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11-21-2008, 01:12 AM #1 (permalink)
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Stanley Meyer Explained
What you are about to learn on this topic for the most part is not up for debate. What you are going to
get is some understanding to how Stanley Meyer did what he did to use water as a fuel source. Things
that are up for debate are the many ways to construct working prototypes, and yes on some of what
you are going to learn here there are other ways of doing it, this is just my way. You are going to learn
what I, h2opower, have uncovered with all of my research and development into Stanley Meyer's work.
And when someone ask you who taught you how Stanley Meyer made use of water as a fuel source you
should tell them it was h2opower for I want the world to know it was me.
Taken from the patent:

Hydrogen Fracturing Process
Incoming processed hydrogen fuel gas is, now, exposed to thermal spark ignition
process which triggers thermal explosive energy-yield that causes piston-action
of Figure (3-38) to exceed normal gas combustion process associated with hydrogen to air
mixture of gases in stable state. Thermal atomic interaction is caused when sub-critical gas
ions (104a xxx 104n) (derived from both water bath ~ and ambient air gases 1Ql fails to unite with
or covalently link up or covalent bond with highly energized (laser primed) hydrogen atom
(128).Sub-critical Oxygen atom (129) having less than the normal amount of covalent electrons
(orbital electrons) is unable to reach "stable-state" (six to eight covalent electrons required) when
the two hydrogen atoms (128 a/b) seek to form the water molecule during thermal gas ignition.
Absorbed laser energy (131) of hydrogen gas atom nucleus (133) weakens "electrical
bonding" force (CC') between hydrogen atom electron (132) and hydrogen atom nucleus (133);
while, at the same time, absorbed laser energy (135) prevents oxygen atom (129) from reaching
"stable state" when electrical attraction force (BB') (opposite electrical attraction force being
equivalent to the number of missing electrons) locks onto and pulls away hydrogen atom electron
(132) while repelling force (DD') keeps the two positive charged nucleuses (133/136) apart. These
"'abnormal" and "unstable" conditions coupled with thermal interaction (gas ignition) under gas
compression (137) of Figure (3-42) as to Figure (3-38) (fuel-gas 88 being compressed via pistonRE:
WFC Hydrogen Gas Management System Memo WFC 422 DA
Stanley A Meyer 3-24
action 105) causes combustible gas atoms (129 and 128a/b) to decay ... releasing thermal explosive
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energy (gtnt) (127) under control means. This atomic thermal-interaction between sub-critical
combustible gas atoms (127 and 128a/b) is, now, herein after called "The Hydrogen fracturing
Process. "
What this is saying once you break it down is this, hho plus ionized air gases equals The hydrogen
Fracturing Process when ignited in the combustion chamber.
HHO + Gas Processor = The Hydrogen Fracturing Process.
So every time Meyer used this phrase he meant both things working together, now for most people that
gets lost in the translation for they never fully read everything clearly. What needs to be done with
Meyer's patent is someone make up a definition of terms.
Once I realized this I knew that the WFC was a dead end that we were all put on for once you have it
working correctly all you will get is electricity and hho gases. In my view that was not a done by
mistake, it was intentional and/or deliberate to keep everyone's focuses away from the key too the
technology. What they didn't expect was for someone to solve the WFC, and move on to the next
step(me).
Now to test your understanding. "If I hooked up a Boyce cell, or even a smack booster, to the Gas
Processor what would I get as a result?"
Answer: "The Hydrogen Fracturing Process."
Got to this site for more explanation: atomic hydrogen emission spectrum
What the gas processor is doing is changing the atoms to Atomic Hydrogen and Atomic Oxygen. Atomic
hydrogen having an increased energy yield of 1312kJ/mol, and Atomic Oxygen from 94.2-5000plus
kJ/mole increased energy yield. Note, no laws of physics have been broken to do this, just the use of
photonic, electrical, and perhaps even magnetic energy was used on the atoms by Stanley Meyer. That
is the key to the invention, the WFC is just the most efficient way to break water down known to man it
is not where the energy for "The Hydrogen Fracturing Process" comes from.
The VIC circuit
The way the tranformer works in the alternator and the injector transformer to produce high voltages is
when the magnetic field is terminated, not the turn ratio of the primary to secondary windings. In the
alternator the Meyer applied 5 volts and 2 amps to the rotor of the alternator, (Note: he did not pulse
the Rotor). Then the rotor is rotated and this magnetic filed slices through the stature windings. From
there it is sent too some diodes then into a optocoupler to be pulsed then into what I now call, "voltage
multiplying chokes" onwards to the WFC. Interestingly the injector transformer works on this very
same principle, during what Meyer calls, "Shut off conditions," the termination of the magnetic field. All
the coils in the injector transformer should be matched inductively so they all hit at the same time
when the transformer comes into resonance. This was accomplished by varying the wire sizes.
How come I call it a, "Voltage Multiplying Chokes" is because that is exactly what it is doing at the same
time as limiting the amps. How you might be asking? By way of capacitive reactance. Each individual
bobbin space has a capacitive reactance that when the magnetic field is terminated dump it's voltage to
the next bobbin cavity. Xc1 times, Xc2 times, Xc3 and so on down the line. The use of 430 wire was
just so no one copied Meyer's work and added in some resistance wire claiming theirs was therefor
different than that of Meyer's. For at resonance the resistance part of the equation drops out. Thus the
430 wire is not needed it was added in so no one stole Meyer's work claiming that they used resistance
wire in theirs, but the number of bobbin spaces is needed to make the high voltages when the magnetic
field is terminated.
Now I am not going to go into the donut cores if you build one of those your on your own. Now a recap
of what we've learned. "How does the Alternator and the injector transformers make their high
voltages?"
Answer: When the magnetic field is terminated and the capacitive reactances of every bobbin cavity(
individual coils in the transformer's stature winding) multiply on each other ramping up the voltages as
they do.
Now Ravi had it right when he use a VIC coil set up for each tube set, one for one, for I found a pic of
Meyer's buggy that shows Meyer had 11 VIC coils in the buggy. Nine for the WFC, one for the Gas
Processor, and the other for the Steam Resonator. My thinking on this one is once you drop the size of
the physical coil it no longer has enough capacitive reactance to over do the acceptance of the tube set
hooked up together as one. It was the sheer mass of the alternator and chokes used that made that
possible.
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One thing I think Ravi didn't do right was to have the pulsing circuit set up in such a way that the
voltage was variable independently of the pulse width spacing and frequency used. In other words he
had no way to raise or lower the voltage once the resonance frequency was found and pulsing
maximized.
Since so much has been already said on the WFC the only thing I have to add is to make them so the
outside of the outer tube is isolated out of the water bath and to ground the water bath just as Stanley
Meyer shows too do, and isolated ground right in the water bath. But isolating the positive from the
water bath helps keep the voltage from leaking. And the circuitry any way you find that will pulse the
transformer should work, just make sure when you have everything set that you are able to raise and
lower the voltage independently of pulsing and frequency. In the alternator all Meyer had to do was
turn a variable resistor to raise or lower the voltage to the rotor field winding.
Now all of you know the truth of just what is the key to this technology, it is something that know one
has ever built, looked into, or even tried to understand, for all focus has been on the WFC for the last
11 years.
Dr. Lindemann had it right about the water fuel capacitor on how it is able to break the bonds of water.
This one correct question, that I ask myself, lead me to the full answer of how Meyer did what he did.
"How did Stanley Meyer run a 1.6L VW engine with an hho production rate of only 7L/min? Since I
have been through the patent very thoroughly I already new that Stanley Meyer WFC had a production
rate of 7L/min. it says so right there in the patent. For those of you that don't think that is a great
accomplishment you try to see what you can get out of just 5 volts and 2 amps of power. So how did he
do it? Answer: The Gas Processor. Why no one ever picked up on this is that Stanley Meyer seems to
have lost everyone in his definition of terms. You heard it here first from h2opower, now lets get busy
becoming energy independent as Meyer wanted us too be. For if these aren't great times of trouble I
don't know what they are, and in the bibble Meyer says in the last days a great gift shall be given on to
mankind, and I think this qualifies as a gift, as I have ask nothing from any of you.
Enjoy your energy independence,
h2opower.
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Do you have a successful replication?
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water capacitor
Quote:
Originally Posted by h20power

Since so much has been already said on the WFC the only thing I have to add is to make them
so the outside of the outer tube is isolated out of the water bath and to ground the water bath
just as Stanley Meyer shows too do, and isolated ground right in the water bath. But isolating
the positive from the water bath helps keep the voltage from leaking. And the circuitry any way
you find that will pulse the transformer should work, just make sure when you have everything
set that you are able to raise and lower the voltage independently of pulsing and frequency. In
the alternator all Meyer had to do was turn a variable resistor to raise or lower the voltage to
the rotor field winding.
Now all of you know the truth of just what is the key to this technology, it is something that
know one has ever built, looked into, or even tried to understand, for all focus has been on the
WFC for the last 11 years.
H2OPower,
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I hope to see someone incorporate everything together here that you're mentioning.
In regards to the isolation of the positive tube from the water to make a real capacitor, some people
have been very well aware of at least this component including the ground to the water bath itself:
Stan Meyer Bifilar Chokes (diagram here)
Stan Meyer Bifilar Chokes
Stan Meyer Bifilar Chokes some discussion of purpose of Delrin encasement
Many months ago, I showed a few references to Peter and he helped me build something at his shop...a
real water capacitor...what that project was is irrelevant... what is relevant is that the goal is to have a
water cell where voltage potential WILL NOT LEAK. The project was far from perfected but this concept
is clearly spelled out in Tay Hee Han's patent as well.
Meyer shows this very clearly with his diagram of the delrin encasement.
Delrin isn't practical for anyone unless they have access to some machine stop probably. My homebrew
solution was to get a can of plastidip to coat the outside positive tube in to isolate it from the water.
Also, super corona dope can be painted on the outside of the positive tube, which I have a few quarts
of this for this purpose.
Anyway, I'd like to see you or someone else show results from all of this.
Thanks for posting this and I hope to see some more progress in this area..very exciting!
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The use of 430 wire was just so no one copied Meyer's work and added in some resistance wire
claiming theirs was therefor different than that of Meyer's. For at resonance the resistance part
of the equation drops out. Thus the 430 wire is not needed it was added in so no one stole
Meyer's work claiming that they used resistance wire in theirs, but the number of bobbin spaces
is needed to make the high voltages when the magnetic field is terminated
h2opower.
Use of 430F was not only for extra resistance , Here are some quotes from the brief.
Attached Images
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To bring this topic back to the important part.
Like I said the WFC is NOT IMPORTANT it is the GAS PROCESSER that is the key to this technology.
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Some numbers for you to think over:
Gasloine has a energy level of 4846 kJ/mol

H2 + 1/2O2 has an energy level of 286.02 kJ/mol
Now this is what happens when it passes through the Gas Processor:
1st ionozation level,
H 1312 + 1/2 O 1313.9 = 1968.85 kJ/mol
2nd for oxygen,
H 1312 + 1/2 O 3388.3 = 3006.15 kJ/mol
3rd for oxygen,
H 1312 + 1/2 O 5300.5 = 3962.25 kJ/mol
Now you can see just what the Gas Processor is doing. Note, depending on how far you ionize the
Oxygen the energy levels keep going up to end up with this:
H 1312 + 1/2 O 84,078.0 = 43,351 kJ/mol. Now that's energy
If you get to any one of these energy states it will run your engine with ease. So, the key is to make
the Gas Processor and make it to ionize the gases that go through too a energy state as far as you can
so you can get these energy levels to put in the cumbustion chamber and ignite them. I suggest to
make two of them one for the incoming air and the other for the hho from what every source you
choose to get the hho from. Now you can see just how Stanley Meyer ran his 1.6L VW engine on just a
7L/min production rate.
Energy independence is now yours for the taking, enjoy,
h2opower.
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11-22-2008, 07:18 AM #6 (permalink)
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ionization
The WFC is more useless without the insulation on the tubes but I agree it is destabalizing the gas. It
isn't about volume of gas but how high you can potentialize the same volume of gas. Jetijs realized this
on a few experiments that equal volumes don't necessary have equal power.
Anyway, a quote from the page I mentioned...not Meyer's...just old known science:
"The velocity of an ion in a gas is extraordinarily larger than the

corresponding velocity in an electrolyte. H-ions move in pure water only at
1.08 cm/hr at a gradient of 1 Volt/cm, so that the H-ion in hydrogen moves
25,000 times faster than in water.
Saturation current
Can a strong electric field remove the freshly formed ions from the gas so
fast that no recombination whatsoeveroccurs? An experiment with the plate
condenser (Fig. 507) gives the answer!"
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What is this answer? It is on that page.
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That's good information Aaron, shows the speed of things going on in these reactions.
One thing I have notice in my research is that Oxygen can't be stripped of electrons from the ground
state too the lowest in one hit, it has to be done in stages. But the good thing is for oxygen it only
takes .98 eV to push it up a level. Hydrogen, on the otherhand, takes 13.6 eV to push it up to the next
level so you really have to focuse your energies well when it comes to hydrogen.
Now everything is going to be in percentages, we have to design it in a way that has the best
percentages of conversion. I also see no harm in putting two gas processors back to back. But when
designing for one for the incoming air and one for the hho, the two will not be made the same. One will
have its primary focuse on stripping Oxygen and the other will have it's primary focuse on stripping
Hydrogen. Being that Oxygen has more than 73 wavelengths at which to bombard it with the Gas
Processor ment for Hydrogen will convert some of the Oxygen as well, just not as high in percentages
as the one built for Oxygen will.
Another thing that helps us is the technology on LEDs has advanced much since the time when Meyer
used them. From what I can tell they are about 20 to 30 times as bright as the ones Meyer had to use
in his day. Hitting these things at the right wavelengths is a must. I thought about using white light
LEDs, kinda throwing everything but the kitchen sink at it aproach, but I decided to try and match the
atoms. Now Meyer didn't have white LEDs to use in his time, for even though they did exist back then
they weren't really on the market for sell until 2003 I think. So, if we do our homework we can make a
Gas Processor that Meyer would be proud of.
Photon bombardment is 180 degrees of the pulsing of the high voltage field and the electron extraction
circuit pulses with the LEDs. Remember the idea is to strip as many electrons as you can from the
incoming gases. The time it will stay for Oxygen is about .74 sec's but that is plenty of time when you
think about the gas speeds inside of the intake system. Meyer says in the patent if you want higher
conversion rates you have to increase the frequency to 50k Hz and above. But with the advances in
LEDs we have a lot more photons to bombard the atoms with than Meyer did so we should out do him
easily. Also note it takes cohernt light not defusied light to effect the atoms.
Best Regards,
h2opower.
11-22-2008, 08:44 AM #8 (permalink)
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the page
This page I meant (where the info/answer is)

K9 Passage of electricity through gases
H2OPower,
What is your solution to "burn off" the electrons? A Meyer EEC type circuit or something else? If it is
like Meyer's do you have a schematic of what you're going to use?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron

This page I meant (where the info/answer is)
K9 Passage of electricity through gases
H2OPower,
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What is your solution to "burn off" the electrons? A Meyer EEC type circuit or something else? If
it is like Meyer's do you have a schematic of what you're going to use?
I sent you a PM on what I am doing so as not to confuse anyone reading any of this matireal.
I wouldn't call it "burn off" but more of a "consuming of the negetive electrons" so that the probability
of recombination of the ionized gas atoms is far less likely to occur. That bit of reading you shared with
us explains the purpose of the EEC very well and adds clarity to what Meyer had done with the Gas
Processor. Thanks
Best Regards,
h2opower.
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Ionizers
Very interesting topic! Just curious though if a commercial air ionizer could possibly work for this type
of application (with some modifications of course)?
11-24-2008, 09:48 AM #11 (permalink)
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electron extraction circuit and ionization
Hi Bill,
Those would be donating electrons so wouldn't really fit this purpose since we want to get the electrons
out of the water and hho gas that comes out of the water.
However, the concept of ionization by collision is used in Patrick Flannagan's negative ion generators.
The electrons are spit out so they hit other attached electrons and so forth like a chain reaction. It still
isn't suited for the purpose of increasing the power of the hho water gas but is a great synchronicity I
think that you mention ion generators because I was specifically thinking of posting about Flannagan's
generators in relation to mentioning the ion collision effect.
I would recommend that anyone read this patent to get a good feel for this basic concept:
Water decomposition method and device using ionization by collision - Patent 4427512
The Meyer method to get the electrons out is with an EEC - electron extraction circuit. The electrons
freed in the water and in the hho gas leaving the cell are going to be attracted to the positive
plate/tube/field. If there is a connection there going from there to a bulb and the bulb goes back to
ground, that bulb will be a path for those electrons to leave the water or gas and will therefore prevent
the h and o from recombining back into water molecules.
So far, I've seen some (claims) EEC results with bulbs. I'd like to try the experiment with capacitors and
inductive loads to see if it pulls those electrons away any more effectively. I supposed the evidence of
any of this is in how much work we can get out of the gas in the end after it has been stripped of
electrons.
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Water Sparkplug Patent with Ionized Gas
You can also see in the patent diagrams that ionized and non combustible gases are used in the
watersparkplug design.
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/PatE5.pdf
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Thanks for the explanation Aaron Looking forward to hearing about the experiments with capacitors
and inductive loads!
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About the cell I have heard from a successful replicator that the key to success is understanding that
you need a standing, longitudinal wave between the cylinders. So both inductors need approximately
the same turns and then the magnetic pulse will throw H2O molecules left and right with equal force
and HHO will rise FROM THE CENTER POINT BETWEEN THE CYLINDERS. Just like a standing wave.
Anyone can easily reach COP of 3 without perfect cylinders(MOST IMPORTANT DETAIL THAT THE
CYLINDERS ARE PERFECTLY MACHINE TOOLED TO INCREASE OUTPUT). But the simplest version of
Meyer is not hard to build for the experimenter in here who has experience from bifilar coils. And
remember AC power source is just fine if you use 50% duty cycle.
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I am not sure if you guys are getting the point here . The water fuel capacitor is not needed to run
a internal combustion engine. The gas processor is the key to Stanley Meyer's invention. In the end
Stanley Meyer didn't use a water fuel capacitor with his injectors. The injectors sent in a charged water
mist with the same concept as a Taylor cone, primed Oxygen atoms, and recirculated exhaust gases.
There was a very little hydrogen produced from the LEDs on the side of the injector to get the reaction
started once ignited in the combustion chamber. But with a firestorm type spark plug even that
wouldn't be needed, just gotta love addvances in technology .
Example: If the gas processor creates Oxygen striped to it's second ionozation level that newly formed
(primed) Oxygen has the energy to break the bonds of water and then react with it. Oxygen in it's
second level has 3388 kJ/mol and it only takes 1368 kJ/mol to break the bonds of water, now do the
math and you will see why the Gas Processor is the key too Meyer's invention, for you can strip Oxygen
way past the 2nd level. Try it, do the math and see the results for youself .
As for using the store brought ionizers not sure but the EEC has to be in the circuit for it consumes the
negetive electrons that where just striped from the atom. If the EEC is not put in the nutrual and the
negetive electrons will be attracted to each other and your primed gases would be lost in short order.
The EEC's job is to consume the negetive electrons so the negetive oxygen ions have nothing to
combine with cuting down the probability that the primed gases will combine with anything on their
way to the combustion chamber for they will repel each other for most of them will be negetive
electrons.
I hope that clears things up some,

Free power to the people,
h2opower.
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Thanks H2OPower for your clarity. I will look into it. The WFC is easily built, the gas processor needs
more attention as you say. The steam resonator is it really included in the Meyer buggy engine? If so,
is it the final step before ignition?
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charged water and electrons
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The injectors sent in a charged water mist
The EEC's job is to consume the positive electrons so the negative electrons have nothing to
combine
What is this charged water mist? Water is charged when it is in a WFC and is separated and actually
allowed to recombine back into water...then it is charged and it is supposedly acts different than regular
water that hasn't been through that process.
Also, what is your definition of a positive electron and negative electron?
There are 3 flows on a circuit. Positive voltage potential, negative voltage potential and electrons that
are of negative potential.
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This is getting interesting, about the EEC I always thought he did that trick rotating the HHO gas(which
is magnetic) inducing a rotating magnetic field causing the electrons to flow away(or whatever happens
when HHO is rotated near a conductor, I bet very few people know for sure) in a conductor, at the
moment I do not find that drawing in one of his patents, it looks like a solenoid coil.
Anyway a unipulsed magnetic field could do the work too, remember south pole ionizes one way and
north pole the other way. And then of course he can use his laser/LEDs. Finally it seems his steam
resonator comes in handy too before ignition.
So we have 3 main steps(as fas as I see it very quickly, I am surely wrong about some details):
1) Make HHO with WFC - easy and clear

2) Ionize HHO and air(O2) ambient by magnetic pulses/laser/LEDs etc. Not very clear to me.
3) Spray water mist into the mix and use the steam resonator to separate everything before ignition.
Ignite for suction(implosion) power. Pretty clear.
?? Feel free to summarize better and more exact. Thanks.
Stan Meyer worked hard and he was a practical genius, that is clear to me, most of his theory we
should forget though.
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Turns out I was completely wrong, I found that drawing and the solenoid coil turned out to be a
solenoid spring....
However the idea about rotating HHO to get the electrons away might not be the worst I have had, a
rotating magnetic field is somehow familiar territory here I believe....
Please help us uninformed with the short and simple story of the ionizer part of Meyer´s patents.
Thanks.
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Quote:

What is this charged water mist? Water is charged when it is in a WFC and is separated and
actually allowed to recombine back into water...then it is charged and it is supposedly acts
different than regular water that hasn't been through that process.
Also, what is your definition of a positive electron and negative electron?
There are 3 flows on a circuit. Positive voltage potential, negative voltage potential and electrons
that are of negative potential.
For that Aaron we go to the Taylor Cone and how it relates to Meyer's injectors. In a Taylor cone the tip
of the needle is subjeted to a high voltage field. The fuild,(in our case water) picks up this positive
charge, and when it is injected into the combustion chamber the engine itself is the collector and the
water mist starts to break up into a plume of ever decreasing water droplets aiding in combustion with
the freshly primed air gases.
Qute from the reading you gave us to read:

In order to explain this phenomenon, we must return to the ionization process itself: By external action
( for example, by X-rays) one electron is separated from a gas molecule (or atom), and thereby it
becomes a positively charged ion. Under the normal conditions, which held in Fig. 508, the separated
electron will attach itself soon to a gas molecule, because free electrons can hardly exist in a dense gas.
The molecule with the excess electrons form then a negative ion and remain so until it reaches the
electrode or recombines with a positive ion, whereby both molecules return to the normal state.
Now to tie all of this in with the EEC from the reading you gave us to read:
Recombination and velocity of ions
If you also earth in the ionization chamber of Fig. 507 the plate P, the number of ions in the chamber K
increases, since the field which extracted them from the air space is absent. Does the ionization process
last until all gas molecules have been split into ions or are there other processes to stop this? To start
with, one expects that individual ions approach by themselves by diffusion the plates P, P' and the
housing and thereby lose their charge. In fact, this is what happens, however, in general, the number of
ions destroyed in this manner is very small compared with the direct reunion (recombination) of the ions
in the gas space as a result of the forces of attraction, which are present between oppositely charged
ions. This recombination apparently takes place the faster, the larger is the number of positive and
negative ions in the space. Hence, if you focus your attention on a definite negative ion, the probability
that it will disappear by recombination with a positive ion is proportional to the number N+ of the
present ions; the same applies to the positive ions. The frequency of recombinations in a gas is therefore
kN+N- or kN , since, as a rule, equal numbers of positive and negative ions are present. K is a factor
which differs with the state of the gas. Hence the number of recombinations increases quadratically with
the ion density. A strongly ionized gas de-ionizes on its own very quickly unless an external agent
generates continually new ions. You can measure the recombination of ions in a strongly ionized gas:
For example, Rutherford discovered that of 106 initially present ions half of them disappear after 0.7 sec
and 90% after 6 sec. Also, under the action of a very strong ionization, the number of ions, which
accumulate in a gas space (free of an electric field), remains very small compared with the number of
present gas molecules.
and this too:
Saturation current
Can a strong electric field remove the freshly formed ions from the gas so fast that no recombination
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whatsoever occurs? An experiment with the plate condenser (Fig. 507) gives the answer! Ionize the gas
with a lastingly applied X-ray tube and increase, starting from zero, the field between P and P' by
connecting to P at first one, then two, three, etc. accumulators. For each field value measure by means
of G the current flowing through the gas. If you plot the strength of the ionization current against the
field strength (Fig. 508), you obtain a curve, which at first rises very steeply almost linearly, then
flattens out and levels out parallel to the abscissa. This behaviour is easily understood. In a weak field,
the ions wander only slowly, whence they are in the gas space a relatively long time and therefore do
not readily encounter opposite charged ions for recombination. As their velocity increases, the
probability of a recombination drops. The number of ions, which reach the plate, and therefore also the
current strength grow with increasing field strength to a value, at which the ions pass through the gas
so fast, that recombination cannot occur in appreciable numbers. A further increase of the voltage
cannot now cause an increase in the current, because all forming ions are transmitted to the plates P
and P'. The maximum current is called saturation current, the corresponding Voltage saturation Voltage.
- The saturation current measures directly the number of ions, generated in unit time, and hence also
the strength of the ionizer. If there arise each second N pairs of ions in a gas space and each ion carries
the load e, then I = eN, for the current is nothing else but the charge which flows each second through
the conductor's cross-section.
What I get out of this is if you consume the positive electrons the negetive electrons have no positives
in which to recombine with and the probability of recombination cannot occur in appercialbe numbers
before the primed air gases reach the combustion chamber.
The last thing in the Meyer's set up just prior to combustion is the Gas Processor, for you only have .74
sec to get the primed air gases into the combustion chamber due to they are in an unstable state. Also,
I think the Meyer made the steam resonator due too the fact he lived in a place that snowed and could
freeze the water. It is sketchy in my mind, but that is what I think I read about the purpose of the
steam resonator.
Aaron, now can I ask you to do something. Post the math of the process so I can see if you understand
what the Gas Processor is doing? Thanks.
Best Regards,
h2opower.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gauss

This is getting interesting, about the EEC I always thought he did that trick rotating the HHO
gas(which is magnetic) inducing a rotating magnetic field causing the electrons to flow away(or
whatever happens when HHO is rotated near a conductor, I bet very few people know for sure)
in a conductor, at the moment I do not find that drawing in one of his patents, it looks like a
solenoid coil.
Anyway a unipulsed magnetic field could do the work too, remember south pole ionizes one way
and north pole the other way. And then of course he can use his laser/LEDs. Finally it seems his
steam resonator comes in handy too before ignition.
So we have 3 main steps(as fas as I see it very quickly, I am surely wrong about some details):
1) Make HHO with WFC - easy and clear

2) Ionize HHO and air(O2) ambient by magnetic pulses/laser/LEDs etc. Not very clear to me.
3) Spray water mist into the mix and use the steam resonator to separate everything before
ignition. Ignite for suction(implosion) power. Pretty clear.
?? Feel free to summarize better and more exact. Thanks.
Stan Meyer worked hard and he was a practical genius, that is clear to me, most of his theory
we should forget though.
This is how I see it:

1) Make WFCw/gas injectors or water mist injector( a real injector for you have to control the amount
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of water that goes in and the timing).

2) Make the Gas Processor, for it is present in both Meyer's gas injection and water mist injection
setups. The Gas Processor uses high voltage(electron bombardment) and photon bombardment of
coherent light from the LEDs to push the income air to a higher energy level, and then a electron
extraction circuit to consume the negetive electrons that where just striped so the primed air gases
don't reform back to their ground state, and/or form ozone.
3) If you live in an envirenment that can freeze water insulate all water lines and make the steam
resonator to keep the water from freezing.
Let me know if that helped,

h2opower.
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11-26-2008, 12:00 AM #22 (permalink)
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math
I'm not a mathematician. When I need to know electrical circuit equations or what the simple answer is,
I consult experts that can tell me.
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I'm not a mathematician. When I need to know electrical circuit equations or what the simple
answer is, I consult experts that can tell me.
Aaron, I am not picking on you, hope you know that. I'm asking for how I view this technology. In my
view this technology is very much like a vacation. How so? Easy answer, would you like to read about
me going on a vacation or actually go on a real vacation in the same place for yourself. Does that make
any sense? Now I put that question I ask towards Aaron to anyone reading this topic. Or would you
rather read my expireances on my vacation?
h2opower.
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Old Video
There is an older video of Stan discussing this exact effect.

I searched for it lastnight no luck.
He says in the video that the water is not returned,

that it is consumed... Kind of unnerving.
I guess; Make two canal rays one of H and another O,

cause them to intersect at the center of a spark gap???
If you get a torch *like* Irving Langmuirs

http://www.geocities.com/bioelectroc...y/langmuir.htm
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We all can use the heat somehow....
A very spooky and interesting topic indeed.
Dave
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Like I said the WFC is NOT IMPORTANT it is the GAS PROCESSER that is the key to this
technology.
Some numbers for you to think over:
Gasloine has a energy level of 4864 kJ/mol

H2 + 1/2O2 has an energy level of 285 kJ/mol
Now this is what happens when it passes through the Gas Processor:
1st ionozation level,
H 1312 + 1/2 O 1313.9 = 1968.85 kJ/mol
2nd for oxygen,
H 1312 + 1/2 O 3388.3 = 3006.15 kJ/mol
3rd for oxygen,
H 1312 + 1/2 O 5300.5 = 3962.25 kJ/mol
Now you can see just what the Gas Processor is doing. Note, depending on how far you ionize
the Oxygen the energy levels keep going up to end up with this:
H 1312 + 1/2 O 84,078.0 = 43,351 kJ/mol. Now that's energy
If you get to any one of these energy states it will run your engine with ease. So, the key is to
make the Gas Processor and make it to ionize the gases that go through too a energy state as
far as you can so you can get these energy levels to put in the cumbustion chamber and ignite
them. I suggest to make two of them one for the incoming air and the other for the hho from
what every source you choose to get the hho from. Now you can see just how Stanley Meyer
ran his 1.6L VW engine on just a 7L/min production rate.
Energy independence is now yours for the taking, enjoy,
h2opower.
Now I gave a lot of the math for the reaction already, but it was incomplete.
This math is just simple math of a first year chemistry student, algebra(though not error proof).
Water
2 H-H bonds and 1 0=0 bond are broken.
2(436) + 498 = +1370 kJ/mol. That is the energy it takes to break water down.
4 O-H bonds are formed when hydrogen and oxygen are ignited to form water.
4(-485) = -1836 kJ/mol
Summing the two processes: 1368 + (-1836) = -468 kJ/2mol or ~285 kJ/mol.
Now lets look at what happens when you add primed Oxygen gases to the equation.
1368 to break water down
now O(primed to 1st level 1314)-H = 2(-1096) = -2192 (only two bonds where formed due to oxygen
is now single just O not O2).
Summing the two processes: H-H 2(436) + 1/2O .5(1313.9) = 1528.95 kJ/mol - 1836 kJ/mol = -307
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kJ/mol. So a net 307 kJ/mol for the new reaction with the primed Oxygen gases, and remember
gasoline has 4864 kJ/mol.
Note also that this is only Oxygens first energy level, the more electrons are striped the greater the
energy yeild, example 2nd energy level for Oxygen is 3388 kJ/mol, this time you do the math.
Now I may have made a few mistakes but the way it works wont be hampered by my errors, so if it
needs correction by all means do so.
That should help everyone to understand the importance of the Gas Processor,
h2opower.
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Well it may work and it may be important but what is the end product after ignition. The way I see it
we have a lot of positively charged ions that you recombine into something! What is that something??!
Not water according to many people(ie Meyer)....
Please clarify the final chemical reaction if you ie have H+ and O4+ and ignite? Where do the electrons
come from?
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Random? thoughts
Maybe Stan gives it away when he uses the words fracturing the hydrogen.
H2 - 2E = two protons.
maybe the proton fractures???? (positrons make the bonds???)
or
a naked proton draws an electron from the Vacuum??? (would return water)
or
maybe some of the O gets ripped apart and the electron debris is used for recombination?
(He deceives us by saying Hydrogen fracturing when its Oxygen fracturing???)
or....
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Or just maybe the spark(cold current) is responsible for inititiating a new kind of logic into the reaction
between the protons, ie a neutrinolysis just like Meyl tells about in his book?
If so, picking one electron from the light neutrino might yield much less energy than picking many
electrons/positrons, especially the really heavy types(my neutrino etc) of neutrinos with 5
electrons/positrons in their vortex chain.
For sure there must be a connection with cold fusion and a transmutation of elements? Anyone has
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seen a report of the exhaust pipe analysis from Stan´s buggy?
But this is very important and I am not sure I like a water consuming engine, that is for sure.
11-27-2008, 10:20 AM #29 (permalink)

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even worse is one consuming O2

Yes IMHO this is an area of physics involving the nucleus...
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Insane?
If this destroys Hydrogen, great we have a stepping stone
If this destroys Oxygen, I hate to say this but Government need intervene somehow. Like, Demo the
effect, Document it, Explain it so everyone knows its insane. Kinda like they did with past nuclear
concepts.
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