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It's 8pm. Time for #ukedchat with @janwebb21 discussing 'How will schools develop ICT curriculum ready for disapplication of pos?' #ukedchat how will Ofsted judge schools own criteria? Safety says stick with the current stuff. There is no same old, same old with ICT. We change every year anyway #ukedchat RT @ukedchat: It's 8pm. Time for #ukedchat discussing 'How will schools develop ICT curriculum ready for disapplication of pos?' A colleague at Cranfield University has requested information on any schools that are using i-pads in classrooms? Please retweet #ukedchat @moreolives soooooo true - and not like any other subject! #ukedchat Gove (bless him) talks about an open source approach and a wiki curriculum. More bazaar than cathedral. More agile than waterfall. #ukedchat My concern is that an open source curriculum is an excuse to teach nothing. #ukedchat @janwebb21 will put more Scratch in at KS3 now though. So can develop programming skills over next few years.#ukedchat @timjlittle 'broad and balanced' will be key. Aim for something better than the '99 or '07 versions. This isn't /that/ hard. #ukedchat Any ICT teacher worth their salt was going above & beyond the POS quite a while ago. #ukedchat @moreolives @janwebb21 I agree, Scratch is a resource that we could much more fully develop. #ukedchat RT @MrAColley: Any ICT teacher worth their salt was going above & beyond the POS quite a while ago. #ukedchat @mberry everyone knows how much I love wikis but maybe not for curriculum! #ukedchat @eslweb We've got accountability on its head if we think satisfying requirements more important than teaching children. #ukedchat @eslweb it will lead to a post code lottery of IT. ICT, Digital Literacy or Comp Sci based on teacher skills & preferences. #ukedchat

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RT @MrAColley: Any ICT teacher worth their salt was going above & beyond the POS quite a while ago. #ukedchat #ukedchat - it's putting extra pressure on ICT teachers to develop a broader curriculum or to not change their existing one at all. RT @mberry: @timjlittle 'broad and balanced' will be key. Aim for something better... This isn't /that/ hard. #ukedchat #ukedchat what does your ICT curriculum presently look like? is it embedded across the wider curric? Soryy - I don't know #ukedchat @mberry I hope so, I really do! #ukedchat @mracolley absolutely true! Well said :) #ukedchat Taking part in #ukedchat tonight? Please check out #RethinkingICT conference http://t.co/Yri92Ceq :) There's already lots of debate around this with #ictcurric #digitalstudies and #rethinkingict. #ukedchat @eslweb @moreolives @janwebb21 check out MIT's draft Scratch 'curriculum': http://t.co/0qObcWEJ #ukedchat @moreolives @eslweb but don't forget the other tools such as kodu, alice, etc #ukedchat RT @MrAColley: Any ICT teacher worth their salt was going above & beyond the POS quite a while ago. #ukedchat RT @MrAColley: There's already lots of debate around this with #ictcurric #digitalstudies and #rethinkingict. #ukedchat RT @urban_teacher: Schools are a mini society that reflect the larger society we live in. #ukedchat #educhat Its amazing the lengths schools go to save a student from self destruction. The public need to hear these untold stories #ukedchat #edchat RT @urban_teacher: Schools are a mini society that reflect the larger society we live in. #ukedchat #educhat are you talking about tools or curriculum tonight #ukedchat ? #stillclueless RT @chrisleach78: Taking part in #ukedchat tonight? Please check out #RethinkingICT conference

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MattSmith565 JOHNSAYERS kanda_hh eslweb richardblaize DKeano1985 MrAColley maja_prolece mberry ICTEvangelist janwebb21 judeenright bevevans22 catmill ICTEvangelist eslweb

http://t.co/Yri92Ceq :) #ukedchat trying to find the harmony between the curriculum and new technology can be tricky anyway. Maybe it would lead to creativity #ukedchat all subjects in today's tech World could fill a void #ukedchat Have you given your opinion here? http://t.co/9Juy4cIc @janwebb21 @moreolives Jan knows which is my favourite... Kodu is very accessible, but Alice has a steeper learning curve. #ukedchat RT @MrAColley: Any ICT teacher worth their salt was going above & beyond the POS quite a while ago. #ukedchat #ukedchat with pupils described as digital natives, where is teaching to be taken. Will variety lead to inconsistency? @moreolives I didn't say it! I nicked it from @jpgreenwood! #ukedchat RT @Spenceict: Just under an hour before the first virtual #TeachMeet on #Google+ ! 1900GMT #gta #ukedchat #edchat http://t.co/2C8fm7Il @janwebb21 Actually, I think they'd be ideal. Especially if pupils get editing privileges. Think agile co-production. #ukedchat #ukedchat I think ICT shd give sts the skills they need to enhance their learning across the curric, in their lives and in their futures @Catriona_O just goes to show that there is a need for ict coordination in ALL schools #ukedchat #ukedchat Should we start at A Level and work backwards to define our new attainment levels? A Level ICT or A Level Computing? RT @ICTEvangelist: #ukedchat I think ICT shd give sts the skills they need to enhance their learning across the curric, in their lives and in their futures @Catriona_O Shame about England-specific topic tonight, eh? Giving #ukedchat a miss tonight. :( #ukedchat I also believe that ICT shd contain more than just computing but a mix of it all, office / media / web / programming / audio @moreolives That's my worry... #ukedchat

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@DKeano1985 I think that may well be the biggest kanda_hh problem. Schools will either apply this brilliantly or terribly. #ukedchat @janwebb21 @mberry Seen Wikis in action in geraldhaigh1 primary, with LP+, developing collaborative writing. #ukedchat @urban_teacher Very true.But if you keep too many JohnAHobson troubled low achieving kids on role you become an Academy who then chuck 'em out.#ukedchat @moreolives not necessarily - if we want to develop janwebb21 transferrable skills! thinking skills! not just reliance on one tool #ukedchat @ICTEvangelist are ICT teachers equipped with the syded06 tools and knowledge for the future part? #ukedchat @catmill I know - I'm just trying to make sense of it Catriona_O (and strugglling as you can see!) #ukedchat @eslweb does it matter what programming moreolives environment they start in at KS3 though? Aren't we supposed to be just 'lighting the fire'?#ukedchat I really hope that the new ICT curriculum doesn't just ianaddison mean 'let's do computer science/programming', there is much more to it #ukedchat I don't but the 'digital natives' thing completely. Not all MrAColley of my pupils use ICT discerningly & skilfully without teaching. #ukedchat #ukedchat please could people complete my survey to MelissaHarvey18 help with ict dissertation http://t.co/hIHLcCy7 many thanks guys RT! @DKeano1985 it's the inconsistency that is janwebb21 concerning some after all! #ukedchat @DKeano1985 variety /means/ inconsistency. mberry Children /are/ different, so why should they be taught the same things the same way? #ukedchat @catmill #ukedchat but that's not to say we can't Catriona_O share wisdom across borders #ukedchat ICT is 1 of the most exciting subjects given ICTEvangelist its constant evolution, this is also what makes it 1 of the most difficult RT @ICTEvangelist: #ukedchat I think ICT shd give missnoor28 sts the skills they need to enhance their learning across the curric, in their lives and in their futures moreolives @ictevangelist yes, we will have 3 strands: Using ICT,

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janwebb21 ianaddison Catriona_O missnoor28 eslweb MrAColley moreolives mberry DWar ianaddison wayneghallDC moreolives janwebb21 syded06 infernaldepart eslweb

Digital Literacy and Programming #ukedchat @geraldhaigh1 yes, I was using for that! and peer feedback, international collaborations, afl, included sound.... #ukedchat #ukedchat we do some coding/programming, but we do loads of other exciting cool stuff - regardless of a new curriculum or not @ICTEvangelist #ukedchat so why are most kids I know not totally fired up by ICT at school? RT @ICTEvangelist: #TMClevedon - May 3rd - win an iPod Touch / 500gb HD with a superb lineup of speakers http://t.co/7XO2xFtc #ukedchat ... @moreolives Scratch is reliable, works class platform and designing characters engages the most quickly. Just ask my 8yr old #ukedchat My biggest concern is that each school will have a curric limited by teacher skill set. Esp where there are lots of non specs. #ukedchat @syded06 @ICTEvangelist I know we aren't equipped to take Computer Science on #ukedchat RT @ICTEvangelist: #ukedchat I also believe that ICT shd contain more than just computing but a mix of it all, office / media / web / programming / audio #ukedchat Agree with Ian, Gove's bett sp was a whim, a couple of weeks before he had no idea what to say. you do know that in primary we can teach game design/coding now if we want to? Oh...many of us already are #ukedchat "@judeenright: #ukedchat Should we start at A Level " & btec L3 I think that would be good. @eslweb we have used with KS3 for a number of years and seems to suit very well. #scratch #ukedchat RT @ianaddison: I hope new ICT curriculum doesn't mean 'let's do computer science/programming', there is much more to it #ukedchat @moreolives @ICTEvangelist we are currently deciding on exactly this point. Very tricky #ukedchat @gideonwilliams i hope this is a great opp for ict and a chance to be taken seriously across the school as a subject at all KS #ukedchat @ianaddison @liamgh I liken it to to ICT Is learning how to drive and CS is learning how to fix the engine.

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MUST drive first. #ukedchat @judeenright we don't have to have attainment levels any more. Think projects, portfolios, badges, learner specific goals. #ukedchat #ukedchat sorry not done this before am i just following twitter feed? or is there some feed? RT @ICTEvangelist: #ukedchat ICT is 1 of the most exciting subjects given its constant evolution, this is also what makes it 1 of the most difficult If teachers are working harder than students there is a problem. 85% Students 15% Teachers: should be the correct ratio. #ukedchat #edchat RT @iEducator: Study: Kids prefer to 'Google it' than ask teachers or parents http://t.co/V4G0CkBZ #edchat #ukedchat @Catriona_O because they're bored of learning just Microsoft Office? #ukedchat Let's not lose sight of the ability of ICT to foster creativity and communication #ukedchat @ICTEvangelist yep - that's not ICT, that's business admin, is it not? #ukedchat #ukedchat - The problem with ICT is that students will always be more savvy than the teachers. New concepts to a teacher can be old to them. @ICTEvangelist @missnoor28 I'd class that as more 'technology to enhance learning' than the study of ICT. valuable though. #ukedchat @ICTEvangelist @Catriona_O ..And yet so much of CS could be taught with Excel ;) Only half joking. #ukedchat @gideonwilliams depends where you work Mr Williams #ukedchat @ianaddison and have been for a very long time! in a cross curricular context! #ukedchat @MrAColley My concern is that there will be NO ICT past KsS4 if the recent report on Academies dropping it spreads. #ukedchat #ukedchat @kanda_hh that's it. Inconsistency across schools can't be too positive #ukedchat I like the naace consult curric but is it too conservative in scope? @MrAColley #ukedchat teacher skill set is always a

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ianaddison infernaldepart Catriona_O janwebb21 debbisimpson janwebb21 kanda_hh eslweb Click_JoeRoy Catriona_O janwebb21 ICTEvangelist debbisimpson aknill janwebb21 infernaldepart

limiter and access to tech. i worry for the schools that do 'just office', a new curriculum will make bugger all difference to them #ukedchat @Catriona_O @ICTEvangelist depends on school n the delivery. ICT is NOT boring but it is up to us to engage, motivate and enthuse #ukedchat @eslweb @ICTEvangelist I'm no specialist ( languages teacher meself) but is there a clear enough distinction ICT - CS? #ukedchat @geraldhaigh1 hazards of short spaces in tweets oops! I was thinking along lines of too many cooks when plannign curriculum #ukedchat @Catriona_O @ICTEvangelist #ukedchat because it's the assessment that's boring/unchallenging, not the curric or technology? @geraldhaigh1 which I hasten to add was more as a devil's advocate comment not done well! ;) #ukedchat @DKeano1985 Does the government have a plan to deal with inconsistencies across schools then? #ukedchat @Catriona_O @ICTEvangelist ICT is using the applications and Computer Science is making them. Only my view. #ukedchat #ukedchat all this fuss! we independents rewrote a curric a long time ago. it's liberating... enjoy it... RT @joecar: @judeenright @Catriona_O @catmill http://t.co/bYHXcIx7 notes that put debate in context #ukedchat <thanks Joe @MrAColley but isn't that part of what we need to be doing according to royal society report! #ukedchat @MrAColley @missnoor28 it's more than just that though isn't it, it's life, jobs, futures.... it is SUCH a broad subject #ukedchat RT @ianaddison: you do know that in primary we can teach game design/coding now if we want to? Oh...many of us already are #ukedchat #ukedchat at secondary surely there is still a need for some office type work or other Subjects need far greater access time to skill-up. @Click_JoeRoy who wrote it?!?! #ukedchat @debbisimpson @Catriona_O @ICTEvangelist the

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moreolives eslweb janwebb21 mberry richardblaize ianaddison syded06 wayneghallDC infernaldepart janwebb21 janwebb21 Catriona_O janwebb21 judeenright eslweb infernaldepart

old POS was boring and unchallenging and out of date too! #ukedchat @richardblaize Sorry, but think this is utter nonsense. If kids are so savvy why are we even having this discussion? #ukedchat @mberry That works with cars too... U wanna know where the oil goes... ;) #ukedchat @DWar it's still a work in progress and being refined in the light of consultation with members!!! #ukedchat @judeenright ZPD is unique to each learner/moment. If they can do/know/understand more than they did, they've made progress. #ukedchat #ukedchat - Before ICT can move on there needs to be some agreed recognition as to what ICT actually embodies and means to the stds/tchrs. I 'redesigned' a primary ict curriculum http://t.co/gNMOgxFv but there's nothing groundbreaking, it's all common sense #ukedchat @moreolives @richardblaize having witnessed students with new tech recently I'm not sure they are as savvy as we think #ukedchat "...learning how to drive and CS is learning how to fix the engine.#ukedchat". No its more like how to design the engine. @ianaddison @TomSale i agree and with no LEA support ICT could disappear in such schools which is and will be a tragic waste #ukedchat soooo true@ianaddison #ukedchat @infernaldepart that's why we are teachers.... #ukedchat #ukedchat - OK I'm NO expert at all, but I think that like languages, ICT/tech can b an underpinning kindof subject. a medium 4 other stuff? @Catriona_O lots of current debates going on about that! m #ukedchat @JohnAHobson @mberry #ukedchat and students like A* grades at GCSE and A Level @urban_teacher @teachinghumans In lessons yes, but we need to make sure our own knowledge is up to date. #ukedchat @janwebb21 yes but ive been into and heard of many schools where this is not the case Jan #ukedchat

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@janwebb21 It's one strand yes, the ICTAC bit. Been reading up in more detail in prep for tonight ;). #ukedchat who do schools go to for advice and support? LEA? local schools? #ukedchat RT @moreolives: @click_joeroy I think we all rewrote the pos a long time ago. Just no-one owned up it. #ukedchat @geraldhaigh1 no (sticking with a simple answer to that one!) or should it be yes? #ukedchat RT @ianaddison: I redesigned a primary ict curriculum http://t.co/1Npxv6xU but theres nothing groundbreaking, its all common sense #ukedchat We are discussing all the potential issues ... what are the solutions? Can we have them yet? #ukedchat @ianaddison I love to see the diversity at primary secondaries often have a lot to learn #ukedchat . @aknill the basics of using ICT still really important. 100% of students need this if only to access other parts of the curriculum #ukedchat @infernaldepart @TomSale makes sense. We have 3 ASTs for 450primary schools! #ukedchat (they're bloody amazing) RT @moreolives: @click_joeroy I think we all rewrote the pos a long time ago. Just no-one owned up it. #ukedchat @ICTEvangelist @missnoor28 Agreed, and does everybody need everything? #ukedchat @ianaddison I will be showing my primary colleagues this link tomorrow. Super! https://t.co/xcCopgHK #ukedchat @richardblaize @moreolives perhaps although they are naive to context and safety #ukedchat @syded06 @richardblaize think we must not assume they are savvy. I've not seen a lot of evidence for it. #ukedchat @kanda_hh there are solutions out there and a number of us are working on it now #digitalstudies #ukedchat @janwebb21 Thanks Jan I get the feeling I'm in a different zone tonight! Not clued up enough. Will let u get on - good luck #ukedchat

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@richardblaize #ukedchat I agree about savvy student skills but perhaps not as savvy in application or in deploying those skills. #ukedchat Delivery focused on skills that align with tech they are using and will be using. There is a need to teach the basic progs @teachesict because sometimes face-to-face is better. It's nice to meet real people too right? #ukedchat @Click_JoeRoy #ukedchat yes agreed, definitely good to reboot though not sure ditching pos is unquestionably good @wayneghallDC too much ICT has been like learning to be a passenger. Program or be programmed - qv http://t.co/fnFd89U6 @rushkoff #ukedchat @aknill @ianaddison secondaries have an exam spec to keep in mind though #ukedchat @ianaddison I know all our LEA ICT support is disappearing.I used to find the steering groups so useful for keeping up to date etc #ukedchat RT @teachesict: @MrAColley use #rethinkingict to create support groups to mentor less experienced teachers #ukedchat > GREAT idea! @moreolives #ukedchat ICT use needed at school and for the work place- they won't all be coding @ianaddison that sounds like an interesting comment when made on Twitter ;-) #ukedchat @Catriona_O there are aspects of ICT - digital literacy for example - that need other curriculum contexts for learning! like mfl!! #ukedchat @kanda_hh ours was the opposite, LEA support groups were behind the times, dull even #ukedchat @judeenright @JohnAHobson True 'nough, but how useful is an A* in ICT? Contribs to FLOSS projects and iOS apps another matter. #ukedchat @moreolives @click_joeroy Yeah, like the control module... Clearly a Spaceship needed to be CONTROLLED http://t.co/Ttu3ZJ0m #ukedchat Need some office skills although I'd prefer open source, with computer science i.e. programming, taking apart and app dev. #ukedchat @richardblaize #ukedchat the skill of systems analysis

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once mastered never goes out of date @asober haha, you know what I mean! Sometimes meeting people is cool. Virtual biscuits are rubbish ;-) #ukedchat @moreolives @ianaddison #ukedchat true the exam spec and targets drive so much of what we o. Let's not forget to consult with the learners themselves. Great examples at http://t.co/OngnF4TH #ukedchat RT @moreolives: @aknill the basics of using ICT still really important. 100% of students need this if only to access curriculum #ukedchat @MrAColley @teachesict worry as @deputymitchell pointed out is Twitter only acc for small %of teachers. Sure many others but.... #ukedchat @kanda_hh Such a shame. But can't you run your own steering group? Enough expertise to go round? #ukedchat @ianaddison Im not sure I know what ICT actually is #ukedchat Best s/sheet lesson I ever saw, the teacher gave the kids a broken s/sheet and said "fix it" - put them in the driving seat more? #ukedchat Digital Leaders are a great ideas for trying aspects out, and then developing further #ukedchat #dlchat @aknill totally agree. 99% will need basic skills & digital literacy. Very few will get into coding #ukedchat. Just need a good mix @ianaddison So another source of inconsistency that needs to be dealt with too-without schools paying excessively for the support! #ukedchat @mberry i was told that I wasn't allowed to. Or I could, but I wasn't allowed to use LEA contact routes to advertise #ukedchat @StephenLev absolutely - need to be able to choose to use! #ukedchat RT @infernaldepart: @kanda_hh there are solutions out there and a number of us are working on it now #digitalstudies #ukedchat RT @ianaddison: who do schools go to for advice and support? LEA? local schools? #ukedchat @MrAColley @teachesict #ukedchat mentoring / support also linking in with #digitalleadersnetwork

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development, see #DLchat at 9 after this @mberry we have investigated using the post and writing letters to all local schools to get them along! #ukedchat RT @aknill: @ianaddison I love to see the diversity at primary - secondaries often have a lot to learn #ukedchat . Let's not forget to consult with the learners themselves. Great examples at http://t.co/07d4jvsm #ukedchat #ukedchat distressed to see many colleagues falling into trap of assuming that some schools just deliver MS Office. Surely an urban myth. @mberry @judeenright ICT gcse is like watching paint dry. They still want kids to make mistakes they correct and screenshot . #ukedchat @catmill sorry about that!!! @Catriona_O #ukedchat I believe ICT should be taught through subjects and not as a subject! #ukedchat @ianaddison I know. But when the LAs disappear the capacity within the community still remains, & they won't be able to stop you. #ukedchat @dgilmour does this help set the scene? http://t.co/hhcbEEvq #ukedchat @ianaddison #ukedchat #teachingschools are preparing today to support the system in this field which started with the new tech advis board If the curriculum should prepare them for the future then we may struggle second guessing 5 years time? #ukedchat @StephenLev It should be a part, but JUST a part... #ukedchat My students still love the interactive story modules based on #powerpoint @MrAColley @missnoor28 everyone should have a taste, not everyone should continue. That's what options are for... #ukedchat @mberry true, but I only have email adds for HTs, often I can't get emails to the ppl I want to get them to. Hence the letters #ukedchat "@mberry: Program or be programmed - qv http://t.co/x4Ob55Mq @rushkoff #ukedchat" will look it up thnx

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nickotkdIV UKCHAZ janwebb21 asober jemimaanderson judeenright mberry kanda_hh jackieschneider ianaddison StephenLev ICTEvangelist SheliBB moreolives wayneghallDC johnmayo StephenLev janwebb21

@asober is this in all key stages? #ukedchat @ianaddison #ukedchat my school has moved into CPD delivery for other schools this year as a result of LEA #decimation @moreolives but there are lots of things that can develop logical thinking and make coding less scary #ukedchat @StephenLev well, I suppose it is the majority though. In all schools I worked in and visited that was the case! #ukedchat In primary, 2 barriers to broader ICT curriculum/use are access to technology and ability of staff to keep pace with change. #ukedchat #ukedchat @mberry @johnahobson Dom't know about current ICT spec, but if more of uk ppl had AL Comp NHS systems mess up we not have happened @andyhutt This works for many things. Tinkering as knowledge building. Wikis and open source good for this too. #ukedchat @asober Yes of course, but when does the teaching of the skills happen? Not all ch are confident enough to apply so quickly #ukedchat Do all primary schools actually TEACH ICT? I'm not convinced #ukedchat @UKCHAZ we still have some LEA advisors, but their meetings are held in school time! we can't afford supply. #ukedchat @eslweb #ukedchat Indeed-it has lots of uses. @gideonwilliams not every teacher or school is born / managed equally #ukedchat @russellwareham Much needed too with our diminishing support systems (like advisers and ASTs) #ukedchat @JohnAHobson @mberry @judeenright part of the problem is that no-one has ever worked out how to successfully assess ICT #ukedchat "@asober: I believe ICT should be taught through subjects and not as a subject! #ukedchat" yes @ianaddison go video conference #ukedchat @asober #ukedchat Well, you could knock me down.. Surely inexcusable! @asober I would qualify that by saying "parts of ICT"

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teachingofsci carolinebreyley jackieschneider janwebb21 UKCHAZ mberry eslweb

should be taught through other subjects #ukedchat Technology and ICT Curriculum go hand in hand, the problem we had before was ICT was playing catch up to the Technology. #ukedchat @moreolives @richardblaize we use tech more now than ever. What will it be like in the future? Teach ICT across all subjects? #ukedchat @wayneghallDC @asober In an ideal world, but most teachers don't know enough ICT to successfully use it themselves... #ukedchat @mberry yes, program or be programmed is a powerful rationale for anchoring learning in getting hands on the means of production! #ukedchat RT @janwebb21: @asober I would qualify that by saying "parts of ICT" should be taught through other subjects #ukedchat RT @chrisleach78: Taking part in #ukedchat tonight? Please check out #RethinkingICT conference http://t.co/Yri92Ceq :) #ukedchat tech.what allows the workplace to moveboth 4 us and learners.but how do we cater for chn who do not have access?unfair? #ukedchat Embed or teach separately. We've been here before, not just ICT. Usual way is a combination. Some skills need specific attention. #ukedchat #ukedchat interested in ict use by students out of school? would be grateful for comments/publicity/RTs/guest posts for http://t.co/mNXIrdbi @Catriona_O @catmill Another #ukedchat subject that makes me glad I moved north of the border! Do many schools use music to teach ICT? #ukedchat @syded06 that is so true - and exactly why we need to develop transferrable high level thinking skills as a priority #ukedchat #ukedchat We're linked with #edgehilluniversity and deliver training and support for #ECC, #1stclass@number as well as other maths & #PE cpd @judeenright Quite. That's why computing should be part of every child's entitlement, not just those who opt in at GCE #ukedchat @geraldhaigh1 Agreed. #ukedchat

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aknill ProfTentacles asober judeenright janwebb21 mberry MrAColley asober andyhutt debbisimpson nickotkdIV janwebb21 SheliBB

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lshs_netman ianaddison

@syded06 @moreolives @richardblaize cross curricular ICT use and teaching is so dependent on teacher skill set #ukedchat #ukedchat we're trying to get schools in local area to agree local curriculum to take into account local needs. @nickotkdIV @kanda_hh certainly in all KS for ICT! For Computing it is another story! #ukedchat @moreolives:part of the problem is that no-one has ever worked out how to successfully assess ICT #ukedchat old A Level Computing spec did @eslweb @asober there needs to be some focused/strategic approach so learners have balance #ukedchat @DWar Yes! The means of production and distribution in the hands of the people. Who'd have thought it. #ukedchat So what overarching themes should make up the 'new' POS? Digital literacy? Computing? ICT? Computer skills for Geography? #ukedchat @kanda_hh @nickotkdIV For example think about the applications of Physics in designing computer games, etc... #ukedchat @mberry agreed - but needs real and meaningful tasks/activities/purposes too. All too often just pretend learning #ukedchat @wayneghallDC @asober and risk being dropped altogether as expensive & "hard to do" #ukedchat @asober @kanda_hh Agreed. we use ICT in all subjects and for all ages Foundation onwards #ukedchat @moreolives is it the ICT we are assessing or the learning? the thinking? the problem solving? #ukedchat @aknill @syded06 @moreolives @richardblaize much easier to do cross curricular ICT stuff in primary schools as well I think #ukedchat RT @richardblaize: #ukedchat - The problem with ICT is that students will always be more savvy than the teachers. New concepts to a teacher can be old to them. I blogged about my thoughts for changing the way we

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How do schools ensure best practice and big picture for developing ICT curriculum ready for disapplication of pos?

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jemimaanderson wayneghallDC Matt_Maynes MrAColley jackieschneider Smichael920 eslweb Catriona_O JohnAHobson Click_JoeRoy syded06 janwebb21 asober StephenLev lfoltos eslweb

do ICT http://t.co/MhiAkk1V #ukedchat ICT especially needs forward thinking teacher leaders who drive curriculum/change and staff willing to give new ideas a go. #ukedchat "@eslweb: ..most teachers don't know enough ICT to successfully use it themselves... #ukedchat" that says more about them than curriculum. #ukedchat What video editing software is your school using with Key Stage 2 children? Any recommendations? @JohnAHobson Haven't seen that report. Got a link? #ukedchat Are computer rooms dead in the water these days? #ukedchat #ukedchat some great work going on in many schools but landscape uneven. With dwindling role of LAs sch2sch support v important @janwebb21 @moreolives I'd like to think that ICT could be one of the big guns that can be used for those skills #ukedchat #ukedchat - should it be a subject at all? #ict @wayneghallDC @asober I believe ICT should be taught through subjects and not as a subject! #ukedchat" But it's not! Need specialists @MrAColley #ukedchat I have 6 themes in my curric, posted on my blog (check later) but not digital literacy.... @janwebb21 maybe staff would benefit across the school to? #ukedchat absolutely! Need a bit of both in the approach!!! @geraldhaigh1 #ukedchat @janwebb21 @eslweb @debbisimpson I think some teachers are too quick at hiding away from ICT because it is taught as a subjects #ukedchat RT @janwebb21: @eslweb @asober there needs to be some focused/strategic approach so learners have balance #ukedchat @asober: I believe ICT should be taught through subjects and not as a subject! #ukedchat Our focus should be the task and pegagogy @jackieschneider NO... Mine is full of students from beginning of school right through to dinner...

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DKeano1985 andyhutt syded06 nickotkdIV UKCHAZ jackieschneider janwebb21 aknill davidhunter

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#ukedchat RT @janwebb21: @moreolives is it the ICT we are assessing or the learning? the thinking? the problem solving? #ukedchat @MrAColley I love this ICT curriculum link designed by @ianaddison https://t.co/xcCopgHK #ukedchat @andyhutt agreed. Check out http://t.co/mi7SlXpV for one real world approach for 13-17s. #ukedchat The problem with the ICT Cur it needs more time to be developed! I think trying change it so quick is a knee jerk reaction! #ukedchat RT @wayneghallDC: "@eslweb: ..most teachers don't know enough ICT to successfully use it themselves... #ukedchat" that says more about them than curriculum. @russellprue Too right, they're more 'expert' than we give them credit for;-) #ukedchat @aknill @moreolives @richardblaize agreed. Very difficult to make this a reality #ukedchat @asober @kanda_hh agreed. we have ICT in all Primary subjects. On all planning there is space for mandatory ICT links #ukedchat #ukedchat anyone in NE & Cumbria looking for pedagogical based training for #maths and #PE pm me... Any one else agree that bloody awful MLE put staff right off using ICT? #ukedchat #scaredoffronter @syded06 @asober yes - need to develop skills and confidence for ALLL staff #ukedchat @MrAColley #ukedchat themes coding/programming; digital literacy; social ICT; work skills - office; new frontiers (GIS, apps, mobile tech) #ukedchat werent computers invented 2make life easier?a means to an end,ICT should always be used to solve probs,not for ICTs sake #ukedchat RT @teachingofsci: #ukedchat interested in ict use by students out of school? would be grateful for comments/publicity/RTs/guest posts for http://t.co/mNXIrdbi @MrAColley #ukedchat I keep thinking content rather than themes: HTML, systems analysis and design for an end user, sub routines and loops

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jackieschneider

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aknill raisechildrens Click_JoeRoy jackieschneider nickotkdIV moreolives MrAColley mberry janwebb21 janwebb21 ianaddison debbisimpson

@ProfTentacles #ukedchat That sounds fascinationgspecially with local employer input too. RT @jackieschneider: Are computer rooms dead in the water these days? #ukedchat @lfoltos indeed! Pedagogy first and that's exactly why ICT should be embedded in subjects, as it should be an enabler #ukedchat RT @davidhunter: #ukedchat werent computers invented 2make life easier?a means to an end,ICT should always be used to solve probs,not for ICTs sake #ukedchat @SheliBB @syded06 @moreolives @richardblaize #ukedchat cross curricular at primary - have to agree, should I switch? #ukedchat my fav ICT experience was doing a simple ICT course 12 years ago, where you had to be able to use a CDRom in order to access it! #ukedchat i believe ICT teaching should have context but has elements that can not be taught through other subjects @davidhunter - agree! #ukedchat RT @syded06 @moreolives @richardblaize cross curricular ICT use and teaching is so dependent on teacher skill set #ukedchat @janwebb21 I assess problem-solving & skills. ICT IS all about problem solving. At KS4 endless screenshots stifle creativity #ukedchat RT @jemimaanderson: I love this ICT curriculum link designed by @ianaddison https://t.co/jhjbQewp #ukedchat <Seen Ian's stuff, brilliant @Matt_Maynes We recommend Movie Maker. Would recommend iMovie if there were more mac schools out there. #ukedchat (off topic) RT @mberry: @andyhutt agreed. Check out http://t.co/VSvLsVl2 for one real world approach for 13-17s #ukedchat #ukedchat RT @MrAColley: RT @jemimaanderson: I love this ICT curriculum link designed by @ianaddison https://t.co/jhjbQewp #ukedchat <Seen Ian's stuff, brilliant @lfoltos @asober you could make the same argument

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Rob_Crilly raisechildrens syded06 Smichael920 aknill StephenLev DKeano1985 jackieschneider MattSmith565 Matt_Maynes asober teachingofsci mberry janwebb21 judeenright SheliBB

about english #ukedchat RT @jemimaanderson: @MrAColley I love this ICT curriculum link designed by @ianaddison https://t.co/xcCopgHK #ukedchat #ukedchat and that was a gov initiative! @aknill @SheliBB @moreolives @richardblaize would tablet technology help this situation or not? #ukedchat Absolutely! RT @janwebb21: @syded06 @asober yes - need to develop skills and confidence for ALLL staff #ukedchat @richardblaize @syded06 @moreolives #ukedchat fully agreed use ICT everywhere but need core specialists @jackieschneider #ukedchat KS 1/2 like them for bulk delivery of skills. Handy for building/maintaining machines too! #ukedchat @wayneghallDC I agree. Do teachers have sufficient knowledge? I was asked the other day how to attach to an email? I only use so much ICT cos of the power it gives me not cos I'm interested in how it works #ukedchat @janwebb21 @syded06 @asober not just how they teach it but in the technology used. Trying to break the 'stick with what you know' #ukedchat #ukedchat Anyone recommend good video cameras to use with Primary school children? Must have USB connection and external mic input @debbisimpson isn't that why we have a Literacy Strategy? #ukedchat #ukedchat ict as cross curricular like numeracy/literacy, *also* studied for own sake? Does (y)our current approach to ICT focus too much on skills rather than knowledge or understanding? #ukedchat @asober yes, it should be an enabler in other subject sbut WON'T develop what learners need if that is their only experience #ukedchat #ukedchat Spend one lesson on MS Office or the like: how to use the help facility. Students use that for whatever they need, any subject. @richardblaize @aknill @syded06 @moreolives access to tech (and therefore skills) differs greatly

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aknill Smichael920 Click_JoeRoy nickotkdIV mikallaane andyhutt janwebb21 jemimaanderson jackieschneider wayneghallDC janwebb21 mikallaane acareoandy mberry nickotkdIV

across schools though #ukedchat @syded06 @shelibb @moreolives @richardblaize #ukedchat cost a limiter for tablets at secondary iMovie here! RT @mberry: @Matt_Maynes We recommend Movie Maker. Would recommend iMovie if there were more mac schools out there. #ukedchat #ukedchat we, by the fact that we are here, are the advance skilled and visionaries... how are we going to share our skills? RT @jackieschneider I only use so much ICT cos of the power it gives me - not cos I'm interested in how it works #ukedchat RT @infernaldepart: @kanda_hh there are solutions out there and a number of us are working on it now #digitalstudies #ukedchat @janwebb21 @mberry Thnks - will check;-) #ukedchat RT @Click_JoeRoy: i believe ICT teaching should have context but has elements that can not be taught through other subjects #ukedchat @ianaddison how far are you from Glasgow? I want you to come to my primary school and inspire us!! #ukedchat @Queen_Claire @janwebb21 - lots of neighbouring primaries abandoning in favour of trollies of netbooks #ukedchat #ukedchat my college is moving away from content to projects. Real employers are onboard and local schools are following with interest. RT @geraldhaigh1: Not in my experience. Classroom ICT, mobile devices, computer rooms co-existing and will do for some time. #ukedchat RT @ICTEvangelist: #ukedchat ICT is 1 of the most exciting subjects given its constant evolution, this is also what makes it 1 of the most difficult Teaching application of IT shld be thru' all lessons. Teaching computer science, how to programme is a subject in its own right #ukedchat @jackieschneider but shouldn't a liberal education in the 21st C include some grasp of how it works? Like poetry and, ahem, music? #ukedchat @jackieschneider Do you believe this or do you just

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russellwareham janwebb21 wayneghallDC ProfTentacles acareoandy SheliBB teachingofsci eslweb janwebb21 MrAColley emmaannhardy syded06 janwebb21 SheliBB russellwareham

underestimate what you acturally use/do with ICT? #ukedchat Still like open source but Microsoft / Adobe / Apple should < cost for schools and gain back in the workplace with improved skills #ukedchat @jackieschneider I would say the greater the flexibility and multi=tasking options the better! #ukedchat RT @nickotkdIV: RT @jackieschneider I only use so much ICT cos of the power it gives me - not cos I'm interested in how it works #ukedchat .@StephenLev Difficulty is that current environment does not encourage cooperation like that. Difficult sell. #ukedchat @Matt_Maynes FlipCams. Even our infants can use them #UKEdChat @richardblaize @aknill @moreolives @syded06 we an ex pupil visit who was having to 'learn' powerpoint again having done it in yr 2 #ukedchat @judeenright #ukedchat or have older ict students produce an msoffice help wiki in student friendly language? Accessible, useful for all @teachesict @ianaddison I've tried to share what I can on http://t.co/BSEML177 #ukedchat But can't do everything all of the time. RT @mberry: Does (y)our current approach to ICT focus too much on skills rather than knowledge or understanding? #ukedchat Have you seen the great blog posts by at #ict500? http://t.co/tRC8Y0AH #ukedchat RT @asober: @lfoltos indeed! Pedagogy first and that's exactly why ICT should be embedded in subjects, as it should be an enabler #ukedchat @aknill @shelibb @richardblaize i know tablets are expensive now but in 4/5 years? Will current 11 year olds every use desktops? #ukedchat RT @nickotkdIV: RT @jackieschneider I only use so much ICT cos of the power it gives me - not cos I'm interested in how it works #ukedchat @syded06 @aknill @moreolives @richardblaize tablet tech great if it continues from primary to secondary #ukedchat RT @MrAColley: Have you seen the great blog posts

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MrAColley Kezmerrelda ScrubyEnglish judeenright dakinane davidhunter Rob_Crilly StephenLev wayneghallDC Catriona_O mberry nickotkdIV Click_JoeRoy urban_teacher JohnAHobson

by at #ict500? http://t.co/tRC8Y0AH #ukedchat @aknill Haven't heard the new frontiers idea before. Nice! :) #ukedchat @Matt_Maynes flip cams are great easy to use for nursery up though hd format so need good editing software if want to edit #ukedchat RT @ukedchat: It's 8pm. Time for #ukedchat with @janwebb21 discussing 'How will schools develop ICT curriculum ready for disapplication of pos?' #ukedchat Are there many eg s of things best taught in ICT lessons other than systems analysis and design and programming skills? RT @jackieschneider: Are computer rooms dead in the water these days? #ukedchat@jackieschneider Yes! Computers at the point of learning! @Matt_Maynes I'd go SD for most of them.HD will soon fill up all your space and older machines won't play back ;) #ukedchat RT @jackieschneider: I only use so much ICT cos of the power it gives me - not cos I'm interested in how it works #ukedchat @ProfTentacles #ukedchat Yes, I can see that. Would like to think employers would jump at chance to get a ready-trained workforce. "@acareoandy: @Matt_Maynes FlipCams. Even our infants can use them #UKEdChat" & iPod touches @syded06 tablets on ebay coming down in price day by day! we are watching! #ukedchat had 3 android tabs in recent yrs RT @wayneghallDC: #ukedchat my college is moving away from content to projects. Real employers are onboard and local schools are following with interest. #ukedchat people seem to use ICT for two different reasons 1. to enhance the teaching and learning experience 2. To show OFF!! #ukedchat has anyone asked their pupils what they want to learn? recommend it... ICT: learnging how to drive a car. Computing: learning how to design & make your own car #edchat #ukedchat @MrAColley #ukedchat SSATRUST report on Academies makes depressing reading for future of ICT

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Teen_Whisperer eslweb janwebb21 syded06 emmaannhardy teachingofsci janwebb21 Catriona_O Kezmerrelda mberry acareoandy jackieschneider russellwareham janwebb21 SheliBB

http://t.co/NLmPohZP . Return to the carousel! Engaging #SEN pupils through film http://t.co/aS6ef6bb Via @GuardianTeach - excellent practice. #ukedchat #edchat #sschat #k12media @dakinane @jackieschneider There are advantages to having PCs in a room where you control the software, screens and keyboards #ukedchat sorry guys I'm having probs sending retweets out and follwoing conversation threads! must get the hang of this tech ;) #ukedchat @Catriona_O yes and the best apps etc are cross platform @teachingofsci #ukedchat @judeenright #ukedchat I find I teach the skill first as an ICT lesson and then embed by using across other subjects - primary. @syded06 @aknill @shelibb @richardblaize we bought my 7yo cheapish android tablet for home. He does good things, great investment #ukedchat @Queen_Claire and that's where use of students own devices - eg smartphones - can help bridge gap across curriclum #ukedchat #ukedchat. Pls forgive me but I'm still not getting it. Is what we R talking about with ICT not just the way (mostly) young people live? #ukedchat ict should enhance and bring topics to life or motivate or encourage or be used to collaborate but all embedded and in context @jackieschneider interesting. Project / challenge based learning. JIT learning. Understanding comes with enough experience? #ukedchat @judeenright an understanding if relational database principles and structured data - crucial in modern business #UKEdChat @nickotkdIV - I use ICT to give kids a platform to perform & to make world smaller #ukedchat (& to get music help!) This tablet looks good: Sumvision Cyclone Astro tablet, Android 2.3, 90. #ukedchat RT @dakinane: RT @jackieschneider: Are computer rooms dead in the water these days? #ukedchat @richardblaize @syded06 @aknill @moreolives saves money on software, paper,cameras,rubbish

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jemimaanderson andyhutt moreolives janwebb21 Catriona_O judeenright teknoteacher syded06 mberry MrG_ICT raisechildrens MrAColley jackieschneider janwebb21 jackieschneider ICTEvangelist

laptops (though won't replace laptops) #ukedchat In my experience of primary, pupils more consumers than creators. Is true across the curriculum though. #ukedchat computing/ICT = engine service/driving, cooking/eating - enough of the analogies already! They don't help/work;-) #ukedchat @janwebb21 @Queen_Claire definitely. Need to get schools to accept use of student's own tech in the classroom. #ukedchat @Catriona_O @syded06 I got a Playbook at 169 which makes affordable really real #ukedchat OK - I'm off now #ukedchat, nice to be back with you all sorry if i appeared a bit thick. Good luck with it all. #ukedchat @emmaannhardy we have so much to learn from primary. Secondary subject areas need to work much more closely together to do this. As well as the 'Teach Computing' course tomorrow http://t.co/QoMXfm1D I've got free resources http://t.co/Ypks6sFz and more #ukedchat @SheliBB @richardblaize @aknill @moreolives agreed although not sure about the laptop part!!! #ukedchat @urban_teacher no. ICT - learning how to eat. Computing - learning how to cook. #ukedchat Lots teachers poor IT skills. Many teaching for 30+ yrs. Poor children!! Thankfully many inspirational teachers / children #ukedchat #ukedchat for those unsure of how to use ICT in schools @chrismayoh @SheliBB @brynll and @norfolkTeachers are an exciting team to know. @janwebb21 Not if you teach ICT they aren't (yet). Imagine 30 different projects using 30 different platforms/software. Per hour! #ukedchat At one of my schools I have music room & no ICT suite & other has ICT room but no music room! #ukedchat @ICTEvangelist definitely! do I know anyone who does that?!?! oh - that might be me :-0 #ukedchat @judeenright - music? #ukedchat @syded06 @SheliBB @richardblaize @aknill @moreolives tablets are completely changing the

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mberry russellwareham anhalf timmytwoteas judeenright SheliBB janwebb21 eslweb MrAColley mberry janwebb21 jackieschneider judeenright moreolives eslweb janwebb21

makeup of ICT and T&L in schools #ukedchat @jemimaanderson Not always. Not everywhere. Not inevitable. Ofsted say primary ICT better than secondary. #ukedchat Isn't part of KS3 governed by the skills required for KS4, exam boards have a part to play in helping develop relevant courses? #ukedchat @MrAColley sounds great. But we can barely maintain staffing let alne all the eqptmnt. How do u afford in a small primry? #ukedchat @aknill @syded06 @shelibb @moreolives @richardblaize some schools trying alt funding for tablets http://t.co/nzXuyPzx (no 'droid?) #ukedchat #ukedchat @acareoandy yes, good point We need databases in curric - part of life from iTunes on. Not every student will get on to relational @syded06 @richardblaize @aknill @moreolives ip@ds don't replace our laptops at th mo,but I'm sure in time laptops will be surplus #ukedchat @MrAColley depends what for! #ukedchat @dakinane I can take over all the screeens in class to show students how to do things and proper keyboards for typing skills. #ukedchat Have you seen the Computer Science Unplugged stuff? Awesome and kit free! http://t.co/XY2SQfCi #ukedchat @Click_JoeRoy Of course, eating /is/ more important than cooking. #ukedchat absolutely!@Queen_Claire #ukedchat @jemimaanderson - ICT in music can transform kids from consumers to creators v quickly! #ukedchat #ukedchat @jackieschneider in secondary I've always left that to the Music dept! @mberry @jemimaanderson surely because secondary are constrained by exam board requirements? #ukedchat Main reason I don't want portable devices... Too easy to wander off with and never be returned If it's portable, it's BYOD #ukedchat RT @judeenright: @emmaannhardy we have so much to learn from primary. Sec subject areas need to work much more closely together #ukedchat

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Johnnymusictutr MrAColley ICTEvangelist jemimaanderson chrisleach78 chrisleach78 acpeck SheliBB urban_teacher janwebb21 teknoteacher ICTEvangelist jackieschneider andyhutt mberry syded06

RT @jackieschneider: @jemimaanderson - ICT in music can transform kids from consumers to creators v quickly! #ukedchat @anhalf Excellent question. Wish I had an equally excellent answer! #ukedchat #ukedchat @asober that doesn't work. It's like trying 2 teach a carpentry lesson w/out sts understanding how 2 use kit safely & effectively @mberry Absolutely - as I said in my experience I see ICT time used for researching topics, consuming through google #ukedchat RT @MrAColley: RT @teachesict: @MrAColley use #rethinkingict to create support groups to mentor less experienced teachers #ukedchat > GREAT idea! RT @MrAColley: Have you seen the great blog posts by at #ict500? http://t.co/tRC8Y0AH #ukedchat RT @andyhutt: Let's not lose sight of the ability of ICT to foster creativity and communication #ukedchat Continue the ICT debate with a bit of #DLchat after #ukedchat tonight. Everyone welcome. Discuss the role of digital leaders in our schools Ina few years time! The government will be complaining there too many programmers and not enough people ICT illiterate.its a cycle #ukedchat RT @mberry: @Click_JoeRoy Of course, eating /is/ more important than cooking. #ukedchat Worth noting that most new digital products are designed to be simple to use, not requiring teaching eg. Apple's philosophy #ukedchat Want 2 learn more about how iPad can be used in education? Come 2 this free event nr Bath, April 18th: http://t.co/FfLzh2zh #ukedchat I use own iPhone iPad VGA cable & speakers plus free blogging platforms, audio boo photo peach #ukedchat Not just ICT debating its purpose. English in flux too. http://t.co/1iFV2INj ICT/CS needs to work with other subject areas. #ukedchat. @MrAColley Wot no collaboration? -o00o--(_)--o00o#ukedchat @janwebb21 @richardblaize undoubtedly. they are tools to enhance learning.If they don't benefit the students they aren't

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andyhutt jackieschneider janwebb21 syded06 MrAColley

being used correctly #ukedchat @jackieschneider @Johnnymusictutr @jemimaanderson Put http://t.co/ob5Ok04C now can't get music teacher out. Great enabler! #ukedchat RT@SheliBB Continue the ICT debate with #DLchat after #ukedchat tonight. Everyone welcome. Discuss role of digital leaders in schools RT @Teen_Whisperer: Engaging #SEN pupils through film http://t.co/aS6ef6bb Via @GuardianTeach - excellent practice. #ukedchat #edchat #sschat #k12media RT @Johnnymusictutr: RT @jackieschneider: @jemimaanderson - ICT in music can transform kids from consumers to creators v quickly! #ukedchat @MrAColley seriously though, id love 2b doing more IT across sbjcts, but have 2hrs in suite and laptops couple times week :-( #ukedchat @moreolives Yes. Ofsted said most of the problems were caused by the curriculum'. They meant the GCSE specs. #ukedchat @jemimaanderson Would love iMovie, if we could afford it, Movie Maker keeps crashing all the time!! Along with a good WYSIWYG editor that is free! #ukedchat #ukedchat the best ict is when children create things and have ownership. Not when the teacher dictates the outcome and controls the content @richardblaize @syded06 @aknill @moreolives @ds Definitely!My yr 2/1s wrote their own ibooks in under 1hour! Impossible on laptops #ukedchat RT @Kezmerrelda: #ukedchat the best ict is when children create things and have ownership. Not when the teacher dictates the outcome and controls the content @mberry - can you get me an invite?! #ukedchat #applelove @mberry huh?!?! I missed that one!! #ukedchat RT @Kezmerrelda: #ukedchat the best ict is when children create things and have ownership. Not when the teacher dictates the outcome and controls the content @mberry Touche mon brave! Now where did I put that Nokia 3210 hook up cable..... ;) #ukedchat

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RT @mberry: @moreolives Yes. Ofsted said most of the problems were caused by the curriculum'. They meant the GCSE specs. #ukedchat @jemimaanderson RT @Kezmerrelda: #ukedchat the best ict is when children create things and have ownership. Not when the teacher dictates the outcome and controls the content #ukedchat @TheMrB @janwebb21 @emmaannhardy Exciting- but are some teachers in mutiny as they like to own their own curriculum? @eslweb I def agree with #BYOD Hme Access Grant helped establish this in KS2 & KS3 #ukedchat I can't believe there are less than 10 more minutes left for tonight's discussion #ukedchat @BarnesRick BYOD works great for cameras, (Phones) iPods etc Generally students transfer files at home and bring on USB Stick. #ukedchat @MattSmith565 @syded06 @SheliBB @richardblaize @aknill @moreolives a b s o l u t e l y #ukedchat RT @raisechildrens: #ukedchat for those unsure of how to use ICT in schools @chrismayoh @SheliBB @brynll and @norfolkTeachers are an exciting team to know. @anhalf I'm lucky in that I teach it as a dedicated subject in a dedicated room. #ukedchat RT @Kezmerrelda: #ukedchat the best ict is when children create things and have ownership. Not when the teacher dictates the outcome and controls the content RT @Kezmerrelda: #ukedchat the best ict is when children create things and have ownership. Not when the teacher dictates the outcome and controls the content @liamgh @ianaddison And how much do mechanics make? But only a metaphor #ukedchat RT @Kezmerrelda: #ukedchat the best ict is when children create things and have ownership. Not when the teacher dictates the outcome and controls the content RT @Kezmerrelda: #ukedchat the best ict is when children create things and have ownership. Not when

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the teacher dictates the outcome and controls the content #ukedchat my favourite part of ICT is finding something new and letting the learner play with it and watch what they come up with ! @syded06 totally agree with that. If it doesn't enhance or inspire or bring something to life then it's not worth it! #ukedchat @jonjwilliams @BarnesRick I have the advantage of writing the policy to suit myself. #ukedchat #ukedchat @mberry @moreolives @jemimaanderson and GCSE is the tip of the iceberg of a problem, huge range of KS 4 ICT quals out there. @judeenright but that's the whole point of the disapplication- owning own curriculum #ukedchat @MattSmith565 @ICTEvangelist @syded06 @richardblaize @aknill @moreolives That is our aim at Roydon. Want the ICT mark at last ... #ukedchat RT @richards_james: #ukedchat my favourite part of ICT is finding something new and letting the learner play with it and watch what they come up with ! @teknoteacher That's why they are sending their kids to technology free schools that focus on creativity #ukedchat @anhalf Yep. But I still try to make use of collaborative web tools & devices for homeworks etc. #ukedchat @janwebb21 @judeenright That's the bit I live. But at the same time keeping an eye on KS4 where its effectively been fixed. #ukedchat @judeenright but what sort of consistency in approach? #ukedchat RT @richards_james: #ukedchat my favourite part of ICT is finding something new and letting the learner play with it and watch what they come up with ! @mberry no. ICT: becoming computer literate. Computing: learning the fundamentals of how ICT works & building your own tools. #ukedchat @judeenright Same true in primaries. Open source / wiki idea is that all contrib. what they can. To many eyes, all bugs shallow #ukedchat. http://t.co/23ulLPHH #ukedchat

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TeacherToolkit timmytwoteas teknoteacher ickle_tre24

@janwebb21 @Johnnymusictutr @jackieschneider @jemimaanderson isle of tune is great for that! #ukedchat In the early days of radio it was all about the valves. Now it is all about John Humphries & the Archers. same with computers? #ukedchat @judeenright and a pupil's learning is no longer what they are entitled to but a lottery depending on their school/teacher/tools #ukedchat RT @richards_james: #ukedchat my favourite part of ICT is finding something new and letting the learner play with it and watch what they come up with ! @SheliBB @MattSmith565 @ICTEvangelist @richardblaize @aknill has anyone found reasons for not using tablets from informed edu? #ukedchat @jonjwilliams @eslweb #ukedchat thinking that we could start with a set of tablets to prove their worth, take it from there #ukedchat #schoolgoverning The meaning of communication is in the response you get. Do you get what you ask for http://t.co/zQ9wncXy #ukedchat #schoolgoverning The meaning of communication is in the response you get. Do you get what you ask for http://t.co/E2ZC4mN4 Just 5 minutes left of #ukedchat for tonight. Final thought? #ukedchat if that new website /tool is free even better learners explore play and quickly become bored if unsuitable or if it is poor @Kezmerrelda Totally agree, nothing better than seeing what pupils can achieve, need to be able to develop ideas independently #ukedchat The most outstanding ICT lesson I've ever seen was by @Shawki_Bakkar_ He taught the subject without anyone touching a PC! #UKEdChat #ukedchat what decent KS4 'IT' courses are people running? With products like Siri & Evi, in 5 yrs, will we need to teach how to use ICT technology? Programming becoming more relevant #ukedchat RT @MrAColley: Any ICT teacher worth their salt was

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DKeano1985 richardblaize janwebb21 jonjwilliams mrlockyer MrAColley judeenright brynll morsmal MattSmith565 mberry andyhutt russellwareham JohnAHobson richardblaize

going above & beyond the POS quite a while ago. #ukedchat #ukedchat surely at some stage we must have some standardisation with what skills we want pupils to leave school with... RT @jemimaanderson: http://t.co/23ulLPHH #ukedchat @emmaannhardy AND voicethread, wikis, google docs, MS online docs, so many tools, not enough characters.... #ukedchat @BarnesRick @eslweb i have no wireless areas around the school so this would need to be addressed first! #ukedchat Something I pondered a few months ago: http://t.co/LCBtPN46 #ukedchat Are we looking at ICT as a discrete subject or an 'enabler'. I thought the POS was about the former? #ukedchat #ukedchat @janwebb21 until we need to enter them for GCSE... Let's not forget the documenting of the learners journeys through the ICT curriculum. One answer @360_People http://t.co/qTUICZW1 #ukedchat RT @iEducator: Study: Kids prefer to 'Google it' than ask teachers or parents http://t.co/V4G0CkBZ #edchat #ukedchat @syded06 @SheliBB @ICTEvangelist @richardblaize @aknill I've done a lot of research lately and pos Far outweigh negs in my mind #ukedchat @jemimaanderson Creativity and technology are not incompatible. #statingtheobvious #ukedchat @teknoteacher http://t.co/7UD1R2Bq Why not contribute to the consultation...RT @ukedchat: Just 5 minutes left of #ukedchat for tonight. Final thought? @teknoteacher Definately, get the foundations in now and build for the future! #ukedchat @urban_teacher How many people need to be able to design and make a car? Programming is a minority interest.#ukedchat RT @bengoldacre: The future is geeky. The UK needs a Chief Technology Officer. http://t.co/WVEuyFHu Or

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this http://t.co/TGGRRhoA #ukedchat @judeenright then the question becomes about janwebb21 educating a child as a whole or as an exam statistic #ukedchat @TeacherToolkit @shawki_bakkar_ - more details jackieschneider please! #ukedchat @MattSmith565 i've been researching for well over a ICTEvangelist year and i'm still to find negatives - if it can be done, it should be #ukedchat @ukedchat #ukedchat this forum and TeachMeets DonnaComerford ideal to share practice & gain new ideas. I think we will develop our curriculums not Gov(t) The archive of this #ukedchat discussion will be ukedchat available shortly at http://t.co/gSHG6yJB #ukedchat so important to have good connectivity & Smichael920 infrastructure in school if ICT is going to be exciting & engaging for learners @urban_teacher so what does 'computer literate' mberry mean? Rose's 'essential for learning and life'? #ukedchat RT @MrAColley: Any ICT teacher worth their salt was ICTmagic going above & beyond the POS quite a while ago. #ukedchat #ukedchat my blog not meant as a plug ! I encourage richards_james my pupils to find new tools etc and use and then post their use of their finding @mberry There is a debate there and its an jemimaanderson interesting one see my link to NY times article. #ukedchat @JohnAHobson So is Latin, just got to get it MrAColley recognised as an EBACC language now and Boom! ;) ;) #ukedchat RT @Smichael920: #ukedchat so important to have aleximpero good connectivity & infrastructure in school if ICT is going to be exciting & engaging for learners @Smichael920 That would definitely where I'd be eslweb spending my money... Before wasting money on VLEs and overpriced software. #ukedchat @emmaannhardy you will love voicethread with janwebb21 younger ones - can do voice recordings too, so great for early writers #ukedchat moreolives @TeacherToolkit@Shawki_Bakkar I got an

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Outstanding from Ofsted that way too! Said it was innovative use of ICT.Was problem solving #ukedchat @ICTEvangelist @MattSmith565 have to present a balanced argument but can't find reasoned discussion against by anyone in practice #ukedchat @teknoteacher less than 5yrs around the corner is 99 tablet with 4G connectivity :-) Why do we need a network at school? #ukedchat #BYOD @JohnAHobson it's a minority occupation. So is poet. So is musician. So is footballer. Why teach these? #ukedchat @urban_teacher RT @ukedchat: The archive of this #ukedchat discussion will be available shortly at http://t.co/gSHG6yJB Thank you to everyone who has joined in tonght's discussion!!! that has gone incredibly quickly #ukedchat @gideonwilliams I love Twitter. It makes me think bigger. #ukedchat #should'veconsideredthatone @MrAColley Ancient Greek rools! #ukedchat I sat in 3 observations today for an AST interview. #disappointing #UKEdChat The next topic will be decided by a poll http://t.co/7WAMdpHi. Join #ukedchat with @ICTEvangelist at the same time next week. It's 9pm & #ukedchat must end once more. Thanks to @janwebb21 & all those who took part. Read the archive shortly at http://t.co/K8ecHGq7

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