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Posted: Oct 5, 2004 02:01 am
123majik123 0

Dan, does that method allow you to predict the whole headline?

Oh, and you probably don't know him, but you look a bit like the English comedian Ricky Gervais!
(David Brent)

Regular user Cheers all!

nowhere
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Posted: Oct 5, 2004 04:01 am

PaulEverson 0

Kennedy, do you mean the one with the Polaroid in MIND? That really is cool.

Regular user
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Posted: Oct 5, 2004 05:21 am

Sven Rygh 0

Quote:

Inner circle
On 2004-10-01 04:55, Vraagaard wrote:
Oslo, Norway.
1931 Posts Yes, indeed, a very subtle and bold headline prediction effect is
described in Ted Lesley's lecture notes that can be bought through Ted
Lesley and Hocus-Pocus.com.

It's a beautiful and strong method that doesn't require any gimmicks at
all.
 Just to warn you guys! Ted Lesley tells everyone who wants to listen that to do this, you need
nerves of steel, to have real talent for presentation and misdirection and years and years of
performing experience.

I got the lecture notes about six months ago and have been rehearsing and mental preparing for
this ever since.

I use a Red Cross group as a practise- and testing audience, and did among other, this for them
the other night. (Sooner or later I had to check it out, - right? )

I did pretty well, I guess. However, I have to repeat and conrm Ted Lesley's warnings.
You DO need LOTS of performing experience and special talents to drive this home as it deserves.

You should also notice that this is not a routine you do all the time, but save for a very few, special
occasions.

I really love this, and loved to try it out.

However, I am not certain about that I will do it again. I don't want to water it out or ruin it.

Sven
WWW.SVENRYGH.NO

"Keep it as simple as possible, - but no simpler"

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Posted: Oct 5, 2004 08:55 am
Vraagaard 0

I think Sven is right here. Even though it looks bold and subtle in writing you will have to manage
the dirty work when all the heat is on. It must require "grace under pressure" and thus a lot of
acting experience and skills.

Sven, I'm happy to hear you managed it. Congratulations. I plan to try it out next summer when I'm
Inner circle on a three-day trip with my friends at a summerhouse. I will make the prediction on day one and
Copenhagen,
Denmark
reveal it on day three. And my nerves are jumping by the mere thought of doing it - it must be a
1099 Posts killer and a reputation maker.

Posted: Oct 5, 2004 05:51 pm

DanHarlan 0

Quote:

A very good method you have there Dan. Do you have something that
you don't touch the props?
V.I.P.
Ohio
934 Posts

No. Do you? It's constructed to make it look like I only take the pieces away after the spectator has
handled them. In my experience, no one (including the spectator on stage) remembers my
involvement.

Quote:

Dan, does that method allow you to predict the whole headline?
 Yes. You can be as exact as you like. You can also use the method to predict any upcoming event
with an undetermined outcome (a sporting event, for example).

When I use this method, I don't tell the recipient what's in the package just in case the headline is a
major tragedy (that's the real drawback to the headline prediction), so I can always go to the
sports page or some other direction.

--Dan Harlan
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www.danharlanmagic.com
Posted: Oct 5, 2004 09:40 pm
Greg Arce 0

Dan's idea is simple yet effective. I can see this playing really big on a TV spot. It is one of the best
ideas on his DVDs on Mentalism.

Greg
One of my favorite quotes: "A critic is a legless man who teaches running."
Inner circle
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Posted: Oct 5, 2004 10:30 pm

psychic 0

I'll second that. Dan's Headline Prediction is a practical and brilliant one. I was fooled when I saw
it. (Dam*!)

Veteran user
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Posted: Oct 6, 2004 06:51 am

dusty 0

I suppose this will start a flurry of response, but here goes!

Just because we have a thousand ways to predict headlines, I don't believe we should. With such
a demonstration you are by association claiming to predict the future. If this were really possible,
why did you miss Sept 11, no WOMD in Iraq, the lottery numbers, etc.?
Veteran user
338 Posts
Reason, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T. When we perform magic, a suspension of disbelief allows the
spectators to indulge in fantasy. In mentalism we create a feeling of "I wonder if he really did read
their mind" or whatever.

IMO (and that is all it is) with a headline prediction no one will ever believe you knew the news in
advance, so you break that emotional bond with the audience. Once you do that, everything else in
your routine then comes under the microscope.

Headline predictions might work in a magic show context, but not in a mentalist's routine.
Regards,

Dusty

aka Max Gordon.

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Posted: Oct 6, 2004 08:14 am
Vraagaard 0
 Quote:

On 2004-10-06 07:51, dusty wrote:

I suppose this will start a flurry of response, but here goes!
Inner circle
Copenhagen, Just because we have a thousand ways to predict headlines, I don't
Denmark
1099 Posts believe we should. With such a demonstration you are by association
claiming to predict the future. If this were really possible, why did you
miss Sept 11, No WOMD in Iraq, the lottery numbers etc. Reason,
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T. When we perform magic, a suspension of
disbelief allows the spectators to indulge in fantasy. In mentalism we
create a feeling of "I wonder if he really did read their mind" or whatever.
IMO (and that is all it is) with a headline prediction no one will ever
believe you new the news in advance, so you break that emotional bond
with the audience. Once you do that, everything else in your routine
then comes under the microscope.

Headline predictions might work in a magic show context, but it not in a

mentalist's routine.

Interesting. I see your point. Although your point makes sense from a psychoanalysis point of
view of the spectator's behaviour and ways of thinking (it might be the rational truth), it doesn't
necessary have to be the reality between you and the spectator - simply because most of them
know it's all trickery after all - so you are constantly under some kind of a microscope anyways.

In that context nothing is wrong with a headline prediction. I'm only guessing since I never
performed a headline prediction, but it's the old discussion of "it's too impossible". I've learned
from these forums that as along as you don't claim to posses these powers it is OK to entertain
with "the impossible" approach. After all we are there to entertain and amaze. And personally, I
don't mind being under the microscope; it only forces me to prepare my act even better.

Take a look at the following link to see which appraisals Ted Lesley got from his headline
prediction in Nambia. To me it doesn't seem like he "broke" any intimate bond or relationships with
the spectators or the viewer's (I might be wrong, though). It actually seems like he was simply
gaining even more popularity. Maybe it's because his way of performing suggests trickery in the
rst place (magic acts and mental magic included) that he gets away with it - just as you write - it
belongs great in magic.

My guess would be that a headline prediction belongs great with anyone who does NOT claim to
posses these mental powers in the rst place.

http://www.wonderworkshop.de/namibia/
Posted: Oct 6, 2004 09:03 am
Marc Spelmann 0

David Berglas has one of the most amazing Newspaper predictions. What's nice is that you don't
predict the headlines but a word chosen at random. It is in his book. Really understand just how
powerful it is, and try and see it from his series.

I had absolutely no idea until I read it in his book. Let's put it this way. It requires condence, skill
Special user and management that few of us have.
London U.K.
666 Posts
A beautifully constructed piece of astonishment that is impossible for a lay person (and me) to
reconstruct.

Banachek has a very simple but extremely effective method on his Radio Magic audio tapes. Larry
Becker has a multi prediction including The Headlines of a newspaper on his A1 Tapes.
 I have a limited edition one coming out in the near future which I have used to great success.
There are so many methods but I believe it is the presentation that will make it a miracle.

Yet to see Mr Harlan's, but I like his thinking so time to get the wallet out... again....

Marc
It's not goodbye, just see you later...
Posted: Oct 6, 2004 03:36 pm
DanHarlan 0

Quote:

If this were really possible, why did you miss Sept 11, No WOMD in Iraq,
the lottery numbers etc. Reason, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T.
V.I.P.
Ohio
934 Posts

That's exactly why I like my approach. Long before the show, a sealed package arrives with
instructions not to open it. It's okay if they try -- it's tamper evident and so complicated that they'll
give up! No-one knows what's inside, and I can decide up until the very moment the show begins
what the contents will reveal.

There are, of course, other methods that accomplish a similar goal. But the point is, if there is a
terrible tragedy splashed all over the headlines, I nd something else to focus on.

On the subject of the Lottery: This "problem" arises anytime one does mentalism, whether you
overtly predict something or not. My response is, "I can only write down what I see, and my sight is
limited to small flashes of specic information. So far, the lottery numbers have not flashed into
my mind, but... perhaps... some day..."

Did you notice the double meaning in the rst sentence? I knew you would!

On the subject of WOMD: I did predict that none would be found! But no psychic powers were
needed.

--Dan Harlan
Visit My Site @

www.danharlanmagic.com
Posted: Oct 6, 2004 03:57 pm
Juan D 0

Quote:

On 2004-10-06 16:36, DanHarlan wrote:

On the subject of the Lottery:
Elite user
482 Posts This "problem" arises anytime one does mentalism, whether you overtly
predict something or not. My response is "I can only write down what I
see, and my sight is limited to small flashes of specic information. So
far, the lottery numbers have not flashed into my mind, but... perhaps...
some day..."

One thing : what a great idea!

 I've been asked this soooo many times and it is kind of disarming.

I perform an effect similar to Richard Osterlind's Cell Phone effect from Mind Mysteries, and very
often I'm confronted with this same question: "What about the lottery?" Usually I just give it a
chance and say some numbers. (They believe in me at this point), but Mr. Harlan's answer is just
very, very clever!

Once again : Great Idea!

Posted: Oct 7, 2004 03:23 am
Lee Darrow 0

One "out" on the issue of tragedies and their prediction is simply DON'T PREDICT THEM.

When I do a headline prediction, I always use something either positive or at least not tragic and
from INSIDE the paper. Newspapers have LOTS of lead lines for stories. use something that isn't
tragic, but it still visible from a distance!
V.I.P.
Chicago, IL USA Why? To avoid exactly that problem. When someone asks me about predicting 9/11 or somesuch,
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I usually state that any event with a large emotional "charge" attached to it is concealed by all of
the emotional energies that will surround the event making it impossible to see.

With respect to the lottery, I mention that there are often over a million people hoping and praying
for their numbers to come up. Their hopes and concerns act as a screen - mental static if you'd
like - that covers the real information. I then use a variation of Dan's superb slant on the "peephole
view at a blink" concept for the rest.

Hope this isn't too obscure...

Lee Darrow, C.H.

http://www.leedarrow.com
<BR>"Because NICE Matters!"
Posted: Oct 7, 2004 06:50 pm
Thoughtreader 0

Jack Dean updated one of Al Koran's predictions and it is called "Banner". It is bulletproof and is
one that is not easy to trip up the performer. Very powerful. My book also has my $1000 headline
prediction that has been well received as well. They are available from Stevens Magic, H & R
books and others.
PSIncerely Yours,
Inner circle
Calgary, Alberta, Paul Alberstat
Canada
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Posted: Dec 29, 2005 01:20 pm
lane99 0

Quote:

On 2004-10-06 10:03, Marc Spelmann wrote:

David Berglas has one of the most amazing Newspaper predictions.
Elite user
420 Posts What's nice is that you don't predict the headlines but a word chosen at
random. It is in his book.

Marc

Can someone tell me if David Berglas' prediction could be done with a complete stranger over the
radio (i.e. the participant and mentalist never meet, never communicate in any way prior to the
performance of the trick, and are not in the same place when the performance occurs)?
 Posted: Dec 29, 2005 09:58 pm
Slim King 0

I'd be interested in THAT!

THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS

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Posted: Dec 29, 2005 10:42 pm

magicman02 0

How about the impossible cassette prediction, similar to what Coppereld uses in his show.

Veteran user
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Posted: Dec 29, 2005 10:53 pm

mackmania 0

Knight and Mann's version (the Glass Box) comes with a booklet and is an excellent headline
predicition. There are also a few in Stunners Plus. To share a quick anecdote, my mentor (Ken
Sands) and I were discussing the subject and we thought of a Mentalist who closed his show with
an excellent effect. It was called "Casting the Headlines" and it seems he would use cold reading
to shout it headlines. It would go along the lines of "China will..." and "Russia will..." and "The U.S.
Regular user will...". The effect was terifc because if one of the events occurred, the spectators would forget
Orange County
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the mistakes. If it didn't work at all, no one's taking notes. Neither of us could recall who it was, but
we decided it was David Hoy (don't quote me). Might be a good idea to design your own method?

Cheers,
mackmania
"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not, none will sufce." ---Joseph "the Amazing" Dunninger
Posted: Dec 30, 2005 11:19 am
icentertainment 0

If you go with Dans Method-which is great

Just make sure that the piece of dummy prediction has a message on it such as

Inner circle please email david@whatever.com this tells you that they have opened it before the show. or your
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phone number and say the password--Dan Harlen magic

I have had the curious open the envelopes and turned up to do the show and my nale was ruined
so this is a little insurance just in case.

If all goes toplan then the audience never sees this prediction anyway so your just covering bases.

Cheers,

Dave

it is a clean prediction tho

Posted: Dec 30, 2005 09:58 pm
DoctorCognos 0

For Predictions in general, Soothsayer by Jack Dean is an interesting read that although it could
benet from some updating, gives you enough strategy to do the "updating" work for yourself (and
keep it to yourself) and come up with some very reasonable predictions ....
 The Doctor Knows.....

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