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Mechanical strength of the bus bars=(F1X i /12)x(1/ Modulus of inertia of a bus bar )
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About Jignesh.Parmar
Jignesh Parmar has completed M.Tech (Power System Control), B.E(Electrical) from Gujarat University. He has more than 14 years
experience in Power Transmission-Power Distribution-Electrical energy theft detection-Electrical Maintenance-Electrical
Projects(Planning-Designing-coordination-Execution). He is Presently associate with one of the leading business group as a Deputy
Manager at Ahmedabad,India. He is Freelancer Programmer of Advance Excel and design useful Excel Sheets of Electrical
Engineering as per IS,NEC,IEC,IEEE codes. He is technical Author for Electrical Mirror and Electrical India Magazines. He is
Technical Blogger and Familiar with English, Hindi, Gujarati, French languages. He wants to Share his experience & knowledge and
help technical enthusiasts to nd suitable solutions and updating themselves on various Engineering Topics.
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atmakur murali Krishna says:
August 7, 2014 at 11:06 am
Extremely useful information
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RAMACHANDRAN S says:
August 14, 2014 at 3:43 am
Thank u for this useful information.Great
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ganapathy sadayan says:
September 13, 2014 at 3:08 am
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The above information is really useful for us who ever doing the design and selection of busbar for panel engineering.
Thanks for this information, kindly share electrical technical information to us.
Ganapathy.
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Ibrahim says:
October 27, 2014 at 5:46 am
thank alot for this valuable information however, I notice that you are considering derating factor for busbar calcualtion is 0.9
then after derating current rating shall be reduced but in your calculation it is increasing. can you please explain why it is so or it
is only a typing mistake.
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P S N RAJU says:
December 21, 2015 at 11:33 am
CAN I USE HALF GRADE COPPER BUS BAR 15X100 MM FOR 2500AMPS AC 50HZ
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karan says:
November 20, 2014 at 11:51 am
thank u sir, for this information
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P.Ramesh kanna says:
November 21, 2014 at 1:33 pm
useful information
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Hitesh parikh says:
November 24, 2014 at 6:39 am
Dear sir,
Hitesh parikh
Design Engineer in MV SWGR company
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Biswanath Hazra says:
December 9, 2014 at 10:38 am
Truly useful. Thanks for sharing.
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indrajit says:
December 10, 2014 at 6:52 am
Dear Sir,
thanks for your above article, I also want the same type of calculation for Earthing bus bar(Conductor) for electrical panel.
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Da a says:
December 11, 2014 at 1:20 pm
Thanks Sir,
I need more elaboration on the temperature rise calculation. I am not able to get the answer 30 in the given example. Deg cel with
the given formula. My T1= 40 Deg cel, I1= 4055 Amp, I2= 4000 Amp , T2= ?
: Calculated Maximum Temperature Rise (T2)=35/(Log(697/630)1.64)
Pl help,
Thx,
Da a
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Faizal Ruzley says:
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Thanks for detail and calculation,good for RMU and CSU design.
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phaneendra kumar says:
December 16, 2014 at 5:29 pm
Thank you for your information.I am doing Air core reactor designs myself.I know the temperature rise of the conductor.It is
R&D ..I am not ge ing Economical DesignsThey are going very large size for smaller current and impedance Will you pleas
help to do learn reactor design.I am doing this research my self from last one year..
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Vinodkumar says:
December 20, 2014 at 8:55 am
Dear Sir,
Very use ful information you have given to us. Thank you . I have one doubt . Can you please tell me why we choose 2nos of
75X10 bus bar for each phase when one is enough for the Isc rating. Is there anything else we have to know.
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Nani says:
December 21, 2014 at 5:34 pm
sir,
i want to learn more from u
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Paulraj says:
January 28, 2015 at 5:46 am
Ji,
Let me know the factors reference for PVC sleeve & ma black painted busbar.
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Cha akis Zacharias says:
February 3, 2015 at 9:05 am
hi,
nice info indeed.
id also like to know how you chose the above bus bar size and please post the board with the bus bar dimensions.
thanks
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rajeev says:
February 19, 2015 at 4:59 pm
thank
you sir
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mourad says:
March 8, 2015 at 3:50 pm
Thanks a lot brother
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vipin khandelwal says:
March 8, 2015 at 6:28 pm
Hello Sir,
Thanks for the information but I have one doubt . Can you please tell me why we choose 2 nos of 75X10 bus bar for each phase
when one is enough for the Isc rating. Is there anything else we have to know.
Which standard reference you have considered ?
Thanks,
Vipin
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eqsgroups says:
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Subhadeep Banerjee says:
April 3, 2015 at 4:04 pm
Thank u sir, this will help me a lot in my eld of job
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Girisha CD says:
April 25, 2015 at 4:57 am
Very Usefull document.
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ron says:
May 14, 2015 at 3:54 pm
Power distribution load centers generally have 2 methods of current supply. Source current is either introduced at one end of the
bus (top fed) with branch circuit loads distributed through taps and over-current devices along the bus. Many smaller capacity
load centers (100-225 amperes) have current supplied through a main breaker connected to the mid-section of a bus. How is bus
design aected with a center fed approach as opposed to a top fed approach? Did your calculation assume the top fed design
approach? Thank you
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K. Sivakumar says:
May 14, 2015 at 4:20 pm
Can you refer to relevant IS/IEEE/IEC Standard that you followed for these calculations? You may mail me at:
sreeraasi94@gmail.com
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sandeep tawade says:
June 17, 2015 at 9:31 am
can provide bus bar size calculation for 3sec
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dinesh says:
June 24, 2015 at 4:58 am
hello sir i have 63 A mcb 24 nos out going. so what would be a main incommer.
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rahul says:
June 25, 2015 at 2:00 pm
Very thankful to you
Dear Sir,
Please provide following information given below-
1- How to select Al Bus bar (Info of Al Bus bar Material )
2-How to compare Al and Cu Bus bar to select for same rating.
3-Any thumb rule is there to select bus bar size quickly.
4-Please provide bus bar selection chart for AL and Cu Both.
5-How to select no, of Bus bar per phase.
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Zee says:
July 2, 2015 at 11:04 am
Jignesh .Parmar,
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TranMinh says:
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Mahesh says:
July 9, 2015 at 3:15 pm
Please tell me what is the formula for determine MCCB maximum working temperature..?
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Mushtaq Ahmad says:
August 24, 2015 at 7:30 am
Thanks a lot for sharing such a useful article
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Nandarathana says:
August 26, 2015 at 9:27 am
Dear Sir,
Please explain why did u take 50 deg. C as ambient temperature? Is it actual ambient temperature of se led value after
temperature has risen due to heat emi ed?
Thanks
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BAMBANG Yuwono says:
November 11, 2015 at 10:58 pm
Thankyou for all your usefull reerence. And 1 question Ihave small power plant with 1 set 500 kva cat,365 kva cat, n 100 kva
cummin eng I want to built synchronize both of thre genset for safe operation and load sharing.best regard Bambaang
Yuwono.
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Ramesh says:
October 23, 2015 at 9:31 am
Dear Sir,
I want to design a Bus bar of rating 700V, 130A DC supply , then what is thinkness of bus bar size when it is a copper material
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BAMBANG yu says:
November 11, 2015 at 10:52 pm
Thankyou for all your usefull reerence. And 1 question Ihave small power plant with 1 set 500 kva cat,365 kva cat, n 100 kva
cummin eng I want to built synchronize both of thre genset for safe operation and load sharing.best regard Bambaang
Yuwono.
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Ravindra says:
December 17, 2015 at 10:06 am
how to select busbar as per rating changes of panel for eg.. 1000A ACB, 2500A ACB WHICH SIZE OF BUSBAR
WE HAVE SELECT
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Nur.Md.Badsha says:
December 28, 2015 at 1:54 pm
Please let me know about I/d(50/63) for F1
N.M.badsha
Electrical & Electronic Engineer,KUET
Experience on power Distribution,pharmaceutical,Food & Beverage Production Machineries.
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Rajan says:
December 31, 2015 at 10:43 am
Hi is there any reference document to substantiate the consideration of current density 1.6A/mm2
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abhinav shukla says:
January 6, 2016 at 7:23 am
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S.Selvam says:
January 20, 2016 at 7:31 am
Sir,
Pl.provide us design calculation for AMF Panel bus bar size Both three phases & one neutral ,we have three DG Set which are
500KVA each and controlled by 800A / 1600A ACB with protection
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gulshad khan says:
March 8, 2016 at 7:07 am
MD GULSHAD KHAN
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NAGA CHAITANYA VEMURI says:
March 14, 2016 at 6:02 am
can you please clarify me, for HIGH RISE Buildings , Bus bars are used instead of only using armored cables . Is this because of
economical factor or any technical advantage is there.?
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Amita says:
May 1, 2016 at 11:13 am
Tanks, it is very useful
If it is possible for you, please tell us about your standard or document reference.
Best regards.
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zillur rahman says:
May 25, 2016 at 8:19 am
can i use half grade copper bus bar for 1000amps cos formula
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Papoo Sankaran says:
May 26, 2016 at 5:47 pm
Greetings to you Mr.Jignesh Parmar.
You are doing a great service yo practicing engineers.After all, teaching is a noble way of serving the people.
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zillur rahman says:
May 28, 2016 at 10:01 am
can iuse half grade copper bas bar 500&1000amps change over switch formula?
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SUNNY KUMAR says:
June 13, 2016 at 5:07 am
thanks for this useful information. which standards are applicable to this calculation.
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amitkumar says:
June 15, 2016 at 8:47 am
Thanks for bus bar information
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Papoo Sankaran says:
June 17, 2016 at 9:05 am
Item(6) De-rating Factor K6:
Area of Busbar is mentioned as Width x Thickness x Length.x No.of busbars. How can the product of these three dimensions be
area, it can be only volume; Please clarify.
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lohit says:
July 5, 2016 at 5:17 am
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Vasu says:
July 8, 2016 at 10:41 am
you want panel board design for LT switchgear & current rating busbar calculation (copper & Aluminium)
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Sonia says:
July 14, 2016 at 1:02 pm
According to which IEC standard is performed this calculation?
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Rohith says:
August 22, 2016 at 5:56 am
any one knows how to nd bus bar size with a only amps rating. because i dont know about the bus bar size mean, how could i
nd the bus bar rating with a only amps. any one know the formulas ?????
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Palwe Babasaheb says:
August 31, 2016 at 9:14 am
it will be gr8 if you provide backup sheet (All table source))for above calculations.
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D.VAMSI KRISHNA says:
September 5, 2016 at 7:06 pm
thnks for the information sir,, can you post a quick thumb rule to check the size of busbar with respect to CB used (ex.800A
MCCB/ACB etc)
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Shyam Pathak says:
October 24, 2016 at 9:34 am
I request you to please mention reference IS / IEC standard for be er understanding
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mohit jain says:
October 27, 2016 at 5:40 am
great job sir..thanks for the info
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NARSIMULU says:
November 21, 2016 at 9:48 am
the above mentioned explanation is based on which Forum or what?
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bhas karan says:
January 14, 2017 at 2:27 pm
Current Rating of Bus bar after De rating Factor (I1)= 0.9*630 = 567 or 697 ???
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PRITHWIRAJ GHATAK says:
October 17, 2017 at 7:35 pm
its a typographical errorshould be
630/.9
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AHMED SAAD says:
February 20, 2017 at 2:52 pm
KINDLY PROVIDE US WITH THE RELATION BETWEEN BUS BAR SIZING AND INTERNAL SEPARATION
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Venkatesan says:
February 21, 2017 at 10:36 am
For outdoor installation, factor k6 has to be 0.95,0.9 & 0.85. For Indoor installation with poor ventilation, k6 to be 0.65,0.6 & 0.5.
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K THIRUMAL RAO says:
April 7, 2017 at 11:13 am
Thanks Mr. Parmar, I was looking for data related to the torque limits for the bus bar joints and its impact on temperature rise of
bus bars during normal usage. Are there any methods to deduce temperature during full load conditions based on temperatures
available during part load condition of the system ( like we have seen temperature rise near MCCB 630 A terminals of 55deg
above ambient of 35 deg at a constant load of 300A, what would be temp at say 600A, is 55+35 = 90Deg acceptable at 50% load )
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Rajesh says:
April 17, 2017 at 3:54 pm
Sir,in bus bar size calculation from where we get the values of alpha, Dita,and Dita t
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Arunkumar says:
April 21, 2017 at 6:35 am
Please advise from which standard the derating factors are taken
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Vijay Kumar says:
April 23, 2017 at 4:39 pm
can i share this on my personal blog ???
really useful info !!!
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Karthik says:
May 2, 2017 at 9:33 am
dear sir ,
Conrm temperature inside outdoor Metering panel when carrying full load current at an ambient of 40 Deg.C.
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ARIJIT ROY says:
May 16, 2017 at 2:56 pm
It is a very usefull calculation, which could serve my present requirement. In future pls forward the useful eletrical calculation to
my mail id. Thank you.
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ARIJIT ROY says:
May 16, 2017 at 3:05 pm
Could you help me to forward the cu bus bar-bar dimensions(wdth x thknss ) for 1000Amp, 500Amp, 300Amp, & 200Amp Bar .
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omer asif says:
June 20, 2017 at 9:25 am
how to calculate Resistivity of copper bus bar
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pavitra says:
June 28, 2017 at 2:32 pm
hi jignesh
can you mail me copy of Indal text book and Thomas & rata text book if you have.
regards
pavitraagal@gmail.com
+91-9826719220
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SIVAKUMAR K says:
July 3, 2017 at 1:18 am
Dear Ms. Pavitra, Just now I have sent the book by mail to your above mail ID. Please acknowledge receipt.
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sai krishna betha says:
July 3, 2017 at 1:39 pm
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This gives the volume of the right, how you considered it as area?
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