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CONTENTS
Notes 140
Refill? Further Reading and Appreciation 141
Index 142
Foreword fey JULIAN BARNES
161
a balloon across the Atlantic, a cricketer becomes
[8]
age.” This—to my non-specialist eye—seems alas
[9]
INTRODUCTION
his work and his thought did not die. He is in that way
[10]
Christian Church, and it became the foundation of
star tick, what hopes and ambitions mark out the life
sympathetic imagination.
the fields and who kept the house. Even the poorest
Olympic Games.
[14]
slaughtered beasts were offered, strangely
Greek-speaking world.
[17]
after the education of the royal son. The prince was
he was twenty.
[19]
connections were not a secret, prudently retired
goes for his looks goes also for his character and his
[26]
Aristotle, you are—so people say—the most eminent
with your public life? For you have also been a public
figure.
[?8]
nothing. True, some people say that I nurtured his
[3 o]
grandparents had killed Socrates, and I didn’t want
[ 31 ]
of government. Philip was absolute monarch in
[3M
have stamped his elegant little foot. But cared? Why
But you were not just a man of words. You once said that
Ufe?
activities.
[33]
a metic, in their unlovely jargon. I couldn’t stand for
lectures on Ethics?
[34]
I explained to them that politics is a perfectly
years.
[36]
Plato must have been a dominating figure. He must have
[37]
But Plato was the central figure, and—for you at
[38]
decided (God knows why) to give a public lecture.
The day came and the crowds flocked in, two or three
years.
[40]
they help bring to birth the thoughts their pupils
have conceived.
[41I
rhetoric, and his question was this: Is there a science
Rhetoric?
seriously.
[43]
in order to speak well, you need to have mastered
for your own man); finally, you must know how to put
[44]
LOGIC
[45]
Your work on rhetoric, then, was what led you to logic?
[46]
we’d become better thinkers if we practiced mental
put it.
U?]
theory behind the game. The basic idea was this. The
You said there was a third path that led you to logic?
[48]
weren’t playing games (like us young dialecticians),
"If two things are equal to the same thing then they
[49]
It was the same question as the one that dialectic
answer.
a universal science.
I don't quite see why you call logic a science—-if it's a tool
first couple are the axioms of logic, the rest are the
[51]
Don’t be put off by the As and Bs—here’s a concrete
moves was legitimate; and when you start out you can
be sure that you’ve got all the rules you need to get
eastern Greece?
indeed did I.
That’s not how Plato saw it, and it’s not how I see
sort them out into groups, and so on. But what really
First, they don't run off when you watch them in their
natural habitat: you can see how they move, how they
they dart about all the time. But if you’ve got good
[57]
What about plants—did you look at them, too?
other species?
of facts.
[60]
You were saying that zoologists want more than facts.
But why?
161 ]
Olive trees grow vertically—that’s their nature. But at
the coast you’ll see specimens that have been bent and
You can?
[6?]
lots of things without grasping their causes. I know
[63]
'Perhaps we know nothing at all.” "All knowledge is
[64]
People sometimes ask "What’s the cause of this?" and
water.
You use the word telos for the final cause, so that we
[66]
world is all mechanical, a matter of push and shove.
They’re wrong.
the words "in order to.’’ And how could any natural
[67]
POETRY
[68]
You were a scientist—and you were also a poet.
[69]
versifiers and morally uplifting hymn-writers? That
[7°]
ways. Remember the tragedy of Hecuba, Queen of
them, as I like to put it. When you take your seat in the
[71]
theater, you’re probably burdened—we all are—with
psychological emetic?
[731
a noble character who is undone by some unfortunate
[74]
DEMOCRACY
constitution?
You left your fish and your lagoon for Macedonia and
subject.
[76]
Well, then, where did your science lead you? You've said
good one.
Very ingenious.
[78]
You mean that when you have elections, and political
parties, and public debate, and all the rest of it, then
impracticable?
[79]
seem to inhabit another world from ours. But it’s
citizens?
[8 o]
My dear man, I sometimes wonder where you come
was like that until ten years ago. The biggest Greek
depend on Macedonia.
[81]
decided in any state—military questions, diplomatic
and not by the whole army, let alone by all the citizens.
[8?]
do—especially if the monarch is as idle as most
another matter.
for the state. They’re parts of the state, and the parts
[83]
SLAVERY
stomach.
[84]
You don't care for political liberty—and you've
[85]
their own lives. So we treat them, quite reasonably,
[86]
free man can’t be friends with a slave, any more
having children.
But you 've said that a slave is "a living tool "—isn ’t that
[87]
are your slaves. So too, when they’re young, are your
[88]
are constitutionally incapable of directing their own
posterity.
[89]
THE FEMALE OF THE SPECIES
[90]
Posterity will judge you wrong about slaves—and also,
sex (after all, you only need one sex for pleasure—
and animals have two); and it’s just as clear that sex
for example.
The what?
hermaphroditic.
different. (By the way, why are there are only two
* Editor’s note: the queen bee was universally thought to be the king until
the 16th centuiy, when it was discovered (in Spain) that the ruler of the
colony was female and produced all the other bees.
[94]
eunuch, so I know what I’m talking about—eunuchs
feminine?
[95]
males. That’s one of the chief differences between
[96]
ETHICS
[97]
You tried to teach Alexander some politics. You must
[98]
my Ethics had made perfectly clear—it’s utterly trivial.
too much and not too little. True advice—but not very
workers).
[100]
consistently acting upon, the excellences or virtues
the best form of human life. But not all of you are
[101]
There, in a nutshell, is my ethical theory—set
philosophy lecture.)
to act.
[103]
emotion involved in courage. We sometimes say
spite of it.
[ io3]
force yourself to act in the appropriately loving way
[104]
money, or in writing a poem, or in winning a crown
But what if, in the end, your young men really want not
uninterrupted pleasure ?
[105]
METAPHYSICS
[106]
The Ethics is one of your most renowned works. Another
[107]
their relations; abstract entities, such as numbers
colors exist all right; but they don’t exist in the same
[108]
Wait a minute. Some people might think that half what
you can eat and the bones you can grind up for bone-
[109]
and desires that make up a goat’s life). So isn’t it
and its body do. The goat, body and soul together, is
You've made your point. But can you say a little more
[no]
"Easy,” they answer: "everything.” Of course,
for decades.
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which exist quite separately from the ducks, and you
In?]
THE SOUL
[ix3]
Among the entities that your primary philosophy
Everyone?
[ 114 1
that breathing things have breath. Shame all languages
[116]
lump of stuff, nor even a lump of non-stuff—it’s a set
of capacities.
think you’d say that the power was apart of the saw.
[117]
animals must have an even number of legs. But
[118]
Yes—and I got interested in a few side-issues, too
some aspect of the duck (its color and shape, say), has
[119]
GODS
[120]
In your will you leave money to pay for statues of Zeus
[121]
I believe that the heavenly bodies—the Sun and the
[12?]
height? No—let us praise famous men. Praising the
sort of doing?
[123]
complicated thing. But though we tell the time by its
[135]
DEATH
[i?6]
Like any philosopher, you must have thought about
death.
aren’t.
death?
[128]
survive in any number of romances. Perhaps that’s
I'm not so sure ...In any case, apart from that sort of
day, and we know what it’s like. That willow aslant the
its bones will stay around for a very long time. But the
[ 13 o ]
to me. This bag of bones you've nearly finished cross-
once did). I can still see the colors and the forms of
[ 131 ]
Some ways of dying are frightening—a lingering
But nothing hurts the dead. You can cut that canine
curse it, and it won’t put its tail between its legs. It
[i3?l
PROSPECTS
[ 13 3 ]
You believe that you will not literally survive your death.
[ 13 6 ]
Has your life been a success? Has it met the standards
[137]
We haven't talked about that.
113 8 ]
Postscript
Text within square brackets comprises words not preserved on the stone
p.23 "he had skinny legs ...” The stoiy is found in Aelian,
[140]
REFILL?
Aristotle’s major works—Analytics, New York: Cambridge University
Ethics, Metaphysics, Physics, On the Press, 1988)
Soul—have each been translated W.D. Ross .Aristotle (London:
many times into English. They are Methuen, 1933)
available in a variety of paperback
editions. All Aristotle’s surviving Since antiquity, scholars and
works, in English translation, are philosophers have commented
collected in The Complete Works of upon and criticized Aristotle’s
Aristotle, edited by Jonathan Barnes ideas. In The Cambridge Companion
(Princeton Nj: Princeton University to Aristotle, edited by Jonathan
Press, 1984). Barnes (Cambridge and New York:
Cambridge University Press, 1995),
There are several general there are chapters on most aspects
discussions of Aristotle’s thought, of Aristotle’s philosophy, and
among them: there is an extensive bibliography
j.L. Ackrill, Aristotle the Philosopher which may serve as a guide to more
(Oxford and New York: Oxford advanced reading.
University Press, 1981)
D.J. Allan, The Philosophy of
Aristotle (Oxford and New York:
Oxford University Press, 1953)
J. Barnes, Aristotle—A Very Short
Introduction (Oxford and New
York: Oxford University Press,
3000)
[141]
INDEX
Academy, the 16-17,18, 36—8, astronomy 37,122
!9,34
38,39,33-3
Physics 134
mathematics 48—9 plants 58
on poets 69—70
[143]
and rhetoric 42—4 skepticism 63-4
on the sexes 90, 91 slavery i3, 24, 84-90
on souls 115 Socrates 3i
Poetics 72—3 Sophocles 70, 73—4
poetiy 69-74 souls 109—110, n3—19
politics 3o—35, 75~83, 96, 101 and death 129—3o
Politics 3i—3, 84, i36 Speusippus 55
power 26 states 15-16, 80—81, i36
see also democracy and monarchy substance/accident 108
prayer 121, m3 success 137
Proxenus (A’s uncle) 16 survival 125,128—9,187
Ptolemy 10
Pythias (A’s daughter) i3,19, 20 theater 14, 36, 38, 70—74
Pythias (A's wife) 17,19, 20 Themison 27
Theophrastus 17—18, 20, 58, i33
questions 43—4 tragedy 70-74
u5
scholastic philosophy 11 women see sexes, the
science 59—67,134
philosophy and 55—6, 63—4 Zoological Inquiries 54, i36
see also zoology zoology 10,18, 54—9, 61—2,135-6
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