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Mark Anthony Jun 3rd, 2007 11:56 PM
Christina vs. God

For you Christ/Christina fans, do you ever worry that you're crossing the boundary of
admiration for Christina? Who do you idolize more, Jesus or Christina? Someone asked me
who I loved more and I said Christina! I'm sure Jesus is pretty jealous of Christina right
now given that I devote so much more time to Christina compared to Christ. I need to
reevaluate my priorities.
mordacis Jun 3rd, 2007 11:58 PM
poll!
mordacis Jun 3rd, 2007 11:58 PM
ok, i say christina...but i´m not christian (or religious)
~Jenna~ Jun 3rd, 2007 11:59 PM
^same
EDT Jun 4th, 2007 12:00 AM
PAGANS!!!!
:cry:
Stripped713 Jun 4th, 2007 12:00 AM
I admit that I have crossed the boundaries by putting christina before my god alot. I mean
most of my focus is on her instead of my lord and savior and that is idolizing. I repent for it
and am trying to spend more time with god and on things of god. But if i had to choose
between them in the end I would chose my God.
Hemingway Jun 4th, 2007 12:00 AM
Christina definitely hits the C7 better :nod:
Jesus is God?? :scratch:
mordacis Jun 4th, 2007 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Peter Pan

Christina definitely hits the C7 better :nod:
i bet god>>>>>>>>her on the lower register though!
julie. Jun 4th, 2007 12:03 AM
Interesting. I chose God.
Enter.The.Circus Jun 4th, 2007 12:04 AM
Since I don't give two sh*ts about Jesus, my vote goes to Christina. :D
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Originally Posted by Stripped713

I admit that I have crossed the boundaries by putting christina before my god alot. I
mean most of my focus is on her instead of my lord and savior and that is idolizing. I
repent for it and am trying to spend more time with god and on things of god. But if i had
to choose between them in the end I would chose my God.
has he/she/it brought more joy and meaning to your life t ´han christina?...just asking, really
Hot'N'Cold Jun 4th, 2007 12:04 AM

:nc:
John_Xtrada Jun 4th, 2007 12:05 AM
:nc:!
kristina Jun 4th, 2007 12:05 AM
lmao
Christina FTW!
bl0ndxrebel Jun 4th, 2007 12:06 AM
BANNED for disrepectin god and ish.
lol jk.
meiun8 Jun 4th, 2007 12:09 AM
I voted for Christina.
Jesus Christ =/= God. Lauren Graham = God.
Mark Anthony Jun 4th, 2007 12:11 AM
In some Christian sects, it is believed that God is a trinity or is a state of three: the father
(God that created the world), the son (Jesus), and the holy spirit.
Tommy_Tank Jun 4th, 2007 12:11 AM
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I admit that I have crossed the boundaries by putting christina before my god alot. I
mean most of my focus is on her instead of my lord and savior and that is idolizing. I
repent for it and am trying to spend more time with god and on things of god. But if i had
to choose between them in the end I would chose my God.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

In the end, it'd be stupid not to choose God though. I love God more, I think.
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Originally Posted by dirrty_mo_fo

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Rotf :roll:
Back2Basix Jun 4th, 2007 12:12 AM
:crazy:x1000000000000000000
CA217 Jun 4th, 2007 12:13 AM
It's not a choice. God created Christina so he wins.

I don't think devoting time to being a fan means I value her any more than I value God.
So really, for those that do believe in God, aren't we just admiring God's creation by being
devoted fans?
y'all are so mean to her. lol. I thought Stripped713 quit the forum though.
o and i vote christina.... mind u, id rather vote yonka than jesus... "what have u done for me
lately?" :music:
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Originally Posted by Syncere

y'all are so mean. lol. I thought Stripped713 quit the forum though.
She did. She apparently only comes back for "news". :funny:
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Originally Posted by mordacis

has he/she/it brought more joy and meaning to your life t ´han christina?...just asking,
really
Yes. I love Christina and her music has been such a good thing in my life. But her music
does not compare with the love I have from God. He has healed my mother of 5th stage
cancer, he has spoken to me in my time of need near the end of my pregnancy and brought
me peace and healing during that time. He has blessed me so many times and my faith in
him has proven to be better than any music this earth could give. and although christina was
very nice when I met her I know she isnt gonna remember me later on. God is my father, I
am his child and he loves me so much he sent his son to die so i dont have to. He has
blessed me with a beautiful baby boy, great friends and family and so much more than
christina could ever do.
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y'all are so mean to her. lol. I thought Stripped713 quit the forum though.
Belive me the only thing it does to me is show me how they need to put others down to feel
better about themselves. you dont see me running around and laughing at people and
inflicting religious persecution. thats cuz I know that in the world we live in it says in the
bible what is wrong will seem right, that people will idolize just about any image before
God. It really doesnt surprise me that so many people here are corrupted by mucisians and
music. afterall lucifer was the head of the choir before being kicked out of heaven.
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I am his child and he loves me so much he sent his son to die so i dont have to.
You're not going to die?
nexus Jun 4th, 2007 12:19 AM
Hush, Jesus is so 2007 years ago.

and rotf @ Joan of Arc posting here.
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Originally Posted by meiun8

You're not going to die?
ok lol sorry rephraze that. so that I dont have to go to hell. He died for my sickness, my sin
and my salvation.
DirrtyBoy Jun 4th, 2007 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by sunoftheskye

She did. She apparently only comes back for "news". :funny:
http://www.blackfolksrus.com/forums/...ilies/dead.gif
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Originally Posted by DirrtyBoy

http://www.blackfolksrus.com/forums/...ilies/dead.gif
ew @ the washed up LD jokers. Go back to 2005 thanks. :kiss:
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Originally Posted by nexus

:roll:
Princess Serenity Jun 4th, 2007 12:23 AM
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Belive me the only thing it does to me is show me how they need to put others down to
feel better about themselves. you dont see me running around and laughing at people and
inflicting religious persecution. thats cuz I know that in the world we live in it says in the
bible what is wrong will seem right, that people will idolize just about any image before
God. It really doesnt surprise me that so many people here are corrupted by mucisians
and music. afterall lucifer was the head of the choir before being kicked out of heaven.
:nc:
Christianity = persecution
I doubt you could name an organisation that caused more death and spewed more virulent
hatred towards the unusual. Let's not be preaching here, that would be rude.
Aaaaanyway, on topic. Kristina's so right. Christina FTW :love:
i respect ppl with honest beliefs, and i find it interesting to hear them speaking for it, and
what "the lord" means to them...there´s so much fake in this world and eventhough i´m not
a beliver (more agnostic i guess) i appreciate ppl that honestly believe something and live
by it
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Originally Posted by SerenityX

:nc:
I doubt you could name an organisation that caused more death and spewed more
virulent hatred towards the unusual. Let's not be preaching here, that would be rude.
the British monarcy.
EDT Jun 4th, 2007 12:25 AM
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what "the lord" means to them...there´s so much fake in this world and eventhough i´m
not a beliver (more agnostic i guess) i appreciate ppl that honestly believe something and
live by it
me too
stalin is pretty damn close too
:funny: Britain was pretty much ruled by the Catholic Church for over a millennium. We
regressed hundreds of years technologically because the Christians were afraid and
wouldn't allow people to read - sometimes even books were burned, and people weren't
anywhere near as educated as they may have been under Roman rule. If it weren't for what
the Church did to Europe, we could have wiped out cancer and HIV by now, theoretically.
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:nc:
I doubt you could name an organisation that caused more death and spewed more
virulent hatred towards the unusual. Let's not be preaching here, that would be rude.
I'm ashamed of our past, but Christianity's past doesn't necessarily make it wrong. It's
unfortunate that it turns so many people off though. It's the same thing with terrorism and
Islam. So sad, so sad.
LovesEmbrace Jun 4th, 2007 12:29 AM
WTF?!
:crazy:
wanthony, just to clarify, I have no issue with faith in general. I just find that organised
religion is nothign more than a corrupt reign of hypocrisy and it infuriates me that it's legal
when all other forms of prejudice are wiped out, and that christianity in particular has so
much control over the UK/USA when it shouldn't have a single word to say about it.

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:funny: Britain was pretty much ruled by the Catholic Church for over a millennium. We
regressed hundreds of years technologically because the Christians were afraid and
wouldn't allow people to read - sometimes even books were burned, and people weren't
anywhere near as educated as they may have been under Roman rule. If it weren't for
what the Church did to Europe, we could have wiped out cancer and HIV by now,
theoretically.
Oh thats nice that you pulled that out of your ass. :rolleyes:
So basically religion prevented intellectual progress? In Britain? Because if that were the
case why weren't these cures found somewhere else? You cannot blame Catholicism for
lack of progress, especially when what replaced it was just a corrupted version created by a
morbidly obese and disturbed monarch with numerous dead wives.
Sweetheart sometimes I wonder about you. Do you really believe that this lack of intellect
caused by Catholicism justifies the millions of innocents butchered and murdered around
the world in the name of British conquest? Cos if you do you are seriously f**ked up.
:arrow:
EDT Jun 4th, 2007 12:32 AM
:laugh:
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I dont care, you can all laugh. It doesnt surprise me. But please just look into your hearts
and really think about your life and if its really worth the risk to have ever lasting death in
hell.
Here is how I think about because yet its stuck me on several occasions..is god real? what if
its just a story? What if there is no heaven or hell? So I put aside the bible, all the years
raised in a church, all my personal experiences with the Lord. and just looked at it
rationally.
What am i willing to gamble? If I am wrong and there is no God, that only means I spend
my life doing good, having a close friend, a shoulder to lean on and a greater purpose to
this life. and then when i die nothing happens...I cease to exist.
and all those who refused to belive and lived their life as sinners and blasphemers went
through life and either were good or bad people who knows but then they as well just die.
soo I guess thats not such a bad deal.
However If I am right than I also once agan dont have much to lose because I will go to
heaven and all the nonbelievers will go to hell. so really I got a sweet deal in the matter. so i
suggest everyone that isnt saved to just stop for minute. I realize you arnt keen on faith and
bibles and stories and such. so dont think about it that way. you probly consider yourself a
rational logical person so think of it in a rational way. is it something you are willing to
gamble?
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live by it
thanks yah I am not trying to preach but I do honestly belive in god and I do care for
everyones souls even those that are mean and so cruel.
I pulled it out of my ass? :laugh: No, honey, I did a long essay on it (which, just in case you
decide to make a comment, earned the highest mark anyone from my school district ever
achieved) so I know what I'm talking about. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it
any less true. Other nations, within Asia in particular, were more advanced than us.
Unfortunately they fell to their own problems because they could continue to advance at
such a level, but there were many years where we DID have a lot to learn from particularly
India and China. Ibn Nafis, for example, discovered blood circulation in the 13th century -
nobody in the West even considered that until the 16th century, 300 years later!
After the fall of the Roman empire, we regressed. Health care fell because advancement
was prohibited by the church, education all but vanished, and sanitary systems were
actually abandoned when the Church took over. The Romans were more advanced in
many ways than we were in the dark ages - there's a reason they're called the dark ages.
Similarly, nor did I claim that Catholicism is responsible for every single thing that
happened in Britain. That would be silly.

Oh brudda.
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wanthony, just to clarify, I have no issue with faith in general. I just find that organised
religion is nothign more than a corrupt reign of hypocrisy and it infuriates me that it's
legal when all other forms of prejudice are wiped out, and that christianity in particular
has so much control over the UK/USA when it shouldn't have a single word to say about
it.
I do agree that religion should be completely separate from the government. And yes, there
are way too many hypocritical and corrupt bigots in power out there that shouldn't be.
Many people that claim to be Christian are pretty screwed up. Do you know why I'm still
Christian? It's because of the core ideas I still believe in. The ideas will always be there and
I'll stand by them until the day I die, regardless of what goes on in this world.
^ I'm glad you did well in your essay. But you must remember Catholicism is responsible
for creating much of the Europes most ingenius artistic and architectural creations. It may
not have promoted science, but it did promote high-art. I agree though that within it, as with
any religion, there is alot of hypocrisy.
But back to your precious monarchy? How do you stand on their past conquests? And do
you Brits not feel hypocritical when you look at Hitler and his co and act disgusted?
It's tied! God caught up!!!
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the British monarcy.
The Paris Hilton Crab Machine?

Christina isnt bigger than Jesus after all :(
no wtf!
god is god...but christina ftw!!
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Christina isnt bigger than Jesus after all :(
flop :cry:
lmao
wow, finally an intellectual conversation... does anyone wanna bring in global politics and
homosexual/religious issues from the past 30 years? holla at your boy :D
I guess Jesus would sell more records than Christina.
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Originally Posted by wanthony86

I guess Jesus would sell more records than Christina.
just look at carrie :crazy:
Ana Jun 4th, 2007 12:45 AM

Christina.
chintheory Jun 4th, 2007 12:45 AM
Watch all of you turn around and become crisis Christians.
Anyway, I say they're one in the same. Seeing as the word "Christ" is in 'Christ'ina's name.
CA217 Jun 4th, 2007 12:46 AM
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live by it
That's a good way to approach it. It doesn't have to be an 'us'/'them' thing. Everyone has
something to offer so hearing them out should be something more people do.
I like the intellectual conversations. It's so refreshing. I mean, you can only talk about the
next single or which of B2B and Stripped is better so many times.
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wow, finally an intellectual conversation... does anyone wanna bring in global politics
and homosexual/religious issues from the past 30 years? holla at your boy :D
Get 'em Tom! :music:
super_j Jun 4th, 2007 12:46 AM
this thread is whacko like MJ. :crazy:

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Originally Posted by chintheory

Watch all of you turn around and become crisis Christians.
Anyway, I say they're one in the same. Seeing as the word "Christ" is in 'Christ'ina's
name.
Hey Vanna, I was down by you the other night! :D
Have you heard of Apex??
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for creating much of the Europes most ingenius artistic and architectural creations. It
may not have promoted science, but it did promote high-art. I agree though that within it,
as with any religion, there is alot of hypocrisy.=
:nc: I don't think high art is a good replacement for technology and health care. :crazy:
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But back to your precious monarchy? How do you stand on their past conquests? And do
you Brits not feel hypocritical when you look at Hitler and his co and act disgusted?
We manage to not feel hypocritical because our nation has never slaughtered 11 million
people systematically based on their race. Slaughtering men while trying to take over their
country (while very very bad, don't get me wrong) is nowhere near the magnitude of
stealing men, women and children from their homes, shipping them off to camps, gassing
them to death and burying them in mass graves 10 million times over just because they
happen to look different.
And to go back to the topic of Christianity, since you brought up Hitler, I'd like to remind
you of this quote of his:
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to

the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for
what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was
greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I
read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized
the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His
fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with
deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this
that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my
self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is
anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily
grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."
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Hey Vanna, I was down by you the other night! :D
Have you heard of Apex??
Whaaaaaaatatatatatatattaatatatat!?!?!?!?!??!?!??!?!?!
I spent all of LAST YEAR at Apex and Nation!!!! WTF. What were you doing down here?!
jimmyboy Jun 4th, 2007 12:49 AM
To hell with God, Jesus and Satan...
Christina...
satan should be in the poll
:devil:...drama y´know
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Whaaaaaaatatatatatatattaatatatat!?!?!?!?!??!?!??!?!?!
I spent all of LAST YEAR at Apex and Nation!!!! WTF. What were you doing down
here?!
Lmao! My friends and I went to Apex Thursday, it was carraaazzzy! :eek:

They played ANOM and all the queens went crazy. :roll:
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Lmao! My friends and I went to Apex Thursday, it was carraaazzzy! :eek:
They played ANOM and all the queens went crazy. :roll:
Well, I'm glad you had a good time! It can be really fun sometimes. But most of the time,
it's LAAAAME. Which is why I stopped going, and also, because I was getting addicted to
clubs. You guys just decided to go to Apex? That's random. Anyway, I'll probably be in NY
the weekend of the 25th for my friends B-day. FYI!!
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for creating much of the Europes most ingenius artistic and architectural creations. It
may not have promoted science, but it did promote high-art. I agree though that within it,
as with any religion, there is alot of hypocrisy.
lmfao brendan, art won't cure AIDS nor cancer.
Catholicism is a plague in every sense of the word (religion per se was like a disease in the
past ages).
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:nc: I don't think high art is a good replacement for technology and health care. :crazy:
people systematically based on their race. Slaughtering men while trying to take over
their country (while very very bad, don't get me wrong) is nowhere near the magnitude of
stealing men, women and children from their homes, shipping them off to camps,
gassing them to death and burying them in mass graves 10 million times over just
because they happen to look different.
FAO: SeX
For a start, Hitler was the Bin Laden of his day, he twisted his religion into what he wanted
it to be. Lets not go there.
As for art vs technology & health care. Have you seen the health care systems in Britain
and Ireland? :funny: jk. I actually am still preferring the art. :o
but to the point of the highilghted above ^^. This morning I was reading in a book by a
British author of how the residents of a far south western Irish town fled to a nearby Island
to escape the British invaders. The invaders followed them there only to butcher all the
women and children, holding their dying bodies up on their sword before throwing 300 of
them over a cliff. :sick: :noway:
That to me is as bad as Hitler, the 4kilometre island was of no use to the British, and the
women and children were helpless. You monarchy are a pack of evil murderous cowards,
who have guised their past by becoming allies with the US. What they have done in the past
accounts for just as much death and war as Hitler did. :o
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Well, I'm glad you had a good time! It can be really fun sometimes. But most of the time,
it's LAAAAME. Which is why I stopped going, and also, because I was getting addicted to
clubs. You guys just decided to go to Apex? That's random. Anyway, I'll probably be in
NY the weekend of the 25th for my friends B-day. FYI!!
Well I'm actually in Maryland until Tuesday--came home to visit the family, so my friends
took me there. It was fun, even if they did play waaaay too many Beyonce songs (had to
have been 6 or 7 :crazy: )
That's so weird, my birthday's the 28th :roll:
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Well I'm actually in Maryland until Tuesday--came home to visit the family, so my friends
took me there. It was fun, even if they did play waaaay too many Beyonce songs (had to
have been 6 or 7 :crazy: )
That's so weird, my birthday's the 28th :roll:
Oh thats cool, which part of MD? Too bad Nation closed down last year. You would of had
the most AMAZING GAY GLITTERY time ever if it were still open. I loved how it was
basically in the middle of the most dangerous place in DC, but the robbers and bums didnt
fluck with the Gays. And :arrow: at beyonce songs. Did the bald white guy at the door give
you any problems? He's such an a-hole.
That's barbaric, indeed, I'm not quite sure what your point is by bringing that up though.
The only way you could compare that to Christianity is by saying that I currently support
the monarchy that died over a millennium ago. I don't. I support a new government, a new
rule, a new regime, with new laws. The same cannot be said for Christianity, which is the
same 'government' (just with new people) and not all too different laws.
Also, I'm pretty sure my ancient monarchy weren't hanging heads on swords in the 20th
century :nc: But correct me if I'm wrong.
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lmfao brendan, art won't cure AIDS nor cancer.
Catholicism is a plague in every sense of the word (religion per se was like a disease in
the past ages).
I disagree. And Catholicism is not responsible for the fact that AIDS has no cure. Its
presence as a super power was being tarnished by rape scandals when the epidemic first
came to light.
And besides, I find a world without religion would be just as problematic. Its religious-
fanaticism that is the problem. I NEED to believe in something, alot of people do. And alot
of people with no beliefs are often very f**ked up. Even you can be an example of this my
dear. :kiss:

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Oh thats cool, which part of MD? Too bad Nation closed down last year. You would of
had the most AMAZING GAY GLITTERY time ever if it were still open. I loved how it
was basically in the middle of the most dangerous place in DC, but the robbers and bums
didnt fluck with the Gays. And :arrow: at beyonce songs. Did the bald white guy at the
door give you any problems? He's such an a-hole.
Southern Maryland. Like...really southern. So southern I won't even bother telling you the
name of the town because just reading it will give you a mullet.
No, there was no bald white man, but there was this short and stocky lesbian bitch. :evil:
Anyway, you totally need to remind me when you're coming into NYC!
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That's barbaric, indeed, I'm not quite sure what your point is by bringing that up though.
The only way you could compare that to Christianity is by saying that I currently support
the monarchy that died over a millennium ago. I don't. I support a new government, a
new rule, a new regime, with new laws. The same cannot be said for Christianity, which
is the same 'government' (just with new people) and not all too different laws.
Also, I'm pretty sure my ancient monarchy weren't hanging heads on swords in the 20th
century :nc: But correct me if I'm wrong.
No, they just hired fake-papparazzo in Paris to do their dirty work that time round. :o
Honestly, I dont support the church as such. I am religion and would certainly love to visit
the vatican, but it has tied itself up in alot of corruption. And its methods of secrecy is
somewhat bizarre. Me, I go to church, I pray, and I feel better for that. I dont need to suck
the pope off to be a good Christian. :angel:
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came to light.
fanaticism that is the problem. I NEED to believe in something, alot of people do. And
alot of people with no beliefs are often very f**ked up. Even you can be an example of
this my dear. :kiss:
Ooooooh...BURN!
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came to light.
I think a world without religion would be so much more peaceful. It makes me sad thinking
about how good our world had the potential to be, but was tarnished by religion :greyno:
Also, I have a lot more gratitude in the good morality of an atheist.
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...really southern. So southern I won't even bother telling you the name of the town
because just reading it will give you a mullet.
:funny: :music: :roll:
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I think a world without religion would be so much more peaceful. It makes me sad
thinking about how good our world had the potential to be, but was tarnished by
religion :greyno:
Also, I have a lot more gratitude in the good morality of an atheist.
People with no belief system are far more likely to go out and murder their neighbour. The
only pagan person in my school went insane when she was 17. Its just an example. But I
find that people with no spiritual beliefs are often lacking, most the time in intelligence.
:nod:
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came to light.
god that is so sad, i feel sorry for u. and u help with the argument that religion (ALL
religion) is something constructed for people who need to feel purpose and to have their
existance validated because they lack the ability to do so themselves.
religion is a club, typically, where people obtain a second/extended family and abide by
rules and norms set by others. in christianity's case, this was around 2 thousand years ago.
fair enough in an age where we knew close to nothing about biology and physics, people
are forgiven for accepting religion as a replacement for free thinking... but now? :crazy:
HighHeeledHO Jun 4th, 2007 01:12 AM
You will all rot in hell :)

KthnxBi
BTW. I shouldn't have brought up intelligence. The smartest guy I know is a complete non-
believer. Its just that most people in general, are not all that intelligent. And I couldnt tell
you how often Ive been on a night out with the usual drunken bimbos saying 'I dont believe
in God, when we die we rot in the ground'. Have any of these people ever read a science
book? Unlikely, because the most surprising thing about science is how little we actually
know. I'm perfectly willing to throw religion out the window but right now there is nothing
to disprove spirituality. When science can bring something better to the table, hell I will
listen. :nod:
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rules and norms set by others. in christianity's case, this was around 2 thousand years
ago. fair enough in an age where we knew close to nothing about biology and physics,
people are forgiven for accepting religion as a replacement for free thinking... but
now? :crazy:
You make it seem like science and rational thinking can't work with religion. I say the two
go hand-in-hand.
Ana Jun 4th, 2007 01:13 AM
What? :crazy:
The world would be much better WITHOUT religion. I don't believe in God & I'm
completely normal, I haven't killed my neighbour ;). There goes your statement about all
people with no beliefs being crazy.
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You will all rot in hell :)
KthnxBi
Gosh, lets hope not!
c´mon christina, pick it up!!
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rules and norms set by others. in christianity's case, this was around 2 thousand years
ago. fair enough in an age where we knew close to nothing about biology and physics,
people are forgiven for accepting religion as a replacement for free thinking... but
now? :crazy:
we still know more or less nothing of physics and biology. Did you know that most of the
universe is actually made up of nothing? at least nothing that modern science can find
within this supposed 'empty space'. Did you know that if you travel to the edge of the
universe you end up where you began? And nobody knows why. Did you know that
scientists still dont even know why alcohol has the effects on the human brain that it does?
There is SO much that we dont know.
And yes, I do need to believe in something. Gay people often throw religion down the
toilet, and you are not the first bitter gay guy athiest I have come across. But your argument
provides no new information to me. You can live without your beliefs, but dont hate me
just because I feel I belong to something. :arrow:
DiRrtyxX Jun 4th, 2007 01:15 AM
Not religious so, Christina.
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BTW. I shouldn't have brought up intelligence. The smartest guy I know is a complete
non-believer. Its just that most people in general, are not all that intelligent. And I
couldnt tell you how often Ive been on a night out with the usual drunken bimbos saying 'I
dont believe in God, when we die we rot in the ground'. Have any of these people ever
read a science book? Unlikely, because the most surprising thing about science is how
little we actually know. I'm perfectly willing to throw religion out the window but right
now there is nothing to disprove spirituality. When science can bring something better to
the table, hell I will listen. :nod:
and what, exactly, has religion brought to the table? acording to the bible Eve was formed
from Adams rib. acording to the bible a pensioner rounded up 2 of every animal. acording
to the bible jesus walked on water. acording to the bible mary became pregnant from a
hallucination....??? sounds like the bible doesnt kno much more about the real world then
scientists do :manson:
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People with no belief system are far more likely to go out and murder their neighbour.
The only pagan person in my school went insane when she was 17. Its just an example.
But I find that people with no spiritual beliefs are often lacking, most the time in
intelligence. :nod:
That's NOT true, that's just an ignorant assumption :crazy: As of 1997, 39% of US prison
inmates registered themselves as Christian and a further 35% as Protestant, only 0.2%
registered themselves as atheist. Yet in the country, around 10% registered themselves as
atheiston the census, etc. There are disproportionately low numbers of atheists in US
prisons.
Atheists do things because they want to. They'll do something good because they think it's
good. They form their own minds. Christians either do things because of the bible, or they
can justify it through the bible, i.e. 'doesn't matter what I do, jesus will forgive me if I
repent at the end' or 'god would want me to do this for him' etc.
I can't count the number of Christians who told me they do good things to get into heaven.
To me, that's disgusting. It pollutes a good act and turns it into a selfish one.
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What? :crazy:
The world would be much better WITHOUT religion. I don't believe in God & I'm
completely normal, I haven't killed my neighbour ;). There goes your statement about all
people with no beliefs being crazy.
How do you cope with tragedy in your life when you believe in nothing? How will you feel
when your parents die, or if your child gets cancer? If you are alone, where will you turn?
I'm not being a prick I just want to know how you will cope.
Ana Jun 4th, 2007 01:17 AM
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toilet, and you are not the first bitter gay guy athiest I have come across. But your
argument provides no new information to me. You can live without your beliefs, but dont
hate me just because I feel I belong to something. :arrow:
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You don't need to believe in something as
unlikely as God to "belong".
If anything, people with beliefs are the nutty ones... :crazy:
Ana Jun 4th, 2007 01:17 AM
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How do you cope with tragedy in your life when you believe in nothing? How will you
feel when your parents die, or if your child gets cancer? If you are alone, where will you
turn? I'm not being a prick I just want to know how you will cope.
My boyfriend & friends.
Ok seriously, I don't care WHO is it, but stop picking on people for their beliefs. That's
down right rude.
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and what, exactly, has religion brought to the table? acording to the bible Eve was
formed from Adams rib. acording to the bible a pensioner rounded up 2 of every animal.
acording to the bible jesus walked on water. acording to the bible mary became pregnant
from a hallucination....??? sounds like the bible doesnt kno much more about the real
world then scientists do :manson:
The bible was supposedly written in a coded form so that primitive pedestrians could
understand it. The metaphors no longer stand. In bible-belter USA they still go 100% by the
book but thats not how I was thought.
Ana Jun 4th, 2007 01:19 AM
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prisons.
I can't count the number of Christians who told me they do good things to get into
heaven. To me, that's disgusting. It pollutes a good act and turns it into a selfish one.
THANK YOU!
I'd rather much live doing what I want to do and what I feel is right, not what some old
book says is the right thing to do. I live by MY rules.
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My boyfriend & friends.
what if he is dead? what if they all are? Seriously though, there will be times when you
WILL feel alone, what age are you? Again I'm not being a prick I just wanna get a feel for
you life experience.
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we still know more or less nothing of physics and biology. Did you know that most of the
universe is actually made up of nothing? at least nothing that modern science can find
within this supposed 'empty space'. Did you know that if you travel to the edge of the
universe you end up where you began? And nobody knows why. Did you know that
scientists still dont even know why alcohol has the effects on the human brain that it
does? There is SO much that we dont know.
toilet, and you are not the first bitter gay guy athiest I have come across. But your
argument provides no new information to me. You can live without your beliefs, but dont
hate me just because I feel I belong to something. :arrow:
lady, trust me. i would feel this way if i was a raging hetero who had 13 children from
different mothers. my sexuality has no connection to my lack of faith. my lack of faith
comes from trusting facts over ideas a handful of crazy people thought up thousands of
years ago.
i actually went to a very religious school, went to church every wednesday and STILL
managed to save my free mind and understand that god is dead (nietzsche)
I would just love to know the absolute TRUTH right now. Wouldn't you guys? Anyways
just so you guys know, I'm not a gay bitter atheist man, but I'm a Christian gay man. I feel
that you shouldn't just throw away your belief system just because it's convenient for your
newfound lifestyle.
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prisons.
I can't count the number of Christians who told me they do good things to get into
heaven. To me, that's disgusting. It pollutes a good act and turns it into a selfish one.
Ok, firstly those people who misinterpret religion to allow them to commit a crime do not
represent what religion is supposed to be. I defintely agree with you on some of that... sh*t I
gotta go have dinner... be back later.
Ana Jun 4th, 2007 01:23 AM
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what if he is dead? what if they all are? Seriously though, there will be times when you
WILL feel alone, what age are you? Again I'm not being a prick I just wanna get a feel
for you life experience.
I doubt everyone will just drop dead one day and I'm gonna be alone. I'll always have
someone.
Even if that were to happen, talking to myself or, sorry talking to god will not comfort me. I
can't see him, I can't hear him... I might as well just talk to myself because it's the same
thing. Not very comforting. I laugh at people when they say "God told me to do this!" or
"God talked to me!"... :funny:

And WTF?! HOW can you say non-Christians are lacking in intelligence? Are you just
trying to get a reaction? The entire top ten of my class at high school then uni were atheist.
Don't make stupid assumptions.
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THANK YOU!
I'd rather much live doing what I want to do and what I feel is right, not what some old
book says is the right thing to do. I live by MY rules.
Exactly. Honestly, I tend to think that if there IS a god at those pearly gates, and he has to
chose between the christian who does good things to get into heaven or the atheist who
does good things to help people, the atheist would get his vote.
what a douche. id love to stay and chat, but me and phoebe SHOULD be going to bed (well
me at least, i have work at 8:30) as its late here! lol
i was enjoying this to. i wish stripped715 was still involved... shes hysterical (and not just
coz of her eyebrows)
night ladies x
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Ok, firstly those people who misinterpret religion to allow them to commit a crime do not
represent what religion is supposed to be. I defintely agree with you on some of that...
sh*t I gotta go have dinner... be back later.
I know that. But religion is SUCH an easy tool for self justification or misinterpretation.
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came to light.
Of course it's not responsible, that's ridiculous. I only tried to give you an example that it
would have been better for mankind to advance in science than to develop art, which is
basically useless.
And I respect your opinion but I wouldn't take La gioconda over a cure for cancer, by
example:laugh:
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Probably it would, but millions and millions of people would haven't died in 'God's name'.
We created God, not otherwise. But let's not go personal here: if you have a so-called God
to believe in, yet spend 24/7 drunk and change your sexual preferences on a daily basis
(which is worth pointing out: goes against catholic beliefs) I wouldn't call myself ****ed
up, my dear.
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what a douche. id love to stay and chat, but me and phoebe SHOULD be going to bed
(well me at least, i have work at 8:30) as its late here! lol
night ladies x
:laugh: The only thing I have tomorrow is a doctor's appointment at 3:30. But yes, you
should go to bed. :kiss:
And I know :roll:

Luis Hernan Jun 4th, 2007 01:28 AM
God made Christina's existence possible
xtinarunner Jun 4th, 2007 01:30 AM
God then Christina, DUH :crazy:
Religion is such a very complicate topic.
Religion can be good if used to keep a certain level of "good" behavior and to set personal
values and morals... It is its intolerance towards others who believe different what makes
religion a very dangerouos issue.
Unfortunately, it is human being who twist religion according to his personal needs.
prd2bdomini Jun 4th, 2007 01:32 AM
ok...first of all who in their right minds would compare xtina to God? and for everyone who
doesn't believe in him, i kinda feel sorry for you. it must be terrible roaming through life
with nothing to look forward to. who do you call when the world turns its back on you?
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Southern Maryland. Like...really southern. So southern I won't even bother telling you the
name of the town because just reading it will give you a mullet.
No, there was no bald white man, but there was this short and stocky lesbian bitch. :evil:
Anyway, you totally need to remind me when you're coming into NYC!
Oh god, there are like 12 short stubby lesbiaaaan bitches that work there. And I will
definitely remind you when.
And bwhahaha @ giving me a mullet. :roll:

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Originally Posted by prd2bdomini

ok...first of all who in their right minds would compare xtina to God? and for everyone
who doesn't believe in him, i kinda feel sorry for you. it must be terrible roaming through
life with nothing to look forward to. who do you call when the world turns its back on
you?
Don't feel sorry for me. I don't. I like to depend upon myself. I personally don't think it's
helpful to turn to external forces instead of taking control of your own life. I would prefer
to treasure this life absolutely than sit here waiting for the next one.
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what a douche. id love to stay and chat, but me and phoebe SHOULD be going to bed
(well me at least, i have work at 8:30) as its late here! lol
night ladies x
Goodnight most sexiest.
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Don't feel sorry for me. I don't. I like to depend upon myself. I personally don't think it's
helpful to turn to external forces instead of taking control of your own life. I would prefer
to treasure this life absolutely then sit here waiting for the next one.
that makes me feel even more sorry for you....but who do you turn to when you feel
powerless?
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you?
I feel I'm in my right mind to compare the two. I feel my comparison is valid since I devote
the same amount of time to Christina that I should be devoting to God. In that sense, I
compare them. Of course they're not equal. God is infinite and almighty. Christina is not.
Does that sound rational to you?
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you?
Ok, I wanted to be nice... So god forgive me :rolleyes:
I find it really pathetic and sad that a human being needs to create somethinng to believe in
so he can go through life because, well, himself ain't enough.
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that makes me feel even more sorry for you....but who do you turn to when you feel
powerless?
Seriously, don't feel sorry for me. I'm happy this way. The only person you will ALWAYS
have is yourself. You won't always have god, because god seems to abandon a lot of people
a lot of the time. You won't always have friends, you won't always have family. You'll
always have yourself. And if you learn to depend solely upon yourself, you don't NEED to
sit in a corner whining and crying for god to help you, because you don't get that low to
begin with.
I find it extremely sad that you can't help yourself though :( It makes me sad that some
people are so weak and low that they need the safety blanket of religion.
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Originally Posted by jimmyboy

I find it really pathetic and sad that a human being needs to create somethinng to believe
in so he can go through life because, well, himself ain't enough.
:nod:
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I pulled it out of my ass? :laugh: No, honey, I did a long essay on it (which, just in case
you decide to make a comment, earned the highest mark anyone from my school district
ever achieved) so I know what I'm talking about. Just because you don't like it doesn't
make it any less true. Other nations, within Asia in particular, were more advanced than
us. Unfortunately they fell to their own problems because they could continue to advance
at such a level, but there were many years where we DID have a lot to learn from
particularly India and China. Ibn Nafis, for example, discovered blood circulation in the
13th century - nobody in the West even considered that until the 16th century, 300 years
later!
After the fall of the Roman empire, we regressed. Health care fell because advancement
was prohibited by the church, education all but vanished, and sanitary systems were
actually abandoned when the Church took over. The Romans were more advanced in
many ways than we were in the dark ages - there's a reason they're called the dark ages.
Similarly, nor did I claim that Catholicism is responsible for every single thing that
happened in Britain. That would be silly.
You're on FIRE!
Burn, burn, burn, burn! :music:
Anyway, I think it's much more important to be philosophical and question everything. I
absolutely love studying every religion.
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I doubt everyone will just drop dead one day and I'm gonna be alone. I'll always have
someone.
Even if that were to happen, talking to myself or, sorry talking to god will not comfort me.
I can't see him, I can't hear him... I might as well just talk to myself because it's the same
thing. Not very comforting. I laugh at people when they say "God told me to do this!" or
"God talked to me!"... :funny:
I'm sorry but if you are just some 18 year old in love with their 'boyfriend' then I'm not sure
why I'm bothering. I am saying that I have beliefs because of my life experiences. I went
through years of being athiest but returned to religion one time when I had NOWHERE else
to go. Somehow, against all SCIENTIFIC odds, things worked out that time. And I'm not
trying to convert you but I know that there was something to that.
I find it disgusting how people like you can laugh and bicker at people with beliefs when
your own worthless lives are clearly so lacking. :rolleye2:
"safety blanket of religion" Is that all my religion is? A safety blanket? lol

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You're on FIRE!
Burn, burn, burn, burn! :music:
Anyway, I think it's much more important to be philosophical and question everything. I
absolutely love studying every religion.
Now this is the person that I can respect. Not some dumb teenager acting like they know
more about life than the billions of people who have come before them.
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Seriously, don't feel sorry for me. I'm happy this way. The only person you will ALWAYS
have is yourself. You won't always have god, because god seems to abandon a lot of
people a lot of the time. You won't always have friends, you won't always have family.
You'll always have yourself. And if you learn to depend solely upon yourself, you don't
NEED to sit in a corner whining and crying for god to help you, because you don't get
that low to begin with.
I find it extremely sad that you can't help yourself though :( It makes me sad that some
people are so weak and low that they need the safety blanket of religion.
I agree in part with alot of this. You HAVE TO be able to believe in yourself, before your
belief in anything else will have any worth. If you cannot stand alone then you really aren't
standing at all. God, is a separate argument.
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And WTF?! HOW can you say non-Christians are lacking in intelligence? Are you just
trying to get a reaction? The entire top ten of my class at high school then uni were
atheist. Don't make stupid assumptions.
Actually I have found during my years the the ones who are generally athiest are the either
the most dumb or the most intelligent. Its a polar extreme that is both fascinating and
disturbing. :o
But dont forget, there are alot more dumb people than intelligent. :manson:
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I find it really pathetic and sad that a human being needs to create somethinng to believe
in so he can go through life because, well, himself ain't enough.
damn...i feel sorry for you too. of course me alone isn't enough to get me through
life...simply because i'm only human and make mistakes sometimes. but with the help of a
higher (whatever you like to call it) i can do anything that he wants me to do.
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you?
Wouldn't it be worse to be roaming through life, doing or not doing certain things because
you're hoping to go to a place that doesn't exist?
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Wouldn't it be worse to be roaming through life, doing or not doing certain things
because you're hoping to go to a place that doesn't exist?
Is it a standard for Christina fans to be athiest? I really dont get it, like if you wanna be all
into Dirrty and gay sex you might as well worship the devil or something. Anything is
better than nothing. :devil:
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damn...i feel sorry for you too. of course me alone isn't enough to get me through
life...simply because i'm only human and make mistakes sometimes. but with the help of a
higher (whatever you like to call it) i can do anything that he wants me to do.
Well, good for you. You can keep all that lecture for yourself or for someone who actually
cares.. See that's the problem with some of the religion people... They feel the need to
belittle others because they don't believe of god, just to show the world how good christinas
they are.. Because deep inside they're lost and scare of all the ****ty things they've done so
they think by preaching the holy word they'll get their sins washed away..
Funny thing is, if there is a hell and heaven, I'll be making those "preachers" and "So
religious" people company in hell...
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Is it a standard for Christina fans to be athiest? I really dont get it, like if you wanna be
all into Dirrty and gay sex you might as well worship the devil or something. Anything is
:crazy:
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Of course it's not responsible, that's ridiculous. I only tried to give you an example that it
would have been better for mankind to advance in science than to develop art, which is
basically useless.
And I respect your opinion but I wouldn't take La gioconda over a cure for cancer, by
example:laugh:
Probably it would, but millions and millions of people would haven't died in 'God's
name'.
We created God, not otherwise. But let's not go personal here: if you have a so-called
God to believe in, yet spend 24/7 drunk and change your sexual preferences on a daily
basis (which is worth pointing out: goes against catholic beliefs) I wouldn't call myself
****ed up, my dear.
:funny: Nexus, I like you. It is through life experience that I have come to believe there is
more to this than what just what I can seeee.... I beliiiiieeeevveee..... :angel:
I believe.
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who doesn't believe in him, i kinda feel sorry for you. it must be terrible roaming
through life with nothing to look forward to. who do you call when the world turns its
back on you?
No need to feel sorry. I could say the same thing about someone who sits there and prays,
waiting for a supposed God to solve their problems (although in the end that never
happens).
Looking forward to my goals and having faith in myself, that's the only thing that's going to
guarantee my welfare in the long run. I also believe I am responsible of my own
achievements or failures, not God.
I just can't go to a church and pretend to be a good individual to get a place in heaven, rotf
sorry but that's utterly ridiculous. People are starving to death in some places while the
Pope is having dinner in gold plates, religion is nothing but a business.
In regards to your last statement, I call my psychiatrist or my best friend: they both can
actually give me an answer.
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You so crazy. Seriously, your fate needs to be the same as your avatar. The Dodo is
foretelling.
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Wouldn't it be worse to be roaming through life, doing or not doing certain things
because you're hoping to go to a place that doesn't exist?
how do you know it doesn't exist?
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happens).
Looking forward to my goals and having faith in myself, that's the only thing that's going
to guarantee my welfare in the long run. I also believe I am responsible of my own
I just can't go to a church and pretend to be a good individual to get a place in heaven,
rotf sorry but that's utterly ridiculous. People are starving to death in some places while
the Pope is having dinner in gold plates, religion is nothing but a business.
PUNCH, GABO, PUNCH!! :music:
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how do you know it doesn't exist?
I don't. Just like you don't know it does exist. But the point is, I could easily say I feel sorry
for you, just as easily as you say you feel sorry for me.
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Many gay people believe in god, otherwise, why are so many gay couples wanting to get a
religious ceremony :crazy:
Anyway, what does gay have anything to do with atheism?
And if god is a entity hard to believe in, believing in the devil is laughable.... Those who
believe in god believe in the devil and viceversa...
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I don't. Just like you don't know it does exist. But the point is, I could easily say I feel
sorry for you, just as easily as you say you feel sorry for me.
I know, it's all about respect..Which we sometimes forget to give..
[QUOTE=nexus]No need to feel sorry. I could say the same thing about someone who sits
there and prays, waiting for a supposed God to solve their problems (although in the end
that never happens).
Looking forward to my goals and having faith in myself, that's the only thing that's going to
guarantee my welfare in the long run. I also believe I am responsible of my own
I just can't go to a church and pretend to be a good individual to get a place in heaven, rotf
sorry but that's utterly ridiculous. People are starving to death in some places while the
Pope is having dinner in gold plates, religion is nothing but a business.
In regards to your last statement, I call my psychiatrist or my best friend: they both
can actually give me an answer.[/QUOTE]
why would you call on someone that is in the same situation as you are....what can they do
for you?
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you?
Wtf?
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I'm into dirrty and gay sex and I'm not an atheist. I'm a Christian, and I don't believe that
gay sex is a sin. If gay sex = sin, then sex = sin, in my opinion.
For you gay Christians out there, you should read a book that changed my life. It's called
"What the Bible Really Says About Homosexuality."
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Many gay people believe in god, otherwise, why are so many gay couples wanting to get
a religious ceremony :crazy:
Anyway, what does gay have anything to do with atheism?
And if god is a entity hard to believe in, believing in the devil is laughable.... Those who
believe in god believe in the devil and viceversa...
lol the gay thing was kind of a joke. But I have come across plenty younger gay people who
are like 'i cant believe in God cos he hates gays'. To me that is just as stupid as the bible-
belters who believe gays are evil.
Anyway I am not marrying a man anytime soon. But I dont get how you guys can come
into this thread acting like believers are lesser beings and bringing all this hate on. If you all
were so content with your God-free beliefs then why do ye all have to come in here
bitching like its a Carrie/sales thread?:o :sick:
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I don't. Just like you don't know it does exist. But the point is, I could easily say I feel
sorry for you, just as easily as you say you feel sorry for me.
that's true....but whatever floats your boat. im not on a mission to convert ld, so carry on.
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Wtf?
it's a spirtual thing...
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why would you call on someone that is in the same situation as you are....what can they
do for you?
You win, give me God's number. I'll give it a try.

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:roll:
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it's a spirtual thing...
Fabulous is spiritual
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the fact that you keep coming back with these childish bitter comments suggests an inner
turmoil Gabo? I dont buy your self-content BS.
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:roll:
OMG u would laugh at a funeral :rolleye2:
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1-800-I-DON'T-WANNA-BURN-IN-HELL
it's toll free
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happens).
Hm, I'm impressed Nex :].
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OMG u would laugh at a funeral :rolleye2:
Wtf?? You are the ONLY person I have ever seen on a forum, quote people who post
smileys in response to other people's posts. Your obsession with me needs to end.
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lol the gay thing was kind of a joke. But I have come across plenty younger gay people
who are like 'i cant believe in God cos he hates gays'. To me that is just as stupid as the
bible-belters who believe gays are evil.
Anyway I am not marrying a man anytime soon. But I dont get how you guys can come
into this thread acting like believers are lesser beings and bringing all this hate on. If you
all were so content with your God-free beliefs then why do ye all have to come in here
bitching like its a Carrie/sales thread?:o :sick:
i was just responding to someone who felt sorry for us atheist people..... I respect but
whenever I feel just a little bit of hostility I lost it :o So I didn't come into this thread
thinking "Oh believers :rolleyes: It's time for me to give them a lecture and prove theirs
ignorance"...
And yeah, I agree about the gays not believing because religious people hate gays (Because
nobody knows if God hates gays, so it's all man-created), it's stupid..
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Wtf?? You are the ONLY person I have ever seen on a forum, quote people who post
smileys in response to other people's posts. Your obsession with me needs to end.
:o I'm running out of energy with your eternal crap-talking.
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you?
Why do you feel sorry for us, other than the fact that we (according to you) have "nothing
to look forward to." Of course, none of us want a future. None of us want children. None of
us want to get married. Of course, we don't believe in God, so obviously, the only
reasonable thing for us to do is to succumb to death and have absolutely nothing to want in
the future.
God isn't something "to look forward to." It should be something that you possess right
now. You shouldn't feel the need to have a supernatural force to fix all your problems.
Either way, that's not what God is for. God is not your bitch. He's not there to just be there
"when the world turns its back on you."
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Well, he keeps comming because posts keep coming in... I feel an internal and spiritual
insecurity on those he is debating with..
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:o I'm running out of energy with your eternal crap-talking.
Me laughing is crap-talking? :crazy: Stop.being.obsessed.with.me.
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to look forward to." Of course, none of us want a future. None of us want children. None
of us want to get married. Of course, we don't believe in God, so obviously, the only
reasonable thing for us to do is to succumb to death and have absolutely nothing to want
in the future.
Either way, that's not what God is for. God is not your bitch. He's not there to just be
there "when the world turns its back on you."
Of course he is. He's everyone's personal magician! :bunny:
Yeah! Stop obssessing over sunofthesky. There's nothing about him to obssess over.
:tongue:
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Well, he keeps comming because posts keep coming in... I feel an internal and spiritual
insecurity on those he is debating with..
Lawd. :rolleye2:
Everybody is so touchy about the God factor its just pathetic. Nobody is EVER gonna
change any elses minds and shame on them if they do. I think that only through life
experience can you really grasp what your true beliefs are. If I were to have a conversation
like this with the person I was 8 years ago I woulda strangled the c*nt. :laugh:
By the way, God is still winning.
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Me laughing is crap-talking? :crazy: Stop.being.obsessed.with.me.
your laugh is more like a sneer. You dont actually laugh at stuff that is funny, just stuff that
you agree with but that your own brain has not been able to compile to put the argument
across by yourself. Its your own dumb way of agreeing with people. And its kinda
sucks.:manson:
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Lawd. :rolleye2:
Everybody is so touchy about the God factor its just pathetic. Nobody is EVER gonna
change any elses minds and shame on them if they do. I think that only through life
experience can you really grasp what your true beliefs are. If I were to have a
conversation like this with the person I was 8 years ago I woulda strangled the c*nt.
:laugh:
Well, tell that to the good samaritan who felt sorry for us dirty and blasphemy people...
Waltrindade Jun 4th, 2007 02:11 AM
Christina, seriously.
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your laugh is more like a sneer. You dont actually laugh at stuff that is funny, just stuff
that you agree with but that your own brain has not been able to compile to put the
argument across by yourself. Its your own dumb way of agreeing with people. And its
kinda sucks.:manson:
So you're mad that I agree with people who disagree with you? Are you that emotionally
unstable?
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By the way, God is still winning.
Damn!! Where are all the Christina's stans when you need them?
What's up Jun 4th, 2007 02:13 AM
ROTF i picked god.
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So you're mad that I agree with people who disagree with you? Are you that emotionally
unstable?
No. I dont always disagree with the people you agree with. :rolleye2:
I'm just saying that your manner of joining in an argument doesnt go beyond your
lemming/sheep bandwaggoning method that you seem to use again and again.:manson:
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to look forward to." Of course, none of us want a future. None of us want children. None
of us want to get married. Of course, we don't believe in God, so obviously, the only
reasonable thing for us to do is to succumb to death and have absolutely nothing to want
in the future.
Either way, that's not what God is for. God is not your bitch. He's not there to just be
there "when the world turns its back on you."
no, God himself isn't something you look forward to...he gives you peace at heart. and of
course atheists want to get married, have children, etc., but what do you do when problems
arise during the process.
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Yeah! Stop obssessing over sunofthesky. There's nothing about him to obssess over.
:tongue:
Really there isn't. He quotes my posts more than anyone on this forum. And this is someone
who at one point, apparently had me on "ignore". :laugh:
Anyway, I'm out... People are gathering at church in about five minutes and I need to
practice my shooting....

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Well, tell that to the good samaritan who felt sorry for us dirty and blasphemy people...
Well if he genuinely did feel sorry for you than thats ok. But if he meant it in a bitchy (Im a
Beyonce fan and she has sold more than XA) way then thats retarded.
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No. I dont always disagree with the people you agree with. :rolleye2:
I'm just saying that your manner of joining in an argument doesnt go beyond your
lemming/sheep bandwaggoning method that you seem to use again and again.:manson:
You clearly have not seen many of my arguments on LD. :crazy:
Peter Pan, you must be really tired of typing. I applaud you for defending what you believe
in. You go girl!
In_My_World Jun 4th, 2007 02:15 AM
Oh god... :noway: :noway: :noway:
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Really there isn't. He quotes my posts more than anyone on this forum. And this is
someone who at one point, apparently had me on "ignore". :laugh:
I had you on ignore but when you post News threads I obviously want to read them in case
there is Christina news.
jorge. Jun 4th, 2007 02:16 AM

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I voted for Christina.
Jesus Christ =/= God. Lauren Graham = God.
The End.
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Peter Pan, you must be really tired of typing. I applaud you for defending what you
believe in. You go girl!
thank you :kiss:

Its nice being a girl :nod:
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no, God himself isn't something you look forward to...he gives you peace at heart. and of
course atheists want to get married, have children, etc., but what do you do when
problems arise during the process.
Going to God to solve those problems isn't going to help.
It's not like those who lost their families in Hurricane Katrina can pray to God to have their
families come back to them. It's not like they can pray for their homes back. Your own will
to get back what you deserve--a home, clothes, a living--and your own abilities will get that
far. Not some silly prayer or some page in the Bible that you recite over and over.
And how does God give you peace at heart? Knowing that one bad move can ruin your
reputation to him and can send you to the world of eternal flames and torture? That sure
brings a warm sensation into my heart!

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Actually I have found during my years the the ones who are generally athiest are the
either the most dumb or the most intelligent. Its a polar extreme that is both fascinating
and disturbing. :o
But dont forget, there are alot more dumb people than intelligent. :manson:
Statistically, highly religious people (not always - there are some INCREDIBLY intelligent
religious people) are more likely to be of lower intelligence because they're less likely to
think for themselves. That's not the case in everything, of course, I would never claim it to
be a universal truth. But again, you're making assumptions.
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I had you on ignore but when you post News threads I obviously want to read them in
case there is Christina news.
I rarely post Christina news threads. Stop acting like you ACTUALLY had me on ignore.
:laugh:
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It's not like those who lost their families in Hurricane Katrina can pray to God to have
their families come back to them. It's not like they can pray for their homes back. Your
own will to get back what you deserve--a home, clothes, a living--and your own abilities
will get that far. Not some silly prayer or some page in the Bible that you recite over and
over.
reputation to him and can send you to the world of eternal flames and torture? That
sure brings a warm sensation into my heart!
ROTF!
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Bitter? I'm having a cigarette while I get ready to travel to Europe. Honestly I couldn't be
happier, and God didn't send me the tickets.
It's just ridiculous as I told you before, feeling sorry about people who trust themselves and
take the direction of their own lifes? Do I have to throw mine off the window and wait for
God to light me up? lmfao.
Don't keep attacking me everytime I make your puritanical beliefs look hilarious, I replied
to you before and you came up with 'nexus I like you' so there's no need to continue.
An inner turmoil is the one who made you believe in a supposed God after being gay and
doing **** for years, I'm absolutely clear in what I am/believe. It's like when everything
else fails we must go catholic, but it doesn't work that way... catholicism would send you to
hell due to c*cksucking.
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Well if he genuinely did feel sorry for you than thats ok. But if he meant it in a bitchy (Im
a Beyonce fan and she has sold more than XA) way then thats retarded.
Well, he meant it on a bitchy way, but that's ok. I'm getting bored of this already
Ok everyone, see ya in HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angel:
Keep the votes coming in!!!

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Statistically, highly religious people (not always - there are some INCREDIBLY
intelligent religious people) are more likely to be of lower intelligence because they're
less likely to think for themselves. That's not the case in everything, of course, I would
never claim it to be a universal truth. But again, you're making assumptions.
How do you think statistics are made honey? By OBSERVATION. That is what my
supposed random 'assumptions' are based on. Now I was brought up believing in religion in
a very positive and simplistic way, in a manner that was not invasive nor influential on my
studies or life. It was more of a confirmation of good in the world. And since you are so
obsessed with stats, can you explain to me why the decline in religious beliefs in society so
often coincides with a large increase in suicide rates?
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Ok everyone, see ya in HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angel:
I wonder if Satan has anything aginst us making s'mores?
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over.
I love that you went from "Is there a God?" to this. It's the same freaking thing I went
through and it is just lovely.
PS: Jimmy! Remember the reservations for my room!
Lets_Get_Dirrty Jun 4th, 2007 02:24 AM
christina of course
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supposed random 'assumptions' are based on. Now I was brought up believing in religion
in a very positive and simplistic way, in a manner that was not invasive nor influential on
my studies or life. It was more of a confirmation of good in the world. And since you are
so obsessed with stats, can you explain to me why the decline in religious beliefs in
society so often coincides with a large increase in suicide rates?
Ok, to answer your suicide comment... I think that the main problem remains on society and
religion tight rules and intolerance what makes people wanna jump off a building, due to
the pressure put upon them... Because they believe, if they didn't believe they wouldn't give
a damn...
Among other factors of course, but blaming it on not believing is not an accurate response..
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Just so you know, correlation does not imply causality. Something I learned in one of my
stats classes. In fact it's my major.:D
Currently listening to "Loving Me 4 Me." Such a great, smooth, relaxing, sweet song.
Ana Jun 4th, 2007 02:24 AM

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happens).
Wow, that was perfect.
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Bitter? I'm having a cigarette while I get ready to travel to Europe. Honestly I couldn't be
happier, and God didn't send me the tickets.
It's just ridiculous as I told you before, feeling sorry about people who trust themselves
and take the direction of their own lifes? Do I have to throw mine off the window and
wait for God to light me up? lmfao.
Don't keep attacking me everytime I make your puritanical beliefs look hilarious, I
replied to you before and you came up with 'nexus I like you' so there's no need to
continue.
An inner turmoil is the one who made you believe in a supposed God after being gay and
doing **** for years, I'm absolutely clear in what I am/believe. It's like when everything
else fails we must go catholic, but it doesn't work that way... catholicism would send you
to hell due to c*cksucking.
:o I wish you didnt have to be so horrible about it. Anyway I PMed you. Reply :)
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Jorge, your room will be next to mine and John's :nod: We are on a different and much
better corridor than the one of the religious people who go to hell...Even in hell there are
classes :o
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Ok, to answer your suicide comment... I think that the main problem remains on society
and religion tight rules and intolerance what makes people wanna jump off a building,
due to the pressure put upon them... Because they believe, if they didn't believe they
wouldn't give a damn...
Among other factors of course, but blaming it on not believing is not an accurate
response..
where I grew up religion did not have a tight hold or rules on people. But as people became
less religious our suicide rate increased ten fold.
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I'm pretty much convinced that there is no God.
Which is why I find praying to him useless and unnecessary.
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Jorge, your room will be next to mine and John's :nod: We are on a different and much
better corridor than the one of the religious people who go to hell...Even in hell there are
classes :o
Thank God :o
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Wow, that was perfect.
Typical. I love how you people wait for somebody with the same opinion as you, but with a
much higher intellect, comes along so you can agree with them and not have brain-fry by
trying to do it yourself. :rolleye2:

This is my biggest thread by far! Thanks so much you guys! Even if you didn't stick to the
original question. LOL
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I think the Jews have a God. I figure they've been through so much ****, they seriously
need something better after this life. They are the only ones with a God though. And maybe
the Mormons, because they're funny.
Ana Jun 4th, 2007 02:28 AM
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Typical. I love how you people wait for somebody with the same opinion as you, but with
a much higher intellect, comes along so you can agree with them and not have brain-fry
by trying to do it yourself. :rolleye2:
um wtf? I just came on this board like 5 mins ago and I was just reading through the posts
after I was gone and I saw his. If he hadn't posted, I would have said something myself. So,
STFU.
:arrow:
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Thank God :o
Yep, I thank him everyday for creating me as an atheist... He like, totally rules!

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But how on EARTH do you solve your problems, John? :blueeek:
How do you find peace?
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Yep, I thank him everyday for creating me as an atheist... He like, totally rules!
Lol.
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where I grew up religion did not have a tight hold or rules on people. But as people
became less religious our suicide rate increased ten fold.
Then, if religion wasn't as tight, then what difference does it make for people to believe or
not to believe, that would make them commit suicide? it has nothing to do with being or not
being a believer..
Have you checked the drug abuse rates where you grew up? That could be another reason..
Ana Jun 4th, 2007 02:29 AM
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lmao
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It's simple. Because people aren't told what to do by their bible. I am not so biased that I
can't see that. I find it hard to judge matters like this though, because most of these suicides
are a product of their environment within a christian society. Who's to say factors that
influenced it were neutral or religious?
Though I fail to see what relevance this has. If nothing else, that suggests that I was correct
in my assessment of intelligence. Statistically speaking again, people of above average
intelligence are more prone to mental illnesses such as depression, anorexia, bulimia, and
thus in turn more prone to suicide. If the link is indeed true between atheists and suicide
then by connection the link is also true between atheists and heightened intelligence.
However, I think you are confusing 'statistic' with 'anecdotal evidence'. Just because you've
seen something in your life doesn't make it true.
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I think the Jews have a God. I figure they've been through so much ****, they seriously
need something better after this life. They are the only ones with a God though. And
maybe the Mormons, because they're funny.
Are you joking?
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Are you joking?
If you have to ask...
I just wanted to throw my two cents in about the science/religion aspect. people that follow
evolution theory are NO DIFFERENT than those who follow creation theory. evolution is a
religon based on theory. It has asboltuly no facts to substantiate it. the only evolution thats
proven is micro evolution ( a species within a species) and christians do not dispute that
fact or any other scientific fact. but you see most of what kids today read in the text book is
NOT fact. In fact there aremany many facts that disprove evolution and big bang and
speculation that the earth is millions of years old and if anyones interested Ill continue but
since I get slammed for my long posts all the time Ill just close with there are lies in the text
books and people just follow it blindly as christians follow the bible on faith. there is no
difference. there is no way to prove creation but there is also no way to prove evolution.
and I highly suggest all of you who blindly follow the science text books you are just being
a dope because they word, falsify and stretch the facts so they can sell you their unproven
theories.
and on another note since prayer was taken out of school in 63 according to the department
of health and other credible sources there has been repid incline of premarital pregnancies
in teenagers, stds in teens, and teens living with eachother before marriage and a decline in
sat scores, in fact they had to lower the test standards so kids wouldnt look so dumb. people
ask why cant god stop those shootings in school...because hes not welcome there anymore.
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I move all known variables to the left of the equation and then move all of my unknown
variables (like x and y) to the right of the equation. Then I try using the quadratic formula.
How do you solve your problems?
Ana Jun 4th, 2007 02:33 AM
Why would you want to follow the rules of a musty old book that was written thousands of
years ago? It's YOUR life, you should do what you want with it.
I also don't get the whole 'praying to God' and finding comfort in him.. HOW does that help
you? Does it feel good knowing the only 'person' you can turn to is not even there? You
can't hear him? Wouldn't that make you feel more lonely?
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variables (like x and y) to the right of the equation. Then I try using the quadratic
formula. How do you solve your problems?
I use the Pythagorean theorem. It totally works for me.
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variables (like x and y) to the right of the equation. Then I try using the quadratic
formula. How do you solve your problems?
Me!! Me!! Ok, I write as many possible solutions to my problems as possible, then use a
coin to decide which direction to follow.... I love taking risks and being unpredictable..
Does anyone use the Guess and Check method?
That seems to describe the whole religion thing. No?
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Typical. I love how you people wait for somebody with the same opinion as you, but with
a much higher intellect, comes along so you can agree with them and not have brain-fry
by trying to do it yourself. :rolleye2:
You're just mad. Get over it, and grow up.
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I just wanted to throw my two cents in about the science/religion aspect. people that
follow evolution theory are NO DIFFERENT than those who follow creation theory.
evolution is a religon based on theory. It has asboltuly no facts to substantiate it. the only
evolution thats proven is micro evolution ( a species within a species) and christians do
not dispute that fact or any other scientific fact. but you see most of what kids today read
in the text book is NOT fact. In fact there aremany many facts that disprove evolution and
big bang and speculation that the earth is millions of years old and if anyones interested
Ill continue but since I get slammed for my long posts all the time Ill just close with there
are lies in the text books and people just follow it blindly as christians follow the bible on
faith. there is no difference. there is no way to prove creation but there is also no way to
prove evolution. and I highly suggest all of you who blindly follow the science text books
you are just being a dope because they word, falsify and stretch the facts so they can sell
you their unproven theories.
and on another note since prayer was taken out of school in 63 according to the
department of health and other credible sources there has been repid incline of
premarital pregnancies in teenagers, stds in teens, and teens living with eachother before
marriage and a decline in sat scores, in fact they had to lower the test standards so kids
wouldnt look so dumb. people ask why cant god stop those shootings in school...because
hes not welcome there anymore.
The fact that you call evolution a religion shows you have no idea whatsoever what you
talk about. Such ignorance.
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Then, if religion wasn't as tight, then what difference does it make for people to believe or
not to believe, that would make them commit suicide? it has nothing to do with being or
not being a believer..
Have you checked the drug abuse rates where you grew up? That could be another
reason..
ROTF @ u dramatising. No there was no real drug influences where I grew up. Religious
belief was very strong but NOT strictly enforced, there is a difference. You can have an
environment of very strong believers without them necessarily being 'strict'. I think you are
mixing it up with the very Americanised Catholicism/Baptism etc where they live 100% by
the book. Where I lived, religion was a form of freedom if anything. :eek:
RingTheAlarm Jun 4th, 2007 02:36 AM
Atheism really just takes away any good reason not to kill yourself.
But my answer is easy: Christina.
I am beautiful no matter what they say, yes words can't bring me down
just remember this people
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I also don't get the whole 'praying to God' and finding comfort in him.. HOW does that
help you? Does it feel good knowing the only 'person' you can turn to is not even there?
You can't hear him? Wouldn't that make you feel more lonely?
God has spoken to me and many others who actually seek to grow closer with him. you
think its that simple that someone can screw up their entire life and do nothing but sin but
then they get into a jam and pray and god responds to them? no he reads your heart and I
spent my whole life in church because thats how I was raised but it wasnt until after college
I TRUELY began to seek him out of the pure desire of my heart, i went to church because I
wanted to, I prayed because I wanted to, I watched preaching on tv instead of mtv because i
wanted to and sure enough he spoke to me and that was the epidmeny of my life so far
because for the first time ever I had no doubt in my mind that he was real. I dont care if I
sound looney tunes, he spoke to me and I am not ashamed of him or talking about him.
and your right it is our life. God gave of this life and wanted us to enjoy it. he gave us
freedom. he didnt want us to be puppets on a string because then our love for him would be
automatic not chosen. No he gave us the freedom to choose and I respect others choices but
then they must live with their choice. he is THE ONLY WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE. so
be my guest choose to be a sinner, choose to reject your maker, choose to go to hell. It only
hurts God to lose you
(and when I say you thats in a general way not neccessairly directed at you personall but
everyone here)
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Atheism really just takes away any good reason not to kill yourself.
Well, sure, if you're suicidal. Although, killing yourself would land you in hell, so... yes.
Ana Jun 4th, 2007 02:38 AM
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I am beautiful no matter what they say, yes words can't bring me down
just remember this people
lol Christina is my god :p
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The fact that you call evolution a religion shows you have no idea whatsoever what you
talk about. Such ignorance.
Lol thats funny.
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the only evolution thats proven is micro evolution ( a species within a species) and
christians do not dispute that fact or any other scientific fact.
I thought evolution was something religion was against... I mean, unless Adam and Eva
were unicelulars organisms...
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In fact there aremany many facts that disprove evolution
Contradiction anyone?
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I also don't get the whole 'praying to God' and finding comfort in him.. HOW does that
help you? Does it feel good knowing the only 'person' you can turn to is not even there?
You can't hear him? Wouldn't that make you feel more lonely?
:rolleye2: Lord have mercy. Please honey the first thing I asked you you replied with 'my
boyfriend' which immediately indicates a complete incapability of standing on your own
two feet. SerenityX should make meat of you. But you are clearly very young, I will let you
be, I used to be like you before I read a few books (not the Bible).
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but it wasnt until after college I TRUELY began to seek him out of the pure desire of my
heart
You should have spent a bit more time studying. It's "TRULY".

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Adam and Eve is usually used as an argument by athiests against Christianity. The Adam
and Eve story isnt even supported by the church. It is just a metaphor for the creation.
Please.:o
Tony'slips Jun 4th, 2007 02:40 AM
I think ugly people don't believe in god that's why I voted for Chris
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ROTF @ u dramatising. No there was no real drug influences where I grew up. Religious
belief was very strong but NOT strictly enforced, there is a difference. You can have an
environment of very strong believers without them necessarily being 'strict'. I think you
are mixing it up with the very Americanised Catholicism/Baptism etc where they live
100% by the book. Where I lived, religion was a form of freedom if anything. :eek:
Still, I don't see a conection between suicides and non-believers rates....
And wow @ your obsession with america...
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Lol thats funny.
Seriously, you have such faith, yet you display such a lack of comprehension. A religion is
a set of beliefs, practices and morals held by a vast community of people with relation to
spiritual/mystical belief. A commonly believed theory is a commonly believed theory.
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Adam and Eve is usually used as an argument by athiests against Christianity. The Adam
and Eve story isnt even supported by the church. It is just a metaphor for the creation.
Please.:o
Then, they were unicelular organisms?
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God has spoken to me and many others who actually seek to grow closer with him. you
think its that simple that someone can screw up their entire life and do nothing but sin but
then they get into a jam and pray and god responds to them? no he reads your heart and
I spent my whole life in church because thats how I was raised but it wasnt until after
college I TRUELY began to seek him out of the pure desire of my heart, i went to church
because I wanted to, I prayed because I wanted to, I watched preaching on tv instead of
mtv because i wanted to and sure enough he spoke to me and that was the epidmeny of
my life so far because for the first time ever I had no doubt in my mind that he was real. I
dont care if I sound looney tunes, he spoke to me and I am not ashamed of him or talking
about him.
and your right it is our life. God gave of this life and wanted us to enjoy it. he gave us
freedom. he didnt want us to be puppets on a string because then our love for him would
be automatic not chosen. No he gave us the freedom to choose and I respect others
choices but then they must live with their choice. he is THE ONLY WAY the TRUTH and
the LIFE. so be my guest choose to be a sinner, choose to reject your maker, choose to go
to hell. It only hurts God to lose you
(and when I say you thats in a general way not neccessairly directed at you personall but
everyone here)
So supposedly I'm going to hell for something that I believe in? Freedom my ass. If God
was so great he would have given everyone the freedom to believe what they want to and
not get punished for it. What a load of BS.
Also, how has he 'spoken' to you? rofl. I think that was just your voice in your head hearing
what you want to hear, hun.
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over.
now i know why you have such little faith! you have the wrong perception of what religion
and god is about. he never promised us a bed of roses. nothing is perfect in this
world...whether you believe in God or not. but the difference is that i choose to put my faith
into something that has proven to work miracles.

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what is a religion? an idea based on theory that people follow in faith and no actual facts or
proof right? its something a group of people want badly to belive in. Yes? so that is
evolution. think about it. a bunch of guys wrote the bible and the story of how the earth
began and people follow it by faith based on the word of God and what they can gather of
historical or scientific proof. ok? so then a bunch of scientists got together and made up a
story of how they think the earth began lol which has amusingly changed its story about 10
times and they add on another million or so years to the earths age every 15 minutes and
then a bunch of guys draw little pictures of aligators turning into humans and everyone
follows it out of sheer beliefe...I mean sounds pretty much the same to me my dear.
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two feet. SerenityX should make meat of you. But you are clearly very young, I will let
you be, I used to be like you before I read a few books (not the Bible).
:roll:
The whole point in having faith is believing in something that can't be proven.
Those who do have faith in God and their religion are strong, in my opinion. But those who
are independent and question their beliefs are just as strong.
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So supposedly I'm going to hell for something that I believe in? Freedom my ass. If God
was so great he would have given everyone the freedom to believe what they want to and
not get punished for it. What a load of BS.
Also, how has he 'spoken' to you? rofl. I think that was just your voice in your head
hearing what you want to hear, hun.
I find it funny you decide what God should or shouldnt be, what he should or shouldnt do
considering he made you. He does give you the freedom to belive what you want..no ones
stopping you and yes you will go to hell if you choose to not believe in him.
and it doesnt surprise me that people will poke fun and be nasty. I just consider if
something that happens when people are insecure. as i said laugh all you want but I know
whats real and I know hes spoken to me..no voices in my head just the voice of God.
Ana Jun 4th, 2007 02:44 AM
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two feet. SerenityX should make meat of you. But you are clearly very young, I will let
you be, I used to be like you before I read a few books (not the Bible).
:roll:
YOU praying to God to solve you problems and always relying on him shows you couldn't
stand on your own two feet.
Also, my bf just makes it easier and he brings me strength and happiness, he's someone I
can TALK to and he gives me advice.. a REAL person I can rely on. I'd like to see you do
that with your so called God.
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what is a religion? an idea based on theory that people follow in faith and no actual
facts or proof right? its something a group of people want badly to belive in. Yes? so
that is evolution.
Wrong, actually, :greyno: God, this is sad, I can't believe someone like you would be so
unaware of what the things they believe in actually are.
Evolution is not a religion because people don't follow it, nor do they base their lives on it,
nor do they have practices relate to it, nor do they have morals defined by it. It's a theory
that they believe in. It's no different to, say, believing that somebody is a good person
without having proof, or believing a rumour without proof. It's a belief without evidence,
but it is not a religion. That would be an incredibly narrow interpretation.
Believing a theory without evidence is non-spiritual faith but it is not a religion. There is a
VAST, VAST difference.
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now i know why you have such little faith! you have the wrong perception of what
religion and god is about. he never promised us a bed of roses. nothing is perfect in this
world...whether you believe in God or not. but the difference is that i choose to put my
faith into something that has proven to work miracles.
Religion and proof shall not be put together...
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Seriously, you have such faith, yet you display such a lack of comprehension. A religion
is a set of beliefs, practices and morals held by a vast community of people with relation
to spiritual/mystical belief. A commonly believed theory is a commonly believed theory.
again you crack me up. you have no idea where Im coming from and what i know and yet
you use the word ignorance with me. I find that very funny. Im not even bothering serenity.
think what you want. I find it a shame but nothing i can change. of course it does say in the
bible that no one is without hope. so i shouldnt give up but I dunno this really isnt worth
debating.
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It's simple. Because people aren't told what to do by their bible. I am not so biased that I
can't see that. I find it hard to judge matters like this though, because most of these
suicides are a product of their environment within a christian society. Who's to say
factors that influenced it were neutral or religious?
Though I fail to see what relevance this has. If nothing else, that suggests that I was
correct in my assessment of intelligence. Statistically speaking again, people of above
average intelligence are more prone to mental illnesses such as depression, anorexia,
bulimia, and thus in turn more prone to suicide. If the link is indeed true between atheists
and suicide then by connection the link is also true between atheists and heightened
intelligence.
However, I think you are confusing 'statistic' with 'anecdotal evidence'. Just because
you've seen something in your life doesn't make it true.
Firstly, I am not sure about suicide rates within other religious communites. Islam/Hindu
etc are not losing their followers quite as quickly as Christianity though so there may be no
statistics. I'm pointing my example at Ireland, which may have been reknowned as a strict
Catholic country, but these days were gone by the time I was born. I was born very much
into a 'believe what you like' society, and we were the first generation of this. So we never
grew up with the strict kane on our ass approach. Yet it is within MY generation that the
suicide rate has skyrocketed. Not in the one before when the tight catholic control was still
prevalent.
And critcising my observations with the statistic/anecdotal argument is highly hypocritical

considering the assumptions you jumped to in the middle paragraph. I do agree that my
assumptions are NOT statistical, and I dont take them to be. But when I say I've had this
conversation a million times, I'm not even exaggerating that much, so the analogies I have
come to are from years of bad experiences. :p
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now i know why you have such little faith! you have the wrong perception of what
religion and god is about. he never promised us a bed of roses. nothing is perfect in this
world...whether you believe in God or not. but the difference is that i choose to put my
faith into something that has proven to work miracles.
Nothing about God has been proven, so there goes your whole idea on how his miracles
were. :crazy: And what? God never promised us a bed of roses? First of all, roses have
thorns. So the metaphor of bed of roses doesn't make sense with what you're trying to
prove. Second of all, even if your metaphor did make sense, heaven is supposed to be all-
good without any flaws. Ain't it? At least that's what my Sunday school taught me.
Stop digressing and answer my questions!

Ana Jun 4th, 2007 02:48 AM
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I find it funny you decide what God should or shouldnt be, what he should or shouldnt do
considering he made you. He does give you the freedom to belive what you want..no ones
stopping you and yes you will go to hell if you choose to not believe in him.
You're avoiding what I said. I said WHY do we get punished for having different beliefs?
That's far from freedom.
To me it sounds like God is selfish and he wants it to be all about him and if you don't
believe in him it's like you're a terrible person and deserve to burn for eternity. Bull****.
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what is a religion? an idea based on theory that people follow in faith and no actual facts
or proof right? its something a group of people want badly to belive in. Yes? so that is
story of how they think the earth began lol which has amusingly changed its story about
10 times and they add on another million or so years to the earths age every 15 minutes
and then a bunch of guys draw little pictures of aligators turning into humans and
everyone follows it out of sheer beliefe...I mean sounds pretty much the same to me my
dear.
Religion and God are two big excuses created by mankind in ancient times to justify our
lack of knowledge, we certainly needed something to answer our very basic questions (such
as Who created us?, etc)
Evolution is actually the opposite. That's why the more we minimize our lack of knowledge
using science, the more we discard religion.
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what is a religion? an idea based on theory that people follow in faith and no actual facts
or proof right? its something a group of people want badly to belive in. Yes? so that is
story of how they think the earth began lol which has amusingly changed its story about
10 times and they add on another million or so years to the earths age every 15 minutes
and then a bunch of guys draw little pictures of aligators turning into humans and
everyone follows it out of sheer beliefe...I mean sounds pretty much the same to me my
dear.
Unfortunately, Evolution has solid scientific back up to prove it does exists... it's vital for
the survival of the species...
Unlike religion, which has very little ( I don't wanna say zero), scientific back up... even if I
don't get too exceptical and ask for simple facts that could prove the existance of a supreme
being there are not many to name...
Christina believes in God, just so you guys know. Who do you think she'd vote for? Herself
or God?
Christina and God are almost tied!
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:roll:
YOU praying to God to solve you problems and always relying on him shows you
couldn't stand on your own two feet.
Also, my bf just makes it easier and he brings me strength and happiness, he's someone I
can TALK to and he gives me advice.. a REAL person I can rely on. I'd like to see you do
that with your so called God.
:sick: The fact that you have not mentioned your family in any of this indicates a lack of
maturity and understanding. Even if you are an athiest, do you really believe you have the
right to criticise everybody on earth who has religious beliefs? because to me that seems
very narrow minded and ignorant. The first thing one must accept before learning, is to
realise that they dont know very much. Closing your mind to religion is just as stupid and
narrow minded as the bible-belting Christians you are so against. :arrow:
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And critcising my observations with the statistic/anecdotal argument is highly
hypocritical considering the assumptions you jumped to in the middle paragraph. I do
agree that my assumptions are NOT statistical, and I dont take them to be. But when I say
I've had this conversation a million times, I'm not even exaggerating that much, so the
analogies I have come to are from years of bad experiences. :p
How is it hypocritical? What did I say? It's a statistical, psychological fact that more
intelligent people are more prone to mental illness. I then followed your logic of 'atheist =
suicide' to extend it to 'atheist = more likely to be intelligent' by your logic.
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of course it does say in the bible that no one is without hope.
and that makes it true?
organized religion is proof that young kids need to be taught to question authority.
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maturity and understanding. Even if you are an athiest, do you really believe you have
the right to criticise everybody on earth who has religious beliefs? because to me that
seems very narrow minded and ignorant. The first thing one must accept before learning,
is to realise that they dont know very much. Closing your mind to religion is just as stupid
and narrow minded as the bible-belting Christians you are so against. :arrow:
Isnt' that what we all are doing to an extent here? So calling out one person for doing what
everybody (including you), is doing is quite unfair....

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Wrong, actually, :greyno: God, this is sad, I can't believe someone like you would be so
unaware of what the things they believe in actually are.
Evolution is not a religion because people don't follow it, nor do they base their lives on
it, nor do they have practices relate to it, nor do they have morals defined by it. It's a
theory that they believe in. It's no different to, say, believing that somebody is a good
person without having proof, or believing a rumour without proof. It's a belief without
evidence, but it is not a religion. That would be an incredibly narrow interpretation.
Believing a theory without evidence is a faith but it is not a religion. There is a VAST,
VAST difference.
nope not arguing with you. evolution is brain washing students to follow it and question the
true god,and the funny thing is there are soooo many scientific facts disproving it and the
big bang theory.
k you hear of the big bang right? everything was supposedly condenced into a tiny spinning
ball of energy about the size of a period on a page. and it spun faster and faster until the
energy built and it exploded and therefore made our universe. well if thats true then what
about the law of angular momentum? which is in short terms a law that confirmed that if
everything on an object is spinning clockwise than if it breaks apart all the matter attaached
would also be spinning clockwise. well then if the big bang is true and follows the law of
angular momentum then why are some of the planets and moons spinning backwards and
rotating backwards?
what about pangea and how they show you this neat little picture of all of continents in one
thing like a puzzle land mass. what they dont tell you is to get that picture they shrunk
africa at least 40% and left out all of mexico.
what about fossil records...if evolution is supposedly species making newer and nwer and
better species there should be some "mistakes" correct? I mean the point of evolution is to
keep evolving to get a better, stronger, perfect species. well then along the way they had
tohave had some mess ups like something missing a limb it needed oran extra organ or
something. yet all fossil records are of complete forms.
what about the earth supposedly being millions and millions of years old. tell me then why
is the worlds oldest tree, coral reef, lake, and everything else less than 4000 years old? Ill
tell you why because the world was created 6000 years ago and then about 4200 years ago
there was a flood and then it took awhile for everything to get back to growing and living
and thats why the oldest "natural" things around here are less than 4000.
shall i go on cuz I have plenty of more questions for anyone who so eagerly belives in
evolution without question like a religion and id love to hear anyones responses to them

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Unlike religion, which has very little ( I don't wanna say zero), scientific back up... even if
I don't get too exceptical and ask for simple facts that could prove the existance of a
supreme being there are not many to name...
Evolution has actually very little evidence to back its existence. Ive just finished a book on
it actually. The problem is that less than 0.001 percent of all living things will ever be
fossilized. So to document these very few specimens and try to compile them into a
working evolutionary study is almost impossible. I'm certainly not arguing that evolution
exists. But there is alot of gaps in our history that the worlds greatest scientists cannot
understand. Do you know that after all these years of studying early humans and apes, we
still have no idea where we came from, we have yet to find the missing link. :eek:
Ring the alarm! And I'm throwing elbows.
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Nothing about God has been proven, so there goes your whole idea on how his miracles
were. :crazy: And what? God never promised us a bed of roses? First of all, roses have
thorns. So the metaphor of bed of roses doesn't make sense with what you're trying to
prove. Second of all, even if your metaphor did make sense, heaven is supposed to be all-
good without any flaws. Ain't it? At least that's what my Sunday school taught me.
Stop digressing and answer my questions!
heaven is perfect...but we have to work to get there, duh! and proof that god exist is all
around you. when the sun rises in the east and sets in the west everyday, when the leaves
change, when a baby is born...do you think that everything JUST happens?
Ana Jun 4th, 2007 02:59 AM
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maturity and understanding. Even if you are an athiest, do you really believe you have
the right to criticise everybody on earth who has religious beliefs? because to me that
seems very narrow minded and ignorant. The first thing one must accept before learning,
is to realise that they dont know very much. Closing your mind to religion is just as stupid
and narrow minded as the bible-belting Christians you are so against. :arrow:
So because I'm not that close to my family it means I'm immature and stupid? That
definitely makes sense, you know.
I just laugh at how you Christians avoid things that you can't explain. You pretty much
didn't say anything about my whole post, why? because I'm right.
You critize me as much as I critize you so don't give me that BS.
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Evolution has actually very little evidence to back its existence. Ive just finished a book
on it actually. The problem is that less than 0.001 percent of all living things will ever be
fossilized. So to document these very few specimens and try to compile them into a
working evolutionary study is almost impossible. I'm certainly not arguing that evolution
exists. But there is alot of gaps in our history that the worlds greatest scientists cannot
understand. Do you know that after all these years of studying early humans and apes,
we still have no idea where we came from, we have yet to find the missing link. :eek:
And there is where god comes in for many people... Not god per se but religion itself... It's
just a way to try to explain what we can't understand yet....
Like on the ancient times, there was a god for every natural disaster (From rain to sun),
because they could not understand why they were there..
In a few centuries, people will look back at this era and say "Goddamnd primitives making
a god to explain the things their primitive science could not understand"..... It's been done
before... Difference is, everything is getting smaller these days (phones, discs, etc), hence,
now instead of many gods each culture has one :)
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How is it hypocritical? What did I say? It's a statistical, psychological fact that more
intelligent people are more prone to mental illness. I then followed your logic of 'atheist
= suicide' to extend it to 'atheist = more likely to be intelligent' by your logic.
I'm not sure if I was saying atheist=suicide although it is an interesting question. The thing
is I find that athiests are people make the decision not to follow religion. I'm not sure if all
people can be classified into athiest or believer. There is certainly a grey area there.
Interesting observation though.
And I have not heard that it is a statistic that intelligent people are more likely to suffer
mental illness. But now that you mention it my life experiences and people I have met
certainly add to agree with that. I once again making an assumption. Its ironic right? ;)
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And there is where god comes in for many people... Not god per se but religion itself... It's
just a way to try to explain what we can't understand yet....
Like on the ancient times, there was a god for every natural disaster (From rain to sun),
because they could not understand why they were there..
In a few centuries, people will look back at this era and say "Goddamnd primitives
making a god to explain the things their primitive science could not understand"..... It's
been done before... Difference is, everything is getting smaller these days (phones, discs,
etc), hence, now instead of many gods each culture has one :)
isnt that already happening? Anyhow if you believe your little science books you might
argue that we wont actually be here in a few centuries. Scientific observations point to us as
the next big extinction. We may never get our God answer. :o
this is pointless...yea...imma believer. but if you choose to live a faithless life, then so be it.
call me whatever you like...but at the end of the day i am confident that what i believe is
gonna take me a long ways. and i'm sure all of you feel the same way.
Ana Jun 4th, 2007 03:04 AM
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argue that we wont actually be here in a few centuries. Scientific observations point to us
as the next big extinction. We may never get our God answer. :o
Wouldn't God prevent the death of all of us because he supposedly loves us so much? Why
would he let innnocent people die?
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So because I'm not that close to my family it means I'm immature and stupid? That
definitely makes sense, you know.
I just laugh at how you Christians avoid things that you can't explain. You pretty much
didn't say anything about my whole post, why? because I'm right.
You critize me as much as I critize you so don't give me that BS.
Honestly, I am somewhat playing devils advocate here. Except in this case its Gods
advocate ;)
You made some good points earlier, about the holes in the God theory and I applaud you
for using your mind on that one. I just dont understand how you can blatantly shut out any
belief beyond the 'here and now' without question. Yes its important to question if there is a
God, but shouldnt you also question the contrary?
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Why would he let innnocent people die?
Because they've earned the right to start enjoying Heaven earlier than the rest of us. ;)
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argue that we wont actually be here in a few centuries. Scientific observations point to us
as the next big extinction. We may never get our God answer. :o
I know, it's depressing :o
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amen to that....
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You're avoiding what I said. I said WHY do we get punished for having different beliefs?
That's far from freedom.
To me it sounds like God is selfish and he wants it to be all about him and if you don't
believe in him it's like you're a terrible person and deserve to burn for eternity. Bull****.
Ok Im sorry i understand the question now. although I must remind everyone here I do not
know godsplan for everyone and none of us can even imagine the power he has or what the
purpose of this world and life is. But if you want my opinion on this I will give it to you.
When God created the world everything was at peace. shall we say ignorance is bliss?
because adam and eve did not know the truth of good and evil. they had no knowledge of
the difference until they ate of the fruit. It wasnt until man took the advice of satan that
obviously god is trying to keep him out of loop...that he should eat of the fruit and therefore
in theiry be as wise as God himself. so it was then when man took it upon himself to think
hes knows better than God that sin was introduced. from thereon out everything with God
was about sacrifice and being holy and repent and repent and ect ect ect. But then he loved
us soo much that he sent jesus to die for our sins, to be the ultimate sacrifice. He gave us
the freedom to choose. Now there are pros and cons to each side and thats what you are
missing here. See I lead my life as a christian. But I dont have the luxery you guys have to
just say "to hell with God, its my life i do what I want" dont you think i want to sometimes?
Dont you think its hard living in a world where basically everything thats appealing to the
flesh (sex greed material objects, idolization, filth and violence) are all sins. It is hard living
in this world as christian. Because the holy spirit is in my heart I have that conviction when
i sin, when I lust. and in turn I have to live this life as best as i can to show god how much i
love him. it isnt rainbows and kittens let me tell ya. but in the end he has been so great to
me and my mother and my child that I cant possibly turn my back on that. Not when I know
how much he loves me. God I wish I could tell you. I mean I am litterally sitting here
crying because I wish i cud make your mind grasp it. I know it doesnt make sense to you
and thats whats sad. God if you could feel it. when he spoke to me. ...
It was like...before then the only thing I was sorry about was getting myself pregnant
inbetween boyfriends and not being sure who the father of my baby was. I was sorry I got
pregnant and has to endure all the usual discomfort of pregnancy but on top of that toximia
which swelled my hands and wrists until I had carpel tunnel and I had to wear braces to
sleep without terrible pain and to go through all that alone? I wanted the white picket fence,
I wanted the husband, I wanted control of my life and tore me up for about 7 months before
I finally submitted it to God. and when he spoke to me. It was like for the first time I was so
sorry I had lived a life of sin, I felt his love, his heart ache for me, I felt his arms wrapped
around me like a father does his child. of course he was sad that I had sinned and got
myself into that mess, but more so he still loved me. I will NEVER ever feel alove like that
again. and that day I cried in the presence of the holy spirit...just bawled and bawled
because of the emense power of it. and I went to sleep that night without my wrist braces on
and never needed them again. theres healing in him you know? I could feel it. and it
saddens me to know that this confession meant to touch your hearts will only cause more
laughter and mean comments. but I dont care. I love God and I only wish you could too.
Ana Jun 4th, 2007 03:08 AM
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Honestly, I am somewhat playing devils advocate here. Except in this case its Gods
advocate ;)
You made some good points earlier, about the holes in the God theory and I applaud you
for using your mind on that one. I just dont understand how you can blatantly shut out
any belief beyond the 'here and now' without question. Yes its important to question if
there is a God, but shouldnt you also question the contrary?
I can't believe in something that has absolutely no evidence except a book, atleast Science
can back up some of its facts.
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heaven is perfect...but we have to work to get there, duh! and proof that god exist is all
around you. when the sun rises in the east and sets in the west everyday, when the leaves
change, when a baby is born...do you think that everything JUST happens?
Um, what? ROTF :roll:

The sun rises in the east because our planet rotates and orbits in certain positions and
angles. And it sets in the west because, once again, Earth rotates and orbits. The leaves
change because, once again, Earth rotates and orbits. And how do these planets do this?
Because of physics and pressure, not because some hairy dude up in heaven is moving them
around with his magical powers.
And a baby is born through reproduction. The meeting of a sperm and an egg, not because
God is a pervert and wants to stick his nose into other people's wombs and create babies.
Kthx.
Ana Jun 4th, 2007 03:09 AM
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Please tell me you're joking..
Ana Jun 4th, 2007 03:09 AM
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Because of physics and pressure, not because some hairy dude up in heaven is moving
them around with his magical powers.
And a baby is born through reproduction. The meeting of a sperm and an egg, not
because God is a pervert and wants to stick his nose into other people's wombs and
create babies.
Kthx.
ROFL!! :roll::roll:
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Wouldn't God prevent the death of all of us because he supposedly loves us so much?
Why would he let innnocent people die?
:D Honey, I'm glad you are waking up. My personal beliefs are actually quite complication.
I argued for Catholicism earlier in the thread but really I was lying. :o
I do stand my ground as believing in more than the here and now though. There is so much
in science that we cannot understand. How twins can communicate to each other from the
opposite sides of the earth. How kids can be born remembering things from the past that
there is no way they could ever have known. I applaud your asking questions, if you keep it
up you may final break free of your religion-hating prison. :nod:
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Unlike religion, which has very little ( I don't wanna say zero), scientific back up... even if
I don't get too exceptical and ask for simple facts that could prove the existance of a
supreme being there are not many to name...
please explain to me which part of the evolution theory is a scientific backup...is it the little
pictures guys drew of apes becoming man or the person telling you the earth is millions of
years old when carbon dating has been proved faulty? or is it something else I missed
because I belive I pointed out many factors that disprove evolution so please indulge me on
exactly what the hard core evidence behind evolution is.
Ana Jun 4th, 2007 03:12 AM
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Ok Im sorry i understand the question now. although I must remind everyone here I do
not know godsplan for everyone and none of us can even imagine the power he has or
what the purpose of this world and life is. But if you want my opinion on this I will give it
to you. When God created the world everything was at peace. shall we say ignorance is
bliss? because adam and eve did not know the truth of good and evil. they had no
knowledge of the difference until they ate of the fruit. It wasnt until man took the advice
of satan that obviously god is trying to keep him out of loop...that he should eat of the
fruit and therefore in theiry be as wise as God himself. so it was then when man took it
upon himself to think hes knows better than God that sin was introduced. from thereon
out everything with God was about sacrifice and being holy and repent and repent and
ect ect ect. But then he loved us soo much that he sent jesus to die for our sins, to be the
ultimate sacrifice. He gave us the freedom to choose. Now there are pros and cons to
each side and thats what you are missing here. See I lead my life as a christian. But I
dont have the luxery you guys have to just say "to hell with God, its my life i do what I
want" dont you think i want to sometimes? Dont you think its hard living in a world
where basically everything thats appealing to the flesh (sex greed material objects,
idolization, filth and violence) are all sins. It is hard living in this world as christian.
Because the holy spirit is in my heart I have that conviction when i sin, when I lust. and
in turn I have to live this life as best as i can to show god how much i love him. it isnt
rainbows and kittens let me tell ya. but in the end he has been so great to me and my
mother and my child that I cant possibly turn my back on that. Not when I know how
much he loves me. God I wish I could tell you. I mean I am litterally sitting here crying
because I wish i cud make your mind grasp it. I know it doesnt make sense to you and
thats whats sad. God if you could feel it. when he spoke to me. ...
It was like...before then the only thing I was sorry about was getting myself pregnant
inbetween boyfriends and not being sure who the father of my baby was. I was sorry I got
pregnant and has to endure all the usual discomfort of pregnancy but on top of that
toximia which swelled my hands and wrists until I had carpel tunnel and I had to wear
braces to sleep without terrible pain and to go through all that alone? I wanted the white
picket fence, I wanted the husband, I wanted control of my life and tore me up for about 7
months before I finally submitted it to God. and when he spoke to me. It was like for the
first time I was so sorry I had lived a life of sin, I felt his love, his heart ache for me, I felt
his arms wrapped around me like a father does his child. of course he was sad that I had
sinned and got myself into that mess, but more so he still loved me. I will NEVER ever
feel alove like that again. and that day I cried in the presence of the holy spirit...just
bawled and bawled because of the emense power of it. and I went to sleep that night
without my wrist braces on and never needed them again. theres healing in him you
know? I could feel it. and it saddens me to know that this confession meant to touch your
hearts will only cause more laughter and mean comments. but I dont care. I love God and
I only wish you could too.
Actually... that did touch my heart.
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I can't believe in something that has absolutely no evidence except a book, atleast Science
can back up some of its facts.
what facts? please share.
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Actually... that did touch my heart.
k well good hopefully no one will tear me a new one for it. lol
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Because of physics and pressure, not because some hairy dude up in heaven is moving
them around with his magical powers.
And a baby is born through reproduction. The meeting of a sperm and an egg, not
because God is a pervert and wants to stick his nose into other people's wombs and
create babies.
Kthx.
so, who created physics, reproduction, sperm, eggs, the orbits, rotations, etc? i know it
wasn't you....but you'll probably take credit for it since you can handle any and everything
by yourself...
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nope not arguing with you. evolution is brain washing students to follow it and question
the true god,and the funny thing is there are soooo many scientific facts disproving it and
the big bang theory.
Evolution is not brainwashing. It's a theory based on real proof which explains the origin of
life, it fails sometimes as every other theory but it's currently developing. You can't expect
a group of scientists to write an essay about life without making a mistake.
On the other hand, religion is brainwashing. As I said before it's just an excuse to justify
our lack of knowledge, that's why it offers no answers at all; it even frames you as a sinner
for asking questions, alleging that the only answer is 'faith'.
Let alone that it turned into a huge business in past ages, where the church used it to
threaten people (by talking about divine punishment and other ****) to make them act in a
specific way (which was hardly related to your so-called God, but to personal interests).
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better species there should be some "mistakes" correct? I mean the point of evolution is
to keep evolving to get a better, stronger, perfect species. well then along the way they
had tohave had some mess ups like something missing a limb it needed oran extra organ
or something. yet all fossil records are of complete forms.
You can't have a specie missing organs to prove that it evolved :nc: I have no words for
that.
Evolution is mainly about performance, creating individuals much better adapted to their
environment, with new abilities, not developing extra hearts or extra legs :roll:
I would spend nights talking about this but it seems pointless since you're really attached to
your own theory.
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what about the earth supposedly being millions and millions of years old. tell me then
why is the worlds oldest tree, coral reef, lake, and everything else less than 4000 years
old? Ill tell you why because the world was created 6000 years ago and then about 4200
years ago there was a flood and then it took awhile for everything to get back to growing
and living and thats why the oldest "natural" things around here are less than 4000.
We have fossils 55 million years old, and much older too. Harry Potter is much more
entertaining than Noah.
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That's the point. Evolution tries to answer those questions, religion doesn't and never will
(because they have no answer to any question).
You can find as much mistakes as you want in evolution, but you'll never find something
more ridiculous than God, period.
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so, who created physics, reproduction, sperm, eggs, the orbits, rotations, etc? i know it
wasn't you....but you'll probably take credit for it since you can handle any and
everything by yourself...
Stop assuming things.
God certainly didn't create them either. Because it's impossible for something that does not
exist to make something that does exist.
Are you telling me that God made atoms? And he made sure each atom had a certain
number of protons? And a specific number of electrons to match every single element that
has since the beginning of time been discovered?
Are you telling me that one God made carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, aluminum, phosphate,
methane, ethane, phosphorous, iron, and made sure each element had a specific number of
valence electrons. And he had the nerve to make oxidation numbers for specific monatomic
ions?
And I'm sure he made Physics. I'm sure he made hundreds of formulas and I'm also positive
that he made expressions for constants. How did he pick those constants? Drew random
numbers out of a hat?
I refuse to believe God exists when there is Chemistry and Physics that make me wonder if
he could've made all of that **** up.
And as far as your, "but you'll probably take credit for it since you can handle any and
everything by yourself..." goes... God can take credit for it? Why? Because he refuses to
show his face to the whole world, and thus, that makes him the creator of all? What?
Because some book written by people told you so?
Go read "Animal Farm." That books tells me pigs can talk. And Mr O could've easily said
that God told him to write that book. Would you believe that book then?
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Please tell me you're joking..
You don't expect anyone to really think that, do you? :manson:
so where are all the facts? i keep asking ppl and no one answers. where are the remains of
missing link between species I mean it is the evolution theory that we started as a small
pinprick that exploded...or wait then they changed it to we came from nothing exploding
lol. I cant be sure and then everything was molten lava which hardened into rock and it
rained and rained for millions of years which made some big cosmic soup and then a bunch
of one cells organizesms came about and they evolved to fish which evolved to reptiles and
then birds and beasts and money and eventually man...where are all the missing links?
where is all the proof.
lmao oh heres my fav one. ok I asked someone why have we never seena cat give birth to a
non cat? or a bird give birth to a non bird...when is a new evolution gonna take place? and
they they say oh it takes millions and millions of years...well doesnt the text books say the
earth is millions and millions of years old? youd think by now wed see some proof of
anything besides micro evolution. lol it seems to me my beliefe is that dogs come from
dogs and yours is dogs come from rocks. sorry it I dont find that theory more credible.
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please explain to me which part of the evolution theory is a scientific backup...is it the
little pictures guys drew of apes becoming man or the person telling you the earth is
millions of years old when carbon dating has been proved faulty? or is it something else I
missed because I belive I pointed out many factors that disprove evolution so please
indulge me on exactly what the hard core evidence behind evolution is.
Evolutionary evidence is hard to comeby unfortunately. Its becase so few living things ever
make it to fossilization. And so much fewer are/or will be ever found. Continents shift, seas
rise, mountains become deserts, so much is lost. All we can do is take what we can get. We
have various specimens of early humanoid type creatures but we have never found the one
species that might have turned into us. Actually, it sounds very racist but supposedly the
aboriginies in Australia date back to a different species of human. I read this, but I am very
sceptical about the evidence. :o
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so where are all the facts? i keep asking ppl and no one answers.
if we're scientists, or people who can just draw upon these facts on demand, we wouldn't be
here. please, lower your expectations.
:crazy: at this thread
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Stop assuming things.
God certainly didn't create them either. Because it's impossible for something that does
not exist to make something that does exist.
Are you telling me that God made atoms? And he made sure each atom had a certain
number of protons? And a specific number of electrons to match every single element that
has since the beginning of time been discovered?
Are you telling me that one God made carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, aluminum, phosphate,
methane, ethane, phosphorous, iron, and made sure each element had a specific number
of valence electrons. And he had the nerve to make oxidation numbers for specific
monatomic ions?
And I'm sure he made Physics. I'm sure he made hundreds of formulas and I'm also
positive that he made expressions for constants. How did he pick those constants? Drew
random numbers out of a hat?
I refuse to believe God exists when there is Chemistry and Physics that make me wonder
if he could've made all of that **** up.
And as far as your, "but you'll probably take credit for it since you can handle any and
everything by yourself..." goes... God can take credit for it? Why? Because he refuses to
show his face to the whole world, and thus, that makes him the creator of all? What?
Because some book written by people told you so?
Go read "Animal Farm." That books tells me pigs can talk. And Mr O could've easily said
that God told him to write that book. Would you believe that book then?
if he didn't....then who did. your whole little essay did nothintg but state excuses as to why
YOU believe god doesn't exist...

better species there should be some "mistakes" correct? I mean the point of evolution is to
keep evolving to get a better, stronger, perfect species. well then along the way they had
tohave had some mess ups like something missing a limb it needed oran extra organ or
something. yet all fossil records are of complete forms.
^^ Honey, you need to read up on this ASAP. There is LOADS of evidence of flawed
species that went extinct early on in their existence. We are here by a matter of trial and
error flukes. And for this there IS scientific evidence.
Wait... how did I manage to switch sides :scratch:

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Evolution is not brainwashing. It's a theory based on real proof which explains the origin
of life, it fails sometimes as every other theory but it's currently developing. You can't
expect a group of scientists to write an essay about life without making a mistake.
On the other hand, religion is brainwashing. As I said before it's just an excuse to justify
our lack of knowledge, that's why it offers no answers at all; it even frames you as a
sinner for asking questions, alleging that the only answer is 'faith'.
Let alone that it turned into a huge business in past ages, where the church used it to
threaten people (by talking about divine punishment and other ****) to make them act in
a specific way (which was hardly related to your so-called God, but to personal
interests).
You can't have a specie missing organs to prove that it evolved :nc: I have no words for
that.
Evolution is mainly about performance, creating individuals much better adapted to their
environment, with new abilities, not developing extra hearts or extra legs :roll:
I would spend nights talking about this but it seems pointless since you're really attached
to your own theory.
We have fossils 55 million years old, and much older too. Harry Potter is much more
entertaining than Noah.
That's the point. Evolution tries to answer those questions, religion doesn't and never will
(because they have no answer to any question).
You can find as much mistakes as you want in evolution, but you'll never find something
more ridiculous than God, period.
and religion does answer it.
says in the bible, in the begining God made the world. he made male and female, there was
no sin before adam that all die after adam. so therefore if there was no death then there was
also nothing that existed before adam. no dinosuars no big bang no nothing. according to
the bible time line the earth was created a little over 6000 years ago. adam and eve had sex
and then brothers had to have sex with sisters and they made the population. then the rest of
the story is as follows. the only difference is..our theory never changes.
actually, off the top of my head, comparative embryology is something you should read on
if you want more possible evolution evidence.
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nope not arguing with you. evolution is brain washing students to follow it and question
the true god,and the funny thing is there are soooo many scientific facts disproving it and
the big bang theory.
You are so ****ing ignorant it's unbelievable. You don't even know what a religion is!
HOW DARE YOU question us when you don't even understand that yourself? I find it so
so sad that someone can act the way you do, yet when it comes down to it, the things you
say defy basic fact. It's a FACT that evolution is not and does not resemble a religion.
Likewise, I find it insulting that a fundie can bitch about other people being brainwashed.
Many fundie Christians find it hard to think for themselves because they're so used to doing
what they're told and believing what they've been conditioned to believe.
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so where are all the facts? i keep asking ppl and no one answers. .where are all the
missing links? where is all the proof.
Where is God?
I mean other than your heart or phonebook.
who cares what the bible says just because some book says it doesnt mean its real
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says in the bible, in the begining God made the world. he made male and female, there
was no sin before adam that all die after adam. so therefore if there was no death then
there was also nothing that existed before adam. no dinosuars no big bang no nothing.
according to the bible time line the earth was created a little over 6000 years ago. adam
and eve had sex and then brothers had to have sex with sisters and they made the
population. then the rest of the story is as follows. the only difference is..our theory never
changes.
yeah well your theory sucks because if you go by the bible's timeline, humans and
dinosaurs coexisted at the same time.
I never understood the 'There's no proof, therefore it must be god' argument. The absence of
proof of other options is not proof of god.
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changes.
deaderation:roll:
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if we're scientists, or people who can just draw upon these facts on demand, we wouldn't
be here. please, lower your expectations.
lmao thats the thing. I dont expect anyone here to know the answers. Im trying to prove
apoint, a few people around here seem to think they dont follow their science and evolution
blindly. theyd hate to think their theory is just as religion as creation. theyd hate to realize
that everything they run around believing is all taken by faith. no questions, no challenges.
so Im just asking them..if they are so certain of these theories...tell me the facts they have to
back it up. otherwise dont slam my religion just because mine came from the bible and
yours a text book. Its no different. a scientist getting up and telling all the people a story
about the big bang and evolution is no different from a preacher telling the congregation
about creation. your text book diagrams of how ape became man are no different then a
childrens bible book with pictures. Im simply trying to make a point by asking for facts I
know no one can supply me with
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changes.
are you serious?????

I grew up in a Catholic family and even my parents told me Adam and Eve story is BS.
Nobody believes this anymore outside of Baptist/lunacy middle America. :crazy:
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yeah well your theory sucks because if you go by the bible's timeline, humans and
dinosaurs coexisted at the same time.
yah they did. there is fossil records to prove it.

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if he didn't....then who did. your whole little essay did nothintg but state excuses as to why
YOU believe god doesn't exist...
Nice cop-out. Calling it a "whole little essay" and saying it did "nothintg" just because you
can't answer the damn question. Once again, stop digressing.
And what if I'm stating excuses as to why I believe God doesn't exist? I'm not going to sit
here and explain to you why YOU believe God exists. My job is to state my opinions, not
yours.
It seems as if your whole thought is that, "Oh, if there's no one else coming up to the plate
and claiming that they created something, God must've created something." If I told you
right now that Britney Aguilera created it all, you wouldn't believe me.
And why not?
I'm pointing to a nonexistant figure for creating all of us. Isn't that what you're doing? I'll
write a book on this Britney Aguilera. Then would you believe me? What if I include a few
commandments? And separate the world into divisions in which those who want the good
must follow MY own beliefs? Of course, then you'd believe me, right?
Since that's what God and Christianity does. :crazy:
I don't know who made it. But all I know is that it's impossible for God to have made it.
Maybe it all started with one atom that split into two.. and trillians and googles amount of
milleniums later, here we are.
Yeah, yeah, "But then where did that atom come from?" is what you're probably going to
ask me. Well, then, where did God come from? God couldn't have possibly created himself.
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are you serious?????
I grew up in a Catholic family and even my parents told me Adam and Eve story is BS.
Nobody believes this anymore outside of Baptist/lunacy middle America. :crazy:
Im serious. and no offense because Im not judging different denominations but I am not
catholic nor do i agree with all their thoughts. I follow the bible...the word of God thats it.
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yah they did. there is fossil records to prove it.
:roll: :funny: :music: :kiss:

Oh sweetie, I like you. But really. :eek: I dont even konw what to say. :manson: :funny:
:roll:
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I never understood the 'There's no proof, therefore it must be god' argument. The absence
of proof of other options is not proof of god.
never said it was proof of god but again Ill repeat myself...which do I personally find more
believable? dogs came from dogs or dogs came from rocks...hmm Ill go with dogs came
from dogs.
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Im simply trying to make a point by asking for facts I know no one can supply me with
Give me sold scientific facts (not assumptions, or conclusions. Verifiable data) to state that
God is real. It works both ways. You don't get to demand complex facts from us (you know,
we're not all phd level physicists, every atheist in the world doesn't know complex
mathematical solutions) then simply give us the response of 'well god exists because I think
he does'.
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never said it was proof of god but again Ill repeat myself...which do I personally find
more believable? dogs came from dogs or dogs came from rocks...hmm Ill go with dogs
came from dogs.
You lost me :crazy: I missed the part where we were talking about dog breeding.
Which do I personally find more believable? Hairy man produced dogs from random air?
Or dogs changed progressively as time went by through evolution, environmental changes,
and regional differences?
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You are so ****ing ignorant it's unbelievable. You don't even know what a religion is!
HOW DARE YOU question us when you don't even understand that yourself? I find it so
so sad that someone can act the way you do, yet when it comes down to it, the things you
say defy basic fact. It's a FACT that evolution is not and does not resemble a religion.
Likewise, I find it insulting that a fundie can bitch about other people being
brainwashed. Many fundie Christians find it hard to think for themselves because they're
so used to doing what they're told and believing what they've been conditioned to believe.
you really need to look into some therapy for this anger issue. maybe they can prescribe
something. otherwise I have a simple solution to your frustration with me and my
opinions...try ignoring them. I know its hard to break the obsession but I dunno get a doctor
or something. Im really concerned that you are getting so serious about this. afterall its an
open forum and I can share my thoughts as much as I like. theres no need for bad language
and all that
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opinions...try ignoring them. I know its hard to break the obsession but I dunno get a
doctor or something. Im really concerned that you are getting so serious about this.
afterall its an open forum and I can share my thoughts as much as I like. theres no need
for bad language and all that
I've never known anyone with a personality quite so admittedly patronising as yours, I'm
quite glad god stays out of my friends' lives. I don't need therapy, but what I do need is for
you to stop being so patronising and stop keeping up this ludicrous pretense of me being
obsessed with you. I replied to this thread MORE than I do now before you started spewing
your delusions.
Oh My God :blueeek:
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Oh My God :blueeek:
:roll: :funny: I KNOW! :manson: :crazy:
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Give me sold scientific facts (not assumptions, or conclusions. Verifiable data) to state
that God is real. It works both ways. You don't get to demand complex facts from us (you
know, we're not all phd level physicists, every atheist in the world doesn't know complex
mathematical solutions) then simply give us the response of 'well god exists because I
think he does'.
oh my sweet serenity. please go back and point out where I ever said that I had scientific
fact that God was real. please show me because I never did. I fully admit 110% that I have
no scientific fact for my religion just as you have no scientific fact for the evolution theory.
I am not a fake person I put it out on the table. and I would never say I have something
when I dont. I am merely pointing out that I think its important people question what they
are being taught and told. Just because you tack the world:science on something doesnt
make it true. real science is the study of things that can be researched, proven and solidied
by scientific laws or facts. not some half cocked theory about the world coming from an
explosion of nothing.
this debate is so pointless it's not even funny. stripperella, go search for comparative
embryology, comparative anatomy, paleontology research (fossil records/scientific
timeline), how MACRO (not micro) evolution works.. if you really wanna know more
about evolution. clearly, you know nothing about it besides what you've heard or think you
heard.
i have no interest in enlightening you, or anyone else here further because this is such a
waste of time and i'm feeling more and more retarded as i reply. go out and eat some frozen
yogurt! enjoy life!
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opinions...try ignoring them. I know its hard to break the obsession but I dunno get a
doctor or something. Im really concerned that you are getting so serious about this.
afterall its an open forum and I can share my thoughts as much as I like. theres no need
for bad language and all that
Why? Because she's a smart girl who's slapping your face using your own bible? lmfao.
Unfortunately for you they don't prescribe common sense.
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I never understood the 'There's no proof, therefore it must be god' argument. The absence
of proof of other options is not proof of god.
I see what you mean.
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oh my sweet serenity. please go back and point out where I ever said that I had scientific
fact that God was real. please show me because I never did. I fully admit 110% that I
have no scientific fact for my religion just as you have no scientific fact for the evolution
theory. I am not a fake person I put it out on the table. and I would never say I have
something when I dont. I am merely pointing out that I think its important people
question what they are being taught and told. Just because you tack the world:science on
something doesnt make it true. real science is the study of things that can be researched,
proven and solidied by scientific laws or facts. not some half cocked theory about the
world coming from an explosion of nothing.
The whole point of being an atheist is that you question what you're told :crazy: We'd all be
Christians if we didn't.
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lmao thats the thing. I dont expect anyone here to know the answers. Im trying to prove
apoint, a few people around here seem to think they dont follow their science and
evolution blindly. theyd hate to think their theory is just as religion as creation. theyd
hate to realize that everything they run around believing is all taken by faith. no
questions, no challenges. so Im just asking them..if they are so certain of these
theories...tell me the facts they have to back it up. otherwise dont slam my religion just
because mine came from the bible and yours a text book. Its no different. a scientist
getting up and telling all the people a story about the big bang and evolution is no
different from a preacher telling the congregation about creation. your text book
diagrams of how ape became man are no different then a childrens bible book with
pictures. Im simply trying to make a point by asking for facts I know no one can supply
me with
LMAO :roll: Ok, then I am asking you to introduce me to god ASAP.. But only if you can..
But if you're gonna come to me with the "pray or look witihin you" crap don't waste my
time...
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Which do I personally find more believable? Hairy man produced dogs from random air?
Or dogs changed progressively as time went by through evolution, environmental
changes, and regional differences?
but in the beginin according to evolution it was all a cosmic soup of rocks and water and
crap..which formed single cell orgs and stuff. so yah I belive that god created the world and
all the animals in it and those animals can make other animals within their species but I
dont belive that everything came from a an accident.
IMO,
Science >>>>>>> God
At least it proves things.
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Why? Because she's a smart girl who's slapping your face using your own bible? lmfao.
Unfortunately for you they don't prescribe common sense.
slapping my face? not really. she has some anger issues and I hope she solves them. of the
two of us shes the one on a ranting spree. Im simply discussing my thoughts with you fine
people.
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:roll: :funny: I KNOW! :manson: :crazy:
I whish I would have been one of those humans who co-existed withs dinasours, I have a
thing for them.... and still manage to procreate and survive being hunt by a T-Rex :redmad:
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slapping my face? not really. she has some anger issues and I hope she solves them. of
the two of us shes the one on a ranting spree. Im simply discussing my thoughts with you
fine people.
POW! :funny:
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Nice cop-out. Calling it a "whole little essay" and saying it did "nothintg" just because
you can't answer the damn question. Once again, stop digressing.
And what if I'm stating excuses as to why I believe God doesn't exist? I'm not going to sit
here and explain to you why YOU believe God exists. My job is to state my opinions, not
yours.
It seems as if your whole thought is that, "Oh, if there's no one else coming up to the plate
and claiming that they created something, God must've created something." If I told you
right now that Britney Aguilera created it all, you wouldn't believe me.
And why not?
I'm pointing to a nonexistant figure for creating all of us. Isn't that what you're doing? I'll
write a book on this Britney Aguilera. Then would you believe me? What if I include a
few commandments? And separate the world into divisions in which those who want the
good must follow MY own beliefs? Of course, then you'd believe me, right?
Since that's what God and Christianity does. :crazy:
I don't know who made it. But all I know is that it's impossible for God to have made it.
Maybe it all started with one atom that split into two.. and trillians and googles amount
of milleniums later, here we are.
Yeah, yeah, "But then where did that atom come from?" is what you're probably going to
ask me. Well, then, where did God come from? God couldn't have possibly created
himself.
so i take it that you're not a christian, huh?
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fine people.
You're just as fine as all of us my holy dear.... Godspeed!
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LMAO :roll: Ok, then I am asking you to introduce me to god ASAP.. But only if you
can.. But if you're gonna come to me with the "pray or look witihin you" crap don't waste
my time...
Introduce you? like how. you want me to talk privatly withyou about this matter more? you
want me to tell you about the love of jesus and let you decide what you think? you must
elaborate on that.
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I whish I would have been one of those humans who co-existed withs dinasours, I have a
thing for them.... and still manage to procreate and survive being hunt by a T-Rex
:redmad:
:funny: OMG I loved Jurassic Park! And the Raptors :eek:

this thread has seriously made my day!@ :roll: :funny:
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I don't believe in a God.
Do I need to make any more obvious?
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And you have a problem with that?
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Originally Posted by D i R r t y x X
IMO,
Science >>>>>>> God
At least it proves things.
why does everything have to be proven? ppl are gonna drive themselves crazy by trying to
figure everything out...
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Introduce you? like how. you want me to talk privatly withyou about this matter more?
you want me to tell you about the love of jesus and let you decide what you think? you
must elaborate on that.
Can you set an appointment with him for me here in the local cafe? They have really good
mocha cappuccinos, and I'd like to treat my Creator to all the goods here in California.
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And you have a problem with that?
if you like it, i love it
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Introduce you? like how. you want me to talk privatly withyou about this matter more?
you want me to tell you about the love of jesus and let you decide what you think? you
must elaborate on that.
A nice and simple shake of hands would do.. Is that especific enough?
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why does everything have to be proven? ppl are gonna drive themselves crazy by trying
to figure everything out...
exactly. the shame of it is...people just buy into whatever garbage science books feed them
because it has the world science on it.
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fine people.
When you openly admitted that you try to provoke me and that you are frequently
deliberately patronising towards me, how do you expect me to ignore that and play nice?
:crazy: Me getting annoyed at that is no more of an 'issue' than you being patronising. I find
the things you say incredibly ignorant, because in MULTIPLE cases in this thread you have
been 100% factually wrong yet you base your extreme beliefs upon them.
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:funny: OMG I loved Jurassic Park! And the Raptors :eek:
this thread has seriously made my day!@ :roll: :funny:
I know!!! I find it wierd that on the movie they didn't make the dinasours go all like "Ugh,
you again annoying apes?"
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*stares at your avatar*
Hmmmm... *has dirty thoughts*
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I know!!! I find it wierd that on the movie they didn't make the dinasours go all like "Ugh,
you again annoying apes?"
Looool. If it were a real park I would totally pay 10,000 dollars to go. Like in a
heartbeat! :eek:
I even went to Costa Rica to get the feel of the movei :noway: :o
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exactly. the shame of it is...people just buy into whatever garbage science books feed
them because it has the world science on it.
Just as some pople fall into the garbage from the bible... Worse thing for you is, the garbage
on those science books is by far more reliable and credible than any word written on the
bible
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at least you understand where i'm comin from :music:
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why does everything have to be proven? ppl are gonna drive themselves crazy by trying
to figure everything out...
Because people need to feel closure. A lot of people just don't accept that things just happy
magically. Human beings were made to think and figure out things. I think we'd drive
ourselves crazy if we DIDN'T try to figure out things. We have a quest for knowledge and
an understanding of the things around us.
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Looool. If it were a real park I would totally pay 10,000 dollars to go. Like in a
heartbeat! :eek:
I even went to Costa Rica to get the feel of the movei :noway: :o
Rich people :o :p I would paid them too, even if I knew I was gonna be eaten after seeing a
T-Rex..
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*stares at your avatar*
Hmmmm... *has dirty thoughts*
:blueeek: You sinner..
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Well, we feel the same way about Christians. They give you crap and you feed on it.
At least Science is real.
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Because people need to feel closure. A lot of people just don't accept that things just
happy magically. Human beings were made to think and figure out things. I think we'd
drive ourselves crazy if we DIDN'T try to figure out things. We have a quest for
knowledge and an understanding of the things around us.
Do not generalize my fine Jess!
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Just as some pople fall into the garbage from the bible... Worse thing for you is, the
garbage on those science books is by far more reliable and credible than any word
written on the bible
Holla! holla! Holla!
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you wanna shake hands with God? I havnt even done that. Im not sure anyone can. But you
can walk closely with him. I am not saying its easy. I will level with you. Believing in God
takes faith, takes love and an honest will to make him proud. I mess up all the time. I
struggle with things all the time. Ive evn asked God for things I know I should have like for
a man I like to call me back when I know all it will lead to is sex. I tell God Im sorry about
things that Im not even ready to give up yet and I feel horrible about it. and being a
christian isnt easy...i mean look at what all Ive endured here. tough room if you ask me lol.
and sure it would be easier for me to keep my mouth shut or go with the crowd and say
forget you god Im gonna do what i want...but I did that already and u know where it got
me? no where. I ended up poor, pregnant to unsure father, no furniture no car, my only
friends party animal drug addicts that i couldnt trust further than i could throw them. and
you know what he said to me...he said "I want you to be yourself, but I want you to live a
better life" and I said ok God and now things are so much better. and when I see my mom
who was supposed to die of 5th cancer and when i see my beautiful blessing of a baby boy I
thank god everyday. and having that love and friendship with the lord is sooo worth it.

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Do not generalize my fine Jess!
LOL
What do you mean?
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you wanna shake hands with God? I havnt even done that. Im not sure anyone can. But
you can walk closely with him. I am not saying its easy. I will level with you. Believing in
God takes faith, takes love and an honest will to make him proud. I mess up all the time. I
struggle with things all the time. Ive evn asked God for things I know I should have like
for a man I like to call me back when I know all it will lead to is sex. I tell God Im sorry
about things that Im not even ready to give up yet and I feel horrible about it. and being a
christian isnt easy...i mean look at what all Ive endured here. tough room if you ask me
lol. and sure it would be easier for me to keep my mouth shut or go with the crowd and
say forget you god Im gonna do what i want...but I did that already and u know where it
got me? no where. I ended up poor, pregnant to unsure father, no furniture no car, my
only friends party animal drug addicts that i couldnt trust further than i could throw
them. and you know what he said to me...he said "I want you to be yourself, but I want
you to live a better life" and I said ok God and now things are so much better. and when I
see my mom who was supposed to die of 5th cancer and when i see my beautiful blessing
of a baby boy I thank god everyday. and having that love and friendship with the lord is
sooo worth it.
No proof, no care...
On a more serious note, I might now understand why you're so devoted given all the trouble
you went through... But then again, you might be using god or religion as a safe place to
fall just to feel good about yourself, which is good.. For you..
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Just as some pople fall into the garbage from the bible... Worse thing for you is, the
garbage on those science books is by far more reliable and credible than any word
written on the bible
why...because some man w/ glasses made up some formula and used big words to make a
point? have you ever sat down and figured out those big numbers..or comprehended those
complex scientific theories? or do you just believe it because it goes into more detail than
the bible?
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you wanna shake hands with God? I havnt even done that. Im not sure anyone can. But
you can walk closely with him. I am not saying its easy. I will level with you. Believing in
God takes faith, takes love and an honest will to make him proud. I mess up all the time. I
struggle with things all the time. Ive evn asked God for things I know I should have like
for a man I like to call me back when I know all it will lead to is sex. I tell God Im sorry
about things that Im not even ready to give up yet and I feel horrible about it. and being
a christian isnt easy...i mean look at what all Ive endured here. tough room if you ask
me lol. and sure it would be easier for me to keep my mouth shut or go with the crowd
and say forget you god Im gonna do what i want...but I did that already and u know
where it got me? no where. I ended up poor, pregnant to unsure father, no furniture no
car, my only friends party animal drug addicts that i couldnt trust further than i could
throw them. and you know what he said to me...he said "I want you to be yourself, but I
want you to live a better life" and I said ok God and now things are so much better. and
when I see my mom who was supposed to die of 5th cancer and when i see my beautiful
blessing of a baby boy I thank god everyday. and having that love and friendship with the
lord is sooo worth it.
You're in a predominately gay forum, what do you expect? :crazy:
This is defo the thread of the month!!!!:D
Most Entertaining since the COliel incident.

Stripped713 is the new Guess and I love her :love::kiss:
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Well, we feel the same way about Christians. They give you crap and you feed on it.
At least Science is real.
which part? the part where they faslify the size of pangea to make it fit? the part where they
lie in the textbooks to make you belive it? the way they act like religion is a bunch of crap
not fit for school curiculum spite the fact that the constitution, statelaws and schoolboards
have all said that although you cannot require creation or the bible to be taught in school
that you can rule it out as a credible source of history and literature in public chool
curiculum? which part is proven? cuz the only evolution thats proven is microevolution, not
the other 6 or 7 kinds. which part is real? please tell me?
I belive in science. I do not belive in science using its "credibility" as a crutch to pass on
theories and stories as facts.
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LOL
What do you mean?
Well, some people rather just saying a higher entity makes everything happen instead of
looking deeper into things..
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You're in a predominately gay forum, what do you expect? :crazy:
Im bisexual. its a sin i struggle with right now. does that mean I have to reject god? did god
say he sent his son to die for the straight ppl only? did god say he loved the straight ppl so
much that he sent his only son to die. does it say that whosoever is perfect and without sin
will have ever lasting life? I think not
It says
for god so loved the world that he gave his only son and whosoever believeth on him shall
not perish but have ever lasting life.
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point? have you ever sat down and figured out those big numbers..or comprehended
those complex scientific theories? or do you just believe it because it goes into more
detail than the bible?
:manson: Scientific formula is proven to be true. It's not some bunch of numbers that you
just 'make up' to look cool. My god, the ignorance of that remark.
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which part? the part where they faslify the size of pangea to make it fit? the part where
they lie in the textbooks to make you belive it? the way they act like religion is a bunch of
crap not fit for school curiculum spite the fact that the constitution, statelaws and
schoolboards have all said that although you cannot require creation or the bible to be
taught in school that you can rule it out as a credible source of history and literature in
public chool curiculum? which part is proven? cuz the only evolution thats proven is
microevolution, not the other 6 or 7 kinds. which part is real? please tell me?
I belive in science. I do not belive in science using its "credibility" as a crutch to pass on
theories and stories as facts.
O'Rly? Didn't The Church say that Earth was the center of the universe? :crazy:
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No, because to me it makes more sense, and because after you think into it you find that
whatever theory is credible or even possible... To me, the contrary happens with the bible
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Im bisexual. its a sin i struggle with right now. does that mean I have to reject god? did
god say he sent his son to die for the straight ppl only? did god say he loved the straight
ppl so much that he sent his only son to die. does it say that whosoever is perfect and
without sin will have ever lasting life? I think not
It says
for god so loved the world that he gave his only son and whosoever believeth on him
shall not perish but have ever lasting life.
:funny: :roll: :music: :funny: :crazy:

ROTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I was thinking the same thing but I'm glad you're the one who said it :laugh:
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X° + 3XY / (X-Y)2 = God doesn't exist :nod:
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lol u and u keep repeating ourself and its so funny. I mean correct me if Im wrong but arnt
they believing the science on faith? is that not religion? they just take it without question
because some 'scientist" said it. Ive pointed out numberous lies and exgerations in their
"science" and they ignore it completly and still keep saying oh but its science. religion
much?
Tony'slips Jun 4th, 2007 03:57 AM
why can'T you guys respect each others beliefs
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You're coooool, man. Don't forget to trim your beard.
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No i think science said the earth was the center of the universe as well as they used to think
the earth was flat and they used to think that bigger objects always fall faster than little
objects. science changes its story on how old the earth is every 20 minutes. lol the earth gets
another billions of years old every 20 minutes.
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E = MC2
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lol u and u keep repeating ourself and its so funny. I mean correct me if Im wrong but
arnt they believing the science on faith? is that not religion? they just take it without
question because some 'scientist" said it. Ive pointed out numberous lies and exgerations
in their "science" and they ignore it completly and still keep saying oh but its science.
religion much?
Difference, scientist said something after years of studies, and there are proofs of their
experiments and studies.. Any credible scientist anyway...
The bible was made by God (No pun intended) knows who, god knows when and only god
knows what that man/men/woman/women were smoking at the moment of writting it...
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You're coooool, man. Don't forget to trim your beard.
I know I'm so cool naw :D
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E = MC2
BS, you probably just pulled those from your ass just to seem kewl like me :)
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Originally Posted by Tony'slips

why can'T you guys respect each others beliefs
I cant respect something thats so hipocritcal. they expect me to question my god and my
beliefs when their science is no more proven. its ridiculous. I understand why they believe
these things I mean its been drilled into their brains but still. I cant respect something that
lies.
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Actually some of the highest level scientists also argue that. :o

Its one of just two theories on the universe and the eleventh dimension. So there is a 50%
chance that it is scientifically true. :eek:
I dunno though... hmm...
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Difference, scientist said something after years of studies, and there are proofs of their
experiments and studies.. Any credible scientist anyway...
The bible was made by God (No pun intended) knows who, god knows when and only god
knows what that man/men/woman/women were smoking at the moment of writting it...
and pelase share with me what have scientists foudn after their years of study that is a hard
core fact proving evlotion took place? what is it your so willfully following. what is it thats
so factual you cant deny it.
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No i think science said the earth was the center of the universe as well as they used to
think the earth was flat and they used to think that bigger objects always fall faster than
little objects. science changes its story on how old the earth is every 20 minutes. lol the
earth gets another billions of years old every 20 minutes.
No. At the same exact time The Church said that, Galileo discovered that infact it was not
and look what happened to him. Since he went against the stupid church, they executed
him.
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have you figured it out yourself? or are you just saying that because multi peope have
deemed it "credible?" because if that's the case...then you're just believing based on
faith...something that i do as well but that you think is "stupid".

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I cant respect something thats so hipocritcal. they expect me to question my god and my
beliefs when their science is no more proven. its ridiculous. I understand why they believe
these things I mean its been drilled into their brains but still. I cant respect something
that lies.
the irony...
*looks back*
Ha... I think I started this. Whoops.
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What? I've never heard that :crazy:
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and pelase share with me what have scientists foudn after their years of study that is a
hard core fact proving evlotion took place? what is it your so willfully following. what is
it thats so factual you cant deny it.
They hide info like that on books (Bible excepted of course;) ), go try them :D
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No. At the same exact time The Church said that, Galileo discovered that infact it was not
and look what happened to him. Since he went against the stupid church, they executed
him.
what chrurch was this?
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What? I've never heard that :crazy:
I watched an hour documentary on discovery channel. It was very interesting. I understood

the first 5 minutes... then there was 50 minutes of science/math talk... then the last 5
minutes they said that theory. So :crazy:
hell if I know.
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have you figured it out yourself? or are you just saying that because multi peope have
deemed it "credible?" because if that's the case...then you're just believing based on
faith...something that i do as well but that you think is "stupid".
I followed to the level of physics that I am capable of understanding, enough to follow the
theory but not to understand the placement of every letter, number and symbol. You're
ignorant as to the true meaning of faith. A proven fact that you're too dumb or uneducated
to understand the precise mechanism of isn't any less of a proven fact.
God is not a proven fact, or a fact at all. God is a belief.
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They hide info like that on books (Bible excepted of course;) ), go try them :D
No Im asking you what have you seen or read that is a scientific fact proving evolution. you
seem so ure of it and I find it hard to belive you would just follow something by faith and
not fact. so please share.
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Im bisexual.
There's no heaven for bisexuals. You're defending a dead cause.
Anyway, time to go. I'm leaving y'allz, be back in July:laugh:
Bye.
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No Im asking you what have you seen or read that is a scientific fact proving evolution.
you seem so ure of it and I find it hard to belive you would just follow something by faith
and not fact. so please share.
Well, if you are not interested in reading, I understand, just pray to go for it to explanin you
this... If it has time of course and wants to do it... I'm not gonna writte an essay on what I
have read when it obviously won't even slightly hit you...
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i saw those stats., if i remember correctly a large portion of the population belives in
creation and god, a small percentage of people believe in evolution and when it came to
scientists and the scientific community many admited it was just one of the possible
theories. in fact I should go get some of those quotes i have from scientists about how there
are holes in the evolution theory and they believe its possbile creation is correct
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Bye.
Till July?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :(
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Well, if you are not interested in reading, I understand, just pray to go for it to explanin
you this... If it has time of course and wants to do it... I'm not gonna writte an essay on
what I have read when it obviously won't even slightly hit you...
in other words...you got nothing. :roll:

omg Im so shamed to think someone here would just spout of what they belive with no
scientific evidence! oh wait isnt that what Im being accused of? lol well thanks jimmy
youve just further proven my point. evolution is religion.
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I watched an hour documentary on discovery channel. It was very interesting. I
understood the first 5 minutes... then there was 50 minutes of science/math talk... then the
last 5 minutes they said that theory. So :crazy:
hell if I know.
Ok. I've watched a few Stephen Hawking tapes and wow. Whenever they get into the
multiple dimensions thing.. they just lose me. I just can't fathom it, you know? String
Theory is also very interesting.
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Bye.
lol I dont argure about somthing silly but I am going to heaven. the only unforgivable sin is
blasphemy and the lord reads my heart so I know he feels my convistion and forgives me
for my temptations. I have nothing to worry about.
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in other words...you got nothing. :roll:
omg Im so shamed to think someone here would just spout of what they belive with no
scientific evidence! oh wait isnt that what Im being accused of? lol well thanks jimmy
youve just further proven my point. evolution is religion.
Please, Ring The Alarm already told you something to read and investigate, yet you're
sitting here ignoring that post.. Why bother with you anyway? I won't post anything of what
I've read because you'll ignore it as well, like the good christian you are...
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Please, Ring The Alarm already told you something to read and investigate, yet you're
sitting here ignoring that post.. Why bother with you anyway? I won't post anything of
what I've read because you'll ignore it as well, like the good christian you are...
I didnt see her say anything like that i got caught up in the debate and theres alot of people
talking. but um yah ive seen the textbooks, quite a few of them and all their lies and flaws
so Im not sure i need to be doing to research actually. I already have.
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I didnt see her say anything like that i got caught up in the debate and theres alot of
people talking. but um yah ive seen the textbooks, quite a few of them and all their lies
and flaws so Im not sure i need to be doing to research actually. I already have.
See, then why bother myself.. You are not someone who is asking for info to take a
desicion....
Didn't you say you were leaving? :laugh:
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Didn't you say you were leaving? :laugh:
Me?
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I followed to the level of physics that I am capable of understanding, enough to follow the
theory but not to understand the placement of every letter, number and symbol. You're
ignorant as to the true meaning of faith. A proven fact that you're too dumb or
uneducated to understand the precise mechanism of isn't any less of a proven fact.
God is not a proven fact, or a fact at all. God is a belief.
i'm dumb, but you choose to believe in something that is constantly changing, therefore
deeming it unreliable. ok...let's talk about being "ignorant". you wanna defend something
that once said the world was flat? how about that the earth was in the center of the galaxy? i
could go on and on about "accepted" scientific theories that have been proven wrong. so
you can keep your "science" because in the years to come mankind will think of something
else to prove our current "facts" untrue.
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Ok. I've watched a few Stephen Hawking tapes and wow. Whenever they get into the
multiple dimensions thing.. they just lose me. I just can't fathom it, you know? String
Theory is also very interesting.
I wish some bitch would strap me to a bed and teach me about this stuff. I would love to
have the disapline to learn about it. :o
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Me?
No, the Stripped girl.
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Bye.
I am gonna miss Gabo so much :(

He is one of the few people who doesn't hate me on LD :cry:
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that once said the world was flat? how about that the earth was in the center of the
galaxy? i could go on and on about "accepted" scientific theories that have been proven
wrong. so you can keep your "science" because in the years to come mankind will think
of something else to prove our current "facts" untrue.
dude best piece of advice i can offer is dont bother with her. I know its hard. I wanna lead
her to christ as well. But shes just too angry and prefers calling names and pointing fingers.
I dont know if its insecurity or anger issues or what. but shes not going to listen it doesnt
matter how logical you approach it. I dont even see the point in talking to someone who
likes being nasty way too much.
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If jermaine likes it, then I like it ;)

DONT LEAVE DONT DONE LEAVE, play play oooonnn....
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:manson: I'm not defending that the earth is flat. Do you know why science changes?
Because people get smarter. People learn more. People want to go forward instead of
clinging to a very simple ideal from millenniums ago. The past never changes, which is
why your beliefs have been the same for two thousand years. The present and the future DO
change and are constantly evolving, and so science does too.
Instead of stubbornly defending wrong ideals when they realise that they were wrong,
science readily admits that it's wrong and willingly advances understanding to the next
level, constantly leaping forwards in comprehension of our world.
Scientific theories are constantly changing or being corrected because human's limitations
are being diminished as time passes by and technology develops and improves, hence, new
things are discovered...
The bible has always stayed the same because it is meant to stay like that, it's all dogma, it
is not meant to explain our origins or whatever, but to make us believe something and obey
its rules..

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I wish some bitch would strap me to a bed and teach me about this stuff. I would love to
have the disapline to learn about it. :o
LOL!
The Universe is just amazing. There was this one guy who is an expert on and wrote a book
on Black Holes .. he was on some Black Hole special and then oddly enough he was on
Conan a couple days later. Anyways, I kinda was thinking that.. if we don't blow up each
other first then the end of us will definitely be a black hole.
EDT Jun 4th, 2007 04:17 AM
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people systematically based on their race. Slaughtering men while trying to take over
their country (while very very bad, don't get me wrong) is nowhere near the magnitude
of stealing men, women and children from their homes, shipping them off to camps,
gassing them to death and burying them in mass graves 10 million times over just
because they happen to look different.
hmm...:crazy:
God is still winning...it must be a miracle...oh wait, there's no such thing. let me figure out a
formula to prove this...
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LOL!
The Universe is just amazing. There was this one guy who is an expert on and wrote a
book on Black Holes .. he was on some Black Hole special and then oddly enough he was
on Conan a couple days later. Anyways, I kinda was thinking that.. if we don't blow up
each other first then the end of us will definitely be a black hole.
I have just finished Bill Brysons 'Short History of Nearly Everything' Its superb you should
read it. Im about to start the Hawkings book next though :o
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dude best piece of advice i can offer is dont bother with her. I know its hard. I wanna
lead her to christ as well. But shes just too angry and prefers calling names and pointing
fingers. I dont know if its insecurity or anger issues or what. but shes not going to listen it
doesnt matter how logical you approach it. I dont even see the point in talking to
someone who likes being nasty way too much.
The complete absence of sane logic is my problem :crazy: Dude, stop being so patronising.
[O_o]Darius?! Jun 4th, 2007 04:19 AM
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The bible has always stayed the same because it is meant to stay like that, it's all dogma,
it is not meant to explain our origins or whatever, but to make us believe something and
obey its rules..
Thank you:)
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God is still winning...it must be a miracle...oh wait, there's no such thing. let me figure
out a formula to prove this...
You go man!! I'll pray to figure out the answer...
well I should be going. this has been very interesting and I enjoyed talking to all of you. I
pray for everyone here at ld sometimes. I pray for the world. I bind you devil and all your
spirits of rebellion and hatred and anger and negativity. I tell you to cut lose of these people
because they are the children of God and greater is he that is in me than he that is in the
world. Lord I ask you to send more people across their path that can lead them to you and
help me to be a good example and a good christian as hard as it may be. Lord I ask you to
draw them close to you that they may know your love in JESUS name amen.
now I know its along shot but if anyone at all is interested in knowing more about the love
of God and how to get saved today simply private messege me or visit my myspace
http://www.myspace.com/stripped713
Ill be happy to speak to any one privatly about the love of God. If you want to know more
about creation verses evolution and the lies in the textbooks Ill be happy to go through it
with you.
DamnnnYouFUG Jun 4th, 2007 04:20 AM
LMFAO....yall are mad crazy
DamnnnYouFUG Jun 4th, 2007 04:20 AM
d/p oops :eek:
xtinarunner is banned :manson:

forever from the CA board. :rolleye2:
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well I should be going. this has been very interesting and I enjoyed talking to all of you. I
pray for everyone here at ld sometimes. I pray for the world. I bind you devil and all your
spirits of rebellion and hatred and anger and negativity. I tell you to cut lose of these
people because they are the children of God and greater is he that is in me than he that is
in the world. Lord I ask you to send more people across their path that can lead them to
you and help me to be a good example and a good christian as hard as it may be. Lord I
ask you to draw them close to you that they may know your love in JESUS name amen.
now I know its along shot but if anyone at all is interested in knowing more about the
love of God and how to get saved today simply private messege me or visit my myspace
http://www.myspace.com/stripped713
Ill be happy to speak to any one privatly about the love of God. If you want to know more
about creation verses evolution and the lies in the textbooks Ill be happy to go through it
with you.
Jesus take the wheeeellllll:music:
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d/p oops :eek:
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Orly? Oh no :cry:
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:manson: I'm not defending that the earth is flat. Do you know why science changes?
Because people get smarter. People learn more. People want to go forward instead of
clinging to a very simple ideal from millenniums ago. The past never changes, which is
why your beliefs have been the same for two thousand years. The present and the future
DO change and are constantly evolving, and so science does too.
Instead of stubbornly defending wrong ideals when they realise that they were wrong,
science readily admits that it's wrong and willingly advances understanding to the next
level, constantly leaping forwards in comprehension of our world.
i didn't say you thought that the world was flat, i was making a point that science isn't really
proven if it's constantly being disproven. so, oh wise one, you're saying that the people of
the future are smarter than we are today. in that case, why even bother believing if it's just
gonna change later on? sounds kinda dumb to me...
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I have just finished Bill Brysons 'Short History of Nearly Everything' Its superb you
should read it. Im about to start the Hawkings book next though :o
If you're interested, I found the book:

Death by Black Hole: And Other Cosmic Quandaries
by Neil deGrasse Tyson
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If you're interested, I found the book:
Death by Black Hole: And Other Cosmic Quandaries
by Neil deGrasse Tyson
I am. I will pick that up. Thanks ;)
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Seriously? I was starting to like him, sorta :crazy:
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Orly? Oh no :cry:
he was entertaining. Its funny both him and CIH are now permabanned. :noway:
Who will make all the Carrie/Kelly threads now? :cry:
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i didn't say you thought that the world was flat, i was making a point that science isn't
really proven if it's constantly being disproven. so, oh wise one, you're saying that the
people of the future are smarter than we are today. in that case, why even bother
believing if it's just gonna change later on? sounds kinda dumb to me...
How old are you? :manson:
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How old are you? :manson:
no response?
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he was entertaining. Its funny both him and CIH are now permabanned. :noway:
Who will make all the Carrie/Kelly threads now? :cry:
You? :susp: :p
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i didn't say you thought that the world was flat, i was making a point that science isn't
really proven if it's constantly being disproven. so, oh wise one, you're saying that the
people of the future are smarter than we are today. in that case, why even bother
believing if it's just gonna change later on? sounds kinda dumb to me...
Not everything changes. Things that we believe now are much less likely to change because
they're based on actual verifiable science, and not theory made hundreds of years ago with
nothing to base it on (like a religion is).
The main reason now that things will change is that we gain new information to give us a
different insight which will change our interpretation of any given data. That doesn't make
the original data wrong, just our interpretation of it. The only thing that limits us now is
ourselves. Mindsets like yours will never lead to greater technology and would downright
hinder the progress of scientific and geological comprehension.
Coliel Jun 4th, 2007 04:29 AM
God.
Christina is human, just like us.
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Not everything changes. Things that we believe now are much less likely to change
because they're based on actual verifiable science, and not theory made hundreds of
years ago with nothing to base it on (like a religion is).
The main reason now that things will change is that we gain new information to give us a
different insight which will change our interpretation of any given data. That doesn't
make the original data wrong, just our interpretation of it. The only thing that limits us
now is ourselves. Mindsets like yours will never lead to greater technology and would
downright hinder the progress of scientific and geological comprehension.
:roll: alright...this is goin nowhere fast. i respect whatever it is that you believe in and let's
agree to disagree.
:greyno: Not saying that as a personal attack but I hope there's less people in the world with
your attitude and more with Jess' attitude, otherwise we'll be saying hi to the middle ages
again.
Diamond_City Jun 4th, 2007 04:33 AM
Man, the LD Christina Aguilera forum use to be the hottest forum on the internet. Alot has
changed. :o :noway:
You shouldn't be putting Christina Aguilera above anything or anyone. Not unless you put
her music above someone else's music. She is just a person.
Christina is a bonified christian, and I highly doubt she would put any of you over God.
Thank GOD xtinarunner is banned. He was one of the most annoying members here of all,
imo.
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:greyno: Not saying that as a personal attack but I hope there's less people in the world
with your attitude and more with Jess' attitude, otherwise we'll be saying hi to the middle
ages again.
Aw thanks :D You had a lot of good, valid points tonight.
I'm surprised how much we've gotten along lately. I guess we're more a like than we
thought :hat:
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Man, the LD Christina Aguilera forum use to be the hottest forum on the internet. Alot
has changed. :o :noway:
I haven't been browsing LD nearly as much the last few weeks. I've been getting really
bored here lately.

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Thank GOD xtinarunner is banned. He was one of the most annoying members here of
all, imo.
:funny:
I know, me too :laugh: I think you really did my head in at first. :nc: :roll: Sorry, I think I
came at LD full steam ahead with bitching which didn't help a whole lot.
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:greyno: Not saying that as a personal attack but I hope there's less people in the world
with your attitude and more with Jess' attitude, otherwise we'll be saying hi to the middle
ages again.
well now that u dont have to worry about my friend. cuz youll get your wish. it says the
road to heaven is narrow and straight whereas the path to hell is wide and curvery and many
people walk it. :D so dont worry youll get your wish there will be a lot less of us than you

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People will be more smarter because technology and science changes with the times.
You believe I'm going to hell? What a foul, despicable thing to say. How vile and
disgusting of you. How judgemental. How wrong. How anti-christian.
I've done nothing wrong and you have no reason to believe that I deserve to suffer forever.
Personally I believe if there IS a god, he'll be more charitable towards atheists who do good
things to help people than 'Christians' who do good things to get into heaven.
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People will be more smarter because technology and science changes with the times.
people can be book smart all they want but if they refuse christ itll probly be the dumbest
decision theyve ever made and theyll be paying for it for an eternity.
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I know, me too :laugh: I think you really did my head in at first. :nc: :roll: Sorry, I think I
came at LD full steam ahead with bitching which didn't help a whole lot.
Oh, it's cool. Everyone bitches and everyone has little tiffs. I've realized a lot within the
past weeks, seeing through a lot of people and seeing good things in others that I never
chose to see before.

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You believe I'm going to hell? What a foul, despicable thing to say. How vile and
disgusting of you. How judgemental. How wrong. How anti-christian.
I've done nothing wrong. Personally I believe if there IS a god, he'll be more charitable
towards atheists who do good things to help people than 'Christians' who do good things
to get into heaven.
sorry but thats not what it says in the bible. it doesnt say if you refuse god but do good
things you shall not perish it says ...whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have
ever lasting life. sorry Im not going to judge you so dont get all angry again. what happens
to your soul is between ou and god. but if you wanna take the risk then be my guest Im only
telling you what it says in te bible and if you refuse God then yes you are going to hell.
sorry i dont want it that way but jesus is the only way the truth and the life
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Oh, it's cool. Everyone bitches and everyone has little tiffs. I've realized a lot within the
past weeks, seeing through a lot of people and seeing good things in others that I never
chose to see before.
:love:
I've discovered I get on really well with a lot of people that I used to argue on here with. I
love it :sunny:
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people can be book smart all they want but if they refuse christ itll probly be the dumbest
decision theyve ever made and theyll be paying for it for an eternity.
Are you a christian? You seem like one.

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sorry but thats not what it says in the bible. it doesnt say if you refuse god but do good
things you shall not perish it says ...whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have
ever lasting life. sorry Im not going to judge you so dont get all angry again. what
happens to your soul is between ou and god. but if you wanna take the risk then be my
guest Im only telling you what it says in te bible and if you refuse God then yes you are
going to hell. sorry i dont want it that way but jesus is the only way the truth and the life
Then you believe in a foul god. If you support a god who sends good people to hell then
you are a terrible person. A despicable one. I can only hope you people come to be ashamed
of yourself one day when you realise what you've done.
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Are you a christian? You seem like one.
Yes I am saved. I'm not perfect but no one is. But yes I am christian.
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Then you believe in a foul god. If you support a god who sends good people to hell then
you are a terrible person. A despicable one. I can only hope you people come to be
ashamed of yourself one day when you realise what you've done.
lol hardly. God doesnt send anyone to hell. he gives them the freedom to choose. if you
chose a life if non believing then good for you, you get to live burden free, sin all you want
and not give a crap. you just have to pay with it for eternal death in hell. me on the other
hand I live the burdened life of a christian and it has its downsides but Id much rather spend
eterinity prasing my God in heaven.
Not believing in god doesn't mean that you 'sin'. I am much less of a 'sinner' than the
average Christian, actually, the only thing I don't do is support an evil god as you do.
The fact of the matter is that I disbelieve in the Christian god for good reasons. For reasons
born of compassion. Really. If you support a god who punishes goodness and compassion
by sending someone to scream in agony for all eternity you are one of the most terrible, vile
and despicable people I could ever imagine.
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lol hardly. God doesnt send anyone to hell. he gives them the freedom to choose. if you
chose a life if non believing then good for you, you get to live burden free, sin all you
want and not give a crap. you just have to pay with it for eternal death in hell. me on the
other hand I live the burdened life of a christian and it has its downsides but Id much
rather spend eterinity prasing my God in heaven.
and Id like to add Ill tell you what I support. I support a God that made this world and
everyone in it. even jerks like you are gods creation and therefore he loves you. You are his
child and you can either accept him or reject him thats your choice but if you go to hell
thats not Gods desire or Mine...its obviously yours if you make that choice. I support
aloving God who wants you to accept him into your right right now, a God who wants you
to submit your burdens to him, a God who loved you so much he sent his only son for your
sickness and salvation. thats the God I support and you can either accept him or reject him
the choice is yours.
:nc:
Aaaand it's 5am and I have a doctor's appointment tomorrow so I'm off to bed. Night all
:kiss:
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:nc:
LMAO!!!!!:roll:
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The fact of the matter is that I disbelieve in the Christian god for good reasons. For
reasons born of compassion. Really. If you support a god who punishes goodness and
compassion by sending someone to scream in agony for all eternity you are one of the
most terrible, vile and despicable people I could ever imagine.
Honey let me explain something to you. the bible doesnt say that all the people who do nice
things for others go to heaven, doesnt say the people who are less of sinners go to heaven, it
says believeth on him. so not that i would but if for some reason i went out right now and
robbed a bank and had sex with the bank teller and then got hit by a truck before repenting I
am covered by the blood of jesus and will still go to heaven. of course I will be judged for
those sins but I still go to heaven. the only unforgiveable sin is blasphemy or the rejection
of christ which would make sense considering its only the acception of him that makes you
clean. so you can be a girlscout all you want. If you have been told about the love of christ,
can mentally comprehend when you are being told and understand that jesus is the only
way and still refuse him then yes you have chosen the wide and narrow road. sorry I dont
know how else to explain it.
jackiem Jun 4th, 2007 04:49 AM
this thread is ridiculous.
to add fuel to the fire, stripped173, my fellow person in Christ, you really shouldn't tell ppl
if they are going to heaven or not, you can present them with the truth. who is to say that
serentyx might not have a change? when you judge others it makes them want to be less
like you and you don't want to represent christians in that way. it sounds to me like serenity
x does believe in God, "Personally I believe if there IS a god, he'll be more charitable
towards atheists who do good things to help people than 'Christians' who do good things to
get into heaven."
so don't be so quick to judge, afterall, this is in the bible too
3And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in
your own eye? 4Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your
eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your
own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
All you can do is pray for others that have lack of faith.
PLEASE do not waste your "prayers" on me. :laugh:
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to add fuel to the fire, stripped173, my fellow person in Christ, you really shouldn't tell
ppl if they are going to heaven or not, you can present them with the truth. who is to say
that serentyx might not have a change? when you judge others it makes them want to be
less like you and you don't want to represent christians in that way. it sounds to me like
serenity x does believe in God, "Personally I believe if there IS a god, he'll be more
charitable towards atheists who do good things to help people than 'Christians' who do
good things to get into heaven."
excuse me but im not sure where i ever said that yes serenity is going to hell. i said whats in
the bible and thats any person who does not accept jesus as their lord and savior is going to
hell..i even freaking said that i was not judging her and that was between her an God Im
just telling her what the truth is as you just stated. so not sure what your going on about but
yah...nuff said.
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PLEASE do not waste your "prayers" on me. :laugh:
i dont belive any prayer is a waste and I dont belive any person is without hope. it even says
in the bible not to give up that there is no one without hope
so you believe that a Jew, would go to hell then because they don't believe in Christ?
Irnoically they are the same religion as Christ.
just curious,
but we shouldn't argue and ban together as ppl in Christ
You honestly believe that you can do bad things yet still go to heaven, but if you question
yourself due to reasons of compassion but do good things, you go to hell :manson: WOW.
That gives me a lot of insight into your character.
You don't have to support the Christian god even if you believe in him. Even if the
Christian god was proven to be true, I would chose to reject him for the pain, suffering,
unfairness and hypocrisy he causes. You could just as easily think for yourself and decide
not to support such a foul god.
So, why do you believe? You either believe because you think god is good (which makes
you either ignorant or despicable, not sure which) or you believe/support god because you
want to go to heaven instead of hell. In which case nothing 'good' you do is actually good.
Every 'good' action you perform is nothing but selfish.
christina aguilera is my lord and savior
In_My_World Jun 4th, 2007 04:55 AM
Some of you are really ridiculous... :nc:
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to add fuel to the fire, stripped173, my fellow person in Christ, you really shouldn't tell
ppl if they are going to heaven or not, you can present them with the truth. who is to say
that serentyx might not have a change? when you judge others it makes them want to be
less like you and you don't want to represent christians in that way. it sounds to me like
serenity x does believe in God, "Personally I believe if there IS a god, he'll be more
charitable towards atheists who do good things to help people than 'Christians' who do
good things to get into heaven."
I am open minded to the possibility that some form of higher being exists. But I refuse to
support the Christian god if he exists, because I think he's a bad one. And that's a decision I
make through (cheesy as it sounds) compassionate reasons - I feel, frankly, that your god
has no compassion and no morals, and that's not the kind of creature I want to admit to
supporting. Though I'm not saying that as an attack on you.
Anyway, I really do need to go to bed. Night all :kiss:
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so you believe that a Jew, would go to hell then because they don't believe in Christ?
Irnoically they are the same religion as Christ.
Um as i already said I dont know all the answers and Im not gonna sit here and pass
judgement like "yah u are going to hell but you are going to heaven and these people are
going to heaven and these are going to hell" Im telling serenity who claims to be an atheist I
guess that it says in the bible that only through the acceptence of jesus christ as her lord and
savior is she saved and going to heaven. why are trying to put words in my mouth and
talking about specs and planks and everything else. Im fully aware that everything i told
serenity was according to the bible. Im not judging Im not saying she will never change or
never accept christ in fact i pray she does. Im telling her the honest truth that jesus is the
only way the truth and the life. so not sure what the dispute is about but thats all i was
saying./
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yourself due to reasons of compassion but do good things, you go to heaven :manson:
WOW. That gives me a lot of insight into your character.
you either ignorant or despicable, not sure which) or you believe/support god because
you want to go to heaven instead of hell. In which case nothing 'good' you do is actually
good. Every 'good' action you perform is nothing but selfish.
oooohh.. you're good :nod:
XtinaBStan! Jun 4th, 2007 04:58 AM
GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cuz I heard he had a better belting voice than Baby Juanita. :eek:
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support the Christian god if he exists, because I think he's a bad one. And that's a
decision I make through (cheesy as it sounds) compassionate reasons - I feel, frankly,
that your god has no compassion and no morals, and that's not the kind of creature I
want to admit to supporting.
well, I honestly believe you have a tainted view of the Christian God, he is the same God as
the Jewish God, or Muslim God or acutaly HIndi God, which I find pretty cool. I do
understand that some forms of christianity paints a rather nasty picture of God and I'm with
you. Why would God have no compassion?
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Um as i already said I dont know all the answers and Im not gonna sit here and pass
judgement like "yah u are going to hell but you are going to heaven and these people are
going to heaven and these are going to hell" Im telling serenity who claims to be an
atheist I guess that it says in the bible that only through the acceptence of jesus christ as
her lord and savior is she saved and going to heaven. why are trying to put words in my
mouth and talking about specs and planks and everything else. Im fully aware that
everything i told serenity was according to the bible. Im not judging Im not saying she
will never change or never accept christ in fact i pray she does. Im telling her the honest
truth that jesus is the only way the truth and the life. so not sure what the dispute is about
but thats all i was saying./
see I don't see everything in the bible as literal. You have to take into account, who was
writing it, who they wre writing for and the time period. I believe that people who believe
in one God will be "saved." BUt that doesn't mean that people outside of that will not be
saved.
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yourself due to reasons of compassion but do good things, you go to heaven :manson:
WOW. That gives me a lot of insight into your character.
you either ignorant or despicable, not sure which) or you believe/support god because
you want to go to heaven instead of hell. In which case nothing 'good' you do is actually
good. Every 'good' action you perform is nothing but selfish.
oy your posts are giving me a headache. one more time and try to get it.
#1 I am not saying I should use the fact that I have accepted jesus to sin all I want. that
would be selfish and God would read my heart and know that. He reads your heart and
knows what you treuly feel and think. He knows I love him and he knows I make mistakes
My only point about the sinning thing is you are confused. you think good deeds get you
into heaven but no acceptance of christ is needed where its very much the oppositve.
#2 God does not cause any of those things. Gods love is perfect and endless. Its satans
deceit, and mans corruption by satan that have made this world the way it is. If you were
saved you could see that. But I undersatand why you dont and why it may seem its god up
there with a flyswatter ruining our lives. But Im telling you the honest to God truth. Its not.

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support the Christian god if he exists, because I think he's a bad one. And that's a
decision I make through (cheesy as it sounds) compassionate reasons - I feel, frankly,
that your god has no compassion and no morals, and that's not the kind of creature I
want to admit to supporting.
Agreed.
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see I don't see everything in the bible as literal. You have to take into account, who was
writing it, who they wre writing for and the time period. I believe that people who believe
in one God will be "saved." BUt that doesn't mean that people outside of that will not be
saved.
I dont sorry. it doesnt say if you believeth in any god your saved, doesnt say if you belive in
budha your saved, doesnt say if you believe in allah your saved. just says god and jesus.
ummm but thats just something I cant really call the shots on thats between God and them,
Im only saying what I belive in the bible and I belive the bible is the all inspired word of
God and is perfect in every aspect and I believe in the bible code as well. everything we
need for this life is in the bible. but thats just my personal feeling on the matter and serenity
asked and Im giving her my honest as best as I know it answer. you can give her a different
one if you want. but Im just saying what i know to be ther word of God.
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:love:
I've discovered I get on really well with a lot of people that I used to argue on here with. I
love it :sunny:
lol thats exactly how I feel about you and Jess/Dirrtyxx:D

man ot sarah silverman really dug into paris once again. shes really not funny you know. its
so childish. and that tv show of hers isnt funny either.
alright im going to bed night
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Honey let me explain something to you. the bible doesnt say that all the people who do
nice things for others go to heaven, doesnt say the people who are less of sinners go to
heaven, it says believeth on him. so not that i would but if for some reason i went out
right now and robbed a bank and had sex with the bank teller and then got hit by a
truck before repenting I am covered by the blood of jesus and will still go to heaven. of
course I will be judged for those sins but I still go to heaven. the only unforgiveable sin is
blasphemy or the rejection of christ which would make sense considering its only the
acception of him that makes you clean. so you can be a girlscout all you want. If you have
been told about the love of christ, can mentally comprehend when you are being told and
understand that jesus is the only way and still refuse him then yes you have chosen the
wide and narrow road. sorry I dont know how else to explain it.
:crazy:
in a f**ked up way, thats kinda hot. I used to be a bank teller. :funny: :o
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I dont sorry. it doesnt say if you believeth in any god your saved, doesnt say if you belive
in budha your saved, doesnt say if you believe in allah your saved. just says god and
jesus. ummm but thats just something I cant really call the shots on thats between God
and them, Im only saying what I belive in the bible and I belive the bible is the all
inspired word of God and is perfect in every aspect and I believe in the bible code as
well. everything we need for this life is in the bible. but thats just my personal feeling on
the matter and serenity asked and Im giving her my honest as best as I know it answer.
you can give her a different one if you want. but Im just saying what i know to be ther
word of God.
just out of curiousity what relgion are you?
I understnad what it says in the bible, the bible is amazing. BUt some things tend to
disagree with each other for example, in the bible is says that when two or more are
fathered in my name I am there. It also says when praying go to the most inner room of
your house and pray to God in secret. This always confused me but you MUST take into
acount who it's written for. I believe that one is saying don't pray just for others to look you
and not do it for hte right reasons. Do you see what I mean there? I guess for me I believe
that each relgion just fits differnt people better. I have found a great fit for me in my
religon, that doesn't mean I hsould go convert everyone because other ones might fit them
better.
good night, wish I could have dicussed this when it was more alive
God bless
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lol thats exactly how I feel about you and Jess/Dirrtyxx:D
:love:
The feeling is mutual!
~Crybaby~ Jun 4th, 2007 05:09 AM
LMFAO @ Christina almost winning. :funny: :crazy:
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i_love_xtina Jun 4th, 2007 05:13 AM
God.
I probably spend more time, thinking and involving myself with more christina-related
things but I pray to god everyday and night and Im sure he knows that I dont see christina
as a higher thing than him.
But i love christina a whole damn much thats fo shooo
I dont think this thread was meant to be taken serious.
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You're right. That's what's so hilarious.
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christina aguilera is my lord and savior
:roll: :roll: :love:

Babar Jun 4th, 2007 06:15 AM
This is stupid. For all u people who voted Christina, dont be like that. Christina for all her
vocals is a human being. She's by no means better than u, me or anybody else. A girl doing
her job, we liking her work ---- nothing more to it.
There's no human being, no other thing including my mother that I'd put before God.
To my dear God: Aint No Other God But You
elliott Jun 4th, 2007 06:17 AM
seriously christina. i mean christina didnt rape and murder thousands of people. but really
because i love her
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Originally Posted by elliott

seriously christina. i mean christina didnt rape and murder thousands of people. but
really because i love her
huh? :susp2:
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Originally Posted by B. Suleman

This is stupid. For all u people who voted Christina, dont be like that. Christina for all
her vocals is a human being. She's by no means better than u, me or anybody else. A girl
doing her job, we liking her work ---- nothing more to it.
Well we don't believe in god, so why not put her before something you don't believe?
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just out of curiousity what relgion are you?
I understnad what it says in the bible, the bible is amazing. BUt some things tend to
disagree with each other for example, in the bible is says that when two or more are
fathered in my name I am there. It also says when praying go to the most inner room of
your house and pray to God in secret. This always confused me but you MUST take into
acount who it's written for. I believe that one is saying don't pray just for others to look
you and not do it for hte right reasons. Do you see what I mean there? I guess for me I
believe that each relgion just fits differnt people better. I have found a great fit for me in
my religon, that doesn't mean I hsould go convert everyone because other ones might fit
them better.
good night, wish I could have dicussed this when it was more alive
God bless
ugh cudnt sleep. I am non demoninational christian. I belive that you have to take the bible
according to context. I mean sure its good to pray in private but they are also saying that
when two or more a gathered that there is strength in numbers. I mean think about it, its
important to stand united together in prayer. some things should be private between just u
and god and other things should be done together as a body of christ. the bible does not
contradict itself you just gotta know how to discern between old tesiment and new, and
learn how to take things in context
why would you put something imaginary before a real human?
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I didnt think it was but u know that doesnt make it any less wrong. I mean I feel so sorry for
god that he gives people life and this world and so many blessings and then they blaspheme
like this? I mean as a mother I know that would hurt if my son said he loved some band
more than me.

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imaginary? God isnt imaginary. and no offense to christina but she didnt heal my mother of
cancer and she wasnt there for me and heal me during my difficult pregnancy in fact
christina really hasnt done squat for me accept maybe some inspiring music. but that wasnt
even for me personally.
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Well we don't believe in god, so why not put her before something you don't believe?
You dont believe that a force greater than you, a force you cannot see and touch is the
maker, the maintainer, the almighty of this world. If you feel such a force, appreciate it and
name it God. You won't be a disbeliever then. Have you never felt blessed, lucky,
intimidated by this universe or felt someone else is controlling your actions and lives? You
must have been touched atleast once in your life by such a feeling...
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imaginary? God isnt imaginary. and no offense to christina but she didnt heal my mother
of cancer and she wasnt there for me and heal me during my difficult pregnancy in fact
christina really hasnt done squat for me accept maybe some inspiring music. but that
wasnt even for me personally.
and how do you know that was god? how do you know it wasnt just some good luck
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You believe that only things you've seen exist? Sensation and feeling has been given to
human beings for a reason. Im sure you'd put Christina before Love. Coz surely love is by
all valid means imaginary. Have u ever touched love? Even the love u have for Xtina?
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healing from 5th stage cancer isnt luck. miraculous healing of carpel tunnel pain directly
after god speaking to me is not luck. all the blessings in my life and my families life is not
good luck. I know it was God because thats the beauty of being saved...you just know.
christina hasnt done anything for me personally so why would I put her before my god...
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You believe that only things you've seen exist? Sensation and feeling has been given to
human beings for a reason. Im sure you'd put Christina before Love. Coz surely love is by
all valid means imaginary. Have u ever touched love? Even the love u have for Xtina?
touche!
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Let me tell you this quote from a famous literary person:
"When I pray, coincidences happen. When I don't, they don't"
And good luck is what comes from God. And wait isnt good luck imaginary?

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touche!
Sarcasm?
PHEW! God won.
Oh Allah, Don't be angry and please forgive the naysayers in this thread. You're the best.
xxxca Jun 4th, 2007 07:38 AM
Who are you to say that?...People dont idolze her around here....LOL....Shes Judas around
here...to alot of peeps....But to answer your question....NO... This is a question for lambs....
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This is defo the thread of the month!!!!:D
Most Entertaining since the COliel incident.

Stripped713 is the new Guess and I love her :love::kiss:
And guess who started it? I mean it turned into something I totally didn't intend for, but I'm
still satisfied. To all you haters of wanthony86 out there...enough said.
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At least I didn't intend for it to be this serious.

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That's just adorable. It's true though. You go girl!
Somethings are better left alone. Everything doesnt have to be fodder for jokes and fun.
Things like mothers, God, race issues. Getting people bothered about them arent worth the
laugh. Same thing for when people cite "independence of speech" for the slight they bring
upon other people.
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That's just adorable. It's true though. You go girl!
Dude. :nc:
Lynzie2000jt Jun 4th, 2007 08:10 AM
christina=God=legend
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Dude. :nc:
I'm so sorry. I wasn't sure, with the picture being black and white, it was hard to tell.
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Somethings are better left alone. Everything doesnt have to be fodder for jokes and fun.
Things like mothers, God, race issues. Getting people bothered about them arent worth
the laugh. Same thing for when people cite "independence of speech" for the slight they
bring upon other people.
Just so you know, that wasn't my intention at all. I had no idea it was going to explode into
such a lengthy aggressive battle between believers and non-believers. I was just simply
wondering if any fellow believers felt they were "loving" Christina more than God when
they're not supposed to. That's all. I hope nobody was too offended and I hope everybody
learned something from this. I wish everybody the best. Good night.
Îf thats so, Im sorry :)
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christina=God=legend
:rolleye2:
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Îf thats so, Im sorry :)
No problem. I can't even imagine what it's like to live in Pakistan. I'm from the U.S.

ûmmm how is that related?
Lynzie2000jt Jun 4th, 2007 09:08 AM
Christina Aguilegend!!!!!!!!!!!
elliott Jun 4th, 2007 12:32 PM
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huh? :susp2:
what? god is a rapist and a murderer.
as far as i know christina is not
so i think christina wins this one hands down
Diamond_City Jun 4th, 2007 12:41 PM
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You seriously need help. I know you only posted this to push buttons, and well, good for
you you did. Christina doesn't give one fart about you. She couldn't care less if you were a
fan or not. If you died Christina wouldn't know, and she probably wouldn't care to know.
So you need to rethink things.
Aren't the "Is God Real" disscussions old yet!?!?! Why is religion taken so seriously. If you
believe in a higher power good, if you don't fine. It's so stupid for the world to keep having
this disscussion. I'm a Christian, and I've been friends with many atheists, and it's not
hurting me. I do not judge people.
We should not judge people by their religion or race. This thread should be closed for
stupidity. You can't change a Christian mind, and you can't change an atheist mind. That
should be it.
And like I said before, don't put Christina Aguilera before anyone you know and care
about. Because Christina isn't putting you over her husband, her mother, sisters and
brothers, any of her other relatives, or the GOD in which she believes and serves.
Remember that.
Babar Jun 4th, 2007 12:48 PM
Êxactly DiamondCity
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you you did. Christina doesn't give one fart about you. She couldn't care less if you were
a fan or not. If you died Christina wouldn't know, and she probably wouldn't care to
know. So you need to rethink things.
well im only saying that god is a rapist and a murderer cause he is. most people just tend to
forget the countless terrible acts their kind loving and just god did. christians just ram that
god wants to save you from god crap and god loves you to no end, opressing millions along
the way. and you are wrong about one thing, i can judge christians all i want cause they are
retarded. you can tell the bible isnt real by so many different ways and they are to stupid to
realize it (or to scared? i mean god said he loves those who fear him, which i think is
beyond insane). i have no respect for people who worship a god who tortures his own
creations for all eternity etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. i swear just thinking about all the things this
god of theirs has done (not to mention that he split himself in 3 different versions and then
had them all war with eachother) it just makes my head spin, and im supposed to worship
this ****. ill worship christina anyday. shes a goddess
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well im only saying that god is a rapist and a murderer cause he is. most people just tend
to forget the countless terrible acts their kind loving and just god did. christians just ram
that god wants to save you from god crap and god loves you to no end, opressing millions
along the way. and you are wrong about one thing, i can judge christians all i want cause
they are retarded. you can tell the bible isnt real by so many different ways and they are
to stupid to realize it (or to scared? i mean god said he loves those who fear him, which i
think is beyond insane). i have no respect for people who worship a god who tortures his
own creations for all eternity etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. i swear just thinking about all the
things this god of theirs has done (not to mention that he split himself in 3 different
versions and then had them all war with eachother) it just makes my head spin, and im
supposed to worship this ****. ill worship christina anyday. shes a goddess
Ok, so when you have a daughter, and someone rapes and kills her, try bringing God to a
trial instead of the guy who did it. Christina doesn't give a damn about you.

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Ok, so when you have a daughter, and someone rapes and kills her, try bringing God to a
trial instead of the guy who did it. Christina doesn't give a damn about you.
well im talking a little more of god commanding his people to rape thousands. and then
when his people said "hey not all of us had virgins to rape" they were sent to a festival
where they waited beside the road and kidnapped and raped all the virgins that passed by.
though i dont know why id say a make believe supreme being raped my daughter, thats just
silly. and like id go to court haha. our justice system is a joke
Im sure Jesus Christ-ina will keep their daughter's vagina all safe and unpopped.
Im not a christian, so I wont judge or comment on that, but dont slight sprituality if u arent
happy with ur own religion.
Princess Serenity Jun 4th, 2007 01:18 PM
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well, I honestly believe you have a tainted view of the Christian God, he is the same God
as the Jewish God, or Muslim God or acutaly HIndi God, which I find pretty cool. I do
understand that some forms of christianity paints a rather nasty picture of God and I'm
with you. Why would God have no compassion?
If he is indeed omnipotent and allows people to die in agony every day - many of them
faithful christians PLEADING for a miracle - that shows no compassion. If he would allow
good people to go to hell, that shows no compassion.
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healing from 5th stage cancer isnt luck. miraculous healing of carpel tunnel pain directly
after god speaking to me is not luck. all the blessings in my life and my families life is not
good luck. I know it was God because thats the beauty of being saved...you just know.
christina hasnt done anything for me personally so why would I put her before my god...
Then I'm happy for you/your mother, but that just highlights one of the reasons I dislike
your god. You get 'healed'. Millions of others - people MORE faithful than you - don't have
that luxury. It's a cruel game.
^Thats called life. We all have our demons. Your life isnt easier or problem free just coz u
dont give a toot about God.
What? :nc: That's completely irrelevant to everything I said. I never once claimed that being
an atheist means your life is perfect :manson:
Well then u cant also claim that people are getting nothing out of believing in God.
What? :confused: I have no idea what you're talking about. Atheists don't have more or less
problems than theists.
Libra Jun 4th, 2007 02:16 PM
LMAO ... First a Legend and now she's GOD!!!!:rolleye2: :rolleye2: :rolleye2:
jade. Jun 4th, 2007 02:17 PM
Christina, I don't believe in God. :nc:
jackiem Jun 4th, 2007 02:21 PM
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If he is indeed omnipotent and allows people to die in agony every day - many of them
faithful christians PLEADING for a miracle - that shows no compassion. If he would
allow good people to go to hell, that shows no compassion.
I honestly don't believe tht He allows good people to go to hell. He has allowed free will
and peole have taken that to heart and that is why people may die in agony. People are not
meant to live forever. My grandma died recently, she was suffering so much from cancer,
she died basically from a mistake in the hopsital, but as we went back to her house and
sifter thourgh her stuff she transcribed this peacefull poem about death. Nothing in this
world is perfect, and she died because of her free will because she smoked for so long. You
bring up a very valid point, there really are countless examples of people dying in agony.
The miracle is that we believe after this life, you have eternal life in peace and happiness,
so you might leave this world in agony but you move on to one much better. Maybe
because of the way you left the world you will appreciate the new one much more.
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I honestly don't believe tht He allows good people to go to hell. He has allowed free will
and peole have taken that to heart and that is why people may die in agony. People are
not meant to live forever. My grandma died recently, she was suffering so much from
cancer, she died basically from a mistake in the hopsital, but as we went back to her
house and sifter thourgh her stuff she transcribed this peacefull poem about death.
Nothing in this world is perfect, and she died because of her free will because she smoked
for so long. You bring up a very valid point, there really are countless examples of people
dying in agony. The miracle is that we believe after this life, you have eternal life in
peace and happiness, so you might leave this world in agony but you move on to one
much better. Maybe because of the way you left the world you will appreciate the new
one much more.
But many of the people who die or get hurt in horrific ways haven't done anything wrong.
It's not as simple as 'you smoke, you get cancer, you die' (though I admit I have a little less
sympathy in those cases, as bad as that sounds).
Do you believe that you're going to hell if you don't believe in god? Honest question, just
wondering if you're on the same page as stripped713. Otherwise I respect your logic even if
I don't agree with it. The logic of 'if you don't agree with me you're going to hell' is
something I can't respect, because I believe that someone who supports a god who would
allow good people to go to hell is not a good person.
Moe Jun 4th, 2007 02:25 PM
Oh GOD... No question >>> GOD
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But many of the people who die or get hurt in horrific ways haven't done anything wrong.
It's not as simple as 'you smoke, you get cancer, you die' (though I admit I have a little
less sympathy in those cases, as bad as that sounds).
Do you believe that you're going to hell if you don't believe in god? Honest question, just
wondering if you're on the same page as stripped713. Otherwise I respect your logic even
if I don't agree with it. The logic of 'if you don't agree with me you're going to hell' is
something I can't respect, because I believe that someone who supports a god who would
allow good people to go to hell is not a good person.
I believe you can get to heaven without a belief in God. It really bothers me whne people
say Christ is the only way to heaven and basically bash every relgion but their own.
Suffering can make people much stronger, but I still understand where you are coming
from. That is a mystery of God and something we won't quite grasp until way later.
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I believe you can get to heaven without a belief in God. It really bothers me whne people
say Christ is the only way to heaven and basically bash every relgion but their own.
Suffering can make people much stronger, but I still understand where you are coming
from. That is a mystery of God and something we won't quite grasp until way later.
Good. I can fully respect that :love: I admire people who can come to that conclusion. It
just defies logic to me that good people would get a one way ticket to hell, especially when
a lot of good people aren't Christians for good reasons (e.g. I think Christianity is harmful
to people - would it make me a better person and more worthy of heaven if I supported
something I thought was harmful?). :crazy:
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Good. I can fully respect that :love: I admire people who can come to that conclusion. It
just defies logic to me that good people would get a one way ticket to hell, especially
when a lot of good people aren't Christians for good reasons (e.g. I think Christianity is
harmful to people - would it make me a better person and more worthy of heaven if I
supported something I thought was harmful?). :crazy:
I agree with you that some forms of Christianity can be harmful but you can find that in any
religion when people take things to extremes. Christinity is not harmful to me and I know
many others that it is not to, so it cna be harmful but not always is that the case.
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where they waited beside the road and kidnapped and raped all the virgins that passed
by.
though i dont know why id say a make believe supreme being raped my daughter, thats
just silly. and like id go to court haha. our justice system is a joke
You had to be smoking weed when you typed this. Because it makes not one lick of
sense. :crazy:
Hemingway Jun 4th, 2007 03:21 PM
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Then I'm happy for you/your mother, but that just highlights one of the reasons I dislike
your god. You get 'healed'. Millions of others - people MORE faithful than you - don't
have that luxury. It's a cruel game.
I think this is somewhat a corrupted view. You reap what you sow. Even if you don't
necessarily believe in a Christian God but you DO believe in a higher being, the energy you
are creating through prayer may be part of what creates the healing. Things like this
actually seem to work.
What you are saying is defeatist, like refusing to work hard and go to school and then bitch
that its not fair that you have a sucky job. :o
Spirituality is underrated.
~Jenna~ Jun 4th, 2007 03:51 PM
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well, i voted for christina cuz i dont believe in god, there was a time i went to church every
friggin week for like 7 years, me and my dad were the only 2 ppl in our family who
believed in god, and i needed him ONCE in my life and he didnt show any sign of his
presence, and he didnt answer my prayer eventhough i needed someone like him ALOT... i
lost my faith in him, christina is my god right now, even though im realy aware of the fact
that she's human :)
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Originally Posted by ~Jenna~

well, i voted for christina cuz i dont believe in god, there was a time i went to church
every friggin week for like 7 years, me and my dad were the only 2 ppl in our family who
believed in god, and i needed him ONCE in my life and he didnt show any sign of his
presence, and he didnt answer my prayer eventhough i needed someone like him ALOT...
i lost my faith in him, christina is my god right now, even though im realy aware of the
fact that she's human :)
What if its your religion that has failed you? For years Hindus have worshiped stones, and a
few of them found it useless and tried looking for God elsewhere. And succeeded. Dont
lose hope. He's here. With Me. With You.
HighHeeledHO Jun 4th, 2007 04:00 PM
:manson:
U summarized the thread HighHeeledHo ! :)
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What if its your religion that has failed you? For years Hindus have worshiped stones,
and a few of them found it useless and tried looking for God elsewhere. And succeeded.
Dont lose hope. He's here. With Me. With You.
woh. that is kinda racist.

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woh. that is kinda racist.
I know. That was really tough for me to write. I didnt mean to be racist. Just wanted to let
that person know that God is there. Sprituality exists. Just your way of approaching him
(religion) is what causes so much problems.
nah, i stop looking for him, im done with all the god stuff... i dont need him anymore now
though, its too late
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nah, i stop looking for him, im done with all the god stuff... i dont need him anymore now
though, its too late
it's never too late
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it's never too late
he killed my dad, so it IS too late
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I'm guessing you feel that God killed your father. I'm sorry to hear about the loss of your
father, it's never too late but I guess I can see that if you truly believe that it would be really
hard to havve faith so I see why you feel that it is too late. Again, I'm very sorry about your
father.
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I'm guessing you feel that God killed your father. I'm sorry to hear about the loss of your
father, it's never too late but I guess I can see that if you truly believe that it would be
really hard to havve faith so I see why you feel that it is too late. Again, I'm very sorry
about your father.
im glad u understand where im coming from...
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im glad u understand where im coming from...
aw. Im very sorry to hear about that. I abandoned God for years, now I have come back.
But whether that happens to you will only be by your life experiences, not what someone
tells you on a website. I do wish you the best and I hope you realise that he (your father) is
watching over you. :)
nickerbockerzzz Jun 4th, 2007 04:37 PM
God!
Claudia_ Jun 4th, 2007 04:51 PM
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Since I don't give two sh*ts about Jesus, my vote goes to Christina. :D
couldn't have said it any better myself

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Its late for him, not you.
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Its late for him, not you.
nah, i dont need/want a god anymore, IF he exists then he showed me he's heartless and a
jerk
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nah, i dont need/want a god anymore, IF he exists then he showed me he's heartless and a
jerk
Aww come on, everyone dies. If everyone hadnt died, humans would multiply like rodents
and we'd be killing each other to have space for our asses on this planet. This is the system.
You will die too.
jimmyboy Jun 4th, 2007 05:08 PM
This is till going :roll: I hope this thread doesn't get deleted because I posted quite a few
posts here.. That'd affect my post account and with that, my status as a no-life member and
all...
I pray to go ti doesn't get deleted!!!!! I mean, it's a little task.. It's not like he's busy saving
the kids starving to death in Africa :nc:

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This is till going :roll: I hope this thread doesn't get deleted because I posted quite a few
posts here.. That'd affect my post account and with that, my status as a no-life member
and all...
I pray to go ti doesn't get deleted!!!!! I mean, it's a little task.. It's not like he's busy
saving the kids starving to death in Africa :nc
No, that was the Catholics who were preventing AIDS cures back in 1600.:funny:
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Aww come on, everyone dies. If everyone hadnt died, humans would multiply like rodents
and we'd be killing each other to have space for our asses on this planet. This is the
system. You will die too.
i know i will die, i just hope "god" wont let me suffer as long as "he" let my dad suffer and i
hope "he" wont take my life as soon as "he" took away my dads life!
but let's talk about how much u believe in god and how much u love him as soon as he does
the same thing to u and ur family as he did to mine!
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No, that was the Catholics who were preventing AIDS cures back in 1600.:funny:
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read SerenityXs comment from yesterday
KittyCA Jun 4th, 2007 05:18 PM
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The fact of the matter is that I disbelieve in the Christian god for good reasons. For
reasons born of compassion. Really. If you support a god who punishes goodness and
compassion by sending someone to scream in agony for all eternity you are one of the
most terrible, vile and despicable people I could ever imagine.
Atheists do my head in. Some of them are so ass-backgrounds and hypocritical... it's
mindblowing to me.
This world is imperfect just as our own human nature is flawed. Where else would we get
the opportunity to exercise free will if evil and hardship did not exist in our world? You
chose to do good, but you would have never had that morale stature had you not been faced
with some adversity or evil actions.
Why should God have mercy on people who don't even acknowledge his existence and his
inherent right over you as a part of his creation? I don't believe in the Christian God
because I don't think any man or woman can gain salvation through the suffering of an
innocent man as they claim happened to Jesus. (Trinitarian Christians give me a headache
as well -_-)
As Atheists, you can have no belief in anything but ultimately your ideology is so
hypocritical in the way you condemn people who do believe in God through their religious
faith. At the end of the day, that's all you Atheists have as well: Faith in the fact that you
THINK God does not exist, which is something you cannot prove on any level.
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read SerenityXs comment from yesterday
Bleh... To lazy to go look for them...
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Originally Posted by KittyCA

Why should God have mercy on people who don't even acknowledge his existence and his
inherient right over you as a part of his creation? I don't believe in the Christian God
because I don't think any man or woman can gain salvation trhough the suffering of an
innocent man as they claim happened to jesus. (Trinitarian Christians gives me ahead-
ache as well -_-)
The apparently omnipotent Christian god doesn't have mercy on people who believe
wholeheartedly in him and worship him and plead for help with absolute faith while
enduring absolute agony, so I certainly don't expect him to have the compassion to have
mercy on people who don't. I accept that fact. What I don't respect is that people can openly
acknowledge that theory (ala stripped 713) and agree and appreciate it and still think they're
worshipping a good god.
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As Atheists, you can have no belief in anything but ultimately your ideology is so
hypocritical in the way you condemn people who do believe in God through their
religious faith. At the end of the day, that's all you Atheists have as well: Faith in the fact
that you THINK God does not exist, which is something you cannot prove on any level.
Atheism is defined by a lack of faith. Please get your facts straight. Likewise, even if we
were to take the twisted definition of it as a faith in nothing (which is a lack of faith, lmfao)
it's still not a religion, and it is religion that I have the problem with (primarily christianity)
and not faith. I wish there were more people of individual faith and less following
christianity just because it's convenient and you don't have to think for yourself about what
rules to follow and what not to. I support faith, but I am a vehement anti-theist.
Next time, don't you dare go all out attacking atheists when your post is more intolerant
than the majority of atheistic posts in this thread.
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i know i will die, i just hope "god" wont let me suffer as long as "he" let my dad suffer
and i hope "he" wont take my life as soon as "he" took away my dads life!
but let's talk about how much u believe in god and how much u love him as soon as he
does the same thing to u and ur family as he did to mine!
If something that unfortunate happens to me, I'll go crazy with pain and loss if not the
thought of God to sustain me.
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If something that unfortunate happens to me, I'll go crazy with pain and loss if not the
thought of God to sustain me.
sure... we'll see...
Dont u be coming after my mother now.

Rotf @ 5 people not loving either :roll: And I can almost tell at least 2 or 3 of them...
Stripped713 Jun 4th, 2007 05:39 PM
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Sarcasm?
no no sarcasm I am on your side.
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a rapist and a murderer? what does he rape women with his spiritual penis? does he stab
people with his spiritual hand? wtf are u even talking about.
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you you did. Christina doesn't give one fart about you. She couldn't care less if you were
a fan or not. If you died Christina wouldn't know, and she probably wouldn't care to
know. So you need to rethink things.
exactly in the end christina doesnt know or care about any of us here. However the father
knows every hair on your head and they are numbered. God knows and loves each one of
his children.
junio Jun 4th, 2007 05:45 PM
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Jesus is God?? :scratch:
Aren't all three one and the same? Or is that the heretics' saying?
Me, I'm not religious, but I feel so moved. And I'm audi.
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where they waited beside the road and kidnapped and raped all the virgins that passed
by.
though i dont know why id say a make believe supreme being raped my daughter, thats
just silly. and like id go to court haha. our justice system is a joke
lol did they actually say that in the bible? that they didnt have virgins to rape? or didnt have
virgins to sleep with? your forgetting dear the bible times were very different from now and
it was basically "be fruitful and multiply" Im not saying its right that there were slaves, and
unequality for women but it was different times and everyone that lives back then was
accustomed to it. I mean think about it in todays world there are STILL countries and
cultures that treat women as objects, they gigve 10 year old girls away in marriage, and
mutilate womens genitals so they cant enjoy sex...and to us thats wrong but in their culture
its ok and 9 times out of 1o you try to help a country like that and they refuse because thats
their culture and its what they belive to be ok among that culture. stuff in the bible was no
different. thats just the way it was back then, if a man wanted to lay with a woman than
thats what they did. you cant blame God for that.
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a rapist and a murderer? what does he rape women with his spiritual penis? does he stab
people with his spiritual hand? wtf are u even talking about.
With his spiritual and unexistent penis & hand... Just correcting :p
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mercy on people who don't.
People who go through hardship do so for a reason. I don't fear death and living through
suffering in this world is something we have to endure. This world is not PERFECT and the
creation within it, will suffer as a result. That's how we were made. We get sick. We get
hurt. We die. Those people who manage to hold on to their faith even though all the
bull**** will be relived and compensated for their suffering. That is what WE choose to
believe. You can laugh at it and think what you want. It doesn't change anything. Your
position is no more provable by any means available in this entire ****ed up world. So
don't sit there with your absolutes like you got some wonderful insight that has any factual
foundation.
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Atheism is defined by a lack of faith.
Lack of faith in WHAT? GOD! Let's not get into semantics here.
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Please get your facts straight. Likewise, even if we were to take the twisted definition of it
as a faith in nothing (which is a lack of faith, lmfao)
And I said: "you can have no belief in anything"
What the bloody heck is the difference? :crazy: Are you just arguing for the sake of it?
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it's still not a religion, and it is religion that I have the problem with.
I never said it was a religion. I called what you think an "ideology" that RELIES on faith to
substantiate your claim that their is no Creator and that we all came from nothing. What
you think can't be proven. What you think can be WRONG. Therefore, a certain amount
of faith is required for you to hold your Atheist viewpoint.
You do not have absolute certainty so stop acting like you do.
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Wow. You have a lot of nerve. You spent several posts in this thread calling what I believe
in as "disgusting" "evil", "uncompassionate" "merciless" "awful"...etc.
I called you hypocritical and I explained why.
You have a serious issue of misplaced anger and perhaps a need for some "alone time".
Stop flipping out and relax. When you die, regret is a bitter pill to swallow.
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sure... we'll see...
I can guarantee you that people have faith in God who have been in worse situations. You
can give up on God all you want but He never gives up on any of us.
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suffering in this world is something we have to endure. This world is not PERFECT and
the creation within it, will suffer as a result. That's how we were made. We get sick. We
get hurt. We die. Those people who manage to hold on to their faith even though all the
don't sit there with your absolutes like you got some wonderful insight that has any
factual foundation.
Then good for you. I have never 'laughed at it', nor have I ever claimed that my position is
provable. I think you need to relax.
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Yes? And? A lack of faith in god is NOT faith that there is nothing. That's like saying no
proof of X is definitive proof of Y. I hate it when people get into an argument and throw
around terms they don't understand - you don't know what 'faith' actually is or what atheism
actually means, and Stripped 713 doesn't know what a religion is :manson:
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I never said it was a religion. I called what you think an "ideology" that RELIES on faith
to substantiate your claim that their is no Creator and that we all came from nothing.
What you think can't be proven. What you think can be WRONG. Therefore, a certain
amount of faith is required for you to hold your Atheist viewpoint.
Atheism does not RELY on FAITH. Atheism relies on having NO faith. There is a very
vast chasm of a difference.
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Wow. You have a lot of nerve. You spent several posts in this thread calling what I
believe in as "disgusting" "evil", "uncompassionate" "merciless" "awful"...etc.
I never attacked a person (except for stripped713, but that's another story). If you can't
handle that I think your god is foul, that's not my problem. I'm not here to sugarcoat my
opinions for you because you can't handle someone disagreeing with you. If you are so firm
in what you believe in, why do you care what I think? If you're so firm in your beilefs, you
know I'm wrong.
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Misplaced? If you knew what I've been through you would discover it's in exactly the right
place. Don't make assumptions.
Likewise, my only anger in this thread was towards stripped713 for being such a foul
person that she told me I'm going to hell. I got on fine with other people, e.g. me and
jackiem came to a mutually happy end.
[O_o]Darius?! Jun 4th, 2007 06:01 PM
Im mad ya'll woke up and started this **** again.
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mercy on people who don't. I accept that fact. What I don't respect is that people can
openly acknowledge that theory (ala stripped 713) and agree and appreciate it and still
think they're worshipping a good god.
Atheism is defined by a lack of faith. Please get your facts straight. Likewise, even if we
were to take the twisted definition of it as a faith in nothing (which is a lack of faith,
lmfao) it's still not a religion, and it is religion that I have the problem with (primarily
christianity) and not faith. I wish there were more people of individual faith and less
following christianity just because it's convenient and you don't have to think for yourself
about what rules to follow and what not to. I support faith, but I am a vehement anti-
theist.
you really have a one track mind you know. You expect freedome and yet not the
consequences of bad choices. God made this world...man has corupted it, God made sex,
man has corrupted it, God made humor man has corrupted it, God made everything and
man has corrupted it. See satan wants to hurt God but since he cant hurt him directly he
hurts that which he cares about the most, this world and all the people and things in it. It
says in the bible that satan comes to kill steal and destroy not God. God loves us. But his
power is limited to our freedom of choice. and because of the wrong choices of others and
the courrption of this world it gets to even those who do belive in God. It rains on the just
and the unjust alike. You see before adam and eve sinned there was no death, no pain, no
agony no sin. But they MADE A CHOICE and introbuded sin into this world and its the sin
that drags people down with it.
Its a shame and Im sure it Hurts God. But as I said before his power is limited by our
choices and our faith. A person can belive in God all their life, if they have no faith in the
healing of the word or the power of christ...they can fall victim to the sickness and sin of
this world. But you know what i belive carried my mother through cancer???the fact that
not once did I say "shes dying" not once did I say "the lord works in mysterious ways and if
its her time to go then its her time to go" and all that crap, not once did I let go of my faith.
and it says in the bible that we should have faith so that we can remove mountains and
speak healing not curses. So I not once let my faith fall and she lived. I somehow doubt she
would have all on her own since at that point she didnt care if she did die and her faith was
so small. But I understand how hard it must be for non beliveres to see children die and
christians die and all the pain and sickness and heartache in this world and then try to belive
that any God could let that happen. Well I serve a loving God who made this world and to
his dissapointment satan has corrupted it through man.
You gotta stop thinking of God as this guy up in heaven with a fly swatter and think of his
as a father. I mean my dad loves me, he doesnt wanna see me sin, doesnt wanna see me hurt
or cry or be in pain. But he also cant run my life for me. he cant change the world I live in,
he has to let everyone make their choices including me.
I like when you speak your mind KittyCA:) So well put together.
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With his spiritual and unexistent penis & hand... Just correcting :p
yah im pretty sure god doesnt have hands or a penis lol.
Enter.The.Circus Jun 4th, 2007 06:02 PM
Oh lord. :noway:
good post mal I think that's your name. I've never been on the same side of adisagreement
with you.
I forgot to add this, but for people who don't believe in God, how do they really think life
began? Some miracolous thing had to happen from something to come from nothing, right?
kristina Jun 4th, 2007 06:05 PM
This thread is a mess.

Fighting about religion is more redundant than politics.
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Im mad ya'll woke up and started this **** again.
Rotf.. .I know :laugh:
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we did come to an agreement but I have to agree with Mal in that you have a very mixed up
view of Christianity and it must be deeply rooted.
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suffering in this world is something we have to endure. This world is not PERFECT and
the creation within it, will suffer as a result. That's how we were made. We get sick. We
get hurt. We die. Those people who manage to hold on to their faith even though all the
don't sit there with your absolutes like you got some wonderful insight that has any
factual foundation.
And I said: "you can have no belief in anything"
What the bloody heck is the difference? :crazy: Are you just arguing for the sake of it?
I never said it was a religion. I called what you think an "ideology" that RELIES on faith
to substantiate your claim that their is no Creator and that we all came from nothing.
What you think can't be proven. What you think can be WRONG. Therefore, a certain
amount of faith is required for you to hold your Atheist viewpoint.
You do not have absolute certainty so stop acting like you do.
Wow. You have a lot of nerve. You spent several posts in this thread calling what I
believe in as "disgusting" "evil", "uncompassionate" "merciless" "awful"...etc.
I called you hypocritical and I explained why.
man good points and I agree. she did the same thing to me telling me how ignorant I am
and how Im a terrible person and my god is foul ect ect. but you made a good point because
earlier I was discussing the fact that evolution is a religion but you made an excellent point
that a belife in no god is also based on nothing mother than an idea, a theory or opinion
based on nothing factual or proven,.that would make it religious. I tried to point out to her
earlier how evolution follows the same catagory.,.a bunch of people that belive and follow a
story based on no scientific fact or proof. Just a bunch of stories, ideas and pictures
diagrams that any joe can draw.
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good post mal I think that's your name. I've never been on the same side of adisagreement
with you.
I forgot to add this, but for people who don't believe in God, how do they really think life
began? Some miracolous thing had to happen from something to come from nothing,
right?
Well, the where does god come from? Who created god? Another god? I have never
understood that so enlight me please :)
tommyboy612 Jun 4th, 2007 06:09 PM
really? REEEEALLY?
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Its a shame and Im sure it Hurts God. But as I said before his power is limited by our
choices and our faith. A person can belive in God all their life, if they have no faith in
the healing of the word or the power of christ...they can fall victim to the sickness and
sin of this world
But there are people. There are people who know nothing BUT god, who believe in nothing
BUT god, who wholeheartedly believe that they can be healed. They die.
Yet there are people who don't believe in god who wake up one day, miraculously healed.
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You gotta stop thinking of God as this guy up in heaven with a fly swatter and think of
his as a father. I mean my dad loves me, he doesnt wanna see me sin, doesnt wanna see
me hurt or cry or be in pain. But he also cant run my life for me. he cant change the world
I live in, he has to let everyone make their choices including me.
Then god is not omnipotent? That's what you're telling me?
God can perform miracles. Apparently he did one for you. Yet he directly choses not to do
them for other people. How can you support such a god, knowing that he has the power and
the option to save so many believers from suffering, but willfully choses not to?
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Well, the where does god come from? Who created god? Another god? I have never
understood that so enlight me please :)
It is God, God always was, it is the part of a miracle. It can be explained as a miracle. That
may not be scientific but something coming from nothing is not either.
Chicken or the egg?
Make a choice. Move on. The end?
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man good points and I agree. she did the same thing to me telling me how ignorant I am
and how Im a terrible person and my god is foul ect ect. but you made a good point
because earlier I was discussing the fact that evolution is a religion but you made an
excellent point that a belife in no god is also based on nothing mother than an idea, a
theory or opinion based on nothing factual or proven,.that would make it religious. I
tried to point out to her earlier how evolution follows the same catagory.,.a bunch of
people that belive and follow a story based on no scientific fact or proof. Just a bunch of
stories, ideas and pictures diagrams that any joe can draw.
Actually, I only did that to you. You are the only person in this thread who I believe to be a
bad person. I respect everyone else, e.g. jackiem, and respect their beliefs even if I disagree.
Don't generalise what I said.
And you are wrong about evolution being a religion. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. Not
up for debate.
Likewise, atheism/agnosticism is not a faith, it's a lack of faith. A lack of faith does not a
faith make. That's like saying you have faith in no unicorns. You don't. You just don't have
faith in them because there's no evidence.
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we did come to an agreement but I have to agree with Mal in that you have a very mixed
up view of Christianity and it must be deeply rooted.
Serenity. I am not telling you that you are going to hell. I was very clear in saying thats
between you and God and that theres always room for change. You asked me a question
and I gave you an honest answer. That good deeds do not get you into heaven according to
the Bible and my faith and religion. By all means belive what you wish I cant tell you what
to belive or not to belive. By all means study othe religions because some actually think if
you do good things on earth you go to heaven. But you asked me a question and I gave you
the honest answer...the only I answer I personally know to be true.
It does not say in the bible do good deads and that will get you to heaven, it does not say
you can refuse to accept jesus but as long as you are a nice person (which i wouldnt even
try to play that card if I were you) you go to heaven, it does not say you can be an atheist
but as long as you live a good life you go to heaven. It says
For God so Loved the world that he gave his only begotton son, that whosoever believeth in
him shall not perish but have ever lasting life. thats all there is to it, Jesus is the only way.
thats all i can tell you. Im not trying to condemn you or hurt you Im just being honest and
upfront with you. Im not going to lie to you and then be responcible for you not knowing
the full truth of the gospel.
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It is God, God always was, it is the part of a miracle. It can be explained as a miracle.
That may not be scientific but something coming from nothing is not either.
Ok, I knew that was gonna be your answer. That's the common answer. I won't argue on
this, but before you start questioning somebody else's opinion on how everythign was
created, at least make sure you have a valid answer to the origin of god...
If god was always god, can't the universe always been universe as well? Just saying...
Non of us know for sure, so both ways are eithe delusional or true.. I mean one of both
sides is right, just choose yours and respect the other side..
Ok, enough for me.... I had never in my life dedicated this much time to god :noway:
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But there are people. There are people who know nothing BUT god, who believe in
nothing BUT god, who wholeheartedly believe that they can be healed. They die.
Yet there are people who don't believe in god who wake up one day, miraculously healed.
Then god is not omnipotent? That's what you're telling me?
God can perform miracles. Apparently he did one for you. Yet he directly choses not to
do them for other people. How can you support such a god, knowing that he has the
power and the option to save so many believers from suffering, but willfully choses not
to?
I neither explain nor understand those indiviual situations, I dont know the people they
were or the circumstances behind it. My dear alot of people go to church and say they
belive in God but were never saved. alot of people are just as confused as you are about
whats right and wrong and whats saved and not saved and religion and God and all in
between. I cant say what happened or why God didnt heal them, I dont know them or the
situation and Im not God. I can only tell you that satan has power too, power on this earth.
and God may perform miracles but he cant snap his finger and make the world like one
giant happy land. He cant change the way man has made this world and the people in it.
this explains it all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A
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this explains it all.
Amy is a god..... an alcoholic one though :nc:

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i don't think you understand my tone. it wasn't meant to be condescending more a question
of curiosity. I guess according to science it doesn't make sense to me or it isn't logical to me
that something always existed, if it was the universe that always existed then have humans
existed since the beginning as well, or did they appear?
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Actually, I only did that to you. You are the only person in this thread who I believe to be
a bad person. I respect everyone else, e.g. jackiem, and respect their beliefs even if I
disagree. Don't generalise what I said.
And you are wrong about evolution being a religion. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.
Not up for debate.
Likewise, atheism/agnosticism is not a faith, it's a lack of faith. A lack of faith does not a
faith make. That's like saying you have faith in no unicorns. You don't. You just don't
have faith in them because there's no evidence.
ok well in turn I dont respect you either. I still love you as God does, but I dont like you ro
respect you. I think you are rude and hipocritical, igorant and plan stupid. This whole know
it all attitude so you can blindly ignore logical reasoning I have put in front of you is clearly
just a stubborn personality and I really dont see the point in us carrying on this conversation
if we feel so strongly about eachother. is that acceptable to you? can you ignore my posts?
or is that too hard?
So basically you believe that god is not omnipotent, and is overwhelmed in power by satan,
who is capable of more than god is? :crazy:
I know people who were believers, who I thought were about as crazy as you, who
vehemently believed they would be helped. One is dead and one is hospitalised frequently,
not getting any better. I understand that god does not grant miracles to everyone who
believes and everyone who is suffering. With that understanding, I willfully reject the
christian god.
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haha funny tidbit you should know about

universe latin definition
Uni= single
Verse=spoken sentence
"and God said let there be..." and there was and it was good. :kiss:
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Then good for you. I have never 'laughed at it', nor have I ever claimed that my position
is provable. I think you need to relax.
You act like you have absolute certainity and you rely on science to explain away the
neccesity of a Creator, which would otherwise make your atheist viewpoint a ****ing
waste of time.
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Yes? And? A lack of faith in god is NOT faith that there is nothing. That's like saying no
proof of X is definitive proof of Y. I hate it when people get into an argument and throw
around terms they don't understand - you don't know what 'faith' actually is or what
atheism actually means, and Stripped 713 doesn't know what a religion is :manson:
You're just making a very simple matter so bloody confusing. So just STOP.
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Atheism does not RELY on FAITH. Atheism relies on having NO faith. There is a very
vast chasm of a difference.
You.could.be.WRONG. <<< THAT means you need faith to justify whatever the heck you
think. I believe in God and I have no way of proving that in any absolute way, therefore I
rely on faith. This is why I think you Atheists are so backgrounds and hypocritical. You
claim something that, logically, cannot make any sense. How can you say "I have a lack of
faith" ... "without any proof" ... and still claim faith is absent in your viewpoint?
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I never attacked a person (except for stripped713, but that's another story).
What she believes, more or less, I also believe. It was insulting and you have the NERVE to
turn it on me when you're acting like a rude little girl yourself?
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If you can't handle that I think your god is foul, that's not my problem.
And if you can't handle the fact that I think Atheists are so profoundly hypocritical and
morally debunked of any rationale thought because they're too arrogant to admit they rely
on faith to support their views... YOU deal with it. Don't tell me to not say what I have to
say. I didn't ask you to "sugar-coat" your opinions so why do you expect me to? You called
my God foul and disgusting... and you expect pleasantries as a response?
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Misplaced? If you knew what I've been through you would discover it's in exactly the
right place. Don't make assumptions.
You seem bothered. VERY bothered. I don't claim to know what you've gone through.
*shrugs*
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Your "anger" towards whoever you're conversing with has you insulting something I
believe in. Excuse me if I take exception and express my views on what I think of your
"lack of faith", which reeks of all kinds of hypocrisy.
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ok well in turn I dont respect you either. I still love you as God does, but I dont like you
ro respect you. I think you are rude and hipocritical, igorant and plan stupid. This whole
know it all attitude so you can blindly ignore logical reasoning I have put in front of you
is clearly just a stubborn personality and I really dont see the point in us carrying on this
conversation if we feel so strongly about eachother. is that acceptable to you? can you
ignore my posts? or is that too hard?
I think that you blindly ignore logical reasoning. Many of the things you have stated defy
logic, which is why I do not believe in them.
Likewise, you do not get to call me stupid - last time you said that you said 'your stupid'
which is laughable. Stupid because I don't agree with you, how mature :rolleye2: I'll accept
the rest, because I think you're hypocritical, ignorant, rude and absolutely patronising too,
but seriously :crazy: I would never have the audacity to call you stupid even if I think your
logic is wrong.
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So basically you believe that god is not omnipotent, and is overwhelmed in power by
satan, who is capable of more than god is? :crazy:
vehemently believed they would be helped. One is dead and one is hospitalised
frequently, not getting any better. I understand that god does not grant miracles to
everyone who believes and everyone who is suffering. With that understanding, I willfully
reject the christian god.
I never said most of that but am not surprised that you put words in my mouth since you
make a daily habit of it. so go ahead reject my god. Sorry thats your decision and once
again i ask you shall we end this conversation and ignore eachother or is that too hard for
you to do?
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i don't think you understand my tone. it wasn't meant to be condescending more a
question of curiosity. I guess according to science it doesn't make sense to me or it isn't
logical to me that something always existed, if it was the universe that always existed
then have humans existed since the beginning as well, or did they appear?
But do you seriously believe the Adam and Eve theory? I mean, two white people have sex
together and we eventually ended up with blacks and puerto ricans? C'mon
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I think that you blindly ignore logical reasoning. Many of the things you have stated defy
logic, which is why I do not believe in them.
Likewise, you do not get to call me stupid - last time you said that you said 'your stupid'
which is laughable. Stupid because I don't agree with you, how mature :rolleye2: I'll
accept the rest, because I think you're hypocritical, ignorant, rude and absolutely
patronising too, but seriously :crazy: I would never have the audacity to call you stupid
even if I think your logic is wrong.
but you did once call me a retarded child...oh yah between the two of us I think your the
one off the deep end. isnt retarded child the same if not worse than stupid? lol you crack me
up. just stop talking you only make yourself look worse.
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So basically you believe that god is not omnipotent, and is overwhelmed in power by
satan, who is capable of more than god is? :crazy:
vehemently believed they would be helped. One is dead and one is hospitalised
frequently, not getting any better. I understand that god does not grant miracles to
everyone who believes and everyone who is suffering. With that understanding, I willfully
reject the christian god.
you should seriously watch joan of arcadia, show about God tht brings up some of the very
questions you bring up. one of my fave episodes is in which this one kid ends up being put
in jail and joan feels like she screwed up his life, but without her interaction the kid was
going to shoot up the whole school. the point being that things might turn out bad but they
very well could have been even worse without God. Do you agree more with the
philosophy of the Jewish or Muslim God?
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i don't think you understand my tone. it wasn't meant to be condescending more a
question of curiosity. I guess according to science it doesn't make sense to me or it isn't
logical to me that something always existed, if it was the universe that always existed
then have humans existed since the beginning as well, or did they appear?
God, I can't leave this thread!!!!!
Ok, I knew what you meant, I didn't try to be condescending, well maybe a little :p, but my
point was there is no explanation yet.. You choose to believe and have faith that god (Who
has alwasy existed!), created everything... I choose to follow the scientific theories, even
when they have very little proof and many flaws.
I knew right from the beinning that this discussion was pointless and was going nowhere,
still I had to display my ignorance on a very delicate topic simply because while I'm not an
expert, I am sure god doesn't exist... Just like you are sure he does exists..
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haha funny tidbit you should know about
universe latin definition
Uni= single
Verse=spoken sentence
"and God said let there be..." and there was and it was good. :kiss:
No vid, no care...
jade. Jun 4th, 2007 06:24 PM
There is no proof of "god's" existence apart from the Bible which probably took someone
years to write so I don't get why people make a big deal over it.. bleh.
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But do you seriously believe the Adam and Eve theory? I mean, two white people have
sex together and we eventually ended up with blacks and puerto ricans? C'mon
are you darius? idk why I think that.
The idea of Adam and Eve is a story of creation. We don't know the races of adam and eve,
they could be asian or african for all we know. I do believe that God created humans.
You say you have a "lack of faith" .....IN WHAT? You have to qualify the statement for it
make any sense or have any relevance. Do you mean you have a lack of faith in everything?
If that's true, you must have a "lack of faith" in your own viewpoint. LMAO
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But do you seriously believe the Adam and Eve theory? I mean, two white people have
sex together and we eventually ended up with blacks and puerto ricans? C'mon
how do you know they were white? and further more youve seen animals give birth to
different color animals. my cat is gray and just had a cali, a black cat and orange in the
same litter. just think about things clearly, if one race of two humans gave birth to a bunch
of people and those people scattered to different regions of the earth (of which conditions
we are unknown to) and had to adapt to the culture, the environment and create their own
customes and languages then yes its quite possible.
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You act like you have absolute certainity and you rely on science to explain away the
neccesity of a Creator, which would otherwise make your atheist viewpoint a ****ing
waste of time.
Actually, I have stated repeatedly that I am open to the possibility of a higher being, but
there is no evidence to make me even begin to believe yet. I have also stated repeatedly,
that I willfully disbelieve in the Christian god, because I think if such a god existed, he
would not be a good one.
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You're just making a very simple matter so bloody confusing. So just STOP.
I'm sorry me clearing up the dictionary definition of faith and atheism is confusing :nc:
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You.could.be.WRONG. <<< THAT means you need faith to justify whatever the heck
you think. I believe in God and I have no way of proving that in any absolute way,
therefore I rely on faith. This is why I think you Atheists are so backgrounds and
hypocritical. You claim something that, logically, cannot make any sense. How can you
say "I have a lack of faith" ... "without any proof" ... and still claim faith is absent in your
viewpoint?
:crazy: Because faith IS absent. Do you know what the absence of faith is? Disbelief, which
is the view atheists take on god. I'm not stating an opinion here, I'm stating a fact. Atheism
is not a faith or a belief system, it's the LACK of one.
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What she believes, more or less, I also believe. It was insulting and you have the NERVE
to turn it on me when you're acting like a rude little girl yourself?
If you believe and support a god that sends good people to hell, then, I really have no wish
to be talking to you.
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And if you can't handle the fact that I think Atheists are so profoundly hypocritical and
morally debunked of any rationale thought because they're too arrogant to admit they rely
on faith to support their views... YOU deal with it. Don't tell me to not say what I have to
say. I didn't ask you to "sugar-coat" your opinions so why do you expect me to? You
called my God foul and disgusting... and you expect pleasantries as a response?
I can't handle it because you are factually wrong, and that's not up for debate. It's a FACT
that atheism is the lack of faith in a higher being. You are showing a complete lack of
comprehension of basic concepts here and you're not doing yourself any favours by digging
a bigger hole. At least I understand what I object to, I just disagree :crazy: Why is it that the
only people who don't understand what faith and religion are are you and the fundie?
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Your "anger" towards whoever you're conversing with has you insulting something I
believe in. Excuse me if I take exception and express my views on what I think of your
"lack of faith", which reeks of all kinds of hypocrisy.
I don't care :crazy: Honestly, I don't care if my opinion on religion is insulting to you. My
priority is not to please everyone.
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No vid, no care...
real mature:rolleye2:
i wonder what the debate would be like if that was my attitude...if I dont agree with it then
im not going to bother to read it.
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God, I can't leave this thread!!!!!
Ok, I knew what you meant, I didn't try to be condescending, well maybe a little :p, but
my point was there is no explanation yet.. You choose to believe and have faith that god
(Who has alwasy existed!), created everything... I choose to follow the scientific theories,
even when they have very little proof and many flaws.
I knew right from the beinning that this discussion was pointless and was going nowhere,
still I had to display my ignorance on a very delicate topic simply because while I'm not
an expert, I am sure god doesn't exist... Just like you are sure he does exists..
see I can respect that. I may think you are incorrect and hope that you come to find a
religion in a way that I have and pray for you. I can respect your opinion, in no way can I
change your mind, we can educate each other on our views so we can see each others points
more.
i used to think of God as win win situation. You believe in him and you go to heaven or you
believe in him and have peace and realize after death you were wrong. You can't lose? I no
longer believe that if you don't believe in God you automatically go to hell.
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Originally Posted by xtina_beautiful

There is no proof of "god's" existence apart from the Bible which probably took someone
years to write so I don't get why people make a big deal over it.. bleh.
The Bible is generally a load of rubbish. lol
There is no proof that God doesn't exist. That's where an element of faith is required for you
to think either way. You wanna say there is no God, then go right ahead. but there is no
way for you to prove that and you can end up being wrong. It goes both ways.
Atheists piss their pants at the mere utterance of the word "faith". I just find that hilarious.
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real mature:rolleye2:
i wonder what the debate would be like if that was my attitude...if I dont agree with it
then im not going to bother to read it.
Lol, don't take it too serioulsy.. I know when you come from.. we have read eachother for
the last 20 pages.. But if I would want to debate again, it'll take another 20 pages and
seriously, I'm tired of it...
I just wanted to light things up a bit :p
jade. Jun 4th, 2007 06:32 PM
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There is no proof that God doesn't exist. That's where an element of faith is required for
you to think either way. You wanna say there is no God, then go right ahead. but there is
no way for you to prove that and you can end up being wrong. It goes both ways.
Atheists piss their pants at the mere utterance of the word "faith". I just find that
hilarious.
True. :nod:
Atheists don't NEED to prove that there's no god. That's not our position. You are the ones
making claims of supernatural beings, the burden of proof lies solely upon you. All we have
to do to defend our position as atheists is prove that there's NO evidence of god's existence,
which is and always will be true. I don't know whether you can't understand the simple
concept or whether you just chose not to because then you have nothing to fall back on
:crazy:
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hilarious.
You choose to believe in something even when there is no proof of its existance.. We
choose no to believe in something without a proof of it being real...I don't want to say
which one sounds more logical..
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Atheists don't NEED to prove that there's no god. That's not our position. You are the
ones making claims of supernatural beings, the burden of proof lies solely upon you. All
we have to do to defend our position as atheists is prove that there's NO evidence of god's
existence, which is and always will be true. I don't know whether you can't understand
the simple concept or whether you just chose not to because then you have nothing to fall
back on :crazy:
I disagree with you proof lies on both sides. You don't have proof that there is no God and
we have no proof that there is.
I would love to know what you think of other monotheistic religions otehr than Christianity
since that is deeply rooted for reasons that you have not revealed.
This is slightly frustrating. We don't NEED to prove that there is no god.
- You believe in something (you have faith) with no proof

- We see no proof, and have no faith because there is no proof
I don't know how much simpler I can make it :crazy: To defend OUR position, we only
have to prove that there is no proof.
I have less of an opinion on other monotheistic religions because I know less about them. I
feel it would be ignorant of me to make firm opinions when I don't understand it like they
do. Christianity I understand very well (a lot better than I'd care to, actually) I just disagree
with the things that I understand.
Christina_Rulz Jun 4th, 2007 06:44 PM
GOD of course!
to believe in anything you need proof. it's not logical to say I believe in this with no proof.
you believe in X with no proof of the fact that X is true. X in this case is a lack of God. imo
it's the same thing we believe in God with no proof you believe in a lack of with no proof,
we are the same
Atheists don't believe that there is no god, specifically (a belief in no god). Atheists just
don't believe that there IS a god (disbelief in a god). With no evidence, the neutral
conclusion is that something doesn't exist. There is no evidence that god exists, therefore
atheists do not have to defend their position of disbelief, because a position of disbelief is
the neutral position.
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Actually, I have stated repeatedly that I am open to the possibility of a higher being, but
there is no evidence to make me even begin to believe yet. I have also stated repeatedly,
that I willfully disbelieve in the Christian god, because I think if such a god existed, he
would not be a good one.
What evidence is there to prove your viewpoint of "a lack of faith in a higher being"? There
is NONE.
I too do not believe in the Christian Triune God.
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I'm sorry me clearing up the dictionary definition of faith and atheism is confusing :nc:
You over-complicate things. It's just really unnecessary.
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:crazy: Because faith IS absent. Do you know what the absence of faith is? Disbelief,
which is the view atheists take on god. I'm not stating an opinion here, I'm stating a fact.
Atheism is not a faith or a belief system, it's the LACK of one.
And your lack of faith or disbelief is not an absolute one. You think you're right? You can't
prove it. But you still think your viewpoint is RIGHT. <<< If you CAN'T prove something
is true what else do you have left? FAITH or a BELIEF in the truth of your disbelief. Like I
said, you people are so ass-backgrounds and make no bloody sense.
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If you believe and support a god that sends good people to hell, then, I really have no
wish to be talking to you.
I believe in a Just and Righteous Lord that offers salvation to all who believe in him. He
created you, you denied him... and you expect what? Flowers and candies?
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I can't handle it because you are factually wrong, and that's not up for debate. It's a
FACT that atheism is the lack of faith in a higher being. You are showing a complete
lack of comprehension of basic concepts here and you're not doing yourself any favours
by digging a bigger hole. At least I understand what I object to, I just disagree :crazy:
Why is it that the only people who don't understand what faith and religion are are you
and the fundie?
You don't understand anything. That's the problem. You've deluded yourself into this
atheistic mindset that totally ****s with your mind.
You have a lack of faith in a God.
You cannot prove this.
Yet you still claim this viewpoint to be true.
Thus, the only way it can be true is through faith, which occupies the space where your
proof and evidence is supposed to be.
You have no proof and you no evidence.
All you have is faith in your disbelief.
^ It sounds ridiculous only because your viewpoint IS ridiculous.
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I don't care :crazy: Honestly, I don't care if my opinion on religion is insulting to you. My
priority is not to please everyone.
No one asked you to please anyone, certainly not me. lol
Just don't tell other people what they can and cannot say.
I still diagree, no matter how you want to word it to fit your explanation, atheist don't
believe in God, they believe in fact there is no God, but they have no evidence for this.
IMO GOd is the same in Christianity, Islam and Judiasm, therefore you still can come to
know my God even though you are so turned off by the "Christian" God.
I think at this point you and I are just going in circles. LOL
DiRrtyxX Jun 4th, 2007 06:52 PM
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hilarious.
O'rly? I do? News to me, cause I never have.
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But what you don't understand is that I'm not stating an opinion, I'm stating a fact. It's a fact
that a lack of belief is not a belief. Whether you like it or not, it's a fact that atheists are
defined by the absence of faith, and no amount of arguing will make you any less wrong.
Atheists don't believe in god because there's no proof. It's that simple. They don't 'believe in
no god' for no reason. They just don't believe in a god because they have no reason to.
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But what you don't understand is that I'm not stating an opinion, I'm stating a fact. It's a
fact that a lack of belief is not a belief. Whether you like it or not, it's a fact that atheists
are defined by the absence of faith, and no amount of arguing will make you any less
wrong.
Atheists don't believe in god because there's no proof. It's that simple. They don't 'believe
in no god' for no reason. They just don't believe in a god because they have no reason to.
mal stated it better than I could have. I would have done it in a less condescending way but
her point is beautifully stated
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We do not proof to prove that something doesn't exist!

If we'd be talking about something else you'll agree... You have faith, faith in something
that even though there is nothing that points out its existence, you still believe in it...
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mal stated it better than I could have. I would have done it in a less condescending way
but her point is beautifully stated
She and you are still wrong. It's not an opinion I'm stating here. It's a FACT that atheism is
not a belief, it's a LACK of belief. To put it in the nicest way possible... if neither of you
can understand that fact, it doesn't lend a whole lot of credence to your argument :nc:
Atheists see that there is no proof. Because there is no proof, they have no faith. No faith is
NOT a faith. No proof is NOT proof. Neither need to be proven by atheists, because
atheists have nothing to prove. You do.
It's no different to asking for direct proof that ghosts/vampires/leprechauns/unicorns don't

exist, and saying 'well if you have no proof that they don't exist, then they must exist!' In
fact, to be entirely fair, there is more direct evidence of the existence of ghosts than there is
of a god, so that was probably too generous a comparison for me to make.
Unicorns LOL

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Atheists don't NEED to prove that there's no god. That's not our position. You are the
ones making claims of supernatural beings, the burden of proof lies solely upon you. All
we have to do to defend our position as atheists is prove that there's NO evidence of god's
existence, which is and always will be true. I don't know whether you can't understand
the simple concept or whether you just chose not to because then you have nothing to fall
back on :crazy:
"Atheists just don't believe that there IS a god"
Disbelief is not a neutral position. Having NO position is a neutral position.
You have taken a side by claiming a lack of belief in a higher being.
Atheists try to justify their position by latching on to science to prove that God doesn't
exist. The very fact that you people do this screws up your little point of not needing proof.
Atheists drool and go ****crazy over any little scientific discovery that they can twist and,
sometimes deceive, people into falling for their viewpoint.
I don't understand why y'all Christians won't let it go. We generally don't believe in god
because we don't have any proof. That's our decision, why do you argue it? Just let it go..
you can't argue people into being Christian. You can't force religion on someone and
personally I can't stand the people that do. It's so very annoying. I don't give a **** about
God, let me rot in hell if there is a hell. Leave us be.
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exist. The very fact that you people do this screws up your little point of not needing
proof. Atheists drool and go ****crazy over any little scientific discovery that they can
twist and, sometimes deceive, people into falling for their viewpoint.
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I don't give a **** about God, let me rot in hell if there is a hell. Leave us be.
this is unnecessary. Its disrespectful to speak like that regardless of what religion you are
addressing. Its like saying 'All mothers are c*nts'. It insults just about everybody. Let
people have their faith. Let you not have yours. Leave the anger at the door.
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O'rly? I do? News to me, cause I never have.
I'm sorry, but what you think means very little me. Isn't there another "I Wanna ****
George Bush" rally/fundraiser/shindig you need to be at? Or some other Republican-
lovefest you can participate in?
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I don't understand why y'all Christians won't let it go. We generally don't believe in god
because we don't have any proof. That's our decision, why do you argue it? Just let it go..
you can't argue people into being Christian. You can't force religion on someone and
personally I can't stand the people that do. It's so very annoying. I don't give a ****
about God, let me rot in hell if there is a hell. Leave us be.
Maybe one person is trying to convert someone otehrs are not. We are aruging over
semantics at this point. I don't epext to convert anyone from this.:roll: LOL
If someone believed in unicorns there is just as much a look of proof for as there is against.
I do not believe in unicorns but my postion is no more correct than someone who does
because we don't have proof. I do agree that there is a lot of proof in ghosts. I do believe in
ghosts, which is proof of some type of afterlife
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I'm sorry, but what you think means very little me. Isn't there another "I Wanna ****
George Bush" rally/fundraiser/shindig you need to be at? Or some other Republican-
lovefest you can participate in?
Please :rolleyes:
I don't love Bush. I don't want to **** him. You just assum e I do because I'm mostly
conservative and vote republican. Not all Conservatives love him, have you seen the
approval ratings lately?
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this is unnecessary. Its disrespectful to speak like that regardless of what religion you are
addressing. Its like saying 'All mothers are c*nts'. It insults just about everybody. Let
people have their faith. Let you not have yours. Leave the anger at the door.
Because I don't care, why should it affect others? It's not like I said he was an ass or
something.
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exist. The very fact that you people do this screws up your little point of not needing
proof. Atheists drool and go ****crazy over any little scientific discovery that they can
twist and, sometimes deceive, people into falling for their viewpoint.
I'm not arguing this. You're wrong whether you like it or not, and that's a fact (it's NOT an
opinion I'm making up that I think is right, it's a dictionary fact). Trying to tell you that
you're wrong is like trying to tell someone that wood comes from trees :crazy: Pointless if
they don't want to believe it.
When there is no proof in something, people who don't believe that it exists need no proof
to have no faith. That's the whole point. If you can't comprehend that very simple and basic
fact (again, this is not an opinion, it's a fact, whether you or I like it), your whole argument
is weightless.
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Maybe one person is trying to convert someone otehrs are not. We are aruging over
semantics at this point. I don't epext to convert anyone from this.:roll: LOL
If someone believed in unicorns there is just as much a look of proof for as there is
against. I do not believe in unicorns but my postion is no more correct than someone who
does because we don't have proof. I do agree that there is a lot of proof in ghosts. I do
believe in ghosts, which is proof of some type of afterlife
I wasn't saying you were. But someone else seemed like they were.
What's up Jun 4th, 2007 07:14 PM
yay god is WINNING!!!
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something.
agreed it was disrespecful, to be in here and post and have an opinion shows that you do
care, if you did not you would't care if others heard your opinion or not
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something.
I'm sorry but the language you used just seem offensive. No biggie.
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Please :rolleyes:
I don't love Bush. I don't want to **** him. You just assum e I do because I'm mostly
conservative and vote republican. Not all Conservatives love him, have you seen the
approval ratings lately?
Who cares if you love him or not. You still vote and support this political party that has
destroyed our once Great nation. You do this under the ridiculous idea that you're not
supporting a party that advocates EVERYTHING you disbelief in with your Atheist
viewpoint. Bush and the current Republican party wish to shove Jesus down your
disbelieving arse. You stupidly choose to close your eyes, bend over and get ****ed with.
You are so incredibly sad.
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Who cares if you love him or not. You still vote and support this political party that has
destroyed our once Great nation. You do this under the ridiculous idea that you're not
supporting a party that advocates EVERYTHING you disbelief in with your Atheist
viewpoint. Bush and the current Republican party wish to shove Jesus down your
disbelieving arse. You stupidly choose to close your eyes, bend over and get ****ed with.
You are so incredibly sad.
Well you want to know what, I'm not the only one. How were we supposed to know all this
was going to happen? We voted for him because we thought he was going to do something
great and lead us. You can't foresee the future. Bush just happened to be there are at the
right time, people believed him, and he won.
Now, are you saying I should be a Democrat because I'm atheist? Because that's bull****. I
may have some liberal views but most of my views lie on the conservative line, therefore I
vote Republican. You don't HAVE to believe in god to vote a certain ****ing way. You
don't HAVE to believe in god to support a policital party where some people do infact
believe in god. Very few political issue invovle God. God may affect the way someone
feels about something but you CAN feel the same way without believing in him yourself.
There are many types of Conservatives and not all of them are believers. You act as if you
everything they do invovles God. You are false.
Unicorns exist... prove me wrong bitches...
man i cant even read half the bull you post stripped. its freaking unbelievable. uhh yeah
gods a rapist, he COMMANDED his people to rape thousands of people. its insane. maybe
you should go to this site and do some research on this prick you call a god.
http://www.evilbible.com/ and bring your bible so you can follow along.

http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm
etc. you can click the rest. or for the love of god READ THE BIBLE and stop posting all
this bull. christina damn it
but seriously reading some of your posts, and im talking to just about everyone. especially
you people who say you dont need jesus to get into heaven or there is no hell. cause for the
love of christina please tell me where in the bible it says that. you guys cant just make ****
up cause you know thats how it should be. cause you're right in that sense, good people
should have bliss, but i beleive bad people can learn from their mistakes and have bliss too
but thats not how it is at all. dont put words into the bible, if god wanted them there, hed of
put them there. cause i thought it was very clearly stated. you guys know nothing about
what you're talking about. it really blows my mind.
actually its quite easy for anyone to shift the burden of proof just so they dont have to pove
their end of things. I asked several people last night to show me solid proof of evolution
and no one did and yet they so easily follow it which is what I call religion.
dictionary
religion: a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp.
when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving
devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct
of human affairs.
Faith: belief that is not based on proof, Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material
evidence
sorry but kitty and I cant make it any more logical or clear. Thr burdon of proof isnt on
anyone here. We believe in God and creation based on faith, no evidence, no fact no proof.
Simply based on what was written by a bunch of people in the Holy Bible and fully admit
our beliefe is in faith, not fact. fully admit thats all we have to go by. You belive that there
is no God or perhaps a higher power but probly not I guess, you believe the world was
made by evolution based on a bunch of books and research written by a bunch of people.
No facts no proof, no backup. Just a bunch of people telling a story just as whoever wrote
the bible. There is no difference. We have a preachers that preach on the begining of the
earth by telling the story of the bible. you have scientists who tell you the story of the earth
by their made up account as well. we have bible story books with pictures for kids, you
have a bunch of diagrams drawn by some person, some of which like pangea are faslified to
make you belive it...behold their success. but the point is there is absolutly positivly NO
difference. You belive there is no GOD, you cannot prove there isnt one and we cant prove
there is one so we might as well stop arguing because its all a matter of opinion...not fact.
Nica da Freakah Jun 4th, 2007 07:53 PM
YAY God! Go Jesus go Jesus go!

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man i cant even read half the bull you post stripped. its freaking unbelievable. uhh yeah
gods a rapist, he COMMANDED his people to rape thousands of people. its insane.
maybe you should go to this site and do some research on this prick you call a god.
http://www.evilbible.com/ and bring your bible so you can follow along.

http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm
etc. you can click the rest. or for the love of god READ THE BIBLE and stop posting all
this bull. christina damn it
but seriously reading some of your posts, and im talking to just about everyone.
especially you people who say you dont need jesus to get into heaven or there is no hell.
cause for the love of christina please tell me where in the bible it says that. you guys cant
just make **** up cause you know thats how it should be. cause you're right in that
sense, good people should have bliss, but i beleive bad people can learn from their
mistakes and have bliss too but thats not how it is at all. dont put words into the bible, if
god wanted them there, hed of put them there. cause i thought it was very clearly stated.
you guys know nothing about what you're talking about. it really blows my mind.
you want me to go to a site called evil bible? are they even quoted from the actual king
james bible? are they taking what was said in context? somehow I doubt it. but ill go just
because Im openminded like that. and btw if you have such a problem with my posts...dont
read em. I know its a difficult concept for some people to grasp but once you get the hang
of it maybe it wont be so bad
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actually its quite easy for anyone to shift the burden of proof just so they dont have to
pove their end of things. I asked several people last night to show me solid proof of
evolution and no one did and yet they so easily follow it which is what I call religion.
dictionary
religion: a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp.
when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving
devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the
conduct of human affairs.
Faith: belief that is not based on proof, Belief that does not rest on logical proof or
material evidence
sorry but kitty and I cant make it any more logical or clear. Thr burdon of proof isnt on
anyone here. We believe in God and creation based on faith, no evidence, no fact no
proof. Simply based on what was written by a bunch of people in the Holy Bible and fully
admit our beliefe is in faith, not fact. fully admit thats all we have to go by. You belive
that there is no God or perhaps a higher power but probly not I guess, you believe the
world was made by evolution based on a bunch of books and research written by a bunch
of people. No facts no proof, no backup. Just a bunch of people telling a story just as
whoever wrote the bible. There is no difference. We have a preachers that preach on the
begining of the earth by telling the story of the bible. you have scientists who tell you the
story of the earth by their made up account as well. we have bible story books with
pictures for kids, you have a bunch of diagrams drawn by some person, some of which
like pangea are faslified to make you belive it...behold their success. but the point is there
is absolutly positivly NO difference. You belive there is no GOD, you cannot prove there
isnt one and we cant prove there is one so we might as well stop arguing because its all a
matter of opinion...not fact.
Somebody already gave you something so you can read and do research about evolution,
yet you ignored it.... So don't come here to give us wikipedia definition of religion please...
LOL
You act as if Science is a bunch of mumbo jumbo
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yet you ignored it.... So don't come here to give us wikipedia definition of religion
please...
its ok. if she wants to beleive we were created from dirt than evolution let her.
No I like science alot. science is something that can be proven and researched. I like facts
and I like learning about the scientific side of things. I do not like science lying to pass their
evolution theory on to brainwash people.
Keith2004 Jun 4th, 2007 07:57 PM
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Unicorns exist... prove me wrong bitches...
:roll:
lepricons too.....
wait you cant prove that the Boogy Man isnt real either.........runs to check Closet:arrow:
......it is really crowded in the closet can barely see him, some people really need to come
out......:nod:
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yet you ignored it.... So don't come here to give us wikipedia definition of religion
please...
dude i told u already i have researched evolution and science alot. in fact no offense but I
seem to be the only person here posing scientific facts to dispute evolution and questioning
your beloved scientific theories and no one answers. so I dont know what u are talking
about.
LOL
I'm just letting it go, I'm just letting it go. I can't ... LOL I refuse to explain Evolution to
you. There are plenty of facts, not just made up things like you claim. Go back and read
Ring The Alarm's post.
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Originally Posted by Keith2004

:roll:
lepricons too.....
wait you cant prove that the Boogy Man isnt real either.........runs to check Closet:arrow:
......it is really crowded in the closet can barely see him, some people really need to come
out......:nod:
:eek: Big foot as well!!!
aleronihead Jun 4th, 2007 08:01 PM
I wouldn't ever read the King James bible... Buy an edition that is translated from the
original Arabic texts, read for yourself, and decide what you believe. That is the easiest way
to get a direct source with as little manipulation as possible.
And I can understand being iffy on the concept of evolution, but to compare science and
religion as equally unprovable is just nuts to me. There is a big difference between a theory
that animals have slowly evolved over billions of years, and believing that a man was made
from dust and lived to be 900 years old.
Yes, of course religion is based on faith. Faith is the entire concept behind religion. But
practically speaking, how is evolution not a very plausible theory? To say it's mumbo
jumbo seems desperate.
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You belive that there is no God or perhaps a higher power but probly not I guess, you
believe the world was made by evolution based on a bunch of books and research
written by a bunch of people.
Don't make assumptions on what I believe ;) I never offered myself forward as a firm
believer of evolution, I accept it as a theory with mild evidence in the absence of theories
with major evidence. I have a passing interest in the theory but it's not something that much
concerns me. I think that to jump to the conclusion of 'god' just because we're not smart
enough to understand things fully is silly. 'God' was the answer for hundreds, thousands,
maybe even millions of things that just 500 years ago science would not have explained,
but now does.
Yesterday you called evolution a religion. The fact that you can copy and paste from a
dictionary doesn't mean you understand it ;) But I hope you have learned the real meaning
of religion today, I would like that. Learning is a good thing, even if it did come a little late.
And please don't call me stupid again when your posts are consistently laden with spelling
mistakes and grammatical errors.
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LOL
I'm just letting it go, I'm just letting it go. I can't ... LOL I refuse to explain Evolution to
you. There are plenty of facts, not just made up things like you claim. Go back and read
Ring The Alarm's post.
She will ignore RTA posts.... I mean, there is no proof she is not ignoring them right?
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Originally Posted by aleronihead

I wouldn't ever read the King James bible... Buy an edition that is translated from the
original Arabic texts, read for yourself, and decide what you believe. That is the easiest
way to get a direct source with as little manipulation as possible.
And I can understand being iffy on the concept of evolution, but to compare science and
religion as equally unprovable is just nuts to me. There is a big difference between a
theory that animals have slowly evolved over billions of years, and believing that a man
was made from dust and lived to be 900 years old.
Yes, of course religion is based on faith. Faith is the entire concept behind religion. But
practically speaking, how is evolution not a very plausible theory? To say it's mumbo
jumbo seems desperate.
:love:
Keith2004 Jun 4th, 2007 08:03 PM
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:eek: Big foot as well!!!
But there is proof for him....havent u seen the tapes:susp: he was runnin through a Blurry
area similar to the one his cousin from Loch Ness hangs out in :funny:
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But there is proof for him....havent u seen the tapes:susp: he was runnin through a Blurry
area similar to the one his cousin from Loch Ness hangs out in :funny:
*Ignores post*
There is no proof Big Foot exists, come one, tell me one :redmad:
no idea where it is. there is no proven fact of evolution. period.,
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The pope would be so proud of you girl...
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Nothing is 100% proven. Everything is debatable. The only thing we're really sure of is
birth and death. Although I'm sure we could all find something to argue about there too,
lol :angel:
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:crazy:
Have you EVER taken a Biology course?
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Don't make assumptions on what I believe ;) I never offered myself forward as a firm
believer of evolution, I accept it as a theory with mild evidence in the absence of theories
with major evidence. I have a passing interest in the theory but it's not something that
much concerns me. I think that to jump to the conclusion of 'god' just because we're not
smart enough to understand things fully is silly. 'God' was the answer for hundreds,
thousands, maybe even millions of things that just 500 years ago science would not have
explained, but now does.
Yesterday you called evolution a religion. The fact that you can copy and paste from a
dictionary doesn't mean you understand it ;) But I hope you have learned the real
meaning of religion today, I would like that. Learning is a good thing, even if it did come
a little late.
And please don't call me stupid again when your posts are consistently laden with
spelling mistakes and grammatical errors.
stupid....:roll:
sorry my dear But you really gotta stop making up rules for others and different for
yourself. Your not special...well maybe special but not in the same way. :kiss:
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stupid....:roll:
How unchristian of you.... tsk, tsk.. Where did all the love and kidness blah blah went?
Keith2004 Jun 4th, 2007 08:10 PM
*NO JOKE IN THIS POST*
I think the Christian bible like any other traditional book, (especially the CARTOONY
Jewish history old testiment half) is a mixture of truth, exagerated facts and legend not to be
taken seriously, and to argue from it is a lil :crazy: , but if u take the substance, and
valuable lessons and philosophies from it you could benifit.
The KJV was translated by the 17th century englis from like 10 other translations to help
keep the masses scared and in check..........Belif in God should be a personal faith choice,
comparison to scientific books citing real experiments, evidence and proven facts is a
LOONG strech.........
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stupid....:roll:
You really are the most patronising bitch I've ever had the misfortune to come across, I
don't know how you have the audacity to call yourself a Christian :manson: I wish I could
just block you but people are gonna quote your posts anyway.
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How unchristian of you.... tsk, tsk.. Where did all the love and kidness blah blah went?
It was never there to begin with :greyno:

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yes in highscool and college. found them rather amusing.
opening page of every textbook...millions and billiosn of years ago...ha when there is no
realy way to determine the earths age any self respecting scientist knows carbon dating is
crap. then they sell you with their pangea theory that they warp the map so it fits like a
puzzle. then they tell you about the big band and ignore actual scientific laws like angular
momentum. then they draw you a little picture of how my great great great grandpa was
fish. its really beyond stupid
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puzzle. then they tell you about the big band and ignore actual scientific laws like
angular momentum. then they draw you a little picture of how my great great great
grandpa was fish. its really beyond stupid
Wow, and you are the one who believes the bible....
Big band :eek: I wanna listen to some SWING! Jimmy, gimme some swing!
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It was never there to begin with :greyno:
I know, this is getting beyond irritating.. That's why I don't like getting involved in these
kind of conversations...
Brown_Eyes Jun 4th, 2007 08:12 PM
What's beyond stupid is you creating a thread saying you were going and then coming
back...
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Big band :eek: I wanna listen to some SWING! Jimmy, gimme some swing!
How bout some Candyman, since it's your favorite song :susp:
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Originally Posted by Brown_Eyes

What's beyond stupid is you creating a thread saying you were going and then coming
back...
Rotf...
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How bout some Candyman, since it's your favorite song :susp:
:eek: I could wear a sailor suit and do the dance :eek: ... or, d'you think a cheerleader suit
with a sailor hat counts, since I lost my sailor suit somewhere? :greyno:
And LOL, Brown Eyes. She only comes back for news threads. Like this one.
Stripped713 85
jimmyboy 82
Peter Pan 77
SerenityX 67
D i R r t y x X 41
wanthony86 34
sunoftheskye 27
jackiem 25
prd2bdomini 25
B. Suleman 24
glennysgirl 20
meiun8 18
nexus 12
OMG :eek: I feel so stupid now...
Keith2004 Jun 4th, 2007 08:15 PM
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*Ignores post*
There is no proof Big Foot exists, come one, tell me one :redmad:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...otage+&spell=1
LOL, as real as a dog, cat, or eliphant
Wakes up, back to reality......people still exploting people to beleive in stuff and empty
wallets.....overall purpose of organized religion
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:eek: I could wear a sailor suit and do the dance :eek: ... or, d'you think a cheerleader
suit with a sailor hat counts, since I lost my sailor suit somewhere? :greyno:
And LOL, Brown Eyes. She only comes back for news threads. Like this one.
Cheerleading and pics please.. I need PROOF that you used that suit...
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...otage+&spell=1
LOL, as real as a dog, cat, or eliphant
Wakes up, back to reality......people still exploting people to beleive in stuff an empty
wallets.....overall purpose of organized religion
Lol
Btw, did you like Elliot's album?
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*NO JOKE IN THIS POST*
I think the Christian bible like any other traditional book, (especially the CARTOONY
Jewish history old testiment half) is a mixture of truth, exagerated facts and legend not to
be taken seriously, and to argue from it is a lil :crazy: , but if u take the substance, and
valuable lessons and philosophies from it you could benifit.
The KJV was translated by the 17th century englis from like 10 other translations to help
keep the masses scared and in check..........Belif in God should be a personal faith choice,
comparison to scientific books citing real experiments, evidence and proven facts is a
LOONG strech.........
I agree with everything here. The bible is legend, fable and lessons, probably mixed with
many facts. What is what, who knows?
It bothers me that KJV is still the most commonly used bible, because it's based in a late
middle ages Christian feudulistic (spelling?) mentality. Religion was a huge part of the
government then. Seeing as that's not the case anymore, people really should seek out a
more accurately translated bible.
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Cheerleading and pics please.. I need PROOF that you used that suit...
:laugh: I'm still waiting for the skirt to be done actually. I promise when I have it I'll take a
photo immediately. Somehow. In the mirror! :eek:
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puzzle. then they tell you about the big band and ignore actual scientific laws like
angular momentum. then they draw you a little picture of how my great great great
grandpa was fish. its really beyond stupid
Holy wow. That's all fine and good, but a post like that combined with the fact that you
seem to put much of your faith in the bible...whoa. I think I just gave up on talking to you
about this. I see it's useless.
Keith2004 Jun 4th, 2007 08:20 PM
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Lol
Btw, did you like Elliot's album?
Yea, i was listnin 2 it on the subway this morning
Movin on:love:
Train Wreck:love:
Fee:love:
You are the one:love:
I like his version of ASFY, but Christina's Blows him out of the water
Thanks again:kiss:
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jimmyboy 82
Peter Pan 77
SerenityX 67
D i R r t y x X 41
wanthony86 34
sunoftheskye 27
jackiem 25
prd2bdomini 25
B. Suleman 24
glennysgirl 20
meiun8 18
nexus 12
OMG :eek: I feel so stupid now...
Huh? lol...is that points? Or posts in this thread?

haha i remember this one summer where i was forced to go to "christian" summer camp. the
paintball was really awesome. an aethiest owning christians and causing them pain?
awesome. but the most fun was listening on the conversations at night. when they were all
talking about how absurd evolution was it was freaking hilarious.
so stripped do you think that the flintstones is a documentary?
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:laugh: I'm still waiting for the skirt to be done actually. I promise when I have it I'll take
a photo immediately. Somehow. In the mirror! :eek:
Alright!!
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Huh? lol...is that points? Or posts in this thread?
Posts in this thread.... actually, it can be seen as negative IQ points earned :manson:
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haha i remember this one summer where i was forced to go to "christian" summer camp.
the paintball was really awesome. an aethiest owning christians and causing them pain?
:blueeek: :roll: Colour me DEAD.

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Yea, i was listnin 2 it on the subway this morning
Movin on:love:
Train Wreck:love:
Fee:love:
You are the one:love:
I like his version of ASFY, but Christina's Blows him out of the water
Thanks again:kiss:
It's a very good album.. But yes, after Christina's ASFY no other version will sound good
:laugh: She owned that song!
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*DEAD* :roll: :roll:
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You really are the most patronising bitch I've ever had the misfortune to come across, I
don't know how you have the audacity to call yourself a Christian :manson: I wish I
could just block you but people are gonna quote your posts anyway.
what because im a christian im supposed to be perfect? im supposed to let people tell me im

a retarded child, ignorant, hipocritical and "a terrbible person" and not get caught up in the
temptation of the flesh to repond? Just because I belive in god i cant think you are stupid? I
know I know i should turn the other cheek but honestly you can kiss the other cheek for all
I care. Youve mocked me and my God and cant seem to stop reading my posts even tho
they are so beneath you. just move on ok? be the bigger person and ignore me.
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that doesnt make much sense but no I dont.i think its a cartoon.
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what because im a christian im supposed to be perfect? im supposed to let people tell me
im a retarded child, ignorant, hipocritical and "a terrbible person" and not get caught up
in the temptation of the flesh to repond? Just because I belive in god i cant think you are
stupid? I know I know i should turn the other cheek but honestly you can kiss the other
cheek for all I care. Youve mocked me and my God and cant seem to stop reading my
posts even tho they are so beneath you. just move on ok? be the bigger person and ignore
me.
Is your flesh weak enough to want to slap me this time? :biggrin:
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Posts in this thread.... actually, it can be seen as negative IQ points earned :manson:
lol
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Holy wow. That's all fine and good, but a post like that combined with the fact that you
seem to put much of your faith in the bible...whoa. I think I just gave up on talking to you
about this. I see it's useless.
Ok thats fine with me. I never contended that my belife in the bible is purely out of faith
and nothing more. unlike the people who choose to belive the science that lies to them
without question.
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Is your flesh weak enough to want to slap me this time? :biggrin:
hahahahaha. How could I possibly want to slap you. We're on the internet dear. Poor child
is getting this mixed up with real life. Dont be silly.
You said you wanted to slap me before :laugh:
I did? well didnt you want to slap me too? lets see what youve got! :roll:
Keith2004 Jun 4th, 2007 08:45 PM
religous discusions can get real catty,
http://animals.timduru.org/dirlist/l...s-Fighting.jpg
i dont know why :scratch:

People beleive what they beleive and a CHRISTINA FORUM is not going to change that.
:roll: I think I'd need an anvil to knock some sense into you, but thanks for the offer.
yes so shall we agree to disagree? I have company on the way so im gonna roll. But its been
interesting. Nice talking to most of you. serenity, I just joke about the slap thing. I will
admit you really frost my cookies sometimes but God still loves you regardless and I still
care about your soul rather you want me to or not. so Im sure ill see you around as you tend
to stalk me anyways. ttyl:kiss:
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without question.
I have faith in the men and women who devote their lives to understanding how our world
works and how it has become what it has become. The difference is that they are taught to
develop theories, test them, prove them, provide proof, discover documents, fossils,
chemicals, etc.
Sure, they could be lying. But so could your bible.
And for the record, I am by no means atheist.
Keith2004 Jun 4th, 2007 08:49 PM
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without question.
Its ok to beleive whats in the bilble as truth but what Texbooks say has 2 be lies :scratch:
understand what religion could gain butwhat would be gained from Science "lyin",
Blueskies511 Jun 4th, 2007 08:49 PM
I love both of them with everything in me, but god gets my vote.
susu489 Jun 4th, 2007 08:57 PM
What the hell kind of question is this? It only provokes drama. This whole thread is
ridiculous and I can't believe what I'm seeing. Why can't some of you just respect others
beliefs? No wonder the world is what it is today. Always fighting and so much hatred for
one another.
That being said I choose God over Christina any day.
samira.D Jun 4th, 2007 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by susu489

one another.
co-sign!!!
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one another.
I know it's so stupid. The problem is people don't know how to mind their own business. If
everyone would stop trying to be up on everybody's nuts, then it would be chill.
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lol I put a link to this at the Carrie forum. All the little virgins there will be fainting and
grabbing out their rosary beads. :crazy:
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Rotf :roll:
JESUS TAKE THE WHEEL!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.carriefans.com/forum/carr...ie-virgin.html
Guys you gotta check it out. these people are such losers. :roll: :funny:
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http://www.carriefans.com/forum/carr...ie-virgin.html
Guys you gotta check it out. these people are such losers. :roll: :funny:
:blueeek: :eek: I think they're all about twelve years old.
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:blueeek: :eek: I think they're all about twelve years old.
http://www.carriefans.com/forum/carrie-underwood-chat/
check out the other two threads I made! ROTF. They are such losers its hilarious :roll:
:funny:
susu489 Jun 4th, 2007 10:45 PM
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http://www.carriefans.com/forum/carrie-underwood-chat/
check out the other two threads I made! ROTF. They are such losers its hilarious :roll:
:funny:
Why are you calling them losers when u obviously post there :rolleye2:
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go back to cooking dinner for your husband :arrow:
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:nc:
They actually have carebears threads :manson: I thought you were joking.
susu489 Jun 4th, 2007 10:48 PM
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What the hell does cooking for my husband have anything to do with anything? Calling
people losers when obviously you're one them :o
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What the hell does cooking for my husband have anything to do with anything? Calling
people losers when obviously you're one them :o
my post count there is less than 100. And I'm not saying they are all LOSERS in a hateful
way. I'm just saying that some losers responded to my thread and it was hilarious. God
relax. There are far worse things in this thread for you to go and get pissy about :arrow:
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They actually have carebears threads :manson: I thought you were joking.
I know its just.... :noway: I cant believe it. Its the one thing that turns me right off Carrie. I
feel so at home at LD compared to that place. :manson: :crazy:
aw... they deleted the thread. Poor Christians. :funny:

susu489 Jun 4th, 2007 10:54 PM
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my post count there is less than 100. And I'm not saying they are all LOSERS in a hateful
way. I'm just saying that some losers responded to my thread and it was hilarious. God
relax. There are far worse things in this thread for you to go and get pissy about :arrow:
I'm not pissy and any way:D I just find it kind of sad that u are calling people in a thread
that u participate losers. As far as this whole thread goes I have nothing to say. People
believe whatever they want to believe and that is not my business. I know what I believe in
and I don't have to share that with others. This board is for entertainment not for religious
talks.
Rotf Bren :roll:
haha that's hilarious! especially how they keep saying: this is getting out of hand when
basically nothing happened! CMM wouldnt even get this upset (i LOVE cmm btw, but
there are just alot of 12 year olds there :) )
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haha that's hilarious! especially how they keep saying: this is getting out of hand when
basically nothing happened! CMM wouldnt even get this upset (i LOVE cmm btw, but
there are just alot of 12 year olds there :) )
I know, for the love of God. Now I'm banned for posting for 10 days or something! FOR
THAT! are you freaking kidding me? :crazy: :funny: :manson:
samira.D Jun 4th, 2007 11:07 PM
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oh bren please thats mean what u said!!!:(
susu489 Jun 4th, 2007 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by samira.D

oh bren please thats mean what u said!!!:(
Don't give it attention samira:D I'm just happy that I make my husband happy that's all that
matters:kiss:
meiun8 Jun 4th, 2007 11:18 PM
Nananananannaa.
LovesEmbrace Jun 4th, 2007 11:20 PM
God is winning. Maybe people on this forum aren't so crazy after all.
susu489 Jun 4th, 2007 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by LovesEmbrace

Took the words right out of my mouth :funny:
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Its ok to beleive whats in the bilble as truth but what Texbooks say has 2 be lies :scratch:
understand what religion could gain butwhat would be gained from Science "lyin",
I am not believing lies are in the text books im telling you there are in fact some lies in
textbooks.
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Originally Posted by LovesEmbrace

Of course, people who don't agree with you are crazy, I forgot that's the kind of mature
logic LD uses :funny:
I thought this god deleted??:manson:
Why would it get deleted?
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Why would it get deleted?
Because of all the fighting.
Oh lord, this thread is still here?!?!
Could ya'll please let this be the last comment so it will go away.
This thread got way out of hand. It was totally misconstrued just like people did with
Christina's Dirrty video. People totally misinterpreted what I was asking.
I'll have the last post. Thanks to all for writing.
Shmames Jun 5th, 2007 02:34 AM
lmao. funny thread.
i chose Christina because i don't believe in God.
LovesEmbrace Jun 5th, 2007 02:42 AM
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Of course, people who don't agree with you are crazy, I forgot that's the kind of mature
logic LD uses :funny:
Duh!
lilsexydevil Jun 5th, 2007 03:39 AM
lol i chose God
The Maverick Jun 5th, 2007 04:52 AM
Why the hell is Christina loosing. Have people lost all faith? Was her Grammy performance
not proof that Christina > everything that is, was, and will ever be.
Christina has never lost so badly. This should be proof enough of who's the bigger star. And
they havent even had to put red lipstick on.
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Originally Posted by Broken Doll

Why the hell is Christina loosing. Have people lost all faith? Was her Grammy
performance not proof that Christina > everything that is, was, and will ever be.
lollllll
lol
will this thread ever stop?
Îts a raging success?
It is, I guess?
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i_love_xtina Jun 5th, 2007 07:53 AM

Aww, No need to fight guys!
I don't really tell people what religion I am when they ask because, I dont really consider
myself Christian even though I was raised to believe that, and went to a christian church, or
was in penicostal? yeah..
but i believe in him and pray and try to connect and try to be a great person so I make it to
heaven one day, but I dont evolve my life around the ten commandments or anything, Even
though I know I should?
But I always wonder
Like How did he get all the power to make everything?
like, he was just born with powers?
if god made everyone, who made his mother?
was he born in outer space?
cuz if he was born on land, then who made it?
how did the outerspace get there? lol...
omg. Im thinking too much i need to go to bed
No one has ever explained that to me.

i never asked questions or payed attention at church to all that...
Drives me insane how we are here.
But I guess no one really truly knows.

It's interesting! :( and confusing.
But it makes more since to me that there is a god rather than we just popping up out of no
where.
The topic causes so much drama between people.
My friend is atheist and believed in god al her life until she was 15....Dont know why, but
its interesting. I asked her what she believes and she said, we just popped up in the ocean or
something, im like....ok...then where did the ocean come from??? lol
^cute
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Originally Posted by i_love_xtina

Aww, No need to fight guys!
I don't really tell people what religion I am when they ask because, I dont really consider
myself Christian even though I was raised to believe that, and went to a christian church,
or was in penicostal? yeah..
but i believe in him and pray and try to connect and try to be a great person so I make it
to heaven one day, but I dont evolve my life around the ten commandments or anything,
Even though I know I should?
But I always wonder
Like How did he get all the power to make everything?
like, he was just born with powers?
if god made everyone, who made his mother?
was he born in outer space?
cuz if he was born on land, then who made it?
how did the outerspace get there? lol...
omg. Im thinking too much i need to go to bed
No one has ever explained that to me.

i never asked questions or payed attention at church to all that...
Drives me insane how we are here.
But I guess no one really truly knows.

It's interesting! :( and confusing.
But it makes more since to me that there is a god rather than we just popping up out of no
where.
The topic causes so much drama between people.
My friend is atheist and believed in god al her life until she was 15....Dont know why, but
its interesting. I asked her what she believes and she said, we just popped up in the ocean
or something, im like....ok...then where did the ocean come from??? lol
A theory is that "the philosophy of how God came into being in the first place" is out of the
human mind's comprehension. Like the human mind is made to work along certain patterns
u know, there has to be a mother to have a kid etc etc. The human minds might not just be
complex enough to understand God's existence. So just appreciate the unknown :)
mordacis Jun 5th, 2007 03:19 PM
wow, this hread certainly didn´t flop...it´s cool that a bearded guy 2000 years ago and his
supposed dad is creating such drama and discussions, suck on that roast beef!
btw, i´m sad that christina´s loosing, but whatevva
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wow, this hread certainly didn´t flop...it´s cool that a bearded guy 2000 years ago and his
supposed dad is creating such drama and discussions, suck on that roast beef!
btw, i´m sad that christina´s loosing, but whatevva
Rotf... not to mention they didn't have to go to rehab or shaved their heads ;) That's what I
call class.
I'm actually shocked that god is winning :nc: I don't think I could name a single believer
that I know in my country except for my family.
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Rotf... not to mention they didn't have to go to rehab or shaved their heads ;) That's what
I call class.
EXACTLY!! they deserve kudos just b/c of that....but i think mary magdalene might have
shown her firecrotch in public sometimes tho:]
c´mon, vote xtina!
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I'm actually shocked that god is winning :nc: I don't think I could name a single believer
that I know in my country except for my family.
45% of Brits are non-believers, making it the highest number in the world. But don't put it
down to intelligence sweetie. All those millions of athiests that watch Eastenders and
Cornation Street deserve to be thrown into the sea. I actually find Brits to be generally the
dumbest people I have encountered.
Keith2004 Jun 5th, 2007 03:33 PM

THIS thread is certainly back with avengence :rolleye2:
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45% of Brits are non-believers, making it the highest number in the world. But don't put
it down to intelligence sweetie. All those millions of athiests that watch Eastenders and
Cornation Street deserve to be thrown into the sea. I actually find Brits to be generally
the dumbest people I have encountered.
:nc: Funny how the only people I know who watch Eastenders and Coronation Street are
my devout Catholic family. You really should work on that racism, my dear.
45% ?...how do a non-beliver being measured?...coz in sweden, barely 20% are

believers....:crazy:
Keith2004 Jun 5th, 2007 03:36 PM
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45% of Brits are non-believers, making it the highest number in the world. But don't put
it down to intelligence sweetie. All those millions of athiests that watch Eastenders and
Cornation Street deserve to be thrown into the sea. I actually find Brits to be generally
the dumbest people I have encountered.
i'd still pick them over a country that has a high beleiver pecentage and exploits it....much
more real evidence to that that what u say pf the brits......
Ironic that a continent that was so staunchly religious and spread its brand through the
world is now so staunchly secular (people round the world who really ran with it)
.....how come they'r so advanced if Gods not on their side:crazy:
Candy Williams Jun 5th, 2007 03:42 PM
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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i'd still pick them over a country that has a high beleiver pecentage and exploits it....much
more real evidence to that that what u say pf the brits......
Ironic that a continent that was so staunchly religious and spread its brand through the
world is now so staunchly secular (people round the world who really ran with it)
.....how come they'r so advanced if Gods not on their side:crazy:
I don't really understand. Britain is very much a socially divided nation. Its an advanced
country in that sererval million great minds have built it that way over the years. But don't
ever judge Britain until you have been there. They have the trashiest, least-educated middle
class of any western society. Mindless soccer hooligans, pregnant chavs from the east end,
people who listen to dance music... its goes on. The British middle class live a horrific
lifestyle of irrelevancy.:o
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:nc: Funny how the only people I know who watch Eastenders and Coronation Street are
my devout Catholic family. You really should work on that racism, my dear.
racism towards the brits? From an Irish guy? :roll: Your country starved mine and let us rot.
You can F**K off with your bullsh*t race card.:sick:
Well honey the stats say that 25million of you watch those shows and somehow I doubt its
any of the newer immigrant populations. So go figure.
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country in that sererval million great minds have built it that way over the years. But
don't ever judge Britain until you have been there. They have the trashiest, least-educated
middle class of any western society. Mindless soccer hooligans, pregnant chavs from the
east end, people who listen to dance music... its goes on. The British middle class live a
horrific lifestyle of irrelevancy.:o
Is Tuesday "Trash Britain" day?
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Is Tuesday "Trash Britain" day?
No, every day that ends with a y is trash Britain day.
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45% ?...how do a non-beliver being measured?...coz in sweden, barely 20% are
believers....:crazy:
I'm not sure where you got that figure from but I have a map on my wall with stats and it
says the UK has the highest percentage of athiests in Europe. ;)
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racism towards the brits? From an Irish guy? :roll: Your country starved mine and let us
rot. You can F**K off with your bullsh*t race card.:sick:
Well honey the stats say that 25million of you watch those shows and somehow I doubt its
any of the newer immigrant populations. So go figure.
The stats also say that Ireland's favourite song is Umbrella. Let's not be pointing fingers
here. Especially not racist ***** :laugh:
Bren, you should let go of the past... Why all the hate towards Britain?

Sweden - 85%, Britain - 44%.
Keith2004 Jun 5th, 2007 03:50 PM
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country in that sererval million great minds have built it that way over the years. But
don't ever judge Britain until you have been there. They have the trashiest, least-educated
middle class of any western society. Mindless soccer hooligans, pregnant chavs from the
east end, people who listen to dance music... its goes on. The British middle class live a
horrific lifestyle of irrelevancy.:o
now here is the catch-22 in what ur trying to get across
the "Great Minds" and upper class are the ones more likely to be among the non-
believers.....as more educated people lean this way...
and the middle class "dumb" people as YOU are more likely to be religous along with the
poor........so i fail to see ur logic
poorer less educated countries have larger percentages of religious people......
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Bren, you should let go of the past... Why all the hate towards Britain?
Don't be ignorant Jimmy. You dont know where I grew up and the circumstances. You dont
know the effects that country STILL has on part of mine. Do NOT preach to me. My friend
Rachel watched a school bus get blown up by the UVF when she was a kid. Yet all the
media reported was about the IRA. Its bull, its ass, we are the supposed 'terrorits'. At least
we now have our country back from the queens rotting cu*t.:sick:
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now here is the catch-22 in what ur trying to get across
the "Great Minds" and upper class are the ones more likely to be among the non-
believers.....as more educated people lean this way...
and the middle class "dumb" people as YOU are more likely to be religous along with the
poor........so i fail to see ur logic
pooer less educated countries have larger percentages of religious people......
There is absolutely no proof to say any of this. I doubt SerenityX is from 'high society'
judging from the pics Ive seen of her. :]
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Sweden - 85%, Britain - 44%.
in non-belivers?
lawd have mercy!

:angel:
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Don't be ignorant Jimmy. You dont know where I grew up and the circumstances. You
dont know the effects that country STILL has on part of mine. Do NOT preach to me. My
friend Rachel watched a school bus get blown up by the UVF when she was a kid. Yet all
the media reported was about the IRA. Its bull, its ass, we are the supposed 'terrorits'. At
least we now have our country back from the queens rotting cu*t.:sick:
Why call me ignorant? You could have just explained it to me without the name calling... I
would have pretended I care about that....
Keith2004 Jun 5th, 2007 03:56 PM
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but hasnt it been proven that the more advanced, modernized, and wealthy a country gets
the less religious they are........i mean look at Africa and south America.....Massive growing
religous movements, then in Europe it is declining and in north America
Stagnant...................
....not to offend anyone but the lower the level of education the easier to convince them to
belive something.............
and wealthy people were Aitheist befor it was popular....they just used religeon to keep the
poor class in check.........
and i am not asuming anything about any LDers financial position
Keith2004 Jun 5th, 2007 03:59 PM
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just compare some 3rd world and developed countries here and see who is more religeous
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...ook/index.html
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but hasnt it been proven that the more advanced, modernized, and wealthy a country gets
the less religious they are........i mean look at Africa and south America.....Massive
growing religous movements, then in Europe it is declining and in north America
Stagnant...................
....not to offend anyone but the lower the level of education the easier to convince them to
belive something.............
and wealthy people were Aitheist befor it was popular....they just used religeon to keep
the poor class in check.........
and i am not asuming anything about any LDers financial position
thats ridiculous. Just because a country becomes wealthy does not make its people any
more intelligent. The reason for the falloff of religion is nothing to do with intellect in this
case. Its to do with the fact that these people (middle class, lower classes) now have money
so they forget about their faith because they dont feel they need it any longer.
And as for the intellectual upper classes being athiest, not always true. Of course anybody
with a brain is going to question things. It hardly makes them an innovator. But a large
amount of the worlds highest ranking scientists have actual come to express a rekindled
interest in faith and a higher being. So the argument is BS.:o
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just compare some 3rd world and developed countries here and see who is more
religeous
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...ook/index.html
I know that. But answer my question. When a country becomes rich, does that make all its
lower classes more intelligent? Cos that is what you are saying.:o
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in non-belivers?
lawd have mercy!

:angel:
Yup. That includes atheists and agnostic though. Agnostics also class as non-believers
because they, well, don't believe.
And Bren, **** off :kiss: I get that you're so racist that you're totally blind, but the average
person does not support people being blown up. In fact, our government has been known to
try to HIDE it from us. If you're gonna hate on anyone, hate on the government, because
when you're talking so much **** about the normal people, you're just making yourself
look like an ignorant little ****.
^ Rotf
go do an essay on the british middle-class and come back and proove me wrong ;)
NO essay on the middle class, no matter how foul the things you found in your research,
justifies your ignorant prejudice towards the whole country - especially when the majority
of Brits are working class, i.e. not even what you're talking about.
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NO essay on the middle class, no matter how foul the things you found in your research,
justifies your ignorant prejudice towards the whole country - especially when the
majority of Brits are working class, i.e. not even what you're talking about.
thats what I meant but we dont use the same classifications as you do. But yeah. THEM.
btw, doesn't 'ignorant' mean I dont know what Im talking about? Cos I have been there
plenty times and I do.
Keith2004 Jun 5th, 2007 04:07 PM
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I know that. But answer my question. When a country becomes rich, does that make all its
lower classes more intelligent? Cos that is what you are saying.:o
OH HELL no, the lowest of it classes stay the same, look at what the people in the South
(still not completely financially recovered from Civil War) say/do.....thank about that
"Black Face Tread"
i was just saying countries like England have had the wealth/knowlege spread more in than
some developing countries and this has led to more secularisim .....the poor and
uneducated remain...their are just less of them
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OH HELL no, the lowest of it classes stay the same, look at what the people in the South
(still not completely financially recovered from Civil War) say/do.....thank about that
"Black Face Tread"
i was just saying countries like England have had the wealth/knowlege spread more in
than some developing countries and this has led to more secularisim .....the poor and
uneducated remain...their are just less of them
less of them? They might be less poor but they are definitely not less educated. :o
And I hope those people in the southern US pull the 'geographical isolation' card to justify
part of their stupidity. The Brits cant use that one though.
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thats what I meant but we dont use the same classifications as you do. But yeah. THEM.
btw, doesn't 'ignorant' mean I dont know what Im talking about? Cos I have been there
plenty times and I do.
:crazy: You're making NO SENSE. And you're actually really pissing me off. Being there
'plenty of times' doesn't mean you have the right to be so prejudiced and absolutely foul.
I've been to Spain 'plenty of times' and don't presume to know everything. Though, on the
subject of Spain, how ironic that all the Irish people in Spain are rude little ****s :laugh:
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:crazy: You're making NO SENSE. And you're actually really pissing me off. Being there
'plenty of times' doesn't mean you have the right to be so prejudiced and absolutely foul.
I've been to Spain 'plenty of times' and don't presume to know everything.
Oh please honey go put that Man United jersey in the wash I'm getting a headache :arrow:
Keith2004 Jun 5th, 2007 04:11 PM
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less of them? They might be less poor but they are definitely not less educated. :o
And I hope those people in the southern US pull the 'geographical isolation' card to
justify part of their stupidity. The Brits cant use that one though.
well, i can only argue so much on the Brit-Irish situation, cause thats a hot mess i dont
really know much about.....
as for the south, they brought that on themselves, as opposed to the irish situation which
was not self-inflicted
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well, i can only argue so much on the Brit-Irish situation, cause thats a hot mess i dont
really know much about.....
as for the south, they brought that on themselves, as opposed to the irish situation which
was not self-inflicted
its terrifying to note that alot of those 'white trash' in the Southern states came from lower
class areas of Britain and Ireland :sick:
Man Utd? WTF?
He's a despicable racist idiot. Ignore him. He's going on my ignore list now.
Keith2004 Jun 5th, 2007 04:17 PM
...............This thread is so not Christina vs. God.................anymore
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...............This thread is so not Christina vs. God.................anymore
Well, god sucks anyway....

J/K :p
Keith2004 Jun 5th, 2007 04:22 PM
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Well, god sucks anyway....
J/K :p
LOL.....still alot more intersting to discuss that
Ireland V. England.............
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:crazy:
I'm glad this was broughten up. Scientifically, you acutally have to prove that the null is not
true, so if we are saying there is a God, in order to prove that this is a fact, you need to
prove that there isn't a God so you can reject the null. So in fact, the proof actually falls on
the non-believers or athesists.
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I don't understand why is someone is living a differnt lifetstyle from you, you have to bash
it. Is wiating for marriage and praying such a horrible and dispactable thing? I'm proud to
be a Catholic and fall into bother catergories.
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A theory is that "the philosophy of how God came into being in the first place" is out of
the human mind's comprehension. Like the human mind is made to work along certain
patterns u know, there has to be a mother to have a kid etc etc. The human minds might
not just be complex enough to understand God's existence. So just appreciate the
unknown :)
bravo, well said
I learned in my relgius studies class, the US was acutally th emost relgious nation in the
world. Only 10% are believers and about 68% acorrding to the CIA site are Christians,
when I took the calss it was 86% it is stil a majority. Christina being a Catholic/Christian I
think would be shocked and probbly not impressed to see this thread.
Christinas :roll:
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Christinas :roll:
I know... Now we have to proof that something doesn't exist... even when there is nothing
that proves that the mentioned something exits :manson:
I know, it's ridiculous. There is no way to prove that something doesn't exist. Proof requires
tangible evidence. Evidence requires something to exist for there to be evidence related to
it. Obviously if we're trying to prove that something doesn't exist there's gonna be no
evidence.
But scientifically and logically speaking, if there's no evidence to say something exists,
then there's no reason to say it exists. There's more proof of ghosts and aliens :nc:
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I know, it's ridiculous. There is no way to prove that something doesn't exist. Proof
requires tangible evidence. Evidence requires something to exist for there to be evidence
related to it. Obviously if we're trying to prove that something doesn't exist there's gonna
be no evidence.
Yet, people I know that believe in god say that there is no proof to believe ghosts exist, so
they don't believe they exist :manson: I was like "ok :crazy:"
^There's no proof, which is why it's called faith. It's a choice to believe that there's
something greater in this world.
If you could prove the lack of a spiritual presence in this world, I think a lot of the world
would fall apart. Thankfully you can't right now.
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be no evidence.
my point exactly, you can't prove it. I do believe in ghosts and I'm a littl.e torn on aliens.
:roll: at Christinas.. I acutally always type that because when I was younger I typed that
much more than Christian so I have to usually go back and fix it after I type it. Let me go
back and edit that.:angel:
Faith is fine. But it's hypocritical to say 'I have faith with no evidence, but you need
concrete proof to think it doesn't exist'.
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my point exactly, you can't prove it. I do believe in ghosts and I'm a littl.e torn on
aliens. :roll: at Christinas.. I acutally always type that because when I was younger I
typed that much more than Christian so I have to usually go back and fix it after I type it.
Let me go back and edit that.:angel:
But my point is that you don't need proof. The neutral, basic logic when there's no evidence
is to say that something doesn't exist. You don't need proof. If I say to you that right now a
marshmellow man is floating around your head and sprinkling invisible glitter in your hair
while having a party... do you REALLY need PROOF that it's not true?
:roll: And I always type Christinas too :laugh: It's automatic!

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:D :D
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I don't understand why is someone is living a differnt lifetstyle from you, you have to bash
it. Is wiating for marriage and praying such a horrible and dispactable thing? I'm proud
to be a Catholic and fall into bother catergories.
are you serious? Their morals are bogus, FAKE. If they were really so content with waiting
for marriage then why are they so ridiculously prudish and scared of sex? I think there are
alot more underlying reasons for their mentality than basic Christian dignity. And these are
people 18 years old, who have threads about carebears and that Carrie is their guardian
angel!:manson: :roll:
Seriously buddy there is a difference between abstaining and being all f**ked up because
your parents have beat a fanatical form of their religion down your throat. :crazy:
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I see your point here. Like it was said that is what is sopowerful about fatih, the fact that it
is blind. Blest are those who believe and do not see. What do you guys think of things like
stigmata? self inflicted?
Has Phoebe got me on ignore? :(

I feel kinda bad about what I said. I'm just back from a long run and have released all the
angst from my system.
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Has Phoebe got me on ignore? :(
I feel kinda bad about what I said. I'm just back from a long run and have released all the
angst from my system.
Phoebe!!
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I agree, that's hypocritical. If someone doesn't believe, they obviously have their own
personal reasons for it. You can't convince anyone to believe in a god anymore than you
can convince someone NOT to believe. To each their own.
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But my point is that you don't need proof. The neutral, basic logic when there's no
evidence is to say that something doesn't exist. You don't need proof. If I say to you that
right now a marshmellow man is floating around your head and sprinkling invisible
glitter in your hair while having a party... do you REALLY need PROOF that it's not
true?
:roll: And I always type Christinas too :laugh: It's automatic!
scientifcally that is not the case though. You need to disprove the null. So in terms of logic,
maybe but I still don't follow, but accoridng to science you need to disprove.
LOL. Me too I always type Christina :crazy: :laugh:
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scientifcally that is not the case though. You need to disprove the null. So in terms of
logic, maybe but I still don't follow, but accoridng to science you need to disprove.
A null? Jesus being the son of god would be a null IMO... Not god.
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I see your point here. Like it was said that is what is sopowerful about fatih, the fact that
it is blind. Blest are those who believe and do not see. What do you guys think of things
like stigmata? self inflicted?
I honestly have no issues with people having faith, I completely understand that having
faith is the point.
I'm not sure what I think about stigmata. I'm not ruling out the possibility that it's actually
caused by some kind of spiritual influence, but I don't fully believe that it is either.
For sure some of them are fake, many of those claiming to have recieved those woulds have
been diagnosed with, I believe, Munchasen syndrome (not sure if I spelled that right :p)
It's also possible that they are psychosomatic symptoms. It's been discovered that it is
actually possible to mentally cause wounds, rashes and other physical symptoms on your
body, sometimes without even intending to, simply through the power of belief. I guess,
really, it would depend on the case and person in question.
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are you serious? Their morals are bogus, FAKE. If they were really so content with
waiting for marriage then why are they so ridiculously prudish and scared of sex? I think
there are alot more underlying reasons for their mentality than basic Christian dignity.
And these are people 18 years old, who have threads about carebears and that Carrie is
their guardian angel!:manson: :roll:
Seriously buddy there is a difference between abstaining and being all f**ked up because
your parents have beat a fanatical form of their religion down your throat. :crazy:
you really should judge people into on cateregory. I used to feel that waiting for marriage
was just the right thing to do but believe it or not there are acutal reasons, well thought out
and planned reasons why that is the case. Not all people do it for prudish reasons. I have
never been on that board but not all Catholics are like that, since you said rosary beads, or
even Christians.
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A null? Jesus being the son of god would be a null IMO... Not god.
Jesus never said he was the son of God, that was made up by the church like 250 years
later. Anyway these specifics dont actually corrupt my spiriuality and faith. I have found
that through prayer and positive energy, the most unlikely things can happen. Call it what
you want. ;)
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I find all this very interesting. When I was in school I used to be capable of making myself
physically sick, like come down with a bad vomiting bug or flu SIMPLY by wishing I had
it. :manson:
It happened on so many occasions I still cant explain it. :crazy:
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you really should judge people into on cateregory. I used to feel that waiting for
marriage was just the right thing to do but believe it or not there are acutal reasons, well
thought out and planned reasons why that is the case. Not all people do it for prudish
reasons. I have never been on that board but not all Catholics are like that, since you
said rosary beads, or even Christians.
I am a Christian/Catholic. Its only in bible-belter USA do you find these crazed fanatics.
Preventing someone from having sex is the first step to driving them insane. :crazy:
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Jesus never said he was the son of God, that was made up by the church like 250 years
later. Anyway these specifics dont actually corrupt my spiriuality and faith. I have found
that through prayer and positive energy, the most unlikely things can happen. Call it
what you want. ;)
I never said he did....
Good 4 you...
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Phoebe!!
... *unblocks*
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I honestly have no issues with people having faith, I completely understand that having
faith is the point.
I'm not sure what I think about stigmata. I'm not ruling out the possibility that it's
actually caused by some kind of spiritual influence, but I don't fully believe that it is
either.
For sure some of them are fake, many of those claiming to have recieved those woulds
have been diagnosed with, I believe, Munchasen syndrome (not sure if I spelled that right
:p)
I'm not sure how I feel about it but I find it rather interesting.
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... *unblocks*
:kiss: :cry: sorry baby
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so are you saying only people in the US believe in waiting til marriage that is Christians in
the US or that many people believe that but fanactics take it to a new level?
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:kiss: :cry: sorry baby
It's okay. :kiss: :laugh: I get pissed off quickly and okay again just as quickly.
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:roll: Believe me, you get them in England too. I'm living with some.
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so are you saying only people in the US believe in waiting til marriage that is Christians
in the US or that many people believe that but fanactics take it to a new level?
That made no sense. Outside of the US nobody waits til marriage no matter what religion
they pretend to be.:o
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It's okay. :kiss: :laugh: I get pissed off quickly and okay again just as quickly.
good Ve ist da same! :laugh:
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That made no sense. Outside of the US nobody waits til marriage no matter what religion
they pretend to be.:o
Muslims are very strict with that rule too outside of the US too. Men and women.
THe idea is that when you have sex on your marriage night or make love, lol, that bonds
you together. It's a very spiritual experience tht unites you as one. You only share this bond
with one person and every time after that should remind you of your wedding night and
your marriage and commitment to each other. There is this mazing book written by a priest
that explains why there are such guidelines or rules and they acutally make sense. I'm sure
no one will read it but just in case it's called couples in love. Truly an amazing book.
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Muslims are very strict with that rule too outside of the US too. Men and women.
THe idea is that when you have sex on your marriage night or make love, lol, that bonds
you together. It's a very spiritual experience tht unites you as one. You only share this
bond with one person and every time after that should remind you of your wedding night
and your marriage and commitment to each other. There is this mazing book written by a
priest that explains why there are such guidelines or rules and they acutally make sense.
I'm sure no one will read it but just in case it's called couples in love. Truly an amazing
book.
In theory. But women are second class citizens in the arab world so even if they get raped
etc they will never tell. I think there is just as much gay sex, affairs, rapes in those areas as
there is in any area but they keep in under rug swept. Its a nice idea though.:o
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In theory. But women are second class citizens in the arab world so even if they get raped
etc they will never tell. I think there is just as much gay sex, affairs, rapes in those areas
as there is in any area but they keep in under rug swept. Its a nice idea though.:o
I never said there isn't rape or gay sex. I think it's so sad to see how gays are treated in some
areas. That's a whole nother topic though. The idea i still correct, there are other places
outside of the US where people wait for marriage, not 100 percent of the people but nothing
is really 100 percent.
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be no evidence.
I think respectible, intelegent people turn off a part of their brain some times when it comes
to religion......
Keith2004 Jun 5th, 2007 06:56 PM
Quote:
I see your point here. Like it was said that is what is sopowerful about fatih, the fact that
it is blind. Blest are those who believe and do not see. What do you guys think of things
like stigmata? self inflicted?
Schizophrenia, Mental ilness, paranoyd delusions,
cant belive this thread is still poppin. oh well god won so that makes me feel a bit better
about this forum that not everyone here is full of blaspehmy and the delusion that christina
would put them before her god.
Did anyone in this thread say that Christina personally puts them before god? :crazy:
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cant belive this thread is still poppin. oh well god won so that makes me feel a bit better
about this forum that not everyone here is full of blaspehmy and the delusion that
christina would put them before her god.
Rotf :roll: I am sure that if hell exists... I'll see you there..
Tommy_Tank Jun 5th, 2007 09:07 PM
omg this thread is STILL going?! it hasnt been closed? amazing.
i missed so much drama...
Jimmy, we blasphemous heathens should get a party ready to welcome her :eek:
Only 155 posts until 1000 :blueeek: I wonder how many IQ points we all lost...

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Jimmy, we blasphemous heathens should get a party ready to welcome her :eek:
Only 155 posts until 1000 :blueeek: I wonder how many IQ points we all lost...
Partay time!!!!!!!!!!! *Plays Antichrist Superstar* Rock on and suck that Jesus!
And you wanna know how many IQ points we lost?

Peter Pan -109
jimmyboy -103
SerenityX -95
Stripped713 -93
D i R r t y x X -44
wanthony86 -41
jackiem -34
B. Suleman -27
Voila!!
Of course those numbers are relative, some might have lost a lot but it's ok, still have
posotive IQ points left...
Whoo :love: I still have a little over 50 IQ points left! :eek: I'm a retard but I can still string
some words together, thankfully. Some people might be going into negative IQ points
though :greyno: How sad.
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Rotf :roll: I am sure that if hell exists... I'll see you there..
No im saved but thanks for the offer.
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Whoo :love: I still have a little over 50 IQ points left! :eek: I'm a retard but I can still
string some words together, thankfully. Some people might be going into negative IQ
points though :greyno: How sad.
Yiah weldj jyhyffj slodjkmfjkf :eek:
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No im saved but thanks for the offer.
It wasn't an offer...
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It wasn't an offer...
Oh ok well still regardless of what it was, Im not going to hell. Not sure what else to say
so..yah
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Yiah weldj jyhyffj slodjkmfjkf :eek:
:eek: :sunny: :kiss:
This is the thread that never ends, never ends, never ends
This is the thread that never ends, never ends, never ends....
I know a song that'll... oh wait, wrong words :eek:
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Did anyone in this thread say that Christina personally puts them before god? :crazy:
No because she doesn't.
And I was just thinking today about something- Like when Christina let OK! Magazine
take pics of her wedding and said she just wanted to "share it with her fans". That's bull.
She just wanted people to see her lavish wedding that she was really proud of, she didn't
care about what we thought. I just stated that to let people know that you shouldn't worship
celebrities because they seriously don't care if you died or not.
If Christina heard that one of you died, she would probably be like "oh that's sad" and then
five minutes later forget about you. I'm not saying that Christina is a bad person, I'm just
saying that is how people are. Christina is a normal person.
Yes, but nobody in this thread even considered that Christina cares about them :nc: But if
you don't believe in god, obviously you're going to vote for Christina over the thing you
don't even think exists :manson: That's like Christina vs fairies to us. Except fairies are cute
:love: Well, in theory.
Lets_Get_Dirrty Jun 5th, 2007 10:03 PM
i dont think god would care if you died either
I don't even know why I even posted in this thread. Can we end it with that "The Price is
Right" bull horn? :roll:
Mark Anthony Jun 5th, 2007 10:14 PM

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This is the thread that never ends, never ends, never ends....
LMAO so true
Goku999 Jun 5th, 2007 11:04 PM
I'm jewish so...I don't "adore" anyone...
bump
:love:
:roll: Naughty!
Keith2004 Jun 6th, 2007 04:16 PM
Here we go again.............
.........relegion brings out the some interesting/strange sided of people
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:roll: Naughty!
lol i know :]
bring it on, my dear mujahedins and crusaders!
:angel:
Mark Anthony Jun 6th, 2007 09:10 PM
what does bump mean?
^get an old thread actual again
like you did now ;)
Everybodys talking all this stuff about me why dont they just let me live (tell me why) I
dont need permission make my own decisions OH!:kiss:
´^ lol, i forgot the song ow...help me
Sam♀ Jun 6th, 2007 09:52 PM
LMAO @ the OP :roll: :roll: :roll:
God. I doubt praying to christina will get me anything - and I'm sure Christina would be
delightfully freaked out by this thread's topic :manson: :kiss:
Sam♀ Jun 6th, 2007 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Christina Aguilera

Lord Christina have mercy on my soul
For I have walked the sinful road
That I'm down on my knees
Lord Christina have mercy on me, please
I'd be deeply disturbed if she sang that :manson: :manson:

ând that is so happening too
:manson:
Keith2004 Jun 7th, 2007 07:26 PM
:susp:
Oh and spam too
http://talk.livedaily.com/showthread.php?t=582809
made ya look :laugh:
Briterz Jun 7th, 2007 09:15 PM
OMG I can't believe I just read all of this bull:o
susu489 Jun 7th, 2007 09:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Briterz

OMG I can't believe I just read all of this bull:o
This is all what it is bull:rolleye2:
RsW2k2 Jun 7th, 2007 09:22 PM
I voted for Christina. Sorry God. :angel: Christina puts out greats albums and sounds great
live. You don't even make any appearances.
Briterz Jun 7th, 2007 09:22 PM
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This is all what it is bull:rolleye2:
People get too worked up over silly things:o
Mark Anthony Jul 1st, 2007 09:44 AM

So God won. Thank God.
Norgito Jul 1st, 2007 09:45 AM
Christina of course... lol
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Cameron Frye Jul 1st, 2007 09:46 AM
God.
I don't believe in Christina.
Sam♀ Jul 1st, 2007 10:22 AM
:roll: @ 6 voting "don't love either of them"
mordacis Jul 1st, 2007 05:07 PM
god has never made me cry, never made me cheer, never bought his albums....christina´s
performed in sweden once, god never....god´s an ungrateful diva!
there i said it
:laugh:
Hemingway Aug 23rd, 2007 07:25 PM
OMG. I'm just reading back through this thread :blueeek:
Keith2004 Aug 23rd, 2007 07:29 PM
this thread always gets a Bump like a month later.....:laugh:
Religion is a hell of a touchy topic............gotta love a closed mind :crazy:
aleronihead Aug 23rd, 2007 07:30 PM
Noooooooooooo why did you bump it?
Phoebe will be in here any minute. :p
Keith2004 Aug 23rd, 2007 07:33 PM
^ its at a point where, everyone has stated their view, and how it wont be changed so a
thread like this is Mute....still funny tho......some people got really mad :laugh:
Keith2004 Aug 23rd, 2007 07:34 PM
it should be put in golden moments:nod:
Quote:

it should be put in golden moments:nod:
agree :laugh:
you really gotta read back on Strippedd713s LEGEND comments :funny:
elliott Aug 23rd, 2007 07:42 PM
didnt see much of stripped713 after this

Keith2004 Aug 23rd, 2007 07:42 PM
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agree :laugh:
you really gotta read back on Strippedd713s LEGEND comments :funny:
what pages.....i lazy to search
Keith2004 Aug 23rd, 2007 07:44 PM
wait i found them *cringe* followed by a :funny:
poor thing seemed really hurt:laugh:
Princess Serenity Aug 23rd, 2007 07:55 PM
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Noooooooooooo why did you bump it?
Phoebe will be in here any minute. :p
*skids inside*
I'm LATE!
Quote:

:sunny:
elliott Aug 23rd, 2007 08:13 PM
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:sunny:
lol you repped me for that too :p
jesus she really got me pissed off.
i cant take all the credit though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOe7EuHclyo
I thought it was hilarious, she didn't even get it :laugh: *reps you again*
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never said it was proof of god but again Ill repeat myself...which do I personally find
more believable? dogs came from dogs or dogs came from rocks...hmm Ill go with dogs
came from dogs.
:funny:
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Mark Anthony Jun 3rd, 2007 11:56 PM

Christina vs. God

mordacis Jun 3rd, 2007 11:58 PM

mordacis Jun 3rd, 2007 11:58 PM

ok, i say christina...but i´m not christian (or religious)

~Jenna~ Jun 3rd, 2007 11:59 PM

EDT Jun 4th, 2007 12:00 AM

Stripped713 Jun 4th, 2007 12:00 AM

Hemingway Jun 4th, 2007 12:00 AM

Christina definitely hits the C7 better :nod:

Hemingway Jun 4th, 2007 12:01 AM

Jesus is God?? :scratch:

mordacis Jun 4th, 2007 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by Peter Pan

i bet god>>>>>>>>her on the lower register though!

julie. Jun 4th, 2007 12:03 AM

Interesting. I chose God.

Enter.The.Circus Jun 4th, 2007 12:04 AM

mordacis Jun 4th, 2007 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by Stripped713

Hot'N'Cold Jun 4th, 2007 12:04 AM

John_Xtrada Jun 4th, 2007 12:05 AM

kristina Jun 4th, 2007 12:05 AM

bl0ndxrebel Jun 4th, 2007 12:06 AM

BANNED for disrepectin god and ish.

meiun8 Jun 4th, 2007 12:09 AM

I voted for Christina.

Jesus Christ =/= God. Lauren Graham = God.

Mark Anthony Jun 4th, 2007 12:11 AM

Tommy_Tank Jun 4th, 2007 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by Stripped713

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Mark Anthony Jun 4th, 2007 12:12 AM

Enter.The.Circus Jun 4th, 2007 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by dirrty_mo_fo

Back2Basix Jun 4th, 2007 12:12 AM

CA217 Jun 4th, 2007 12:13 AM

It's not a choice. God created Christina so he wins.

julie. Jun 4th, 2007 12:13 AM

Tommy_Tank Jun 4th, 2007 12:14 AM

Enter.The.Circus Jun 4th, 2007 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by Syncere

Originally Posted by mordacis

Stripped713 Jun 4th, 2007 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by Syncere

meiun8 Jun 4th, 2007 12:18 AM

You're not going to die?

nexus Jun 4th, 2007 12:19 AM

Hush, Jesus is so 2007 years ago.

Stripped713 Jun 4th, 2007 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by meiun8

DirrtyBoy Jun 4th, 2007 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by sunoftheskye

Hemingway Jun 4th, 2007 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by DirrtyBoy

ew @ the washed up LD jokers. Go back to 2005 thanks. :kiss:

Enter.The.Circus Jun 4th, 2007 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by nexus

and rotf @ Joan of Arc posting here.

Originally Posted by Stripped713