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March/April 2010

Also in this issue:


• How do you use AutoCAD Civil 3D?
• Groups Inside Revit Structure
Table

of
Contents
Editorial
Managing Editor
Marilyn Law
marilyn.law@augiworld.com

Technical Editor
David Harrington
david.harrington@augiworld.com

Contributing Authors
The CAD Manager
Mark Kiker
Education & Training
Antonio Fontenele
ADN
Kean Walmsley
AutoCAD Architecture
Melinda Heavrin
AutoCAD Electrical
Shafali Pandita
AutoCAD Civil 3D
John Evans
Autodesk Revit Architecture
Chris Fox
Felix M. Gonzalez
Autodesk Revit MEP
Todd Shackleford
Autodesk Revit Structure
Phil Russo

Art & Production


Tim Varnau
tim.varnau@augiworld.com

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6 Peopleware, Part 2 Inside Revit AUGI Board of Directors, 2010


Bill Adams

Structure 2010 Donnie Gladfelter


David Harrington
12 Creating Schedule Peter Jamtgaard

Tables in ACA 2010 26 Schedules for Life Mark W. Kiker


Paul Kirill
Kenneth Leary
30 Civil 3D – How Do John Morgan
16 Put a Shine on Dario Passariello

Those Floors! You Use It? Jane Smith

AUGI Officers, 2010

20 Saving Circuits to
34 Creating a Revit Mark Kiker, President
David Harrington, Sr. Vice President

an Icon Menu MEP Fire Alarm John Morgan, Vice President


Paul Krill, Treasurer

Family Bill Adams, Secretary


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The

CAD
Manager

Autodesk Partner
Products
It does not take very long for most CAD is worse than having one tool make a file
managers to realize that Autodesk® prod- unusable by another.
ucts are not the only things they need to Clean CAD Files – review the creation
manage. Working in a design environment and editing functions of all the tools to
brings several tools together in the effort verify that they do not “mess up” your files.
to move a design from concept to comple- Sharing Documents – when passing
tion. Autodesk plays a major part in the files on to others, no product should make
process, but others tools fill in areas where them difficult to work with for those out-
special needs may exist. side your firm.
Third-party or partner products are ad- Solid Client Deliverables – the over-
ditional software tools that work inside, arching goal of it all—your clients deserve
alongside, and in cooperation with the properly working files.
CAD and BIM tools that we use every day.
These tools embed themselves into the
interface or add additional dialog boxes or
Where do you find third-
commands that enable or expand the tech- party products?
nology that comes out of the box. Ask those in your firm who are in tune
Many of us are working in a mixed house with the tools that you use now. They
that contains multiple tools and multiple may know where to find other utili-
CAD platforms. We may have multiple ties to increase the impact of what you
plotters and we work on multiple projects, have already.
using multiple standards, with multiple us- Ask the new hires. When someone new
ers. How do we keep it all in order? How joins your firm, sit with them to find out
many plates are you spinning? what they used at their previous firm. Find
The goals should remain the same no out what the tools did for them. Find out
matter what mixture we may have. which ones worked and which ones failed.
We need to establish several overarch- Ask AUGI. Go to the forums and
ing perspectives that drive our offices and search or post a question. Look for
teams. Keeping these things in mind will those who have used the tools you are
help keep the mixture from becoming a reviewing and see what they posted.
poisonous potion. Ask Autodesk and your reseller. The re-
Unified Document Output – make needs to be a focus from now on. sellers are in the trenches and in tune with
sure that all tools are producing output Productivity Enhancements – review what others are using. They hear the suc-
that is in line with your standard. Colors, every tool with the goal of increasing pro- cessful stories and the troubles that oth-
pen weights, plotting output, and docu- ductivity. This may seem like a given, but ers are having. They know the trends in
mentation consistency is a must. many tools are selected because someone the industry.
Fully trained Users – with an expand- has used it before or because it is cheap. Autodesk also has a webpage with an ex-
ing set of tools, it is harder to keep every- Ease of Management – make sure tensive list… go to http://partnerproducts.
one up to date on all products. Training that the tools all work together. Nothing autodesk.com

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There are lists for CAD and Geospatial
and for Media and Entertainment
This site is maintained so that you can
find the latest Partner Products. It is great
for seeing what is out there. You can search
and sift through the available tools and find
what you need. You can filter by category
and find the ones that apply only to your
toolset.
Select from the list of products on the
left sash to filter the list.
You can also rummage through the
list alphabetically
This is a very valuable list of products.
There are too many in there to count. Take
a look and enjoy the wide variety of prod-
ucts available to support the Autodesk en-
vironment you have created.

Mark W. Kiker is president


of the AUGI Board of Di-
rectors. He is a National
CAD Standards Project
Team Member and team
member of the National
BIM Standard. Mark is
general editor of BLAUGI and also publishes
caddmanager.com, the CADD Manager’s
journal, as well as the caddmanager.com
blog. He is a returning faculty member at
Autodesk University. He is currently chief
information officer for HMC Architects in
Ontario, California.

Celebrate 20 Years
with AUGI!

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Education
& Training

Peopleware, Part 2
In the first part of this “CAD and Peo-
pleware” series (AUGIWorld, January/
February 2010), author Antonio Fontenele
discussed the pros and cons of training
existing employees versus hiring new pro-
fessionals to fill open positions. In this is-
sue, Fontenele continues with tips on hir-
ing outside the firm. - Editor

To hire the highly skilled design-


ers needed for CAD positions, you will
have to modify your traditional job de-
scriptions to specify the technical skills
that the candidates need in order to use
AutoCAD® correctly and effectively in
your office.
To determine the required skills, review
your current projects and the necessities
associated with them. Also, consult your
existing staff and your CAD manager. You
might even check newspapers, magazines,
or online job search websites to come up
with a list of qualifications your candidates
should possess.
Some of the typical qualifications
include:
• Architectural, engineering, or design • Proven experience in the production need experience in a particular special-
degree from a respected university. of contract documents sets, schematic ization such as hospitals or school build-
• At least two or three years of experience drawings, design presentations, proj- ings, commercial or residential designs.
in a design office. ects, and other drawings. Decide if you There is an obvious benefit from hiring a

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person who has experience in your firm’s PURGE command and count how CAD training program is a welcome ben-
specialty areas. many blocks are not in use as un- efit to both existing employees and those
• Experience in using other types of used layers and linetypes present in candidates you wish to hire.
software such as Corel, Photoshop, the drawing. If the file size is large
and others. due to the presence of unused con- Temporary Jobs
tent, the candidate for the job posi- In these economic times, more offices
The hiring process tion will need training in optimizing are opting to use temporary employees in-
Once you have finished modifying the AutoCAD resources. stead of hiring new staff members. While
qualifications that your ideal candidates talented temporary help can sometimes be
3. AutoCAD tests. Some companies ap-
should have, you might also need to mod- found through “word of mouth” among in-
ply tests to evaluate the skills of drafters
ify the way you conduct the interview and dustry colleagues or networking websites
and designers in their use of AutoCAD.
evaluate your candidates. such as Linked In (www.linkedin.com), for
Products such as AutoCAD Evalua-
An interview of a candidate for a job example, many design offices turn to job
tor from software house Profisee offers
that requires the use of AutoCAD should agencies to help them locate talent.
multiple-choice tests. The candidate
include these components: These agencies maintain a database of
chooses answers and the software auto-
designer contacts and take responsibility
1. Review of résumé and portfolio. Use matically shows the scores and analyzes
for the labor documentation. Sometimes
these items to obtain information on the results, sorted by question catego-
they pay the designers, too. Using job
your candidate’s breadth of experience, ries. Such tests can be quite useful in
agencies, design offices can contract tem-
responsibilities on the previous job, and discovering a candidate’s knowledge
porary help without having to worry about
decision-making capacity. Be sure to level. Remember, though, that these
the details involved in hiring full-time staff.
check for items such as Autodesk Cer-
tification. A certified professional will
bring a lot of AutoCAD experience to
your company. A good, in-house CAD training
2. Review of AutoCAD drawings. While
traditional printed drawings can show
program is a welcome benefit
what the candidate has produced using
AutoCAD, what they don’t show is how
to both existing employees and
the candidate did the work. A growing
number of design offices ask that can-
those candidates you wish to hire.
didates include DWG files to demon-
strate their proficiency level and degree The job agency might do an adequate
tests cannot evaluate knowledge related
of organization. This file can help you job of “filtering” candidates and send-
to design and project experience.
determine not only drawing quality and ing you top-notch professionals, but you
organization, but also these important 4. Training center reputation. The repu- still must go through the interview pro-
elements: tation of the places from which a can- cess to make sure the candidate in ques-
• Basic drawing configurations didate received training in AutoCAD tion is a good fit and that his or her skill
such as drawing limits and layer can also serve as an indication of their set matches your requirements. This is
organization. skills in that software. If a candidate’s particularly true in cases of a long-
• Customization level and reuse of primary training was received at a uni- term assignment.
work, indicated by the existence of versity, you need to verify that place Many offices discover that the em-
blocks, text styles, layer standards, and its resources to evaluate the valid- ployment of temporary teams is a good
linetype styles, and so on. You can ity of that training. If the school was way to locate efficient candidates for a
measure the customization level an official Autodesk Training Center, defined period.
when you are opening the files. For then it has been Autodesk “approved” Agency rules vary, so make sure you un-
example, if you are asked about any to certain minimum requirements re- derstand up front how the temporary em-
absent menu when you open the file, garding instructors’ competence and ployee is to be paid and whether benefits
this means menus were personalized. computing resources. need to be made available. In the event
The use of external references (xrefs), that you decide to offer the temporary
5. Information from former employers. You
typefaces, AutoLISP routines, and employee a full-time job with your firm
can ask for information about a candidate
other characteristics shows that the – which sometimes happens – make sure
from his or her former employers and
file was created in a highly customized you understand the agency’s policy with
this will help you to analyze his/her dedi-
system. Another sign of customization regard to that.
cation, performance, and knowledge.
can be found after you open the file Antonio Fontenele is a
and access the dialog box RENAME Salaries and benefits Brazilian architect, ATC
(type RENAME in the command In many cities, the number of good de- Faculty, AUGI Training
line and press ENTER), which ana- signers who specialize in CAD is low in re- Program Faculty, and
lyzes all the items that are available to lation to the demand for them. Therefore, member of AUGI since
be renamed. good designers hope to receive many job 2001. He is an AutoCAD
• Intensive use of blocks. You can ana- offers as well as salaries above the average. 2009 Certified Associate
lyze the blocks, their appearance, Because of this, some design offices opt and AutoCAD 2009 Certified Professional.
name, and insertion point choice. to train existing employees to help reduce You can contact him at
• Computer memory usage. Use the human resources costs. A good, in-house projeto@antoniofontenele.arq.br.

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Beyond
Autodesk:
Are you plugged in?
Autodesk has a long history of working to say that I manage as my “day job”) or by ization is done in-house or by a third party—
with and supporting third-party innovators a member of the network. allows our customers to maximize the return
through formalized programs such as the on their technology investment and greatly
Autodesk Developer Network (ADN). In Why it is… streamline their use of our software.
this article, Autodesk’s Kean Walmsley talks There were two primary drivers behind
about a program at Autodesk Labs dubbed this initiative: first, to solve real problems Where it started…
“ADN Plugin of the Month” (http://labs. that have been frustrating customers, and So where did the idea for this initiative
autodesk.com/utilities/ADN_plugins), second, to encourage people to take the originally come from? It all started at the
which shines the spotlight on promising plunge and start developing their own end of April 2009 when Mark Doel, who
new plugins for Autodesk products. plugins for their favorite Autodesk prod- works for an Autodesk customer in Hong
uct. Each plugin is provided with full Kong, contacted Autodesk about some
What it is… source code that people can extend for frustrations both he and other Autodesk
Since September 2009, Autodesk Labs their own purposes. customers have had with the naming con-
(http://labs.autodesk.com) has been host- By taking the hood off the implementa- vention AutoCAD uses when publishing
ing free, monthly Autodesk product tion of these mini-features, we hope that PDF documents. A member of my team,
plugins provided by the Autodesk Devel- people will see the relative simplicity—and Gopinath Taget, worked with Mark to
oper Network team. A new plugin shows significant benefit—of developing custom identify and implement a solution that
up each month, having been developed tools that are specific to the needs of their would address the problem. On delivering
either by a member of the technical staff business. Autodesk’s success, over the years, this to Mark, we happened to ask if there
supporting ADN members (Developer has in no small part been due to the belief were other issues he’d hit that had caused
Technical Services—the team I’m proud that tailored software—whether this custom- similar frustrations.

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Mark went on to describe how he also OffsetInXref (September 2009)
had issues with the fact that AutoCAD’s This plugin can be used with AutoCAD
OFFSET command was unable to offset to enable the OFFSET command to work
entities included in external references. So with the contents of blocks and externally
I put together a simple .NET plugin to en- referenced drawings. It’s of particular use
able OFFSET to work with geometry from to civil engineers and other frequent users
external references, and this tool went on of OFFSET who work with large, external-
to become OffsetInXref, September 2009’s ly-referenced datasets.
inaugural Plugin of the Month.
Some of you may be wondering what
happened to the first tool, which we called
RenamePDF: because this tool was imple-
mented using C++—which reduced its Figure 3: Screenshot for AutoCAD
relevance for an initiative introducing peo-
ple the possibilities of programming—we Screenshot for AutoCAD
decided it should not be among the first (November 2009)
to be published. So far the various plugins This plugin can be used with AutoCAD
published have all been implemented us- to simplify the process of capturing images
ing either VB.NET or C#. of parts of drawings, or the entire drawing
or application windows. As it allows you to
Who does it… remap the background to white and the
While my team is developing the major- foreground to black—or to convert the en-
ity of the plugins being published, early on tire image to grayscale—it’s a very handy
we realized that many people and compa- tool for reducing the time needed to docu-
nies would have their own tools they would ment designs in external documents.
like to share more widely with others, to
Layer Reporter for AutoCAD
showcase their skills and get well-deserved
Figure 2: Clipboard Manager for AutoCAD (December 2009)
community recognition. I posted an invi-
This plugin can be used to gener-
tation on my blog (http://blogs.autodesk.
ate a report of the layers used within an
com/through-the-interface) some time be-
fore the first plugin was posted which led Clipboard Manager
to a number of our more popular plugins for AutoCAD
being contributed: Clipboard Manager (October 2009)
from Mark Dubbelaar, Layer Reporter This plugin can be
from Terry Dotson of DotSoft (http:// used with AutoCAD
dotsoft.com), and the code inspiring to manage multiple
Facet Curve was provided by Jon Smith of clipboard entries, stor-
COINS (http://www.coins-global.com). ing and renaming
them for later use. It’s
What’s available… great for moving dif-
Let’s take a look at the plugins posted so ferent sets of content
far on a month-by-month basis. To access between various open
any of the plugins posted in prior months, drawings or for creat-
be sure to visit the updates page at http:// ing repeated copies of
labs.autodesk.com/utilities/ADN_plugins/ geometry without us-
updates). ing blocks.
Figure4: Layer Reporter for AutoCAD

AutoCAD drawing. The report formatting


can be customized to the needs of the user
and these settings will be applied when
the tool is used on other drawings, reduc-
ing the effort required to generate other
such reports. This is a useful tool for CAD
managers who need to generate reports on
layer usage in particular documents.

Facet Curve for AutoCAD


(January 2010)
This plugin can be used to facet 2D and
3D curves in AutoCAD: to approximate
their curvature with a number of straight
line segments. The faceted output is in
Figure 1: OffsetInXref the form of a number of lines or a single

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ADN team are avail-
able to help with
questions companies
have about bringing
software to market.
• Aw a r e n e s s
of new products and
APIs: we hold an-
nual conferences and
Figure 5: Facet Curve for AutoCAD
online events to help
polyline, as selected by the user. This tool people get advanced
will be of use to people needing to export Figure 7: Batch Publish for AutoCAD knowledge about fu-
complex curves to an environment—such ture product features,
maintain lighter-weight versions of their to help companies
as a CNC system—that may not support models for viewing and markup.
that particular type of object natively. plan their development activities.
Wherever pos- While a good number of the 3,300 com-
sible we’ve made panies belonging to ADN are commercial
sure the plugins work software providers or consultants, more
for multiple releases and more customers are joining ADN,
of our software: all having seen the value in a tailored solution.
AutoCAD plugins This year we’re also holding our annual
will work for releases DevCamps, where ADN members get the
going back to Auto- chance to attend a multi-day event held
CAD 2007 (both 32-
and 64-bit versions,
when available) as A new plugin shows up each
well as the various, month having been developed
corresponding Auto- either by a member of the
CAD-based vertical technical staff supporting
products. ADN members or by a
If you would like to member of the network.
propose a prospective
plugin of the month—
whether you have an near one of our development centers. This
idea for a plugin you’d year we have a Manufacturing DevCamp
like to see developed in Lake Oswego, Oregon, from June 2-4
or have a plugin you and an AEC DevCamp in Waltham, Mas-
would like to make sachusetts, from June 7-9. These events
available to the user are great opportunities to learn about our
community of your fa- products and how to develop with them,
vorite Autodesk prod- as well as getting to network with my team
uct—send us an email and the engineers who build our software.
at labs.plugins@au-
Figure 6: Screenshot for Inventor
todesk.com or post a Kean Walmsley has been
comment on my blog with Autodesk since 1995,
Screenshot for Inventor (http://blogs.autodesk.com/through-the- focusing on providing pro-
(February 2010) interface). gramming support, con-
This is a version of November’s plugin sulting, training, and
adapted to work with Autodesk Inventor. About the Autodesk evangelizing Autodesk
Use it to capture parts of 2D drawings Developer Network software to external de-
or 3D parts and assemblies, remapping (http://autodesk.com/joinadn) velopers. He has worked for Autodesk in a
the foreground and background colors or Membership in the Autodesk Devel- number of countries: he started his career in
converting the entire image to grayscale. oper Network (ADN) provides individuals the UK and has since moved to Switzerland,
This is very handy for anyone who needs to and companies with the help they need to the United States, and India. He and his fam-
quickly capture portions of Inventor mod- develop software based on Autodesk tech- ily have now settled back in Switzerland.
els and drawings for inclusion in external nology. Some of the benefits include: Kean’s current position is Senior Manager of
documents. • Access to Autodesk software: we pro- Developer Technical Services (DevTech), the
vide licenses for your development worldwide team of API gurus providing
Batch Publish for AutoCAD staff. technical services through the Autodesk De-
(March 2010) • Technical assistance: my team pro- veloper Network. Kean also spends time
This plugin automates the use of vides training, support, and mentor- blogging about developing on Autodesk
AutoCAD’s publish command to cre- ing around our products’ Application platform products at http://blogs.autodesk.
ate DWF and/or PDF files for a folder Programming Interfaces (APIs). com/through-the-interface, a popular
of DWGs: useful for people who need to • Business assistance: members of the Autodesk-related blog.

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AutoCAD ARCHITECTURE

Creating
Schedule
Tables in
ACA 2010
S
chedule tables have evolved Next, you will edit the options for the • Classifications enables you to assign
through many version of schedule table style. The eight tabs you a group of named properties to vari-
AutoCAD® Architecture software. have to choose from are as follows. ous objects. These properties assist in
Schedule tables are created to • General is where you would add a controlling how objects are displayed
graphically represent information specific description, if desired. You can also and scheduled.
to objects in your drawing. For example, click on Notes and add a note and/or • Display Properties allows you to
you may want a schedule table for objects a reference document. specify the visibility, line type, layer,
such as doors or windows. You may even • Default Format allows you to specify and other display properties of the
want a schedule table for room finishes or the format you want for your new schedule table style you are creating.
space inventory. There are many possibili- schedule table style. This includes Once your style has been created, you
ties for the use of schedule tables. text appearance, matrix symbol, and can drag and drop it onto your tool pal-
Let’s look at how to create a schedule cell size. ette for quick access. You can also add the
table in AutoCAD Architecture 2010.
• Applies To enables you to specify schedule table to the Annotation tab on
which objects you want the schedule the Ribbon by using the CUI. I highly rec-
Creating schedule table table style to track. This could be as ommend doing this if you plan to use your
styles simple as a polyline or a door. This new schedule table style frequently.
Schedule table styles are used to control could also be several ACA objects,
the appearance and the content of schedule
tables. A schedule table style for the type of
depending on what information you Property data formats and
wish to include in your schedule table.
schedule table you want to create must be property set definitions
• Columns allows you to add columns Before you create a schedule table, you
contained in the drawing. When a sched-
to represent properties that are re- will need to attach the property sets that
ule table style is copied into a drawing, data
ported in the schedule table style. You are referenced in the schedule table style
formats and property set definitions speci-
can also add column headings, edit to the objects and object styles. These at-
fied in the style are also copied. Property
column data, and edit column place- tached property sets become the contain-
data formats and property set definitions
ment in your style (see Figure 1). ers for the data that will appear in your
will be discussed later in this article.
Like many entities of ACA, schedule • Sorting lets you specify the sort or- schedule table. A schedule table extracts
table styles are created and edited in the der of each row within the schedule the data from objects and displays it in the
Style Manager under the Manage tab of table style. table. Data is not saved in the table itself.
the Ribbon. To create a new style, expand • Layout allows you to specify the Property set definitions are created
Documentation Objects, right-click on format of the table title, the col- and edited in the Style Manager under
Schedule Table Styles, and click new. En- umn headings, and the matrix the Manage tab of the Ribbon. To cre-
ter a name for the new style and hit enter. column headings. ate a new property set definition, ex-

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added to objects through
the properties palette, ex-
tended data tab.
A property data format
is applied to each defini-
tion within a property set
definition. Property data
formats are created and
edited in the Style Man-
ager under the Manage tab
of the Ribbon. To create a
new property data format,
expand Documentation
Objects, right-click Prop-
erty Data Formats, and
click new. Enter a name
for the new format and
click enter.
Now you want to click
on the Formatting tab.
Here, you will need to
specify how you want the
formatting to appear. Fill
in all information pertinent
to the format you are cre-
ating. Click Apply and OK
when you are finished.

Figure 1: Schedule Table Style – Add Column. Insert a schedule


table
Begin by opening the
Annotation tab of the Rib-
bon or opening your tool
palette (depending on
where you placed your
new schedule table style)
and selecting the Schedule
Table you created.
Next, select the objects
you wish to include in the
schedule table or you can
press enter to schedule an
external drawing. Objects
selected that are not of
the type specified for the
schedule table will auto-
matically be filtered out of
the drawing.
Next, you need to specify
in the drawing area the in-
sertion point for the upper-
left corner of the schedule
table and then specify the
lower-right corner of the
table or you can press en-
ter to scale the schedule
table to the current draw-
Figure 2: Define a property data format. ing scale (see Figure 3).
If your schedule table
pand Documentation Objects, right-click ties your new Definition Applies To. Now contains question marks in
Property Set Definitions, and click new. you want to click on the Definition tab and any of the cells, the property set definition
Enter a name for the new definition and add Property definitions as needed (see that contains that property is not attached
click enter. As with the Schedule Table Figure 2). Click Apply and OK when you to an object or object style. If you have
Style, you will want to check which enti- are finished. Property Set Definitions are empty cells or dashes within cells, this in-

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Figure 3: Annotation Ribbon

Figure 4: Update schedule table.


dicates that the property set definition is at- click Update Schedule Table. Please note
tached but data is either not available or is that when you select a schedule table in
not entered for that object or object style. your drawing, the Schedule Table Tab
It is important to note that property appears in the Ribbon. Updates and edits
data formats, property set definitions, and can be performed straight from the Rib-
schedule table styles cannot be changed bon. (See Figure 4.)
through RefEdit. Changes made through You can also add objects to or remove
RefEdit seem to work, but the drawing will objects from a schedule table after it has
revert to the previous settings when saved been inserted in the drawing. All you
back to the xref file. have to do is select the schedule table,
If you are using an xref file and want right-click, and click Selection. Next
changes made to the schedule table, you click either Add or Remove, depending
will need to open the xref drawing directly on what you want to do. You then select
and make your changes there. the objects in the drawing that you want
to add to or remove from the table and
Updating a schedule table press enter.
A schedule table will update changes schedule table style and observe the power
automatically when the automatic update Conclusion at your fingertips!
option is turned on. This option can be Schedule tables are useful and widely
turned on by right clicking on the schedule used tools in the architecture industry. Melinda Heavrin is a CAD
table style on the tools palette and select- Creating your own schedule table styles Coordinator for Norton
ing properties. Under Selection you can can help increase your productivity. It sure Healthcare in Louisville,
choose Add New Objects Automatically. beats manually drawing a table, manually Kentucky. She can be
If this option is turned off, you can man- placing text in each cell, then manually reached for comments
ually update a schedule table. To do this, updating text changes. I challenge you to and questions at
select the schedule table, right-click, and go through the steps to create your own melindaheavrin@alltel.net.

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REVIT ARCHITECTURE

Put a Shine on Those Floors!


Creating and Finishing Floors in Revit

Editor’s note: In this article I will outline many tech- A word


In this column we concentrate on niques for creating and managing floors; about nomen-
modeling techniques for a common not all of them will be equally useful to all clature: Revit
item that is often under-used, the ba- designers at all times, but knowing how to Architecture
sic floor. employ the myriad techniques that Revit makes a dis-
–Chris Fox, AUGI Revit Editor holds for working with floors will at some tinction be-
point save you time and grief. tween a floor
As a building designer or drafter, you and a slab.
may feel shy about putting energy into Etch a sketch Slabs are foun-
modeling floors or slabs. At an extreme, The Floor tool on the Home tab in dation items,
one could probably go for years doing proj- Revit Architecture shows four options: i.e., they sup-
ects in Revit without ever really creating Floor, Structural Floor, Floor by Face, port other ob-
a floor. After all, you can fake them easily and Floor Slab Edge. (In Autodesk Figure 1: The Floor tool on the jects as their
enough in plan and elevation views, and Revit Structure, the Floor tool options are Home tab in Revit Architec- primary func-
ture.
who really uses floor schedules anyway? Structural Floor, Architectural Floor, and tion. However,
Readers of my Autodesk® Revit® col- Slab Edge). In Revit Architecture, you the Structural Analysis/Structural Usage
umns will know by now that I have always can simply ignore the Structural Floor op- field of a floor’s instance properties will
advocated making a complete, accurate tion. Any floor you create using this has show Slab, and that same field of a Slab
model as the most effective, efficient, and the same instance and type properties as a will show Foundation. In Revit Architec-
quickest method of creating your con- regular (Architectural) floor, and you can- ture you place a Foundation Slab by using
struction documents. Floor objects, prop- not tick the Structural box in the instance the Foundation tool from the Structural
erly created and finished, hold and display properties anyway! Structural floors cre- panel on the Home tab.
a wealth of information that is tedious, dif- ated in Revit Structure will display cer- Floors are sketched items unless you are
ficult, or simply not accurate when created tain structural properties when viewed in working with mass objects (Floor by Face).
by 2D drafting. Revit Architecture. Slab Edges are applied to existing floors.

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Both of these techniques will be covered sweeps. Offsetting them produces drop-
in a later paragraph. You always have to edge conditions. Walls sitting at slab edges
pick Finish Floor when in sketch mode, can be modified to have their outside layer
and sketches have to be complete: no caps, (such as brick or block) extend below the
no overlapping lines. You can create and nominal base of the wall to meet the edge.
edit floor sketches in plan or 3D views. This will create correct conditions through
Working through a floor sketch is one any sections cut around the slab edge.
place to make haste slowly; take the time
to create your floor boundary carefully,
with appropriate constraints, and it will
flex as needed later on. Learn the sketch
options (line, rectangle, circle, etc.) so they
become second nature; 3D modeling is
built on 2D drafting.

Pick ‘em
The default floor sketch option is to Pick
Walls; Revit assumes that by the time you
are creating floors, you have placed at least
your external walls. When you pick walls
you have a choice to have the floor extend
into the wall to a core layer. This will affect
how the floor and wall display in section
views. You can pick lines as well, such as
edges of model objects, lines from a CAD Figure 3: Create floors from mass floors.
Figure 4: Three views of a floor with offset slab
and roofs directly from the edge under a wall with a base extension. Move the
mass shape and these can be wall and the floor (with edge) will follow.
edited by changing the mass.
Making built floors from
masses is a two-step process: Views, materials, and paint
create Mass Floors inside the Get used to working on floors in 3D
mass, and then use those to views. In fact, create 3D views just for
create Floor by Face. Select floors! You can hide elements individu-
a mass object and click Mass ally or by category to emphasize a floor.
Floors on the context tab that You can activate the Section Box of a 3D
appears. In the dialog, specify view to clip the display of walls above and
the levels for the mass floors. below a floor. You can override the graph-
Those remain part of the ics of elements to make them transparent,
mass, and toggle on and off and you can make materials such as roof
along with the host mass by and wall coverings partially or totally trans-
using Show Mass and other parent to enhance visibility of floors. All
visibility controls. these settings can be saved in view tem-
Figure 2: Pick options for a floor boundary sketch. When the mass and its plates so you can restore a particular view
contained floors are visible, condition quickly.
file, or grids. When you pick items you can it’s a quick process to create one or more Use materials with surface patterns
specify an offset. Revit Structure has a Pick floors using Floor by Face. This tool is also when first creating floors, so it will be obvi-
Supports option as well. available on the Massing & Site tab, Con- ous in plan views when floors are present.
Pick options, combined with TAB + se- ceptual Mass panel, as Model by Face > It’s easy to change the material pattern lat-
lect, can greatly speed up your sketching Floor. You can offset the edge of a floor er if your graphic standards require. When
and make it more accurate. Whenever pos- created this way to allow for the thickness you have many different floor surface ma-
sible, do not trace lines endpoint to end- of walls you create by using Wall by Face, terials present, such as tile, carpet, wood,
point. Let the software find the line for you and so avoid unwanted intersections. Cre- and concrete in close proximity, consider
and you can edit your sketch later if the ating and scheduling floors from mass ob- using Split Face and Paint to apply graphic
original line is too short or too long. Split, jects can be a very quick way of deriving overrides to relevant sections of a single
Trim, Extend, Offset, and Align are always area calculations at early stages of a proj- floor’s surface to represent the materials,
available on the Modify tab. Use them ect, while the shape of the building enve- rather than creating separate floors all at
constantly to refine floor sketches and your lope is being developed. exactly the same level. Painted materials
modeling will become precise and confi- will appear in all views that show the sur-
dent very quickly. Life on the edge face of the floor.
You can apply Slab Edge objects to
Mass appeal floors to represent thickened conditions, Floor structure
When you use Massing as part of Con- as under external walls. These are pro- Floors are made up of parallel layers of
cept Design, you can create floors, walls, file-based hosted sweeps, much like wall material, as are walls, ceilings, and roofs.

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Your floors can be as simple or as complex
as you desire to represent conditions most
effectively. Do you wish to lock ceiling ma-
terials to the underside of floor joists so
Knowing how to employ
ceilings will move up or down automati-
cally as floor levels adjust during design?
It’s as simple as creating a layer in the
the myriad techniques
that Revit holds for
floor structure.
Floors in-
teract with

working with floors will


walls based on
floor bound-
ary placement,
according
wall structure.
to
at some point save you
You can have
floor boundar-
ies terminate time and grief.
at wall faces or
penetrate the
walls by proper
use of core lay-
ers. This makes
sections of
wall-floor inter-
floor edges to align with the supports.
sections correct
All these changes are 3D and visible in
for a variety of
relevant views.
conditions with
If you wish to represent drainage,
minimal draft-
for example, by placing set down points
ing.
in a floor, you need to designate that an
appropriate layer of floor material is
Figure 5: Floors and walls meeting.
variable thickness (done in the Type
Properties dialog) so the bottom of the
floor does not flex with the top, but re-
Framing – on the beam mains flat.
Floor types that include joists do not
Floor shape editing tools are not ap-
create individual joists. These floors, when
propriate for creating stepped recesses
seen in section, have lines representing the
in floors. For these conditions, bite
top and bottom edge of a joist. If you cre-
the bullet and create separate floors of
ate framing plans, consider making your
different types according to thickness
floor type without joists or beams, and use
and align their lower surfaces. If you
the Beam System tool to place joists in
have practiced any of the floor creation
3D space.
techniques I have gone through in this
Beam Systems are extremely flex-
article, you will have no problem cre-
ible and very quick. You can use them for
ating complex conditions accurately
beams, joists, rafters, and purlins. Then
and quickly!
sections through the floor will be correct
for detailing, and framing plans can be ex- Figure 6: Deflections in a floor surface.
act. If you work in custom residential de- Chris Fox is the Revit edi-
sign, Revit’s floor tools can make balconies the host floor and will join with each other. tor for AUGIWorld, and
and mezzanines that will make your clients Shafts are multi-story—very convenient! has written numerous ar-
sigh and the carpenters smile. ticles on Revit Architec-
Flex for the crowd ture, Revit Structure and
Openings You can pitch or warp floors in various Revit MEP. He has written
Stairs do not cut holes in floors, so you ways. Any one line in a floor boundary sketch Autodesk Official Training
must make openings for them. This is not can define a slope. You can create a Slope Courseware for Revit Architecture and Revit
a bad thing. You can make openings by ed- Arrow to point in any direction, not only Structure and Introducing and Implement-
iting the floor boundary and adding lines; parallel to an edge, but corner to corner, for ing Revit Architecture 2010, published by
each loop must be complete and properly example. When you select a floor, the Shape Autodesk Press. Chris recently moved from
drawn. Openings made this way are part Editing panel on the context tab allows you the US to Australia, and is leading training
of the floor. You can also use the Openings to create splits in the floor by adding deflec- classes in Revit through corporate,
tool on the Home tab. Vertical openings tion points, split lines to provide borders for university and technical school contacts
and shafts apply to floors. Hosted openings the splits that the points make, and you can there. You can reach him at
can be moved and edited separately from pick supports for the floor, which will move chris.fox@archimagecad.com.

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AutoCAD ELECTRICAL

Saving
Circuits
to an
Icon Menu
The Save Circuit to Icon Menu tool in ton from the Edit Components panel of Menu
AutoCAD® Electrical is used to save the the Schematic tab; the Save Circuit to Icon The Menu toggle button located at the
selected portion of a circuit for future use. Menu dialog box is displayed, as shown in upper right corner in the Save Circuit to
To save the selected portion of a circuit, Figure 1. The options in this dialog box are Icon Menu dialog box is used to toggle the
choose the Save Circuit to Icon Menu but- explained next. Menu area. By default, this toggle button is
chosen. As a result, the
Menu area is displayed
on the left in the Save
Circuit to Icon Menu
dialog box.

Up one level
The Up One Level
button is used to dis-
play the component
symbols that are one
level before the cur-
rent menu in the
Menu area.

Views
The Views button is
used to change the dis-
play of the JIC: Saved
User Circuits area.
When you choose the
Views button, a fly-
out is displayed. The
flyout consists of the
Icon with text, Icon
only, and List view op-
Figure 1: The Save Circuit to Icon Menu dialog box.
tions. If you choose an

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tivated. Note that this
check box will not be
activated if you enter
the full path of the im-
age file in the Image
file edit box.

Preview Area
The Preview area
will be activated only
after you enter the
name of the image file
in the Image file edit
box. The preview of
the selected drawing
or block is displayed in
the Preview area.

Circuit
Drawing File
area
Figure 2: The Create New Circuit dialog box The Circuit Draw-
ing File area is used
option from the flyout, a tick mark will be enter the name of the image file in the Im- to define the file name of the new circuit.
displayed adjacent to that option. By de- age file edit box manually. Also, this area displays the location of the
fault, the Icon with text option is chosen in Alternatively, choose the Browse but- circuit drawing file that is being created.
the flyout. As a result, icons along with the ton; the Select image file dialog box will
name of the icon are displayed in the JIC: be displayed. In this dialog box, you can File name
Saved User Circuits area. browse to the images saved in .sld or .png Specify the file name for the circuit in
If you choose the Icon only option from files format. Select the file from the Select the File name edit box.
the flyout, then the JIC: Saved User Cir- image file dialog box and choose the Open Location
cuits area will display only icons. button; the file name will be displayed in Once you enter file name for circuit in
If you choose the List view option from the Image file edit box. the File name edit box, the path and loca-
the flyout, then the icons along with their You can also choose the Pick < button; tion of the circuit is displayed on the right
names will be displayed in the list form in the Create New Circuit dialog will tempo- of the Location label in the Circuit Draw-
the JIC: Saved User Circuits area. rarily disappear and you are prompted to ing File area.
The Add button is used to add compo- select the block. After selecting the block, After specifying the parameters in the
nent, command, new circuit, existing cir- the Create New Circuit dialog box is dis- Icon Details and Circuit Drawing File
cuit, and submenu icons to the menu. To played again and the name of the block will areas, the OK button becomes avail-
add a new circuit to the icon menu, choose be displayed in the Image file edit box. able. Choose the OK button; you will be
the Add button displayed at the upper In addition, you can specify the active prompted to specify the base point. Spec-
right corner of the Save Circuit to Icon drawing name as an image file in the Im- ify the base point in the drawing area; you
Menu dialog box; a flyout with different age file edit box by choosing the Active are prompted to select objects.
options is displayed. Next, choose the New button from the Create New Circuit dialog Select individual objects or all objects at
Circuit option from the flyout; the Create box. On choosing the Active button, the once using the crossing window and then
New Circuit dialog box will be displayed, name of the image file will be displayed in press enter; the Save Circuit to Icon Menu
as shown in Figure 2. the Image file edit box and the location of dialog box will be displayed again. You will
Now we’ll explore the different areas the image file will be displayed under the notice that the circuit is saved as an icon in
and options in the Create New Circuit dia- Create PNG from current screen image the JIC: Saved User Circuits area and the
log box. check box. preview of the circuit in the form of icon is
Create PNG from current screen also displayed in the Save Circuit to Icon
Icon Details area Menu dialog box.
The Icon Details area is used to specify image
The Create PNG from current screen Next, choose the OK button to save
the name of the icon and image for the new
image check box is used to create the .png the changes made in the Save Circuit to
icon. This area also displays the preview of
file from the current screen image. Once Icon Menu dialog box and exit from this
an image. Following are the options in the
you enter the name of the image file in dialog box.
Icon Details area.
the Image file edit box, the Create PNG
Name from current screen image check box will Shafali Pandita is a Sr.
Enter a name for the circuit in the be activated and it is selected by default. CAD Engineer. You can
Name edit box. If you clear the Create PNG from current contact her via email at
screen image check box, the Zoom < but- shafalipandita@gmail.
Image file ton as well as the preview of the selected com.
The Image file edit box is used to specify
block in the Preview area will not be ac-
the image file. To specify the image file,

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REVIT STRUCTURE

Using Groups Inside


Revit Structure 2010

At one point or another if you are working inside Autodesk®


Revit® Structure, you will be looking for ways to increase pro-
ductivity. Like Blocks in AutoCAD®, Revit Families allow you to
make global changes to that item in your drawing and/or BIM
model. Groups take this concept one step further by allowing you
to create a collection of items. These items can contain families,
text, or any other item in your Revit Structure Model. Whenever
you have more than one item selected, a Multi-Select Ribbon tab
will become available. The Create panel in the Ribbon will feature
the Create Group tool as shown in Figure 1.

Figure 2: Typical beam to column connection.

Creating a group
Figure 1: Create Group tool
Figure 3 shows a typical
column to beam connection
Why use groups? where the cross bracing and
The main reason to use groups is to better manage change. No plate have been selected.
matter how early or late you are in design development or the Once these items have
construction documentation process, change is inevitable. Groups been selected, the Multi-
are a way to help streamline those changes. Select Ribbon tab becomes
Group creation and placement takes thought to ensure that the available. From the Create
group will be effective. Groups are most effectively used if there panel, select Create Group
is a repetitive condition in your design. One of these conditions as shown in Figure 1. Once
could be something as basic as the way your standard column to you have selected the Cre-
beam connections are detailed. Groups are a way to manage these Figure 3: Revit Selection set ate Group tool, a dialog box
connections. When a group is changed, it will update across all will appear as shown in Fig-
conditions where it was used, thus eliminating the need to manu- ure 4. This will allow you to
ally update each connection. name your Model Group. If there were annotation items selected
If groups are used in places that are not repeated throughout as well, you will also be prompted in this dialog box to name your
your model, they will be ineffective. Attached Detail Group.

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Editing a group
When groups are established in your Revit project you can
exchange them from the type selector the same way you would
exchange a structural column for a different size. Figure 8
shows the type selector after one of the connection groups have
been selected.

Figure 4: Create Model Group and Attached Detail Group dialog box.

Once you select OK from the Create Model Group and At-
tached Detail Group Dialog box, your Group will be available in
the project browser to drag into other locations in your model. Figure 8: Type selector

To edit your group, simply select your Group and then select
the Edit Group tool from the Ribbon panel as shown in Figure 9.

Once you
select the Edit
Group tool you
will be in an
Figure 5: Group in project browser edit mode and
there will be a
new Edit Group
This typical connection may be used several times in your
panel available.
Revit Structure model. However, there may be instances where
the C3x6 X-Brace and the connector plate need to be sized dif-
ferently. Figure 6 shows another connection where the “C” Figure 9: Edit Group tool
channel and connector plate have been sized up to handle a
different condition.
Figure 7 shows
two different groups
in the project brows-
er. The second group
was created by re-
peating the steps on
creating a group pre- Figure 10: Edit Group panel
viously discussed.
The Edit Group panel has tools available to do the following:
Add: The Add tool allows you to add additional components to
the group.
Figure 6: Optional connection Remove: The Remove tool allows you to remove an item from
the group.

No matter how early or


late you are in design
development or the
construction documentation
process, change is
inevitable. Groups are a
way to help streamline
those changes.
Figure 7: Project browser

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Finish: Once you select Finish, all
your group instances in the model are
updated to reflect that change.
Cancel: Selecting cancel will discard
any changes you made to the group.
If a group is no longer required where
one was placed, you can use the ungroup
tool, shown in Figure 12. This tool, on
the Group panel, is similar to exploding
a block in AutoCAD. The elements that
belong to the group will return to indi-
vidual elements like they were before
they were grouped.

Sharing your group


The Link tool will turn your group
Figure 11: Group properties into a linked file that will be stored ex-
Group Properties: Figure 11 shows the
group properties dialog box. As you can see,
groups are a system family. The only change al-
lowed in the properties dialog box is to select a
different group.

Figure 12: Ungroup tool


Figure 13: Convert to Link

ternally from your model. When you select the Link tool, you will
have two options to choose from, as shown in Figure 13.
The First Option, “Replace with a new project file,” will cre-
ate a new Revit Project file and link it back into your model. This
option is useful if other projects will need to use this same group.
This allows one file that can be maintained and utilized with mul-
tiple projects.
The second option, “Replace with an existing project file,” will
remove your group from the project and replace it with an existing
Revit project that you specify.

Conclusion
Using groups in a Revit project will give you better manage-
ment over typical element configurations in your model. Convert-
ing Revit groups into external linked files allows them to be used
across the company and is a good way to standardize specific as-
semblies of elements.

Phil Russo began with AutoCAD version 2.5 in


1986. Through the years, he has held positions in
the CAD industry as CAD draftsman, CAD man-
ager, applications engineer, and Autodesk Certi-
fied Instructor. Lately Phil’s focus has been on the
development and implementation of standard
practices for the Autodesk Revit product line in-
cluding Revit Architecture, Revit Structure, and Revit MEP. He cur-
rently works at Lindemann Bentzon Bojack, an architectural and
engineering firm located in Clermont, Florida. He can be reached at
philr@lbbe.com.
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AUTODESK REVIT

Schedules
For Life
Schedules are one of the stronger and type, and worry about finishes and materi- erties. Then using key schedules, you can
most versatile features in Autodesk® als later. Moreover, you may not have all enter predefine information for the prop-
Revit®. Schedules provide tabular views the parameters created in each door fam- erties values.
of element properties that can be grouped ily that you actually want to show in the
and organizeed as needed. Schedules can door schedule. This is where the schedule Key schedules
also provide the means of using project comes to the rescue. You can add fields to a A key schedule is nothing more than a
data for performing calculations. door schedule that will show as door prop- schedule that you define. This schedule
As we will see in this article, Revit
schedules can significantly reduce time
and effort when entering values to ele-
ments with similar properties. They allow
you to generate analytical information that
goes beyond simple element lists. For ex-
ample, from an area plan, you can create
a schedule to not only list the properties
of the area objects such as square footage,
but also to use that information to perform
occupancy and egress calculations for
life safety.
Let’s use a simple example of a door
schedule. From the door elements you
would extract properties such as width,
height, mark number, fire rating, location,
and so on. You could spend the time to en-
ter the door material and finish informa-
tion for each door when inserted.
Alternatively, you could create door
families with all the finish and material in-
formation already in them. But let’s face it,
more often than not you just want to sim- Figure 1: Schedule key
ply insert a door based on its size and/or

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has a property called “Parameter name,” field values will be entered based on the
which becomes a key that will link the in- selected key value.
formation in it to a component schedule Revit schedules
Schedules for life safety
(see Figure 1).
You can create these key schedules to So far we have touched on how sched- can significantly
predefine information you would like to
use in another schedule to fill in field val-
ules and key schedules work together, but
let’s look at a real example. The following reduce time
ues automatically. A key schedule is cre-
ated like a regular component schedule.
example is a schedule for calculating oc-
cupancy and egress in a hospital building. and effort when
Once a category is selected, the option
to make the schedule a key schedule be-
The building code information for this
example is based on the Florida Building entering values
comes active. Revit automatically gener-
ates the name for the schedule key or
Code 2007 (FBC2007).
This schedule uses area objects to cre-
to elements
parameter name (Figure 2), which can be
changed later.
ate fire compartments for which we want
to calculate occupancy loads and egress ca-
with similar
After you click OK, the Schedule Prop-
erties window will open with one param-
pacity. First, a gross building area plan was
created from a plan view. When creating
properties.
eter created called Key Name. You can an area plan using the gross building op-
create additional parameters as needed tion, allow Revit to automatically generate area fields from the Available Fields list
into the Schedule fields list. Click OK to
exit the window and you will see a simple
table listing the defined areas and their
square footages.
To calculate the occupancy load, we
need to refer to the building code because
occupancy loads are based on the area us-
age. This is where a key schedule comes
in handy. The occupancy load factors for
each area type can be predefined in a key
schedule so that a type can be assigned to
each of the created areas. In this case, I
basically copied the information on Table
1004.1.1 from FBC2007 into a key sched-
ule. I called the key “Space Function” and
created two additional fields called “Area
per occupant”, to enter the square footage
per occupant, and “Area Unit” to classify
the square footage gross or net.
Once I created the key schedule, I add-
ed its fields to the area schedule (Figure
3). With all this information we can now
create a calculated parameter to deter-
Figure 2: Select option to create a schedule key
mine the occupancy load.

to predefine any information you want to the boundary


have entered automatically in your compo- lines around
nent schedule. the perimeter
Continuing with the door key schedule of the build-
example, we can create fields for door ma- ing—it makes
terial and finish, frame material and fin- this task easi-
ish, glazing material, hardware set, and so er. Then cre-
on. The key could indicate the door style ate boundary
number or letter generating a schedule of lines to define
door styles. Rows in the schedule are cre- the separa-
ated by clicking the New Row button in tion between
the context Ribbon bar or the right-click compart-
context menu. ments.
To link the key to a component sched- From the
ule, you add the key and the other fields View menu Figure 3: Add fields from key schedule.
from the key schedule as fields in the we can cre-
schedule properties window. Select a cell ate a schedule for area components. Se- In the Calculated Value window, a sim-
in the schedule key column to display a list lect “Areas (Gross Building)” from the ple formula can be used to divide the com-
of values from the schedule key, allowing category list. In the Schedule Properties ponent’s Area parameter value by the Area
you to make a selection. Then all the other window, move the number, name, and per Occupant value from the key sched-

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putation. For this example the need to add a shared parameter to each
value “Institutional: 1-2" was as- door family to hold the clear width for that
signed to each of the areas to get door type. The formulas for some door
the correct multipliers. families are somewhat different depend-
At this point we need to create ing on whether the door is single or dou-
calculated parameters that will ble, double egress, sliding, and so on. For
multiply the occupant load value example, for a single flush door the clear
by the key generated multiplier width calculation is: ((Width - (Thickness
values in order to compute the + Stop Width)) / 1' * 12) - 0.49. In the for-
required stair and horizontal exit mula the result from the parameter arith-
widths. The value from the Oc- metic is divided by 1’ to convert from units
cupant Load field is multiplied of length to numbers and multiplied by 12
by the key generated multiplier to get the value in inches. Then 0.49 was
for horizontal exits, resulting in subtracted to round off to the lower inch.
the required horizontal width for Next, two additional parameters are
Figure 4: Formula using parameters. that area or compartment. The needed in the door schedule (which can
formula reads: Occupant Load * be hidden later)—a text field to associate
ule (Figure 4). The names of parameters Multp HzExit wSprinker where each door with the corresponding building
in a formula are case sensitive; therefore, Multp HzExit wSprinkler is the parameter compartment (by typing the compartment
they must be exactly the same as the field name for the horizontal exit multiplier for name or number as the field value), and
names. a structure with sprinklers. The formula a yes/no field to classify whether the door
Now the area schedule includes a key needed to calculate the required stair is an egress. That way you can isolate the
to select the area function and determine width needs a little more thought. egress doors in a separate door schedule
the occupant load factor. That value is According to the Code, there is a mini- that totals all the door widths for each of
then used to calculate the occupant load as mum stair width required for I-2 class the compartments.
shown in Figure 5. structures. Therefore, a decision state- Once you have those totals, you can en-
ter them in the area schedule
to compute the provided stair
and horizontal exit capac-
ity. The provided stair capac-
ity, the horizontal exit capac-
ity, and the total exit capacity
fields are all calculated values
that will be added to the area
schedule:
• Stair Capacity: Stair
Width Provided * Multp Stair
Figure 5: Schedule with key. wSprinkler
• Horizontal Exit Ca-
ment had to be added to the formula to pacity: HzExit Provided / Multp
The “Area per occupant” and “Area determine if the resulting value of the cal- HzExit wSprinker
unit” fields are shown in this example for culation was less than the width required • Total Exit Capacity: HzCapacity
clarification, but these fields can be hidden by code. The formula reads: Provided + VrCapacity Provided
if desired. Notice the list that the key gen- if((Occupant Load * Multp Stair where HzCapacity Provided is the total
erated. The values in the “next to” fields wSprinkler) < 44, 44, (Occupant Load * horizontal exit capacity and VrCapacity
were entered automatically from the key Multp Stair wSprinkler) where Multp Stair Provided is the total stair width capacity.
schedule based on the selected value in wSprinkler is the parameter name for the The solution shown in this article for
the key field. The format of the number stair width multiplier for a structure with calculating loads and egress may not solve
in the Occupant Load field can be modi- sprinklers. This means that if the result every building scenario—particularly on
fied in the Formatting tab of the Schedule of the calculation of the two parameters very complex buildings—but it will give
Properties window. is less than 44 inches, then the value for you a rough idea of what the life safety re-
The rest of the schedule uses the same the cell will be 44; otherwise use the re- quirements are at a very early stage in your
basic principle. Use a key schedule to en- sulting value from the calculation of the design process.
ter information that needs to be used in a two parameters. A similar formula would
selection to populate field values. be needed to compute the required stair Felix M. Gonzalez is the
To calculate the horizontal egress capac- door width. CAD Manager and Medi-
ity another key schedule was necessary. To calculate the provided horizontal exit cal Equipment Planner for
Table 1005.1 from FBC2007 contains the width, there are a few things that need to HuntonBrady Architects,
egress multipliers required for calculat- be done if we want to extract that informa- PA. in Orlando, Florida.
ing the egress width required according tion from the model. You may elect to just He has a bachelor’s degree
to the occupant load of the area. As shown add up the clear widths of all egress doors in computer program-
before, the fields of the Multipliers key and enter them in a schedule field. ming and has been working with Autodesk
schedule are added to the area schedule in On the other hand, if you want the mod- products for 20 years. Felix can be contacted
order to use the selected values for com- el to provide this information, you would at fgonzalez@huntonbrady.com.

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AutoCAD Civil 3D

Civil 3D –
How Do
You Use It?
At the onset of my training and consult-
ing career, a good friend once said, “Peo-
ple use the application in ways you never
envisioned.” Since then, I have always
been aware of the fact that people across
the globe approach things differently due
to culture and environmental limitations.
So I find it important to ask people about
the arena in which they work, and how
they use their design application.
No matter where users are from, they
will usually find that AutoCAD Civil 3D:
• makes design data easier to establish
• enables faster changes and revisions
• produces more accurate results in a flex-
ible manner
• interacts with other platforms that are of
a focused interest
Oh, and there’s this item, inspired by
the Civil Diva: “I use Civil 3D because it’s
sexy!” This hasn’t come up in any conversa-
tions yet, but I’m still hoping it will.
I started asking “How do you use Civil
development arenas are starting to make on new ways to make better use of the ap-
3D” at Autodesk University (AU) and have
a greater impact, and we get to hear more plication’s power in that industry.
posted requests for insight from around
and more from those companies involved.
the world. This led to some interesting
conversations and a few new friendships.
Take, for example, Chris Thorn of Scott A look inside
Wilson Group, who uses Civil 3D to pre- What may not be obvious is that 20 per-
Here’s a sample of what I found.
pare sites for wind farming in Wales. The cent are consistently more productive with
scope of wind engineering moves beyond the application. Those are the users that
The big picture – who is the site development into research and see the tools inside as just that: tools. They
using Civil 3D? analysis. Mark Peterson works for CPP are always pushing forward with new ideas
It should be no surprise that it’s 80-20 Wind where employees use the applica- and trying techniques that might seem odd
(and, yes, we have an 80-20 ratio for ev- tion for creating physical models of terrain to most. “This program can do almost any-
erything). It seems that 80 percent of the for analysis in wind tunnels. (That one took thing you can imagine,” says Andy Whaley
people use the application for residential, me by surprise.) of Frederick Ward Associates in Maryland.
commercial, and industrial site design. While at AU, I got some detailed infor- “I try to tell the users in our company that
The remaining 20 percent include those mation on 3D modeling in the mining in- the imagination is the only limitation of
performing geotechnical, geological, infra- dustry. David Sledd of SleddCad Services this software.”
structure, mining, research, general-pur- in Colorado, explained how Civil 3D was The majority of the industry centers
pose, and others tasks that don’t make a currently used to coordinate mining. He its application on Corridors. The robust
lot of noise. Energy, geospatial, and green was at AU trying to get some perspective nature and capability of the Corridor cre-

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leading into and exiting the corridors.
While we don’t all see them as a driving
force, they are the most common object
interaction in Civil 3D.”
Surfaces are used not only for leveraging
other tools and displaying contours, but
for watershed delineation as well. Send-
ing the watershed analysis over to Parcels
is something I picked up at Autodesk Uni-
versity a few years ago. Combine this with
map functionality and you have a powerful
platform from which to design. Map over-
lays with watersheds and Parcels allow for
rapidly performed drainage studies. “Not
only did I analyze the drainage area, all
the area calculations left me with a drafted
DA map,“ comments Andy Whaley about a
250-acre drainage study. “I did it so quick,
I took the afternoon off.”
Map functionality is popular worldwide
and bridges the gap between the geospa-
tial and civil crowds. GIS object interac-
tion is quite powerful and anyone who has
ates a springboard from which numerous taken the time to use the tools undoubted-
things such as FG surfaces drive or guide ly runs to them when a suitable need aris-
the remainder of the design. es. I remember being asked to develop an
The defined intent for the use of the cor- impact study for the access road of a very
ridor tool has blurred tremendously. Lever- large residential development. Map que-
aging its power and flexibility has become ries overlaying
quite popular. I don’t remember who de- the GIS parcels
cided to use corridors to replace unstable onto the Corri-
gradings initially, but that guy (or gal) de- dor daylighting.
serves a raise. Custom tools
Here at GCT, we have used them ex- embedded the
tensively to model the edge of bermed up map data to the
parking areas and non-linear cut and fill impact regions,
regions that feature lines and gradings just and collected
can’t handle. They perform flawlessly in this the data to a
capacity. The same alignments are being spreadsheet
used to design geo-grid walls. That is a slick that the permit
idea. I love this job. department
Material calculations are a big concern used to per-
everywhere. Chris Thorn develops borrow form its mail
pits and Crane hardstands for windmill out notifications that included the Owner
installation using Corridors. Using elevat- Name, Address, Parcel identification, and
ed feature lines to create alignment and This provides me as engineer, near instant how much area was proposed to be im-
profiles, the corridor is created, and the feedback on the impact to the floodplain pacted.
resulting FG surface is netted against the during design,” he says. Since writing the BIM article recently,
EG surface. The material quantities there Tunnels are not something that comes I have had a few discussions with various
are then referenced to the quarry for exca- up often, but I perk up when I hear about people that were quite interested in Civil
vation, using yet another corridor. them. Let’s face it, it’s a cool topic. Sean 3D and its Revit object interaction. I for
Matt Anderson of JAS Engineering in Twomey of New Zealand has provided one am looking forward to how this may
Illinois is a veteran Civil 3D user working some good reads on Corridors used for affect workflow throughout the world.
in the site preparation arena like most of tunnels. Speaking of New Zealand, there
us. Using Cross Sections to develop mate- was a rumor that 30 percent of the people
We could use some
rial calculations is at the top of his tool list. at AU were from the Australia/New Zea- improvement
“Cross-sections are an easily overlooked, land region. I believe it because 30 percent Globally, our separate cultures create
but extremely powerful tool to document of the people I spoke with had really cool boundaries and make for completely dif-
you earthwork, material, or floodplain accents! ferent ways of life. While these differences
quantities.    What I love about cross- Long-time Civil3DReminders blog- often divide us, there are some common
section is being able to model a complex ger and Californian Christopher Fugitt is issues that bind us together. For example,
floodplain, analyze it, and present cross- a programmer with a focus on surfaces. men’s and women’s struggle to commu-
sections with material tabulations with Civ- “While corridors are one of the leading nicate and those particular Civil 3D tools
il 3D very early on in the design process.  factors shaping a design, we use surfaces that we really wish would be cleaned up.

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and contractor.”
HRG’s Mark Spatz utilizes corridor
modeling, pipe networks, and grading
functionality for site construction of new
buildings, roads, and utilities.
“Corridor Modeling is my favorite,”
he says. “Modeling forcemain, water-
line, stream restoration, and pond berms
with the Corridor tools. Changing sew-
er line sizes for an entire system in 10
minutes and having it update all the
plan view, profile linework, labels, notes,
and tables automatically—all in sepa-
rate drawings.” Mark adds, “I think I ini-
tially learned of the concept at AU.  We
have used this technique for about six
months now.”
While many would argue that pipe net-
works are designed for this purpose, pipes
won’t model a Forcemain through a verti-
cal curve.

While Parcels are being used in differ- of-the-ordinary uses and ways to apply Final comments
ent ways, there are some reservations to AutoCAD Civil 3D. While I’d like to say I AutoCAD Civil 3D is one fine lady.
their employment. “…Parcels don’t lend appreciate one over another, I decided to A super-powerful, “sexy” platform that
themselves to a good work flow,” com- let you all do that for yourselves. takes patience, understanding, and a plan
ments Mark Spatz, civil engineer at HRG. When I say off the beaten path, that works well within certain boundaries.
“You tend to have a layering issue/night- one cat really took it seriously. Steve Some of the limitations we all just have to
mare since all the parcels are one object Boon wrote about 40km of ice road figure out the hard way.
type and are placed on the same object lay- across the tundra with some unusual As we search for ways to use energy
er by default.” I agree in some cases. The design requirements. more efficiently and to pursue the next
parcel labeling is wonderful, but you have “This road would have to be built and challenge, I look forward to more interac-
to really be on task to effectively deal with then used over a single winter, and no tion among people from around the world.
parcel layers. You have to own them, or construction equipment or vehicle using It’s not that I feel we should all be “glob-
they will own you. It’s a bittersweet issue. the road could ever disturb the surface ally minded.” Rather, it’s that being intro-
But their organizational capability keeps of the ground. All of the road would have duced to diverse ways of thinking provides
me coming back for more. to be built from compacted snow and ice insights into solutions that were not appar-
Gradings are on the list. No shocked fac- “mined” from the surface of frozen lakes. ent before.
es in this crowd. These are really awesome No excavation meant that there would be I look forward to receiving more of your
tools, but they are designed to be dynamic no gravel or sand available for traction so uses of AutoCAD Civil 3D and its tools.
and autonomous. Once in place, you are the client required a maximum profile Feel free to email me with yours. Who
supposed to be able to forget them. Un- grade of 2 percent. The whole region is a knows? It may end up as the topic of my
fortunately, if something gives out during maze of lakes and creeks which could not next article.
a design change, the gradings are suspect be crossed due to the weight of the loads John Evans is an Autodesk
first. They just can’t handle any complex being moved so we had to chase the ex- Civil 3D and Inventor Cer-
configurations. isting ground contours all over the region tified Professional. John
Ron Couillard at CadSoft talked about searching for a route that could be con- works as a CAD manager
some methodology to manage the complex- structed using fill only.” for a Civil Engineering
ity issues and get better control and stability Any time you can mix Civil 3D firm in the Florida pan-
with these, but they are still somewhat frag- and CNC, you have my attention. Mark
handle and has been in-
ile. Most users will either use the resulting Peterson piques my interest with his of-
volved in Civil Engineering since he started
daylight and discard the grading object, or fering: “Creating a TIN surface for an
in the field in 1992. A troubleshooting con-
avoid them all together. entire Hawaiian island, then exporting
sultant for Civil 3D and Inventor with a large
Some other areas cited for improvement it to a CNC Router to manufacture a
background in Civil Engineering, aviation,
were pipe networks, in which several users physical model.”
noted the need for more development, and Matt Anderson wrote about a quantity and manufacturing, he writes solution arti-
the hydrology tools’ interface. The lack of dispute between owner and excavator: cles on the blog “From Civil to inventor.”
visualization tools was mentioned, but re- “… They wanted the cut and fills vol- John is a contributing author on Web-based
cent tools acquired by Autodesk might umes gridded into a small grid. In a short training and courseware development at
help fix that. amount of time, I took Civil 3D, did the Tekni Consulting LLC. A new book, Creative
comparison surfaces, parceled out the few Design with Autodesk Inventor, is current-
How far off the beaten path hundred little parcels, and created a multi- ly in production for late fall 2009 delivery.
do you go? ple parcel output volume report to Excel. I He can be reached by email at:
I asked everyone to post some out- added some color and dazzled both owner civil2inventor@cox.net

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AUTODESK REVIT MEP

Creating a Revit MEP


Fire Alarm Family
Truly reaping the benefits of creating Family maintenance and standard disciplines and sub-disciplines as
Autodesk® Revit® families takes a complete shown in the table below.
understanding of the family’s uses, model-
naming conventions
Having a plan on how to store families
ing, parameters, tagging, and scheduling. Disciplines
on a network drive is important. Consider
This tutorial will step through standard M Mechanical T Technology
that most MEP consultants will work for
practices for creating a Revit MEP fire E Electrical
multiple architectural clients. This means
alarm family and hopefully enlighten you
that multiple versions of Revit products
on the major parts of family creation. This Sub Disciplines
may be required for different projects
example can be used to build other types of Hv HVAC Sc Security
with different clients. Because Revit is
families for power, data, security, and hospi- Li Lighting Pl Plumbing
not backwards-compatible, these files will
tal, to name a few. Tc Telecom Fa Fire Alarm
need to be kept separate and modular for
Before starting a new family, carefully Pi Piping AV Audiovisual
ease of upgrading. Figure 2 shows how
consider the best way to group similar de- Po Power
Acme Engineers handled this problem.
vices. In this example, a fire alarm device
family is created. Contained in this family Create a 3D
are three types of wall-mounted fire alarm model
devices, as shown in Figure 1 below. Revit Families can
be created by pick-
Strobe Light ing New from the
application browser
and then Family,
Wall Speaker and finally selecting
an appropriate tem-
plate. For this exam-
Speaker / Strobe Light Figure 2 ple, select Generic
Model Face Based.
Figure 1 The 2010 Imperial Library has Acme rft template. Face-based families will stick
folders underneath which are broken down to walls like wall-based, but they do not
There can be a temptation to include need the wall to be present in order to ex-
into disciplines and sub-disciplines. Each
ceiling-mounted versions of these devices ist. It would be counter- productive to lose
sub-discipline has a folder just for the an-
in this family, but ceiling- and wall-mount- devices every time a wall is deleted.
notation symbols required for the parent
ed devices must be created in separate In the reference level of the template,
folder. There is also a folder for the 2009
families because they have different orien- use the reference plane tool to create two
Imperial library with the same structure.
tations to the hosting face.  concentric boxes with reference planes
When new versions of Revit MEP come
Before creating a family with multiple around the origin defined by the refer-
on line, the previous Acme families can
types, it pays to think about which devices ence planes that came with the template,
be copied up to the new Imperial Library
to group in a family. This will likely be dif- as shown in Figure 3.
and users will have a consistent structure
ferent than the way they were grouped in
to find company content.
AutoCAD®.
Having a good naming convention for
This family comprises two main parts:
families can make or break the users’ abil-
annotation line work and modeled solids.
ity to find and identify needed families.
The model view or 3D components are
Acme Engineers would name this example
created directly in the RFA file containing
family E-Fa Device Wall.rfa.
the family. The symbology for the three
This naming convention uses the CSI
types of devices (2D components) will
layering convention as a basis and works
be created as an annotation symbols and
well for keeping families sorted and search-
linked into the main RFA file. This allows
able. The first letter defines a discipline,
the symbol on plans to grow and shrink
followed by a two-letter sub-discipline,
based on the scale of the view, while the
and finished with a descriptor. Define
model portion of the family will not. Figure 3

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Use dimensions to constrain the refer- The offset determines how thick the ex-
ence planes as shown in Figure 4. The out- trusion will be; set it to 1/4". This will pro-
side box is 6"x6" and the inside box is 1"x4". duce a box that barely comes off the wall.
When done, click the Finish Extrusion
tool found near the end of the Ribbon. Re-
peat this process to make the raised light
portion. This time set the offset to 1 ¼".
The result should look like the image in
Figure 11.

Figure 7

Use the Types tool on the Ribbon to


open the Family Types dialog. Here, the
Half dimensions can be constrained with
Figure 4 formulas as shown in Figure 8. Parameters Figure 11
are case sensitive, so care should be taken
Next, label the dimensions so they can
when using them in formulas.
be used as parameters. Do this by select- To add a bit of realism, model text can
ing a dimension and using the Label tool be added to the front face of the box. To
on the options bar and pick <Add param- do this, go to a 3D view, use the Set tool on
eter…>. See Figure 5. the Create tab of the Ribbon to select the
front face of the box as the current work
plane, then select the Model Text tool on
the same tab to add the word “Fire.” Use
the element properties of the model text to
control its size and depth to fit as needed
(see Figure 12).
Figure 5 Figure 8

Now it is time to add solids for the 3D


This will open the Parameter Properties
elements. On the Create tab of the Rib-
dialog. Since this dimension will not be
bon, pick the Solid tool and then pick Ex-
needed in a schedule, use a family param-
trusion (see Figure 9).
eter type. Give the parameter a name that
will identify it well and not conflict with
Use the lines
other parameter names in the family. The
tool and follow the
group option identifies where this param-
reference planes
eter will show in the element properties Figure 12
set up for the box
dialog. In this example, (Figure 6) group
and lock them
them under Constraints. Finally, make
to the planes by
them instance type parameters so they can An electrical connector should be add-
clicking on the
be changed on the fly without effecting ed to allow Revit to connect the device
padlock symbols
other instances in the model. to a fire alarm system. Use the Electrical
that appear (Fig-
Connector tool on the Create tab of the
ure 10).
Ribbon. Change the system type to Fire
Alarm using the pull down on the options
Figure 9 bar and place the connector on the work
plane face of the box (Figure 13).

Figure 6

Label the remainder of the dimensions


as shown in Figure 7. The half-dimensions
are used to keep the reference plane boxes Figure 12
centered on the origin defining planes.
Figure 10

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Create annotation symbols 2. Click on the tiny blank
button to the right of the Vis-
for each family type ible instance parameter (see
This family will contain a FA Strobe, a
Figure 20).
FA Wall Speaker, and a combination FA
3. This will invoke the
Speaker/Strobe. 2D symbology for each of
Associate Family Parameter
these will be created as annotation symbols.
Figure 17 dialog. Select the appropri-
Revit annotation symbols can be cre-
ate parameter and pick OK,
ated by picking New from the application
then repeat for each anno-
browser and then Annotation Symbol, and 5. A parameter must be created for tation symbol for each fam-
finally selecting an appropriate template. each family type. Invoke the Pa- ily type. This process connects the
For this example, select Generic Annota- rameter Properties dialog by se- visibility of the annotation symbol
tion.rft. In this template is a note telling lecting the Add button in the Fam- with the correct family type.
the user to select the correct family cat- ily Types dialog.
egory before use. The category is already
 Save and load into a new project to flex
set to generic annotation, so the note can
the family.
simply be deleted. Use the Line tool to
create the FA Speaker symbol shown in
Figure 14.
Adding shared parameters
In AutoCAD, attributes are used to at-
Figure 18 tach information to blocks. Revit uses pa-
rameters for tagging and scheduling. These
6. Create the Strobe parameter as parameters come in two types—family pa-
shown in Figure 19. Repeat for rameters and shared parameters. Family
Speaker and Speaker/Strobe. En- parameters will not show in schedules or
Figure 14 sure the parameters are grouped tags. A family parameter has been used to
under Graphics and Yes/No and dictate what type of FA device is shown in
When finished, save the family and use Type parameters are selected. this example. A shared parameter can be
the Load Into Project tool on the Create tab
used in schedules and tags
of the Ribbon to load it into E-Fa Device
and will be required to tag
Wall.rfa. Next save as to create the sym-
this family with mounting
bology for the FA Strobe and FA Speaker/
height or strobe candela
Strobe annotation symbols (Figure 15).
information. Follow the
step below to add shared
parameters.
  Open E-Fa Device
Wall.rfa.
1. Select Family Types on
the Ribbon. The Family
Types dialog appears.
2. Pick the ADD button
Figure 15 under Parameters. The
Parameter Properties dia-
Add annotation types to log appears.
the RFA family 3. Select Shared param-
1. Open E-Fa Device Wall.rfa. eter then pick the ‘Select’
2. Use the Symbol tool to place each button.
of the three annotation symbols 4. In the Shared Param-
just created. Figure 19 eters dialog select Edit. 
3. Use the Family Types tool in the 5. Create a new group by
clicking on Edit in the Edit Shared
Associate annotation parameters dialog.
graphics with parameters 6. Name the new group Fire Alarm. 
1. Select one of the annotation sym- 7. Pick New under the Parameters
bols in E-Fa Device wall.rfa using group to create a new parameter
the tab key if necessary and open grouped under Fire Alarm. 
its properties.
Figure 16

Design bar to invoke the Family


Types dialog.
4. Select the New button shown be-
low and name three new types;
Strobe, Speaker, and Speaker/
Strobe.
Figure 20

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8. Add a text type param- 1. Click New then Family from the 6. Repeat steps 2-5 for the Strobe
eter for Mounting Height in the application browser and then An- candela parameter.
Common discipline. notation Symbol. The New dialog 7. Add these parameters to the label
9. Repeat for Strobe Candela. Select opens; select the Fire Alarm De- with the green add button, shown
OK. vice Tag.rft template to open the below.
Family Editor. You must use
this template to associate
this tag to fire alarm devices. 
2. Select the Label tool
on the Create tab of the Rib-
bon, and click in the draw-
ing area. The Select Param-
eter dialog opens.
8. Tags can be added to projects by
selecting the Tags button on the
Options bar when the Tag by Cat-
Figure 21 egory tool is in use.

10. Switch the parameter group to Fire


Alarm. In the Shared Parameters
dialog pick Mounting Height. Pick 3. Click Add to open the Parameter
OK to add the Mounting Height Properties dialog. The information in this article takes
parameter to this family.  4. Click the Select button to open the you through family concepts to model-
11. Ensure that Instance is selected Shared Parameters dialog. ing, adding connectors, annotation sym-
in the Parameter Prop- bols, shared parameters, and tagging. This
erties dialog. This will roadmap can be used to produce the Revit
enable each instance MEP families that most firms need to take
of this family to have full advantage of Autodesk Revit MEP.
a different Mounting
Height.  Todd Shackelford is an ap-
12. Repeat for Strobe Can- plications engineer work-
dela. Select OK to close ing for Avatech Solutions.
the dialog. Todd is an ADT Certified
Expert who has provided
Create a Tag support for MEP and
The tag for this fire alarm device needs 5. Select Mounting Height and select structural consultants for
to display one or both of the two parame- OK three (3) times to exit each dia- 11 years. You can contact him at todd.shack-
ters created above. The steps to create this log. elford@avatechsolutions.com.
tag are shown below. 

M a r/A p r 2 0 1 0 37

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