Surya Das and fellow spiritual and meditation teacher, Sally Kempton discuss the merging of the paths of devotion (Bhakti) and wisdom (Jnana) and how they've discovered the true inseparability of the two paths within their own lives. They illuminate on the topics of earnestness in our post-modern secular world, Tantra, meditation practice, the concept of altruistic enlightenment, and their respective Buddhist/Hindu lineages. Surya Das and Sally's conversation also explores how we balance the surrendering to grace that comes with walking the spiritual path, while also living in the world of "effort, energy and motivation." For more on Sally Kempton, please visit her website.