At Ethereal, I spoke with Austin Griffiths, director of research at Gitcoin and founder of Burner Wallet, and Arjun Bhuptani, cofounder of Connext Network, about how they think about getting everyday usage. In this discussion, Austin talked about how he started Burner Wallet and how he did user testing at bars, and Arjun described Connext, how people are using it now. Plus, they both explain why they're using Dai, how they can compete when a company like Facebook has 2 billion users, and how the uncertain regulatory atmosphere in the US affects the way they work. Omega Institute crypto workshop retreat: https://www.eomega.org/workshops/virtues-of-the-crypto-revolution Thank you to our sponsor! CipherTrace: http://ciphertrace.com/unconfirmed Episode links: Austin Griffith: https://twitter.com/austingriffith Burner Wallet: https://xdai.io Arjun Bhuptani: https://twitter.com/arjun_bhuptani?lang=en Connext Network: http://connext.network Video from Ethereal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkOI7166fmI Hester Peirce speech: https://www.sec.gov/news/speech/peirce-how-we-howey-050919