From: Patel, Ashwin

To: Adams, David L (davidadams@pa.gov); Lutz, Paul

Subject: FW: King Road and Route 352, East Whiteland Township and East Goshen Township
Date: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 2:33:00 PM
Attachments: 294EXHIBIT.PDF
294EXHIBIT-ROUNDABOUT-RDY.PDF
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Ashwin B. Patel, P.E.
Senior Manager-Traffic Engineering & Safety Division
PA Department of Transportation
Engineering District 6-0
7000 Geerdes Boulevard | King of Prussia, PA 19406
Phone:  610.205.6567 | Fax:  610.205.6598
ashpatel@pa.gov | www.penndot.gov
 
 
From: Williams, Chris [mailto:cwilliams@mcmahonassociates.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 9:07 PM
To: Patel, Ashwin <ASHPATEL@pa.gov>; Hanney, Francis J. <FHANNEY@pa.gov>; Chris Yeager
(cyeager@eastwhiteland.org) <cyeager@eastwhiteland.org>; Rick Smith (rsmith@eastgoshen.org)
<rsmith@eastgoshen.org>
Cc: Kouch, Jamie <jkouch@mcmahonassociates.com>
Subject: King Road and Route 352, East Whiteland Township and East Goshen Township
 
The following is a summary of our meeting at PennDOT District 6-0 on March 9, 2018 with regard to
improvements to this intersection.  The meeting was attended by the following individuals:
 
Fran Hanney, PennDOT
Ashwin Patel, PennDOT
Rick Smith, East Goshen Township
Chris Yeager, East Whiteland Township
Chris Williams, McMahon
Jamie Kouch, McMahon
 
The following is a summary of the meeting.
 
The group reviewed a concept plan (attached) for an improvement option to maintain a
conventional four leg signalized intersection, with the addition of left-turn lanes on all four legs, and
realignment of the King Road approaches.
 
1. The improvements reveal improved operations (LOS C overall and D or better for
movements).
 2. The improvements will eliminate the need for split signal phasing on the King Road
approaches; however, protected permitted left-turn phasing should be implemented. 
Protected permitted left-turn phasing may also be needed on the Route 352 approaches due
to the distance through the intersection.  This should be evaluated further.
3. The historic designation of the Three Tun Tavern located on the SW corner should be verified. 
If this is determined to not be historic, it will lessen the impacts and associated mitigation
required.
4. If the driveway to the tavern is historically significant, then this driveway location should
remain in its current location.  The Townships will also explore the feasibility of providing an
alternate driveway across the rear of the property through the neighboring residential
development.
5. Although there are no pedestrian facilities to this intersection today, in the event they are
added in the future, the plan contemplates a pedestrian crossing across the eastern and
southern legs of the intersection.  It is not feasible to provide a pedestrian crossing of the
other legs due to grade issues on the NW corner, the driveway configuration on the NE
corner, and impacts to the tavern on the SE corner.  During design, these issues should
documented within a Pedestrian Needs Study.
6. The improvements include four foot shoulders along Route 352 and a five foot shoulder along
King Road which could be converted to a bike lane in the future if a bike lane is ever
developed for the King Road corridor to connect to/from Malvern.
7. It is necessary to verify the location of any existing bus stops at this intersection.
8. There is a potential impact to the on-lot septic on the NW corner property, but East Goshen
indicated its ability to allow a public sewer connection to this property.
9. There are right-of-way and easements required for this improvement involving 13 properties
and utility relocations (9 poles).
10. The improvements are designed to accommodate a WB-62 except for the trucks turning
to/from the western leg of King Road, which is limited today due to the skewed intersection
alignment.
 
The group also reviewed a concept plan (attached) for a roundabout improvement option.
 
1. Based on the traffic analysis, the roundabout performs better in terms of traffic operations
(LOS B overall and C or better for movements).  PennDOT also stated the roundabout is a
safer solution.
2. PennDOT stated the roundabout may score better for a grant application if it is determined to
be feasible.
3. There are less utility relocations with this option.
4. There are less right-of-way/property impacts with this option; however, there is at least one
major impact to the property on the NE corner.
5. There was discussion regarding the feasibility of shifting the roundabout towards the tavern
to balance the right-of-way impacts; however, it is not clear if this feasible due to historic
significance of the tavern.  The historic designation of the Three Tun Tavern located on the
SW corner should be verified.
6. There is excess property available on the SE corner, but this area may be needed for
stormwater management. 
 
The following discussion related to both improvement options.
 
1. PennDOT expressed strong support for the proposed intersection improvements, and
endorsed pursuing Multimodal Grant Funds for these improvements.  PennDOT encouraged
the municipalities to continue to apply for these funds even if the project is not awarded with
the first application.  There is likely not available PennDOT “roundabout” funding for this
intersection based on lack of crashes at this location.
2. A question was asked as to whether these improvements will bring more traffic to this
intersection; however, the municipalities both agreed the traffic is already here, and these
improvements will benefit traffic in this immediate area.  Also, some traffic is cutting through
the adjacent neighborhoods, and these improvements will benefit the neighborhoods by
eliminating the need for cut through traffic.
 
The following are suggested next steps discussed at the meeting.
 
1. The attendees agreed this project is not ready to apply for the current Multimodal Grant
application due at the end of March.  There must be additional work to further shape the
project.
2. Both Townships and PennDOT agreed a next step should include a public meeting with the
neighbors to review the improvements.
 
The following is a summary of the pros and cons of both improvement options.
 
Traditional Signalized Intersection Improvements
 
Pros
1. Improved traffic operations
2. With improved traffic operations, avoid need for cut-through traffic within adjacent
neighborhoods
3. No “major” right-of-way impacts – generally classified as sliver takes
4. Less expensive
 
Cons
1. Right-of-way impacts effect more properties (estimated at 13)
2. More utility impacts (estimated at 9 poles)
3. Greater impact to potentially historic Three Tun Tavern
 
Roundabout Improvement
 
Pros
1. Better traffic operations
2. Safer
3. With improved traffic operations, avoid need for cut-through traffic within adjacent
neighborhoods
 4. Less number of properties effected by right-of-way impacts
5. Less utility pole impacts
 
Cons
1. “Major” right-of-way impact to one property on the NE corner
2. More expensive
 
 
 
 
Christopher J. Williams, P.E. | Vice President & Associate Regional Manager - Mid-Atlantic
O: 610.594.9995 x 5104
D: 484.872.2274
840 Springdale Drive
Exton, PA 19341
cwilliams@mcmahonassociates.com
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