In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

And Salutations upon Prophet Muhammad, the Prophet of Mercy ( ) There are several proofs from Quran and authentic hadiths that those muslims who are in graves and Prophets [Peace be upon them] can not only hear but even reply from the grave and also become a Waseela. It is proven from authentic hadiths that even Non muslims can hear in graves but do not have capability to reply. Proof from Al Quran # 1 Quran states: So Salih left them, saying: "O my people! I did indeed convey to you the message for which I was sent by my Lord: I gave you good counsel, but ye love not good counselors!"(Quran 7:79) . Here Salih (a.s) is addressing his dead people who had already been destroyed, had dead not heard then Nauzobillah this ayah of Quran would have been illogical, secondly what is the meaning of Salih (a.s)'s address? Tafsir Ibn Kathir states under this ayah : Translation: These were the words of admonishment which Salih exchanged with his nation after ALLAH HAD DESTROYED THEM for denying Him and also becoming renegades against Him, rejecting to accept the Haqq (truth) plus giving preference to misguidance over guidance. Hadrat Salih (a.s) said these words after they were DESTROYED AND THEY HEARD THE WORDS TOO In relevance to this It is narrated in the 2 books of Sahih (i.e. Bukhari and Muslim) that the Messenger (saw) defeated the kufaar in Badr [then Imam Ibn Kathir mentions the sahih hadith in which Prophet clearly said that they (dead) hear better than you (alive)

[Tafsir Ibn Kathir under 7:79] Click here for Arabic source Proof # 2 from Quran Quran states: Lo! those who ward off (evil), when a glamour from the devil troubleth them, they do but remember (Allah's Guidance) and behold them seers! (Quran 7:201). Imam Ibn Kathir (rah) narrates under this ayah:. : } { : { } .. : Translation: A young boy used to do (a lot) of worship in Masjid, however one woman fell in love with him and she started to attract him towards herself until one day he got persuaded and came to her house, but he recalled this ayah: { Lo! those who ward off (evil), when a glamour from the devil troubleth them, they do but remember (Allah's Guidance) and behold them seers}, he fainted right over there, when he recovered he remembered the ayah again and fainted once again but this time he passed away. After his death Sayyidna Umar (ra) met his father being saddened at his death, (the boy) was buried during night, Umar (ra) took his companions along and visited his grave, he prayed there and Called the Boy saying: Whosoever feared to stand in front of his Lord then there are 2 gardens for him! Voice came from the grave O (YA) Omar (ra) Allah has granted me both the gardens [Tafsir Ibn Kathir,Under 7:201] Click here for Arabic source

Proofs from Authentic Hadiths :

Hadith #1 "The Messenger of Allah spoke to the People (buried) in the Well

saying: "Have you found out that what your Lord had promised you is true?" then someone exclaimed: "Are you calling out to the dead!" The Prophet replied: "You do not hear better than they do, except they do not respond." (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 452) Hadith #2 Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) let the dead bodies of the unbelievers who fought in Badr (lie unburied) for three days. He then came to them and sat by their side and called them and said: O Abu Jahl b. Hisham, O Umayya b. Khalaf, O Utba b. Rab'ila, O Shaiba b. Rabi'a, have you not found what your Lord had promised with you to be correct? As for me, I have found the promises of my Lord to be (perfectly) correct. Umar listened to the words of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said: Allah's Messenger, how do they listen and respond to you? They are dead and their bodies have decayed. Thereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, what I am saying to them, even you cannot hear more distinctly than they, but they lack the power to reply. Then'he commanded that they should be buried in the well of Badr. [Sahih Muslim, Hadith # 6869] Note: Here the Prophet (Peace be upon him) said , even you cannot hear more distinctly than they , Hence it proves that even Kafirs who are Dead can hear more clearly then alive can or equally let alone be Muslims and Prophets (aleh islam).But Kafirs cannot reply back according to this hadith, Where as muslims have the ability to reply as proved above and will be proved further. .
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Hadith #3 Narrated Ibn Shihab:These were the battles of Allah's Apostle (which he fought), and while mentioning (the Badr battle) he said, "While the corpses of the pagans were being thrown into the well, Allah's Apostle said (to them), 'Have you found what your Lord promised true?" 'Abdullah said, "Some of the Prophet's companions said, "O Allah's Apostle! You are addressing dead people.' Allah's Apostle replied, 'You do not hear what I am saying, better than they.' [Sahih Bukhari, Book 59, Number 360]

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Hadith #4 Allah has declared it forbidden for the earth to eat the bodies of the prophets. So the prophets are living and they receive their sustenance References Ibn Majah narrated this sahih (sound) hadith in his Sunan, b. of jana'iz (funerals) ch.65 (1:524#1636-7), b. of iqamat-us-salat was-sunnah fiha (establishing prayer and its sunnahs) ch.79 (1:345#1085); Abu Dawud, Sunan, b. of salat (prayer) 1:275 (#1047);

Nasa'i, Sunan, b. of jumu'ah (Friday prayer) 3:92; Ahmad bin Hambal Musnad (4:8); Ibn Hibban, as-Sahih (3:191#910); Darimi, Sunan (1:307#1580); Ibn Khuzaymah, as-Sahih (3:118#1733); Ibn Abi Shaybah, al-Musannaf (2:516); Hakim, al-Mustadrak (1:278); Tabarani, al-Mu'jam-ul-kabir (1:217#589); and Bayhaqi in as-Sunan-ul-kubra (3:249). Hadith #5 (Sahaba believed that they enjoyed the company of others after death) Click Here to read more Proofs from Sahih hadiths on life of Prophets [aleh islam] in graves Hadith #6, Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri : Allah's Apostle said, "When the funeral is ready (for its burial) and the people lift it on their shoulders, then if deceased is a righteous person he says, 'Take me ahead,' and if he is not a righteous one then he says, 'Woe to it (me)! Where are you taking it (me)?' And his voice is audible to everything except human beings; and if they heard it they would fall down unconscious." (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 462

,This shows that the Dead can not only hear us, but they are also aware of what is happening in this world.

And their voice is audible to everything except human beings.

Hadith #7
The Prophet [salehalawaalihi wasalam] said :"My life is a great good for you, you will relate about me and it will be related to you, and my death is a great good for you, your actions will be presented to me (in my grave) and if I see goodness I will praise Allah, and if see other than that I will ask forgiveness of him (for you)." References for above hadith: Qadi `Iyad cites it in "al-Shifa" (1:56 of the Amman edition) Suyuti said in his "Manahil al-safa fi takhrij ahadith al-shifa" (Beirut 1988/1408) p. 31 (#8): "Ibn Abi Usama cites it in his Musnad from the hadith of Bakr ibn `Abd Allah al-Mazni, al-Bazzar from the hadith of Ibn Mas`ud with a sound (sahih) chain. It is cited in Subki's Shifa' al-siqm fi ziyarat khayr alanm [The Healing of the Sick Concerning the Visit of the Best of Creation], where he mentions that Bakr ibn Abd Allah al-Mazini reported it, and Ibn al-Jawzi mentions it through Bakr and then again through Anas ibn Malik in the penultimate chapter of the penultimate section of al-Wafa, both huffaz without giving the isnad. Ibn al-Jawzi statement on hadith However, Ibn al-Jawzi specifies in the introduction of al-

Wafa that he only included sound traditions in his book. . He also mentions the version through Aws ibn Aws: "The actions of human beings are shown to me every Thursday on the night of (i.e. preceding) Friday." . See also FatH al-Bri 10:415, al-Mundhiri's Targheeb wa al-Tarheeb 3:343, and Ahmad 4:484
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Hadith #8
The Prophet (salehalawaalihiwasalam) Said "Whoever invokes blessings on me at my grave, I hear him, and whoever invokes blessings on me from afar, I am informed about it References: Ibn Hajar says in FatH al-Bri 6:379:

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Abu al-Shaykh cites it with a good chain (sanad jayyid), Bayhaqi mentions it in Hayt al-anbiy with "ublightuhu" in the end

Hadith #9

Sahih Hadith states:

Sayyindina lbn Abbas narrated that Allahs Messenger passed by some graves of Madinah. He turned his face towards them, and said: Peace be on you, O people of the grave![ ] May Allah forgive us and you. You have gone before us and we are to follow. [Sunan tirmidhi Chapter 59 Hadith # 1055] Hadith #10 Narrated Abu Hurayra I heard the Prophet say: "By the one in Whose hand is Abu al-Qasim's soul, `Isa ibn Maryam shall descend as a just and wise ruler. He shall destroy the cross, slay the swine, eradicate discord and grudges, and money shall be offered to him but he will not accept it. Then he shall stand at my grave side and say: Ya Muhammad! and I will answer him. Reference: Ibn Hajar al-`Asqalani cites it in al-Matalib al-`aliya

(Kuwait, 1393/1973) Abu Ya`la relates it with a sound (sahih) chain in his Musnad Volume No. 11, Page No. 462, Published by Dar ul Kutb al-iLmiyyah; Hadith #11 . Sayyidina Ibn Abbas (RA) reported that one of the companions of the Prophet (SAW) pitched a tent on a grave. He did not know that there was grave. It was the grave of human beings, who recited surah al-Mulk (#67) to the end of it. He came to the Prophet (SAW) and said, O Messenger of Allah (SAW), I pitched my tent over a grave without knowing that it was a grave. The man inside recited surah al-Mulk to its end. The Prophet (SAW) said, It is the rescuer. It rescues from punisment of the grave. Reference Chapter 9, Virtues of surah al-Mulk, Tirmidhi (2899) .
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Objection No:1 Regarding Quranic verse

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Quran says Verily, you cannot make the dead to hear , nor can you make the deaf to hear the call, when they flee, turning their backs(27:80 and 30:52) . Question : Does above verse mean that Dead (muslims and non muslims cannot hear) . Answer : This verse has more of a methaphoric meaning, secondly it refers to the kufaar not muslims in this case Next verse says: Nor can you lead the blind out of their error, you can only make to hear those who believe in Our Ayt, and who have submitted [Quran 27:81 and 30:53] this doesn't only refute the argument regarding first verse which some put forward that dead cannot hear in any circumstances but also makes it clear that muslims can hear as Allah says himself in the next verse , you can only make to hear those who believe in Our Ayt, now let us go and check various authentic tafsirs regarding this verse .

Tafsir ibn e khateer for verse 27:80/1 and 30:52/3 says { { : : } { : . (Verily, you cannot make the dead to hear) meaning, you cannot cause them to hear anything that will benefit them. The same applies to those over whose hearts is a veil and in whose ears is deafness of disbelief. Allah says: (nor can you make the deaf to hear the call, when they flee, turning their backs. Nor can you lead the blind out of their error. You can only make to hear those who believe in Our Ayat, so they submit (became Muslims).) meaning, those who have hearing and insight will respond to you, those whose hearing and sight are of benefit to their hearts and who are humble towards Allah and to the Message that comes to them through the mouths of the Messengers, may peace be upon them.[end] Arabic link http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?...0&LanguageId=1 From above it seems these verses are not for those in Grave even , its talking about non muslims in the world who don't get hidaya and don't listen to word of Allah with an open heart, whos Hearts are dead, People quote these verses out of context without going into Authentic tafsirs or reading the next verse

even,peace

Objection No:2 Regarding Quranic verse

Quran states: Nor are (alike) the living and the dead. Verily, Allh makes whom He will hear,but you cannot make hear those who are in graves [quran 35:22] In above verse the first part is talking about Disbelievers and muslims when it comes to Nor are (alike) the living and the dead and Tafsirs will shortly prove it, In the second part Allah says Verily, Allh makes whom He will hear , this clearly indicated that whom Allah (swt) wills he can hear and its not impossible , its already proved from several hadiths that not only believers but even non muslims can hear better then living from the grave, Tafsir Ibn Kathir on this verse

: } { : . } : { { } : } { : } { : : (Verily, Allah makes whom He wills to hear,) means. He guides them to listen to the proof and accept it and adhere it.

(but you cannot make hear those who are in graves.) means, `just as the dead as disbelievers and ended up in the graves, so too you cannot help these idolators who are decreed to be doomed, and you cannot guide them.'[end] Click here for Arabic source of Above Tafsir The above Tafsir doesn't only seperat the hearing part of dead but says it explains that its talking about guidance and accepting the truth, not about hearing, its also an agreed and acceptable fact that dead cannot accept Islam once they are dead.
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Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Madhab: Hanafi Posts: 46 PROOF FROM IBN QAYYIM The First Matter: Do the dead recognize those who visit them and also hear their greetings or not? Ibn Abdul Barr said that It is proven from the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) that he said: Any Muslim who passes by the grave of his brother whom he knew in worldly life and offers him a greeting then Allah returns the soul back to him and he responds to the greeting

[Imam Ibn Abdul Barr narrated it in Al-Tamhid with an authentic (Sahih) chain, Imam Abdul Haq declared it Sahih as is narrated in Faidh ul Qadeer (5/487), Imam Iraqi in Takhrij of Ihya uloom uddin (4/522), Sharh as Sudoor by Hafidh as-Suyuti, Page No. 273, declared as Sahih in Takhrij of Kitab ar Ruh Published by Dar Ibn Kathir, Damuscus, Page No. 53]

Hence this is a definite proof (Nass) that dead recognize the visitor and also reply to the greeting. It is narrated with multiple chains in Sahihayn (i.e. Bukhari and Muslim) that on order of the Prophet (May Peace be upon him) a well was dug for the dead of Badrafter which the Prophet (May Peace be upon him) stood nearby and called them out as: Ya Fulan ibn Fulan (i.e. O Son of so-and-so) wa-Ya Fulan ibn Fulan, have you not found what your Lord had promised with you to be correct? As for me, I have found the promises of my Lord to be (perfectly) correct, Umar (May Allahs Mercy be upon him) said: O Allah's Messenger, you are speaking to bodies which have no souls! Thereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: By Him in whose hands is Muhammads soul, what I am saying to them, even you cannot hear more distinctly than they, but they lack the power to reply. [Narrated in Sahih Bukhari (7/300-301) and narrated in Sahih Muslim Hadith # 2873 Agreed upon] (Next Page # 54): It is also proven from the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) that when people return after burying the dead then he (even) hears the sound of their footsteps. [Narrated in Sahih Bukhari (3/305) in the book of Funerals, also Sahih Muslim Hadith # 2870, Sunnan Nasaii (4/96-97) and others]

Other than this the Prophet (May Peace be upon him) has taught his Ummah to say Salaam to the people of graves by addressing them directly i.e. Peace be upon you O Believers of the abode.

[Sahih Muslim Hadith # 249 in the book of Purification]

This type of address is only made to a person who can hear and understand, otherwise it is just like addressing someone who is not present or something which is an inanimate object (which is not correct). The Islaaf (early Muslims) had Ijma (consensus) upon this matter and It has also come as Tawatur (i.e. definitely known) that dead recognize the alive people who visit them and also become happy

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