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Posted by: mylifeisgoingdown Oct 13 2017, 12:46 AM

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Posted by: frost99 Oct 13 2017, 12:59 AM

Does the Nettium job have a bond or penalty for resign within certain time? Else take the Nettium job first then
consider your options IF you get the Petronas offer. Don't count your chickens before they're hatched! And you never
know if Nettium turns out to be a great experience after all.

Posted by: smallghost19 Oct 13 2017, 01:01 AM

Time should be not an issue for you to be idle for weeks~If it's a dream job you wish to work for, it worth the wait~

Somemore, I believe that even you didn't reply your confirmation to the first company, you may do it after you got
the result from PETRONAS.

Posted by: prototype Oct 13 2017, 01:13 AM

read the offer letter

usually there is a probation period for the first one to six months where the notice period for resignation is really
short.. like a few days to 2 weeks notice

Posted by: mylifeisgoingdown Oct 13 2017, 01:14 AM

QUOTE(frost99 @ Oct 13 2017, 12:59 AM)

Does the Nettium job have a bond or penalty for resign within certain time? Else take the Nettium job first then
consider your options IF you get the Petronas offer. Don't count your chickens before they're hatched! And you never
know if Nettium turns out to be a great experience after all.

I did not check with them on this. They did asked me to go meet them and see the offer letter in person so it is easier
for them to explain to me. But I thought that if I really leave Nettium after I get the Petronas offer, wouldn't it be bad for
my resume? Like I worked here at 2 months then resign.

Posted by: mylifeisgoingdown Oct 13 2017, 01:15 AM

QUOTE(smallghost19 @ Oct 13 2017, 01:01 AM)

Time should be not an issue for you to be idle for weeks~If it's a dream job you wish to work for, it worth the wait~

Somemore, I believe that even you didn't reply your confirmation to the first company, you may do it after you got the
result from PETRONAS.
The thing is they are already asking for my confirmation so I don't know if I can drag it for so long.

Posted by: mylifeisgoingdown Oct 13 2017, 01:17 AM

QUOTE(prototype @ Oct 13 2017, 01:13 AM)

read the offer letter

usually there is a probation period for the first one to six months where the notice period for resignation is really
short.. like a few days to 2 weeks notice

Oh, I did not think of this. Hmm a good option indeed. Since to me, I feel that probation period is a time for not only the
employer to evaluate the employee but also a time for the employee to evaluate the company. If I leave during
probation, it shouldn't be too bad, the worst case is they black-list me. But I have to see the offer letter first whether
have any probation or mention any notice period.

Posted by: mylifeisgoingdown Oct 13 2017, 01:20 AM

Hmm guys, maybe it's too late now but do you think I should censor the company names? Haha because I thought it
will be easier to understand and help with explaining my concern.

Edit: Well, no point now. Even if I censored in my post, you guys will probably guess it through other
people replies. Haha stupid me

Posted by: ecksdee Oct 13 2017, 01:26 AM

QUOTE(mylifeisgoingdown @ Oct 13 2017, 01:20 AM)

Hmm guys, maybe it's too late now but do you think I should censor the company names? Haha because I thought it
will be easier to understand and help with explaining my concern.

Haha ops someone realize that he didnt censored the company name.

Posted by: sevenreina Oct 13 2017, 10:26 AM

location that u can save alot of time ,based on my experience,OT consider small issue ,jam is big issue for most of
people
if B not going to take u
probably C will do
so dont create urgent to yourself
might lose some good offer ,but if u cant satisfy with job ,thn how to make happy while working

Posted by: Buntel Oct 13 2017, 04:58 PM

Different people has different priorities. You have to decide yourself which one is your top priority. Looks to me that
you have decided work-life balance is a priority, so stick to it. Only you can decide for yourself. Also, this will not be
your last decision to make, 2 years down the road, highly likely you have to make a decision again because your
situation changes, or your priority changes.

What I can offer you is my point of view. At your age, when I just graduated, my decision was based on how my
working experience there will affect my next move (read: next job). This could come in different ways: (1) The works
done is interesting/complicated enough, not just, say, building trivial system (2) Perhaps there is good training
program in the company, which can accelerate your learning. (3) Maybe the company is a very big name where it
makes it easier to apply for the next job. (4) Maybe the company gives you more exposure at work, i.e. work with
different departments, clients, etc.
 So for me, my early working years were mostly investment for my later years. In fact, during that period I had a
chance to join a company with 22k employees and in the same industry as Petronas I didn't apply there because
most of the work were rather boring (i.e. backup database, IT support, etc.) and the interesting stuffs were usually
outsourced to IT vendors. Instead, I joined a company where I worked very long hours and in 24h on-call. I didn't
regret it a bit because I was still young. no dependents, and the move fit my long-term plan.

Conclusion: decide what are your priorities, consider short and long-term plan, then stick to it. For companies, there
are many fishes in the pond. For employees, there are many ponds in the world

Hope this helps.

Posted by: mylifeisgoingdown Oct 13 2017, 06:25 PM

QUOTE(Buntel @ Oct 13 2017, 04:58 PM)

Different people has different priorities. You have to decide yourself which one is your top priority. Looks to me that
you have decided work-life balance is a priority, so stick to it. Only you can decide for yourself. Also, this will not be
your last decision to make, 2 years down the road, highly likely you have to make a decision again because your
situation changes, or your priority changes.

What I can offer you is my point of view. At your age, when I just graduated, my decision was based on how my
working experience there will affect my next move (read: next job). This could come in different ways: (1) The works
done is interesting/complicated enough, not just, say, building trivial system (2) Perhaps there is good training
program in the company, which can accelerate your learning. (3) Maybe the company is a very big name where it
makes it easier to apply for the next job. (4) Maybe the company gives you more exposure at work, i.e. work with
different departments, clients, etc.

So for me, my early working years were mostly investment for my later years. In fact, during that period I had a
chance to join a company with 22k employees and in the same industry as Petronas I didn't apply there because
most of the work were rather boring (i.e. backup database, IT support, etc.) and the interesting stuffs were usually
outsourced to IT vendors. Instead, I joined a company where I worked very long hours and in 24h on-call. I didn't
regret it a bit because I was still young. no dependents, and the move fit my long-term plan.

Conclusion: decide what are your priorities, consider short and long-term plan, then stick to it. For companies, there
are many fishes in the pond. For employees, there are many ponds in the world

Hope this helps.

Wise words indeed. Truth be told, I thought the same when I was applying for my internship. My only goal for internship
was to learn as much as possible. Therefore I applied to a software development compony that is known to be Chinaman
style with heavy OT. It was not close to my house but that company was quite well-known in the industry so I don't mind
the long distance drive. Yup, first day of work as an intern already OT for extra 2 hours. I never complained or anything
because I knew I was there to learn, not to play.

However, after 6 months of internship at the company, I knew it was not what I want. The longest record I OT was until
1am in that company. The worst scenario during my internship was that I worked until 12am in the company, went back
home, took a shower, used TeamViewer to connect back to company computer and worked until 5am. Then wake up at
8am next morning to go to work. They don't allow us to bring work back home, so I have to stealthily use TeamViewer to
continue working.

To be fair, the knowledge I gained there really help me a lot in adding value to my programming skill but I don't think it
is worth my time and effort. They overload you with tasks and did not pay OT or any form of compensation. To me, I
don't mind OT but it must be justifiable. Either you pay attractive salary, or you pay OT, or recognize my performance
and increase my KPI for promotion/bonus. I don't like the idea of "You are fresh graduate, so I can pay you as little as
possible and give you as much work as possible".

Posted by: Daydreamedison Oct 13 2017, 11:29 PM

lesson learned mou?

Posted by: Cap Jones Oct 13 2017, 11:51 PM

 I think I may have worked (as a partner ) for the said IT companies , yeah , 90% you are likely need to standby ,
either for your own company internal job or you are working with other parties in a gov/glc tender . weekends , likely
you're in office or customer site. but bear in mind , you may be drag to something not in your workscope , this IT
company just because you know A ,B,C then you must know all the remaining letter in alphabet , you said you dont
know ? boy you'll learn on the job till you know , not on your idle time , but probably on the tight deadline .

Posted by: PrincZe Oct 15 2017, 09:29 PM

Surely company B

Give them a call, ask them if they would hire u. Because u have an offer and would like to join them

They will advise

By the way, nettium is high stress but big bonus

And u can jump very quickly if perform well

There's performance reward and they travel often. Again, very high stress environment but pays

Posted by: kazarboys Oct 16 2017, 09:44 AM

depend which one you want, is it experience or pay

Posted by: Buntel Oct 16 2017, 11:07 AM

QUOTE(mylifeisgoingdown @ Oct 13 2017, 06:25 PM)

I don't like the idea of "You are fresh graduate, so I can pay you as little as possible and give you as much work as
possible".

It actually applies to every employees regardless of seniority, so don't think it is fresh-graduate-only problem The
difference is the more skilled and experience you are, the more you can say "NO" The key here is not to stay too
long in that zone (fresh-graduate and unskilled). I would think that 2 years is enough to become a skilled software
engineer, provided you are in the right environment (good company, non-trivial projects, competent team-mates, and
hopefully competent mentor). I saw that in Accenture (no, I've never worked there ), after two years most will quit
and become highly-demanded elsewhere.

Having said that, of course the best option you can try is to get all (work-life balance, high-pay, learning). We know
though that life is not fair and full of compromises

Posted by: cintan Oct 16 2017, 11:11 AM

dude, OT is f**king common in working life. high paid high workload.

Posted by: gohkokho Oct 16 2017, 11:19 AM

When I read your post, I kind of feel sad for you. All you talked about is yourself and how the new job is going to be
"convenient" and "beneficial" to you. Nothing about how excited you are about your 1st new job, how much learning
you can gain, how this company can help you learn and grow, what kind of opportunity that company can give you.

The worst part is you scare of stress and high workload. Seriously?? A young fresh grad should not be scare of this.
Too early to be afraid of that in your 1st job right?? Instead will challenge yourself with more workload and more
stress, this is how you sharpen yourself and grow.

I am an IT Manager in MNC company and when I see your thoughts, for me honestly, I will not hire you at all. You
dont bring company any contribution at all with this kind of attitude.

Anyway my apology for my brute honest comment, hopefully young generations like you can learn something from
 my comment. You guys are the future blood of IT work force and it really sadden me to see such comment. Good
luck in your second interview.

Posted by: mylifeisgoingdown Oct 17 2017, 01:36 AM

QUOTE(gohkokho @ Oct 16 2017, 11:19 AM)

When I read your post, I kind of feel sad for you. All you talked about is yourself and how the new job is going to be
"convenient" and "beneficial" to you. Nothing about how excited you are about your 1st new job, how much learning
you can gain, how this company can help you learn and grow, what kind of opportunity that company can give you.

The worst part is you scare of stress and high workload. Seriously?? A young fresh grad should not be scare of this.
Too early to be afraid of that in your 1st job right?? Instead will challenge yourself with more workload and more
stress, this is how you sharpen yourself and grow.

I am an IT Manager in MNC company and when I see your thoughts, for me honestly, I will not hire you at all. You
dont bring company any contribution at all with this kind of attitude.

Anyway my apology for my brute honest comment, hopefully young generations like you can learn something from my
comment. You guys are the future blood of IT work force and it really sadden me to see such comment. Good luck in
your second interview.

People like you is the reason why Chinaman company exists. Everyone has different ideal about their working life. It's
just like some people always think that migrating out of Malaysia is so much better and they don't understand why would
people want to stay in Malaysia. The thing is not everyone thinks the same like you and not everyone wants the same
thing as you do. I would suggest you to change your mindset that everyone should agree with your opinion and learn
from you.

As an IT manager working in a MNC company, I thought you should have been more open-minded and willing to listen to
other people's opinion, even if they are conflicting with yours. But instead you decided to express your frustration at
them just because other people don't think the same way like you do.

Always remember one thing, you will never get to decide if a person fails or succeed in their life. Just because they don't
make the same decision like you do, it doesn't mean you will be more successful than them. Cheers and may you grow
to be a wise manager.

Posted by: raymondha Oct 19 2017, 08:57 AM

buddy, high pay high workload and u are fresh, dont expect too much. u should use the OT to brush up ur skill ... by
the way, dont really believe what interviewer said .

Posted by: cire2 Oct 19 2017, 01:44 PM

QUOTE(mylifeisgoingdown @ Oct 17 2017, 01:36 AM)

People like you is the reason why Chinaman company exists. Everyone has different ideal about their working life. It's
just like some people always think that migrating out of Malaysia is so much better and they don't understand why
would people want to stay in Malaysia. The thing is not everyone thinks the same like you and not everyone wants the
same thing as you do. I would suggest you to change your mindset that everyone should agree with your opinion and
learn from you.

As an IT manager working in a MNC company, I thought you should have been more open-minded and willing to listen
to other people's opinion, even if they are conflicting with yours. But instead you decided to express your frustration at
them just because other people don't think the same way like you do.

Always remember one thing, you will never get to decide if a person fails or succeed in their life. Just because they
don't make the same decision like you do, it doesn't mean you will be more successful than them. Cheers and may
you grow to be a wise manager.
This fresh grad is going somewhere. You are clear on your stand and would not let others, especially old timers who love
to use their seniority status to bend things to their will, telling you otherwise. I wish I was this firm like you when I was
a fresh grad myself. I can't give my opinion on your situation as I am not in the IT field but i am positive you will be
doing fine wherever you are. Good luck TS.

Posted by: genryou Oct 19 2017, 05:23 PM

If I were still a fresh grad like you, I would have choose company B.

Main reason? Near to your house.

The biggest blunder of my first career is picking a job in which I have to commute almost 1 hour and half travel time
to the office

1h30 go to work + 1h30 back from work = 3 hours of time wasted just to commute, not to mention the amount of
money I have to spend on petrol (no tolls)

Nowadays, the company I work with is only 5 minutes away from my house.
My petrol every month is only RM 30, and I have a lot of extra time to spend (study, rest, eat, dating, etc) instead of
being stuck on a traffic.

All in all, don't go for a job which will put accumulated and unnecessary / unneeded stress which is not related to
your work task (stress due to stuck on traffic, stress due to petrol and tolls price hike, stress due to no parking, etc2)

Posted by: poooky Oct 19 2017, 05:55 PM

Go company b n don't look back. Higher pay, less work/stress n nearer to home.

Dun go cainamang company. Doing more doesnt equate to learning more. Most times its dealing with tedious crap or
sht jobs that no one else wants to do.

Moving on will depend on ur own learning n how well u play the game.

Posted by: hiroshi87 Oct 19 2017, 06:30 PM

i am in IT field. starting as an IT helpdesk and now as an IT consultant/architect. as long as u r willing to sacrifice

time and effort to learn, nothing will stop u. i mostly do self study to get my professional certs. save tons of money.

Posted by: xpole Oct 19 2017, 08:04 PM

WOW, Petronas take Fresh Grads nowadays?

I have 3 cousins and 1 in law working in Petronas.

1 of them working in HR dept, she said, nowadays Petronas only take experienced people.
If offer job for fresh grad mostly comes from student under Petronas scholarship.

I guess for IT Petronas is different i guess.

Posted by: jeffrey2020 Oct 20 2017, 02:04 PM

I guess u should take the Nettium company or go for more interview if you don like this chinaman company. As what
i know , Petronas wont offer you that fast , althought u say they ardy offer you and when u call back check, sure
banyak pattern to drag you one. Not only you is the best result, they are plenty good result student out there to
choose too and some with maharaja relationship. lol !! What i can say is usually take more than 3 month for Petronas
to offer you. So, do update us on your hunt job journey. All the best to you !

Posted by: cant think of a username Oct 22 2017, 03:39 AM

ok la didnt really read through the whole thing and the other replies..
 but.. 3.xk pay is not high.. is minimum, any lower consider abuse d..

Posted by: bluetomato Oct 23 2017, 10:18 AM

QUOTE(mylifeisgoingdown @ Oct 17 2017, 01:36 AM)

People like you is the reason why Chinaman company exists. Everyone has different ideal about their working life. It's
just like some people always think that migrating out of Malaysia is so much better and they don't understand why
would people want to stay in Malaysia. The thing is not everyone thinks the same like you and not everyone wants the
same thing as you do. I would suggest you to change your mindset that everyone should agree with your opinion and
learn from you.

As an IT manager working in a MNC company, I thought you should have been more open-minded and willing to listen
to other people's opinion, even if they are conflicting with yours. But instead you decided to express your frustration at
them just because other people don't think the same way like you do.

Always remember one thing, you will never get to decide if a person fails or succeed in their life. Just because they
don't make the same decision like you do, it doesn't mean you will be more successful than them. Cheers and may
you grow to be a wise manager.

A very well written rebuke supported by strong argumentative points.

In response to your question, If I were in your shoes and I was looking to move towards the upper echelon of the
workforce, I would go with Petronas offer as I believe an experience with Petronas will open yourself to a plethora of
options in the future, I understand that with the Petrons option an older workforce culture may turn you off from
climbing the ladder quickly as you'd like but if it doesn't work out well the experience with a conglomerate such as
Petronas will still be an excellent spring board to better opportunities moving forward.

I made a personal leap myself after my 2 years of fresh graduate experience to a bigger name in a different industry for
the exact reason.

However, as mentioned by one of the posters previously it really boils down to what you are looking for moving forward.
Oh and P.S if you are looking to move to the 2nd option, be wary as what you have on hand by option one is a done deal
and the other has not materialized. Alas I wish you best of luck!

Posted by: Ralys Oct 30 2017, 08:29 PM

As a current employee in company A, I would not recommend u to join the company A, trust me, while they like to
talk about work life balance, but u will never be able to achieve it due to the fact that the company will require u, as
a software engineer to be on standby which most of the time u will get called in the weekend or weekday, ANYTIME,
even though it's false alarm but u may get called and wake up for checking and in the end, it's just a false alarm. I
believe that as a software engineer it is beyond our job scope to be on standby for the website as there should be a
production support team to do the job. They indeed have a production support team but is in fact they are unable to
help since they are unable do simple thing like debug the code and check for error which most of the time probably
escalate to u the developer to solve the issue. So for ur own good, pls avoid this company at all cost.

Posted by: taitianhin Oct 30 2017, 09:15 PM

Bro...Location? how far from your house? bad jam go to there in morning? Any jam on the way back?

pls consider this point, as you will stick to the same traffic jam every single darn day...till u drop...

Posted by: fukumiya Nov 1 2017, 07:23 AM

If I'm u, I will choose company b. Don't choose those cikopek gambling company. Apa lj online gambling website is
legal in Malaysia ? I got fren working in those company. Heard from him , 2-3 times raid the company. U want to
work in those company ?

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