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These 19 Questions were presented to “Muslim Scholars” at an international conference in Chicago, Illinois, USA,
October 7‐8,1989. The title of the conference was “World Conference on Finality of the Prophethood &
Significance of Hadith”.
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“The Prophet never urinated in standing position” (Hanbel 6/136,192,213).
“The prophet urinated in standing position” (Bukhary 4/60,62).
“A group from the Ureyneh and Uqayleh tribes came to the prophet and the prophet advised them to drink
urine of camels. Later on, when they killed the prophet’s shepherd, the prophet seized them, gouged out their
eyes, cut their hands and legs, and left them thirsty in the desert” (Bukhary 56/152, Hanbel 3/107,163).
“Moses was scared by the angel of death, thus Moses slapped him and blinded one of his eyes”.
“I am the most honorable messenger, on the day of the judgment only I will think of my people” (Bukhary
97/36).
“Do not make any distinction among the messengers; I am not even better than Jonah” (Bukhary 65/4,5;
Hanbel 1/205,242,440).
“Bad luck is in the woman, the horse, and the home” (Bukhary 76/53).
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“If a monkey, a black dog or a woman passes in front of a praying person, his prayer is nullified.” (Bukhary
8/102; Hanbel 4/86).
“The prophet gave permission to kill children and women in war” (Bukhari, Jihad/146; Ebu Davud 113).
“The earth is carried on a giant bull; when it shakes its head an earthquake occurs” (Ibni Kathir 2/29; 50/1).
“Leaders have to be from the Quraish tribe” (Bukhary 3/129,183; 4/121; 86/31).
“You shall kill all black dogs; because they are devils” (Hanbel 4/85; 5/54).
“God is the time” (Muwatta 56/3).
“To prove His identity, God opened his legs and showed the prophet His thigh.” (Bukhary 97/24, 10/129 and
the comment on the Sura 68.)
“The parchment that the verse about stoning to death for adultery was written on was eaten and abrogated by
a goat.” (Ibni Majah 36/1944; Ibni Hanbal 3/61; 5/131,132,183; 6/269).
“A tribe of monkeys arrested an adulterous monkey and stoned it to death, and I helped them” (Bukhary
63/27).
“When the prophet died his armor had been pawned to a Jew for several pounds of barley.” (Bukhari
34/14,33,88; Hanbal 1/ 300; 6/42,160,230).
“The punishment for cutting the fingers of a woman is to pay her: 10 camels for one finger, 20 camels for two
fingers, 30 camels for three fingers, and 20 (twenty) camels for four fingers” (Hanbel 2/182; Muvatta 43/11).
“The prophet had been bewitched by a Jew, and for several days he did not know what he was doing”
(Bukhari 59/11; 76/47; Hanbel 6/57; 4/367).
“Muhammad possessed sexual power of 30 men” (Bukhary).
“Do not eat and drink with your left hand, because Satan eats and drinks with the left hand” (Hanbel 2/8,33).
“The prophet said:’Do not write anything from me except the Quran. Whoever wrote, must destroy it”
(Muslim, Zuhd 72; Hanbel 3/12,21,39).
“The prophet ordered Amr Ibn As to write everything that he speaks” (Hanbel 2/162).
“Omar said: Quran is enough for us, do not write anything from the prophet” (Bukhary, Jihad 176, Gizya 6,
Ilim 49, Marza 17, Megazi 83, Itisam 26; Muslim, Vasiyya 20,21,22).
(If you want to check the references presented above, please note that, after the name of each hadith collection the
first number is the number of the book (chapter), and second number is the number of hadith. For instance, 152nd
hadith in the 56th book of Bukhary is expressed as: Bukhary 56/152. In few references, however, we gave the
name of the book (chapter), instead of its number, such as: Bukhary, Jihad 176).
These are only a minute sample of hadiths which Muslim scholars accept as their second religious source and
they accuse the people who do not accept these teachings of being diverted from the truth. The above hadiths are
their truth. Now let’s see what is the Quranic truth. Quran, the whole Quran, and nothing but Quran
God revealed the Quran to Muhammad, His messenger and last prophet (27:6).
The only book that the messenger delivered to the world is the Quran (6:19).
The sole mission of the messenger is to deliver the message (16:35).
We must obey God’s messengers (3:31‐32; 24:56). Anyone who disobeys God and His messenger is a disbeliever (72:23).
We have been commanded to follow the Quran alone (7:2‐3; 17:46).
The Quran contains everything that we need for guidance (16:89).
God did not leave anything out of the Quran (6:38).
Wisdom (hikmah) is in God’s Quran; not necessarily in men’s hadith (17:39; 36:2).
Anything that is not commanded in the Quran, God left it up to our minds and intelligence to decide (5:101).
The Prophet Abraham was the founder of Islam and a good example for us (22:78; 2:135; 60:4).
Muhammad was the follower of Abraham (3:68; 16:123).
All religious practices; daily prayers, obligatory charity, fasting, and pilgrimage come through Abraham (21:73;
2:43,127‐128; 2:183; 3:43; 19:31‐59; 20:14).
We should not follow any hadith besides the Quran as the source of God’s religion (45:6).
There are those who use vain hadith to mislead people, without knowledge (31:6).
We do not need fabricated hadith, because the Quran is fully detailed (12:111).
The best hadith is the Quran (39:23).
The only sunnah (law) is God’s sunnah (33:38,62; 35:43).
Those who decree religious laws never authorized by God, and their followers, are idol worshipers (42:21).
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The Quran is fully detailed, not vague (30:28; 41:3).
Quran has been explained and detailed by God Himself (11:1; 75:19).
God is the teacher of the Quran (55:1).
The Quran is easy to understand for believers; while it is impossible for idol worshipers (54:17,22,32,40; 17:46; 18:57).
The Prophet Muhammad, as a good example, did not accept and follow any other source besides the Quran (5:48‐49; 6:114;
10:15).
God guaranteed the preservation of the Quran, not the hadith (15:9; 36:69; 38:87; 41:42; 43:4; 56:78).
God’s word is perfect (6:115). Those who follow conjecture are diverted (6:112).
God does not forget (19:64).
God does not run out of words (18:109).
Those who are not certain about the hereafter, are not satisfied with the Quran, they want to amend it with other books
(10:15).
Those who divide their religion into sects are not followers of Muhammad (6:159).
The complaint of the messenger in the hereafter will be about the desertion of the Quran, not hadith (25:30).
The Jews had received the Torah which was complete and fully detailed like the Quran (6:154; 7:145). However,
they were not satisfied with the word of God, and asked irrelevant questions. When they could not find answers
to their petty questions, they started to invent. This satanic attitude led them to produce Mishnah (oral) and
Gemarah (traditions).
Just like the Jews, the Muslims fabricated many lies and attributed them to the prophet. It is significant that they
called their fabrications Hadith (oral) and Sunna (traditions), similar to Jews. The ignorant people asked many
irrelevant and absurd questions which have been criticized in the Quran (2:67‐70; 5:101). For instance, which hand
shall we use while eating? Which side shall we lay while sleeping? Which foot shall we enter with into the
bathroom? Which hand shall we start to wash for ablution? How long shall we grow our beards? Which sequence
shall we follow when we cut our nails? Which vegetables are most holy? These foolish questions encouraged
many hypocrites to fabricate hadiths and attribute them to the prophet (6:112‐116). It is significant that the most
reliable books, for instance that of Bukhary, was written at least two centuries after the prophet died.
The Quran prophesied that enemies of the prophet Muhammad would fabricate lies and attribute them to
him(6:112‐116). The Quran has named these fabrications “hadith” while naming the Quran “ahsanal hadith” (best
hadith) (39:23). Obviously, God knew that the idol worshipers would call those fabrications “Hadith”. It is
interesting that they did not call their lies “Aqwal = sayings”, “Akhbar = narrations”, “Hikam = Aphorisms”, or
any other word from the rich Arabic language. They unwittingly termed their inventions “Hadith.”. This is a
fulfillment of the Quranic projection:
“This is not a fabricated Hadith. It is a confirmation of previous scriptures, detailing everything, and a guide and
mercy for those who believe.” (12:111)
They claim that the Quran is not fully detailed!! They thus reject God’s repeated assertion that the Quran is
“complete, perfect, and fully detailed” (6:19,38,114), and justify the creation of 60 volumes of Hadith, and
thousands of nonsensical teachings that are supposed to complete the Quran. By reflecting on 12:111 above, one
can see God’s answer to those fabrications.
God informs us that we do not need fabricated hadith; that the Quran is all we need. Almighty God rejects both
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“Hadith” and the basic excuse for accepting it as a source of Islam. No excuse is accepted from the followers of
hadith in this world, nor on the Day of Judgment. God asks them:
In which hadith, besides God and His revelations do they believe? (45:6)
They reply: “We believe in Bukhary, Muslim, Tirmizy, Ibn Hanbal, Kafi, Nahjul Balaga, and more besides God’s
revelations.”
“Let them produce a hadith’ like this, if they are truthful.” (52:34)
As a response, they slander the prophet in one of their holy hadith books (Abu Dawood): “The prophet, peace be
upon him, said, ‘I was given the Quran and a hadith like it’.”
According to the Quran, there is only one valid sunna (law): God’s law (Sunnatullah) (33:38,62; 35:43; 40:85;
48:23).
In both Sunni and Shiah sects the exact number of accepted hadith books is not known. However, Sunnis
generally agree on six hadith books which are called “Kutubi Sitteh” (Six Books). These are Bukhary, Muslim,
Tirmizy, Ibni Majah, Nesaiy and Abu Dawud. Additionally, they respect Muwatta, Darimy and Ibn Hanbal.
Muslim scholars in many cases preferred Bukhary to the Quran. So much so that Hanafi scholars claimed publicly
that hadith can abrogate Quranic verses. For example, according to them, 2:180 and 4:24 have been invalidated by
hadith. In fact, all other sects also do not accept the judgement of these verses but they are not so frank.
a) What is your opinion on the hadiths I presented in the beginning? How many of them are correct?
b) How many centuries after the prophet’s death was your most holy hadith book, Bukhary, written?
c) In how many correct hadiths do you believe?
d) If hadith is one of the most important sources of Islam, then why did not God preserve it like the Quran?
e) In which hadith do you believe besides words of God?
f) Why does not Bukhary narrate a single hadith through Abu Hanifah, but narrates from Marwan b. Hakam, a
notorious murderer and drunkard who destroyed the original copy of the Quran?
g) Is the Quran perfect, clear, complete, and fully detailed?
h) Is the Quran easy or difficult to understand?
i) Why do you change the place of the word “alone” in 17:46: “… and when you preach your Lord, using the
Quran alone, they run away in aversion”?
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Distorting the meaning of the Quranic verses, taking them out of context, claiming that some verses abrogate
others are some of the tactics used by the followers of Hadith and Sunna. Monarchistic theocratical kingdoms use
the ulama to divert “Muslim” masses. The fabricated satanic teachings have transformed the religion of God into
a mishmash liturgy and a ritual torture. Here, God willing, we will expose their true colors by evaluating some
verses most often abused by them.
The falsifiers have presented medieval Arab culture and traditions as good examples of the messenger. However,
if you look at the context, the good example has been described as the messenger’s courage and his constant
remembrance of God. They extended this good example to irrelevant individual or cultural behaviors. For
instance, they sanctified the beard and turban, ignoring the fact that the Meccan idol worshipers, such as Abu
Lahab and Walid b. Mugiyra also had long beards and wore turbans.
What is worse, the actions and words ascribed to prophet Muhammad have depicted him with a character that is
far from exemplary. The Hadith books portrays the prophet as a phantasmagoric character with a multiple
personality. That character is more fictitious than mythological gods and goddesses, such as Hermes, Pan,
Poseidon and Aphrodite. He is a pendulous character, both bouncing up to deity, and down to the lowest degree.
He is both wise and moron. He is sometimes more merciful than God and sometimes a cruel torturer. He is both
perfect and criminal, humble and arrogant, chaste and sex maniac, trustworthy and cheater, illiterate and
educator, rich and poor, a nepotist and a democratic leader, caring and a male chauvinist, a believer and a
disbeliever, prohibiting Hadith and promoting Hadith. You can find numerous conflicting personalities presented
as an exemplary figure. Choose whichever you like. This peculiar aspect of Hadith collection is well described by
the prophetic verses of the Quran: “Shall we treat the Muslims (Submitters) like the criminals? What is wrong
with your judgement? Do you have a book where you can find anything you wish?” (68:35‐38).
Furthermore, a similar statement is made about Abraham: “A good example has been set for you by Abraham and
those with him” (60:4, 6). If verse 33:21 requires Muhammad’s hadith, then why would not the verses 60:4,6
require Abraham’s hadith? Which books narrate hadiths from Abraham? Obviously, the only reliable source for
both examples is the Book of God, which narrates the relevant exemplary actions. It also warns us not to repeat
the mistakes committed by Muhammad (33:37; 80: 1‐10).
Obey God and His Messenger (4:59)
Obeying Bukhari, a narrator of lies, is not obeying the messenger. Obeying the messenger is obeying the
complete, perfect and fully detailed Quran. Verse 25:73 describes the attitude of believers towards God’s
revelations. But the followers of Hadith and Sunna are very good in ignoring them. They do not see 6:19, 7:3, and
50:45 which say that the only teaching delivered by God’s messenger was the Quran. They do not think that
Muhammad practiced the Quran, and the Quran alone (5:48, 49). They do not hear Muhammad’s only complaint
about his people (25:30). They do not understand that Muhammad disowns those who do not understand that the
Quran is enough and fully detailed (6:114).
The first verse of Chapter 9 states that an ultimatum is issued from God an His messenger. We know that the
verses about the ultimatum are entirely from God. God did not consult Muhammad about the ultimatum.
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Muhammad’s only mission was to deliver God’s message (16:35; 24:54). Thus, the reason that God included the
messenger in 9:1 is because he participated as deliverer of the ultimatum. Similarly, because people receive God’s
message through messengers we are ordered to obey the messengers. We also know that the Quran is a
permanent messenger (65:11), and the Quran is a reminder and deliverer of good news (41:4; 11:2).
Nor is he speaking out of personal desire. It is a divine inspiration (53:3,4).
Meccan idol worshipers claimed that Muhammad was the author of the Quran (25:5; 68:15). The beginning of
Chapter 53 is about the revelation of the Quran. It states that “the Quran is from Him”. It is not Muhammad’s
personal claim; it is a divine statement. Therefore, claiming that the pronoun “it” in the verse 53:4 refers to the
words of Muhammad, not of God, is an obvious distortion. According to the above verse “it” is revelation,
without exception. This can be valid only for the Quran. It is nonsense to claim that Muhammad’s daily
conversation was entirely revelation. For example, God firmly criticizes Muhammad’s words to Zayd (33:37).
Obviously, the criticism was not about revelation. The beginning phrase of Chapter 97 informs us about the
revelation of the Quran: “We revealed it in the Night of Destiny”. The “it” in this verse is the same as the “it” in
53:4. . . . And we sent down to you this message, to proclaim (litubayyena) for the people everything that is sent
down to them, perhaps they will reflect (16:44).
People who establish Hadith and Sunna as another source of religious teachings besides the Quran, opted the
irrelevant meaning of the Arabic word “BYN”. The word “‘lituBaYyeNa” is a derivative of “BYN”, which is a
multiple‐meaning word. It means: 1) To reveal what is concealed. 2) To explain what is vague. The first meaning
is the antonym of “hide”, the second is the antonym of “make vague”. God orders Muhammad to proclaim the
revelation which is revealed to him personally. Indeed, this is the whole mission of the messengers (16:35).
Prophets sometimes experience difficulty in proclaiming the revelation (33:37, 20:25). If the Quran is a profound
Arabic book, if it is explained by God, and if it is simple to understand (5:15; 26:195; 11:1; 54:17; 55:1‐2), then the
prophet does not have an extra mission to explain it. Furthermore, the verse 75:19 does not leave any room for an
extra human explanation. Thus, the word “litubayyena” of 16:44 is similar to the one in 3:187. Verse 3:187 tells us
that the people who received the revelation should “proclaim the scripture to the people, and never conceal it.”
The Quran is simple to understand (54:11). Whoever opens his/her mind and heart as a monotheist and takes the
time to study it, will understand it. This understanding will be enough for salvation. Beyond this, to understand
the multi‐meaning verses you do not need to be a messenger of God. If you have a good mind and have studied
the Quran as a believer, that is, if you have a deep knowledge, then you will be able to understand the true
meanings of multiple‐meaning verses. The verse 3:7, which is about the multiple‐meaning verses, points this fact
in a multiple‐meaning way (this is an interesting subject which warrants another article): “. . . No one knows their
true meaning except God and those who possess knowledge. . .”
O you who believe, do not place your (opinion) above God and His messenger (49:1).
Followers of hadith and sunna claim that God is represented by the Quran, and the messenger is represented by
his opinion on the Quran. Thus, they claim that the Quran is not enough for salvation. Some people may not utter
this claim straightforwardly. They may even claim that the Quran is complete and enough for our guidance.
However, further questioning will reveal that their quran is not “the Quran”. The Quran is the one that consists of
114 Chapters and 6346 verses. It is a mathematically coded book. However, their minds are confused, and their
quran is contaminated with human speculations and limited by a snap‐shot interpretation. They try to scare the
believers by saying “you do not like the messenger”. The belief that God is represented by the Quran, and the
messenger by his teaching is a satanic claim. There are several points to remember:
** Quran represents God and His messenger.
** Obeying the Quran is obeying God and the messenger.
** Quran never says: “Obey God and Moses,” or “Obey God and Muhammad.” But, Quran consistently states:
“Obey God and the messenger.” This is because the word messenger (rasul) comes from the “message” (risala).
The message is entirely from God; messengers cannot exist without the message.
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** Messengers as humans make mistakes. Thus, when believers made a covenant with prophet Muhammad they
promised to obey him conditionally, i.e., his righteous orders (60:12). Moreover, God specifically orders
Muhammad to consult the believers around him (3:159). If nobody can object to the personal decision of the
messenger, then consultation is meaningless. However, whenever the final decision is made, it should be
followed.
** During their lifetimes, messengers are community leaders. In this regard messengers are not different than the
believers who are in charge (4:59); both should be obeyed. But, this obedience is not absolute. It is open for
consultation and discussion.
** The position of messengers are different during their lives; they are interactive teachers and curious students as
well. We have the chance to ask them further questions, discuss issues, learn their intention, and even correct their
mistakes. On the other hand, they have the opportunity to correct our misunderstandings. However, when they
pass away their teaching becomes frozen and looses its advancing three‐dimensional character. The frozen,
snap‐shot fragments of knowledge is a dangerous weapon in the hand of ignorant people to stop God’s teachings.
They defend every plain error in the name of the messenger. They insult every sincere students of God’s
revelation.
“Say, ‘I do not ask you for any wage. But, what I ask from each of you is to take care of the relativesʹ” (42:23).
This verse is mostly abused by Shiite Muslims. They claim that prophet Muhammad was ordered to ask help for
HIS relatives. This distortion created a class of blood sucking people surviving on charity. Hundreds of thousands
of people in Iran, Iraq and other Middle Eastern countries claim that they are descendents of prophet Muhammad
(Sayyeed or Shareef) and they are entitled to obligatory financial help. They abuse the verse mentioned above to
exploit people economically. However, the verse does not say “my relatives”. The context of the verse is plain
enough to state that Muhammad does not need a wage from the believers and if they can help somebody they
should help their own relatives. Indeed, helping the relatives is a divine command repeated in 2:83; 4:36; 8:41;
16:90.
The special status given to the descendents of Muhammad through Fatima and Ali has created a privileged and
“sacred” religious class.
The Quran broadcasts a very clear message. However, the problem is with our receivers. If our receiver does not
hear the broadcast or cannot understand it well, then something is wrong with our receiver and we have to check
it. If the signal is weak, we need to recharge our batteries, or reset our antennas. If we do not receive a clear
message, we need to tune into the station, to the station of Quran alone, in order to get rid of the noises and
interference from other sources. We may ask some help from knowledgeable people or experts for this task. If the
receiver does not work at all, then we have to make a sincere effort to fix the broken parts. However, if we believe
that the problem is in the broadcast, then nobody can help us. The divine broadcast can be heard in detail only by
those who sincerely tune in, i.e., those who take it seriously and act accordingly.
The condition of our receiver and the antenna, the power of the battery, and the precision level of our tuning are
very important in getting the divine message properly.
a) If the verse 33:21 requires Muhammad’s hadith, then why would not the verses 60:4,6 require Abraham’s
hadith? Which books narrate hadiths from Abraham?
b) You try to justify your collections of hadiths by using 33:21. Ironically, your collections do not provide an
exemplary character. How can you claim that an eye‐gouger, a urine‐prescriber, a sex maniac is a “good
example”?
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c) The Quran states “Obey God and the messenger.” How can you twist this commandment and make Bukhary,
or Al‐Kafy and many other story books as the second source of Islam? According to verse 4:59 we have to obey
the people in charge too. Thus, does it mean that Islam is a co‐authored religion by at least three sources?
d) The first verse of Chapter 9 states that an ultimatum is issued from God an His messenger. We know that the
verses about the ultimatum are entirely from God. Muhammad was not the co‐author of the ultimatum.
Muhammad’s only mission was to deliver God’s message (16:35; 24:54). Thus, the reason that God includes the
messenger in 9:1 is messenger’s participation as a deliverer of the ultimatum. Why don’t you apply this
explanation to other verses where the word “messenger” is mentioned after God?
e) Why do you distort the meaning of 53:3,4 by taking it out of context?
f) By claiming that it is the mission of the messenger to explain the Quran, you contradict 16:35; 55:2; 75:19 and
many other verses. In order to support your claim you opt a different meaning of “litubayyena” in 16:44. In fact,
the word “litubayyena” of 16:44 is no different than the one in 3:187. This verse tells us that the people who
received the revelation should “proclaim the scripture to people, and never conceal it.” How can you claim that
the meaning of “litubayyena” in 16:44 is “to explain”, but not “to proclaim”?
g) You have created a privileged class out of descendents of the prophet Muhammad by misinterpreting 42:23.
What are the Arabic equivalence of “the relatives” and “my relatives”? Which one is mentioned in that verse?
It is the alleged final sermon (Khutba) of the Prophet (Khutbat Al‐Wadaa’). This great and historic event is
reported in many important books of hadith, including Muslim, Muwatta, Ibn Majah, Abu Dawud, Ahmed Ibn
Hanbal. The big problem is: these books report three vastly different doctrines from this historic sermon which
was witnessed by 100,000 witnesses (most hadiths were supposedly witnessed by 1 or 2 people). In fact, the main
topic in that all‐important sermon gives three contradicting commandments. Here is what the prophet allegedly
said:
1) “I am leaving for you two things that you must uphold, the Quran and my Sunnah” (According to Muwatta
46/3).
2) “I am leaving for you the Quran and my relatives (Ahl Al‐ Bayt)” (According to Muslim 44/4, Nu 2408; Ibn
Hanbal 4/366; Darimi 23/1, Nu 3319).
3) “I am leaving for you the Quran; you shall uphold it” (According to Muslim 15/19, Nu 1218; Ibn Majah 25/84,
Nu 3074; Abu Dawud 11/56, Nu 1905).
As you see, the LAST words of the LAST sermon of the LAST prophet which had been witnessed by the greatest
number of his friends, have been reported in three different versions.
a) What did the prophet leave for us according to your most authentic hadith? Which one of the three reports is
correct?
b) What did the prophet leave for us according to the best hadith, i.e., the Quran? (6:19,38,114; 5:48‐49; 12:111;
39:23).
c) How can we trust those hadith books which can change the most important words, though witnessed by
thousands of people? Which hadith can we trust beside the Quran(45:6)?
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The Quran states frequently that there is no compulsion in religion (2:256; 10:99; 88:21,22). The Quran advocates
perfect freedom of belief and expression (18:29). The basic law regulating relations with unbelievers is stated in
60:8,9. Apostates can not be killed unless they fight against the believers (4:90). However, according to hadith and
sunnah, a person who leaves Islam should be killed.
The vicious laws that exist in hadith books altered Islam into a tyrannical religion. According to hadith and
sunnah, if a muslim does not practice daily contact prayers (salat), he or she should be warned and if they still do
not pray; they should be put in prison or killed. The perfect, complete, clear and fully detailed Quran
(6:19,38,114,115,116; 11:1; 12:111; 54:17), nowhere tells us to punish those who do not obey this commandment. A
careful study will show that all punishments decreed by God involve social and individual relations; not religious
belief and practices. However, scholars produced myriad vicious laws and attributed them to God (6:21; 42:21).
According to the Quran, violence an belligerence are signs of disbelief (22:72).
a) Do the laws that exist in Hadith books commanding of killing apostates conflict with the Quran?
b) The greatest sin is setting up idols besides God (4:116), and those who commit such a sin can not be forced to
worship God alone (18:29). Daily prayers should be observed only for God (20:14). Is it not a fact that wherever
such a tyrannical rule is practiced, hypocrisy, oppression and ignorance become widespread among the people?
c) The Quran mentions theft, slander, homicide, and other crimes and also decrees punishments for each of them.
Why does it not command us to punish people who do not observe prayers, although prayers are mentioned 90
times in it?
According to the books of hadith, Abdullah Ibn Masood was one of the top companions of the prophet
Muhammad. His hadith narrations are among Sunni Muslim’s most cherished sources of jurisprudence. Many
hadith and narration books, including Bukhary and Ibn Hanbel, report that Ibn Masood had a personal copy of
the Quran and he did not put the last two chapters in it. According to those books he was claiming that those two
chapters do not belong in the Quran.
Apparently, another companion of the prophet, Ubayy Ibn Kaab, also had a different personal Quran. He added
two chapters called “Sura Al‐Hafd” and “Sura Al‐Khal”, and claimed that these were from the Quran. (These
“chapters” are still being recited by Hanafies in the “Salat el Witr”, after night prayers.
a) What is your opinion concerning books of hadith and Suyuty’s Al‐Itqan which narrate this information? Are
these books slandering the companions of the prophet? Why do you accept such books as your religious sources?
b) If those books that narrate the above claims are correct, then how can you rely on the hundreds of hadiths
which are narrated by Ibn Masood and Ubayy Ibn Kaab?
c) Here is a man who eliminated two chapters from, and another man who added two chapters to the Quran
without proof. Yet, you still consider them as your most authoritative sources of knowledge. Why do you not
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proclaim Ibn Masood and Ubayy Ibn Kaab “apostates”?
God states in His fully detailed book, the Quran, that the adulterer and adulteress should be punished by one
hundred lashes. The profound verses of Quran do not make any distinction between married and single
adulterers (24:1,2).
Whether those who commit adultery are married or unmarried, white or black, rich or poor, their punishment
must be one hundred lashes if they are proven guilty by four eye witnesses (24:4). The only exceptions are slaves,
whose punishment is half of the free (4:25). This is the law of God who does not run out of words (31:27), is the
best law maker (5:50), never forgets (19:64), and has detailed the Quran (11:1). Whoever looks for other sources of
law disobeys the messenger (6:114). Believers do not subscribe to any religious source other than God’s revelation
(45:6).
Unfortunately, after the death of the prophet Muhammad, the hypocrites fabricated hadiths and attributed them
to the prophet and distorted God’s law. The people who are described in 6:112 produced lie after lie to change the
punishment of adultery to death by stoning for married adulterers. They adopted this law from the Jews and their
idol worshipping ancestors (11:91; 44:20; 36:18; 26:116) claiming that the words of God are not complete and clear
in 24:1‐2. It is significant that the Almighty God stated in the beginning of Chapter 24, that this law is profound
and clear!!!
By declaring the word of God to be vague and ambiguous, Sunni and Shiah scholars opened a satanic gate for
every kind of abuse and distortion. Additionally, by distorting the meaning of 2:106, they claimed that many
verses of the Quran had been abrogated (amended) by other verses or by hadith. By this “abrogation theory”,
they amended every verse which they did not understand or which did not suit their interest or contradicted their
hadith. But, like everything else, they disagreed on the number of abrogated verses; some of them abrogated 5
Quranic verses, some 20 verses and some 50 …
The Arab idol worshipers fabricated hadiths and claimed that prophet Muhammad stoned a couple (Maiz and
Gamidiyye) to death. Since they realized that hadiths are not enough to abrogate the clear verses in chapter 24,
they even fabricated a “verse” supporting stoning and attributed it to God. They tried to inject this satanic verse
into Quran. When they failed, they fabricated foolish stories which only the people who are described in 10:100
believe. According to their story, the ‘stoning verse’ was recorded in Quran during the time of Muhammad; but
just after his death, a goat entered Aisha’s house and ate the page on which that verse was inscribed. Thus, the
stoning verse has been abrogated physically. This story can be found in Ibn Magah, Nikah, 36/1944 and Ibn
Hanbal, 5/131,132,183; 6/269.
How can a verse of a perfect scripture, which was completed during Muhammad’s lifetime, be abrogated by a
goat? As an answer to this question, Ibn Qutayba, a famous scholar, in his book entitled “Solving the
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Contradictions Among Hadiths” stated that “the goat is a holy animal”. And he asked a counter question: “Why
not believe in God’s power? As He destroyed the people of Aad and Thamud, He is also able to destroy His
revelations by using even a goat!”
The slanderers of God and the prophet supported their lies with other lies. They slandered Khalif Omar by
attributing these words to him: “Because in the future some people will appear and deny the punishment of
stoning, by claiming that they can not find it in the Quran, if I did not fear that people will say that Omar is
adding to the Quran, I would add the stoning verse into the Quran!!” (Bukhary 93/21; Muslim, Hudud 1691;
Tirmizi, Hudud 8/1431; Abu Dawud 41/1; Itkan 2/34). So, if Omar feared God, instead of people, the “stoning
verse” would not have existed in all books of hadith as “the verse eaten by a goat”!
The scholars of hadith and sunnah were not content with these stories; they also stated that “a tribe of monkeys
arrested an adulterer monkey and stoned it to death” (Bukhari, 63/27). Those who slandered even monkeys, in
order to set them up as an example of following hadith and sunnah, have been described by verses 2:65 & 7:179!
These professional liars also did not spare other believers. For instance, Abu Hanifa was persecuted and tortured
in prison by Amawy and Abbasy religious officials due to his rejection of hadith and accepting the Quran alone.
He was such a popular figure that following his death, those officials used his popularity for their decrees.
Finally, they attributed a whole Sunni sect to him.
In the second Hijrah century, hundreds of thousands of hadiths were fabricated. Attributing lies to God and His
messenger became fashionable. For example, Bukhary states that he selected his seven thousand narrations out of
seven hundred thousand narrations. According to Bukhary’s own confession, 99% of the hadiths he collected
were fake.
Muslim scholars were aware of the fact that none could understand a religion which had been distorted by
narrations, stories, superstitions, conflicting instructions and cruel laws. Thus, they called and even forced people
to follow them blindly, without reasoning and reflecting. They were, and are, always uneasy because of fear that,
one day, reasonable people would remove their satanic veil and expose their ignorance. They do not realize that
Quran condemns following anyone blindly (2:170; 5:50,104; 10:78, 100; 17:36; 26:74; 31:21; 43:22,23).
Our ancestors, just like the Jews and the Christians, invented massive religious concepts and wrote enormous
religious books and accepted them as the foundation for their religion (23:52‐56; 42:21). They changed the
Religion of God into a joint stock religion established by God + messenger + family of the messenger + friends of
the messenger + their generations + leaders of sects + scholars of sects….
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After this information and criticism, let us ask our questions:
a) What is the punishment of adultery according to the Quran?
b) When did the goat eat the “verse of stoning to death” as is claimed by Bukhary, Muslim, Tirmizy, Ibn Hanbal ?
c) How was the verse eaten by the goat removed from the Quran after the prophet’s death?
d) The six famous books of hadith (kutubi sitta) claim that Omar wanted to put the “stoning verse” into the
Quran; but he could not do this because of his fear of people. Don’t these books insult Omar as being a hypocrite?
e) This terrible punishment which contradicts 24:1,2 and 4:25, is mentioned throughout th e Quran as the idol
worshiper’s practice (11:91; 19:46; 36:18; 18:20). Is not this a fact?
f) Do you claim that the “stoning verse” which has been removed from the Quran by a holy goat, is still valid in
jurisprudence? And what is your proof that this “verse” was literally abrogated, yet is still legally valid?
g) Your “stoning verse” is narrated by all your holy books as “esheyhu wesheyhetu iza zanaya farcumuhuma
elbettete….” Is this consistent with the Quranic prose? You all accept this so called verse concerning married
adulterers. What Arabic words does the Quran use for married people? What does “esheyhu wesheyhetu” mean
in Arabic? (11:72; 12:78; 28:23; 40:67). According to your literally abrogated but legally valid verse, can a young
married adulterer be stoned to death? When is one considered old?
h) Let’s accept your terrible claim for awhile that some verses of the Quran have been abrogated. The verse 2:106,
according to your misunderstanding states: “Whenever a verse is abrogated, God will substitute a better one or at
least a similar one”. So, if the “stoning verse” has been abrogated as claimed; God must substitute a better one or
a similar one. So, which verse has been substituted for the “goat eaten verse”? According to your abrogation
theory, how many kinds of abrogations exist?
i) According to your sectarian belief, even abrogated verses remain in the Quran physically. Why has a verse
about such an important issue, i.e., stoning to death, been removed from the Quran physically? Why has the small
punishment remained in the Quran and the capital punishment been abrogated?
j) According to your own history, many believers had memorized the Quran by heart during the prophet’s time.
When the goat ate your verse, what happened to the memorized versions?
k) Why do you slander animals, i.e., monkeys, by following Bukhary who narrates many foolish stories?
l) How many verses have been abrogated in the Quran? Do you agree on their numbers? Do you know these
verses: 4:82; 15:90‐99; 2:85 ?
The only source of God’s religion, Quran, does not prohibit gold and silk for males. On the other hand, it declares
that nobody has the right to prohibit the nice things that God produces for His creatures (7:30‐32). God decrees
that these things are reserved exclusively for believers on the day of resurrection (18:31; 22:23; 35:33), and they are
also lawful for them in this world.
a) Are not those who prohibit gold and silk for male believers addressed by 7:30‐32 and 42:21?
b) What is your comment on the hadith which narrates that prophet Muhammad had granted permission for one
of his companion to wear a golden ring?
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The Quran as the fully detailed word of God does not prohibit drawing pictures, making artistic statues, playing
music and chess. On the contrary, it states that there were statues in the mansion of Prophet Solomon (34:13). It
also states that a discordant and out‐of‐tune voice is not good (31:19).
According to hadith, “The worst people in the hereafter will be the painters and the sculptors, because they
imitated God’s creatures and for this reason they became idol worshipers. In the hereafter, God will ask them to
give life to their pictures or statues. When they fail, God will put them in hell”. According to another hadith,
“musical instruments with strings and reeds are satanic appliances”.
a) Why are pictures and statues unlawful, even if they are made only for artistic purposes?
b) The statues in the mansion of Solomon are the result of the biggest sin, according to the hadith, and this sin
leads people into idol worship. How could a prophet of God commit such a sin? Why does God not criticize
Solomon for the statues in his mansion?
c) Constructing airplanes is an imitation of one of God’s creatures i.e., birds. According to your books,
constructing airplanes is a sin, isn’t it?
d) According to the hadith and sunnah, the traditional Arab’s musical instruments like the tambourine and drum
are lawful; but all non‐Arabic musical instruments are unlawful. How can you explain this situation? What was
the nationality of the majority of hadith narrators?
The verse 6:145 clearly states that only four kinds of animal products are prohibited for eating: animals that die of
themselves, running blood (not that trapped within the meat), the meat of pigs, and animals dedicated to other
than their Creator. Verse 146 informs us that such prohibition are very specific; God prohibits either “the meat” or
“the fat”, or both, if He so wills. The following verses 6:147‐150 state that whoever prohibits other than those four
items, is a follower of conjecture and human opinion.
The Quran also states that those who invent prohibition and attribute them to God, are idol worshipers.
Ironically, those who idolize their scholars by accepting their opinions as a divine law are not aware of their idol
worship. They will assert that God is the source of their idol worship by saying that these laws were from God
(6:148 and 6:23).
The Quran prohibits only the meat of one animal, the pig. God left eating other animals up to our taste. We
cannot prohibit animals that we do not like and claim that God prohibited them. But the religious scholars
invented many prohibition and consequently disagreed on them.
a) Why is the eating of clam, shrimp, crab, and mussel unlawful according to the Hanefy sect and lawful
according to Shafiiy and Maliky? What about the Quran and Muhammad?
b) Do the differences between Sunni sects on the dietary prohibition originate from hadith or the Quran?
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c) What food is lawful and what is unlawful in Islam?
d) According to the Quran, division into sects is a behavior of idol worshipers and it is the result of following
man‐made books (23:52‐56; 6:159). How can you accept this satanic division as a mercy from God?
e) According to the Quran, only the meat of pig is prohibited, not its fat. God does not prohibit pigs, but prohibits
only the meat of pigs. What is your proof that pig’s fat is unlawful in Islam? Did the hadith inventors forget to
fabricate a hadith to prohibit pig’s fat?
Books of hadith and Sunni jurisprudence are full of narrations and laws against women, insulting them and
looking down upon them:
“The intelligence and the religion of women are incomplete.” “If a monkey, a black dog, or a woman passes in
front of a praying person, his prayer is nullified.” “To find a good woman among women is similar to finding a
white crow among a hundred crows.” “The marriage commitment is a kind of slavery for women.” “If anybody
has been required to prostrate before others beside God, the woman should prostrate before her husband.” “I
have been shown the dwellers of hell; the majority of them were women.” “If the body of the husband is covered
with pus and his wife licks it with her tongue, she still will not be able to pay her debt to him.”
These are only a few examples from the most popular satanic books, Bukhary and Muslim, which in many cases
are preferred over Quran. The six “authentic” books (Bukhary, Muslim, Ibn Hanbal, Tirmizy, Ibn Majah, and
Nesaiy) are full of many fabricated hadiths against women. Those who accepted the narrations reported by the
professional liars of Amawy and Abbasy as their religious source, have unfortunately created a terrible male
oppression of females for centuries. According to the Quran, those who are not content with Quran and fabricate
lies and attribute them to the prophet, are the enemy of the prophet (6:112‐116). Those who uphold baseless
hadith, and thus divert others from the path of God without knowledge, and take it in vain, have incurred a
shameful retribution (31:6).
According to God’s law, women have the same rights as men (2:228). Women can divorce their husbands (2:230,
233, 228; 4:35). Women cannot remarry until they have three menstruation but men have no such obligation and
this is the only difference (2:228). On the other hand, The Arabs who are described as “the worst disbelievers” by
the Quran (9:97), fabricated many religious laws parallel to their despicable attitude towards women. According
to the Sunni religion, the woman has no right of divorce . The husband can divorce his wife whenever he wants,
but a woman cannot divorce her husband, even if she hates him.
a) Do you accept the hadiths we quoted above from Bukhari and Muslim?
b) What is the Quranic description of those who produce lies and attribute them to the prophet?
c) Quran has given women equal rights (2:228). Why do you not give them the right of divorce?
d) According to the Quran, divorce is a case that takes at least four months to be put into effect (2:226; 4:35; 65:6).
After divorce, women must wait at least three menstruation before remarriage (2:228‐230). A couple can divorce
one another twice and can remarry, but after the third divorce they cannot remarry consecutively (2:229, 230).
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Whoever says that he divorced his wife merely by verbal announcement of the divorce (talaq) three times, is
simply a liar. How can a husband divorce his wife three times only by saying, “I divorce you by three talaqs
(divorces)”?
e) According to your sectarian religion, if a husband utters certain words, even by mistake or in anger, he gets
divorced. He cannot marry his wife anymore. How many couples have been forced to divorce since this rule was
presented as a divine law? How much money have your scholars made for finding tricky ways to reunite the
“divorced” couples?
f) Because you have not given women their right of divorce, sometimes you encounter very serious social
problems. To solve these problems, Hanafi scholars decreed that a woman should be considered divorced even if
her husband divorces her under pressure. What is your opinion on this Sunni law?
One of the most abused and distorted subjects after Muhammad, of course, is the jurisprudence about women.
Like the Christians, the Muslim scholars also invented hermitism (57:27), and by hadiths and their personal
opinions, they deprived women of their God‐given rights. In the muslim society, women became deaf, dumb and
blind creatures. Muslim scholars have humiliated woman by their satanic teachings, taking away her divorce
right, not allowing her to pray, read Quran, fast, or worship God during her menstruation, considering her equal
to donkeys and black dogs (which according to hadiths should be killed wherever found), comparing her with
black crows, depriving her of education, not accepting her as a consultant or a leader of a government…
In addition, Muslim scholars refused to allow women to go out in public, unless they put themselves in black
sacks… Some of them went a step further and forced them to hide their face with veils.
Muslim scholars tried to apply their satanic religion to Quran and change the meaning of words (4:46; 5:13; 5:41).
They tried to change the meaning of the Arabic word “khumur = covers” in 24:31 into “head covers”. The word
“khumur” is a plural noun that comes from the root word of “khamara” which means “to cover”. The singular
form of the same word “khamr”, has been used for intoxicants which “cover” the mind (5:90). In verse 24:31, God
commands female believers to maintain their chastity and put their covers on their chests, not their heads!
Additionally, the word “fel yedribne = they shall put” is significant in that verse. If hadithists were correct,
instead of this word, “fel yudnine = they shall lengthen” (like in 33:59) would have been used.
a) What does “khamara” mean and why do you change the word “khumur = covers” in verse 24:31, into
“khumurur re’s = headcovers” ?
b) Did women believers during the time of Muhammad use veils to cover their faces or not? If they were not
covering their faces how and why did a main Sunni sect, Shafiiy, invent veils? If they were covering their faces
with veils how and why did a main Sunni sect Hanefy amend it? Those who can invent veils can also invent head
covers. Why not?
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God commands us not to make any distinction among messengers (2:285). Believers’ attitude towards God’s
commandments is to say “we hear and we obey”; but those who manipulate words say “we hear and we
disobey” (4:46).
God has blessed His messengers with different peculiarities. In 2:253 He gives some examples of these
peculiarities, such as His speaking directly with Moses, and giving profound miracles to Jesus and supporting
him with the Holy Spirit. In 17:55 He states that He had preferred some messengers to others by giving each of
them different blessings, such as endowing David with Psalms. But God did not mention anywhere that He had
preferred this messenger over that messenger. According to 2:285, we do not have the right to make a preference
list for messengers. Otherwise, idolizing messengers and falling into a baseless dispute is inevitable.
While you claim that the last prophet is the highest, someone may claim that the first prophet deserves this rank.
Another may claim that Jesus is the greatest prophet and can support his claim by Jesus’ miraculous birth (19:19),
his title as being “word of God” (4:171), being a prophet from birth day (19:30), his numerous miracles such as
reviving the dead by God’s permission (3:49), and being mentioned in a verse that states God’s blessing to the
messengers (2:253). Another person may claim that Moses is the highest, basing it on the same verse 2:253, and
saying that the only prophet that God talked to was Moses (4:164). If another puts David on the top of the
messengers list based on 17:55 what can you say? If yet another comes and claims that Abraham is the greatest
prophet and supports his claim by the fact that Muhammad was his follower and God has chosen Abraham as
His beloved friend (4:125), what can you say? If still another comes and claims that Idris is greater than
Muhammad and supports his claim by saying that God may give Muhammad an honorable rank (17:79); but God
exalted Idris to a lofty rank (19:57), what can you say? If another one arranges the messengers according to their
frequency of occurrence in the Quran, and puts Moses on the top (136 times), Abraham the second (69 times), and
puts Muhammad as the 19th or 21st prophet from the top of the list, what can you say?
Innumerable hadiths were fabricated to prove that Muhammad was the greatest of all the prophets. Although
God states that He did not give Muhammad any miracles except the Quran (29:51; 17:59); the mentality of those
who were not content with Quran fabricated hundreds of miracles for him to compete with the miracles of Jesus
and Moses.
Ironically, Muhammad’s worshipers sometimes take out an eye when trying to make an eyebrow! For example,
they claimed by several hadiths in Bukhary that Muhammad cursed a left‐handed man who eating with his left
hand, and cursed a child passing in front of him while he was praying and caused both of them to be crippled! By
inventing sexual miracles they insulted the prophet and his wives with foolish and shameless stories. By
inventing Miraj stories (miraculous ascension to heaven with the body) they present Muhammad as a union
stewart bargaining with God on the number of daily prayers; but on the other side insulting him, implying that
he could not understand that his followers cannot practice 50 prayers a day (a prayer per 28 minutes). After
taking advice from Moses who was a resident of the 6th heaven, he reduced them to 5 prayers a day‐ after five
times going up and down between Moses and God! To praise Muhammad, some claimed that in the generations
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from Adam to Muhammad there were not any disbelievers among his ancestors. To justify their lie, they claimed
that Azar was not Abraham’s father (6:74). To prove that Muhammad was the greatest prophet they even claimed
that he was created from light, he had no shadow, his body will not rot in the grave, God created the entire
universe for him, he will have the highest intercession authority in the hereafter, and so on…
The common attitude of all idol worshipers is to claim that their idols will rescue them from God’s punishment by
intercession (2:123,254; 6:70,94; 7:53; 10:3; 39:44; 43:86; 74:48; 82:17‐19). Instead of praising God day and night
(33:42; 76:25), and commemorating Him (3:41,191; 73:8; 4:103), they always praise and commemorate their idols to
guarantee the intercession. They sometimes use the name of God without any praise, but they can never use the
name of their idol without phrases of praise. They even accuse the true believers who do not act like them as
disbelievers.
Those who claim that Muhammad was the greatest messenger are even ignorant of their contradictory hadiths on
this subject. For instance; “I had more doubt than Abraham had” (Bukhary 60/1). “If I would have been invited to
what Joseph had been invited, I would not reject that invitation” (Bukhary 60:11,19). “Do not give me a higher
rank than Jonah, do not make distinction among messengers” (Bukhary 65/4,5; A.B. Hanbel 1/205,242,440;
2:405,451,468). But they did ignore these hadiths and get stuck on “I am the most honorable of Adam’s children, I
am the one who will be resurrected first.” (Hanbal 1/5; 5/540,388).
Muhammadans tried to manipulate the meaning of the verse 2:285 which commands us not to make distinction
among messengers: “The messenger believes in what was sent down to him from his Lord, and so do the
believers. They believe in God, His angels, His scripture, and His messengers; ‘We make no distinction among
any of His messengers; ‘ and they proclaim: ‘We hear, and we obey. Forgive us. You are our Lord. To you is the
ultimate destiny.ʹ”
Muslim scholars claim that this verse forbids us from disbelieving in some messengers, not from ranking them.
a) Verse 2:285 states that believers believe in God’s messengers. What is the reason of repeating the same point
with a different expression? If this is stressing the meaning, then why is not the same stress made for angels and
books?
b) Since God knows the weakness of the people who idolize their messengers, why cannot this verse be a
reminder from the Lord of the universe to prevent people from putting their messengers into competition?
c) We cannot arrange messengers of God according to their position in heaven. We do not have such a task. Do
you know any Quranic commandment that orders us to make distinction among messengers according to their
righteousness? Can you show us your hierarchical list of the messengers?
d) If a Christian claims that Jesus is greater than Muhammad according to the Quran, by using verses 2:253; 4:171;
3:49; 19:19, 30; how can you oppose this claim?
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e) Muhammad was a follower of Abraham. Who do you put on the top of your distinction list, the follower or the
leader?
f) Bukhary, which you usually prefer over the Quran, also narrates that Muhammad was not the most honorable
messenger, and believers should not make any distinction among messengers. Why do you force yourself to
accept the other narrations that contradict the Quran instead?
The verse 7:158 states that Muhammad was a gentile:
“So you shall believe in God and His messenger, the gentile (ummy) prophet.”
The Arabic word “ummy” describes people who are not Jewish or Christian. The meaning of this word, which
occurs six times in the Quran, has been changed to ” one who can neither read nor write”. This deliberate
manipulation by Muslim scholars has become widely accepted as the true meaning of the word. For example
Yusuf Ali, in his translation, follows this pattern: “… So believe in God and His Apostle, the unlettered
Prophet,…”. Marmaduke Pickthall’s translation also reflects the same manipulation: “… So believe in Allah and
His messenger, the prophet who can neither read nor write,..”.
Let’s examine the true meaning of “ummy” in the Quran. Anyone can easily understand that “ummy” does not
mean an illiterate person by reflecting on the verse 3:20 below:
“And say to those who received the scripture, as well as those who did not receive any scripture (ummyyeen)…”
In this verse the word “ummy” describes Meccan idol worshipers. It is obvious that “ummy” does not mean
illiterate because it has been used as the antonym of the people of the scripture. If the verse was ” … And say to
those literate and illiterate”, then their above translation of “ummy” would be correct. According to the verse 3:20
the people of Arab peninsula were two main groups:
1. The people of the scripture, i.e., Jews and Christians.
2. Gentiles, who were neither Jewish nor Christian.
If the people who were neither Jews nor Christians were called “ummyyeen” (3:20; 3:75), then the meaning of
“ummy” is very clear. As a matter of fact, the verse 3:75 clearly explains its meaning as gentile.
Mecca was the cultural center of the Arabs in the 7th century. Poetry competitions were being held there. It is a
historical fact that Meccans were not familiar with the Bible, thus they were gentiles. So the verse 62:2 describes
Meccan people by the word “ummyyeen”:
“He is the One who sent to the gentiles (ummyyeen) a messenger from among them, to recite to them His
revelations, purify them, and teach them the scripture and wisdom. Before this, they had gone far astray.” (62:2)
The Quran does not classify the people of Arab peninsula as the literate and the illiterate, as Muslim scholars
claim. The Quran classifies the people as people of the book (Jews & Christians) and gentiles. The second
classification is the correct one, and the Quran supports it.
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The disbelievers claimed that Muhammad was quoting verses from the Old and New Testaments (25:5; 68:15).
The verse below refutes their accusation and gives the answer:
“You did not read any previous scriptures, nor did you write them with your hand. In that case, the objectors
would have had reason to harbor doubts.” (29:48)
This verse tells us that Muhammad did not read nor write previous scriptures. The word “min qablihi =
previous” proves that Muhammad read and wrote the final scripture.
After this examination on the true meaning of the word “ummy”, here are the reasons and proofs for the fact that
Muhammad was a literate gentile:
ˆ To magnify the miraculous aspect of the Quran, religious people thought that the story of illiteracy would be
alluring.
ˆ The producer of the illiteracy story found it easy to change the meaning of “ummy”, which in the entire Quran,
consistently means “gentile” (2:78; 3:20; 3:75; 62:2).
ˆ The Arabs of the 7th century were using letters as numbers. This alphabetical numbering system is called
“Abjed”. The merchants of those days had to know the letters of the alphabet to record their account. If
Muhammad was a successful international merchant, then he most probably knew this numbering system. The
Arabs stopped using the “Abjed” system in the 9th century when they took “Arabic numbers” from India.
ˆ The Quran’s spelling is unique. The mathematical miracle of the Quran, which proves that Quran is the word of
God, confirms the unique spelling of the Quranic words. The different spellings of some words are not the
personal preference of the scribes. For example, the words “salat”, “zakat”, “hayat” are written with “waw”
instead of “alif”. In verse 3:96 the name of Mecca is spelled as “Bacca”. The word “bastatan” is written with
“seen” throughout the Quran, except in 7:69 where it is written with “saad”.
ˆ If you write the first verse of the first revelation with Basmalah, you will conclude that Muhammad was literate.
We know that Basmalah has 19 letters, the first revelation i.e., 96:1‐5 consists of 76 (19×4) letters, this first
chronological chapter consists of 19 verses and is placed first of the last 19 chapters and has 285 (19×15) letters.
(The code 19 will be mentioned in the next questions). This information explains the different spelling of the word
“bism” in the beginning of the Basmalah and in the first verse of chapter 96. You decide; is it reasonable for an
illiterate to dictate two different spellings of the same word which is pronounced the same?
ˆ Traditional history books accept that Muhammad dictated the Quran and controlled its recording. Even if we
accept that Muhammad did not know how to read or write before revelation of the Quran, we can not claim that
he preserved his illiteracy during 23 years while he was dictating the Quran.
ˆ The first revelation was “Read,” and the first five verses of that revelation encourage reading and writing
(96:1‐5). The second revelation was “The pen and writing” (68:1).
Now, let’s ask our questions:
a) As you can see in verse 3:20 and 3:75, the Quran uses the word “ummy” as the antonym of the “ehlil kitab =
people of the book”. Do you believe that Quran classifies people as literate and illiterate?
b) The Quran describes Meccan people with the word “ummyyeen = gentiles” (62:2). According to your claim, all
Meccan people must have been illiterate. According to your holy books, who was writing poems in Mecca? Who
was reading the poems hanging on the walls of the Kaba?
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c) Which numbering system were the Arabs using in the 7th century? Did those who were making calculations
with those numbers know how to read and write?
d) Is the unique spelling in the Quran the result of errors and personal opinions? How do you explain the
different spelling of “bism” of the Basmalah and the first verse of chapter 96?
e) Does God command an illiterate man to “read”? Could Muhammad read after Gabriel’s instruction ? Does this
story not contradict your claim that Muhammad died an illiterate?
f) Let us accept that Muhammad was illiterate before the revelation of the Quran. Why did he insist on staying
illiterate for 23 years after the first revelation: “Read !”? Did he not obey his Lord’s command? Did he receive
another command forbidding him from reading and writing?
g) Was it so difficult for Muhammad to learn to read and write? If a person still does not learn to read and write
after 23 years of careful dictation of a book, what do you think about such a person? Is he stupid or a liar?
h) Was Muhammad encouraging his followers to read and write? If so, why did he exclude himself? How do you
explain this strange attitude and verse 2:44?
i) How can an illiterate man insure the accuracy of a scribe?
j) You are trying to imitate Muhammad from his eating to his attire, from his beard to his toothbrush; why do you
not imitate his illiteracy? Why do you not follow his sunnah?
k) You are the people who disagree on almost every subject; but you agree on the story of the illiteracy of
Muhammad. How could you manage this agreement?
The Quran in the verse 3:81 clearly states that after all prophets, God’s Messenger of the Covenant will be sent to
confirm all scriptures:
God took a covenant from the prophets, saying, “After I have given you the scripture and wisdom, a messenger
will come to confirm what you have. You shall believe in him and support him.” He said, “Do you agree with
this, and pledge to uphold this covenant?” They said, “We agree.” He said, “You have thus borne witness, and I
am with you a Witness (3:81).
Verse 3:81 is enough to understand that the prophet Muhammad was included in that special covenant about the
coming of a messenger after all the prophets. But in spite of this clear verse, those who idolized the prophet
Muhammad claim that Muhammad was not included. Since God knows everything, and knew that some would
object, God specifically mentioned Muhammad with the covenant of the prophets in the verse 33:7. Verse 33:7
refers to this covenant:
Recall that we took from the prophets their covenant, including a pledge from you (O Muhammad), and from
Noah, Abraham, Moses,and Jesus the son of Mary. We took from them a solemn pledge (33:7).
Verse 3:81 also provides the definition of “Nabi” (Prophet) and “Rasoul” (Messenger). Thus, “Rasoul” is a
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messenger commissioned by God to confirm existing scripture; he does not bring a new scripture unless he is a
prophet. According to the Quran, every “Nabi” is a “Rasoul”, but not every “Rasoul” is a “Nabi”. The word
“Rasoul” is more general than the word “Nabi”. For example the word “Rasoul” is used for the messenger of the
King of Egypt in verse 12:50, but “Nabi” is always used for God’s messengers. Also the frequency of the
occurrences of these two words in the Quran gives a hint of this nuance.
Not every messenger was given a new scripture. It is not logical that God will give a scripture to a prophet, then
ask him to keep it exclusively for himself, as stated by some Muslim scholars (2:42, 146, 159). Those who are not
sufficiently familiar with the Quran tend to think that Aaron was a “Nabi”, as stated in 19:53, who did not receive
a scripture. By this claim they try to exchange the meaning of the “nabi” and “rasoul”. However, the Quran
clearly states that the Book was given specifically “to both Moses and Aaron” (21:48; 37:117).
We learn from the Quran, 33:40, that Muhammad was the last prophet (Nabi), but not the last messenger (Rasoul):
“Muhammad was not the father of any of any man among you; he was a messenger (Rasoul) of God and the last
prophet (Nabi).” (33:40)
From time immemorial, it has been a human trait to reject a contemporary, living messenger on the basis that a
previous messenger was the last messenger. Joseph was declared “the last messenger” (40:34). Yet, many
messengers came after him, including Moses, David, Jesus and Muhammad.
“Joseph had come to you in the past with clear signs, but you continued to doubt his message. And when he died
you said, ‘God will not send any messenger after him. God thus sends astray those who are transgressors,
doubtful.” (40:34)
The verses before 3:81 give us the most important reason for the rejection of the Messenger of the Covenant by
“Muslims”:
Never would a human being whom God has blessed with scripture and prophethood say to the people, “Be
worshipers of me besides God.” Instead, (he would say), “Be devoted to your Lord alone, in accordance with the
scripture you received, and learned. Nor would he command you to set up the angels and the prophets as lords.
Would he order you to disbelieve after becoming Muslims ? (3:79, 80)
Today’s Muslims, like past generations, fell into the satanic trap of fabrication, and idolized Muhammad. They
accepted him as the source of the religion, which according to Quran is idol worship (6:114; 9:31; 12:40; 18:26,
109,110; 41:6; 46:9). They put his name next to the name of God in the “shahadah”, and this is idol worship (39:45;
3:18; 37:35). They added his name in the “Adhan” and disobeyed Quran (72:18; 2:285; 3:18). They attributed to him
many names of God such as Raheem, Raouf, Azeez, Hafeez, Haseeb, Mujeeb, Awwal, Ahir, Kareem, Hakeem…
They put his name right next to God’s name in the mosques. By stories of intercession, they accepted him as a
rescuer from God (2:123,254; 6:70,94; 7:53; 10:3,18,49; 13:16; 39:44,45; 43:86; 74:48; 82:17‐19). They praised his name
more than God by abusing the verse 33:56 (For the correct meaning of 33:56 see the verse 33:43 and 9:103 which
“salla” means “encourage”, not “praise”). They accepted him as sinless from birth till death (18:110; 41:6; 47:19;
48:2; 33:37; 42:52; 93:7). Ironically, Sunni and Shiite Muhammadans are not aware of their idolatry. They claim
that they are monotheists (6:23).
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There is absolutely no way around the Quranic prophecy in 3:81 that a messenger will come after Muhammad.
From 3:81 and 33:7, we learn that God’s Messenger of the Covenant is not Muhammad. Why then do we not see
any trace of this messenger in the literature? How did such an important prophecy disappear? Since it is
impossible for Satan to remove the Quranic prophecy, the devil resorted to a clever diversionary tactic. Through
Hadith and other Muhammadan literature, Satan created a number of figures such as the Mahdi, Imam Zaman,
the reappearance of Jesus, etc., to replace God’s Messenger of the Covenant. Satan even reversed the definitions of
“Nabi” and “Rasoul”. Thus, after Muhammad’s death, people started to wait for the expected Mahdi, Jesus, and
the 12th Imam, instead of a Messenger.
Satan duped millions of Muslims into waiting for an imaginary, non‐existent figure. There are numerous clues
exposing the gradual development of this Satanic plot. For example, the early narrations called the expected
savior “Mahdi Rasoul”. As a second step, Satan removed the word “Rasoul” and called the expected figure just
“Mahdi.”
The Quran provides straightforward criteria to distinguish the true messengers of God from the false messengers:
1) God’s messenger advocates the worship of God alone and the abolition of all forms of idol‐worship. 2) God’s
messenger never asks for a wage for himself. 3) God’s messenger is given divine, incontrovertible proof of his
messengership. Anyone who claims to be God’s messenger, and does not meet the three minimum criteria listed
above is a false claimant. Additionally, God’s messenger is supported by God’s invisible soldiers (3:124‐126;
9:26‐40; 33:9; 37:171‐173; 48:4‐7; 74:31). God’s messenger is supported by God’s treasury (63:7‐8). God’s
messenger, as well as the believers, are guaranteed victory and dignity, in this world and forever (40:51; 58:21).
a) Why do you exclude Muhammad from the covenant which was taken from all the prophets?
b) What is your proof that the covenant mentioned in 33:7 is a different covenant?
c) Why does God repeat the words “messenger” and “prophet” one right after the other in 33:40: “Muhammad
was a messenger of God and the last prophet”?
d) Where does Quran state that Muhammad was the last messenger?
e) Why do Christians reject Muhammad? Why did Egyptians reject Moses? Are you sure that you don’t have the
same problem?
f) The verse 3:81 which prophecies the messenger that will come after all the prophets, also defines the difference
between “nabi” and “rasoul”. Why do you not accept this definition?
For the believers who uphold the Quran alone, the second coming of Jesus is a simple story which contradicts the
Quran. Let’s examine the Quranic facts about this story:
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1) Jesus was a prophet of God, and he announced his prophethood as an infant (19:30).
2) Muhammad was the messenger of God and the last prophet. No prophet will come after Muhammad (33:40).
If we agree on these two points, we will agree on the third. As the logical result of the above facts, the third fact is:
3) After the last prophet Muhammad, Jesus will not come back, since Jesus was a prophet.
To claim that Jesus, in his second coming, will not be a prophet, is denying the verses about Jesus’ prophethood. If
Jesus will come back, he has to believe the Quranic verses that say he is a prophet. If he accepted that he is a
prophet, he would being denying the final prophethood of Muhammad.
Those Muslims who adopted Christian stories about the second coming of Jesus, tried to manipulate the meaning
of several verses, such as 43:61 and 4:159. For the correct meaning of these verses you can look at “Quran, The
Final Testament” translated by Dr. Rashad Khalifa, Islamic Productions, Tucson, 1989.
a) If Jesus comes back, as you claim, will he accept the Quranic verses that state “Jesus is a prophet”?
b) If Jesus will come back as a prophet, then how can Muhammad be the last prophet?
c) What is your opinion on a hadith which claims that when Jesus comes, he will make some unlawful things
lawful(Bukhary: 34/102; 46/31). Do you believe in this hadith? What about the verse 5:3 which states that God has
completed the religion by the Quran?
d) How will you recognize Jesus? Will he show the same miracles that he showed before?
e) Which place will be Jesus’ airport; the white minaret in Damascus, or Bagdad, or Mecca?
What is the age of responsibility? If a child dies at the age of 12, without even hearing about God, does this child
go to Heaven or Hell? What if the child is 15 years old, or 21, or 25? At what age will the human being be held
responsible for his or her beliefs? This question has always puzzled researchers of all religions.
However, the Quran sets the age of religious responsibility at 40; any one who dies before this age will go to
Heaven:
“We enjoined the human being to honor his parents. His mother bore him arduously, gave birth to him
arduously, and took intimate care of him for thirty months. When he reaches maturity, and reaches the age of
forty, he should say, “My Lord, direct me to appreciate the blessings You have bestowed upon me and upon my
parents, and to work righteousness that pleases You. Let my children be righteous as well. I have repented to You;
I am now a submitter.”(46:15)
If the person believed in God and benefited from belief by nourishing his or her soul, he or she goes to the High
Heaven. Otherwise, the person goes to the Lower Heaven.
Your first reaction to this piece of information is objection: “What if the person was really bad, evil, and an atheist,
will he go to Heaven if he died before the age of 40?” This is because you are mean, while God is the Most
Merciful. Our tendency is to “put them in Hell”.
People who objected strongly to this Divine mercy cannot come up with a cut‐off age of responsibility. They ask
questions like, “What if the person was really wicked?” The answer is, “Does God know that this person was
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wicked?” “Yes.” “Does God know that this person does not deserve to go to Heaven?” “Yes.” “Therefore this
person will not die before the age of 40.” As simple as that. God is the only one who terminates our lives. He
knows exactly who deserves to go to Heaven and who deserves to go to Hell.
a) What is the age of responsibility according to your sect?
b) If a sixteen year old child dies as a Christian, does he or she go to Hell?
c) Why do you not accept the Quranic decree about the age of responsibility?
All God’s messengers delivered the same message: “You shall not worship anybody but God.” Throughout the
Quran, the most important subject is worshiping God alone. More than a hundred times Quran repeats this
theme. “La elaaha ellaa Allah” and “La elaaha ella Hu” (No god except He) occur in the Quran more than thirty
times . Nowhere in the Quran can you find any other names attached to this important phrase.
The Quran states the first pillar of submission:
“God bears witness that there is no other god besides Him, and so do the angels and those who possess
knowledge.” (3:18)
This most crucial pillar has been distorted. Millions of Muslims have adopted Satan’s polytheistic version, and
insist upon mentioning the name of Muhammad besides the name of God. However, the Quran’s great criterion
in 39:45 exposes such people as disbelievers:
“When God ALONE is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter shrink with aversion.
But when others are mentioned besides Him, they rejoice.” (39:45)
a) Why do you feel the need to add the name of Muhammad when you announce the oneness of God?
b) Why whenever the Quran mentions the oneness of God, it never mentions any name besides “God”; not even
once!?
c) The Quran entails Muhammad and other messengers. Then why do you not say that “There is no god except
the One God, and the Quran is His book”?
d) How many times did you say that “There is no god except the One God, and Moses (or Salih, or Jesus …) is His
messenger”? Why do you make distinction among messengers?
e) Did Jesus remove the name of Moses from “shahadah” and put his name next to God? Did Muhammad
remove the name of Jesus from “shahadah” and put his name next to God? Do you think that all messengers tried
to correct the “shahadah” in this way? Why do we not see any discussion on changing the second half of your
shahadah in the Quran?
f) Is Muhammad other than God or not? If he is other than God, why do you not think that you are addressed by
39:45?
g) Do you think that idol worshipers accept the fact that they are idol worshipers? Why do you not reflect on
6:23?
h) Books which are a mixture of truth and falsehood sometimes expose the truth. For instance, according to a
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hadith in Tirmizi, Salat 26 and Nasai, Adhan 4, the prophet taught the Adhan as 19 words. But in your Adhan
you have 24 words. Why do you contradict your own teachings? If you remove your addition i.e. “Ashadu anna
Muhammadan Rasul Allah” from Adhan, the remaining words are 19. Is this a coincidence?
Contact prayers are decreed at specific times (4:104). The Dawn Prayer (24:58), the Noon Prayer (17:78), the
Afternoon Prayer (2:238), the Sunset Prayer (11:114), and the Night Prayer (24:58) is mentioned specifically in the
Quran.
Islam is not a name. It is a description, which means Submission. Islam is called “The Religion of Abraham”
throughout the Quran (2:130,135; 3:95; 4:125; 6:161; 12:37‐38; 16:123; 21:73; 22:78). And Muhammad was a follower
of Abraham (16:123).
Due to a general unawareness of the fact that Abraham was the original messenger of Submission, many so‐called
Muslims challenge God: “If the Quran is complete and fully detailed (as claimed by God), where can we find the
number of units in each contact prayer (Salat)?” On the other hand, God tells us that all the religious practices of
Submission were already established before the Quran’s revelation (8:35; 9:54; 16:123; 21:73; 22:27; 28:27). All the
messengers after Abraham practiced five daily contact prayers, obligatory charity, and fasting (2:43; 3:43; 11:87;
19:31,59; 20:14). The Meccan idol worshipers used to believe that they were followers of Abraham. So they were
practicing the contact prayers, fasting, and pilgrimage (2:183,99; 8:35; 9:54; 107:4‐6). During the time of the
prophet Muhammad people knew the meaning of “Salat”, “Zakat”, “Sawm”, and “Hac”.
God sent the Quran with their language. God does not command people with newborn words to do something
(16:103; 26:195). If God wants to command something that people are not familiar with, He explains it in His fully
detailed book. Moreover, If God wants to add a new meaning to a known word, informs us. ( For instance, the
Arabic word “el‐din” in 1:4 is explained in 82:15‐19).
Verse 16:123 is direct proof that all religious practices in Islam were intact when Muhammad was born. Thus, he
was enjoined to “follow the religion of Abraham.” If I ask you to buy a color TV, it is assumed that you know
what a color TV is. Similarly, when God enjoined Muhammad to follow the practices of Abraham (16:123), such
practices must have been well known.
There is no dispute concerning the number of units in all five daily prayers. This proves the divine preservation of
Salat. The Quran’s mathematical code confirms the number of units in the five prayers 2, 4, 4, 3, and 4
respectively. For example, the number 24434 is a multiple of 19.
The Quran deals only with practices that were distorted. For example, the distorted ablution is restored in 5:6 to
its original four steps. The tone of voice during the contact prayers was distorted, and this was corrected in the
Quran, 17:110. The fasting during Ramadan was modified in 2:187 to allow intercourse during the night. Zakat,
the obligatory charity, is restored in 6:141, and Hajj is restored to the correct months in 9:2,5.
a) Did Muhammad follow the religion of Abraham? Did Abraham practice contact prayers, fasting, charity and
pilgrimage? What is your proof that Abraham practiced those rituals differently than Muhammad?
b) Did not Moses, Salih, Jesus observe the Salat?
c) Why do you distort the meaning of 8:35? “Their contact prayers (Salat) at the shrine (Kabah) were no more than
a mockery and a means of repelling others…” Why do you claim that Meccan idol worshipers were not familiar
with the contact prayers, fasting, pilgrimage, etc.? (9:54; 2:199).
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d) According to God how many steps are required for ablution? What about Hanafiy, Shafiiy and other sects?
e) Which one nullifies ablution; bleeding or touching a woman’s hand? What does Quran states on this subject?
f) Why do you disobey 17:110 by reciting Quran silently in daily contact prayers?
g) Why do you mention Muhammad’s name in the contact prayers? Why do you not obey 20:14 and 72:18?
h) Why do you delay the charity by stating that one is not required to give charity if he did not hold his savings
one full year? Why do you disobey God’s command in 6:141?
i) Why do you cramp millions of pilgrims in one day, while God has given us four months for this duty? (2:197)
j) Quran condemns idol worshipers who change the sacred months (9:37), which are consecutive (9:2,5). Why do
you distort the Sacred Months?
k) Why do you decree a punishment of 60 straight days of fasting for one nullified day of fasting? (2:184).
“Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe” (Galileo)
Chapter 74 of the Quran, God’s Final Testament, is dedicated to the number 19. The name of that chapter is
“Al‐Muddassir” (The Hidden Secret). The number 19 is specifically mentioned in that Chapter as a punishment
for those who state that the scripture is human‐made (74:25), and proclaims that the 19 is “One of the greatest”
(74:35). In 74:31, the purpose of the number 19 is spelled out: to remove all doubt regarding the authenticity of the
Quran, increase the faith of the believers, and to be a scientific punishment for hypocrites and disbelievers.
However, the implication of this number as a proof for the authenticity of the Quran remained unknown for
centuries. For fourteen centuries, the commentators tried in vain to understand the function and fulfilment of the
number 19.
In 1974, the Lord of the universe unveiled the secret of number 19 to Dr. Rashad Khalifa, an Egyptian‐American
biochemist. His four‐year long computerized study on the Quran did not have any expected target. Surprisingly,
he discovered the mathematically intertwined structure by “chance.” This multifold interlocked mathematical
design is a message in universal language. This message, providing a built‐in physical evidence of its divine
source, leaves no doubt in our heart that the Quran is The Final Testament.
Before the discovery of 19‐based system, we knew a symmetrical mathematical system in the Quran. For example:
* The word “month” (shahr) occurs 12 times.
* The word “day” (yawm) occurs 365 times.
* The word “days” (ayyam,yewmeyn) occurs 30 times.
* The words “satan” (shaytan) and “angel” (malak), both occur 88 times.
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* The words “this world” (dunya) and “hereafter” (ahirah), both occur 115 times.
The mathematical structure of the Final Testament is simple to understand and impossible to imitate. You do not
need to know Arabic, the original language of the Quran to examine it for yourself. Basically what you need is to
be able to count upto19. Dr. Khalifa introduces this supernatural message as follows:
The Quran is characterized by a unique phenomenon never found in any human authored book. Every element of
the Quran is mathematically composed‐the chapters, the verses, the words, the number of certain letters, the
number of words from the same root, the number and variety of divine names, the unique spelling of certain
words, and many other elements of the Quran besides its content. There are two major facets of the Quran’s
mathematical system: (1) The mathematical literary composition, and (2) The mathematical structure involving
the numbers of chapters and verses. Because of this comprehensive mathematical coding, the slightest distortion
of the Quran’s text or physical arrangement is immediately exposed (Quran The Final Testament, Translated by
Rashad Khalifa, Islamic Productions, Tucson, 1989, p 609).
Nineteen, as the mathematical code of the Quran, is a challenge for atheists, an invitation for agnostics and a
guidance for believers. It is a perpetual miracle for the computer generation. It is the light of the morning
promised by God Almighty (74:33).
Here is the summary of this historical discovery:
* The first verse, i.e., the opening statement “Bismillahirrahmanirrahim”, shortly “Basmalah,” consists of 19
Arabic letters.
* The first word of Basmalah, Ism (name) occurs in the Quran 19 times.
* The second word of Basmalah, Allah (God) occurs 2698 times, or 19×142.
* The third word of Basmalah, Rahman (Gracious) occurs 57 times, or 19×3.
* The fourth word of Basmalah, Rahim (Merciful) occurs 114 times, or 19×6.
Although this phenomenon (the opening statement consists of 19 letters, and each word occurs in multiple of 19)
represents a minute portion of the code, it was described by Martin Gardner in the Scientific American as
“ingenious” (September, 1981, p. 22‐24)
* The multiplication factors of the words of the Basmalah (1+142+3+6) add up to 152 or 19×8.
* The Quran consists of 114 chapters, which is 19×6.
* The total number of verses in the Quran including all Basmalahs is 6346, or 19×334. If you add the digits of that
number, 6+3+4+6 equals 19.
* The Basmalah occurs 114 times, (despite its conspicuous absence from chapter 9, it occurs twice in chapter 27)
and 114 is 19×6.
* From the missing Basmalah of chapter 9 to the extra Basmalah of chapter 27, there are precisely 19 chapters.
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* It follows that the sum of the chapter numbers from 9 to 27 (9+10+11+12…….+26+27) is 342. This total (342) also
equals the number of words between the two Basmalahs of chapter 27, and 342 equals 19×18.
* The occurrence of the extra Basmalah is in 27:30. The number of the chapter and the verse add up to 57, or 19×3.
* Each letter of the Arabic alphabet corresponds to a number according to their original sequence in the alphabet.
The Arabs were using this system for calculations. When the Quran was revealed 14 centuries ago, the numbers
known today did not exist. A universal system was used where the letters of the Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic, and
Greek alphabets were used as numerals. The number assigned to each letter is its “Gematrical Value.” The
numerical values of the Arabic alphabet are shown below:
A study on the gematrical values of about 200 attributes of God which are mentioned in the Quran, shows that
only four names have gematrical values which are multiples of 19. These are “Wahid” (One), “Zul Fadl al Azim”
(Possessor of Infinite Grace), “Majid” (Glorous), “Jaami” (Summoner). Their gematrical value are 19 , 2698, 57,
and 114 respectively, which are all divisible by 19 and correspond exactly to the frequencies of occurrence of the
Basmalah’s four words.
* The total numbers of verses where the word Allah (God) occurs add up to 118123, and is 19×6217.
* The total occurrences of the word Allah (God) in all the verses whose numbers are multiples of 19 is 133, or
19×7.
* The first revelation (96:1‐5) consists of 19 words.
* This 19‐worded first revelation consists of 76 letters, 19×4.
* Chapter 96, first in the chronological sequence, consists of 19 verses.
* This first chronological chapter is placed ahead of the last 19 chapters.
* Chapter 96 consists of 304 Arabic letters, 19×16.
* The last revelation, chapter 110, consists of 19 verses.
* The first verse of the last revelation consists of 19 letters.
* The word “the Quran” occurs 57 times, or 19×3. (The word in 10:15 is a different Quran, so it is not counted)
* The key commandment: “You shall devote your worship to God alone” (in Arabic “Wahdahu”) occurs in 7:70;
39:45; 40:12,84; and 60:4. The total of these numbers adds up to 361, or 19×19.
* The Quran is characterized by a unique phenomenon that is not found in any other book: 29 chapters are
prefixed with “Quranic Initials” which remained mysterious for 1406 years. With the discovery of the code 19 , we
realized their major role in the Quran’s mathematical structure. The initials occur in their respective chapters in
multiples of 19. For example, Chapter 19 has five letters in its beginning, K.H.Y.A’.SS., and the total occurrence of
these letters in this chapter is 798, or 19×42.
* To witness the details of the miracle of these initials, a short chapter which begins with one initial, letter “Q” will
be a good example. The frequency of “Q” in chapter 50 is 57, or 19×3. The letter “Q” occurs in the other Q‐initialed
chapter, i.e., chapter 42, exactly the same number of times, 57. The total occurrence of the letter “Q” in the two
Q‐initialed chapters is 114, which equals the number of chapters in the Quran. “The Quran” is mentioned in the
Quran 57 times. The description of the Quran as “Majid” (Glorious) is correlated with the frequency of occurrence
of the letter “Q” in each of the Q‐initialed chapters. The word “Majid” has a gematrical value of 57. Chapter 42
consists of 53 verses, and 42+53 is 95, or 19×5. Chapter 50 consists of 45 verses, and 50+45 is 95, or 19×5. The
number of Q’s in all ver‐ses numbered “19” throughout the Quran is 76, or 19×4.
* The Quran mentions 30 different numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 19, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 99, 100,
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200, 300, 1000, 2000, 3000, 5000, 50000, & 100000. The sum of these numbers is 162146, which equals 19×8534.
* If we write down the number of each verse in the Quran, one next to the other, preceded by the number of
verses in each chapter, the resulting long number consists of 12692 digits (19×668). Additionally, the huge number
itself is also a multiple of 19.
The details of this study is endless. Keeping up with the new discoveries is a challenging task.
Is this mathematical structure unique to the Quran? For a while we thougt so. But, we were wrong. The same
19‐based mathematical composition was discovered by Rabbi Judah in the 12th century AD in a preserved part of
the Old Testament. Evidently, the prime number 19 is the signiture of God, the Greatest Matematician.
Below is the copy from Studies In Jewish Mysticism:
“The people (Jews) in France made it a custom to add (in the morn ing prayer) the words: Ashrei temimei derekh
(blessed are those who walk the righteous way), and our Rabbi, the Pious, of blessed memory, wrote that they
were completely and utterly wrong. It is all gross falsehood, be cause there are only nineteen times that the Holy
Name is mentioned (in that portion of the morning prayer), . . . and similarly you find the word Elohim nineteen
times in the peri cope of Ve‐ elleh shemot . . . .
Similarly, you find that Israel were called sons nineteen times, and there are many other examples. All these sets
of nineteen are intricately inter twined, and they contain many secrets and esoteric meanings, which are
contained in more than eight volumes. Therefore, anyone who has the fear of God in him will not listen to the
words of the Frenchmen who add the verse Ashrei temimei derekh (blessed are those who walk in the paths of
God s Torah, for according to their additions the Holy Name is mentioned twenty times . . . and this is a great
mistake. Furthermore, in this section there are 152 words, but if you add Ashrei temimei derekh there are 158
words. This is nonsense, for it is a great and hidden secret why there should be 152 words . . .” (Dan, Joseph.
Studies In Jewish Mysticism, Association for Jewish Studies. Cambridge, Massachusetts: 1978, p 88.)
There are primarily four possible explanations:
1) Manipulation: You may be skeptical about our data regarding the mathematical structure of Quran. However,
you can eliminate this option in several hours by random checking of our detailed computer print out. We have
published them in several books and they can be obtained from the Monotheist Production International.
2) Coincidence: This possibility is eliminated by the statistical probability laws. The consistency and frequency of
the 19‐based pattern is much too overwhelming to occur coincidentally.
3) Human fabrication: While fabricating a literary work that meets the criteria of the document summarized here
is a stunning challenge for our computer generation, it is certainly improbable for the time of initiation of the
document, namely, 610 AD. One more fact augments the improbability of human fabrication. If a certain person
or persons had fabricated this literary work, they would want to reap the fruits of their efforts; they would have
bragged about it.
In view of the originality, complexity, and mathematical sophistication of this work, we have to admit that it is
ingenious. However, no one has ever claimed credit for this unique literary code; the code was never known prior
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to the computer decoding accomplished by Dr. Khalifa. Therefore it is reasonable to exclude the possibility of
human fabrication.
The timing of the discovery may be considered another evidence for the existence and full control of Supreme
Being: The mystery of the number 19 which is mentioned as “one of the greatest events” in the chapter 74 (The
Hidden Secret) was unveiled exactly 1406 (19×74) lunar years after the revelation of the Quran. Dr. Khalifa
discovered the code 19 in 1974. The connection between 19 and 74 (the number of the chapter which this code is
mentioned) is significant in the timing of the discovery.
4. Super Intelligent Source: The only remaining possibility is that a super intelligent source is responsible for this
document; one who designed the work in this extraordinary manner, then managed to keep it a well guarded
secret for 14 centuries, for a predetermined time.
The mathematical code ensures that the source is super intelligent and also that the document is perfectly intact.
The following excerpts are from the famous astronomer and science‐fiction writer Carl Sagan’s book:
“No, don’t you see? This would be different. This isn’t just starting the universe out with some precise
mathematical laws that determine physics and chemistry. This is a message. Whoever makes the universe hides
messages in transcendental numbers so they’ll be read fifteen billion years later when intelligent life finally
evolves. I criticized you and Rankin the time we first met for not understanding this. ‘If God wanted us to know
that he existed, why didn’t he send us an unambiguous message?’ I asked. Remember?”
“I remember very well. You think God is a mathematician.”
“Something like that. If what we’re told is true. If this isn’t a wild‐goose chase. If there’s a message hiding in pi
and not one of the infinity of other transcendental numbers. That’s a lot of ifs.”
“You’re looking for Revelation in arithmetic. I know a better way.”
“Palmer, this is the only way. This is the only thing that would convince a skeptic. Imagine we find something. It
doesn’t have to be tremendously complicated. Just something more orderly than could accumulate by chance that
many digits into pi. That’s all we need. Then mathematicians all over the world can find exactly the same pattern
or message or whatever it proves to be. Then there are no sectarian divisions. Everybody begins reading the same
Scripture. No one could then argue that the key miracle in the religion was some conjurer’s trick, or that later
historians had falsified the record, or that it’s just hysteria or delusion or a substitute parent for when we grow
up. Everyone could be a believer.” (Carl Sagan, Contact, Simon & Schuster, New York, 1985, p 418‐419)
Eerily, almost everything exactly has been happening according to Carl Sagan’s prediction with an exception that
the code of the divine message is not pi, it is a peculiar prime number. Also the last statement seems to be too
optimistic, at least for the time being. Already millions of Muslims have rejected the mathematical code based on
the presupposition that the Creator of the universe won’t employ mathematics in his book. And born‐again
Christians are ready to coin it as Anti Christ.
However, this mathematically coded message promises a new era in the world of religions. It does not only
provide an examinable evidence for the existence of God, it also expose the widespread corruption plagued all
the organized religions. This mathematical code suggests (as it is published in our numerous books) a
“Copernican revolution” in theology of religions. Instead of Krishna‐centered, or Jesus‐centered, or Muhammad‐
centered religions we must turn to the original center, to the God‐centered model.
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The “learned Muslim scholars” cannot understand or accept this clear mathematical composition. Indeed, the
verse 74:31 prophecies that hypocrites will not be able to understand this miracle. Also the verse 7:146 describes
those people who are deprived of seeing the miracle:
I will divert from My revelations those who are arrogant on earth, without justification. Consequently, when they
see every kind of miracle they will not believe. And when they see the path of guidance they will not adopt it as
their path, but when they see the path of straying they will adopt it as their path. This is the consequence of their
rejecting our revelations, and of being totally heedless thereof. (7:146)
a) Are all of those mathematical facts coincidences?
b) How many letters are there in the opening statement of the Quran i.e., Basmalah? Why do your ancient
scholars (Fahreddin er Razi, Qurtubi etc.) who counted the letters of Basmalah agree on 19 letters? Why after the
discovery of the miracle do you refute your respected ancient scholars?
c) 786 is the gematrical value of Basmalah used by Muslims to represent the Basmalah. How many letters does
this famous number represent?
d) Why do you fail in counting the 19 letters of Basmalah which is a very simple and very obvious physical fact?
e) Almighty God in 74:31 gives us a list of functions of the number “19”. This is what “19” will do: 1) Disturb the
disbelievers. 2) Establish certainty in the hearts of the believers, the Jews, and the Christians, concerning the
divine origin of the Quran. 3) Strengthen the faith of the faithful. 4) Remove all doubt from the hearts of the
believers, and the Jews, and the Christians. 5) Expose the hypocrites and the disbelievers who claim with their lip
service to be believers; they will not accept the 19‐based miracle. The mathematical miracle of the Quran fulfills all
these functions one by one. The question to the Muslim scholars who reject God’s miracle is: How will the
number 19 establish certainty in the hearts of people? How will the number 19 remove all doubt from the people’s
heart? How will the hypocrites be exposed? What are the functions of your 19?
f) The reason for your rejection of this great miracle has been explained in 74:31; 7:146 and 6:25. Why do you not
kill your ego, and purify your heart?
g) How was the prophecy of 10:20; 27:93 & 41:53 fulfilled?
h) Is it not significant that the same 19‐based mathematical composition was discovered by Rabbi Judah in the
12th century AD in a preserved part of the Old Testament? (See Studies In Jewish Mysticism, Association for
Jewish Studies, Cambridge, Mass., Joseph Dan, page 88, 1982).
i) What do you think about the Quranic prophecy on this discovery which confirms the mathematical miracle of
the scriptures?: “Proclaim: ‘What if it is from God, and you disbelieved in it? A witness from the Children of
Israel has borne witness to a similar phenomenon, and he has believed, while you have turned too arrogant to
believe. God does not guide the wicked.’ ” (46:10).
j) What do A.L.M., HH.M., Y.S., Q. mean? Why is the Quranic expression “These are the miracles –ayaat– of this
book” found ONLY in conjunction with Quranic initials? (10:1; 12:1; 13:1; 15:1; 26:1‐2; 27:1; 28:1‐2; 32:1‐2).
“A RELIGION NEVER AUTHORIZED BY GOD” (42:21)
The extent to which Islam has been corrupted is illustrated in the following:
In the paranthesis are some of the Chapter:Verse numbers that contradict the traditional orthodox teaching.
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Hadith and Sunna (6:19,38,114; 7:3; 12:111; 17:46; 31:6; 45:6; 69:38‐47 …..)
Killing whomever they consider an apostate (2:256; 4:90; 10:99;18:29; 88:21,22.)
Cutting off the hand of the thief (5:38, 12:31)
Stoning the adulterers to death (24:2; 4:25.
Killing muslims who do not observe prayer (2:256; 18:29; 20:14)
Killing one who drinks alcohol for the 4th time ( 2:256; 18:29)
Forbidding menstruating women from worshiping (2:222)
Forbidding women from the Friday prayer (62:9)
Oppressing women and forcing them to wear head‐covers and unreasonable clothes; and depriving them of all
rights in marriage, divorce, inheritance, etc. (3:195; 4:19,32; 9:71; 2:228.)Y
Insulting women by instituting that “if a monkey, or a black dog, or a woman passes in front of a praying person,
his prayer is nullified” (9:71; 33:35 …)
Idolizing Muhammad against his will:
Calling him “the most honorable messenger” 2:285
Claiming that he was infallible (4:79; 9:117; 33:37; 40:66; 42:52; 66:1; 80:1‐10; 93:7)
Setting up his tomb as a “Sacred Mosque” (2:149‐150)
Claiming that he possesses power of intercession (2:48,123,254; 6:70,94; 7:53; 10:3; 39:44; 43:86; 74:48.)
Adding his name in the five daily prayers and Azan (20:14; 72:18)
Adding his name to the First Pillar of Islam, Shahadah (3:18; 37:35; 39:45)
Inventing a funny story about his ascension to the heavens on a horse, and talking God out of 50 prayers a day,
after consulting Moses. (17:1; 53:1‐18)
Insulting Muhammad:
Claiming that he advised people to drink urine (7:157)
Claiming that he gouged out people’s eyes (3:159; 68:4)
Claiming that he possessed sexual drive of 30 men (33:21)
Claiming that he was illiterate, un‐intelligent (96:1‐5 and many more)
Claiming that he had been bewitched by a Jew (17:47; 25:8)
Claiming that he cursed a child passing in front of him during prayer and the child became crippled (3:159)
Nullifying the fact that Muhammad was the last prophet by teaching that Jesus will come back to this world. This
makes Jesus the last prophet (33:40; 19:30)
A bizarre dietary system with multitudes of prohibition and contradictions (6:145‐150; 16:115,116)
Claiming that hell will not touch them, except for a limited number of days. (2:80‐82; 3:23‐25)
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Altering the four consecutive Sacred Months. (9:37)
Limiting the pilgrimage to three days (2:197)
Neglecting the Zakat charity through distortion (6:141)
Giving a punishment of 60 straight days of fasting for one nullified day of fasting. (2:184)
Inventing numerous rules from ablution, to prayer, to sleeping, to cutting one’s nails. (5:101; 42:21; 2:67‐71)
Prohibiting gold and silk for men. (5:48,49; 7:31‐32; 18:31; 22:23; 35:33)
Prohibiting music, painting, and the arts. (7:32; 42:21; 34:13)
Rejecting writing a will for parents and relatives. (2:180; 4:11‐12)
Claiming that the age of responsibility for males starts at 15, for females starts at 12. Anybody who dies after
these ages as a non‐muslim, will go to hell (46:15)
Claiming that some verses contradict some verses and therefore they abrogate each other. For example they do
not believe in 2:180; 2:219. (4:82; 15:90‐92; 2:85)
Claiming that Muhammad added an extra prohibition and abrogated the last part of 4:24. (17:73‐75; 69:40‐47)
Changing the meaning of the Quranic words. (Such as nabi ‐prophet‐ & rasoul ‐messenger‐, ayat ‐miracle,sign‐ &
ayaat ‐miracles, verses‐). (5:41)
Claiming that Muhammad was the last messenger. (33:40; 3:81; 33:7)
Omitting Basmalah and adding a non Quranic word “ameen” to the end of al‐Faatiha in the prayers. (1:1‐7)
Reciting al‐Faatiha silently in the noon and afternoon prayers. (17:110)
Accepting the division into sects as God’s mercy. (6:159; 30:32; 23:52‐56)
Changing the number of the letters of the Basmalah to reject the great mathematical miracle. (1:1; 74:30‐37)
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1. 1 Abdallah
June 18, 2007 at 8:25 am
Asalaam Alaikoum
I’ve an question , did you believe by the messenger Rashad Khalifa ?
Peace
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2. 2 samy
June 18, 2007 at 9:25 am
no
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3. 3 treesandstones
June 22, 2007 at 11:07 am
The following is a very important question: on other sections of this site,its is said that the Quran states there
are only 3 contact prayers ie fajir, asr and isha. Wereas the above article states the following : What About
Religious Practices?
Contact prayers are decreed at specific times (4:104). The Dawn Prayer
(24:58), the Noon Prayer (17:78), the Afternoon Prayer (2:238), the Sunset
Prayer (11:114), and the Night Prayer (24:58) is mentioned specifically
in the Quran.
Please can you explain this. thanks
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4. 4 samy
June 23, 2007 at 6:06 am
you are right , thats an error
i have to edit
thank you
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5. 5 samy
June 24, 2007 at 3:00 pm
no noon nor afternoon
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6. 6 Mahmut
July 1, 2007 at 10:48 am
Hi Samy,
Related to error on prayer times. You don’t have to edit that part but instead you can add a parenthesis to
clarify the issue. Ex: Later, we have learned from Quran that traditional daily 5 prayers was not correct, please
exam Quranic verses related to issue see.. ayah numbers. I am suggesting this so that people can see when we
are not error free and when we learn something from Quran with God’s grace we leave our old habits based
on a new knowledge from Quran. This is an on going process and we will be judged by not belief of our
parents or our community but our personal belief in god.
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Peace,
Mahmut
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7. 7 samy
July 1, 2007 at 2:19 pm
Hi Mahmut,
I think the author of the book once edited parts concerning timings of salat later in one of his articles,
and i think its important to be consistent in the information i post as much as I can .
I agree that its important to let the people know that we believe that we are not free from errors but sometimes
it can cause confusion like what has just happened here to treesandstones.
Thats why i think its better to discuss each article and book together and edit the original according to what is
best and most precise to eliminate confusion for beginners .
I can read the arabic text to understand the truth but other readers are having problems when reading
different translations by different people having different understanding of the text.
Thank you Mahmut
peace,
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8. 8 daniel
July 12, 2007 at 9:16 am
u are not muslim..u want to create confusion
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9. 9 Moody
September 23, 2007 at 11:50 am
I read this site in the beggining. It appears to me as if, some body is trying to portrait ugly, sinical picture of
Islam by twisting all what it tells and simply by lying. Definitely somebody extremely racist, single minded
bully who thinks ONLY he and his kind of people are always right and 1.5 billion muslims are stupids
according to their DEMOCRATIC OPEN MINDED opinion and EVLOTION only made their race humans.
YOU SOUNDS EVIL, YOU ARE SPREADING EVIL AND YOU ARE EVIL.
STOP ATTACKING AND KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE,
IF YOU THINK YOU ARE REALLY HUMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All it takes only one reading of Quran with understanding (authentic translation not lies) and it becomes very
hard to resist.
Opinions are made upon understanding and certain knowledge, which differ from person to person. For some
God is a myth, for some they believe or want to believe according to their religion and for some He is as real as
His.
Below are few examples in the favor of Muslim belief:
For muslims Big Bang Theory is not something new, it is more than 1400 years old, revealed in our Holy Book
along with more than 1000 other scientific facts which are happened to be established recently in couple of
centuries. And the answers of so many confusing questions which keep humans going astray throughout our
lives. And as a fact we know they were revealed before discovered, make it very easy for us to reach to the
conclusion……(simply apply the scientific rule of Probability….What if it is 100% correct…IF YOU KNOW
PORBABILITY RULE THEN ITS NOT A JOKE!! in simple words it means, if there is one STATEMENT, there
are 50/50 chance it is right or wrong. It could be a fluck. If 2 statements chances of guess work are 25% each
right or wrong. And if there more than 1000 scientifically proven statments before they were established and
all are correct. Then PROBABILITY chances are INFINITE in the favor.
Even 50 ZERO after decimel point in probability is considered zero % right or wrong result)
very few examples,
I have created all the creatures from earth and all the living beings are made out of water (Chapter 21) (living
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being which are meant to die/perish)
Don’t you see the earth and sky was together and I separated them, still you don’t believe
(Chapter 21)
I have created sky upon earth for your protection and there is sign for you
(Chapter 21)
All the stars, moon and sun are floating in their skies
(Chapter 21)
All the skies are holding with out pillars and there is sign for you
(Chapter 21)
For us God means (The One, Ultimate Creator, Who is Uncreated and above time Always present before and
after time and beyond our limited level of comprehension)
Below is the TOUCH STONE of God that He revealed in our Holy Book:
1‐ He is One and Only
2‐the Eternal, Absolute;
,the eternally Besought of all! on Whom all depend.
3‐He begets not, nor is He begotten.
4‐And there is none comparable unto Him.
And none is like Him.
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10. 10 Moody
I meant to say “For some God is a myth, for some they believe or want to believe according to their religion
and for some He is as real as His creation”
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11. 11 Stefan
September 23, 2007 at 2:36 pm
YOU SOUNDS EVIL, YOU ARE SPREADING EVIL AND YOU ARE EVIL.
STOP ATTACKING AND KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE,
IF YOU THINK YOU ARE REALLY HUMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
please get into more details to understand what is discussed here .
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12. 12 Rana Ammar Mazhar
Please check
http://www.aboutquran.com/
http://www.aboutquran.com/ba/ba.htm
Thanks.
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13. 13 Stefan
the web site is really good…
interesting topics
thank you
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14. 14 NABIL
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October 13, 2007 at 2:28 pm
kindly tell me about you and this site? who you are and who are running this site? secondly which school of
thought you belong?
hope you reply thanx
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15. 15 Stefan
October 13, 2007 at 11:36 pm
First of all, thank you for your interest in Truthbooth.
I really hesitate on categorizing or labelling myself so excuse me if my reply is a little bit vague. I belong to no
particular school of thought but just a free‐thinker open to all ideas. I am a Muslim, a Sunni by inheritance, but
I am interested in studying all religions. My interests here are really to create a space for open‐dialogue to
elaborate on fundamentals of religions and to study the way in which they govern our lives.
I hope this information was useful for you
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16. 16 Stefan
October 14, 2007 at 12:43 am
Sukran,
What do you think ?
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17. 17 Sukran
October 14, 2007 at 6:36 am
I have just a little to add Stefan; I cannot consider myself belong to any religious sect, other than this I repeat
what Stefan said. I am a Muslim. I try to study Qur’an without receiveing any influence ‐hadiths, learned
information, any particular school or sect, etc.‐ other than the Qur’an itself. I strongly believe in free conscious
to pull up what it is exactly said in the Qur’an as much as possible.
I cannot find myself so far in no school, no political party or no sect, I am just simply muslim. Actually I
believe that different Islamic sects and schools are in violation of the Qur’an since they limit the free
understanding of the ‘individuals’.
Thank you for stopping by at Truthbooth and your interest.
I hope I could answer your question.
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18. 18 Eagle
Amazing
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19. 19 treesandstones
October 22, 2007 at 11:42 am
Maybe its time we as Muslims went back to basics!!! THE QURAN
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20. 20 mohamdino
Stephan, i just have a question,
after i submitted my comment, i received a message saying, YOUR COMMENT IS AWAITING
MODERATION, WHAT IS THAT??? WHO MODERATES IT AND WHAT IS MODERATION??
THANKS
MOHAMADINO
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21. 21 mohamdino
STEPHAN,
I HAVE PUT A COMMENT BUT I DON’T FIND IT HERE?? DOES MOERATION HAS SOMETHING TO DO
WITH THAT??
IT WAS A VERY MODERATE MESSAGE BY THE WAY. HEHEHE
MOHAMADINO
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22. 22 DINO MOHAMADINOOO
MUSLIMS of the world UNITE !!!
I think it is about time that the Muslims of the north, east, west and south unite. This unity is the real power
and influence. This is the area where we should focus our efforts as Muslims. I think it is not the right time to
think whether Quran alone or Quran and Sunnah, hegab or not… I think god’s message is the same in Islam,
Christianity or any other holy religion, or even in hadith. It is to be a real good and pure humans, to be good
to ourselves, others, the environment and above all to god to make the world a better environment for
everybody. Religion is about avoiding evil, our inside evil, evil doing, evil people, evil spirits and evil
thoughts. To purify ourselves from evil for the good, for god and the humanity. Although it is a very simple
massage, just to be good human, humans are unable to do it, since Adam till now, but what we are able to do
very good at is arguing, arguing and arguing about our arguments…If we have succeeded in doing so, I mean
being good humans, maybe god would have not sent any messengers at the first place.
B ack to the Article I think that the writer has forgotten a very important aya in the Quran (WA MA ATAKOM
EL RASOUL FAKHOZOUH WA MA NAHAKOM 3ANHO FANTAHO)
Which means that we should follow the teachings of prophet Mohamed, who has been described by god in the
Quran by ( WA MA YANTEKO 3AN EL HAWA) which means that Mohamed don’t say anything from his
head but he is inspired by god.
So we have a direct order from God in the Quran to follow Mohamed ‘s teaching, those teachings are laid
down in sounna book, the authors of those book where doing their best to make sure that those teaching are
authenticated to Mohamed. Anyways, as long as those teaching does not drive us to do something wrong for
god, ourselves, and others, so what’s bad of following them. Sometimes Quran language is difficult to
understand by modern Muslims, so what’s the harm in resorting to sunna for modern Muslim to understand
better their religion as long as this Sunna is from trust worthy sunna books.
Sorry for being too long.
Finally, maybe I am wrong, anyways only god who knows the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the
truth . I am a lawyer so excuse my language
Cheers and have a nice day…peace for all of you, and thanks Stefan for this interesting website.
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23. 23 Stefan
Welcome DINO MOHAMADINOOO,
The problem is that after examining the teachings of mohamed (pbuh) from the Quran and the teachings of
hadith separately , one can conclude that relying on such books as an integral part to the Quran can create
confusion and may lead to the misconception of the true meanings and interpretations of the Quran.
“as long as those teaching does not drive us to do something wrong for god, ourselves, and others, so what’s
bad of following them”
Unfortunately mixing orders from God in the Quran with orders claimed to be the prophet’s teachings from
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Hadith will cause division and confusion because who will decide which Hadith is authentic.
another problem is the unfulfilled prophecies of Hadith, hundreds of prophecies waiting to fulfilled by wars
against other religions which has no roots in the Quran.
Why will God exclude prophecies of mahdi and wars from the Quran ?
Which sect has the best Hadith ?
You can clearly see the political influence the hadith books gave to Islam from sharia laws.
Cheers
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24. 24 Stefan
There is an important clarification i left out in my previous comment:
when the Quran states
“WA MA ATAKOM EL RASOUL FAKHOZOUH WA MA NAHAKOM 3ANHO FANTAHO“
(59:7)
it was meant at the time to tell people to follow the Prophet who was transmitting the message of God through
the Quran.
The teachings of the Prophet were one and the same with the Quran. The divergence between the Quran and
the SUnna came later after the death of the prophet when descrepencies began to appear amongst the different
Islamic sects and followers. The Sunna then became somewhat seperate from the Quran and Sunna followers
took the aya WA MA ATAKOM EL RASOUL FAKHOZOUH WA MA NAHAKOM 3ANHO FANTAHO to
signify that we must follow both the Quran and the Sunna.
However, this is a clear misunderstanding for if it is understood within its context, this aya only shows that
God is ordering the followers to follow the Prophet as he is the deliverer of God’s message, not follow a whole
seperate set of guidelines set forth in a seperate book. why then were these teachings originally excluded from
the Quran? why would God descend a book that is partially complete if it He has stated over and over in the
Holy Quran that it is a perfectly wholesome text?
I hope that I have better clarified my argument.
Peace
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25. 25 Stefan
Sukran ?
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26. 26 Stefan
what do you think ?
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27. 27 Sukran
Thanks, Stefan.
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Hi, Dino Mohamadinooo,
I do not know exactly which ayath you are mentioning by “WA MA ATAKOM EL RASOUL FAKHOZOUH
WA MA NAHAKOM 3ANHO FANTAHO”.
Stefan always makes great explanations on questions, and most of the time I support his point of view, from
his statement which is “Sunna followers took the aya WA MA ATAKOM EL RASOUL FAKHOZOUH WA MA
NAHAKOM 3ANHO FANTAHO to signify that we must follow both the Quran and the Sunna.” I assume it is
the ayath suggesting to follow both Qur’an and Prophet.
First of all, at the time this ayath was received there were no hadiths and sunna, so it is impossible to not to
consider it as ‘controversial’ whether it is being indicated sayings and actings of the Prophet.
In Qur’an Allah says “5:3. This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and
chosen for you Islam as a religion;…”
My sense is if it was necessary to add Prophet’s sayings or actions to the Qur’an they would have been added
to the Qur’an, besides Prophet’s hadith which prohibits to write anything from him is supposed to be another
evidence for hadith followers for we do not need put anything else other than Qur’an as ‘divine rule’ for our
religion.
Qur’an, our intelligence and our own consciousness. These are all we have and we can trust.
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28. 28 aliel
Dear All:
I want to make a comment on ‘WA MA ATAKOM EL RASOUL FAKHOZOUH WA MA NAHAKOM 3ANHO
FANTAHO’:
it is very important when studying the Quran to clearly read the verse and the context. The sentence quoted
above is only part of a verse i.e. God (SWT) was commanding the people fighting the war with the prophet to
take into possession the things the prophet told them to use and leave everything else behind. It is a specific
incident and by no means should be taken as a general rule.
There is no way that God (SWT)would expect us because half of a verse is stating this to start collecting
endless hearsay, writing tens of books and attributing things/deeds/saying/teachings to the prophet and then
expect us to follow the books WE HUMANS wrote. Who are we truly worshiping then? God or the humans
who wrote those books?
Another issue: you state that you don’t believe that RK is a messenger. Of course it is your opinion and you
are entitled to it but I would ask you to read Sura (Chapter) 72 and think about the following:
1) Why are the Jinn saying that they heard a strange Quran and what is the difference between the Jinn saying
this here and what they say previously about hearing a book after (the book revealed to) Moses…?
2) If the Jinn in verse 7 are talking about Mohammed why do they say that we thought that God (SWT)will not
send anyone when it was common knowledge back at the time of Mohammed that God (SWT) will send a
prophet. Don’t you think it could be possible that this verse is talking about us and not talking about an event
in history? It is incidentally today’s muslims who always say that God will not send messengers anymore. Is it
possible that this verse is a prophecy about events that will happen years after the Quran is revealed?
3) Why is verse 18 using the word Masaged and telling people to worship God alone in them. Where there a
lot of masaged at the time of Mohammed and if there were, do you think people were worshiping anyone
other than God in Masaged built by muslims at the dawn of Islam?
4) who is the person God (swt) is referring to from verse 19‐23 who tells them not to worship someone next to
God (SWT) in those places?
5) Also note now many times the word Rashada is mentioned in this chapter and how the chapter ends…
Peace and may God show us his path
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29. 29 Stefan
October 25, 2007 at 11:21 am
DINO MOHAMADINOOO,
please see
https://pressthat.wordpress.com/2007/10/24/537/
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30. 30 Stefan
Dear Aliel,
Thank you very much for your interesting and articulate comment.
I do however wish to respond to your comments regarding the RK.
The 19 theory is proved to be from God according to Sura 74, therefore the purpose of the whole theory must
be described from the Sura itself, and I cannot find any indication that a new messenger will explain it, nor
any indication that it is going to predict the end of the world, numbers of daily salat and rakahs, etc.
In Sura 74, God tells us that the code of 19 is employed specifically to prove the divinity of the book as
opposed to those who claimed that the Quran is man‐made (74:25). There is indeed a mathematical structure
of code 19 in the Quran but it should not be exhausted to signify more than it does (see
https://pressthat.wordpress.com/2007/06/16/does‐the‐code‐of‐the‐quran/).The miracle behind the Quran is the
Quran itself, it does not need mathematical derivation to prove that it is miraculous. We should not diverge
from the original intent of the Quran and get distracted by its mathematical structure.
I think that the problem with the RK’s supporting proof as to why he is a messenger is completely faulty as it
is based on misinterpretations of some fundamental verses of the Quran. To indeed believe that RK is truly a
messenger, his teachings must be flawless. However, I think that the RK’s teachings are faulty because they
are based on many false and misinterpreted translations of the Quran. Let me highlight some examples:
With regards to the Salat, RK identifies the following as the contact prayers mentioned in the Quran::
“Many Muslims do not know that all the five prayers are mentioned in the Quran, their time is clearly
mentioned in several verses and that all the steps we do are found also in the Quran.
{1} FIVE PRAYERS A DAY AND THEIR TIME :
God gave us the times for the Salat (contact Prayers) in the Quran :
(1) The Dawn Prayer (Fajr in Arabic) given in 11:114, 24:58
(2) The Noon Prayer (Zuher in Arabic) , given in 17:78 and 30:18
(3) The Afternoon Prayer (Asr in Arabic), given in 2:238
(4) The sunset Prayer (Maghrib in Arabic), given in 11:114
(5) The Night Prayer (Isha in Arabic), given in 24:58
As you can see from the Quran, God tells us to do our Contact prayers (Salat) at specific times” RK
The above is full of errors as RK has wrongly translated the Quranic verses.
Primarily,
” The Noon Prayer (Zuher in Arabic) , given in 17:78 and 30:18″ RK
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‫ َم ْشھُودًا‬ َ‫ َكان‬ ‫ ْالفَجْ ِر‬ َ‫قُرْ آن‬ ‫إِ ﱠن‬ ‫ ْالفَجْ ِر‬ َ‫ َوقُرْ آن‬ ‫اللﱠ ْي ِل‬ ‫ق‬ ‫أَقِ ِم ال ﱠ‬
ِ ُ‫صالَةَ ِل ُدل‬
ِ ‫وك ال ﱠش ْم‬
ِ ‫ َغ َس‬ ‫س إِلَى‬
Thou shall hold the contact‐method until the dipping of the sun; until the darkness of the night; and the
Quran at dawn, the Quran at dawn has been witnessed. 17:78
RK translates it: “You shall observe the Contact Prayer (Salat) when the sun declines from its highest point
at noon, as it moves towards sunset. You shall also observe (the recitation of) the Quran at dawn. (Reciting)
the Quran at dawn is witnessed.”
The literal translation of this verse however is “Start/keep up the prayers to the sun’s nearing setting to the
night’s darkness, and the dawn’s Koran, that the dawn’s Koran was/is being witnessed”.
http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=17&vid=78
RK error revolves around the term “dalak” which has resulted in all the confusion.Dalakat means disappeared
or gone and therefore duluk al shams signifies the time of ghorob or sunset (maghrib). From where did RK
deduce that dalakat refers to noon?
Another error is in the following verse:
ْ ُ‫ت‬ َ‫ َو ِحين‬ ‫ َوع َِشيًّا‬ ‫ض‬

َ‫ظ ِھرُون‬ ِ ْ‫ َو ْاألَر‬ ‫ت‬
ِ ‫ال ﱠس َما َوا‬ ‫فِي‬ ‫ ْال َح ْم ُد‬ ُ‫َولَه‬
And to Him is all praise in the heavens and in the Earth, and in the evening and when you go out.(30:18)
Does praise main prayer? Should God not be praised continuously throughout the day? This verse does not
suggest a certain Noon prayer but simply demands followers to praise God.
On the other hand, the following verse does suggest prayer but it does not however suggest a certain time.
“(3) The Afternoon Prayer (Asr in Arabic), given in 2:238 ” RK
ْ ‫ َوقُو ُم‬ ‫ ْال ُو ْسطَى‬ ‫صالَ ِة‬

َ‫قَانِتِين‬ ِ ّ ِ ‫وا‬ ِ ‫صلَ َوا‬
‫وال ﱠ‬ ‫ت‬ ْ ُ‫َحافِظ‬
‫ال ﱠ‬ ‫ َعلَى‬ ‫وا‬
Preserve the contact‐methods, and the middle contact‐method, and stand devoutly for God. (2:238)
There is clearly no timing mentioned.
“God tells us to do our Contact prayers (Salat) at specific times” RK
Its impossible to prove that the Quran mentions 5 Contact prayers (Salat) with their specific times
In order to believe that he is a messenger i have to believe his teachings.
If his teachings are indeed from God , then did God add the Noon and Afternoon prayers to support the Sunni
Salat program 24434 ?
Let me know what you think.
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October 26, 2007 at 12:01 am
Dear Stephan Aliel and Shoukran,
First i would like to thank you very much for your comments. I am sure that commenting will somehow clear
some pathes for all of us. However, i don’t want to argue on the matter, or claim that i know the truth..or give
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any other impression that i defend the point of view mentioned in my post…i am just thinking loud or
brainstorming with you guys..hoping for a clearer picture for all of us…
what i mean is, for Muslims current problems around the world, the best solution in my opinion is to unite in
terms of resources and manpower..which i believe is the most important thing that all the effort should focus
on..
Concerning your comments, three main ideas came to my mind after i read your comments…
Any debate which may create sub‐groups in the muslim society will eventually hinder or incumber the
muslim unity which is in my view much more important than any other issue nowadays..
I beleive Quran is complete and does not need any additional books or explanations for humans to do what
god requires from them..i look to it as a manual for humain to understand how to operate in the
environment..However, some people think that they want to get more blessings by following or doing as
Prophet Mohamed did or ask people to do in special circumstances…
If the teachings of prophet Mohamed are not meant to be followed or taken as a perfect example to be
followed by Muslims, why God has sent a prophit while he could have just sent the Quran alone without a
messenger…I think that sending a messenger with the holy message of God (Quran) means something…
those were my thoughts rather than a clear opinion….
Thanks guys and have a wonderful evening
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32. 32 Stefan
October 26, 2007 at 12:18 am
“If the teachings of prophet Mohamed are not meant to be followed or taken as a perfect example to be
followed by Muslims”
we are told as sunnis that Bukhari and Muslim’s books are a collection of the prophets sayings.
please check
https://pressthat.wordpress.com/2007/06/21/bukhari‐and‐muslim/
do you believe that those sahih hadiths are true ?
Teachings of the prophet are to be followed but those are not the teachings of the prophet.
Thank you dino
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33. 33 aliel
Dear Stefan:
Thank you very much for answering my post. Let me have one more round of discussion about RK but first of
all let us agree that Code 19 or the 19 number base of the Quran does exist. There is a verse in the Quran (I
believe it is about Saleh) where the idol‐worshipers go to his followers and ask them whether they believe he
is a messenger from God. The followers answer in a very smart way by saying we know that what he brought
is from God(SWT) ..in effect saying we can’t prove or disprove that he is a messenger….so perhaps this is the
way we could finish this argument. I say that i believe Code 19 is from God and that i tend to believe (i think)
that RK is a messenger. You will just say that you believe that Code 19 is from God but you tend to believe that
Rk is not a messenger.
Now to my problem with the way you reason. I don’t believe that ‘To indeed believe that RK is truly a
messenger, his teachings must be flawless.’ I don’t even believe it is RK’s job to have teachings to start with.
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All he is supposed to do is to try to understand God’s (SWT)words and if his understanding is correct, it still
wouldn’t prove him a messenger. When you read the Quran, you will see that all messengers did mistakes all
the time (I am sure you know that) but there is one specific example where God (SWT) is ‘attacking’
Mohammed because he is wuharam ma ahallahu Allah. This in itself proves that Mohammed’s interpretations
were sometimes incorrect. In my humble opinion any sayings or writings of prophets other than the
revelations by God (SWT) must include certain flaws for the following reasons:
1) they prove the difference between what is man‐made vs. what is God (SWT) made
2) they test the follower of a messenger/prophet to prove who is following him vs. who is following God (swt)
3) they are in a way the room for improvement for the coming generations
4) they teach us to be humble in front of God (SWT) and make us realise how little we know at the end. Please
note the way the Angels answer when God (SWT) asks them about the names….
For myself, I don’t believe that the Quran for instance talks about 5 prayers. When I read RK’s work I was
critical about some of it from the outset but at the end RK is a human being with weaknesses and
shortcomings like all of us. Let me try to elaborate:
Since the dawn of human history on Earth there are two parallel cultures living together; one culture is
man‐made and a second one God’s. It is always the free choice you have in your life to follow one of the two.
Human Culture: Is primary based on human value system that in my humble opinion boils down to the fact
that your SECURITY is in believing in your society/group. You follow the values of society so that you get to
feel safe within its structure. You value your family, your job, money etc because all of them are your source of
SECURITY. By doing this you are by default an idol‐worshiper because you attribute to society a main
Character of God (SWT)…Al Mo’amen i.e. the Securer. (my reading of this attribute is different from typical
reading). In effect, you don’t believe that God (SWT) is the one who watches over your life but society. Note
America’s reaction on 9/11. People were terrified because there fake walls of security were exposed in a few
hours. The same thing happens during natural disasters etc.
God (SWT)’s Culture: Is primary based on submitting to God (SWT) (the Primary Value) because you realise
that no matter what you do on Earth you are fundamentally very weak. By submitting to God (SWT) and
worshiping Him alone you effectively get out of the rules of society…so let me give an example of how your
attitude should be towards things like money,poverty,intelligence, stupidity etc. If you realise you are weak in
some form or strong in some other your options will be to either realise it is from God and ask Him to better
your conditions or be grateful for what you have or you think it is from own self i.e. your ego. If you take
option 1 then this weakness or strength in itself becomes a secondary value in your life because it helped you
to submit to God (SWT). Please note what Abraham so brilliantly argues with his people 6:80 and 81. However
you must realise that all human beings even prophets and messengers belonging to God’s (SWT)culture are
still flawed.
When you migrate from Culture one to Culture two then you choose to be a Muslim. Islam is the only true
revolution, not the French, not the Soviet and not the Iranian.
Hi Dino:
Thank you for your argument but I tend to differ with you on the following:
I don’t believe that the problem with Muslims today is to unite or not. I believe that the problem of all human
beings including Muslims is when they stop searching for the Truth (Al Haq). I don’t want to be united with
people under one flag or one label when they abuse God’s words and use them to achieve their earthly needs
of money and power. I simply can’t see any gain in uniting with people who oppress women, abuse the weak,
promote racial supremacy etc. I don’t care whether these people call themselves Muslims, Christian, Jews,
Buddhist or whatever. The Quran tells me who my people are (al omran, the prophets, the believers etc.) and
those are the people I would be honoured to unite with.
If today’s so‐called Muslims want to really develop, they must learn to accept their differences in opinion and
argue in a civilised form, they must learn to be humble in front of God (swt) and to stop believing that
Paradise is their exclusive hotel on the Day of the Judgment. I am sure there are hundreds of thousands of
people who are Jewish, Christians, Buddhists etc. who spend their whole life in pursuit of the Truth. They
don’t have the luxury of being born and having the Quran at every corner bookstore, yet they live by
standards much closer to God’s culture than me. The unity of people could be another one of the secondary
values if it serves the ultimate value of submitting to God. (see above)
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Thank you all for reading this long argument and may God show us his Path of Truth.
Peace
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34. 34 Sukran
I could have found nowhere in the Qur’an saying “WA MA ATAKOM EL RASOUL FAKHOZOUH WA MA
NAHAKOM 3ANHO FANTAHO”. Could you please give me the number of the verse this sentence is being
mentioned?
Thanks.
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35. 35 Stefan
https://pressthat.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/273/#comment‐1357
(59:7)
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36. 36 Sukran
oops, my bad, thank you.
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37. 37 aliel
October 27, 2007 at 12:22 am
Dear Sukran:
As I said it is only part of a verse and should be read within that context. I don’t believe it is a general
command from God because it would have been a stand‐alone verse and normally within a series of verses
where God (swt) commands us to do certain things.
Peace
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38. 38 Stefan
October 27, 2007 at 12:27 am
Aliel,
I really think you should read 3:81 in context and see whether it’s talking about a new messenger after
Mohammed as RK claimed or it is addressing the people of the book about Mohammed, and tell me your
view….
Thank you
Peace
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39. 39 Stefan
we can discuss together our views because it is a very critical verse
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40. 40 aliel
Dear Stefan:
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We can discuss this as much as you like but I want you to understand that I am not really trying to change
your point of view. I am engaging in arguments like that to check my logic and see whether it stands or not. If
I can’t make my argument stand here, I will surely have a lot of problems to make it stand on DJ. I want you to
understand that I fully respect your point of view and I agree that verses can be read with multiple
interpretations. Our only hope is to be closer to the Truth (swt) but only The Truth (swt) Himself is
all‐knowing.
Also, I didn’t specifically talk about 3:81 but since you want to discuss it, I will try to tell you my point of view
about it.
When I first read the Quran, I came across verse 3:78 and I really got stunned. I was always under the
impression that the Quran was untouchable (sunni background) and here was a verse telling me that the
mushriks will use a language (wording) close to the Book (i.e. the Quran) for us to think that it is part of it…I
realised that we could be duped into believing something was part of the book which it isn’t. At that time I
didn’t know anything about the code.
When years later I read the Code I noticed something very strange: This verse was telling me about the
tampering that they undertook, the following two were telling me what the tampering will be about i.e. that
the prophet will never tell us to worship him next to God (swt) (which 9.128 was effectively telling us to do)
and then it was followed by the verse you talk about 3.81.
Now what I found interesting about 3:81 is the fact that it talks first about prophets given God’s revelations
and a messenger coming to support those. In my experience with the Quran when God changes from prophets
to messengers or from one thing to the other He is trying to make you notice something….let me give you
another example: When you read 29:14 you will notice that God (swt) says that He sent down Noah to his
people and he lived with them 1000 Sannah minus 50 AAM…this is indeed very strange because for me it
implies that Sannah is different than AAM… I did a lot of research about this which we can discuss in another
topic but to get back to 3:81 for me it implies that this messenger cannot be a prophet therefore he cannot be
Mohammed. If you read the context fully 3:78‐3:81, those verses basically talk about 9.128‐129 not being part of
the book, what they will say and who will clear this issue for us i.e. RK.
Also, please read verses 15:86‐99 which talk about divided people who believed in parts of the Quran and not
all of it(15:90‐91). Again here, in my humble opinion it is talking about today’s Muslims not at the time of
Mohammed when people either believed in the whole of the Quran or not in it at all.
I hope this clarifies my point of view for you.
Peace
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1‐guys what about the verse saying (lakom fe rasoul allah oswa 7asana…)???which in english means you have
a good example in god’s massenger…
2‐ What about the ahadiths which Mohamed (Puh)predicted things which have really happend..
3‐ If it is not possible to take all Mohamed’s (puh) teachings or hadith for serious reasons of contradiction with
the Quran, then we don’t have to leave it all.. why shall we adopt a take it or leave it approach…we can take
authentic ones which is in line with Quran and leave non‐authentic ones…
4‐ As we all know heaven is grades or levels, so if Quran is the base line or minimum requirement then Quran
and hadith is for higher levels. I mean if you follow both Quran and Hadith you will definetly do more which
hopefully will be more regarded by god in the higher levels of heaven..
5‐ Theoretically if we have two probabilities: 1‐ Quran alone and 2‐Quran and Sunna. If we adopted the first
probability then discoverd that the second is the required one, in this case we have only done half of what’s
required and missed the other half.
but if we adopted the second probability (Quran and Sunna) then we discovered that only Quran is required
then we did not miss any thing..so the wise and conservative shall adopt the second probability because it
entails less risk of missing anything required.
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This is my view..
Thanks everyone..
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42. 42 aliel
Dear Dino:
there are so many obvious mistakes in your logic that i wouldn’t know where to start:
1) Do you believe God (SWT) when He specifically says that the Quran is complete or not? If yes then why do
you need to follow something other than the Quran? If not then do you truly believe in all the verses of the
Quran; one of them at least not….You have to start thinking about the genius and precision of God…when He
(SWT) says something is complete then it is complete no adds‐on no upgrades etc.. The system is perfect, fully
detailed and complete.
2) If you hear anyone telling you something in line with the Quran, go ahead and read it but BELIEVING in it
and claiming it is Mohamed’s words is a totally different issue.
3) please read 45:6 again and answer the simple question that is being asked. It is really a very basic question
and tell me what is your answer to it.
4) God (swt) tells you that Mohammed is a good example and says exactly the same about Abraham using
more or less the same words..Can you please name me all the ahadith and sunna of Abraham you are
following.
5) God (SWT) gave us the choice to choose between His heritage and ours as I argued above, you can’t dance
on a high wire with God. You either go with Him or not.
6) The ahadith totally destroyed Islam….they turned the religion of God into a series of rituals where saying
Shahada and praying 5 times a day will most certainly get you in Paradise…where is the essence of the
Religion? it is totally gone.
7) a lot of people predicted things about future events which happened (Nostradamus being one of the many)
what exactly are you trying to say?
8) Do you think following the miraculous book brought down from God to us is a base line? and if you follow
the hadith makes you actually are a BETTER Muslim?
9) the probability calculation is totally wrong because it is more of interference (waves) than probability really.
Peace
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43. 43 Stefan
Aliel,
I must say that Im very impressed by the excessive input you give in each of your comments. Even if we might
disagree on some points, you are still very tolerant of other points of view. And more interestingly, your
opinions are always well backed up and they show thorough effort and research. Please keep contributing to
the blog as you do for even if we disagree on some of the details, we are still in agreement as to the general
basic understanding of the fundamentals of Islam and the need to delve into the Holy text and deconstruct
each and every detail.
As for your comments on verse 3:81, I am still working on my response so keep checking the blog regurarly
and very soon you will find my reply.
Peace
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44. 44 Sherry
November 1, 2007 at 6:56 pm
Peace Aliel,
I hope you don’t mind me imposing on the discussion that you and Stefan are having. I am still in the learning
and questioning stage here. But a few of your points of view seemed… odd. Please allow me to summarise
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your understanding and correct me, if I make any presumptuous statements.
You said that you read verse 3:78 and were really stunned as it was telling you that “mushriks will use a
language (wording) close to the Book (i.e. the Quran) for us to think that it is part of it”… and you realised
that we could be duped into believing something was part of the book which it isn’t. I reproduce below the
verse that you have quoted:
3:78 – There is among them a section who distorts the Book with their tongues: you would think it from the
Book, but it is from the Book; and they say, “It is from Allah,” but it is not from Allah: It is they who tell a lie
against Allah, and they know it!
I must be really daft but when I read this verse, somehow I arrived at a different understanding. I guess the
main antagonist for the different understandings (or misunderstandings, as the case maybe) is the word which
has been translated above as the word “tongues” (‫)أَ ْل ِسنَتَھُم‬. Its root word ‫ل‐س‐ن‬ means “a tongue/speech
/language, to seize one by the tongue, bite one in words, make a thing sharp pointed, eloquent speech”, but I
am sure that you know that already. The point that I am trying to make is, I suppose, how I understood it. If
we take the word to mean “tongues” as has traditionally been translated, how would one distort the
Book/Message with their tongues? Let’s see… they could, as you have implied, put something new in the
Message, by their “tongues” and we could believe that it from the Book. Now this is one plausible explanation.
But then, it contradicts the following verse:
15:9 – “Indeed We descended the Reminder, and that We are its protectors.”
So, if somebody “inserted” some fabricated verses in the Message, then I am sorry to say that the “protectors
of the Reminder” have not done their job and consequently, there is no way (at least for me) to even consider
the whole Book as free of errors and an authentic truth from Allah, what to talk of just the two verses, 9:128 &
9:129, because there remains absolutely no objective way of determining which verses are authentic and which
are not. And furthermore, even if you somehow insert new verses in the Message, how do you alter it from the
chests of the following people?
29:47 to 49 – “And like that, We descended to you The Book , so those who We gave the Book , they believe in
it, and of these there are those who believe in it, and none deny Our verses/evidences except the disbelievers.
And you were not reciting any book before this, nor were you writing one down by your hand. In that case,
the doubters would have had reason. In fact, it is a clear revelation in the chests of those who have been given
knowledge. And it is only the wicked who doubt Our revelations.”
Now you could say that the Reminder is protected because somebody has been able reveal by a “code” that
two verses do not belong in the Message and thus we have received it in its true and pristine form for the first
time since whenever it was “unpurified”. Are you actually implying that the true believers/submitters of the
time in‐between have been following and believing in the “adulterated” Reminder? That Allah did not fulfill
His word in 15:9 above for those people and has betrayed their trust? What about those people who say we
believe in it, as all of it from our Lord in the following verse:
03:07 – “He is who descended on you The Book, from which there are straightforward verses, they are The
Book’s essence, and others allegorical/similar to each other, so but those in whose hearts/minds is deviation
from truth, so they follow what resembled from it, desiring the treason and desiring its
interpretation/explanation, and none knows its original interpretation/explanation except God. And the
affirmed in the knowledge, they say: “We believed in it, all is from at our Lord”, and none remember except
those of the understanding.”
There are myriads of verses which describe the people who deny his verses/signs and who disbelieve in them,
which I am sure that you are aware of. So I am not going to quote them here. Now you might say that this is a
circular argument and thus I should apply these verses to myself as well. Well, the thing is I have… believe
me, I have. But I guess I just don’t want to be one of those who are mentioned in the following verse:
10:15 – “And if Our signs/verses are recited on them, those who do not expect meeting Us said: “Bring a Quran
other than that or change it.” Say: “It is not to me that I change it from my own accord that I follow except
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what is revealed to me, that I fear, if I disobeyed my Lord, a great day’s torture.”
We know what a man who is given the Book, the wisdom and prophet‐hood says to the people:
3:79 & 80 – “It is not to a man that God gives him The Book and the judgment/wisdom and the prophet‐hood
then he says to the people: “Be worshippers to me, from other than God”, rather: “Be devotees for what you
have been taught of the Book, and for what you studied. And does not order you to take the angels and the
prophets as Lords. Would he order you with the disbelief, after you have surrendered?”
After quoting the above verses I realized these were some of the verses which you quoted in relation to RK
who will clear things for us. Now from the above verse, I see exactly what RK should have said to the people if
he was the one mentioned in the above verse. I think that he started to intimate something along these lines
but then afterwards when he denied 2 verses of the Book based on a mathematical miracle, he, in essence, just
contradicted the verse 3:79 by indicating that the Book which you have been taught and studied is wrong;
follow the revised and changed edition which I have discovered from referring to the historical Hadith. That is
when he became excluded from the verse and could not be the man mentioned therein.
So, now… back to 3:78, the other plausible explanation for it could be that the word translated as “tongues”
may well mean “languages/speeches”. Is it possible that people could distort the book by their languages and
speeches and say that this is from Allah? Sounds familiar, doesn’t it? Presumptuous and biased translations,
interpretations… you name it. It is happening today and it is real… and on top of it, the verse now makes
sense (at least to me), in the most practical of scenarios.
Coming to 3:81, and bearing in mind 3:78, you said it talks first about prophets given God’s revelations and a
messenger coming to support those. 3:81 is reproduced below:
3:81 – “And when God took the prophets’ covenant that what I gave you from a book and wisdom , a
messenger comes to you confirming what is with you, you will believe him and you will give him aid. He
said: “Do you acknowledge and accept My promise?” They said: “We acknowledged.” He said: “So witness
and I am witnessing with you.”
What I see from the above is a messenger will come to the prophets confirming what is with them of the book
and wisdom; they will believe him and give him aid. Now I am not going to go into the literal meaning of the
verse and ask you did RK go to the prophets and confirm what was with them. But what I am going to ask
you that if a messenger comes and confirms what is with the prophets’, what about their aid? How are they
going to aid/help him? We know that they are going to help/aid him somehow, but trying to describe how
they are going to help is going into the realm of speculation. Maybe this verse is describing an event which
will occur on the day of judgment when a messenger would come and confirm what the prophets have with
them and they will aid/help him by proclaiming to all of the gathered people that what he speaks is the truth
and thus, whomever has not followed him is of the ones who have not believed. But again that is one of the
possible speculations and interpretations. So, for me, I would much rather prefer to take some advice from
3:07 and accept that this is a verse of which only God knows the original interpretation.
Lastly, as for the divided people who believed in parts of the Quran and not all of it, I think it is a very
pertinent question for each of us to ponder over ourselves and see if we actually believe in all of it
unconditionally or all of it except a couple of verses.
I must apologize in the end, if I have offended anyone here, for that was never my intent. We can only hope
and pray to God that he guides us on the Straight Path.
Peace
Reply
45. 45 Sherry
Peace Aliel,
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I hope you don’t mind me imposing on the discussion that you and Stefan are having. I am still in the learning
and questioning stage here. But a few of your points of view seemed… odd. Please allow me to summarise
your understanding and correct me, if I make any presumptuous statements.
You said that you read verse 3:78 and were really stunned as it was telling you that “mushriks will use a
language (wording) close to the Book (i.e. the Quran) for us to think that it is part of it”… and you realised
that we could be duped into believing something was part of the book which it isn’t. I reproduce below the
verse that you have quoted:
3:78 – There is among them a section who distorts the Book with their tongues: you would think it from the
Book, but it is from the Book; and they say, “It is from Allah,” but it is not from Allah: It is they who tell a lie
against Allah, and they know it!
I must be really daft but when I read this verse, somehow I arrived at a different understanding. I guess the
main antagonist for the different understandings (or misunderstandings, as the case maybe) is the word which
has been translated above as the word “tongues” (‫)أَ ْل ِسنَتَھُم‬. Its root word
‫ل‐س‐ن‬ means “a tongue/speech/language, to seize one by the tongue, bite one in words, make a thing sharp poin
eloquent speech”, but I am sure that you know that already. The point that I am trying to make is, I suppose,
how I understood it. If we take the word to mean “tongues” as has traditionally been translated, how would
one distort the Book/Message with their tongues? Let’s see… they could, as you have implied, put something
new in the Message, by their “tongues” and we could believe that it from the Book. Now this is one plausible
explanation. But then, it contradicts the following verse:
15:9 – “Indeed We descended the Reminder, and that We are its protectors.”
So, if somebody “inserted” some fabricated verses in the Message, then I am sorry to say that the “protectors
of the Reminder” have not done their job and consequently, there is no way (at least for me) to even consider
the whole Book as free of errors and an authentic truth from Allah, what to talk of just the two verses, 9:128 &
9:129, because there remains absolutely no objective way of determining which verses are authentic and which
are not. And furthermore, even if you somehow insert new verses in the Message, how do you alter it from the
chests of the following people?
29:47 to 49 – “And like that, We descended to you The Book , so those who We gave the Book , they believe in
it, and of these there are those who believe in it, and none deny Our verses/evidences except the disbelievers.
And you were not reciting any book before this, nor were you writing one down by your hand. In that case,
the doubters would have had reason. In fact, it is a clear revelation in the chests of those who have been given
knowledge. And it is only the wicked who doubt Our revelations.”
Now you could say that the Reminder is protected because somebody has been able reveal by a “code” that
two verses do not belong in the Message and thus we have received it in its true and pristine form for the first
time since whenever it was “unpurified”. Are you actually implying that the true believers/submitters of the
time in‐between have been following and believing in the “adulterated” Reminder? That Allah did not fulfill
His word in 15:9 above for those people and has betrayed their trust? What about those people who say we
believe in it, as all of it from our Lord in the following verse:
03:07 – “He is who descended on you The Book, from which there are straightforward verses, they are The
Book’s essence, and others allegorical/similar to each other, so but those in whose hearts/minds is deviation
from truth, so they follow what resembled from it, desiring the treason and desiring its
interpretation/explanation, and none knows its original interpretation/explanation except God. And the
affirmed in the knowledge, they say: “We believed in it, all is from at our Lord”, and none remember except
those of the understanding.”
There are myriads of verses which describe the people who deny his verses/signs and who disbelieve in them,
which I am sure that you are aware of. So I am not going to quote them here. Now you might say that this is a
circular argument and thus I should apply these verses to myself as well. Well, the thing is I have… believe
me, I have. But I guess I just don’t want to be one of those who are mentioned in the following verse:
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10:15 – “And if Our signs/verses are recited on them, those who do not expect meeting Us said: “Bring a Quran
other than that or change it.” Say: “It is not to me that I change it from my own accord that I follow except
what is revealed to me, that I fear, if I disobeyed my Lord, a great day’s torture.”
We know what a man who is given the Book, the wisdom and prophet‐hood says to the people:
3:79 & 80 – “It is not to a man that God gives him The Book and the judgment/wisdom and the prophet‐hood
then he says to the people: “Be worshippers to me, from other than God”, rather: “Be devotees for what you
have been taught of the Book, and for what you studied. And does not order you to take the angels and the
prophets as Lords. Would he order you with the disbelief, after you have surrendered?”
After quoting the above verses I realized these were some of the verses which you quoted in relation to RK
who will clear things for us. Now from the above verse, I see exactly what RK should have said to the people if
he was the one mentioned in the above verse. I think that he started to intimate something along these lines
but then afterwards when he denied 2 verses of the Book based on a mathematical miracle, he, in essence, just
contradicted the verse 3:79 by indicating that the Book which you have been taught and what you have
studied is wrong; follow the revised and changed edition which I have discovered by referring to some
historical Hadith. That is when he became excluded from the verse and could not be the man mentioned
therein.
So, now… the other plausible explanation for 3:78 could be that the word translated as “tongues” may well
mean “languages/speeches”. Is it possible that people could distort the book by their languages and speeches
and say that this is from Allah? Sounds familiar, doesn’t it? Presumptuous and biased translations,
interpretations… you name it. It is happening today and it is real… and on top of it, the verse now makes
sense (at least to me), in the most practical of scenarios.
Coming to 3:81, and bearing in mind 3:78, you said it talks first about prophets given God’s revelations and a
messenger coming to support those. 3:81 is reproduced below:
3:81 – “And when God took the prophets’ covenant that what I gave you from a book and wisdom , a
messenger comes to you confirming what is with you, you will believe him and you will give him aid. He
said: “Do you acknowledge and accept My promise?” They said: “We acknowledged.” He said: “So witness
and I am witnessing with you.”
What I see from the above is a messenger will come to the prophets confirming what is with them of the book
and wisdom; they will believe him and give him aid. Now I am not going to go into the literal meaning of the
verse and ask you did RK go to the prophets and confirm what was with them. But what I am going to ask
you that if a messenger comes and confirms what is with the prophets’, what about their aid? How are they
going to aid/help him? We know that they are going to help/aid him somehow, but trying to describe how
they are going to help is going into the realm of speculation. Maybe this verse is describing an event which
will occur on the day of judgment when a messenger would come and confirm what the prophets have with
them and they will aid/help him by proclaiming to all of the gathered people that what he speaks is the truth
and thus, whomever has not followed him is of the ones who have not believed. But again that is one of the
possible speculations and interpretations. So, for me, I would much rather prefer to take some advice from
3:07 and accept that this is a verse of which only God knows the original interpretation.
Another thing you mentioned was that verse 9:128 effectively tells us to worship him (the prophet) next to
God. The verse is reproduced below:
9:128 – “A messenger has come to you from yourselves, concerned over your suffering, anxious over you,
towards the believers he is compassionate, merciful.”
Somehow, this verse doesn’t tell me to worship him in anyway. It is just informing about his attributes. In fact,
the verse following this one, he is himself told to emphasize who is the One worthy of worship, as follows:
9:129 – “If they turn away, then Say: “God is enough for me, there is no god but He, in Him I put my trust and
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He is the Lord of the great throne.”
For me, it doesn’t get any plainer than that, where the prophet himself is ordered to say that God is enough for
him, there is no god but Him, in Him he put his trust and He is the Lord of the great throne.
As for the divided people who believed in parts of the Quran and not all of it, I think it is a very pertinent
question for each of us to ponder over ourselves and see if we actually believe in all of it unconditionally or all
of it except a couple of verses.
Lastly, I would like to apologize if I have in any way offended you or anybody in the forum, for that was not
my intention. As I mentioned in the beginning, I am still learning from the Quran and at a very early stage
presently. So I suppose the best thing that we can do is be devotee of what we have been taught of the Book
(we all know who the teacher is, of course) and what we have studied.
Peace
Reply
46. 46 aliel
Dear Sherry:
I will answer one of your arguments and leave the rest to later as I am a bit busy these days:
Please read carefully and check the word Reminder in the Quran. I cannot see why people say that the Quran
is the ONLY reminder. God (swt) implies that the reminder was there at the time of the Zabur. In my humble
opinion God sent down the Zikr a long time ago and preserved it in essence..i.e. it is in my understanding the
base of God’s belief system and which was always preserved in the books despite people pampering with the
scriptures. It is a well‐known fact that the Quran the way you read it now is different from the original text
(alifs, hamzas etc.) Therefore, the preservation you mentioned cannot be the one meant in 3:9.
I also want to make you to think about the following: do you believe that on the Day of Judgment people will
be asked do you believe in the two verses or not and based on their answer they will either go to heaven or
hell? It is simply not that easy. God (swt) will ask us and we will answer and He alone will know whether we
tried to live a righteous life and follow his path or not sincerely seeking the Truth. Based on that the judgment
will be made. You have to realise that at some point all of us commit big mistakes….the ONLY mistake you are
not allowed to do is to die as a Mushrik other than that you will have to make a case in front of God (swt) and
based on His mercy we will be judged. I will explain my reading of the tongues when i have more time.
Thank you for your argument and may God show us His path.
Peace
Reply
47. 47 Stefan
No offense at all sherry, and thank you for your comment.
I wanted to add some points to your comments, Sherry and Ariel.
When you read 3:81 within its context, it is clear that God is talking to “The people of the Scripture”, meaning
all those on whom Holy Scriptures have been descended before the Quran.
ِ ‫ ْال ِكتَا‬ ‫أَ ْھ َل‬ ‫يَا‬ ) “O People of the Scripture” (3:71)

( ‫ب‬
ِ ‫ ْال ِكتَا‬ ‫أَ ْھ ِل‬ ‫ ﱢم ْن‬ ٌ‫طﱠآئِفَة‬ ‫ َوقَالَت‬ ) “And a group from among the people of the Scripture said:” (3:72)

( ‫ب‬
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ِ ‫ ْال ِكتَا‬ ‫أَ ْھ ِل‬ ‫ َو ِم ْن‬ ) ” And from among the people of the Scripture ” (3:75)

( ‫ب‬
ِ ‫ ْال ِكتَا‬ َ‫ ِمن‬ ُ‫لِتَحْ َسبُوه‬ ‫ب‬

( َ‫ ِمن‬ ‫ھ َُو‬ ‫ َو َما‬ ‫ب‬ ِ ‫بِ ْال ِكتَا‬ ‫أَ ْل ِسنَتَھُم‬ َ‫يَ ْلوُون‬ ‫لَفَ ِريقًا‬ ‫ ِم ْنھُ ْم‬ ‫َوإِ ﱠن‬
‫ب‬ ْ
ِ ‫ال ِكتَا‬ ) “And from amongst them is a group that twist their tongues with the Scripture so that you may think i
from the Scripture” (3:78)
ْ ُ‫ ُكون‬ ‫اس‬
ِ ‫د‬ ‫ ِمن‬ ‫لﱢي‬ ‫ ِعبَادًا‬ ‫وا‬
( ‫ُون‬ ِ ‫لِلنﱠ‬ ‫يَقُو َل‬ ‫ثُ ﱠم‬ َ‫ َوالنﱡبُ ﱠوة‬ ‫ َو ْال ُح ْك َم‬ ‫َاب‬
َ ‫ ْال ِكت‬ ُ‫ﷲ‬
ّ ُ‫ي ُْؤتِيَه‬ ‫أَن‬ ‫َر‬
ٍ ‫لِبَش‬ َ‫ َكان‬ ‫َما‬
ّ‫ﷲ‬ ) “It is not for a human that God would give him the Scripture and the authority and the prophethood,
ِ
then he would say to the people: “Be servants to me rather than God!” (3:79)
Given that God is speaking to the People of the Scripture, the prophet mentioned above refers to Jesus and not
Mohammed (please see 5:16) , referring to the way in which Jesus’ followers regard him as one and the same
with God.
ُ‫ َعلِ ْمتَه‬ ‫فَقَ ْد‬ ُ‫قُ ْلتُه‬ ‫نت‬

ُ ‫ ُك‬ ‫إِن‬ ‫ق‬ ‫بِ َح ﱟ‬ ‫لِي‬ ‫ْس‬َ ‫لَي‬ ‫ َما‬ ‫أَقُو َل‬ ‫أَ ْن‬ ‫لِي‬ ُ‫يَ ُكون‬ ‫ َما‬ َ‫ ُس ْب َحانَك‬ ‫قَا َل‬ ِ‫ﷲ‬ ِ ‫د‬ ‫ ِمن‬ ‫إِلَـھَي ِْن‬ ‫ َوأُ ﱢم َي‬ ‫اتﱠ ِخ ُذونِي‬ ‫اس‬
ّ ‫ُون‬ ّ ‫قَا َل‬ ‫َوإِ ْذ‬
ِ ‫لِلنﱠ‬ َ‫قُلت‬ َ‫أَأَنت‬ ‫ َمرْ يَ َم‬ َ‫ا ْبن‬ ‫ ِعي َسى‬ ‫يَا‬ ُ‫ﷲ‬
ِ ‫ ْال ُغيُو‬ ‫ َعالﱠ ُم‬ َ‫أَنت‬ ‫ك‬
‫ب‬ َ ‫نَ ْف ِس‬ ‫فِي‬ ‫ َما‬ ‫أَ ْعلَ ُم‬ َ‫ َوال‬ ‫نَ ْف ِسي‬ ‫فِي‬ ‫ َما‬ ‫تَ ْعلَ ُم‬
َ ‫إِنﱠ‬ ‫ك‬
And God will Say: “O Jesus son of Mary, did you tell the people to take you and your mother as gods
instead of God?” He said: “Be you glorified, I cannot say what I have no right of. If I had said it then You
know it, You know what is in my soul while I do not know what is in Your soul. You are the Knower of the
unseen.” (5:116)
And likewise,
ْ ‫تَتﱠ ِخ ُذ‬ ‫أَن‬ ‫يَأْ ُم َر ُك ْم‬ َ‫ َوال‬ ) (Nor does he order you that you take the Angels and the prophets as patro

( ‫أَرْ بَابًا‬ َ‫ َوالنﱢبِيﱢ ْين‬ َ‫ ْال َمالَئِ َكة‬ ‫وا‬
(3:80)
refers to the Holy Spirit, also taken in the trinity personifying God.
The next clarification is very important. Here also one must bear in mind the complete context in that God is
addressing the People of the Scripture prior to the Quran:
( ‫بِ ِه‬ ‫لَتُ ْؤ ِمنُ ﱠن‬ ‫ َم َع ُك ْم‬ ‫لﱢ َما‬ ‫ق‬ َ ‫ ﱡم‬ ‫ َرسُو ٌل‬ ‫ َجا َء ُك ْم‬ ‫ثُ ﱠم‬ ‫ َو ِح ْك َم ٍة‬ ‫ب‬
ٌ ‫ص ﱢد‬ ٍ ‫ ِكتَا‬ ‫ ﱢمن‬ ‫آتَ ْيتُ ُكم‬ ‫لَ َما‬ َ‫النﱠبِيﱢ ْين‬ ‫ق‬ ّ ‫أَ َخ َذ‬ ‫َوإِ ْذ‬
َ ‫ ِميثَا‬ ُ‫ﷲ‬
ُ‫ص ُرنﱠه‬ُ ‫ َولَتَن‬ ) And God took a covenant from the prophets: “For what I have given you of the Scripture and wisdo
then a messenger will come to you authenticating what is with you. You will believe in him and support
him.” (3:81)
then a messenger came to you ( ‫ َرسُو ٌل‬ ‫ َجا َء ُك ْم‬ ‫ثُ ﱠم‬ )(People of the Scripture)

confirming to/for what (is) with you( ‫ َم َع ُك ْم‬ ‫لﱢ َما‬ ‫ق‬ ٌ ‫ص ﱢد‬
َ ‫ ﱡم‬ ) (People of the Scripture)
( ‫ َرسُو ٌل‬ ‫ َجا َء ُك ْم‬ ‫ثُ ﱠم‬ ) “Note, a messenger came to you”

the you here, You ( ‫ب‬ ِ ‫ ْال ِكتَا‬ ‫)أَ ْھ َل‬ being “People of the Scripture” (3:71).
ٍ ‫ ِكتَا‬ ‫ ﱢمن‬ ‫آتَ ْيتُ ُكم‬ ‫لَ َما‬ َ‫النﱠبِيﱢ ْين‬ ‫ق‬

( ‫ب‬ ّ ‫أَ َخ َذ‬ ) “God took a covenant from the prophets: For what I have given you of the Scr
(3:81)
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In many of the English translations, the tense of the verb “to come” was altered, and when it is altered, the the
meaning of the whole verse changes. In many translations, it says a messenger “will come” to you, suggesting
that a prophet will come in the future. However, in the original Arabic text, the word is in the past ( ‫) أَ َخ َذ‬, suggest
‫ َجا َء ُك ْم‬ ), indicating the coming of Prophet Mohamed who came and authenticated and confirmed what was said
before. Comparing this to the Bible is very interesting.
14 The nations you will dispossess listen to those who practice sorcery or divination. But as for you, the
LORD your God has not permitted you to do so. 15 The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet
like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him. 16 For this is what you asked of the LORD
your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, “Let us not hear the voice of the LORD our
God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die.”
17 The LORD said to me: “What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from
among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.
19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to
account. 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say,
or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death.”
21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD ?” 22
If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message
the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
In the Bible, God states that a prophet will come “like” Moses. The “like” here is fundamental because there is
a constant analogy between Moses and Mohamed, a likeliness that is much more apparent than that of Moses
to Jesus. In relationship to the Bible (Old and New Testament), the Quran came after and therefore the
chronology and the change of the verb tense from “will come” to “came” makes perfect sense.
Reply
48. 48 Sherry
November 7, 2007 at 12:17 am
Stefan,
Your comments in this matter are most welcome. Very interesting insight into the matter, although I am
having some difficulty in absorbing that People of the Scripture/Book do not include people who were give the
Quran. Also, 3:81, when it says that God took a covenant from the prophets, afterwards how does one infer
that He is addressing the people of the Scripture/Book and not the prophets whom He took a covenant from,
when He says a messenger came to you?
Peace
Reply
49. 49 Stefan
Sherry,
First of all, a close analysis of the verse within this specific context confirms that the Muslims are not from the
People of the Scripture. Perhaps the confusion lays in the actual definition of the term Muslim. While
historically Muslim refers to the specific sect of people that follow Prophet Mohamed and the religion of
Islam, the term Muslim in the Quran is loosely used to suggest all those submitted to God. Throughout the
Quran, God refers to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Patriarchs, Moses, Jesus and the
prophets from their Lord as Muslims, thus reiterating that all those who follow God are Muslims.
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ُ ‫نُفَ ﱢر‬ َ‫ال‬ ‫ ﱠربﱢ ِھ ْم‬ ‫ ِمن‬ َ‫ َوالنﱠبِيﱡون‬ ‫ َو ِعي َسى‬ ‫وب َواألَ ْسبَا ِط َو َما أُوتِ َي ُمو َسى‬
‫ ﱢم ْنھُ ْم‬ ‫أَ َح ٍد‬ َ‫بَ ْين‬ ‫ق‬ َ ُ‫ق َويَ ْعق‬ َ ‫إِ ْب َرا ِھي َم َوإِ ْس َما ِعي َل َوإِس‬ ‫ َعلَى‬ ‫نز َل‬
َ ‫ْح‬ ُ ُ
ِ ‫قُلْ آ َمنﱠا بِا ّ ِ َو َما أ‬
ِ ‫أ‬ ‫ َو َما‬ ‫نز َل َعلَ ْينَا‬
َ
َ‫ ُم ْسلِ ُمون‬ ُ‫له‬ ُ‫َونَحْ ن‬
Say: “We believe in God and what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham and Ishmael
and Isaac and Jacob and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus and the prophets from
their Lord. We do not make any distinction between them, and to Him we surrender.” (3:84)
Therefore in this sense, yes indeed People of the Scripture can indeed include Muslims in the general sense.
Yet on a microlevel, however, People of the Scripture do not refer to the followers of Mohamed because there
are two categories clearly identified within the Quran:
1‐ Ahl Al Kitab/Alatheena Ootoo Al Kitab (The People of the Scripture/Those who have received the Scripture
) and
2‐The Ummeyeen to whom there had not yet descended a Book PRIOR to Mohamed.( The Gentiles )
‫بِ ْال ِعبَا ِد‬ ‫صي ٌر‬ ُ َ‫ ْالبَال‬ ‫ك‬

ّ ‫ َو‬ ‫غ‬
ِ َ‫ب‬ ُ‫ﷲ‬ َ ‫ َعلَ ْي‬ ‫فَإِنﱠ َما‬ ‫تَ َولﱠوْ ْا‬ ‫ ﱠوإِن‬ ‫َوا‬ ْ ‫أَ ْسلَ ُم‬ ‫فَإِ ْن‬ ‫أَأَ ْسلَ ْمتُ ْم‬ َ‫ َو ْاألُ ﱢميﱢين‬ ‫َاب‬
ْ ‫ا ْھتَد‬ ‫فَقَ ِد‬ ‫وا‬ ْ ُ‫أُوْ ت‬ َ‫لﱢلﱠ ِذين‬ ‫ َوقُل‬ ‫اتﱠبَ َع ِن‬ ‫ َو َم ِن‬ ِ ّ ِ ‫ َوجْ ِھ َي‬ ‫ت‬
َ ‫ ْال ِكت‬ ‫وا‬ ُ ‫أَ ْسلَ ْم‬ ْ‫فَقُل‬ ‫ك‬
َ ‫ َحآجﱡ و‬ ‫فَإِ ْن‬
If they debate with you, then Say: “I have surrendered myself to God, as well as those who follow me.”
And say to those who have received the Scripture and the Gentiles: “Have you surrendered?” If they have
surrendered then they are guided, and if they turn away, then you are only to deliver, and God is watcher
over the servants. (3:20)
‫ َس ِبي ٌل‬ َ‫األُ ﱢميﱢين‬ ‫فِي‬ ‫ َعلَ ْينَا‬ ‫ْس‬ ْ ُ‫قَال‬ ‫بِأَنﱠھُ ْم‬ َ‫ َذلِك‬ ‫قَآئِ ًما‬ ‫ َعلَ ْي ِه‬ َ‫ ُد ْمت‬ ‫ َما‬ ‫إِالﱠ‬ ‫ك‬
َ ‫إِلَ ْي‬ ‫يُ َؤ ﱢد ِه‬ ‫الﱠ‬ ‫َار‬ ْ ْ ِ ‫ ْال ِكتَا‬ ‫أَ ْھ ِل‬ ‫َو ِم ْن‬
َ ‫لَي‬ ‫وا‬ ٍ ‫بِ ِدين‬ ُ‫تَأ َم ْنه‬ ‫إِن‬ ‫ ﱠم ْن‬ ‫ َو ِم ْنھُم‬ ‫ك‬ ٍ َ‫بِقِنط‬ ُ‫تَأ َم ْنه‬ ‫إِن‬ ‫ َم ْن‬ ‫ب‬
َ ‫إِلَ ْي‬ ‫يُ َؤ ﱢد ِه‬ ‫ار‬
َ
َ‫يَ ْعل ُمون‬ ‫ َوھُ ْم‬ ‫ب‬ ْ ّ َ ُ
َ ‫ال َك ِذ‬ ِ‫ﷲ‬ ‫ َعلى‬ َ‫َويَقولون‬ ُ
And from among the people of the Scripture are those whom if you entrust him with a large amount he
gives it back to you, and there are those whom if you entrust with one gold coin he will not return it to you
unless you are standing over him. That is because they said: “We have no obligation towards the Gentiles.”
They say about God lies while knowing.(3:75)
This entails that at the time the Quran was revealed, the People of the Scripture were those who already had
Scriptures descended upon them (i.e Jews and Christians) and the Ummayan who were still not given a Holy
Book (i.e the Muslims). Mohammed was thus an Ummayan since he before the Quran was amongst the
Meccan society of whom the majority were still polytheists and had no Holy Book.
َ ‫لَفِي‬ ‫قَ ْب ُل‬ ‫ ِمن‬ ‫كَانُوا‬ ‫ َوإِن‬ َ‫ َو ْال ِح ْك َمة‬ ‫َاب‬

ٍ ِ‫ ﱡمب‬ ‫ض َال ٍل‬
‫ين‬ َ ‫ ْال ِكت‬ ‫ َويُ َعلﱢ ُمھُ ُم‬ ‫ َويُ َز ﱢكي ِھ ْم‬ ‫آيَاتِ ِه‬ ‫ َعلَ ْي ِھ ْم‬ ‫وا‬ ً ‫ َرس‬ َ‫ ْاألُ ﱢميﱢين‬ ‫فِي‬ ‫ث‬
ْ ُ‫يَ ْتل‬ ‫ ﱢم ْنھُ ْم‬ ‫ُوال‬ َ ‫بَ َع‬ ‫الﱠ ِذي‬ ‫ھ َُو‬
He is the One who sent to the Gentiles a messenger from among themselves, to recite to them His
revelations, and to purify them, and teach them the Scripture and the wisdom. And before this, they were
clearly astray. (62:2)
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ِ ‫الطﱠيﱢبَا‬ ‫لَھُ ُم‬ ‫ َوي ُِحلﱡ‬ ‫َر‬

‫ َعلَ ْي ِھ ُم‬ ‫ َويُ َح ﱢر ُم‬ ‫ت‬ ِ ‫يل يَأْ ُم ُرھُم بِ ْال َم ْعر‬
ِ ‫ ْال ُمنك‬ ‫ َع ِن‬ ‫ َويَ ْنھَاھُ ْم‬ ‫ُوف‬ ِ ْ ‫يَ ِجدُونَهُ َم ْكتُوبًا ِعن َدھُ ْم فِي التﱠوْ َرا ِة َو‬ ‫الﱠ ِذي‬ ‫ ْاألُ ﱢم ﱠي‬ ‫الﱠ ِذينَ يَتﱠبِعُونَ ال ﱠرسُو َل النﱠبِ ﱠي‬
ِ ‫اإل ْن ِج‬
ْ ْ َ ُ
َ‫ال ُمفلِحُون‬ ‫ھُ ُم‬ َ‫أوْ لـئِك‬ ُ‫ َم َعه‬ ‫نز َل‬ ُ ‫ﱠ‬ ‫ﱡ‬ ْ ‫ﱠ‬ ْ ْ ‫كَان‬ ‫الﱠتِي‬ ‫ َو ْاألَ ْغالَ َل‬ ‫إِصْ َرھُ ْم‬ ‫ َع ْنھُ ْم‬ ‫ض ُع‬
َ َ‫ َون‬ ُ‫ َو َعزرُوه‬ ‫بِ ِه‬ ‫آ َمنوا‬ َ‫فَالﱠ ِذين‬ ‫ َعلَ ْي ِھ ْم‬ ‫َت‬
‫ﱠ‬ ُ َ ِ‫ْال َخبَآئ‬
ِ ‫أ‬ ‫ال ِذي‬ ‫النو َر‬ ‫ َواتبَعُوا‬ ُ‫صرُوه‬ َ َ‫ َوي‬ ‫ث‬
“Those who follow the Gentile messenger prophet whom they find written for them in the Torah and the
Injeel; he orders them to goodness, and deters them from evil, and he makes lawful for them the good
things, and he forbids for them the evil, and he removes their burden and the shackles that are upon them.
So those who believe in him, and honour him, and support him, and follow the light that was sent down
with him; these are the successful.” (7:157)
ْ ُ‫قَال‬ ‫إِصْ ِري‬ ‫ َذلِ ُك ْم‬ ‫ َعلَى‬ ‫ َوأَخ َْذتُ ْم‬ ‫أَأَ ْق َررْ تُ ْم‬ ‫قَا َل‬ ُ‫ص ُرنﱠه‬
‫وا‬ ُ ‫ َولَتَن‬ ‫بِ ِه‬ ‫لَتُ ْؤ ِمنُ ﱠن‬ ‫ َم َع ُك ْم‬ ‫لﱢ َما‬ ‫ق‬ َ ‫ ﱡم‬ ‫ َرسُو ٌل‬ ‫ َجا َء ُك ْم‬ ‫ثُ ﱠم‬ ‫ َو ِح ْك َم ٍة‬ ‫ب‬
ٌ ‫ص ﱢد‬ ٍ ‫ ِكتَا‬ ‫ ﱢمن‬ ‫آتَ ْيتُ ُكم‬ ‫لَ َما‬ َ‫النﱠبِيﱢ ْين‬ ‫ق‬ ّ ‫أَ َخ َذ‬ ‫َوإِ ْذ‬
‫ﱠ‬ ُ ْ َ ْ ْ
َ‫الشا ِھ ِدين‬ َ‫ ﱢمن‬ ‫ َم َعكم‬ ‫ َوأنَا‬ ‫فَاشھَدُوا‬ ‫قَا َل‬ ‫أق َررْ نَا‬ ْ َ
And when/if God took the prophets’ promise/covenant what/that what (E) I gave/brought you from a
Book/Scripture and wisdom , then a messenger came to you confirming to/for what (is) with you, to
believe with him/it (E) and you will give him/it victory/aid (E). He said: “Did you confess/acknowledge
and you took/received on that My promise ?” They said: “We confessed/acknowledged .” He said: “So
witness/testify and I am with you from the witnessing/testifying/present.” (3:81)
As to your second point, there are three possibilities as to whom this verse might be addressed, and I will give
you reasons to eliminate each of these possible addressees, living us with only one possibility and that is that
God is addressing the living followers of Prophets and Messengers prior to Mohamed and not followers of
Mohamed.
The first possibility is that this verse is addressing a covenant of Prophets. However, (3:81) is narrated in first
person in the present suggesting that God is speaking directly to the current followers of the Prophets and
Messengers prior to Mohamed. Along with the verse previous to it, (3:81) is a commanding order in the plural
form ( َ‫ ُكم‬ ) and ( ُ‫وا‬ ) in :
( ‫ َجا َء ُك ْم‬ ‫ثُ ﱠم‬ ) ,( ‫آتَ ْيتُ ُكم‬ ‫لَ َما‬ ) , ( ‫ َم َع ُك ْم‬ ‫لﱢ َما‬ )
and therefore implies that God is ordering living people to do certain things
( ُ‫ص ُرنﱠه‬
ُ ‫ َولَتَن‬ ‫بِ ِه‬ ‫لَتُ ْؤ ِمنُ ﱠن‬ ) “to believe with him/it (E) and to give him/it victory/aid” .
ُ ْ ‫ َواتﱠبَع‬ ُ‫صرُوه‬ ْ ُ‫آ َمن‬
( ‫نز َل‬ِ ‫أ‬ ‫الﱠ ِذي‬ ‫ور‬
َ ‫النﱡ‬ ‫ُوا‬ َ َ‫ َون‬ ُ‫ َو َع ﱠزرُوه‬ ‫بِ ِه‬ ‫وا‬
ُ‫ َم َعه‬ ) “believed with him and supported/aided him , and gave him victory/aid and followed the light which
was descended with him” (7:157)
It is not logical to be addressing dead prophets for why then would He need the ordering and commanding
tone? Also (3:80) asks this same group of people
( َ‫ ﱡم ْسلِ ُمون‬ ‫أَنتُم‬ ‫إِ ْذ‬ ‫بَ ْع َد‬ ‫بِ ْال ُك ْف ِر‬ ‫أَيَأْ ُم ُر ُكم‬ )” Would he order you to rejection after this, while you have surrendered? ”

(3:80)
if He had asked them to take these prophets and angels as gods( ‫تَتﱠ ِخ ُذوا‬ ‫أَن‬ ‫يَأْ ُم َر ُك ْم‬ َ‫) ال‬. Again, it is impossible that God
The second possibility is that God is addressing the followers of Mohamed at the time of descent of the Quran
because most of them were Ummeyeen ( Gentiles )and God clearly differentiates between these two
categories.This possibility is also eliminated because in (3:81) God says that a Messenger came that confirmed
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and authenticated what was already revealed in previous scriptures, i.e those revealed to the prophets and
messengers before Mohamed. This can not be addressed to the Ummeyeen ( Gentiles ) since they had no
previous Scriptures descended upon them.
This leaves us with the third and last possibility which is that God is addressing the People of the previous
Scriptures about what He had previously descended upon them. The whole verse coincides with this logic if
one dissects and closely observes each of the verses surrounding (3:81).
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50. 50 Sarab
January 5, 2008 at 11:27 am
I consider these questions which were presented to “Muslim Scholars” in Chicago, to be beyond doubt
prejudiced. The main questions which caught my eye to be very biased were; “Why are you so belligerent?”.
Belligerent? since when have muslims been clasified as agressive and hostile?.
Another question which was shockingly offensive was “Why do you insult and oppress women?”. I couldnt
beleive that someone so arrogant and stupid can possibly write these questions and be allowed to present
them to the Muslim scholars. Was this person trying to imply that every Muslim insults and oppresses
women?. I am a happily married woman with 3 children and i have never in my life been insulted or opressed
by my MUSLIM husband. And that question which stated “Why do you force women to cover their hair?” no
muslims force their women to cover their hair, the women choose to cover their own hair so that they arent
harrased like non covering women, to prevent being hit on,whistled at,followed and much more. Also the
quran states that women are not to be forced to cover their hair as they haveto make that decision for
themselves or it is pointless. This is even presented in the bible stating that women must cover her head if she
does not it is a shame upon her and she might as well shave all her hair off if she doesnt want to cover it.
These questions are so intolerable that i am not even going to go through all the rest because im not even
going to waste any more of my time with this ridiculousness.
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51 Yaqub
salam alaikum, they sounded thesame way to me also, but after a very long tym of continous reading of
different issues, the question is rather directed to the hadith books, and since the scholars know this hadith
books so well, they are in the best position to answer them. listen, a full practice of what the hadith book
realy contains will show you the extent to wich the hadith books potray islam,majority of the sunnis are
just hypocrites to thier holy Hadith books, coz they believe some parts and reject the very funny ones
whhich in reality could be from a very authentic source, i think the problem should not be that you got
angry with the question but get angry as to why the entire sahih hadith books is not fully upholded, but
instead sect select choices from thesame hadith books to follow,Personally, i think hadith books meet the
criteria of the book Allah described in the quran, as a book that contain whatev er you want, which may
include Good and Bad things, so be very careful and pray to Allah for guidance. Masallam
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51. 52 Sukran
January 10, 2008 at 5:11 am
Salaam Sarab,
I wish you were right. Please check the official reports under the title of “Women” in these web sites.
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2006/78862.htm
and so on…
Of course there are numerous of exceptions in Muslim countries, however, as you indicated, if women choose
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not to cover their own hair “they are harrased, being hit on,whistled at,followed and much more.” These are
all acts of insult and oppression.
I wish I was terribly wrong.
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52. 53 j
January 14, 2008 at 11:27 pm
u people have no lifebut that ting at the top is good, but u still suck!!
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53. 54 hasan
we dont force women too were the hijab they choose too. excpetialy maried women so it would not show
attention or seem atractive
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54. 55 masood
I have started believing in truth about ISLAM in recent years.I first read about some teachings of
MOHAMMAD(pbuh). I started getting up early in the morning to have a morning walk like
Mohammad(pbuh). After four years, I underwent a medical check‐up. An attendent on checkup duty got
astonished because I was reading so fast even last alphabates in small size. Then, in NEW YORK, while
working on gas filling station, my police friends would get astonish that how could I get car number from so
distance running off without paying. I believe, that was due to following of teachings of Prophet(pbuh)
i.e.morning walk and looking at greenary. I later found that scientific studies also confirm that greenary and
green colour increases our eyesight. NOW, I starting following more actions of Prophet (pbuh) like his eating
style, sleeping style and even sex style ( making sex almost two hours of eating but not empty belly).
I observed clear difference and benefit in my life. My digestion system improved exteraordinary that Idon,t
get stomach problem anymore. My bachache vanished which I had got during a sport called KABADDI. One
thing I wanted to add that I believe in practical results as I have studied upto master degree in organic
chamistry. I have been an ethiest upto 26 years but now, I strongly believe in ISLAM and actions of
Prophet(pbuh).
I experimented by changing my way of making sex like empty belly. In short, I found Prophet(pbuh) actions
best of other ways even science is confirming today.
Now, I COME TO POINT. Anyway, I could not find these practical actions without AHADITH. I completely
agree with you Stephen that all Ahadith are not perfact. why don,t we do this that any Hadith on which
almost all big sects of Muslims agree and make sense in accordance of QURAN, we should accept it instead
rejecting all.
Otherwise, how could nonmuslims attract to Islam If we don,t get enough knowledge from QURAN to lead
life in the most perfact way. I give you few examples to understand my point of view.
ONE nonmuslim studied about one Hadith and let his dog to drink water out of a bowl filled with water. He
found germs in it. He examined under microscope each of the seven times after washing the bowl,the last
germ, left after sixth time washing, was gone after washing 7th time.
So, he converted to Islam.
In short, plenty of Ahadith about Prophet(pbuh) proven by science have impressed a lot of scientific minded
people and researchers throught scientific age.
GOD knew everything about to happen after Mohammad(PBUH) death. If companions of Prophet(pbuh)
didnot rejected AHADITH, we too. Only we need to be careful in their selection that should be based on a
standardized way as mentioned above.
Who knows that in confusion which was supposed to be happen due to MUNAFIKEENS, ALLAH wants to
observe us that we remain stick to TRUE SUNNAH of his beloved Prophet( for whom every thing was created
and who was told to every MESSENGER and PROPHET) or we put him on one side under devil organised
enticing.
May GOD bless us the true love of Holly Prophet(pbuh) and His Sunnah
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assalam‐u‐alaikum….
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55. 56 masood
I am holding Jewish scriptures and reading it to prove Jesus Christ as savior and Son of God.
But jew brothers blame misinterpretation of thier Torah.
Jehovah witness taught me that JESUS is the first born and was told by GOD to every messanger and prophet.
I read in BIBLE GENESIS:22,God is making covanent to Abraham; “Oh Abraham through your OFFSPRING,I
will forgive all nations.”
I asked my landlord that God is clearly Saying that all nations[ADAM is making all nations i.e. Adam to last
human] will be forgiven through one of Adam offspring, so where is the Son of God as the cause of our
forgiveness.
I asked my landlord,[ who even went to India for preaching],that at least MOSSAS must have been told to his
nation about the SON OF GOD and ideology of Trinity[Father, Son and Holly Spirit].He said,yes,and quoted
from Isiah:53:1‐12.clearly talking about the sacrifice of JESUS.
I asked,I am going to convert to Christenity if you clear me this last thing that is crucification of JESUS for our
sins is being read by jew brothers with the same words and meanings? he got furstrated. Instead,giving me
answer,he said” why are you urging on Old Testament”?Masood. I said,please, tell me truth but he just
replied that
it is his belief.[yes,I have cried for truth and enlightment to that supreme power who created everything
,human may give different names]
so my conquest remained unaswered.
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56. 57 masood
I am holding Jewish scriptures and reading it to prove Jesus Christ as savior and Son of God.
But jew brothers blame misinterpretation of thier Torah.
Jehovah witness taught me that JESUS is the first born and was told by GOD to every messanger and prophet.
I read in BIBLE GENESIS:22,God is making covanent to Abraham; “Oh Abraham through your OFFSPRING,I
will forgive all nations.”
I asked my landlord that God is clearly Saying that all nations[ADAM is making all nations i.e. Adam to last
human] will be forgiven through one of Adam offspring, so where is the Son of God as the cause of our
forgiveness.
I asked my landlord,[ who even went to India for preaching],that at least MOSSAS must have been told to his
nation about the SON OF GOD and ideology of Trinity[Father, Son and Holly Spirit].He said,yes,and quoted
from Isiah:53:1‐12.clearly talking about the sacrifice of JESUS.
I asked,I am going to convert to Christenity if you clear me this last thing that is crucification of JESUS for our
sins is being read by jew brothers with the same words and meanings? he got furstrated. Instead,giving me
answer,he said” why are you urging on Old Testament”?Masood. I said,please, tell me truth but he just
replied that
it is his belief.[yes,I have cried for truth and enlightment to that supreme power who created everything
,human may give different names]
so my conquest remained unaswered.
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“How could God forget to tell about his tri nature to all prophets and messengers or it was supposed to
appear only after JESUS?”
“why were priests in 325AD debating about the status of Jesus to come to conclusion that they should accept
JESUS as fully GOD”
Had they not been told clearly by Jesus? so important thing which is the basics of any scriptures.
Thanks….
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57. 58 Adil
March 21, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Assalamaliakum, and seriously… peace and blessings to you and your family bro,
i read over this article a good number of times and gotta say i’ll use QUITE a few of these arguments in the
near future… but out of all of it i just got one issue…
you mention a good point about the 2nd comming of jesus, but couldnt one argue that if he does come back,
then he’d come back to confirm what was taught? due to messups in islamic studies and teachings? (aka
basically this entire article) by you putting this out there you technically are a MESSENGER… confirming
truths in the quran… so jesus being brought back… the whole “nabi” vs “rasul” argument… no more
prophets, just confirmations… so wouldnt you agree that jesus being who he was left to do god knows what
would come back? and if he DID, he isnt bringing new scripture, he’s just going to Confirm whats being
taught. you asked the question… how would we KNOW it was jesus… but you answered it… he’d fit those
qualifications… where his “airport” is really just a matter of sitting back and seeing which one he arrives at lol.
all these points are beautifully stated in your article, i just think a little room for “What ifs” are in order at this
point. it could be argued that jesus’s supposed return could be justified by him finishing his role? he already
came once, and left… now he’ll just be poping back in… a bagillion years later to pick up where he left off… so
to speak lol.
so how is that not correct? the POSSIBILITY… obviously this is trivial… but it leaves room for more wonder…
its his STATUS as a messenger vs a prophet will change… and also once he’s been introduced as jesus the
prophet, he doesent really loose his title, so by them saying “muhammad is the seal of the prophets” thats
true… but it also means that even Noah could pop up out of nowhere to confirm the truth… its all a massive
story, with remarkable literary elements. and jesus’s “2nd comming” would just be a determined thing… but
it would be COMPLETELY irrelevant to the price of eggs. seeing as how as long as you follow the quran, and
give all respects to GOD, and no one else… oh and by the way, the point u made about adding the prophet
muhammad’s name to the prayer and all that…… SPOT ON SIR!!! i got super angry when i learned that the
shiias added ALI to everything… then went a step further and asked my dad… wait a seccond… we added
muhammad… why the hell cant they add ali? its bidah… or innovation.
and breaking it down further, the whole concept of the organized prayer… was orginazation… the same
orginazation we find in our everyday military… 90 percent of it came from the ways they “honored” their
kings… and higher officials. some cultures stood at attention (*shiias way with hands by their side) and some
stood at ease (the sunni’s way of placing their hands on their chests or stomach) do you have any idea how
powerful of a scene during the battles they’d regroup, and all stand in formation, their enemies wondering
what the hell they were doing… and they just dropped to their knees and prayed to someone bigger than
what they were fighting for? it was a symbol of unification… and to this day mass numbers of muslims side
by side… is a DAMN beautiful thing… but ultimately here is…this stuff is ALL trivial when it bottles down to
the point… and that is..
PEOPLE ARE ABSOLUTELY MISSING THE DAMN POINT.
i agreed with everything u researched… except for the 2nd comming thing… i think its a little slapped down
hard. jesus COULD come back from wherever he went to finish his part in the story, or he will just dissapear
forever… the bottom line is we dont have a death date for him like we do with everyone else… so him coming
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back, whether or not thats going to happen, is irrelevant.i just think an open mind is something you shouldnt
close so quickly. its like you said… there is SOME truth in history… *like the 19 being in the old testament
but as far as the 19 thing goes… it is amazing how it all works… you got the jews not believing their
prophecies came true (aka jesus of nazereth)… and there we have the “muslims” not seeing the miracle that
the quran TALKS about… and they are in such denial that they cant stop worrying about the DUMBEST
THINGS (where do i place my hands when i pray? which do i do in a toilet, sit or stand?”). islam was a
religion that came to adapt… since the beginning of time it bottles down to one big elemnt… dont be a dick…
and that includes messing up the truth to fit your own personal needs. like a GOOD many of individuals in
history are responsible for. the quran was saved… not eye whitness reports. and besides… even eye whitness
reports are not valid anymore… now adays you gotta have video footage… and thats not even enough… the
video could have been tampered with… its just a retarded system. that MIRACULOUSLY we all just follow
blindy and not ask the questions… WHY? which in the FIRST PART OF OUR QURAN states that “This is a
book of NO DOUBT” aka QUESTION IT, its ok. think outside the box… be open to ideas, but dont create
laws… because if you break them you’ll be stuck circling your way around strategically placed rouses to get
yourself back on track… when all your doing is trying to justify some sin you did when in reality its not a sin
to begin with… so you just waste yours and god’s time. lol… anyway im done ranting.
good job on the post man, im glad someone said it.
its really time we stop this sunni shiia fighting thing and just get back to where it spawned from… unification.
love bro,
Adil
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58. 59 javed
March 28, 2009 at 9:59 am
That was a stepping stone that brother Edip Yuksel did by writing this book. That inspired me to to write
some additional questions to Muslim Scholars. I call them MY JOKERS!
A warning to Talmudic‐Muslim THEOrist Mauritius or Mahaguru as your circumcised dogs call you.
Spread as much falsehood and lies concerning us in your recorded meeting but be alert that anytime,
anymoment, any place and anywhere, I’ll ask you questions before your puppet audience and see if you can
answer me! We’ll see if in your DVD, you will edit and censor the questions posed to you by someone who has
done up to School Certificate and has never sit for an Arabic Language exams for SC! Or will you have the
courage to face your puppet audience if ever they came to know that you have not been able to refute me
using historical facts, logic and evidence from the Quran!
Please so much treats that I have received won’t stop me from fighting for the truth. I WELCOME DEATH!
Regards
Javed from Mauritius
quranalone[AT]rocketmail[DOT]com
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59. 60 Dada Tapan
April 11, 2009 at 1:37 pm
This article is really enlightening.
One question to the author‐ What do you think on the distinction between “nabi” and “rasul”? Do those two
words imply the same thing?
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60. 61 Dada Tapan
64 of 70 1/15/2018 4:34 PM
April 11, 2009 at 1:37 pm
This article is really enlightening.
One question to the author‐ What do you think on the distinction between “nabi” and “rasul”? Do those two
words imply the same thing?
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61. 62 Javed
April 12, 2009 at 9:41 am
The Quran indicates an important difference in the role and definition of prophets and messengers. I suggest
you to go to that link and read the article: Difference between ‘Prophet’ and ‘Messenger’.
Regards
javed from Mauritius
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62. 63 an actual cool person
June 25, 2009 at 9:19 pm
what the h e l l is this website about and who is the @$$ hole who crated it I almost fell asleep reading the first
line!. this website bites…………………HARD ……….wack jobs
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63. 64 anon
August 22, 2009 at 8:21 am
well the haram‐ing of gold is said to be of the “chargers”(+, +2, +3) electrons present in it… SO IT IS
HARMFUL TO ALL HUMAN…. but women has this menstruation phase and men don’t, so naturally women
can discard or expel the tainted and harmful blood and men cannot(unless he can menstruate LOL)… so
whaddaya say? following a DR. who claims he’s a prophet??… following THE SCRIPTURE from the SEAL of
PROPHETS(LAST PROPHET) then CLAIMS himself to be A PROPHET!!! MONSTROUS BLASPHEMY!!….
FOLLOWING a SOURCE FROM THE LAST PROPHET & NOT FOLLOWING THE PROPHET’S SUNNA’!!…
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64. 65 Muin Sarguroh
August 24, 2009 at 4:08 am
Hello whosoever created this website,
Answer the following questions:
1) did Jesus alive or dead??If you say No then when he will die??becoz Quran say (Qullu nafsin zaikatul
maut)..If yes then when ;on the cross that the chritian belief…..
2) On whom Quran revelead Prophet Muhammed or Rashid Khalifa??Ha ha ha ..
3) How to pray saalt was shown by prophet muhammed ;its no where written in Quran???
4) Pls explain the meaning of the quranic verse (atiullah atiurrasool.)
5)If Muhammed is the last prophet then how come jesus will be back?? Well Muhammed is the the last
prophet with final message “QURAN”; and yes jesus will come back to fulfill quranic verse (qullunafsun
zaikatul maut)..
any answers to above questions…
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66 Kamal Pasha
March 24, 2010 at 3:05 am
Salam ,
first of all i dont mean to offend any one in here , before i answer your questions, i want to add some thing
fi
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, i;e do you find Quran Incomplete, Not detailed , not Perfect ?
where as allah says Quran is Detailed, complete, Perfect , Nothing is left out of Glorious Quran
– Allah has called the Quran “Tibyaanan li Kulli Shaiyin (16:89)”. This means it explains everything.
– [6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully
detailed?* Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully.
You shall not harbor any doubt.
– [6:115] The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is
the Hearer, the Omniscient.
– [11:1] Alif.Laam.Raa. This is a scripture whose verses have been perfected, then elucidated. It comes from
a Most Wise, Most Cognizant.
lets proceed to your first Question stated as follows
1) did Jesus alive or dead??If you say No then when he will die??becoz Quran say (Qullu nafsin zaikatul
maut)..If yes then when ;on the cross that the chritian belief…..
21:34 We have never granted everlasting life to any human before you. If you die, can they be immortal?
3:144 Remember that Muhammad is only a Messenger. The Messengers before him have passed on. So, if
he died or were slain, would you turn about on your heels?
Note 3:144 which says “…..The Messengers Before Him Have Passed On …. ”
also ponder on the starightforward Verse 21:34 , which says ” ANY HUMAN BEFORE YOU ”
Do you single out Prophet Essa as Non Human ?
21:8 We gave them not bodies that won’t require food, nor were they immortal.
None were Immortals, this second comming of Prophet Essa came into being Celearly after the death of
Prophet Muhammed Notye the words in 3:144 ” if he died or were slain, would you turn about on your
heels ? ”
The word Raf’a means honoring or exalting. “Nowhere in the Quran is there any warrant for the popular
belief that God has taken up Jesus bodily into heaven.”
2) On whom Quran revelead Prophet Muhammed or Rashid Khalifa??Ha ha ha ..
we never Question that Quran wasnt revealed on Prophet Muhammed , we are Certain that Quran was
Revealed to Prophet Muhammed , but perhaps you dont understand the difference between Nabi and
Rasool !
[Quran 10:20] They say, “How come no miracle came down to him from his Lord?” Say, “The future
belongs to GOD; so wait, and I am waiting along with you.”
kindly ponder on the above verse and also 3:81 !
[3:81] GOD took a covenant from the prophets, saying, “I will give you the scripture and wisdom.
Afterwards, a messenger will come to confirm all existing scriptures. You shall believe in him and support
him.” He said, “Do you agree with this, and pledge to fulfill this covenant?” They said, “We agree.” He
said, “You have thus borne witness, and I bear witness along with you.”
if you may believe that this Verse singles out Prophet Muhammed then you must believe that Muhammed
was Not a Prophet because the verse Says ” Prophets ” . and we know Muhammed was a Prophet ,
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therefore this Verse DOES NOT Single out Muhammed .
3) How to pray saalt was shown by prophet muhammed ;its no where written in Quran???
now this is very interesting question and favorite of hadithists .
this question again exposes your disbelief in Glorious Quran that it is Not Complete, Detailed, Perfect
why question Integrity of Scripture and Allah ? did Allah run out of words, or did Allah send us
incomplete Scripture ? what a disbelief what a Blasphemy ,
any way , 1.4 Million ahadith were collected by bukhary and company , NOT A SINGLE HADITH IS IN
THEIR BOOK WHICH TEACHES YOU STEP BY STEP METHOD OF PERFORMING SALAT , NOT A
SINGLE HADITH MY FRIEND !! now the question is How do you perform salat when it is NOT
Mentioned in your hadith books !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/quranistsonline/message/3437
visit the above link to know where can you find salat in Glorious Quran !
the artical is by me .
This brings us to the most important question of all: Are obeying Allah and obeying the Prophet two
separate duties; one through the Quran and the other through hadith?
As we have seen, the system our Prophet established was based on the laws of the Quran i.e. when people
obeyed the Prophet, they actually obeyed Allah (4:80) because the Prophet (PBUH) used to judge all
matters according to the Book of Allah (5:48). So, what is the meaning of “Atee‐‘ullah –wa‐ Atee‐‘ur‐Rasool”
(obey Allah and obey Rasool)? Since there are more than twenty verses in the Quran on this topic, its
importance cannot be overemphasized. For example:
“Yaa ayyuhal lazheena aamanu atee’ullaha wa attee’ur Rsoolahu wa laa tawallau ‘anho wa antum
tasma’oon” [O you who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him while you
are hearing.] (8:20)
In this verse the pronoun used for Allah and the Messenger is singular (‘anho). If the reference had been to
two separate obediences then, according to Arabic grammar, the pronoun should have been ‘anhuma (for
two).
The Most Misunderstood Word is RASOOL , My Dear Friend , A Messenger DOES NOT EXIST WITHOUT
MESSAGE .
The Divine Message of Allah i;e Al‐Quran is The Message which Prophet Proclaimed .
hadith books CAN NOT AND DO NOT MAKE A PERSON RASOOL OF ALLAH , Period .
5)If Muhammed is the last prophet then how come jesus will be back?? Well Muhammed is the the last
prophet with final message “QURAN”; and yes jesus will come back to fulfill quranic verse (qullunafsun
zaikatul maut)..
5:3 This Day, I have perfected your DEEN for you, completed My favor upon you, and chosen for you
Islam as the System of Life.
Deen Is Complete , Essa did His Part of Duty assigned to Him by Allah Rahman .
rest is explained above to your question Regarding Prophet Essa.
yes by your belief , Prophet Essa will be The Last Prophet to exit this world , which would make him the
Last Prophet , contradicting 33:40
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[33:40] Muhammad was not the father of any man among you. He was a messenger of GOD and the final
prophet. GOD is fully aware of all things.
by the way Allah has put up a question to you , who believe manmade hadith books
[77:49] Woe on that day to the rejectors.
[77:50] Which Hadith, other than this, do they uphold?
what answer do you have to the 77:50 !!
Thats the Question .
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65. 67 javed
August 24, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Salaam Muin Sarguroh
http://www.free‐minds.org/obeygod2
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66. 68 Kamal Pasha
March 24, 2010 at 3:07 am
This brings us to the most important question of all: Are obeying Allah and obeying the Prophet (PBUH) two
separate duties; one through the Quran and the other through hadith?
As we have seen, the system our Prophet established was based on the laws of the Quran i.e. when people
obeyed the Prophet, they actually obeyed Allah (4:80) because the Prophet used to judge all matters according
to the Book of Allah (5:48). So, what is the meaning of “Atee‐‘ullah –wa‐ Atee‐‘ur‐Rasool” (obey Allah and
obey Rasool)? Since there are more than twenty verses in the Quran on this topic, its importance cannot be
overemphasized. For example:
“Yaa ayyuhal lazheena aamanu atee’ullaha wa attee’ur Rsoolahu wa laa tawallau ‘anho wa antum tasma’oon”
[O you who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him while you are hearing.]
(8:20)
In this verse the pronoun used for Allah and the Messenger is singular (‘anho). If the reference had been to
two separate obediences then, according to Arabic grammar, the pronoun should have been ‘anhuma (for
two).
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67. 69 Muin
May 19, 2010 at 3:26 am
read Quran properly..
When God said: “Jesus, I will take you back and raise you up to Me, and purify you of those who are
unbelievers. And I will place the people who follow you above those who are unbelievers until the Day of
Resurrection. Then you will all return to Me, and I will judge between you regarding the things about which
you differed. (Surah Al ‘Imran, 3:55)
In above it clearly says that you will all return to Me???
This clarifies that Jesus will come back on the earth again..
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68. 70 javed
May 19, 2010 at 11:00 am
68 of 70 1/15/2018 4:34 PM
Salaam Muin, you quoted
read Quran properly..
When God said: “Jesus, I will take you back and raise you up to Me, and purify you of those who are
unbelievers. And I will place the people who follow you above those who are unbelievers until the Day of
Resurrection. Then you will all return to Me, and I will judge between you regarding the things about which
you differed. (Surah Al ‘Imran, 3:55)
In above it clearly says that you will all return to Me???
This clarifies that Jesus will come back on the earth again..
My response
Why don’t you check the Arabic text, most Sunnis don’t translate the verb mutawafikka, meaning will cause
you to die. Mutawafika has MIM, WAW and TH, ie, the verb mawt, meaning die. There is a condition, Jesus
will die first then GOD will raise his soul.
Also check surah 5 verse 117, you will see that after Jesus’s death, people called him Son of God!
Check Surah 19 verse 31, Surah 21 verse 8.
Also, Jesus came for the Children of Israel not for mankind (Naas). While the Quran is for humanity, it calls
upon mankind(Naas).
Regards
Javed
from Mauritius
mrumonotheists[at]gmail[DOT]com
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69. 71 Muin
Javed,
You have not read 4:157 and 158.
Allah clearly says ..they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those
who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety
they killed him not:‐ Allah raised him up unto Himself..
Above verses clarifies;the word mutawafikka is not used.It says in very simple language they kill him not and
it appeared them and next verse immediately say we raised him(raf’an)..
Do you believe that Jesus died there which is against teachings of Quran..
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70. 72 Muin
Kamal Pasha ,Javed..
1)(3:81) says Muhammed a messenegr will come to confirm all previous scriptures.It clearly says Muhammed
is a Messenger..whats the problem.
2)I think you have not read (4:59) which says..O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and
those charged with authority among you.Can you tell who are these peopel of authority and what they have
taught..
4:59 clearly says obey Allah,Meseneger and those charges with authority its a simple sentence there should
not be any confusion.
If you say there is no need for hadith then can you tell me which are the 4 sacred months in which war is
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prohibited as it is not mentioned in quran.(9:36)..
3)Again.. Salawaat is mentioned in quran(Ahzab33:56)can you expalin how to send blessings on
Muhammed(SAWS)..
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71. 73 Tarikh
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ْ ‫ َوقُو ُم‬ ‫ ْال ُو ْسطَى‬ ‫صالَ ِة‬

ِ ‫ ْال ِكتَا‬ ‫أَ ْھ َل‬ ‫يَا‬ ) “O People of the Scripture” (3:71)

ِ ‫ ْال ِكتَا‬ ‫أَ ْھ ِل‬ ‫ ﱢم ْن‬ ٌ‫طﱠآئِفَة‬ ‫ َوقَالَت‬ ) “And a group from among the people of the Scripture said:” (3:72)

ِ ‫ ْال ِكتَا‬ ‫أَ ْھ ِل‬ ‫ َو ِم ْن‬ ) ” And from among the people of the Scripture ” (3:75)

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then a messenger came to you ( ‫ َرسُو ٌل‬ ‫ َجا َء ُك ْم‬ ‫ثُ ﱠم‬ )(People of the Scripture)

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( َ‫ ﱡم ْسلِ ُمون‬ ‫أَنتُم‬ ‫إِ ْذ‬ ‫بَ ْع َد‬ ‫بِ ْال ُك ْف ِر‬ ‫أَيَأْ ُم ُر ُكم‬ )” Would he order you to rejection after this, while you have surrendered? ”

if He had asked them to take these prophets and angels as gods( ‫تَتﱠ ِخ ُذوا‬ ‫أَن‬ ‫يَأْ ُم َر ُك ْم‬ َ‫) ال‬. Again, it is impossible that God

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