This conversation is about Saguna and Nirguna, and the paths of meditation and contemplation with form or without form, which is related to the paths of Knowing (Jnana Yoga) and Devotion (Bhakti Yoga). The discussion involves the approaches individually, and how the work together. The recording ends with a 17-minute guided contemplative meditation on either Form or the Formless, which begins at 55:47.