Soul – what and where?

The New Revelations of Jesus Christ, Volume 15, Chapter 18,

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[8] The scribe therefore said: “We already can see

that also with this question we have made a mistake
and voluntarily give it up as lost. Since we have to ask
you, we want to ask you the fourth question.

[9] What is the soul of a person, and where is she

located in the body? This is surely a very proper
question, to which no
complaint can be made!”

[10] The Roman said: “O, for sure, and I will answer it
to you
according to psychology and according to my own
experience
truthfully, although I only too well know, that nobody
of you
know what the soul is and where she resides in the
body!”

89. AGRICOLA SPEAKS ABOUT THE SOUL

[1] (The Roman) – “See, the soul as a spiritual

substance is
completely a person, in figure as well as in all its limbs
and
components according to the body! And if this would
not be so, she could not make the possible perfect use
of its body. The hands of the soul are in the hands of
the body, its feet in the feet of the body and so forth
all parts of the soul in the
corresponding parts of the body. If the body becomes
ill, the
soul is also present in the ill body parts and endeavors
to heal
such. If she does not succeed therein, she becomes
inactive
therein and the result thereof is that such a body part
becomes paralyzed, nearly without feeling and thus
inactive. This is a good and true teaching of all old and
new psychologists. But the question is here how such
wise found out about this secret. This question can be
answered quite easily.

[2] Firstly a sober thinker is guided by reason to it; for

if the
soul is the actual life principle of man in all his parts, it
must be present in all parts of the body, since
otherwise certain parts of the body would obviously
not be alive and would be just as
dead as the whole body is dead if the soul has left it.
And as
such the soul is, already based on the infallible
reasons of a pure and healthy person, undoubtedly
totally a person in spiritual substance and has its seat
– nota bene – in the whole body.

[3] However, somebody could say: ‘Yes, this sounds

quite
good; but where are the tangible proofs for it, which
can only
serve as long-lasting witnesses for the full truth of
reason?’

[4] O, also such tangible proofs we have out of

multiple
experiences of all times, countries and nations! Firstly
are valid those which of course one as a healthy and
truth-loving person has experienced oneself, and then
can the experience of many other people support
one’s own truth.
[5] The strange story from Saguntus in Hispania you
know. The living spirit of my father was a complete
man as he was during his bodily life on earth. This
proves that he also as soul had to be in the body,
namely a complete person with head, body, hands
and feet.

[6] However this is not the only experience in this

field. When
several years ago I had to travel to Egypt, I had a very
strange
experience: I was with most of these my companions
in Sicilia
to sail by ship to Egypt. In the morning we boarded
our large
and solid ship which survived already many storms.
We all gave us fully devout and fervor over to the
protection of the God of the Jews, which I became
familiar with from your scriptures. When we wanted to
depart, the ship could not be made afloat for whatever
price. I immediately ordered a complete search, but
nowhere anything could be found which could have
prevented the ship to become afloat. Thereupon
everything was mustered to make the ship leave the
land, since it was floating in quite deep water; but all
this was work in vain. I, with several of these my
companions stood full of annoyed thoughts on deck,
looked up and down and back and forth and down to
the sea to perhaps find some reason, preventing our
departure.

[7] I then suddenly saw a man dressed in white

clothes walking up and down along the shore, with his
eyes fixed on the ship and not leaving it out of sight. I
called several of my colleagues closer to me and drew
their attention to the figure on shore. They thought
that this could perhaps be a shore magician, and one
had to give him a sacrifice, so that he would release
the ship. We therefore left the ship and went ashore to
the appearance that waited for us with a steady look.
When we arrived at the supposed to be magician, with
a firm courage I asked the figure: ‘You are holding my
ship with your magic powers. For what reason? Do you
require a sacrifice as redemption for the ship from us?
Speak, since my trip to Egypt is urgent!’

[8] The figure looked at me steadfastly and seriously

and said
loudly and very clearly: ‘I am not a magician and I do
not
require any sacrifice from you. However, since you
placed
yourself under the protection of Jehovah of the Jews, I
have
been sent here to protect you from perishing. For if
you
depart now, you, together with your ship, will be a
prey of the
sea during the third hour of the night! Twenty hours
walking
from here a great storm will rage. Woe him, who is
caught by its fury! Tomorrow you can sail and you will
complete your
journey unharmed.’

[9] Thereupon I asked the spirit: ‘Who are you and

what is
your name?’

[10] And the spirit answered: ‘I was your great-

grandfather, a
honorable Patrician and always just and good towards
everybody and therefore also blessed, however not
yet fully
perfected. You will still experience great things on
earth. If this
happens, think of me, who made known to you such
through the admission of the only true God!’
[11] Thereupon the spirit disappeared and we stayed
on shore.

[12] Now, this was the spirit, seen by all of us, of a

living soul
of a body which has died already long ago and which
is already completely destroyed. The soul did have a
perfect human form and spoke clear audible words for
my salvation and proved a power of its will, against
which all our physical power disappeared into
nothingness. This appearance is absolutely true and
can be attested by most of my companions. –
However, let’s go over to another which we
experienced in Upper Egypt!”

90. SOUL AND BODY

[1] The Roman: “We came to Memphis and took
lodging which the local Roman colonel arranged for
us, which was in his large palace. For the first three
days we toured the city, its
surrounding and the old temple and their
surroundings, which of course interested us Romans
very much.

[2] On the third day, still quite early, I observed, that

something was moving in my large bedroom. Also the
servants, who guarded my room, noticed this. I soon
asked them what it was and what was the meaning of
it. However the servants were unfamiliar with it and
indicated that they never before have noticed
something similar. It resembled a shadow against the
wall and then again like fog which rose from the floor
of the room and floated back and forth, as if moved by
a soft breeze. There was nothing that could have been
ignited that easily, since everything was of stone,
even the tables, beds and chairs. We looked at this
ostensible play of nature for some time with mute
resignation, and everyone waited with a certain
timidity how this would end.

[3] But it did not take long, when suddenly this

shadow and fog play disappeared. Thereupon a strong
noise could be heard and a very youthful, but
otherwise very sad looking female figure emerged;
according to the strange dress she resembled an old
Egyptian woman.

[4] I took courage and asked her with my soulfulness

voice who she was and what she wanted.

[5] In the same moment the being stood up and said:

‘I am the
daughter of Sesostris, and my name is Isia. You are
from the
same tribe and can free me from this castle of misery
and
despair, in which I already stay for a long earth time.
Give me
news about a right and true God! He alone can free
me from this long torture; but your and my gods are
nothing than dead
thoughts of blind people.’

[6] I said: ‘Thus turn to the God of the Jews!’

[7] When I finished speaking, the figure became

completely
white and disappeared.

[8] Anything further we do have to discuss here. The

appearance was this time a female person and
resembled a girl of not more than twenty-three years
of age. As a daughter of Sesostris she surely has once
walked on this earth in the flesh, and it would take a
lot if she would not have the fullest
resemblance with her flesh-figure of the past.
[9] But therein lays the absolute irrefutable proof that
firstly
every person has an immortal soul, and that she
during the life on earth has dwelled in the whole body
and after the loss of the body keeps exactly the same
figure which she had in the former body. For more you
did not ask and as such I have nothing further to say.

[10] However, that the soul occupies the whole body

of a
person, I can prove to you by another self-experienced
fact and thus listen to me!

[11] I knew a person in Rome who lost a foot up to the

knee in a battle and then recovered. When I asked the
person if he could not feel, like a back-memorable
notion, the lost foot anymore and whether it seems to
him that he lacks this limb, he assures me that it feels
to him, as if he never lost a foot. In such feeling it
quite often happened to him, that he wanted to step
on the ‘lost’ foot and as a result has fallen down
several times.

[12] From this true occurrence it again can be

concluded, that
the soul firstly penetrates the whole body and cannot
lose as
limb, even if the body would be completely mutilated,
and
secondly that the soul in itself is immortal and
continues to live
after the death of the body and develops further.

[13] I am now of the opinion that I have answered

your question properly. I still could tell you many such
occurrences from old times and from all nations
known to us; but this would not increase the truth of
my answer. And therefore I also have
answered this question fully and as such we can go
over to the fifth question! What are you saying to
this?”

[14] Said the scribe: “That you have answered this

fourth
question quite well, we must admit. But we also admit
to you
that we are not able to ask you any more questions;
since you
are a deeply learned and with many experiences
enriched man, to whom we all can go to school. What
else could we asked you about?! We will pay you the
hundred pounds of gold and by that the story has
come to an end.”

[15] The Roman said: “Very well! In the meantime we

could let
go of this story, since you are now convinced that we
Romans
are not that stupid as you used to believe such. You
now have
seen that we strictly examine everything and keep
what is good and true about it. But since you are now
convinced about it, I ask you and say: Am I right, if I
accuse you of the greatest foolishness that you do not
want to recognize this God-man over there, what He
undeniably is according to my appraisal?

[16] The Pharisees said: “Dear and truly quite wise

friend! We
want to do this and secretly we are already convinced,
that this Galilean can and is the promised Messiah;
however, here we can also tell you an old proverb of
yours, which says: Ultra
posse nemo tenetur (One should not demand more
from anyone as what he is capable of). And thus it
stands with us. We cannot do it because of our office
which we unfortunately occupy. For if we openly
acknowledge to be His disciples, we will be
relentlessly cursed and expelled by the temple. To
where should we go, and what are we going to do
then, and who will give us shelter and food?
[17] Yes, if one could live like the birds in the air, it
then would
be quite easy to accept a teaching, which in itself is
full of the
purest truth, what however is the complete opposite
of our
current Jewish believe! We can thus accept and
believe it for us personally in all secrecy. However,
openly we have to be
against the matter, because otherwise we could not
live
anywhere else. Who considers this will recognize what
we are
able to do or not to do.”
[18] The Roman said: “This your excuse is so futile
and empty
as a blown out egg and does not contains in itself the
slightest
reason, which could prevent you from accepting the
truth. Since you now know and must recognize who
this God-person is, you can impossibly asked what you
will eat, with what you are going to clothe yourself
and where are you going to live. If the highest spirit of
God dwells in Him, who has created heaven and earth
and maintains and governs everything, and on who
depends every breath and every pulse, He will also be
able to give to those who believe and love Him, what
they require for maintaining their lives.
[19] Look at the crowd of people here! They eat and
drink and
are dressed quite well. Even when having clothes
before, they
did enjoy the food which they get here. Also you enjoy
the
wine which never before was in a tube and eat bread
which
never was in a baker’s oven. If you are convinced
about it just
like us Romans, how can you come with such empty
excuses?
[20] To what use is finally your current office and
bodily
provision? Will this assure you the everlasting life?
Who will
one day provide for your souls, if you turn your backs
on Him,
who alone can do such for you, as He Himself
explained it
loudly to you this morning in the temple, that he who
believes in Him, will not in eternity see, nor feel, nor
taste death?! If you now according to your statement
recognize that He is the great Promised One, then
there is for you and for no one any lasting reason not
to believe in Him openly before all people and to live
according to His teaching. – Am I right or not?”
[21] All those who were present said: “Yes, you high
Roman
are right in everything; it is so and forever not
otherwise! Good
for everybody who now has the fortune, to see the
Lord and to
hear His divine teaching, as we all enjoy such fortune,
which we are not worthy in the slightest way!”