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A Hydrogen Generator You Can Build

Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 in Technical Innovations (http://fuel-efficient-
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Build Your Own Water Powered Car

Build Your Own
Hydrogen & Oxygen Generator
- That does not use brute-force electrolysis -
RUN YOUR CAR ON TAP WATER! *
Build a Hydrogen Powered Car

* A cannister, under the hood, containing electrodes (about 1 mm apart), is filled with water. The
water is separated into hydrogen and oxygen, on demand, when the engine is started, and the
hydrogen produced is directed into the engine through the air intake, which may or may not be
mixed with gasoline, sprayed in, also. The hydrogen, a gas, explodes, completely, 100%, not just
some small percentage like liquid gasoline or diesel.
Gasoline, the liquid, does not explode in your engine, either. Liquid gasoline, or diesel, is sprayed
into the engine. Of that, the small amount that vaporizes off the surface, (abt. 10-15%?) explodes
with the force needed to move the pistons and turn the crankshaft. Of that small percentage which
vaporizes and produces energy, 65% is wasted as heat. Additional small percentages are lost in the
drive train, etc. Most of the gasoline, still a liquid, is now hot enough to vaporize, react chemically
(the oxygen has been consumed, even creating carbon monoxide), cool, and go out the tail-pipe as
smog: soot, - toxic air pollution - stuff that poisons us and overheats our planet. Thank you "big
oil"! ... If interested, read
How The Oil Co's First Took Over
A.K.A. The Oil Age That Never Should Have Been (?page_id=44#oiltakeover)
A Better Hydrogen Generator

Instead of brute-force electrolysis, the traditional "sledge-hammer" approach, small, tuned, pulses
are generated, like a tuning fork shatters a wine glass, with very little effort, not "free energy", but
smart, elegant, and cheap; instead of brute-force, crude, and expensive.
from Stanley Meyer's project:

"The electrodes are vibrated with a 0.5 to 5 amp electrical pulse (depending on your speed and
acceleration) which breaks 2(H2O) => 2H2 + O2. When the pressure reaches say 30-60 psi, you
turn the key and go. When you step on the pedal, you send more energy to the electrodes, and
thus more vapor to the cylinders; i.e. fuel vapor on demand."
from Dave Lawton

"There is a very simple way to doing this WHOLE water powered sysem on 0.5Amp!"
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An extract from the lecture given by Admiral Sir Anthony Griffin to the Maritime Division of
the Southampton Institute, Warsash, UK, Sept. of 1993:
"Electrical power with opposite polarities is applied in pulses to the inner and outer cylinders and
at a power of 10 watts, i.e. 5 volts at 2 amps. A considerable quantity of gas immediately
accumulates in the top of the vessel and, within 10 seconds, reaches a pressure of about 10 pounds
per square inch." or . . . apply "very high voltage (20,000+) pulses at a particular frequency,
within positively and negatively charged voltage zones, at a very low current of less than 1
milliamp. The effect is ... the covalent bonds between the hydrogen and oxygen atoms are broken
and the two gases separated."
Ronn Motors, Dennis Klein, Francisco Pacheco, Stanley Meyer, Daniel Dingel and others have all
done it with their designs
see the history of Water Powered Cars (?page_id=819)
Example: Dennis Klein (?page_id=96) went 100 miles on 4 oz of water. We should be able
to go at least 1 or 2 mi on an oz. of gasoline also(!), but we don't because it has not been converted
to a gas first. See our pages here on super carburetors. [by the way, 1 gal. = 128 fluid oz. ! . . and . .
. Anyone who remembers their basic chemistry knows that 1 gallon of a liquid equates to about
1,000 gallons of it as a gas - in the gaseous state. :: 1 gal of water = around 1000 gal of
hydrogen gas at normal room temp. and pressure.]
Breaking News Release:

Thursday, 21 January 2010
MARBLE FALLS, TX--(Marketwire) - Ronn Motor Company, Inc. (PINKSHEETS: RNNM)

announced today that they have received the first purchase order for the manufacture and
delivery of the Scorpion HX™ eco-exotic supercar, from Eco Luxury Motorsports.
Ronn Motor Company has received its first order for 10 units from Eco Luxury Motorsports.
Each car is expected to carry a retail price of $250,000, plus additional amounts for any special
customization ordered by the customer. This will represent potentially $2,000,000 of new
revenue to Ronn Motors. The cars will be distributed to purchasers in the Miami/Ft.
Lauderdale, FL and Atlanta, GA markets. The first of the newly manufactured units is
expected to be delivered in third quarter of 2010, shortly after the commencement of full
scale production in Ronn Motor's new 80,000 square foot manufacturing facility in Marble
Falls, Texas, the result of a unique public-private partnership between Ronn Motors and the
Economic Development Corporation for the City of Marble Falls, Texas.
(?page_id=734)
Ronn Motors: The Scorpion
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(?page_id=734)
450 hp, 0 to 60 in 3.5 seconds, a top speed of 200 mph, gets 40 mpg.
Unlike with a hydrogen fuel cell car, the Scorpion's "hydrogen on demand" system
wouldn't require a high-pressure hydrogen storage tank. Nor would a driver need to find and
fill up at a hydrogen fueling station.
Instead, electricity from the Scorpion's alternator sends an electric charge through the water in
a storage tank, fracturing molecules and releasing hydrogen, which is injected into the motor,
explained Ronn Maxwell, CEO of Ronn Motor in Horseshoe Bay, Texas.
[Suggestion, just build the cannister and enough parts of the controller to generate the
ultra sound frequency. Then, getting it to work, build the rest of the controller]
Daniel Dingel (?page_id=928) has run his car(s) for a number of years totally
on water, also Dennis Klein (?page_id=96) has run his car on water with and
without a gasoline "supplement" -- His "water mileage" was about 25 miles per ounce
without any gas supplement. (3000+ mpg!) He was working with the military and
the state of Tennessee
One can also see the Orion Project's work on repeating Stanley Meyer's success
(http://www.theorionproject.org
/en/hydroxy.html)
Stanley Meyer was killed, now, May 13th 2010, the O.P. is under attack, being suppressed!
read about it! (?p=983)
The text, below, sent from an anonymous individual was edited slightly for better reading. The
following is his/her words and drawings, which has been given into the public domain.
Everyone should rt. click on the diagrams to view and download or print them, and also “cut and
paste” the text they want into a file and, perhaps, print that also.
Spirit of Ma'at LLC
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Diagrams
Figure 1
Figure 2
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Figure 3
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Figure 4
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Figure 5
click to see enlargement
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(../images/water-fuel-fig5.gif)
Figure 6
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It is suggested you try this out to begin with on a second vehicle you own, one that you don't need
to live with everyday, until you perfect this technology.
In putting these plans into operation, you will be making use of your entire existing system except
for the fuel tank and the catalytic converter.
We don't know Steve, on youtube, but he "keeps it simple"
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a collection of youtube videos on pulse width modulators

(http://www.youtube.com
/results?search_query=pulse+width+modulator+for+hho&aq=4)
The unit is called an 'EFIE' (EFIE stands for Electronic Fuel Injection Enhancer).
They are very simple devices. If required, the EFIE is designed to modify the signal
your cars' computer receives to adjust gasoline usage.
The Plan
Build and install a low-cost alternative method for running your vehicle (internal
combustion engine) on tap water, using off-the-shelf components.
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This is supposed to be an efficient way to convert ordinary tap water into gaseous hydrogen and
oxygen, and then burn these vapors in the engine, instead of gasoline.
This "minisystem" runs easily from your existing battery and electrical system, and it plugs into
your carburetor [Fuel Injectors] with simple off-the-shelf fittings.
You will be installing a plastic water tank, a control circuit, a reaction chamber, a hi-pressure
carb/FI fitting, and 3 gauges, and then hooking into your existing carb/FI. [Fuel Injectors]
The simplicity comes from its being an "on-demand" system requiring no fancy storage or
plumbing. You crank the gas pedal or throttle, and you electrically [/sonicly] create more vapor
for immediate consumption, on demand; low-high flow rate as needed, from idle to maximum
power. The change is that you are using tap water as fuel, instead of the traditional
petroleum-based fuel.
H2O --> H2 + O2
Frequently Asked Questions
Q: How does it qualify as "free energy"?
A: If you're paying someone for the water you use, then it is not strictly free. But it's close enough.
Q: Is it safe?
A: It is safer than running on fossil fuel. You are no longer choking on your own emissions
(health-wise). You are no longer running the extreme risk of a gasoline fire or explosion!
Additionally, you will be installing a few simple safety devices, using current automotive
standards.
To put it another way, Hydrogen is just as explosive as Gasoline but nothing that is left over, does
any harm to the environment: When hydrogen 'burns' it becomes pure water!
H2 + O2 --> H2O ( Technically, 2 molecules of hydrogen + 1 molecule of oxygen --> 2 molecules of water )
Q: What kind of performance can I expect?
A: Properly adjusted, your modified vapor-only fuel system will run cooler, and at a modestly
higher power level. The mileage performance expected from this design ranges from 50-300 mpg
(of water), depending on your adjusting skills.
Q: Can I do the modification myself?
A: Why not? If you don't have any mechanical skills, and you know someone with basic
mechanical and/or electrical skills, you can even delegate some of the construction. If you are
using a fuel-injected engine, you may have to get a mechanic's opinion. (There will have to be an
adapter inserted into the fuel-injection system, just as you would have to do if you were going to
run on propane, hydrogen, or natural gas. Spirit of Ma'at Ed.)
Q: What is the environmental impact that my vehicle will have?
A: It will be producing H20 (water vapor). Hence, it will be cleaning the environment, rather than
dumping nauseous toxins into it. Plus you will be helping to save our dwindling supply of
atmospheric oxygen. You can also help those around you do the same thing - as long as they have
no stock in oil companies to protect - and don't threaten you.
Q: Isn't this really a steam engine?
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A: No. Really. Exceedingly high temperature and pressure are not used. This is strictly an internal-
combustion engine (burning hydrogen) with residual water-vapor (remember, the engine runs
cooler than it did with gasoline) in the exhaust as a by-product.
Read This
There are a few things you should remember about gasoline:
Gasoline poisons the atmosphere and, it is very toxic and dangerous!
Gasoline versus Water
Most people are unaware that "internal combustion" is defined as "a thermo-vapor process" — as
in "no liquid in the reaction." Most of the gasoline in a standard internal combustion engine is
actually consumed, (cooked, and finally, broken down) in the catalytic converter after the fuel has
been not-so-burnt in the engine. Sadly, this means that most of the fuel we use in this way is used
only to cool down the combustion process, a pollution-ridden and inefficient means of doing that.
How It Works
Water is pumped as needed to replenish and maintain the liquid level in the chamber. The
electrodes are vibrated with a 0.5-5A electrical pulse which breaks 2(H2O) => 2H2 + O2.
When the pressure reaches say 30-60 psi, you turn the key and go. You step on the pedal, you
send more energy to the electrodes, and thus more vapor to the cylinders; i.e. fuel vapor on
demand.
You set the idle max-flow rate to get the most efficient use of power, and you're off to the races.
In the big picture, your energy is coming from the tap water in an open system, as the latent
energy in the water is enough to power the engine and hence drive the alternator and whatever
belt-driven accessories. And the alternator is efficient enough to run the various electrical loads
(10 - 20 amps), including the additional low current to run this vapor reaction. No extra batteries
are required.
THE STANLEY M EYER GENERATOR
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the radio frequency = 20,000 cps

The Orion Project (http://www.theorionproject.org
/en/hydroxy.html) is trying to buy his equipment and recreate
Stan's success
there are many youtube videos on several inventors who have

succeeded:
Daniel Dingel, from the Philippines (?page_id=928)
Read about and see Fox News broadcast from youtube (welding
torch + car fuel): Denny Klein's hydrogen generator and
hydrogen torch (?page_id=96) - in Clearwater, Florida
read the article and patent on the Pacheco Generator (../..

/FEV-Pacheco-generator.php)
ELECTRICAL PULSES, NOT ELECTROLYSIS
Where normal water electrolysis requires the passage of current measured in amps,
this cell achieves the same effect in milliamps. Furthermore, ordinary tap water
requires the addition of an electrolyte such as sulphuric acid to aid current
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conduction with the standard electrolysis approach; these cells function at greatest
efficiency with plain tap water.
According to the witnesses, the most startling aspect of the Meyer cell was that it
remained cold, even after hours of gas production.
Meyer's experiments, which he seems to be able to perform to order, have earned

him a series of US patents granted under Section 101. The granting of a patent under
this section is dependent on a successful demonstration of the invention to a Patent
Review Board.
Meyer's cell seems to have many of the attributes of an electrolytic cell except that it
functions at high voltage, low current rather than the other way around.
Construction is unremarkable. The electrodes --- referred to as "excitors" by Meyer
--- are made from parallel plates of
stainless steel placed in either flat or
concentric arrangements. (see the
washers, on the right, for the
simplest method) Gas production
seems to vary as the inverse of the
distance between them; the patents
suggest a spacing of 1.5 mm
produces satisfactory results.
A witness team of independent UK

scientifc observers testified that US
inventor Stanley Meyer successfully
decomposed ordinary tap water into
constituent elements through a
combination of high, pulsed voltage
using an average current measured
only in milliamps. Reported gas
evolution was enough to sustain a
hydrogen /oxygen flame which instantly melted steel. (How Denny Klein
(?page_id=96) got started - see video)
"We did notice that the water at the top of the cell slowly became discolored with a
pale cream and dark brown precipitate, almost certainly the effects of the chlorine in
the heavily chlorinated tap water..." ... "We clearly saw how increasing and decreasing
the voltage is used to control gas production. We saw how gas generation ceased and
then began again instantly as the voltage driving circuit was switched off and then on
again."
The use of a high voltage spike alone (1500 volts+), without the current being
delivered through the liquid, will not cause the disassociation to take place. Once
Stan's unit was made to begin breakdown (which takes 6 to 8 seconds) he was able to
reduce both current and voltage to miniscule proportions.
There are two primary frequencies that produce the best results. They are: 14,372 Hz
and 43,430 Hz. The former is about 50% more efficient, but it seems that just about
any frequency between 9 KHz and 143,762 KHz works quite well. (1) This is because
the nature of the wave form ( a spike ) is rich in harmonics and one of them is bound
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to be close to one of the two primary frequencies.
Meyer was apparently eating dinner at a Grove City OH restaurant, when it is

reported that he jumped up from the table, yelled that he'd been poisoned", and
rushed out into the parking lot, where he collapsed and died. Theives came a week
later and stole the the dune buggy and all of his experimental equipment, according
to his twin brother, Stephen. Stan said while he was alive, that he was threatened
many times and would not sell out to Arab Oil Corp`s. The Military was going to use
this technology in their tanks, jeeps, etc. He had patents on his invention and was
ready for production. Only $1,500 to equip your car! See the Videos above. No
gasoline, just water. Stanley said he was offered a billion dollars from an Arab to
basically shelf his idea. Stan said, "No".
STEP BY STEP CONSTRUCTION
OVERVIEW - Here is the suggested sequence of steps:
1. Install the CHT (or EGT) gauge and measure your current operating temp range (gasoline), for
comparison.
2. Build and test the controller to verify the pulse output.
3. Build the reaction chamber and test it with the controller (i.e pressure out).
4. Install the tank, controller, chamber, and pressure fittings.
5. Run engine and adjust the control circuit as necessary for best performance.
6. Install stainless steel valves and get the pistons/cylinders coated with ceramic.
[editor's note: don't bother. Given Daniel Dingel (Stanley Meyer, Dennis Klein, ...) and all the
other inventors and designs out there - none of them suggest or speak of it. Besides, get it working
first.
Keep it simple.]
7. Dump the now pointless catalytic converter and, if your exaust pipe is
not stainless steel already, replace it with stainless steel pipe sections.
YOU WILL NEED
plastic water tank with pump and level sensor.
control circuit, wiring, connectors, and epoxy.
reaction chamber with electrodes and fittings.
3/8" stainless steel flex-tubing, fittings and clamps.
carb/FI vapor-pressure fitting kit. - pressure, CHT (or EGT), & level gauges.
stainless steel valves.
copper mesh junction.
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ceramic surface treatment for cylinders & pistons.
stainless steel or ceramic treated exhaust assembly.
BASIC TOOLS
drill, screwdriver and pliers
hole cutter
wire-wrap, solder-iron and clippers
DVM and oscilloscope.
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REACTION CHAMBER
Construct as shown in the diagram. Use a section of 4" PVC waste pipe with a threaded screw-cap
fitting on one end and a standard end-cap at the other. Make sure to drill-and-epoxy or tap
threads thru the PVC components for all fittings. Set and control the water level in the chamber so
that it well submerses the pipe electrodes; yet leave some headroom to build up the
hydrogen/oxygen vapor pressure. Use stainless steel wires inside the chamber (fig.s 2&5) or
otherwise use a protective coating; use insulated wires outside. Ensure that the epoxy perfects the
seal, or otherwise lay down a bead of water-proof silicone that can hold pressure.
The screw fitting may require soft silicone sealant, or a gasket; its purpose is to hold pressure and
allow periodic inspection of the electrodes. No leaks, no problems. Make sure you get a symmetric
1-5mm gap between the 2 stainless steel pipes. The referenced literature suggests that the closer to
1mm you get, the better. You will want to get your chamber level sensor verified before you epoxy
the cap on.
Make your solder connections at the wire/electrode junctions nice, smooth, and solid; then apply
a water-proof coating, e.g. the epoxy you use for joining the pipes to the screw cap. This epoxy
must be waterproof and be capable of holding metal to plastic under pressure. You will want to get
your chamber level sensor verified before you epoxy the cap on.
CONTROL CIRCUIT
The diagrams show a simple circuit [to an electrician] to control and drive this mini-system. You
are going to make a 'square-pulse' signal that 'plays' the electrodes like a tuning fork; which you
can watch on an oscilloscope. The premise given by the literature is: the faster you want do go
down the road, the 'fatter' you make the pulses going into the reaction chamber. Duty cycle will
vary with the throttle in the vicinity of 90%MARK 10%SPACE (OFF/ON).
There is nothing sacred about how the pulse waveform is generated; there are many ways to
generate pulses, and the attached diagrams show a few. The NE555-circuit approach (see
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diagrams) is from the referenced patent. The output switching transistor must be rated for 1-5
amps @ 12VDC (in saturation).
Go with a plan that works for you or your friendly neighborhood technoid or mechanic, and go get
all the circuit elements from your local electronics store, such as Radio-Shack or Circuits-R-Us,
including the circuit board, IC sockets, and enclosure/box.
DigiKey has better selection, service, and knowledge; plus they have no minimum order. Be sure
to use a circuit board with a built-in ground plane, and to accommodate room for mounting 2 or 3
of the gauges. Mounting the reaction chamber in the engine compartment will require running a
stub to your pressure gauge where you can watch it.
You can easily make 30-gauge wire-wrap connections between the socket pins and thru-hole
discrete components having wire leads. Also make sure to get spec sheets on any IC you use. More
details of the best circuits to use will be announced pending prototype testing. You will want to get
your chamber level sensor verified before you epoxy the cap on.
Throttle Control
If you have a throttle position sensor, you should be able to access the signal from the sensor itself
OR from the computer connector. This signal is input to the circuit as the primary control (i.e.
throttle level = pulse width = vapor rate).
If you don't have such a signal available, you will have to rig a rotary POT (variable resistor) to the
gas linkage (i.e. coupled to something at the gas pedal or throttle cable running to the carb or FI. If
you make the attachment at the carb/FI, be sure to use a POT that can handle the engine temp
cycles. Don't use a cheezy-cheapy POT; get one rated for long life and mechanical wear; mount it
securely to something sturdy and stationary that will not fall apart when you step on the gas.
Control Range. The full throttle RANGE (idle-max) MUST control the vapor rate, i.e. pulse-width
(duty). The resistor values at the throttle signal must allow the throttle signal voltage, say 1-4 Volt
swing, to drive the VAPOR RATE. You will be using this voltage swing to generate a 10% ON
'square' pulse. The patent implies using a 'resonant' pulse in the 10-250 KHz frequency range; but
it is not explicitly stated so.
In this circuit, you will simply tune to whatever frequency makes the most efficient vapor
conversion. You will have to get into the specs for each IC you use, to insure you connect the right
pins to the right wires, to control the frequency and pulse width. You can use spare sockets to try
out different discrete component values. Just keep the ones that are spec-compatible in the
circuit, and get the job done.
You crank up the throttle signal and put more electrical energy (fatter pulses) into the electrodes;
verify you can get 10% duty on the scope (2 - 100 usec on the horizontal time-base). Your
averaging DVM will display the 90%-10% DC voltage across the output transistor (Vce or Vds or
Output to Ground). Set and connect DVM in the supply current and measure .5 - 5 amps, without
blowing the DVM fuse. Now verify that you got everything you wanted.
Verify your wiring connections using your DVM as a continuity detector. Check your wiring 1 at a
time and yellow line your final schematic as you go. You can best use board-mount miniature
POTs for anything you want to set-and-forget. The LEDs are there to give you a quick visual check
of normal vs abnormal operation of your new creation. You will want to get your chamber level
sensor verified before you epoxy the cap on.
CARB/FI CONNECTION
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The diagrams also show that fittings are required to the carb/FI l. There are ready-made kits (such
as by Impco) available for making your pressure fittings to the carburetor or fuel-injector as the
case may be. You will necessarily be sealing the built-in vents and making a 1-way air-intake.
The copper mesh comprises the inadvertent backfire' protection for the reaction chamber. Make
sure that all vapor/duct junctions are air-tight and holding full pressure without leakage. Your
new 'system' is considered successful and properly adjusted when you get the full power range at
lower temp and minimum vapor flow without blowing the pressure safety valve.
CHT (or EGT)
Monitor your engine temp with the CHT (cylinder head temp) or EGT (exhaust gas temp) instead
of your original engine temp indicator (if any). Your existing gauge is too slow for this application
and will not warn you against overheating until after you have burnt something. Make sure that
your engine runs no hotter than in the gasoline arrangement. VDO makes a CHT gauge with a
platinum sensor that fits under your spark plug against the cylinder head (make sure it is really
clean before you re-install your spark plug (as this is also an electrical ground).
ENGINE/EXHAUST TREATMENT
Get the valves replaced with stainless steel ones and get the pistons/cylinders ceramic-treated
ASAP when you have successfully converted and run your new creation. Do not delay as these
items will rust, either by sheer use or by neglect (i.e. letting it sit). You could make max use of your
current exhaust system by using it with your new deal until it rusts through, then have your
mechanic or welder friend to fit a stainless steel exhaust pipe (no catalytic converter is required).
But it could be easier and cheaper to send your existing exhaust system out for the ceramic
treatment, and then simply re-attach it to the exhaust ports.
GENERAL
1. Do not discard or remove any of the old gasoline setup components, e.g. tank, carb/FI, catalytic
converter, unless necessary. Better to always leave an easy way to revert back to something that at
least runs, just in case. Some people are leaving their gasoline setup completely intact, and
switching back and forth at will, just to have a backup plan.
2. Set your throttle circuit so that you get minimum vapor flow at idle, and maximum vapor flow
at full power without blowing the pressure relief valve. In this way, you control how 'lean' your
mixture is by the strength of the pulse (i.e. "fatness" at the optimum pulse frequency).
3. If you just don't get enough power (at any throttle setting), it means that you need to (1) change
the pulse frequency, (2) change the gap between the electrodes, (3) change the size (bigger)
electrodes, or (4) make a higher output pulse voltage (last resort). Always use an output transistor,
such as a MOSFET, that is rated for the voltage and current you need to get the job done. OK so
you might have to play around with it some. Isn't that where all the Fun is anyhow?
4. If you get any engine knock our loud combustions (not compensated by adjusting the timing), it
means that you need to install an additional coil in the chamber, and drive the coil with an
additional pulse signal (about 19 Hz on the .1sec time base). Here, you will be slowing down the
burn rate just enough so that the vapors burn thru out the power stroke of the piston. Be sure to
include a board-mount POT to set the correct strength of this 2nd pulse signal into the coil. This is
a stainless steel coil of about 1500 turns (thin wire) that you can arrange like a donut around the
center pipe (but NOT touching either electrode), directly over the circular 1-5mm gap. You want
no knocking at any power/throttle setting; smooth power only, but also no excess hydrogen
leftover from the combustion.
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5. Build the canister(s) as tall as you can without compromising your ability to mount them
conveniently near the dash panel, or in the engine compartment, as the case may be. This way, you
can always make the electrodes bigger, if necessary without undue hardship. Remember that
anything in the engine compartment should be mounted in a bullet-proof, vibration and
temperature tolerant fashion.
6. If you have to drill a thru-hole for wiring or plumbing thru metal, make sure to also install a
grommet for protection against chafing. Always watch your chamber pressure range from IDLE
(15-25 psi) - FULL POWER (30-60 psi). Set your safety-pressure relief-valve to 75 psi and make
sure it's rated for much higher.
7. Shut OFF the power switch and pull over if there is any malfunction of the system. Your engine
will last longest when it still develops FULL POWER+ at some minimum temperature that we are
sure you can find, by leaning back the Royal Vapor Flow and/or by making use of the water-vapor
cooling technique. Keep good mpg performance records, and periodic maintenance/inspection.
Keep it clean; save some money; clean the air; heal the planet; happy motoring; tell a friend;
enjoy your freedom and self-empowerment.
8. There lacks documented material for perfecting this vapor system thru a fuel injector; there
may be some details you will discover on your own as working prototypes progress. For example,
you may be restricted to inject the hydrogen/oxygen vapor without any water vapor, as it may rust
the injectors. If engine temp and CHT is a problem, then you will want to re-think your plan, e.g.
ceramic-coating the injectors. There is always "replacing the FI system with a Carb."
9. If you install the water-vapor system (for lower operating temp/stress), you will want to lean
the mixture (vapor/air) for minimum vapor flow rate to achieve any given throttle position (idle -
max). Make sure that you get a minimum flow for IDLE and a modestly sufficient flow for MAX,
that does the cooling job without killing the combustion.
10. If you cannot find stainless steel pipe combinations that yield the 1-5mm gap, you can always
regress back to alternating plates of +/- electrodes.
11. If you are concerned about the water freezing in your system, you can (a) add some 98%
isopropyl alcohol and re-adjust the pulse frequency accordingly; or (b) install some electric
heating coils.
REFERENCES
*Stephen Chambers 'Apparatus for Producing Orthohydrogen and/or

*Parahydrogen' US Patent 6126794, uspto.gov
*Stanley Meyer 'Method for the Production of a Fuel Gas' US Patent 4936961,
*spto.gov
*Creative Science & Research, 'Fuel From Water', fuelless.com
*Carl Cella "A Water-Fuelled Car" Nexus Magazine Oct-Nov 1996
*Peter Lindemann "Where in the World is All the Free Energy", free-energy.cc
*George Wiseman "The Gas-Saver and HyCO Series" eagle-research.com
*C. Michael Holler "The Dromedary Newsletter" and "SuperCarb Techniques"
*Stephen Chambers "Prototype Vapor Fuel System" xogen.com
2 videos
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Daniel Dingel
He has been running his car on 100% hydrogen
(hydrogen from water) for 30 years (?!)
He has never tried any mixture of gas and water - he does not think
it is possible. His car consumes about 1 quart (liter) per hour, he
says. Conservatively 1 gal. should take you 120 to 240 miles? (30 to
60 mph) That makes water a lot better than gasoline on volume
alone, not to mention price!
Here, he takes off the cover of his 'black box' and you can see the
wire mesh and steam coming out.
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He is said to have converted 100 cars to run on water.
getting serious about this, you should read

all you can about those who have done it.
Example: see our page on Daniel Dingel 1968 (?p=928)
or Denny Klein (?p=96) etc.
A.K.A. Pulse Width Modulator

- Dave Lawton
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We have not checked it out beyond the home page, but the panacea-bocaf.org
(http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/hydroxygas.htm)
web site seems to be trying also to freely provide information on how to build your own - or pay as
little as possible - for a hydrogen generator.
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many more videos:

UTube videos on building your own water to hydrogen generator / HHO Water Fuel
(http://www.youtube.com
/results?search_query=build+your+own+water+to+hydrogen+generator&
search_type=&aq=f)
Comments (56) (http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-

news/?page_id=927#comments)
1. Donato says:
July 22, 2010 at 8:19 pm (http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-
news/?page_id=927&cpage=2#comment-492)
Hey Bill,
Sounds like a dead short in your generator. Do you have any other electronics on it like a
high frequency generator?
The first thing I would recommend is drainning the water, then maybe even rinse the
generator with plain water for good measure. If it still blows the fuse when empty and dry,
chances are that the plates are touching somewhere.
Do you know anyone with electrical skills that can help? Anyone that works on cars, air
conditioning equip or refrigeration?
Good Luck
2. Bill says:
July 21, 2010 at 8:34 pm (http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-
I am installing the HHO generators on my RV. It has a dodge 440-3. I have plenty of room
for the jars, and everything. I even moved the battery over to below the steering column, so I
have even more room. Here is my issue. I installed an inline fuse between the battery
positive and the jar at the hydrogen collection point, and the negative to the other side of the
jar. I put a 25 amp fuse in, and connected it. BAM, blew the fuse. Instantly. It did that to two
more fuses. So, I stopped. What should I do now? I tried it without the fuse, and melted the
wires in about 10 seconds.
Thanks,
Bill
It does sound like something very simple. . . . anyone?
3. Thomas says:
June 26, 2010 at 2:21 pm (http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-
I have built a hydrogen generator and installed it on my truck and appears to be working
fine except for one problem. The difference in temperature between the generator tank and
the bubbler tank while cooling overnight creates a suction or siphon affect and draws the
water from the bubbler into the generator which causes a whole host of other problems. I
feel the solution would be to install a check valve inline between the two, but I cannot find
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anything suitable. I have 1/4" vinyl tubing connecting them. I tried the medical supply trade
as well as the hardware and automotive stores.
Could you offer any suggestions, if so will be greatly appreciated.
we did a google search on "buy a check valve for 1/4" vinyl tubing" and got of sources for
pools and aquariums. Hope you found a good one.
4. Alan says:
June 24, 2010 at 1:02 am (http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-
I had a question?
Is what you're describing meant for a mix of hho and gasoline, or is it meant to be solely
hydrogen?
5. Bill says:
Question. When I am generating my hydrogen gas in my canister and I add water, I think tap
water is best, as the dissolved particles and the ions will conduct the most electricity. My
questions is this: Should I dissolve NaOH in the water, or is that more problems than I
would want (along with it being rather dangerous)?
Tap water has been explicitly mentioned many times. Quite the opposite, however, to avoid
all impurities and use distilled water will avoid the minor problem of solid deposits
accumulating in the water container. -ed
6. SS says:
Is it possible that no one in the whole world was able to put a valid document on the internet
on how to build a working generator and be able to finally start a car's engine on it??! It's
been 10 years since they murdered Stanley! Come on!! I'm getting tired of all this guessing,
someone heard this, someone heard that stories!! 10 years!!
I mean those of you who succeeded in doing it know that you can NOT make money on
"your" "invention". You can only get a bullet in your head for that.. So please make available
the data for the sake of the world!
We could not agree more! What we have posted here is the best we have been able to find,
and it is not good enough...
A super-carburetor is another approach, which should be easier, (see Tom Ogle or John
Weston) but seems even more complicated, unfortunately. ... either one could be
accomplished by Detroit easily - if they were not "in bed" with the oil co.'s and everyone else
maintaining the "status quo"$! But, for us, not quite so easy. ... and no one wants to talk,
but ... see Ronn Motors, Dennis Klein, Francisco Pacheco, Stanley Meyer, and Daniel Dingel.
At this moment, (June 2010) we seem to be having better luck finding potentially good
information from Tesla researchers. Tesla not only said tuned vibrations are the easiest
way to break apart water, which confirms what we are trying to do here, but he also said a
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motor could be made strictly from magnets, and you can find a few YouTube videos of
people successfully experimenting with that. Finally, Tesla said radiant electricity fills the
cosmos; is everywhere available to power all the electrical devices we can build. He was
about to build power stations that would provide it freely to everyone, when J. P. Morgan
stopped funding him, and made sure no one else would either. ... and to think, there are still
people today who believe "suppressed inventions" are a myth! . . . Tesla did get a patent on
a way to get and use the radiant energy, electricity, around us, before he started
construction on his tower, and a few, Ed Gray, John Bedini, and others, (?p=971) have
succeeded. Bedini's seems the easiest and he does seem to be "sorta" giving it away. ... do
google searches; we are.
-ed
7. Rui says:
Hi
In first place thank you for the information you give on HOH
I was wondering if you could respond to this question if you know the answer,
I would like to put a electric generator running only on hydrogen
I also thought on putting a second bubbler but instead of water I think that maybe with
gasoline, oil or oil misted with gasoline.
Thank you
Rui
running on hydrogen and running on gasoline vapor is 2 different things. The 2nd is called
a super-carburetor.
For example Tom Ogle said "I was messing around with a lawn-mower when I
accidentally knocked a hole in its fuel tank. I put a vacuum line running from the tank
straight into the carburetor inlet. I just let it run and it kept running and running but the
fuel level stayed the same. I got excited. The lawn-mower was running without a
carburetor and getting tremendous efficiency." Read our Super Carburetor pages if you are
interested in that.
-editor
8. Alx says:
Hello. I'm from Israel. I mounted it fine. Thank you - but without the coil input current 6A.
My next step - to mount the coil between the pulse generator and tubes. The coil is made of
ferrite rod (length-8", diameter-3/8") and bifilar 21AWG 100 turns.
Thank you again .
9. David E says:
Hi, I'm Italian and of course my English is not so good. Anyway I really would like to convert
my car into water, but I'd like to see very simple plans that everybody could build in a easy
way. I still haven't found it on the internet. Where it is possible to find it?
We keep looking, and put the best we have found right here. Some of our visitors comments
below are very helpful also. -ed.
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10. b meynell says:

verry good
Thank you -ed
11. b meynell says:

i think this is briliant
12. balsaboy says:

Hmm...I am positive your on the correct path. Everything is about the harmonization of
frequencies, just as Telsa and all the great ones always knew, and that time iself only exists
because we our ownselves are locked in step with a frequecy, just as the water is itself
composed of vibrations which bond it together. So forgive me for saying this, but if time ends
as the Mayans supposedly said it will, then, perhaps in this quest we will free our own selves
from the slavery of time as we understand it. I have no doubt that Stanley Meyers was
murdered. Only in the destruction of the masters by free exposure to the secrets of what
Meyers uncovered will our own world be saved. We see now the oil volcano, and Goldman
Sachs making billions off of bidding against BP. Yet again, we are asked to believe that no
conspiracies exist, but where is justice, and where is the govcorp which still proclaims it
belongs to us all? If Goldman Sachs stands to now own BP at a profit of 33 billion, then,
Stanley was to be had on the cheap, which is just their style.
13. tom duffy says:

May 30, 2010 at 6:37 pm (http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-
I have seen and read numerous articles on this subject using this concept and like to find
someone or a company that would sell me several kits for my vehicles including my
motorcycle. I can build the "generator canister" made out of electrical stainless wall plates
myself, using a used automotive 12 volt coil from 20,000-80,000 volts,a solinoid for primary
voltage to turn it on and a 0-16 volt,5 amp.rating rotary pot. I have built a higher current one
that worked off a vacuum line - it wasn't worth the effort!! It didn't work that great.
thank you
tom duffy
14. JDDD says:

I like the idea and have concerns that nobody writes in stating they are successful in their
attempts to power an internal combustion engine. I will attempt the project on a vision of
renewable energy but it would be nice if there were more people stating their success. Also I
would like to know how to contact Mr. Daniel Dingel as I will be in the Philippines later this
year.
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I would like to finish off by saying that one negative electrical engineer can't be that smart
and here is a quote from Einstein himself "The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but
imagination."
Thank you,
JDDD
Mr. Dingel lives in the Manilla area. take a look at our page on him and his invention as I
believe it was even mentioned what area of the city he is from. I hope you get lucky - and
can report back to us what you learn! -editor
15. Chris says:

I built the circuit and I am using a power supply that I cannibalized out of an old computer
(which works perfect if you don't have access to a real one!). I am using 12VDC for the main
power and the 5VDC for the throttle input to simulate the engine's throttle position sensor.
This is run through the 100k pot. Is this right? I am generating a small amount of gas but for
some reason the throttle is not controlling the duty cycle of the waves. I have the throttle
signal going to pin 3 of the amplifier as in the diagram above. Does anybody have any ideas?
Everthing else seems to be working OK so I must have something wrong at the throttle.
16. Ralf Krause says:

dear editor,
I have been interested in hydrogen powered vehicles for a number of years now. I like all the
info on your site, and have some more to help some of your readers... I happened upon this
site a few years ago, and have referenced it often: http://freeenergynews.com
/Directory/WaterFuel/Cella/ (http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/WaterFuel
/Cella/)
I have built a few small generators already, and am slowly gathering parts to build one to
completely power my car.
My only problem is that I have not been able to source information regarding how to
introduce the hydrogen into the fuel injection/carburetor other than using a propane mixer
as shown in the site that I mentioned. If anyone has this info, I would be very appreciative of
any info regarding this
Thank you, Ralf
You are welcome. We saw the site you referenced some years ago and it is good that he is
telling what he learned and did for free, but it still seems more complicated than the
information we gathered here from other sources. There is information here about getting
it into the combustion chamber.
Anyone interested might look at Cella's information for more ideas.
-editor
17. Donald Rogers says:

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What is a good price to pay for PWM.

Do I have to say its for a 12 volt DC system.
18. Lindsay says:

May 5, 2010 at 2:44 am (http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-
Hi, I have built a dry cell but have one problem. It will not cycle up through the resevoir and
back down into the cell as it should. It instead expells hydrogen out of both the top and
bottom hoses and fills the reservoir, therefore leaving the the cell dry. I have moved the
reservoir higher and the base is now 20cm above the top of the cell. This cell is producing
plenty of hydrogen at 13amps using KOH. A small amound of foam can be seen on the top of
the water in the reservior also. Any comments or advice would be greatly appreciated.
Regards Lindsay in OZ.
19. Barry says:

April 29, 2010 at 4:06 pm (http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-
Hi thanks for all your work. I built a simple generator whilst in Canada using stainless pan
scourers for cathode and anode. Used mother in laws preserve jars for generator and
bubbler, I had a p.w.m. from the uk, it worked great on an old VW tdi Jetta, I drove from
south Ontario to the north on 1/4 tank,I posted the info on another site how to make it and
received letters telling me its not possible due to this law and that, when I left 6 months later
it was still working great.
20. Gormur says:

Dear friends,
I have been reading your articles with great interest, can any of you pls. tell me if you have
finished building a hho generator and if it is actually saving fuel.
Best Regards,
Gormur
21. alireza says:

thank you for free informations.
22. Rolly C. Sotto says:

It requires a volume of gas of hydrogen and oxygen to run the engine used by Dingel. A car
battery can not sustain the needed volume in a few seconds if we base our calculations on
the valence of hydrogen. How did he make it?
What do you think, people? Shall we tell him that his statements make no sense and the
answer to his question is in the information above. -ed
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23. hans says:

April 23, 2010 at 1:04 am (http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-
when the electrolysis pulls 50A, the alternator power is 12Vx50A=600W, the energy waste
will be typcally 50% efficiency loss of alternator and 50% efficiency loss of electrolysis. The
energy waste due to water power is 75% x 600W = 450 W, its a bad idea
Wake up, Hans! You are not paying attention. -ed
24. Swarup says:

During combustion of the engine hydrogen molecule will join with oxygen molecule to form
water.......wont this have a reaction on the walls of the engine?
Water is a by-product and so the exhaust system is more of an issue and mentioned above.
Daniel Dingel is the one person who has been running his car almost totally on water - for
30 years(!) and I did discover a note that he did have a problem with rust at first, but he
overcame it. He used gas to start the car and then again for a moment before turning it off.
See the page on Daniel Dingel (?page_id=928)
Note: Bruce Crower is adding steam, not just hydrogen, to his modified engine and he also
solved the problem easily - more or less, the same way. See the article on his Steam-
O-Lene (?p=94) engine
-editor
25. John says:

This all looks very easy to build, I do have one question; that is the spacing for the generator.
What is used for this? Will a plastic washer or rubber work for the spacing? Thanks
Yes, from some of the videos, I think you can see both plastic and rubber being used. -editor
26. paree says:

March 28, 2010 at 10:53 pm (http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-
Hi
The permittivity of 80.37 of water relates to dielectrics, capacitance,capacitive
reactance,susceptance,electrostatics and non conductance. Reactance does not consume
power. X=1/B
Electrolysis relies on conductance which is the reciprocal of resistance,which consumes
power. G=1/R
Dielectric polarisation happens in an e.s field, a capacitor is an open circuit to DC. Xc=1/2 pi
c ,no freq component.
All the best, Paree
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A Hydrogen Generator You Can Build

Build Your Own Water Powered Car

RUN YOUR CAR ON TAP WATER! *

Build a Hydrogen Powered Car

A Better Hydrogen Generator

from Stanley Meyer's project:

from Dave Lawton

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We don't know Steve, on youtube, but he "keeps it simple"

a collection of youtube videos on pulse width modulators

Frequently Asked Questions

Q: How does it qualify as "free energy"?

Q: What kind of performance can I expect?

Q: Can I do the modification myself?

Q: What is the environmental impact that my vehicle will have?

Q: Isn't this really a steam engine?

There are a few things you should remember about gasoline:

Gasoline poisons the atmosphere and, it is very toxic and dangerous!

Gasoline versus Water

THE STANLEY M EYER GENERATOR

the radio frequency = 20,000 cps

there are many youtube videos on several inventors who have

Daniel Dingel, from the Philippines (?page_id=928)

read the article and patent on the Pacheco Generator (../..

ELECTRICAL PULSES, NOT ELECTROLYSIS

Meyer's experiments, which he seems to be able to perform to order, have earned

A witness team of independent UK

to be close to one of the two primary frequencies.

Meyer was apparently eating dinner at a Grove City OH restaurant, when it is

STEP BY STEP CONSTRUCTION

OVERVIEW - Here is the suggested sequence of steps:

2. Build and test the controller to verify the pulse output.

4. Install the tank, controller, chamber, and pressure fittings.

YOU WILL NEED

plastic water tank with pump and level sensor.

control circuit, wiring, connectors, and epoxy.

reaction chamber with electrodes and fittings.

3/8" stainless steel flex-tubing, fittings and clamps.

stainless steel valves.

copper mesh junction.

ceramic surface treatment for cylinders & pistons.

stainless steel or ceramic treated exhaust assembly.

drill, screwdriver and pliers

wire-wrap, solder-iron and clippers

DVM and oscilloscope.

CHT (or EGT)

*Stephen Chambers 'Apparatus for Producing Orthohydrogen and/or

He is said to have converted 100 cars to run on water.

getting serious about this, you should read

A.K.A. Pulse Width Modulator

many more videos:

Comments (56) (http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-

It does sound like something very simple. . . . anyone?

10. b meynell says:

Thank you -ed

11. b meynell says:

i think this is briliant

12. balsaboy says:

13. tom duffy says: