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Professional Satellite Navigation (609A) Retrofit - Project
I love doing upgrades to my car, I particularly like installing options that were available from the factory that my could have been fitted with if the original
purchaser wasn't so tiht fisted with is check book.
So another OEM based upgrade, this time it was the retrofit of the option S609A (Professional Satellite Navigation). The car had the basic iDrive system
from the factory called M-ASK with the 6.5’ screen & Bluetooth with basic voice control (phone only).
The is an EBA retrofit Guide floating about (I have EBA system myself too). Here’s a link to a copy of the S609A retrofit.
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This installation is equally applicable to the e60 Series as it is to the 6 Series. Here is a list of the hardware used in this particular installation:
1. CCC unit
The CCC unit is the ”brains” of the system with the CD & DVD drives built in
2. 8.8 Screen (CID)

This screen is the widescreen; just to note you cannot use this screen with the M-ASK, I tried just out of curiosity, see below.
Old & new screen:
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New Screen with MASK:
3. High iDrive Controller (with “haptic” feedback)

You can get away with the existing “low controller” but you will lose the haptic feedback functionality & you’ll also have to have non-standard coding in the
CCC to allow use of the “low” controller. I decided not to make this sacrifice.
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4. Fan Cable Harness

The “fan cable harness” is a small lead that connects the main harness going in to the back of the CCC to the fan on the back of the CCC. I’m not sure why
they couldn’t have the wiring for the fan inside the CCC but who am I to question it!
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5.Fakra GPS antenna
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The OEM antenna is about €130 excluding the cabling which is insane! I picked up a Fakra made (OEM supplier) GPS antenna with a 3m cable & the right
connector for €8 delivered, no brainer really.
6. Menu/Voice Control iDrive button

As for the Menu/Voice Control button, you do not need to swap this out but I wanted to keep the system as OEM as I could, it helped that I got the button
free with the iDrive controller.
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7. Replacement dash centre trim

This is the only piece that I ended up having to buy new. The original trim only has a slot for the CD drive, not for the DVD drive. It also has a little shelf
built in which has to make way for the base of the CCC. There are many different colours available for this trim, Dark Birch, Light Birch, Madera, Brush
Aluminium, Piano Black, Carbon to name a few. This just made it difficult to find the right one, the was one in UK but they wanted more for the second
hand unit than it cost new! Another one was available in Sweden but that was close to the new price too. Having thought about it further this piece of trim
has the most prominent place in the car so it was vital for me that this would be cosmetically perfect.
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8. 2013 Premium Sat Nav map discs

Thanks to member jpwayne2004 for providing the DVDs with 2013 Western, Central & Eastern Europe maps.
The first job was to remove the centre console. It involves removing the gear knob (pull straight up), the gaitor (unplug 2 connectors), then remove the 4
x Torx srews to remove the wood effect trim. The centre console has 5 Torx bolts holding it in place one up front & four within the rear cup holder
compartment.
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Then I removed the back seat, this was to facilitate the installation of the GPS antenna.
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I mounted the GPS antenna in the OEM location for the e63 6 Series which is up underneath the rear parcel shelf. The steep rake of the rear windscreen
allows this location to work, on the e60 5 Series the “Shark Fin” antenna was deemed necessary.
Interesting aside: The GPS satellites are not always directly above you as you drive, they can be out in front; to the side; or behind you. Remember the
curvature of the earth? Also in order to determine your location the GPS system has to “see” at least 3 GPS satellites in order to report your position.
With the antenna mounted & the cable fed through to the dash centre I turned to the removal of the old iDrive controller, it is held in place with 4 Torx
bolts. There are two Cables plugged in to the Controller/Menu switch.
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In the retrofit guide it called for the insertion of an additional wire for the voice control button, my car already had this.
Yellow/White wire is for voice control:
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These were the two hardest jobs. It was plain sailing after this.
Next up was the installation of the 8.8 Widescreen Central Information Display (CID). I removed the central air vents & central dash trim to create space.
The airducts have one Torx screw underneath the Hazard switch, the switch itself simply pops out with a plastic panel removal tool. The central dash trim is
held in by 2 Philips screws at the top & 4 spring clips. The old connectors for the CID are identical for old/new screens & the screen is held in place with two
Torx screws into the top of the dash. Simples.
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Cables on CID:
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The M-ASK unit is held in place with 2 Philips screws & it slides right out. The CCC is held in with 4 Philips screws, so you’ll need to get the right screws &
fasteners for the additional mounts.
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The speaker/power/optical connector is identical, with the exception to the fan cable harness. You need to insert the three wires from the fan in to one of
the connectors, see the retrofit guide for which wire goes where.
The radio antenna connector is black & the GPS antenna connector is blue
MASK sitting on top of the CCC for comparison:
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The connector on the cable that goes to the CID needs to be modified, there is a locator tab on the connector meaning it can only be plugged in one way
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(Poka Yoke) however it is incorrect for CCC so this tab needs to be trimmed off.
With all that connected up & fitted it simply comes time to reassemble everything
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With everything installed it was time to fire it up! It initially loaded in Polish (I think).
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So I set about coding the unit to match my car & also telling the car that it now had S609A (Professional Satellite Navigation). First up was to add $609&
$620 to the Vehicle Order (VO), this is done with NCS Expert in “Expertmode”. By doing this you are essentially changing the DNA of the car.
The next job to be done was to code the CCC to match my car. This involves coding 5 units with the default build of the car (again using NCS Expert):
- CAPPL
- CAUDA
- CGATE
- CHOST
- CTUNE
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The idea of this is to ensure the options fitted to the car are known to the CCC, for example the climate control type, Bluetooth system, etc. The screen &
CCC came from an e60 535d & the controller came from an M6 but after coding they are now e63 630i components. Here’s an example of the e60 VIN
number showing up in the Bluetooth menu prior to coding (Other VIN: CU 783333):
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Then I disconnected the battery to let everything “settle”.
You may have noticed that I added $620 to the VO. S620A is called “Extended Voice Control”, this allows you to control everything in the car including
heating, nav, Bluetooth, etc. Originally the voice control system in my car worked just with the Bluetooth phone (option S644A), however when you install
the Prof Sat Nav (S609A) you lose your basic voice control. Initially I thought this as some coding error. Unfortunately BMW designed the system to do this.
After a bit of searching I discovered the only way to re-enable voice control is by the use of an enablement code called an FSC code which can only be
supplied by BMW. The only way to load the FSC code is using Progman or ISTA. I have not sorted out the Voice Control yet, but it is on my “to do” list.
Here are some shots of the system in action. I also benefited from this install as the new CCC had the updated software version meaning it had the silver
(as opposed to brown) background. This allowed me to add the following options in to the iDrive menu:
- Cornering lights
- Welcome Lights
- Auto-light sensitivity
(these tied in nicely with my recent LM2 module retrofit)
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I got a little help from the guys at Germaniks, which was much appreciated. They have done similar installs in the past so it was good to talk to someone
who has done it before. If you were looking to get it done without going to all the complication I did, give them a call.
Will I use the Navigation? Ha ha, probably not that often but the maps look OK. I do like the wide screen though, I also like the “haptic” feedback
controller.
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Wow good job, that is a serious amount of work.
Did you consider doing a CIC retrofit instead? It seems like a similar amount of work.
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Very Nice!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorgi

Wow good job, that is a serious amount of work.
Did you consider doing a CIC retrofit instead? It seems like a similar amount of work.
Hi, yes I did, I even considered an LCI-CCC retrofit. The amount of work is almost identical. The problem was cost. Almost double for me to do CIC, a
couple of hundred more for LCI-CCC. If you do the CIC retrofit I was reading that you may have issues if you ever wanted to send the car in to the
dealer for an update. As it stands now the CCC fitted is correct for the era, so it will not pose any issues.
There's lots of guides out there on CiC retrofits too. One problem with CiCis you need the FSC code to enable the navigation, another FSC code for voice,
each FSC code are expensive. At least with CCC the navigation works straight out of the box.
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Very Nice!
Thanks!
Thanks for taking the time to read.
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That is awesome. Thanks to BMW for making the PRO version standard in the U.S.!!!
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That is awesome. Thanks to BMW for making the PRO version standard in the U.S.!!!
Yeah, taxes are crippling here in Europe, Ireland is particularly hard on the motorist. Iwas pretty jealuos of your US gas prices when I was there, 50% of
what we pay. Hence here in Europe we have the 630i, thats the e63 with the N53 inline 6 cyinder engine you guys only see in the 3 & 5 Series.
In Ireland there is a 36% vehicle registration tax (for something like an e63, based on CO2 emisions) which is paid on top of VAT (value added tax) of
23%, so the vehicle regostration is a tax on a tax which means the car costs 167% of what the car is bought from the manufacturer for. So car
manufacturers had to come up with imaginative ways to reduce the cost of cars. Poverty spec is one such solution.
Here is the dash of the non-nav car:
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For direct comparison heres the Nav equipped dash:
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Rebel.ranter Did you sort out the voice control(option s620a) thing? I'm trying to do it in my E60 but I don't know if FSC codes are needed
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Originally Posted by PRIETIQUE

Rebel.ranter Did you sort out the voice control(option s620a) thing? I'm trying to do it in my E60 but I don't know if FSC codes are needed
Nope. I priced the necessary FSC Code for Voice Control & it was coming in at around €550, just for a code! I have a DVD that has all the Voice
Activation codes for cars that had Proffessional navigation pre-2007. It doesn't list cars that didn't have Nav from the factory. The disc with all these FSC
codes existed in the first place as cars were losing their voice control option during a software update so it was deemed necessary to provide the
dealerships the codes for all cars.
You can get FSC codes for enabling the newer maps on the CIC equipped cars from sellers other than BMW but no such luck for voice control FSC codes.
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Thanks for the info!!
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Hello! I also have replaced my 07 E60 CCC, but no sound. Is there a read up that I can read, with regards to marrying the used CCC to my car? I know
that I have to code
- CAPPL
- CAUDA
- CGATE
- CHOST
- CTUNE
I was able to read all of the area's with ncsexpert, but dont know what to edit . if you can point me to the right direct and pls be easy on me as I'm still
learning
Thank s
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In order to code the 5 modules you need to use NCS Expert in "Expertmode". You select each of the modules, select job SG_Coderien & click "Process
ECU" for each one of them. Job done. Look for guides on here for NCS Epeet user guides. Effectively what I'm suggesting is that you default code the
module (5 make up the module).
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Quote:
Originally Posted by looney53

Hello! I also have replaced my 07 E60 CCC, but no sound. Is there a read up that I can read, with regards to marrying the used CCC to my car?
I know that I have to code
- CAPPL
- CAUDA
- CGATE
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- CHOST
- CTUNE
I was able to read all of the area's with ncsexpert, but dont know what to edit . if you can point me to the right direct and pls be easy on me as
I'm still learning
Thank s
You need to code the CCC to get it to work.
I would not just code all modules it won't get you sound automatically.
It all depends on what version firmware you have in your new CCC and what was in the old CCC. If the replacement is newer, you will need to code the
car, and the CCC. The CCC has the serial number in it form the donor car. You'll need to change this.
You can call Mike Benvo in LA for a estimate, it's the easiest way, not the cheapest, but the easiest. http://www.bpmsport.com/
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rebel.ranter

In order to code the 5 modules you need to use NCS Expert in "Expertmode". You select each of the modules, select job SG_Coderien & click
"Process ECU" for each one of them. Job done. Look for guides on here for NCS Epeet user guides. Effectively what I'm suggesting is that you
default code the module (5 make up the module).
Thank You rebel.ranter, I was reading on nscexpert and just couldn't grasp it.. I will, just takes time..
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Quote:
Originally Posted by roseng

You need to code the CCC to get it to work.
I would not just code all modules it won't get you sound automatically.
It all depends on what version firmware you have in your new CCC and what was in the old CCC. If the replacement is newer, you will need to
code the car, and the CCC. The CCC has the serial number in it form the donor car. You'll need to change this.
You can call Mike Benvo in LA for a estimate, it's the easiest way, not the cheapest, but the easiest. http://www.bpmsport.com/
Thanks roseng, I already sent them an email and they got back to me, I figure I already have gone without sound for 5 months. I might as well learn
and understand how to code it...
I ready bought the cable, and have an XP Computer all the programs are all working. I was able to read and saved the ECU. Do I have to write on the
LMA too? or just the CAS.
Thanks for all your help.
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Success!!! I just did a factory default on all 5 modules...Turned Off the Car and Let it sit for about 10 minutes..Thanks Guys for all the knowledge that
you guys posted here...*****!!!
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Thanks Rebel,
Location: Cork, nice article.
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I'm upgrading my mask unit to CCC in few weeks. Have big TV and unit itself already and now looking for GPS antenna and also plastic that covers area
belowLCI
Your CCC.
panel looks to be part #25 in the link below:
I'm driving pre-lci 5series and actually installing LCI CCC.
Do you know by any chance where I could get that plastic covering below unit?
http://bmwfans.info/parts-catalog/E6...nel_dashboard/
Do you know part number maybe? Obviously there are different coloring plastics and those I believe have different part numbers but still just to get
idea. is best place really.
Dealer
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I just installed the CCC in my 2006 530i (USA). Thanks to rebel.ranter for the excellent DIY!
If you're in the USA then you won't be able to purchase the CCC fan wiring harness. You'll either need to source a harness at a junk yard or build your
own.
To build your own cable, you will need the following components:
(1) 61138377072 Universal socket housing, uncoded, 3 POL
and
(6) 61130006663 Bushing Contact With Wire Lead
or
(6) 61131393724 Socket terminal, MQS
Part # 61130006663 has the "socket" already crimped onto a short piece of wire. You'll need to cut two wires to length and solder them together. You
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need a total of three completed wires with the fitting on each end.
Alternatively, part# 61131393724 needs to be crimped on to a length of stranded 18AWG or 1mm2 wire. You should use a special tool to crimp the ends
onto the wire. The work can be done without the crimping tool but it is tricky to get it right.
Also, I went cheap and just bought the plain black plastic center dash trim. The part # is 51457063152 and I think that it looks fine in my car.
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wow, nice job; thanks for the instructions, might be helpful along the way.
I just came to realize that in one of the menu, you have cornering lights, I don't.. is that depending on the Software, or it's an "extra"?
thanks!
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The cornering lights require you to have AHL (adaptive headlights) and the LM2 light control module. I got an LM2 from an e6x with a build date later
than Sept 2007.
Then you need to do some custom coding on the CAPPL & the LM2.
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Hi everybody, i know this is maybe not the correct place because i'm looking to retrofit an NBT on a X1 F48, but maybe some of you experts could solve
a little doubt i have
I've found on realOEM parts what i need to start retrofitting , but i don't understand what two parts are
SATZ NAVIGATIONSEINHEIT NA and

Satz Halter Controller
Can someone help me?
Thanks in advance
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bmw 60 ccc navigation
where can I purchase that FAN WIRE HARNESS for back of navigation..part # if available please thank you
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E63 / E64 6 Series (2004 - 2010)

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Join Date: Jul 2007

Professional Satellite Navigation (609A) Retrofit - Project

2. 8.8 Screen (CID)

Old & new screen:

New Screen with MASK:

3. High iDrive Controller (with “haptic” feedback)

4. Fan Cable Harness

5.Fakra GPS antenna

6. Menu/Voice Control iDrive button

7. Replacement dash centre trim

8. 2013 Premium Sat Nav map discs

Yellow/White wire is for voice control:

MASK sitting on top of the CCC for comparison:

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Sat Nav retrofit - part 2

Then I disconnected the battery to let everything “settle”.

Wow good job, that is a serious amount of work.

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Join Date: Jul 2009

Originally Posted by Yorgi

Originally Posted by HerbP

Thanks for taking the time to read.

Join Date: Jul 2007

Originally Posted by tampamark

Here is the dash of the non-nav car:

For direct comparison heres the Nav equipped dash:

Originally Posted by PRIETIQUE

02-22-2014, 03:47 AM #10

Thanks for the info!!

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03-25-2015, 01:43 PM #11

03-25-2015, 04:41 PM #12

03-25-2015, 08:44 PM #13

Originally Posted by looney53

You need to code the CCC to get it to work.

03-26-2015, 12:54 PM #14

Originally Posted by rebel.ranter

03-26-2015, 12:59 PM #15

Originally Posted by roseng

03-30-2015, 04:49 PM #16

09-23-2015, 10:56 AM #19

(1) 61138377072 Universal socket housing, uncoded, 3 POL

(6) 61130006663 Bushing Contact With Wire Lead

(6) 61131393724 Socket terminal, MQS

Last edited by txag_530i; 09-23-2015 at 11:02 AM.

09-24-2015, 01:56 AM #20

09-24-2015, 04:12 PM #21

06-19-2016, 02:41 AM #22

SATZ NAVIGATIONSEINHEIT NA and

Can someone help me?

01-27-2017, 12:11 PM #23

bmw 60 ccc navigation

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