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Minutes, January 4, 1968

Attending:
Mr.
Bernard T. Gallagher, Chairman Mr. Elmo Jensen
Mr.
Claude Ashby Mr. John Larson
Col.
James E. Barrett Mr. Terence McCracken
Mr.
W. Lee CoVins Mr. John Mcintire
Mr.
Thomas Gibson Mr. Charles Miller
~r. James S. Hafer Mr. Charles Moore
Mr. Thomas Hagan Mr. David Moses
Dr. Isaac Zigler

Mr. Gallagher chaired the meeting and made the following announcements:

1. A notice has been distributed that next week ' s meeting will be held in
the Main Briefing Room and a special filrri will be shown.

2. A change in the format in the FAR Meetings is.being discussed by the

SFD staff.

3. A group from Carlisle Barracks will visit for a briefing and tour on
January 9.

4. The IEPC Meeting is currently scheduled to be held here on February 13.

5. Classified ALSTA messages to the Federal Reserve, Federal Power

Commission, and the Emergency Communications Agency will be mailed
to them as these three stations cannot process classified messages at the
present time.

Mr. Hafer distributed General Taylor's speech and announced the imminent distribu-
tion of the Compendium of the Operations Plan. He also stated that arrangements were
trying to be worked out to offer certain undergraduate courses to site personnel.

Mr. Hagan reported that the Emergency Broadcast System Test used a taped message--
the first time this procedure had been used so far as he knew. Mr. Moore explained
why the tape was used and suggested that the accompanying script was interesting and
i nformative and should be made available to all the FAR'S.

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Mr. Jensen (NRAC) stated that NRAC would distribute copies of proceedings of a
recently held executive seminar on "Administration of National Security Policy"
at Kingsport, N. Y ., and a symposium on "Problems of Recovery of a Nuclear
Attack" recently held at Point Comfort, Va, Mr. Jensen also volunteered to
give a review of the Iron Mountain Report he gave at the seminar if the FAR'S
wished.

Dr. Zigler asked the general question, "What benefit does one receive from
participating in CCPX's?" A general discussion ensued.

Col. Barrett announced that the Automatic Entry Message System would soon be
installed and put into operation. A discussion ensued about the techniques,
procedures, and difficulties associated with the introduction of the new system.

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address this gathering of the National Dofe~se Executive Reserve. I have knoWn ~

national duty ropreaontod by tho momhorohip ot

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this body and foal th~~ this mootinG ia nn onpcoinlly happy evant aymbolizinr,, ns it
does, a recognition of responsibility to countr.y which is in sharp contrast to recent
events which havo taken place in our capital.
I must say, however, that I accepted with considerable trepidation ·too suggestion
of speaking tonight on Viot-Nam and on some of the alternatives w~ch we face in that .
part of the world. I often wonder whether it is a public service to add to the columns
of print and the stridence of debate which have been generated in our country over recen
months with regard · to our problems in .Southeast Asia • . As I travel about the country.; . .
talking to our fellow citizens, I am often impressed with the fact that confusion
describes best the general feeling toward these ~roblems; a confusion which ! think . .· 1
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has been the result of the very efficiency of our reporting media. The press, televisio~
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radio, our officials who cable piles of messages to our Government all contribute to the I
news which then flashes across our television screens and across the headlines of our
papers, today bringing us· a message of goOd news, tomorrow bad news·~ but' rarely wi tb
any explanation of what it all really means. As the coming Presid~ntial campaign
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p~·ceeds, inevitably our political leader~ on both sides will be re~xamlnin~ ·their
positions a~d reappraising the basic factors involved in'South Viet-Nam an~ their
significance for tr..e United States. · I suspect there will be a growing sea.rch for
alternatives in the feeling that, if we are not s~tisfied generally with the present .
situation, ·rrc should soe if we can not do batter. For these reasons_, I have taken for

my subject tonieht some ()f the alternatives in Viet-Nam. .

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I think that, before we can proceed ;nth a discussion of alternatives, ·~ must ask
OUrselves, alternatives to what? Presumably _we mean alternatives to tha course of action
.,.e are nou following - hence,. we need to agree at the
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S~ch agreement should not be hard to reach in spite of those ~6 say that they ·
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·d on't know ·what our present policy is. I take serious ~~nt with such statements
beca~se it seems to me our policy is clear and can be stated simply in one paragraph.
Our poli~ consists of an objective and a coheront strategy designed to obtain that
objective. And, furthermore, our objective has not varied since 1954. Three Presidents
and three Administrations have sta~ed it in essentially the same sense, although some-
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I take tonight for the statement of our objective President Johnson's words in
Baltimore in April, 1965 when he said, "Our objective is the independence of South
Viet-Nam and its freedom from attack. We want nothing for ourselves, only t~~t the
people in South Viot-Nam be allowed to guide their 01-m country in their own way." "r /
submit th'lt that is clear, ·it is unambiguous. In simple English, tt states that r~e t~cek l
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two things in South Viet-Nam, a cessation of the Communist-directed agp,rossion from NortE
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Viet-Nam ar,ainst South Viet-Nam, and the right of self-detennination for the people ot
South Viet-Nan • . These are not new principles of behavior; they have guided oUr foreign
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policy since vlorld vlar I in many political conflicts throughout the world. The ob-
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jective in Viet-Nam is not only simple and clear but it is limite~ in the s_ense that
it asks for no unconditional surrender, nothing which is vital to those who are promoti~

this aggression against the South. /

Now, i f we have identified the overall objective, what. is our strategy, how are we
trying .to attain our objective? Again, I think a simple ansHer will explain our efforts
i·Te are trying to do tHo things; first, He are trying to use graduat~d milit~ry force

" '.in order to protect the population of South Viet-Nam against. the .depredations and
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terrorist attacks of the guerrillas who for '
thirteen years have been trying to impose a
communist state on South Viet-Nam aganst the wishe~ of the vast majority of South
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people, they are tr,Ying to inflict m~imum losses ai,ainst the militar,y and paramilitary
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forces of the enemy in order to convince the leaders of Hanoi that no militar,y victo~

is possible for them.

That is the purpose of the military effort.
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important - it is to build a nation under extremely difficult situations. It is nation_.
building on the battlefield, nation-building under constant attack, nation-building to
include establishing a government comparable in ·form and concept to our idea of stable
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constitutional government. It includes protecting an ~ econany inherently fragile ard
always under the pressure of the inflationar,y forces of a war which has been going on
for thirteen years. And then, as security becomes greater as the result of the military
ouccess of our forces., it includes the restoration ~f the war-torn provinces,· nnd the .
. revival of some kind of normalcy of rural life in a countr,y which is essentially a
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The foregoing describes our overall objective and the strategy that we are follow-
. ing. Our hope is that, as this course of action succeeds, the leaders in Hanoi will be
forced to conclude that their efforts against the South can not _succeed, th.:lt the Vie_t
Cong guerrilla apparatus will dissolve and that the guerrillas will be ~ventually

absorbed into the society of South Viet-Nam or will be returned to North Viet-Nam. A·
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new nation will then arise iri South Viet-Nam comparable to ~he new nation that arose in
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criticism, many of us quite' properly will say if this is not the best v~y to do our
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business, if this is not the be3t course of action to protect the interests of the -
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United States and of our allies, what are the alternatives which offer greater promise?
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First, let me say what ~sn't an alternative • . It is not an alternative to say that
we should--keep out of a remote, insfgnificant country like South Viet-Nam. That might
have been an alternative in 1954, but is not in 1967. It does us no good to wring our
hands in regret over what we did in the past. Personally, I have no regret for most
past decisions of Viet-Nam policy but many peopl~~nd I can't dispute their right to
feel that way. But the point is that we are up to ~ur governmental neck in South Viet•
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Nam and it does no good to say we wish we weren't there, that we shouldn't be there. We .
are there, and the decision-makers of our Government must live with that fact and you and
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would say that the . slogans describing the four coursetor action which I consider the only•

real alternatives are: ~e, Pull Out; tt:lo, Pull Back; three, All Out; four, "Stick it
Out 11 , the cource we are net-T following. tr you will pennit me, letts take them in order
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and talk about the pros and cons of each.
Let's first talk about "Pull out." How exactly wo would go about pulline out of
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Viet-Nam if v~ decided to do so in a short period of time,
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French, however, found a ·1-1a.y. They elected · I1endes-France to the P.r emiershiP. in the
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summer of 1954 with a mandate tq get out of South Viet-Nam and he executed that mandate
by announcing that within one month he must have an agreement with the Communists for
French evacuation or he and his countrymen woul~ go home anyWay. This pell-mell dash
to the conference table resulted in the series of agreements which wore formalized in
19.54 in Vict ... Nam nrrl nt Genova which runountod to an ~to tm,I,j' ovor South Viet-N~
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propose to terminate our involvement in South Viet-Nam.

But assuming it can be done, let'o aok ourselveo what is the good, arid what is tho . j

bad, what are the pros and what are the cono of tho "Pull Out~" On the pro side, thoso I
who~ arGue for this case would ·say1 I think, that a Pull Out would stop this waste I
of our resources in South Viet-Nam '~ich runs into billions
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confined nuclear world of todny o.nd it rrould end tho intern11tionnl cr:tticif;m 1o~h:tch the
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United Statoo is receiving from mnrtr qunrtoro, gonornlly fran thooo d:intnnt countries
l-lhich feel far enough removed to be unaffected by the issues represented in South Viet-U
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woefully op1i.t today by the Viet-Nam issue, would be reunited upon the eliminatio-n of the
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hears for a Pull Out.
Now what are · the cons against the 11 Pull Out"? The obvious one is that it would be .
a resounding defeat for the United States foreign policy, the lowering of a flag which ha
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been nailed to the mast of our Asian policy, 1-lith nails .driven in by both Democratic
and Republican administrationso I call it a resounding defeat because it would resound
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throughout the world, not only through Asia but through Europe as well and through the
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United _States, the Halls of Congress and every element of our soci~ty- the . tidings
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that, for the first time· since becbming a world leader., the United States had
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a humiliating defeaV abroad.

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ccrtai~ly be aerious .and perhaps disastrous because it would register a victo~ for the
Go-called '11-lar of National Liberation" technique "1hich ha·s been proclaimed in Hanoi,

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This nc,., "-capon cons:lsts of tho twc of nubvcr:>ivo cuorrtlln wnri'nro 1io tunnel under the

dofcnsos of .wcak 1 non-Communist nations into tho heart of the citadel, u~ing tho Fifth ·

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don't knot.J for sure but certainly South Viet-Nam 't.zould soon become absorbed into North

Viet-Nam, an umdlling cDptivo oi' thnt Communist state. In this case, I would like to

call your attention to t-Jhat took place fran 1954 to 19,6 in North Viet-Nrun while Ho Chi .I
Ninh was conr.olidating his Communist state. Historians ostimut.c that at loact 50 1 000
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North Vietnamese wore executed_by: firing squads of the agrarian program

in North Viet-Nam and that many thousands more were sent to concentration camps. If

indeed we sacrificed our friends in South Viet-Nam to this ruthless gang in Hanoi, we
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could eXpect to witness a far greater bloodbath thanA we t.Jatchea in horror kl HungM7 in

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when -that nation is virtually impotent fran internal strife, the United States should

abandon the struggle in Viet-Nam? I t~uuld suspect that such conduct would greatly en-

courage the leaders who will emerge from the present turbulence to an increasingly

belligerent, aggressive attitude toward the Hestern H'orl~ _ in subsequent relattons.

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Viet-Nam, I frankly don't know. I think perhaps we can learn something !rom what

happened in France after the Hendes-France governmez:1t h<l:d tdthdra1-m from Viet-nam. The
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in pOilOr today. I d~ubt "1-Thether our Oim country could absorb such a defeat without
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G'W"-~ damat,;e to our gover:runental", ~olitical arrl soclal structure.

Fortunately, very feto~. ~f our citizens' have thus far publ~cly adyocated the "Pull
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certain reBi)octabillty _to propositions which in offoct l-lOllld amount to a "Pull Out"
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by adding qualifying phrases such as "Let's get out with honor" or "let's get out as

qutckly" as possible •" : . ..

So much then for the extreme case of the "Pull Out." v1hat may be said about that

second alternat:i.ve I mentioned, _the "Pull Back?" In this case 1 we do have many voicos

throughout the country which, in effect, are proposing a "Pull Back." A "Pull Back,"'

as I understand _it, _means a deescalation of som~ sort. Usually it means at least,

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fjround ~ction of our troops against the enemy"; sometimes it includes "Withhold sending _

reinforcements from _the United States to South Viet-Nam"; and sometimes extend_s to the ·
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s~-called ";tnclave" strate~. This latter carries with it -the connotation that not

only do we stop fig~ting but _we quit the -battlefield, withdraw into defensive areas~

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1·1hat are the pros· and cons of this "Bull Back" alternative? I think the proponents
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would argue something·- like this: _ A reduction of our military efforts would -tend to
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defuse the situation an~ _would take out same of the tension created by the armed confli
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which is going on at prese~t. They t'lould probably add that -it _would tend to encourage

an _atmosphere favorabl_e .t? negotiations which vtould eventuaily lead _to peace. Also,

ti1ey might.. poiiit out that it l·muld reduce the cost i~ dollars . and losses
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at least, and I thi* to many of those who share my vi~v1S 1 it is a self-iniposed .

stagnation of .a situatlon_v1hich is sh01-Jing dynamic progress~

Od.dly, . those Hho favor a "Pull B.ack'' often deny this progress and describe tho -

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which ,,ould assure complete stagnation - one created by ourselves. Beyond this con-
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sideration 1 it ~uuld mean the abandonment, at least in part, of the Vietnamese civil

populationwhich we !'lre trying to defend, and to which we are bringing security. It

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battlefield . .; lJOW. would they .feel? ..They would have 'a right to con::Jider themselves

abandoned and s'ta'rt looking for soma ~ray · to seek accommodation with the Conununist leaders·
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voluntarily pull back from the battlefield, that withdra~ml would seem to them a
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precursor of victory, and we would lose any chance of getting them to a negotiation table

in a frame of mind conducive to a solution reconcilable 1dth our objectives. ·

Now, we get to the third option 'Hpich was the "All Out" alternative, sometimes

phrased as: "Win quick or get out." This course of action places the emphasis on ··

military victory, on the utilization ot'more of our military strength faster and ldth
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. fewer ~cstrains, on the elimination of the gradualism,.. which we are applying ~ our

military strength. Implicit in . this alternative is an unlimited bombing policy in

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North Viet-Nam and some expansion of the ground war against the so-called

in the Demilitarized Zo~~~ in Cambodia or in iaqs. The expansion . ~ight extend

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Also, the propoi'lents of this alternative sometimes add:

"Let's declare war; let's
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Hha t aro the pros and cons of this · al tcrnativo? Again, I shall quote tho proponents

as I understand their arc;urnonta. They, I think, Hould Gay that thi~ alternative alla..rs '

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fast and docbi vely and hopefully to·· roach an early decision and thereby to cconanizo
thoso losses which result from a war of attrition; to utilize to tho .1\llleot all the
advant.nges \.rhich ,,u have ao a ercat induotrinl nation. On tho poycho1or,ical nino., the
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of the doubts, uncertainties and uneasiness that we feel about the present coUrse o~
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never been real~ united on tho Viet-Nam situation before and., thuo 1 we could attain
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success 'before our resolution flags. Many of\the proponents of this course of action
concerned over the question of our : long-te~ rccolution to stay with our un-
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congenial task in Viet-Nam and this concern inclines them to this drastic alternative.
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strength at higher levels of intensity implies that there are important targets remainin
to be destroyed, tangible things that we can hit. The unhappy fact is that we don't hav
many targets of that kind. On the ground, we have an elusive guerrilla enemy• Regard-
less of our strength in numbers, lro can not be sure at a given place and moment to find
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there are strong pr~cti~l · reasons for conserving the seat .of a government with which we
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deploy ~·for action. This means heavy increases in manpouer reqnirements, dollar

costs, and international r~sks. These considerations are sufficiently serious, I think,
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action. So, let's consider· 1mat we are present~i doing and see whether such a change. is
ne·cessary and justified.

Our present course of ~ction, the "Stick It Out" alternative, has its pros and cons

·like the· oth~rs. On the pro side, I -would say that it has the advantage of clear e.v iden

that it is succeeding, that significant progress is being made. On the tactical battle-
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political front, progress has been particularly notable and I r/Ould like to comment upon

it at some length~en I 1-ms in Viet-Nam as Ambassador in 1964...65, I had the dubious

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privilege of dealing with five different governments in that one year. The turbulence i

internal politics after the overthrow of Diem l-Ias the most discouraging factor of that

difficult period. Since my departure - not necessarily because of my departure I hope

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- there has been continuous political progress toward stability in resp~nse to the

demand of the people for· a legitiffiate constitutionai government. On the road to

constitutionality, fturing the past y~ar tho South Vietnamese have had five general

elections reru lting in the choice of a constitution, a constitutional president, a

senate and a houso of representatives. '

. ·..took us from 1776 to

I like to remind all of my American fellow citizens that it

1789, aided by the vast experience of the Founding Fathers to accomplis~ such a transitit
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to ·s table constitutional government. Yet, this littl~ people with no background or

p_olitical experience, under conditions incredi~ly difficult, has in three years of war-

fare reached the point where t}Jcy ln ve, at lea~t, made a beeinning of constitutional

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Another indication of 'progress is the -increased proportion of tho population secure
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both. The fact is that we have had no such collision and I think the indicators ver,y

. much f~vor the view tha~ the r~sk, if ~ is

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sorrows and burdens which this conflict has caused among our people, as a nation we

remaind~ comparatively untouched by the effects of war. vle are hav~ng our guris and

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them on all sides. Many· of you will voice them in replying, "General, you say wo' r~
making progress but. we're not making progress fast enough. It's far too slow. You

ca·nt t tell us when it is going to end. There is no light at the end of the tunnel.
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"Furthermore, General, here at home it. is hard to' explain tl'rl:s wa~. He don't under...

stand it. No one has ever told , us ~J:y mat the real issues are. · This gradualism you

have talked about, this progressive use of military force we have~' never known in our

·past. It contradicts our military history; it ~ontradicts our national temperament.

As a result, this policy is losing domestic support and will eventually collapse in
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So there "We have them, ladies and gentlemen, the pros and cons of four different
~lternatives. I don't know how they impress you but, as I see them, none ia attractive
without reservations and all are subject to objections of varying shades of gravity.
pull out or to pull back amounts to the abandonment of the basic objective which we
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that objective we would .lnve to accept the bitter consequences of ~~ defeat.
The "All Out" alternative, the military solution, retains tho basic objective but
puts main reliance upon the effectiveness o~ oven~helming military force. The course
we are now on, tho "Stick It Out" alternative, retains the objective and continues to
adhere to a balanced str~tegy in · spite of the evidence of gro-vrl.ng public impatience
and loss of popular support • .
In the light of all these considerations, 'What do. you think we should do? Hould
you change our policy and 1 i f so 1 which way would you go? If any change is made, it

. should be done _•d.th a · clear ~ecognition. that no cha~e is "for free'.'J that a~y change
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SPECIAL FACILITIES DIVISION

Minutes, January 11, 1968

Attending:
Mr. B. T. Gallagher, Chairman Mr. James Mason
Mr. W. Lee Collins Mr. Charles Miller
Dr. Michael Donahoe Mr. Charles Moore
Mr. Thomas Gibson Mr. David Moses
~: James S. Hafer Dr. Lehman Nickell
Mr. Thomas Hagan Mr. Frederick ]:. ..:Richmond
Mr. Walter Handy Mr. Max A. Rutzick
Mr. Thomas McEwan Mr. Douglas Stone
Mr. Walter McEldowney Mr. G. H. C. Tredick
Mr. John Mcintire _Dr. Isaac Zigler

The meeting was held in the Main Briefing Room. to allow for the showing of a
documentary film titled "SL-1. " This is an Atomic Energy Commission film
detailing the events leading up to the nuclear accident in the Atomic Reactor
at Arco, Idaho, through the actual accident, and for a period six months follow-
ing. A number of guests were present for the viewing.

The Chairman made the following announcements:

1. The IEPC Meeting will be held here on February 13; gave resume'
of agenda.

2. A tour of the Nuclear Reactor at Fort Belvoir is being set up for all
interested parties.

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SPECIAL FACILITIES DIVISION

Minutes, January 18, 1968

Attending:
Mr. J. Leo Bourassa, Chairman Mr. Thomas McEwan
Mr. Claude Ashby Mr. Charles Miller
Lt. Col. Robert Boyles, II Mr. Charles Moore
Mr. W. Lee Collins Mr. Alexander Muir
Mr. Thomas Gibson Dr. Lehman Nickell
Mr. George Grace Mr. Max Rutzick
~James Hafer Mr. Wilbur Scarborough
Mr. Thomas Hagan Major E. L. Shippers
Mr. Walter Handy Mr. Douglas Stone
Mr. John Larson Mr. Paul Sundberg
Mr. Terence McCracken Mr. G. H. C. Tredick
Mr. Walter McEldowney Dr. Isaac Zigler

Mr. Collins conducted the weekly Intelligence Briefing.

The Chairman made the following announcements:

1. No briefings are scheduled for the remainder of this month. A visitor

is scheduled to meet with the SFD Staff to discuss the new configuration
of the Bomb Alarm System.

2. Mr. Gallagher is currently attending a meeting at NORAD. He will

brief the FAR'S next week on his visit.

3. An IEPC Meeting will be held here on February 13. A tentative agenda

was distributed to the FAR'S and discussed. Mr. Larson stated he felt
the agenda was unrealistic and should be revised. His major concern is
that events start too early and terminate too late in the day. Mr. McEwan
asked if the scheduled bus transportation should provide for bus stops at
certain places along the way. The S FD Staff will look into this.

4. The SFD Compendium of the Operational Plan is available to the FAR'S

immediately after the meeting. Mr. Bourassa explained the reason for
the Compendium and what it is designed to do.

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5. Mr. John J. O'Neill, Chief, Government Readiness Division, is in the

hospital, having been operated on earlier this week. He is expected
to remain in the hospital for another ten days or two weeks.

6. A study by DHEW on age brackets of permanent and cadre personnel

has been made. Dr. Zigler agreed to put on a briefing of this study
for the FAR'S at a future meeting.

Mr. McEwan asked if the pneumatic tube system could be extended. The Chairman
explained the background of the system and stated that, for reasons primarily of
cost, any further extension is extremely doubtful.

Majo..: Shippers explained briefly the new Automatic Message Entry System (AMES)
that is being installed here. It was suggested, and he agreed, that a demonstration
of the system will be given the FAR'S as soon as feasible.

Mr. Handy, referring to Dr. Zigler's question at the last FAR Meeting of the benefit
gained from participation in CCPX's, stated that a week ago he would. have raised the
same question; however, since last week, he had visited his EOF and watched the
personnel engaged in the exercise. It was his view and the view of those personnel
who participated that the experience and practice was very beneficial.

All of the WAE 's with one exception have been cleared and are engaged in train.ing
for Message Center assignments. This has increased our emergency capabilities
significantly.

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SPECIAL FACILITIES DIVISION

Minutes, January 25, 1968·

Attending:
Mr. J. Leo Bourassa, Chairman Mr. Walter McEldowney
Mr. Claude Ashby Mr. Thomas McEwan
Mr. Nathan Barrey Mr. John Mcintire
Lt. Col. Robert Boyles, II Mr. Charles Miller
Mr. W. Lee Collins Mr. Charles Moore
Mr. Bernard T. Gallagher Mr. David Moses
Mr. Thomas Gibson Dr. Lehman Nickell
Mr. James Hafer Mr. Max Rutzick
Mr. Thomas Hagan Mr. Joseph Sahm
Mr. Walter Handy Mr. Douglas Stone
Mr. John Larson Mr. G. H. C. Tredick
Mr. Terence McCracken Mr. Harold C. Wood, Sr.

The Chairman made the following announcements:

1. No tours are scheduled for the remainder of January; two tours are
tentatively scheduled for February.

2. Dr. Coker has announced his retirement effective March 18.

3. The NRAC move is still in the process of coordination.

4. Dr. Zigler's presentation of the Age Group Study will be made next week.

5. Representatives of Western Union met with some of the SFD Staff to

discuss modifications of the Bomb Alarm System. It is hoped that all
modifications will be completed for operational use within a year.

The Chairman introduced Mr. Gallagher who gave a briefing on the NORAD NBC
Data Standardization Conference he attended January 16- 19, 1968. A discussion
ensued following the briefing.

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Mr. Miller (Post Office) announced he would be on leave for the next three weeks.
He also stated that he had discussed with his Agency the subject of a replacement
for him when he retires. The Chairman stated that OEP was concerned about
agency representation and that this problem was being discussed on a higher
level by our office downtown.

Mr. Handy suggested that "in-house" exercises should be held in order to test
many of the organizations and procedures that were not tested because of the
cancellation of REX. There was general agreement with this suggestion and the .
Chairman stated that such "in-house" exercises are contemplated and would be
held if possible. Mr. Handy also expressed concern over the new DEFCORD
System and equipment that is supposed to become operational in May. He feels
that the present system and equipment operates well. He felt that the agencies
should have been included in discussions before the decision to adopt the system
had been made. Based on the information he has on the system at this time, there
appears to be little if any advantage in adopting a new system. He asked the FAR's
to bring this matter to the attention of their Defense Coordinators. The Chairman
suggested the matter be referred to Mr. John O'Neill in the Government Readiness
Office.

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SPECIAL FACILITIES DNISION

Minutes, February 1, 1968

Attending:
Mr. J. Leo Bourassa, Chairman Mr. Walter McEldowney
Mr. Claude Ashby Mr. Thomas McEwan
Lt. Col. Robert Boyles, II Mr. Charles Moore
Mr. W. Lee Collins Mr. Alexander Muir
Mr. Bernard T. Gallagher Dr. Lehman Nickell
Mr. Thomas Gibson Mr. Max Rutzick
Mr. George Grace Mr. Wilbur Scarborough
Mr. James Hafer Maj. E. L. Shippers
Mr. Thomas Hagan Mr. Douglas Stone
'' • Mr. Walter Handy Mr. G. H. C. Tredick
Mr. 1ohn Larson Mr. Paul Sundberg
Mr. Terence McCracken Dr. Isaac Zigler

The Chairman made the following announcements:

1. A group from DEPTAR MAIN, headed by Major General McCaffrey,

will visit on February 15 for briefing and tour.

2. Information on the IEPC Agenda for the February 13 Meeting was provided.

Dr. Zigler made a presentation of the Public Health Study on "Age Group of
Population Assigned to SFD." A discussion ensued.

Mr. Bourassa announced his resignation from OEP effective March 1, 1968.
He thanked the FAR'S for their cooperation and support of many years with the
Special Facilities Division.

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SPECIAL FACILITIES DNISION

Minutes, February 8, 1968

Attending:
Mr. J. Leo Bourassa, Chairman Mr. George Lynn
Lt. Col. Robert Boyles, ll Mr. John Mcintire
Mr. W. Lee Collins Mr. Charles Moore
Mr. John Devlin Mr. Alexander Muir
Mr. William Elder Dr. Lehman Nickell
Mr. B. T. Gallagher Mr. Max Rutzick
Mr. Thomas Gibson Maj. E. L. Shippers
Mr. James Hafer Mr. Jerome Votel
Mr. Thomas Hagan Mr. Harold C. Wood, Sr.
Mr. James Killough Mr. William Wright
Mr. John Larson Dr. Isaac Zigler

The Chairman made the following announcements:

1. Mr. William C. Truppner, Director, NRAC, will be given a briefing

and tour at 10:45 this morning. He will meet with the FAR's at
12:30.

2. IEPC Meeting will be held here February 13. Bus will leave Winder
Building at 7:30a.m. and travel to SFD without any stops.

3. Gov. Price Daniel, Director, OEP, will visit on February 15 and

meet with the FAR's during his visit.

4. Col. Blake (USAF) will present a special briefing on March 7.

An AEC film entitled "The Day Tomorrow Began" was shown.

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SPECIAL FACILITIES DIVISION

Minutes, February 15, 1968

Attending:

Mr. J. Leo Bourassa, Chairman Mr. John Mcintire

Mr. Claude Ashby Mr. Charles Moore
Mr. W. Lee Collins Mr. David Moses
Mr. Thomas Gibson Dr. Lehman Nickell
Mr. James Hafer Mr. Max Rutzick
Mr. Thomas Hagan Mr. Joseph Sahm
Mr. John Larson Mr. Douglas Stone
Mr. Walter McEldo:wney Mr. G. H. C. Tredick
Mr. Thomas McEwan Dr. Isaac Zigler

The Chairman made the following announcements:

1. The IEPC Meeting last Tuesday, February _13, was supported by t h i s /

staff and conducted by Gov . Peabody.

2. The visit of the Director of .OEP scheduled for today has been post-
poned due to the illness of Mr. Phillips. The visit is rescheduled
for February 21.

3. General McCaffrey and a group from Carlisle Barracks will visit on

February 20 for a briefing and tour.

Mr. Larson asked if any further information had been received on the data bank
study suggested by Mr. Truppner. A long and vigorous discussion ensued concern-
ing_the study and other related topics, i.e., NRAC programs.

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Minutes, February 29, 1968

Attending:
Mr. J. Leo Bourassa, Chairman Mr. Walter McEldowney
Mr. W. Lee Collins Mr. John Mcintire
Mr. William Elder Mr. Charles Miller
Mr. Arthur Frey Mr. Charles Moore
Mr. B. T. Gallagher Mr. David Moses
Mr. James Hafer Mr. Alexander Muir
Mr. Thomas Hagan Mr. Wilbur Scarborough
Mr. Walter Handy · Mr. Douglas Stone
Mr. John Larson Mr. G. H. C. Tredick
Mr. Terence McCracken Major Frank Yon
Dr. Isaac Zigler

Mr. Collins gave the Intelligence Briefing.

Mr. Gallagher made the following announcements:

1. Col. Blake, USAF, will present a briefing at the FAR Meeting next week.

2. HUD is scheduled for a visit, briefing, and tour on March 27. ·

3. A trip to Ft. Belvoir to visit the Nuclear Reactor has been arranged
for the FAR'S on March ~1. Details will be provided later regarding
transportation, etc.

Mr. Miller, PO, announced that the Truppner Committee Report is due in April.

Mr. Bourassa thanked all of the FAR'S for the cooperation and support they had
provided him as Chief, Special Facilities Division, over the years. He extended
them an invitation to visit him at Smith Mountain Lake.

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SPECIAL FACILITIES DIVISION

Minutes, March 7, 1968

Attending:
Mr. B. T. Gallagher, Chairman Mr. Terence McCracken
Mr. Claude Ashby Mr. Thomas McEwan
Mr. Nathan Barrey Mr. Charles Miller
Lt. Col. Robert Boyles, II Mr. John Mills
Mr. John W. Chesley Mr. Charles Moore
Mr. W. Lee Collins Mr. David Moses
Mr. William Elder Mr. Alexander Muir
Mr. Thomas Gibson Mr. Max Rutzick
Mr. James Hafer Mr. Paul Sundberg
Mr. Thomas Hagan Mr. G. H. C. Tredick
Mr. Walter Handy Mr. William Wright
Mr. William J. Harrison Major Frank Yon
Mr. John Larson Dr. Isaac Zigler

The Chairman made the following announcements:

1. Arrangements have been made for the visit to Fort Belvoir on Thursday,
March 21. Transportation will leave the east parking lot, Area A, at
0730. Agencies are requested to provide names of those going by
March 14.

2. Coffee will be served in Building 435, Area A, at 2 p.m. on Wednesday,

March 13, in honor of Dr. Joseph Coker who is retiring March 18.

Mr. Gallagher introduced Lt. Col. Raymond Blake, USAF, who briefed on U. S. Air
Force Disaster Operations. A question and answer discussion followed the presentation.

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SPECIAL FACILITIES DIVISION

Minutes, March 14, 1968

Attending:
Mr. James S. Hafer, Chairman Mr. Thomas Hagan
Mr. Claude Ashby Mr. Thomas McEwan
LTC Robert Boyles, II Mr. Charles Miller
Mr. W. Lee Collins Mr. Charles Moore
Mr. John Devlin Dr. Lehman Nickell
Mr. William Elder Mr. Wilbur Scarborough
Mr. Thomas Gibson Maj. E. L. Shippers
Mr. G. H. C. Tredick

The Chairman made the following announcements:

1. Mr. Gallagher is in Washington for the Interagency Emergency Planning

Committee Meeting.

2. Coffee will be served at future FAR Meetings, and there will be increased
emphasis on briefings and participation by outsiders in various formats.

3. Dr. Zigler has copies for distribution to FAR'S of the Civil Service
Commission publication, "Recognizing and Supervising Troubled
Employees. "

4. There will be a briefing at 11 a.m. today for Mr. Handy and Treasury
. Department party, to which others are invited.

5. State Department briefing and tour is scheduled for March 19.

6. There will be a coffee for Mr. Wright on March 20.

7. The monthly CCPX will be held on March 19 - 20.

LTC Boyles briefed the FAR'S on transportation arrangements for the Fort Belvoir
trip on March 21 .

Mr. Moore suggested that MCL personnel be re-invited to attend future FAR Meetings.

Mr. Miller presented a briefing and showed slides covering his recent trip to South
America. MCL personnel were invited to and attended his presentation.

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 FEDERAL AGENCY REPRESENTATIVES MEETING
SPECIAL F AGILITIES DIVISION

Minutes, April 4, 1968

Attending:

Mr. B. T. Gallagher, Chairman Mr. Charles Moore

Mr. W. Lee Collins Dr. -Lehman Nickell
Mr. James Hafer Mr. Max R utzick
Mr. Thomas Hagan Mr. Douglas Stone
Mr. Walter Handy Mr. G. H. C. Tredick
Mr. John Larson Maj. Frank Yon
Mr. Charles Miller

Mr. Collins conducted the weekly intelligence briefing.

The Chairman made the . following announcements;

1. Tours have been scheduled for --

Assistant Secretary of Army O'Neal and party of seven for Aprill2.

Industrial College of the Armed Forces for April 19.

2. There will be a communications conference on April 25.

3. PHS cadre members will visit on April 18 and 23.

I 4. Discussions are being held with the goal of developing a unified
medical physical examination policy for permanent employees.

I 5. The telephone console in the Main Briefing Room will be removed ·

without lowering the communications capability and at a considerable
saving of funds.

I 6. The Weather Bureau detachment is getting new facsimile equi pment,

ALDEN machines.

7. Work on renovating the OIPC to receive bomb alarm system

modifications has be gun.

8. BOQ' s in Area A, particularly Building 211, will be declared

adequate according to Joint Travel Regulations for per diem p u rposes.

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9. The MCL move to We stgate has been postponed until J -,. me 10.
Courier service will be changed at that time.

10. There will be no " summer employees 11 this year.

11. Trips to NORAD and to Ft. Ritchie for FAR 1 s may be arranged
if enough response is received.

Maj. Yon discussed d etails of the communications conference.

There was a concluding discussion of the proposed new physical

examination policy.

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. UN.ITED STATES GOVERNMENT

Memorandum ·
TO Those Listed Below April 15, 1968

.FROM Bernard T. Gallagher, Acting Chief

Special Facilities Division, OEP

SUBJEer: Scheduling of Federal Agency Representat!ves' Meetings

The Federal Agency Representatives' meeting for this week will be

held Thursday the 18th at Z p.m. Due to the Communications Officers'
Conference, next week's meeting will be held Wednesday the Z4th
at 10 a.m.

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Bernard T. Gallagher, Acting Chief

TO: COL James E . Barrett·

LTC Robert M. Bo.y les, II
Dr. Michael T. Donahoe
Mr. William E. Elder
Mr. Thomas L. Gibson
Mr. Thomas W. Hagan Information copy to:
Mr. Walter K. Handy Mr. Gordon B. Gdmwood
Mr. John C. Lar~on Mr. Harold C. Wood, Sr.
Mr. J. Terence McCracken
Mr. Walter H. McEldowney
Mr. C. Wayne Miller
Mr. Charles F. Moore
Mr. Alexander F. Muir
Dr. Lehman P. Nickell
Mr. Max A. Rutzick
Mr. John W. H. Spencer -
Mr. B. Douglas Ston~
Mr. G. H. C. Tredick
Dr. Stanley Winkler
Dr. Isaac M. Zigler

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SPECIAL FACILITIES DIVISION

Minutes, April 18, 1968

Attending:
Mr. B. T. Gallagher, Chairman Mr. Charles Miller
Mr. William Elder . Mr. Charles Moore
Mr. Arthur Frey Dr. Lehman Nickell
Mr. Thomas Gibson Mr. Max Rutzick
Mr. James Hafer Mr. Douglas Stone
Mr. Thomas Hagan Mr. G. H. C. ·Tredick
Mr. William Harrison Mr. Jerome Vote!
Dr. Isaac Zigler

The Chairman announced the following visits:

April 19 LTG George R. Mather, Commanding General, Third Corps,

U. S. Army, who will head the new directorate for civil
disturbances for the Department of Defense

April 19 Industrial College of the Armed Forces

April 22 BG William H. Birdsong, Chief, Joint War Games Agency,

with JCS briefing team

April 23 Gov. Price Daniel, Director, Office of Emergency Planning

April 23 BG F. P. Koisch, Division Engineer, North Atlantic Division,

Corps of Engineers, New York City

The Chairman led a discusSion of transportation requirements of Federal Agency

Representatives for the NRAC meeting in Washington on April 19. Mr. Frey took
names and other data for the trip. In the future a system of transportation will be
worked out for FAR'S to attend the meetings.

Mr. Elder introduced Mr. Harrison, his successor, effective July 1.

Mr. Vote! disclosed some additional details of the Communications Conference to be

held April 25, and announced those wishing to attend the conference dinner at the
Ponderosa ($5 a person) should make reservations.

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SPECIAL FACILITIES DNISION

Minutes, April 24, 1968

Attending:
Mr. B.. T. Gallagher, Chairman Mr. Walter McEldowney
LTC Robert Boyles, II Mr. John Mcintire
Mr. W. Lee Collins Mr. Charles Miller
Mr. Thomas Gibson Dr. Lehman Nickell
Mr .. James Hafer Mr. Max Rutzick
Mr. Thomas Hagan MAJ Frank Yon
Mr. John Larson

Mr. Collins conducted the weekly Intelligence Briefing.

The Chairman-·

1. Reviewed the visit by Gov. Price Daniel, Director of OEP, on April 23.

2. Discussed an Attack Analysis meeting in the Pentagon continuing this week.

3. Announced an SFD briefing for an NRAC party and an OEP Administration

Office group would be held at conclusion of the FAR Meeting.

Mr. Hafer reviewed briefly discussions at a site planning board meeting Monday.

MAJ Yon outlined the planning for the Communications Conference on April 25. He
also announced a visit by MG Walter E. Lotz, Commanding General, Strategic
Communications Command, on May'l-..

Mr. Miller and other FARS requested an improved method of transfer of classified
material in the OEP Mail Room. The Chairman said he would take the matter up with
the OEP Director of Administration, Mr. Rice.

The Chairman, responding to a question concerning the Committee on Agency Repres~nta­

tio~ to SFD, stated that he had no first hand knowledge of the current status.

Mr. McEldowney reported on an IEPC subcommittee discussion April 23 on care of

dependents in an emergency. He reviewed a briefing for benefit of Gov. Peabody,
Assistant Director of OEP, and said there would be another report on the recent OEP
paper on the subject at the next IEPC Meeting.

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SPECIAL F AGILITIES DIVISION

Minutes, May 2, 1968

Mr. B. T. Gallagher, Chairman Mr. Thomas McEwan

Mr. Claude Ashby Mr. Reg Morrison
Mr. Nathan Barrey Mr. Charles Miller
LTC Robert M. Boyles, II Dr. Lehman Nickell
Mr. Thomas Hagan Mr. Max R utzick
Mr. John Larson Mr. Douglas Stone
Mr. Walter McEldowney Mr. Ben Tennyson

The Chairman advised that in view of the issuance of Federal Emergency

Plan D, all copies of Federal Emergency Plan D-M i nus and related
documents and all copies of previous drafts of Federal Emergency
Plan D should now be de strayed.

The Chairman announced the following visits: ·

May 8 - Public Health Service

May 15 - Department of Health, Education and Welfare.

The Chairman said that it was planned for the OEP Group B Augmentees
to SFD to be here May 14 for briefings and training.

LTC Boyles explained the operation of the new cooling towers, designed
to save water, which would be constructed in Area A.

Mr. Morrison reported on the telephone strike and said there would be
no interruption in service.

Mr. Rutzick raised a question about admission of noncadre personnel

for purpose of review of records. The Chairman outlined the requirements
and procedures for the Federal agencies to follow in officially making this
request.

The Chairman reiterated that adequate Government quarters are furnished

at SFD under Joint Travel Regulations. Agency representatives would have
to check their individual agency policies to determine if this would have any
effect on their. TDY Per Diem rates.

Mr. Miller asked about possibility of transportation of FAR's to a meeting

in DOD on the Postattack Nuclear Study. The Chairman said he would
discuss the matter further. (The decision was later made to approve
transportation, if available, for this type activity.)

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Mr. Tenny!ion reported on the Communications Conference of

April 25.

Mr. McEldowney requested a conference with USAICA on revised

procedures for OCD alerting on the new DEFCORD system, when
completed. Mr. Tennyson said there would be a meeting on it.

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SPECIAL FACILITIES DNISION

Minutes, May 9, 1968

Attending:
Mr. B. T. Gallagher, Chairman Mr. John Mcintire
Mr. Claude Ashby Mr. Charles Miller
COLJames E. Barrett Mr. Charles Moore
Mr. W. Lee Collins Mr. David Moses
Mr. William Elder Mr. Alexander Muir
Mr. Thomas Gibson Dr. Lehman Nickell
Mr. Thomas Hagan Mr. A. L. A. Patti
Mr. Walter Handy Mr. Max Rutzick
Mr. William Harrison Mr. Joseph Sahm
Mr. John Larson Mr. G. H. C. Tredick
Mr. Walter McEldowney Dr. Isaac Zigler
Mr. Thomas McEwan

The Chairman made the following announcements:

1. Government vehicles will be available for transportation to NRAC meetings

downtown but government drivers cannot be furnished. All drivers will
have to obtain permits from Corps of Engineers to drive government vehicles.

2. The OE.P Group B Augmentees' visit, previously announced for May 14, has
been reset for May 20.

3. Plan D copies at SFD have been exhausted; FARS should request their
agencies to supply additional copies. Plan Cis under revision.

The Chairman also listed these visits:

May 15 Department of Health, Education and Welfare

June 10 Department of Transportation with Secretary Boyd heading the group.

Following a discussion of whether NRAC library and maps should be moved from SFD,
the Chairman said he . would investigate the matter further.

Mr. Patti briefed on the schedule of tests and exercises through 1970 and detailed various
aspects of the planning. Classified minutes of the presentation will be sent to the FARS
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Mr. Larson questioned the caliber of the TV programs in the Cafeteria during the
lunch period. The Chairman agreed and said use of TV in the Cafeteria will hereafter
be restricted.

Mr. Handy said he had difficulty calling from Dallas to SFD on FTS. COL Barrett
explained the cause of this problem. Since it appeared that some of the Federal
Agency Representatives' telephone cards were out of date, the Chairman announced
that current cards wo~ld be distributed later in the day.

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Minutes, May 16, 1968

Attending:
Mr. James Hafer, Chairman Mr. Walter McEldowney
Mr. Claude Ashby Mr. Thomas McEwan
LTC Robert Boyles, II Mr. Charles Moore
Mr. W. Lee Collins Mr. Alexander Muir
Mr. Thomas Gibson Dr. Lehman Nickell
Mr. Thomas Hagan Mr. Wilbur Scarborough
Mr. John Larson Mr. Harold. C. Wood, Sr.
MAJ Frank Yon

Mr. Collins gave the Intelligence Briefing.

The Chairman made the following announcements:

1. Correction to last week's minutes: Mr. Larson did not question

the quality of television programs in the Cafeteria; his only concern
was the one o'clock news program.

2. A briefing and tour will be held Saturday, Ma.y 18, for the newly
designated Acting Deputy Director of OEP, Mr. Mordecai M. Merker.
Representatives of USAICA and WV AO reported that their supporting
personnel have been notified and are ready.

3. On Monday, May 20, the Group B Augmentees will be here for a seminar
in the morning and a small in-house exercise in the afternoon. The
Chairman expressed hope that in the future more in-house exercises
could be held with FAR participation.

4. On Tuesday, May 28, a briefing and tour will be held for members· of
the National Academy of Sciences.

5. Transportation to NRAC Staff Meetings will be provided from the Special

Facilities Division if NRAC requests the transportation and if vehicles
are available.

The Federal Ag.e ncy Representatives who attended the Resource Evaluation meeting
on Tuesday, May 14, reported they felt that a member of the OEP/SFD staff should
attend these meetings. The next scheduled meeting is to be held in the Winder Bt1Uding
on May 29 at ten o'clock.

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 FEDERAL AGENCY REPRESENTATIVES MEETING
SPECIAL FACILITIES DIVISION

Minutes, May 23, 1968

Attending:
Mr. B. T. Gallagher, Chairman Mr. Thomas McEwan
Mr. Claude Ashby Mr. John Mcintire
LTC Robert M. Boyles, II Mr. Charles Miller
Mr. W. Lee Collins Mr. Charles Moore
Dr. Michael Donahoe Dr. Lehman Nickell
Mr. Thomas Gibson Mr. Max Rutzick
Mr. Thomas Hagan Mr. Wilbur Scarborough
Mr. Walter Handy Mr. Benjamin E. Tennyson
Mr. John Larson Mr. G. H. C. Tredick
Mr. Walter McEldowney Dr. Isaac Zigler

The Chairman made the following announcements:

1. Briefings and tours scheduled:

May 28 National Academy of Sciences

May 29 Public Health Service

June 5 State Department

2. A briefing and tour was held Saturday, May 18, for Mr. M. M .. Merker,
Acting Deputy Director, OEP.

3. The transcript of Mr. Patti's briefing here on May 9 was sent to him for
editing on May 10 and as yet we have not received his corrected copy.
It will be distributed to the FAR'S as soon as it is made available.

4. After the scheduled MCL move to Westgate, those people remaining here
and desiring office space in Area A will be consolidated in Building 429.
LTC Boyles requested that any on-site moves resulting from the MCL
move to Westgate be coordinated with the WV AO Office. He also announced
the schedule for the Westgate move will be June 8 and 9. The Chairman
requested that Buildings 405 and 430 be vacated by the end of June.

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The Chairman queried the members as to the:lr wanting copies of the different
military exercise messages. It was brought out that the DEFCON messages
pertaining to these exer_c ises are made available by OCD. It was generally
agreed that ~is was sufficient. ·

. The Chairman again made the offer to see if he could get free air transportation
to NORAD for those FAR'S interested in visiting the installation there. The only
cost for the trip to the individual agencies would be for their personal per diem.
Those interested are to inform Chief, SFD, by May 30.
Mr. John Mcintire gave a briefing on the coming CDEX-68 exercise • . A transcript
of his briefing will be distributed to the members. After questions on CDEX-68
were answered he also entertained questions regarding USAF Postattack Reconnais-
sance •

. Mr. Handy thanked everyone involved in the impromptu briefing on May 22 that
was arranged for Mr. Greenlee of the Treasury Department.

Mr. Moore announced that Defense Commissioner Lee Loevinger has completed
his term of office.

Mr. McEldowney announced that Mr. Joe Romm is now the Director of Civil Defense~
. (The Acting has been removed.)

Following a discussion on the courier schedules, the Chairman said he would investi-
gate the matter further.

_As a result of the general feeling that the MCL Library and map collection should
remain here, the Chairman asked the members for supporting facts to use in present...:
ing this matter. Much discussion followed. Mr. McEwan expressed the need to have
a complete set of Resource File listings here on site, as the only set that was available
is being moved to the EOBA Winder Building. It was pointed out that if the computers
become inoperative, damage assessment cannot be done without this information. The
Chairman announced he would look into the matter and see if a set could be kept here
in Area B.

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CDEX-68 DRIEFI~G TOFARS

·-·- -- - -~~~~ ~- ~~ ~ ·.·. ~-___by JO~~ _ MCINTIRE, OCD

MAY 23 ·, 1963 /

GENERAL •
CDEX- 68, NHICH WILL RU~ CONCURR~!'i '( \H'fH HIGH HEELS 63 • IS

.BEING PLANNEil AS A FEuERAL LEVEL EXERCISE OXLY. WE \'liLL BB

CONSIDERING ACTIONS T.iL\T NEUD TO .BE l"AKEN DURING A

DETERIORATING INTERNATIONAL SITUATIO:-; AND ~HLL SI~IU~AXP :~

STATE LEVEL ACTIO.'iS AT THE FEDERAL REGIOi\AL CENTERS. WE WILL,

IN ADDITIO:l, ATTEHPT TO EXPOSE PRO.BLE~lS ASSOCIATED ~ITli CO:-.iTINUITY

OF OPERATIO~S AT llOTH NATIONAL AND FEDERAL REGIONAL CE);TERS.

FEDERAL

BECAUSE OF THESE LIHITED OilJECTIV~S. OUR PARTICIPATION WILL

ALSO BE LIMITED TO SELECTED OCD STAFF A~~D THOSE FEDERAL

AGENCIES \-1110 ll-\V.fi HAJOR CIVIL .DEF~NSE RESPONSIBILITIES ASU

HAVH A DESIRE TO EXERCISE THOSE RESPONSiiHLITIES AT THIS TH·tc.

.,
. ' STATE

THERE WILL BE NO ACTIVli STATE OR LOCAL PARTICIPATION; HOi'lEYER, .

STATE CIVIL D:GF.E~'SE DIRECTORS AND ADJUTANTS GF.~EJ.AL WILL BE

INVITED TO PARTICIPATE AT OUR FEDERAL REGIONAL CE~4TERS TO

PROVIDE CONTROL AND SH'iULATiml OF STATE A.'iD LOCAL ACTIONS

IN THE PiillATTACK PERIOD.

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?.ULI'TARY
!HLITARY PARTICIPATION_. EITHER I.NDEPENDE:--;T OF OR IN :•fiLITARY

SUPPORT OF CIVIL DEFENSE ACl'IYITlbS .. HAS NOT YET BEEN

,. .
DETER:.fl:~ED. OCD IS PROPOSING THAT MILITARY SUPPORT ACTIVITIES
TAKE PLACE AT NATIONAL AND REGIO~~AL LEVELS ONLY. SPECIFIC

AR!WiGE1·U.:N'fS ARE TO lH! WO!UOJO ou·r LATER WITH THOSE RESPOUSIBLll

FOR ~tiLITARY SUPPORT OF CIVIL DEFENSE. THERE WILL BE NO

ACTIVE HILITARY SUPPORT PLAY BHLOil TilE FEDERAL REGIO!'JAL LEVEL.

PREATTACK
OUR E.HPHASIS AGAIN THIS YEAR i'HLL BB ON PREATTACK ACTIONS

AT BOTH NATIONAL AND REGIONAL LEVELS APPROPRIATE· TO !:-;CREASING

THE READINESS OF FEDERAL :\.'iD STATE OPERATIO:'iS CENTERS. WE
1'/ILL CONSIDZR THil STATUS OF REAlHN.ESS AND THE POTENTIAL PROBLE:I.S

AS SOC IA'fEU THHRmHTH TUA'f CAN BE llH~:n IF 1 ED AT THE ~tAJOR

METROPOLITAN AREA LEVEL. THESE CONSIDERATIONS i'IILL BE BASED

ON iNFO!UL\TION THAT WOULD 13E AVAILABLE TO STATE OFFICIALS AT
SUCH A POINT IN l'HlE. tiE WILL ALSO, THROUGH THE USE OF

SCRIPTED INPUTS, CONCERN OURSELVES A!·\0 STATE LEVEL CONTROLLERS

\H'IH ACTIONS RELATED TO SI:.!ULATED PUBLIC RESPO?~SES AND
HNOL v.c:.umr.

•
ATTACK
DURI:JG TiiE ATTACK PERIOD ~E EXPECT TO HAVE A S~·1ALL SEG~·fcNt

OF OUR EHf;RGEXCY STAFF ReLOCATE TO ACCm!PLISH DA:.tAGE REPORTH1G

NECl!SSARY TO SUPPORT DEPARTHE•'ir OF AR ~·tY A~U) JOINT CHIEFS OF

STAFF ACTIVITIES.

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POSTATTACK
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ACTIVE POSTATTACK PLAY ~HLL TERHnt\Tll AT TllE SAHE 'fDIC AS HIGH

HEELS 68, HNEDIATELY FOLLOi'f!NG C~SSATION OF SD!ULATED ·

IIOSTII4ITIES. HOWEVER) 1m INTmm TO COriTINUE EXERCISE ACTIVITIES
POINTED Tm~A.iiD A REVIE~i AND A:·iALYSIS OF THE U. S. SITUATION AT

THE END OF THE REGULAR14Y SCHEDULED llXERCISE ACTIVITY. THIS

REVIEW PROCESS "f'llLL TAKE PLACE I.N Sll~liNARS TO BE SCHEDULED OVErt
3 SUCCESSIVE DAYS, PERHAPS FOR Z OR 3 HOURS EACH DAY.
PARTICIPANTS IN TH.GSE DISCi)SSIONS l'i!LL CO:·:SIDER THB NEED FOR
THE. INTRODUCTION OF CIVIL DEFENSE OPllRATIONr\L PRIORITIES A..,_m

THE POTENTIAL I>RODLE~·'tS ASSOCIATlW HITH FEDERAL SUPPORT OF .

STATE AND LOCAL CIVIL DEFENSE ACTIVITIES. !HLITARY SUPPORT

PROBLEMS. IF ANY, WILL BE LIMITED TO INPUTS REQUIRED TO

GENERATE PROBLEH DISCUSSION IN THESE Sm.U~iARS.

CONCLUSIO~l

THIS VERY BRIEFLY SW·lS UP OUR PlU2SENT PLA:i~HNG, BUT AS ADDED

.BACKGROUND I WOULD LIKE ·ro SAY THAT THE CO~·li?UTER PROGRA.\.1

THAT h"AS DEVELOPED LAST YEAR FOR PRODUCING ATTACK EFFECTS

~-IESSAGES IS BEI NG IHPROVED A!\D WILL BE USED AGAIN TillS YEAR

. FOR llOTH ?HLITARY AND CIVIL PARTICIPANTS' USE. 'ftiESS CO:·WUTE.R

PRINTOUTS iiiLL AGAIN REFLECT THE BLAST, 'fHHR.V.AL, AND

RADIOLOGICAL FALLOUT EFFECTS AT GIVEN POUiTS IU TINE FOLLmiiNG

THE ATTACK.

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SPECIAL FACILITIES DIVISION

Minutes, May -31, 1968

Attending:
Mr. B. T. Gallagher, Chairman Mr. Walter McEldowney
Mr. Claude Ashby Mr. Thoma.s McEwan
LTC Robert Boyles, II Dr. Lehman Nickell
Mr. Thomas Gibson Mr. Max Rutzick
Mr. William Harrison MAJ Frank Yon

The Chairman made the followir.g announcements:

1. Briefings aud tours will be co!1ducted as follows:

June 4 Department of Transportation Personnel

June 5 State Department Personnel, including the Deputy Assistant

Secretary for Communications

2. Classified document incorpor?..ting Mr. P<ttti 's briefing on tests and

exer-cises has been forw.s.:rded through distribution.

3. Mr. Belden (IDA), Na.tional Academy of Sciences, will present a 40-minute

lecture on "The BreR.kdown in Commur-ications at Pearl Harbor in 1941"
someHme during Ju_'le. Information on ex-3.ct date and time will follow.

4. . Enough people have indicated their desire to visit NORAD f.'Jr a tour of
Cheyenne Mou.ntab. for us to request tr!lnsportatio:!l from USAF. Interested
perso!lnel will be kept informed.

MAJ Yon ir.d.ka~ed that 3ome employees' dep~ndents have been ma.king personal calls
through the USAICA S'Nitchboard. The operators have been keeping records on this
but have made :.o attempt tc prchibit rh~ calls. Action wiU be taken to tighten control.

Mr. McEwan br!.efed on information. he receh'ed at anc•th~r meeting.

Mr. Harri son complimented USAICA on the results ofT. V. tests.

Mr. Gibson outlined what he felt was a better method of forecasting wkds used to
determine hllout and indicated that a meeting would be held at the National Meteoro-
logical Center at Suitland, Md. on Wednesday, june 5, to discuss this subject.
A discussion followed.

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SPECIAL FACILITIES DNISION

Minutes, June 6, 1968

Attending:
Mr. James S. Hafer, Chairman Mr. John Mcintire
~ W. Lee Collins Mr. James Mason
Mr. Thomas Gibson Mr. Charles Moore
Mr. Thomas Hagan Mr. David Moses
Mr. Walter Handy Mr. Alexander Muir
Mr. John Larson Dr. Lehman. Nickell
Mr. Walter McEldowney Mr. Max Rutzick
Mr. Thomas McEwan MAJ Frank Yon
Dr. Isaac Zigler

Mr. Collins gave the Intelligence Briefing.

The Chairman made the following announcements:

1. Briefings and tours will be conducted as follows:

June 10 USAICA Inspector General

June 11 Bureau of Budget

June 14 A trip has been scheduled to Ft. Detrick (arranged by DHEW)

for Health Services personnel. OEP, USAICA, and WV AO have
been invited.

2. The Resource File Listings were sent to Westgate by error. They will be
returned and stored in Area B.

3. Work on Building 3 is tentatively scheduled for weekends of June 15, 22, and 29,
from midnight Saturday through 1630 hours on Sunday.

Mr. Gibson reported on the status of tropical storm Abby. At this time he does not see
. any weather problems here due to the storm. He also reported on a meeting held June 5
at the National Meteorological Center regarding methods of forecasting fallout winds.

Dr. Nickell expressed the State Department's thanks for the briefing and tour held on
June 5.

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Mr. Moore reported on the latest EBS Test.

Mr. Handy stated that the Treasury Department would not participate in the June CCPX
as it had been rescheduled after arrangements had been made for their participants to
exercise on the original CCPX dates. They will hold their own exercise on the original
test date with certain selected agencies.

Dr. Zigler reported on changes in PHS personnel:

- Dr. John Aber will report here on July 2 to replace Dr. Michael Donahoe.
- Mr . Harold Knight will replace Mr. David Moses on August 1. ·

Mr. Rutzick announced that an informal visit of Department of Labor personnel to discuss
their vital records program has been postponed until some time in July.

MAJ Yon reported on the scheduled Inspector General's visit on June 10 .

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