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Dr Andrew Stein
Consultant Nephrologist, UHCW
Keep up with the fluids
IV Fluids = Drug
Structure of Talk
• Intracellular (28L)
• Extracellular (15L)
• Interstitial (10L)
• Intravascular (5L = 9 Pints)
What is?
• Interstitial space = small, narrow spaces between cells, tissues
or parts of organ
• Oedema = excessive fluid accumulating in interstitial space
• ‘Third space’ =
– Space where fluid does not normally collect in large
amounts
– Small amounts of fluid normally exists in such spaces, and
function as lubricant (pleural fluid)
– But can contain large amounts of fluid (usually ‘hidden’), eg
pleural cavity, pancreatitis, burns, major fractures,
obstruction, peritoneal cavity (ascites, visible). Hence ..
– Patient may be truly hypovolaemic but fluid loss not obvious
Normal maintenance requirements
- Depends on weight. For 70 kg man
Amount/kg/time Amount/day Ideal
Output = 2.5L =
Urine = 1.5L (5 x 300 ml)
Sweat = 0.5L
Lungs + faeces = 0.5L
Increased Water Requirements
• Fever/Sweating. Increase by 100 to 150 mL/day
for each C degree body temperature↑
• Burns
• Tachypnoea
• Surgical drains
• Polyuria
• Gastrointestinal losses (eg vomiting or diarrhoea)
Fluid State Assessment
Severity Clin Pulse BP JVP
(not CVP)
Severe SOB++. Tachyc++ ? V high
Drowsy
Mod SOB+ Tachyc+ ? High
Hypervolaemia Mild N Tachyc N N
Euvolaemia N N N
Hypovolaemia Mild N Tachyc N N
Mod Drowsy Tachyc+ Low (<100 Not seen
systolic)
Severe Unconscious Tachyc++ V low <80) Not seen
Patient = (centrally) ‘wet’, Tachycardia = Acute Problem
‘dry’ or ‘middle’, not 2/3 or 3/3) .. Bradycardia = (Prob) Problem
you have to decide
Contents Available Fluids
Na+ Cl- K+ HCO3- Gluc Notes
Normal pl 135-145 95-105 3.5-5.3 22-26 3.5-7.8
0.9% NaCL 154 154 0 0 0 Not ‘normal’.
pH 5.5
Hartmanns 131 111 5 29 (lactate) 0 Physiological
pH 6.5
5% Dext 0 0 0 0 50g Water
(170 cals)
Dext-Saline 30 30 0 0 40g
4%/0.18%
Gelofusin 154 120 0 0 0 Colloid
• Hartmanns
• Occ N Saline, 2N Saline, Dext-saline
• (Colloids)
• 50% Dext if hypoglycaemic
• Blood
Hartmann’s Solution
• ‘Physiological’:
• Na+ 131 (135-145)
• Cl- 111 (95-105)
• K+ 5 (3.5-5.3)
• HCO3- 29 (22-26) as lactate
• Good as a plasma replacement fluid, esp post-op
• Complications
• 1930s. American paediatrician Alexis Hartmann for treating
acidosis
Sydney Ringer (1834-1910)
and Alexis Hartmann (1898-1964)
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.
1981.tb08698.x/pdf
Colloid
• Eg gelofusin, albumin
• Given to keep fluid in intravascular space
• Not inert (like crystalloids)
• Complications
• Not recommended by NICE (CG174)
Blood
• Packed cells (300 ml) vs whole blood (450-500 ml)
• Remember humans have a 3L blood volume
• Replacement (Emergency, ie bleeding)
• Do not wait for blood. Give anything eg 0.9% Saline
• Whole blood (stat)
• O negative if necessary
• Maintenance – packed cells, 2h
• Does ‘maintenance blood transfusion’ exist
• Consider FRUS ‘cover’ (NB: normal dose, if creat >200,
give 80 mg)
• Check K+ if necessary
Acutely Hypotensive Patient
• What is hypotension
• What is normal BP
• Needs IV fluids (usually). Rarely FRUS!
• Anything (physiological (or colloid) or blood)
• ‘Fluid challenge’ = 250-500 ml/15 min then re-assess
• If little/no response (feels better, BP, UO), call reg ±
ICU. As either
• Is patient bleeding? .. don’t just give more fluids
• Needs an operation?
• If not, ICU/inotropes?
Maintenance Fluids
• Is water
• Given instead of pure water (maintenance)
• No role as a replacement fluid (plasma or blood), as not
physiological
• If can drink, give water orally (or by NG if cannot)
• Not sugar and not a food
• Complications
Dextrose Saline – 4%/0.18%
• Na+ 30 mmol/L
• Cl- 30 mmol/L
• Good maintenance fluid
• No role as a replacement fluid as not physiological
Where Do IV Fluids Go?
• Na
• 0.9% NaCl → Na ↑
• 5% Dext → Na ↓
• K
• Hartmanns, Blood → K↑
• Acid/base
• 0.9% NaCl → pH ↓
Special Situations