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Recovery? Italy's Poor Population Has Tripled In Last Decade
by Tyler Durden
Jul 18, 2017 2:45 AM
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Is it any wonder the Italians are revolting against the European Union?
Italians living below the level of absolute poverty almost tripled over the last decade as the country went through a
double-dip, record-long recession. As Bloomberg reports, the absolute poor, or those unable to purchasea basket of necessary
goods and services, reached 4.7 million last year, up from almost 1.7 million in 2006, national statistics agency Istat said
Thursday. That is 7.9 percent of the population, with many of them concentrated in the nations southern regions.
For decades, Italy has grappled with a low fertility rate -- just 1.35 children per woman compared with a 1.58 average
across the 28-nation European union as of 2015, the last year for which comparable data are available.

The poverty report shows how it is pointless to wonder why there are fewer newborn in Italy, said Gigi De Palo,
head of Italys Forum of Family Associations.

Making a child means becoming poor, it seems like in Italy children are not seen as a common good.

The number of absolute poor rose last year in the younger-age classes, reaching 10 percent in the group of those between
18 and 34 years old. It fell among seniors to 3.8 percent in the age group of 65 and older, the Istat report also showed.
Just a good job the government spent the equivalent of its entire defense budget bailing-out the bankers...
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Pernicious Gold... Jul 18, 2017 2:56 AM

Ummm. Are you talking about the people who just moved there, or people who were born there?
Four chan Pernicious Gold Phallusy Jul 18, 2017 3:15 AM

the subhuman rapefugees make up a considerable portion of this sad sack number im sure.
Haus-Targaryen Four chan Jul 18, 2017 3:25 AM

Anyone of those "poor" who supports the EUR as a currency or the EU as a political unit I have absolutely zero
sympathy for. Let them eat cake and drink the finest whiskies.
Anyone of those poor who hate the EUR and the EU, they have my deepest sympathies.
josie0802 Haus-Targaryen Jul 18, 2017 7:11 AM

+1!
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Four chan Pernicious Gold Phallusy Jul 18, 2017 3:19 AM

have the italians figured out the ngos set up the departure boats and the "rescue boats for the "invasion" yet?
Jubal Early Jul 18, 2017 2:56 AM

How many of this increase are truly Italian and how many are Romanians, Yugoslavs, Muslims and Africans? The real
Italian poverty rate could have decreased.
back to basics Jul 18, 2017 2:58 AM

Oh, I get it, this explains why virtually ALL political movements in Italy have abandoned the notion of exiting the euro.
It's all clear to me now.
It's all clear to me now.
Ghordius Jul 18, 2017 3:17 AM

the article is missing all context, all comparisons, everything
7.9%? ehm.... have you compared to... the US or UK, for example?
no? ah, it's a "rant away, disregard contradictions" article. well, rant away
gladitsover Ghordius Jul 18, 2017 3:29 AM

Context? How about the capitalist piggs running amok in the barn under protection of the state's monopoly on the
use of force.
Haus-Targaryen gladitsover Jul 18, 2017 4:16 AM

It isn't capitalist "piggs" destroying the system, it is just the nature of a capitalist system in its very late stages.
Capitalism rots from the head down, and Socialism rots from the bottom up.
Being the only person on ZH (that I know of) who has read bothThe Wealth of NationsandDas Kapital, both Marx
and Smith missed how human greed makes these systems unsustainable long-term.
Under Socialism the incentive to work and better yourself is removed from the population, and greed sets in as
everyone does the bare minimum to get by, because there is no point in doing more. Everything goes to shit.
Under Capitalism the "monied" classes (top 0.01% not top 1% as many idiots like to point out) attains power and
greed sets in as corruption keeps them and their money in power, even at the disadvantage of everyone else.
Everything goes to shit.
I think the biggest travesty on BOTH sides of the economic spectrum that *both* share is that they both believe
"Socialism" is synonymous with "Marxism", which it most definitely is not.
Marxist Socialism = No car company as everyone is trying not to starve to death.
Capitalism = Car company builds cars where cheapest labor and laxest environmental laws exist. HQ = Germany,
part production = Poland and China. As time goes by more and more jobs are destroyed in the country of origin to
relocate them to lowest cost centers.
"National" Socialism = Car HQ builds cars in nation, as .gov makes cost of re-import punitive. HQ = Germany,
majority part production = Germany. "Growth" of company and its potential for growth is dramatically reduced.
For people who have been reading my posts for sometime, this one is out of character, but I have had some
serious issues with our system and the ideals that "capitalism" is based on.
For a time, it works -- but then corruption sets in and it, like a fish, rots from the head down. We've been rotting
for some 40 years now.
EDIT - The problem with the "Socialst" model is power vests in the state, which is run by man and is also corrupt at
the end. Traditonally the state has power of life and death whereas private enterprise does not. Thus, in the late
stages of "Socialist" paradises -- there is rampant death and starvation as the political classes remain in power. I
think the economic systems of the 19th century need to be re-visited. Monarch/dictatorial rule mixed with the
free markets. Seemed to work well.
Lockesmith Haus-Targaryen Jul 18, 2017 4:19 AM

Under STATE Capitalism the "monied" classes (top 0.01% not top 1% as many idiots like to point out) attains
power through the STATEand greed sets in asthe STATEkeeps them and their money in power, even at the
disadvantage of everyone else. Everything goes to shit.

Fixed.
Haus-Targaryen Lockesmith Jul 18, 2017 4:23 AM

Well, yes.
I'd be interested to know if you think capitalism doesn't lead to state capitalism, as you describe it above.
I think we need a couple economists to be in the drafting sessions of the next round of constitutions that come
about. "If total debt as a percentage of the population reaches this figure, all debt is forgiven and there is a
system-reset" or something along those lines.
The moral hazard for people with money to bribe those with power to make sure those with money keep it is
human nature, its also why we find ourselves in the shitshow that we do right now.
piliage Haus-Targaryen Jul 18, 2017 9:42 AM

Adam Smith didn't figure this out, Schumpeter did. He's the one who said that capitalism's failing is an
'intellectual class' would constrain capitalism and thus impede creative destruction.
Intellectuals are people who wield the power of the spoken and written word, and one of the touches that
distinguishes them from other people who do the same is the absence of direct responsibility for practical
affairs.... The critical attitude [arises] no less from the intellectual's situation as an onlookerin most cases,
also an outsiderthan from the fact that his main chance of asserting himself lies in his actual or potential
nuisance value
According to Swedish researchers Magnus Henrekson and Ulf Jakobsson
The entrepreneurs were, according to Schumpeter, the backbone of the bourgeoisie, thus providing
capitalism with its institutional and political basis. By destroying the entrepreneurs through its effectiveness,
capitalism would also destroy its own political foundation. In an economy that is increasingly dominated by
giant corporations and devoid of entrepreneurs, the defense of capitalism has no constituency. Instead,
capitalism will have to confront increasing hostility. Here the intellectuals were, according to Schumpeter,
going to play an important role in formulating a criticism against the capitalist system and its institutions.
Eventually, a democratic and peaceful transformation of the economy to socialism would take place.
In short, yesterdays creative destroyers are today's crony capitalists. The US MUST support a free market system
to allow creative destruction to continue.
rmopf2010 Lockesmith Jul 18, 2017 4:50 AM

Don't forget welfare state/big government jobs who vote for socialism ?
If wasn't for these votes there was no socialism anywhere in the world.
Unless the mininum wage "dindos" no private worker ever votes for socialism.
The problem in almost western countries is that welfare state/big government jobs grew so much, that they're
the majority of the population and now it is impossible for the private sector to gain so much wealth to feed the
state dependents, so we see rampant poverty among the "pigs" countries.
How many of these Poor Population has a gubermint job ?
How many of these Poor Populationhas a pension by working for gubermint ?

You won't find poors among public workers!!!! it's time to say this OUT LOUD
Private workers are being squeezed of their income through never ending taxes
Haus-Targaryen rmopf2010 Jul 18, 2017 4:50 AM

Excellent point.
rmopf2010 Haus-Targaryen Jul 18, 2017 4:55 AM

Unlike you, I consider uro was a good ideia until political parties saw uro as a tool to win elections
Cheap money so they could buy more "votes"!

How many state dependents were in Italy before uro ?
How many state dependents are in Italy now ?
This is the great problem the PIGS countries face, but also the USA !!!
Too much socialims, now it is going to be hard to reduce that Big government/welfare state
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
JFK
I don't have a problem with the idea of the euro, but rather the constellation.
Germany and France have absolutely no business sharing a currency. Latvia and Portugal have absolutely no
business sharing a currency.
Group similar countries together to create price stability -- fine with me. Group countries together based on
Group similar countries together to create price stability -- fine with me. Group countries together based on
geography as an excuse to create the United States of Europe -- bad idea.

One thing for sure:
We'll never know if was German ideia to give cheap money to PIGS countries or was an unatended consequence
LMAO

Knowing many bankers, likely a chase for yield
"Why lend to house buyers at 4% when we can lend it to Spanish home buyers at 6% and there is no FX risk
anymore? I mean, whats the worst that can go wrong?"
Then group think kicks in as a few funds start raking in larger returns and then the flood-gates opened.
But that is just a guess.

This is always be a tough question to anser like: "who was born first the egg or the chicken"
I think that the root of the problems was low interest rates that led to big socialism gubermints/welfare in PIGS.
But these you'll never find in MSM talking how welfare/big govenment is the elephant in the room!
Bbecause MSM is mainly covertly funded by public unions that are "military organized" they have trolls in every
forum so that this truth does not come to peoples minds
"Never before had so many people been hired by the state, with such salaries, pensions and benefitsto the
point where the average government job paid almost three times the salary of the average private-sector
job. An egregious but not isolated example was the national railroad company, which had annual revenues of
100 million against an annual wage bill of 400 million, on top of 300 million in other expenses. This is
how the average state railroad employee came to earn 65,000 a year."
https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Greece-Everyone-Needs-Know%C2%AE/dp/019994...
Ghordius Haus-Targaryen Jul 18, 2017 6:14 AM

right. New York and Michigan, California and Ohio, Texas and Washington, they all have a business sharing a
currency
even worse: a gold standard
imagine that: the whole world sharing a currency
my goodness, what where they thinking, in the 19th Century? we know that sharing a currency is bad even
among spouses
oh, and price stability? of course it does not work, eh? except in factual reality, but we don't discuss that
Haus-Targaryen Ghordius Jul 18, 2017 6:30 AM

All those states have more similar cultures, values and a common history (where they weren't constantly killing
one another in huge numbers) than Germany and France do, for example.
I'm fine with a gold standard currency, so long as individual nation-states have the freedom to come and go
based upon their own domestic decisions.
With your joke of a currency, not only is it fiat based, so it can be printedad infinitum, but individual nation-
states don't have the ability to come and go as they please? Why? Because leaving and subsequent devaluation
would destroy the entire thing, unlike a gold-standard.
Seriously Ghordo, you attempting to conflate a gold standard with the EUR is one of your more outlandish
comparisons yet.
Ghordius Haus-Targaryen Jul 18, 2017 6:38 AM

a more similar culture?
I see a huge culture war, raging in the US. US(R) vs US(D), locked in a no compromise, no debate, no shared
views culture war bordering a "Civil Cold War", each with it's own networks of "news" and claiming (with right,
imo) that the other sides is only "fake news" and propaganda
on the other side, I see Germans, French and Italian having a consensus. including on how, (all 27 countries,
mind) negotiate Brexit with the UK
mind) negotiate Brexit with the UK
I see cooperation between Germans, French and Italians with 24 other countries... despite the different
languages
meanwhile, I don't even recognize the same English vocabulary being used between the snowflakes on the Right
and the snowflakes on the Left, in the US
(you are yourself a Culture Warrior... and you don't even see it)
methinks it's a bit of a lack of understanding from your side what a culture is. if you aren't able to communicate,
to agree on something, to co-operate... it is not one culture anymore
(meanwhile, the EU27 are, since WW2, on the path of cultural co-operation among european cultures)
rmopf2010 Ghordius Jul 18, 2017 7:06 AM

EU and US were "voted" by comunism V2.0 aka socialism, so they both have huge problem.
Ex: When we see comments from the both side of the Atlantic we see generous public pensions were given
without sustainable counterpart
How was it possivel a person to pay for social security/fund 11.5% of their income during 35 years and get
entitled to 100% during 20 years ?
Math don't add, millions are getting pensions they didn't pay for them !!!!!!!!
They're stealing from their sons and grandsons
Now that huge pile of debt everyone knows
josie0802 Ghordius Jul 18, 2017 7:31 AM

Oh really? I see EU 27 pushing and fighting and loosening bonus policies in order tosuck inin EMA, banksters and
the likes.
Haus-Targaryen Ghordius Jul 18, 2017 7:42 AM

A nation and thus a currency has to have a common culture as a base point.
The U.S. has a much more similar culture among the states than Germany and France does. Granted, the U.S.
and its "culture" are in the process of tearing itself apart, and with some luck the U.S. ends up like the Czech
Republic and Slovakia and not Yugoslavia.
Regrettably for your point of view "working together*" does not a common culture make.
*This "unity" is based on a media feeding lies to the population on such a scale -- Herr Goebbels would be green
with envy what the BND has pulled off.

paddyirishman Ghordius Jul 18, 2017 5:37 AM

shut the fuck up gordie, do you not have anything better to do in the eussr headquaters in brussels.
Ghordius paddyirishman Jul 18, 2017 6:18 AM

my goodness
I challenged the context of a number, 7.9%, and you absolutely destroyed me with factual, reality-based numbers
of other countries that show that I am talking rubbish
and not even one ad-hom. only factual information that shows that I was wrong, while keeping up the discussion
well done, Paddy the Irish Man, well done
Volaille de Bresse Jul 18, 2017 3:26 AM

"the Italians are revolting?"

I don't think so I think they're great people. I wish they were a bit more patriotic but hey Italia is a very young
country.
TheSilentMajority Jul 18, 2017 3:34 AM

Simple issue here.....Illegal migrants are suppressing wages dramatically and pushing citizens out of employment.
YouJustCouldnt Jul 18, 2017 4:28 AM

If Americans are considering a vacation in Europe they better do it sooner rather than later. In time Europe will end
up being a combination of South Africa and Afghanistan.


Ghordius YouJustCouldnt Jul 18, 2017 6:28 AM

well, Italy is fully booked, for this year
in fact, tourism is booming, in Italy. see:
Tourism in Italy - Wikipedia

"With 48.6 million tourists a year (2014),Italyis the fifth most visited country in international ..... Due to
increasedtourism, in November2016, Venetian authorities..."
Italy fears being swamped by too many tourists as visitors shun crisis ...(Telegraph article 2016)
Record Number of Tourists Visiting Italy in 2016 | Italy Travel
"Italyhas seen a steady rise intourismover the past years, and while good for its economy, the number of visitors
that descend upon the..."
Tourism - Istat
"Trips and holidays inItalyand abroad: In2016trips with overnight stays made by residents were 66,055 million
(+13.7% compared with 2015)"
Stormtrooper Ghordius Jul 18, 2017 8:26 AM

Sounds like everyone except the Italians are enjoying life in Italy.
Trisy Jul 18, 2017 5:09 AM

What a beautiful world...
https://www.statista.com/statistics/416723/mercedes-car-sales-in-italy/
Ed Jobb Jul 18, 2017 5:21 AM

You know why Italy's shaped like a boot...
You can't fit that much shit in a shoe.
Trisy Ed Jobb Jul 18, 2017 5:49 AM

Or just to kick the foolish ones
EEEEEEEEEEE Jul 18, 2017 6:45 AM

sorry mr. italian, your money will be used by EU kikes to finance saudi shit skin migrants welfare
i still have a message to you: haaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Making Merica G... Jul 18, 2017 7:36 AM

Italy = New Greece
Dominus Ludificatio Jul 18, 2017 7:53 AM

You do not need statistics to tell you the severity of the problem.Look around in many parts of Italy and all you see
are for sale signs,abandoned buildings and no buyers.
InnVestuhrr Jul 18, 2017 8:13 AM

This post must be false, otherwise why would the Italian and EU governments be importing the poverty of Africa
???????
abgary1 Jul 18, 2017 2:37 PM

Got love being part of the European Union.

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piliage Haus-Targaryen Jul 18, 2017 9:42 AM

According to Swedish researchers Magnus Henrekson and Ulf Jakobsson

rmopf2010 Lockesmith Jul 18, 2017 4:50 AM

How many of these Poor Population has a gubermint job ?

How many of these Poor Populationhas a pension by working for gubermint ?

Haus-Targaryen rmopf2010 Jul 18, 2017 4:50 AM

rmopf2010 Haus-Targaryen Jul 18, 2017 4:55 AM

Cheap money so they could buy more "votes"!

Haus-Targaryen rmopf2010 Jul 18, 2017 4:58 AM

rmopf2010 Haus-Targaryen Jul 18, 2017 5:05 AM

Haus-Targaryen rmopf2010 Jul 18, 2017 5:13 AM

But that is just a guess.

rmopf2010 Haus-Targaryen Jul 18, 2017 5:26 AM

Ghordius Haus-Targaryen Jul 18, 2017 6:14 AM

imagine that: the whole world sharing a currency

Haus-Targaryen Ghordius Jul 18, 2017 6:30 AM

Ghordius Haus-Targaryen Jul 18, 2017 6:38 AM

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Tourism in Italy - Wikipedia

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