A Study Into The Mystery of The Two Witnesses Discussed in Revelations Chapter 11.

by Nicole Jackson on Wednesday, April 11, 2012 at 5:42am

Sonny 2 Nicole: Nicole, have you given any thought as to who the 2 witnesses are in Revelation 11?

STUDY 1:

Nicole Jackson: to be honest I have to read it again before I can answer that question.. what I have put more thought into is Rev. 13... I am interpreting it as China taking over as the superpower nation.... not anything I'm very keen on... I get an uncomfortable feeling when thinking about what the power shift will mean...

Sonny Eanes: Nicole, I myself felt at one time that it could be China. But when you go back and read Daniel 2 it starts making more sense. The 4 kingdoms that Daniel describes to Nebuchudnezer are Babylon, Medo Persia, Greece and Rome. THe first 3 have already fallen and when Rome fell it was revived in the Catholic Church. This became the socio economic, religious and political Mystery Babylon. It would be allowed a certain time to reign, which was 2520 years. This is covered in Daniel 4 where this empire is to rule. The 7 times in verse 16 = 2520 years. A time = 360 years. Daniel 7 and 8 get into the beast that will arise during the reign of this empire and will control it. In the book of Obadiah it gives the description of who this beast is. The beast is the desecendants of Esau Edom that have persecuted the Israelites since Esau sold his birthright to Jacob, thus relenting all claims that he had to Isaacs blessings that Jacob gained. The book of Daniel and Revelation tie together. Thsi is what the false prophets today will not preach. They are expecting future fulfillment of Daniel. In Daniel 12:9 God tells Daniel that the words of the book are sealed up till the time of the end. We are in the times of the end now and these words have been unsealed for about 250 years. The two nicknames of Esau, Edom and Seir, are both obvious in meaning and have to do with Esau's looks (red and hairy). Now back in Daniel 2:44 "And IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS shall the God of heaven SET UP A KINGDOM, which shall never be destroyed:" In the days of these kings? What kings? THe kings of these 4 empires. God will set up a kingdom? The kingdom of God? Does that mean that the kingdom of God has been on this earth for the last 2520 years? To me and many scholars that is exactly what it says. So when did God set up this kingdom. If we look at Exodus 19, this is a description of when God set up His kingdom on this earth. But what about the 4 kingdoms? Babylon was already a world power, so was Athens, Greece(which was founded by Israelites, descendants of Judah through the twin son Zerah) also Rome was in existence as well as the Medo Persian empire. But when you read Exodus 19-24, you will begin to understand that Gods laws were the basis for the kingdom and that the people confirmed what they were to do in Ex 24:7 "24:7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people:

and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient." The Israelites were trained for 40 years on kingdom duties and orgasnization which is covered in Leviticus and Numbers and their duties are reiterated in Deuteronomy, as well as their punishments.

I know you will have a lot of questions from what I just wrote and I will be hear to help you if you need me.

Sonny Eanes: Now if Esau means red and the descendants of Esau Edom are the Ashkanaz jews of today, and that they are the creators of Communism(Marx, Engels & the Rothschilds) which now control the socio economic, religious and political of the Babylonian Economic System, does this begin to make a little more sense?

Nicole Jackson: Ahhh... I haven't even touched the book of daniel... I have homework....

Sonny Eanes: lol

Sonny Eanes: If the "7 years" tribulation that judeo churchianity is always talking about is actually 7 years(or times) of 360 years each equaling 2520 years, where does that put us now? Leviticus 26 goes into detail about the 7 times punishments that the Israelites would go through.

Nicole Jackson: I'm still confused about sin only being for the Isrealites.. I think that's what you said... so what about the rest of humanity... I was under the impression we were all born into ignorance & the debt of original sin?

Sonny Eanes: God's law was only given to Israel. Israel is the only one that the law applies to. Ex 19-24. Israel was to become a kingdom of priests to bring the benefits of the law to the rest of the world. "For the Law inflicts punishment; but where no Law exists, there can be no violation of Law."Romans 4:15

Sonny Eanes: In Ex 19 and 24 the Israelites accepted the covenant and it became binding on them and their descendants only. The punishments for violating the law also became binding on them only. God's law goes all the way back to Adam and whinning you follow the line down to Abraham, hat line were the only ones following the law. Mt Sinai was the first time the law was codified. So Israel has the responsibility of bringing God's law to the other races.

Nicole Jackson: You wrote that as if Isreal has yet to follow through on their responsibility.....

Sonny Eanes: That will be when the kingdom of God will be brought to full restoration at the return of Jesus. Revelation 21-22. After kings David and Solomon, the kingdom of Israel began to diminish. God split the kingdom into 2 nations, the 10 tribed house of Israel and the 3 tribed house of Judah. In 721BC God divorced the 10 tribed house of Israel because of adultery, idolatry and breaking the covenant. Through their 2520 years of punishment they would become the great nation and multitude of nations as promised to Ephraim and Manasseh along with all of the other promises. The house of Judah was to occupy Jerusalem until Jesus was born and crucified. In 70 AD when Rome destroyed Jerusalem it was never to be rebuilt by the Israelites. However the book of Obadiah describes it being rebuilt by Esau's descendants only to be destroyed in the end by God. Until that time that area is to be a thorn to all nations. During the last 2520 +- years Israel has been being cleansed of their idolatry and sinfulness. I realize that sounds strange when we see all of the sin around us in the multitude of nations that Ephraim has become, this also includes the other 12 tribes. But remember the other day when I commented not all of the blind eyes will be opened, not all will accept the truth? Ezekiel 37 and the 2 witnesses

Nicole Jackson: I do remember.. and now I am going to get busy with my homework... why don't they teach these things in church? Isn't that the purpose of church? I never was a church goer... I believe God is everywhere & in everything at all times...

Sonny Eanes: Nicole, the founders of this nation, Pilgrims, Quakers, Amish and other Christians in the early years of this country were beginning to have the blinders removed. The 2520 years of punishment was beginning to end. approximately 1699. Then false prophets started coming in with things like the rapture, judaizing the Scriptures and more false prophets. Nowadays most "christians" have no idea what the truth is. They listen to their preacher instead of studying to "prove all things."

Nicole Jackson: OHhhh... well, I'm studying.... thankyou for all your help.. I'm sure once I get these books and chapters read I will have more questions...

Nicole Jackson: I have a question... with 700 billion people how am I supposed to figure out who 2 witnesses are.. unless it's something simple,... like the Greater & Lesser Lights? I need a better clue.....

Matthew Baker: One of the interpretations is that they relate to John himself and a holy spirit, imagine it like those movie see-your-future thing.

Sonny Eanes: Clue #1-- Zechariah 4:14

Nicole Jackson: My head is going in so many directions from these truth's ... questions smoking... oh my lol.... what is the pope & vatican doing spreading the message all humanity at this point is bound by the laws & punishments... and what about all the rituals so many are participating in such as baptism... so it seems unless you are Isreali or of Isreali descendant up until the second coming the rest of humanity is blameless?? Forgiven possibly for one is forgiven for what they do in ignorance?? Up to a certain point... I read something about as long as you did not carry the mark of the beast on a hand or forehead... I also read something in revelations about beheaded- which I'm not done reading.. I can't read at night.. no-one will let me lol....

Nicole Jackson ^^^ the mark of the beast question came from what I was reading in rev chapter 20:4... a cross reference from the 2 witnesses.. a distraction... a more relevent to this discussion question is: aren't we all somehow descendants of Isreal?

Nicole Jackson: off work now.. have a couple hours to catch up on reading before my house gets loud and crazy...

Nicole Jackson & some of our discussion is where my family history comes in because the schwenkfeldian exiles founded the new jerusalem and created the church of Philadelphia.. which is the nation. This nation.. The New World... Jesus comes back to judge the nations...

Nicole Jackson: The 2 witnesses must be Angels

Sonny Eanes: Are we all descendants of Israel? When the northern house of Israel was taken into captivity 729-706 BC, 2 Kings 17:6, 18:9-12, Sennacherib also took all of the cities of the southern house of Judah which included Judah, Benjamin and Levi, 2 Kings 18:13, ALL EXCEPT the city of Jerusalem, 2 Kings 19:32-34. It has been estimated there were over 10 million(yes 10 million) Israelites taken into Assyria FROM ALL 13 TRIBES. They were placed in northern Assyria between the Black and the Caspian seas, just south of the Caucasus Mtns Range. In the book of Hosea, is the story of God divorcing the house of Israel. Israel is to become wanderers, forget who their God is, where they came from, who they were, and be called by new names. When Babylon attacked Assyria, the Israelites escaped through the Caucasus Mtns and as far as the name Israelite, totally lost.(this is where 95% of the preachers and Christians totally loose them.) A little over a year later a new race of people suddenly appeared, north of these mountains, they are known as Caucasians. From 600+-BC-1300AD you have many new names of the Caucasians - Saki, Saccae, Saks, Danoi, Germani, Scythians, Cimmerians, Sarmatians, Tuatha de Dannan, Scoloti, Scots, Angles, Norseman, Jutes, Normans, Saxons, just to name a few. Only the Anglo Saxon, Germanic, Icelandic, Scandinavian and kindred peoples are the descendants of the Israelites. There were actually 2 different waves of Israelites. The one from the Caucasus Mtns went north then west and settled all of northern and western Europe to the isles of the sea(British Isles). The other wave started before the Exodus from Egypt settling both sides of the Mediterranean, up the Atlantic coast Spain, Portugal, France, Ireland, England. This was all happening even during the time of kings David and Solomon.

Nicole Jackson: sorry... I forgot about the divorced part lol...

Nicole Jackson: all caught up on my reading except the book of daniel.. but I looked and it's not very long, I will have it read bysunday...

Sonny Eanes 2 witnesses Clue #2. Isaiah 43:10

Nicole Jackson: you were right with Ezekial 37 & 38, things make better sense that it seems we are where we are in prohesy......

Nicole Jackson: prophesy*

Nicole Jackson: So.. 2 witnesses anoited as high priests.. sacrifice themselve's by prophesy.. for the greater good... lay dead in the streets for 2 days while gaukers cheer at their death's because of the fear in them it stirred until rising again to be able to open the heavens... and I just read clue number 2... but have to go back to it really quick so I can remember the thought I was having lol.. something about Angels again.....

Nicole Jackson: Oh, I know... they were chosen all along... but I would like to take that a step further and say, they volunteered for what needs to be done.

Nicole Jackson: So.. I guess the bottom line & most important message in these times is.. it will never be too soon to start preparing oneself with the necessary spiritual work.... because when the time is the time.... it will be time....

Sonny Eanes: If possible, spend some time studying Deuteronomy 28. Compare the entire chapter to what is happening in America today.

Nicole Jackson: So the prophesies passing, are just a cleansing of the path for His return.. so we can live under God bound by God's laws (ie) after the fall of the house of Esau Edom which has placed us in servitude under man's law... these are exciting times to hold love in your heart & not fear because as the material world as we know it falls away & illusions of what was are unveiled, the true and most beautiful experience of life will awaken to reality Beautiful

Sonny Eanes: That is why I continue posting statements like I just made on my wall. Trying to get the people I know to wake up. And those I don't know. There is a reason Jesus told his disciples to "go only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Nicole Jackson: The 2 witnesses.. are they the 2 Cherubim of the Ark of the Covenant?

Sonny Eanes: No, but I will get back on that later today. :)

Nicole Jackson & I take it there is a major difference between curses & punishments aren't there?

Nicole Jackson: actually in reading Deuteronomy 28, it sure does sound like that is exactly where we are at in prophesy.. governed by Eugenics & on the brink of war with of fierce countenance which shall not regard the perosn of the old, nor shew favor to the young.... a nation

Nicole Jackson: with a nation* of fierce.... stupid smart phone, it would be nice if it let me see what I was typing....

Nicole Jackson: so we are subject to these things/ curses of Egypt until more prophesies pass from not observing the laws of the Lord... which we are not bound by yet because we are waiting on Isreal?

Sonny Eanes: I think actually that the curses and the punishments are the same thing. They both happen to Israel because of their not being obedient to God's laws, Exodus 19-24, Leviticus 11, 18-27, Deuteronomy 5-28. Some of the curses already came upon the Israelites when they were taken captive by Assyria. The same curses are coming on regathered Israel today in America and Britain. When a person understands who they are, even if they have been in church for years, and begins to follow Christs command to be obedient to the law we are bound by the law, because of the oath that our Israelite forefathers made at Mt Sinai. However we are not bound by the blood sacrifices, Ordinances, because we have been redeemed by the blood of Jesus.

Sonny Eanes: Back to Revelation. If, as some contend, the events beginning with the 4th chapter were to take place many centuries after John's day, then Revelation becomes a sealed book until the end. Daniel was told to seal the sayings of his book until the Time of the End, but that is not so regarding Revelation which John was told to seal not, for the time is at hand. Revelation is an open account of happenings, and not only as these happenings apply to the Church, for it is also a painstaking preview of human history during the entire Christian Dispensation as it affected the Church, the Kingdom(where regathered Israel is) and the ushering in of the New Order of the Ages.(the Kingdom of God NOT the NWO.)

Sonny Eanes: The 7 churches were chosen as representatives of 7 stages, or divisions, in the history of Christianity. Each Church thus represents one phase of ecclesiastical activity from the Apostolic time to the end of the age. The order in which each Church is addressed is also the chronological order of historical fulfillment.

Sonny Eanes: In Revelation 1:19, John is told to write, first, "the things which thou hast seen" (past). Thus John is to go back to the beginning of the Christian Dispensation and record the events that antedate the time of this revelation. "The things which are"(present day) This would include the current happenings at the time he received this admonition to write. "The things which shall be hereafter." (future) He is to record the future and the events of that future as they shall be revealed unto him in the scenes he is about to behold.

Nicole Jackson: John the Baptist & Paul... I am thinking about all this deeply.. very deeply related to deep seeded personal interests in the passage of present time & for the future...

Nicole Jackson: Today I read Daniel chapter 1, about the interpretation of dreams and the king? Calling forth magicians & astrologers & the 4 nations... were they really eunich's or is that a symbolization of the 4 nations being divorced from the Lord? Today what I was reading just seems to correlate with what you said about Rev 1:19....

Sonny Eanes: The 7 Churches

Ephesus -30-64 AD -This Church, meaning desirable, represents the early apostolic period.

Smyrna -64-313 AD -This Church, signifying bitterness and trial, represents the age of persecution.

Pergamos -313-529 AD-This Church, meaning height or elevation, was freed from persecution and Christianity became popular under Constantine. This resulted in apostasy and worldliness. Constantine the Great saw that the dreadful persecution of the Church increased in strength for "the blood of martyrs is the seed of the Church.

Thyatira -529-1529 AD -This Church, meaning a sweet savor, an acceptable offering, represents the period during which time the Papacy came to power. She calls herself a prophetess, teaching and seducing God's people.

Sardis -1529-1789 AD -This is the Church of the Dark Ages which was spiritually dead, for a great apostasy had spread over all Christendom. Sardis meant a remnant, an escaped few.

Philadelphia -1789-1914 AD -This Church, meaning brotherly love, represents the missionary spirit and enterprise of the 19th and early 20th centuries. It is the resurrected period of revived spirituality in Christendom.

Laodicieans -1914-the End of the Age -This is the Church of the present day. Laodicea means justice, or judgment, for upon them comes the end of the age and judgment. This Church is neither hot NPR cold. One of the great truths of the present day is the restoration of Israel and the awakening to her identity and responsibility. Blind to these truths and in opposition to Scriptural teachings regarding the Kingdom, the Church is failing to recognize God's plan and purpose concerning His people.

Sonny Eanes *nor

Sonny Eanes: They were really eunichs.

Nicole Jackson: http://www.gwyneddmeeting.org/history/jenkinschapter18.htm in regards to the beginnings of the church of philadelphia..

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Sonny Eanes: very interesting. Are those your ancestors?

Sonny Eanes: Oh, back on the 7 Churches, each has pre-eminently marked with its characteristics the particular stage in history of which it was to be a type. All 7 Churches will be active throughout the entire Christian age.

Nicole Jackson: Well.. with a full line of movers and shakers backing us up maybe somehow the idea will stay revived & alive lol...

Sonny Eanes: I think that the idea will stay alive. I feel certain that God's Righteous Remnant probably numbers in the millions worldwide.

Nicole Jackson: throughout the entire christian age.. that sounds like a marker for another prophesy...

Nicole Jackson & it's still leading into who the 2 witnesses are....

Sonny Eanes: I figured it would be easier for you to understand if I started at chapter 1 because from chapter 5-11 it will all come together. Just keep in mind too that during the 2520 years of Israel's punishment, the Christian Dispensation has been going on for the last 1990 years of it.

Sonny Eanes: From approximately 1699-1900 America became the richest and greatest nation in history. Read over the blessings in Deuteronomy 28:1-14. Something to think about.

Sonny Eanes: One of the sources of reading and study materials I have used for about 20 years is Destiny Publishers. I think it is listed as www.destinypublishers.com

Howard Rand is the primary author and one of the most learned men on the truth of the Scriptures that I know of. He was not only a Hebrew and Greek scholar but also a man of vast historical knowledge. Historical knowledge from centuries ago that has been hidden from the people today.

Destiny Publishers

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Nicole Jackson: I was just reading Christ's messages to the churches and rev. 3: 7-12 is historically significant & 13-17 seems to describe that the blessings of dueteronomy 28:1-14 has eventually led to the need of repentance because as America grew into the richest nation we have been seperated from our true selve's & our true relation with God by being dependant on a system of men & not God?

Sonny Eanes: Very, very true. You are becoming very observent.

Sonny Eanes: In chapters 4 & 5 John is projected into the future and into the midst of the Kingdom and its surroundings. The 4 beasts are the 12 tribes of Israel surrounding the throne. see Numbers 2.

The Lamb having prevailed, takes the book(the sealed book of Daniel?) from the hand of Him that sat on the throne. John is now granted the privilege of watching the breaking of the seals, becoming an eyewitness to national, international and world activities. Much of what John saw has since become history, the events of which have amply verified in every detail the exactness of the revelation seen by him.

Sonny Eanes: In chapter 6, the seals depict the history of the Roman Empire, beginning with its establishment under the rule of the Caesars. They show the decline of Imperial Rome, the rise of the Papacy, the coming into power of modern dictators and close with the events of the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord and the triumph of the King and His Kingdom. Beginning with the rise of Imperial Rome the seals cover also the history of the last half of the Times of the Gentiles, which had its inception with Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, and which ended with WW1, 1914-1918. The time involved extends beyond the close of the Times of the Gentiles to the end of the age.

Nicole Jackson: Numbers 2, the arrangement of the camp.. seems to discuss the tribes in the 4 corners of the earth? Am I interpreting that as I should... lots of numbers... numbers confuse me...

Nicole Jackson: So here we sit... waiting for the final blow before things get really interesting... I have wondered many times about this particular spot... we also seem to be at the perfect spot for a well thought out staged end times event... that's all speculation though.. but I will say 9/11 was my wake up call... my call to start paying close attention to national, international, and world events... & much of what I feel is such a mass of world, international, and national deceptions... that as the house of esau edom continues down it's destructive path it really will come down to who can survive the rest of the wars the best... getting back to their roots, learning to live by the grace of God for your needs, undependant of the system of illusion... is that what is meant be the church of philadelphia holds the key to the house of David?

Nicole Jackson: Meant by*

Nicole Jackson: the Kingdom of God was set up & God's laws were the basis of that kingdom.... So... The Holy Bible IS the law of the land!!!

Nicole Jackson: BUT!!! The Kingdom must be restored, which we are in the process of... I vote for the Kingdom of God 2012

Nicole Jackson: I just finished Daniel & reread your 1st comment... much better sense.. picture is starting to come together now...

Sonny Eanes: The First Seal-31 BC to 64 AD, The White Horse--The establishment of the ROman Empire is generally dated from the battle of Actium, 31 BC. This began the imperial reigh of Octavius under the title of Emperor and Augustus. The Second Seal-64 to 313AD, The Red Horse--The red horse signifies tyranny, misrule, and bloodshed. The earth is the ROman world and in the killing of one aanother is indicated the internal strife and slaughter of her citizens. The years of turmoil and persecution from the time of Nero to the edict of Milan, under Constantine. The Third Seal-313-396 AD, The Black Horse--The black horse represents despair or calamity overshadowing the empire whose strength rests in its army. Destruction of life and property and in the confiscatory taxes and heavy tribute laid upon its citizens, bringing the people to a state of despair.

Nicole Jackson: Why do you write ROman that way.. I'm pretty sure there is a specific reason for that.. & does the last horse cover the span of 2520 years?

Sonny Eanes: The Fourth Seal-396 to 536 AD, The Pale Horse--The color signifies the decadance of the Roman Empire and of its military power. The period of the activity of this rider upon the pale horse begins with the great barbaric invasion of the Roman Empire under Alaric the Goth, Attila the Hun, and Geneseric the Vandal and extends to the time when the Church Council at Constantinople, AD 536, compelled the state to execute its edicts. This began the end of the Roman Empire and the rise of the Papacy(the little horn of Daniel)

Nicole Jackson: oh, sorry for interrupting.. oops..

Sonny Eanes: The Fifth Seal, 536to 1755-96 AD--Thus began the rule of the Papacy, for a 1260 year period.

Sonny Eanes: The Sixth Seal, 1755-96 to 194? AD--The description of events that John saw in this sixth seal are not only symbolice, but set forth the literal as well. The opening of the first three seals depicts emperors riding the horses, while the fourth bseal shows a personage named Death in the saddle. The fifth seald describes the results of the ride of death but when the sixth seal is opened John saw the coming of judgement upon men because of their misrule and because of their evil agression.

Sonny Eanes: No, Nicole, it was just a typo and I didnt notice it...lol

Nicole Jackson: oh okay, lol... I've seen other people do that when talking about things like the HRE... which was neigther H nor R nor E.. lol....

Sonny Eanes: In chapter 7 we have four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the 4 winds of tghe earth. The earth is the Roman world and here we see four mighty angels holding the winds of war that coquest and devastation might not interfer with the westward march of Israel. Remember they had passed through the Caucasus Mtns and were headed north and west through the wilderness(Europe) headed to the appointed place(the isles of the sea-Britain) to begin regathering.

Nicole Jackson: I remember...

Sonny Eanes: Verses 4-8 tell the number to be sealed and list the tribes, but there are only 12 tribes mentioned instead of 13. Where is the tribe of Dan? They are not listed. Why? In the book of Judges 5:17, Deborah asked the question, "Why did Dan remain in ships?" She didn't understand and in fact was disturbed because Dan did not come to the help of Israel. History however gives the answer, for with Dan remaining in his ships, this tribe passed out through the Gates of Hercules(Gibraltar) centuries before Israel reached the critical period in her trek west, as described by John. At the time the twelve tribes were being numbered against interference by Rome, of by the judgements that were about to come upon the Empire, Dan was already hidden in the Isles far beyond the power of Rome to interfere, or her later downfall to affect this tribe. It is speculated that this numbering took place possibly 500-600 AD.

Nicole Jackson "A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hiddeth himself... but the simple pass on, and are punished" Proverbs 22:3

Sonny Eanes: Just keep in min Nicole, most of the book of Revelation has already taken place. The best i figure we are sitting right now in Chapter 17 and almost ready for chapter 18 and the sound of the 7th trumpet.

Nicole Jackson: yep.. I came to that conclusion yesterday after considering some things...

Sonny Eanes: It is a fact of history in the annals of Irish literature, that the Tuatha de Dannan, tribe of Dan, was settling in Britain at the time of King David and Solomon, that they sailed the Mediterranean with the descendants of Zerah, the twin of Pharez, the sons of Judah. Also that they sailed with the Phoenicians, and that the Phoenicians were actally Hebrews and were the Israelites coustins.

Sonny Eanes: http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/diaspora.html

The Real Diaspora www.ensignmessage.com

A CRYPTIC INTRODUCTION IS GIVEN BY THE APOSTLE JAMES IN HIS EPISTLE, WHICH BEGI.NS WITH THE WORDS, "JAMES, A SERVANT OF GOD AND OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, TO THE TWELVE TRIBES WHICH ARE SCATTERED ABROAD, GREETING." Who were these 'twelve tribes' scattered abroad? Biblical commentaries often plead i...See More by copying & pasting link to url.

Sonny Eanes: People today do not realize that a lot of the peoples that fought with the Romans were actually Israelites but were being called by new names. Example, the Goths, the Vandals, the Lombards, the Sacca, Saki, Scythians, were all names that the Israelites were called. Remember Jeremiah 51:20--"Thou art my battle axe and weapons of war: for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms;"

Nicole Jackson: Chapter 17 sounds like it's talking about the UN/ Nato forces.....

Nicole Jackson: Or the vatican...

Sonny Eanes: Check this link out i just found. ... http://anglo-saxonisrael.com/site/node/192 (copy & paste into url.)

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Nicole Jackson: Sonny, Nice Find!!... & almost right away it confirmed what I was thinking about chapter 17... I love synchronicity lol...

Sonny Eanes: Nicole, I hope you have a way to copy this post and possibly print it out for further reference.

Sonny Eanes: Most of what I have been sharing with you comes from Howard Rand Study in Revelation and Study in Daniel.

Nicole Jackson: Funny you say that... I am in the process of just that lol...

Nicole Jackson: Maybe who the 2 witnesses are someones I shouldn't want to know.. except to recognize them as the Angels they will be when they get here.. and pray all things are prepared as good as they can be...

Sonny Eanes: Nicole, the 2 witnesses are,,,,,,the house of Israel and the house of Judah.

Sonny Eanes The Two Witnesses are The Old Testament and the New Testament (the two lampstands shining the light of Gods truth) as revealed by the publication of the Little Book. The embodiment of the Two Witnesses comes in the form of the Two Houses of Israel and Judah (the two olive trees), the true bearers of Gods Word, not the Catholic Church.

Sonny Eanes: Feeling its muscles, the Papacy organized the Crusades, 1095-1291. The religious power had thus become a military power. Then, it persecuted the Cathars (also known as the Albigenses) from 1209-1255 because they also refused to follow Catholic dogma. The year 1229 marked the beginning of the Inquisition as decreed at the Council of Toulouse. Rain in the Old Testament figuratively represents the teaching of Gods word. But since the Two Witnesses are trying to teach Gods word, this rain here must be a reference to the false teachings of the Papacy (infallibility, God on earth, Vicar of Christ, etc.) The rain (reign, play on words) of Popery as it is mockingly called -suddenly stops with the continuous teaching from the Two Witnesses. The Europeans no longer take Popery seriously. It has become a joke.

Sonny Eanes: After the deadly conflicts of the Reformation, with a temporary victory for the reformers, a new and even more deadly virus is to appear even more deadly than Popery!!!! This is the beginning of the era of communistic Revolution, in which Christianity is attacked from all sides even by clerics from within --and with various ideologies from anarchism to Zionism. The beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit is Jewish finance capitalism (the old State Within a State), which arose out of the chaos of this period. It was Napoleon who liberated the Jews and enabled them to re-institute their corrosive economic, religious and social practices on an international scale. The Pandoras Box of Jewish deception, intrigue and war-mongering was opened upon an unsuspecting world. The House of Rothschild arose like a serpent during the Napoleonic Wars due to their ability to finance one nation against another.

Sonny Eanes: These wars and revolutions decimated the churches and the monarchies of Europe. The angel of the bottomless pit crawled out of its 1,000 year captivity in hell. It led to the formation of the 8 th Beast, the House of Rothschild. The Two Witnesses will then be confronted with the so-called Age of Enlightenment. Europe, disenchanted with both religion and monarchy, turned toward Reason as the new God, the new aim of life. Skeptical philosophy, science, machines, gadgets and new diversions captivated the bourgeoisie while larceny and licentiousness captivated the Jewish mind. Popery found itself completely out of touch, but not dead.

Sonny Eanes: According to Rand, the 1260 days of Verse 3 are counted from 657-1917, Vatalians dictate of the Latin Mass to the liberation of Jerusalem from the Turks by General Allenby in 1917. Another good guess would be the familiar 529-1789 period of holding back the Jewish State Within a State until the French Revolution. The third alternative, as I suggest, is the second half of the 2520 divorce period, 516-1776, and the Declaration of Independence. All three interpretations fall within the period of the Second Woe. The dead bodies of the Two Witnesses represent the Two Houses of Judah and Israel lying prostrate before its two new oppressors: Judaism and Secularism (allegoricallySodom and Egypt). Sodom was a Canaanite city of the Baal-worshippers who later became known as Jews and Egypt was our slavemaster. Every time we try to rise up, these two oppressors find a new way to push us back to the ground.

Nicole Jackson: OOhhh!!!! LOL!!!... I feel so silly now hahaha... that went right over my head... big picture coming together very nicely . I must have been in my literal mind on that chapter lol....

Sonny Eanes: This verse may also be a reference to the church of Laodicea, the Lukewarm Church of modern Christianity. These Christians will have Bibles on their coffee tables as ornaments which they never read. The dead bodies of the Old and New Testaments will be lying right in the open but unheeded, and certainly not understood.

Nicole Jackson: Oh boy... that's alot of information to process.. and I'm pretty sure I have some major questions brewing but can't put them in words yet... I'll come back to em

Nicole Jackson: I have heard that reference before about the church of Laodicea... maybe from my dad.. but that's not the first time I've heard it... anyway...questions.. the communistic revolution (which some people believe died with Hitler) but I feel otherwise. The Communist Manifesto lays it all out quite clearly & the changes were supposed to take place so no-one really noticed.. except oops... I noticed.. I think because it affected my child on a very personal level in the schools & that event awakened a beast in me so to speak.. I can take a lot.. but screw with a mama bear, gonna get bit eventually... however, I don't think communism can go as far as it did in the 40's, even if there may be a government preparing for it... 2 many gun owners.... I guess that's why they pay scientists so much to keep playing with deadly diseases as we bomb other nations for resources we don't really need if only if only we could have some integrity in government to allow us to thrive by releasing the suppressed & oppressed technologies... eh... at least we are near the end of revelations & not the beginning... we are almost there... exciting times 1st Corinthians Chapter 13... replace the word charity with Love & it makes much better sense..

Sonny Eanes: Very good. When you really take a long hard look at Communism, you begin to realize that it is totally a Ashkanaz jewish concept. If I remember correctly it was either Mayer Amschel Rothschild or his son that commissioned Karl Marx, jew, to write the Communist Manifesto along with Engles. ALL of the leaders of the Bolshevik Revolution; Lenin, Trotsky, Strelnikov, Stalin, JP Morgan, John D Rockefeller; were jews or worked as bankers for

the Rothschilds. The John Birch Society knew all of this back in the 60's. Nikita Khrushchev stated in the early 60's that the US would not readily accept Communism, but that little by little the 10 planks would be legislated into law and that they(Communistic Zionism) would surround us until we fell like an over ripe grapefruit into their(jews) hands. Communism and Zionism are the same. Russia is still run by the jews.

Nicole Jackson: So the only way they can do all this is through covert means. Poisoning the water, food, medicine... government indoctrination through the public school system & even through church services... a scheme so massive it would escape the perception of most people.....

Nicole Jackson: I was talking to my husband about all this stuff when something dawned on me... about the beast.. & the mark of the beast... I'm almost positive that whenever the Bible mentions the beast.. it could be talking about money. & in that regard I was also thinking about gambling.. in gambling a bet is called a mark. A Federal Reserve Note is a bet that someone is going to make money off of it.. but how would they keep track of the notes... the numbers in red on the frn... the mark of the beast... what do you think?

Nicole Jackson: http://americanfreepress.net/?p=2743 Rothchild's want Irans Bank. There are only 3 countries left in the world without a Rothchild's bank since 9/11. Cuba, North Korea, and Iran. I do not believe in coincidences.

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Nicole, the following is taken from Study in Daniel by Howard Rand, in discussing the events of Daniel 2..."Daniel informed the King that as he was lying upon his bed he was thinking of the future and of what would come to pass. He who reveals mysteries disclosed to the King in his dream what was to happen in the latter days. In revealing the vision to Daniel the dream had been doubled so, under t...he requirements of the Law of the Lord, the double witness made it absoultely certain that the events to which the vision testified would transpire according to the intrepretation. This is proved in many other instances recorded in the Scriptures. When Joseph stood before Pharaoh to interpret his 2 dreams he said, "They are one," and later added: "And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice, it is because the thing is established by God, and God will surely bring it to pass." Gen 41:32 This is an important factor often overlooked by many in the study of God's dealing with men and nations. Under the Law of the Lord, in the weighing of evidence we are told: "One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: AT THE MOUTH OF TWO WITNESSES, OR AT THE MOUTH OF THREE WITNESS. SHALL THE MATTER BE ESTABLISHED." Deuteronomy 19:15 Thus, more than one witness is essential to establish the truth and certainty of a matter under consideration. There are many other cases in Scripture which prove this to be so. The book of Jonah, Judges 6:36-39. Two angels testifying to the fact of Jesus resurrection, two men at the ascension standing by the disciples."

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Nicole Jackson: i just had a conversation with a good friend of mine a couple weeks ago byabout every word, truth shall be established by two+ witnesses lol..

Sonny Eanes: other examples; Ephraim to become a multitude of Nations, Manasseh to become a Great Nation, Jeremiah taking Zedakiah's daughters and fleeing Jersualem with God's blessing after the murder of Zedakiah's 2 sons(heirs) and Zedakiah's death.(continuation of the throne of David), multiple times the Promise that David's descendants(plural, and generaly plural means more than one) would ALWAYS rule over the house of Israel and the house of Judah,,,before the throne is given to Yahshua.

Nicole Jackson: is there something I'm missing about the state of our current events?

Sonny Eanes: What do you mean?

Nicole Jackson: Oh sorry.. I was thinking out loud.. I was thinking about all the high profile arrests taking place & how things could change & then your post just kind of fit into things in that synchronicical way things happen lol...

Nicole Jackson: My world view.. sometimes is so vast I need to reel it in a bit.. gives my nerves a work over in a sense...

Nicole Jackson & I'm trying to put it together with what we can expect according to scripture we are waiting for the passage of.. we are closer to things than I imagined we would be in my lifetime...

Sonny Eanes: exactly,,,the beast, the mark of the beast, the image of the beast, the false prophet...are here and have been here on this earth for many centuries. "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in." Romans 11:25 ... The 7 year tribulation, totally misunderstood by 95% of judeo churchianity.

Sonny Eanes: God sent them i.nto captivity for a period of 7 times punishment. 95% of preachers and seminaries teach that this 7 times is a period of 7 years and this is where they come up with the 7 years of tribulation that they think is in the Bible. In actuality, a time is equated with a period of 360 years; a day for a year-360 degrees in a circle equated with the 360+- days of the lunar year. So 360 years x 7 times equal a period of 2520 years of punishment. This began in approx 749BC when the tribe of Manasseh of the house of Israel was taken into the Assyrian Captivity, ending approx 716BC with the rest of the house of Israel being taken into Captivity and also all of the house of Judah EXCEPT for the fenced city of Jerusalem. 2 Kings 18:13

Nicole Jackson: Oh My! I just did the math and if it's right the punishments period ended around the year 1771, in which we then entered the period of the judgements? 1771- present day.

Sonny Eanes: And Mystery Babylon began to fall in 1929

Nicole Jackson: Right around the same time our central bank was instituted & our republic undermined for a democracy... which is at a cross roads right now....

Nicole Jackson: So... my only conclusion is soon there will be new currency issued & new governance but still by men still in bed with the beast.. so 2 speak? So in other words... I shouldn't get too excited about these high profile arrest things or the promises (sort of) that is being spoken of because it's all still part of prophesy playing out? Geesh, no wonder this stuff is enough to give people anxiety attacks... lol...

Nicole Jackson: The false prophet that wrought miracles before him.. revelations 19:20 with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image.... oh Holy... sumthin.

Nicole Jackson: Such Clarity & Confusion! all at the same time.... what are we supposed to do?

Nicole Jackson: Oh, I know. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by law, you are fallen from grace. Galatians 5:4. So all we need to do is watch for prophesies to pass (which is our current events), waiting for Christ's return... and the True Israel can bring us our Law? The Kingdom of God.

Sonny Eanes: In Revelation, the beast represents the Roman Empire in its many phases of activity. Babylon, that Great City, symbolically designates the political, religious and economic phases of human misrule. The name Babylon identifies man's system which is in opposition to the administration of the system of God. The religious phase of this Babylonian system, under the name of "mysteries," is represented by the Woman who carries this label on her forehead and directs the policy of the revived Roman Empire as she rides the beast.

Sonny Eanes: Would you agree that the Bible and religion is a "Mystery" to most people in the world? In America?

Sonny Eanes: How about the economic system? The FED? Money? Fractional Reserve Banking? Are they mysteries to most everyone?

Sonny Eanes: Man's desire under our present economic system has been to possess wealth, power and authority and the acquiring of gold, or its equivalent, represents all this. Just as the "Mysteries" of Babylon designate ecclesiastical worship, so too the Image of Gold set up by Nebuchadnezzar on the plains of Dura is the object of worship in the commercial life of man.

Sonny Eanes: "Image of the beast" ... Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, ... Daniel 3:1 ... Everyone worshipped it, except Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. The image of gold was the head of the first beast, of the First of the 4 beasts of Daniel 7, Babylon, Medo Persia, Greece and Rome. The worship of the "image of the beast" continued throughout the succession of these 4 empires. Military Imperial Rome fell but was revived by the Papacy building on the socieoeconomics of all 4 and riding them with ecclesiastical power.

Sonny Eanes: For 2520 years this system has enslaved men. Its followers have suffered and died in their reverence and worship of gold.

Sonny Eanes: "Mark of the beast" ... There are many kinds of marks. The branding and marking of cattle show ownership and in that sense the mark is used here. The right hand represents all manual labor while the forehead is emblematical of mental and intellectual work. Whether rich or poor, men must labor with brawn or brain in order to acquire money, the possession of which in some one of its many forms is necessary in order to buy and sell. When the entire desire and energy of a man, either in his mental or physical labors, is to acquire money and with that as the goal of his life such a one has received the mark of the beast. Such men have a price and are subject to bribery. If the inducement is sufficient they would well their own souls to acquire the wealth that this beast can give, for they are his, having received his mark.

Sonny Eanes: 666 ... It is the numerics of the system of man in opposition to the system of God. Gold is the foundation on which rests the image of the beast, which image is the financial or monetary system, the image of the commercial activities of Babylon.

Sonny Eanes: Now, what if,,,what if all of what I have explained to you is true, that all of chapters 1-17 have already come to pass? By taking God at His Word and bringing Daniel and Revelation together and looking at history from Nebuchadnezzar through Rome through the Papacy, where does that put us today? Is modern ChristianDUMB still so blind, so built on false teachings that they can't see the light of day, so intent on bringing the Revelation to come to pass that they invent a 7 year tribulation, an anti Christ, a mark of the beast, Armageddon in the Mideast and a rapture that is totally unscriptural?

Sonny Eanes: What if,,,the next event to occur,,,is the Resurrection?

Nicole Jackson All I know about that is I have the first few minutes reserved for shock & awe... then after that... well, have 2 cross that bridge when we get there... denial is not an option

Continued Study From Note Revelation 11, 2 witnesses, with link to previous note for reference
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STUDY 3:Jesus came for one reason. He came to REDEEM the LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL. "5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the LOST sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 10:5,6 ... "23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Se...nd her away; for she crieth after us. 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the LOST sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 15:23,24 ... "For the Son of man is come to save that which was LOST." Matthew 18:11 If you have problems with that then you better discuss it with God. The false prophets of judeo christianity are not telling the truth as the Bible tells it.

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Trina Mitchell Warlick I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd. John 10:16 would you mind to elaborate a little on what this person is saying? i am just a little curious. thnx!

Trina Mitchell Warlick btw i am not looking for a debate or anything i just like to hear everyone's theories on the Children of Israel. thank you very much for your time! Nicole Jackson I need my 'teacher' to answer that.... & you are welcome, that's how we learn.... Nicole Jackson I messaged him.. should be on later... Nicole Jackson I wonder if whom John is talking about is the 13th tribe of Israel... the tribe that foresaw the evil & hid themselve's on the sea? Idk.. I am very curious about this too... Trina Mitchell Warlick Well i do know that there are ot scriptures that prophesy about gentiles and that in nt there are verses that say the gentiles have citizenship with the children of israel in the Jerusalem that comes down from heaven but i wasnt for sure if that is what the post you shared was trying to get at or not. All that i know is that there is something wrong with things taught by people like john hagee who refuse to preach the gospel to the Jews. so we know that he has a more political false agenda. Most Christians believe the same type of things that hagee teaches about israel and that there will be a secret rapture of the church before Christ returns but the scary thing about that is 2thess says the antichrist is revealed before Christ returns. Pretty weird things have been taught that are definitely not scriptural. Trina Mitchell Warlick But like i said i would really rather not debate anything on it because i am little confused with it myself. That is why i was so curious about what he was talking about seeing that it was a completely different idea than what i usually hear. And is usually not quite scriptural. But thank you regardless lol. Nicole Jackson Have you been to my page recently. There is a conversation with 114 comments about who the 2 witnesses in Revelations 11 are. Actually if you read everything Sonny & I have discussed it should catch you up to speed of things I'm beginning to understand.... Nicole Jackson Read that conversation first, then work your way to the most recent post Sonny put on my page... yesterday, about Daniel.. Nicole Jackson no debating here.. strickly teaching eachother & learning here.. once you start debating in my opinion it closes lines of communication because everyone gets caught up in trying to prove their own point in order to keep believing as they do...

Trina Mitchell Warlickthank you i will check it out later. we have bible study at 7 and i have been messing around not getting stuff done again lol. thnx!

Sonny Eanes ok Trina, you have asked several questions and i will do my best to help you understand. In 1 Kings 12 after the death of King Solomon, God divided the Kingdom of Israel into two nations, the 10 tribed northern house of Israel and the 3 tribed house of Judah

Sonny Eanes The 3 tribed house of Judah was made up of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and part of Levi. Jeroboam, of the tribe of Ephraim, became king of the northern house of Israel. Rehoboam, Solomon's son, continued the Davidic line over Judah. Immediately the house of Israel erected 2 golden calves to worship. Of courae they were violating God's law. Sonny Eanes This continued for approximately 200+- years and God kept pleading with them to return to Him. They didn't so in 749 BC they began being taken into Capitivity by Assyria. The different invasions ran form 749-706 BC until all of the 10 tribed house of Israel ALONG WITH all of the house of judah, except for the fenced city of Jerusalem. They were deported into northern Assyria in the area just south of the Black and Caspian sea. God Divorced Israel, and she was tp be punished for a period of 7 times. The book of Hosea explains the divorce, the casting away and scattering of the house of Israel. Sonny Eanes Also in Amos 9:8-9, "8 Behold, the eyes of the Lord GOD are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth; saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, saith the LORD. 9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth." Sonny Eanes So they were to be scattered throughout the whole world. They are called "lost sheep" in Hosea, Joel, Amos and the New Testament. They have NEVER returned to the middle east and are still "lost" to 90% of Christianity Sonny Eanes Trina, this book will really help you as you are searching for Truth. It completely follows the Scriptures and helps to open the Bible to you. ... http://www.giveshare.org/ israel/judah/JUDAH'S SCEPTRE www.giveshare.orgAn Analysis of the Prophecies of the Scriptures in regard to the Royal Family of Judah and the Many Nations of Israel, the Lost Ten Tribes

Sonny Eanes Nicole, "John talking about the 13th tribe"? Nicole Jackson John 10:16.. trina asked if I minded to elaborate on what this person was saying.. I was guessing... wondering lol... not doing anything that I can go to a bible for reference... thanks for your help! Sonny Eanes John 10:14-16, verse 14 Jesus is talking about the remnant of the tribe of Benjamin, who lived in Galilee and were called Gallieans, also the Levites and the Judahite's who were still of pure bloodline. Verse 16 Jesus was talking about the 13 tribes that were scattered abroad, the cities throughout Asia minor, the total area that lost Israel was placed in the Assyrian Capitivity, also those that we're scattered along the coastlines of the Mediterranean, those in Rome, all the way to Spain, Ireland and Britain. Nicole Jackson You had a post the other day about ascension.. what was that about again? Sonny Eanes That was in reference to the 2 or 3 witnesses. The 2 men standing there telling the disciples that Yashewa would return the same way he ascended into heaven. Nicole Jackson Ooohhh.... so I should look to the north then lol? Sonny Eanes lol Sonny Eanes not sure what direction, but from what I understand "where Christ was crucified" would be to the east for Jerusalem is in the east. Jesus left earth from the Mount of Olives and rose up into the clouds in the sky to ascend to heaven. Jesus will return to the Mount of Olives in the same way as He left, returning in the clouds from heaven. Acts 1:9-11, Zechariah 14:4 Nicole Jackson Awsome Sonny Eanes What most of christianity doesnt understand is that when Rome sacked and destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD, Jerusalem was never to be rebuilt by Israel. The temple was never to be re erected there. Jerusalem will be in the kingdom and the Kingdom is whereever God's people Israel are in the appointed place. However the rebuilding of Jerusalem, by the descendants of Esau Edom, is prophesied several times. Malachi 1:4, and the book of Obadiah Nicole Jackson Jerusalem will be in the kingdom and the kingdom is wherever God's people Isreal are- in the appointed place? Where is that? Sonny Eanes The USA Nicole Jackson K.. I just wanted to make sure I knew that lol... Nicole Jackson The Church of Philadelphia established the New Jerusalem. Sonny Eanes Ephraim was the head of the house of Israel, which also included those of the house of Judah that were taken into Assyria. This took place as they were wandering through the wilderness to reach the Isles of the Sea, Britain, Scotland and Ireland. Their king had gone on before them. Micah 2:13 So when Ephraim and the others got there their king was already there when Jeremiah took the King's daughter to Ireland(see Part 2 Cha. 7 in Judah's Sceptre) Ephraim was to become a Multitude of Nations. The USA is made up of 50 seperate states, countries or nations. Sonny Eanes I dont think so.

Nicole Jackson Let me explain my thinking... the church of philadelphia is the nation in the new world of america.. a republic made up of 50 seperate states, countries, or nation... maybe I'm just confused about ephraim/ church of philadelphia... Nicole Jackson I get it now... lol.. Sonny Eanes The further that you get into that book, the more TRUTH you will see. Nicole Jackson Truth... has become my only agenda. Thank-you for your guidance .... it's funny how it's so easy to navigate the lies & the darkness... but to explore the Truth & the Light, another guiding heart is needed Sonny Eanes Very true. Sonny Eanes Oh that study in Daniel, most all of it came from Howard Rand written back in 1943. Rand was not only an Israel truth believer but also was a Historian, that is how he is so able to tie in the past history with the Bible. It is really sad that when you mention history to most "christians" they say that secular history cannot be trusted. And they leave that "wealth of information" that would tie it all together, hidden. Sonny Eanes What has happened to your friend Trina, i think that was ther name? Nicole Jackson I don't know... maybe she is observing? I have heard of Howard Rand before too... my dad may have studied his work as well... he was really into studying scripture as well... Nicole Jackson Three things that can not stay hidden forever: The Sun, The Moon, & The TRUTH Sonny Eanes Did i give you the link to Destiny Publishers ... http://www.destinypublishers.com/ This is the bookstore and that he set up before he passed.Destiny Publishers www.destinypublishers.comDestiny Publishers has made books and other literature available which supply the requirements of those who wish to make a diligent study of the Scriptures and develop a keener perception and knowledge of the significance of the march of events today.

Nicole Jackson actually... it looks like Trina deactivated her account... Nicole Jackson Chapter 5 is really confusing.. thank goodness the author takes some time to simplify things so I get it, sort of... maybe it will make more sense as I read on.. Sonny Eanes Confusing?? Nicole Jackson Page 4 is where I get confused.. all the way up to page 5 where the author asks if you see the point.. which is not really... I read the words, but am not comprehending the point...but then its starts to make sense again on page 6.. Sonny Eanes If it is in ch. 5, I have the hardback so those pages don't mean anything. Nicole Jackson Oh, lol... I think I maybe figured it out... its so confusing to me because of my previous misguided understanding that Jews & Israelites were one in the same? But they never were, are, or will be... otherwise the prophesies would conflict? Sonny Eanes Very good. You might read that chapter a couple of times till it is totally clear. That difference is the biggest stumbling block that people have in relearning. Nicole Jackson The House of Judah (Jew) is head of 3 tribes.. Whereas The House of Israel is head of the 10 tribed nation- which was divorced because Jeroboam caused Israel to sin against God for worshipping golden calves? Sonny Eanes Just remember, the term jew only applied to the southern kingdom -the house of Judah, NEVER to the northern house of Israel. In fact today, there are probably zero TRUe Judahite's in Israe-LIE. http://www.jrbooksonline.com/Intl_Jew_full_version/ijtoc_.htm

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Daniel 7--Without single exception, every student of Scripture who has approached the study of Chapter 7 has assumed that the vision of these four beasts was merely a repetition of the vision of the four kingdoms Nebuchadnezzar saw in his dream, the meaning of which was so clearly intrepreted by Daniel. But the Prophet himself recognized the impossibility of interpreting this vision in the same t...erms that applied to the image seen by Nebuchadnezzar. The four beasts of Daniel's vision arose from among the people and would therefore stand for human systems as opposed to God's system. The natures of the beasts symnbolize the results to follow the establishment of a purely human economy, together with man's political and ecclesiastical phases of activity, These have all engendered evil in the earth, established oppression, devoured men and destroyed their substance. In Revelation John declares that in the economic systems of man will be found the blood of the prophets, of saints and of all that were slain upon the earth(Rev. 18:24)

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Sonny EanesIt represents a system whose roots go back to Babylon itself. This system is not only shown as operating during the final phase of Roman activity, but it had its inception in the days of Babylon and carried on during the days of the succeding World Empires. There are 3 main channels of human activity in organized society. They are the political, the economic and the religious systems. The first deals with the government and its administration. The second with the exchange of labor and goods and provides for the needs and comforts of life. The third deals with man's spiritual life and his desire to know and understand that which is beyond his physical vision and the evidence of his physical senses. Just as there is a true and righteous system of government, of economics and of a spiritual relationship between man and his God, so to, there is the counterfeit of all three represented in maladministration, economic oppression and spiritual superstitution which control men and shape their destinies in a world out of touch with God and in which men have failed to harmonize their actions and plans in accord with God's purposes. The result is discontent, hardship and sorrow. It is of the counterfeit world activities that John speaks in Revelation, and upon which he declares judgement is to come.

Nicole Jackson & the unrest a person feels while awakening to these Truth's.. is normal in the process of learning Who We Are?

Sonny EanesMaybe we can keep this post going for a bit and get some interaction with other friends that are at the point of waking up. :)

Nicole JacksonExactly why I'm leaving our discussions posted.. my awakening was like: I see a light at the end of a tunnel.. wait.. nope... its a freight train lol

Sonny EanesAnd you are just at the beginning of the rabbit hole!

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Sonny EanesIt is these man made systems that Daniel saw in vision as he was shown the beastly destructiveness of their operations growing and increasing in power as the ages pass by. The lion-like phase of human organization, as represented in the political, economic and religious systems of men, rose in Babylon. Nebuchadnezzar established the Gold Standard which became the object of worship for all who aspired to become great in the humanly-established world economy. The Chaldean Mysteries furnished the pattern of man-made and man-controlled religious systems. How aptly all this is depicted in the description of the lion with the wings of the eagle! Men proposed to give to their economy the strength of the king of beasts, and to their ecclesiastical pomp and ceremony the wings of an eagle to soar up to heaven, but it was impossible to attain to such strength and spiritual heights. Furthermore, instead of a lion with wings, the system turned out to be a beast that stood up like a man and had the heart of a man. Thus possessing only the wisdom of man, the systems established could not attain to true greatness since their foundation was laid in human frailty and weakness. Lacking Divine wisdom, these systems of man brought only oppression and tyranny to mankind. And this we can see happening today.

Nicole JacksonIt's a consistant attack on one's inner being.

Nicole JacksonSee... most people think these things are just astrological symbols... but pictures is a universal language.. right?

Nicole JacksonLike the lion winged beast...

Nicole JacksonGod's Story (His-tory) is told in the stars.. in pictures... thinking cap on.... the 12 zodiac signs moving around the lion (man) winged beast.. (which is representative of our systems)... could actually be representative of the Banners of the 12 Lost & Scattered Tribes of Israel?

Sonny EanesCorrect. The banner, standard, of each tribe was a Zodiac sign of the 12 major constellations. I used to know which one was which. Judah -Leo, Reuben -Aquarius, Dan- Scorpio, Ephraim- Taurus.

Sonny EanesWith the rise of Medo-Persia to power the three manifestations of human maladministration became more pronounced. The bear represents a more aggressive phase in the political, economic and religious life of the people and this is expressed in the statement commanding the bear to "arise, devour much flesh." The three ribs, or as translated by Ferrar Fenton, the three tusks in its mouth among its teeth represent the three main systems of human endeavour --political, economic and religious --which have devoured much flesh in the form of oppression which follows in their wake. In a footnote in The Companion Bible, under "three ribs," the statement is made that the interpretations given of the meaning of these ribs are diversified and conflicting. It is clear that the reason for those conflicting interpretations is the failure of Bible students to establish a correct premise concerning the meaning of the four beasts. If, as students in the past have represented, the four beasts are merely emblems of the Babylonian Succession of Empires, there could be nothing but conflicting opinions as to what the three ribs represented. But, when it is really recognized that these beasts of prey represented the three main systems of human endeavor, the crushing effect of the tusks in the mouth of the bear become quite clear.

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Nicole JacksonUndoubtably Clear

Nicole Jacksonhttp:// www.americaisraelprophecy.c om/ about_the_four_banners.html About The Four Banners.About the Four Banners www.americaisraelprophecy.comA Bible prophecy study about America and Israel taken from allegories and shadows found in the Bible.

Sonny EanesI just checked that site out and he is pretty correct. There were 2 or 3 things in there that I didn't agree with from what I have learned. However, beware of the rest of the site. Best I can tell is that preacher teaches that the jews are God's chosen. So I personally wouldn't trust what he says.

Nicole JacksonThe banners was the only thing I looked at... it looked pretty close to what you are explaining to me..

Nicole JacksonI'm reading chapter 2 of Judah's Sceptre now..

Nicole JacksonOkay.. now I need to let that chapter sink in.... but I think I have a good understanding.. it just needs to sink totally before I move on to chapter 3.

Nicole JacksonSo... now that I'm clear on the banners... The church of philadelphia was not a nation... that was representative of a time period? and Ephraim is the nation with 50 seperate state, countries nations?? am I getting warmer?

Sonny EanesBut then at one time, the British Commonwealth had colonies worldwide. The old saying "The sun never sets on the British Commonwealth." But as America grew and expanded Britain began losing colonies.

Sonny EanesAlso Isaiah 18 describes America.

Nicole JacksonPrinting Judah's Sceptre... I like physical copies... never kinow when or if we may get a direct hit from a solar storm....

Sonny EanesBack to Daniel...To the rending power of the bear was added the swiftness and treacherous cunning of the leopard, a development in the human economy, as well as in superstitious ecclesiasticism, which began to become more pronounced during the time of the Grecian Empire, with which period that beast was associated. But with the rise of Rome to power the political, economic and religious phases of human activity took on a more sitister aspect, as evidenced in the terribleness of the fourth beast seen and described by Daniel in his vision.

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Sonny EanesIt is not at all surprising that Daniel was unable to comprehend the full significance of much of what he beheld, for until the political, economic and religious aspects of the Babylonian system became fully maingested in all their evil and oppression, he had nothing by which he could guage the significance of what was shown to him. We can now understand why the Lord told this prophet that many of his visions were sealed and could not be made kn own until the Time of the End. Imperial Rome had to come into being, for during its rule, and the rule of the Papacy, the terrible aspects of the power of the fourth beast would be manifested.

Sonny EanesThe power established over all mankind in the extension throughout the whole earth of human political, economic and religious domination has been immensely increased in the last few centuries through the enthronement of money, the establishment of usury(interest), the greed of commerce and the religious superstitions of men. Millions have gone to untimely deaths because of the oppression of our present world economy and, as men slave to serve Mammon, many have lost their health and become broken in body and spirit. The fearful beast seen by Daniel and described by John is truly devouring many victims and stamping the rest with its feet as men struggle to survive political oppression, economic oblivion and religious domination and superstition.

Sonny EanesIt is unnecessary to go into detail, having now established the identity of these four beasts, for the student can readily recognize that the fourth and most ferocious beast clearly represents the modern worldwide establishment of the godless activities of man.

Sonny EanesThe ten horns represent subdivisions in the Roman Empire. The little horn that arose among the ten, which was diversiified from them, pulling up three, is none other than Justinian at the head of the Eastern Roman Empire at Constantinople. History reveals that he subdued three of the ten kingdoms which were established in the Roman Empire after the fall of Imperial Rome. In the eyes and the mouth that appear in this little horn we have a new power associated with the rule of the little horn, In fact. this power becomes the eyes and mouth of the civil and economic activities of the government represented in the little horn. Justinian, as head of the civil government, and the Pope, as the head of the Church, uniuted their interests and Church and State became one. Finally the Pope became the dictator of both Church and State and ruled as a great politico-ecclestical potentate. One needs but read the utterances of past Popes to recognize the fulfillment of speaking 'great words against the most High' as prophesied by Daniel.

Sonny EanesHistory amply verifies the prophecy of this horn speaking magniloquent words. The pompous and bombastical utterances of the heads of the Church of Rome amply reveal the identity of the little horn.

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Sonny EanesThe beast that was slain is the same beast that received the deadly wound described by John in Revelation, which was revived under the Papacy but finally destroyed when, as a result of the Reformation, the power of the Popes rapidly declined. With the Reformation the final period, or time , began, during which the system of man continued its great powers, through the authority and rule of the Roman Empire, both temporal and ecclesiastical, had passed away. During this prophetic 'day' of 360 years the modern banking system came into being, while collection of interest was legalized and made an integral part of the economic system. Gambling counters(stock exchanges)were installed and food, clothing and other necessities , as well as luxuries, became the stock in trade of those who "played the market.' By 1933 AD the judgement process was cleaarly evident in the passing of the gold standard, and one 'hour' later, by 1948 , unsolvable economic problems were in the ascendancy. THis is the day of judgement and the next event on the agenda is the scene so graphically depicted by Daniel and John, who saw the coming of the Son of Man in power and great glory.

Nicole JacksonThat brings us to the end of the period of The Church of Philadelphia.. & now we are in the time period of The Church of Laodicea.. where people are neither hot nor cold in faith, & understanding- or desire to understand... So far God's Word has proven itself worthy... so I wonder... what makes people think the rest of God's word won't pass also?

Tami McCormickIn regard to the comment about Jews being the chosen people of God...Well, maybe or maybe not, but in this world they seem to think that they are...Jews seem run almost everything. Like the movie industry, corporate america, etc. AND they give little and take much. It's all about me, me, me with them. On the other end of the spectrum it is the Arabs (Muck-Mucks) too. Just my personal observation and opinion. AND what Sonny has explained makes perfect sense to me what is really going on all around us.

Nicole JacksonTammy... part 1 of Judah's Sceptre explains how the House of Judah (Jews) lost their standing as God's Chosen...

Tami McCormickOkay.

Nicole JacksonIn a nutshell... they first sinned against God by Baalism & worship of the false idol- gold.... then, they committed the offense of denying Christ as the messiah... & continued on with the heinous act of Christ's crucifiction.. which resulted in Christ judging the House of Judah as unworthy to be God's chosen people... until the day of Christ's return where in John 10:16? Christ explains that he has other sheep that he will need also to bring into the Kingdom of God... this is how I understand it thus far... I am beginning to read part 2 of Judah's Sceptre as we speak..

Tami McCormickSounds just like any Jew I know or have ever encountered.

Nicole Jacksonwe have all forgotten our history.. and we have all been lied to about our history... it is a good time to re- learn it you are more than welcome to join our studies...

Nicole JacksonAlso you should be aware there is a major difference between an actual Jew... and a Zionist- that calls themselve's a Jew.. and therein that little fact is where many of our problems exist... & it is related to the fact the Esau gave up his birthright to Jacob.... renamed himself Edom? The House of Esau Edom was never supposed to be rebuilt due to the handing over of his birthright.... zionism was born of this house that is not supposed to be... pretty sure.. need to clarify with Sonny..

Sonny EanesThank you Tami. I have been studying this subject for almost 30 years and I am still learning how much I don't know. Keep this in mind, 90% of the jews in the world today are of descendants of Ashkanaz, son of Gomer, son of Japheth. Genesis 10:2-4 They are from the ancient kingdom of Khazaria in eastern Europe, they adopted judaism as their religion 700's AD. The Thirteenth Tribe by Arthur Koestler tells their history. ... http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htmThe Thirteenth Tribe www.biblebelievers.org.au Jewish author, Arthur Koestler has published a 255 page book titled THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE which proves the Eastern European Jews are NOT related to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob Sonny EanesAs far as Esau, he first married 2 Hittite women, heathen, Genesis 28:34-35. His descendants continued marrying heathen, Hittite, Cannanite, Jebusite until they were no longer pure blood Hebrew. Remember, Esau was a Hebrew he and Jacob were brothers, but because Jacob beguiled Esau for the Birthright and the Blessing, the hatred of Esau, genesis 27:41,42, of Jacob continues on to this day with Esau's descendants, the Edomite Ashkanaz Khazar jews. They today are trying to retake the Birthright and the Blessings from the descendants of Jacob, the Israelites.

Sonny EanesAnd as far as the Arabs, the Muslims, they are not our enemy. Zionisms goal is to exterminate them. How? By pitting the descendants of Jacob, the Israelites, (Anglo Saxon, Germanic, Icelandic, Scandinavian and kindred people) against the descendants of Ishmael; Arabs, Muslims, and let them destroy each other while the Rothschild banks reap all of the war profits from both sides.

Sonny EanesNicole, did I share this link with you. ... http://www.homeworship101.com/holy_days_calendar.htm Biblical New Moon & Holy Day Dates - Home Worship101 www.homeworship101.com Online calendar of the Biblical Holy Days and New Moons Days.

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