This week, Dan is joined by Bethany Heck. Bethany is the Creative Lead for the Microsoft Power BI team, and also runs Eephus League, where she creates products for sports fans with a focus on beautiful typography.

In this episode, Dan and Bethany discuss the importance of firm criticism, learning to accept that you won't always win (and why that's ok), how Eephus League got started, why “stick to two typefaces” is a rule that you can break, and more.