402 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (phonetic) not that? I reviewed the video. Tony and Brook it's Operations bridge.

FEMALE PARTICIPANT: CHUCK CASTO: A couple of Hey, We're here, Chuck. hey, guys. One, a couple of (CONFERENCE CALL INITIATED) MALE PARTICIPANT: Chuck This Casto is Headquarters up on the

Officer.

coming

things.

times this morning, into the Ops Center.

we have gotten busy signals going So, I don't know if we need to

work on more lines or a sneak line or a dedicated line or something, you. MALE PARTICIPANT: CHUCK CASTO: If Okay. you guys would work on so that we can get straight through to

and I reviewed You're to do a

the video. talking

You know, a at

very clear. trying

about

helicopter once in a You

that's field.

lot

of

things

And they tried to scan all

four units.

have to look through a window.

And they claim there's pool.

a reflection of water on the Unit 4 spent-fuel It's not clear.

I mean you really can't see anything. there. You don't know if it's

There's

something

steel or water.

They claim it's NEALR. GROSS

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403 1 2 3 4 there's Now we do know that it's steaming. Now

steam coming out of the side of the building So, it is steamy as a

where the spent-fuel pool is. minimum.

5
6 7 8 9 1 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 o'clock p.m.,

I guess we need to know -- and that was at

five o'clock yesterday. MALE PARTICIPANT: CHUCK CASTO: how long does it So, At Unit 4? I guess we need to know,

take to steam down a spent-fuel pool? Five o'clock a.m. or

FEMALE PARTICIPANT: p.m. yesterday, Chuck? CHUCK CASTO: Sorry.

The way I

got

it

was

five

Japanese Standard Time. FEMALE PARTICIPANT: CHUCK CASTO: So, it's Okay. been about 14 hours

ago or something like that. Clearly, greater rate. try some Unit 3 is steaming at a much

Their strategy, helicopter and they're drops, about

they are continuing to which to, are in highly some

ineffective, future,

sometime

they want to get some crowd control up there with in

tanks and

try to shoot water tanks, which is,

some crowd control that's not

you know,

my judgment,

very effective. You've got debris everywhere. The

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going to shoot a crowd control cannon up in have some effective cooling of a zirc, spent-fuel pool, And I don't know if either way,

you know,

that's going to work. a temporary fix,

that's

a helicopter drop.

I mean you can do that

for a while, enough know,

but you're not going to be able to drop into that spent-fuel I guess, pool. You

efficiently

you can keep doing that,

but that's not

a long-term fix. So, we still need to work on the permanent whatever you call it,

something quasi-permanent,

of a hard pipe system in MALE working that angle.

there from the exterior. Okay. And we're

PARTICIPANT:

The hard pipe system Yes. Yes, I know. There's

CHUCK CASTO: parallel paths, Defense about

and I've got to go see the Minister of that and other issues. And, then, we

have an all-Government bunch of other stuff.

briefing here at

10:30,

and a

There's all kinds of briefings

and meetings and huddles. MALE PARTICIPANT: So, I suppose you're

not available for "60 Minutes" yet? CHUCK CASTO: No.

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405 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Unit 4. reflection, water it's in

working --

MALE Dude. Eliot

PARTICIPANT: is fending

Hey, off

Chuck, news;

come

on,

the

you're

(inaudible, possibly "bothered") by name. CHUCK CASTO: that. Where was I going? on that. MALE PARTICIPANT: No, no, we're You guys distracted me I don't care about any of

CHUCK CASTO:

The Chairman,

you know,

we

need to probably let Bill and the Chairman know that on yesterday we were going by we thought the explosion, 4 spent-fuel that, with

there was structural damage to the Unit pool. We don't really know if there's

any integrity in really show if

that pool or not.

The video doesn't

there's integrity. some what they claim is some

There's

but we can't tell. of five

We knew there is o'clock yesterday

there as

because

steaming. So, I think the right call is still on

And Unit 3 is

steaming even worse.

I think

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3 4

5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 question. meeting, special MALE PARTICIPANT: of that video, do you? CASTO: They claim that it's a You don't have a copy

CHUCK video file

that takes a special video player software, and the file's too large

and all this stuff, to give to us.

Imagine that. Yes. they're not going to

MALE PARTICIPANT: CHUCK CASTO: let us have that video. know, that thing gets

Look,

You know, out. You

the next thing you know, they're not

interested in sharing that thing with us right now. MALE PARTICIPANT: No, no, I was just

asking to complete. CHUCK CASTO: We asked Yes. and So, i I mean that was a good it was asked in the

that,

and they said no. "Hey; if you look" Yes.

we do what we can do. right?--

They say,

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407 I 2 3 4 5j 6 7 8 9 10 1i 12 13 1 1 1 1 1 19 2 2 22 23 24 2 away, some question, the video fuel pool? design tell that with me, and he looked at it. What's your assessment of it? I mean it's as the helicopter is flying by. Yes. on the facility but I couldn't just a split-second shot CHUCK CASTO: = .is from DOE,

He was standing there

a thing.

CHUCK CASTO:

I'm not the expert NRC folks are here,

the

BILL:

Do we know it's

the Unit 4 spent-

Are we certain that that's the case? CHUCK Bill. from CASTO: Because Conti, Well, that's a good

the guy that was showing us from the Government, said,

"TEPCO told us this is So,

where

the spent-fuel

pool is."

we don't even know that that's the damned spent-

fuel pool that we was looking at. NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: CHUCK CASTO: feet away, Chuck, Chuck
--

All we can tell is

some feet out of

there was steam coming "Well, yeah,

the building.

And they said,

that's not is, the but the

right where we think the spent-fuel pool wind's blowing really hard today and

wind's

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NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: CHUCK CASTO: what the hell we looked at. MALE PARTICIPANT: So,

Chuck? we really don't know

Chuck,

think

the

Chairman's trying to join the bridge. NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO:

CHUCK CASTO:

Chuck?

You've got --

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO:

CHUCK CASTO: --

Chuck?
had an

a building that's

explosion and has debris everywhere, to look at it with a helicopter

and you're trying flying by in there.

that's

split-seconds.

You can't tell anything in

You know, a reflection,

they claim there's a glimmer of it's steaming. unit 3 is

but, you know,

steaming even harder. NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO:

CHUCK CASTO:

Chuck?
that -I'm

They're methods

18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25

sorry,

Mr.

Chairman. NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: Chuck, again, just

can you tell is no water in

me the source of your belief the No. (sic) fuel pool? Well, that's

that there

CHUCK just talking

CASTO:

what

we were us

about.

Yesterday

they

showed

snapshots,

and it

looked like to our team members that the spent-fuel

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pool for Unit 4. 2 NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: the -CHUCK CASTO: the Japanese looked, 7 8 9 1 1 12 13 14 1 1 17 1 19 2 21 22 23 24 2 would guess, four units, after Government I'm sorry. showed us it TEPCO and Conti, snapshots, looked and like it the And again, they are

3
4

the explosion,

and

pool had lost structural

integrity of the snapshots. Today they're is

Those were outer walls of the building. saying, not still well,

the pool doesn't have an outer wall, with the outer wall, so they

associated be intact.

could

However, and it's

they

flew

helicopter

by

the

really inconclusive

as you look

at the video, which they showed us, with us, there said, it for whatever reasons. looks is like a reflection that

but won't share it "Look, And we And the

And they say, in there." pool?" us

"Well,

the spent-fuel

guy says,

"Where that's where they tell

the spent-

fuel pool is,

and we think that's a water reflection." Off is to the side about 15 or 20 feet, I So,

steam coming out of the building.

you would assume that that's the spent-fuel pool with some amount of water in 14 hours ago. NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: NEAL R.GROSS
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left in

it.

But that was

Uh-hum.

So,

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2 3 4 there is There 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 which it's at know, don't is have any change in pool, of water in CHUCK your view of the pool? CASTO: I would It say, with steam, the condition of the

some water in some water

the pool. in the

may not be empty. but that was 14

pool,

hours ago. NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: CHUCK there was know how 14 CASTO: some much hours in So, of was Okay. we don't in know. it, You but we it's you

amount water ago,

water in it

because tell

steaming,

but

today we can't

how much water is NRC there's water in

that pool. JACZKO: So, do you think

CHAIRMAN

the pool right now? That's what I was asking the would take a lot

CHUCK CASTO: Reactor Safety Team. to steam-down

Tell me how long it you know, but

the pool,

there's

you don't know. much water is in

You don't know the steaming rate, how there. There's a lot. let's say take

You know, you could assume that, the top at the fuel.

How long would it

to steam-down to the bottom of the fuel? hours do you have there?

And how many

Their recovery methods are to try, again, they've, I think, failed once, to drop water

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22

from a helicopter. to clear the road,

The other is so that they

that they're trying can bring in some

crowd control tanks, these crowd

you know, In

like you see in our opinion,

a riot, are a

controls.

those

highly-inefficient methods of trying to get water in spent-fuel pool, an especially in a building that's

had

explosion and has damage

everywhere.

And we are

not even sure that that pump has enough head to pump up to the top of that building. a good try. You should do it So, you know, but that's not an

maybe,

effective or a long-term solution. NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: So, at this point, Is that

you no longer believe that the pool is what I'm hearing? CHUCK o'clock yesterday, CASTO: I would

dry?

say,

as

of it.

five

the pool had some water in Okay.

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: publicly the pool is dry. Yes,

Now I've said

CHUCK CASTO: NRC CHAIRMAN

I know that. Do you think that

JACZKO:

that's inaccurate?
CHUCK CASTO: We can
--

it's

so

23
24

inconclusive,
mean
--

we

really

can't

tell,

either

way.

NRC

CHAIRMAN

JACZKO:

Well,

so

it's

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412 1 2 3 4 inaccurate you're tell me. CHUCK CASTO: inaccurate to say it's dry. Okay. today, in it with the at five I would say it's probably for me It's to say okay it's if dry? that's Is the that case; what just

saying?

6
7 8 9 10 Okay. 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 We have video, that

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: CHUCK CASTO: they had had It

appears

some water

o'clock yesterday or it

wouldn't be steaming. Okay. Okay. Okay.

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO:

Anything else? Did we get Marty? MALE PARTICIPANT: Marty's here, yes. Marty, did you want

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: to say something on the call? MARTY VIRGILIO: one dose limit No, that

but I agree with you. doesn't discriminate

between age or gender. NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: MARTY VIRGILIO: Okay. saidElE

That

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2
3 4

6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 So, NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: we're still comfortable -Well, tell okay. Good.

well,

me which of

the four points we're still CHUCK answer that or

--

comfortable with. Marty, are you going to

CASTO:

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414 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 11 12 13 14 1 16 17 18 19 2 21 22 23 24 2 Monager was dry? MARTY VIRGILIO: yesterday, and they That's what he told John asked John, given a dry source of it? MARTY VIRGILIO: Yes. TEPCO said the pool know, but know, dry. NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: they speak Right, right. No, I our necessarily dry? MARTY VIRGILIO: Well, speak that's not, you being 1. NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: good with Okay. that But we're not the pool is all of them. NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: MARTY VIRGILIO: Okay. good with No. MARTY VIRGILIO: CHUCK CASTO: Yes.

I think here we're good with

I'm still

the statement

four points don't

to the pool

to my credibility.

That's

the

problem. MARTY VIRGILIO: Yes, It but think about

where that statement came from. John Monager yesterday. NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO:

came from TEPCO to

Okay,

that's

the

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO:

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what are

the

four or

five

things,

what

things

could we do to control the radiation release? NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: CHUCK CASTO: only one. same thing. NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: CHUCK "Well, CASTO: Now Okay. today they're saying, I think, Okay.

And I don't think that's the they told him the

to Jim Trapp,

we were just postulating that it NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: MARTY VIRGILIO: I Okay. mean

would go dry."

that

was was

pretty dry and

clear with Monager;

they had told him it

we needed some actions. if

What actions would you take

you had lost the integrity of the pool? NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: Okay. That's fine.

Okay. MARTY Government great. NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: MARTY VIRGILIO: I'd like to see a better Yes. I am hopeful, than we had are now VIRGILIO: changing So, their TEPCO position. and the

That's

You know, situation

yesterday. NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: Yes, yes. Okay.

416 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 have that (inaudible). MARTY VIRGILIO: No, because we didn't question. where is was also MALE recording So, PARTICIPANT: dose at rates a in Notwithstanding rems per hour at in least we're the a

vicinity.

minimum,

there's

significant amount of fuel that's exposed. NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: MARTY VIRGILIO: 30 rem between Yes. The last I saw

Right. and 4.

Building 3

I don't know

where that number came from. MALE PARTICIPANT: from uncovered fuel. MARTY VIRGILIO: NRC CHAIRMAN Right. Okay. And that, That's right. That's

JACZKO:

that dose measurement coming from? MARTY VIRGILIO: What I read was between

Building 3 and 4. NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: Oh, I mean the

source of the information. MARTY VIRGILIO: Right, that's It the came

How did we get that information?

from the field team somewhere. FEMALE PARTICIPANT: But that's the

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Did either Jim or Tony

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417 1 2 3 4 and look. Unit 4. FEMALE PARTICIPANT: 6 7 8 9 the field? FEMALE Japanese website, PARTICIPANT:
--

provide that information? FEMALE PARTICIPANT: We ran (inaudible) I'd have 40 rems to go back in

(inaudible)

I heard those numbers

last night,

too. MALE PARTICIPANT: Was that reported from

It

was

(inaudible)

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JAIF

FEMALE PARTICIPANT: last night. It was and reported

No, over.

but we heard But I

it

can't

remember the folks,

(inaudible).

(Inaudible). MALE too. (Inaudible). MALE PARTICIPANT: can we provide you? NRC CHAIRMAN still JACZKO: So, again, are we Mr. Chairman, what else PARTICIPANT: Yes, he heard that,

comfortable with the four statements? CHUCK CASTO: We are here in Okay. Japan. But we have about the pool

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO:

--

so,

the source of

the information

was directly from TEPCO? MARTY VIRGILIO: Right, to John Monager.

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418 NRC directly right, from CHAIRMAN JACZKO: TEPCO to John Okay. So, it was it's

Monager.

Maybe

maybe it's

wrong,

but what is

the likelihood,

you think,

that we have a full pool at this point? CHUCK CASTO: It's highly unlikely with

the steam that's boiling off of it. NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: indications of steam? CHUCK CASTO: Yes, it's on the Okay. And you have

-the
Unit 4.

steam. NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: CHUCK CASTO: Okay. steaming more than

Unit 3 is

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: CHUCK CASTO: So,

Okay. is on Unit

their focus

--

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: CHUCK CASTO: MARTY Chairman, at --

Okay.

quite heavily. But recent

at --

VIRGILIO:

K>

the meeting you were just

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO:

MARTY VIRGILIO:
--

Yes.

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: MARTY VIRGILIO:

Yes.

And those

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NRC possible that

CHAIRMAN they have,

JACZKO:

Chuck,

is

it

KS>

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: MARTY Chairman, VIRGILIO:

OKay. Information to you,

at the meeting --

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: classified line. MARTY VIRGILIO: Right.

Marty,

I'm not on a

I understand.

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420 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 1 1 17 1 19 2 21 22 23 24 25 Thanks. Okay. ELIOT: Thanks, Mr. everybody. Eliot. it, this alone. NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: saying you're still Okay. 4? So, you're and, is fourth, that So, NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: again, we're still Okay. Well, thanks.

comfortable with the points? Yes. Okay. But we may spent-

MARTY VIRGILIO: NRC

CHAIRMAN JACZKO:

have some question about the amount of water in fuel pool No. 4? Right. Okay. our Okay.

CHUCK CASTO:

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: uncertainty change any of

Does the

views

about

recommendations? MARTY VIRGILIO: NRC CHAIRMAN 4? No, not the 50 miles. Okay. But the

JACZKO: Marty,

the Point No.

you know what the No.

4 point is? MARTY VIRGILIO: yes, based Yes. Yes, I'm looking at and again, dose

I would say yes, not necessarily

based on -on

radioactive

comfortable with No. Yes. JACZKO:

MARTY VIRGILIO: NRC CHAIRMAN

Okay.

Okay.

Chairman,

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421 1 2 3 4 NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: ELIOT: Mr. Chairman? Yes? hearing anything correct? Yes, that's to Bye.

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: ELIOT: I'm not

5 6
7

suggest we should be rolling back tonight, NRC correct. ELIOT: NRC wanted to add? ELIOT: No, no. I mean, Thank you. JACZKO: CHAIRMAN JACZKO: Yes.

8 9
Ii 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 .18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Unit 3. You know, dry, it, but it it's

CHAIRMAN

Anything

else

you

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: me ask you that.

Chuck,

let

Do you think I need to roll back any

of the statements that I made? CHUCK CASTO: I don't, It I don't think so.

we've gone over it.

may not have been With the steam on is on

certainly wasn't full.

inconclusive of where the water level

Unit 4 --

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: CHUCK CASTO:

-I

Okay.
the best
--

think is

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: CHUCK CASTO:

Okay. 3, certainly on

Or on Unit

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422 CHUCK 2 actions, it's, CASTO: And without mitigating

without adding water to that spent-fuel pool,

--

you know

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: 5CHUCK 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Thanks. Bye. CHUCK CASTO: BRUCE BOGER: CHUCK CASTO: BRUCE BOGER: a little while ago -Bruce? Yes, CASTO: --

It

will be dry?

you lose water. Yes. Okay. Okay.

NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO:

Chuck?

What else do we need to -I think where we were headed Bill, don't go away -yes,

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we're still piping and

trying to figure out how to get the hard the rest of the stuff necessary to

establish a pumping system. CHUCK CASTO: BRUCE BOGER: working pretty Right. We heard the request. and trying We're our some to of

aggressively,

to work

way through some of our -bureaucratic-type encounter. paths going, out there. CHUCK CASTO: Bill things advises

you know, that me we

(inaudible) might got a have couple

we've

but we're pushing hard to get that stuff

That's

great,

and

know

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follow through with

that and make sure that

happens.

1
1 16 1 1 19 2 2 22

If

we've told the world we can do it

and

--

oh,

I've
I

got to go to a meeting with the Ambassador and them, forgot, at 10:30 here, So, in two minutes.

I know you all are working on it.

We to

want to come through on that after committing to it the Prime Minister. MALE PARTICIPANT: to the point where we Yes. Well, to need

we may get

are going

there to sign off on a procurement for Bechtel. 23 CHUCK CASTO: Okay. We'll is. get whomever

24

you need to sign off on whatever it 2 MALE PARTICIPANT:

We're working to get it

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424 to a point where that might happen. him a heads-up along the way, CHUCK CASTO: this to? MALE PARTICIPANT: CHUCK CASTO: MALE PARTCICIPTANT CHUCK CASTO:
FEMALE PARTICIPANT: CHUCK CASTO: Head of the I)ART.

So,
--

if

you give

that's

Who's this,

I've got to tell

I 'm sorry?

The DART?

MALE DART.

PARTICIPANT:

Yes,

he's hea d of

the

CHUCK CASTO:

Yes,

we can get DART. We'll get DART.

DART, That's

we're working well together. no problem. MALE PARTICIPANT: down the pike. Thanks. CASTO: All

Okay.

That might come

CHUCK soon.

right.

Talk

to

you

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