Todd and Cathy discuss intrinsic vs extrinsic motivation for kids, and discuss the harm of unachievable success in the documentary The Weight of Gold (about Olympic athletes) and The Go Go’s documentary (about the rise and fall of the band). They also discuss the true and false self, and the “Three Lords of Materialism” (coined by Chögyam Trungpa in his book Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism) and how they relate to our perception of success and motivation.