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ROUTE TO BECOME A

PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER (P.Eng)

Assoc Prof. Ir. Dr. Lariyah Mohd. Sidek


Civil Engineering Department
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College ofSidek Engineering
But first,, what is a professional
p
INTRODUCTION

engineer?
A professional engineer
(Ir or PEng) is a person who
is licensed to practice
engineering
e g ee g in Malaysia
a ays a a
after
te
meeting all requirements of
the
h lawl (e.g.
( pass PI
Examination).
Examination)
Ir means GENIUS.
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What are the 10 reasons for
becoming licensed as a PEng or Ir?
There are really more than 10 reasons
b t mostt will
but ill fall
f ll in
i four
f categories
t i ..
1 A legal necessity
1. necessity.
2.. Improved
p oved eemployment
p oy e t secu
security.
ty.
3. Better opportunities for
advancement.
4. Personal satisfaction.
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Legal Necessity
11. If you ever want or need to become
a consultingg engineer,
g , you
y must be
licensed as a Ir/PEng.
2. Only a Ir/P.Eng. can sign and seal
engineering documents that are
submitted to a ppublic authorityy or for
public and private clients.
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Opportunities
pp for Advancement
3. Many companies encourage licensure and some
even p payy a bonus for becoming g a P.Eng.
g
4. In education, more colleges are requiring a
Ir/P.Eng. license for engineering faculty or for
holding certain titles
titles.
5. In many industry, utility, and government
positions a P
positions, P.Eng.
Eng is required for specified jobs or
levels.
6. With the engineering profession now operating in
an international environment, licensing may be
required to work in or for other countries. You
will
ill be
b preparedd in
i the
th eventt your career moves ini
this direction (e.g. APEC Engineers, EMF Int.
Engineer Register, Washington Accord)
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Personal Satisfaction
7 Licensure is the mark of a professional.
7. professional
Ethical standards, continuing education,
andd professional
f i l competency are
eexpected.
pected. Ir.. before
be o e or
o P.Eng.
. g. after
a te your
you
name indicates you have met the
standards
t d d andd can be b respected
t d as a
p
professional.

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Improved Employment Security
8. Restructuring, downsizing and outsourcing
ARE REAL! A P.Eng. or Ir. license may
makek th
the difference
diff in
i finding
fi di new
p y
employment.
9. Industry and utility exemptions are being
eliminated
li i d in
i some jurisdictions.
j i di i
10 Continuing education is required for a
10.
professional engineer (CPD).
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The future . . . Are you ready?
Having a Ir or P.Eng. license is
the best insurance policy and
could affect your career. The
time to start is NOW from
STUDENT to PEng.

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Requirements for registration as a
INTRODUCTION
Graduate Engineer

 The recognized academic qualification for registration


as a Graduate Engineer with BEM includes the
following:
 An engineering
g g degree
g accredited/recognized
g by
y
BEM available in an approved list maintained by BEM
 A pass in Part I & part II of the Engineering Council
Examination of United Kingdom or Part I & Part II of
the IEM/BEM Graduate Examination in any particular
branch for qualifications that is not
accredited/recognized by BEM/IEM.

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INTRODUCTION as a Professional
Requirements for registration
Engineer
 Any
A candidate
did t whoh applies
li for
f registration
i t ti as a
Professional Engineer must:
 Be registered as a Grad
Graduate
ate Engineer with
ith BEM
BEM; and
 Have satisfied the training requirements of BEM; and
 Have
H passes th
the P
Professional
f i l Interview
I t i (PI) and
d be
b
elected as a Corporate Member of the Institution of
Engineers Malaysia (IEM) and
 Have been residing in Malaysia for a period of not
less than six months immediately prior to the date of
application.

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RouteINTRODUCTION
to PE – New Scheme
(Applicable to Engineer who register with BEM after 1 Jan. 2005)

ACADEMIC GRADUATE TRAINING Professional


REQUIREMENTS REGISTRATION R i
Registration
i

Accredited  Min 3 years


Engineering Degree Graduate experience Professional
(normal route) Engineer Interview (PI)
 Training record (Log
(BEM) & book) Pass
IEM/BEM Part II Graduate
Member ((IEM))  Course attendance
 Professional MIEM
Unrecognised Recognised Registration @
development Program
Engineering Masters in IEM
(PDP)
Degree Engineering
 Min 6 years
Recognised Engineering experience
Degree: P.Eng.
Graduate  Training record Registration
g @
Twinning/
Off campus/Distance Engineer--
Engineer  Course attendance BEM
learning with
restriction  PDP

Engineering Council  Continuing education


CPD
(Full Certificate)
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Source: Jurutera, August 2001, pg. 7-10
Basic Training Requirements
INTRODUCTION – New Scheme

The Need for New Scheme – WHY ?


 According to BEM announcement (Jurutera
(Jurutera,
Jurutera, Feb.
Feb 1998) new training
requirements were required due to the following two main reasons:
i. To safe guard the profession and for quality assurance since
Engineering
g ee g students
stude ts ca
can obta
obtain ttheir
e deg
degrees
ees tthrough
oug various
a ous ways
ays
such as approved twinning programs, part-part-time courses and distance
learning programs
ii. A need to raise the standard of Professional Engineers to prepare them
for global competition
 The new requirements include:
 Extended training period
 Compulsory courses attendance
 Professional Development Program (PDP)
 Continuing engineering education program in line with global
development
 The Professional Interview which comprises an oral interview and essay-
essay-
writing remains unchanged. The revised training requirements are listed in
Table I.
I

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Table I. Revised training requirements for Graduate Engineer
INTRODUCTION
Training Activity Graduates from Graduates from Approved
Accredited Programs Twinning, Part-Time, Distance
Learning Programs
Minimum working experience 3 years 6 years

General training linking engineering 2 years (min.) 3 years (min.)


concepts
t tto practical
ti l
Professional career development 1 years (min.) 3 years (min.)
training, e.g. skills awareness, project
management,
g , logical
g approach,
pp , team
work, responsibility, etc.
Satisfactory attendance at courses  Code of ethics 12 hours
conducted by BEM or any institutions  Health & safety, relevant by laws/regulations 12 hours
approved by BEM such as IEM  Engineering management practice 12 hours
 Topics related to engineering discipline 24 hours

Professional Development Program 30 units 45 units


(PDP) e.g. talks,
lk seminars,
i society
i
meeting and community services (1
unit = 1 hour participation, up to 4
units/day)
Continuing education program - 24 days
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Source: Jurutera, August 2001, pg. 7-10
Mandatory Training: General Structure
Graduate Engineer Registered with BEM

Organisation
O i ti with
ith PE Organisation
O i ti without
ith t PE

Training – Supervised by a registered Mentor (in the same discipline) selected


Professional Engineer by the Graduate Engineer or IEM

 Same discipline
 Within the same organisation Use IEM Logbook regularly

Meet Mentor regularly for


discussion/guidance/certification of
Graduate’s work at quarterly intervals
Certification of Graduate’s
Graduate s
work experience
Logbook to be endorsed by IEM at
least once a year

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Source: Jurutera, August 2001, pg. 7-10
PASS

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PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER EXAMINATION
Graduate Engineer Registered with BEM

Submit forms IEM/P1(1) & IEM/P1 (2) – IEM

Professional Interview (PI)

MIEM Registration @ IEM

P. Eng Registration @ BEM

CPD (50 hours/year)

Board of Engineers Malaysia (LJM) has decided that starting Jan 1, 2007,
the PAE will be conducted solely
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AP IrIEM on behalf
Dr Lariyah of the board.
Mohd Sidek
Source: Jurutera, August 2001, pg. 7-10
How to become a PROFESSIONAL
ENGINEER? (1)
To become a Professional Engineer (P.Eng) a
candidate
did t must:-
t
1. Register themselves with the Board of Engineers upon graduation as
it is compulsory under the Engineers Act 1967 for all practicing
engineers to register with the Board.

2. After registration with the Board, the engineer could approach


towards their objectives of obtaining Professional Engineer
((P.Eng)
g) status either on their own or through
g the IEM Logg book
scheme

3 All GRADUATES ENGINEER are required to complete at least


3.
THREE (3) years of relevant work experience after graduation with
an accredited engineering degree. These training stints should be as
f as possible
far ibl be
b completed
l t d under d the th guidance
id off a Professional
P f i l
Engineer (P.Eng) who is in the same discipline as the GRADUATE
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ENGINEER.
How to become a PROFESSIONAL
ENGINEER? (2)
To become a Professional Engineer (P.Eng) a candidate
must:-
 A registered Graduate Engineer is required under Section 10(1)(b) of the Act
to obtain
b i practical
i l experience
i in
i order
d to be
b entitled
i l d to sit
i for
f the
h Professional
P f i l
Interview Examination (PI) which is a prerequisite to apply for registration as
a Professional Engineer.

 The candidate shall carry out the practical experience in the following manner
as prescribed in Regulation 22(1) of the Registration of Engineers Regulations
1990:
1990

 The ppractical experience


p that a registered
g Graduate Engineer
g is required
q to
obtain under section 10 (1) (b) of the Act in order to be entitled to apply for
registration as a Professional Engineer shall be carried out in a manner
satisfactory to the Board for a period of three years.

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HOW TO BECOME A PROFESSIONAL
ENGINEER?
1. In the planning, design, execution or
management of such works as
comprised within the profession of
engineering (MIN 3 YEARS)

2. In engineering research and at


least ONE year of such practical
experience
PROFESSIONAL
ENGINEER
3. In the teaching in a course leading to a
3
qualification in engineering research; or
in the teaching in a course leading to a
qualification approved by the Board and
at least ONE year of such practical
experience shall be obtained in Malaysia
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How to become a PROFESSIONAL
ENGINEER? (3)
 Thi
This period
i d off training
t i i in i a local
l l environment
i t is
i greatly
tl
emphasized by BEM as it is of paramount importance for the
prospective
p p Professional Engineers
g to be familiar with the local
conditions and by - laws so that they can comply and practise
effectively in Malaysia.

 Notwithstanding the above, regulation 22(2) stipulates that if the


Board is satisfied
f ffor sufficient
ff cause or reason,, the Board mayy in
any particular case exempt either wholly or partly the requirements
as to the practical experience required to be obtained in Malaysia or
the requirement as to the supervision by a registered Professional
Engineer in Malaysia; provided that the total practical experience to
be obtained shall not be less than three years.

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How to become a PROFESSIONAL
ENGINEER? IEM Log Book Scheme
4. If they opt for the IEM log book scheme, they should follow the
procedures documented in the TRAINING SCHEME GUIDELINES
(get ref. from IEM).
(i) Mentee should meet with Mentor at least once every three
months th tto review
i and d di
discuss iissues related l t d his
hi training
t i i forf guidance
id
and verification.
((ii)) The logbook
g must be endorsed byy immediate superior p for
accuracy and authenticity before mentor can endorsed.
(iii) Mentor will advise continuously the mentee and to advise to
obtain relevant experience based on expertise for PI. PI
(iv) The log book must be endorsed by Honorary Sec of IEM once
a year.
(v) The content of Logbook should include (a) brief description of
the jobs or tasks performed by candidate such sketches, or simple
diagram.
g Detail investigation,
g studies and calculation could be
submitted as attachments to Log book.
(b) Record of activities in2009:
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topics learned during seminars, talks or courses should be


How to become a PROFESSIONAL
ENGINEER? Professional Interview
5. Once the candidate complete
p their trainingg
(either on their own or through the IEM Log book
scheme) the next step for them is to sit for the
scheme),
Professional Interview conducted by IEM. Once
they pass this interview they could be admitted as
Corporate Members of IEM and are then eligible to
apply to the BEM to be registered as Professional
g
Engineer ((P.Eng).
g)

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ACTION PLAN FOR POTENTIAL
CANDIDATES
1. If y
you’ve comply
p y all the requirements,
q , please
p submit y
your
application to IEM directly.
2. Submit application form IEM/P1(1) and IEM/P1(2)
3. Submit BEM Registration Letter as a Graduate Engineer
4. Submit Degree and Diplomas Certificates together with
transcripts
5.Evidence to show discipline/branch of engr if the information is
not in certificate
6. STPM/SPM/GCE/Matriculation or equivalent
7. Payment
7 P off PI ffees (RM100 ffor transfer
f case & RM200 ffor
Election case)
8 Forms completed with 1 proposer and 1 seconder
8.
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ACTION PLAN FOR POTENTIAL
CANDIDATES
9. Experience
9 E i clearly
l l tabulated
b l d after
f the
h date
d off graduation
d i and
d
breakdown of experience recorded in months
10. Signatures of 2 engineers to verify experience on each page
10
of the form.
11. Form IEM/PI(3)
/ ( ) to be submitted when called for INTERVIEW
12. Name will be circulated in IEM Bulletin in a month.
13. IEM form will be submitted when the interviewers called for
13
interview.

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Extra exam for engineering grads to qualify as professionals
• Graduate engineers
g will soon find it tougher
g to call themselves professional
p engineers
g
and to carry the Ir title before their name. The bar for the profession will be raised
come 2008 with the introduction of an additional competency examination.

• Citing greater competition with the advance of globalisation
globalisation, it was about time the
bar was raised and better engineers were produced. “The additional examination will
cover competency in the practice as well as in the laws of the land”.

• The current system allows for graduate engineers with at least three years' working
experience to sit a single examination called the Professional Assessment Examination
(PAE). Upon passing the PAE, the engineer would be considered a professional and
would earn the right to use the “Ir”
Ir title.
• But come Jan 1, 2008, candidates who want to sit the PAE will also have to sit for the
competency examination. Engineers who fail the competency examination would not
be considered professionals.

• Board of Engineers Malaysia (LJM) has decided that starting Jan 1, 2007, the PAE
will be conducted solely by IEM on behalf of the board.

• All stakeholders of construction projects to eliminate corruption by enforcing the
existing code of ethics to safeguard the profession's good name.

• “We need to place a greater emphasis on self-regulation to ensure that ethical practice
and quality works are consistently carried
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Documents to be Submitted for P.Eng. Assessment
INTRODUCTION
1
1. Report on Graduate Engineer’s training and experience prepared in accordance with
the PI regulations

 Report
p to be verified by
y a P.Eng.
g (e.g.
( g Mentor))

2. Report on a project carried out by the Graduate Engineer during the course of his/her
experience as tabulated in item No. 1. The report shall include design calculations
and/or
d/ engineering
i i drawings,
d i procedures
d or techniques
t h i employed,
l d results
lt obtained,
bt i d
discussion and conclusions

 Report
p or Case Study y to be verified byy a P.Eng.
g
 This will form part of the topic of discussion during the professional interview

3. Logbook if applicable

 Verified by Mentor and endorsed by IEM

Notes: A P.I candidate must submit documents showing g evidence of his/her engineering
g g
experience. It can be in form of drawings with calculation attached. The candidate must also
submit a report in chronological order describing the work he has undertaken since
graduation. The report must indicate clearly the engineering problems encountered by the
candidate and his/her solution to overcome this situation.
situation The candidate needs to have an
understanding of cost, quantities & magnitude, knowledge of technical standards and code of
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practices and the various restrictions AP Irapplications
on their Dr Lariyah Mohd Sidek the problem encountered.
in solving
Professional Assessment Examination (PAE) or
INTRODUCTION
Professional Interview (PI)
Basic Questions:
 Interview
te e
• What has the candidate done ?
 Basic engineering • Why has the candidate done it ?
 Training & Experience • Does the candidate fully understand
 Projects undertaken the engineering concept involved ?
 Duration = 0.5 to 1 hour • What engineering decision has the
 Write two (2) essay candidate made ?
• Wh t investigation
What i ti ti and
d consideration
id ti
undertaken to reach conclusions ?
 Section A: Training & Experience
Question to be given by the interviewer at the time of interview
 Section B: Code of Ethics
Questions (~ 1010--12) available to the candidate prior to PI. However, the interviewer
will select the question to be attempted by the candidate at the time of interview
 Duration
D ti = 1.5
15h hours each
h question
ti

 Competency Examination & Laws of Land (40-


(40-50 MCQ) will be conducted by BEM

Notes: The reason is to allow the candidate a chance to clarify certain points that were not
properly expressed during theCopyright
interview.
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AP Ir essay
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Mohd on the code of ethics.
Professional Interview: The Expectation
INTRODUCTION
 To assess the candidate’s
candidate s practical experience NOT ONLY on a
TIME BASIS but also on MERIT
 The purpose of ORAL interview is to clarify certain points stated in
th reportt and
the d tto ascertain
t i whether
h th th
the candidate
did t did carry outt the
th
job. The engineering experience gained should include planning-
design, investigation-field, work-construction, supervision &
management and general engineering related activities
activities.

In general the interview is intended to test the candidate’s:

 Understanding of the application of engineering principles to the solutions of


problems arising in the investigation, planning, design or construction of
engineering works or research
 Capacity to accept professional responsibility
 Ability to communicate – can write and present clear and concise manner
 Awareness of current issues pertaining to his/her field of engineering
 Ability to discuss/debate a wide range of current topics and at the same time
be aware of the Code of Professional Conduct

New exam requirements:


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(1) Competency in the practice as well as in the laws of the land.
Graduate Engineer:
g INTRODUCTION
The Way
y Forward
Mentor & Logbook
Graduate • Discuss with a Do your Homework!
E i
Engineer mentor in your Get as much info
info. from
Registration discipline BEM & IEM about current
• BEM procedures and training
• IEM • Check with IEM requirement/scheme to
about the Logbook become a PE
scheme

Graduate Professional
Engineer Engineer
(P.Eng., MIEM)
H
Have a Pl
Plan and
d Milestones
Mil t
Initiative, Commitment &
• The most important component is the
Professionalism !
TRAINING requirement
• Your effort = 80%
• Set
S t your GOALS & PLAN hhow tto
• Mentor’s effort = 20%
achieve the MERIT and EXPERIENCE
needed within the minimum stipulated
time frame
Failing to Plan, Is a Plan to Fail !
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Professional Engineer: Who’s Who in COE
INTRODUCTION
ME Department

Prof Ir. Dr. Ibrahim Hussein DVC (Academic) office ext. 7220
Assoc Prof Ir. Dr. Ramesh Singh BN 3-
3-070 ext. 7282
Dr Ir Jawaid
Ir Ali Sekkar

EE Department

A
Assoc P
Proff IIr. Dr.
D A Au M
Mau Teng
T BN 1
1--034 ext.
t 7201
Assoc Prof Ir. Dr Zahrul Faizi
Dr Ir Hj Tn Rashid

CE Department

Assoc Prof Ir. Dr. Lariyah Mohd Sidek BN 2-


2-016 ext. 7289
Ir. Marlinda Abdul Malek BN 1-
1-043 ext. 2275
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Ir Zakaria Che Muda
Prof Ir Dr Mohd Nor Md Desa

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P f i
Professional
l Engineer
E i

• Entitlement of Professional Engineer

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Entitlement

Section 7(1)(a), REA


No person shall,
N h ll unless
l he
h is
i a
registered Professional Engineer,
practise, carry on business or take up
employment
p y which requires
q him to
carry out or perform professional
engineering services

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Entitlement

Section 8(1), REA


No person or body,
N b d other
th than
th a
Professional Engineer or an ECP, shall
be entitled to submit plans, engineering
y , drawings,
surveys, g , schemes,, proposals,
p p ,
reports, designs or studies to any
person or authority in Malaysia

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Entitlement

Section 7(1)(aa)(i), REA


No person shall,
N h ll unless
l he
h is
i a
registered Professional Engineer, be
entitled to describe himself or hold
himself out under any y name,, style
y or
title bearing the words “Professional
Engineer” or the equivalent thereto in
Engineer
any other language
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Entitlement

Section 7(1)(aa)(iii), REA


No person shall,
N h ll unless
l he
h is
i a
registered Professional Engineer, be
entitled to use the abbreviation “Ir”
before his name or the abbreviation
“P.Eng.” after his name

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Entitlement

Section 7(1)(c), REA


No person shall,
N h ll unless
l he
h is
i a
registered Professional Engineer, be
entitled to recover in any court any fee,
charge,
g , remuneration or other form of
consideration for any professional
engineering services rendered

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Entitlement

Section 7(1)(d), REA


No person shall,
N h ll unless
l he
h is
i a
registered Professional Engineer, be
entitled to use the stamp as prescribed
in the Second Schedule

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