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Dr V T Sathyanathan

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Dr V T Sathyanathan

Dr V T SATHYANATHAN, M.E., Ph.D.


 Graduated in Mechanical Engineering from Coimbatore
Institute of Technology, Coimbatore in 1971.
 Master Degree In “Design And Production Of Thermal
Power Equipment” From Regional Engineering College,
Tiruchi in 1984.
 Ph.D Degree in Mechanical Engineering from Regional
Engineering College, Tiruchi, in 1998 “Prediction of
Unburnt Carbon in Tangentially Fired Boilers Using
Indian Coals”.
 Joined BHEL In 1973, worked in R & D, Field
Engineering Services, Engineering in various capacity
& as General Manager/Quality for two years
 Retired as General Manger in 2008 from BHEL Trichy
 Presently Working As Technical Advisor in Cethar
Limited Trichy

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Dr V T SATHYANATHAN, M.E., Ph.D.


 Specialised
 In Coal, Oil & Gas Combustion, Boiler Pressure Parts Failure Analysis
 Trouble Shooting Of Coal , Oil And Gas Fired Boilers, Chemical
Recovery Boilers And Stoker Fired Boilers
 Plant Betterment Of Old Boilers
 Performance Testing & Performance Optimisation Of Boilers
 Has vast experience in the area of Residual Life Assessment of boiler
pressure parts
 Petrographic Analysis Of Coal
 Was appointed as the enquiry committee member by Government of
Tamilnadu, for investigation of a severe explosion in the Rotary Holding
Furnace (RHF) in Copper Smelting Plant of M/s. Sterlite Industries (I) Ltd.,
Tuticorin Tamilnadu
 Has presented more than 40 papers in both National and International
Seminars & 83 in http://www.brighthub.com/members/drvts.aspx
 My PhD work was referred by seven renowned universities abroad
 Teach Special Subjects In Horticulture - Art Of Bonsai & Cacti

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Boiler Design to meet


Wide Range of Coal
Specifications - Challenges

Dr V T Sathyanathan
Retired General Manager
Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd;
Tiruchirappalli

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Arrangement
 Introduction
 Coal Property Variations & Design Issues
 Grouping of Indian Coals for Boiler Design
 Boiler Efficiency
 Effect Of Ash On Boiler Design
 Conclusion
 Points to Ponder

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Introduction

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Emerging Market
Challenges and Demands

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Scenario
Continual Reduction in Delivery time
Coal will remain as the fuel of future
Affordable cost of generation
 Higher Efficiency
 Optimal Aux Power Consumption
Higher Unit Sizes
Use of large varieties of fuel for BFBC
/ CFBC Boilers

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Scenario
Suitability for differing modes of
operation, and grid conditions
 Free Governance Mode, Availability Based Tariff
Increasing environmental control
norms
High Reliability & Availability
Optimal life cycle cost
Leveraging IT
Life Extension of Power Plants &
capacity upgrades
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Impact
Shorter Engg & manufacturing
time
Advanced planning of materials
Expectations to erect and
commission in short cycle
Weight reduction measures
Elimination of non value added
activities and process at all levels

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Impact (Cont)
Very high availability & PLF to be
achieved
Better heat rate and low cost
power
Lower pollution levels
Better position in ABT
Low gestation period
Better MTBF & MTTR
Many OEM boilers addressed
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Concern
Making the optimal plant heat
rate
Handling the fuel quality change
Operational deviations
Reducing the damage
mechanisms
Increasing MTBF
Addressing old power plants
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Methodology to address concerns

Operational
feedback
Design
improvements

Design
Feedback
New
Design

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The Facts

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Electricity Generation by Fuel, 2004 and 2030


Report #: DOE/EIA-0383(2006)

4000

3500

3000
Billion kilowatthours

2500

2004
2000
2030
1500

1000

500

0
Coal Nuclear Natural Gas Renewables Petroleum

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You are under constant pressure

To increase boiler efficiency & output


To increase reliability & safety
To reduce risk & total cost of
operation

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Data from CEA web site


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Generating Capacity in the country

Gas
Coal 10.7%
59% Diesel
1.1%
Nuclear
2.5%

Wind
1.7%
Hydro
25%
Fuel wise Installed Capacity

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Generating Capacity in the country

Data from CEA web site


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Focus

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Customer
Needs

Realized
Performance

Specified
Requirements
(Design)

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Missing
Customer Needs
Zero RH Spray

Accidental Un-realized
Boiler efficiency? Keeping high
excess air

Running
unit with
Excellent
high APH
outlet temp

Redundant
Wasted Ineffective SB

Ritual Air & Fuel moisture loss

Specified Requirement
Realised Performance (Design)
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PLANT EFFICIENCY & HEAT RATE

482.8 Mkcal/hr 420 Mkcal/hr 180.6 Mkcal/hr 172 Mkcal/hr

boiler 210
T
MW 200 MW
120.7 t/h auxpower 10 MW
4000 kcal/kg

87.0 % 2000 kcal/kwhr 43.0 %

2299 kcal/kwhr 37.4%

2414 kcal/kwhr 35.6 %

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Carbonisation Of Solid Fuels

Moisture and ash free


C (%) O + N (%) H (%)
Wood 50 44 6
Peat 55-64 39-35 5-7
Brown Coal 60-75 34-17 4-8
Bituminous Coal 78-90 19-4 4-6
Anthracite 94-98 3-1 1-3
Graphite 100 -- --

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Coals for Power Stations


Power stations often receive coals from two or more
mines
Coal properties vary from mine to mine & even seam
to seam
Boilers are required to fire the coals from the
available linkages
Boiler performance dependent on coal properties -
Different coals will give different performance
Designing for optimum performance with widely
varying properties presents a varying set of
demands before the boiler designer

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Coal Properties Affecting


Boiler Design
Calorific Value
Ash Quantity & Properties
Fuel ratio ( FC/VM)
Coal Reactivity
Moisture
Grindability
Proximate Analysis, Ultimate Analysis, Ash Properties
& Coal Petrography - insight into the coal properties
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Coal Petrography
The Emerging Tool – Mainly Trouble shooting

Identifies the constituents of different


reactivity
Explains why two coals with similar
analysis behave differently
Helps to assess the behaviour of a new
coal by comparison with coal that has
been characterised earlier

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110
100
% HEAT RELEASE

Heat from FC
90
80 Heat from VM
70
60
50 2
40
30
0 2 4 6 8 10 12
TIME IN MINUTES

Coal 2 Coal 1

HEAT RELEASE PROFILES OF Coal 1 & Coal 2


(courtesy - Mr. K. Nandakumar AGM R & D / BHEL, Trichy.

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Coal Property Variations


Design Issues

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Effect Of Fuel On Boiler Design


 Wide range of coal properties
 Lead to oversized pulverising/firing equipment
• Limitation on turn down
• Auxiliary power consumption will go up.
 Oversized furnace
• Attaining rated SH, RH outlet temperature becomes
difficult.
 Oversizing pulverisers and airheaters to
handle occasionally high moisture coals
 when handling normal moisture coals
• there will be excessive tempering air
• higher gas outlet temperature

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Normally specified Coal Properties


 Proximate Analysis
 Ultimate Analysis
 Calorific Value
 Ash Constituents
 Ash Fusion Temperatures
 Hard Grove Index
 YGP Index

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Typical Indian Coals


Proximate Analysis
Unit Design Worst Best
Coal Coal Coal

Fixed carbon % 22.0 20.0 25.0


Volatile matter % 21.0 19.5 23.0
Moisture % 15.0 16.5 14.0
Ash % 42.0 44.0 38.0
Total % 100.0 100.0 100.0
HHV Kcal/kg 3300 3000 3600

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Typical Indian Coals


Ultimate Analysis
Unit Design Coal Worst Coal Best Coal

Carbon % 33.73 30.90 38.26


Hydrogen % 2.35 2.09 2.49
Oxygen(difference) % 5.48 5.00 5.96
sulphur % 0.37 0.36 0.38
Nitrogen % 0.75 0.85 0.57
Moisture % 15.00 16.50 14.00
Ash % 42.00 44.00 38.00
HARD GROVE INDEX 55 54 56

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Ash Characteristics -Typical Indian Coals


Design Worst Best

Initial Deformation Temp. Deg.C 1150 1100 1200


Hemispherical Temp. Deg.C 1400 1400 1400
Fusion Temp. Deg.C 1400 1400 1400
Ash Analysis:
A – SiO2 % 60.08 61.40 60.30
A – Al2O3 % 29.50 28.50 29.80
B – Fe2O3 % 4.10 3.90 4.70
B – CaO % 1.70 1.93 1.57
B – MgO % 0.75 0.92 0.59
B – Na2O + K2O % 0.65 0.85 0.53
A – TiO2 % 1.70 1.60 1.80
- P2O5 % 0.80 1.10 0.13
- SO3 % 0.27 0.31 0.25

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Heat Transfer in Furnace - Uncertainties


 Furnace wall condition
 The deposition potential prediction by use of slagging
indices still subjective
 Laboratory determination of emissitivity &
absorptivity does not reflect the furnace conditions.
 Heat release rates
 FC/VM ratio only indicative ; coal petrography may indicate
different results
 Particle fineness
 Higher fineness at times can separate the slow reactive
particles from the high reactive, resulting in delayed
combustion.
 Accuracy of Prediction by theoretical methods
affected by complexity of factors

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Ash Analysis

Provides indicators to
 Slagging / fouling / deposition
potential
 Erosion potential
 Corrosion potential

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Slagging/deposition
Slagging /deposition indices
 Ash deformation temperatures
Lower the number, higher the tendency for deposition
 Base/ Acid Ratio
In certain ranges the combinations have low melting
temperatures, resulting in higher deposition
 Iron/ Calcium ratio
lower fusiblity temperatures in certain ranges
 Iron Content in Ash
Higher the content , more the propensity for deposition
 Silica / Alumina Ratio
Lower fusiblity temperatures at higher ratios
 Viscosity Index
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Slagging Indices
( based on a typical design stage input)

Design Coal Worst Coal Best Coal


Base / Acid 0.11 Low 0.11 Low 0.15 Low
Ratio

Iron / Calcium 1.32 High 1.39 High 4.86 Severe


Ratio

Silica / 2.13 Medium 2.26 Medium 2.20 Medium


Alumina Ratio

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Design of heat transfer surfaces


Furnace design is the most crucial part of boiler
design
Coal characteristics decide the heat release
rates, furnace wall conditions and consequently
the the furnace heat transfer
Proper understanding of the coal behaviour w.r.t
combustion and heat transfer very essential in
designing for satisfactory boiler performance

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Furnace Heat Transfer


 Furnace wall condition
 Combustion Heat release rate
 Emissivity, absorptivity and thermal
conductivity of deposits.
 Ash dust loading
 Pulverised fuel fineness
 Mill Combination (Top, Middle, Bottom)
 Air regime for combustion

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Designing for erosion protection


 Indian coals contain large quantum of ash
The quantity of ash passing thru the boiler is of the order of 125
kg/ Million kcal (compared to 40 kg/Mkcal for an average grade
coal)
 Indian coal-ash highly erosive- 60% Silica.
 Flue gas velocity in the range of 10-12 m/s
adopted
 Additional thickness provided on tubes in
erosion prone areas
 Sacrificial shields/ baffles provided on
leading tubes/ bends

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Coal Ash – the Crucial Factor


The behaviour of the ash during the
combustion process and managing the
coal-ash are the major issues in boiler
design
Ash Properties – Slagging / Deposition
Indicators
Ash deformation temperatures
Base/ Acid Ratio
Iron/ Calcium ratio
Iron Content
Silica / Alumina Ratio
Viscosity Index

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Factors Influencing Furnace


Heat Transfer
Radiative properties of the flame
Flame Temperature
Furnace wall condition
Combustion Heat release rate
Emissivity, absorptivity and thermal
conductivity of deposits.
Ash dust loading
Pulverised fuel fineness
Mill Combination
Air regime for combustion

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Coal property variation – Effect


on Boiler Performance
Calorific Value Quantity of coal to be fired

Ash Quantity Radiation shielding, Erosion, Quantity of ash to be


handled
Ash Furnace wall conditions, heat transfer
characteristics
Fuel ratio Combustibility, Heat release rates
(FC/VM)
Coal Reactivity Excess air requirement & coal fineness

Moisture Heat transfer, mill capacity & outlet temperature, Boiler


exit gas temperature, Boiler efficiency
Grindability Mill capacity

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Coals being specified currently:


Design Coal

Worst Coal

Best Coal

Range of coals – covers properties

better than the best coal

worse than the worst coal

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Coals for Boiler Design-


Design- Typical Analysis
Best Design Worst
Range
coal coal coal
Total
% 14.00 15.00 16.50 12-18
Moisture
Ash % 38.00 42.00 44.00 35.5-49.5
Volatile
% 23.00 21.00 19.50 25-16.5
matter
Fixed
% 25.00 22.00 20.00 27.5-16
Carbon
Gross
Calorific Kcal/Kg 3700 3300 3000 4100-2350
Value
Hard Grove
56 55 54 60-52
Index
Initial
deformation Deg.C 1200 1150 1100 1050-1250
temp. (IDT)
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Coal, Ash & Moisture quantities


500 MW boiler – Typical Values

Best Design Worst Range of


coal coal coal Coal
Coal 332 377 418 303-529
quantity t/h
Ash quantity 126 158 184 108-262
t/h
Moisture t/h 18 57 69 13-95

Performance design and equipment sizing to cater to


the range of Coal , Ash & Moisture quantities

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Design Approach – Yester Years

Design Coal – formed the basis for


Boiler design
Optimising the boiler performance
Sizing the boiler auxiliaries
Worst Coal – formed the basis for
checking the capacity of the boiler to
generate the rated output

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Design Approach – Present


Requirements
Requirements to be complied for the most stringent
conditions resulting either from the range of coals or
from the range of operating conditions or from both
occurring simultaneously

Equipment sizing margins specified over the Worst of


Design, Best or Worst Coals requirements

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Furnace Design
Impact of Coal& Ash variations
Large furnace required for
High ash, low grade coal
Coals with slagging / deposition tendency
Low reactive coals
Smaller furnace required for
Low ash, high calorific value coals
Non slagging coals
Highly reactive coals
Furnace performance depends on the sizing basis
and the coal being fired
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Superheater & Reheater Design


Impact of Coal& Ash variations
High ash/low grade coals require lesser surface area
Low ash/good coals require more surface area
Heat transfer impacted by the furnace outlet
temperature variations
Surface heat transfer conditions influenced by ash
properties
Erosive ash warrants low flue gas velocities
Large surface area required to offset the sub-
optimum heat transfer at low velocities
De-superheating spray/ short fall in temperature could
be experienced with coals with extreme properties

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Economiser Design Considerations


Impact of Coal& Ash variations

Flue gas temperature leaving has to be


 high enough to meet mill drying
requirements with Low HHV and highest
moisture coals
 low to minimise the gas temp leaving AH
with design and low moisture coals
Additional provisions like Economiser
gas bypass to be provided with wide
band of coals
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Primary & Secondary Air


Impact of Coal Variations

Primary Air flow depends on the coal flow t/hr


Coal requirement changes with HHV
Primary air & Secondary air requirements
change with HHV
Warrants tuning of the air regime for
optimum combustion with individual coal

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Mill Selection Requirements


Spare Mills required:
At TMCR worst coal Two
At BMCR worst coal firing One
At BMCR design coal firing Two
All mills together to meet BMCR very worst coal
Mills required for a 500 MW unit
Normal operation 6/7
To meet the above conditions 10

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Additional Mills –
Implication on Boiler
Bigger Primary air Fans
Bigger Primary airheaters
Increased boiler height
Additional ducting & dampers
Complicated fuel pipe routing
Additional space, Cramped layouts
Additional Coal Bunkers
Coal handling system enhancement
Additional C&I
Additional equipment for maintenance
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Additional Mills –
Implications on Performance
Normal design for optimum performance with middle
mills operation
Furnace & SH/RH performance depends on the
elevations in service – wider variations with more
number of mill elevations
Top mills in service result in more heat to the SH&RH
Bottom mills in service result in lesser heat to the
superheater & reheater
Increased SH / RH spray or short fall in temperatures
when firing coals with extreme properties

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Fans & Ducts – Design Requirements


 Air / flue gas flow
 The highest of the requirement with
Design/Worst/Best coal
• Best Coal - The highest Secondary air flow
• Worst coal - The highest Primary air flow, the highest
flue gas flow
 Excess air
 25%(rated operation with 20%)
 Ambient conditions
 The highest ambient temperature
 Operating Conditions
 BMCR or Single stream operation at 60% load
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Fan Selection & Performance


Impact of Coal Variations

Margins applied over the highest duty


requirement
 Makes the equipment unduly large
 Results in operating points considerably
lower than the design point
 Drive motors operate at 40% load at
normal load
 Reduce the efficiency at operating point &
increase power consumption
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Fan Design Point – 500 MW Boilers


Description Unit 1980s 2000s %
Worst Coal kcal/kg 3300 3200 97
HHV
Design Coal kcal/kg 4050 4000 99
HHV
PA Fan – cum/s 152.3 185 121
Volume mmwc 1143 1278 112
Head
ID Fan – cum/s 533.8 593.3 111
Volume mmwc 409 502 123
Head
Application of margins on worst conditions
increases equipment sizes.
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Duct Sizing
Sizing for all the worst conditions –
leads to large size ducts
Operate at much low velocity at rated
load with normal coals
Low flue gas velocity often leads to ash
settlement in the ducts.

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Dust Collector

Low grade coals, with high ash warrant


large dust collectors
Higher equipment cost
Higher Ash handling system cost
More space requirement

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Designing for Range of Coals


Quantity Range Performance
Variation wrt of impact
Design Coal Variation

Coal -20% to + 40 % 60% Fuel preparation &


firing system

Ash -30% to +65% 95% Furnace SH/RH/Eco

Moisture - 77% to +66% 143% Heat transfer,


Airheater
performance, Boiler
efficiency

•Optimising the performance with design coal


•Balancing the contrasting requirements with extreme coals

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Grouping of Indian Coals for


Boiler Design

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Most of the coal resources


are concentrated within 78 to
88 E longitude and 22 to 24 N
latitude

44 major coal fields in


peninsular India - 450 seams

Raniganj, Talcher, Ib-Valley,


Jharia, N.Karanpura, Korba,
Godavari, Singareni,
Rajmahal, Karanpura,
Singarauli, Wardha and
Bokaro, account for 90% of
the reserves.

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Distribution of Fuel Ratio


80

70

60

50

40

30

20

10

0
0.0-0.2 0.2-0.4 0.4-0.6 0.6-0.8 0.8-1.0 1.0-1.2 1.2-1.4 1.4-1.6 1.6-1.8 1.8-2.0 2.0-2.2 2.2-2.4 2.4-2.6 2.6-2.8
Range of Fuel Ratio

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Distribution of Ash
Per Million Kcals
Number of Coals

70
60
50
40
30
20
10
0
20-40 40-60 60-80 80- 100- 120- 140- 160- 180-
100 120 140 160 180 200
Ash Range (Kgs)

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Number of Coals
10
00

0
20
40
60
80
10 -10
2 0 20
10 -10
4 0 40
10 -10
6 0 60
10 -10
8 0 80
11 -11
0 0 00
11 -11
2 0 20
11 -11
4 0 40
11 -11
6 0 60
11 -11
8 0 80
12 -12
0 0 00
IDT Range (Deg.C)

12 -12
2 0 20
12 -12
4 0 40
12 -12
Distribution of Initial

6 0 60
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12 -12
8 0 80
Deformation Temperature

-1
30
0
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FIXED CARBON / VOLATILE MATTER - DISTRIBUTION


( Group 1 - 0.6 to 1.2 ; Group 2 - 1.2 to 1.8 ; Group 3 - 1.8 to 3.01)

160
144
140

120
101
100
No. of Coals

80

60

40 33

20

0
1 2 3
Coal Group

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ASH LOADING - DISTRIBUTION


( Group 1 - 20 to 90 Kg/MKcal; Group 2 - 90 to 140 Kg/MKcal;Group 3 -140 to 200 Kg/MKcal)

160
148

140

120

100
N o. of C oals

88

80

60

42
40

20

0
1 2 3
Coal Group

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INITIAL DEFORMATION TEMPERATURE - DISTRIBUTION


( Group 1 -1000 to 1100 Deg C; Group 2 - 1100 to 1200 Deg C;
Group 3 - 1200 to 1290 Deg C)

180
161
160

140

120
No. of Coals

100 93

80

60

40
24
20

0
1 2 3
Coal Group

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COAL GROUPING CONSIDERING ALL THE 3 ASPECTS

250

223

200

150
No. of Coals

100

50
30
16

0
1 2 3
Coal Group

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Boiler Efficiency

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Boiler Efficiency
This is influenced by coal properties,
ambient temp. & relative humidity,Boiler
exit gas temp.
 Determines the heat input to the boiler

 Forms the basis for air & gas weight

calculations,quantity of coal fired

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Boiler Efficiency (contd..)


 Every 20degc increase in exit gas temp. reduces the
boiler efficiency by 1%
 Increase in excess air by 1%reduces the boiler

efficiency by 0.04%

 Higher moisture and higher H2 content and lower

calorific value of coal decreases the boiler efficiency

-1%H2 increase leads to approximately 1.3% loss

and 1%M increase leads to 0.2%loss in efficiency

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Effect Of Ash On Boiler


Design

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Boiler Design At Various Ash Levels


ROM
unwashed Washed Washed
Coal-1 Coal-2
Coal
Proximate Analysis
FC % 24 31 37

VM % 22 22 25

M % 12 13 14

Ash % 42 34 24

HHV kcal/kg 3400 3610 4315


HGI 50 50 50
Ash kg / Mkcal fired 124 94 56

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Boiler weight and cost

%Ash 42 34 24

Weight Base -7% -11%

SG package cost Base -6% -10%

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Conclusion

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Conclusion
 Steam generator performance greatly
influenced by the coal/ash properties
 Special design considerations required to
ensure satisfactory performance for the
range of coals
 Trade offs required to accommodate wide
bands- increases the cost and at times
compromises the equipment performance.
The design of a modern day power plant is a
synthesis of thermal performance criteria with
economic considerations.
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Points to Ponder
Coal Properties
 Possibility of narrowing the variation band
Specification for the Very Worst coal
 Should we consider all the worst factors
occurring simultaneously?
Equipment sizing criteria
 Scope for a revisit based on the operating
experience

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Thank You All


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