Leading Edge Interviews Alex Collier

Subsequent to the publication of the 39-page ETs and the Global Connection in Leading Edge #89, we
did an interview with Alex Collier in order to ask some followup questions and try to gain further insight
into the paradigm involved. The following is the result of our interview.

Val: One question that arises as a result of analysis of the material in your Dallas lecture involves a
further exploration of the concept of the magnetic color-sound frequency emanating from black holes. In
your Dallas lecture, you said that this particular activity began a short time ago.

AC: I don't know that I know much more than I've already said, but I'll go through it again. According
to Moraney, on March 23rd of 1994 a color and sound frequency apparently started emanating from the
black holes. It is of such a high vibration that it is literally invisible to us. It is not, however, invisible to
those in other dimensions or to those who are technologically advanced enough to be able to register
this energy.

Now, they have said all along that the universe that we physically see is only 21 billion years old. The
space in which our universe is in, which is only one layer in many dimensions which they call
"consciousness", is a 21 trillion year old holograph. This new frequency which is coming out of the 3rd
density black holes spans the entire range of the holograph of the universe, and its is literally creating a
new holographic idea.

They are calling this new holograph "the 12th", and they have said to me that it is literally bringing all the
dimensions together. Third density is beginning to implode on itself.

Val: Drunvalo Melchizedek at one time in the Flower of Life discourse made some statements on what
he thought people might objectively see when a dimensional interface was in progress. I mean, the
physical picture that people would observe when this was happening.
 Do you have any ideas about this, or have the Andromedans stated anything about this?
 Would there be objects appear that have unusual colors, or things that appear and disappear?
 Have they ever told you what to expect, beyond the increased appearance of ghostly phenomena
as time progresses?
AC: Well, certainly they have said that, but in their opinion the closer we get to fifth density, we shall see
that. In their perspective, fourth density is a consciousness. This is one of the blinds of metaphysics that
is being taught here on Earth.

Val: Blinds?

AC: It's a misteaching.

Val: Please explain.

AC: All right. Fourth density is a unified consciousness. As we move into fourth density, we will become
more in tune, not only with the Earth, but with each other. We will know something is going on without
having to look at television or listen to the radio. We will start to feel it, and we will literally have
conversations "in our heads" with loved ones long gone or in other parts of the world. It will be confirmed
that what we call "daydreaming" is a real occurrence.

They said that this is going to happen more and more as we get closer to fourth density. Many of the
children under the age of 14, as we go into fourth density, are going to start speaking ancient dialects,
and have no explanation as to how they know it. Children and adults will be discovering archeological
sites all over the world. New inventions will come out of nowhere.

People will be able to draw sophisticated diagrams. Many racial memories embodying extraterrestrial
origins will start to come up as a result of the genetics that each one of us carries. Certain memories will
start to come up, and they have said that some of those memories will not be "ours", but instead have
their origin within the genetics that have been "attached" to us.

Val: By these 22 extraterrestrial races that have had a part to play in the evolution of the human body.

AC: Right. Now, this is occurring already, and so many people are angry. Much of the anger that is
coming up in young people is because some of this DNA is "unlocking", and they don't know what to do
with the energy, because third density is compressing.

Val: Well, then, what would one advise teens to do?

AC: The Andromendans never really got into this area. I'll have to get back to them about this, but I am
certain it will have to do with setting up a "system of expression".

Val: Most probably. I know that culturally this society is lacking in viable systems of expression that have
been thwarted by technological "evolution". So, a perceptual change where one sees bizarre visual
things would not occur until we begin to go into fifth density?

AC: Yes, we will first start to see what we think are ghosts or spirit guides. Some of us on the planet
(and there are already five who can do this) will be moving in and out between fourth and fifth density
almost at will. They will be able to teleport to different places on the planet. We're talking about
hundreds of thousands of people. If they're right, this will mean we'll be going through some remarkable
shifts. If they're right.

Q: Getting back to other planets and other societies, what would you like to say?

AC: There is so much life out there. There is an abundance of life. There is apparently plant and animal
life on the planet Uranus.

Val: But it exists at a different frequency.

AC: Yes, and some of it is identical to what we have on Earth on this frequency.

Val: How about humanoid races and societies, in comparison to us? The society on Earth has a
manipulative base historically grounded in the Orion system. What about things on the opposite side of
the coin? What is the "norm" in space societies, insofar as you are aware of?

AC: Well, the "norm" is definitely "light". You know, self-rule and self-responsibility. The thing in that is
going on in our particular part of the galaxy, which includes 21 systems, concerns the idea of tyranny.
What is interesting about this is that the area in which this tyranny is occurring is a very very old area. It
has been colonized for a long time, and it has been under control of some of the oldest races, like
the Alpha Draconians.
They were the first race to have space travel in our galaxy and were remarkable builders, but their
species multiplied so rapidly that they decided to conquer other races to make room for them. Our race,
the Earth human race, was literally created by a group that came down from a dimensional realm, and
these were the Paa Tal. This verbal expression called Paa Tal is actually of Draconian origin.

Val: So in actuality the genetics comprising the human body are a composite from around the galaxy,
but the spiritual entities occupying human bodies are literally the Paa Tal?.

AC: Right.

Val: So, are there any Paa Tal occupying reptilian bodies?

AC: I don't know.