Idol Hunter The Evangelical Temple of Doom Volume 2: Idol Hunter The Evangelical Temple of Doom

Far-Reaching gravity of

False Doctrine

As Horace Greeley said, It is impossible to mentally or socially enslave a Bible reading people.  Bible believers will NEVER fit in with a Luciferian New World Order since Christ is our King and the Bible our only creed.  In order to inoculate deceived Catholics from receiving the gospel, high level papists devise a number of mind control techniques including the use of propaganda...

Just as Christians are working out their salvation, the damned are working out their damnation telling and believing lies.  We fear not at a disobedient, rebellious, lawless, crooked generation.  God sees it all.  He formed the eye and planted the ear. He sees and hears IT ALL.  We commit ourselves to Him and occupy until He comes.  At the great judgment day all that is done in darkness shall be exposed to the light.  Hell bounds who are reading this, you need to get right with God...

The Catholic religion calls herself Mother Church.  She’s a mother alright, but she ain’t the mother of Christ’s church.  By calling herself mother she is telling on herself.  She is THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH (Rev. 17:5)! Notice the Catholic religion calls herself a woman.  And what a GREAT WHORE she is committing spiritual fornication with the kings and rulers of the earth.  She’s DRUKEN with the blood of the saints–study the Inquisitions and read Revelation 17 in light of that knowledge.  Oh, even the antichrist is naked in light of God’s word.[i]

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9 And the great dragon was cast out, the old serpent being called the devil, and, Satan; he deceiving the whole inhabitable world was cast out onto the earth, and his cherubs were cast out with him. ° Revelation 12:9HRB

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12 And there is salvation in no other man, for neither is there any other name under Heaven having been given among men by which we must be saved†.  Acts 4:12HRB

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What is the program of the evil one?  His program is deceiving the world save a man.  He has but one agenda, to derail or otherwise impede our path to salvation or away from salvation.  Why?  His sole ambition is kingship over which he does battle with YHWH to cannibalize YHWH’s formed for his own kingdom.  What is the single solitary ordnance in his arsenal?  The evil one has artillery with varying ranges all of which were conceived in deception.  Those which are armor piercing have a coating of secrecy.  They are forged in secret truth that which beckoned Eve, the bedrock substructure of Gnosticism, the axis of convergence in Free Masonry even Shriners. 

We must step back and survey the landscape of the evangelical.  What is the origin of Protestantism?  The ‘Mother Church’ the Holy Roman Empire that marriage of politic and religion, the one world religion was the most powerful principality to ever exist even after having lost 2/3’s by the hand of Elohim it still persists today in Catholicism.  Protestantism is the illegitimate daughter of the Holy Roman Empire.  We must first acknowledge from where we have come the one world religion in which Constantine enveloped all religions pagan, Christian, and Judaism.  Is it possible that Protestantism could be free of its pagan roots? 

The Beast is the antichrist observed as Rome, the Holy Roman Empire, Babylon,

It is not a person but a principality, a figure of an empire, a false religious power.  In II Thessalonians 2 it is depicted as a political power rising out of the Roman Empire and the Church whose purpose is to control the minds and economies of men.  The Beast derived its power from the devil through worship.  Paul writes of the beast which at his writing was the 4th that of the Roman Empire which was being held back preventing the coming of the Antichrist as it would rise up out of the shattered Roman Empire only to be revealed.  The Antichrist is about the business of exalting himself above all that is called Elohim that is worshipped making himself Elohim that sits in the temple of Elohim.  This is to say that the Antichrist will rise up out of the church which is the true Temple from the time of the coming of the Holy Spirit.  The Antichrist presumptuously claims for himself without just cause the power of the Roman Empire while masquerading as the Lamb sitting in the church.  The wicked is to be revealed after the departure of the Roman Empire. 

The Image of the Beast

The picture in the 13th chapter of Revelation is one of a pseudo religious-political organization restoring power to the Roman Empire. Historically such events as are pictured did occur. We have noted above the land grants of Pepin and Charlemagne and the usurpation of the Roman senate by the Vatican. At the conclusion of this period, in the year 800 Pope Leo III crowned Charlemagne emperor of the Romans. This act produced the image of the Empire called the Holy Roman Empire. It became the political framework which would be handed down for over 1000 years. It would dominate European politics and economy until its dissolution under Napoleon. The actual end of the Holy Roman Empire came, in 1804, ironically in Napoleon's assumption of the title of Emperor, without the authority of the Pope. The legal dissolution came in 1806 when the hereditary possessor of the title, Frances II of Austria, (who called Napoleon the new Odoacer) abdicated from the office of Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. This officially ended the entity.

Of this entity, the most well known history was compiled by James Bryce, Fellow, Trinity College, Oxford, first published in 1864, and republished in numberless editions for use in colleges and universities as a standard text. (That is, until our existential age, when the past has no relevance to the moment of existence. Hopefully that nonsense will soon pass). Bryce documents the list and history of the Emperors from Charlemagne to Frances II, all of whom were crowned or confirmed by Papal authority, most in Rome, though they were most often German or French kings. In his introduction to the eighth edition Bryce gives an analysis of the meaning connected with the announcement of the abdication of Frances II in London newspapers, in 1806.

Of those , in 1806, who read in English newspapers that the Emperor Frances II had announced to the Diet his resignation of the imperial crown, there were probably few who reflected that the oldest political institution in the world had come to an end. Yet it was so. The empire...extinguished, was the same which the crafty nephew of Julius [Caesar] had won for himself against the powers of the East, beneath the cliffs of Actium; and which had preserved almost unaltered, through eighteen centuries of time, and through the greatest changes in extent, in power, in character, a title and pretentions from which all meaning had long since departed. Nothing else so directly linked the old world to the new... From the days of Constantine untill late into the middle ages it was, conjointly with the Papacy, the recognized center and head of Christendom, exercising over the minds of men an influence such as its material strength could never have commanded... Strictly speaking, it is from the year 800 A.D. when a king of the Franks was crowned Emperor of the Romans by Pope Leo III that the beginning of the Holy Roman Empire must be dated.[ii]

Bryce continues, noting that there is nothing isolated in history, and the Holy Roman Empire harks back to the Empire before its fall. As he has stated above, the power that dissolved in 1806 is that which was begun by Augustus in 35 B.C. at Actium.

The history of the power of a wounded and seemingly dead Roman Empire being assumed and arrogated to the Papal system, and the Papal system in the name of Rome creating an image to that first political system, called the Holy Roman Empire, is so clearly outlined in history, and then is so clearly outlined in Revelation the thirteenth chapter as to give no room for other application.

It seems strange to me that evangelical Christians have abandoned leaders who have for many centuries outlined these prophecies in more detail and greater precision than we do here. That they would cast away their prophetic heritage for the fantasies that are currently being harked in the name of prophetic fulfillment is frustrating and shocking! Why, when they are so clearly fulfilled, does anyone look for a future fulfillment? Antichrist has long since come. His reign of 1260 years is long since over. He has suffered most of the blows aimed to bring him from his place of arbitrary control of the physical and spiritual lives of men. He has but little time left.

Is it right to call the Papacy a power with the mouth of the Devil? Believe me, dear reader, when I tell you it gives me no joy to do so! Is it right to call the Papal system a whore who rides the power of the Roman Empire? Believe me, dear reader, I cringe at those words as much as you do. I would like to submit the following outline of historical events, that again give me no pleasure, but that enumerate some of wilful sins of those in the list of successors of St. Peter:

The Darkest Period of the Papacy

Adrian II, John VIII, Marinus, 867-884. These popes begin the darkest period of the papacy. 870-1050, called by historians the midnight of the dark Ages. Bribery, corruption, immorality, and bloodshed, make it the darkest period in the church's history.

Sergius III, 904-911 A.D., had a mistress, Marosia. She and her mother Theodora, and her sister, filled the papal chair with their paramours and bastard sons, and turned the papal palace into a den of robbers. This is known in history as the Pornocracy or Rule of Harlots

. John X, 914-928, was brought from Ravenna to Rome and made pope by Theodora (who had also other paramours) for the more convenient gratification of her passions. He was smothered to death by Marosia, who then raised to the papacy her creatures.

Leo VI, 928-9, Stephen VII 929-31, John XI 931 - 936 her own illegitimate son. Another of her sons appointed the four next popes.

John XII, 955-963: a grandson of Morosia was guilty of almost every crime; violated virgins and widows, lived with his father's mistress; made the papal palace a brothel; was killed in the act of adultery by the woman's enraged husband.

The Depths of Papal Degradation

The next six popes, 963-984: (Average 3 1/2 years per pope).

Boniface VII, 984-985, murdered pope John XIV, and maintained himself on the bloodstained Papal throne by distribution of stolen money. The bishop of Orleans referring to Boniface VII and his immediate predecessors called them monsters of guilt reeking in blood and filth; Antichrist sitting in the Temple of God.

Benedict VIII, 1012-1024, bought the office of pope with open bribery or Simony as it was called—after Simon the sorcerer.

John XIX, 1024-1033, bought the papacy; he passed through all the clerical degrees in one day.

Benedict IX, 1033-1045, was made pope as a boy of twelve with money and a powerful family. Surpassed John XII in wickedness; committed murders and adulteries in broad daylight; robbed pilgrims on the graves of martyrs; a hideous criminal, the people drove him out of Rome.

Gregory VI, 1045-1046, had two rival popes: Benedict IX, and Sylvester III. Rome swarmed with hired assassins; the virtue of pilgrims was violated; the churches desecrated with bloodshed.

Clement II, 1046-1047, was appointed pope by Holy Roman Emperor, Henry III because no Roman clergyman could be found who was free from bribery and fornication.

Damascus II, 1048: protests at the continued filth, called for reform and found a leader in the following pope:

Hildebrand or Gregory VII, 1073-1085: although moral reforms were effected, the consolidation of power under Hildebrand was so strong that the next two hundred years are marked by a new evil—that of going to war by papal armies. Armed force maintained several of the popes. Many of the next popes would be driven into exile by armies when they found their own forces overcome! In the previous period one would be justified in calling the Papacy a whore. In this period, 1073 and the next 200 years, the most evident characteristics of the two horned beast using the image of the beast are so evident as to be unmistakable.

Following that period, the Inquisition would follow as the Papal instrument of political power and many poor souls of simple believers would die under this inhuman instrument of the vicar of Christ.[Halley, Henry H.; Pocket Bible Handbook Pub. by Halley, Chicago, eighteenth edition, 1948. Above is a condensation of material found on pgs. 683-685.]

The above scheme copied from H.H. Halley an evangelical, could be reproduced from the pages of Roman historians as well. The Papacy is not ignorant of this history. Malachi Martin, who is still a member of the Roman church, was a member of the Vatican under John XXIII. He is more than a priest. In his book The Decline and Fall of the Roman Church, he gives similar history with greater detail. He calls Morosia, The Nymph who made popes. [See Martin, Malachi; The Decline and Fall of the Roman Church; Pub. Putnam, 1981, in hard cover and by Bantam, 1983, in mass market paper. The book is now out of print and none are available from either publisher, even though I was told there was still demand for the book. Another book by the same author, The Final Conclave, is a historical novel predicting a scenario in which a conclave of Cardinals will fail to produce a pope. It is recommended reading.]

This same history of moral and political corruption is more briefly but accurately recorded by Butler, another Roman author, who wrote an account of the Vatican Council 1869 - 1870. This book has an Imprimateur and a Nihil Obstat which means that Roman authorities had declared the book has no doctrinal errors.

He says: In 1044 the condition of the Papacy had become so scandalous that the emperor Henry III intervened...[to lift the Papacy] out of its state of prostration and degradation in which it had lain for well nigh two hundred years. [Butler, Dom Cuthbert; The Vatican Council 1869 - 1870; Newman Press, Maryland, 1962. pg. 12.]

Butler also gives the history of the Donation of Constantine, a fraudulent set of decrees which were knowing used by the Papacy to justify holding temporal power. Butler says:

it was believed that the first Christian emperor had, in the plenitude of his power, handed over to the Pope...the power to rule over Italy, the Islands, and in a vague way all the West. It was on the strength of the Donation that the Popes gave authority for the Norman invasions of England and of Ireland, and many similar assignments of territory. [Ibid. pg. 17.]

It gives me no pleasure to have to call these events from the past. But the Papal system has not repented. There are still the same stains of blood, money manipulation, alleged assassinations, and political intrigue which causes the sufferings of countless victims, done in the name of Christ. Yes, it is historically right to call the Papal system a whore. Yes, it is historically correct to see the Papal system as a political power that looks like Jesus and talks like the devil. At least one Papal insider sees the same thing.[iii]

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The Number 666

The number 666 obviously refers to the name Roman. The text says so. It is the name of the beast.

But why is the beast named in a mystery code? Answer: The Roman Empire fulfilled the prophecies concerning its persecution of the woman, (Rev. 12), and, make war with the saints and overcome them, (Rev.13:7). The Roman Empire waged ten official persecutions against the church for almost 300 years. These were legally sanctioned by the senate and carried out under the Roman legal system. The Christians were tortured, whipped, burned, torn apart, beheaded, thrown to lions, and crucified by official Roman authority according to law, for three centuries. Pastors were killed, Bibles confiscated and burned, church buildings destroyed, and the flocks scattered.

How much worse might the Roman persecutors have been if they found their nation named by name as a beast in the Holy writings of those they persecuted? The conditions were bad enough without adding more fuel to the fire. So God couched the name in a mystery. He called the fourth beast 666, so no one could know it except the mind that has wisdom. The first three beasts of Daniel are named by name in the Bible. The fourth beast of Daniel ought to be named in the Bible. He is; his (It would would be more accurate to refer to the beast as It or She since in Greek, the word beast is a neuter gender noun, while in Hebrew the word beast is a femine gender noun) name is 666. Did the early Christians so understand it? They should have. They read the book of Daniel and could count and know that Rome was the fourth Empire to come on the earth. They could see in Daniel that it would pass away by being divided into ten kingdoms and Antichrist would rise among the ten kingdoms of a divided Roman Empire. See this understanding in II Thess. 2, which is commonly understood to refer to the same Antichrist as the other passages. In this passage Paul is correcting an impression that the second coming of Christ was imminent. It was not imminent, and he was telling them why. First, though, he says that the source of the misunderstanding is not from him:

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II Thessalonians Chapter 2

(1) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, (2) That you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Paul says, no word, letter, nor inference came from him that the second coming was imminent. In fact, he says, it is not. Something that they know about has to happen first:

(3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, This is often, but erroneously, taken to mean that the church must fall away first. But that cannot be so. Paul says below this that the man of sin will come after the falling away. In verse 6 he says, and now you know what holds him back. In verse 7 Paul says, that which is now holding back Antichrist will continue to do so until it be taken out of the way. Paul states here that something that now exists in his time, that they knew about, which when I was yet with you I told you these things, was holding back Antichrist.

If Paul had told them about the fourth beast of Daniel, he would have told them that as long as the Roman empire stands the Antichrist will not come, because it will rise up out of a shattered Roman Empire and then that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, He is to arise out of the church which is the true Temple from the time of the coming of the Holy Spirit to this day; ...shewing himself that he is God. This is the same description as the little horn of Daniel and the lamb-like beast of Rev. 13. He arrogates to himself the power of the Roman Empire but masquerades as the Lamb sitting in the church!

Paul reminds them that he told them and that they know what it is that holds back Antichrist. (5) Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? He does not tell them plainly by name who or what it is even though it is something they both know. (6) And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. He further states that the kind of thing Antichrist will bring is already at work. (7) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: He then repeats that the entity that they both knew about, which they had talked about while he was with them would continue to restrain the coming of Antichrist until he or it was taken away: only he who now restrains will restrain, until he be taken out of the way. Thus Paul knowing the book of Daniel would say: "then after the departure of the Roman Empire, as we all know from Daniel; (8) then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.

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Early Christian Writers

Would it not be interesting to know what early Christians thought about these passages? Writers whose lives overlap the lives of apostles are called Apostolic Fathers. Their writings are fragmentary and few have been preserved. Christian writers who were born after the death of the apostles but before 325 A.D. are called Ante-Nicene Fathers. They wrote before the council of Nicea which marked the triumph of the Christian religion in the empire. Ancient writers who lived after the council of Nicea are called Post-Nicene Fathers. There are many writings which have survived and been preserved from these times.

Irenaeus

Would it not be interesting to see what someone thought about these passages hardly fifty years after they were written, and before they were fulfilled? It is easier to interpret prophecy after its fulfillment. Let us see how Irenaeus did before the fulfillment. We can sympathize with him if he doesn't get it completely right due to not being able to parallel the prophecy with the events of history. But the incredible thing is that the fathers knew the general outline of future events. They, therefore, were not in ignorance, that that day would overtake them as a thief.

(I Thess 5:4) But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Why were they not in darkness? Because they knew that as long as the Roman Empire had not fallen the second coming was not imminent.

Irenaeus was born about 135 and lived into the next century. He wrote a commentary on portions of Daniel and Revelation, especially of the thirteenth chapter and the seventh chapter of Daniel. The epitome of the chapter (XX1) on the Antichrist in his writings begins:

John and Daniel have predicted the dissolution and desolation of the Roman Empire, which shall precede the end of the world,... [See Schaff, Philip, editor; Ante-Nicene Fathers, Pub. Erdmans, Grand Rapids. 1971 The Ante-Nicene and Post Nicene Fathers are considered in the same way as the classical writers. The have been published numberless times. Erdmans has published a multi-volume set well edited. Irenaeus; Against Heresies XXVI,1]

Irenaeus had no difficulty in interpreting Daniel: concerning the ten kings who shall then arise, among whom the empire that now rules the earth shall be partitioned.[Irenaeus, ibid.]

He believed the Roman Empire would pass away and be divided into ten kingdoms, and so it did happen in his future. There was no way for him to know that except through the prophecies. The opinion of those living in the empire was that it would last forever—they called it eternal Rome. But seeing that John and Daniel had predicted the decline and dissolution of the empire into ten kingdoms is not all that Irenaeus saw. He said, It is manifest that he that shall come, he means the little horn, shall slay three of the 10 horns, and subject the remainder to his power. He believed that the coming entity would overcome three and then dominate the other seven states left to a divided Roman Empire.

He calls the power that would rise in the place of the Roman Empire an apostasy, and warns that God, has prepared eternal fire for every kind of apostasy. In quoting Justin Martyr, who lived before Irenaeus, he considers that Satan is the author of apostasy and eternal fire is reserved for all apostasy. This is a remarkable passage in that Irenaeus foresees the division of the Roman Empire as yet to come and sees the Antichrist power rising out of the church, for that is the meaning of apostasy. It refers to an enemy, not from without but one who rises up from within.

A few paragraphs further Irenaeus makes the first known attempt to interpret the number 666. Remember that this is only a short time after Revelation was written. It was also at the time that the Roman Empire was at its zenith—the most peaceful, successful time of the empire. It is the period of the Five Good Emperors or the Pax Romana, when there was no war within the empire and no unsuccessful military action outside the empire for a hundred years.

Irenaeus reminds us that since 666—the name—has not been fulfilled as yet in a coming power, (which he, as most others of the period, thought to be a single man), then it is wise to be cautious in looking around for the right name. These interpreters living before the fall of the Roman empire did not see the anti-christian power that would rise up and persecute true believers for centuries—they understood everything else but the time frame. But they did know that he would rise up in a shattered Roman Empire. They did not have the hindsight we have to see that an anti-christian kingdom did rise up out of the Christian religion and seize the authority of God and man; and with the falsely assumed authority of God and the sword of man, attempt to dominate, and actually dominate, European and world politics for almost 1300 years. [ibid.]

Jerome

Jerome, the translator of the Latin Vulgate Bible, upon which version all later Roman Catholic vernacular translations would be based, including the English Douay version, was born about 340 and died in 420. He lived well into the first of the Barbarian invasions and actually saw his home town on the border of Dalmatia destroyed by the marauding Goths. He, as those preceding, sees the fall of Rome as necessary to the coming of the Antichrist. The events of his later life would have anticipated the event of the fall, and those living just a few years longer, would have seen the fall of the Roman Empire. Of II Thess. he says:

that antichrist shall sit in the temple of God, either at Jerusalem (as some imagine) or in the church (as we more truly judge) showing himself that he is Christ, and the son of God: and unless the Roman Empire be first desolated, and antichrist precede, Christ shall not come. [Newton, Thomas; Dissertations on the Prophecies; in two volumes, tenth edition, London 1804; Vol. II, pgs. 115, 116.]

Just as Chrysostom, others knew the Roman Empire would fall and on its ruins out of the church of Christ, one would rise who would feign himself to be Christ, and seize the power of God and man. What power was it that actually did step into the vacuum of power left by fallen Rome and with the name Roman sit in the church, seize the authority of God and man, then arrogate three states to itself, and dominate the other seven, for hundreds of years? Does the reader need a clearer picture of the past to name the Antichrist? These brethren of the past gave us this clear picture before it happened!

So the obvious question lingers having endured for more than a millennia and a half.  The Beast derives its power from satan as it worships the evil one, the great deceiver.  How is it that we can observe the egregious wickedness of the Papacy from the persecution of the saints to the insurrection even modern day pedophilia and still we turn a blind eye to Catholicism as well as the progeny of Protestantism?

What is our only hope?  The name of YHSWH is the hope of our salvation and there is no other name under heaven by which we might be saved.  Ours is to receive the Word by its daily examination if we are to beat back the myriad of deceptions, the throng of false doctrines, if we are to stave off our destruction, our devouring by the roaring lion we must persist as seekers.  Moreover, we must be idol hunters if we are to be good kings. 

We know both the agenda of satan as well as his solitary method of achieving that agenda.  Knowing this gives we followers a colossal advantage.  When we espouse this knowledge with historical observation we can de-cloak the covert, unhide the hidden, and reveal the concealed.  If we take this approach we assume that when the government any government opens its proverbial mouth they do so to lie as they will invariably do the opposite of what they say.  The same is true of satan as the government is the antithesis of YHWH just as satan.  We know as a result that any celebration, feast, or festivals will be represented by a counterfeit better known as an idol.  Ours is to be about ferreting out the TRUTH if we are going to be able with any level of confidence determine if what we know as christ-mas, easter, st. valentine’s day, good Friday, mardi gras, st. patrick’s day, Halloween, to name a few are counterfeits or holy days established by YHWH. 

There is a most reliable indicator or sign that provides compelling even trustworthy evidence that we have encountered a deception.  I refer to it as the rule or law of the consensus.  This is a natural law or precept that is authenticated by our very lives.  This law is easily corroborated with scripture such as those describing the gate as wide.  What is even more convincing is the solidarity of scripture where we can observe the interaction of Elohim with man over and over again only to conclude that YHWH is never found within the consensus.  If you find yourself standing in a throng of theology, doctrine, or dogma, run for your life, literally. 

If satan can substitute his name for that of YHWH or YHSWH then we are serving him whether we know it or not, which is the nature of deception.  The name of YHWH, the name of YHSWH is the apex of this war of deception all other false doctrine is little more than cannon fodder a ruse of distraction while the counterfeit naming conventions pass by unnoticed and take hold. 

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11 And these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, for they received the Word with all readiness, daily examining the Scriptures if these things are so.  Acts 17:11HRB

Bring me a worm that can comprehend a man, and then I will show you a man that can comprehend the Triune God.  ~John Wesley

All sorts of people are fond of repeating the Christian statement that God is love. But they seem not to notice that the words 'God is love' have no real meaning unless God contains at least two persons. Love is something that one person has for another person. If God was a single person, then before the world was made, He was not love.  ~C.S. Lewis

Anti-Trinity doctrine

Nontrinitarianism is a belief system within the evangelical which rejects the mainstream doctrine of the Trinity.  This doctrine dates back to the 4th century.  This group is rather small including Mormons of whose designation of ‘Christian’ is debatable.  Then there are the Jehovah’s Witnesses and Iglesia Ni Cristo and some Pentecostals among other small denominations.  There are many questions we must ask if we are to arrive or encounter TRUTH.  Are there things we can say about the Father that we cannot say about the Son?  What does YHWH say about Himself?  Are there things we can say about the Son that we cannot about the Father?  Do they ever occupy the same stage in the theater of scripture?  Are there distinctions that can be made about the Holy Spirit especially pertaining to His role in the redemption process?  What or how did the 1st and 2nd century church have to say about this?  How to nontrinitarianists respond or handle obvious narratives in Old as well as the New Testaments? 

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26 And Elohim said, let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;† and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creepers creeping on the earth. ° Genesis 1:26HRB

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Gregory Nyssen has very properly observed that the superiority of man to all other parts of creation is seen in this, that all other creatures are represented as the effect of God’s word, but man is represented as the work of God, according to plan and consideration: Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. See his Works, vol. i., p. 52, c. 3.[iv]

The plurality we encounter in scripture when YHWH speaks of Himself is observed in the phrases ‘let Us’ and ‘Our image’ must be addressed.  Scripture reveals YHWH’s