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welcome to writing science you can see I

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you know this class sometimes people do

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cheer which is weird to me but not here

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hi you are in school you realize but

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hopefully this class will be fun we're

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going to talk about writing science

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fiction fantasy novels we'll do some

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work on short stories I am less of a

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short story expert than a novel expert

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so the class focuses on this but a lot

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of the principles apply books we take a

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very hands-on practical approach to

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storytelling in this class we are going

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to talk about the nuts and bolts of

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creating a plot of creating sympathetic
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characters and a world building these

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are kind of our four cores and then we

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will also talk about the business

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contracts agents all of these things um

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main reason I do this is I actually took

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this class in 1999 or 2000 when Dave

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Carlin / Bob Orton taught it and I take

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a lot of great writing classes and I

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felt that a lot of them were very useful

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but they tend to focus on this sort of

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express yourself learn to explore your

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style all of these sorts of things you

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get in creative writing classes which is

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great but none of them could tell me how

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to make a plot like how do I make people

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like my characters or hate my characters

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well just express yourself Oh tell me

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how to make my pair of theirs hi people

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there's gotta be a way and then I took

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Dave's class and he took dis approach

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very practical approach and it is an

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approach that you can really only get

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from someone who works in the business

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which is why I continue to teach this

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class despite having less and less time

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for it over the year since because I

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think it is an important resource I

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you need to be hearing from people who

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are talking about the styling for

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writing and you meet here and you people

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are talking about the craftsmanship

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writing we focus on craftsmanship in

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this class now I want to start off

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talking about something I call the

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toolbox the writers tool loves my

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approach to this class is that there is

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no one way to write a story this goes

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back to my early days as a new writer

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trying to explore how to do this

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I remember reading two different pieces

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on how to create walls one was by

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Stephen King and one was by Orson Scott

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Card horses got card in his piece he
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said you know you really need a great

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detailed outline this is what makes

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great plus if you have an outline you

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know the steps and the pieces going

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forward you will have a wonderful story

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Stephen King says never riding that line

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the parer they'll ruin your story if you

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spend all your time working on an

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outline you'll write the life out of it

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and you won't be excited to tell your

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story and it's one of the worst things

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you can do I'm probably exaggerating

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what he said but that's what it's it I

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read like to me right and so at the end

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of that I'm like shows right
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they both write great books they're both

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fantastic authors they both they have

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very different different opinions on how

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you should go about plotting and pacing

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your books well it turns out they're

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both right every writer is different and

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every writer's approach will be

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different you will not plot the same way

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that Brandon Sanderson blogs you might

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use a style similar to how I Pont but

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you won't end up using my style on it in

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fact my experience has been that every

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project you work on you will end up

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approaching in a slightly different way

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will be different and if you like to

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know this is a book too not to outline

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this is a book to discovery right and

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authors do tend to fall into these two

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or somewhere in between most of us do

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discovery writers and architects George

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are Martin halls and gardeners and

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architects but skyberg writers outliners

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both are tools that you can use and my

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goal in this class will be to talk about

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what these different tools do to give

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you a little taste let's talk about

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these two this is not a plotting lecture

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as an introductory excerpt lecture but I

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want to give you a feel for the way

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these different things work so thus

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every right verses outline right so let

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me ask you people who have not taken the

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class before what might be some

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difference is and how these things play

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out a discovery writing is what we call

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pantsing it's where you sit down you

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don't know where your story's going and

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you explore it outline writing is what

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it sounds like you have a detailed

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outline know where you're going let's

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say you discovered writing what kind of

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story might that makes is anyone tried
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it out how does that feel to you yeah

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how does it feel to you you fail okay it

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hasn't feel do risky all right how about

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you ooh

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so the story told itself and you found

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surprises you're a discovery writer that

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doesn't mean you can only discover it

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right but what the way she just talked

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is the way that a lot of the classic

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discovery writers talk where there's

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been writing their stories that get

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really excited

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I have things surprise them and things

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like this let's go back here in the blue

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repulses me Andrew it compulsive
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meandering good way of putting it yeah

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I thought you can't do my characters

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personally and know exactly what they're

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doing I will

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they're my friends you got to know your

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characters really well okay yeah just

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kind of going along with that I felt

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like discovery writing for me was more

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useful in figuring out who my characters

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were having them wander through

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marketing random things okay maybe the

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actual story though super disorganized

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characters really well

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letting them wander new things but the

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story--the um little disorganized yes

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movie and I had been destroyed I saw

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okay Mike movie in your head you rebel

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you saw will do these two and then yeah

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okay where the whole America is that is

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that a lost reference yeah because there

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is a moment in lost you're like polar

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bear oh yeah hey wait where the polar

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girl come from so you guys described it

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exactly kind of where I wanted to go

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people that this is just the way it

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works they get really excited and it

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makes a better story your goal is to

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find out what will make the best story

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for you you tend to figure out your

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characters a lot better when you're

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discovered writing them but when you're

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out line writing your story tends to

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meander less you tend to know where

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you're going you tend to have a better

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grip on it you can have less

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disorganization more organization and

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these are both different tools I find

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outliners when I get to the ending they

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usually have a pretty good ending right

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things come together

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things have been foreshadowed and you're

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like wow how that's an ending that's

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Andrews game right that's an outline

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book he knew what was going on in that

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book and he set up each of the pieces

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the face at the end and it was great but

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for it slightly with your characters and

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these books as you read Stephen King is

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a great example of this George are

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Marvin is another where you read the
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book you're like this characters are

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awesome I don't really know where it's

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going but I really like reading about

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them and then you get to the end you

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like okay so it ended but the characters

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are great all along the way those tend

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to be kind of foibles of the different

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styles and if you know this my goal is

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to let you know what the different

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styles do how they can help how they can

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hurt and allow you to kind of create

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your own hybridized version that

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hopefully highlights what you like to

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have happen in your books for instance

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and style ending in fact there are

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plenty of books where that would

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overshadow the book there are plenty of

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books that are about the relationships

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and how the relationships work and the

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fact that the ending is expected is a

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good thing there are books where that's

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not the case where if the ending is

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expected you get to it in your letdown

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there are books where a meandering plot

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and characters not really getting to

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anything can really ruin the story for

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you and so the idea is can you do a

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hybrid what I tend to do is I tend to

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discover write my characters and then

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outline my story once I know who they

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are Dan wells when my writer friends he

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always does a monologue by one of his

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characters that stream consciousness

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discovery written to figure out who they

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are in first-person voice and then that

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doesn't go in the book that is his guide

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to who that character is the character

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them in a novel there are as many

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different ways to do this as there are

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writers and we'll come back to this idea

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two lectures on plotting their to uh
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plotting to on characters to on setting

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and to on business and then we'll have

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some wild cards as well so toolbox there

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is no one one one right way to do that

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Beck you should listen to every writer

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you need about how they talk about their

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style and then you should ignore

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anything that has to do with this is how

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you should do it and pay attention to

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right when they tell you their style you

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should replace this is how you should do

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works for one writer maybe you should

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try it out my goal for you in this class
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will be for you to try these things out

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to consistently take a tool see what it

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does for you on a given story toss it

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aside and try another tool my goal is

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that when the writing is going well you

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don't have to think much about this

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class when the writing is going poorly

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when you're not sure what to do then you

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go and you say okay what were

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applauding maybe I can look at all these

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tools and try a few of them out and see

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if they strengthen my story

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what are Samson's tools that is

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tool boss and that's the philosophy of

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science fiction and fantasy specifically

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if you don't write science fiction

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fantasy I think there will be plenty of

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things for you to get from this class

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and I certainly don't want you to leave

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you should write whatever you want to

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write but we will be taking some time to

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talk about science fiction fancy things

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one thing I've been thinking about a lot

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lately is the nature of what we call

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genre fiction in the business genre

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fiction means any type of story that

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fits into a section in the bookstore

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that is not general fiction okay which

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is where does the where drama means a

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ton of things right genre can mean you

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know genre meaning young adults versus

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adults versus middle grade genre can

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mean science fiction/fantasy versus this

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it can also mean plays novels short

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stories whatever but in the industry

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they used the term genre fiction I'd

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like you to be aware of this idea this

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idea of genre not because I wanted to
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pin you down and anything but it is a

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market reality but something I've been

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thinking about lately

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this genre fiction and how it relates to

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tropes what do I mean by trucks what are

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some tropes of fantasy tropes and

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fantasy right now hero's journey trope

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of fantasy unbreakable or unreadable

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sword i'm greg google around evil sword

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why is old wizard yes that's a warping

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hero yes mentor always eyes people

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wonder how I called Harry Potter ah yes

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animal companion yeah then definitely

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what about what about science fiction

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tropes of science fiction it's off the
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charts it's off the charts and power

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levels off the charts yeah what's that

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Oh humans but no though no right there

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there is the stroke where it's like the

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humans are are the like every alien

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species has been like thing they're like

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the wise Vulcans for this and then

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humans are they're just people

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whereas in aliens aren't people

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something like that yeah what else drove

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sense fiction powerful evil empires evil

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empires both of them do evil empires yes

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yes yeah yeah yeah yeah aliens show up

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and try to conquer us right spacious

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freaky down yeah oh yes yes yes yes Nile

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realms clone the longer the piece that

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he has to use to fix yet race wars race

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war is very bad yep advanced technology

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there you go so you guys know what the

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tropes are one thing to understand is

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that though people sometimes are

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dismissive of our genres because of

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their tropes there's nothing wrong with

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tropes in fact tropes are useful tools

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don't be slaves to your tropes but

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understand they're useful tools and

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understand that there's a reason why

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some of these things are very popular

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you're going to have to find your own

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balance between how much you use of a

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trope and how much you

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to invert the tropes the thing to keep

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in mind and remember is that tropes do

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not equal fantasy and that's that and

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this is a mistake than a lot of people

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make the tropes are not the science

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fiction fantasy science fiction fantasy

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includes the trucks for instance elves

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have a elves in your book makes you a

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fantasy in a fantasy does not mean you

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have Ellis and people try to go the

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other way

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what does make science fiction and

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fantasy bit if it's not the trip strokes
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or useful tools but what does it mean to

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be fantasy and science fiction if we're

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saying that the hero's journey is not

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does not make something all right yet

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using the hero's journey does not mean

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it necessarily science with your fantasy

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those two are not interchangeable what

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is what what makes what makes it fantasy

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or science fiction if it if it's awesome

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okay I like that one over here if it's

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not set in our everyday normal world

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that's a very good good way of putting

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it we'll go right here Wonder says

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blender excellent

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speculation yes speculation about what
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happened not in the scope of reality

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these are all great answers a lot of

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times is it chosen one or fate of the

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world okay chosen one fate of the world

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I would put as a trip I wouldn't say

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that define science fiction fantasy

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though I'd say much science fiction

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fantasy hazard definitely yeah go ahead

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supernatural elements um so science

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fiction fantasy keep in mind that what

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the things we just talked about wonder

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that's what you're drawing us here

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fantastical elements

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that's what drawing us here as writers

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your job is to boil these things down

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your job is not it the common person can

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say you know what vampires are what

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urban fantasy has earned fanciest

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vampires where your job is to say why do

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people like reading about vampires what

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is the part of that story if I boil it

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down that makes that story six

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at school with his audience you have to

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dig deeper than this rope you have to

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ask yourselves the why on each of the

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tropes and that way when you're putting

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them in your book when you say when I'm

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doing the chosen one I want to write a

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story with this the question is why

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beyond being awesome why what am i

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gaining from this what is it joined to

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my story

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and what sort of emotion is this going

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to evoke in my readers you need to dig

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deeper than the superficial that's your

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job people ask me a lot why is science

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fiction/fantasy

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I actually had a book signing once where

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this woman came up to me after her

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daughter got a book signed and she said

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no offense but the only thing I can get

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my daughter to read is the science

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fiction and fantasy crap ah how could I

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get them to read Chaucer
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I like then diligently lasted this but

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and so I talked to her about this people

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asked me so I was in Nam I was actually

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in Sharjah she's United Arab Emirates um

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last spring part of why you got your

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final leg because I had to fly to the

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United Arab Emirates thank you uh-huh

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you got it

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so I'm in United Arab Emirates and they

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have a distinguished literary

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professional there and we're having sort

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of a roundtable discussion that turns

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into a debate where he says yes but

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fantasy and science fiction armed

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literature you can't seriously tell me
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that science which advance your

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literature he is mistaking the trope for

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the genre what makes us fantasy and

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science fiction is not the tropes and

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perhaps he doesn't like your kind of

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traditional quest fantasy I would argue

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that these are literature but maybe he

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doesn't like them

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and let's wait a minute on those Donald

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well let's wait a minute on them

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but he's making this mistake why do I

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write science fiction fantasy it comes

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down to this science fiction and fantasy

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can do everything that any other genre

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can do you will find fantasy and science

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fiction with the literary styling of the

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great classic literature you read Ursula

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Guin or you read Gene Wolfe you read

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some of these people who are known for

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their literary styling you'll find in

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romance in science fiction fantasy that

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can be every bit as powerful as the best

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romantic fiction you'll find mystery

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you'll find adventure these genres are

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not bounded by what they can contain in

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fact they are the only genres that are

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not bounded by what they can contain the

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reason I write read and love science

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fiction fantasies because you can't

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it is the genre where you can do all of

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this stuff you can be literary you can

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have action-adventure you can do all of

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these things plus you can have dragons

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so why not is my opinion why not write

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the genre where you can't include

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anything that you want to where you can

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be whatever you want to be that is what

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our genre is it is the genre of whatever

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you want it to be and you might in this

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class want to write like our sleuth win

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and Jane well if so I commend you go for

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it do it you might instead want to be

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writing something that is fast paced on

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sarcastic abusing and you know kind of
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kinky innovation face ish go for it

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write whatever you want to write and

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that gets me here

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what should you write in this class

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words words are good with usually

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Werribee why use of certain words

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I'm joking no what should you write in

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this class my suggestion to you is that

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you treat this class like a fresh start

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to something that you set aside whatever

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you were working on before and that you

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start something brand new and through

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the course of this class you try to

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write what the work shoppers are going

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to write they're going to be required to
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write thirty five thousand words

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now you whistle that's not like

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NaNoWriMo they have like three and a

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half months rather than writing 50,000

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in one month it's still pretty rigorous

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it's a lot of writing but I would

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suggest that you try to do this that you

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try to write a couple thousand words a

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week if you write a couple of thousand

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words a week maybe around three thousand

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you'll do that you go over it

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three thousand words for most people is

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about six hours of writing most people

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write around 500 words an hour and

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that's kind of but everyone is different

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you shouldn't use this to be like oh I

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need to get to that or oh I'm too fast

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you should find out what you're writing

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stuff speed is and you should kind of

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learn what is working for you what is it

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that most people around that that's six

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hours a week if you're serious about

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being a writer six hours a week should

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be a pretty decent goal for you if you

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want to become a pianist you would say

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I'm going to practice three nights a

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week for two hours if you really wanted

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to do that or I'm going to take six

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hours on a Saturday and really drill

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into my writing hard to find the time

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for all of this

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now I do want to say in this class I'm

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taking the perspective that you are

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going to be a professional writer you

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probably many of you probably aren't you

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probably don't want to you here to be

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like I want to learn how to write that

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book that I've been thinking about

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writing forever Brandon I don't

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necessarily need to make this my career

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I'm pre-med I'm doing pretty well anyone

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putting that okay hey

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good job saving all of our lives my mom

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wanted me to be a doctor she told me
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she's like you know how doctors all go

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golfing all the time well you could

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write books while the other doctors are

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golfing and still have a real job I love

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my mom she's the count she she's um yeah

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but she also she really really worried

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about me so you I'm going to pretend

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that you want to be a professional and I

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think during the course of this class

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you should pretend that it's okay if you

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don't become a professional that's not

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your goal if that's not your ambition

544
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don't let anyone make you feel bad if

545
00:23:16,450 --> 00:23:21,048
you just kind of want to do it for fun

546
00:23:19,220 --> 00:23:24,350
you've got this weird thing in our
547
00:23:21,048 --> 00:23:26,629
society don't wait where anyone here go

548
00:23:24,349 --> 00:23:28,609
play basketball like you know once a

549
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:30,080
week with friends or at the yeah right

550
00:23:28,609 --> 00:23:32,178
you can play basketball there's like a

551
00:23:30,079 --> 00:23:34,939
war basketball or whatever you'll play

552
00:23:32,179 --> 00:23:39,320
basketball nobody when you get done with

553
00:23:34,940 --> 00:23:41,028
that site so when you won the NBA no

554
00:23:39,319 --> 00:23:43,398
they understand you go play basketball

555
00:23:41,028 --> 00:23:45,919
because it's good for you because you

556
00:23:43,398 --> 00:23:48,528
enjoy playing basketball for a few hours

557
00:23:45,919 --> 00:23:50,600
a week nothing wrong with that that

558
00:23:48,528 --> 00:23:52,069
everyone would probably launch you for

559
00:23:50,599 --> 00:23:54,219
going out and exercising and doing

560
00:23:52,069 --> 00:23:57,500
something like that it's good for you

561
00:23:54,220 --> 00:23:59,179
writing I do the same way if in your

562
00:23:57,500 --> 00:24:01,220
head you like you know what what I want

563
00:23:59,179 --> 00:24:02,750
to do is I want to have the literary

564
00:24:01,220 --> 00:24:04,788
equivalent of playing basketball uh

565
00:24:02,750 --> 00:24:06,710
Natalie I want to spend two hours a week

566
00:24:04,788 --> 00:24:09,259
or an hour whenever I have the time and

567
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:11,028
work on a story because it's good for me

568
00:24:09,259 --> 00:24:13,038
because I enjoy it because I want to

569
00:24:11,028 --> 00:24:15,829
have things for my friends to read never

570
00:24:13,038 --> 00:24:17,990
feel guilty if that is your goal never

571
00:24:15,829 --> 00:24:21,558
feel guilty for choosing writing is a

572
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:23,058
hobby and don't let people say to you so

573
00:24:21,558 --> 00:24:24,589
when you're going to go pro when you're

574
00:24:23,058 --> 00:24:26,658
going to make earn money from this as if

575
00:24:24,589 --> 00:24:27,470
earning money from it were the only

576
00:24:26,659 --> 00:24:30,860
three

577
00:24:27,470 --> 00:24:35,509
it has an invaluable I was out of party

578
00:24:30,859 --> 00:24:38,779
once was soon after I had hit the New

579
00:24:35,509 --> 00:24:40,819
York Times list for the first time I'm

580
00:24:38,779 --> 00:24:44,869
at this party and a friend introduces me

581
00:24:40,819 --> 00:24:46,339
to someone and this someone says Oh what

582
00:24:44,869 --> 00:24:51,189
did you do Brandon I said wamba writer

583
00:24:46,339 --> 00:24:51,189
and she said oh so you're unemployed

584
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:57,590
which you will get it will happen learn

585
00:24:55,429 --> 00:25:00,380
to let it roll off of you don't don't do

586
00:24:57,589 --> 00:25:03,678
that in this case I have indicated all

587
00:25:00,380 --> 00:25:15,559
of us by saying actually I'm on a New

588
00:25:03,679 --> 00:25:17,990
York Times list right now and so don't

589
00:25:15,558 --> 00:25:21,139
feel guilty if that's what you want to

590
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:24,589
do let me get that side but if you want
591
00:25:21,140 --> 00:25:28,038
to write professionally one of my job's

592
00:25:24,589 --> 00:25:31,699
is to tell you that you can when I took

593
00:25:28,038 --> 00:25:32,390
this class from Dave I have heard all of

594
00:25:31,700 --> 00:25:36,319
my life

595
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:39,409
riders can make money writers that's not

596
00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:42,439
a real job writing writing is just not

597
00:25:39,409 --> 00:25:46,159
something that real people do right it's

598
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:49,279
this far-off thing and then I met Dave

599
00:25:46,159 --> 00:25:50,090
and you know Dave the thing about Dave

600
00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:53,178
that was impressive

601
00:25:50,089 --> 00:25:55,099
was I knew who he was because I was

602
00:25:53,179 --> 00:25:56,509
really steeped in fantasy but if you

603
00:25:55,099 --> 00:25:59,089
walk to the average person on the street

604
00:25:56,509 --> 00:26:01,009
said you know Dave garland no they

605
00:25:59,089 --> 00:26:02,178
wouldn't know who Dave was if you have
606
00:26:01,009 --> 00:26:03,919
to walk to the average person on the

607
00:26:02,179 --> 00:26:06,350
street ask them I would what Who I am

608
00:26:03,919 --> 00:26:07,850
they won't know who I am know the

609
00:26:06,349 --> 00:26:11,389
average person knows maybe five or six

610
00:26:07,849 --> 00:26:12,740
writers I met Dave a person that most

611
00:26:11,390 --> 00:26:14,690
people on the street would not know and

612
00:26:12,740 --> 00:26:17,839
he was making a healthy living as a

613
00:26:14,690 --> 00:26:20,630
writer it is totally possible it was

614
00:26:17,839 --> 00:26:22,970
possible then it is possible now it is

615
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:24,980
not guaranteed that's what people meant

616
00:26:22,970 --> 00:26:27,319
to say when they do this kind of

617
00:26:24,980 --> 00:26:31,460
dismissiveness what they mean to say is

618
00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:34,750
ooh that's dangerous because it it it is

619
00:26:31,460 --> 00:26:38,069
a risk to become a professional writer

620
00:26:34,750 --> 00:26:40,619
mine you know

621
00:26:38,069 --> 00:26:43,259
my instinct is you'll have to spend

622
00:26:40,619 --> 00:26:45,479
about 10 years of your life dedicating

623
00:26:43,259 --> 00:26:47,730
to you that yourself to this writing

624
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,710
consistently every week six hours or

625
00:26:47,730 --> 00:26:52,769
more is what I would suggest you need to

626
00:26:49,710 --> 00:26:55,049
be producing a novel year and/or

627
00:26:52,769 --> 00:26:56,670
you need to be of the style of person

628
00:26:55,049 --> 00:26:58,980
that's more like a JK Rowling or Pat

629
00:26:56,670 --> 00:26:59,460
Rothfuss who rewrites one vault a bunch

630
00:26:58,980 --> 00:27:01,410
of times

631
00:26:59,460 --> 00:27:04,860
I don't get those people they're weird

632
00:27:01,410 --> 00:27:06,240
but it works for them either way you're

633
00:27:04,859 --> 00:27:09,719
going to get have to be honing your

634
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:13,349
craft for the next 10 years most likely

635
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:17,490
to get a chance that the job is going to

636
00:27:13,349 --> 00:27:19,409
pan out that's risk it totally is what

637
00:27:17,490 --> 00:27:21,539
I'm telling you is those chances after

638
00:27:19,410 --> 00:27:23,370
10 years are much better than people

639
00:27:21,539 --> 00:27:25,529
think they are people tell you it's a

640
00:27:23,369 --> 00:27:27,629
one in a thousand chance it's not a one

641
00:27:25,529 --> 00:27:30,240
in a thousand chance my class that I

642
00:27:27,630 --> 00:27:34,440
took with Dave there are five of us out

643
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:38,370
of 22 who are professionals okay

644
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:41,430
I was in that class Danny was in that

645
00:27:38,369 --> 00:27:43,649
class who is a professional Eric James

646
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:46,980
stone was in that class his first book

647
00:27:43,650 --> 00:27:49,500
came out a couple weeks ago Peter Ostrow

648
00:27:46,980 --> 00:27:51,029
who is my editor my executive my

649
00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:54,809
editorial assistant was in the class he
650
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:58,049
went on to a career of editing at Tokyo

651
00:27:54,809 --> 00:28:00,000
pop and Kalyan is in that class using my

652
00:27:58,049 --> 00:28:01,919
writing group right now who has written

653
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,779
a number of novels and had offers and

654
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:07,950
things with with New York that's 5

655
00:28:03,779 --> 00:28:11,009
people who hire professionals and of

656
00:28:07,950 --> 00:28:12,630
them three of us are full-time there

657
00:28:11,009 --> 00:28:15,180
probably could have been more the thing

658
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:19,290
about that is of those five four of us

659
00:28:15,180 --> 00:28:21,509
were in a writing group together okay um

660
00:28:19,289 --> 00:28:25,619
and then Eric became a quick friend and

661
00:28:21,509 --> 00:28:28,099
is now in my writing group so people in

662
00:28:25,619 --> 00:28:30,839
this classroom will become professionals

663
00:28:28,099 --> 00:28:33,480
I've had at least one basically every

664
00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:36,179
year usually a couple who eventually go
665
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,769
on to publish on a professional level in

666
00:28:36,180 --> 00:28:40,740
science fiction fantasy writing or

667
00:28:37,769 --> 00:28:43,349
identity there will be people in this

668
00:28:40,740 --> 00:28:45,870
class a good and the chances are not

669
00:28:43,349 --> 00:28:47,069
nearly as bad as you think they are but

670
00:28:45,869 --> 00:28:49,679
you still have to take ten years

671
00:28:47,069 --> 00:28:51,569
examined so it is wise when my

672
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:56,519
said you may want to think about it back

673
00:28:51,569 --> 00:28:59,460
yes that is wise but you can do it it is

674
00:28:56,519 --> 00:29:00,900
real it is an actual thing another guy

675
00:28:59,460 --> 00:29:04,740
in that class going on to become a tech

676
00:29:00,900 --> 00:29:06,480
writer okay even he does technical right

677
00:29:04,740 --> 00:29:09,390
did technical writing for years he used

678
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,559
his English create a real way right my

679
00:29:09,390 --> 00:29:14,310
friends are in the computer industry

680
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:15,869
guess how often they've changed jobs my

681
00:29:14,309 --> 00:29:18,960
job has been more stable I haven't

682
00:29:15,869 --> 00:29:21,869
changed jobs a single time granted I hit

683
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:25,590
the lottery we will completely be

684
00:29:21,869 --> 00:29:27,779
upfront about that you know you you

685
00:29:25,589 --> 00:29:31,799
can't gamble on becoming what I have

686
00:29:27,779 --> 00:29:34,109
become but you can do it all right you

687
00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:36,089
can do it and the people I know who've

688
00:29:34,109 --> 00:29:38,639
been writing consistently across a

689
00:29:36,089 --> 00:29:39,869
decade even if they're not selling tons

690
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,090
of books or things like that

691
00:29:39,869 --> 00:29:43,949
they love writing their books have

692
00:29:42,089 --> 00:29:48,539
gotten fantastic and they are having a

693
00:29:43,950 --> 00:29:51,029
wonderful time with this advanced hobby

694
00:29:48,539 --> 00:29:53,629
so to speak it's totally something you

695
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:56,009
can do be aware of that so both sides

696
00:29:53,630 --> 00:29:59,160
something you can do something you don't

697
00:29:56,009 --> 00:30:01,019
have to do all right pretend while

698
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,690
you're in this class that you want to do

699
00:30:01,019 --> 00:30:05,519
it full-time professionally in the next

700
00:30:03,690 --> 00:30:08,250
ten years because that's what I'm going

701
00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:09,599
to treat you adapt it to yourself once

702
00:30:08,250 --> 00:30:10,250
you're out of the class does that make

703
00:30:09,599 --> 00:30:13,939
sense

704
00:30:10,250 --> 00:30:16,440
all right so that's juicing this class

705
00:30:13,940 --> 00:30:20,120
the last thing that I want to talk about

706
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,559
before we do a few questions is

707
00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:24,779
workshopping

708
00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:28,529
one of the tools i want you to have in
709
00:30:24,779 --> 00:30:33,149
your toolbox is being able to workshop

710
00:30:28,529 --> 00:30:36,990
okay knowing how to do a workshop how to

711
00:30:33,150 --> 00:30:40,530
be part of one and things like that some

712
00:30:36,990 --> 00:30:42,299
writers do not like work shopping for

713
00:30:40,529 --> 00:30:45,299
some writers they are just awful and

714
00:30:42,299 --> 00:30:46,950
they get out of their workshop their

715
00:30:45,299 --> 00:30:51,559
writing group as soon as the class is

716
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:55,140
done that's okay I want you to try

717
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:57,149
because in my experience what did I say

718
00:30:55,140 --> 00:30:58,160
about those five people I know from that

719
00:30:57,150 --> 00:31:00,590
class who are

720
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:04,370
Scholz how many of them weren't at

721
00:31:00,589 --> 00:31:08,389
writing in Fiat for us so what happened

722
00:31:04,369 --> 00:31:09,619
is one day in class I said to Dan you're

723
00:31:08,390 --> 00:31:11,780
pretty good writer because he'd done a
724
00:31:09,619 --> 00:31:14,089
reading in class Dave had a heavy blue

725
00:31:11,779 --> 00:31:16,279
lottery I said do you want to do it

726
00:31:14,089 --> 00:31:17,379
writing her he's like yeah sure we

727
00:31:16,279 --> 00:31:20,629
should get some other people together

728
00:31:17,380 --> 00:31:22,750
and so we founded a writing group in

729
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:27,290
that class and started it off together

730
00:31:22,750 --> 00:31:29,059
years later I was out of commission well

731
00:31:27,289 --> 00:31:31,220
dan and I were really looking at

732
00:31:29,059 --> 00:31:34,129
publishing Peter was really looking at

733
00:31:31,220 --> 00:31:36,890
becoming an editor Dan met an editor at

734
00:31:34,130 --> 00:31:39,160
a party he came and got me and said hey

735
00:31:36,890 --> 00:31:42,470
me and Peter talking to this guy and

736
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,070
he's an editor for books and he's

737
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:44,240
awesome

738
00:31:43,069 --> 00:31:47,179
you should go be part of this

739
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:49,250
conversation so you can meet him we went

740
00:31:47,180 --> 00:31:51,860
and talked to Moshe who became my editor

741
00:31:49,250 --> 00:31:54,410
for like two hours at this party we both

742
00:31:51,859 --> 00:31:55,509
sent him things he rejected Dan's and

743
00:31:54,410 --> 00:31:59,720
bought mine

744
00:31:55,509 --> 00:32:01,279
yes but couple years later Dan wrote

745
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,140
something that was really spectacular

746
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:05,990
I called motion said do you remember

747
00:32:03,140 --> 00:32:08,480
that guy that you met with when you

748
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:10,519
first met me he's just written the best

749
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,309
book of his life you should take a look

750
00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:16,099
at it emotional pegleg addicts and

751
00:32:13,309 --> 00:32:19,490
bought it and then a got published right

752
00:32:16,099 --> 00:32:21,259
um this happens a lot junior Tolkien and

753
00:32:19,490 --> 00:32:24,589
CS Lewis we're in a writing group

754
00:32:21,259 --> 00:32:26,629
together you get these little enclaves

755
00:32:24,589 --> 00:32:28,759
where you can help each other out and

756
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:30,830
you can network and you can share

757
00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:33,799
stories whether you're self-publishing

758
00:32:30,829 --> 00:32:36,470
going traditional publishing hybrid it

759
00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:39,470
is a useful thing for most of us to have

760
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:43,069
a good network of other people

761
00:32:39,470 --> 00:32:44,960
kaylynn in my writing group she said she

762
00:32:43,069 --> 00:32:46,039
told me when she probably would have

763
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,509
given up years ago

764
00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:49,909
if she had been in the writing group

765
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:52,009
with us and seen our success and had to

766
00:32:49,910 --> 00:32:54,200
turn something in every week some people

767
00:32:52,009 --> 00:32:55,759
need that deadline right if I don't turn
768
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,779
in something every week my writing group

769
00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:58,460
is going to know

770
00:32:56,779 --> 00:33:00,740
and then I'm going to feel guilty so I

771
00:32:58,460 --> 00:33:04,039
should write my stories her stories are

772
00:33:00,740 --> 00:33:05,289
amazing she got an offer for tour on her

773
00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:06,779
books but then motion

774
00:33:05,289 --> 00:33:09,069
vanish off the face of the earth so

775
00:33:06,779 --> 00:33:11,200
that's why you can't buy Caitlyn's book

776
00:33:09,069 --> 00:33:14,919
yet but it's still kind of working in

777
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:18,580
that realm get a good writing group and

778
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:21,190
it will do a lot for you but you need to

779
00:33:18,579 --> 00:33:23,079
do it the right way all right so there's

780
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:27,180
a couple of things to be aware of with

781
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:31,179
writing groups writing groups will try

782
00:33:27,180 --> 00:33:34,080
without proper conditioning to ruin your
783
00:33:31,180 --> 00:33:37,210
book they'll do their best

784
00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:39,159
without proper conditioning the problem

785
00:33:37,210 --> 00:33:41,380
is the biggest problem for writing

786
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:44,200
groups is when discovery Writers

787
00:33:41,380 --> 00:33:47,050
Workshop pieces of writing that are not

788
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,549
finished yet if you're a discovery

789
00:33:47,049 --> 00:33:49,659
writer by nature or you have some of

790
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:51,549
those inclinations or you're just

791
00:33:49,660 --> 00:33:55,090
leaning that direction for a while or

792
00:33:51,549 --> 00:33:56,169
whatever you write this piece you turn

793
00:33:55,089 --> 00:33:58,689
it into writing group and then the

794
00:33:56,170 --> 00:34:02,550
writing groups like this is great what

795
00:33:58,690 --> 00:34:05,230
if you did this if that happened to you

796
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:07,539
yeah because then you're like oh what if

797
00:34:05,230 --> 00:34:10,449
I did that oh and suddenly you're

798
00:34:07,539 --> 00:34:12,610
storing of very ended this you know this

799
00:34:10,449 --> 00:34:15,250
cool romantic comedy you're writing

800
00:34:12,610 --> 00:34:17,460
suddenly you know as an action sequence

801
00:34:15,250 --> 00:34:21,070
on the Empire State Building or whatever

802
00:34:17,460 --> 00:34:22,898
you're like ah then someone else the

803
00:34:21,070 --> 00:34:24,940
next looks like no be great

804
00:34:22,898 --> 00:34:26,679
dragons you're writing this why are

805
00:34:24,940 --> 00:34:29,320
there dragons and suddenly they're the

806
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:30,820
characters dragon writer - and you know

807
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,639
you get all these ideas in your hand and

808
00:34:30,820 --> 00:34:36,070
people try to hijack your story and you

809
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:38,950
end up kind of writing to the wrong

810
00:34:36,070 --> 00:34:40,990
audience right into this crowd of

811
00:34:38,949 --> 00:34:43,000
writing for people rather than staying

812
00:34:40,989 --> 00:34:45,039
true to the vision of your story that's

813
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,480
most dangerous for discovery writers but

814
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:49,090
it can happen to any of us

815
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:52,389
so there are a few rules to put in place

816
00:34:49,090 --> 00:34:54,899
that will help number one when you're

817
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:54,899
workshopping

818
00:34:56,190 --> 00:35:01,630
if you're the one giving advice and that

819
00:34:59,980 --> 00:35:06,030
says we're chopping I'm sure you can all

820
00:35:01,630 --> 00:35:06,030
agree that try to be descriptive

821
00:35:06,750 --> 00:35:10,650
instead of restricted

822
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:20,659
what this means is you are looking for

823
00:35:17,210 --> 00:35:22,760
as a riot as a reader places where

824
00:35:20,659 --> 00:35:27,049
you're confused where you can say I'm

825
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:31,340
just confused here not places where you

826
00:35:27,050 --> 00:35:32,510
can say I know what you should do you
827
00:35:31,340 --> 00:35:33,920
should have an action sequence right

828
00:35:32,510 --> 00:35:35,480
here so I'm not bored anymore

829
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,820
adding the action sequence is

830
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:41,210
prescriptive saying your board is

831
00:35:37,820 --> 00:35:44,230
descriptive now it's it's a fine line to

832
00:35:41,210 --> 00:35:46,909
walk because the best editors

833
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:48,949
prescription is what they do that's why

834
00:35:46,909 --> 00:35:50,989
you need a professional editor because

835
00:35:48,949 --> 00:35:52,579
it gets another look at your book they

836
00:35:50,989 --> 00:35:54,399
look through and they say you should

837
00:35:52,579 --> 00:35:57,289
have an action sequence in right here a

838
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:59,660
good editor knows the type of book

839
00:35:57,289 --> 00:36:01,639
you're trying to make and is helping you

840
00:35:59,659 --> 00:36:03,259
make a better version of that book when

841
00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:04,639
an editor says you should add an action
842
00:36:03,260 --> 00:36:07,700
sequence right here what they're saying

843
00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:10,519
is the style of book you're writing the

844
00:36:07,699 --> 00:36:12,589
audience is going to start to feel like

845
00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:15,108
they need something here and an action

846
00:36:12,590 --> 00:36:17,269
sequence is going to help build the

847
00:36:15,108 --> 00:36:20,329
tension the way you want it to be built

848
00:36:17,269 --> 00:36:22,070
in the type of book you're writing the

849
00:36:20,329 --> 00:36:24,619
writing group member without as much

850
00:36:22,070 --> 00:36:26,150
experience might just be saying I would

851
00:36:24,619 --> 00:36:28,579
put a write actually sequence here and

852
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:31,730
this kind of book is just boring to me

853
00:36:28,579 --> 00:36:34,279
it'll be much better for her if she has

854
00:36:31,730 --> 00:36:36,949
more action sequences in her Jane Austen

855
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,720
novel I'm sure even though you don't

856
00:36:36,949 --> 00:36:39,889
think that that exact words that's

857
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,629
what's happening is you're trying to

858
00:36:39,889 --> 00:36:45,650
turn the book into the way you would do

859
00:36:41,630 --> 00:36:48,619
it so descriptive verses prescriptive

860
00:36:45,650 --> 00:36:51,980
try to be in this realm much more in

861
00:36:48,619 --> 00:36:54,650
that than in this realm okay really try

862
00:36:51,980 --> 00:36:56,769
to do that try to do things like I

863
00:36:54,650 --> 00:36:59,358
really like this character

864
00:36:56,769 --> 00:37:04,489
make sure you by the way you're the

865
00:36:59,358 --> 00:37:06,529
positive as well that says possible um I

866
00:37:04,489 --> 00:37:08,838
don't have much patience for writing on

867
00:37:06,530 --> 00:37:12,079
the chalkboard which I don't even have

868
00:37:08,838 --> 00:37:16,909
the blackboard like this thing

869
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:18,859
I don't have much patience for that it's

870
00:37:16,909 --> 00:37:21,348
mostly Ted to keep you all falling

871
00:37:18,858 --> 00:37:24,650
asleep though usually my well projected

872
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:25,849
voice does that stay positive that

873
00:37:24,650 --> 00:37:27,920
doesn't mean that you don't give

874
00:37:25,849 --> 00:37:29,989
criticism but am I writing true we make

875
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:33,229
sure to go down a list of positive

876
00:37:29,989 --> 00:37:35,028
things and it's in a piece before we get

877
00:37:33,228 --> 00:37:37,788
to what's really bothering us

878
00:37:35,028 --> 00:37:40,449
okay what this does is it tells the

879
00:37:37,789 --> 00:37:43,549
author what they're doing right and

880
00:37:40,449 --> 00:37:46,849
prevents them in revision from taking

881
00:37:43,548 --> 00:37:49,579
out the good stuff saying I love this

882
00:37:46,849 --> 00:37:54,619
characters voice that's really useful

883
00:37:49,579 --> 00:37:56,119
for I laugh out loud at this part that

884
00:37:54,619 --> 00:37:58,759
is extremely useful

885
00:37:56,119 --> 00:38:01,789
now also saying this joke they'll really
886
00:37:58,759 --> 00:38:05,088
flat to me um and it was cringe-worthy

887
00:38:01,789 --> 00:38:07,339
that's useful to write the author needs

888
00:38:05,088 --> 00:38:09,679
to hear that the the other thing do you

889
00:38:07,338 --> 00:38:16,248
want to keep in mind though is that you

890
00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:19,579
should discuss stuff yeah that's a

891
00:38:16,248 --> 00:38:22,308
that's a thing you should discuss

892
00:38:19,579 --> 00:38:24,048
meaning if somebody says something says

893
00:38:22,309 --> 00:38:27,319
I was really bored on page two with this

894
00:38:24,048 --> 00:38:29,630
part and that was a part you liked you

895
00:38:27,318 --> 00:38:31,909
should jump in and say actually I really

896
00:38:29,630 --> 00:38:34,640
liked it and then have a discussion not

897
00:38:31,909 --> 00:38:36,379
an argument a discussion about what's

898
00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:38,719
working why it works for one of you and

899
00:38:36,380 --> 00:38:41,449
why it doesn't for another that's really

900
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:44,509
useful because oftentimes one of the
901
00:38:41,449 --> 00:38:46,548
ways of writing group to go wrong is pet

902
00:38:44,509 --> 00:38:48,409
peeves somebody in the writing people

903
00:38:46,548 --> 00:38:51,259
mention something and it will become a

904
00:38:48,409 --> 00:38:53,618
big deal to the writing group or in your

905
00:38:51,259 --> 00:38:56,298
head is the writer getting workshop when

906
00:38:53,619 --> 00:38:57,469
99% of people wouldn't notice it it just

907
00:38:56,298 --> 00:38:58,699
becomes this thing that the writing

908
00:38:57,469 --> 00:39:01,489
group talks about a lot for whatever

909
00:38:58,699 --> 00:39:02,719
reason and so you should feel willing

910
00:39:01,489 --> 00:39:06,349
people have been in writing groups like

911
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:09,729
that oh yeah um you should be willing to

912
00:39:06,349 --> 00:39:13,400
discuss and you should be willing to

913
00:39:09,728 --> 00:39:15,528
offer your your opinion your objection

914
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:18,289
if three people think that a joke falls

915
00:39:15,528 --> 00:39:19,858
flat then that's really useful to know

916
00:39:18,289 --> 00:39:22,049
if five people laugh

917
00:39:19,858 --> 00:39:23,909
and one is like ah I thought it was

918
00:39:22,048 --> 00:39:26,068
French Rosie were they you probably want

919
00:39:23,909 --> 00:39:27,420
to keep the job because there's not a

920
00:39:26,068 --> 00:39:29,308
given single joke out there that

921
00:39:27,420 --> 00:39:30,630
everyone's gonna laugh at that makes

922
00:39:29,309 --> 00:39:31,950
sense

923
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:38,278
the other thing that you need to learn

924
00:39:31,949 --> 00:39:41,909
how to do is to drop it meaning when you

925
00:39:38,278 --> 00:39:45,150
have a pet peeve about a story chances

926
00:39:41,909 --> 00:39:48,149
are that I mean it might be something

927
00:39:45,150 --> 00:39:50,059
you often wants to change but they're

928
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:52,680
going to be submitting this book to you

929
00:39:50,059 --> 00:39:54,930
over and over and over again and they

930
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:56,989
may be working on chapter 20 and you

931
00:39:54,929 --> 00:39:59,788
offered this criticism chapter 2 and

932
00:39:56,989 --> 00:40:02,940
that means even if they change it you

933
00:39:59,789 --> 00:40:07,019
have 19 or 18 more chapters or whatever

934
00:40:02,940 --> 00:40:07,259
to deal with this thing just drop it all

935
00:40:07,018 --> 00:40:09,868
right

936
00:40:07,259 --> 00:40:12,409
learn to be able to say I've met had my

937
00:40:09,869 --> 00:40:17,068
piece about this element of the story I

938
00:40:12,409 --> 00:40:20,098
I understand that the writer has heard

939
00:40:17,068 --> 00:40:23,880
what I have to say let's need this

940
00:40:20,099 --> 00:40:30,059
aspect alone all right now if you are

941
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:32,608
being work shot workshop II you're the

942
00:40:30,059 --> 00:40:39,450
more chuffy the number one thing you can

943
00:40:32,608 --> 00:40:42,568
do is you play shut up that means when

944
00:40:39,449 --> 00:40:47,759
you're being workshop you should avoid
945
00:40:42,568 --> 00:40:51,980
saying anything anything at all don't

946
00:40:47,759 --> 00:40:56,009
defend yourself don't explain yourself

947
00:40:51,980 --> 00:40:59,489
don't don't do anything the main reason

948
00:40:56,009 --> 00:41:02,579
for this is treat your writer group like

949
00:40:59,489 --> 00:41:04,980
a test audience right they do this a lot

950
00:41:02,579 --> 00:41:07,230
for movies right they'll have a group in

951
00:41:04,980 --> 00:41:08,699
will have them watch the movie and see

952
00:41:07,230 --> 00:41:11,699
what they have to say about the movie

953
00:41:08,699 --> 00:41:13,889
without you know trying to defend the

954
00:41:11,699 --> 00:41:17,730
movie they just want to see what people

955
00:41:13,889 --> 00:41:19,768
this is why at the end of Empire

956
00:41:17,730 --> 00:41:21,239
Strikes Back the Millennium Falcon

957
00:41:19,768 --> 00:41:23,038
didn't blow up because in the first

958
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,420
draft it did in the first movie yes no

959
00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:25,670
that
960
00:41:23,420 --> 00:41:28,639
totally blew up and all the tests on

961
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:30,858
this is what that's totally a downer we

962
00:41:28,639 --> 00:41:32,960
hate this movie so like home maybe

963
00:41:30,858 --> 00:41:36,230
people like the winning Vulcan will have

964
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:43,278
it not fill up we will avoid killing the

965
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:47,990
only black guy in Star Wars and they

966
00:41:43,278 --> 00:41:49,369
changed to the ending you have down they

967
00:41:47,989 --> 00:41:51,048
do this a lot with commercials in fact

968
00:41:49,369 --> 00:41:53,180
what they'll do with commercials it's

969
00:41:51,048 --> 00:41:55,159
really clever they have people come in

970
00:41:53,179 --> 00:41:57,588
for screenings and Hollywood of new

971
00:41:55,159 --> 00:42:00,170
pilots they're planning to show new

972
00:41:57,588 --> 00:42:03,440
television shows and those will have

973
00:42:00,170 --> 00:42:05,358
commercials the actual focus group is

974
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:08,240
about the commercials but all the people

975
00:42:05,358 --> 00:42:10,788
there think it's about the movies the

976
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:13,578
the three pilots they do this to keep

977
00:42:10,789 --> 00:42:15,470
them from being too vice if they tell we

978
00:42:13,579 --> 00:42:17,359
want you to talk about our commercials

979
00:42:15,469 --> 00:42:18,768
upfront you tell them that then they're

980
00:42:17,358 --> 00:42:20,808
going to be too focused on they're not

981
00:42:18,768 --> 00:42:22,129
going to natural instead they have been

982
00:42:20,809 --> 00:42:24,278
watching me apparently they've been

983
00:42:22,130 --> 00:42:26,059
using the same ones for like 18 years or

984
00:42:24,278 --> 00:42:27,920
something like that they used to see

985
00:42:26,059 --> 00:42:29,509
these same pilots with new commercials

986
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,130
and then afterwards they ask you

987
00:42:29,509 --> 00:42:33,949
questions about the pilots and say oh by

988
00:42:31,130 --> 00:42:35,210
the way do what commercials do you

989
00:42:33,949 --> 00:42:37,098
remember which commercials were in and

990
00:42:35,210 --> 00:42:38,679
see what works this is what you're

991
00:42:37,099 --> 00:42:41,930
trying to do you're trying to get

992
00:42:38,679 --> 00:42:43,838
feedback like this you're trying to get

993
00:42:41,929 --> 00:42:46,278
this kind of you're the fly on the wall

994
00:42:43,838 --> 00:42:47,808
watching a discussion about your book

995
00:42:46,278 --> 00:42:49,039
and when the writing group is working

996
00:42:47,809 --> 00:42:50,869
and the people are doing this they're

997
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:53,059
being scripted they're being positive

998
00:42:50,869 --> 00:42:55,670
and negative do you want to give them

999
00:42:53,059 --> 00:42:57,259
two things they're discussing all of

1000
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:59,630
this stuff you can just be taking those

1001
00:42:57,259 --> 00:43:01,880
saying okay this is working they're

1002
00:42:59,630 --> 00:43:03,108
confused at the right place because I'm

1003
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,640
going to describe this in the next
1004
00:43:03,108 --> 00:43:06,588
chapter and so it'll be a nice

1005
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:09,259
counterpart to them wandering about in

1006
00:43:06,588 --> 00:43:11,420
this chapter or oh they were supposed to

1007
00:43:09,259 --> 00:43:13,250
get that by now I should make sure that

1008
00:43:11,420 --> 00:43:15,170
this is explained in future drafts the

1009
00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:17,329
book that is your goal in the writing

1010
00:43:15,170 --> 00:43:19,159
group it is not to get makes you write a

1011
00:43:17,329 --> 00:43:21,798
group to your great writer I know you

1012
00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:25,190
all are I know that it's really painful

1013
00:43:21,798 --> 00:43:26,538
to hear them discussing how they didn't

1014
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:28,789
work when you're like but no it's

1015
00:43:26,539 --> 00:43:30,970
brilliant if I could just tell you it's

1016
00:43:28,789 --> 00:43:34,210
brilliant and you'll know I'm brilliant

1017
00:43:30,969 --> 00:43:36,669
um people who like my books least are my

1018
00:43:34,210 --> 00:43:39,099
best friends because they read the bad
1019
00:43:36,670 --> 00:43:40,690
versions right of my books in fact I

1020
00:43:39,099 --> 00:43:43,150
have I've had people of my writing here

1021
00:43:40,690 --> 00:43:46,000
on Allen who's been in for years he read

1022
00:43:43,150 --> 00:43:47,740
one of my books that I had workshop on

1023
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,880
the wranger because I just had run out

1024
00:43:47,739 --> 00:43:50,919
of time he read the thing and came back

1025
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:56,500
to forgot that you're a good writer

1026
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:58,510
Brandon because he had only ever read

1027
00:43:56,500 --> 00:44:01,030
first draft for like the last few years

1028
00:43:58,510 --> 00:44:02,619
that's what he'd been reading so you

1029
00:44:01,030 --> 00:44:04,690
just have to throw the writing your

1030
00:44:02,619 --> 00:44:06,670
tools and understand that they're not

1031
00:44:04,690 --> 00:44:08,079
going to get your your perfect stuff and

1032
00:44:06,670 --> 00:44:12,190
maybe they'll read it afterward it'll be

1033
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:14,318
great don't defend yourself don't argue

1034
00:44:12,190 --> 00:44:17,108
with people in the writing group on

1035
00:44:14,318 --> 00:44:20,230
occasion at the end you can ask

1036
00:44:17,108 --> 00:44:23,170
questions if you want something explain

1037
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:24,849
more but try to let them talk first and

1038
00:44:23,170 --> 00:44:26,889
then ask some questions at the end it's

1039
00:44:24,849 --> 00:44:29,859
very hard you 15 they're in my workshop

1040
00:44:26,889 --> 00:44:31,659
I'm going to make you do this okay I'm

1041
00:44:29,858 --> 00:44:35,259
gonna watch you in writing groups and if

1042
00:44:31,659 --> 00:44:37,269
you talk I mean I got no talking but the

1043
00:44:35,260 --> 00:44:39,130
rest of you run the running groups how

1044
00:44:37,269 --> 00:44:43,358
you want what we do in my reading group

1045
00:44:39,130 --> 00:44:44,470
is we do it once a week in person I like

1046
00:44:43,358 --> 00:44:47,049
writing written person I don't like

1047
00:44:44,469 --> 00:44:50,769
Skype writing groups I like once a week

1048
00:44:47,050 --> 00:44:52,568
because I from the get-go it was like

1049
00:44:50,769 --> 00:44:54,789
I'm going to be a professional this is

1050
00:44:52,568 --> 00:44:57,009
what I want to do and so I put people in

1051
00:44:54,789 --> 00:45:00,039
my writing group who wrote as much as I

1052
00:44:57,010 --> 00:45:01,839
did that was the goal I really have

1053
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:02,739
never found anyone who actually writes

1054
00:45:01,838 --> 00:45:05,409
as much as I do

1055
00:45:02,739 --> 00:45:08,078
huh they get you back in time and be

1056
00:45:05,409 --> 00:45:10,000
with asthma but but not a lot of people

1057
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:12,730
who could consistently submit every week

1058
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,619
a chapter or two so that we could

1059
00:45:12,730 --> 00:45:17,079
actually have things to discuss

1060
00:45:14,619 --> 00:45:18,970
and dig into in your own writing group

1061
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:20,530
you may want to be like we submit every

1062
00:45:18,969 --> 00:45:22,299
other week and there's like six of us we
1063
00:45:20,530 --> 00:45:25,180
do three pieces a week because we don't

1064
00:45:22,300 --> 00:45:26,530
we're not crazy like Brandon you might

1065
00:45:25,179 --> 00:45:28,000
want to but you want to have a writing

1066
00:45:26,530 --> 00:45:29,440
group where you're consistently all kind

1067
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,969
of on the same page would be my

1068
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,519
suggestion I'll get to the question just

1069
00:45:30,969 --> 00:45:34,318
a second where you all kind of writing

1070
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:38,038
at the same

1071
00:45:34,318 --> 00:45:39,869
sort of leveled at the very least maybe

1072
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:41,669
have a couple of every other week errs

1073
00:45:39,869 --> 00:45:42,088
and a couple of weekers if that makes

1074
00:45:41,668 --> 00:45:43,228
sense

1075
00:45:42,088 --> 00:45:46,409
this is what we actually do in my

1076
00:45:43,228 --> 00:45:49,259
writing group is Kalin and me dad moved

1077
00:45:46,409 --> 00:45:51,298
to Germany and then has to come back yet
1078
00:45:49,259 --> 00:45:52,889
Micaela and me submit every week and

1079
00:45:51,298 --> 00:45:54,958
then two of four other people actually

1080
00:45:52,889 --> 00:45:57,598
kind of alternate so we have three or

1081
00:45:54,958 --> 00:46:06,928
four submissions every week what was

1082
00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:10,259
your question yes I would suggest if you

1083
00:46:06,929 --> 00:46:12,088
can write an entire book and then

1084
00:46:10,259 --> 00:46:15,989
workshop it while you're writing

1085
00:46:12,088 --> 00:46:17,639
something else does that make sense if

1086
00:46:15,989 --> 00:46:21,869
you're in the 15 you're not gonna have

1087
00:46:17,639 --> 00:46:24,298
that luxury but most discovery I do I

1088
00:46:21,869 --> 00:46:25,919
know this works until they get a real

1089
00:46:24,298 --> 00:46:26,548
handle on their style and what they want

1090
00:46:25,918 --> 00:46:28,918
to do with books

1091
00:46:26,548 --> 00:46:30,449
kaylynn she the discovered writer in my

1092
00:46:28,918 --> 00:46:32,578
writing group right now she can write

1093
00:46:30,449 --> 00:46:34,528
something and submitted and she can keep

1094
00:46:32,579 --> 00:46:36,269
the writing hurt from knocking it off

1095
00:46:34,528 --> 00:46:38,699
the rails at the same time we've

1096
00:46:36,268 --> 00:46:40,228
workshop a lot so we know like we're

1097
00:46:38,699 --> 00:46:42,838
like oh this is the type of story you're

1098
00:46:40,228 --> 00:46:44,188
trying to write let's help you make a

1099
00:46:42,838 --> 00:46:45,838
better version of that if you as a

1100
00:46:44,188 --> 00:46:47,489
discovery writer be like this is the

1101
00:46:45,838 --> 00:46:49,228
type of story I'm writing I'm writing

1102
00:46:47,489 --> 00:46:51,688
this and the class will help you decide

1103
00:46:49,228 --> 00:46:53,998
that these are Michaels these are the

1104
00:46:51,688 --> 00:46:56,368
things I'm approaching in it then you

1105
00:46:53,998 --> 00:46:58,318
can learn to dismiss which writing your

1106
00:46:56,369 --> 00:47:02,039
comments would send you off down that

1107
00:46:58,318 --> 00:47:04,528
weird path that make sense in a given

1108
00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:06,630
writing your session I will usually take

1109
00:47:04,528 --> 00:47:09,329
about a third of the comments that are

1110
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:11,099
given and make changes according to them

1111
00:47:09,329 --> 00:47:14,009
and those third are usually really

1112
00:47:11,099 --> 00:47:16,079
important things to be changing so it's

1113
00:47:14,009 --> 00:47:17,838
still very useful to me but it's not

1114
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:20,459
like if what everyone says I do

1115
00:47:17,838 --> 00:47:23,998
sometimes I'm like even though everyone

1116
00:47:20,458 --> 00:47:27,208
else says it's wrong I'm like no I want

1117
00:47:23,998 --> 00:47:30,629
to do what I want to do so all right

1118
00:47:27,208 --> 00:47:32,098
let's go to other questions anything you

1119
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:34,949
guys want to know about anything I've

1120
00:47:32,099 --> 00:47:39,409
talked about here or the structure of

1121
00:47:34,949 --> 00:47:39,409
the class or things like that yeah
1122
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:49,858
Wood Green Mile Steven teens read mile

1123
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:50,699
well as I understand the prisoner can

1124
00:47:49,858 --> 00:47:54,000
see the future

1125
00:47:50,699 --> 00:47:56,429
right yeah I would totally put that the

1126
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,929
thing is it's whatever you want to be

1127
00:47:56,429 --> 00:47:59,639
science fiction fantasy is whatever you

1128
00:47:57,929 --> 00:48:02,129
want to be here's here's a thing to

1129
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:03,779
remember every book every fiction book

1130
00:48:02,130 --> 00:48:06,539
and even the most on fiction are

1131
00:48:03,780 --> 00:48:10,410
creating a world now that world might be

1132
00:48:06,539 --> 00:48:12,779
Regency England and the rules of that

1133
00:48:10,409 --> 00:48:14,639
universe might be that people are nice

1134
00:48:12,780 --> 00:48:15,930
to each other for the most part and if

1135
00:48:14,639 --> 00:48:18,420
they aren't nice to each other bad

1136
00:48:15,929 --> 00:48:20,639
things happen and at the end the guy in
1137
00:48:18,420 --> 00:48:22,309
the girl hotel that might be the rules

1138
00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:27,618
but you know that's a Jane Austen novel

1139
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:31,139
those rules are there almost fantastical

1140
00:48:27,619 --> 00:48:33,480
right not quite but almost you get to

1141
00:48:31,139 --> 00:48:36,210
define what your book is we'll talk

1142
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,230
about like most of the bookstores genre

1143
00:48:36,210 --> 00:48:40,800
descriptions and things

1144
00:48:37,230 --> 00:48:42,389
these are marketing descriptors and so

1145
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,000
once you have your book in hand

1146
00:48:42,389 --> 00:48:47,819
my suggestion is read whatever you want

1147
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:50,579
to write get the book in hand and then

1148
00:48:47,820 --> 00:48:52,740
decide what to do with it I have to joke

1149
00:48:50,579 --> 00:48:54,809
that when I'm the artist I have it on

1150
00:48:52,739 --> 00:48:57,899
the artists hat when I'm writing my book

1151
00:48:54,809 --> 00:48:59,549
I don't think about markets at all I

1152
00:48:57,900 --> 00:49:01,559
don't think I think about providing the

1153
00:48:59,550 --> 00:49:03,570
most awesome incredible book that I can

1154
00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:06,719
write of that style than I'm trying

1155
00:49:03,570 --> 00:49:09,180
right once I'm done I lock the artist in

1156
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:11,338
closet I grab a manuscript and I run

1157
00:49:09,179 --> 00:49:13,259
away cackling and then I find every

1158
00:49:11,338 --> 00:49:15,509
feasible method of explaining that as

1159
00:49:13,260 --> 00:49:16,680
possible in order to get more food for

1160
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:20,400
the artists so they can go do their

1161
00:49:16,679 --> 00:49:23,219
thing right I think that's a good way to

1162
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:25,619
start thinking about it write the book

1163
00:49:23,219 --> 00:49:29,909
you're passionate about usually what I

1164
00:49:25,619 --> 00:49:34,289
suggest to people is this write what you

1165
00:49:29,909 --> 00:49:36,838
wish were out there okay find the hole

1166
00:49:34,289 --> 00:49:39,960
right don't just write what you've seen

1167
00:49:36,838 --> 00:49:42,690
before write what you wish the things

1168
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:45,990
you've seen before we're doing that

1169
00:49:42,690 --> 00:49:46,659
nobody is with me I was like I love epic

1170
00:49:45,989 --> 00:49:48,969
fantasy

1171
00:49:46,659 --> 00:49:50,769
I feel like this is the late 90s where

1172
00:49:48,969 --> 00:49:52,659
it's given to this I'm seeing the same

1173
00:49:50,769 --> 00:49:54,579
story over and over again that's getting

1174
00:49:52,659 --> 00:49:58,420
kind of boring I'm saying two similar

1175
00:49:54,579 --> 00:50:00,340
worlds it's too similar magics and so

1176
00:49:58,420 --> 00:50:03,280
when I sat down Brenda like that I'm

1177
00:50:00,340 --> 00:50:04,510
going to use what I love but I'm going

1178
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,269
to find the home and I write these

1179
00:50:04,510 --> 00:50:08,740
really intricate magic systems that when

1180
00:50:07,269 --> 00:50:11,199
people go they like I've never been in
1181
00:50:08,739 --> 00:50:13,629
this world before that's what what the

1182
00:50:11,199 --> 00:50:15,579
whole was for me find what yours is

1183
00:50:13,630 --> 00:50:19,210
right find what the things you're loving

1184
00:50:15,579 --> 00:50:27,750
to read aren't doing and do that but

1185
00:50:19,210 --> 00:50:27,750
yeah dream on sure other questions yeah

1186
00:50:34,130 --> 00:50:45,079
I feel like your characters are products

1187
00:50:35,900 --> 00:50:51,800
of which right so it's a sorry folks

1188
00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:56,079
I would really fit into the difference

1189
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:59,090
between discovery and outlining so

1190
00:50:56,079 --> 00:51:01,130
discovery writers will often not do a

1191
00:50:59,090 --> 00:51:03,530
ton of real building ahead of time and

1192
00:51:01,130 --> 00:51:05,150
they will worl build along and they'll

1193
00:51:03,530 --> 00:51:08,090
they'll have these in estates we like to

1194
00:51:05,150 --> 00:51:10,099
know what religions probably really

1195
00:51:08,090 --> 00:51:12,440
important this character so what are the
1196
00:51:10,099 --> 00:51:14,029
religions and then they'll stop in the

1197
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,860
world built a little but put it in their

1198
00:51:14,030 --> 00:51:16,940
notes file they'll explore it maybe on

1199
00:51:15,860 --> 00:51:18,230
the page where they even put in the

1200
00:51:16,940 --> 00:51:21,289
notes pile and see if it works and then

1201
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:23,059
they'll go stick in the notes file that

1202
00:51:21,289 --> 00:51:24,769
happens very commonly there are plenty

1203
00:51:23,059 --> 00:51:26,809
of discovery writers who are like I'm

1204
00:51:24,769 --> 00:51:28,309
going to do a big world and then I'm

1205
00:51:26,809 --> 00:51:30,679
going to set someone in it and see where

1206
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:32,480
they go that's perfectly acceptable as

1207
00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:33,829
well one thing to remember for those of

1208
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,329
you who are discovering writers one of

1209
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:37,279
the things that helps luck is to

1210
00:51:35,329 --> 00:51:39,349
understand that discovered writers are

1211
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:42,110
basically writing their outline as a

1212
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:43,969
draft of their album the best discovery

1213
00:51:42,110 --> 00:51:45,410
writers the way they litigate this whole

1214
00:51:43,969 --> 00:51:47,539
plotting thing so they write the whole

1215
00:51:45,409 --> 00:51:49,429
book than like okay now I know my books

1216
00:51:47,539 --> 00:51:51,380
about picking and then they go back and

1217
00:51:49,429 --> 00:51:53,119
they revise or even put it aside and

1218
00:51:51,380 --> 00:51:55,340
write from scratch again that's the

1219
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:57,139
extreme method or they just revise no

1220
00:51:55,340 --> 00:51:58,880
knowing what they're ending is and using

1221
00:51:57,139 --> 00:52:01,069
the first wrap the rope as an outline

1222
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:04,039
we're discovered writing goes wrong is

1223
00:52:01,070 --> 00:52:06,019
when they write a chapter and then they

1224
00:52:04,039 --> 00:52:08,029
write the second chapter and say oh I

1225
00:52:06,019 --> 00:52:10,309
don't my story's about now I'd better go

1226
00:52:08,030 --> 00:52:12,080
fix that first chapter to match my

1227
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:13,489
second chapter and then they revise the

1228
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:14,900
first chapter and then like woohoo I can

1229
00:52:13,489 --> 00:52:16,399
move some cool things I'll revise my

1230
00:52:14,900 --> 00:52:18,800
second chapter now match the first

1231
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:21,440
chapter and then they're like oh but now

1232
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:23,960
I know who this and so you get this this

1233
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:26,090
loop where you're always revising these

1234
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:28,099
same chapters and each version is so

1235
00:52:26,090 --> 00:52:30,140
different it could be like 17 different

1236
00:52:28,099 --> 00:52:32,000
beginnings two different books that's

1237
00:52:30,139 --> 00:52:34,309
where you get in kind of this feedback

1238
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:37,659
loop as a discovery writer but to be

1239
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:40,190
very dangerous you need to finish things
1240
00:52:37,659 --> 00:52:41,599
finishing things even as discovery

1241
00:52:40,190 --> 00:52:43,760
writer you won't know until you're done

1242
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:44,739
with your book that's a really good

1243
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,869
skill to get

1244
00:52:44,739 --> 00:52:58,139
not abandoning the story to keep keeping

1245
00:52:46,869 --> 00:52:58,140
on going I have an idea for it but I

1246
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:07,300
yeah and I ton of like brainstorming all

1247
00:53:04,838 --> 00:53:11,858
on this particular yes would you suggest

1248
00:53:07,300 --> 00:53:15,400
just like going at I would suggest doing

1249
00:53:11,858 --> 00:53:17,289
what you want to do trying a chapter if

1250
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,329
you always been an outliner so the

1251
00:53:17,289 --> 00:53:21,338
question I repeat them for the camera

1252
00:53:19,329 --> 00:53:23,440
okay so question is you've always been

1253
00:53:21,338 --> 00:53:26,108
an outliner you've got an idea in this

1254
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:29,200
class you're like um should I spend time
1255
00:53:26,108 --> 00:53:30,969
brainstorming or just go for it just

1256
00:53:29,199 --> 00:53:32,348
going for it once in a while is very

1257
00:53:30,969 --> 00:53:34,569
useful if you've never done it and

1258
00:53:32,349 --> 00:53:37,059
seeing what you can learn from discovery

1259
00:53:34,570 --> 00:53:39,280
writing but if for instance the class of

1260
00:53:37,059 --> 00:53:40,929
the official 15 I'm going to give them a

1261
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:44,140
week before they actually have to turn

1262
00:53:40,929 --> 00:53:45,309
in something new this edition for next

1263
00:53:44,139 --> 00:53:48,219
week can be something they've worked on

1264
00:53:45,309 --> 00:53:50,019
before and so you can give yourself a

1265
00:53:48,219 --> 00:53:53,259
couple of weeks to get going the danger

1266
00:53:50,019 --> 00:53:54,940
for outliners oh I erased it outliners

1267
00:53:53,260 --> 00:53:57,760
have a danger of what we call grill

1268
00:53:54,940 --> 00:54:00,579
village disease where they say I can't

1269
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:03,490
start my story until it's perfect in my

1270
00:54:00,579 --> 00:54:05,230
head or on my outline and so they spend

1271
00:54:03,489 --> 00:54:09,338
the next twenty years professor Phil

1272
00:54:05,230 --> 00:54:10,809
keen on this perfect world and you know

1273
00:54:09,338 --> 00:54:13,960
if your professor Colton you can go

1274
00:54:10,809 --> 00:54:15,730
ahead and then they never actually write

1275
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,960
their book now that's fine if you're

1276
00:54:15,730 --> 00:54:18,130
like you know you're a role player

1277
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,050
you're like I just want to build this

1278
00:54:18,130 --> 00:54:21,608
cool world for my friends to roleplay it

1279
00:54:20,050 --> 00:54:22,690
and I'll eventually write stories like

1280
00:54:21,608 --> 00:54:23,799
no big deal

1281
00:54:22,690 --> 00:54:25,809
but if you want to be a professional

1282
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,670
writer today's market you need to

1283
00:54:25,809 --> 00:54:29,500
complete a book in here that's what your

1284
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:33,700
goal is going to be one book a year if

1285
00:54:29,500 --> 00:54:36,489
you can do two that's even better but at

1286
00:54:33,699 --> 00:54:38,618
least one book a year if you spend 20

1287
00:54:36,489 --> 00:54:40,618
years roof building you're not going to

1288
00:54:38,619 --> 00:54:44,079
have a book for 21 years

1289
00:54:40,619 --> 00:54:45,829
probably so you need to learn to speed

1290
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:47,119
it up and to focus your

1291
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:49,068
what's useful to you and during our

1292
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:52,369
world building lectures we'll talk about

1293
00:54:49,068 --> 00:54:54,469
that okay all right let's do like one

1294
00:54:52,369 --> 00:54:56,690
more question if there is one and then

1295
00:54:54,469 --> 00:54:58,369
we're going to break to go to split up

1296
00:54:56,690 --> 00:55:00,889
to write over today's well last question

1297
00:54:58,369 --> 00:55:07,190
all right if you're not quite sure of

1298
00:55:00,889 --> 00:55:10,969
your discovery I'd like to ask if you
1299
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:13,759
write an outline yeah

1300
00:55:10,969 --> 00:55:17,690
basically the weak skeleton just

1301
00:55:13,759 --> 00:55:19,278
discovered right is it dangerous to

1302
00:55:17,690 --> 00:55:22,130
change your outline or kind of your

1303
00:55:19,278 --> 00:55:26,208
outline some weak skeleton no in fact

1304
00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:29,059
almost every outline writer I know uses

1305
00:55:26,208 --> 00:55:32,149
the on line as changing skeleton I'm

1306
00:55:29,059 --> 00:55:34,009
pretty outlining and my skeleton changes

1307
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:36,139
quite a bit as I'm going I know very few

1308
00:55:34,009 --> 00:55:38,179
writers who don't change that outline as

1309
00:55:36,139 --> 00:55:40,159
they go it's a very natural process and

1310
00:55:38,179 --> 00:55:42,018
so there's very very few Kevin J

1311
00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:44,719
Anderson is one he sticks right on its

1312
00:55:42,018 --> 00:55:47,419
outline but there's very very few of us

1313
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,950
that if that part over I would say most
1314
00:55:47,420 --> 00:55:52,159
people that are discovering writer or or

1315
00:55:48,949 --> 00:55:54,919
an outline rather it's like 75% if 50%

1316
00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:56,719
is half an app and for 25% they're like

1317
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,818
you know they're a task every writer who

1318
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:00,619
does the Robert Jordan method which is I

1319
00:55:58,818 --> 00:56:02,958
have points on that I know I'm going

1320
00:56:00,619 --> 00:56:05,119
here here here and this is my ending and

1321
00:56:02,958 --> 00:56:06,739
then I discovery by my way here skipper

1322
00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:08,749
over here so we're going to here and

1323
00:56:06,739 --> 00:56:11,298
then go to my ending and that's kind of

1324
00:56:08,748 --> 00:56:13,728
like a 25% write or they're an outliner

1325
00:56:11,298 --> 00:56:15,679
like me that's a 75% which is I create a

1326
00:56:13,728 --> 00:56:17,448
very flexible outline I discovered

1327
00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:19,639
around my characters as I go and I then

1328
00:56:17,449 --> 00:56:21,680
change my outline as I'm going and

1329
00:56:19,639 --> 00:56:23,449
always rebuilding it but I'm an outliner

1330
00:56:21,679 --> 00:56:25,248
because I keep that out ongoing right I

1331
00:56:23,449 --> 00:56:27,979
rely on that outline even though it's

1332
00:56:25,248 --> 00:56:30,409
changing all the time all right so what

1333
00:56:27,978 --> 00:56:33,048
we're going to do now is we're going to

1334
00:56:30,409 --> 00:56:35,179
we're going to split on those of you who

1335
00:56:33,048 --> 00:56:36,788
are in the lecture but not the workshop

1336
00:56:35,179 --> 00:56:39,228
who would want to be in a riding rink

1337
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:41,299
Isaac is willing to split you into

1338
00:56:39,228 --> 00:56:43,189
writing notes what you should decide

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before you start putting away papers and

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shuffling has happened you should decide

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if you how often you want to

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submitting about a 2,000 word chunk or

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yet so to this writing group if it's

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like I can do it every week he's going

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to put multiples of you together who

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will do it every week if you're like you

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know I can do that once a month he will

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put more of you like you know eight or

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ten instead of you know three or four

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probably not three but like four so that

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you have two submissions every week then

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each of you submits you know once a

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month or something like that that makes

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sense

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decide how much you're going to do and

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then kind of sign what genre in is good

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to kind of put some white people
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together so people who want to write

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epic face you just so you have at least

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one other person you're writing crew who

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reads actively in the genre of your

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writing so if you're doing why they are

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middle grade or you know hard to doing

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hard science fiction it's good to have

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another scientist in the group does that

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make sense so Isaac will kind of try to

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split you up the people also give add

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codes you will do that first so hang out

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for writing groups until he's done the

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ID code you would add codes to everybody

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who wants to add the lecture classes

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before auditing the 50 of you meet me
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out there we're going to go to another

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room we'll talk some more okay thank you

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guys very much

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