This week instead of an interview we're bringing you the audio from the Zero Books panel "Surplus Value vs. Surplus Enjoyment." The participants in the debate included Vakhtang Gomelauri from Occupy Psychoanalysis, Mia Vallet from CUNY, Douglas Lain from Zero Books, and Ashley Frawley from Zero Books and Swansea University. The moderator for the panel was Pete Dolack author of It's Not Over.

Here's the description of the panel that ran in the Left Forum program.

There are many definitions of "surplus value" on the left, perhaps too many. This debate/panel discussion will take a look at two approaches to the surplus created under capitalism. One version of surplus value comes to us from Marx and his law of value, while the other emerged from Jacques Lacan's return to Freud. What is the relationship between Lacan and his followers psychoanalytic reinterpretation of Marx and Marx's original theory? Can one hold with both Marx and Lacan?