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KenTabor
Sep '14

@hjo

Maybe I don't have an understanding of what "divination" is.

"the practice of seeking knowledge of the future or the unknown by supernatural means."

I thought it was a way for entities to communicate with you by simple yes/no type
answers. It sounds like it's more related to the "ideomotor phenomenon".

"A psychological phenomenon wherein a subject makes motions unconsciously; for

example, the body produces tears in response to powerful emotions, without the person
consciously deciding to cry."

If I think that an entity is in the room the divination should confirm it. Unless as you said,
Ladilok is just having fun with me. Maybe to test my patience or commitment.

Having my subconscious decide things for me was not the objective. If I do have some
sort of subconscious control over the outcome of what I'm asking that's not what I was
trying to accomplish.
Although I can see it being a valuable skills for my personal life for decisions like "is this
the best thing for me".

@ Lady Eva

Seems like I was going about this the wrong way with divination. I was trying to use it a
medium for communication or confirmation.

Just trying to make it easier for an entity to communicate with me.

What would you recommend as a starting method other than what I'm already doing?

Lady_EvaGlobal Moderator
Sep '14

KenTabor:

@ Lady Eva

Seems like I was going about this the wrong way with divination. I was trying to use it a
medium for communication or confirmation.

Just trying to make it easier for an entity to communicate with me.

What would you recommend as a starting method other than what I'm already doing?

Been thinking about it for a while now, and I'm at a loss to think of a reliable method of
divination that's as "hands off" as the coin toss you chose, since the most reliable ones
like Tarot, I Ching and the Book Of Fate all require some element of interpretation,
whereas simpler things like using a pendulum, you'd reject as being your own
subconscious.

I understand where you're coming from with that, but it leaves me with nothing to
suggest because the involvement of the operator is critical to almost all magick.

But there's probably a reason you've heard of Tarot readers etc., and yet coin-tossing
isn't globally recognised as the infallible way to get an answer: and apart from what I
wrote above (about the tool needing to have some link to the "cause" to get the "effect"
of an accurate answer), y/n divination is usually considered harder to achieve anyway,
even by experienced readers who get consistantly reliable results, than tuning into wider
currents of energy outside the simple binary choice of outcomes, as Tarot and other
commonly recognised tools do.
Probably the best thing is keep going with it and see how it goes, meanwhile someone
else may have some better ideas. By now I've reached the kind of "Occam's razor" stage
with magick whereby it so consistantly delivers, and my divination and other work is so
consistantly accurate, that it would be harder and more complex to find a "rational"
explanation in each individual case than it is just to accept that the unified cause behind
it is the existence of magick as a real force, but if you're not there yet, and are wary
about taking certain kinds of leaps of faith (e.g., learning Tarot or trying out a pendulum)
I'm not sure what to suggest.

Maybe have a look at this and see if you can find anything there that fits a recognised
theory of divination, and yet which leaves you satisfied you're not entirely imagining
it: http://tim.maroney.org/Essays/Theory_of_Divination.html

This is also worth reading: http://digitalambler.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/a-theory-of-

divination-intuition-and-technique/

The rest of the work outside the divination part sounds completely solid, and as you're
probably aware, this stuff doesn't just fall into anyone's lap overnight and most of us
have worked hard for various periods of time, overcoming discouragement and moments
of "am I just one crazy idiot?" kinds of thoughts, before we finally begin to get consistant
results.

KenTabor
Sep '14

@ Lady Eva

Well said, as usual. I'll check out those links and see what I find.

@ Dani123321

You're inbox was full so I couldn't reply back to your pm, but I know you're checking out
this thread. Thank you so much for helping me.

@ Everyone else who pm'd me.

Seems like the method I'm going about this with is pretty popular so I'll keep posting
regular updates.

I've refined my ritual a little bit more thanks to @Dani123321 and using the search feature
on BALG to get some magik incantations going. Here's my ritual now. The Order of
events and verbage was taken from "Kingdoms of Flame"
 -Purification Banishing (From Same book)

-Light candles / burn the incense.

-Meditate

-Charge the sigil

-Summon all magical power

Itz rachu mantantu vespacha kaltamu Itz ranta mant kala mant atzu belt tazu Vaskalla itz
rachu kantantu velchatza

-Summon the Spirit

Altash, Faltu, Kanta, Exune, (Ladilok) kama kalla Faltu."

-Call Spirit Forth

Etsel Malakel Testzel Samtanel Itz Retz Namatel Itz Hel AstaRel KamaKala,
KamaKala KamaKala Satanel

(Ladilok) Kama (Ladilok) Kala (Ladilok), KamaKala Vel.

Me Vaskalla Me Solvalla Me ResAlla Ahtantel

Demon Ladilok, I call you into manifestation before me. In the name of The Grand
Spirit Pendralion command you to rise up in a form beholdable to me!

-Repeat "Lad--Lock" until I sense something like I did last time.

-Thank you for manifesting as I requested

-Ask my questions and wait for answer

-Alash tad, alash tal "lad-e-lock"

-Then ask again and see if I get an answer

-Record what was said / thought

-Thank you for manifesting and working with me.

-I dismiss you Ladilok to carry out what I have requested.

--Purification Banishing (From Same book)