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BEFORE
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THE PLAINFIELD TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION
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4 Thursday, September 6, 2018
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6 IN RE: Grand Central Sanitary Landfill, Inc.
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8 WIND GAP ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
1620 Teels Road
9 Pen Argyl, Pennsylvania 18072
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11 PRESENT: PAUL LEVITS, Chairperson
ROBERT SIMPSON, Vice-Chairperson
12 THOMAS PETRUCCI, Township Manager
TERRY KLEINTOP, Member
13 ROBIN DINGLE, Member
JEFFREY BEAVAN, Member
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JOHN LEZOCHE, Zoning Officer
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PAIGE GERTSTENBERG, Secretary
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DAVID BACKENSTOE, ESQUIRE, Solicitor
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JASON E. SMITH, PSW, Senior Scientist
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I ovember 15th.
ALSO PRESE T: 2 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Can I get a
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3 motion to agree to their extension to ovember 15th,
BY: MATTHEW GOODRICH. ESQUIRE 4 2018?
6~ I Markel Street
Bangor, PA 18013-1 01 5 MR. KLEI TOP: I make that motion.
6 61 0.588.021~ 6 THE CHAIRMA : Motion by Terry
-- For Synagro
7 7 Kleintop. Second?
8 SAUL EWI GAR STEI & LEHR. LLP 8 MR. SIMPSO : Second.
BY: ELIZABETH WITMER, ESQUIRE
9 1200 Liberty Ridge Drive 9 THE CHAIRMA : Seconded by Bob
Suite 200
10 Wayne, PA 19087
10 Simpson. Discussion? A II those in favor say Aye?
61 0.~08.HOO II THE CHAIRMA : All those in favor say
II -- For Waste Management and Synagro
12 12 Aye.
McFALL. LA YMA & JORDAN, P.C. 13 MS. DI GLE: Aye.
13 BY: PETER LA YMA ,ESQUIRE
13~ Broadway 14 MR. SIMPSON: Aye.
I~ Bangor. PA 18013 15 MR. KLEINTOP: Aye.
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15 -- For Pen Argyl Borough 16 MR. BEA VAN: Abstained.
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SPEAKERS ON THE RECORD'
17 THE CHAIRMA : All right. Again, just
17 18 to reiterate, let's be courteous to one another. We
JIM HECHT, Project Manager Synagro
18 DA VE ALLE ,Civil Engineer, EarthRes
19 can get a lot more done from both sides.
TOM PULLAR. Senior Project Manager. 20 The next -- first thing we did the
19 EarthRes
CHRIS BALL. Waste Management 21 time extension. We don't have to table any plans.
20 SCOTT PERIN. director for Waste Management 22 There's no new business. This is strictly for
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21 23 Synagro. So the first order of business we're going
13 24 to have Hanover Engineering, our science specialist.
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25 25 who did the review. The board has seen the review
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THE CHAIRMAN: Calling the meeting to I letter, but has not had time to discuss it amongst
2 order here for the September 6th planning commission 2 ourselves or at public meeting. I should say, so I'm
3 meeting with the Synagro project. 3 going to ask Jason Sm ith to cover his review letter
4 (Pledge of allegiance.) 4 and we'll discuss that and then we'll move to the
5 THE CHAIRMAN: Welcome. A couple of 5 presentation by Synagro.
6 housekeeping items before we get staned. If you 6 MS. WITMER: Mr. Backenstoe, I would
7 have not heard. this meeting will conclude at 9:30. 7 just ask, we actually have already responded to that
8 That's at the reque t or the demands of the school. 8 letter as well. So if we're going to read his
9 That's not our decision. So whoever is speaking at 9 letter, could we also read our response or --
10 that time will wrap up their comments and then we'll 10 THE CHAIRMA: ot at this time,
II end for the day. .. I1 because the board has not had an opportunity to
12 First order of business here is a time 12 interact with this review publicly. The only thing
13 extension. The applicant granted that to what date? 13 we've had was to get the review letter and then you
14 MR. GOODRICH: ovember 15th_ 2018. 14 had your time to put together your response, so at
15 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. 15 this point I think the board deserves an opportunity
16 MR. BACKE, STOE: Can wejust do that 16 to discuss what's here.
17 to the end of the month. for purposes of 17 MR. SMITH: Thank you. As requested,
18 bookkeeping? 18 we reviewed the most recent materials submitted
19 MR. GOODRICH: If there's a need for 19 by--
20 an additional extension. we would be willing to 20 MS. WITMER: If the court reporter can
21 extend it. 21 note for the record, we all agree that he read his
22 MR. BACKE STOE: I hate to limit the 22 letter --
23 township. 23 MR. BACKE STOE: Attorney Witmer has
24 MR. GOODRICH: I understand. But at 24 indicated that if Jason Smith, the soil scientist.
25 this time we're willing to give an extension to 25 who is going to read the letter into the record,

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I that stenographer can simply get a copy of it and
2 transcribe it. And I'm going to ask Jason. is that
3 \\'hat you're going to do at this point?
4 MR. SMITH: Yes.
5 MR. BACKENSTOE: In addition to any
6 comments.
7 MS. WITMER: Thank you.
8 MR. SMITH: As requested. we have
9 reviewed the most recent plan set that accompanies
10 the materials sent by EarthRes Engineering and
II Science with the above-referenced project. dated
12 February 6th. 2018. We offer the following comments
13 related to wetlands. waters. and riparian buffer
14 impact.
15 U IDE TIFIED PERSON: We cannot hear
16 you.
17 MR. SMITH: We offer the follo\\'ing
18 comments related to wetlands. waters. and riparian
19 buffer impact concerns for the township's
20 consideration.
21 Number one. based on input from the
22 Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection.
23 The PA DEP letter to Mr. Glenn Kempa at Grand
24 Central Sanitation Landfill dated August 10th. 2018.
25 And as confirmed in correspondence from applicant's
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I engineer dated July 31 st, 2018, the pond on the site
2 is regulated as a waters of the Commonwealth. The
3 pond should be labeled accordingly on the plan. As
4 such, the proposed project must be in full·
5 compliance with all state regulations.
6 umber 2, based on available
7 information, the pond on site may be regulated as a
8 waters of the United States. The pond is shown on
9 the United States Geological Survey and atural
10 Resources Conservation Soil Survey, and it has a
II surface connection to the Little Bushkill Creek or
12 Waltz Creek via an emergency spillway shown on
13 several recent plan sets, including the currently
14 proposed plans and the previously approved and
15 constructed plans for the proposed sediment Basin
16 NO.2 for the Grand Central Sanitary Landfill
17 operations dated August 8th, 2000, last revised and
18 approved date of December 18th, 2007.
19 Additionally, the applicant has
20 indicated that the pond does not discharge, yet
21 there is a significant drainage area and stormwater
22 directed into it, strongly suggesting that the pond
23 has a direct connection to groundwater and nearby
24 streams, including Little Bushkill and Waltz Creeks.
25 These potential surface water and
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groundwater connections of the pond to the nearby
2 streams may be nexus qualifying the pond as a waters
3 of the United States. As such. the proposed project
4 would need to be in full compliance with all federal
5 regulations.
6 Number 3. based on the concern for
7 connection of the pond to groundwater and nearby
8 surface waters. as discussed above in the prior
9 comment. a hydrogeological study should be performed
10 and provided to document what is happening to water
I I that is entering and leaving the pond.
12 Number 4. based on definitions in the
13 Township's Municipal Code of Ordinances and
14 classification of the pond as a waters of the
15 Commonwealth. the pond on site is regulated by the
16 township's ordinances.
17 Therefore. the applicant's proposed
18 project must be in full compliance with those
19 ordinances. This includes proper delineation and
20 documentation of all applicable wetlands and waters.
21 as well as protection by associated buffers of both
22 on and off-site wetlands and waters.
23 More specifically. A. based on
24 Sections 22-1023.4.F and 22-1023.8 of the Plainfield
25 Township Subdivision and Land Development Ordinance.
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I the applicant must provide a delineation of all
2 wetlands and waters on the site. along with a
3 supporting report. In accordance with standard
4 practices and procedures endorsed by the nited
5 States Army Corps of Engineers. wetlands and waters
6 delineations and reports must not be older than five
7 years in order to be valid.
8 The delineation of wetlands and waters
9 must be conducted by a qualified professional. All
10 delineated boundaries of wetlands and waters must be
I I submitted to the township. with field location
12 defined by bearings and distances and tied to
13 property corners at two points on a sealed plan by a
14 professional land sur eyor.
15 The plan shall also contain a
16 certification by a qualified professional
17 responsible for the field delineation. indicating
18 that he/she has viewed the plan and does hereby
19 certifY to the best of hislher knowledge and belief.
20 it is a correct representation of the wetlands
21 boundaries which he/she delineated in the field on a
22 specific date.
23 B. based on definitions provided in
24 Section 22-1023.10 of the Plaintiff Township
25 Subdivision and Land Development Ordinance. the
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tmmship may require the applicant to submit a
2 current and valid jurisdictional determination from
3 the nited States Army Corps of Engineers to verify
4 the finding of the delineation of wetlands and
5 \\aters on the site. A valid confirmation of the
6 accuracy of the water and wetlands delineation is
7 necessary to help ensure that local. state and
8 federal regulations are properly being administered
9 and enforced.
10 The township would be within its right
II to accept ajurisdictional determination from the
12 United States Army Corps of Engineers for the
13 project site to verify the delineation of wetlands
14 and waters. noting the right to appeal the
15 determ ination.
16 C. based on Sections 22-1 023.4.F and
17 22-1023.8 of the Plainfield Township Subdivision and
18 Land Development Ordinance. the complete boundary of
19 the Waltz Creek must be shown on the plan.
20 D. based on Section 22-1023 of the
21 Plainfield Township Subdivision and Land Development
22 Ordinance. the 50-foot open space and 100 foot
23 riparian buffers on the site and within the proposed
24 project area for both on-site and applicable
25 off-site wetlands and waters. must be sho\m on the
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proposed plan.
2 E. based on Section 22-1023 of the
3 Plainfield Township Subdivision and Land Development
4 Ordinance. the currently proposed plan is not in
5 compliance with requirements for open space and
6 riparian buffer area protection. All open space and
7 riparian buffer areas must be protected from
8 proposed project impacts.
9 The current plan set indicates
10 considerable temporary and permanent impacts to open
II space and riparian buffer areas by large quantities
12 of fill material. structures. parking lots. travel
13 lanes and utilities. which is not allowable per the
14 ordinance. Specific areas of noncompliance include
15 riparian buffer for the wetland along the \\'estern
16 edge of the site. the open space buffer around the
17 existing pond. and the riparian buffer along Waltz
18 Creek.
19 I umber 5. the proposed plan shows
20 significant impacts for filling of a portion of the
21 on-site pond. The applicant should provide the
22 township \\"ith copies of all state and federal
23 permits. approvals and/or formal correspondence
24 indicating compliance for the proposed impacts.
25 Number 6. the applicant has indicated
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I that the proposed impacts to the ponds are waived of
2 permit requirements under Chapter I 05.12(a)(6) which
3 reads:
4 A water obstruction or encroachment
5 located in. along. across or projecting into a
6 storm\\ater management facility or an erosion and
7 sedimentation pollution control facility which mcets
8 the requirements of Chapter 102. relating to erosion
9 and sediment control. if the facility was
10 constructed and continues to be maintained for the
II designated purpose.
12 Based on the history of the pond
13 developing in an old quarry. and not as a designed
14 and constructed stormwater management facility or as
15 an erosion and sediment pollution control facility.
16 the \\"aiver of the permit requirements under Chapter
17 105.2(a)(6) does not seem applicable. even though
18 the pond has been used for those purposes.
19 Further. in consideration of the
20 aforementioned connection to the pond groundwater.
21 and likely to nearby surface waters. there is
22 concern for potential effects upon safety or the
23 protection of life. health. property or the
24 environment. as provided in Chapter I 05.12(a). for
25 which the department may require the owner of the
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I structure to apply for and obtain a permit under
2 this chapter.
3 Therefore. the township should discuss
4 this concern with the PA DEP and request that a
5 formal permit be required for the proposed project
6 impacts to ensure both the protection of both
7 surface and groundwater from the proposed activities
8 at this site.
9 umber 7. the proposed plans do not
10 include storm water best management practices. BMPs.
II designed to protect the water quality of the pond
12 and/or downstream waterways. as required under
13 Chapter 102. noting proposed new discharges to the
14 pond. the Little Bushkill Creek. and the Waltz
15 Creek.
16 The pond and downstream waterways are
17 waters of the Commonwealth and should be adequately
18 protected from stormwater impacts to water quality
19 and quantity originating as part of the proposed
20 facilities.
21 THE CHAIRMA : Okay. Thank you. Are
22 there any questions from the board. clarifications
23 needed?
24 MR. KLEI TOP: o.
25 MR. SIMPSON: o.
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MS. Of GLE: Regarding number 7.
2 Jason. can we be more specific regarding the water
3 classification than Chapter 102?
4 MR. SMITH: At this time. Robin. I
5 wouldn't be able to comment on that.
6 THE CHAIRMA : Jason. on page 2. (b).
7 the Township would be within its right to accept
8 jurisdictional determination from the United States
9 Army Corps of Engineers. Explain how that operates.
10 please.
II MR. SMITH: Typically the PA DEP and
12 other agencies would recognize the Corps of
13 Engineer's jurisdiction of determination for a site
14 as an official determination of the wetlands and
15 waterways boundaries from which state regulations.
16 local regulations and such would then be -- would
17 then be regulated and enforced.
18 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Thank you.
19 MR. SMITH: Basically just providing a
20 good definition of what the wetlands and waterways
21 boundaries are for all levels of government.
22 MR. KLEINTOP: Jason. did you review
23 the engineering plans. the blueprints that converted
24 this into a sediment basin? I assume would be about
25 10 years old.
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1 MR. SMITH: I did not conduct a formal
2 review of those plans. but I am familiar with the
3 plans. And it's my understanding that there were
4 certain modifications made to the pond at that time
5 to convert it for use as -- as a storm water basin.
6 MR. KLE TOP: The reason I ask is.
7 looking at this. the best that I can determine was
8 that they filled in a portion of the quarry. I
9 couldn't detect anything else which in my mind would
10 fit the bill of some type of engineering.
1I MR. SMITH: I would agree that
12 reviewing the aerials it's hard to determine \\hat
13 would have actually qualified this as a conversion
14 from what it was to a sediment basin for stormwater
15 purposes.
16 MR. KLEINTOP: That being said. if we
17 haven't seen a set of plans. what did the DEP revie\\·
18 in order to satisfy themselves and approve this as a
19 sediment basin under Chapter I02?
20 MR. SMITH: Terry. I cannot answer
21 that question. The review was conducted many years
22 ago by DE?
23 MR. KLEINTO?: Can anyone sitting at
24 the table in front of us answer that question?
25 MS. WITMER: Yes. sir.
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UNIDE TIFIED PERSOI : We cannot hear
2 you.
3 MS. WITMER: Sir. with regard to your
4 question. the -- the quarry was converted into a
5 sedimentation basin and required permitting by
6 Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection
7 as you surmised.
8 Those permit documents are included in
9 the application. both in the original and in the
10 resubmission in the stormwater submission. the
11 report that we made.
12 MR. GOODRICH: Appendix E.
13 MR. KLEINTOP: I have seen some of
14 that. What I'm interested in. if anyone here
15 representing Plainfield Township has happened to
16 review any type of engineering plans that justify
17 the distinction that the DE? made.
18 MS. WITMER: The permit drawings are
19 included within our application and. you know. \\"ere
20 available to the township both then and are
2 I available now.
22 MR. GOODRICH: Additionally. just
23 speaking to that as well. it's my understanding that
24 back when the application was made. the township
25 actually deferred storm water review with the DEP.
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I MS. 011 GLE: What was that application
2 specifically for?
3 MS. WITMER: Do you want to just read
4 it?
5 MR. ?ULLAR: Tom Pullar. P-U-L-L-A-R.
6 with EarthRes. We did respond to your comments. We
7 prepared a letter dated August 3 I st. which included
8 basically direct responses to your comments.
9 It also included a history of the
10 quarry. So that used to be Doney II. and we got a
I I picture here which I understand you may not be able
12 to see. but we did provide copies in the submission.
13 that the lower one. which is in black and white. is
14 the way it used to be and it also shows some of the
15 other quarries in the area and that's when it was a
16 quarry.
17 And then it was covered under DE?
18 mining at the time. When the mining stopped. it was
19 closed out and it was converted. repurposed. into a
20 storm water management sedimentation basin for the
21 landfill.
22 So mining had jurisdiction. It
23 basically closed it out. It released the bond for
24 that area. And permitting then went to DEP. the
25 waste management group. It was part of the
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I stormwater management plan and erosion control plan
2 for the landfill. and that's how it's been -- that's
3 how it's been regulated and managed since then.
4 So what we have done in this
5 case -- and the history is provided.
6 MS. DINGLE: What I am trying to get
7 to. though. the requirements to be called a sediment
8 basin has to fulfill Chapter 102 in order to
9 regulate as such. It sounds like in going over the
10 stormwater process. you haven't fulfilled Chapter
11 102. And a lot of the drawings and information I've
12 seen. it is just labeled as a sediment basin. It
13 doesn't ever say we're applying for a permit. here's
14 the overflow. here's how it satisfies the Chapter
15 102 requirements.
16 It seems like you're doing more of a
17 storm water management plan. this is where we're
18 putting water. but you never did Chapter 102.
19 MR. P LLAR: The erosion control plan
20 and approval was part of that submission.
21 MS. DINGLE: Was that also in the
22 application?
23 MR. PULLAR: It was approved back in.
24 I believe. 2008 as part of the southern expansion
25 for the landfi II and then as part of this project
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I the proposal is to modifY the design for the Slate
2 Belt facility. And the modification was -- since it
3 was regulated by DEP waste management, the
4 storm water management plan and the erosion and
5 sedimentation control plan went to DEP. That's the
6 instructions we got. They told us in two separate
7 meetings that's how they want it regulated.
8 What they are willing to do, based on
9 communications with them -- we did get a letter from
10 them clarifYing how they are permitting this and
II what they are going to do. The erosion control plan
12 portion of it will be reviewed by the conservation
13 district.
14 MR. KLEfNTOP: The letter you're
15 referring to, does that have a date of June 26 from
16 Roger Bellas, one and a half pages?
17 MR. PULLAR: August 10th, 2018.
18 MR. GOODRICH: Attachment C.
19 MR. PULLAR: We, at the last --
20 MR. KLEI TOP: That would be his
21 letter responding to you, I believe -- responding to
22 your letter of June 26?
MR. PULLAR: Yeah, we had made an
24 inquiry based on, you know, the discussions we've
25 had at previous meetings. And at the last meeting I
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I was at, the question was asked, do we have a letter
2 from DEP regarding the basin classification and
3 regulation. And so we made the inquiry to DEP and
4 they sent this letter and again --
5 MR. KLEfNTOP: That was Roger Bellas'
6 response. I have your June 26th letter. That
7 response letter is well prior to any submissions
8 made by Plainfield Township because I think our
9 letters went out later in August.
10 MR. PULLAR: Correct.
II MR. KLEI TOP: I don't know if those
12 letters are going to have an impact or have
13 any -- or cause Mr. Bellas to possibly change his
14 mind or his matter on this particular subject
15 because, as I see it, the impact of what they
16 approved years ago, when the Green Knight Energy
17 Center went in, the impact now versus the impact
18 what has taken place over, say, the last 18 years
19 when the Green Knight center has been in existence,
20 the impact will be like night and day.
21 And the industrial activity that will
22 be taking place very close to this pond has all the
23 potential in the world to cause major disaster,
24 because you're, in essence, sitting right up at the
25 edge of this pond.
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I I would think that the DEP would take
2 a very good look at Plainfield Township's
3 correspondence and might have a reason to change
4 their opinion in regards to -- when they get a
5 better understanding of what is proposed.
6 MR. PULLAR: The DEP, my
7 understanding, will take all comments into account
8 during their review. So they -- you know, if you
9 submitted correspondence to them, they will take
10 that into account I'm sure. That's been my
II understanding, and the pemlitting that I have done
12 with the department, through the department, that's
13 what they do. They will take that into account.
14 MS. WITMER: But, excuse me,
15 Mr. Pullar, has DEP indicated to the applicant that
16 they should change their application or apply for a
17 different permit with regard to the sedimentation
18 basin.
19 MR. PULLAR: They have not. They
20 indicated that the determination in the August 10th
21 letter is the way they're going to proceed with
22 their review.
23 MR. KLEI TOP: I can't disagree with
24 that, but on the other hand, we haven't heard from
25 them, so we have no idea which way they're going to
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I go on this.
2 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Robin. is your
3 question answered')
4 MS. DINGLE: o. I'm not quite sure
5 still. I want to know specifically if the
6 engineering design and all the Chapter 102
7 requirements for sedimentation basin are included in
8 the application that you're referring to -- that's
9 including in your attachment C.
10 MR. PULLAR: That design was included.
II It \Vas included in the minor modification that went
12 into DEP. the waste management program. And that
13 was included because the basin is part of Grand
14 Central's facility permit. So that's the permit
15 that had to be modified. And we submitted -- it W"as
16 a minor permit modification for those changes.
17 And that has been submitted. It
18 included stormwater management. It included erosion
19 and sedimentation control. And that's what --
20 MS. DI GLE: You submitted it as a
21 modification')
22 MR. PULLAR: Yes.
23 MS. DINGLE: What I want to kno\\·. when
24 the basin or pond originally was permitted under
25 Chapter 102. ot modified. but permitted.
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MR. PULLAR: I believe it was 2008.
2 It was part of the southern expansion permit.
3 MS. DINGLE: Is that information
4 available to the township')
5 MR. PULLAR: Yes.
6 MS. DINGLE: The 2008 application?
7 MR. PULLAR: I believe a lot of that
8 documentation has been submitted as far as the
9 approvals and the conversion from when it was mining
10 to the permitted basin that \Va in 2008. So. yes.
\I that has been provided.
12 MR. KLE TOP: The reason I ask is.
13 DEP's approval under Chapter 105.12 (A)(6). when
14 they were approving this as a stormwater basin or a
15 sediment basin for Green Knight Energy Center. as I
16 understand that section. the DEP would have
17 potential reason and would have leeway to change
18 their mind in regard to this based on what the
19 environmental impact could be now versus what it was
20 at the time of the energy center.
21 You may agree or disagree \\"ith that.
22 That's my understanding.
23 MR. PULLAR: You know. that's the
24 determination they'll have to make. I'm basing on
25 the determination that they've made to this point.
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I It's what they did originally back in 2008. It's
2 part of the application package that the township
3 has. and if it's something you need to revisit. all
4 the previous calculations. we can accommodate that.
5 But it's -- DEP -- again. I'm basing
6 it on their determination. We went in and asked
7 them. We gave them what the proposal was. They
8 told us on two different occasions. this is the way
9 that it's regulated. This is the way we want you to
10 proceed with the perm it. So I'm following that.
II They \\"ill. again -- again. they'll
12 receive and consider input from the public and from
13 the to\mship and -- but this is the way we're
14 proceeding and this is our understanding of how it's
15 permitted.
16 MR. KLEINTOP: Mr. Smith. do have you
17 anything to add?
18 MR. SMITH: I o. nothing to add
19 necessarily. Terry. but my understanding is the same
20 as what you had mentioned.
21 MR. KLEINTOP: How to evaluate the
22 current situation to have a change of heart?
23 MR. SMITH: That's holY it's mitten in
24 that ection.
25 THE CHAIRMA ': Anybody else. comments
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2 (No response.)
3 THE CHAIRMA : Moving on. Now, ladies
4 and gentlemen, representing Synagro, the floor is
5 yours.
6 MR. HECHT: Good evening. My name Jim
7 Hecht, project developer for Synagro.
8 Tonight we actually had a chance to
9 review that letter and we have answers for our -- or
10 responses to the letter that was just read.
II MR. KLEINTOP: Can this screen be
12 activated?
13 MR. HECHT: 0, we're unable to get
14 this to work. While they do that, we're going to
15 make a presentation and responses to the letters
16 that we've been receiving.
17 We're going to include infonnation
18 that we have been generating through the pennitting
19 process with DE? and we've also incorporated the
20 information we've got from the public hearings and
21 we received the zoning officer's letter today and
22 we've had a chance to look at it, at least briefly.
23 And we've also received as an
24 attachment to that, the nuisance prevention and
25 monitoring plan draft that was put together for us
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I to look at in tenns of potential conditions for how
2 we will be operating the plant. And we will review
3 that. We had just a few hours today, but we did
4 review it.
5 We have some clarifying questions that
6 we want to ask, some clarifications, and we will do
7 that between now and the next meeting and provide a
8 response to that, but we do support that type of
9 interaction.
10 Our presentation wi II not take two
II hours, but it's unknown to us how long the questions
12 will take from the commission and then we're setting
13 aside time for public comment and questions.
14 At the suggestion or direction of the
15 commission, we did apply for all of our penn its that
16 involved three new permits, which was the general
17 penn it, which is for the processing facility itself.
18 The POES penn it, which is for the
19 stonnwater management, that's the water that does
20 not come in contact with the industrial operations.
21 The plan approval goes to the air
22 quality regulators.
We had to ask for a detennination for
24 access from Green Knight Energy Center and that's
25 been submitted and has already been approved. And
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I as mentioned earlier. the existing Grand Central
2 Permit is being modified because our facility will
3 be on the landfill site itself.
4 As far as the other four permit
5 applications. they've been administratively accepted
6 as complete. and they're now in technical review.
7 And we have made it clear that we support DEP
8 holding a public meeting on the application so that
9 the public and the officials from Plainfield
10 Township. anybody who is interested. can come and
II share their views and opinions and concerns with
12 them.
13 So before they respond to the issued
14 permits. there will be an opportunity to have an
15 interaction with them.
16 As the comminee k.nows. we made a lot
17 of submittals in the last month or so. We have done
18 a complete revision of the package. which
19 incorporated the last several rounds of the
20 Plainfield Township engineer's comments. the zoning
21 officer's comments. comments from the public
22 meetings that we've been at.
23 We also included in that permit
24 application a project performance review and
25 compliance report which answers the questions that
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I were raised both in the zoning ordinance and by the
2 engineer about nuances and operational controls; and
3 all that has been submitted in a separate report
4 that was attached to the application.
5 We also included a traffic report, and
6 that is included.
7 And then just last -- late last week
8 we submitted responses to the two Hanover letters
9 and to the township letter that was submitted in the
10 last couple weeks. So all that material has been
II turned in. We'll be going over that as quickly as
12 we can tonight so that the commission and the public
13 can be brought up to date to the current status of
14 the plans and the information and then, as you said,
15 have public comments.
16 So we thought we would start with the
17 zoning officer's letter. Elizabeth is going to go
18 through that. But we're going to start -- he refers
19 to Hanover's letter that we just read. So we're
20 going to go over that to get that done first and
21 then continue through the zoning officer's letter
22 and Hanover Engineer's letter.
23 MR. SIMPSO : Excuse me. We haven't
24 gone over the zoning officer's letter. I would
25 prefer you to address Hanover's letter. You just
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I said we're going to start with the zoning.
2 MR. HECHT: We're going to go over the
3 Hanover letter that he just read first.
4 MS. WITMER: So I have the loudest
5 voice so I was nominated to read our response to
6 Jason's letter. It was submitted on August 31 st,
7 2018. We respond point by point. Hopefully you
8 have that in your packet. Hopefully it was provided
9 to you so you can follow along. I'll read it so the
10 public hears as well.
Il I will not reread point number one in
12 the letter. I'll simply read our response.
13 The appl icant agrees that
14 sedimentation Basin 0.2 is regulated as a Water of
15 the Commonwealth. Sediment Basin o. 2 is
16 appropriately designated as a sedimentation basin on
17 the plans submitted to the township. The existing
18 and proposed water boundary is shown. The project
19 will be in full compliance with all state
20 regulations applicable to the basin.
21 For context, Basin 0.2 is an
22 existing permitted, non-discharging engineered
23 stonnwater control basin that will be modified for
24 the Slate Belt Heat Recover Facility.
25 The applicant applied for an
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I Individual ational Pollutant Discharge Elimination
2 System called a PDES, permit for discharge of
3 stormwater runoff from their proposed faci I ity. An
4 individual PDES permit is required as the facility
5 is located in the Little Bushkill Creek watershed,
6 designated in Chapter 93 as a high quality, cold
7 water fishery.
8 As detailed more below, the project
9 includes numerous protections for the basin and the
10 area waterways. Most notably the project was
II engineered to: umber one, eliminate all direct
12 discharges of industrial process water; and number
13 two, capture all stormwater runoff from the only
14 industrial activity areas at the site, the loading
15 and offloading areas.
16 As a result, the only stormwater
17 runoff from the SBHRC facilities to sedimentation
18 Basin o. 2 will be sheet flow runofffrom
19 nonindustrial areas, such as the parking area for
20 the facility. The limited runoff from the SBHRC
21 facility will discharge to a proposed vegetated
22 swale adjacent to the Grand Central Sanitary
23 Landfill's Sediment Basin o. 2 serving the adjacent 23 primarily of material from a former slate quarry and
24 Grand Central Sanitary Landfill. And the runoff
25 will be sampled by SBHRC to further ensure that it
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I will not impact the quality of the stormwater in the
2 basin.
3 Sediment Basin o. 2 is the former
4 Doney II Quarry. The quarry was initially excavated
5 from dry land and was regulated by the PA DEP mining
6 program during its operational years until it closed
7 in 2007.
8 Initial quarry activities commenced on
9 site over 140 years ago as the slate quarry being
10 depict -- is being depicted on the 1874 orthampton
II County atlas.
12 Based on review of publicly available
13 resources for the property. there has been
14 documented industrial activity at the site with the
15 earliest record of activity dated 1914. A history
16 of the Doney II Quarry is presented in Attachment A.
17 Following closure of the mining
18 operations. reclamation options available included
19 the completed backfill of the mine to pre-mining
20 elevations.
21 However. through communications with
22 the township. it was decided that the former mine
23 should be reclaimed and reconstructed a a
24 stormwater control facility.
25 Accordingly. the December 17.2007 PA
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I DEP Mining Program I otice of Permit Correction
2 related to Mining Permit umber 48820501 states.
3 that the post-mining land use is corrected from.
4 quote. water impoundment. end quote. to. quote.
5 developed water resources. end quote. defined 25 PA
6 Code Chapter 77.1 as. quote. land use for storing
7 warer for beneficial uses such as stock ponds.
8 irrigation. fire protection. flood control and water
9 supply.
10 Subsequently. the former quarry was
1 I repurposed and engineered. permitted and constructed
12 as a sediment basin and storm water control facility.
13 ediment Basin 1\0.2 under the PA DEP Waste
14 Management Permit umber 100265 amendment issued to
15 Grand Central Sanitary Landfill on August I. 2008.
16 Attachment B includes a timeline and
17 supporting documentation of the Basin No.2
18 permitting and modifications. Significant
19 construction effo'rts went into the development of
20 sedimentation Basin No.2. Specifically. large
21 portions of the high wall around the quarry pit were
22 reclaimed and large amounts of fill consisting
24 slate processing operation were brought into the
25 former quarry.
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I An emergency spillway was also
2 constructed and provided. along with a sediment trap
3 for sediment removal from landfill runoff prior to
4 discharge to the basin.
5 Sedimentation Basin No. 2's original
6 design included a discharge barrel identified as
7 outfall 012 in the GCSL PDES Permit lumber PA
8 0074083.
9 However, the basin never discharged to
10 surface water and the discharge barrel was never
II constructed. For this reason GCSL requested that
12 outfall 012 not be included in the 2016 NPDES permit
13 renewal.
14 As confirmed by PA DEP during the
15 project pre-application meeting. and in a letter
16 dated August 10. 2018. see Attachment C.
17 Sedimentation Basin I o. 2 is considered a \\'ater of
18 the Commonwealth under 25 PA Code Chapter 105. since
19 it is a. quote. natural or artificial lake. pond.
20 reservoir. swamp. marsh or wetland. end quote.
21 However. under 25 PA Code Chapter
22 105.12 (A )(6). waiver of permit requirements. the
23 requirements for a permit under that chapter are
24 specifically waived for. quote. a water obstruction
25 or encroachment located in. along. across or
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I projecting into a stormwater management facility or
2 an erosion sedimentation pollution control facility
3 which meets the requirements in Chapter 102 relating
4 to erosion and sediment control if the facility was
5 constructed and continues to be maintained for the
6 designated purpose. end quote.
7 Therefore. while Sediment Basin o. 2
8 is a regulated body of water. permit requirements
9 under 25 PA Code Chapter 105 are waived.
10 Modification of the basin will be approved under the 10 of the board members had a question on what was
II minor permit modification submitted to PA DEP under II stated. It will give you a chance to catch your
12 25 PA Code Chapter 273 for GCSL under Permit umber 12 breath.
13 100265.
14 With regard to point number two in the
15 letter. SBHRC agrees that the project will be in
16 full compliance with all applicable federal
17 regulations. Sediment Basin No.2. is not. however.
18 a quote. Water of the United States. end quote.
19 under the Clean Water Act or its implementing
20 regulations.
21 First. the Clean Water Act expressly
22 limits its scope to discharged into. quote.
23 navigable waters, end quote. Sedimentation Basin
24 No.2 is a clo ed impoundment and not a navigable
25 water.
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I Second, while the federal regulatory
2 definitions interpreting the scope of the Clean
3 Water Act and the term, quote, navigable waters, end
4 quote, have been the subject of several revisions
5 and court rulings lending confusion to the
6 regulatory framework, the currently applicable
7 regulations plainly exempt both:
8 umber one, depressions created in dry
9 land incidental to mining or construction activity,
10 i.e., the original quarry excavation;
II And two, form storm water control
12 features, i.e., the currently perm itted and
13 operational Sedimentation Basin o. 2. See 33 CFR
14 Part 328.3.
15 As a result, regardless of any
16 hydrogeologic nexus between the basin and nearby
17 creeks through groundwater flow. The basin is still
18 not regulated as a Water of the United States. As
19 detailed in prior submissions to the township. the
20 basin has been a non-discharging basin throughout
21 its operation.
22 There is no indication that the
23 modification to the basin from the project will
24 change this, as all engineering studies have shown
25 that the basin will continue to have the needed
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I capacity to retain even large storm events.
2 otably, even in the unexpected event
3 that the basin were to discharge to Little Bushkill
4 Creek or Waltz Creek, it would not affect the
5 exclusion of the basin from regulation as a water of
6 the United States because the basin would still be
7 operating as a stormwater control feature.
8 THE CHAIRMA 1 would like to
9 interrupt for a minute. I think at least one or two
13 MS. DI GLE: Yeah, I still keep going
14 back to the sediment basin Chapter 102, and you
15 clearly read a response and identified your response
16 that it had to actively be permitted and designed
17 under Chapter 102 and also continues to be managed
18 under such, maintained.
19 I guess I just went through the
20 information that we were provided on Friday,
21 regarding your Attachment B and nowhere in there is
22 there any information on erosion control or Chapter
23 102. So I still do not feel that the Chapter 102
24 requirements for sediment basin had been fulfilled,
25 therefore, you cannot say that it was designed in
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I accordance with the Chapter 102.
2 MR. ALLE : Dave Allen. project
3 manager at Earth Res. Appendix E of the stoml\vater
4 management report that was submitted in February and
5 last submitted in August included the previous
6 approval. so part of that is the DEP form for the
7 sedimentation pond and basin.
8 MS. DI GLE: I understand you guys
9 keep calling it a sedimentation basin pond. I want
10 to see the application and the actual 102. not the
II permit or language from DEP. I want to see the
12 actual drawing .
13 MR. ALLE : This is the supporting
14 calculations for sediment basin. This is the
15 original 2008 submission.
16 MS. DI GLE: And that's the entire
17 application with all the engineering design
18 calculations. overflow. everything else')
19 MR. ALLEN: Right.
20 MS. DINGLE: Because I know you've
21 done some work in there. I don't kno\\' if it's been
22 permitted and defined under Chapter 102.
23 MR. ALLE : This the pertinent
24 information from Sediment Basin No.2. when it was
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I MR. KLElNTOP: Does that include the
2 drawings')
3 MR. ALLE : Yes. sir.
4 MR. KLElNTOP: Does that include the
5 drawings?
6 MR. GOODRICH: They were both attached
7 to the February. as well as the most recent
8 submission.
9 MS. Dl GLE: All right. Then a
10 follow-up to that. the definition again requires --
II I haven't reviewed these numerous documents and
12 drawings. It says it has to be constructed and
13 continues to be maintained. Do you have maintenance
14 records for the basin') And. again. looking at the
15 aerial topography. it looks like there's been no
16 work there.
17 MR. BALL: Chris Ball. here on behalf
18 of Waste Management. We can look at Waste
19 Management's records. I think the important note is
20 not whether or not monthly records are maintained
21 here. but what is the function that the pond
22 continues to serve. That's what DEP has looked at.
23 DEP reviewed all the submissions. reviewed the pond.
24 and that's what the response we received back
25 indicated. they are very much comfortable when that
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I on annual basis and can we get their reports')
2 MR. BALL: To be clear. I'm not
3 indicating that we have any maintenance records.
4 I'm happy to follow up with the facility and see
5 what additional records on the maintenance of the --
6 you know. the broad or storm water control features
7 of the landfill are and make them available to you.
8 In answer to your question. yes. DEP
9 absolutely inspects the facility broadly and looks.
10 you know'. at the basins.
II MR. KLE TOP: Is that done annually?
12 MR. BALL: I'm not sure about the
13 frequency. I'm referring to Scott.
14 MR. KLElNTOP: I'm assuming they would
15 submit something to Waste Management saying -- on a
16 periodic basis aying \\"e're happy campers or we're
17 not happy campers.
18 MR. PER : Scott Perin. former
19 district manager for Grand Central Landfill. but now
20 area director for Waste Management for multiple
2 I facilities within our area.
22 So water quality does inspect that
23 facility annually. It would include all PDES
24 discharge locations in their inspection.
25 We do monthly inspections for all our

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I pond was constructed and has been maintained and storm water basins. It's required under the I PDES
2 continues to be used as a sedimentation pond, 2 permit. so that we have a record. Solid Waste will
3 stonnwater control facility. 3 inspect those impoundments from time to time during
4 We can look and try to get you 4 their inspections or if they notice we're doing any
5 additional maintenance records with respect to the 5 sort of maintenance or cleaning work associated with
6 pond, but in terms of the regulatory definition, 6 the basin.
7 which is what's at issue here, that's what we raised 7 MR. KLElNTOP: You have those reports')
8 with DEP and DE? con finned that it was constructed 8 MR. SCOTT: We keep records of the
9 and maintained as a sediment basin. 9 inspections that were performed on file. It's there
10 MS. DINGLE: Most sediment basins they 10 for the department to review when they do their
II have gravel banks and clear travel. That's what II inspections.
12 they want, clear stonnwater retention. This seems 12 MR. KLE TOP: Including DEP's annual
13 to have developed a lot of wetland vegetation, 13 approval letter --
14 wetland characteristics around the edges and 14 MR. SCOTT: We would probably get
15 supports aquatic life. 15 issued an inspection report. Terry. that we would
16 It does not seem to be maintained as 16 have on file somewhere. but the department \\"ould
17 a, quote, sediment basin. It seems to be reverting 17 have a record of that inspection as well.
18 to a natural state of wetland and water. 18 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay.
19 MR. BALL: I think I only say that the 19 MR. SIMPSOI : Just to review a few
20 facility very much continues to use it as a 20 things here. On page I you state project will be in
21 stann water control feature and sedimentation basin. 21 full compliance with all state regulations
22 And DEP very much considers it as operating as a 22 applicable to the basin. I guess that will be
23 sedimentation basin and storm water control feature. 23 determined as our engineer will review that. Has
24 MR. KLEI TOP: If you don't have 24 all that been completed yet?
25 maintenance records, is DE? inspecting it at least 25 MS. WITMER: o. Those are the permit

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I modifications that were listed above that were
2 submitted to DEP. So we asked DEP, this is what
3 we're going to do, what permit do we need to apply
4 for. They told us, we applied for it at your
5 request. We wouldn't necessarily normally do that
6 at preliminary land development, but we did it here.
7 Then we further followed up to
8 make -- to have the department confirm that they're
9 treating this as a sedimentation basin, which they
10 have now done. That is the application that is
II pending at DEP.
12 MR. KLEINTOP: I'm stating full
13 compliance with all state regulations applicable to
14 the basin. Have you had a chance to review and
15 verify that they have complied with that basin?
16 MR. SMITH: They have what?
17 MR.SIMPSO : Itsaystheprojectwill
18 be full compliance with all state regulations
19 applicable to the basin, right here, under first
20 response.
21 So I assume that they submitted their
22 plans to the state and you looked at it. We haven't
23 gotten a response back yet from the state agencies,
24 but have you had a chance to review the plans to see
25 if they're in compliance with the state regulations?
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I MR. SMITH: Yes, we have reviewed the
2 plans that were submitted and that's how these
3 comments were generated. We wanted just to put the
4 applicant on notice that we recognize that there may
5 be this issue -- there may be an issue with the
6 department reconsidering the township's position on
7 requesting that a permit be required due to concerns
8 for water quality impacts that may occur as a result
9 of proposed activities. It may not be within the
10 scope of the waiver that has been discussed.
II MR. SIMPSO : All right. I see it as
12 an important checklist item. I'm looking forward to
13 make sure that you actually fulfill that.
14 Secondly, you have stated. and I don't
15 want to misstate this, that absolutely no runoff
16 from any of the truck delivery areas can make it
17 into this Sediment Basin No.2; is that correct?
18 MS. WITMER: That's correct. And we
19 can address that -- we have a slide to review that.
20 Again, we can address that later. But, yes, that's
21 correct.
22 MR. SIMPSO : So you're going to
23 isolate a travel lane, a travel path of the trucks
24 where they're parked, unloaded, washed out, et
25 cetera, so that absolutely no storm water runoff, if
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we get a big rainstorm, can run into the basin? And
2 you stated that only runoff would be sheet flow from
3 just the normal parking area. That's what I heard.
4 MS. WITMER: That's correct. That's
5 also the response to point number three in the
6 letter.
7 MR. SIMPSO : Right. And my last
8 comment, you know, it appears that there's a
9 disagreement between, you know. our consultant and
10 you regarding the waters of the United States. How
II does that get resolved?
12 MR. SMITH: That's why we're
13 requesting the 1D from the applicant. Basically
14 it's the applicant's position that it's not a Waters
15 of the United States, and they're explaining why
16 they feel that way. Without formal response from
17 the Corps of Engineers, it's just their opinion
18 versus the potential for it to be.
19 MR. SIMPSO : And that jurisdiction is
20 coming?
21 MS. WITMER: 0, we disagree. PA DEP
22 is the regulating agency. Ifit was a Waters of the
23 United States, PA DEP would have to consider that.
24 MR. BALL: I think, just to add some
25 clarity on this too, there are two distinct
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I questions. Whether or not ajurisdictional
2 determination is needed or appropriate here with
3 respect to the presence of any wetlands on the site.
4 And second question is. is the basin itself
5 appropriately categorized as a Waters of the nited
6 States.
7 The regulations on the laner question
8 can speak for themselves. to me. You know. DEP has
9 confirmed. you know. and we put forward information
10 repeatedly showing that this is a basin that is from
II a regulatory perspective characterized as a storm
12 water control facility. DEP agrees with that.
13 Applying that under the federal basis.
14 it is clearly under the exemption under the Waters
15 of the United States question for those stormwater
16 control facilities.
17 We can certainly discuss more broadly
18 whether or not any additional jurisdictional
19 determinations around perimeter wetlands are needed
20 or appropriate. I don't believe that anybody has
21 identified any wetlands on the site. but we're
22 happy. I think. to cooperate to some degree and show
23 you the background information that was provided on
24 that -- on the wetlands question.
25 MR. SIMPSO : I'm just trying to bring
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the two parties together if we can. We just got
2 this letter last Friday. and I don't think our
3 consultant really had a chance to look at it yet.
4 It seems to be a disagreement. I guess what you're
5 saying is that you will converse with our consultant
6 and possibly come to an agreement on this')
7 MR. BALL: We're happy to have
8 EarthRes talk directly to Hanover about what
9 additional information we can find. If it makes you
10 feel any better. the Supreme Court. you know. banged
II heads. couldn't decide at all on what the right
12 definition of navigable waters or the Waters of the
13 United States are either. They split off on three
14 different directions and issued three different
15 rulings. And it's been one of the bigger messes in
16 environmental law for more than a decade. It is
17 confusing and subject.
18 One thing that is clear. though. is
19 that within the regulations. and these are the
20 regulations that are currently enforced. that term.
21 Water of the United States. which was really meant
22 to cover rivers that are navigable and go through
23 interstate commerce. does not apply to an individual
24 storm water control facility. That piece of it is
25 really pretty clear.
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I MR. SIMPSO : I have a review letter
2 that says -- that disagrees with that.
3 MR. BALL: Yeah. yeah. Again. \V-eire
4 happy to follow up and provide additional
5 information.
6 MS. DII OLE: My question. we can both
7 talk about this. but we have a difference of
8 opinion. I think what we need to do is get a
9 jurisdiction determination. if you are confident
10 that it isn't Waters of the nited States.
II MR. BELL: I didn't indicate that we
12 were. I'm telling as a matter of regulatory
13 interpretation. we provided you the statute. It
14 plainly states that stormwater control facilities
15 are exempt from the definition of the Waters of the
16 United States.
17 DEP has confirmed that this is a
18 stormwater control facility. If we need to get
19 together and talk about additional information that
20 can be provided. that's fine. We're just reading
21 you our response which we thought was pretty cut and
22 dry here.
23 MR. SIMPSO : But our consultant
24 disagrees.
25 MR. BALL: Understood. And. again.
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I we're happy to follow up with him. I just don't
2 want the record to indicate we're dragging our feet
..,
.) or not trying to be responsive. We try to be
4 responsive with the clearest provision of the
5 Federal Regulations that apply to that basin.
6 MS. WITMER: Understand, we just
7 submitted this on August 31 st responding to an
8 August nnd letter. So we're -- again, we're
9 providing our response to your consultant. I'm not
10 sure that he does still disagree. We simply will
II have to get together and see.
12 MR. SIMPSO : I'm just pointing out
13 there is a point of disagreement here that needs to
14 be resolved.
15 MR. KLEI TOP: I do have a problem
16 with the disagreement that these are not Waters of
17 the United States. This isn't like a normal
18 sediment basin or detention basin where water goes
19 in and is absorbed and released at a certain rate
20 over a given period of time.
21 We may be calling it a sediment basin.
22 But the reality of it is, the water within this
23 quarry regulate themselves. It's open-ended into
24 the groundwater. That's why you don't need a
25 spillway, at least up to this point, because it
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I adjustments itself accordingly based on groundwater
2 level. There's water coming in and going out of
3 this quarry as we sit here, and I don't believe you
4 can debate that with us.
5 MR. SIMPSO: 0, no, not at all. My
6 only point was that under the federal regulations,
7 that point, has no bearing on whether or not that
8 pond is considered a federal water.
9 Just to be clear, we're not -- we are
10 openly acknowledging and agree that this is a water
II of the Commonwealth. It's a state regulated water.
12 But it's a separate question as to whether or not it
13 comes under federal jurisdiction. And under the
14 federal regulations, regardless of whether or not
15 there's a tie-in between a stormwater pond and
16 groundwater, it doesn't matter. It is exempted
17 under the federal regulations. That's the only
18 point that we were trying to clarify here.
19 MR. KLEI TOP: Well, based -- I think
20 we need an updated definition from the DEP what a
21 sediment basin is. This is the most unique sediment
22 basin or detention basin I have ever experienced.
23 THE CHAIRMA : I think we determined
24 there's a significant disagreement on the
25 interpretation of this right now. We're starting to
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run in circles over the same issue. I want to keep
2 things moving forward. Does the board have any
3 other questions on items one or two from their
4 response?
5 What I would like to do. again. give
6 you a chance to take a breather. is cover your
7 response based off of Jason Smith's letter. section
8 three. give us a chance to interact with you and
9 then we'll go on to section four and do it that way.
10 okay?
II MS. WITMER: That's great.
12 THE CHAIRMA I: Any more on one or two.
13 board have any more new or different?
14 MS. WITMER: The project has been
15 engineered to be fully protective of the water
16 quality of Sedimentation Basin o. 2. Steps taken
17 in the design and planned operation of the facility
18 to protect storm water quality include:
19 umber one. the elimination of all
20 direct discharges of industrial process water:
21 I umber two. the capture of all
22 storm water runoff from the only industrial activity
23 areas at the site. the loading and off1oading areas.
24 As a result. the only storm water
25 runoff from the SBHRC facility to Sedimentation
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I Basin No.2 will be sheet flow runoff from
2 nonindustrial areas. such as the parking area for
3 the facility. and best management practices will be
4 employed by SBHRC to further eliminate the potential
5 for any impacts to the stormwater flow to the basin.
6 Importantly. that limited runoff from
7 the SBHRC facility will discharge to a proposed
8 vegetated swale adjacent to the GCSL Sediment Basin
9 o. 2. serving the adjacent Grand Central Sanitary
10 Landfill. and the runoff will be sampled by SBHRC.
II In light of the elimination of the
12 direct SBHRC discharges. the capture of all
13 storm water from industrial activity areas. the use
14 of BMPs. and the sampling of stormwater flow to the
15 basin.
16 The project poses no threat to the
17 water quality of Sedimentation Basin o. 2. because
18 there is no anticipated change to the water quality
19 of Sedimentation Basin No.2. It is not clear what
20 benefit "'ould be served by conducting a
2 I hydrogeological study of any connection between the
22 basin and nearby surface waters.
23 Supporting calculations demonstrating
24 basin capacity to contain a IOO-year storm event
25 have also been provided to Plainfield Township.
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I THE CHAIRMA Anybody on the board
2 need any clarification or have any questions for
3 that?
4 (No response.)
5 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Number four.
6 MS. WITMER: umber four. It is
7 agreed that the project will be in full compliance
8 with the township's code of ordinances. While the
9 riparian buffer requirements of those ordinances do
10 not apply to Sedimentation Basin 0.2, it is also
II agreed that any buffer requirements applicable to
12 other offsite wetlands and waters wi II be met.
13 Waters of this Commonwealth are
14 defined in PA Code Chapter 105 as, quote, rivers,
15 streams, creeks, rivulets, impoundments, ditches,
16 watercourses, storm sewers, lakes, dammed water,
17 wetlands. ponds and springs and other bodies or
18 channels of conveyance of surface and underground
19 water or parts thereof, whether natural or
20 artificial, within or on the boundaries of this
21 Commonwealth, end quote.
22 Basin o. 2 is an impoundment, as is
23 any storm water management device. However, it is
24 regulated by PA DEP under 25 PA Code 273, not PA
25 Code 105, as confirmed in writing by the department.
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1 Watercourses are a specific subset of
2 the broader waters of the Commonwealth and are
3 defined in 25 PA Code 105 as. quote. a channel or
4 conveyance of surface water having defined bed and
5 banks. \\·hether natural or artificial with perennial
6 or intermittent flow. end quote.
7 Consistent with the scope of. quote.
8 riparian rights. end quote. as applying to lands
9 adjacent to the banks of flowed water bodies. such
10 as a river or creek. the riparian buffers under
1I state regulations apply only to those areas adjacent
12 to flowed water bodies. Basin o. 2 does not meet
13 this definition. as it is not a flowed body of water
14 and does not channel or convey surface water from
15 the basin.
16 Consistent with the state regulations.
17 Plainfield Township Subdivision and Land Development
18 Ordinance. Chapter 22. Section 1023. similarly
19 defines a watercourse as. quote. a channel or
20 conveyance of surface water having a defined bed and
21 banks. whether natural or artificiaL emphasis. \\·ith
22 perennial or intermittent flow. end emphasis. shown
23 as hydrolog j
• blue lines. on the latest version of
24 the Plainfield Township's zoning map.
25 Manmade swales constructed
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I specifically for stonnwater management purposes are I questions.
2 excluded from this definition. As with the state 2 Back to item number three from the
3 definition of watercourse, Basin 2 also does not 3 Hanover letter. Hanover Engineering recommends
4 meet the township's definition since it is not a 4 hydrological study be perfonned. And your position
5 flowed body of water and does not channel or convey 5 is that you're not going to do that; is that
6 surface water from the basin. 6 correct?
7 Further clarifying the distinction 7 MS. WITMER: That's correct. It's not
8 between stationary and flowed bodies of water in the 8 needed.
9 township's ordinances, stationary bodies of water, 9 MR. SIMPSO : You think it's not
10 e.g., ponds, lakes, are not regulated by the 10 needed. He recommends it, so you're saying you
II township's watercourse provisions which require II won't do it?
12 riparian buffers. See Chapter 22 Section 1023 (4) 12 MS. WITMER: Well, again, we haven't
13 (A), but are instead protected in the ordinances 13 had time to talk about our response in the context
14 through the application of a, quote, open space, end 14 of his letter. We're saying it's not needed and
15 quote, setback. Applicable, quote, 50 feet of the 15 we're saying we will meet with them to discuss it
16 top of the bank of any pond or lake. See Chapter 22 16 and to discuss all of their comments. We think
17 Section 1023 (4)(B). 17 they're interpreting the watercourse provision
18 In this context the ordinance clearly 18 incorrectly, as I have just stated. We have to
19 states that the 50-foot open space requirement does 19 discuss that with them as well.
20 not apply to stonnwater management features such as 20 MR. SIMPSO : I'm just pointing this
21 Sedimentation Basin o. 2 that were specifically 21 out. I don't think we're going to solve it tonight,
22 constructed for stonnwater management. 22 but I would like to widdle it down so everybody can
23 As an additional point of 23 hear these direct requests from our consultant and
24 clarification, it is noted that many features are 24 your position.
25 shown as hydrology on the Plainfield Township's 25 So under umber four A, again. Hanover
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1 zoning map. Attachment D. that are non-watercourse I recommends the plan shall also contain a
2 features. including other sedimentation basins and a 2 certification by the qualified professional
3 Grand Central Sanitary Landfill wastewater lagoon. 3 responsible for the field delineation, indicating he
4 Therefore. features shown on 4 or she has reviewed the plan -- they're recommending
5 Plainfield Township hydrology map are not 5 that a professional be obtained to certify to the
6 necessarily indicative of watercourses. Regardless 6 best of their knowledge that the correct
7 of clear inapplicability of the open space 7 representation of wetland boundaries be delineated
8 requirements to Sedimentation Basin I o. 2. SBHRC has 8 in the field.
9 modified the plans to provide 50 feet of open space 9 And, again, you're saying you don't
10 from the design water level in Sedimentation Basin 10 think that's necessary and you're not going to do
II NO.2 to address township comments. II that.
12 A copy of the site plan showing the 12 MS. WITMER: 0, no, I haven't
13 revised grading and the containment areas is 13 actually read that response yet. and we have
14 enclosed with this letter. Attachment E. Complete 14 actually done that most recently on March 14th,
15 revised plan showing the open space have been 15 2018.
J6 submitted to Plainfield Township. Supporting 16 MR. SIMPSO So you're going to
17 calculations of the basin capacity to contain a 17 comply with that?
18 100-year storm event have been provided to 18 MS. WITMER: Well, I'll read the
19 Plainfield Township. 19 formal language of our reply, but, yes, in response
20 THE CHAIRMA : Board. any comments. 20 to A, we confinn that we -- a survey was perfonned.
21 questions') 21 I'm happy to read the response to A, if you want me
22 MR. SIMPSO : Let me start. Ijust 22 to go ahead and finish up with four. I only read
23 want to -- there's a lot of words read and probably 23 the general response to four.
24 a linle confusing to the general public. I'm going 24 MR. SIMPSO Oh, I'm sorry. I'm
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I MS. WITMER: So four, EarthRes
2 perfonned present/absent survey of the property and
3 found no wetlands within the proposed property
4 boundary. Liberty Environmental, Inc., perfonned a
5 wetlands presence/absence study and Phase I Bog
6 Turtle Habitat Assessments, conducted in accordance
7 with u.S. Fish and Wildlife service guidelines for
8 Bog Turtle Surveys from April 2006, at the proposed
9 SBHRC facility on May 4th, 2018, as required by the
10 Pennsylvania atural Diversity Inventory, P 01,
II Project Environmental Review Receipt received from
12 the online search perfonned on March 14,2018.
13 That's PNDI Search Number 652302 and that's also
14 attached as Attachment F.
15 One, wetland identified as wetland A
16 was identified to the west of the proposed project
17 area within 300 feet of the applicable study area,
18 and that was a mitigation area created for previous
19 site development on an adjacent parcel.
20 Based on the site work perfonned to
21 date, a jurisdictional detennination from the United
22 States Anny Corps of Engineers is not required.
23 However, a 1D can be requested and can be provided
24 by the final approval if required by the township.
25 THE CHAIRMAN: Any questions or
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2 MR. KLEfNTOP: What I'm asking is. in
3 what you just read. the area that had been impacted.
4 the proposed -- the prior project that you're
5 referring to in this letter. would that be the Green
6 Knight Energy Center?
7 MS. WITMER: The prior -- the study
8 was done this year in 2018 for this project. so it
9 wasn't a study performed for Green Knights. so it
10 was performed for this project on this 12-acre
II parcel.
12 The April 2006 reference is to the
13 date of the regulation. not to the date of the
14 study.
15 MR. KLEI TOP: I understand you're
16 saying to the west of the proposed project.
17 Accordingly. wouldn't the west of proposed project
18 area be the Green Knights?
19 MR. PERIN: The mitigation area is not
20 tied with the development of the Green Knight Energy
21 Center. Terry. That mitigation area was for an
22 access road that the facility was going to construct
23 out towards the western stockpile area which is
24 just to the west of Diamond Quarry designated on the
25 map. That project was never completed. but
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I mitigation work was completed as part of that
2 pennit. We pulled the application for that pennit
3 and never completed that project.
4 THE CHAIRMAN: Anybody else?
5 MS. DINGLE: I'm sorry. I'm looking
6 at the number four, and there's a note that says
7 exact location delineated. Wetlands are not
8 depicted. So, again, this isn't really a wetland
9 delineation, per se.
10 Also, I'm curious to know, it seems to
II be driven -- the delineation of wetlands was driven
12 purely by the P DI response and wasn't a complete
13 delineation of the investigation area or adjacent
14 area like over by Waltz Creek or anything like that;
15 is that correct?
16 MS. WITMER: It was the presence
17 absence detenn ination, and the del ineation isn't
18 shown because there's nothing to delineate on the
19 property at issue; am I correct --
20 MS. DI GLE: o. I'm saying you show
21 in yellow the investigation area that is
22 not -- doesn't include any Waltz Creek adjacent
23 areas or downgrading area or potential
24 hydro-connected areas. I'm just saying typically
25 you have to look at adjacent areas and adjacent
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I properties when you're doing a delineation.
2 The figure is confusing. You have a
3 site investigation area that has nothing in it and
4 then you show a wetland area outside of
5 investigation area. So ['m curious as to why -- you
6 know, what was done in tenns of delineation --
7 MS. WITMER: We can --
8 MS. 01 GLE: -- and what areas.
9 MS. WITMER: We can clarify that in
10 our written subm issions.
II MS. 01 GLE: Thank you.
12 THE CHAIRMA : Anybody else?
13 MR. S[MPSO : In your response here
14 you say, however -- I'm reading the last paragraph
15 in your response. Based on the site work perfonned
16 to date, jurisdiction determination for the United
17 States Anny Corps is not required, however, 1D can
18 be requested and can be provided by the final
19 approval required by the township.
20 Are you asking a question as to our
21 opinion, as to whether we would like that, would
22 require that?
23 MS. WITMER: Well, this is a
24 preliminary land development and subdivision
25 application. You are entitled to require conditions
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I for final plan approval. If the applicant agrees
2 with those conditions. then they become conditions
3 of the plan. So we're saying we could request a JD.
4 we could get it by final land development appro al
5 ifrequired by the township.
6 Again. we don't think it is necessary
7 or even a good idea because no one who has looked at
8 this site has found any wetlands on the site and
9 we're sure that's what the jurisdictional
10 determination will say. but it takes a while to get
II them.
12 MR. SIMPSO : Okay. We had this
13 discussion about 10 minutes ago when Robin made a
14 point. why would you want JD? I brought it up.
15 Would you like our opinion as to whether we \\'ould
16 recommend to the board that we would like to see
17 that at the final approval or not at this point in
18 time?
19 MS. WITMER: Well. when you vote on
20 your recommendation to the supervisors. you'll give
21 us those recommendations.
22 MR. SIMPSO ': Okay. We'll reserve
23 that one.
24 MR. KLEfNTOP: I thought Mr. Smith's
25 letter strongly suggested the jurisdictional
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determination be required.
2 MS. WITMER: ow. remember. there's
3 different types of jurisdictional determinations.
4 The one we're talking about here is whether or not
5 there's a wetland present. We're -- that's an easy
6 question to answer because there aren't any wetlands
7 on the property.
8 MR. BALL: And in the application. the
9 effort was just made to meet -- I believe it's in
10 the definitional section of the ordinances which
II talks about applicant needing to take a look and see
12 if there are wetlands. you know. on a site.
13 So that's what was done. That's what
14 we pointed to in the context of the different
15 analyses that were done on this site. It certainly
16 may be appropriate. and in that definition it says
17 that the look at the property should be done
18 consistent with certain standards. We believe that
19 those standards were mel.
20 You can go so far as to say you want
21 the U.S. Army Corps to come in and follow up and do
22 a formal federal jurisdiction determination. which
23 is what that JD stands for.
24 What you hear us saying is that based
25 on everything that we've seen. the multiple outside
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I environmental consultants have been at the site,
2 looked at the site, nobody has seen wetlands there.
3 It's not needed. But we're willing to cooperate to
4 the extent necessary.
5 Maybe this is a good thing to put in
6 the category of items that we can follow up with,
7 with Hanover.
8 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. ext.
9 MS. WITMER: Four B relates to Waltz
10 Creek. Waltz Creek is located across the Grand
11 Central Sanitation Landfill Road and Pen Argyl Road
12 from the proposed SBHRC facility. The majority of
13 the SBHRC facility is located in the Little Bushkill
14 Creek Watershed.
15 As requested, the attached site plan
16 shows a IDO-foot riparian buffer from the stream
17 bank of Waltz Creek and from the offsite wetland
18 areas.
19 That was requested that the buffers
20 are shown on the plans and they are now on the
21 plans.
22 THE CHAIRMA : Any comments? Just,
23 Jason, are you making some notes for some of these
24 things to negotiate back and forth?
25 MR. SMITH: Yes.
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I THE CHAIRMA : Moving forward.
2 MS. WITMER: And. Jason. you have our
3 response letter. right')
4 MR. SMITH: I never received your
5 response letter in the mail. I got it from the
6 township two evenings ago. I haven't had a chance
7 to review it yet.
8 MS. WITMER: Okay. Four C. as stated.
9 Liberty Environmental. Inc.. performed a wetlands
10 presence/absence study and a Phase I Bog Turtle
II Habitat Assessment conducted in accordance U.S. Fish
12 and Wildlife Service Guidelines for Bog Turtle
13 Surveys at the proposed SBHRC facility on May 4.
14 2018. as required by the Pennsylvania Natural
15 Diversity Inventory Project Environmental Review
16 Receipt received from the online search performed on
17 March 14. 2018. POI Search urn ber 652302. see
18 Attachment F.
19 One. wetland. Wetland A. was
20 identified to the west of the proposed project area
21 within 300 feet of the applicable study area which
22 was a mitigation area created for previous site
23 development.
24 I mean. we're essentially just
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I THE CHAIRMAN: Any comments or
2 questions?
3 MS. DINGLE: I have one. Going back
4 to B. I was just looking at the 100-foot riparian
5 buffer along Waltz Creek. I just want to ask you to
6 double check. Would that be 100 or ISO feet?
7 MS. WITMER: It's actually
8 your engineer who asked us to show a IOO-foot
9 buffer, so we did. That was the request in the
10 letter.
1I MS. DINGLE: Can we just double check
12 that and make sure that complied with the water
13 classification requirement?
14 MS. WITMER: Okay. We can confirm
IS that.
16 MS. DINGLE: Waltz Creek is also
17 classified as ED in certain areas. Just verify that
18 and make sure of the setbacks --
19 MR. BALL: We agree we can certainly
20 do that. So we're clear, the 100-foot line I
21 believe the request was proposed because of the
22 ordinance, and the ordinance just says 100 feet.
23 MS. DINGLE: The township ordinance.
24 I'm thinking PA DEP.
25 MR. BALL: We'll confirm that, but PA
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I DEP does not regulate -- consistent with our
2 response earlier on in four. PA DEP would not apply
3 a riparian buffer to a sedimentation basin.
4 MS. DINGLE: I'm saying to Waltz
5 Creek. Waltz Creek buffer comes how close to the
6 facility')
7 MR. BALL: I got you. I apologize. I
8 understand.
9 THE CHAIRMAN: Any other questions')
10 Go ahead.
II MS. WITMER: D. as noted above the
12 open space and riparian buffer requirements of the
13 township ordinances do not apply to Sedimentation
14 Basin 0.2. although not required for permitted
15 storm water management facilities, SBHRC has modified
16 the plans to provide 50 feet of open space from the
17 design water level in Sedimentation Basin 0.2 to
18 address township comments.
19 A copy of the site plan showing the
20 revised grading and the containment areas is
21 enclosed with this letter.
22 The majority of the SBHRC facility is
23 located in the Little Bushkill Creek Watershed.
24 Waltz Creek is located across the GCSL Road and Pen
25 Argyl Road from the proposed SBHRC facility. As
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I requested. the attached site plan shows laO-foot
2 setback from the center line of Waltz Creek.
3 Included in the laO-foot setback from Waltz Creek
4 are Pen Argyl Road and the GCSL entrance road to the
5 west and large slate spoil piles to the east.
6 The only activities proposed by SBHRC
7 within the Waltz: Creek riparian buffer are
8 construction of water and sewer utility connections
9 and driveway entrance. These activities are
10 permitted uses under the Plainfield Township Zoning
II Ordinance.
12 THE CHAIRMAN: Questions')
13 MS. DINGLE: I just want to clarify my
14 understanding of this. You keep saying 50 feet of
15 open space from the design water level. In other
16 words, you're still going to go ahead and fill it
17 and then put the 50 feet on after that.
18 MS. WITMER: Correct. There's nothing
19 in the ordinances that would prohibit that.
20 MS. DINGLE: Well. we disagree on that
21 still. Ijust want to make sure that's why you keep
22 adding design water level. that's post you're
23 filling in modifications to the basin')
24 MS. WITMER: That's correct. The
25 basin has a certain shape and boundary today. which
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I is going to be modified by this plan. The 50 feet
2 is from the modified basin.
3 MS. DINGLE: Okay. Thank you.
4 MR. BALL: And just from the landfill
5 perspective, it might help to clarify that our
6 sedimentation basins throughout the state are
7 modified. They're modified. as we mentioned
8 earlier, under the solid waste permitting program.
9 The state does not regulate them
10 pursuant to individual Chapter 102, 105 pieces.
I I They are incorporated parts of our landfill
12 permitted to handle the storm water management off
13 the landfill. So that's how they're regulated.
14 They wouldn't typically go through the process
15 you're suggesting.
16 Every time we change the contours of a
17 sedimentation basin in one of our landfills, we
18 submit applications, permit modification to the
19 solid waste department and DEP reviews them in that
20 context.
21 MR. KLEINTOP: If so, how many times
22 is a sediment basin a quarry?
THE CHAIRMAN: Step up to the mic,
24 please.
25 MR. BALL: I'm sure [ don't have an
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answer to that. you know. I and erosion and sedimentation control facility
2 MR. KLEINTOP: To the best of your 2 engineered. permirred and constructed under Permit
3 knowledge. any of those sedimentation basins at 3 Number 100265. It is a BMP feature for GCSL.
4 quarries? 4 The SBHRC project has been engineered
5 MR. PERIN: So where the Doney I 5 to be protective of the water quality of the Little
6 Quarry arrow points out. where you see on the older 6 Bushkill Creek and Waltz Creek watersheds.
7 picture two open smaller quarries just to the 7 Basin o. 2 provides erosion and
8 northwest. Doney II. the quarry that was closest to 8 sedimentation control for SBHRC during construction
9 Pen Argyl Road actually is converted to a stormwater 9 and serves as post-construction storm water
10 basin. Stormwater Basin 7. under the landfill 10 management BMP for storm water runoff after
II permit. It's a backfilled quarry converted to a 11 completion.
12 storm water impoundment. 12 Steps taken in the design and planned
13 MS. or GLE: I just want to clarify 13 operation of the facility to protect stormwater
14 the previous gentleman what he said. You were 14 quality include:
15 saying your sediment basins are permitted under the 15 umber one. the elimination of all
16 waste management -- 16 direct discharges of industrial process water.
17 MR. BALL: Solid waste program of the 17 And. number two. the capture of all
18 Pennsylvania DEP. 18 storm water runoff from the industrial activity areas
19 MS. 01 GLE: This is where 1 was 19 at the site. the loading and offloading area. As a
20 trying to go before. I don't think you have gone 20 result. the only stormwater run from the SBHRC
21 through process one and two process for OEP through 21 facility to Sediment Basin I o. 2 will be sheet flow
22 other departments and other permits. And the 22 runoff from non-industrial areas such as the parking
23 language specific to your classification of sediment 23 area for the facilit;;.
2-t basin is related to Chapter 102. 24 Importantly. runoff from the SBHRC
25 I just II"ant to make sure you 25 building and driveway will be conveyed by a

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understand where we're going with this. it has to be 1 vegetated swale prior to discharge to GCSL
2 permirred under Chapter 102. not solid waste 2 Sedimentation Basin No.2.
3 storm water management. 3 The runoff will be sampled by SBHRC as
4 MR. BALL: I am afraid all we can do 4 required by the site NPDES permit.
5 is provide you the full background on the 5 The following engineered and
6 administrative record. how OEP looked at it and 6 operational features. BMPs. will be employed by
7 characterized it. We have met with the department 7 SBHRC to further eliminate the potential for adverse
8 and they sort of repeatedl) recognized it as being 8 impacts to the stormwater quality from the site.
9 categorized as a sedimentation basin and as a 9 I 0 discharge of processed wastell"ater
10 storm water management facility. And we may have to 10 from SBHRC into nearby watenvays is proposed.
I 1 agree to disagree on that point. 11 Processed wastell"ater will be stored in an onsite
12 MR. PERIN: Yeah. just reference. 12 storage tank with secondary containment and hauled
13 because it was little hard to describe. That older 13 to approved permirred offsite disposal facilities.
14 basin or the older quarry. very close to Pen Argyl 14 Storm and tailgate wash water in the
15 Road. that was the one that was converted over to 15 truck unloading/loading areas will be contained in
16 storm water ba in. Sed Basin o. 7. It's actually a 16 concrete structures. drained to the collection sump
17 wet basin as well. It has standing water that sits 17 and conveyed to the II"astevvater storage tank for
18 in it. It never dries. 18 offsite disposal.
19 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Anyother 19 Containment will be provided for
20 questions. comments at this time? Okay. 20 chemical and petroleum storage tanks at SBHRC.
21 MS. WITMER: Five and six are quick 21 Runoff from the developed SBH RC site
22 because they are see response to comment number one 22 will be managed following township and county
23 above. 23 storm water ordinance and discharged to the
24 Seven is as clarified by PA OEP. 24 Sedimentation o. 2 through the vegetated swales for
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Stormwater runoff from the SBHRC site 1 MR. ALLE : The old quarry limits?
2 will be tested and reported in accordance with the 2 MR. KLElNTOP: Well, if your building
3 PDES permit when issued. 3 stood there today, without filling the quarry, if it
4 Stormwater runoff from GKEDe. which is 4 stood there -- if your building stood there today,
5 the Green Knight's facility. and GCSL. the landfill. 5 what would be the distance be from the closest point
6 entering Sediment Basin o. 2 will be monitored with 6 on your building to the edge of the quarry?
7 PA DEP requirements. 7 MR. ALLE : The old quarry limits are
8 Stormwater runoff in from the northern 8 approximately 5 to 10 feet from the building. That
9 side of the proposed facility will ultimately flow 9 has been filled over the last years and it's
10 into an unnamed tributary to the Little Bushkill 10 approximately 45, 50 feet maybe, approximately, to
I I Creek. Runoff storrnwater from the east side of the lIthe existing edge of the water.
12 proposed facility will ultimately flow into Waltz 12 MR. KLEINTOP: So you'd be going at
13 Creek. There are no industrial activities located 13 this point in time l4S feet in total with the
14 on the north or east side of the SBHRC facility. 14 addition of 100 feet?
15 Development and implementation 15 MR. ALLEN: Yes, sir, approximately
16 preparedness prevention and contingency. ppe. plan 16 measuring it.
17 for spill prevention at the SBHRC facility. The 17 MR. KLEI TOP: Thank you.
18 plan has been prepared and submitted to PA DEP for 18 MR. SIMPSO So you're filling the
19 approval. Plan implementation will be coordinated 19 quarry and increasing its capacity?
20 with local agencies following permit issuance. 20 MR. ALLE Were filling the sediment
21 I 0 degradation of surface water 21 basin and reducing the capacity.
22 quality in the Little Bushkill Creek and Waltz Creek 22 THE CHAIRMA : Hold on. Can you go to
23 watersheds will result. in fulfillment of the 23 the microphone, please. I don't think they can hear
24 anti-degradation requirements for the facility. 24 you.
25 Stormwater runoff quality will be 2S MR. SIMPSO I just have a question.
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I monitored after passing through a vegetated swale I Are you filling Sediment Basin No.2.
2 that discharges to Sedimentation Basin No.2 in 2 and by filling it you are reducing its capacity')
3 accordance with the individual National Pollutant 3 MR. ALLE : Correct. And. I mean.
4 Discharge Elimination System Permit for SBHRC when 4 that's the main reason for the storm water quarry is
5 issued by PA DEP. 5 to show that the basin still functions. still holds
6 Please contact with any questions. 6 the I OO-year storm event and still de-waters and
7 The letter was actually issued by Tom 7 will activate the emergency spillway.
8 Pullar of EarthRes. who you heard from earlier. 8 MR. SIMPSO : You're doing this to
9 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Now \\'e have 9 meet the buffer requirements for the open space?
10 number seven. If you want to back up to five or 10 MR. ALLE : In the current revision.
II six. also additional questions. I I yes. we have additional fill to meet that open space
12 MR. KLE TOP: What are you estimating 12 requirement.
13 the total distance will be to plan to fill the 13 MR. KLEI TOP: But we agree. it's not
14 quarry from where it is currently. 100 feet. 150 14 just to meet the buffer. You need to do filling in
15 feet') 15 order to. in essence. be able to navigate the trucks
16 MS. WITMER: I'm looking at the 16 around the building. I mean. at current time. if
17 engineers. 17 the building stood there. I don't think you'd be
18 MR. ALLE : 70 feel. approximately. 18 able to be operational.
19 MS. WITMER: Da e Allen says 70 feel 19 MR. ALLE : We were originall~"

20 approximately. 20 proposing roughly 90.000 cubic yards offill. Based

21 MR. ALLEN: Horizontally. 21 on our conversations in April and May. \\"e are adding
22 MS. WITMER: Horizontal distance. 22 an additional 16.000 cubic yards of fill to
23 MR. KLEINTOP: What's the current 23 accommodate that 50-feet space of open buffer.
24 distance from the rear of your proposed building to 24 MR. KLEI TOP: Does that include the
25 the edge of the quarry at the current time? 25 swale you want to create?

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1 MR. ALLE Yes, sir.
2 THE CHAIRMA Any other comments or
3 questions?
4 MR. SIMPSO Stay up there one
5 second. The filling of this watercourse, I'm just
6 going to assume that you're getting permission from
7 the DEP and all the government agencies to fill in
8 water, the pond?
9 MS. WITMER: First, I want to clarify,
10 we take the position it's not a watercourse and DEP
11 agrees with us. It's an engineered Sediment Basin.
12 And, yes, the perm it that we subm itted was actually
13 one to modify -- remember, this is an existing
14 sediment basin for the landfill. That's what it
15 functions as today. That's what it will function as
16 when this project is built.
17 This is simply some additional
18 stormwater into that basin from this new building.
19 And so what we are doing is we had to partner with
20 Waste Management to modify their permit, which is
21 the one that we reference that's in Exhibit B. C and
22 E of the attachments that we provided to further
23 reshape the sediment basin.
24 That's all we're doing. We're taking
25 an existing engineered basin and we're changing it
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2 MR. BALL: And if it helps to clarify
3 any further, if the basin was appropriately
4 characterized as a watercourse, it would be subject,
5 I think as you're suggesting, to DEP's Chapter 105
6 Regulations and would go through a Chapter 105
7 permitting process.
8 That's why we talked to the
9 department, we initially met with Mr. Petrucci and
10 Mr. Backenstoe and they encouraged us to get some
II further clarification as to whether or not the
12 department would view it in that context or view it
13 as a storm water management facility that is exempt
14 from those provisions of Chapter 105 and that's why
15 we reached out to them and got the response back
16 confirming, no, they agree it is a stormwater
17 management faci I ity. It is not subject to the
18 specific permitting provisions that would otherwise
19 apply to fill.
20 Instead, though, they do review it and
21 review it under the solid waste program as to
22 modification of the landfill's permit. So there are
23 a lot of eyes from DEP on that permit.
24 MR. SIMPSON: Jason, this is for you.
25 What's your permit on filling the basin and
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2 MR. SMITH: To that I think in some
3 ways we're confusing two issues that we're talking
4 about. We're aying that the township's ordinances
5 would apply to this pond if it is. indeed. a Waters
6 of the Commonwealth. Has nothing to do with whether
7 it's under 102 or was it 273. if that's what we
8 referenced.
9 The bottom line is. it's a Waters of
10 the Commonwealth and. therefore. as your ordinance
I I reads. your ordinance applies.
12 We're just confusing two issues in
13 discussing this tonight.
14 MR. SIMPSO : Okay.
15 MR. BALL: The only gloss that we add
16 is we actually agree. absolutely a Waters of the
17 Commonwealth. It is regulated by the department.
18 In fact. that's \\'hy we go to the department and \\'e
19 pursue the NPDES stormwater permitting process. et
20 cetera.
2I Then the secondary question is how is
22 it categorized within the township's ordinances? Is
23 it appropriately categorized as a watercourse or a
24 pond? And as you saw in the submission that
25 Elizabeth just read. it is pretty clear to us that
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neither of those two provisions apply.
2 Flowed water bodies such as creeks and
3 rivers. this is clearly not one of those. The
4 township has separate ordinances that apply to
5 ponds. lakes. stationary water bodies like the one
6 we're dealing with here.
7 In that context the ordinance very
8 clearly says. the same way that the state
9 regulations do. that the open space setback does not
10 apply to stormwater facilities. That's the only
II distinction we're trying to draw.
12 MS. WIT 1ER: But nonetheless. because
13 of concerns. perhaps we look a little frustrated.
14 we're trying to respond to your concerns. Even
15 though we don't believe it's a pond under the
16 to\\'nship ordinances and. thus. the 50-foot setback
17 would not apply. we went ahead and we redesigned yet
18 again to add the 50-foot setback. That isn't what's
19 in the latest plan.
20 MR. SIMPSO, : You add the setback by
21 filling the pond. That's where I'm going with it.
22 MS. WITMER: It's a storm water
23 management facility. Clearly you are not the one
24 who regulates the shape of the slormwater management
25 facility. PA DEP does that. We have applied for a
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I permit to change the shape of our storm water
2 management facility.
3 MR. BALL: It really was an effort to
4 try and address concerns here. The ponds all along
5 in the earlier applications was always going to be
6 subject to some modification, that's why we went to
7 DEP, submitted a permit modification. That's not
8 new to this latest iteration.
9 What did happen was some
10 reconfiguration of the structure just to try and
II address the concerns that the zoning officer had
12 raised about that setback. That's the on Iy sort of
13 new wrinkle. It's just another effort by SBHRC to
14 try and address concerns that are being raised.
IS MR. KLEINTOP: I'd like to -- if this
16 truly is a captive sediment basin, when you fill it
17 in, we -- if it is truly a sediment basin where you
18 accumulate storm water, when you fill it another 100
19 feet, you'll find out, because if it captive
20 sediment basin, you will need an overflow.
21 MR. BALL: [would just say from Waste
22 Management's perspective, that's exactly our focus
23 and our concern. We want to make sure that no
24 changes to the basin were going to threaten its
25 abilities, its capacity to handle all the model
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I storm events.
2 The EarthRes folks took detailed looks
3 at that, provided the calculations. We provide the
4 them to the department and all, all showing that
5 capacity of the basin still greatly exceeds the
6 needs to meet the 100-year, 200-year storms.
7 I absolutely agree with what you're
8 saying. We got a lot of comfort by talking to the
9 engineer and having them show us the capacity of
10 that basin.
II MS. DINGLE: [just have one question.
12 The additional fill to meet the 50-foot open space
13 requirement, if you didn't put that fill into the
14 sediment basin pond, would you have run into the
15 drainage swale that you keep referring to in the
16 plans?
17 MS. W[TMER: Yes. The swale was
18 always there. [t wasn't quite 50 feet, so we just
19 added this relatively small amount offill to ensure
20 that, in fact, it measures 50 feet now. The swale
21 was always there.
22 Look back at the early iterations of
23 the plan, the swale is there, the pond was always
24 going to be filled and modified. We just changed it
25 yet again. We tweaked it so that it would be 50
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I feet because of the comments that we received from
2 the planning commission, which we appreciate. We're
3 trying to get your comments and make the changes.
4 MS. DI GLE: You're misinterpreting
5 our -- I'm going to speak for myself. not the board
6 here. There was never an intent for you to add more
7 fill. Our intcnt is to try to protect this resource
8 and not fill more of it.
9 I don't understand how you won't get
10 an open space now and recognize after that you
II design it and fill more feet. you're giving 50 feet
12 back. That's a no win for us or anyone.
13 So there must be another reason that
14 you're filling and putting all that additional time
15 and costs into material. Why would you fill 50 feet
16 to give us back 50 feet open space?
17 MS. WITMER: Because your job and my
18 job is to make sure that this preliminary land
19 development meets the requirements of the zoning
20 ordinance and the subdivision ordinance.
21 MS. D[NGLE: I understand that.
22 MS. WITMER: The subdivision ordinance
23 requires a 50-foot buffer from a pond. We happen to
24 disagree that it is a pond, but rather than fight
25 that fight. we gave you 50 feet.
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I MS. DINGLE: After the fact. That's
2 what ['m saying. You're only giving us 50 feet.
3 After you fill the 50 feet, you give it back to us.
4 That doesn't make sense.
5 MS. W[TMER: We were always going to
6 fill the pond.
7 MS. D[NGLE: You said you were going
8 to fill an additional 50 feet.
9 MS. W[TMER: Not an additional 50
10 feet. The fill in the original plans would have not
11 provided exactly a 50-foot buffer. So we added an
12 additional 16,000 cubic feet of material so that if
13 you went out with a measuring stick and measured it,
14 instead of being 40 feet, it's now 50.
IS MS. DI GLE: That's what I'm trying to
16 say. [t sort of defeats the purpose. You're
17 recognizing the ordinance after the fact.
18 MS. W[TMER: That is the point of
19 SALDO. We're supposed to design to the ordinance.
20 You asked us to design to ordinance. We did. You
21 can't fault us for designing to the ordinance. This
22 is a structure, just as the building is a structure.
23 MS. D[NGLE: You don't recognize the
24 pond before -- you're recognizing the ordinance and
25 complying with it after the fact, rather than prior
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I to. How can it work both ways?
2 MS. WITMER: Maybe I'm missing --
3 MR. BALL: I do think something is
4 being lost here, because this was meant as a good
5 faith gesture to try to address the township's
6 comments.
7 To be clear, as a pennitted element of
8 Grand Central Sanitary Landfill, the landfill itself
9 could make modifications to that basin and our
10 landfills make modifications to the basins all the
II time, certainly without ever applying a 50-foot
12 township setback to them. They're regulated at the
13 state as elements of a solid waste landfill.
14 And, again, we sat down and talked
15 with the zoning officer and the solicitor and said,
16 look, we've looked at this. The setback does not
17 apply to this sedimentation basin. Your ordinance
18 clearly say that that open space setback does not
19 apply to stonnwater management facilities. That's
20 what this is. DEP agrees that that's what this is,
21 but what can we do and try to address your concerns?
22 And this is the approach that we
23 suggested. We're trying to establish a 50-foot
24 setback even though, to be clear, we really do not
25 believe that that provision applies to that
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2 MS. DINGLE: Thank you.
3 THE CHAIRMAI : Okay. We're bumping up
4 to 9 o'clock already. By a show of hands in the
5 public. ho\\- many -- we only have a half hour left.
6 How many people would like to make a public comment
7 tonight by a show of hands?
8 So in synopsis you're going to be in
9 more communication with our engineer?
10 MR. BALL: Absolutely.
II THE CHAIRMA ow. to the public.
12 just for a general bit of knowledge. this -- this
13 discussion tonight was based off the three-page
14 review letter by Hanover Engineering. There i also
15 yet to be finalized or finished or further discussed
16 a 27-page letter from Hanover Engineering. I don't
17 know how many pages on the Plainfield zoning
18 officer. looks like 40. Tom?
19 MR. PETRUCCI: Yes.
20 THE CHAIRMA We have 40 pages yet to
21 review there also. Again. we are not near the end
22 of this process. It doesn't look like too many
23 people that do want to speak.
24 Would you like to make a quick summary
25 statement or closing statement? Keep it fairly
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2 MS. WITMER: So \\-e appreciate that we
3 got through the Sedimentation Basin 0.2 letter and
4 we will talk with the engineer and see if we can
5 come to a consensus on that.
6 The other variance that is raised in
7 the zoning officer's letter involves the entry and
8 exit to the facility.
9 I just want to highlight for everyone.
10 because it seems pretty clear that not everyone has
II read all of the submissions that we've made in
12 August that we have modified the entrances and
13 exit to the facility. We're now showing a low
14 volume on Pen Argyl Road that would not be the main
15 entrance to the facility_
16 We also continue to maintain that the
17 main entrance to the facility should be on Route
18 512. We continue to disagree with Mr. Petrucci that
19 a variance is required. We think we clearly meet
20 the pecific requirements of the zoning ordinance.
21 which. by the way. have no requirement that the
22 primary entrance be on an arterial or collector
23 road. although that word appears many times in his
24 letter. It's not in the ordinance.
25 We also submitted a traffic study to
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I support the engineering behind the entrances and
2 exits that we're now showing on the plan. So I just
3 wanted to highlight that. because there are now only
4 two variances that are even potentially at issue
5 here. One of them involves the sedimentation issue.
6 and one of them involves the entries and exits. So
7 I expect we'll be discussing that in detail at the
8 next meeting.
9 THE CHAIRMA : All right. Public
10 comment. I had a gentleman dead center to the back.
II if you want to come forward. please.
12 fNTERESTED CITIZE : Chris Zurga. I'm
13 actually brand new to the community here. I came
14 here for the first time in October of last year and
15 I fell in love with this place. It's just
16 this -- I'm from Southern California. by the way.
17 And it was about the third month here I discovered
18 the dump.
19 And then [ staned to hear the stories
20 of the people in this community. which I've yet to
21 meet anybody from the community that actually is for
22 this sludge plant. I've heard the stories of all
23 the school children choking from the existence of
24 the dump now.
25 What is a sludge plant going to do to
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Pen Argyl High. to this community and this I flow from -- I think there's two parking areas. One
2 neighborhood') How is this even a starter based when 2 off to the side that's isolated and one adjacent to
3 you can walk outside and smell this dump tonight') 3 the driving area of the building.
4 What's the impact beyond the water? I have talked 4 Are the comments made about sheet flow
5 to farmers who basically don't like to drink their 5 solely for the isolated parking lot or do they
6 own well water because they live down below what 6 include the parking area that's going to be built in
7 would be the plume or whatever it is. 7 the boundary of the pond?
8 I see this place as an incredibly 8 Is the sheet flow comments about the
9 beautiful place. Perhaps this -- I wonder if the 9 only water going into the pond would be sheet flow
10 township and the supervisors that originally letthe 10 from the parking area. Is the parking area in
11 dump come in here. what they would think if they saw II question the one off to the side only? That's my
12 it today. 12 question.
13 If they knew that people who I talked 13 MR. HECHT: It's the one basically by
14 to in the city who used to be able to look across 14 the building, not the one to the side.
15 and now they can't see over the mountain. Is this a 15 INTERESTED CITIZEN: Not the one to
16 no ending -- is there no end in sight for bringing 16 the side. Well, isn't the one adjacent to the
17 in garbage and filth and now human feces by the 17 building the one that the trucks are going back and
18 truckload? 18 forth and are being washed and the wash area? I
19 There's people from the community that 19 assumed it would be the other one.
20 have told me that they have seen these trucks 20 The sheet flow is going to be from the
21 leaking driving through Wind Gap. How is it okay') 21 parking area that's adjacent to the building into
22 How is it okay that the children of this city have 22 the pond?
23 sat to the point of choking? I mean, there's never 23 MR. HECHT: It will run over land flow
24 been talk of maybe moving the school for them? Or 24 across the parking lot, through the parking lot,
25 is it just -- this isn't normal, folks. But I guess 25 into the vegetated swale, into Sedimentation Basin
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I it's normal here. I No.2.
2 I think this place is an incredibly 2 INTERESTED CITIZEN: That's a surprise
"-' beautiful place with a lot of potential. I think if 3 to me. That sounds like there's risk.
4 you start letting more and more of this stuff being 4 And I guess to my last question or
5 trucked in, you might as well throw the last pop at 5 comment. it's just a comment. It's rhetorical. It
6 any potential it has to be anything else in the 6 sounds like there's no accidents possible at this
7 future. 7 facility. and I find that odd. I find that
8 THE CHAIRMAN: Somebody over here on 8 suspicious.
9 my far side raised their hand at one point. 9 For example. and I didn't anticipate
10 INTERESTED CITIZEN: Don Moore. 10 that you would say that sheet flow from the parking
II just had a couple short questions. I heard II area is going to be the one where all these trucks
12 reference to many engineering studies that had been 12 are driving through with loads of crap and wash
13 done around the pond area. Is there any engineering 13 area. and that this is all going to be somehow
14 study that shows the interaction between the aquifer 14 contained in there and then coming off of that area
15 that it's connected to and the water in the pond and 15 that's going to go through a vegetated buffer that
16 its relation to the creeks? The flow that would be 16 we're never going to have pollution of that water
17 in and out of the pond to the creeks possibly 17 that's connected to the aquifer. I appreciate the
18 through the aquifer? 18 time. Thank you.
19 Is that for Dave, probably? 19 THE CHAIRMAN: My left midway. come on
20 MS. WITMER: The letter speaks for 20 up.
21 themselves and identify the studies that have been 21 INTERESTED CITIZE : My name is Jerry
22 done. 22 Lennon. Plainfield Township for 32 years. I'm here
?"
--' fNTERESTED CITIZEN: I guess that's a 23 asking that Plainfield Township seek all necessary
24 no. 24 actions needed to have the easement agreement for
25 The parking area there will be sheet 25 the recreation trail revoked so that -- so that the

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old trail would again be in Plainfield Township's
2 trail. Why') Because of the following several
3 factors:
4 I'm not going to read it all because
5 of time. but my biggest -- one of the questions I
6 have. is when this agreement was agreed to back in
7 1997. I think it was between Plainfield and Grand
8 Central. there was a mention in the agreement about
9 Conrail. the owner and operator of said quarries.
10 has the right to make use of ponions of the trail
II for access to these quarries.
12 My question is. in 2007. when Conrail
13 went bankrupt. how did the ownership get transferred
14 to Waste Management? Does anybody know that answer?
15 Because I cannot find a transfer of deeds.
16 In that case it means names would have
17 had to change in the agreement and also means that
18 it was still covered with water rights of
19 Pennsylvania.
20 In other cases it would also be
21 covered by a utility water rights. And those rights
22 don't just disappear.
23 Point number two would be. in the
24 construction of the nell' trail. it basically says
25 that it was a minimum of -- had to be a minimum of6
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I inches of2A stone and the I\-idth -- minimum width of
2 the trail of 8 feet. in addition a 6-foot barrier on
3 each side of the centerfold of said 8 feet. It
4 means that it should have totalled out at 20 feet.
5 I have walked that trail. I have
6 measured that trail. It varies from 13 feet to
7 maybe 8 feet.
8 The -- the 2A stone that they're
9 talking about is nonexistent. The most I could find
10 is a one-inch base and no more than three or four
II foot.
12 An emergency vehicle is mentioned.
13 Well. as you come in off of I think it was Rutt and
14 make the first right. there's two large trees.
15 Measured from one to the other is 13 feet. None of
16 our emergency vehicles could ever make that swing
17 because it's a dowll\yard 90-degree tum besides.
18 With all that said. I have traveled
19 and walked other trails. Out in Wind Gap there's a
20 trail. It's stone based. And that's been there
21 almost 20 years.
22 Point C is that storm water and runoff
23 for the facility. I walk that -- I can't find any
24 diversion ditches. I cannot find any piping going
25 across the road. but what I have found is a lot of
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I erosion. On some of the hills the slurry from what
2 they used to put down has become very slippery.
J" dangerous, and you can actually see and I have
4 pictures. of bicycles that slid on that. It's an
5 accident waiting to happen. And when it does, it
6 could be a fatal, get an emergency vehicle or get
7 help to carry maybe a half ami Ie out.
8 Besides that, the road that they
9 basically say they had to use is so overgrown that
10 no truck or no vehicle could even get there as a
II shortcut to that area.
12 The parking lot also basically says
13 had to have the ability for 10 cars. Again, I ask
14 you to go out there, look at parking lot, park your
IS car and tell me that you can get 10 cars in there,
16 because it's grass overgrown most times. It does
17 get manicured, I will say that. And I think
18 Plainfield actually does that manicure.
19 But that trail is somewhat dangerous
20 because it's now being recovered -- reverted back to
21 nature.
22 And in closing, it's -- that trail was
?"
_J supposed to be 20 feet, not 8, not 10, and I can
24 almost say, I don't think that's 6
25 inches -- remember it says 6-inch minimum -- was
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1 ever done. And it also says should be levelland or
2 leveled. It's anything but level. Thank you.
3 MR. LA YMA : Thank you. Mr. Levits.
4 Can everybody here hear me') I assume so.
5 First I want to compliment the
6 planning commission on continuing to have a very
7 thorough review of that project. We appreciate it.
8 We especially appreciate knowing that those members
9 of the commission are essentially volunteers. On
10 behalf of the borough we definitely appreciate the
I I time and the thoroughness that you're devoting to it
12 as well as the township's consultant.
13 Because of the lateness of the hour
14 and because there's so much more that you have not
15 yet been able to review from your own consultant's
16 letters. I'm going to be fairly straightfomard and
17 to the point.
18 All the issues are important. The
19 Waters of the Commonwealth issue. the wetlands
20 issues. they're all important. What's of paramount
21 imponance to Pen Argyl. which we will get to in
22 funher review. is the nui ance issues. the odors.
23 the vectors. the other things that are addressed in
24 the tOll"llship's -- in the nuisance of the township's
25 zoning ordinance and that are addressed in
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I Mr. Petrucci's latest review. We would just ask
2 that when you come to that. you pay special
3 attention to the attachment. which is the nuisance
4 monitoring and prevention measures that Ms. Johnston
5 has developed so that in the event. and we're a long
6 way from this. the developer is able to meet the
7 other requirements. that there be very powerful
8 nuisance control measures put in place so that any
9 effect. if this was finally approved. would be
10 minimized.
\I You have the power to do it under the
12 ordinance. She's written a several-page letter on
13 the way to implement that. We may never get that
14 far because they have a lot of other hurdles to
15 cross.
16 But those issues are the ones that
17 will most affect the residents of Pen Argyl. and
18 frankly. the residents of Plainfield who live nearby
19 this facility. Thank you very much for the
20 attention you're devoting to this and your
21 thoroughness.
22 THE CHAIRMAN: Was there anyone else
23 that would like to make public comment? Ma'am.
24 INTERESTED CITIZE : Hi. I'm Patty
25 Williams. Can you hear me? We had a problem with
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I hearing a lot of what was going on and we listened
2 to a very long dissertation, and it would be nice to
3 have a transcript of it, because we didn't hear of
4 that and so we really couldn't follow it.
5 But I do thank you very much for being
6 up there. I really do appreciate that you're doing
7 something for the rest of us.
8 I have some concerns. They're very
9 simple. I don't understand a lot of what was going
lOon, not just because of the volume, but because my
II lack of knowledge of it. But I have some very
12 simple concerns. I don't expect to get answers from
13 them. Ijust want to put it out there.
14 I'm concerned because I live within a
15 two-mile radius of this site that you're discussing.
16 I mention two-mile radius because I have read that a
17 two-mile radius -- if you're beyond that two-mile
18 radius, you're okay. If you're within that two-mile
19 radius, not so much.
20 I would like to really ask people who
2 I are not within that two-mile radius, who are
22 outside, maybe 10 miles or more, if you would
23 honestly want to live within that two-mile radius?
24 Would you want your children to be within that
25 two-mile radius? Honestly -- I don't expect you to
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tell me that now. but. honestly. would you really
2 want to do that?
3 So my simple concerns are water.
4 because water is life. It's our health. The air
5 that we breathe and smell. traffic. the school
6 buses. are they going to be affected? Our kids are
7 on those school buses. The roads themselves. what
8 are they going to look like after a while?
9 The value of our houses. our homes. is
10 that going to go down? I think maybe they already
I I have. just because of where we live in relation to
12 Waste Management. Add this into the mix. is the
13 value of my home going to be less than it was
14 before?
15 But I would also like to know the
16 public officials whp are in support of this project
17 and if you support the project. vote for them. If
18 you don't support the project. then don't. That
19 seems pretty simple.
20 I'm \\'ondering what the -- what the
21 benefits are. And. again. we listened to a very
22 long transcript. [would like some answers as short
23 as the questions. You know. not part A and part B
24 and number one and number three. but. you know. one.
25 two. three. four. five questions. one. two. three.
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2 especially for somebody like me who doesn't
3 understand all the technicalities. Something plain.
4 you know.
5 I guess that's it's. I would just
6 like to repeal. again. if you don't live within that
7 -two miles. if you live out of it. what would you
8 think about moving into it and moving your children
9 into it and. you know. really think about that and.
10 you know. it's your job. I guess. That's it. Thank
II you.
12 THE CHAIRMA : Anybody else that \\'ould
13 like to make public comment? Sir.
14 INTERESTED CITIZE : I would just like
15 to ask if the escrow account has been established
16 and if the applicant is actually paying for these
17 27-page review letters? The answer is yes?
18 MR. BACKE STOE: Yes. yes.
19 INTERESTED CITIZEN: That's good. so
20 at least you're volunteering your time. I appreciate
21 it. and at least the professional services are being
22 covered. because we are all wasting our time here.
23 I've been in attendance at Wind Gap's meeting where
24 Mr. Hecht has stopped by. Washington Township's
25 meeting. It is sad to say. you know. they are not
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standing up against this as Pen Argyl is. because 1 MR. KLEI TOP: Aye.
2 the nuisance is Slate Belt wide. 2 MR. SEAVAN: Aye.
,.,
3 Other communities are dealing with the J (Proceedings concluded at 9:24 p.m.)
4 impacts of dirty dirt. which we had the hearing here 4
5 several months ago. But we're seeing the truck 5
6 traffic on our rural streets. Obviously the truck 6
7 traffic will be regulated. But if it's forced to 7
8 come off Pen Argyl Road. it will be coming down back 8
9 roads. 9
10 And. again. I would just like to say. 10
II that we've had enough. We don't want it. We II
12 appreciate the fact that they're fighting for it. 12
13 but \I"e really don't want it. 13
14 THE CHAIRMA : Anybody else? Seeing 14
15 no one else. just a couple points. The engineers 15
16 for both parties will be communicating with each 16
17 other to go further. 17
18 I made a note that we try to improve 18
19 the audio for the next meeting or meetings going 19
20 forward. 20
21 Also made a note. and I agree that 21
22 it's nice to have things in lay terms. and I know 22
23 several questions or many of the questions that were 23
24 asked up here we're trying to cut through a lot of 24
25 the technical and hard-to-understand concepts and 25
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break them down to a common lay person's 1 CERTIFICATE
2 understanding. We tried to do that. A couple of 2
3 the members tried to do that as best as possible. 3 I do hereby certify that the
4 We have a lot of review left as we 4 aforesaid testimony was taken before me. pursuant to
5 spoke to a few minutes ago. 5 notice, at the time and place indicated; that the
6 Do we have any other order of business 6 testimony was correctly recorded in machine
7 from anyone? 7 shorthand by me and thereafter transcribed under my
8 supervision with computer-aided transcription; that
8 MR.BACKENSTOE: No.
9 the hearing is a true and correct record of the
9 THE CHAIRMAN: I'd like to thank
10 testimony; and that I am neither of counsel nor kin
10 everybody for attending. I thank you for your
11 to any party in said action, nor interested in the
II input. I \\'ould like to thank you for your
12 outcome thereof.
12 cooperation. I think it was a good meeting. Again.
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13 it was a short letter. We spent all night on it.
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16 date.
17 Charleen A. Eyer
17 Do I have a motion to adjourn. Registered Professional Reporter
18 MR. SIMPSO : I'll make that motion. 18
19 THE CHAIRMA : I have a motion. Do I 19
20 have a second? 20
21 MR. KLEINTOP: Second. 21
22 THE CHAIRMA : All those in favor say 22
23 Aye? )"
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2-l MS. DINGLE: Aye. 24
25 MR. SIMPSO Aye. 25

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