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January 7, 2008, 17:08 Viscous resistance coefficients in porous medium #1

fpingqian Fluent manual tell us that, for laminar flow through a fibrous mat, we can
Guest calculate the viscous resistance coefficients using Blake-Kozeny equation,
and ignore the inertial resistance. In my question, the dimension of the
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geometry is micro scale, so the viscous resistance coefficient is up to e-10.
In this condition, I can't obtain the good result compared with the
experimental one. However, when I change the the viscous resistance
coefficient to a higher value, for example, e10, the results can be well
agreement with the experimental one. Hope someone can tell me what
leads to this, and how to calculate the viscous resistance coefficient in
porous medium. Thanks in advance.

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August 12, 2009, 15:49 Viscous and Inertial Resistances #2

srjp The viscous and inertial resistances to flow in a porous medium can be
calculated from the Ergun equation, which gives the total pressure drop

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Member through a porous medium.

Check any book on fluid mechanics for the Ergun equation
JP
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Rep Power: 7 dp/dl = [150*mu*(1-e)^2/phi^2*D^2*e^3]*v + [1.75*rho*
(1-e)/phi*D*e^3]*v^2

The first term is the viscous loss (proportional to velocity) and the second
term is the inertial loss (proportional to velocity squared).

Compare this to the Fluent's expression for momentum sink:

dp/dl = Rv*mu*v + (Ri/2)*rho*v^2

This gives the values for Rv and Ri,

Rv = [150*(1-e)^2/phi^2*D^2*e^3]

Ri = [2*1.75*(1-e)/phi*D*e^3]

Nomenclature:
Rv: Viscous resistance
Ri: Inertial resistance
mu: Viscosity
rho: Density
e: Porosity of the medium
phi: Sphericity of the particles making the medium (can assume 0.75)
D: Diameter of particles making the medium
v: Average velocity

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August 12, 2009, 16:42 #3

coglione Hello,
Senior Member
always keep in mind, that Fluent requires the input of 1/a, where a is the
Max permeability you get from your Blake-Kozeny equation. In other words,
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you have to insert the inverse of a for each direction in your porous zone.
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Rep Power: 6 In your case a=1e-6 --> 1/a = 1e+6 what is exactly the correct value as
you found out at least.

cheers

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August 12, 2009, 16:51 #4

srjp Hi,
Member You are right.
Resistance is the inverse of permeability. It is normally in the range of
JP 1e+6 to 1e+10 m2.
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October 26, 2009, 18:13 #5

mehr bano Dear SRJP

New Member
could you please explain from where I can find diffrent values for phi
md ,Sphericity ? while i compared with some eurgen equation but i didn`t find
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this term , I am modelling prouse media in kiln and i need to clculate it,
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October 26, 2009, 18:27 #6

srjp Hi,
Member The Ergun equation assumes that the bed is filled with uniform sized and
shaped particles. The sphericity parameter is used as a conversion factor
JP for non-spherical particles (comparing the surface-volume ratio of those
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particles to an equivalent spherical particle).
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Of course, for fully spherical particle, the sphericity = 1.

Sphericity = (6/Dp)/(Sp/Vp)

Dp = Diameter of the particle

Sp = Surface area of the particle
Vp = Volume of the particle

For 'not so crazy' shapes, like sand particles, you can use sphericity around
0.8 - 0.9.

Complete list of sphericity values can be found in "Perry's Chemical

Engineers Handbook", or "Unit Operations of Chemical Engineering by
McCage, Smith and Harriot" or similar books.

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June 2, 2011, 09:20 ceramic membrane #7

arashoil Hi,
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i am working in modeling of ceramic membrane with 19 channel.i want to
arash know what mesh i must use for best result.then i must export that
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geometry to fluent and solve it by porous zone and multiphase flow.
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thank you so much

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June 2, 2011, 15:11 #8

srjp It should be noted that the porous domain calculation in Fluent is an

Member approximate one: It just adds a momentum sink in 3 directions due to the
inertial and viscous resistance.
JP The mesh type will depend on the accuracy, convergence and speed of the
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simulation. If not difficult, better to go with high quality hex meshes.
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June 15, 2011, 00:38 #9

zhhjll hi.
New Member I'm trying to model a micro filtration membrane(MF), are these parameters
useful for a filter or a membrane?! and, in porous media approuch via
zohreh fluent, we should set this two parameters for X,Y direction!!! can we set Ri
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and Rv from this equations for X,Y direction??
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June 21, 2011, 12:39 #10

zhhjll hi.
New Member I'm trying to model a micro filtration membrane(MF), are these parameters
useful for a filter or a membrane?! and, in porous media approuch via
zohreh fluent, we should set this two parameters for X,Y direction!!! can we set Ri

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June 21, 2011, 14:57 #11

srjp Yes,
Member You can still use the porous zone model for the membrane, since the
membrane is porous anyway.
JP If the membrane is homegeneous and symmetric, you can use the same
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resistance values in all directions (x,y and z). If not, you may have to
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This would be the case on the regular asymmetric ultrafiltration and
reverse osmosis membranes.

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June 22, 2011, 03:29 #12

zhhjll dear srjp

New Member thanks a lot for your answer, I want to model a micro filter, This filter
(membrane) is rectangular (10×5 cm) with the thickness 12e-5. so,I calculate this
zohreh parameters from Ergun equation which D=1e-6, because of the Micro filter type. is this
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i think this is very thin filter so there in not flow through in the membrane, in this
Rep Power: 4 situation is inertial coefficieant higher in Y direction? or not?when i set y-direction
inertial coefficient higher than x-direction got better answer! is this resonable?

I am looking forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely yours.

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November 27, 2011, 02:40 asphaltene precipitation #13

arashoil hi,
New Member
can i modelling asphaltene precipitation that exist in crude oil by uusing
arash ceramic filter monolit by defult formolation in fluent?

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i want to modelling separation of asphaltene from crude oil by 19-channel
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ceramic filter,but i think it is not define in FLUENT that precipitate
asphaltene on surface of ceramic channel base on diffrences between pore
size.

i must write UDF for this porpuse or not?

most of oil flow must pass through the membrane wall and most of
asphaltene must form a gel-layer and precipitation on inner surface od
channel.

please help me as soon as possible

thank you so much

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November 27, 2011, 03:16 asphalteene #14

arashoil Quote:
New Member
Originally Posted by srjp
arash Yes,
Join Date: Jun 2011 You can still use the porous zone model for the membrane, since
Posts: 7 the membrane is porous anyway.
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If the membrane is homegeneous and symmetric, you can use the
same resistance values in all directions (x,y and z). If not, you
may have to calculate the porosity and permeabilities separately in
the three directions. This would be the case on the regular
asymmetric ultrafiltration and reverse osmosis membranes.

hi,

can i modelling asphaltene precipitation that exist in crude oil by uusing

ceramic filter monolit by defult formolation in fluent?

i want to modelling separation of asphaltene from crude oil by 19-channel

ceramic filter,but i think it is not define in FLUENT that precipitate
asphaltene on surface of ceramic channel base on diffrences between pore
size.

i must write UDF for this porpuse or not?

most of oil flow must pass through the membrane wall and most of
asphaltene must form a gel-layer and precipitation on inner surface od
channel.

please help me as soon as possible

thank you so much

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hi,

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August 9, 2012, 21:24 #15

reynolds039 hello, thank's for this explanation of the viscous resistance equation,
New Member but i have a question : we know that: viscous resistance=1/absolute
permeability, but in the multiphase flow: viscous resistance= 1/effective
kaci fodil permeabiliy , or viscous resistance=1/absolute permeability, i need an
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April 25, 2013, 20:33 Simulating Flow over Porous Medium #16

chime Hi, I have the data from the flow over a bundle of tubes (in the context of
New Member a bundle of tubes at the bed of the channel). I was thinking of using the
Ergun equation as in the ANSYS manual to calculate the viscous and
CM inertial resistance, where the the tube diameter = diameter of particle, to
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create a macroscopic simulation of the flow in FLUENT, however, I haven't
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Is this valid? Please give me some advice. Thank you and tell me if I
should provide more information.

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April 26, 2013, 18:09 #17

srjp Is the flow across the pipes or along the pipes? This will change the
Member diameter to be used. Also, ergun equation is only for spherical particles, for
cylinders, you may have to use the appropriate sphericity.
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July 18, 2013, 21:02 Hydraulic conductivity of porous zone #18

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Tanjina Hi,
Member
I am trying to model a 2D porous zone filled with sand lied above a
Tanjina Afrin perforated pipe and water will pass through it. I have some queries, hope
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someone can help me out.
Location: South Carolina
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Rep Power: 2 1) Porous zone should have a definite hydraulic conductivity(K). But in
fluent, I didn't find any input button for this. Does inertial and viscous
resistance represent the inverse of K in fluent? If yes, should I calculate
the resistance value by the formula provided above for X and Y direction
both or only for y direction since flow is in Y direction?

2)If not, then how can I assign K value?

Thanks in advance.

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July 28, 2013, 22:51 #19

A CFD free user @Tanjina

Member Viscous resistance is actually the inverse of permeability value and it's
regarding to resistance exerted to flow by porous media. As far as I know,
there's nothing about hydraulic conductivity in modeling porous zone, but,
if you mean the heat conductivity of the porous material, it should be
defined by a UDF,due to anisotropic behavior of porous solid.

A-A Azarafza
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July 29, 2013, 21:03 two-phase porous zone #20

Tanjina Quote:
Member
Originally Posted by A CFD free user
Tanjina Afrin @Tanjina
Join Date: May 2013 Viscous resistance is actually the inverse of permeability value and
Location: South Carolina it's regarding to resistance exerted to flow by porous media. As far
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as I know, there's nothing about hydraulic conductivity in modeling
porous zone, but, if you mean the heat conductivity of the porous
material, it should be defined by a UDF,due to anisotropic behavior
of porous solid.

Thank you very much for your reply. Yup, I also come to know that in
fluent, we use permeability . And permeability is related to Hydraulic

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conductivity.

Do you have any experience about modeling of two phase flow in porous
zone? Please let me know.

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