To understand what’s happening on the border, you have to look at the policies and leaders on both sides of it. So, how has Mexico, under its new president, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, changed its approach to refugees and migrants fleeing north? And how has the Mexican president changed, himself?León Krauze, co-host of Trumpcast, joins What Next, Slate's daily news podcast, to explain. Subscribe to What Next via Apple Podcasts, Spotify, TuneIn, Stitcher, Overcast, Google Play, or iHeart.Podcast production by Mary Wilson, Jayson De Leon, and Anna Martin.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices