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Post by rishi on Mar 24, 2007, 2:01pm
In order to fully discuss this topic which fascinates me to no end, I'll
first
need to describe the concept of 'chiranjeev' (this word can also be spelt
validly as 'chiranjiv'). 'Chiranjeev' (pronounced 'chir-ahn-jeev') is a
Sanskrit
word and refers to an EXTREMELY long-lived being (chiran - long, jiva -
life).
Sometimes chiranjeevs are said to be 'immortal', but this is a
misconception.
They have unusually long lifespans due to one reason or another, but they
still
took birth and therefore their souls MUST eventually depart from their
bodies.
Chiranjeevs are not necessarily the same as siddhas who can physically
'die' at
their own will, but their bodies are not subject to decay like ours are.
When
our bodies expire, they rot away, but when a chiranjeev's lifespan ends,
their
bodies simply disappear/dematerialise at that very moment. So only in this
sense
can the chiranjeev be said to be 'immortal', in the sense that it does not
experience 'death' in the same manner of decay that all other living
entities
are subjected to. A chiranjeev attains his/her/its so-called 'immortality'
either by way of a blessing or a curse from some other entity or through
the law
of karma in general. Though there are perhaps multitudes of chiranjeevs
that
exist across the universe, there are 8 major 'immortals' or chiranjeevs
that
dwell on the Earth that are recognised in this current Day Of Brahma and
they
are as follows:
Ashwathama -a man cursed to immortality and extreme suffering without love
from
anybody for his role in the murder of the five sons of the Pandavas and his
attempted murder of Arjuna's grandson
Bali (demon) -a righteous demon king who conquered heaven, earth, and the
underworld, but was forced to give it back by Vamana
Vyasa -a sage who narrated the Mahabharata, he was also a sage in the epic
Hanuman -a monkey deva who served Rama
Vibhishana -Ravana's brother who was made King of Lanka by Rama
Kripacharya -a teacher of the princes in the Mahabharata
Parashurama -an avatar of Vishnu
Markandeya -a great rishi
According to the Hindu text known as Srimad Bhagavatam, Ashwathama, Vyasa,
Kripa
and Parashurama are destined to be future saptarishis (seven sages), Bali
is
destined to become the next Indra, Hanuman was blessed by Brahma to live as
long
as him and Vibhishana was blessed by Rama to live for one kalpa (ie. one
full
Day Of Brahma). There are several other chiranjeevs mentioned in the Hindu
epics
and also in a variety of other texts. But there is only one chiranjeev in
particular that I want to focus on in this thread: Aswatthama
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Aswatthama was a fairly prominent figure in the Hindu epic Mahabharata.
Here is
some general information about him from Wikipedia (from this URL:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aswatthama):
"In the Hindu epic Mahabharata, Ashwatthama (Sanskrit:
अश्वत्थाम,
ashvatthâma)
or Ashwatthaman (Sanskrit:
अश्वत्थमन,
ashvatthamana) was the son of guru
Dronacharya. He is one of the seven Chiranjeevins. Dronacharya loved him
dearly.
False rumours about his death in the Kurukshetra war led to the death of
his
father at the hands of Prince Dhrishtadyumna. A vengeful Ashwatthama
obtained
permission from the dying Duryodhana to brutally murder Dhrishtadhyumna
after
the war had officially ended. Ashwathama at the end of the war promised
Duryodhana that he would kill the Pandavas, and attacked the Pandava camp
in the
middle of the night, but by error ended up murdering the 5 sons of the
Pandavas
by Draupadi.
The Pandavas, incensed by this act, chased him resulting in his fight with
Arjuna. During the fight, Ashwatthama invoked the 'Brahmastra' against
Arjuna
and Arjuna in response invoked the 'Pashupatastra'. Fearing the destruction
of
the world, the sages advised both to take back their weapons. While Arjuna
could
do so, Ashwathama (presumably having less skill) could not and was given
the
option of choosing any single target to destroy. Out of spite, Ashwathama
directed the weapon to the womb of Uttara, Arjuna's daughter-in-law.
At this time, Uttara was carrying the unborn Parikshit, son of Abhimanyu,
who
upon birth would be the future heir to all the Pandava brothers. The
Brahmastra
weapon was successful in fatally burning the foetus, but Krishna revived
the
stillborn child and cursed Ashwatthama with leprosy and to roam the world
for
3,000 years as an unloved castaway. In another version, it is believed that
he
is cursed to remain alive till the end of the Kaliyuga. It is believed that
Ashwatthama migrated to the land currently known as Arabian peninsula.
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Ashwatthama also had to surrender a valuable gem set on his forehead, the
wearer
of which ceases to have any fear from weapons or disease or hunger, and he
ceases to have any fear of gods and danavas and nagas.
Ashwatthama was a great warrior and was even known to have revived the
Kaurava
army from sorrowness by invoking the Narayana astra. But Lord Krishna
instructed
the Pandava army to lay down their arms and hence the astra was finally
conquered. He also invoked the agneyastra against Arjuna but he quelled it
with
the Brahmastra.
Ashwathama was one of the three survivors of the Kaurava army with
Kritavarma
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and Kripacharya."
It gets even MORE interesting! There are many rumours in India that revolve
around a tall man with gaping hole in the centre of his forehead aimlessly
roaming the forests of Northern India. My grandfather recently told me an
account about how one of his brothers (I think he was his brother, I'm not
too
sure though! lol) and that man's wife went to visit a small village in
Northern
India. I'm not sure how many years ago they visited this place and my
overall
memory of this account is quite poor, so I'll try to ask my grandfather to
re-tell the whole thing to me as soon as possible. Anyway, moving on.....
they
were sight-seeing this village and engaging in simple chit-chat with the
villagers. All of a sudden, a VERY tall man (approximately 12 feet tall, I
think
my grandfather said! ) walked into the village. This man had a noticeable
dent
in his forehead and in the middle of his forehead, there was clearly a
circle or
hole there. It seemed to be an injury of some sort, but there was no scab
which
had developed where the hole was. Small drops of blood seemed to seep out
of
this hole and there were numerous flies that flew around this particular
area of
his body. The man was quite silent until he approached a man inside a small
restaurant selling traditional Indian food. He asked the owner of the store
something like 'What have you cooked for me this time?' and, in response,
the
owner of the store served him a vast variety of foods to quell his
appetite. So
HUGE was this mysterious man's appetite that he apparently cleared out the
restaurant's entire stock of food! Then this man became thirsty and
requested
water. He was pointed in the direction of a large pot (about half my height
and
twice my width) which was filled right to the top with water. He promptly
went
to this pot and proceeded to drink ALL of the water held inside it until
not
even a single DROP remained! My grandfather's brother and his wife had seen
this
occurring in front of their very eyes and were quite astonished. They asked
a
nearby onlooker if he knew who this man was. He responded by
saying.........
that he was Aswatthama from the Mahabharata! He further clarified that
Aswatthama entered this particular village every year (but only once every
year)
for about a few hours in one day simply to eat and drink. Then he would
silently
walk off deeper into the forest without making a sound. I asked my
grandfather
out of curiosity how and why these villagers could be so calm and offer him
food
and water even though they are aware of the many grievous sins associated
with
Aswatthama. My grandfather responded by saying that whenever one is hungry,
he
or she should be given food and whenever one is thirsty, he or she should
be
given water... REGARDLESS of that person's character or identity. It should
be
done because it is a selfless thing to do. It should be done not because it
generates very positive karma for a person, but because it is the right
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thing to
do. This is what my grandfather's response was. Upon closer inspection on
this
anecdote my grandfather told me, it makes SENSE that the man who entered
that
village was indeed Aswatthama himself! The man was said to be EXTREMELY
tall.
The events of the Mahabharata occurred during Dwapar Yuga (the age which
occurred just before this one) and, if I remember correctly, the average
height
of humankind during this age is between 12-14 feet (to be honest, I don't
REALLY
know much about this 'feet' unit of measurement at all, since we use the
metric
system here in Australia! ). This man was said to have eaten an ENORMOUS
amount
of food and drank an entire pot FULL of water. The regular appetite of
people in
Dwapar Yuga is stated as being considerably greater than what it is today.
Also,
this man was said to have had an injury in the middle of his forehead. In
the
Mahabharata, Aswatthama was said to have been born with a precious gem
known as
chintamani embedded onto the centre of his forehead. After the end of the
Kurukshetra War, Krishna is said to have forcefully pulled this gem out of
Aswatthama's forehead as a part of his punishment for his crimes. It is
written
in the Mahabharata that blood began to pour profusely out of the hole in
the
centre of Aswatthama's forehead where the chintamani gemstone had been
removed.
The removal of the chintamani gemstone caused him SEVERE physical pain. To
me,
it ALL adds up. That man was most likely Aswatthama. It is also said that
Aswatthama is engaged in intense meditation within a cave in the Himalayas
to
atone for his misdeeds. However, since Aswatthama is said to be a siddha,
you
will not be able to see him with your limited mortal eyes if he does not
want to
be seen. He can adopt an incorporeal form and render himself invisible at
will
wherever and whenever he does not wish to be perceived by people. The man
who
was encountered in that village was most likely the very SAME Aswatthama
described in the Mahabharata. If this is indeed the case, then he is living
PROOF that the Mahabharata is not simply a mere mythological story but an
actual
HISTORICAL document. Aswatthama may be a testament to the Mahabharata being
a
book that recorded actual historical events.
Re: A 5000+ Year Old Man Still Physically Alive?
Post by ajagsfairy on Mar 24, 2007, 6:54pm
Interesting. I don't know why someone would want to live that long. I know
you
could see so much stuff but wouldn't it get old after a while and suck
seeing
everyone you would get close to die off before you. I wonder what it was
during
biblical times also that made people live longer.
Post by rishi on Mar 25, 2007, 9:35am
Quote:Interesting. I don't know why someone would want to live that

long. I know you could see so much stuff but wouldn't it get
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old
after a while and suck seeing everyone you would get close to
die
off before you.
The chiranjeevs allegedly attained their longevity due to either being

cursed or
blessed by some entity or on account of the store of their meritorous deeds
(punya).
Quote:I wonder what it was during biblical times also that made
people live longer.
It was due to the cycle of the yugas, in my opinion. The Bible declares
that
Methuselah lived for precisely 969 years and then died. From extrapolation,
we
can also determine that Methuselah lived approximately over some 5000 years
ago.
This information can be corroborated with certain Vedic literatures with
startling parallels being found as a result. For example, it is a Vedic
conviction that just over 5000 years ago, the age known as Dwapar Yuga had
come
to a close. Apparently, it is said that the average lifespan of people
during
Dwapar Yuga was approximately 1000 years! Methuselah's long lifespan
clearly (in
a comparative sense anyway, as there are MUCH longer Vedic time-scales
still)
comes VERY close to 1000 years. Also, the average height of man was said to
be
taller in the previous yugas. If one reads the Old Testament of the Bible,
one
will find information that corroborates with the Vedic notion of physically
taller humans living in the distant past with its accounts of 'giants' that
once
roamed the Earth.
Post by amphitrite79 on Mar 25, 2007, 11:18am
Fascinating stuff, Rishi. It reminds me of the legend of the "Wandering
Jew"
There's some info on the legend on Wiki ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_wandering_jew
There's a couple of western legends of people defying death and living for
extended periods, another of them is St Germain. Although some legends have
him
dying and being reincarnated, others say he lived on and the reported
deaths
were bogus. Also, the difference with the other legends is that they say St
Germain discovered the cure for ageing and death through alchemy, rather
than a
hex or blessing.
I read one legend that St Germain first appeared on Earth some 50 000 years
ago
as the high priest of the Violet Flame Temple and preached the great
destiny of
his people. When they fell to temptation, he withdrew from the society and
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lapsed into obscurity. He returned as the Old Testament Prophet Samuel,
then St
Alban, as Proclus (chief of Plato's academy in Athens), then later on he
appeared as Merlin and then Roger Bacon (the monk and illustrious thinker
whose
works caused suspicion amongst his fellow friars and was subsequently
imprisoned
for being a heretic when his only crime seems to have been his innovation
and
way of thinking that was way ahead for his time)
It goes on and on and on but here's some other info I found on the net...
http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa010603a.htm
Amphi
Post by admin on Mar 25, 2007, 12:44pm
Hi. Thanks for the links Rishi
I don’t believe in these myths of people living for hundreds of years, I
believe
its possible someone in the past could have lived for maybe 150-60 years at
the
most. But when I read of 300 or 500 year old people like in the Bible its
easy
to come to the conclusion that its just fairytale stories and fantasy. Its
physically impossible unless their bodies are made up of something else
that
doesn’t deteriorate over time like ours, after say 200 years the body would
be
so fragile it would be impossible to sustain.
Living forever is a curse, so I agree with Ajags, I can understand an
atheist
who is materialistic wanting to live forever is understandable, but anyone
who
believes in the afterlife, would not want such a thing, I know I don’t.
If these people existed or do existed there would be more solid proof.
Sorry for being so sceptical, but i need to see evidence of these things.
This
kind of thing sounds like the product of story telling that gets thrown
around
from generation to generation.
Thanks for that link Amphi on the Wandering Jew. I enjoyed it.
Post by rishi on Mar 25, 2007, 1:08pm
Quote:Its physically impossible unless their bodies are made up of

something else that doesn’t deteriorate over time like ours,
after
say 200 years the body would be so fragile it would be
impossible to
sustain.
Well, according to the Vedic literatures, when people in the previous yugas
aged, the rate at which they aged was less than what it is today by a
factor of
10. For example, right now in Kali Yuga, a person who is 90 years old could
be
said to be nearing his/her expected time of death (approximately 100 years,
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give
or take a few years of course) but since the average human lifespan of
Dwapar
Yuga is said to be approximately 1000 years, an age of 900 in that
particular
era would be equivalent to an age of 90 in this particular era.
Quote:Living forever is a curse, so I agree with Ajags, I can

understand an atheist who is materialistic wanting to live
forever
is understandable, but anyone who believes in the afterlife,
would
not want such a thing, I know I don’t.
Being embodied is a curse (in my opinion), but not living. I believe that
EVERYTHING which has life has that life eternally. The soul, never having
been
born, will never die either. Only the bodies it enters experience birth and
death. The constitutional nature of the soul is bliss, and since people
tend to
forget this whenever they experience embodiment, they are subject to
misery. So
only experiencing birth and death forever would be a curse to me, but I do
believe each and every soul will eventually break free from the cycle of
transmigration. It is only a matter of time. This is my personal conviction
anyway.
Quote:If these people existed or do existed there would be more

solid proof.
Unfortunately, the only 'proof' that exists is personal experience and

anecdotes
(and perhaps the Vedic scriptures and even the Bible, to a certain extent).

Post by admin on Mar 25, 2007, 1:40pm
Yep if I saw proof, id be willing to believe it, but I cant use any
religious
text as the gospel, as most of them are just parables, or stories told over
bonfires then repeated over the generations, they get changed into things
more
amazing than they are and they gather a magical overtone, and then the
myths are
taken literally by some and then become imbedded into religious ideas.
Post by rishi on Sept 22, 2007, 5:05pm
Here's an interesting link about an apparent sighting of Kripa in the
Himalayas:
http://www.pilotbaba.org/himalayan-masters/maha-avtar-baba.htm

Post by aubrey on Oct 3, 2007, 3:06pm
Stories like this seem like an acid or mushroom trip to me. Maybe even
Salvia or
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DMT. I don't do drugs myself, but have several friends that do and they
often
come out speaking of things like this. Giants, faeries, profound moments
with a
god or deity. Often times it's something we've discussed before, but on a
much
grander scale. Honestly, I'd have to say that after seeing/hearing my
friends'
drug trips, the only way I'd believe in something like the above stories is
if I
went through it myself. I'm not saying it's not plausible (especially after
what
I have been through).
Post by rishi on Oct 3, 2007, 3:18pm
Quote:Stories like this seem like an acid or mushroom trip to me.

Maybe even Salvia or DMT. I don't do drugs myself, but have
several
friends that do and they often come out speaking of things like
this. Giants, faeries, profound moments with a god or deity.
Often
times it's something we've discussed before, but on a much
grander
scale. Honestly, I'd have to say that after seeing/hearing my
friends' drug trips, the only way I'd believe in something like
the
above stories is if I went through it myself. I'm not saying
it's
not plausible (especially after what I have been through).
Have any of your tripping friends reported certain commonalities in their

trips?
I think the perception of commonalities (whatever they might be) in trip
reports
is absolutely mind-blowing and it gives credence to the notion that the
things
seen whilst tripping are objectively real and are NOT created by our brains
(but
rather mediated by them).
Post by aubrey on Oct 3, 2007, 11:05pm
I see what you're saying, and though there have been a few similarities,
none
were significant enough to support that theory from my experience with
them. The
most profound trips seem to come from DMT. They always come out of it
saying
their life has changed forever. It makes them think about the world around
them
completely different. With one of my friends, I can't say that's a good
thing.
He an abuser of hallucinogens and I'm pretty sure his brain looks like
swiss
cheese.
Again, not saying that theory's not plausible. That's something that would
need
some hardcore studying in control groups and such.
Post by admin on Oct 3, 2007, 11:17pm
Quote:I see what you're saying, and though there have been a few
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similarities, none were significant enough to support that
theory
from my experience with them. The most profound trips seem to
come
from DMT. They always come out of it saying their life has
changed
forever. It makes them think about the world around them
completely
different. With one of my friends, I can't say that's a good
thing.
He an abuser of hallucinogens and I'm pretty sure his brain
looks
like swiss cheese.
Again, not saying that theory's not plausible. That's something
that
would need some hardcore studying in control groups and such.
Hi Aubery
I agree totally, but the governments already know that most hallucinogenic
drugs
more than not turn people more onto pacifism and teaches them about the
wrongs
of war, and makes them more rebellious against corrupt organisations, so
they
wont be doing much studies into it anytime soon, not in open public anyway.
Its
why governments have spend millions doing their best to demonise such
things
with anti hallucinogenic propaganda.
Check these creepy government anti LSD propaganda films.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqGegSpMVOA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5TJApnJ8X8
Post by aubrey on Oct 5, 2007, 2:17am
Although I don't knock down the use of some hallucinogens on occasion and
I've
smoked my fair share of mary jane in the past, I still think there is
definite
abuse and I've seen first hand how damaged some people have become from it.
Important decisions are better made with a clear head. Unfortunately, there
are
too many people out there that become habitual users and/or have addictive
personalities. It's those people that make everything harder on those that
just
want to use on occasion for enlightenment. It's only a matter of time
before the
government shuts down the legal use of Salvia thanks to the idiots posting
all
their videos on YouTube. That's one that I'd actually be willing to try.
Anyhow, I'm going to be taking up the use of an Isolation Tank. $40 an hour
and
from what I've heard, it's just like using DMT.
Post by spookythunder on Oct 6, 2007, 11:15pm
Hi, Aubrey! I used to smoke that stuff to, but living on a farm we would
say
"roll up a hog leg" Yep , that is what got me interested in agriculture,
that is
why I joined the FFA (Future Farmers of America" That was the good old days
when
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you could spend five dollars and get a half of bag. Hardly no seeds. I
personally loved Sense, and creeper. A little Acapulco gold never hurt
anybody,
nether black jungi. Some of the best term papers that I wrote in college
was
when I was stoned. It seemed to take my imagination one step further. I
don't
smoke anymore. It has been over twenty some years ago, but I have to admit
I
sure did enjoy my self. And I would like to say, my brain still has a lot
of
wrinkles in it. No smooth lines in my brain! LOL
Post by gopi on May 21, 2008, 1:38am
Quote:My grandfather recently told me an account about how one of

his brothers (I think he was his brother, I'm not too sure
though!
lol) and that man's wife went to visit a small village in
Northern
India. I'm not sure how many years ago they visited this place
and
my overall memory of this account is quite poor, so I'll try to
ask
my grandfather to re-tell the whole thing to me as soon as
possible.
Do you have any idea WHICH village in North India? And what time of the
year?
And has anyone in the village spoken to him in all these years, asked him
anything about himself?
Post by ghostrider25 on May 24, 2008, 11:15pm
reading the above is quite interesting, i personally dont do drugs as that
took
on the subject matter for a wee while. but in the theory of a person living
on
beyond 5000 i believe is total exaggeration , i read recently about a grave
that
belonged to a scotsman dating early 1700's the chap reached north of 200
years,
his grave is in america he was one of the earliest brits to hit the country
when
we moved west. i will locate the article i read and get it added to the
forum.
Post by ghostlygal on Jun 10, 2008, 3:32pm
thats crazy! who knows what other "myths" out there are also true.
Post by rishi on Aug 13, 2009, 1:35pm
I just thought I'd bump this thread to mention that I recently remembered
that
anecdote about Ashwatthama which my grandfather told me about over a couple
of
years ago now, so I decided to ask him where that alleged sighting of
Ashwatthama occurred. He told me that, as far as he can remember, it
occurred in
Vindhyachal (which is a town in the Mirzapur District of Uttar Pradesh).
Post by contaminatedmind on Aug 13, 2009, 5:56pm
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In my contaminated mind, I have pondered the idea of immortals wondering
the
earth.
Re-inventing their identities and place in society.
Anything may be possible.
Post by sirensmelody on Aug 16, 2009, 11:10am
I love the story and as far as I know anything is possible due the many
things
we still can't explain. I am not saying rishi is a lier, but this sounds
really
neat and part of it makes me wonder of the other astonishing gems of this
world.
Wonderful tale if anything else. I would love it if this is proven to be
truth,
but would in fact prove alot damn things. Very nice read rish -^^-
Post by rishi on Aug 16, 2009, 5:05pm
If someone went to Vindhyachal with a video camera or something, SAW
Ashwatthama
with his or her own two physical eyes and took footage of him for the whole
world to see, then that would be BEYOND EPIC. It could prove, beyond all
doubt,
of the validity of the Mahabharat as a HISTORICAL document instead of a
mere
mythological poem. I mean, Ashwatthama had a fairly prominent role to play
in
the events of the Mahabharat story. He could be the Mahabharat's final
physically living link. Well, so could Kripa (since Kripa is said to be a
chiranjiva too) - but that's entirely another issue. lol
In any case, there's some dudes and dudettes out there who claim that
Ashwatthama is a siddha. In this context, Ashwatthama's alleged status as a
siddha would mean that Ashwatthama has perfected his nature through
penances to
such an extent that other people can see him with their physical eyesight
only
when and if he wants them to. So in other words, he can make himself
invisible
to us and move from one place to another incognito. Apparently, an Indian
newspaper from more than a decade ago had an article in it about a railway
employee on leave. During his wanderings in the jungles of Navsari
(Gujarat), he
had reported a very tall man of about 12 feet with a wound on his forehead.
He
claims to have had a conversation with him, but I have no idea what it
could
have been about. If Ashwatthama is indeed still alive in the flesh due to
the
curse that was temporarily placed against him (just like the Mahabharat
tells
us), then he appears to be living the rest of his life in a nomadic manner
-
aimlessly wandering from place to place. A broken man still awaiting his
redemption.
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Quote:Interesting. I don't know why someone would want to live that

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The chiranjeevs allegedly attained their longevity due to either being

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Quote:Its physically impossible unless their bodies are made up of

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Quote:Living forever is a curse, so I agree with Ajags, I can

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Unfortunately, the only 'proof' that exists is personal experience and

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Quote:Stories like this seem like an acid or mushroom trip to me.

Have any of your tripping friends reported certain commonalities in their

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