Ingen F.

I think it is about time to talk about the non existing "time" again...

How is it if we seemingly talk about something again and again, and again? In reality we
talk about it for the first time, plus a story that we have talked about it "before"?

And - how about learning? Without time, learning is not possible?!

No progress, at all?

Brian T. The issue of time can be reduced to the issue of change/transition. If there is no change
there is no time. If there is change, there is time. I don't know if that helps or not. Another issue
is of that of time existing is implied by ability to somehow measure change.

Vivi J: Direct experiencing 'time' is a great way of knowing about how time is experienced .
Direct experience always and only happens this instant. Otherwise it can't be direct
experience.....direct experiencing 'past' is not doable, all there is direct experiencing 'past' this
instant, is 'thoughts of a past'. Likewise with 'future'. They only exist as thoughts, in direct
experience. Don't believe me - don't believe the thoughts saying of course. Experience it.
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Vivi J: Can past and future be experienced as other than thoughts?

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Vivi J: The apparent lifetime of e.g. the Universe seems to be an uninterrupted line of time. But
it isn't. Universe is 'recreating' itself every instant. Now. Now. Now. Now.
and this is a really bad illustration, since the Now's appear on a line....they probably should
appear as one Now, - 'every' Now being indivisible from 'every other' Now.
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Vivi J: Progress and learning... what is the direct (naked) experience of progress and learning?
January 26 at 12:25pm · Edited · Like

Ingen F. Yes, I know. There is only now. And we have never talked about these things we have
talked about 100 times?
January 26 at 12:28pm · Like · 1

Ingen F. I know. We have never talked

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Vivi J: Learning...there is a thought like 'once I didn't know'

Vivi J: and another thought : 'there is something I have to learn'
January 26 at 12:31pm · Like · 2
Vivi J: and a thought: 'What a progress in society'
January 26 at 12:32pm · Like · 2

Vivi J: Still this instant is.

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Ernest S. I say, "enjoy the show".

January 26 at 1:16pm · Like · 1

Brian T. I directly experience my memories, sometimes quite vividly.

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Scott Williams I feel I've spiraled around the 'same' stuff again and again. Maybe it's like
walking around a really big sculpture?

Or maybe it's an unquenchable thirst. Like drinking sea water, the more you drink, the more you
thirst?
January 26 at 1:48pm via mobile · Like

Ingen F. Only, it is always the first time you come across stuff. Plus a story about spiraling!
January 26 at 1:57pm via mobile · Like · 1

H Dawn S: If there is no time, movement is not possible, speech is not possible. And yet they
show up. Now appears to be longer than a still frame.
January 26 at 4:17pm via mobile · Like

Empty Mirror The best way that I can put it into words, is in that dream analogy in the "files"
section of the group.

The "past" is a presently appearing, self-consistent 'conceptual story', about this now.

Because 'this' SEEMS to be ever-changeful, we naturally, assume that there must be such a thing
as "time', but that is only what thoughts and concepts say about present appearances.

"Change" is a conceptual story.

It's like time is created 'backwards, by thought.

Presently appearing ideas and images show up in the now, as part of the 'picture' of what the
'now' is showing up as. And the "time" part of the picture is painted by concepts. Just like the
"space" part, and the "separate things" part, are painted purely by concepts showing up NOW.

Thought says that SOME present appearances are from a "time" before now, and that some are
actually now. So ONLY thoughts and concepts say that there has been change.
These words are a present appearance, along with all other present appearances, INCLUDING
the present appearances which thought labels "past" appearances.

You are this presently appearing now. Including all thoughts and concepts that say that there are
"things", and "space", and "time", and "change", in this that you are.
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Brian T. What makes experience of seeing a sunset fundamentally different than the experience
of remembering a sunset?
January 26 at 4:22pm · Like

Empty Mirror Thoughts.

January 26 at 4:34pm · Like · 1

Empty Mirror Gunilla, you may find this thread helpful.

February 6 at 10:16pm · Like

Empty Mirror And maybe Neil, or S.C., or Kate, or Kari, or Colleen, or Arthur, or Martijn, or
some others in the group, could add some insight into the non-existence of time.
February 6 at 10:21pm · Like

Kate A: What Vivi said

February 6 at 11:32pm · Like · 1

Kate A: There is a concept/thought that says that there is such a thing as a timeline, something
linear that moves in one direction. This is not true.
February 6 at 11:33pm · Like · 4

Kate A: Using another concept ( ) I see it more like a bubble or a multidimensional circle.
Things from 'future' or 'past' are floating around, in the form of thought, but are 'happening' now.
There is this infinite Now Bubble that contains everything in this moment. And that's all there is.

Of course there's no bubble, or circle, but there IS now.

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Benjamin P: The moment of "no time" can be experienced but cannot be remembered..... so I
could tell you a story but there is only the "entrance-point of time" and the "exit-point" left in my
memory and a short moment when I realized what was going on. The funny thing is that living
this is forgetting what you do right IN the moment. The labelling and commenting habit of the
mind ceases for a period of time....or it is not given any attention whatsoever.....so there is no
time...just one moment being. Mind/thought IS time. Stop paying attention to the thought stream
and time vanishes....not so easy to do is it?...
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Ernest S. The question of learning is an important one. Burnt my finger on a hot stove once
upon a time. If it weren't for memory and imagination, past and future, I'd keep repeating the
mistake. Hooray. The timeless is our direct experience. But *apparently*, "time" is also part of
the experience, albeit less directly, less immediately, less simply, involving thought/memory
(internal representation) in some relation to an apparent "external world". Ignore this, and we
continue to make the same mistakes over and over again, in time. I experience the simultaneity
of both, albeit time contained in the timeless.
February 7 at 12:29am · Edited · Like · 1

Kate A: That time is pretty much an illusion says nothing about learning that I can see. Time is
not linear. Time operates NOW. The memory of a 'past' is not the past. The memory is NOW.
A pattern that is repeated is not repeated in time as we understand it, on a timeline.
The experience is NOW, the memory of past experience is NOW, so it all 'happens' now.
The same thing with learning and then so-called changed behaviour according to what we've
learnt. The memory is NOW. The new behaviour us acted out NOW. A so called 'decision' to act
differently in the 'future', happens NOW. ALL of it is Now.
February 7 at 12:29am · Like · 7

Kate A: And right now, looking at the time now, it is time to go to work now.
February 7 at 12:31am · Like · 5

Empty Mirror All "memories" are currently appearing thought stories about a non-existent past.

Thought makes up all sorts of stuff about the now. It says that there was a past, and it says that
there were times when there was deep sleep, or unconsciousness. And all of that is pure thought-
fantasy.

None of it ever happened. There is only this, now - including all attendant thought stories about
this now.
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Kate A: Right None of it ever happened. And yet it is all happening now in thought. Take a
story from history, for example. In the town where I live, in 1209, there were apparently 20 000
people massacred in one day in the wiping out of the Cathars by the Catholics. This is part of the
town's history. It didn't happen. It is happening now. In thought. In story.
The NOW is ENORMOUS!
Empty Mirror Yup, infinite
February 7 at 1:24am · Like · 4

S.C: I think everyone here has already said this much better than I could, but I thought I'd throw
another story-example into the mix, just for kicks.

So imagine you have just freshly arrived on this planet, and you have never even so much as
entertained the idea of time. You are a time "virgin". It is utterly foreign to you.

Without having ever heard of that concept, everything would be experienced as NOW, and not
even that, because NOW is also an idea. It would just be a singular constant HAPPENING.
Thought, experience, sensations, seeing, hearing, feeling, landscapes, events, all simply… THIS.
How would you know it was a "different time" or "location" without the thought that it was??
Since you had never heard of the concept of time, it would simply NOT EXIST for you.

Thus… time only exists as thought. Thought assembles experience and other thoughts into a
storyline (and isn't that wonderful), but without the thought of time there is only experience.
THIS.

Thought says this sunset is immediate and thus is experienced as vivid. Thought says it
remembers a sunset from "yesterday" and thus is experienced as fuzzy. Both sunsets are simply
THIS, NOW, but experienced through 2 different conceptual filters. No one has any control over
those conceptual filters, no one can make them stop filtering the way they seem to, they are as
they are. No less THIS than anything else showing up in this. 10,000 different flavors of
"sunset" all taking place in the infinite THIS.
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S.C: you would be like, "yesterday??", "tomorrow??", "next year??", "10 years ago??" -- what
is THAT?? there's just this! **beep bop beep, sensory overload, does not compute**
February 7 at 11:34am · Unlike · 8

Vivi J: wonder....would you understand any concepts at all inclusive 'language' As it is known
here?
February 7 at 11:39am · Like · 3

S.C: Haha, no, you wouldn't!

February 7 at 11:41am · Like · 1

Martijn V: If it was even possible, it would be impossible..

February 7 at 11:43am · Like · 2

S.C: yes, impossible, possible... more concepts!

Gunilla S. But what about knowing without memory? I know that i was born and that i shall die
one day. None of this is experienced or remembered, but i still know it as a fact. It makes a linear
timeline frameing my life on erath?
February 7 at 4:17pm via mobile · Like

Arthur D: Gunilla, I honestly can't tell you I 'know' I was born. I'm told I was born, books say
I was born, a birth certificate says I was born, but I'm here...no knowledge of ever being born. As
to death, I'm told I will die, I see grave stones, stories in the news talk of death. I know nothing
of this. Do you?
February 7 at 4:20pm · Like · 7

S.C: Gunilla, yes - and what is "Fact"??

February 7 at 4:21pm · Like · 1

Arthur D: Oh....that word is back. "Fact".

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Arthur D: Usually ties to Truth.

February 7 at 4:25pm · Like

S.C: I was hoping she would answer. But she's not answering... and since we are her, we'll just
answer... fact is thought, thought that says "I am commonly accepted as fact by all people". But
still... just thought. Fact is only thought.
February 7 at 4:27pm · Unlike · 3

Empty Mirror Gunilla, you say: "But what about knowing without memory? I know that i was
born and that i shall die one day. None of this is experienced or remembered, but i still know it as
a fact."

And I say. No you do not know that as a fact. Only thought says that.

If you are aware of this sentence then you can not possibly die.
February 7 at 4:27pm · Unlike · 5

Gunilla S. Well, this become too much of words or thoughts for me to grasp. If i am not alive
now, only as a thought of being alive, then i cannot die? Is that it?
February 7 at 4:40pm via mobile · Like · 3

Arthur D: Empty Said: "If you are aware of this sentence then you can not possibly
die.".....That's clear here.
February 7 at 4:43pm · Like · 1

Gunilla S. That sentence dos not make sense to me. So i am not aware of it i guess.
February 7 at 4:48pm via mobile · Like

S.C: there is the undeniable aliveness Gunilla, yes?

Empty Mirror If you are aware of this sentence then you are not alive, you are life itself.

And OF COURSE you exist. if you didn't exist you wouldn't be aware of this sentence.

What is happening is that you are believing thoughts which say that you are a thing that is alive
Gunilla. Are you the thinker of thoughts?
February 7 at 4:49pm · Like · 3

Arthur D: I'm about to explode guys...TOO MUCH LOVE. again.

February 7 at 4:51pm · Like · 3

Arthur D: and again...perpetual THISlove.

February 7 at 4:51pm · Like · 1

Empty Mirror
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Gunilla S. Ah, got it! This is new to me so it comes in bits and pieces. Thanks.
February 7 at 5:05pm via mobile · Like · 5

S.C: Nice Gunilla!

February 7 at 5:06pm · Like · 1

Empty Mirror Great Gunilla

When you see that you have never been a person, and that you are always the entirety of 'this that
is', you will see how time is just a conceptual appearance in you.
February 7 at 5:38pm · Like · 6

Arthur D: Shift in identity.

February 7 at 5:43pm via mobile · Like · 1

Empty Mirror Here you go Tach

March 3 at 4:32pm · Like · 1

Martijn V: In the play of life there is change, things pass, that is what we call time.. What you
are however is timeless..
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James O. l non-separation --- time and timelessness sutra

March 8 at 7:18am · Like

Colleen E. thanks for this thread....time is such a big concept that touches everything, birth to
death... understand looking at it again Ingen, love looking here too...what is noticed is time helps
create the illusion, story, the show...just like a mesmerizing movie watched that has a felt
beginning, past/future drama and an end...it is a perfect set up to feel like this is real.
March 12 at 4:12pm · Like · 6

Paul S: It allows me to sit here in my sandbox and play. Occasionally, my sand castle collapses
and I say, "Life is so unfair."
March 13 at 8:00am · Like

Empty Mirror bump

March 21 at 10:50pm · Like

Empty Mirror Chiri, take a look at this thread and the "Time in an instant - a dream analogy" file,
in the files section for your question about time.
April 2 at 9:05pm · Like

Arthur D: I bet you made coffins in your prior career. !

April 2 at 9:08pm · Like
Empty Mirror Coffins??
April 2 at 9:09pm · Like

Arthur D: yeah, cause you're killing me...!!!!

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Empty Mirror Heh heh

As if you could die

April 2 at 9:11pm · Like · 2

David F. I don't really have time to get into this right now, but time doesn't exist the same as I
don't exist, well not as a person anyway, time is something that appears in the relative (or the
dream) and its useful in that context, so we can meet at a certain time, its said there is no past
there is no future all is occurring now, memory of the past suggests a past, but its just a memory.
I can't say that all of what has happened and will happen is happening now, I can't even say what
is happening now as it’s already past, or is it if there is no time? The acquisition of knowledge of
the relative requires time, the knowledge of the nature of this that is doesn't, its not even
knowledge as it is already complete and at the beginning both and neither. Anyway enough
rambling time for lunch.
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John Mirra Well if you are here, and there is nothing here but this indivisible knowingknown
then you ALONE can only possibly be this knowingknown.
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Kari Schratz heart emoticon Brilliant sentence. So clear. heart emoticon
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Steven Lopresti Had a bit of trouble digesting that last post of yours Empty, but I think it's clear
now.

What can be here, but THIS? Claiming "I am here" can only mean "THIS is here." "I" can't point
to a person, for there is no person here. "I" can't point to a witness, for there is no witness here.
There's just THIS, this indivisible knowingknown.

What "I am here" is, is simply an expression of THIS pointing to its knowing of itself, its own
knowing-beingness.
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Vivi Bruun Jespersen yiipee Steven
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Kari Schratz Right on, Steven! smile emoticon
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Richard Cooper That is the appearance that appears now. But it is not static. It has shifted
already. Appearances are endless. It is meaningless to say i am anything. And yet there is the
appearance of existence. But I can't even say if that is always here. But i could have a view about
it
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Vivi Bruun Jespersen What is always present Richard?
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Kari Schratz Each Now is whole. Complete.
Each snapshot - brand new. A first.
Thought comes in, linking each Now together.
A story emerges, but it's just thought.
And only thought says anything has shifted.

The past, even a second ago, is only a thought.

I am aware (knowing) of this moment (known).
I am this moment.
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Richard Cooper I can't find anything which is always present. I have yet to experience anything
constant as far as i am aware. States come and go. When i look i just find sensation and subtle
identification. But this is also in flux.
July 21, 2013 at 2:29pm · Like
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Vivi Bruun Jespersen what about life? Ever experienced life not present?
July 21, 2013 at 2:32pm · Like · 6
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Richard Cooper Sometimes the identification is not so subtle smile emoticon
July 21, 2013 at 2:32pm · Like
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Richard Cooper What is life ? I can't find it
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Vivi Bruun Jespersen Ah, OK.
Life is 'This'.
There is always 'something'
and always knowing of that 'something' Right?
(Please don't say what is knowing wink emoticon - words seem needed to communicate)
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Richard Cooper If there was nothing, no sensation, there would be no appearances. I can find
nothing to exist or not exist. Even when there are appearances/sensation. If i look closely at
appearance/sensation it is insubstantial and cannot be grasped. Like water through my fingers.
July 21, 2013 at 3:02pm · Like
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Vivi Bruun Jespersen So 'something' is always known. That is what is always present, 'knowing
of known'

We are not talking about exist/not exist!

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Richard Cooper I know nothing of this. I cannot say there is knowing or isn't knowing. I cannot
say there is something or there isn't something.
July 21, 2013 at 4:16pm · Like
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Vivi Bruun Jespersen How do you know?
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Richard Cooper I don't smile emoticon
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Vivi Bruun Jespersen Is it a belief then?
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John Mirra Richard, you definitely seem to have a very firm belief in the concept of time.

There was never any past moment. There is only this now.

All ideas of past, and change, and time, are PURE thought decoration in this now.

You have said "yet here I am". So what is it that is here?

This *vroom vroom* *yumm yumm* *ouch ouch* *thought thought* is obviously here right
now, and there is only right now.

So if it is here right now, and you are here, what are you?

Are you somehow separate from, different to, or other than this *vroom vroom* *yumm yumm*
*ouch ouch* *thought thought* that is here right now?
July 21, 2013 at 4:21pm · Like · 4
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Richard Cooper Are there any true statements that are representative of experience, without flaw
?
July 21, 2013 at 4:21pm · Like
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John Mirra Richard, concepts are NEVER experience. They are only pointers. And they point
either to DE or they point to other concepts.

The words "I know" are pointers directly to this that is the knowing of itself.

Are you able to separate anything from the knowing of it?

July 21, 2013 at 4:23pm · Like · 6
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Richard Cooper Only a thought can say what i am
July 21, 2013 at 4:24pm · Like
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Richard Cooper Yet there are pointers
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John Mirra Richard, you are ignoring my questions.

Obviously only thought can say such a thing. Without concepts, NOTHING can ever be pointed
to.

Please answer my questions.

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Richard Cooper Nothing is definitive. Everything can only be appearance. So "yet here i am" is
an appearance. I cannot say it is true or not.
I am most comfortable with leaving what i am and if i exist as a mystery.
The same goes for things, knowing and everything else.
Pinning down in any set or specific way does not seem to be necessary and causes discomfort.
I do enjoy a good pointer though smile emoticon
Any pointers on my belief in time would be appreciated for tomorrow
I do appreciate this
And am very grateful
heart emoticon
July 21, 2013 at 4:41pm · Like
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Kari Schratz I get the feeling that perhaps it feels safe to hang out in not knowing.
Is there a fear thought that comes around when it's pointed that You, alone, are This (life, game,
show)?
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John Mirra Richard, you have not answered my questions.

We can ONLY use words. If you want to hold so firmly to your position that concepts are
meaningless, then the only way to stay true to that position is to remain silent.

But on the other hand you claim to know stuff about the emptiness of concepts. How do you
come to that conclusion?
You want to point, but at the same time want to avoid explaining what you are trying to point to.

That amounts to preaching of a belief in HoM.

You are preaching the "I do not exist" BELIEF.

I have worked with people on this before, and I can assure you that if you actually look, you can
discover what YOU are.

The problem is that you are locked into the idea that the concept of "I" points to something
definable.

Is "this that is" definable?

"This that is" is the knowing of itself, so if YOU know of this sentence then YOU can only be
this undefinable *vroom vroom* *yumm yumm* *ouch ouch* *thought thought*

The only possible way to deny that you are "this that is the knowing of itself" is to deny to
yourself that you know of this sentence.

The concept "I" is empty. The concept "know" is empty - but the words "I know" point
DIRECTLY to this that is the knowing of itself.

You have said "yet here I am". So what is it that is here? How do you know that you are here?

This *vroom vroom* *yumm yumm* *ouch ouch* *thought thought* is obviously here right
now, and there is only this right now.

So if it is here right now, and you are here, what are you?

Are you somehow separate from, different to, or other than this *vroom vroom* *yumm yumm*
*ouch ouch* *thought thought* that is here right now?

Can you separate anything from the knowing of it?

And please don't avoid my questions by claiming that the words are empty.

If you are having a conversation then you are using words, so don't avoid them only when it suits
you.
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John Mirra As for your questions about time. We can look at them once you've answered my
questions.
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John Mirra Richard, you say: "I am most comfortable with leaving what i am and if i exist as a
mystery.
The same goes for things, knowing and everything else.
Pinning down in any set or specific way does not seem to be necessary and causes discomfort."

This concern with comfort and discomfort is a sure sign that you're settling for a belief.

Look closer, and lose all fear of discomfort smile emoticon

July 21, 2013 at 6:58pm · Like · 10
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Richard Cooper I haven't noticed any fear (but that doesn't mean it is absent)
No concepts or pointers are this that is or this knowing known.
The whole point of pointing is it is pointing to what cannot be explained. Otherwise we would
explain it instead.
If what i am is a mystery there is no certainty i exist or not exist.
I think that we are in agreement that nothing is definable (mystery)
I reject your logical deductions. These are views.
I don't know i am here, I don't know i am not here.
I cannot find any "separation"
Holding a view or wanting something to happen causes discomfort.
Night, night (i am knackered) heart emoticon
July 22, 2013 at 4:46pm · Like
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John Mirra Richard, I have asked you twice to answer my questions,

All you have done is preach your "nothing can be known" stuff.

You are claiming that what I am pointing to is a "view", which is absolute rubbish.

You seem to BELIEVE that this is all just about a theory, and that your theory must be as good
as anybody else's theory.

Well that is NOT the case. NONE of this is theory.

I am pointing to stuff that is completely undeniable in direct experience.

You are talking about pure thought fluff, and continually avoiding questions about your belief.

Now please read the rules of the group, and answer my questions.

I think you know the rules very well, and I think that you know that we insist on answers for a
reason.

The rules are very clear. Answer the questions or leave the group.
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John Mirra Take a read of the pinned thread at the top of the group too, Richard.

We don't tolerate preaching in this group.

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Richard Cooper First and foremost i would like to say thank you for this dialogue. I am very
grateful for this opportunity to explore. I seem to have become much more aware of views
coming up as views on a day to day basis as a result of it so there is less entanglement.

My theory is only as good as it sets me free from theories smile emoticon

I was not trying to preach to anyone. Just explore things a little.

Empty, i have no idea if/how much you are caught up in your pointers as views. I was more
interested in if this was the case for me. So i have been responding to your questions but more
from the perspective of objectifying views as opposed to resting in this knowing known. I know
the pointers work and do not deny their worth. I am this self aware show. Knower and known are
one as this luminous awareness. These words only describe properties of this/me and are not the
thing itself. And there are no things. There is only this.

That enough preaching for ya wink emoticon

July 24, 2013 at 2:52pm · Like
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Sunni Chapman views are just thoughts. they show up in this. Put a new label on 'thought' and
suddenly it seems to become something much more serious: "beliefs" and "views" and
"viewpoints" and "ideologies" and "concepts" and "properties" and, well... they're just thoughts
showing up in this. simple.

nothing is entangled. nothing can get free. That is the great joke of all this (the funny part is
debatable wink emoticon hehe) and yes, these are thoughts too, and what they point to is
apparent, but may or may not be noticed. heart emoticon
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John Mirra Richard, obviously words are not "the thing" itself. Like I've said repeatedly, they can
only ever be pointers. But words and concepts are **ALL THAT WE HAVE** with which to
point.

What you are doing is preaching the "I do not exist" belief. You THINK...See More
July 24, 2013 at 4:57pm · Like · 4
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Steven Lopresti Empty Mirror: "The 'I don't exist' belief is a form of dissociation. It's a subtle
form of separation. It ignores the fact that the words 'I know' or 'I am' point DIRECTLY to this
knowingknown."

This is HUGE! Whenever "I know" or "I am" is expressed (thought, speech, writing, whatever),
the expression itself, the content, ALWAYS points directly to THIS that is the knowing of itself.
Up until recently I believed that the word "I" always pointed to a person, and so would always
steer clear from it. Absolutely NOT the case when used in "I know" or "I am"! What is the only
thing that can know of anything? What is the only thing that can exist, be? This knowing-
beingness. This knowingknown!

The word "I" is used all the time. When used in "I know" or "I am," it's an invitation to see what
the words are pointing to: not a person, but this knowingknown!
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Kari Schratz Jeebus, Steven heart emoticon heart emoticon
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Vivi Bruun Jespersen Rüdiger this thread could be interesting for you
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Sunni Chapman Beautiful Steven! heart emoticon heart emoticon
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Ray Brooks Great post Steve heart emoticon
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John Mirra Yes, lovely post, Steven heart emoticon
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Steven Lopresti Oh guys. heart emoticon

Wanted to add that "I know" means "I'm aware of," so that includes the use of "I see," "I hear," "I
feel," etc. Whatever comes up, you're aware of it, you know of it. If that's the case, then how can
you be separate from that which is known? How can you be other than this knowingknown?
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Vivi Bruun Jespersen yes smile emoticon
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Lisa Brooks heart emoticon Steven heart emoticon
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Sunni Chapman David Lockert Lie
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Bess Kenway Beautiful!
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Sunni Chapman Flex McGregg
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