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About marking HAZOP nodes, a lot of time could be saved during HAZOP
studies if this is done in advance, whereever possible. What is the experience
of group members? Lisa Vedin and Francis
11 days ago Arulanandam commented on:
About marking HAZOP nodes, a lot
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of time could be saved during
HAZOP studies if this is done in
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vu hoang vo • That's right! It is normal practice that the PHA/HAZOP facilitator and/or a full team is certainly not
Scribe will devide the system into nodes (and should be confirmed by process engineer) recommended however it is preferred
and marking HAZOP nodes before performing the HAZOP workshop. to have the same HAZOP Chair with
a Process and...
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Jeremy Goldbloom • That is also my experience. It assumes that the facilitator is
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reasonably knowledgable in the technology of the system(s) to be Hazoped.
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Don Lorenzo, PE • Of course being prepared saves time in the meeting, and I highly Recycling Machinery
advocate it. The team is not expert in defining nodes - that is the facilitator's responsibility.
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I always work with the technical expert to define nodes ahead of the HAZOP meeting.
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Occasionally we will learn something during the meeting that makes me add or delete a
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node, but that is simple to do. However it is much easier to delete or combine nodes
during a meeting than to add them. So in my preparation, if I have any doubt, I will err on Learn More »
the side of marking additional nodes and eliminate any that prove unnecessary during the
meeting.
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William Bridges • If you are using the parametric deivation analysis form of HAZOP (the
form of HAZOP that applies to continuous mode of a continuous flow process), then
sectioning into nodes ahead of time is always best. Note that there is also the need to Bill Timbers, HAZOP PEng PE MCIC PMgpm
analysis non-continuous of operation (startup, shutdown, online maintenance) and What-If FMEA

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and/or a streamlined version of HAZOP of steps (the original form of HAZOP) is best for
this. See the follow paper (free) for more hints on how to optimize process hazard
analyses, including those that use HAZOP: William Bridges

"http://www.process-improvement-institute.com/_downloads/Optimizing PHA-HAZOP and

While Maximizing Brainstorming.pdf"
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This paper is based on experience (and experiments) during more than 10,000
PHA/HAZOPs.
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Willie Schlechter • HAZOP studies that we are doing here in Kuwait ALWAYS have a
time constraint attached to them. That is the reason why we do NOT perform any HAZOP
sessions without proper preparation time. We have dedicated sessions with the Design
Engineers which vary between 4 hours and two days where i) the SOW/Process Design
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Basis is explained in detail for the benefit of the HAZOP Chairman, ii) the P&ID's are Director
examined to verify the Revision, iii) the process parameters and guide words are agreed Manager
upon, and iv) the nodes are discussed and marked on a master set of P&ID's and on Entry
Computer. What is also important is to agree exactly what is being HAZOP'ed and where
the "new" system/process ends and the "existing" system/process starts, so that no "new"
deviations are being created which might have effect on the existing process. MEMBERS

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Kaushik Karn • Marking nodes in advance is always productive during session. Recently I View Group Statistics »
worked on a project as a secretary in which I marked nodes earlier with communication
with Chairman, but we can say it was a bit different case, the project proponent has
 already carried out hazop for the whole plant, but they want to increse the production so
we have to decide the units/facility of the plant which need to be rehazoped wrt to
increment in production and out of some 70 odd P&Is, we chosen some 15 P&Is and
marked the nodes to be discussed during session.
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Edmond Baruque • The HAZOP team will appreciate very much sectioning in nodes
ahead of time. If using specialized software, you may also pre-populate the information
about equipment and drawing numbers. This will help the members of the team to focus
into their expertise and not waisting time in the mechanics of the technique. That is one of
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the key objectives of our work as facilitators
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Denis Robin • As facilitator, I prepare and record the nodes of the process to be analyzed
in advance only if I know the team that will participate in this analysis. In other words, if I
have done before other analysis with the same team.
Indeed, the complexity of nodes we can suggest to the team depends on the experience
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of this team with the HAZOP method, knowledge of the process to analyze, etc.
My point of view is that the facilitator suggests the nodes, so het can/must prepare them,
but they must be approved by the team during the analyse.
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William Bridges • Me and staff I have worked with or managed have led approx 10,000
PHAs/HAZOPs (large HAZOPs). We rarely (less than 20%) know the team members
ahead of time. For the PHA of continuous mode of operation (using parametric deviation
analysis form of HAZOP) we always fully section into nodes ahead of time. Then, during
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the course of the meetings, we change 1-5% of the sections/nodes based on input from
the team. Sectioning ahead of the meetings saves time in the meetings in more than one
way: (1) it saves the members from having to section and (2) it allows the leader/scribe to
have the worksheets ready to document at the opening of the meetings so that if a
discussion in the first node leads to an effect/consequence in another node, the
worksheets are available to document the conclusions.

In doing HAZOP or What-if of deviations from procedure steps, sectioning the procedures
ahead of time is a little more difficult; usually because the procedures are not as accurate
as P&IDs and also because it is not alwsy obvious if the step changes the state of the
system or is instead a safeguard step; regardless, we section the procedures ahead of
time as well.

Hope this helps.

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Chris Buehler • My experience has been that having the leader decide on nodes and
work with the scribe to pre-populate the worksheets with equipment information, etc.
reduces the meeting time required for the entire HAZOP team - basically what William
Bridges and others have indicated.
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Sarfraz Ali • Happy new year 2012;

Very good comments. I had some experience of HAZOP and now have IChemE HAZOP
Leader Training. One very significant benifit of defining Nodes in advance learned in
IChemE training was defination of Nodes will also define parameters involved to limit
deviations to be discussed to control HAZOP session time. Also it will boast confidence of
Leader and Facilitator. Worth mentioning here nodes defination must be done with full
involvement of Process design Engineer never at your own end because you don't know
exact design intent; major base node. Thanks
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William Bridges • We always defined deviations at the same time as the nodes; with no
involvement of the process engineers. Some deivations will be NA and some will be not.
Some will be No Consequence of Interst and some will not. The Node types (lines, vessel,
tank, reactor, step in procedrue, etc.) are all known so the possible deviations are also
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known. No mystery there. So, do the nodes and of course deviations ahead of time. DO
NOT fill in the data on consequences, causes, etc., ahead of time,even if you think you
know the answers... the brainstorming of the multi-disciplinary team during the meetings is
needed for that.
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Ochuko Emetovweke • It is always advisable to do node selection prior to the HAZOP

proper and it is the responsibility of the chairman to do that. Node selection can be done in
conjuction with some of the members of the project owners. Apart from node selection, it
is also advisable to for the chairman to fill in some of the guide words using the required
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HAZOP report sheet. The node selected selected will be review during the HAZOP proper
and might be modified depending on the time frame and scope of the HAZOP study. For
most HAZOP studies I have attended, nodes selected by the chairman by the chairman
are always adopted and at time combined to buy time.
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 Francis Arulanandam • Node selection and pre-populating of nodes in advace certainly
helps a lot to save time provided the participants are familiar with the methodology. This is
also been my experience as Chairman where fast-track projects are challenged on the
schedule. Process Engineer needs to spend extra time with the Chairman to carry out this
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task in advance, which is acceptable while traying to save other participants time.
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Lisa Vedin • We (Hazop leader + process engineer) often prepare the node selection prior
to the Hazop study. We also prepare the minutes from the study regarding the nodes and
makes the minutes during the sessions. In this case we are more effective during the
meeting and we save valuable time which we instead can use in a better way during the
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hazop. The Hazop group members also appreciate if the nodes are prepared before hand.
I have noticed many times in the cases we haven't prepare some frustration in the group
which can result in more non-focused members. In general people think hazard study
sessions is tough meetings and if you can make them easier you should prepare it as
much as you can!
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