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1 (WHEREUPON, the following was transcribed


2 from an audio recording, to wit:)
3 JUDY WOODRUFF: Good morning. I am Judy
4 Woodruff, and welcome to the Comey hearings. Our
5 PBS NewsHour special coverage of former FBI Director
6 James Comey's testimony before the Senate Select
7 Committee on Intelligence.
8 President Donald Trump abruptly fired Comey
9 a month ago, offering several reasons for doing so,
10 including the President's frustrations with the
11 FBI's investigation into possible links between
12 trump associates and Russian efforts to interfere in
13 the 2016 election.
14 Today's testimony is Comey's first time
15 speaking publicly since he was fired. Yesterday
16 afternoon, the Senate committee made public former
17 Director Comey's opening statement for today's
18 hearing, in which he outlines his meetings and
19 conversations with President Trump leading up to the
20 inauguration and the weeks that followed.
21 Joining me here in Washington in our studio
22 for our special coverage is Robert Bauer. Former

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1 White House counsel under President Barack Obama


2 from 2009 to 2011. He is now in private legal
3 practice.
4 And David Rivkin, who served in both the
5 Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush Administrations.
6 He is also now an attorney in private practice.
7 And welcome, gentlemen, to both of you, as
8 we get ready to watch these hearings. And we're
9 going to keep a close eye on the Senate hearing
10 room.
11 David Rivkin, you've been -- you've served
12 in administrations, both of you have. You know Jim
13 Comey's reputation. What are you looking for from
14 him this morning?
15 DAVID RIVKIN: Well, I am looking for him,
16 obviously, stay close to his prepared statement.
17 I'm looking for him also to be, I would say, fair in
18 how he describes his interactions, and I think he
19 would be. There's no doubt that the President tried
20 to impact his thinking about certain issues,
21 including the investigation into his first national
22 security advisor, Mr. Flynn. There's no doubt that

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1 he was also interested in being assured of his


2 loyalty. And I think a lot of people are troubled
3 by that.
4 But loyalty, I think, is something that in
5 the context of interactions in the President and
6 individuals from this Administration, not blind
7 loyalty, not loyalty to the extent of violating
8 legal duty and responsibilities, but, to me, it's
9 absolutely appropriate to ask director of the FBI
10 for his loyalty in the sense of being committed to a
11 President's agenda, no different than asking
12 Secretary of a Treasury.
13 JUDY WOODRUFF: And we're watching. I am
14 going to interrupt you.
15 We just watched James Comey take his seat
16 before the Senate Committee, surrounded, Bob Bauer,
17 by 20 or 30 photographers.
18 What are you looking for this morning? We
19 know what his open statement is. What are you
20 looking for?
21 BOB BAUER: Well, the question's going to be
22 some of the senators are going to want to push him

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1 closer to the subject of the obstruction question,


2 closer to the nature of the probe into the Russian
3 matter, sort of more details about, and will the
4 Republican senators start to run maybe some
5 interference by questioning Comey's credibility, his
6 practices in writing memos, and casting some doubt
7 about whether he's given an entirely even-handed
8 account.
9 JUDY WOODRUFF: And what we've seen, and
10 we're going continue to watch, David Rivkin and Bob
11 Bauer, watch the hearing room, because we're going
12 to go straight to the committee when they gavel to
13 order.
14 But, David Rivkin, you know, this is now a
15 scene that's become familiar to us. This is a
16 committee that's been very active looking into the
17 Russia investigation, led by Chairman Burr, the
18 Senator from North Carolina, Richard Burr, and by
19 the Vice Chairman, for this select committee, Mark
20 Warner of Virginia. They've all -- they're already
21 steeped in some of the Russia questions. So this is
22 really a piece of that investigation, isn't it?

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1 DAVID RIVKIN: It is, and it's quite


2 bipartisan, notable contrast to several things in
3 the House.
4 CHAIRMAN BURR: I call this meeting to
5 order.
6 JUDY WOODRUFF: All right. Here we go.
7 This is Chairman Burr gaveling to order.
8 (Short pause.)
9 CHAIRMAN SENATOR RICHARD BURR (R-NC):
10 Director Comey, and I appreciate your willingness to
11 appear before the committee today, and, more
12 importantly, I thank you for your dedicated service
13 and leadership to the Federal Bureau of
14 Investigation. Your appearance today speaks to the
15 trust we have built over the years, and I'm looking
16 forward to a very open and candid discussion today.
17 I'd like to remind my colleagues that we
18 will reconvene in closed session at 1:00 p.m. today,
19 and I ask that you reserve for that venue any
20 questions that might get into classified
21 information. The director's been very gracious with
22 his time, but the Vice Chairman and I have worked

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1 out a very specific timeline for his commitment to


2 be on the Hill, so we will do everything we can to
3 meet that agreement.
4 The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
5 exists to certify for the other 85 members of the
6 United States Senate and the American people that
7 the intelligence community is operating lawfully and
8 has the necessary authorities and tools to
9 accomplish its mission and keep America safe. Part
10 of our mission, beyond the oversight we continue to
11 provide to the intelligence community and its
12 activities, is to investigate Russian interference
13 in the 2016 U.S. elections. The committee's work
14 continues. This hearing represents part of that
15 effort.
16 Jim, allegations have been swirling in the
17 press for the last several weeks, and today's your
18 opportunity to set the record straight. Yesterday I
19 read with interest your statement for the record,
20 And I think it provides some helpful details
21 surrounding your interactions with the President.
22 It clearly lays out your understanding of

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1 those discussions, actions you took following each


2 conversation, and your state of mind. I very much
3 appreciate your candor, and I think it's helpful as
4 we work through to determine the ultimate truth
5 behind possible Russian interference in the 2016
6 elections.
7 Your statement also provides texture and
8 context to your interactions with the President from
9 your vantage point and outlines a strained
10 relationship. The American people need to hear your
11 side of the story just as they need to hear the
12 President's descriptions of events.
13 These interactions also highlight the
14 importance of the committee's ongoing investigation.
15 Our experienced staff is interviewing all relevant
16 parties and some of the most sensitive intelligence
17 in our country's possession.
18 We will establish the facts, separate from
19 rampant speculation, and lay them out for the
20 American people to make their own judgment. Only
21 then will we as a nation be able to move forward and
22 to put this episode to rest.

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1 There's several outstanding issues not


2 addressed in your statement that I hope you'll clear
3 up for the American people today. Did the
4 President's request for loyalty, your impression
5 that, that the one-on-one dinner of January 27th
6 was, and I quote, at least in part an effort to
7 create some sort of patronage relationship, or his
8 March 30th phone call asking what you could do to
9 lift the cloud of Russia investigation in any way,
10 alter your approach of the FBI's investigation into
11 General Flynn, or the broader investigation into
12 Russia and possible links to the campaign. In your
13 opinion, did potential Russian efforts to establish
14 links with individuals in the Trump orbit rise to
15 the level we could define as collusion? Or was it a
16 counterintelligence concern?
17 There's been a significant public
18 speculation about your decision-making related to
19 the Clinton e-mail investigation. Why did you
20 decide publicly -- to publicly announce FBI's
21 recommendations that the Department of Justice not
22 pursue criminal charges? You have described it as a

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1 choice between a bad decision and a worse decision.


2 The American people need to understand the facts
3 behind your action.
4 This committee is uniquely suited to
5 investigate Russia's interference in the 2016
6 elections. We also have a unified, bipartisan
7 approach to what is a highly charged partisan issue.
8 Russian activities during 2016 election may have
9 been aimed at one party's candidate, but as my
10 colleague Senator Rubio says frequently, in 2018 and
11 2020, it could be aimed at anyone, at home or
12 abroad.
13 My colleague Senator Warner and I have
14 worked in -- have worked to stay in lockstep on this
15 investigation. We've had our differences on
16 approach, at times, but I've constantly stressed
17 that we need to be a team, and I think Senator
18 Warner agrees with me.
19 We must keep these questions above politics
20 and partisanship. It's too important to be tainted
21 by anyone trying to score political points.
22 With that, again, I welcome you, Director,

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1 and I turn to the Vice Chairman for any comments he


2 might have.
3 SENATOR MARK WARNER (D-VA): Well, thank
4 you, Mr. Chairman.
5 And let me start by again actually thanking
6 all the members of the committee for the seriousness
7 in which they've taken on this task.
8 Mr. Comey, thank you for agreeing to come
9 testify as part of this committee's investigation
10 into Russia. I realize that this hearing has been,
11 obviously, the focus of a lot of Washington in the
12 last few days. But the truth is, many Americans who
13 may be tuning in today probably haven't focused on
14 every twist and turn of the investigation.
15 So I'd like to briefly describe, at least
16 from this senator's standpoint, what we already know
17 and what we're still investigating. To be clear,
18 this whole investigation is not about relitigating
19 the election. It's not about who won or lost. And
20 it sure as heck is not about Democrats versus
21 Republicans.
22 We're here because a foreign adversary

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1 attacked us right here at home, plain and simple,


2 not by guns or missiles, but by foreign operatives
3 seeking to hijack our most important democratic
4 process, our presidential election.
5 Russian spies engaged in a series of online
6 cyber raids and a broad campaign of disinformation,
7 all ultimately aimed at sowing chaos to undermine
8 public faith in our process, in our leadership, and,
9 ultimately, in ourselves. And that's not just this
10 senator's opinion. It is the unanimous
11 determination of the entire U.S. intelligence
12 community. So we must find out the full story, what
13 the Russians did, and, candidly, as some other
14 colleagues have mentioned, why they were so
15 successful. And, more importantly, we must
16 determine the necessary steps to take to protect our
17 democracy and ensure they can't do it again.
18 The Chairman mentioned elections in 2018 and
19 2020. In my home state of Virginia, we have
20 elections this year, in 2017. Simply put, we cannot
21 let anything or anyone prevent us from getting to
22 the bottom of this.

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1 Now, Mr. Comey, let me say at the outset, we


2 haven't always agreed on every issue. In fact, I've
3 occasionally questioned some of the actions you've
4 taken. But I've never had any reason to question
5 your integrity, your expertise, or your
6 intelligence. You've been a straight shooter with
7 this committee and have been willing to speak truth
8 to power, even at the risk of your own career, which
9 makes the way in which you were fired by the
10 President ultimately shocking.
11 Recall, we began this entire process with
12 the President and his staff first denying that the
13 Russians were ever involved, and then falsely
14 claiming that no one from his team was ever in touch
15 with any Russians.
16 We know that's just not the truth. Numerous
17 Trump associates had undisclosed contacts with
18 Russians before and after the election, including
19 the President's attorney general, his former
20 national security adviser, and his current senior
21 adviser, Mr. Kushner.
22 That doesn't even begin to count the host of

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1 additional campaign associates and advisers who've


2 also been caught up in this massive web. We saw
3 Mr. Trump's campaign manager, Mr. Manafort, forced
4 to step down over ties to Russian-backed entities.
5 The national security adviser, General Flynn, had to
6 resign over his lies about engagements with the
7 Russians. And we saw the candidate himself express
8 an odd and unexplained affection for the Russian
9 dictator, while calling for the hacking of his
10 opponent. There's a lot to investigate. Enough, in
11 fact, that then Director Comey publicly acknowledged
12 that he was leading an investigation into those
13 links between Mr. Trump's campaign and the Russian
14 government.
15 As the director of the FBI, Mr. Comey was
16 ultimately responsible for conducting that
17 investigation, which might explain why you're
18 sitting now as a private citizen.
19 What we didn't know was at the same time
20 that this investigation was proceeding, the
21 President himself appears to have been engaged in an
22 effort to influence, or at least co-opt, the

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1 director of the FBI.


2 The testimony that Mr. Comey has submitted
3 for today's hearing is very disturbing. For
4 example, on January 27th, after summoning Director
5 Comey to dinner, the President appears to have
6 threatened the director's job while telling him,
7 quote, I need loyalty. I expect loyalty.
8 At a later meeting on February 14th, the
9 President asked the attorney general to leave the
10 Oval Office so that he could privately ask Director
11 Comey, again, quote, to see way clear to letting
12 Flynn go.
13 That is a statement that Director Comey
14 interpreted as a -- as a request that he drop the
15 investigation connected to General Flynn's false
16 statements. Think about it: The President of the
17 United States asking the FBI director to drop an
18 ongoing investigation. And, after that, the
19 President called the FBI director on two additional
20 occasions, March 30th and April 11th, and asked him
21 again, quote, "to lift the cloud" on the Russian
22 investigation.

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1 Now, Director Comey denied each of these


2 improper requests. The loyalty pledge, the
3 admonition to drop the Flynn investigation, the
4 request to lift the cloud on the Russia
5 investigation. Of course, after his refusals,
6 Director Comey was fired.
7 The initial explanation for the firing
8 didn't pass any smell test. So now Director Comey
9 was fired because he didn't treat Hillary Clinton
10 appropriately. Of course, that explanation lasted
11 about a day, because the President himself then made
12 very clear that he was thinking about Russia when he
13 decided to fire Director Comey.
14 Shockingly, reports suggest that the
15 President admitted as much in an Oval Office meeting
16 with the Russians the day after Director Comey was
17 fired, disparaging our country's top law enforcement
18 official as a, quote/unquote, nut job. The
19 President allegedly suggested that his firing
20 relieved great pressure on his feelings about
21 Russia.
22 This is not happening in isolation. At the

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1 same time the President was engaged in these efforts


2 with Director Comey, he was also, at least
3 allegedly, asking senior leaders of the intelligence
4 community to downplay the Russia investigation or to
5 intervene with the director.
6 Yesterday we had DNI Director Coats and NSA
7 Director Admiral Rogers, who were offered a number
8 of opportunities to flatly deny those press reports.
9 They expressed their opinions, but they did not take
10 that opportunity to deny those reports. They did
11 not take advantage of that opportunity. In my
12 belief, that's not how the President of the United
13 States should behave.
14 Regardless of the outcome of our
15 investigation into the Russia links, Director
16 Comey's firing and his testimony raise separate and
17 troubling questions that we must get to the bottom
18 of. Again, as I said at the outset, I've seen
19 firsthand how seriously every member of this
20 committee is taking his work. I'm proud of the
21 committee's efforts so far.
22 Let me be clear: This is not a witch hunt.

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1 This is not fake news. It is an effort to protect


2 our country from a new threat that, quite honestly,
3 will not go away any time soon.
4 So, Mr. Comey, your testimony here today
5 will help us move towards that goal. I look forward
6 to that testimony.
7 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
8 CHAIRMAN BURR: Thank you, Vice Chairman.
9 Director, as discussed when you agreed to
10 appear before the committee, it would be under oath.
11 I'd ask you to please stand. Raise your right hand.
12 Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the
13 whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you
14 God?
15 MR. COMEY: I do.
16 CHAIRMAN BURR: Please be seated.
17 Director Comey, you're now under oath.
18 And I would just note to members, you will
19 be recognized by seniority for a period up to seven
20 minutes. And, again, it is the intent to move to a
21 closed session no later than 1:00 p.m.
22 With that, Director Comey, you are

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1 recognized. You have the floor for as long as you


2 might need.
3 MR. COMEY: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
4 Ranking Member Warner, members of the committee,
5 thank you for inviting me here to testify today.
6 I've submitted my statement for the record
7 and I'm not going to repeat it here this morning. I
8 thought I would just offer some very brief
9 introductory remarks, and then I would welcome your
10 questions.
11 When I was appointed FBI director in 2013, I
12 understood that I served at the pleasure of the
13 President. Even though I was appointed to a 10-year
14 term, which Congress created in order to underscore
15 the importance of the FBI being outside of politics
16 and independent, I understood that I could be fired
17 by a president for any reason or for no reason at
18 all.
19 And on May the 9th, when I learned that I
20 had been fired, for that reason, I immediately came
21 home as a private citizen. But then, the
22 explanations, the shifting explanations, confused me

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1 and increasingly concerned me.


2 They confused me because the President and I
3 had had multiple conversations about my job, both
4 before and after he took office. And he had
5 repeatedly told me I was doing a great job and he
6 hoped I would stay. And I had repeatedly assured
7 him that I did intend to stay and serve out the
8 remaining six years of my term. He told me
9 repeatedly that he had talked to lots of people
10 about me, including our current attorney general,
11 and had learned that I was doing a great job and
12 that I was extremely well-liked by the FBI
13 workforce.
14 So it confused me when I saw on television
15 the President saying that he actually fired me
16 because of the Russia investigation and learned,
17 again from the media, that he was telling, privately
18 other parties that my firing had relieved great
19 pressure on the Russia investigation.
20 I was also confused by the initial
21 explanation that was offered publicly, that I was
22 fired because of the decisions I had made during the

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1 election year. That didn't make sense to me for a


2 whole bunch of reasons, including the time and all
3 the water that had gone under the bridge since those
4 hard decisions that had to be made. That didn't
5 make any sense to me.
6 And although the law required no reason at
7 all to fire an FBI director, the administration then
8 chose to defame me and, more importantly, the FBI by
9 saying that the organization was in disarray, that
10 it was poorly led, that the workforce had lost
11 confidence in its leader.
12 Those were lies, plain and simple, and I am
13 so sorry that the FBI workforce had to hear them and
14 I'm so sorry that the American people were told
15 them.
16 I worked every day at the FBI to help make
17 that great organization better. And I say "help"
18 because I did nothing alone at the FBI. There are
19 no indispensable people at the FBI. The
20 organization's great strength is that its values and
21 abilities run deep and wide. The FBI will be fine
22 without me. The FBI's mission will be relentlessly

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1 pursued by its people, and that mission is to


2 protect the American people and uphold the
3 Constitution of the United States. I will deeply
4 miss being part of that mission, but this
5 organization and its mission will go on long beyond
6 me and long beyond any particular administration.
7 I have a message before I close for the --
8 my former colleagues at the FBI. But, first, I want
9 the American people to know this truth: The FBI is
10 honest. The FBI is strong. And the FBI is, and
11 always will be, independent.
12 And now to my former colleagues, if I may.
13 I am so sorry that I didn't get the chance to say
14 goodbye to you properly. It was the honor of my
15 life to serve beside you, to be part of the FBI
16 family, And I will miss it for the rest of my life.
17 Thank you for standing watch. Thank you for doing
18 so much good for this country. Do that good as long
19 as ever you can.
20 And, Senators, I look forward to your
21 questions.
22 CHAIRMAN BURR: Director, thank you for that

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1 testimony, both oral and the written testimony that


2 you provided to the committee yesterday and made
3 public to the American people.
4 The Chair would recognize himself, first,
5 for 12 minutes, Vice Chair for 12 minutes, based
6 upon the agreement we have.
7 Director, did the Special Counsel's Office
8 review and/or edit your written testimony?
9 MR. COMEY: No.
10 CHAIRMAN BURR: Do you have any doubt that
11 Russia attempted to interfere in the 2016 elections?
12 MR. COMEY: None.
13 CHAIRMAN BURR: Do you have any doubt that
14 the Russian government was behind the intrusions in
15 the DNC and the DCCC systems and the subsequent
16 leaks of that information?
17 MR. COMEY: No, no doubt.
18 CHAIRMAN BURR: Do you have any doubt that
19 the Russian government was behind the cyber
20 intrusion in the state voter files?
21 MR. COMEY: No.
22 CHAIRMAN BURR: Do you have any doubt that

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1 officials of the Russian government were fully aware


2 of these activities?
3 MR. COMEY: No doubt.
4 CHAIRMAN BURR: Are you confident that no
5 votes cast in the 2016 presidential election were
6 altered?
7 MR. COMEY: I'm confident. By the time --
8 when I left as director, I had seen no indication of
9 that whatsoever.
10 CHAIRMAN BURR: Director Comey, did the
11 President at any time ask you to stop the FBI
12 investigation into Russian involvement in the 2016
13 U.S. elections?
14 MR. COMEY: Not to my understanding, no.
15 CHAIRMAN BURR: Did any individual working
16 for this administration, including the Justice
17 Department, ask you to stop the Russian
18 investigation?
19 MR. COMEY: No.
20 CHAIRMAN BURR: Director, when the President
21 requested that you, and I quote, let Flynn go,
22 General Flynn had an unreported contact with the

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1 Russians, which is an offense. And if press


2 accounts are right, there might have been
3 discrepancies between facts and his FBI testimony.
4 In your estimation, was General Flynn at
5 that time in serious legal jeopardy? And in
6 addition to that, do you sense that the President
7 was trying to obstruct justice or just seek for a
8 way for Mike Flynn to save face, given he had
9 already been fired?
10 MR. COMEY: General Flynn at that point in
11 time, was in legal jeopardy. There was an open FBI
12 criminal investigation of his statements in
13 connection with the Russian contacts and the
14 contacts themselves. And so that was my assessment
15 at the time.
16 I don't think it's for me to say whether the
17 conversation I had with the President was an effort
18 to obstruct. I took it as a very disturbing thing,
19 very concerning, but that's a conclusion I'm sure
20 the special counsel will work towards, to try and
21 understand what the intention was there, and whether
22 that's an offense.

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1 CHAIRMAN BURR: Director, is it possible


2 that as part of this FBI investigation, the FBI
3 could find evidence of criminality that is not tied
4 to -- to the 2016 elections, possible collusion, or
5 coordination with Russians?
6 MR. COMEY: Sure.
7 CHAIRMAN BURR: So there could be something
8 that just fits a criminal aspect to this that
9 doesn't have anything to do with the 2016 election
10 cycle?
11 MR. COMEY: Correct. In any complex
12 investigation, when you start turning over rocks,
13 sometimes you find things that are --
14 VOICE: (Off mike) Amen.
15 MR. COMEY: -- unrelated to the primary
16 investigation that are criminal in nature.
17 CHAIRMAN BURR: Director Comey, you have
18 been criticized publicly for the decision to present
19 your findings on the e-mail investigation directly
20 to the American people. Have you learned anything
21 since that time that would've changed what you said
22 or how you chose to inform the American people?

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1 MR. COMEY: Honestly, no. I mean, it caused


2 a whole lot of personal pain for me, but as I look
3 back, given what I knew at the time and even what
4 I've learned since, I think it was the best way to
5 try and protect the justice institution, including
6 the FBI.
7 CHAIRMAN BURR: In the public domain is this
8 question of the Steele dossier, a document that has
9 been around, now, for over a year. I'm not sure
10 when the FBI first took possession of it, but the
11 media had it before you had it and we had it.
12 At the time of your departure from the FBI,
13 was the FBI able to confirm any criminal allegations
14 contained in the Steele document?
15 MR. COMEY: Mr. Chairman, I don't think
16 that's a question I can answer in an open setting
17 because it goes into the details of the
18 investigation.
19 CHAIRMAN BURR: Director, the term we hear
20 most often is "collusion." When people are
21 describing possible links between Americans and
22 Russian government entities related to the

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1 interference in our election, would you say that


2 it's normal for foreign governments to reach out to
3 members of an incoming administration?
4 MR. COMEY: Yes.
5 CHAIRMAN BURR: At what point does the
6 normal contact cross the line into an attempt to
7 recruit agents or influence or spies.
8 MR. COMEY: Difficult to say in the
9 abstract. It depends upon the context, whether
10 there's an effort to keep it covert, what the nature
11 of the requests made of the American by the foreign
12 government are. It's a -- it's a judgment call
13 based on a whole lot of facts.
14 CHAIRMAN BURR: At what point would that
15 recruitment become a counterintelligence threat to
16 our country?
17 MR. COMEY: Again, difficult to answer in
18 the abstract. But when -- when a foreign power is
19 using especially coercion or some sort of pressure
20 to try and co-opt an American, especially a
21 government official to act on its behalf, that's a
22 serious concern to the FBI and at the heart of the

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1 FBI's counterintelligence mission.


2 CHAIRMAN BURR: So if you've got a -- a -- a
3 36-page document of -- of specific claims that are
4 out there, the FBI would have to, for
5 counterintelligence reasons, try to verify anything
6 that might be claimed in there, one, and probably
7 first and foremost, is the counterintelligence
8 concerns that we have about blackmail? Would that
9 be an accurate statement?
10 MR. COMEY: Yes. If the FBI receives a
11 credible allegation that there is some effort to
12 co-opt, coerce, direct, employ covertly an American
13 on behalf of the foreign power, that's the basis on
14 which a counterintelligence investigation is opened.
15 CHAIRMAN BURR: And when you read the
16 dossier, what was your reaction, given that it was
17 100 percent directed at the President-elect?
18 MR. COMEY: Not a question I can answer in
19 an open setting, Mr. Chairman.
20 CHAIRMAN BURR: Okay. When did you become
21 aware of the cyber intrusion?
22 MR. COMEY: The first cyber -- it was all

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1 kinds of cyber intrusions going on all the time.


2 The first Russia-connected cyber intrusion, I became
3 aware of in the late summer of 2015.
4 CHAIRMAN BURR: And in that timeframe, there
5 were more than the DNC and the DCCC that were
6 targets?
7 MR. COMEY: Correct. There was a massive
8 effort to target government and nongovernmental --
9 near-governmental agencies like nonprofits.
10 CHAIRMAN BURR: What would be the estimate
11 of how many entities out there the Russians
12 specifically targeted in that timeframe?
13 MR. COMEY: It's hundreds. I suppose it
14 could be more than 1,000, but it's at least
15 hundreds.
16 CHAIRMAN BURR: When did you become aware
17 that data had been exfiltrated.
18 MR. COMEY: I'm not sure, exactly. I think
19 either late '15 or early '16.
20 CHAIRMAN BURR: And did -- did you, the
21 director of the FBI, have conversations with the
22 last administration about the risk that this posed?

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1 MR. COMEY: Yes.


2 CHAIRMAN BURR: And share with us, if you
3 will, what actions they took.
4 MR. COMEY: Well, the FBI had already
5 undertaken an effort to notify all the victims, and
6 that's what we consider the entities that were
7 attacked as part of this massive spear phishing
8 campaign. And so we notified them in an effort to
9 disrupt what might be ongoing.
10 Then there was a series of continuing
11 interactions with entities through the rest of '15
12 into '16, and then throughout '16 the Administration
13 was trying to decide how to respond to the intrusion
14 activity that it saw.
15 CHAIRMAN BURR: And the FBI, in this case,
16 unlike other cases that you might investigate -- did
17 you ever have access to the actual hardware that was
18 hacked? Or did you have to rely on a third party to
19 provide you the data that they had collected?
20 MR. COMEY: In the case of the DNC, and, I
21 believe, the DCCC, but I'm sure the DNC, we did not
22 have access to the devices themselves. We got

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1 relevant forensic information from a private party,


2 a high-class entity, that had done the work. But we
3 didn't get direct access.
4 CHAIRMAN BURR: But no content?
5 MR. COMEY: Correct.
6 CHAIRMAN BURR: Isn't content an important
7 part of the forensics, from a counterintelligence
8 standpoint?
9 MR. COMEY: It is, although what was briefed
10 to me by my folks, the people who were my folks at
11 the time, is that they had gotten the information
12 from the private party that they needed to
13 understand the intrusion by the spring of 2016.
14 CHAIRMAN BURR: Let me go back, if I can,
15 very briefly, to the decision to publicly go out
16 with your results on the e-mail.
17 Was your decision influenced by the attorney
18 general's tarmac meeting with the former President
19 Bill Clinton?
20 MR. COMEY: Yes. In -- in an ultimately
21 conclusive way, that was the thing that capped it
22 for me, that I had to do something separately to

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1 protect the credibility of the investigation, which


2 meant both the FBI and the Justice Department.
3 CHAIRMAN BURR: Were there other things that
4 contributed to that that you can describe in an open
5 session?
6 MR. COMEY: There were other things that
7 contributed to that. One significant item I can't,
8 I know the committee's been briefed on. There's
9 been some public accounts of it which are nonsense,
10 but I understand the committee's been briefed on the
11 classified facts.
12 Probably the only other consideration that I
13 guess I can talk about in an open setting is, at one
14 point, the attorney general had directed me not to
15 call it an investigation, but instead to call it a
16 matter, which confused me and concerned me. But
17 that was one of the bricks in the load that led me
18 to conclude, I have to step away from the department
19 if we're to close this case credibly.
20 CHAIRMAN BURR: Director, my last question:
21 You're not only a seasoned prosecutor, you've led
22 the FBI for years. You understand the investigative

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1 process. You've worked with this committee closely,


2 and we're grateful to you because I think we've --
3 we've mutually built trust in what your organization
4 does and -- and what we do.
5 Is there any doubt in your mind that this
6 committee can carry out its oversight role in the
7 2016 Russian involvement in the elections in
8 parallel with the now special counsel that's been
9 set up?
10 MR. COMEY: No -- no doubt. It can be done.
11 It requires lots of conversations, but Bob Mueller
12 is one of this country's great, great pros, And I'm
13 sure you all will be able to work it out with him,
14 to run it in parallel.
15 CHAIRMAN BURR: I want to thank you once
16 again, and I want to turn to the vice chairman.
17 VICE CHAIRMAN SENATOR MARK WARNER (D-VA):
18 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
19 And, again, Director Comey, thank you for
20 your service, and your comments to your FBI family I
21 know were heartfelt. Know that even though there
22 are some in the Administration who've tried to smear

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1 your reputation, you had Acting Director McCabe in


2 public testimony a few weeks back and in public
3 testimony yesterday reaffirm that the vast majority
4 of the FBI community had great trust in your
5 leadership and, obviously, trust in your integrity.
6 I want to go through a number of the
7 meetings that you referenced in your testimony. And
8 let's start with the January 6th meeting in Trump
9 Tower, where you went up with a series of officials
10 to brief the President-elect on the Russia
11 investigation. My understanding is you remained
12 afterwards to brief him on, again, quote, some
13 personally sensitive aspects of the information you
14 relayed.
15 Now, you said after that briefing you felt
16 compelled to document that conversation, that you
17 actually started documenting it soon as you got into
18 the car.
19 Now, you've had extensive experience at the
20 Department of Justice and at the FBI. You've worked
21 under presidents of both parties. What was it about
22 that meeting that led you to determine that you

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1 needed to start putting down a written record?


2 MR. COMEY: A combination of things. I
3 think the circumstances, the subject matter and the
4 person I was interacting with. Circumstances,
5 first, I was alone with the President of the United
6 States -- or the President-elect, soon to be
7 President. The subject matter, I was talking about
8 matters that touch on the FBI's core responsibility
9 and that relate to the President, President-elect
10 personally. And then the nature of the person. I
11 was honestly concerned that he might lie about the
12 nature of our meeting, and so I thought it really
13 important to document.
14 That combination of things, I'd never
15 experienced before, but it led me to believe I've
16 got to write it down, and I've got to write it down
17 in a very detailed way.
18 SENATOR WARNER: I think that's a very
19 important statement you just made. And my
20 understanding is that then, again, unlike your
21 dealings with presidents of either parties in your
22 past experience, in every subsequent meeting or

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1 conversation with this President, you created a


2 written record.
3 Did you feel that you needed to create this
4 written record or these memos because they might
5 need to be relied on at some future date?
6 MR. COMEY: Sure. I created records after
7 conversations, and I think I did it after each of
8 our nine conversations. If I didn't, I did it for
9 nearly all of them, especially the ones that were
10 substantive.
11 I knew that there might come a day when I
12 would need a record of what had happened, not just
13 to defend myself, but to defend the FBI and -- and
14 our integrity as an institution and the independence
15 of our investigative function. That's what made
16 this so -- so difficult, is it was a combination of
17 circumstances, subject matter, and the particular
18 person.
19 SENATOR WARNER: And so in all your
20 experience, this was the only president that you
21 felt like, in every meeting, you needed to document,
22 because at some point, using your words, he might

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1 put out a non-truthful representation of that


2 meeting?
3 Now, Mark --
4 MR. COMEY: That's right, Senator.
5 And I -- I -- as I said in my written
6 testimony, as FBI director, I interacted with
7 President Obama. I spoke only twice in three years,
8 and didn't document it. When I was deputy attorney
9 general, I had one one-on-one meeting with President
10 Bush about a very important and difficult national
11 security matter. I didn't write a memo documenting
12 that conversation either. Sent a quick e-mail to my
13 staff to let them know there was something going on,
14 but I didn't feel, with President Bush, the need to
15 document it in that way. Again, because of the
16 combination of those factors just wasn't present
17 with either President Bush or President Obama.
18 SENATOR WARNER: I -- I think that is very
19 significant. I think others will probably question
20 that.
21 Now, our -- the Chairman and I have
22 requested those memos. It is our hope that the FBI

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1 will get this committee access to those memos so


2 that, again, we can read that contemporaneous
3 rendition so that we've got your side of the story.
4 Now, I know members have said, and press
5 have said, that if you were -- a great deal's been
6 made of whether the President -- you were asked to,
7 in effect, indicate whether the President was the
8 subject of any investigation.
9 And my understanding is, prior to your
10 meeting on January 6th, you discussed with your
11 leadership team whether or not you should be
12 prepared to assure then President-Elect Trump that
13 the FBI was not investigating him personally.
14 Now, my understanding is your leadership
15 team agreed with that. But was that a unanimous
16 decision? Was there any debate about that?
17 MR. COMEY: Was it unanimous? One of the
18 members of the leadership team had a view that
19 although it was technically true, we did not have a
20 counterintelligence file case open on
21 then-President-elect Trump.
22 His concern was because we're looking at the

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1 potential -- again, that's the subject of the


2 investigation -- coordination between the campaign
3 and Russia, because it was President Trump --
4 President-elect Trump's campaign, this person's view
5 was, inevitably, his behavior, his conduct, will
6 fall within the scope of that work. And so he was
7 reluctant to make the statement that I made. I
8 disagreed. I thought it was fair to say what was
9 literally true: There is not a counterintelligence
10 investigation of Mr. Trump. And I decided, in the
11 moment, to say it, given the nature of our
12 conversation.
13 SENATOR WARNER: At that moment in time.
14 Did you ever revisit that as a -- in -- in these
15 subsequent sessions?
16 MR. COMEY: With the FBI leadership team?
17 SENATOR WARNER: With the team -- with your
18 team.
19 MR. COMEY: Sure, and -- and the -- the
20 leader who had that view, it didn't change. His
21 view was still that it was probably -- although
22 literally true, his concern was it could be

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1 misleading, because the nature of the investigation


2 was such that it might well touch -- obviously, it
3 would touch the campaign, and the person at the head
4 of the campaign would be the candidate. And so that
5 was his view throughout.
6 SENATOR WARNER: Let me move to the January
7 27th dinner, where you said, quote, The President
8 began by asking me whether I wanted to stay on as
9 FBI director. He also indicated that lots of people
10 -- again, your words -- wanted the job.
11 You go on to say that the dinner itself was
12 seemingly an effort to, quote, to have you ask him
13 for your job, and create some sort of,
14 quote/unquote, patronage relationship.
15 The President seems, from my reading of your
16 memo, to be holding your job, or your possibility of
17 continuing in your job, over your head in a fairly
18 direct way. What was your impression, and what did
19 you mean by this notion of a patronage relationship?
20 MR. COMEY: Well, my impression, and, again,
21 it's my impression, I could always be wrong. But my
22 common sense told me that what was going on is

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1 either he had concluded, or someone had told him,


2 that you didn't -- you've already asked Comey to
3 stay, and you didn't get anything for it, and that
4 the dinner was an effort to build a relationship --
5 in fact, he asked specifically -- of loyalty in the
6 context of asking me to stay.
7 And, as I said, what was odd about that is
8 we'd already talked twice about it by that point.
9 And he'd said, "I very much hope you'll stay." "I
10 hope you'll stay."
11 In fact, I just remembered, sitting here, a
12 third one. When -- you've seen the picture of me
13 walking across the Blue Room. And what the
14 President whispered in my ear was, "I really look
15 forward to working with you." So, after those
16 encounters --
17 SENATOR WARNER: And that was just a few
18 days before you were fired?
19 MR. COMEY: Yeah, that was on the 20 -- the
20 Sunday after the inauguration. The next Friday, I
21 have dinner, and the President begins by wanting to
22 talk about my job. And so I'm sitting there

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1 thinking, wait a minute, three times we've


2 already -- you've already asked me to stay, or
3 talked about me staying. And my common sense --
4 again, I could be wrong, but my common sense told me
5 what's going on here is that he's looking to get
6 something in exchange for granting my request to
7 stay in the job.
8 SENATOR WARNER: And, again, we all
9 understand -- I was a governor, I had people work
10 for me. But this constant request -- and, again,
11 quoting you, him saying that he -- despite you
12 explaining your independence, he kept coming back to
13 "I need loyalty." "I expect loyalty."
14 Had you ever had any of those kind of
15 requests before from anyone else you'd worked for in
16 the government?
17 MR. COMEY: No, and what made me uneasy was
18 I'm, at that point, the director of the FBI. The
19 reason that Congress created a ten-year term is so
20 that the director is not feeling as if they're
21 serving at -- with political loyalty owed to any
22 particular person.

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1 The -- the statue of Justice has a blindfold


2 on because you're not supposed to be peeking out to
3 see whether your patron is pleased or not with what
4 you're doing. It should be about the facts and the
5 law. That's why I was -- that's why I became FBI
6 director, to be in that kind of position. So that's
7 why I was so uneasy.
8 SENATOR WARNER: Well, let me -- let me move
9 on. My time's running out.
10 February 14th -- again, it seems a bit
11 strange. You were in a meeting, And your direct
12 superior, the attorney general, was in that meeting,
13 as well. Yet the President asked everyone to leave,
14 including the attorney general to leave, before he
15 brought up the matter of General Flynn.
16 What was your impression of that type of
17 action? Had you ever seen anything like that
18 before?
19 MR. COMEY: No. My impression was,
20 something big is about to happen. I need to
21 remember every single word that is spoken. And,
22 again, I could be wrong, but I'm 56 years old, I've

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1 been -- seen a few things. My sense was the


2 attorney general knew he shouldn't be leaving, which
3 is why he was lingering, And I don't know
4 Mr. Kushner well, but I think he picked up on the
5 same thing. And so I knew something was about to
6 happen that I needed to pay very close attention to.
7 SENATOR WARNER: And I -- I found it very
8 interesting that in the memo that you wrote after
9 this February 14th pull-aside, you made clear that
10 you wrote that memo in a way that was unclassified.
11 If you affirmatively made the decision to
12 write a memo that was unclassified, was that because
13 you felt, at some point, the facts of that meeting
14 would have to come clean and come clear and actually
15 be able to be cleared in a way that could be shared
16 with the American people?
17 MR. COMEY: Well, I remember thinking this
18 is a very disturbing development, really important
19 to our work. I need to document it and preserve it
20 in a way -- and -- and this committee gets this, but
21 sometimes when things are classified, it tangles
22 them up. It's hard --

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1 SENATOR WARNER: Amen.


2 MR. COMEY: -- to share it within an
3 investigative team. It's -- you have to be very
4 careful about how you handle it, for good reason.
5 So my thinking was, if I write it in such a
6 way that I don't include anything that would trigger
7 a classification, that'll make it easier for us to
8 discuss within the FBI and the government and to --
9 to hold on to it in a way that makes it accessible
10 to us.
11 SENATOR WARNER: Well, again, it's our hope,
12 particularly since you're a pretty knowledgeable guy
13 and you wrote this in a way that was unclassified,
14 that this committee will get access to that
15 unclassified document. I think it'll be very
16 important to our investigation.
17 Let me just ask this in closing: How many
18 ongoing investigations, at any time, does the FBI
19 have going on? Going on --
20 MR. COMEY: Oh, tens of thousands.
21 SENATOR WARNER: Tens of thousands.
22 Did the President ever ask about any other

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1 ongoing investigation?
2 MR. COMEY: No.
3 SENATOR WARNER: Did he ever ask about you
4 trying to interfere on any other investigation?
5 MR. COMEY: No.
6 SENATOR WARNER: I think, again, this speaks
7 volumes. This doesn't even get to the questions
8 around the -- the phone calls about lifting the
9 cloud. I know other members will get to that, but I
10 really appreciate your testimony and appreciate your
11 service to our nation.
12 MR. COMEY: Thank you, Senator Warner.
13 You know, I just -- I'm sitting here, we're
14 going through my contacts with him. I had one
15 conversation with the President that was classified
16 where he asked about our -- an ongoing intelligence
17 investigation. It was brief and entirely
18 professional.
19 SENATOR WARNER: But he didn't ask you to
20 take any specific action on that?
21 MR. COMEY: Oh, no. No.
22 SENATOR WARNER: Unlike what he had done

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1 vis--vis Mr. Flynn and the overall Russia


2 investigation?
3 MR. COMEY: Correct.
4 SENATOR WARNER: Thank you, sir.
5 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Risch.
6 SENATOR JAMES RISCH (R-ID): Thank you very
7 much.
8 Mr. Comey, thank you for your service.
9 America needs more like you, and we really
10 appreciate it.
11 Yesterday, I got, and everybody got, the
12 seven pages of your direct testimony that's now a
13 part of the record here. And the first -- I read
14 it, then I read it again, and all I could think was,
15 number one, how much I hated the class of legal
16 writing when I was in law school. And you were the
17 guy that probably got the A, after -- after reading
18 this.
19 So I -- I find it clear, I find it concise.
20 And having been a prosecutor for a number of years
21 and handling hundred, maybe thousands, of cases, and
22 read police reports, investigative reports, this is

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1 as good as it gets. And -- and I really appreciate


2 that, not only -- not only the conciseness and the
3 clearness of it, but also the fact that you have
4 things that were written down contemporaneously when
5 they happened, and you actually put them in quotes,
6 so we know exactly what happened and we're not
7 getting some rendition of it that -- that's in your
8 mind. So --
9 MR. COMEY: Thank you, Senator.
10 SENATOR RISCH: -- so you're -- you're to be
11 complimented for that.
12 MR. COMEY: I had great parents and great
13 teachers who beat that into me.
14 SENATOR RISCH: That's obvious, sir.
15 The -- the Chairman walked you through a
16 number of things that -- that the American people
17 need to know and want to know. Number one,
18 obviously we're -- all know about the active
19 measures that the Russians have taken. I think a
20 lot of people were surprised at this. Those of us
21 that work in the intelligence community didn't -- it
22 didn't come as a surprise. But now the American

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1 people know this, and it's good they know this,


2 because this is serious, and it's a problem.
3 I -- I think, secondly, I gather from all
4 this that you're willing to say now that while you
5 were director, the President of the United States
6 was not under investigation; is that a fair
7 statement?
8 MR. COMEY: That's correct.
9 SENATOR RISCH: All right. So that's a fact
10 that we can rely at this --
11 MR. COMEY: Yes, sir.
12 SENATOR RISCH: Okay. On -- I remember,
13 you -- you talked with us shortly after February
14 14th, when the New York Times wrote an article that
15 suggested that the Trump campaign was colluding with
16 the Russians. You remember reading that article
17 when it first came out?
18 MR. COMEY: I do. It was about allegedly,
19 the extensive electronic surveillance --
20 SENATOR RISCH: Correct.
21 MR. COMEY: -- communications. Yes, I do.
22 SENATOR RISCH: And -- and that upset you to

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1 the point where you actually went out and surveyed


2 the intelligence community to see whether -- whether
3 you were missing something in that; is that correct?
4 MR. COMEY: That's correct. I want to be
5 careful in open setting, but --
6 SENATOR RISCH: I -- I'm -- I'm not going to
7 go any further than that with it.
8 MR. COMEY: Okay.
9 SENATOR RISCH: So thank you.
10 In addition to that, after that, you sought
11 out both Republican and Democrat senators to tell
12 them that, "Hey, I don't know where this is coming
13 from, but this is not the -- this is not factual."
14 Do you recall that?
15 MR. COMEY: Yes.
16 SENATOR RISCH: Okay. So -- so, again, so
17 the American people can understand this, that report
18 by the New York Times was not true; is that a fair
19 statement?
20 MR. COMEY: In -- in the main, it was not
21 true. And, again, all of you know this, maybe the
22 American people don't. The challenge, and I'm not

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1 picking on reporters, about writing stories about


2 classified information is, is that people talking
3 about it often don't really know what's going on,
4 and those of us who actually know what's going on
5 are not talking about it. And we don't call the
6 press to say, "Hey, you got that thing wrong about
7 this sensitive topic." We just have to leave it
8 there.
9 I mentioned to the Chairman the nonsense
10 around what influenced me to make the July 5th
11 statement. Nonsense. But I can't go explaining how
12 it's nonsense.
13 SENATOR RISCH: Thank you.
14 All right. So -- so those three things we
15 now know regarding the active measures, whether the
16 President's under investigation and the collusion
17 between the -- the Russian -- the Trump campaign and
18 the Russians.
19 I -- I want to drill right down, as my time
20 is limited, to the most recent dust-up regarding
21 allegations that the President of the United States
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1 on page 5, paragraph 3. You put this in quotes --


2 words matter. You wrote down the words so we can
3 all have the words in front of us now. There's 28
4 words there that are in quotes, and it says, quote,
5 I hope -- this is the President speaking -- I hope
6 you can see your way clear to letting this go, to
7 letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can
8 let this go.
9 Now, those are his exact words; is that
10 correct?
11 MR. COMEY: Correct.
12 SENATOR RISCH: And you wrote them here, and
13 you put them in quotes?
14 MR. COMEY: Correct.
15 SENATOR RISCH: Thank you for that.
16 He did not direct you to let it go?
17 MR. COMEY: Not in his words, no.
18 SENATOR RISCH: He did not order you to let
19 it go.
20 MR. COMEY: Again, those words are not an
21 order.
22 SENATOR RISCH: He said, "I hope." Now,

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1 like me, you probably did hundreds of cases, maybe


2 thousands of cases, charging people with criminal
3 offenses. And, of course, you have knowledge of the
4 thousands of cases out there that -- where people
5 have been charged.
6 Do you know of any case where a person has
7 been charged for obstruction of justice or, for that
8 matter, any other criminal offense, where this --
9 they said, or thought, they hoped for an outcome?
10 MR. COMEY: I don't know well enough to
11 answer. And the reason I keep saying his words is,
12 I took it as a direction.
13 SENATOR RISCH: Right.
14 MR. COMEY: I mean, this is the President of
15 the United States, with me alone, saying, "I hope"
16 this. I took it as, this is what he wants me to do.
17 SENATOR RISCH: You didn't --
18 MR. COMEY: Now I -- I didn't obey that, but
19 that's the way I took it.
20 SENATOR RISCH: You -- you may have taken it
21 as a direction, but that's not what he said.
22 MR. COMEY: Correct. I --

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1 SENATOR RISCH: He said --


2 MR. COMEY: That's why --
3 SENATOR RISCH: He said -- he said, "I
4 hope."
5 MR. COMEY: Those are exact words, correct.
6 RISCH: Okay, do you -- you don't know of
7 anyone that's ever been charged for hoping
8 something; is that a fair statement?
9 MR. COMEY: I don't, as I sit here.
10 SENATOR RISCH: Yeah. Thank you.
11 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
12 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Feinstein?
13 SENATOR DIANNE FEINSTEIN (D-CA): Thanks
14 very much, Mr. Chairman.
15 Mr. Comey, I just want you to know that I
16 have great respect for you. Senator Cornyn and I
17 sit on the Judiciary Committee, so we have occasion
18 to have you before us. And I know that you're a man
19 of strength and integrity, and I really regret the
20 situation that we all find ourselves in. I just
21 want to say that.
22 Let me begin with one overarching question.

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1 Why do you believe you were fired?


2 MR. COMEY: Guess I don't know for sure. I
3 believe the -- I take the President at his word that
4 I was fired because of the Russia investigation.
5 Something about the way I was conducting it, the
6 President felt created pressure on him that he
7 wanted to relieve.
8 Again, I didn't know that at the time, but I
9 watched his interview, I've read the press accounts
10 of his conversations. So I take him at his word
11 there.
12 Now, look, I -- I could be wrong. Maybe
13 he's saying something that's not true, but I take
14 him at his word, at least based on what I know now.
15 SENATOR FEINSTEIN: Talk for a moment about
16 his request that you pledge loyalty, and your
17 response to that and what impact you believe that
18 had?
19 MR. COMEY: I -- I don't know for sure,
20 because I don't know the President well enough to
21 read him well. I think it was -- because our
22 relationship didn't get off to a great start, given

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1 the conversation I had to have on January 6th, this


2 was not -- this didn't improve the relationship,
3 because it was very, very awkward. He was asking
4 for something, and I was refusing to give it. But,
5 again, I don't know him well enough to know how he
6 reacted to that, exactly.
7 SENATOR FEINSTEIN: Do you believe the
8 Russia investigation played a role?
9 MR. COMEY: In why I was fired?
10 SENATOR FEINSTEIN: Yes.
11 MR. COMEY: Yes, because I've seen the
12 President say so.
13 SENATOR FEINSTEIN: Okay. Let's -- let's go
14 to the Flynn issue.
15 Senator Risch outlined a -- "I hope you
16 could see your way to letting Flynn go. He's a good
17 guy. I hope you can let this go."
18 But you also said in your written remarks,
19 and I quote, that you had understood the President
20 to be requesting that we drop any investigation of
21 Flynn in connection with false statements about his
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1 December, end quote.


2 Please go into that with more detail.
3 MR. COMEY: Well, the -- the context and the
4 President's words are what led me to that
5 conclusion. As I said in my statement, I could be
6 wrong, but Flynn had been forced to resign the day
7 before, and -- and the controversy around General
8 Flynn at that point in time was centered on whether
9 he had lied to the Vice President about the nature
10 of his conversations with the Russians, whether he
11 had been candid with others in the course of that.
12 And so that happens on the day before. On
13 the 14th, the President makes specific reference to
14 that. And so that's why I understood him to be
15 saying that what he wanted me to do was drop any
16 investigation connected to Flynn's account of his
17 conversations with the Russians.
18 SENATOR FEINSTEIN: Now, here's the
19 question: You're big. You're strong. I know the
20 Oval Office, and I know what happens to people when
21 they walk in. There is a certain amount of
22 intimidation. But why didn't you stop and say,

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1 "Mr. President, this is wrong. I cannot discuss


2 this with you"?
3 MR. COMEY: It's a great question. Maybe if
4 I were stronger, I would have. I was so stunned by
5 the conversation that I just --
6 SENATOR FEINSTEIN: (Inaudible).
7 MR. COMEY: -- took it in. And the only
8 thing I could think to say, because I was playing in
9 my mind, because I could remember every word he
10 said -- I was playing in my mind, what should my
11 response be? And that's why I very carefully chose
12 the words.
13 And, look, I -- I've seen the tweet about
14 tapes, "Lordy, I hope there are tapes." I -- I
15 remember saying, "I agree he's a good guy," as a way
16 of saying, "I'm not agreeing with what you just
17 asked me to do."
18 Again, maybe other people would be stronger
19 in that circumstance, but that -- that was -- that's
20 how I conducted myself. I -- I hope I'll never have
21 another opportunity. Maybe if I did it again, I
22 would do it better.

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1 SENATOR FEINSTEIN: You described two phone


2 calls that you received from President Trump, one on
3 March 30 and one on April 11, where he, quote,
4 described the Russia investigation as a cloud that
5 was impairing his ability, end quote, as President,
6 and asked you, quote, to lift the cloud, end quote.
7 What -- how did you interpret that? And
8 what did you believe he wanted you to do?
9 MR. COMEY: I interpreted that as he was
10 frustrated that the Russia investigation was taking
11 up so much time and energy, I -- I think he meant,
12 of the executive branch, but in the -- in the public
13 square in general, and it was making it difficult
14 for him to focus on other priorities of his. But
15 what he asked me was actually narrower than that.
16 So I think what he meant by the "cloud," and, again,
17 I could be wrong, but what I think he meant by the
18 "cloud" was the entire investigation is -- is taking
19 up oxygen and making it hard for me to focus on the
20 things I want to focus on.
21 The "ask" was to get it out that I, the
22 President, am not personally under investigation.

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1 SENATOR FEINSTEIN: After April 11th, did he


2 ask you more, ever, about the Russia investigation?
3 Did he ask you any questions.
4 MR. COMEY: We never spoke again after April
5 11th.
6 SENATOR FEINSTEIN: You told the President,
7 I -- I would see what we could do. What did you
8 mean?
9 MR. COMEY: It was kind of a slightly
10 cowardly way of trying to avoid telling him, we're
11 not going to do that, that I would see what we could
12 do. It was a way of kind of getting off the phone,
13 frankly. And then I turned and handed it to the
14 acting deputy attorney general, Mr. Boente.
15 SENATOR FEINSTEIN: So I wanted to go into
16 that. Who did you talk with about that, lifting the
17 cloud, stopping the investigation, back at the FBI,
18 and what was their response.
19 MR. COMEY: Well, the FBI, during one of the
20 two conversations -- I'm not remembering exactly, I
21 think the first, my chief of staff was actually
22 sitting in front of me and heard my end of the

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1 conversation, because the President's call was a


2 surprise.
3 And I discussed the lifting the cloud and
4 the request with the senior leadership team, who
5 in -- in -- typically, and I think in all these
6 circumstances, was the deputy director, my chief of
7 staff, the general counsel, the deputy director's
8 chief counsel, and I think in a number of
9 circumstances the number three in the FBI, and a few
10 of the conversations included the head of the
11 national security branch, so that group of us that
12 lead the FBI when it comes to national security.
13 SENATOR FEINSTEIN: Okay. You have the
14 President of the United States asking you to stop an
15 investigation that's an important investigation.
16 What was the response of your colleagues.
17 MR. COMEY: I think they were as shocked and
18 troubled by it as I was. Some said things that led
19 me to believe that. I don't remember exactly, but
20 the reaction was similar to mine. They're all
21 experienced people who had never experienced such a
22 thing. So they were very concerned.

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1 And then the conversation turned to about,


2 so what should we do with this information? And
3 that was a struggle for us, because we are the
4 leaders of the FBI. So it's been reported to us, in
5 that I heard it and now I've shared it with the
6 leaders of the FBI -- our -- our conversation was,
7 should we share this with any senior officials at
8 the Justice Department.
9 Our -- our absolute primary concern was, we
10 can't infect the investigative team. We don't want
11 the agents and analysts working on this to know the
12 President of the United States has -- has asked --
13 and when it comes from the President, I took it as a
14 direction -- to get rid of this investigation,
15 because we're not going to follow that -- that
16 request.
17 And so we decided we gotta keep it away from
18 our troops, but is there anybody else we ought to
19 tell at the Justice Department. And as I laid out
20 in my -- in my statement, we considered whether to
21 tell the attorney general, decided that didn't make
22 sense because we believed, rightly, that he was

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1 shortly going to recuse.


2 There were no other Senate-confirmed leaders
3 in the Justice Department at that point. The deputy
4 attorney general was Mr. Boente, who was acting and
5 going to be shortly in that seat. And we decided
6 the best move would be to hold it, keep it in a box,
7 document it, as we'd already done, and then this
8 investigation's going to go on. Figure out what to
9 do with it down the road. Is there way to
10 corroborate this?
11 Our view at the time, was, look, it's your
12 word against the President's. There's no way to
13 corroborate this. That -- my view of that changed
14 when the prospect of tapes was raised, but that's
15 how we thought about it then.
16 SENATOR FEINSTEIN: Thank you.
17 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
18 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Rubio.
19 SENATOR MARCO RUBIO (R-FL): Thank you.
20 Director Comey, the meeting in the Oval
21 Office where he made the request about Mike Flynn,
22 was that the only time he asked you to hopefully let

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1 it go?
2 MR. COMEY: Yes.
3 SENATOR RUBIO: And in that meeting, as you
4 understood it, that was -- he was asking you not
5 about the general Russia investigation, he was
6 asking very specifically about the jeopardy that
7 Flynn was in himself?
8 MR. COMEY: That's how I understood it, yes,
9 sir.
10 SENATOR RUBIO: And as you perceived it,
11 while it was a request that he hoped you did away
12 with it, you perceived it as an order, given his
13 position, the setting, and the like, and some of the
14 circumstances?
15 MR. COMEY: Yes.
16 SENATOR RUBIO: At the time, did you say
17 anything to the President about, that is not an
18 appropriate request, or did you tell the White House
19 counsel, "That is not an appropriate request,
20 someone needs to go tell the President that he can't
21 do these things"?
22 MR. COMEY: I didn't, no.

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1 SENATOR RUBIO: Okay. Why?


2 MR. COMEY: I don't know. I think the -- as
3 I said earlier, I think the circumstances were such
4 that it was -- I was a bit stunned, and didn't have
5 the presence of mind.
6 And I don't know -- you know, I don't want
7 to make you -- sound like I'm Captain Courageous. I
8 don't know whether, even if I had the presence of
9 mind, I would have said to the President, "Sir,
10 that's wrong." I don't know whether I would have.
11 SENATOR RUBIO: Okay.
12 MR. COMEY: But in the moment, it -- it
13 didn't -- it didn't come to my mind. What came to
14 my mind is, be careful what you say. And so I said,
15 "I agree, Flynn is a good guy."
16 SENATOR RUBIO: So on the cloud, we keep
17 talking about this cloud, you perceived the cloud to
18 be the Russian investigation in general, correct?
19 MR. COMEY: Yes, sir.
20 SENATOR RUBIO: But his specific ask was
21 that you would tell the American people what you had
22 already told him, what you had already told the

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1 leaders of Congress, both Democrats and Republicans,


2 that he was not personally under investigation?
3 MR. COMEY: Yes, sir, that's how I --
4 SENATOR RUBIO: In fact, he was asking you
5 to do what you have done here today?
6 MR. COMEY: Correct. Yes, sir.
7 SENATOR RUBIO: Okay. And, again, at that
8 setting, did you say to the President that it would
9 be inappropriate for you to do so, and then talk to
10 the White House counsel or anybody so hopefully they
11 would talk to him and tell him that he couldn't do
12 this?
13 MR. COMEY: First time, I said, "I'll see
14 what we can do." Second time, I explained how it
15 should work, that the White House counsel should
16 contact the deputy attorney general.
17 SENATOR RUBIO: You told him that?
18 MR. COMEY: The President said, "Okay, then
19 I think that's what I'll do."
20 SENATOR RUBIO: And just to be clear, for
21 you to make a public statement that he was not under
22 investigation would not have been illegal, but you

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1 felt it made no sense because it could potentially


2 create a duty to correct if circumstances changed?
3 MR. COMEY: Yes, sir. We wrestled with it
4 before my testimony where I confirmed that there was
5 an investigation, and there were two primary
6 concerns. One was it creates a duty to correct,
7 which I've lived before, and you want to be very
8 careful about doing that. And, second, it's a
9 slippery slope, because if we say the President and
10 the Vice President aren't under investigation,
11 what's the principled basis for -- for stopping.
12 SENATOR RUBIO: Okay.
13 MR. COMEY: And so the leadership at -- at
14 Justice, Acting Attorney General Boente, said,
15 "You're not going to do that."
16 SENATOR RUBIO: Now, on March 30th, during
17 the phone call about General Flynn, you said he
18 abruptly shifted and brought up something that you
19 call, quote-unquote, the McCabe thing.
20 Specifically, the McCabe thing, as you understood
21 it, was that McCabe's wife had received campaign
22 money from what I assume means Terry McAuliffe?

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1 MR. COMEY: Yes, sir. That's what --


2 SENATOR RUBIO: Who was very close to the
3 Clintons. And -- and so why did you -- had the
4 President at any point in time expressed to you
5 concern, opposition, potential opposition to McCabe,
6 "I don't like this guy because he got money from
7 someone that's close to Clinton"?
8 MR. COMEY: He had asked me during previous
9 conversations about Andy McCabe and said, in
10 essence, "How's he going to be with me as President?
11 I was pretty rough on 'em on the campaign trail."
12 And --
13 SENATOR RUBIO: He was rough on McCabe?
14 MR. COMEY: He was rough -- by his own
15 account, he said he was rough on McCabe and
16 Mrs. McCabe on the campaign trail, "How's he going
17 to be?" And I assured the President, "Andy is a
18 total pro. No issue at all. You got to know the
19 people of the FBI, they are not" --
20 SENATOR RUBIO: So -- so when the President
21 turns to you and says, "Remember, I never brought up
22 the McCabe thing because you said he was a good

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1 guy," did you perceive that to be a statement that


2 "I took care of you," "I -- I didn't do something
3 because you told me he was a good guy, so now, you
4 know, I'm asking you, potentially, for something in
5 return"? Is that how you perceived it?
6 MR. COMEY: I wasn't sure what to make of
7 it, honestly. That's possible, but it -- it was so
8 out of context that I didn't have a clear view of
9 what it was.
10 SENATOR RUBIO: Now, on a number of
11 occasions here, you bring up -- let's talk now about
12 the general Russia investigation, okay? On page 6
13 of your testimony, you say -- the first thing you
14 say is: He asked what we could do to,
15 quote/unquote, lift the cloud, the general Russia
16 investigation.
17 And you responded that we were investigating
18 the matter as quickly as we could and that there
19 would be great benefit if we didn't find anything,
20 to having done the work well. And he agreed. He
21 reemphasized the problems it was causing him, but he
22 agreed.

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1 So, in essence, the President agreed with


2 your statement that it would be great if we could
3 have an investigation, all the facts came out, and
4 we found nothing. So he agreed that that would be
5 ideal, but this cloud is still messing up my ability
6 to do the rest of my agenda.
7 Is that an accurate assessment of --
8 MR. COMEY: Yes, sir. He actually went
9 farther than that. He -- he said, "And if some of
10 my satellites did something wrong, it'd be good to
11 find that out."
12 SENATOR RUBIO: Well, that's the second
13 part, and that is the satellites. He said, "If one
14 of my satellites" -- I imagine by that he meant some
15 of the other people surrounding his campaign -- "did
16 something wrong, it would be great to know that, as
17 well."
18 MR. COMEY: Yes, sir. That's what he said.
19 SENATOR RUBIO: So are those the other --
20 are those the only two instances in which that sort
21 of back-and-forth happened, where the President was
22 basically saying, and I'm paraphrasing here, "It's

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1 okay, do the Russia investigation. I hope it all


2 comes out. I have nothing to do with anything
3 Russia. It'd be great if it all came out, if people
4 around me were doing things that were wrong."
5 MR. COMEY: Yes. As I -- I recorded it
6 accurately there. That was the sentiment he was
7 expressing. Yes, sir.
8 SENATOR RUBIO: So what it basically comes
9 down to is the President has asked three things of
10 you: He asked for your loyalty, and you said you
11 would be loyally honest?
12 MR. COMEY: Honestly loyal.
13 SENATOR RUBIO: Honestly loyal. The --
14 the -- he asked you, on one occasion, to let the
15 Mike Flynn thing go because he was a good guy -- by
16 the way, you're aware that he said the exact same
17 thing in the press the next day, "He's a good guy,"
18 "He's been treated unfairly," et cetera, et cetera.
19 So I imagine your FBI agents read that.
20 MR. COMEY: I'm sure they did.
21 SENATOR RUBIO: Your -- the President's
22 wishes were known to them, certainly, by the next

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1 day, when he had a press conference with the prime


2 minister.
3 But going back, the three requests were:
4 Number one, be loyal; number two, let the Mike Flynn
5 thing go, he's a good guy, he's been treated
6 unfairly; and, number three, can you please tell the
7 American people what these leaders in Congress
8 already know, what you already know, what you've
9 told me three times, that I'm not under --
10 personally under investigation.
11 MR. COMEY: Those are the three things he
12 asked. Yes, sir.
13 SENATOR RUBIO: You know, this investigation
14 is full of leaks, left and right. I mean, we've
15 learned more from the newspapers sometimes than we
16 do from our open hearings, for sure.
17 You ever wonder why, of all the things in
18 this investigation, the only thing that's never been
19 leaked is the fact that the President was not
20 personally under investigation, despite the fact
21 that both Democrats and Republicans and the
22 leadership of Congress knew that and have known that

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1 for weeks?
2 MR. COMEY: I don't know. I find matters
3 that are briefed to the Gang of Eight are pretty
4 tightly held, in my experience.
5 SENATOR RUBIO: Finally, who are those
6 senior leaders at the FBI that you shared these
7 conversations with?
8 MR. COMEY: As I said in response to Senator
9 Feinstein's question, deputy director, my chief of
10 staff, general counsel, the deputy director's chief
11 counsel, and then, more often than not, the number
12 three person at the FBI, who is the associate deputy
13 director, and then, quite often, the head of the
14 national security branch.
15 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Wyden.
16 SENATOR RONALD LEE WYDEN (D-OR): Thank you,
17 Mr. Chairman.
18 Mr. Comey, welcome. You and I have had
19 significant policy differences over the years,
20 particularly protecting Americans' access to secure
21 encryption. But I believe the timing of your firing
22 stinks. And yesterday you put on the record

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1 testimony that demonstrates why the odor of


2 presidential abuse of power is so strong.
3 Now to my questions. In talking to Senator
4 Warner about this dinner that you had with
5 President, I believe, January 27th, all in one
6 dinner, the President raised your job prospects, he
7 asked for your loyalty, and denied allegations
8 against him. All took place over one supper.
9 Now, you told Senator Warner that the
10 President was looking to, quote, get something.
11 Looking back, did that dinner suggest that your job
12 might be contingent on how you handled the
13 investigation?
14 MR. COMEY: I don't know that I'd go that
15 far. I -- I got the sense my job would be
16 contingent upon how he felt I -- excuse me -- how he
17 felt I conducted myself and whether I demonstrated
18 loyalty. But I don't know whether I'd go so far as
19 to connect it to the investigation --
20 SENATOR WYDEN: You said the President was
21 trying to create some sort of patronage
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1 the underling expected to behave in a manner


2 consistent with the wishes of the boss?
3 MR. COMEY: Yes.
4 SENATOR WYDEN: Okay.
5 MR. COMEY: Or at least consider how what
6 you're doing will affect the boss, as a significant
7 consideration.
8 SENATOR WYDEN: Let me turn to the Attorney
9 General. In your statement, you said that you and
10 the FBI leadership team decided not to discuss the
11 President's actions with Attorney General Sessions,
12 even though he had not recused himself.
13 What was it about the Attorney General's own
14 interactions with the Russians, or his behavior with
15 regard to the investigation, that would have led the
16 entire leadership of the FBI to make this decision?
17 MR. COMEY: Our judgment, as I recall, was
18 that he was very close to and inevitably going to
19 recuse himself for a variety of reasons. We also
20 were aware of facts that I can't discuss in an open
21 setting that would make his continued engagement in
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1 we were -- we were convinced -- and, in fact, I


2 think we had already heard that the career people
3 were recommending that he recuse himself, that he
4 was not going to be in contact with Russia-related
5 matters much longer, and that turned out to be the
6 case.
7 SENATOR WYDEN: How would you characterize
8 Attorney General Sessions' adherence to his recusal,
9 in particular with regard to his involvement in your
10 firing, which the President has acknowledged was
11 because of the Russian investigation?
12 MR. COMEY: That's a question I can't
13 answer. I think it's a reasonable question. If --
14 if, as the President said, I was fired because of
15 the Russia investigation, why was the attorney
16 general involved in that chain? I don't know, and
17 so I don't have an answer for the question.
18 SENATOR WYDEN: Your testimony was that the
19 President's request about Flynn could infect the
20 investigation. Had the President got what he wanted
21 and what he asked of you, what would have been the
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1 MR. COMEY: Well, we would have closed any


2 investigation of General Flynn in connection with
3 his statements and encounter -- statements about and
4 encounters with Russians in the late part of
5 December.
6 SENATOR WYDEN: Well --
7 MR. COMEY: So we -- we would have dropped
8 an open criminal investigation.
9 SENATOR WYDEN: So, in effect, when you talk
10 about infecting the enterprise, you would have
11 dropped something major that would have spoken to
12 the overall ability of the American people to get
13 the facts?
14 MR. COMEY: Correct. And -- and as good as
15 our people are, our judgment was we don't want them
16 hearing that the President of the United States
17 wants this to go away, because it might have an
18 effect of their ability to be fair and impartial and
19 aggressive.
20 SENATOR WYDEN: Now, the Acting Attorney
21 General Yates found out that Michael Flynn could be
22 blackmailed by the Russians, and she went

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1 immediately to warn the White House.


2 Flynn is gone, but other individuals with
3 contacts with the Russians are still in extremely
4 important positions of power. Should the American
5 people have the same sense of urgency now with
6 respect to them?
7 MR. COMEY: I think all I can say, Senator,
8 is it's a -- the special counsel's investigation is
9 very important. Understanding what efforts there
10 were or are by the Russian government to influence
11 our government is a critical part of the FBI's
12 mission, so -- and you've got the right person in
13 Bob Mueller to lead it. So it's a very important
14 piece of work.
15 SENATOR WYDEN: Vice President Pence was the
16 head of the transition. To your knowledge, was he
17 aware of the concerns about Michael Flynn prior to
18 or during General Flynn's tenure as national
19 security adviser?
20 MR. COMEY: I don't -- you're asking,
21 including up to the time when Flynn was --
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1 MR. COMEY: -- forced to resign? My


2 understanding is that he was, and I'm trying to
3 remember where I get that understanding from. I
4 think from Acting Attorney General Yates.
5 SENATOR WYDEN: So former Acting Attorney
6 General Yates testified that concerns about General
7 Flynn were discussed with the intelligence
8 community. Would that have included anyone at the
9 CIA or Dan Coats' office, the DNI?
10 MR. COMEY: I would assume yes.
11 SENATOR WYDEN: Michael Flynn resigned four
12 days after Attorney General Sessions was sworn in.
13 Do you know if the attorney general was aware of the
14 concerns about Michael Flynn during that period?
15 MR. COMEY: I don't, as I sit here, I
16 don't -- I don't recall that he was. I could be
17 wrong, but I don't remember that he was.
18 SENATOR WYDEN: And, finally, let's see if
19 you can give us some sense of who recommended your
20 firing. Besides the letters from the attorney
21 general, the deputy attorney general, do you have
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1 been involved in your firing?


2 MR. COMEY: I don't. I don't.
3 SENATOR WYDEN: Okay.
4 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
5 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Collins.
6 SENATOR SUSAN COLLINS (R-ME): Thank you,
7 Mr. Chairman.
8 Mr. Comey, let me begin by thanking you for
9 your voluntary compliance with our request to appear
10 before this committee and assist us in this very
11 important investigation.
12 I want, first, to ask you about your
13 conversations with the President, the three
14 conversations in which you told him that he was not
15 under investigation.
16 The first was during your January 6th
17 meeting, according to your testimony, in which it
18 appears that you actually volunteered that
19 assurance; is that correct?
20 MR. COMEY: That's correct.
21 SENATOR COLLINS: Did you limit that
22 statement to counterintelligence investigations, or

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1 were you talking about any kind of FBI


2 investigation?
3 MR. COMEY: I didn't -- I didn't use the
4 term "counterintelligence." I was speaking to him
5 and briefing him about some salacious and unverified
6 material. It was in the context of that that he had
7 a strong and defensive reaction about that not being
8 true. And my reading of it was, it was important
9 for me to assure him we were not personally
10 investigating him. And so the context then was
11 actually narrower, focused on what I had just talked
12 to him about.
13 But it was very important because it was,
14 first, true. And, second, I was very much about
15 being in kind of a -- kind of a J. Edgar Hoover-type
16 situation. I didn't want him thinking that I was
17 briefing him on this to sort of hang it over him in
18 some way. I was briefing him on it because we
19 were -- had been told by the media it was about to
20 launch. We didn't want to be keeping that from him.
21 And if there was some -- he needed to know this was
22 being said. But I was very keen not to leave him

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1 with an impression that the bureau was trying to do


2 something to him. And so that's the context in
3 which I said, "Sir, we're not personally
4 investigating you."
5 SENATOR COLLINS: And then, on -- and that's
6 why you volunteered the information --
7 MR. COMEY: Yes, ma'am.
8 SENATOR COLLINS: -- correct?
9 Then on the January 27th dinner, you show --
10 you told the President that he should be careful
11 about asking you to investigate, because, quote, You
12 might create a narrative that we are investigating
13 him personally, which we weren't.
14 Again, were you limiting that statement to
15 counterintelligence investigations, or more broadly,
16 such as a criminal investigation?
17 MR. COMEY: The context was very similar. I
18 didn't -- I didn't modify the word "investigation."
19 It was, again, he was reacting strongly again to
20 that unverified material, saying, "I'm tempted to
21 order you to investigate it." And that -- in the
22 context of that, I said, "Sir, you want to be

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1 careful about that, because it might create a


2 narrative we're investigating you personally."
3 SENATOR COLLINS: And then there was the
4 March 30th phone call in -- with the President, in
5 which you reminded him that congressional leaders
6 have been briefed that we were not personally -- the
7 FBI was not personally investigating President
8 Trump.
9 And, again, was that statement to
10 congressional leaders and to the President limited
11 to counterintelligence investigations, Or was it a
12 broader statement?
13 MR. COMEY: I --
14 SENATOR COLLINS: I'm trying to understand
15 whether there was any kind of investigation of the
16 President under way.
17 MR. COMEY: No. I'm sorry, and -- and if I
18 misunderstood, I apologize. We briefed the
19 congressional leadership about what Americans we had
20 opened counterintelligence investigation cases on,
21 and we specifically said the President is not one of
22 those Americans, but that there was no other

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1 investigation of the President that we were not


2 mentioning at that time. What -- the context was
3 counterintelligence, but I wasn't trying to hide
4 some criminal investigation of the president.
5 SENATOR COLLINS: And was the President
6 under investigation at the time of your dismissal on
7 May 9th?
8 MR. COMEY: No.
9 SENATOR COLLINS: I'd like to now turn to
10 the conversations with the President about Michael
11 Flynn, which have been discussed at great length.
12 And, first, let me make very clear that the
13 President never should have cleared the room, and he
14 never should have asked you, as you reported, to let
15 it go, to let the investigation go.
16 But I remain puzzled by your response. Your
17 response was, "I agree that Michael Flynn is a good
18 guy." You could have said, "Mr. President, this
19 meeting is inappropriate. This response could
20 compromise the investigation. You should not be
21 making such a request."
22 It's fundamental to the operation of our

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1 government that the FBI be insulated from this kind


2 of political pressure. And you've talked a bit
3 today about that you were stunned by the President
4 making the request.
5 But my question to you is, later on, upon
6 reflection, did you go to anyone at the Department
7 of Justice and ask them to call the White House
8 counsel's office and explain that the President had
9 to have a far better understanding and appreciation
10 of his role vis--vis the FBI?
11 MR. COMEY: In general, I did. I spoke to
12 the attorney general, and I spoke to the new deputy
13 attorney general, Mr. Rosenstein, when he took
14 office, and explained my serious concern about the
15 way in which the President is interacting,
16 especially with the FBI.
17 And I specifically, as I said my testimony,
18 asked the -- told the attorney general, "It can't
19 happen that you get kicked out of the room and the
20 President talks to me."
21 Look, in the room -- and -- and -- but why
22 didn't we raise the specific? It was of

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1 investigative interest to us to try and figure out,


2 so what just happened with the President's request.
3 So I would not have wanted to alert the White House
4 that it had happened until we figured out, what are
5 we going to do with this investigatively.
6 SENATOR COLLINS: Your testimony was that
7 you went to Attorney General Sessions and said,
8 "Don't ever leave me alone with him again." Are you
9 saying that you also told him that he had made a
10 request that you let it go with regard to part of
11 the investigation of Michael Flynn?
12 MR. COMEY: No, I specifically did not. I
13 did not.
14 SENATOR COLLINS: Okay. You mentioned that
15 from your very first meeting with the President, you
16 decided to write a memo memorializing the
17 conversation. What was it about that very first
18 meeting that made you write a memo when you had not
19 done that with two previous presidents?
20 MR. COMEY: As I said, a combination of
21 things. A gut feeling is an important overlay on
22 it, but the circumstances that I was alone, the

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1 subject matter, and the nature of the person that I


2 was interacting with and my read of that person.
3 VOICE (off mike): The nature of that
4 person.
5 MR. COMEY: Yeah, and -- and -- and, really,
6 just a gut feel, laying on top of all of that, that
7 this -- it's going to be important, to protect this
8 organization, that I make records of this.
9 SENATOR COLLINS: And, finally, did you show
10 copies of your memos to anyone outside of the
11 Department of Justice?
12 MR. COMEY: Yes.
13 SENATOR COLLINS: And to whom did you show
14 copies?
15 MR. COMEY: I asked -- the President tweeted
16 on Friday, after I got fired, that I better hope
17 there's not tapes. I woke up in the middle of the
18 night on Monday night, because it didn't dawn on me
19 originally, that there might be corroboration for
20 our conversation, there might be a tape. And my
21 judgment was, I needed to get that out into the
22 public square. And so I asked a friend of mine to

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1 share the content of the memo with a reporter.


2 Didn't do it myself, for a variety of reasons, but I
3 asked him to because I thought that might prompt the
4 appointment of a special counsel. And so I asked a
5 close friend of mine to do it.
6 SENATOR COLLINS: And was that Mr. Wittes?
7 MR. COMEY: No, uh-uh. No.
8 SENATOR COLLINS: Who was that?
9 MR. COMEY: A good friend of mine who's a
10 professor at Columbia Law School.
11 SENATOR COLLINS: Thank you.
12 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Heinrich.
13 SENATOR MARTIN HEINRICH (D-NM): Mr. Comey,
14 prior to January 27th of this year, have you ever
15 had a one-on-one meeting or -- or a private dinner
16 with a President of the United States?
17 MR. COMEY: No, I met -- dinner, no. I had
18 two one-on-ones with President Obama that I laid out
19 in my testimony, once, to talk about law enforcement
20 issues, law enforcement and race, which was an
21 important topic throughout for me and for the
22 President, and then once, very briefly, for him to

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1 say goodbye.
2 SENATOR HEINRICH: Were those brief
3 interactions?
4 MR. COMEY: No. The one about law
5 enforcement and race in policing, we spoke for
6 probably over an hour, just the two of us.
7 SENATOR HEINRICH: How unusual is it to have
8 a -- a one-on-one dinner with the President? Did
9 that strike you as odd?
10 MR. COMEY: Yeah, so much so that I assumed
11 there would be others, that he couldn't possibly be
12 having dinner with me alone.
13 SENATOR HEINRICH: If -- do you have an
14 impression that if you had found -- if you had
15 behaved differently in that dinner, and I am quite
16 pleased that you did not, but if you had found a way
17 to express some sort of expression of loyalty, or
18 given some suggestion that the Flynn criminal
19 investigation might be pursued less vigorously, do
20 you think you would've still been fired?
21 MR. COMEY: I don't know. I -- it's
22 impossible to say, looking back. I don't know.

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1 SENATOR HEINRICH: But you felt like those


2 two things were -- were directly relevant to your --
3 the kind of relationship that the President was
4 seeking to establish with you?
5 MR. COMEY: Sure, yes.
6 SENATOR HEINRICH: The -- the President has
7 repeatedly talked about the Russian investigation
8 into the U.S. -- or the Russian -- Russia's
9 involvement in the U.S. election cycle as a hoax and
10 as fake news.
11 Can you talk a little bit about what you saw
12 as FBI director, and, obviously, only the parts that
13 you can share in this setting, that -- that
14 demonstrate how serious this action actually was,
15 and why there was an investigation in the first
16 place.
17 MR. COMEY: Yes, sir.
18 The -- there should be no fuzz on this
19 whatsoever. The Russians interfered in our election
20 during the 2016 cycle. They did it with purpose.
21 They did it with sophistication. They did it with
22 overwhelming technical efforts. And it was an

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1 active-measures campaign driven from the top of that


2 government. There is no fuzz on that.
3 It is a high-confidence judgment of the
4 entire intelligence community, and -- and the
5 members of this committee have -- have seen the
6 intelligence. It's not a close call. That
7 happened. That's about as un-fake as you can
8 possibly get, and it's very, very serious, which is
9 why it's so refreshing to see a bipartisan focus on
10 that, because this is about America, not about any
11 particular party.
12 SENATOR HEINRICH: So that was a hostile act
13 by the Russian government against this country?
14 MR. COMEY: Yes, sir.
15 SENATOR HEINRICH: Did the President, in any
16 of those interactions that you've shared with us
17 today, ask you what you should be doing, or what our
18 government should be doing, or the intelligence
19 community, to protect America against Russian
20 interference in our election system?
21 MR. COMEY: I don't recall a conversation
22 like that.

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1 SENATOR HEINRICH: Never?


2 MR. COMEY: No.
3 SENATOR HEINRICH: Do you -- do you find it
4 odd --
5 MR. COMEY: Not with -- not with -- not with
6 President Trump.
7 SENATOR HEINRICH: Right.
8 MR. COMEY: I attended a fair number of
9 meetings on that with President Obama.
10 SENATOR HEINRICH: Do you find it odd that
11 the President seemed unconcerned by Russia's actions
12 in our election?
13 MR. COMEY: I -- I can't answer that,
14 because I don't know what other conversations he had
15 with other advisers or other intelligence community
16 leaders. So I -- I -- I just don't know, sitting
17 here.
18 SENATOR HEINRICH: Did you have any
19 interactions with the President that suggested he
20 was taking that hostile action seriously?
21 MR. COMEY: I don't remember any
22 interactions with the President, other than the

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1 initial briefing on January the 6th. I don't


2 remember -- could be wrong, but I don't remember any
3 conversations with him at all about that.
4 SENATOR HEINRICH: As you're very aware, it
5 was only the two of you in the room for that dinner.
6 You've told us the President asked you to back off
7 the Flynn investigation. The President told a
8 reporter --
9 MR. COMEY: Not in that dinner.
10 SENATOR HEINRICH: Fair enough -- told a
11 reporter he did -- never did that. You've testified
12 that the President asked for your loyalty in that
13 dinner. The White House denies that.
14 A lot of this comes down to, who should we
15 believe? Do you want to say anything as to why we
16 should believe you?
17 MR. COMEY: Probably -- my mother raised me
18 not to say things like this about myself, so I'm
19 gonna. I think people should look at the whole body
20 of my testimony --
21 SENATOR HEINRICH: Uh-huh.
22 MR. COMEY: -- because as I used to say to

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1 juries when I talked about a witness, you can't


2 cherry-pick it. You can't say, "I like these things
3 he said, but on this, he's a -- he's a dirty, rotten
4 liar."
5 SENATOR HEINRICH: Right.
6 MR. COMEY: You got to take it all together,
7 and I've tried to be open and fair and transparent
8 and accurate. A really significant fact to me is,
9 so why did he kick everybody out of the Oval Office.
10 Why would you kick the attorney general, the
11 President, the chief of staff, out, to talk to me,
12 if it was about something else? And so that --
13 that, to me, is -- as an investigator, is a very
14 significant fact.
15 SENATOR HEINRICH: And as we look at -- at
16 testimony, or as communication from both of you, we
17 should probably be looking for consistency.
18 MR. COMEY: Well, in looking at any witness,
19 you look at consistency, track record, demeanor,
20 record over time, that sort of thing.
21 SENATOR HEINRICH: Thank you.
22 So there are reports that the incoming Trump

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1 Administration, either during the transition and/or


2 after the inauguration, attempted to set up a sort
3 of back-door communication channel with the Russian
4 government using their infrastructure, their devices
5 or facilities.
6 What would be the risks, particularly for a
7 transition, someone not actually in the office of
8 the President yet, to setting up unauthorized
9 channels with a hostile foreign government,
10 especially if they were to evade our own American
11 intelligence services?
12 MR. COMEY: I'm not going to comment on
13 whether that happened in an open setting. But the
14 risk is -- primary risk is obvious: You spare the
15 Russians the cost and effort of having to break into
16 our communications channels by using theirs. And so
17 you make it a whole lot easier for them to capture
18 all of your conversations, and then to use those to
19 the benefit of Russia against the United States.
20 SENATOR HEINRICH: The memos that you wrote,
21 you wrote -- did you write all nine of them in a way
22 that was designed to prevent them from needing

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1 classification?
2 MR. COMEY: No. And -- and on a few of the
3 occasions, I wrote -- I sent e-mails to my chief of
4 staff or others on some of the brief phone
5 conversations that I recall. The first one was a
6 classified briefing. Although it wasn't in a SCIF,
7 it was in a conference room at Trump Tower, It was a
8 classified briefing. And so I wrote that on a
9 classified device. The one I started typing --
10 SENATOR HEINRICH: Gotcha.
11 MR. COMEY: -- in the, car -- that was a
12 classified laptop that I started working on.
13 SENATOR HEINRICH: Any reason in a
14 classified environment, in a SCIF, that this
15 committee would -- it would not be appropriate to
16 see those communications from -- at least from your
17 perspective as the author?
18 MR. COMEY: No.
19 SENATOR HEINRICH: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
20 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Blunt?
21 SENATOR ROY BLUNT (R-MO): Thank you,
22 Mr. Chairman.

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1 Mr. Comey, when you were terminated at the


2 FBI, I said, and still continue to feel, that you
3 have provided years of great service to the country.
4 I also said that I'd had significant questions over
5 the last year about some of the decisions you made.
6 If -- if the President hadn't terminated
7 your service, would you still be, in your opinion,
8 the director of the FBI today?
9 MR. COMEY: Yes, sir.
10 SENATOR BLUNT: So you took as a direction
11 from the President something that you thought was
12 serious and troublesome, but continued to show up
13 for work the next day?
14 MR. COMEY: Yes, sir.
15 SENATOR BLUNT: And six weeks later we're
16 still telling the -- were telling the President, on
17 March the 30th, that he was not personally the
18 target of any investigation?
19 MR. COMEY: Correct. On March the 30th, and
20 I think again on -- I think on April 11th as well, I
21 told him we're not investigating him personally.
22 That was true.

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1 SENATOR BLUNT: Well, the point to me -- the


2 concern to me there is that all these things are
3 going on. You now in retrospect -- or at you now to
4 this committee -- that these were -- you had serious
5 concerns about what the President had, you believed,
6 directed you to do, and had taken no action --
7 hadn't even reported up the chain of command,
8 assuming you believe there is an "up the chain of
9 command," that these things had happened.
10 Do you have a sense of that, looking back,
11 that that was a mistake?
12 MR. COMEY: No. In fact, I think no action
13 was the most important thing I could do, to make
14 sure there was no interference with the
15 investigation.
16 SENATOR BLUNT: And on the -- on the Flynn
17 issue specifically, I believe you said earlier that
18 you believed the President was suggesting you drop
19 any investigation of Flynn's account of his
20 conversation with the Russian ambassador, which was
21 essentially misleading the Vice President and
22 others?

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1 MR. COMEY: Correct, and -- and I'm not


2 going to go into the details, but whether there were
3 false statements made to government investigators,
4 as well.
5 SENATOR BLUNT: The -- any suggestion that
6 the -- that General Flynn had violated the Logan
7 Act, I always find pretty incredible. The Logan
8 Act's been on the books for over 200 years.
9 Nobody's ever been prosecuted for violating the
10 Logan Act.
11 My sense would be that the discussion, not
12 the problem, misleading investigators or the Vice
13 President might have been.
14 MR. COMEY: That's fair. Yes, sir.
15 SENATOR BLUNT: And -- and you're -- had you
16 previously, on February the 14th, discussed with the
17 President in the previous meeting anything your
18 investigators had learned, or their impressions from
19 talking to Flynn?
20 MR. COMEY: No, sir.
21 SENATOR BLUNT: So he said, "He's a good
22 guy." You said, "He's a good guy." And that was --

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1 no further action taken on that?


2 MR. COMEY: Well, he said more than that,
3 but there was no -- the action was, I wrote it up,
4 briefed our senior team, tried to figure out what to
5 do with it and just made a decision, we're going to
6 hold this and then see what we make of it down the
7 road. Yes, sir.
8 SENATOR BLUNT: Was it your view that not
9 briefing up meant you really had no responsibility
10 to report that to the Justice Department in some
11 way?
12 MR. COMEY: I think at some point, and --
13 and I don't know what Director Mueller is going to
14 do with it, but at some point I was sure we were
15 going to brief it to the team in charge of the case.
16 But our judgment was, in the short term,
17 doesn't make sense to -- no fuzz on the fact that I
18 reported it to the attorney general. That's why I
19 stressed he shouldn't be kicked out of the room.
20 But didn't make sense to report to him now.
21 SENATOR BLUNT: You know, you said the
22 attorney general said, "I don't want to be in the

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1 room with him alone again," but you continued to


2 talk to him on the phone. What is the difference in
3 being in the room alone with him and talking to him
4 on the phone alone?
5 MR. COMEY: Yeah, I think that what I
6 stressed to the attorney general was a little
7 broader than just the room. I said, "You -- I
8 report to you. It's very important you be between
9 me and the White House, between" --
10 SENATOR BLUNT: After that discussion with
11 the attorney general, did you take phone calls from
12 the President?
13 MR. COMEY: Yes, sir.
14 SENATOR BLUNT: So why did you just say you
15 need to talk to -- why didn't you say, "I'm not
16 taking that call. You need to talk to the attorney
17 general"?
18 MR. COMEY: Well, I -- I did, on the April
19 11th call, and I reported the calls -- the March
20 30th call and the April 11th call -- to my superior,
21 who was the acting deputy attorney general.
22 SENATOR BLUNT: And I -- I don't want to run

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1 out of time here. Let me make one other point.


2 In reading your testimony, January the 3rd,
3 January the 27th, and March the 30th -- it appears
4 to me that on all three of those occasions, you,
5 unsolicited by the President, made the point to him
6 that he was not a target of the -- of an
7 investigation.
8 MR. COMEY: Correct. Yes, sir.
9 SENATOR BLUNT: One, I thought the March
10 30th very interesting. You said, well, even though
11 you don't want -- you may not want us -- that was
12 the 27th, where he said, "Why don't you look into
13 that dossier thing more?" You said, "Well, you may
14 not want that, because then we couldn't tell you --
15 couldn't say with -- we couldn't answer the question
16 about you being a target of the investigation."
17 But you didn't seem to be answering that
18 question anyhow. As Senator Rubio pointed out, the
19 one unanswered, unleaked question seems to have been
20 that, in this whole period of time.
21 But you said something earlier I don't want
22 to fail to follow up on. You said after you were

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1 dismissed, you gave information to a friend so that


2 friend could get that information into the public
3 media.
4 MR. COMEY: Correct.
5 SENATOR BLUNT: What kind of information was
6 that? Wasn't that -- what kind of information did
7 you give to a friend?
8 MR. COMEY: That the -- the -- the Flynn
9 conversation. That the President asked me to let
10 the -- the Flynn -- I'm forgetting my exact own
11 words, but the -- the conversation in the Oval
12 Office.
13 SENATOR BLUNT: So you didn't consider your
14 memo or your sense of that conversation to be a
15 government document? You considered it to be
16 somehow your own personal document that you could
17 share with the media as you wanted to?
18 MR. COMEY: Correct. I --
19 SENATOR BLUNT: Through a friend?
20 MR. COMEY: I understood this to be my
21 recollection recorded, of my conversation with the
22 President. As a private citizen, I felt free to

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1 share that. I thought it very important to get it


2 out.
3 SENATOR BLUNT: So were all of your memos
4 that you've recorded on classified or other
5 documents memos that might be yours as a private
6 citizen?
7 MR. COMEY: I'm sorry, I'm not following the
8 question.
9 SENATOR BLUNT: Well, I think you said you'd
10 used classified -- a classified --
11 MR. COMEY: Oh, yes. Not the classified
12 documents. Unclassified -- I don't have any of them
13 anymore. I gave them to the special counsel. But,
14 yeah, my view was that the content of those
15 unclassified -- the memorialization of those
16 conversations was my recollection recorded.
17 SENATOR BLUNT: So why didn't you give those
18 to somebody yourself, rather than give them through
19 a third party?
20 MR. COMEY: Because I was worried the media
21 was camping at the end of my driveway at that point,
22 and I was actually going out of town with my wife to

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1 hide, and I worried it would be like feeding


2 seagulls at the beach --
3 (Laughter.)
4 MR. COMEY: -- if -- if it was -- if it was
5 I who gave it to the media. So I asked my friend,
6 "Make sure this gets out."
7 SENATOR BLUNT: It does seem to me that what
8 you do there is create a source close to the former
9 director of the FBI, as opposed to just taking
10 responsibility yourself for saying, "Here are these
11 records."
12 And, like everybody else, I have other
13 things I'd like to get into, but I'm out of time.
14 MR. COMEY: Okay.
15 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator King.
16 SENATOR ANGUS KING (I-ME): Thank you.
17 First, I'd like to acknowledge Senator
18 Blumenthal and earlier Senator Nelson. I think the
19 one principal thing you'll learn today, Senators, is
20 that the chairs there are less comfortable than the
21 chairs here. But I welcome you to the hearing.
22 Mr. Comey, a broad question: Was the

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1 Russian activity in the 2016 election a one-off


2 proposition, Or is this part of a long-term
3 strategy? Will they be back?
4 MR. COMEY: Oh, it's a long-term practice of
5 theirs. It -- it stepped up a notch in a
6 significant way in '16. They'll be back.
7 SENATOR KING: I think that's very important
8 for the American people to understand, that this
9 is -- this is very much a forward-looking
10 investigation in terms of how do we understand what
11 they did and how do we prevent it. Would you, agree
12 that that's a big part of our role here?
13 MR. COMEY: Yes, sir. And it's not a
14 Republican thing or a Democratic thing. It really
15 is an American thing. They're going to come for
16 whatever party they choose to try and work on behalf
17 of. And they're -- they're not devoted to either,
18 in my experience. They're just about their own
19 advantage. And they will be back.
20 SENATOR KING: That's my observation. I
21 don't think Putin is a Republican or a Democrat.
22 He's an opportunist.

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1 MR. COMEY: I think that's a fair statement.


2 SENATOR KING: With regard to the -- several
3 of these conversations, in his interview with Lester
4 Holt on NBC, the President said, "I had dinner with
5 him. He wanted to have dinner because he wanted to
6 stay on."
7 Is this an accurate statement?
8 MR. COMEY: No, sir.
9 SENATOR KING: Did you, in any way, initiate
10 that dinner?
11 MR. COMEY: No, he -- he called me at my
12 desk at lunchtime and asked me was I free for dinner
13 that night. He called himself and said, "Can you
14 come over for dinner tonight."
15 And I said, "Yes, sir."
16 He said, "Will 6 work?" I think he said 6
17 first. And then he said, "I was going to invite
18 your whole family, but we'll do that next time. I
19 want you to come over. And is -- is that a good
20 time."
21 I said, "Sir, whatever works for you."
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1 And I -- I said, "Whatever works for you,


2 sir."
3 And then I hung up and had to call my wife
4 and break a date with her. I was supposed to take
5 her out to dinner that night, and --
6 SENATOR KING: That's one of the all-time
7 great excuses for breaking a date.
8 (Laughter.)
9 MR. COMEY: In retrospect, I would have -- I
10 love spending time my wife. I wish I'd been there
11 that night.
12 (Laughter.)
13 SENATOR KING: That's one question I'm not
14 going follow up, Mr. Comey.
15 But in that same interview, the President
16 said, "In one case, I called him, and in one case,
17 he called me." Is that an accurate statement?
18 MR. COMEY: No.
19 SENATOR KING: Did you ever call the
20 President?
21 MR. COMEY: No. I -- I might -- the only
22 reason I'm hesitating is, I think there was a least

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1 one conversation where I was asked to call the White


2 House switchboard to be connected to him, but I -- I
3 never initiated a communication with the President.
4 SENATOR KING: And in his press conference
5 on May 18th, the President was asked whether he had
6 urged you to shut down the investigation into
7 Michael Flynn. The President responded, quote, No,
8 no. Next question.
9 Is that an accurate statement?
10 MR. COMEY: I don't believe it is.
11 SENATOR KING: Thank you.
12 With regard to the question of him being
13 under personal -- personally under investigation,
14 does that mean that the dossier is not being
15 reviewed or investigated or followed up on in any
16 way?
17 MR. COMEY: I obviously can't -- I can't
18 comment either way. I can't talk in an open setting
19 about the investigation as it was when I was the
20 head of the FBI. And, obviously, it's -- it's
21 Director Mueller's -- Bob Mueller's responsibility
22 now, so I just -- I don't know.

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1 SENATOR KING: So, clearly, your statements


2 to the President back in those -- these various
3 times when you assured him he wasn't under
4 investigation, were as of that moment. That --
5 that's correct, is it not?
6 MR. COMEY: Correct. Correct.
7 SENATOR KING: Now, on the Flynn
8 investigation, is it not true that Mr. Flynn was and
9 is a central figure in this entire investigation of
10 the relationship between the Trump campaign and the
11 Russians?
12 MR. COMEY: I can't answer that in an open
13 setting, sir.
14 SENATOR KING: And certainly Mr. Flynn was
15 part of the so-called Russian investigation. Can
16 you answer that question?
17 MR. COMEY: I have to give you the same
18 answer.
19 SENATOR KING: All right. We'll be having a
20 closed session shortly, so we will follow up on
21 that.
22 In terms of his comments to you about -- I

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1 think in response to Mr. Risch, to Senator Risch,


2 you said he said, "I hope you will hold back on
3 that." But when you get a -- when a President of
4 the United States in the Oval Office says something
5 like "I hope" or "I suggest" or -- or "would you,"
6 do you take that as a -- as a -- as a directive?
7 MR. COMEY: Yes. Yes, it rings in my ear as
8 kind of, "Will no one rid me of this meddlesome
9 priest."
10 SENATOR KING: I was just going to quote
11 that. In 1170, December 29, Henry II said, "Who
12 will rid me of this meddlesome priest?" And then,
13 the next day, he was killed, Thomas Becket. That's
14 exactly the same situation. You're -- we're
15 thinking along the same lines.
16 Several other questions, and these are a
17 little bit more detailed. What do you know about
18 the Russian bank, VEB?
19 MR. COMEY: Nothing that I can talk about in
20 an open setting. I mean, I know it --
21 SENATOR KING: Well, that takes care of my
22 next three questions.

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1 MR. COMEY: I know it exists. Yes, sir.


2 SENATOR KING: You know it exists.
3 What is the relationship of Ambassador --
4 the ambassador from Russia to the United States to
5 the Russian intelligence infrastructure?
6 MR. COMEY: Well, he's a diplomat who is the
7 chief of mission at the Russian embassy, which
8 employs a robust cohort of intelligence officers.
9 And so, surely, he's witting of their very, very
10 aggressive intelligence operations, at least some of
11 it in the United States. I don't -- I don't
12 consider him to be an intelligence officer himself.
13 He's a diplomat.
14 SENATOR KING: Did you ever -- did the FBI
15 ever brief the Trump Administration about the -- the
16 advisability of interacting directly with Ambassador
17 Kislyak?
18 MR. COMEY: I think all I can say sitting
19 here is there were a variety of defensive briefings
20 given to the incoming Administration about the
21 counterintelligence risk.
22 SENATOR KING: Back to Mr. Flynn, would

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1 the -- would closing out the Flynn investigation


2 have impeded the overall Russian investigation?
3 MR. COMEY: No. Well, unlikely, except to
4 the extent -- there's always a possibility, if you
5 have a criminal case against someone and you bring
6 in and squeeze them, you flip them, and they give
7 you information about something else. But I saw the
8 two as touching each other, but separate.
9 SENATOR KING: With regard to your memos,
10 isn't it true that in a -- in a court case, when
11 you're weighing evidence, contemporaneous memos and
12 contemporaneous statements to third parties are
13 considered probative in terms of the -- the -- the
14 validity of -- of testimony?
15 MR. COMEY: Yes.
16 SENATOR KING: Thank you.
17 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
18 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Cotton -- or, excuse
19 me, Senator Lankford.
20 SENATOR JAMES LANKFORD (R-OK): Well,
21 Director Comey, good to see you again.
22 MR. COMEY: You, too.

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1 SENATOR LANKFORD: We've had multiple


2 opportunities to be able to visit, as everyone on
3 this dais has, and I appreciate you and your service
4 and what you have done for the nation for a long
5 time, which you continue to do.
6 I've told you before in the heat of last
7 year, when we had an opportunity to visit
8 personally, that I pray for you and for your family
9 because you do carry a tremendous amount of stress.
10 And that is still true today.
11 MR. COMEY: Thank you.
12 SENATOR LANKFORD: Let me -- let me walk
13 through a couple things with you. Your notes are
14 obviously exceptionally important, because they give
15 a very rapid account of what you -- what you wrote
16 down and what you perceived to happen in those
17 different meetings.
18 Have you had the opportunity to be able to
19 reference those notes when you were preparing the
20 written statement that you put for us today?
21 MR. COMEY: Yes, I -- yes. I think nearly
22 all of my written recordings of my conversations,

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1 had a chance to review them before filing my


2 statement.
3 SENATOR LANKFORD: Do you have a copy of any
4 those notes, personally?
5 MR. COMEY: I don't. I turned them over to
6 Bob Mueller's investigators.
7 SENATOR LANKFORD: The individual that you
8 told about your memos, that then was sent on to the
9 New York Times, do they have a copy of those memos,
10 or were they told orally of those memos?
11 MR. COMEY: Had a copy -- had a copy at the
12 time.
13 SENATOR LANKFORD: Do they -- do they still
14 have a copy of those memos?
15 MR. COMEY: That's a good question. I think
16 so. I guess I can't say for sure, sitting here, but
17 I -- I -- I guess I don't know, but I think so.
18 SENATOR LANKFORD: So the question is, could
19 you ask them to hand that copy right back to you, so
20 you could hand them over to this committee?
21 MR. COMEY: Potentially.
22 SENATOR LANKFORD: I would like to move that

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1 from "potential" to "see if we can ask that


2 question," so we can have a copy of those.
3 Obviously, those notes are exceptionally important
4 to us to be able to go through the process so we
5 can -- we can continue to get to the facts as -- as
6 we see it. As you know, the written documents are
7 exceptionally important.
8 Are there other documents that we need to be
9 aware of that you used in your preparation for your
10 written statement that we should also have, that
11 would assist us in helping with this?
12 MR. COMEY: Not that I'm aware of, no.
13 SENATOR LANKFORD: Past the February the
14 14th meeting, which is a very important meeting,
15 obviously, as we discuss the conversations here
16 about Michael Flynn.
17 When the President asked you about he hopes
18 that you would let this go, and the conversation
19 back and forth about him being a good guy. After
20 that time, did the President ever bring up anything
21 about Michael Flynn again to you? You had multiple
22 other conversations you have documented with the

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1 President.
2 MR. COMEY: No, I don't remember him ever
3 bringing it up again.
4 SENATOR LANKFORD: Did any member of the
5 White House staff ever come to you and talk to you
6 about letting go of the Michael Flynn case, or
7 dropping it, or anything referring to that?
8 MR. COMEY: No. Nope.
9 SENATOR LANKFORD: Did the director of
10 national intelligence come to you and talk to you
11 about that?
12 MR. COMEY: No.
13 SENATOR LANKFORD: Did anyone from the
14 Attorney General's office, the Department of
15 Justice, ask you about that?
16 MR. COMEY: No.
17 SENATOR LANKFORD: Did the head of NSA talk
18 to you about that?
19 MR. COMEY: No.
20 SENATOR LANKFORD: The -- the key aspect
21 here is, if -- if -- if this seems to be something
22 the President's trying to get you to drop it, this

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1 seems like a pretty light touch to drop it, to bring


2 it up at that moment, the day after he had just
3 fired Flynn, to come back in and say, I hope we can
4 let this go, but then it never reappears again.
5 Did it -- did it slow down your
6 investigation or any investigation that may or may
7 not be occurring with Michael Flynn?
8 MR. COMEY: No, although I don't know
9 there're any manifestations -- outward
10 manifestations of the investigation between February
11 14th and when I was fired. So I -- I don't know
12 that the President had any way of knowing whether it
13 was effective or not.
14 SENATOR LANKFORD: Okay. That's fair
15 enough.
16 If -- if the President wanted to stop an
17 investigation, how would he do that? Knowing it's
18 an ongoing criminal investigation or
19 counterintelligence investigation, would that be a
20 matter of trying to go to you, you perceive, and to
21 say you make it stop because he doesn't have the
22 authority to stop, or how -- how would the President

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1 make an ongoing investigation stop?


2 MR. COMEY: Again, I'm not a legal scholar.
3 So smarter people answer this better, but I think as
4 a legal matter, the President is the head of the
5 executive branch and could direct, in theory, we
6 have important norms against this, but direct that
7 anybody be investigated or anybody not be
8 investigated.
9 I think he has the legal authority because
10 all of us ultimately report in the executive branch
11 up to the President.
12 SENATOR LANKFORD: Okay. Would that be to
13 you, would that be the attorney general, Would that
14 be to who, that would do that?
15 MR. COMEY: I Suppose he could do it to --
16 if he wanted to issue a direct order, could do it in
17 any way, could do it through the attorney general or
18 issue it directly to me.
19 SENATOR LANKFORD: Well -- well, is there
20 any question that the President is not real fond of
21 this investigation? I -- I can think of multiple
22 140 word character expressions that he's done

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1 publicly to express he's not fond of the


2 investigation.
3 So I've heard you share before in this
4 conversation that you're trying to keep the agents
5 that are working on it away from any comment the
6 President might have made. Quite frankly, the
7 President has informed around 6 billion people that
8 he's not real fond of this investigation.
9 Do you think there's a difference in that?
10 MR. COMEY: Yes.
11 SENATOR LANKFORD: Okay. What would that
12 be?
13 MR. COMEY: I think there's a big difference
14 in kicking superior officers out of the Oval Office,
15 looking the FBI director in the eye and saying,
16 "Hope you'll let this go."
17 I think if our -- if the agents, as good as
18 they are, heard the President of the United States
19 did that --
20 SENATOR KING: That's you.
21 MR. COMEY: -- there's a real risk of a
22 chilling effect on their work. That's why we kept

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1 it so tight.
2 SENATOR LANKFORD: Okay. Okay. You had
3 mentioned before about some news stories and news
4 accounts. Without having to go into all the names
5 and the specific times and to be able dip into all
6 that, have there been news accounts about the Russia
7 investigation, about collusion, about this whole
8 event or accusations that, as you read the story,
9 you were stunned about how wrong they got the facts?
10 MR. COMEY: Yes. There's been many, many
11 stories, purportedly based on classified information
12 about -- well, about lots of stuff, but especially
13 about Russia, that are just dead wrong.
14 SENATOR LANKFORD: I was interested in your
15 comment that you made, as well, that the President
16 said to you, if there were some satellite associates
17 of his that did something wrong, it would be good to
18 find that out.
19 That the President seemed to talk to you
20 specifically on March the 30th and say, "I'm
21 frustrated that the word is not getting out that I'm
22 not under investigation, but if there are people

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1 that are in my circle that are, let's finish the


2 investigation."
3 Is that how you took it, as well?
4 MR. COMEY: Yes, sir. Yes.
5 SENATOR LANKFORD: And then you made a
6 comment earlier about the attorney general --
7 previous attorney general -- asking you about the
8 investigation on the Clinton e-mails, saying that
9 you'd been asked not to call it an "investigation"
10 anymore, but to call it a "matter." And you had
11 said that confused you.
12 Can you give us additional details on that?
13 MR. COMEY: Well, it concerned me because we
14 were at the point where we had refused to confirm
15 the existence, as we typically do, of an
16 investigation, for months, and it was getting to a
17 place where that looked silly, because the campaigns
18 were talking about interacting with the FBI in the
19 course of our work.
20 The -- the Clinton campaign at the time was
21 using all kind of euphemisms, "security review,"
22 "matters," things like that, for what was going on.

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1 We were getting to a place where the attorney


2 general and I were both going to have to testify and
3 talk publicly about it, and I wanted to know, was
4 she going to authorize us to confirm we had an
5 investigation.
6 And she said, "Yes, but don't call it that,
7 call it a matter."
8 And I said, "Why would I do that?"
9 And she said, "Just call it a matter."
10 And, again, you look back in hindsight, you
11 think, should I have resisted harder? I just said,
12 all right, isn't worth -- this isn't a hill worth
13 dying on, and so I just said, "Okay. The press is
14 going to completely ignore it." And that's what
15 happened.
16 When I said, "We have opened a matter," they
17 all reported, "The FBI has an investigation open."
18 And so that concerned me because that language
19 tracked the way the campaign was talking about the
20 FBI's work, and that's concerning.
21 SENATOR LANKFORD: It gave the impression
22 that the campaign was somehow using the same

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1 language as the FBI, because you were handed the


2 campaign language and told to be able to use the
3 campaign language --
4 MR. COMEY: Yeah -- and -- and, again, I
5 don't know whether it was intentional or not, but it
6 gave the impression that the attorney general was
7 looking to align the way we talked about our work
8 with the way a political campaign was describing the
9 same activity, which was inaccurate. We had a
10 criminal investigation open with, as I said before,
11 the Federal Bureau of Investigation. We had an
12 investigation open at the time, and so that gave me
13 a queasy feeling.
14 SENATOR LANKFORD: Thank you.
15 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Manchin.
16 SENATOR JOE MANCHIN (D-WV): Thank you,
17 Mr. Chairman.
18 Thank you, Mr. Comey. I appreciate very
19 much your being here.
20 West Virginia is very interested in this --
21 in this hearing that we're having today. I've had
22 over 600 requests for questions to ask you from my

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1 fellow West Virginians, and most of them have been


2 asked. And there's a quite a few of them that were
3 quite detailed that I'll ask in our classified
4 hearing.
5 I want to thank you, first of all, for
6 coming and agreeing to be here, volunteering. But
7 also volunteering to stay into the classified
8 hearing.
9 I don't know if you had a chance to watch
10 our hearing yesterday.
11 MR. COMEY: I watched part of it, yes, sir.
12 SENATOR MANCHIN: And it was quite
13 troubling. My colleagues here had some very pointed
14 questions they wanted answers to. They weren't
15 classified. They could have answered in this open
16 setting. They refused to do so. So that even
17 much -- makes us much more appreciative of your
18 cooperation.
19 Sir, the seriousness of the Russian
20 aggressions in our past elections, and knowing that
21 it'll be ongoing as Senator King had alluded to,
22 does -- what's your concerns there? I mean, what

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1 should American public understand? People said,


2 "Well, this is a -- why are we worried about this?
3 Why make such a big deal out of this Russian
4 investigation?"
5 Can you tell me what your thoughts would be?
6 MR. COMEY: Yes, sir.
7 SENATOR MANCHIN: And then the final thing
8 is on this same topic: Did the President ever show
9 any concern or interest or curiosity about what the
10 Russians were doing?
11 MR. COMEY: Thank you, Senator.
12 As I said earlier, I don't remember any
13 conversations with the President about the Russia
14 election interference.
15 SENATOR MANCHIN: Did he ever ask you any
16 questions concerning this?
17 MR. COMEY: Well, there was an initial
18 briefing of our findings, and I think there was
19 conversation there, I don't remember it exactly,
20 where he asked questions about what we had found and
21 what our sources were and what our confidence level
22 was. But after that, I don't remember anything.

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1 The reason this is such a big deal has -- we


2 have this big, messy, wonderful country where we
3 fight with each other all the time, but nobody tells
4 us what to think, what to fight about, what to vote
5 for, except other Americans, and that's wonderful
6 and often painful.
7 But we're talking about a foreign government
8 that using technical intrusion, lots of other
9 methods, tried to shape the way we think, we vote,
10 we act. That is a big deal. And people need to
11 recognize it. It's not about Republicans or
12 Democrats. They're coming after America, which I
13 hope we all love equally. They want to undermine
14 our credibility in the face of the world. They
15 think that this great experiment of ours is a threat
16 to them, and so they're going to try to run it down
17 and dirty it up as much as possible.
18 That's what this is about. And they will be
19 back, because we remain, as difficult as we can be
20 with each other, we remain that shining city on the
21 hill, and they don't like it.
22 SENATOR MANCHIN: So this is extremely

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1 important. It's extremely dangerous, what we're --


2 what we're dealing with, and it's needed, is what
3 you're saying?
4 MR. COMEY: Yes, sir.
5 SENATOR MANCHIN: Do you believe there were
6 any tapes or recordings of your conversations with
7 the President?
8 MR. COMEY: It never occurred to me until
9 the President's tweet. I -- I'm not being
10 facetious, I hope there are, and I'll consent to the
11 release of them.
12 SENATOR MANCHIN: So both of you -- both of
13 you are in the same findings here, you both hope
14 there's tapes and recordings?
15 MR. COMEY: Well, I mean, all I can do is
16 hope. The President surely knows whether he taped
17 me. And if he did, my feelings aren't hurt.
18 Release the entire -- release all the tapes. I'm
19 good with it.
20 SENATOR MANCHIN: Got you. Got you.
21 Sir, do you believe that Robert Mueller,
22 the -- our new special investigator on Russia, will

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1 be thorough and complete, without political


2 intervention? And would you be confident on these
3 findings and recommendations?
4 MR. COMEY: Yes. Bob Mueller is one of the
5 finest people and public servants this country's
6 ever produced. He will do it well. He is a dogged,
7 tough person, and you can have high confidence that
8 when it's done, he's turned over all the rocks.
9 SENATOR MANCHIN: You've been asked a wide
10 variety of -- of questions today, and we're going to
11 be hearing more, I'm sure, in our classified
12 hearing. Something I'll often ask folks when they
13 come here, what details of this saga would be --
14 should we be focusing on, and what would you
15 recommend us do differently, Or to adjust our
16 perspective on this?
17 MR. COMEY: I don't know. I -- and one of
18 the reasons that I'm pleased to be here is I think
19 this committee has shown the American people,
20 although we have two parties and we disagree about
21 important things, we can work together when it
22 involves the core interests of the country. So I

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1 would hope you'll just keep doing what you're doing.


2 It's -- it's good in and of itself, but it's also a
3 model, especially for kids, that we -- we are a
4 functioning, adult democracy.
5 SENATOR MANCHIN: And you also mentioned you
6 had -- I think, what, six -- six meetings -- three
7 times in person, six on the phone, nine times in
8 conversation with the President. Did he ever at
9 that time allude that you were not performing
10 adequately? Ever indicate that at all?
11 MR. COMEY: No. In fact, the contrary,
12 quite often. Yeah, he called me one day. I was
13 about to get on a helicopter. The head of the DEA
14 was waiting in the helicopter for me. And he just
15 called to check in and tell me I was doing an
16 awesome job, and wanted to see how I was doing. And
17 I said, "I'm doing fine, sir." And then I finished
18 the call and got on the helicopter.
19 SENATOR MANCHIN: Mr. Comey, do you believe
20 you would have been fired if Hillary Clinton had
21 become President?
22 MR. COMEY: That's a great question. I

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1 don't know. I don't know.


2 SENATOR MANCHIN: You have any thoughts
3 about it?
4 MR. COMEY: I might have been. I -- I don't
5 know. Look, I -- I've said before, that was an
6 extraordinarily difficult and painful time. I think
7 I did what I had to do. I knew it was going to be
8 very bad for me personally, and the consequences of
9 that might have been, if Hillary Clinton was
10 elected, I might have been terminated. I don't
11 know. I really don't.
12 SENATOR MANCHIN: My final question will be,
13 after the February 14th meeting in the Oval Office,
14 you mentioned that you asked Attorney General
15 Sessions to ensure that you were never left alone
16 with the President.
17 Did you ever consider why Attorney General
18 Sessions was not asked to stay in the room?
19 MR. COMEY: Oh, sure, I did, and -- and
20 have. And, in that moment, I knew --
21 SENATOR MANCHIN: Did You ever talk to him
22 about it?

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1 MR. COMEY: No.


2 SENATOR MANCHIN: You never had a discussion
3 with -- with Jeff Sessions on this?
4 MR. COMEY: No. Not at all.
5 SENATOR MANCHIN: On any of your meetings?
6 MR. COMEY: No, I don't --
7 SENATOR MANCHIN: Did he inquire -- did
8 he -- did he show any inquiry whatsoever what was
9 that meeting about?
10 MR. COMEY: No. You're right, I did say to
11 him -- I'd forgotten this. When I talked to him and
12 said, "You have to be between me and the President,
13 and that's incredibly important," and I forget my
14 exact words, I passed along the President's message
15 about the importance of aggressively pursuing leaks
16 of classified information, which is a -- a goal I
17 share. And I passed that along to -- to the
18 attorney general, I think it was the next morning,
19 in our -- in a meeting. And -- but I did not tell
20 him about the Flynn part.
21 SENATOR MANCHIN: Do you believe this will
22 rise to obstruction of justice?

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1 MR. COMEY: I don't know. That -- that's


2 Bob Mueller's job to sort that out.
3 SENATOR MANCHIN: Thank you, sir.
4 Mr. Chairman.
5 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Cotton.
6 SENATOR TOM COTTON (R-AR): Mr. Comey, you
7 encouraged the President to release the tapes. Will
8 you encourage the Department of Justice or your
9 friend at Columbia or Mr. Mueller to release your
10 memos?
11 MR. COMEY: Sure.
12 SENATOR COTTON: You said that there -- you
13 did not record your conversations with President
14 Obama or President Bush in memos. Did you do so
15 with Attorney General Sessions or any other senior
16 member of the Trump Department of Justice?
17 MR. COMEY: No.
18 SENATOR COTTON: Did you --
19 MR. COMEY: I think it -- I'm sorry.
20 SENATOR COTTON: Did you record
21 conversations in memos with Attorney General Lynch
22 or any other senior member of the Obama Department

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1 of Justice?
2 MR. COMEY: No, not that I recall.
3 SENATOR COTTON: In your statement for the
4 record, you cite nine private conversations with the
5 President, three meetings and two phone calls.
6 There are four phone calls that are not discussed in
7 your statement for the record. What happened in
8 those phone calls?
9 MR. COMEY: The President called me, I
10 believe, shortly before he was inaugurated, as a
11 follow-up to our conversation -- private
12 conversation on January the 6th. He just wanted to
13 reiterate his rejection of the allegation and talk
14 about -- he thought about it more, and why he
15 thought it wasn't true -- the -- the -- the
16 verified -- unverified and salacious parts. And --
17 and during that call, he asked me again, "Hope
18 you're going to stay, you're doing a great job."
19 And I told him that I intended to.
20 There was another phone call that I
21 mentioned, I think was -- could have the date
22 wrong -- March the 1st, where he called just to

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1 check in with me as I was about to get on the


2 helicopter.
3 There was a secure call we had about an --
4 an operational matter that was not related to any of
5 this, about something the FBI was working on. He
6 wanted to make sure that I understood how important
7 he thought it was, a totally appropriate call.
8 And then the fourth call -- I'm probably
9 forgetting. May have been the -- I may have meant
10 the call, when he called to invite me to dinner.
11 I'll think about as I'm answering other questions,
12 but I think I got that right.
13 SENATOR COTTON: Let's turn our attention to
14 the underlying activity at issue here: Russia's
15 hacking into those e-mails and releasing them, and
16 the allegations of collusion.
17 Do you believe Donald Trump colluded with
18 Russia?
19 MR. COMEY: That's a question I don't think
20 I should answer in an open setting. As I said, that
21 we -- we didn't -- when I left, we did not have an
22 investigation focused on President Trump. But

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1 that's a question that'll be answered by the


2 investigation, I think.
3 SENATOR COTTON: Let me turn to a couple of
4 statements by one of my colleagues, Senator
5 Feinstein. She was the Ranking Member on this
6 committee until January, which means she had access
7 to information that only she and Chairman Burr did.
8 She's now the senior Democrat on the -- on the
9 Judiciary Committee, meaning she has access to the
10 FBI that most of us don't.
11 On May 3rd, on CNN's Wolf Blitzer's show,
12 she was asked, "Do you believe, do you have evidence
13 that there was, in fact, collusion between Trump
14 associates and Russia during the campaign?"
15 She answered, "Not at this time."
16 On May 18th, the same show, Mr. Blitzer
17 said, "The last time we spoke, Senator, I asked if
18 you had actually seen any evidence of collusion
19 between the Trump campaign and the Russians, and you
20 said to me, and I'm quoting you now -- you said,
21 'Not at this time.' Has anything changed since we
22 last spoke?"

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1 Senator Feinstein said, "Well, no. No, it


2 hasn't."
3 Do you have any reason to doubt those
4 statements?
5 MR. COMEY: I don't doubt that Senator
6 Feinstein was saying what -- what she understood. I
7 just don't want to go down that path, first of all,
8 because I'm not in the government anymore, and
9 answering in the negative, I just worry, leads me
10 deeper and deeper into talking about the
11 investigation in an open setting. I don't -- I -- I
12 want to be -- I'm always trying to be fair. I don't
13 want to be unfair to President Trump. I'm not
14 trying to suggest, by my answer, something
15 nefarious, but I don't want to get into the business
16 of saying not as to this person, not as to that
17 person.
18 SENATOR COTTON: On February 14th, the New
19 York Times published a story, the headline of which
20 was, "Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts
21 With Russian Intelligence."
22 You were asked earlier if that was an

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1 inaccurate story, and you said, in the main. Would


2 it be fair to characterize that story as almost
3 entirely wrong?
4 MR. COMEY: Yes.
5 SENATOR COTTON: Did you have, at the time
6 that story was published, any indication of any
7 contact between Trump people and Russians,
8 intelligence officers, other government officials or
9 close associates of the Russian government?
10 MR. COMEY: This one, I can't answer,
11 sitting here.
12 SENATOR COTTON: We can discuss that in a
13 classified setting then.
14 I want to turn attention now to Mr. Flynn
15 and the allegations of his underlying conduct, to be
16 specific, his alleged interactions with the Russian
17 ambassador on the telephone, and then what he said
18 to senior Trump Administration officials and
19 Department of Justice officials.
20 I understand there are other issues with
21 Mr. Flynn related to his receipt of foreign monies
22 or disclosure of potential advocacy activity on

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1 behalf of foreign governments. Those are serious


2 and credible allegations that I'm sure will be
3 pursued, but I want to speak specifically about his
4 interactions with the Russian ambassador.
5 There was a story on January 23rd in the
6 Washington Post that says -- entitled, "FBI reviewed
7 Flynn's calls with Russian ambassador but found
8 nothing illicit."
9 Is this story accurate?
10 MR. COMEY: I don't want to comment on that,
11 Senator, because I -- I'm pretty sure the bureau has
12 not confirmed any interception of communications.
13 And so I don't want to talk about that in an open
14 setting.
15 SENATOR COTTON: Would it be improper for an
16 incoming national security adviser to have a
17 conversation with a foreign ambassador?
18 MR. COMEY: In my -- in my experience, no.
19 SENATOR COTTON: But you can't confirm or
20 deny that the conversation happened, and we would
21 need to know the contents of that conversation to
22 know if it was, in fact, improper?

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1 MR. COMEY: Yeah, I don't think I can talk


2 about that in an open setting. And, again, I've
3 been out of government now a month, so I don't -- I
4 also don't want to talk about things when it's now
5 somebody else's responsibility. But maybe in the --
6 in the classified setting, we can talk more about
7 that.
8 SENATOR COTTON: You stated earlier that
9 there wasn't an open investigation of Mr. Flynn in
10 the FBI. Did you or any FBI agent ever sense that
11 Mr. Flynn attempted to deceive you, or made false
12 statements to an FBI agent?
13 MR. COMEY: I don't want to go too far.
14 That was the subject of the criminal inquiry.
15 SENATOR COTTON: Did you ever come close to
16 closing investigation on Mr. Flynn?
17 MR. COMEY: I don't think I can talk about
18 that in an open setting, either.
19 SENATOR COTTON: We can discuss these more
20 in a closed setting, then.
21 Mr. Comey, in -- in 2004, you were a part of
22 a well-publicized event about a intelligence program

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1 that had been recertified several times, and you


2 were acting attorney general when Attorney General
3 John Ashcroft was incapacitated due to illness.
4 There was a dramatic showdown at the hospital here.
5 The next day, you've said that you wrote a
6 letter of resignation, and signed it, before you
7 went to meet with President Bush to explain why you
8 refused to certify it. Is that accurate?
9 MR. COMEY: Yes, I think so.
10 SENATOR COTTON: At any time in the three
11 and half months you were the FBI director during the
12 Trump Administration, did you ever write and sign a
13 letter of recommendation and leave it on your desk?
14 MR. COMEY: Letter of resignation? No, sir.
15 SENATOR COTTON: Letter of resignation.
16 MR. COMEY: No, sir.
17 SENATOR COTTON: So despite all of the
18 things that you've testified to here today, you
19 didn't feel this rose to the level of an honest but
20 serious difference of legal opinion between
21 accomplished and skilled lawyers in that 2004
22 episode?

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1 MR. COMEY: I wouldn't characterize the


2 circumstances of 2004 that way. But to answer, no,
3 I -- I didn't find -- encounter any circumstance
4 that led me to intend to resign, consider to resign.
5 No, sir.
6 SENATOR COTTON: Thank you.
7 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Harris.
8 SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS (D-CA): Director
9 Comey, I want to thank you. You are now a private
10 citizen, and you are enduring a Senate Intelligence
11 Committee hearing, and each of us get seven minutes
12 instead of five, as yesterday, to ask you questions.
13 So thank you.
14 MR. COMEY: Now I'm -- I'm between
15 opportunities now, so --
16 SENATOR HARRIS: Well, you're -- you are --
17 (Laughter.)
18 SENATOR HARRIS: I'm sure you'll have future
19 opportunities.
20 You know, you and I are both former
21 prosecutors. I'm not going to require you to
22 answer, I just want make a statement that in -- in

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1 my -- my experience of prosecuting cases, when a


2 robber held a gun to somebody's head and -- and
3 said, "I hope you will give me your wallet," the
4 word "hope" was not the most operative word at that
5 moment. But you don't have to respond to that
6 point.
7 I have a series of questions to ask you,
8 and -- and they're going to start with, are you
9 aware of any meetings between the Trump
10 Administration officials and Russian officials
11 during the campaign that have not been acknowledged
12 by those officials in the White House?
13 MR. COMEY: That's not a -- even if I
14 remember clearly, that's a not a question I can
15 answer in an open setting.
16 SENATOR HARRIS: Are you aware of any
17 efforts by Trump campaign officials or associates of
18 the campaign to hide their communications with
19 Russian officials through encrypted communications
20 or other means?
21 MR. COMEY: I have to give you same answer,
22 Senator.

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1 SENATOR HARRIS: Sure.


2 In the course of the FBI's investigation,
3 did you ever come across anything that suggested
4 that communications, records, documents or other
5 evidence had been destroyed?
6 MR. COMEY: I think I've got to give you the
7 same answer, because it -- it would touch on
8 investigative matters.
9 SENATOR HARRIS: And are you aware of any
10 efforts or potential efforts to conceal
11 communications between campaign officials and
12 Russian officials.
13 MR. COMEY: I think I have to give you the
14 same answer, Senator.
15 SENATOR HARRIS: Thank you.
16 As a former attorney general, I have a
17 series of questions about your connection with the
18 attorney general during the course of your tenure as
19 director.
20 What is your understanding of the parameters
21 of General Sessions' recusal from the Russia --
22 Russia investigation?

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1 MR. COMEY: I think it's described in a


2 written release or statement from DOJ, which I don't
3 remember, sitting here, but the gist was he would be
4 recused from all matters relating to Russia and
5 the -- and the campaign, or activities of Russia and
6 the '16 election, I think. Something like that.
7 SENATOR HARRIS: Is -- so is your knowledge
8 of the extent of his recusal based on the public
9 statements he's made, Or the --
10 MR. COMEY: Correct.
11 SENATOR HARRIS: Okay. So was there any
12 kind of memorandum issued from the attorney general
13 or the Department of Justice to the FBI, outlining
14 the parameters of his recusal?
15 MR. COMEY: Not that I'm aware of.
16 SENATOR HARRIS: And do you know if he
17 reviewed any FBI or DOJ documents pertaining to the
18 investigation before he was recused?
19 MR. COMEY: I don't. I don't know.
20 SENATOR HARRIS: And after he was recused?
21 I'm assuming it's the same answer.
22 MR. COMEY: Same answer.

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1 SENATOR HARRIS: And as -- aside from any


2 notice or memorandum that was not sent or was, what
3 mechanism or processes were in place to ensure that
4 the attorney general would not have any connection
5 with the investigation, to your knowledge?
6 MR. COMEY: I don't know for sure. I know
7 that he had consulted with career ethics officials
8 that know how to run a recusal at DOJ, but I don't
9 know what mechanism they set up.
10 SENATOR HARRIS: And the attorney general
11 recused himself from the investigation, but do you
12 believe it was appropriate for him to be involved in
13 the firing of the chief investigator of that case --
14 of that Russia interference?
15 MR. COMEY: That's something I can't answer,
16 sitting here. It -- it's a reasonable question, but
17 that would depend on a lot of things I don't know,
18 like what did he know, what was he told, did he
19 realize that the President was doing it because of
20 the Russia investigation. Things like that. I just
21 don't know the answer.
22 SENATOR HARRIS: You've mentioned in your

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1 written testimony and here that the President


2 essentially asked you for a loyalty pledge. Are you
3 aware of him making the same request of any other
4 members of the Cabinet?
5 MR. COMEY: I am not.
6 SENATOR HARRIS: Do you know one way or
7 another what he --
8 MR. COMEY: I don't know one way or another.
9 I never heard anything about it.
10 SENATOR HARRIS: And you mentioned that
11 on -- you had the conversation where he hoped that
12 you would let the Flynn matter go on February 14th
13 or thereabouts. It's my understanding that
14 Mr. Sessions was recused from any involvement in the
15 investigation about a full two weeks later.
16 To your knowledge, was the attorney
17 general -- did he have access to information about
18 the investigation in those interim two weeks?
19 MR. COMEY: I -- I don't -- I -- in theory,
20 sure, because he's the attorney general. I don't
21 know whether he had any contact with any materials
22 related to that.

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1 SENATOR HARRIS: To your knowledge, was


2 there any directive that he should not have any
3 contact with any information about the Russia
4 investigation between the February 14th date and the
5 day he was ultimately recused -- or recused himself,
6 on March 2nd?
7 MR. COMEY: Not to my knowledge. I don't
8 know one way or another.
9 SENATOR HARRIS: And did you speak to the
10 attorney general about the Russia investigation
11 before his recusal?
12 MR. COMEY: I don't think so, no.
13 SENATOR HARRIS: Do you know if anyone in
14 the department, in the FBI, forwarded any documents
15 or information or memos of any sort to the attention
16 of the attorney general before his recusal?
17 MR. COMEY: I don't -- I don't know of any,
18 remember any, sitting here. It's possible, but I --
19 I don't remember any.
20 SENATOR HARRIS: Do you know if the attorney
21 general was involved, in fact involved, in any
22 aspect of the Russia investigation after his recusal

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1 on the 2nd of March?


2 MR. COMEY: I don't. I would assume not,
3 but I don't -- I don't -- let me say it this way. I
4 don't know of any information that would lead me to
5 believe he did something to touch the Russia
6 investigation after the recusal.
7 SENATOR HARRIS: In your written testimony,
8 you indicate that you -- when you -- after you were
9 left alone with the President, you mentioned that it
10 was inappropriate and should never happen again to
11 the attorney general. And, apparently, he did not
12 reply, and you write that he did not reply.
13 What did he do, if anything? Did he just
14 look at you? Was there a pause for a moment? What
15 happened?
16 MR. COMEY: I -- I don't remember real
17 clearly. I -- I have a recollection of him just
18 kind of looking at me -- and there's a danger here
19 I'm projecting onto him, so this may be a faulty
20 memory -- but I kind of got -- his body language
21 gave me the sense like, "What am I going to do?"
22 SENATOR HARRIS: Did he shrug?

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1 MR. COMEY: I -- I don't remember clearly.


2 I think the reason I have that impression is I have
3 some recollection of almost an imperceptible, like,
4 "What am I going to do?" But I don't have a clear
5 recollection of that. He didn't say anything.
6 SENATOR HARRIS: And, on that same February
7 14th meeting, you said you understood the President
8 to be requesting that you drop the investigation.
9 After that meeting, however, you received
10 two calls from the President, March 30th and April
11 11th, where the President talked about a cloud over
12 his presidency.
13 Has anything you've learned in the months
14 since your February 14th meeting changed your
15 understanding of the President's request? I guess
16 it would be what he has said in public documents or
17 public interviews?
18 MR. COMEY: Correct.
19 SENATOR HARRIS: Okay. And is there
20 anything about this investigation that you believe
21 is in any way biased or is -- is -- is not being
22 informed by a -- a process of seeking the truth?

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1 MR. COMEY: No. The -- the appointment of a


2 special counsel should offer great -- especially
3 given who that person is -- great comfort to
4 Americans, no matter what your political affiliation
5 is, that this will be done independently,
6 competently, and honestly.
7 SENATOR HARRIS: And do you believe that he
8 should have full authority, Mr. Mueller, to be able
9 to pursue that investigation?
10 MR. COMEY: Yes, and I -- and knowing him
11 well over the years, if there's something that he
12 thinks he needs, he will -- he will speak up about
13 it.
14 SENATOR HARRIS: Do you believe he should
15 have full independence?
16 MR. COMEY: Oh, yeah. And he wouldn't be
17 part of it if he wasn't going to get full
18 independence.
19 SENATOR HARRIS: Thank you.
20 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Cornyn.
21 SENATOR JOHN CORNYN (R-TX): Thank you,
22 Mr. Chairman.

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1 Mr. Comey, I'll repeat what I've said at


2 previous hearings, that I believe you're a good and
3 decent man who's been dealt a very difficult hand,
4 starting back with the Clinton e-mail investigation.
5 And I appreciate your willingness to appear here
6 today voluntarily and answer our questions and
7 cooperate with our investigation.
8 As a general matter, if an FBI agent has
9 reason to believe that a crime has been committed,
10 do they have a duty to report it?
11 MR. COMEY: That's a good question. I don't
12 know that there's a legal duty to report it. They
13 certainly have a cultural, ethical duty to report
14 it.
15 SENATOR CORNYN: You're unsure whether they
16 would have a legal duty?
17 MR. COMEY: It's a good question. I've not
18 thought about it before. I don't know where the
19 legal -- there's a statute that prohibits misprision
20 of a felony, knowing of a felony and taking steps to
21 conceal it, but this is a different question.
22 And so, look, let me be clear, I would

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1 expect any FBI agent who has reason -- information


2 about a crime being committed to report it.
3 SENATOR CORNYN: Me, too.
4 MR. COMEY: But where you rest that
5 obligation, I don't know. It exists.
6 SENATOR CORNYN: And let me ask you, as a
7 general proposition, if you're trying to make an
8 investigation go away, is firing an FBI director a
9 good way to make that happen? By that, I mean --
10 MR. COMEY: Yeah.
11 SENATOR CORNYN: -- doesn't --
12 MR. COMEY: It doesn't make a lot of sense
13 to me, but I'm -- I'm obviously hopelessly biased,
14 given that I was the one fired.
15 (Laughter.)
16 SENATOR CORNYN: I understand, it's
17 personal.
18 MR. COMEY: No, given the nature of the FBI,
19 I meant what I said. There's no indispensable
20 people in the world, including at the FBI. That --
21 there's lots of bad things about me not being at the
22 FBI. Most of them are for me. But the work's going

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1 to go on as before.
2 SENATOR CORNYN: So nothing that's happened
3 that you've testified to here today has impeded the
4 investigation of the FBI or Director Mueller's
5 commitment to get to the bottom of this from the
6 standpoint of the FBI and the Department of Justice;
7 would you agree with that?
8 MR. COMEY: Correct, especially the
9 appointment of Director -- Former Director Mueller,
10 is a critical part of that equation.
11 SENATOR CORNYN: Let me take you back to the
12 Clinton e-mail investigation. I think you've been
13 cast as a hero or a villain, depending on the --
14 whose political ox is being gored, at many different
15 times during the course of the Clinton e-mail
16 investigation, and even -- even now, perhaps.
17 But you clearly were troubled by the conduct
18 of the sitting attorney general, Loretta Lynch, when
19 it came to the Clinton e-mail investigation. You
20 mentioned the characterization that you'd been asked
21 to accept that this was a "matter" and not a
22 criminal investigation, which you've said it -- it

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1 was.
2 There was the matter of President Clinton's
3 meeting on the tarmac with the sitting attorney
4 general, at a time when his wife was subject to a
5 criminal investigation, and you've suggested that
6 perhaps there are other matters that you may be able
7 to share with us later on in a classified setting.
8 But it seems to me that you clearly believe
9 that Loretta Lynch, the attorney general, had a --
10 an appearance of a conflict of interest on the
11 Clinton e-mail investigation; is that correct?
12 MR. COMEY: I think that's fair. I didn't
13 believe she could credibly decline that
14 investigation, at least, not without grievous damage
15 to the Department of Justice and to the FBI.
16 SENATOR CORNYN: And under Department of
17 Justice and FBI norms, wouldn't it have been
18 appropriate for the attorney general, or if she had
19 recused herself, which she did not do, for the
20 deputy attorney general to appoint a special
21 counsel?
22 That's essentially what's happened now with

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1 Director Mueller. Would that have been an


2 appropriate step in the Clinton e-mail
3 investigation, in your opinion?
4 MR. COMEY: Yes, certainly a possible step.
5 Yes, sir.
6 SENATOR CORNYN: And were you aware that
7 Ms. Lynch had been requested numerous times to
8 appoint a special counsel, and had refused?
9 MR. COMEY: Yes, from -- I think Congress
10 had -- members of Congress had repeatedly asked.
11 Yes, sir.
12 SENATOR CORNYN: Yours truly --
13 MR. COMEY: Okay.
14 SENATOR CORNYN: -- did on multiple
15 occasions.
16 And that heightened your concerns about the
17 appearance of a conflict of interest with the
18 Department of Justice, which caused you to make what
19 you have described as an incredibly painful decision
20 to basically take the matter up yourself, and led to
21 that July press conference.
22 MR. COMEY: Yes, sir. I can -- after the --

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1 President Clinton -- former President Clinton met on


2 the plane with the attorney general, I considered
3 whether I should call for the appointment of a
4 special counsel, and had decided that that would be
5 an unfair thing to do, because I knew there was no
6 case there. We had investigated very, very
7 thoroughly. I know this is a subject of passionate
8 disagreement, but I knew there was no case there.
9 And calling for the appointment of special counsel
10 would be brutally unfair because it would send the
11 message, a-ha, there's something here.
12 That was my judgment. Again, lots of people
13 have different views of it. But that's how I
14 thought about it.
15 SENATOR CORNYN: Well, if the special
16 counsel had been appointed, they could've made that
17 determination that there was nothing there and
18 declined to pursue it, right?
19 MR. COMEY: Sure, but it would've been many
20 months later, or a year later.
21 SENATOR CORNYN: Let me just ask you to --
22 given the experience of the Clinton e-mail

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1 investigation and what happened there, do you think


2 it's unreasonable for anyone, any President who has
3 been assured on multiple occasions that he's not the
4 subject of an FBI investigation, do you think it's
5 unreasonable for them to want the FBI director to
6 publicly announce that, so that this cloud over his
7 Administration would be removed?
8 MR. COMEY: I think that's a reasonable
9 point of view. The concern would be, obviously,
10 because if that boomerang comes back, it's going to
11 be a very big deal, because there will be a duty to
12 correct.
13 SENATOR CORNYN: Well, we -- we saw that in
14 the Clinton e-mail investigation, of course.
15 MR. COMEY: Yes, I recall that.
16 SENATOR CORNYN: I know you do. So let me
17 ask you, finally, in the minute that we have left,
18 there was this conversation back and forth about
19 loyalty, and I think we all appreciate the fact that
20 an FBI director is a unique public official in the
21 sense that he's not -- he's a political appointee in
22 one sense, but he has a duty of independence to

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1 pursue the law pursuant to the -- the constitutional


2 laws of the United States.
3 And so when the President asked you about
4 loyalty, you got in this back-and-forth about, well,
5 I'll pledge you my honesty. And then it looks like,
6 from what I've read, you agreed upon honest loyalty,
7 or something like that.
8 Is that the characterization?
9 MR. COMEY: Yes.
10 SENATOR CORNYN: Thank you very much.
11 MR. COMEY: Thank you, sir.
12 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator Reed.
13 SENATOR JACK REED (D-RI): Thank you,
14 Mr. Chairman.
15 Thank you, Director Comey.
16 There have been press reports that the
17 President, in addition to asking you to drop the
18 Flynn investigation, has asked other senior
19 intelligence officials to take steps which would
20 tend to undermine the investigation into Russia.
21 There have been reports that he's asked DNI
22 Coats and Admiral Rogers to make public statements

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1 exonerating him or -- or taking the pressure off


2 him, and also reports about Admiral Rogers and
3 Director Pompeo to intervene and reach out to the
4 FBI and ask them.
5 Are you aware of any of these, or do you
6 have any information with respect to any of these
7 allegations?
8 MR. COMEY: I don't. I'm aware of the
9 public reporting, but I had no contact, no
10 conversation with any of those leaders about that
11 subject.
12 SENATOR REED: Thank you.
13 You have testified that you interpret the
14 discussion with the President about Flynn as a
15 direction to stop the investigation; is that
16 correct?
17 MR. COMEY: Yes.
18 SENATOR REED: You've testified that the
19 President asked you to lift the cloud by essentially
20 making public statement that exonerated him and
21 perhaps others. You refused, correct?
22 MR. COMEY: I didn't -- I didn't do it. I

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1 didn't refuse the -- the President. I told him we


2 would see what we could do, and then the second time
3 he called, I told him, in substance, that's
4 something your lawyer will have to take up with the
5 Justice Department.
6 SENATOR REED: And part of the underlying
7 logic was that we've -- we've discussed many times
8 throughout this morning -- is the duty to correct.
9 That is one of -- a theoretical issue, but also a
10 very practical issue. It -- was there -- your
11 feeling that the direction of the investigation
12 could, in fact, include the President?
13 MR. COMEY: Well, in theory. I mean, as I
14 explained, the concern of one of my senior leader
15 colleagues was, if you're looking at potential
16 coordination between the campaign and Russia, the
17 person at the head of the campaign is the candidate.
18 So, logically, this person argued, the -- the
19 candidate's knowledge, understanding, will logically
20 become a part of your inquiry, if it proceeds.
21 And so I understood that argument. My view
22 was that -- that what I said to the President was

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1 accurate and fair, and fair to him. I resisted the


2 idea of publicly saying it, although, if the Justice
3 Department had wanted to, that -- I would've done
4 it, because of the duty to correct and the slippery
5 slope problem.
6 SENATOR REED: And, again, also, you've
7 testified that the President asked you repeatedly to
8 be loyal to him, and you responded you would be
9 honestly loyal, which is, I think, your way of
10 saying, "I'll be honest, and I'll be the head of the
11 FBI and independent." Is that fair?
12 MR. COMEY: Correct. I tried "honest"
13 first. And also, I mean, you've -- see it in my
14 testimony, also tried to explain to him why it's in
15 his interest, and every President's interest, for
16 the FBI to be apart, in a way, because its
17 credibility is important to a President and to the
18 country.
19 And so I tried to hold the line, hold the
20 line. It got very awkward, and I then said, "You'll
21 always have honesty from me." He said, "honest
22 loyalty," and then I acceded to that as a way to end

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1 this awkwardness.
2 SENATOR REED: At the culmination of all
3 these events, you're summarily fired, without any
4 explanation or anything else.
5 MR. COMEY: Well, there was an explanation.
6 I just don't buy it.
7 SENATOR REED: Well, yes.
8 So you're fired. So do you believe that you
9 were fired because you -- you refused to -- to take
10 the President's direction? Is that the ultimate
11 reason?
12 MR. COMEY: I don't know for sure. I know I
13 was fired -- again, I take the President's words. I
14 know I was fired because of something about the way
15 I was conducting the Russia investigation was, in
16 some way, putting pressure on him, in some way,
17 irritating him, and he decided to fire me because of
18 that.
19 SENATOR REED: Now --
20 MR. COMEY: I -- I can't go farther than
21 that.
22 SENATOR REED: The Russian investigation, as

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1 you have pointed out, and as all my colleagues have


2 reflected, is one of the most serious hostile acts
3 against this country in our history, undermining the
4 very core of our democracy and our elections is not
5 a discrete event. It will likely occur, it's
6 probably being prepared now for '18 and '20 and
7 beyond. And yet the President of the United States
8 fires you because, in your own words, some relation
9 to this investigation.
10 And then he shows up in the Oval Office with
11 the Russian foreign minister, first, after
12 classifying you as crazy and a real nut job, which I
13 think you've effectively disproved this morning. He
14 said, "I face great pressure because of Russia.
15 That's taken off."
16 Your conclusion would be that the President,
17 I would think, is downplaying the seriousness of
18 this threat, In fact, took specific steps to stop a
19 thorough investigation of the Russian -- Russian
20 influence, and, also, from what you've said, or what
21 has been said this morning, doesn't seem
22 particularly interested in these hostile threats by

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1 the Russians? Is that fair?


2 MR. COMEY: I don't know that I can agree to
3 that level of detail. There's no doubt that it's a
4 fair judgment -- it's my judgment, that I was fired
5 because of the Russia investigation. I was fired,
6 in some way to change -- or the endeavor was to
7 change the way the Russia investigation was being
8 conducted.
9 That is a -- that is a very big deal, and
10 not just because it involves me. The nature of the
11 FBI and the nature of its work requires that it not
12 be the subject of political consideration. And on
13 top of that you have -- the Russia investigation
14 itself is vital, because of the threat. And I know
15 I should've said this earlier, but it's obvious. If
16 any Americans were part of helping the Russians do
17 that to us, that is a very big deal. And I'm
18 confident that if that is the case, Director Mueller
19 will find that evidence.
20 SENATOR REED: Finally, the President
21 tweeted that James Comey better hope that there are
22 no tapes of our conversation before he starts

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1 leaking to the press. Was that a rather unsubtle


2 attempt to intimidate you from testifying, and
3 intimidate anyone else who seriously crosses his
4 path, of not doing it?
5 MR. COMEY: I -- I'm not going to sit here
6 and try and interpret the President's tweets. It --
7 to me, its major impact was -- as I said, occurred
8 to me in the middle of the night, holy cow, there
9 might be tapes. And if there tapes, it's not just
10 my word against his on -- on the direction to get
11 rid of the Flynn investigation.
12 SENATOR REED: Thank you very much.
13 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator McCain.
14 SENATOR JOHN McCAIN (R-AZ): In the case
15 of -- Hillary Clinton, you made the statement that
16 there wasn't sufficient evidence to bring a suit
17 against her, although it had been very careless --
18 in their behavior. But you did reach a conclusion
19 in that case that it was not necessary to further
20 pursue her. Yet at the same time, in the case of
21 Mr. Comey [sic.], you said that there was not enough
22 information to make a conclusion.

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1 Tell me the difference between your


2 conclusion as far as former Secretary Clinton is
3 concerned and -- and Mr. -- Mr. Trump.
4 MR. COMEY: The Clinton investigation was a
5 completed investigation that the FBI had been deeply
6 involved in, and so I had an opportunity to
7 understand all the facts and apply those facts
8 against the law as I understood them. This
9 investigation was underway, still going when I was
10 fired. So it's nowhere near in the same place. At
11 least it wasn't when I was --
12 SENATOR McCAIN: But it's still ongoing?
13 MR. COMEY: Correct. Insofar as I know. It
14 was when I left.
15 SENATOR McCAIN: That investigation was
16 going on. This investigation is going on. You
17 reached separate conclusions.
18 MR. COMEY: No, that one was done. I --
19 that --
20 SENATOR McCAIN: That investigation of any
21 involvement of Secretary Clinton or any of her
22 associates is completed?

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1 MR. COMEY: Yes. As of July the 5th, the


2 FBI completed its investigative work, and that's
3 what I was announcing, what we had done and what we
4 had found.
5 SENATOR McCAIN: Well, at least in the minds
6 of this member, there's a whole lot of questions
7 remaining about what went on, particularly
8 considering the fact that, as you mention, it's a,
9 quote, big deal, as to what went on during the
10 campaign. So I'm glad you concluded that part of
11 the investigation, but I -- I think that the
12 American people have a whole lot of questions out
13 there, particularly since you just emphasized the
14 role that Russia played. And, obviously, she was a
15 candidate for President at the time, so she was
16 clearly involved in this whole situation where fake
17 news, as you just described it, "big deal," took
18 place.
19 And you're going to have to help me out
20 here. In other words, we're complete -- the
21 investigation of anything that former Secretary
22 Clinton had to do with the campaign is over and we

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1 don't have to worry about it anymore?


2 MR. COMEY: With respect to Secretary -- I'm
3 not -- I'm a little confused, Senator. With respect
4 to Secretary Clinton --
5 SENATOR McCAIN: Yeah.
6 MR. COMEY: -- we investigated criminal
7 investigation in connection with her use of a
8 personal e-mail server --
9 SENATOR McCAIN: I understand.
10 MR. COMEY: -- and that's the investigation
11 I announced the conclusion of on July 5th.
12 SENATOR McCAIN: So -- but at the same time
13 you made the announcement there would be no charges
14 brought against then Secretary Clinton for any
15 activities involved in the Russia involvement in
16 our -- engagement in our election.
17 I don't -- I don't quite understand how you
18 could be done with that, but not complete -- done
19 with the whole investigation of their attempt to
20 affect the outcome of our election.
21 MR. COMEY: No. I'm sorry, we're not -- at
22 least, when I left -- when I was fired on May the

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1 9th, there was still an open, active investigation


2 to understand the Russian efforts and whether any
3 Americans work with them.
4 SENATOR McCAIN: But you reached the
5 conclusion that there was no reason to bring charges
6 again Secretary Clinton. So you reached a
7 conclusion.
8 In the case of Mr. Comey, you -- President
9 Comey [sic.] --
10 MR. COMEY: No, sir.
11 SENATOR McCAIN: -- I mean, excuse me, case
12 of President Trump, you have an ongoing
13 investigation.
14 So you got one candidate who you're done
15 with and another candidate that you have a long way
16 to go. Is that correct?
17 MR. COMEY: I don't know how far the -- the
18 FBI has to go, but, yes, that -- the Clinton e-mail
19 investigation was completed, The investigation of
20 Russia's efforts in connection with the election,
21 and whether there was any coordination, and, if so,
22 with whom, between Russia and the campaign --

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1 SENATOR McCAIN: You just made it -- you


2 just made it --
3 MR. COMEY: -- was ongoing when I left.
4 SENATOR McCAIN: You just made it clear in
5 what you said, this is a, quote, big deal, unquote.
6 I think it's hard to reconcile, in one case
7 you reach complete conclusion, and the other side,
8 you have -- you have not, and you -- in fact,
9 obviously, there's a lot more there, as we know, as
10 you called it a, quote, big deal. She's one of the
11 candidates. But in her case you say there will be
12 no charges, and in the case of President Trump,
13 there -- the -- the investigation continues.
14 What has been brought out in this hearing
15 is, is more and more emphasis on the Russian
16 engagement and involvement in this campaign. How
17 serious do you think this was?
18 MR. COMEY: Very serious. But I want to say
19 some -- be clear. It was -- we have not announced,
20 and there was no predication to announce, an
21 investigation of whether the Russians may have
22 coordinated with Secretary Clinton's campaign.

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1 Secretary Clinton's campaign --


2 SENATOR McCAIN: Oh, but they may not have
3 been involved with her campaign, they were involved
4 with the entire presidential campaign, obviously.
5 MR. COMEY: Of course. Yes, sir. And that
6 is an investigation that began last summer, and, so
7 far as I'm aware, continues.
8 SENATOR McCAIN: So both President Trump and
9 former candidate Clinton are both involved in the
10 investigation. Yet one of them, you said there's
11 going to be no charges, and the other one, the
12 investigation continues. Well, I think there's a
13 double standard there, to tell you the truth.
14 Then, when the President said to you -- you
15 talked about the April 11th phone call, and he said,
16 quote, Because I've been very loyal to you, very
17 loyal. We had that thing, you know. Did that
18 arouse your curiosity as what, quote, that thing,
19 was?
20 MR. COMEY: Yes.
21 SENATOR McCAIN: Why didn't you ask him?
22 MR. COMEY: It didn't seem to me to be

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1 important for the conversation we were having, to


2 understand it. I took it to be some -- an effort
3 to -- to communicate to me this -- that there is a
4 relationship between us where "I've been good to
5 you, you should be good to me."
6 SENATOR McCAIN: Yeah, but I -- I think it
7 would intensely arouse my curiosity if the President
8 of the United States said, "We had that thing, you
9 know." I'd like to know what the hell that thing
10 is, particularly if I'm the director of the FBI.
11 MR. COMEY: Yeah, I -- I get that, Senator.
12 Honestly, I'll tell you what, this is speculation,
13 but what I concluded at the time is, in his memory,
14 he was searching back to our encounter at the dinner
15 and was preparing himself to say, "I offered loyalty
16 to you, you promised loyalty to me," and all of a
17 sudden his memory showed him that did not happen,
18 and I think he pulled up short.
19 That's just a guess, but I -- I -- a lot of
20 conversations with humans over the years --
21 SENATOR McCAIN: I think I would have had
22 some curiosity if it had been about me, to be honest

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1 with you.
2 So are you aware -- anything that would
3 believe you to believe that the President or the
4 members of the Administration or members of the
5 campaign could potentially be used to coerce or
6 blackmail the Administration?
7 MR. COMEY: That's a subject for
8 investigations, not something I can comment on,
9 sitting here.
10 SENATOR McCAIN: But you've reached that
11 conclusion as far as Secretary Clinton was
12 concerned, but you're not reaching a conclusion as
13 far as this Administration is concerned. Are you
14 aware of anything that would lead you to believe
15 that information exists that could coerce members of
16 the Administration or blackmail the Administration?
17 MR. COMEY: That's not a question I can
18 answer, Senator.
19 CHAIRMAN BURR: Senator's time's expired.
20 SENATOR McCAIN: Thank you.
21 CHAIRMAN BURR: All time's expired for the
22 hearing.

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1 Can I say, for members, we'll reconvene


2 promptly at 1:00 p.m. in the hearing room. We have
3 a vote scheduled for 1:45. I would suggest that all
4 members promptly be there at 1:00. We have about
5 three minutes.
6 I'd like to have order. Photographers --
7 photographers, return to where you were, please.
8 This hearing's not adjourned yet. Either that, or
9 we'll remove you.
10 To members, we have about three minutes of
11 updates that we would love to cover as soon as we
12 get into the closed session, before we have an
13 opportunity to spend some time with Director Comey.
14 Based on our agreement, it would be my
15 intention to adjourn that closed hearing between
16 2:00 and 2:10, so that members can go vote, and I
17 would urge you to eat at that time.
18 Jim, several of us on this committee have
19 had the opportunity to work with you since you
20 walked in the door. I want to say, personally, on
21 behalf of all this -- all the committee members,
22 we're grateful to you for your service to your

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1 country, not just in the capacity as FBI director,


2 but as prosecutor, and, more importantly, being
3 somebody that loves this country enough to tell it
4 like it is.
5 I want to say to your workforce that we're
6 grateful to them, with the level of cooperation that
7 they have shown us, with the trust we've built
8 between both organizations, the Congress and -- and
9 the bureau. We couldn't do our job if it wasn't for
10 their willingness to share candidly with us the work
11 that we need to see.
12 This hearing's the ninth public hearing this
13 committee has had this year. That is twice the
14 historical year-long average of this committee. I
15 think the Vice Chairman and my's biggest challenge
16 when this investigation has concluded is to return
17 our hearings to the secrecy of a closed hearing, to
18 encourage our members not to freely talk about
19 intelligence matters publicly, and to respect the
20 fact that we have a huge job.
21 And that's to represent the entire body of
22 the United States Senate and the American people, to

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1 make sure that we work with the intelligence


2 community to provide you the tools to keep America
3 safe, and that you do it within the legal limit, or
4 those limits that are set by the executive branch.
5 We could not do it if it wasn't for a
6 trusted partnership that you have been able to lead,
7 and others before you.
8 So as -- as we depart from this, this is a
9 pivotal hearing in our investigation. We're
10 grateful to you for the professionalism you've shown
11 and your willingness.
12 I will turn to the Vice Chairman.
13 SENATOR WARNER: I simply want to echo, one,
14 again, the thanks for your appearance. And there
15 clearly still remain a number of questions. And the
16 one thing I want to commit to you, and, more
17 importantly, I think, Chairman, I want to commit to
18 all those who are still potentially watching and
19 following, there's still a lot of unanswered
20 questions, and we're going to get to the bottom of
21 this. We're going to get the facts out. The
22 American people deserve to know.

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1 There's the questions around implications of


2 Trump officials and the Russians, but there's also
3 the macro issue of what the Russians did and
4 continue to do. And I think it is very important
5 that all Americans realize that threat is real. It
6 is continuous. It is not just towards our nation.
7 It is all -- towards all Western democracies. And
8 we have to come to a solution set.
9 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
10 CHAIRMAN BURR: Director Comey, thank you
11 once again on behalf on the committee.
12 This hearing's adjourned.
13 (Short pause.)
14 JUDY WOODRUFF: And that concludes the
15 public portion of the Senate Intelligence Committee
16 hearings, where they've invited the former FBI
17 director James Comey to testify about his
18 conversations with, communications with, President
19 Trump, off of the Russia investigation.
20 We are -- they are going now, as you just
21 heard, into closed session. They'll start that in
22 about 15 or 20 minutes. These are hearings that

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1 went on for a little over two and a half hours.


2 I'm Judy Woodruff in Washington, and I'm
3 joined once again by David Rivkin, who served both
4 Presidents Reagan and George H.W. Bush, and by Bob
5 Bauer, who was White House counsel to President
6 Barack Obama.
7 Gentlemen, I want to come to you, but,
8 first, I just want quickly, in a capsule, mention
9 some of highlights of the testimony as I heard it.
10 I think significant that in his opening
11 remarks Director Comey at one point called President
12 Trump's criticism of the FBI, he said they were
13 lies, plain and simple. In answering questions from
14 Senator Mark Warner, the Vice Chairman of the
15 committee, who asked him why he kept notes after his
16 conversations with the President, he said, I was
17 concerned that the President, quote, might lie about
18 the nature of the meeting.
19 So there was strong language coming out of
20 the beginning of this conversation.
21 Two, more in his conversation or answers to
22 Senator Warner, at one point he said he thought the

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1 President was looking to get something in return for


2 my getting to stay in the job.
3 Beyond that, to Republican Senator Jim
4 Risch, he said the President did not direct or order
5 you -- Senator Risch said, the President didn't
6 direct you or order you to drop the investigation.
7 And we heard James Comey say, No, not in so many
8 words, but I took it to mean that. So even though
9 he didn't use that word.
10 And there was more conversation, both Bob
11 Bauer and David Rivkin, with Senator Rubio. He
12 said, Senator Rubio said, You took it as an order,
13 even though he didn't use that word, he said, I hope
14 you will do this. And Mr. Comey said, Yes, I did.
15 We went on to hear that he gave those
16 written memos of his to his friend, who -- Columbia
17 Law School professor, we learned -- we've since
18 learned that his name is Dan Richmond. He's made a
19 statement since this, in the afternoon.
20 And just two other things I want to mention.
21 When Senator James Lankford of Oklahoma asked him
22 about the difference between the fact that Donald

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1 Trump, President Trump made it clear to the world


2 through his tweets that he was unhappy about this
3 Russia investigation, he said, How is that any
4 different from what the President did in his
5 conversations with you? Was it any different? And
6 we heard James Comey said, Yes, it was different,
7 because it could have a chilling effect on the
8 investigation.
9 So that's just a thumbnail of some of what I
10 heard. Bob Bauer, what did you mainly take away?
11 BOB BAUER: I think it's very significant,
12 James Comey made it clear that they thought that the
13 intervention on behalf of Flynn, the expression of
14 hope that Mr. Comey -- the President's expression of
15 hope that Mr. Comey drop the investigation, was what
16 he described a matter of investigative interest. He
17 said that it was something he expected Mueller to
18 take up.
19 So he's confirming that their view was, that
20 this would eventually have to be run down, this
21 question of whether the President had an intention
22 to obstruct the investigation. And it is now in Bob

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1 Mueller's hands. He made that clear on a number of


2 occasions during the testimony.
3 JUDY WOODRUFF: David Rivkin, are we any
4 closer now to knowing the exact nature of the
5 President's attempts to get the FBI to slow down,
6 stop, in some way interfere with this investigation?
7 DAVID RIVKIN: I wouldn't disagree with his
8 characterization, but I think that the facts that
9 Director Comey used today were quite helpful. Let
10 me just say that, obviously, there was bad chemistry
11 between him and the President. Despite all his
12 reputational property, Mr. Comey is a creature of
13 Washington, careful, discerning lawyer. Trump is
14 anything anti-Washington.
15 I think he has construed what the President
16 told him in the worst possible light. I think it
17 was unkind of him to infer from those statements
18 that anything untoward was happening. It's
19 interesting. He mentioned two things that actually
20 did not fit his narrative about President trying to
21 stop this investigation.
22 He mentioned the fact the President asked

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1 him to investigate his dossier, he mentioned the


2 fact that the President indicated that any associate
3 of his who'd done anything wrong should be
4 investigated. He mentioned it. He's an honest man.
5 But, Judy, he did not draw any huge strategic
6 inferences from it.
7 Let me also say this. The three things that
8 he mentioned, the matter of loyalty. I don't know
9 of any constitutional principle that prevents the
10 President from expecting loyalty within the bounds
11 of the law from all of his cabinet members.
12 JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, let me stop you there.
13 What about that, Bob Bauer? Because that's become a
14 question of great interest, when the President asked
15 him for his loyalty. And we heard director --
16 former Director Comey to say he took that to mean it
17 was -- he was conditioning -- making that a
18 condition of his keeping his job. What do we make
19 of that?
20 BOB BAUER: There's a distinction between
21 loyalty to the government, loyalty to the lawful
22 aims of the Administration, and loyalty to the

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1 personal interests of the President. And the latter


2 is simply not something you ask the FBI director to
3 give you.
4 This is an investigation that touched on the
5 Trump campaign, it touched on Donald Trump's
6 personal and legal interests and those of associates
7 of his. For him to in that context demand loyalty
8 is entirely inappropriate, it's a violation of the
9 norms, and it's leading directly to the potential
10 obstruction investigation.
11 DAVID RIVKIN: I --
12 JUDY WOODRUFF: David Rivkin?
13 DAVID RIVKIN: I disagree again. Bob is
14 drawing the worse possible implication. Even
15 Director Comey is not saying that he mentioned
16 personal loyalty.
17 But let me say this. One of the problems,
18 aside from bad chemistry, and it's very important,
19 is that Director Comey has utterly incorrect view as
20 a constitutional matter, as a legal matter, of
21 so-called independence of FBI. The chief law
22 enforcement officer of this country is the

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1 President. The President has full authority to


2 order investigations opened and order them closed.
3 As a matter of political prudence, as a
4 matter of procedure, he may not want to do that.
5 But there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. And
6 his stubborn insistence on independence, we have
7 some independent agencies that even so are subject
8 to presidential control. But the notion that FBI,
9 and he mentioned it three times in his prepared
10 statements, that is an independent investigatory
11 agency, to me, evidence is utter constitutional.
12 And I think that reinforces the bad chemistry,
13 because deep down, in an honorable way, he thought
14 the President was fundamentally strategically wrong.
15 JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, let's -- Bob Bauer?
16 BOB BAUER: I completely disagree with David
17 about this. I have to say, I think the notion that
18 the President of the United States, as a matter of
19 sort of the constitutional ground that he can stand
20 on, can interfere with an investigation in his own
21 self-protection, simply runs against what everyone
22 believes as the chief law enforcement officer of the

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1 United States he should be doing.


2 JUDY WOODRUFF: I just want to bring up one
3 other -- at least -- we only got a minute or so
4 left. And that is, Director Comey's comment, David
5 Rivkin, that the then Attorney General Loretta Lynch
6 asked him to refer to the Clinton e-mail
7 investigation as a "matter" rather than
8 investigation. He said it made him, I think he said
9 uneasy, queasy.
10 DAVID RIVKIN: Uneasy. Right.
11 JUDY WOODRUFF: What are we to make of this?
12 DAVID RIVKIN: Well, to make of it, he
13 obviously treated her kinder and gentler than he
14 treated President Trump.
15 Let me just very briefly make the following
16 point. Law enforcement entities, they're not
17 subject to political control, present the highest
18 potential for violating civil liberty. And that was
19 the story with J. Edgar Hoover, who really was
20 beyond political control of any single President.
21 By the way, the ten-year limitation is not to cabin
22 the ability of a President to control FBI, it is

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1 limit the time of years that director of FBI can


2 stay in office without new congressional blessing.
3 JUDY WOODRUFF: Bob Bauer, back on the
4 Loretta Lynch comment, how do you read that?
5 BOB BAUER: I don't think he was being
6 gentle at all. I think he was very critical of her
7 for making that statement, and he brought it up
8 twice, and he said straight on that it made him --
9 it concerned him.
10 JUDY WOODRUFF: To both of you, very
11 quickly, I think we have now less than a minute, in
12 closed session, is it your instinct that we're going
13 to learn much more? Bob Bauer?
14 BOB BAUER: Well --
15 JUDY WOODRUFF: I know it is closed, it is
16 not going to be told to us. Will the committee
17 members learn much?
18 BOB BAUER: I think they will. I think they
19 will.
20 DAVID RIVKIN: I agree. But, to me, this is
21 not about facts, this is about narrative, and at
22 least in an open session, I think the narrative that

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1 the Director Comey has been drawing, despite all his


2 honor and reputation, it's a very wrong narrative.
3 JUDY WOODRUFF: Bottom line, are we any
4 closer to knowing whether the President did
5 something improper here? David Rivkin?
6 DAVID RIVKIN: I'm convinced he absolutely
7 may have done things that were imprudent, but he's
8 done absolutely nothing unlawful. The notion that a
9 President can obstruct justice by in effect
10 exercising his own authority, he is the chief law
11 enforcement officer, relative to any given
12 investigation is just risible.
13 BOB BAUER: Mr. Comey made it clear that his
14 team was going to treat the direction on Flynn or
15 the hope he expressed about Flynn as a matter of
16 so-called investigative interest. He took it as a
17 direction, they were going to pursue it down the
18 road. It's now in Mueller's hands, so what we
19 learned today is, the President is at the moment
20 vulnerable to an investigation and to obstruction.
21 JUDY WOODRUFF: All right. We are going to
22 leave it there. Bob Bauer, David Rivkin, thank you

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1 very much for joining us as we listen to this


2 testimony, for the last two and a half hours.
3 And that does wrap up our Special PBS
4 NewsHour coverage of the U.S. Senate hearings,
5 featuring former fired FBI director James Comey.
6 Please join us here later this evening on
7 the NewsHour for full coverage, not only of this
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10 In addition, online, you'll be able to watch
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14 For all of us here, thank you for watching.
15 VOICE: This program was made possible by
16 views like you. Thank you.
17 (Music; short pause.)
18 DANIEL BUSH: Hello. I'm Daniel Bush,
19 joined with Lisa Desjardins. We're in the Senate
20 Hart building. Right behind us is the hearing room
21 where former FBI Director James Comey just testified
22 before the Senate Intelligence Committee. It was a

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1 much anticipated hearing, a big dramatic moment here


2 in Washington.
3 Lisa, what was your initial takeaway to the
4 hearing?
5 LISA DESJARDINS: There was a lot here.
6 Obviously, we have both parties essentially holding
7 a trial for President Trump here today. He's a man
8 who's not charged with anything, but he's under a
9 cloud, as he himself apparently described to former
10 Director Comey, and what we saw here was Democrats
11 trying to see if there is room for an obstruction of
12 justice charge because of what Comey says the
13 President told him about Michael Flynn, in
14 particular, and we saw Republicans trying to beat
15 that away, trying to say, Well, the President said
16 he hoped you could let go of this investigation.
17 That doesn't mean he's directing you to do that.
18 This was a preemptive strike, aimed, I
19 think, for an audience of one, which could be
20 special counsel Mueller, who is ultimately the man
21 that will decide whether the President faces any
22 kind of reprimand or punishment or anything for his

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1 words to Director Comey.


2 DANIEL BUSH: At the beginning of the
3 hearing, the very beginning, the chairman of the
4 panel, Richard Burr of North Carolina, said, This is
5 above politics, this is above partisanship.
6 And yet as you just noted, the Republicans
7 and Democrats pursued two different lines of
8 questioning, right? Let's break down both sides,
9 starting with the Democrats. What were they trying
10 to do here today?
11 LISA DESJARDINS: I think the key person to
12 watch, if you want to go back over the testimony,
13 was Dianne Feinstein. She was trying to build up
14 Comey's strength as a potential witness by kind of
15 preemptively making a strike of her own, pointing
16 out what Republicans are questioning about him,
17 saying, Well, if you had all these concerns, if you
18 felt that the President was doing inappropriate
19 things, even meeting with you one-on-one, why didn't
20 you tell him? Don't meet with me one-on-one. We
21 shouldn't be talking about this, Mr. President.
22 And to that, I think the jury is probably

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1 still out on how Mr. Comey answered. He said,


2 Honestly, I was stunned by the moment, I was trying
3 to think on my feet.
4 I don't think he gave an answer that either
5 necessarily helped or hurt him. I think that still
6 to be decided, but I think Dianne Feinstein was
7 trying to build him up by taking away the doubts
8 over him.
9 How about the Republicans? What did you
10 make of how -- what they were doing today?
11 DANIEL BUSH: It was very different, of
12 course, and you mentioned, Senator Risch's comments.
13 And that was sort of the crux for me. He honed in
14 on the word "hope," which, of course, is the way the
15 James Comey described President Trump's request that
16 he drop the Flynn investigation. According to
17 Comey, Trump said, I hope you can see to let this
18 go.
19 And what Senator Risch said was, Is "hope"
20 the same as a direct order to do something?
21 LISA DESJARDINS: Right.
22 DANIEL BUSH: And Comey's answer was, Well,

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1 I interpreted it as a direct order.


2 But, of course, there's a lot of grey area
3 in "hope." And what President Trump supporters are
4 saying is his request was not the "stop the
5 investigation order" that people on their left are
6 calling it. And as we see this investigation go on,
7 it might come down to words like that. How strongly
8 did Trump direct, or not, Comey to take action on
9 Flynn.
10 LISA DESJARDINS: All right. Meanwhile, we
11 don't have a beautiful graphics package here. This
12 is just a classic Facebook Live with us at PBS
13 NewsHour. But if you want, please tweet your
14 questions to us at NewsHours at -- I am writing it
15 down right now. I am @LisaDNews, and this is
16 @DanielBush --
17 DANIEL BUSH: Send us in your questions,
18 also on Facebook as well. We will get them on. A
19 lot of intense interest. There you go, right there.
20 And we're getting some white balance in there.
21 LISA DESJARDINS: That's right. We're very
22 cost effective.

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1 DANIEL BUSH: A lot of questions, a lot of


2 interest in this.
3 So we have Republicans really trying to
4 parse Comey's words.
5 LISA DESJARDINS: Yeah.
6 DANIEL BUSH: And, also, relitigating,
7 although Burr said he didn't want to do this,
8 relitigating the campaign. There's a lot of
9 attention on the Republican side to the infamous
10 meeting on a plane, on a tarmac between former
11 Attorney General Lynch and former President Bill
12 Clinton.
13 LISA DESJARDINS: And that gets us to a good
14 place, Dan, because I really want to talk about what
15 is it we actually learned. There's a lot of heat,
16 there's -- you know, how much light was actually
17 given by this hearing?
18 One thing we learned from director -- former
19 Director Comey's mouth, he made it clear that the
20 action of former President Clinton getting on that
21 plane with the then Attorney General Loretta Lynch,
22 that that is what made him, Comey, say, I have to

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1 break away from Lynch, and I have to go public with


2 the fact that we are investigating Mrs. Clinton.
3 So in a way, that you see that such -- as a
4 very important movement by former President Clinton,
5 that that was sort of a decisive moment where this
6 investigation came out. Remember, that was at a
7 very important point for Hillary Clinton, as she was
8 trying to build her campaign. And she really never
9 got this past this e-mail investigation, even when
10 it was closed, re-opened and closed again. And the
11 first stone that kind of caused that to become
12 public, Director Comey said today, was that meeting
13 by former President Clinton with the Attorney
14 General Lynch. And there -- and, also, Director
15 Comey said, yes, maybe that was reason for a special
16 prosecutor in that case, a special counsel.
17 What did you get out of this that you
18 thought was new?
19 DANIEL BUSH: Well, I think that we're
20 seeing more and more, this is going to be a classic
21 he said, he said, in this case. Who's word is this
22 going to come down to.

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1 We saw -- it will be interesting to see the


2 President's reactions today and moving forward.
3 There was a report out right when the hearing was
4 started, the AP reported that Trump, according to a
5 source, is going to, quote, dispute Comey's claims
6 in his memo, that Trump asked him to drop the Flynn
7 investigation, that he pledged his loyalty. So this
8 is already pitting the President's word against
9 Comey's, and in a -- both the special counsel
10 investigation and future investigations in Congress,
11 both sides are going to be looking for corroborating
12 evidence.
13 And something I was struck by was a point
14 Comey made at one point that in one of his phone
15 calls with the President, he immediately afterwards
16 spoke with his legal team. I have to go back and
17 look in the record. It's unclear whether members of
18 his legal team and other top officials at the FBI
19 were physically in the room.
20 LISA DESJARDINS: Right.
21 DANIEL BUSH: But he identified five
22 individuals specifically. He said the deputy FBI

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1 director, I believe, his special counsel, the deputy


2 special counsel, one or two other people.
3 LISA DESJARDINS: The number three. Yeah.
4 DANIEL BUSH: The number three.
5 LISA DESJARDINS: Uh-huh.
6 DANIEL BUSH: Those are individuals who
7 might be called on to testify --
8 LISA DESJARDINS: That's right.
9 DANIEL BUSH: -- and explain their side of
10 events, and either help or hurt Comey make his case.
11 LISA DESJARDINS: I want to get some of
12 these questions, but first I want to point out two
13 things that I thought were new and very significant
14 that we heard today.
15 One was Director Comey, or former Director
16 Comey, I have to keep saying that, said, he kept
17 being asked by Michael Flynn, obviously. One thing
18 he said stuck to me. He was asked, do you -- did
19 anyone -- did Director Comey ever deceive you or
20 anyone else in the FBI. To that, Comey answered,
21 that was -- that was the exact crux of the
22 investigation around Mr. Flynn.

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1 So what he's saying here is that Flynn was


2 under investigation essentially for perjury, for
3 potentially lying at some point in the
4 investigation. Not necessarily colluding with
5 Russia. I don't think it limits that, but he was
6 saying, this was all about potential deception.
7 The other thing that stuck out to me was
8 about Attorney General Sessions. We heard
9 Democrats, again and again, go after him. They're
10 trying to see if there's a weak point there. I
11 don't think they found any smoking guns or anything,
12 really, that points a new arrow of suspicion to the
13 Attorney General, except director -- former Director
14 Comey said that there is one thing about
15 Mr. Sessions that he could only talk about in a
16 classified session, that he knew would be a problem
17 if Sessions had a direct role in the Russia
18 investigation.
19 He didn't say what that is, but he said it
20 was something that was problematic related to Russia
21 for the Attorney General, and it could only be
22 talked about in a classified session. That was

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1 significant. We don't know what that is.


2 DANIEL BUSH: We don't know what that is.
3 We had a question from Paul on Twitter
4 saying, What did we learn today rather than just had
5 confirmed.
6 LISA DESJARDINS: Right.
7 DANIEL BUSH: That was one point right
8 there.
9 LISA DESJARDINS: Right.
10 DANIEL BUSH: Also, on Sessions, we learned
11 that Sessions at no point reached out or had
12 conversations with Comey, according to Comey, about
13 these issues. He was asked, I believe by Senator
14 Harris, whether Sessions at any point expressed
15 concern about what was happening. The answer was
16 no.
17 We also learned, interestingly, I believe,
18 that nobody on the Senate Intelligence Committee has
19 these memos, these famous Comey memos in hand.
20 Multiple Senators asked that Comey hand them over.
21 So they haven't --
22 LISA DESJARDINS: Right.

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1 DANIEL BUSH: They haven't seen them, beyond


2 what has been reported --
3 LISA DESJARDINS: Which is amazing.
4 DANIEL BUSH: -- in the press. This is
5 amazing.
6 LISA DESJARDINS: This is one of three key
7 investigations, and that is a central part of it,
8 what exactly was James Comey told by the President,
9 what were in his memos, and this committee doesn't
10 have them yet. They are trying to get them. James
11 Comey said he turned over his copies. He's going to
12 try to look to his friend, which, by the way,
13 there's probably a law professor at Columbia
14 University getting an extraordinary number of calls
15 and e-mails today, as sort of hesitantly James Comey
16 admitted that he was the man he used to leak his
17 memos to the press.
18 DANIEL BUSH: That was an extraordinary
19 moment.
20 LISA DESJARDINS: Right.
21 DANIEL BUSH: He, in effect, half outed a
22 source. And you could see Republicans really keying

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1 in on this --
2 LISA DESJARDINS: Right.
3 DANIEL BUSH: -- saying, why did you release
4 this information. At another point I believe it was
5 Lankford again asked --
6 LISA DESJARDINS: And why -- why is it an
7 anonymously sourced document.
8 DANIEL BUSH: Or, no. It was Senator Blunt
9 of Missouri said, Was this classified information?
10 Did you regard it as, this memo, as government -- a
11 government document or a personal document? Comey
12 said, in his view, it was a personal document that
13 he wanted to leak it out there, you know, to get the
14 word out, essentially, on his version of events, but
15 you saw Republicans starting to pick apart the story
16 and say, why did you put the memo out, why didn't
17 you do it yourself. Blunt went so far as to say,
18 Why didn't you take personal responsibility in
19 putting that information out there.
20 So you can see the sort of line, if not
21 attack, of questioning that --
22 LISA DESJARDINS: Right.

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1 DANIEL BUSH: -- Republicans are starting to


2 build around Comey's testimony.
3 LISA DESJARDINS: We're getting an avalanche
4 of questions --
5 DANIEL BUSH: Let's run through them.
6 LISA DESJARDINS: -- about one topic.
7 DANIEL BUSH: Yeah.
8 LISA DESJARDINS: And it is about one
9 Senator, it is about Senator John McCain. The final
10 Senator to ask questions today. I can -- there's a
11 lot of these names, David James Gonzalez, Ian's
12 written about this, Jonathan Perlo. All of them
13 asking, What do you make of Senator McCain's line of
14 questioning? One of them just said, Is Senator
15 McCain okay?
16 DANIEL BUSH: We were -- we were talking
17 about that, as we were coming up here to set up.
18 He was going way deep into the weeds on the
19 investigation -- on the campaign, excuse me, and
20 talking about whether or not the Clinton campaign
21 was under investigation versus the Trump campaign.
22 He called it a double standard at one point.2.

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1 LISA DESJARDINS: That's right.


2 DANIEL BUSH: There was so much focus on
3 Trump.
4 It was a little out of left field, although
5 this is about the campaign in general, but it
6 definitely struck people as a little bizarre.
7 LISA DESJARDINS: I think his wording
8 choices, after we had sort of this kind of everyone
9 had these very swift prosecutorial or defense
10 attorney questions throughout, I think that Senator
11 McCain's wording confused a lot of people.
12 But what I got from what he was trying to do
13 was say, I'm not sure you handled the Clinton
14 investigation the same way as you are now handling
15 the Trump investigation. You know, why wasn't it,
16 for example, that you didn't, you know, take notes,
17 or why didn't you pursue -- think that there needed
18 to be a special counsel, all of these ideas, things
19 that you've done with Trump.
20 I don't think Comey really got him anywhere
21 past his questions, you know, because I think -- I
22 think Mr. Comey seemed confused at least at some

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1 point about what he was asking as well.


2 I will say this about Senator McCain. We
3 had a seat, you know, just on the side of the
4 committee room where we had a good view -- better
5 view of the Republicans than the Democrats. And I
6 was watching Senator McCain. He was the easiest for
7 me to see. He was one of the most focused during
8 the hearing. He was only seldom looking at
9 Blackberry, which is -- Blackberry? What year is
10 it?
11 DANIEL BUSH: His phone. That's right.
12 LISA DESJARDINS: What's wrong with me.
13 DANIEL BUSH: Maybe he still has a
14 Blackberry. We don't know.
15 LISA DESJARDINS: Thanks for -- help me.
16 He was looking at some electronic device,
17 probably a cellular mobile telephone. And very
18 rarely was he doing that. He was actually paying
19 very close attention. There were a few others that
20 were also the same way, but he, Marco Rubio, stood
21 out to me as people who were keeping their eye and
22 really listening closely to the testimony.

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1 DANIEL BUSH: I want to go back to something


2 that Comey said near the very beginning of the
3 hearing. This was sort of in passing, but I wonder
4 what effect it will have on this investigation and
5 this debate going forward.
6 Richard Burr asked him at one point, why is
7 it that you documented all of your --
8 LISA DESJARDINS: Right.
9 DANIEL BUSH: -- conversations with
10 President Trump. In his written testimony, which
11 came out yesterday, Comey said that given the
12 unusual nature of private one-on-one conversations
13 with the President, he wanted to document the talks,
14 that he could have a version of events to
15 corroborate for himself, if he needed to.
16 He went a step further today, and, you
17 know --
18 LISA DESJARDINS: Right.
19 DANIEL BUSH: -- people rarely flat out call
20 a President a liar, say they are lying. In
21 Washington speak, it's usually a falsehood or not
22 being completely forthright.

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1 But here, Comey said --


2 LISA DESJARDINS: Right.
3 DANIEL BUSH: -- that he was concerned that
4 President Trump would lie about the meeting.
5 LISA DESJARDINS: That's right.
6 DANIEL BUSH: So that was a clear shot
7 across the bow.
8 He then followed it up and said he didn't
9 have similar concerns, right, when he had two
10 one-on-one conversations with Obama and one
11 one-on-one conversation with George Bush. So the
12 clear message was Comey trusted Bush and Obama, he
13 does not trust Donald Trump.
14 So my question for you is --
15 LISA DESJARDINS: Right.
16 DANIEL BUSH: -- this is a President who
17 takes personal slights seriously, he holds a grudge.
18 If he watched it live, or if he's going to watch it
19 later, that sent a clear message to him. How do you
20 think that's going to color the way that Trump
21 responds to Comey going forward? Is it going to
22 play a role or not?

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1 LISA DESJARDINS: Well, you know, it's


2 interesting, we do -- we are getting questions about
3 what do you make, from Stacie Parish, any conjecture
4 about Trump's Twitter silence, so uncharacteristic,
5 can't believe it. Exclamation, exclamation point.
6 Almost sort of Trump little nod --
7 DANIEL BUSH: Right.
8 LISA DESJARDINS: -- at the end, perhaps,
9 from Stacey.
10 And we're also getting questions about the
11 accusation -- accusing the President of potentially
12 lying in a hearing, how common is that.
13 It is uncommon. It is not completely
14 unique. It's not unique at all. But some
15 presidents have been accused, especially Bill
16 Clinton era, and then going back to the Nixon era,
17 of telling lies, and sometimes been proven to tell
18 lies, as in the case with Bill Clinton, certainly,
19 depending on how you read how Nixon handled things.
20 But I think as far as Trump, his lack of
21 tweeting, it sounds like, at least on this day,
22 those voices around Trump who have told him to be

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1 restrained are winning out. And who knows what


2 they've said, or who knows what else is going on.
3 We've been told by different briefings that he spent
4 most of his day focused on briefings about the Gulf
5 state and North Korea, and we're waiting to see if
6 there's a statement from -- we're told there will be
7 a statement from his counsel, his attorney, about
8 this hearing. Not from Trump himself.
9 There have been tweets from a different
10 member of the Trump family, you know, Donald Trump,
11 Jr. He' someone who has pushed back pretty
12 aggressively over Twitter today, and there's been
13 all kinds of sort of Twitter feuds attempted with
14 him.
15 But I think as far as the President goes, he
16 seems to be, at least for now, being careful and
17 restrained.
18 DANIEL BUSH: So as we sort of look at again
19 the big picture, what did we learn from here, this
20 was billed as a major show down in Washington, and
21 it certainly had all the drama of a big
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1 presidency. But a lot of viewers out there are


2 saying they wanted a bombshell, right? They
3 wanted --
4 LISA DESJARDINS: Right.
5 DANIEL BUSH: -- new revelations that really
6 push the narrative and the investigations forward.
7 Did we get that? Or is this an example of, you
8 know, what is going to be a very slow burning, slow
9 moving investigatory process?
10 LISA DESJARDINS: So much of semantics.
11 Semantics are so critical here. And I hate to be
12 this person, but I think it depends on what you mean
13 by moving the narrative forward. I think
14 Republicans will walk away thinking they did move
15 the narrative forward, in that I believe they made
16 it more difficult for -- I think -- I think they
17 made a case that this is -- what the President said
18 to Director Comey is not obstruction of justice,
19 that it was wrong, inappropriate, ill-advised, but
20 not obstruction -- does not go to obstruction of
21 justice, that Director Comey has not proven that
22 case. I think Republicans moved the ball their

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1 direction on that. It is not to say it is final.


2 I don't -- I don't think there's a lot else
3 that has moved the narrative. Overall, I think we
4 learned a few new things that were very interesting
5 and important. I think we have to continue to watch
6 Attorney General Sessions. I think there's other
7 characters in this drama that we don't know about.
8 I think it was a good day for someone like, say,
9 Jared Kushner, who only came up a couple of times,
10 but who said --
11 DANIEL BUSH: That's right.
12 LISA DESJARDINS: -- two weeks ago was right
13 in the hot seat over this issue and over his
14 meetings with Russians, and specifically his work to
15 try and set up a back channel of communications
16 with -- through the Russian ambassador. That's --
17 that's something we need to know a lot about. But
18 it did not come up today, and I think Jared
19 Kushner's probably relieved.
20 DANIEL BUSH: Yeah. Yeah, that's right.
21 And Marco Rubio, I thought, scored a good
22 point from his point of view, by really breaking

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1 down what this is all about. He said, essentially,


2 to Comey, the President made three requests of you.
3 He asked, number one, for a pledge of loyalty --
4 LISA DESJARDINS: That's true.
5 DANIEL BUSH: He asked, number two --
6 LISA DESJARDINS: Yeah.
7 DANIEL BUSH: -- for you to drop the Flynn
8 investigation. And he asked, number three, for
9 Comey to make known to the American public that
10 Trump himself was not under investigation. And when
11 Rubio put it that way, you could really sort of see
12 the political implications. And if that is all this
13 is going to amount to, people on the right argue, it
14 is nowhere near close enough to really put Donald
15 Trump in the kind of hot water that would result
16 down the line in him stepping down from office.
17 LISA DESJARDINS: Right.
18 DANIEL BUSH: If that's all that this is, as
19 Rubio is portraying it, this is something that Trump
20 can wiggle out of, potentially.
21 LISA DESJARDINS: A couple of observations I
22 want to share that you couldn't have seen on C-SPAN,

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1 that you couldn't have gotten except for being in


2 the room.
3 There was a huge crowd of people trying to
4 get into this hearing. There were just about 88
5 seats for the public. And I counted -- after those
6 seats were full, I counted nearly 300 people waiting
7 in line outside.
8 And I was curious who those people were.
9 One after another, interns, actually. So it was
10 actually a very young crowd in there.
11 DANIEL BUSH: Witnessing history.
12 LISA DESJARDINS: Witnessing history, or not
13 witnessing history. At one point, probably, what, a
14 half hour in, Dan turned to me and noticed one
15 particular intern, I'm sure from working way too
16 hard last night, in the middle of the crowd, nodding
17 off falling asleep.
18 DANIEL BUSH: That's right. So it wasn't as
19 exciting for everybody --
20 LISA DESJARDINS: Yeah.
21 DANIEL BUSH: -- as it maybe was --
22 LISA DESJARDINS: Yeah.

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1 DANIEL BUSH: -- for us.


2 LISA DESJARDINS: Yeah. There was --
3 DANIEL BUSH: Big day.
4 LISA DESJARDINS: Huge day, huge crowds of
5 journalists. And there were seats also set aside
6 for members of the House, if they wanted to come and
7 attend and watch. I only saw one member of the
8 House come and watch this hearing. That was Sheila
9 Jackson Lee. She often attends things like this.
10 She's very good about that. And she did tweet about
11 it herself. But she was sitting just a couple of
12 rows in front of us.
13 The other thing was the crowd only murmured
14 just a couple of times, and notably it was when
15 former Director Comey talked about breaking a date
16 with his wife. That was sort of the biggest
17 reaction of the crowd.
18 DANIEL BUSH: That's right.
19 LISA DESJARDINS: All of these interns said,
20 Oh, you broke a date with your wife to meet with the
21 President?
22 But, otherwise, I think that the drama is

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1 still unfolding. And I think while this was -- I


2 think this hearing probably lived up to its billing,
3 it didn't exceed it.
4 I don't know. What do you make?
5 DANIEL BUSH: Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is --
6 this is one of probably many big moments, many big
7 moments to come. And it's hard to -- you know, Mark
8 Warner, the top Democrat on the panel, said this
9 still leaves a lot of unanswered questions.
10 And that's probably a good place to leave
11 this, because there are so many questions that we
12 still don't know the answers to. It might be
13 frustrating to the American public, also frustrating
14 to a certain extent to the Senators.
15 But when Comey, and yesterday as we saw with
16 other top intelligence officials, can say in an open
17 hearing, I don't want to talk about that in an open
18 hearing, it really limits the amount of information
19 that comes out.
20 LISA DESJARDINS: That's right.
21 DANIEL BUSH: Now, you know, in the days and
22 weeks to come, it will get leaked to the press,

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1 they're going to -- the members of the panel are


2 going to end up talking to reporters a little bit
3 later today, probably most likely about the closed
4 session without revealing too many details.
5 But the way this works, it's difficult for
6 that information to come out. And there's still a
7 lot of unknown questions, as Warner put it.
8 LISA DESJARDINS: Well, there are real
9 questions here, and we've got one from Michael on
10 Twitter, too, about, same thing. Why isn't the
11 entire committee informed of everything.
12 There are real questions here, very serious
13 questions about how informed congressional oversight
14 committees are, how seriously executive branch
15 employees are taking their responsibility to answer
16 to Congress. How -- how is Congress -- how -- what
17 kind of answers is Congress able to get, because we
18 had multiple times, major pieces of this
19 investigation have come to light in the media before
20 this committee has heard them. And we also heard
21 that there were stories in the New York Times and
22 CNN that Director Comey says we are almost entirely

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1 false.
2 So there's still a lot that we think we know
3 that might not be true, and a lot that we have yet
4 to learn as well.
5 There's one comment I think that also good
6 wrapped it up on Twitter. Someone named
7 "Seriously," who calls themselves "Seriously,"
8 writing that we learned that both Democrat and
9 Republican Senators are getting serious about
10 finding the truth, no matter the implications.
11 That does seem accurate, though.
12 DANIEL BUSH: It does. You know, this
13 speaks to the much broader issue that members of
14 both parties touched on, which was Russia's meddling
15 in the election, Russia's interference. At one
16 point Warner asked Comey, was that a one-off last
17 year, or will they be back. And Comey said, Oh, No.
18 This is a -- part of a long-term effort on the part
19 of Russia. They will be back.
20 So --
21 LISA DESJARDINS: Sounds like we have lot of
22 people watching, so maybe we'll hang out just

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1 another couple minutes.


2 And, by the way, these are our Twitter
3 addresses. If you want to send questions,
4 @LisaDNews, @DanielBush. This is an official PBS
5 notepad.
6 DANIEL BUSH: So we have a web question, how
7 do Senators prepare for a hearing like this.
8 That's very insider baseball, but there's
9 interest in it.
10 LISA DESJARDINS: It's a good question.
11 DANIEL BUSH: So, obviously, there's a lot
12 of staff prep --
13 LISA DESJARDINS: Right.
14 DANIEL BUSH: -- that goes into it.
15 But how do you think Senators -- because as
16 we saw, they only got seven minutes a piece.
17 LISA DESJARDINS: That's right.
18 DANIEL BUSH: So this was a major moment
19 building, but you only have a certain amount of time
20 in the spotlight.
21 LISA DESJARDINS: That's right.
22 DANIEL BUSH: Which -- and Comey can speak

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1 essentially as long as he wants to in making his


2 answers, so you have three, four, five substantive
3 questions --
4 LISA DESJARDINS: Right.
5 DANIEL BUSH: -- you can sneak in in that
6 span. How do you decide which points to score?
7 LISA DESJARDINS: Well, you really see a
8 difference in the Senators style in a hearing like
9 this. And I'm probably tonight going to go back and
10 look at different Senators. And I kept count of how
11 many questions each senator asked. Senator Burr, I
12 believe, asked the most. He had 29 questions in
13 seven minutes. Rapid fire, mostly yes or no. He
14 was fortunate in that he had a witness who would
15 cooperate with that. Former Director Comey --
16 DANIEL BUSH: And he gets more leeway, of
17 course, as the chairman.
18 LISA DESJARDINS: That's right.
19 But there were sometimes witnesses, you
20 know, sort of go on and on and can't answer
21 questions briefly. Former Director Comey is someone
22 who's very -- has good stage presence and able to

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1 answer quickly. But other Senators, like the Vice


2 Chairman Mark Warner, had fewer questions, I think
3 about a dozen, because they wanted to also make a
4 statement as well as not just ask a question.
5 I think each of these men and women on this
6 committee prepare differently. They are handed
7 stacks of briefing papers. They have their own
8 staff. The glory of being a Senator is you get far
9 more staff resources than a member of the House. So
10 they have their own staff for their state offices,
11 and then additional staff here on the intelligence
12 committee, whom they can ask for whatever research
13 they want, help them draft questions, if they want.
14 Each one has their own different way of doing it.
15 Some do ask for questions from staff to be
16 suggested, some just like to do it on their own. It
17 all depends.
18 DANIEL BUSH: Burr was -- Burr asked Comey
19 early on, is this an objection of justice.
20 LISA DESJARDINS: Right.
21 DANIEL BUSH: And Comey's answer was, I am
22 going to leave it up to Bob Mueller. So he kicked

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1 the can down the road.


2 LISA DESJARDINS: That's right. That's
3 right.
4 DANIEL BUSH: But he made the point. And
5 looming over all of this, there's now a special
6 investigation run by former FBI Director Bob
7 Mueller --
8 LISA DESJARDINS: That's right.
9 DANIEL BUSH: -- into all of this. And that
10 also played a part, right, into this hearing because
11 before the special counsel was appointed last month,
12 this was the primary investigation -- the federal
13 investigation was going on --
14 LISA DESJARDINS: Right.
15 DANIEL BUSH: -- but this was the primary --
16 LISA DESJARDINS: The Senate Intelligence.
17 Right.
18 DANIEL BUSH: The Senate Intelligence
19 Committee was the most high profile, congressional
20 investigation.
21 LISA DESJARDINS: Right.
22 DANIEL BUSH: Now all the sudden, they have

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1 to take, in effect, a back seat because the special


2 counsel is going to end up overshadowing everything.
3 LISA DESJARDINS: Although what's really
4 important that everyone should know about the Senate
5 Intelligence Community in particular and potentially
6 House, these are the committees where we may
7 actually get the most information from. In the end,
8 Special Counsel Mueller, if he doesn't bring any
9 charges, he could just decide to make -- and this is
10 how they used to handle cases in the past, to make
11 an announcement where he says, we have closed the
12 case, we are not charging anyone with any crimes.
13 Period, end of sentence.
14 He does not have to do what Director --
15 former Director Comey did with the Clinton
16 investigation, which is write a document spelling
17 out why he came to that conclusion, what was wrong,
18 what was right. And that was -- that was a rare
19 move. That is something that, as you heard, Comey
20 wrestled with, and that he's been criticized for
21 doing. It was out of the norm for the FBI, and out
22 of the norm for investigations.

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1 So it's possible that Mueller's


2 investigation could end without us getting much of a
3 look at what he's discovered. The greatest chance
4 for the American public to understand what's
5 happening with Russia and what's not is probably
6 from this committee itself, and from it finds and
7 the final report that they come out with.
8 They had wanted to have that report out by
9 now. They started in January. They wanted to get
10 it done by now. But what happened is all the events
11 they were looking at from last fall just kept
12 evolving. Now they are continue -- now included in
13 their investigation are events like Comey's firing
14 that just happened last month. That extends how
15 long it takes because they have to do new
16 interviews, look for more research.
17 I don't -- I haven't heard any time line for
18 when they think they'll finish this investigation.
19 Maybe by the end of the year. I don't know. For
20 sure it will hangover 2018 and some very important
21 elections here at the Capitol.
22 DANIEL BUSH: That's right. There's a lot

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1 of pieces to this. It's a fast moving story. We're


2 going to be on top of it --
3 LISA DESJARDINS: Yes.
4 DANIEL BUSH: -- including right now, going
5 to see if we can get any information out of this
6 closed --
7 LISA DESJARDINS: We will check on Senator
8 McCain. I think he's okay.
9 DANIEL BUSH: Check in on Senator McCain.
10 LISA DESJARDINS: There's a lot of concern.
11 DANIEL BUSH: Checking to see if there's any
12 information to be gleaned from this closed session,
13 which is happening right now.
14 We'll be on top of that, as will as
15 President Trump's reaction as they trickle out, if
16 they do today and beyond, and the White House
17 itself --
18 LISA DESJARDINS: Right.
19 DANIEL BUSH: So we'll be on top of the
20 story and see what happens.
21 LISA DESJARDINS: Thank you for watching PBS
22 NewsHour. We have the best viewers in the world, we

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117:4, 122:5, accurate 5:16, 49:18, 130:15
125:2, 152:8, 29:9, 71:7, 52:15, 171:1 administration
156:6, 178:6, 95:8, 108:7, active-measures 4:6, 21:7,
190:10, 216:17, 109:17, 110:9, 92:1 22:6, 24:16,
219:22 140:9, 142:8, activities 28:3, 30:22,
above 163:1, 217:11 7:12, 10:8, 31:12, 34:22,
10:19, 192:5 accurately 24:2, 146:5, 96:1, 113:15,
abroad 72:6 170:15 113:20, 139:18,
10:12 accusation activity 142:12, 144:10,
abruptly 208:11 31:14, 107:1, 159:7, 175:4,
2:8, 68:18 accusations 125:9, 136:14, 175:6, 175:13,
absolute 122:8 139:22 175:16, 184:22
63:9 accused acts administrations
absolutely 208:15 165:2 3:5, 3:12
4:9, 186:5, accusing actual admiral
189:6, 189:8 208:11 31:17 17:7, 160:22,
abstract acknowledge actually 161:2
28:9, 28:18 106:17 11:5, 20:15, admitted
abuse acknowledged 35:17, 45:14, 16:15, 201:16
75:2 14:11, 77:10, 49:5, 51:1, admonition
acceded 144:11 52:4, 60:15, 16:3
163:22 across 61:21, 71:8, adult
accept 42:13, 145:3, 81:18, 82:11, 131:4
207:7 91:14, 96:7, advantage
155:21 105:22, 137:18,
access act 17:11, 107:19
28:21, 92:12, 183:19, 195:15, adversary
31:17, 31:22, 195:16, 205:18,
32:3, 39:1, 100:7, 100:10, 11:22
128:10 213:9, 213:10, advisability
46:14, 74:20, 222:7
137:6, 137:9, act's 113:16
100:8 addition adviser
148:17 25:6, 51:10,
accessible acting 13:20, 13:21,
35:1, 61:14, 160:17, 190:10 14:5, 79:19,
46:9 additional
accomplish 64:4, 68:14, 140:16
78:20, 80:4, 14:1, 15:19, advisers
7:9 123:12, 220:11
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advisor 43:10, 44:10, ago 79:7, 88:6,
3:22 44:22, 46:11, 2:9, 211:12 94:3, 95:6,
advocacy 47:6, 48:14, agree 96:18, 96:21,
139:22 51:16, 51:21, 59:15, 66:15, 99:2, 103:4,
affect 53:20, 56:8, 85:17, 107:11, 105:3, 111:19,
76:6, 170:20 57:5, 59:18, 155:7, 166:2, 113:18, 115:22,
affection 59:21, 60:16, 188:20 120:10, 122:4,
14:8 61:4, 67:7, agreed 122:5, 123:21,
affiliation 83:14, 83:19, 13:2, 18:9, 124:12, 124:17,
152:4 84:9, 87:8, 39:15, 70:20, 126:5, 128:3,
affirmatively 98:20, 102:1, 70:22, 71:1, 128:13, 129:15,
45:11 114:21, 117:21, 71:4, 160:6 129:18, 130:8,
after 118:3, 119:4, agreeing 131:10, 133:4,
13:18, 15:4, 120:2, 124:10, 11:8, 59:16, 138:7, 142:17,
15:18, 16:5, 125:4, 135:17, 126:6 146:4, 159:19,
16:16, 20:4, 141:2, 150:10, agreement 164:2, 165:1,
35:15, 37:6, 158:12, 163:6, 7:3, 23:6, 168:7, 174:16,
37:7, 42:15, 164:13, 171:6, 176:14 175:21, 176:3,
42:20, 45:8, 178:14, 179:11, agrees 176:21, 178:18,
48:17, 50:13, 180:3, 185:13, 10:18 179:5, 179:7,
51:10, 61:1, 196:10, 199:9, aides 183:11, 184:11,
61:4, 80:12, 202:5, 209:18 138:20 188:6, 189:1,
88:16, 96:2, against aimed 189:21, 190:12,
102:10, 103:22, 64:12, 75:8, 10:9, 10:11, 190:14, 192:17,
117:19, 119:2, 92:13, 92:19, 12:7, 191:18 194:10, 199:6,
127:22, 128:12, 96:19, 114:5, aims 203:12, 204:18,
132:13, 146:20, 120:6, 165:3, 184:22 206:7, 208:14,
149:22, 150:6, 167:10, 167:17, alert 209:13, 209:21,
150:8, 151:9, 168:8, 170:14, 87:3 212:1, 212:12,
157:22, 165:11, 186:21, 197:8 align 212:18, 214:19,
180:15, 199:9, agencies 220:17, 221:5,
125:7 221:9, 221:22,
204:8, 213:5, 30:9, 186:7 all
213:9 agency 223:10, 225:1
5:20, 6:6, all-time
afternoon 186:11 8:15, 11:6,
2:16, 181:19 agenda 109:6
12:7, 19:18, allegation
afterwards 4:11, 71:6 21:2, 21:7,
35:12, 197:15 agent 29:22, 30:1, 29:11, 135:13
again 141:10, 141:12, 31:5, 34:13, allegations
10:22, 11:5, 153:8, 154:1 37:9, 37:19, 7:16, 27:13,
12:17, 15:11, agents 43:8, 48:14, 52:21, 75:7,
15:21, 17:18, 28:7, 63:11, 49:18, 50:3, 136:16, 139:15,
18:20, 20:17, 72:19, 121:4, 50:9, 51:21, 140:2, 161:7
28:17, 34:16, 121:17 52:14, 53:3, alleged
34:19, 35:12, aggressions 55:20, 62:5, 139:16
36:20, 38:15, 126:20 62:20, 69:18, allegedly
39:2, 40:1, aggressive 71:3, 72:1, 16:19, 17:3,
41:10, 41:20, 78:19, 113:10 72:3, 73:17, 50:18
43:4, 43:8, aggressively 75:5, 75:8, allude
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alluded 39:19, 40:21, amount answered
126:21 97:6, 119:8, 58:21, 115:9, 126:15, 137:1,
almost 130:20, 163:2, 212:13, 215:18, 137:15, 193:1,
139:2, 151:3, 167:17, 195:7, 218:19 198:20
208:6, 216:22 204:4, 222:3 analysts answering
alone always 63:11 103:17, 136:11,
21:18, 36:5, 13:2, 22:11, andy 138:9, 180:13
54:15, 87:8, 41:21, 100:7, 69:9, 69:17 answers
87:22, 90:12, 114:4, 138:12, angus 126:14, 180:21,
102:1, 102:3, 163:21 106:16 215:12, 216:17,
102:4, 132:15, amazing annette 219:2
150:9 201:3, 201:5 1:22, 226:3, anti-washington
along ambassador 226:14 183:14
112:15, 133:14, 57:22, 99:20, announce anticipated
133:17 113:3, 113:4, 9:20, 159:6, 191:1
already 113:16, 139:17, 172:20 anybody
5:20, 11:16, 140:4, 140:7, announced 63:18, 67:10,
25:9, 31:4, 140:17, 211:16 170:11, 172:19 120:7
42:2, 42:8, amen announcement anyhow
43:2, 64:7, 26:14, 46:1 170:13, 222:11 103:18
66:22, 73:8, america announcing anymore
77:2, 197:8 7:9, 48:9, 169:3 105:13, 123:10,
also 92:10, 92:19, anonymously 138:8, 170:1
3:6, 3:17, 4:1, 128:12, 178:2 202:7 anyone
8:7, 8:13, 10:6, american another 10:11, 10:21,
14:2, 17:2, 7:6, 8:10, 59:21, 135:20, 12:21, 43:15,
20:20, 41:9, 8:20, 9:3, 10:2, 148:7, 148:8, 55:7, 80:8,
49:3, 57:18, 21:14, 22:2, 149:8, 171:15, 86:6, 88:10,
76:19, 87:9, 22:9, 23:3, 202:4, 213:9, 118:13, 149:13,
98:4, 117:10, 26:20, 26:22, 218:1 159:2, 167:3,
126:7, 131:2, 28:11, 28:20, answer 198:19, 198:20,
131:5, 141:4, 29:12, 45:16, 27:16, 28:17, 222:12
161:2, 162:9, 49:16, 49:22, 29:18, 54:11, anything
163:6, 163:13, 51:17, 51:22, 77:13, 77:17, 12:21, 26:9,
163:14, 165:20, 66:21, 73:7, 93:13, 103:15, 26:20, 29:5,
179:2, 184:7, 78:12, 79:4, 111:12, 111:16, 42:3, 44:17,
190:8, 194:18, 96:10, 107:8, 111:18, 120:3, 46:6, 65:17,
195:6, 196:14, 107:15, 127:1, 136:20, 138:14, 70:19, 72:2,
200:10, 200:17, 130:19, 169:12, 139:10, 143:2, 94:15, 100:17,
205:20, 208:10, 177:22, 178:22, 143:22, 144:15, 117:20, 118:7,
214:5, 215:13, 212:9, 215:13, 144:21, 145:7, 127:22, 137:21,
216:20, 217:5, 223:4 145:14, 146:21, 145:3, 148:9,
220:3, 221:10 americans 146:22, 147:15, 150:13, 151:5,
alter 11:12, 27:21, 147:21, 153:6, 151:13, 151:20,
9:10 74:20, 84:19, 175:18, 193:4, 164:4, 169:21,
altered 84:22, 128:5, 193:22, 200:15, 175:2, 175:14,
24:6 152:4, 166:16, 216:15, 219:20, 183:14, 183:18,
although 171:3, 179:5 220:1, 220:21 184:3, 191:8,
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191:22, 199:11 65:19, 97:15, 116:19, 117:1, 15:17, 17:3,
anywhere 136:7, 147:12, 118:15, 125:22, 41:8, 42:6,
204:20 156:18, 157:2 126:3, 127:15, 57:3, 62:14,
ap appropriately 130:12, 143:12, 65:4, 65:6,
197:4 16:10 144:7, 154:6, 67:4, 70:4,
apart april 158:21, 159:17, 79:20, 83:11,
163:16, 202:15 15:20, 60:3, 161:4, 173:21, 123:7, 160:17,
apologize 61:1, 61:4, 185:2, 203:10, 203:13, 205:1
84:18 98:20, 102:18, 220:4, 220:12, asleep
apparently 102:20, 151:10, 220:15 213:17
150:11, 191:9 173:15 asked aspect
appear area 15:9, 15:20, 26:8, 118:20,
6:11, 18:10, 194:2 39:6, 42:2, 149:22
81:9, 153:5 aren't 42:5, 43:2, aspects
appearance 68:10, 129:17 44:13, 47:16, 35:13
6:14, 156:10, argue 59:17, 60:6, assessment
157:17, 178:14 212:13 60:15, 63:12, 25:14, 71:7
appears argued 64:22, 69:8, assist
14:21, 15:5, 162:18 70:14, 72:9, 81:10, 117:11
81:18, 103:3 argument 72:10, 72:14, associate
apply 162:21 73:12, 75:7, 74:12, 184:2
168:7 around 77:21, 85:14, associates
appoint 27:9, 47:8, 86:18, 88:15, 2:12, 13:17,
156:20, 157:8 52:10, 58:7, 88:22, 89:3, 14:1, 122:16,
appointed 72:4, 121:7, 89:4, 94:6, 137:14, 139:9,
19:11, 19:13, 179:1, 198:22, 94:12, 104:9, 144:17, 168:22,
158:16, 221:11 203:2, 208:22 106:5, 108:12, 185:6
appointee arouse 110:1, 110:5, assume
173:18, 174:7 117:17, 123:9, 68:22, 80:10,
159:21 126:2, 127:20,
appointment arrow 150:2
199:12 130:9, 132:14, assumed
89:4, 152:1, 132:18, 135:17,
155:9, 158:3, article 90:10
50:14, 50:16 137:12, 137:17, assuming
158:9 138:22, 148:2,
appreciate ashcroft 99:8, 146:21
155:20, 157:10, assurance
6:10, 8:3, 142:3 160:3, 160:18,
47:10, 48:10, aside 81:19
160:21, 161:19, assure
49:1, 115:3, 147:1, 185:18, 163:7, 180:15,
125:18, 153:5, 214:5 181:21, 183:22, 39:12, 82:9
159:19, 225:1 ask 184:14, 187:6, assured
appreciation 4:9, 6:19, 197:6, 198:17, 4:1, 20:6,
86:9 15:10, 18:11, 198:18, 200:13, 69:17, 111:3,
appreciative 24:11, 24:17, 200:20, 202:5, 159:3
126:17 41:12, 46:17, 206:6, 212:3, attack
approach 46:22, 47:3, 212:5, 212:8, 202:21
9:10, 10:7, 47:19, 60:21, 217:16, 219:11, attacked
10:16 61:2, 61:3, 219:12, 220:18 12:1, 31:7
appropriate 66:20, 81:12, asking attempt
4:9, 65:18, 86:7, 92:17, 4:11, 9:8, 28:6, 167:2,

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170:19 155:18, 156:3, awesome 56:14, 122:11,
attempted 156:9, 156:18, 131:16 146:8, 176:14
23:11, 96:2, 156:20, 158:2, awkward basically
141:11, 209:13 187:5, 195:11, 57:3, 163:20 71:22, 72:8,
attempts 195:21, 196:13, awkwardness 157:20
183:5 199:8, 199:13, 164:1 basis
attend 199:21, 204:10, B 29:13, 68:11
214:7 209:7, 211:6 back bauer
attended audience 27:3, 32:14, 2:22, 4:16,
93:8 191:19 35:2, 43:12, 4:21, 5:11,
attends audio 61:17, 73:3, 180:5, 181:11,
214:9 1:7, 2:2, 75:11, 90:22, 182:10, 182:11,
attention 225:2, 226:7 94:6, 99:10, 184:13, 184:20,
45:6, 136:13, author 107:3, 107:6, 186:15, 186:16,
139:14, 149:15, 97:17 107:19, 111:2, 188:3, 188:5,
195:9, 205:19 authorities 112:2, 113:22, 188:13, 188:14,
attorney 7:8 116:19, 117:19, 188:18, 189:13,
3:6, 13:19, authority 119:3, 124:10, 189:22
15:9, 20:10, 119:22, 120:9, 128:19, 153:4, beach
32:17, 33:14, 152:8, 186:1, 155:11, 159:10, 106:2
38:8, 44:12, 189:10 159:18, 174:14, beat
44:14, 45:2, authorize 188:3, 192:12, 49:13, 191:14
61:14, 63:21, 124:4 197:16, 206:1, beautiful
64:4, 67:16, avalanche 208:16, 209:11, 194:11
68:14, 76:8, 203:3 211:15, 217:17, became
76:11, 76:13, average 217:19, 219:9, 30:2, 44:5
77:8, 77:15, 177:14 222:1 because
78:20, 80:4, avoid back-and-forth 5:11, 11:22,
80:5, 80:12, 61:10 71:21, 160:4 16:9, 16:11,
80:13, 80:20, aware back-door 20:2, 20:16,
80:21, 86:12, 24:1, 29:21, 96:3 20:22, 21:18,
86:13, 86:18, 30:3, 30:16, bad 27:17, 34:2,
87:7, 95:10, 72:16, 76:20, 10:1, 132:8, 37:4, 37:22,
101:18, 101:22, 79:17, 80:13, 154:21, 183:10, 38:15, 39:22,
102:6, 102:11, 94:4, 117:9, 185:18, 186:12 40:3, 41:1,
102:16, 102:21, 117:12, 144:9, balance 44:2, 45:12,
118:14, 120:13, 144:16, 145:9, 194:20 50:2, 56:4,
120:17, 123:6, 146:15, 148:3, ball 56:20, 56:21,
123:7, 124:1, 157:6, 161:5, 210:22 57:3, 57:11,
125:6, 132:14, 161:8, 173:7, bank 59:8, 59:9,
132:17, 133:18, 175:2, 175:14 112:18 62:1, 63:3,
134:15, 134:21, away barack 63:15, 63:22,
142:2, 145:16, 18:3, 33:18, 68:1, 68:9,
145:18, 146:12, 3:1, 180:6
63:17, 65:11, baseball 69:6, 69:22,
147:4, 147:10, 78:17, 121:5, 70:3, 72:15,
148:16, 148:20, 218:8 77:11, 77:14,
154:8, 182:10, based
149:10, 149:16, 191:15, 193:7, 78:17, 82:13,
149:20, 150:11, 23:5, 28:13, 82:18, 83:11,
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89:3, 92:10, 67:22, 72:18, 216:19, 221:11 56:17, 57:7,
93:14, 94:22, 73:5, 73:18, began 60:8, 62:19,
103:14, 105:20, 77:21, 81:1, 13:11, 41:8, 74:21, 75:5,
108:5, 115:9, 82:19, 84:6, 173:6 94:15, 94:16,
115:14, 119:21, 85:11, 90:20, begin 99:8, 99:17,
120:9, 123:13, 100:8, 100:9, 13:22, 55:22, 110:10, 129:5,
123:17, 124:18, 100:13, 103:19, 81:8 129:21, 131:19,
125:1, 128:19, 109:10, 122:6, beginning 133:21, 135:10,
138:8, 140:11, 122:10, 123:9, 180:20, 192:2, 136:17, 137:12,
145:7, 147:19, 126:1, 130:9, 192:3, 206:2 147:12, 150:5,
148:20, 158:5, 131:20, 132:4, begins 151:20, 152:7,
158:10, 159:10, 132:9, 132:10, 42:21 152:14, 153:2,
159:11, 163:4, 136:9, 141:3, behalf 153:9, 156:8,
163:16, 164:9, 142:1, 144:11, 28:21, 29:13, 156:13, 164:8,
164:14, 164:17, 145:5, 153:3, 107:16, 140:1, 175:3, 175:14,
165:8, 165:14, 153:9, 155:12, 176:21, 179:11, 198:1, 200:13,
166:5, 166:10, 155:20, 156:17, 182:13 200:17, 202:4,
166:14, 173:16, 157:1, 157:7, behave 208:5, 210:15,
182:7, 184:13, 158:16, 158:19, 17:13, 76:1 219:12
186:13, 191:12, 159:3, 160:16, behaved believed
195:14, 204:21, 160:21, 165:21, 90:15 63:22, 99:5,
215:11, 216:17, 167:17, 168:5, behavior 99:18
218:15, 220:3, 172:14, 173:3, 40:5, 76:14, believes
221:10, 222:1, 173:16, 174:4, 167:18 186:22
223:15 174:22, 178:6, behind benefit
becket 189:1, 201:2, 8:5, 10:3, 70:19, 96:19
112:13 208:15, 208:17, 23:14, 23:19, beside
become 209:3, 209:9, 190:20 22:15
5:15, 28:15, 209:12, 222:20 being besides
29:20, 30:16, before 4:1, 4:10, 80:20
131:21, 162:20, 1:9, 2:6, 4:16, 19:15, 22:4, best
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been 18:10, 20:4, 82:22, 102:3, 224:22, 226:6
3:11, 5:16, 22:7, 27:11, 103:16, 110:12, better
6:21, 7:16, 36:15, 42:18, 110:14, 117:19, 21:17, 59:22,
9:17, 10:9, 43:15, 44:14, 125:19, 129:9, 86:9, 88:16,
11:10, 13:6, 44:18, 55:18, 151:21, 154:2, 120:3, 166:21,
13:7, 14:2, 58:7, 58:12, 154:21, 155:14, 205:4
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25:2, 25:9, 81:10, 115:6, 177:2, 188:5, 2:11, 10:1,
26:18, 27:9, 116:1, 121:3, 198:17, 206:22, 14:13, 25:3,
30:17, 33:8, 122:3, 125:10, 209:16, 213:1, 27:21, 40:2,
33:9, 33:10, 132:5, 135:10, 220:8 52:17, 102:8,
34:8, 39:5, 142:6, 146:18, belief 102:9, 111:10,
45:1, 48:20, 149:11, 149:16, 17:12 119:10, 133:12,
54:5, 54:7, 153:18, 155:1, believe 137:13, 137:19,
55:7, 58:6, 166:22, 176:12, 139:7, 142:20,
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162:16, 168:1, 78:22 68:14 bridge
171:22, 174:4, blessing bombshell 21:3
176:15, 177:8, 188:2 210:2 brief
181:22, 183:11, blind books 19:8, 35:10,
184:20, 195:10 4:6 100:8 35:12, 47:17,
beyond blindfold boomerang 90:2, 97:4,
7:10, 22:5, 44:1 159:10 101:15, 113:15
22:6, 165:7, blitzer boss briefed
181:3, 187:20, 137:16 76:2, 76:6 32:9, 33:8,
201:1, 224:16 blitzer's both 33:10, 74:3,
biased 137:11 3:4, 3:7, 3:12, 84:6, 84:18,
151:21, 154:13 blue 20:3, 23:1, 101:4
big 42:13 33:2, 35:21, briefing
44:20, 58:19, blumenthal 51:11, 67:1, 35:15, 82:5,
107:12, 121:13, 106:18 73:21, 95:16, 82:17, 82:18,
127:3, 128:1, blunt 124:2, 129:12, 94:1, 97:6,
128:2, 128:10, 97:20, 97:21, 129:13, 143:20, 97:8, 101:9,
159:11, 166:9, 98:10, 98:15, 173:8, 173:9, 127:18, 220:7
166:17, 169:9, 99:1, 99:16, 177:8, 180:3, briefings
169:17, 172:5, 100:5, 100:15, 181:10, 188:10, 113:19, 209:3,
172:10, 191:1, 100:21, 101:8, 191:6, 192:8, 209:4
209:19, 209:21, 101:21, 102:10, 197:9, 197:11, briefly
214:3, 215:6 102:14, 102:22, 217:8, 217:14 11:15, 32:15,
biggest 103:9, 104:5, bottom 89:22, 187:15,
177:15, 214:16 104:13, 104:19, 12:22, 17:17, 219:21
bill 105:3, 105:9, 155:5, 178:20, bring
32:19, 195:11, 105:17, 106:7, 189:3 70:11, 114:5,
208:15, 208:18 202:8, 202:17 bounds 117:20, 119:1,
billed bob 184:10 167:16, 171:5,
209:20 4:16, 4:21, bow 187:2, 222:8
billing 5:10, 34:11, 207:7 bringing
215:2 79:13, 110:21, box 118:3
billion 116:6, 130:4, 64:6 broad
121:7 134:2, 180:4, boy 12:6, 106:22
bipartisan 181:10, 182:10, 52:22 broadcast
6:2, 10:6, 92:9 182:11, 182:22, branch 1:7
bit 184:13, 184:20, 60:12, 62:11, broader
44:10, 66:4, 185:13, 186:15, 74:14, 120:5, 9:11, 84:12,
86:2, 91:11, 186:16, 188:3, 120:10, 178:4, 102:7, 217:13
112:17, 216:2 188:5, 188:13, 216:14 broadly
bizarre 188:14, 188:18, break 83:15
204:6 189:13, 189:22, 96:15, 109:4, broke
blackberry 220:22, 221:6 192:8, 196:1 214:20
205:9, 205:14 body breaking brought
blackmail 94:19, 150:20, 109:7, 211:22, 44:15, 68:18,
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172:14, 188:7 175:21, 179:10, C 196:6, 206:11,
brutally 192:4, 195:7, c-span 211:9, 222:17
158:10 206:6, 219:11, 212:22 campaign
build 220:18 cabin 9:12, 12:6,
42:4, 192:13, bush 187:21 14:1, 14:3,
193:7, 196:8, 3:5, 38:10, cabinet 14:13, 31:8,
203:2 38:14, 38:17, 148:4, 184:11 40:2, 40:4,
building 134:14, 142:7, call 41:3, 41:4,
190:20, 218:19 180:4, 190:18, 6:4, 9:8, 50:15, 52:17,
built 192:2, 193:11, 28:12, 33:15, 68:21, 69:11,
6:15, 34:3, 193:22, 194:17, 52:5, 62:1, 69:16, 71:15,
177:7 195:1, 195:6, 68:17, 68:19, 92:1, 111:10,
bunch 196:19, 197:21, 84:4, 86:7, 123:20, 124:19,
21:2 198:4, 198:6, 92:6, 102:16, 124:22, 125:2,
bureau 198:9, 200:2, 102:19, 102:20, 125:3, 125:8,
6:13, 83:1, 200:7, 200:10, 109:3, 109:19, 137:14, 137:19,
125:11, 140:11, 201:1, 201:4, 110:1, 123:9, 138:20, 144:11,
177:9 201:18, 201:21, 123:10, 124:6, 144:17, 144:18,
burning 202:3, 202:8, 124:7, 124:9, 145:11, 146:5,
210:8 203:1, 203:5, 131:18, 135:17, 162:16, 162:17,
burr 203:7, 203:16, 135:20, 136:3, 169:10, 169:22,
5:17, 5:18, 204:2, 205:11, 136:7, 136:8, 171:22, 172:16,
6:4, 6:7, 6:9, 205:13, 206:1, 136:10, 158:3, 172:22, 173:1,
18:8, 18:16, 206:9, 206:19, 173:15, 206:19 173:3, 173:4,
22:22, 23:10, 207:3, 207:6, called 175:5, 185:5,
23:13, 23:18, 207:11, 207:12, 195:8, 196:8,
207:16, 208:7, 15:19, 108:11, 203:19, 203:20,
23:22, 24:4, 108:13, 109:16,
24:10, 24:15, 209:18, 210:5, 203:21, 204:5
211:11, 211:20, 109:17, 131:12, campaigns
24:20, 26:1, 131:15, 135:9,
26:7, 26:17, 212:5, 212:7, 123:17
212:18, 213:11, 135:22, 136:10,
27:7, 27:19, 162:3, 172:10, camping
28:5, 28:14, 213:18, 213:21, 105:21
214:1, 214:3, 180:11, 198:7,
29:2, 29:15, 203:22 can't
29:20, 30:4, 214:18, 215:5, 12:17, 33:7,
215:21, 217:12, calling
30:10, 30:16, 14:9, 158:9, 52:11, 63:10,
30:20, 31:2, 218:6, 218:11, 65:20, 76:20,
218:14, 218:18, 194:6
31:15, 32:4, calls 77:12, 86:18,
32:6, 32:14, 218:22, 219:5, 93:13, 95:1,
219:16, 220:18, 47:8, 60:2,
33:3, 33:20, 102:11, 102:19, 95:2, 110:17,
34:15, 48:5, 220:21, 221:4, 110:18, 111:12,
221:9, 221:15, 135:5, 135:6,
55:12, 64:18, 135:8, 140:7, 116:16, 139:10,
74:15, 81:5, 221:18, 221:22, 140:19, 147:15,
223:22, 224:4, 151:10, 197:15,
89:12, 97:20, 201:14, 217:7 164:20, 208:5,
106:15, 114:18, 224:9, 224:11, 219:20
224:19 came candid
125:15, 134:5, 19:20, 50:17,
137:7, 143:7, business 6:16, 58:11
138:15 66:13, 71:3,
152:20, 160:12, 72:3, 155:19, candidate
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41:4, 162:17, 54:6, 77:6, cetera 175:19, 175:21,
169:15, 171:14, 101:15, 109:16, 72:18 177:15, 178:12,
171:15, 173:9 114:5, 114:10, chain 178:17, 179:9,
candidate's 118:6, 147:13, 77:16, 99:7, 179:10, 180:14,
162:19 158:6, 158:8, 99:8 192:3, 219:17,
candidates 166:18, 167:14, chair 220:2
172:11 167:19, 167:20, 23:4, 23:5 chairs
candidly 171:8, 171:11, chairman 106:20, 106:21
12:13, 177:10 172:6, 172:11, 5:17, 5:19, challenge
candor 172:12, 196:16, 6:4, 6:7, 6:9, 51:22, 177:15
8:3 196:21, 198:10, 6:22, 11:1, chance
cannot 208:18, 210:17, 11:4, 12:18, 22:13, 116:1,
12:20, 59:1 210:22, 222:12, 18:7, 18:8, 126:9, 223:3
capacity 226:9 18:16, 19:3, change
177:1 cases 22:22, 23:10, 40:20, 166:6,
capitol 31:16, 48:21, 23:13, 23:18, 166:7
223:21 54:1, 54:2, 23:22, 24:4, changed
capped 54:4, 84:20, 24:10, 24:15, 26:21, 64:13,
32:21 144:1, 222:10 24:20, 26:1, 68:2, 137:21,
capsule cast 26:7, 26:17, 151:14
180:8 24:5, 155:13 27:7, 27:15, channel
captain casting 27:19, 28:5, 96:3, 211:15
66:7 5:6 28:14, 29:2, channels
capture caught 29:15, 29:19, 96:9, 96:16
96:17 14:2 29:20, 30:4, chaos
car caused 30:10, 30:16, 12:7
35:18, 97:11 27:1, 157:18, 30:20, 31:2, character
care 196:11 31:15, 32:4, 120:22
70:2, 112:21 causing 32:6, 32:14, characterization
career 70:21 33:3, 33:20, 155:20, 160:8,
13:8, 77:2, cellular 34:15, 34:16, 183:8
147:7 205:17 34:17, 34:18, characterize
careful centered 38:21, 48:5, 77:7, 139:2,
58:8 49:15, 52:9, 143:1
46:4, 51:5, 55:11, 55:12,
66:14, 68:8, central characters
111:9, 201:7 55:14, 64:17, 211:7
83:10, 84:1, 64:18, 74:15,
183:13, 209:16 certain charge
3:20, 58:21, 74:17, 81:4, 101:15, 191:12
carefully 81:5, 81:7,
59:11 215:14, 218:19 charged
certainly 89:12, 97:19, 10:7, 54:5,
careless 97:20, 97:22,
167:17 72:22, 111:14, 54:7, 55:7,
153:13, 157:4, 106:15, 114:17, 191:8
carolina 114:18, 125:15,
5:18, 192:4 208:18, 209:21 charges
certificate 125:17, 134:4,
carry 134:5, 137:7, 9:22, 170:13,
34:6, 115:9 226:1 171:5, 172:12,
certify 143:7, 152:20,
case 152:22, 160:12, 173:11, 222:9
31:15, 31:20, 7:5, 142:8, charging
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check civil 144:14, 150:17, 196:10, 216:3,
131:15, 136:1, 187:18 151:1, 155:17, 222:11, 224:6,
224:7, 224:9 claimed 156:8, 169:16, 224:12
checking 29:6 178:15 closely
224:11 claiming clearness 34:1, 205:22
chemistry 13:14 49:3 closer
183:10, 185:18, claims clinton 5:1, 5:2,
186:12 29:3, 197:5 9:19, 16:9, 183:4, 189:4
cherry-pick class 32:19, 69:7, closing
95:2 48:15 123:8, 123:20, 46:17, 114:1,
chief classic 131:20, 132:9, 141:16
61:21, 62:6, 194:12, 196:20 153:4, 155:12, cloud
62:8, 74:9, classification 155:15, 155:19, 9:9, 15:21,
74:10, 95:11, 46:7, 97:1 156:11, 157:2, 16:4, 47:9,
97:3, 113:7, classified 158:1, 158:22, 60:4, 60:6,
147:13, 185:21, 6:20, 33:11, 159:14, 167:15, 60:16, 60:18,
186:22, 189:10 45:21, 47:15, 168:2, 168:4, 61:17, 62:3,
chilling 52:2, 97:6, 168:21, 169:22, 66:16, 66:17,
121:22, 182:7 97:8, 97:9, 170:4, 170:14, 70:15, 71:5,
choice 97:12, 97:14, 171:6, 171:18, 151:11, 159:6,
10:1 105:4, 105:10, 173:9, 175:11, 161:19, 191:9
choices 105:11, 122:11, 187:6, 195:12, cnn
204:8 126:3, 126:7, 195:20, 196:2, 216:22
choose 126:15, 130:11, 196:4, 196:7, cnn's
107:16 133:16, 139:13, 196:13, 203:20, 137:11
chose 141:6, 156:7, 204:13, 208:16, co-opt
21:8, 26:22, 199:16, 199:22, 208:18, 222:15 14:22, 28:20,
59:11 202:9 clinton's 29:12
cia classifying 156:2, 172:22, coats
80:9 165:12 173:1 17:6, 80:9,
circle clean clintons 160:22
123:1 45:14 69:3 coerce
circumstance clear close 29:12, 175:5,
59:19, 143:3 9:2, 11:17, 3:9, 3:16, 175:15
circumstances 15:11, 16:12, 22:7, 33:19, coercion
36:3, 36:4, 17:22, 45:9, 45:6, 69:2, 28:19
37:17, 62:6, 45:14, 48:19, 69:7, 76:18, cohort
62:9, 65:14, 53:6, 67:20, 89:5, 92:6, 113:8
66:3, 68:2, 70:8, 85:12, 106:8, 139:9, colleague
87:22, 143:2 151:4, 153:22, 141:15, 205:19, 10:10, 10:13
cite 172:4, 172:19, 212:14 colleagues
135:4 182:1, 182:12, closed 6:17, 12:14,
citizen 183:1, 189:13, 6:18, 18:21, 22:8, 22:12,
14:18, 19:21, 195:19, 207:6, 78:1, 111:20, 62:16, 126:13,
104:22, 105:6, 207:12, 207:19 141:20, 176:12, 137:4, 162:15,
143:10 cleared 176:15, 177:17, 165:1
city 45:15, 85:13 179:21, 186:2, collected
clearly 188:12, 188:15, 31:19
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collins 2:17, 3:13, 5:5, 143:11, 176:18, completely
81:5, 81:6, 17:16, 187:4, 176:21, 177:13, 124:14, 186:16,
81:21, 83:5, 192:14, 193:22, 177:14, 179:11, 206:22, 208:13
83:8, 84:3, 195:4, 195:19, 179:15, 180:15, complex
84:14, 85:5, 197:5, 197:9, 188:16, 190:22, 26:11
85:9, 87:6, 203:2, 220:21, 200:18, 201:9, compliance
87:14, 88:9, 223:13 205:4, 216:11, 81:9
88:13, 89:6, comfort 216:20, 220:6, complimented
89:8, 89:11 152:3 220:12, 221:19, 49:11
colluded comfortable 223:6 compromise
136:17 106:20 committee's 85:20
colluding coming 7:13, 8:14, conceal
50:15, 199:4 43:12, 51:12, 11:9, 17:21, 145:10, 153:21
collusion 126:6, 128:12, 33:8, 33:10 concern
9:15, 26:4, 180:19, 203:17 committees 9:16, 28:22,
27:20, 52:16, command 216:14, 222:6 39:22, 40:22,
122:7, 136:16, 99:7, 99:9 common 63:9, 69:5,
137:13, 137:18 comment 41:22, 43:3, 86:14, 99:2,
color 96:12, 110:18, 43:4, 208:12 127:9, 159:9,
207:20 121:5, 122:15, communicate 162:14, 200:15,
columbia 123:6, 140:10, 174:3 224:10
89:10, 134:9, 175:8, 187:4, communication concerned
181:16, 201:13 188:4, 217:5 95:16, 96:3, 20:1, 33:16,
combination comments 110:3 36:11, 62:22,
36:2, 36:14, 11:1, 34:20, communications 123:13, 124:18,
37:16, 38:16, 111:22, 193:12 50:21, 96:16, 168:3, 175:12,
87:20 commit 97:16, 140:12, 175:13, 180:17,
come 178:16, 178:17 144:18, 144:19, 188:9, 207:3
11:8, 37:11, commitment 145:4, 145:11, concerning
45:14, 49:22, 7:1, 155:5 179:18, 211:15 25:19, 124:20,
66:13, 107:15, committed community 127:16
108:14, 108:19, 4:10, 153:9, 7:7, 7:11, concerns
118:5, 118:10, 154:2 12:12, 17:4, 29:8, 68:6,
119:3, 130:13, committee 35:4, 49:21, 79:17, 80:6,
141:15, 145:3, 1:9, 2:7, 2:16, 51:2, 80:8, 80:14, 99:5,
179:8, 180:7, 4:16, 5:12, 92:4, 92:19, 126:22, 157:16,
194:7, 196:22, 5:16, 5:19, 93:15, 178:2, 192:17, 207:9
211:18, 214:6, 6:11, 7:4, 10:4, 222:5 concise
214:8, 215:7, 11:6, 13:7, compelled 48:19
215:22, 216:6, 17:20, 18:10, 35:16 conciseness
216:19, 223:7 19:4, 23:2, competently 49:2
comes 34:1, 34:6, 152:6 conclude
62:12, 63:13, 39:1, 45:20, complete 33:18
72:2, 72:8, 46:14, 55:17, 130:1, 169:20, concluded
94:14, 159:10, 81:10, 92:5, 170:18, 172:7 42:1, 169:10,
215:19 97:15, 99:4, completed 174:13, 177:16
comey's 116:20, 130:19, 168:5, 168:22, concludes
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conclusion 20:14, 20:20, constantly 102:1
25:19, 58:5, 33:16, 123:11, 10:16 continues
165:16, 167:18, 170:3, 204:11, constitution 7:14, 172:13,
167:22, 168:2, 204:22 22:3 173:7, 173:12
170:11, 171:5, congress constitutional continuing
171:7, 172:7, 19:14, 43:19, 160:1, 184:9, 31:10, 41:17
175:11, 175:12, 67:1, 73:7, 185:20, 186:11, continuous
222:17 73:22, 157:9, 186:19 179:6
conclusions 157:10, 177:8, construed contrary
168:17 197:10, 216:16, 183:15 131:11
conclusive 216:17 consulted contrast
32:21 congressional 147:7 6:2
condition 84:5, 84:10, contact contributed
184:18 84:19, 188:2, 24:22, 28:6, 33:4, 33:7
conditioning 216:13, 221:19 67:16, 77:4, control
184:17 conjecture 139:7, 148:21, 186:8, 187:17,
conduct 208:3 149:3, 161:9 187:20, 187:22
40:5, 139:15, connect contacts controversy
155:17 75:19 13:17, 25:13, 58:7
conducted connected 25:14, 47:14, conversation
59:20, 75:17, 15:15, 58:16, 79:3, 138:20 8:2, 25:17,
166:8 110:2 contained 35:16, 37:1,
conducting connection 27:14 38:12, 40:12,
14:16, 56:5, 25:13, 57:21, contemporaneous 47:15, 57:1,
164:15 78:2, 145:17, 39:2, 114:11, 59:5, 62:1,
conference 147:4, 170:7, 114:12 63:1, 63:6,
73:1, 97:7, 171:20 contemporaneously 87:17, 88:20,
110:4, 157:21 consent 49:4 92:21, 99:20,
confidence 129:10 content 104:9, 104:11,
21:11, 127:21, consequences 32:4, 32:6, 104:14, 104:21,
130:7 132:8 89:1, 105:14 110:1, 117:18,
confident consider contents 121:4, 127:19,
24:4, 24:7, 31:6, 76:5, 140:21 131:8, 135:11,
130:2, 166:18 104:13, 113:12, context 135:12, 140:17,
confirm 132:17, 143:4 4:5, 8:8, 28:9, 140:20, 140:21,
27:13, 123:14, consideration 42:6, 58:3, 148:11, 159:18,
124:4, 140:19 33:12, 76:7, 70:8, 82:6, 161:10, 166:22,
confirmed 166:12 82:10, 83:2, 174:1, 180:20,
68:4, 140:12, considered 83:17, 83:22, 180:21, 181:10,
200:5 63:20, 104:15, 85:2, 185:7 207:11
confirming 114:13, 158:2 contingent conversations
182:19 considering 75:12, 75:16 2:19, 20:3,
conflict 169:8 continue 30:21, 34:11,
156:10, 157:17 consistency 5:10, 7:10, 37:7, 37:8,
confrontation 95:17, 95:19 98:2, 115:5, 56:10, 57:22,
209:22 consistent 117:5, 179:4, 58:10, 58:17,
confused 76:2 211:5, 223:12 61:20, 62:10,
19:22, 20:2, constant continued 69:9, 74:7,
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81:13, 81:14, 50:8, 50:20, 56:12, 57:16, 86:8
85:10, 93:14, 51:3, 51:4, 58:5, 59:8, count
94:3, 96:18, 53:10, 53:11, 59:9, 60:17, 13:22, 219:10
97:5, 105:16, 53:14, 54:22, 61:7, 61:11, counted
108:3, 115:22, 55:5, 66:18, 68:1, 70:14, 213:5, 213:6
117:15, 117:22, 67:6, 68:2, 70:18, 71:2, counterintellige-
127:13, 129:6, 68:6, 78:14, 77:19, 78:21, nce
134:13, 134:21, 81:19, 81:20, 80:16, 85:18, 9:16, 28:15,
135:4, 174:20, 83:8, 98:19, 85:19, 94:2, 29:1, 29:5,
179:18, 180:16, 100:1, 103:8, 99:13, 104:2, 29:7, 29:14,
182:5, 200:12, 104:4, 104:18, 104:16, 116:18, 32:7, 39:20,
206:9, 206:12, 111:5, 111:6, 116:20, 120:5, 40:9, 81:22,
207:10 146:10, 151:18, 120:15, 120:16, 82:4, 83:15,
convinced 155:8, 156:11, 120:17, 126:15, 84:11, 84:20,
77:1, 189:6 159:12, 161:16, 135:21, 156:13, 85:3, 113:21,
cooperate 161:21, 162:8, 162:2, 162:12, 119:19
153:7, 219:15 163:4, 163:12, 170:18, 175:5, country
cooperation 168:13, 171:16, 175:15, 178:5, 18:2, 22:18,
126:18, 177:6 226:4 182:7, 191:16, 28:16, 92:13,
coordinated corroborate 191:19, 199:15, 98:3, 128:2,
172:22 64:10, 64:13, 199:21, 201:22, 130:22, 163:18,
coordination 206:15 206:14, 212:11, 165:3, 177:1,
26:5, 40:2, corroborating 222:9, 223:2 177:3, 185:22
162:16, 171:21 197:11 could've country's
copies corroboration 158:16 8:17, 16:17,
88:10, 88:14, 88:19 couldn't 34:12, 130:5
201:11 cost 67:11, 90:11, couple
copy 96:15, 194:22 103:14, 103:15, 115:13, 137:3,
116:3, 116:9, cotton 177:9, 212:22, 211:9, 212:21,
116:11, 116:14, 114:18, 134:5, 213:1 214:11, 214:14,
116:19, 117:2 134:6, 134:12, counsel 218:1
core 134:18, 134:20, 3:1, 25:20, courageous
36:8, 130:22, 135:3, 136:13, 34:8, 62:7, 66:7
165:4 137:3, 138:18, 62:8, 65:19, course
cornyn 139:5, 139:12, 67:10, 67:15, 16:5, 16:10,
55:16, 152:20, 140:15, 140:19, 74:10, 74:11, 54:3, 58:11,
152:21, 153:15, 141:8, 141:15, 89:4, 105:13, 123:19, 145:2,
154:3, 154:6, 141:19, 142:10, 152:2, 156:21, 145:18, 155:15,
154:11, 154:16, 142:15, 142:17, 157:8, 158:4, 159:14, 173:5,
155:2, 155:11, 143:6 158:9, 158:16, 193:12, 193:14,
156:16, 157:6, could 180:5, 191:20, 194:2, 219:17
157:12, 157:14, 9:8, 9:15, 196:16, 197:9, court
158:15, 158:21, 10:11, 15:10, 198:1, 198:2, 114:10
159:13, 159:16, 19:16, 26:3, 204:18, 209:7, cover
160:10 26:7, 30:14, 221:11, 222:2, 176:11
correct 40:22, 41:21, 222:8, 226:8 coverage
26:11, 30:7, 43:4, 44:22, counsel's 2:5, 2:22,
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covert 188:6, 210:11 d-ri 221:4, 221:9,
28:10 criticism 160:13 221:15, 221:18,
covertly 180:12 d-va 221:22, 223:22,
29:12 criticized 11:3, 34:17 224:4, 224:9,
cow 26:18, 222:20 d-wv 224:11, 224:19
167:8 cross 125:16 data
cowardly 28:6 dais 30:17, 31:19
61:10 crosses 115:3 date
crazy 167:3 damage 37:5, 109:4,
165:12 crowd 156:14 109:7, 135:21,
create 213:3, 213:10, dan 149:4, 214:15,
9:7, 37:3, 213:16, 214:13, 80:9, 181:18, 214:20
41:13, 68:2, 214:17 195:14, 213:14 david
75:21, 83:12, crowds danger 3:4, 3:11,
84:1, 106:8 214:4 150:18 3:15, 5:10,
created crr dangerous 5:14, 6:1,
19:14, 37:1, 1:22, 226:14 129:1 180:3, 181:11,
37:6, 43:19, crucial daniel 183:3, 183:7,
56:6 209:22 190:18, 192:2, 185:11, 185:12,
creates crux 193:11, 193:22, 185:13, 186:16,
68:6 193:13, 198:21 194:17, 195:1, 187:4, 187:10,
creature csr 195:6, 196:19, 187:12, 188:20,
183:12 1:22, 226:14 197:21, 198:4, 189:5, 189:6,
credibility culmination 198:6, 198:9, 189:22, 203:11
5:5, 33:1, 164:2 200:2, 200:7, dawn
128:14, 163:17 cultural 200:10, 201:1, 88:18
credible 153:13 201:4, 201:18, day
29:11, 140:2 curiosity 201:21, 202:3, 16:11, 16:16,
credibly 127:9, 173:18, 202:8, 203:1, 21:16, 37:11,
33:19, 156:13 174:7, 174:22 203:5, 203:7, 58:6, 58:12,
crime curious 203:16, 204:2, 72:17, 73:1,
153:9, 154:2 213:8 205:11, 205:13, 98:13, 112:13,
crimes current 206:1, 206:9, 119:2, 131:12,
222:12 13:20, 20:10 206:19, 207:3, 142:5, 149:5,
criminal cyber 207:6, 207:16, 208:21, 209:4,
9:22, 25:12, 208:7, 209:18, 211:8, 214:3,
12:6, 23:19, 214:4
26:8, 26:16, 29:21, 29:22, 210:5, 211:11,
27:13, 54:2, 30:1, 30:2 211:20, 212:5, days
54:8, 78:8, cycle 212:7, 212:18, 11:12, 42:18,
83:16, 85:4, 213:11, 213:18, 80:12, 215:21
26:10, 91:9, dccc
90:18, 114:5, 91:20 213:21, 214:1,
119:18, 125:10, 214:3, 214:18, 23:15, 30:5,
D 215:5, 215:21, 31:21
141:14, 155:22, d-ca
156:5, 170:6 217:12, 218:6, dea
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criminality d-nm
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critical d-or
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169:9, 169:17, dedicated denied 182:16, 191:9,
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deal's deep denies describes
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dealing 203:18 deny describing
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dealings 138:10 140:20 descriptions
36:21 deeply denying 8:12
dealt 22:3, 168:5 13:12 deserve
153:3 defame depart 178:22
debate 21:8 178:8 designed
39:16, 206:5 defend department 96:22
deceive 37:13 9:21, 24:17, desjardins
141:11, 198:19 defense 33:2, 33:18, 190:19, 191:5,
december 204:9 35:20, 63:8, 192:11, 193:21,
58:1, 78:5, defensive 63:19, 64:3, 194:10, 194:21,
112:11 82:7, 113:19 86:6, 88:11, 195:5, 195:13,
decent define 101:10, 118:14, 197:20, 198:3,
153:3 9:15 134:8, 134:16, 198:5, 198:8,
deception definitely 134:22, 139:19, 198:11, 200:6,
199:6 204:6 146:13, 149:14, 200:9, 200:22,
decide demand 155:6, 156:15, 201:3, 201:6,
9:20, 31:13, 185:7 156:16, 157:18, 201:20, 202:2,
191:21, 219:6, demeanor 162:5, 163:3 202:6, 202:22,
222:9 95:19 departure 203:3, 203:6,
decided democracies 27:12 203:8, 204:1,
16:13, 40:10, 179:7 depend 204:7, 205:12,
63:17, 63:21, democracy 147:17 205:15, 206:8,
64:5, 76:10, 12:17, 131:4, depending 206:18, 207:2,
87:16, 158:4, 165:4 155:13, 208:19 207:5, 207:15,
164:17, 193:6 democrat depends 208:1, 208:8,
decision 51:11, 107:21, 28:9, 210:12, 210:4, 210:10,
10:1, 26:18, 137:8, 215:8, 220:17 211:12, 212:4,
32:15, 32:17, 217:8 deputy 212:6, 212:17,
39:16, 45:11, democratic 38:8, 61:14, 212:21, 213:12,
76:16, 101:5, 62:6, 62:7, 213:20, 213:22,
12:3, 107:14 214:2, 214:4,
157:19 democrats 64:3, 67:16,
decision-making 74:9, 74:10, 214:19, 215:20,
11:20, 67:1, 216:8, 217:21,
9:18 73:21, 128:12, 74:12, 80:21,
decisions 86:12, 102:21, 218:10, 218:13,
191:10, 192:7, 218:17, 218:21,
20:22, 21:4, 192:9, 199:9, 156:20, 197:22,
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205:5 219:18, 220:20,
decisive demonstrate describe
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decline demonstrated described
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224:10, 224:18, 158:13, 182:4, 161:15, 162:11, discussions
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desk 192:7, 193:11, 189:14, 189:17, disinformation
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despite 219:10, 220:14 directive dismissal
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142:17, 183:11, 90:15, 130:15, directly dismissed
189:1 220:6 26:19, 91:2, 104:1
destroyed difficult 113:16, 120:18, disparaging
145:5 28:8, 28:17, 185:9 16:17
detail 37:16, 38:10, director's disproved
58:2, 166:3 60:13, 128:19, 6:21, 15:6, 165:13
detailed 132:6, 153:3, 62:7, 74:10 dispute
36:17, 112:17, 210:16, 216:5 dirty 197:5
126:3 dinner 95:3, 128:17 disrupt
details 9:5, 15:5, disagree 31:9
5:3, 7:20, 41:7, 41:11, 130:20, 183:7, distinction
27:17, 100:2, 42:4, 42:21, 185:13, 186:16 184:20
123:12, 130:13, 75:4, 75:6, disagreed disturbing
216:4 75:11, 83:9, 40:8 15:3, 25:18,
determination 89:15, 89:17, disagreement 45:18
12:11, 158:17 90:8, 90:12, 158:8 dnc
determine 90:15, 94:5, disarray 23:15, 30:5,
8:4, 12:16, 94:9, 94:13, 21:9 31:20, 31:21
35:22 108:4, 108:5, discerning dni
development 108:10, 108:12, 183:13 17:6, 80:9,
45:18 108:14, 109:5, disclosure 160:21
device 136:10, 174:14 139:22 document
97:9, 205:16 dip discovered 27:8, 27:14,
devices 122:5 223:3 29:3, 35:16,
31:22, 96:4 diplomat discrepancies 36:13, 37:21,
devoted 113:6, 113:13 25:3 38:8, 38:15,
107:17 direct discrete 45:19, 46:15,
dianne 29:12, 32:3, 165:5 64:7, 104:15,
55:13, 192:13, 41:18, 44:11, discuss 104:16, 202:7,
193:6 48:12, 53:16, 46:8, 59:1, 202:11, 202:12,
dictator 120:5, 120:6, 76:10, 76:20, 206:13, 222:16
14:9 120:16, 181:4, 117:15, 139:12, documented
difference 181:6, 193:20, 141:19 117:22, 206:7
102:2, 121:9, 194:1, 194:8, discussed documenting
121:13, 142:20, 199:17 18:9, 39:10, 35:17, 38:11
168:1, 181:22, directed 62:3, 80:7, documents
219:8 29:17, 33:14, 85:11, 100:16, 105:5, 105:12,
differences 99:6 135:6, 162:7 117:6, 117:8,
10:15, 74:19 directing discussion 145:4, 146:17,
different 191:17 6:16, 100:11, 149:14, 151:16
4:11, 115:17, direction 102:10, 133:2, dogged
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doing 24:3, 34:5, 151:8, 160:17, 37:7, 114:8,
2:9, 20:5, 34:10, 138:3, 181:6, 182:15, 128:3, 128:20,
20:11, 22:17, 138:5, 166:3 193:16, 197:6, 143:11, 219:11,
44:4, 68:8, doubts 212:7 220:5, 220:14
72:4, 76:6, 193:7 dropped ear
92:17, 92:18, down 78:7, 78:11 42:14, 112:7
127:10, 131:1, 14:4, 36:1, dropping earlier
131:15, 131:16, 36:16, 49:4, 118:7 66:3, 99:17,
131:17, 135:18, 52:19, 52:22, due 103:21, 106:18,
147:19, 167:4, 53:2, 64:9, 142:3 123:6, 127:12,
187:1, 192:18, 72:9, 94:14, during 138:22, 141:8,
193:10, 205:18, 101:6, 110:6, 10:8, 20:22, 166:15
220:14, 222:21 115:16, 119:5, 61:19, 68:16, early
doj 128:16, 138:7, 69:8, 79:18, 30:19, 220:19
146:2, 146:17, 182:20, 183:5, 80:14, 81:16, easier
147:8 186:13, 189:17, 91:20, 96:1, 46:7, 96:17
domain 192:8, 194:7, 135:17, 137:14, easiest
27:7 194:15, 196:22, 142:11, 144:11, 205:6
donald 209:20, 212:1, 145:18, 155:15, eat
2:8, 136:17, 212:16, 221:1 169:9, 183:2, 176:17
181:22, 185:5, downplay 205:7 echo
207:13, 209:10, 17:4 dust-up 178:13
212:14 downplaying 52:20 edgar
done 165:17 duty 82:15, 187:19
32:2, 34:10, dozen 4:8, 68:2, edit
47:22, 64:7, 220:3 68:6, 153:10, 23:8
67:5, 70:20, draft 153:12, 153:13, effect
87:19, 115:4, 220:13 153:16, 159:11, 39:7, 77:22,
120:22, 130:8, drama 159:22, 162:8, 78:9, 78:18,
152:5, 163:3, 209:21, 211:7, 163:4 121:22, 182:7,
168:18, 169:3, 214:22 dying 189:9, 201:21,
170:18, 171:14, dramatic 124:13 206:4, 222:1
184:3, 189:7, 142:4, 191:1 E effective
189:8, 204:19, draw e-mail 119:13, 194:22
223:10 184:5 9:19, 26:19, effectively
door drawing 32:16, 38:12, 165:13
176:20 185:14, 189:1 153:4, 155:12, effort
dossier drill 155:15, 155:19, 7:15, 9:6,
27:8, 29:16, 52:19 156:11, 157:2, 14:22, 18:1,
103:13, 110:14, driven 158:22, 159:14, 25:17, 28:10,
184:1 92:1 170:8, 171:18, 29:11, 30:8,
double driveway 187:6, 196:9 31:5, 31:8,
173:13, 203:22 105:21 e-mails 41:12, 42:4,
doubt drop 97:3, 123:8, 96:15, 174:2,
3:19, 3:22, 15:14, 15:17, 136:15, 201:15 217:18
5:6, 23:10, 16:3, 57:20, each efforts
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171:2, 171:20 employ 14:6 essentially
eight 29:12 enough 99:21, 148:2,
74:3 employed 14:10, 54:10, 156:22, 161:19,
either 226:9 56:20, 57:5, 191:6, 199:2,
30:19, 36:21, employees 94:10, 119:15, 202:14, 212:1,
38:12, 38:17, 216:15 167:21, 177:3, 219:1
42:1, 96:1, employs 212:14 establish
107:17, 110:18, 113:8 ensure 8:18, 9:13,
141:18, 176:8, encounter 12:17, 132:15, 91:4
193:4, 198:10 78:3, 143:3, 147:3 estimate
elected 174:14 enterprise 30:10
132:10 encounters 78:10 estimation
election 42:16, 78:4 entire 25:4
2:13, 10:8, encourage 12:11, 13:11, et
11:19, 12:4, 134:8, 177:18 60:18, 76:16, 72:18
13:18, 21:1, encouraged 92:4, 111:9, ethical
24:5, 26:9, 134:7 129:18, 173:4, 153:13
28:1, 91:9, encrypted 177:21, 216:11 ethics
91:19, 92:20, 144:19 entirely 147:7
93:12, 107:1, encryption 5:7, 47:17, euphemisms
127:14, 146:6, 74:21 139:3, 185:8, 123:21
170:16, 170:20, end 216:22 evade
171:20, 217:15 58:1, 60:5, entities 96:10
elections 60:6, 61:22, 14:4, 27:22, even
7:13, 8:6, 105:21, 163:22, 30:11, 31:6, 13:8, 13:22,
10:6, 12:18, 208:8, 216:2, 31:11, 187:16 19:13, 27:3,
12:20, 23:11, 222:2, 222:7, entitled 34:21, 47:7,
24:13, 26:4, 222:13, 223:2, 140:6 66:8, 76:12,
34:7, 126:20, 223:19 entity 99:7, 103:10,
165:4, 223:21 endeavor 32:2 126:16, 144:13,
electronic 166:6 environment 155:16, 181:8,
50:19, 205:16 ends 97:14 181:13, 185:14,
else 225:2 episode 186:7, 192:19,
43:15, 63:18, enduring 8:22, 142:22 196:9
95:12, 106:12, 143:10 equally even-handed
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167:3, 198:20, 60:11 equation evening
209:2, 211:2 enforcement 155:10 190:6
else's 16:17, 89:19, era event
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em 185:22, 186:22, especially 165:5
69:11 187:16, 189:11 28:19, 28:20, events
embassy engaged 37:9, 86:16, 8:12, 164:3,
113:7 12:5, 14:21, 96:10, 122:12, 198:10, 202:14,
emphasis 17:1 131:3, 152:2, 206:14, 223:10,
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eventually 198:21 154:1 extensive
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47:3, 55:7, 15:4, 204:16, 37:20, 74:4, extraordinary
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87:8, 89:14, exceed 144:1, 158:22 extremely
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117:20, 118:2, 114:3, 128:5, 62:21 eye
118:5, 127:8, 199:13, 213:1 experiment 3:9, 121:15,
127:15, 130:6, exceptionally 128:15 205:21
131:8, 131:10, 115:14, 117:3, expertise F
132:17, 132:21, 117:7 13:5
141:10, 141:15, face
exchange expired 25:8, 128:14,
142:12, 145:3, 43:6 175:19, 175:21
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exciting explain facebook
every 213:19 14:17, 86:8,
11:14, 13:2, 194:12, 194:18
exclamation 142:7, 163:14, faces
17:19, 21:16, 208:5 198:9
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excuse explained facetious
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163:15 129:10
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everybody excuses explaining
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106:12, 213:19 executive explanation
everyone 13:2, 14:11,
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186:21, 204:8, 49:3, 50:9,
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222:4 exercising explanations
everything 73:20, 77:1,
189:10 19:22 95:8, 95:14,
7:2, 216:11, exfiltrated express
222:2 99:12, 101:17,
30:17 14:7, 90:17, 131:11, 137:13,
evidence existence 121:1
26:3, 114:11, 140:22, 149:21,
123:15 expressed 159:19, 162:12,
137:12, 137:18, exists 17:9, 69:4,
145:5, 166:19, 165:18, 169:8,
7:5, 113:1, 189:15, 200:14 172:8, 177:20,
167:16, 186:11, 113:2, 154:5, expressing
197:12 181:22, 183:22,
175:15 72:7 184:2, 196:2
evolving exonerated expression
223:12 factors
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exact exonerating 182:14
53:9, 55:5, facts
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133:14, 183:4, 25:3, 28:13,
15:7, 43:13, extends
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factual 202:17, 208:20, 137:5, 138:1, financial
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fail farther 193:6 find
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fair fast 74:9 26:13, 48:19,
3:17, 40:8, 224:1 fellow 55:20, 70:19,
50:6, 51:18, faulty 126:1 71:11, 74:2,
55:8, 78:18, 150:19 felony 93:3, 93:10,
93:8, 94:10, fbi's 153:20 100:7, 122:18,
95:7, 100:14, 2:11, 9:10, felt 143:3, 166:19
108:1, 119:14, 9:20, 21:22, 35:15, 37:21, finding
138:12, 139:2, 29:1, 36:8, 45:13, 56:6, 217:10
156:12, 163:1, 79:11, 124:20, 68:1, 75:16, findings
163:11, 166:1, 145:2 75:17, 91:1, 26:19, 127:18,
166:4 featuring 104:22, 192:18 129:13, 130:3
fairly 190:5 feuds finds
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faith 15:8, 44:10, few fine
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fake 100:16, 117:13, 42:17, 45:1, finest
18:1, 91:10, 119:10, 132:13, 62:9, 97:2, 130:5
169:16 138:18, 148:12, 126:2, 205:19, finish
fall 149:4, 151:6, 211:4 123:1, 223:18
40:6, 223:11 151:14 fewer finished
falling federal 220:2 131:17
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false 221:12 204:4 16:13, 21:7,
15:15, 57:21, feeding fight 164:17, 219:13
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falsehood 37:3, 38:14, 64:8, 87:1, 13:9, 16:6,
206:21 88:6, 98:2, 101:4, 111:9 16:9, 16:17,
falsely 142:19 figured 19:16, 19:20,
13:13 feeling 87:4 20:15, 20:22,
familiar 43:20, 87:21, file 25:9, 42:18,
5:15 125:13, 162:11 39:20 56:1, 56:4,
family feelings files 57:9, 77:14,
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108:18, 115:8, feet filing 119:3, 119:11,
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famous feinstein final 164:3, 164:8,
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166:5, 168:10, 16:3, 24:21, focusing 106:8, 143:20,
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fires 25:8, 25:10, folks 158:1, 168:2,
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firing 53:7, 57:14, follow 179:16, 184:16,
16:7, 16:19, 57:16, 57:21, 63:15, 103:22, 190:5, 190:21,
17:16, 20:18, 58:6, 58:8, 109:14, 111:20 191:9, 195:10,
74:21, 77:10, 64:21, 65:7, follow-up 195:11, 195:18,
80:20, 81:1, 66:15, 68:17, 135:11 195:20, 196:4,
147:13, 154:8, 72:15, 73:4, followed 196:13, 198:15,
223:13 77:19, 78:2, 2:20, 110:15, 199:13, 214:15,
first 78:21, 79:2, 207:8 219:15, 219:21,
2:14, 3:21, 79:17, 79:21, following 221:6, 222:15
13:12, 22:8, 80:7, 80:11, 2:1, 8:1, forth
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29:7, 29:22, 85:17, 87:11, 187:15 forthright
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48:13, 50:17, 99:16, 100:6, 120:20, 121:1, fortunate
61:21, 67:13, 100:19, 104:8, 121:8 219:14
70:13, 81:12, 104:10, 110:7, forced forward
81:16, 82:14, 111:7, 111:8, 14:3, 58:6, 6:16, 8:21,
85:12, 87:15, 111:14, 113:22, 80:1 18:5, 22:20,
87:17, 91:15, 114:1, 117:16, foregoing 42:15, 197:2,
97:5, 106:17, 117:21, 118:6, 226:4 206:5, 207:21,
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165:11, 180:8, 139:21, 141:9, 28:2, 28:11, forward-looking
196:11, 198:12 141:11, 141:16, 28:18, 29:13, 107:9
firsthand 148:12, 160:18, 96:9, 128:7, forwarded
17:19 161:14, 167:11, 139:21, 140:1, 149:14
fit 182:13, 189:14, 140:17, 165:11 found
183:20 189:15, 191:13, foremost 45:7, 71:4,
fits 193:16, 194:9, 78:21, 90:14,
197:6, 198:17, 29:7
26:8 forensic 90:16, 127:20,
five 198:22, 199:1, 140:7, 169:4,
212:7 32:1
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10:10 50:3 148:17, 148:20, 113:20, 152:3,
friday gave 149:10, 149:16, 154:14, 154:18,
42:20, 88:16 104:1, 105:13, 149:21, 150:11, 158:22, 189:11,
friend 106:5, 124:21, 153:8, 154:7, 195:17, 206:11
88:22, 89:5, 125:6, 125:12, 155:18, 156:4, glad
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104:2, 104:7, 193:4 156:20, 158:2, gleaned
104:19, 106:5, gavel 187:5, 195:11, 224:12
134:9, 181:16, 5:12 195:21, 196:14, glory
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214:12 9:11, 13:19, general's 15:12, 18:3,
frustrated 14:5, 15:9, 32:18, 76:13, 22:5, 24:21,
60:10, 122:21 15:15, 20:10, 118:14 32:14, 32:15,
frustrating 24:22, 25:4, gentle 35:6, 41:11,
215:13 25:10, 33:14, 188:6 51:7, 52:11,
frustrations 38:9, 44:12, gentlemen 53:6, 53:7,
2:10 44:14, 44:15, 3:7, 180:7 53:8, 53:16,
full 45:2, 58:7, gentler 53:19, 57:13,
12:12, 73:14, 60:13, 61:14, 187:13 57:16, 57:17,
148:15, 152:8, 62:7, 63:21, george 58:2, 61:15,
152:15, 152:17, 64:4, 65:5, 3:5, 180:4, 64:8, 65:1,
186:1, 190:7, 66:18, 67:16, 207:11 65:20, 72:15,
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fully 70:12, 70:15, 12:21, 49:7, 75:18, 78:17,
24:1 74:10, 76:9, 61:12, 122:21, 85:15, 86:6,
function 76:11, 77:8, 123:16, 124:1, 87:10, 100:2,
37:15 77:16, 78:2, 181:2, 194:20, 117:4, 117:18,
functioning 78:21, 79:18, 195:20, 201:14, 118:6, 119:4,
131:4 80:4, 80:6, 203:3, 208:2, 119:20, 121:16,
fundamental 80:12, 80:13, 208:10, 217:9, 122:4, 138:7,
85:22 80:21, 86:11, 223:2 141:13, 148:12,
fundamentally 86:12, 86:13, gist 154:8, 155:1,
186:14 86:18, 87:7, 146:3 164:20, 171:16,
further 95:10, 100:6, give 171:18, 176:16,
51:7, 101:1, 101:18, 101:22, 57:4, 80:19, 191:16, 192:12,
167:19, 206:16 102:6, 102:11, 104:7, 105:17, 193:18, 194:6,
future 102:17, 102:21, 105:18, 111:17, 194:19, 196:1,
120:13, 120:17, 114:6, 115:14, 197:16, 199:9,
37:5, 143:18, 206:1, 210:20,
197:10 123:6, 123:7, 123:12, 144:3,
124:2, 125:6, 144:21, 145:6, 219:9, 219:20
fuzz 132:14, 132:17, goal
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133:18, 134:15, given 18:5, 133:16
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145:16, 145:18, 27:3, 29:16, 18:14
gang 145:21, 146:12, 40:11, 56:22, goes
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218:14 gonna 128:7, 138:8, gulf
going 94:19 139:8, 139:9, 209:4
3:9, 4:14, gonzalez 141:3, 184:21, gun
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5:10, 5:11, good governments guns
19:7, 30:1, 2:3, 22:18, 28:2, 140:1 12:2, 199:11
38:13, 41:22, 46:4, 49:1, governor gut
43:5, 46:19, 50:1, 53:7, 43:9 87:21, 88:6
47:14, 51:6, 57:16, 59:15, gracious guy
52:3, 52:4, 66:15, 69:22, 6:21 46:12, 48:17,
61:11, 63:15, 70:3, 71:10, granting 53:7, 57:17,
64:1, 64:5, 72:15, 72:17, 43:6 59:15, 66:15,
64:8, 68:15, 73:5, 78:14, graphics 69:6, 70:1,
69:10, 69:16, 85:17, 89:9, 194:11 70:3, 72:15,
73:3, 76:18, 100:21, 100:22, grateful 72:17, 73:5,
77:4, 87:5, 108:19, 114:21, 34:2, 176:22, 85:18, 100:22,
88:7, 96:12, 116:15, 117:19, 177:6, 178:10 117:19
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101:15, 105:22, hacked
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109:14, 112:10, hacking
174:4, 174:5, 34:12, 35:4,
123:22, 124:2, 195:13, 205:4, 14:9, 136:15
39:5, 49:12, half
124:4, 124:14, 211:8, 211:21, 55:16, 56:22,
128:16, 130:10, 214:10, 215:10, 142:11, 180:1,
59:3, 70:19, 190:2, 201:21,
132:7, 135:18, 217:5, 218:10, 71:2, 71:16,
143:21, 144:8, 219:22 213:14
72:3, 85:11, hand
150:21, 151:4, goodbye 98:3, 109:7,
152:17, 154:22, 22:14, 90:1 18:11, 116:19,
128:15, 131:22, 116:20, 153:3,
159:10, 167:5, gored 135:18, 152:2,
168:9, 168:16, 155:14 200:19, 200:20
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210:8, 212:13, 62:11 183:1, 189:18
43:16, 46:8, grudge
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86:1, 92:2, guess
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gone 100:3, 104:15, happen
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86:19, 115:16, hated 179:12 183:9
150:10, 154:9, 48:15 hearings helping
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49:6, 71:21, 79:16, 110:20, 179:22, 190:4, here
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99:9, 124:15, 162:17, 163:10 28:22 18:4, 19:5,
135:7, 140:20, headline heartfelt 19:7, 42:11,
150:15, 155:2, 138:19 34:21 43:5, 47:13,
156:22, 159:1, hear heat 48:13, 53:12,
223:10, 223:14 8:10, 8:11, 115:6, 195:15 55:9, 67:5,
happening 21:13, 27:19, heck 70:11, 71:22,
16:22, 183:18, 181:15 11:20 80:15, 93:17,
200:15, 223:5, heard heightened 103:1, 106:10,
224:13 61:22, 63:5, 157:16 106:21, 107:12,
happens 77:2, 121:3, heinrich 113:19, 116:16,
58:12, 58:20, 121:18, 148:9, 89:12, 89:13, 117:15, 118:21,
224:20 179:21, 180:9, 90:2, 90:7, 125:19, 126:6,
hard 181:7, 182:6, 90:13, 91:1, 126:13, 129:13,
21:4, 45:22, 182:10, 184:15, 91:6, 92:12, 130:13, 130:18,
60:19, 172:6, 198:14, 199:8, 92:15, 93:1, 136:14, 139:11,
213:16, 215:7 216:20, 222:19, 93:3, 93:7, 142:4, 142:18,
harder 223:17 93:10, 93:18, 146:3, 147:16,
124:11 hearing 94:4, 94:10, 148:1, 149:18,
hardware 2:18, 3:9, 94:21, 95:5, 150:18, 153:5,
31:17 5:11, 7:14, 95:15, 95:21, 155:3, 158:11,
harris 11:10, 15:3, 96:20, 97:10, 167:5, 169:20,
143:7, 143:8, 78:16, 106:21, 97:13, 97:19 175:9, 189:5,
143:16, 143:18, 125:21, 126:4, held 190:6, 190:9,
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145:9, 145:15, 130:11, 130:12, helicopter 191:5, 191:7,
146:7, 146:11, 143:11, 172:14, 131:13, 131:14, 191:10, 192:10,
146:16, 146:20, 175:22, 176:2, 131:18, 136:2 194:11, 199:1,
147:1, 147:10, 176:15, 177:12, hell 203:17, 207:1,
147:22, 148:6, 177:17, 178:9, 174:9 209:19, 210:11,
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149:9, 149:13, 191:1, 191:4, 190:18 220:11, 223:21
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151:19, 152:7, 206:3, 208:12, 21:16, 21:17, hereby
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200:14 214:8, 215:2, 205:15, 220:13 hero
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190:20 218:7, 219:8, 193:5 herself
hate 221:10 helpful 156:19, 214:11
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hesitating hold 112:2, 112:5, how's
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hey 101:6, 112:2, 128:13, 129:10, however
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hide holding 131:1, 135:17, huge
85:3, 106:1, 41:16, 191:6 144:3, 144:4, 177:20, 184:5,
144:18 holds 166:21, 181:13, 213:3, 214:4
high 207:17 182:14, 182:15, humans
130:7, 221:19 holt 189:15, 193:14, 174:20
high-class 108:4 193:17, 193:19, hundred
32:2 holy 194:3 48:21
high-confidence 167:8 hoped hundreds
92:3 home 20:6, 54:9, 30:13, 30:15,
highest 10:11, 12:1, 65:11, 148:11, 54:1
187:17 12:19, 19:21 191:16 hung
highlight honed hopefully 109:3
8:13 193:13 64:22, 67:10 hunt
highlights honest hopelessly 17:22
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highly 142:19, 160:6, hopes 129:17, 193:5,
10:7 163:10, 163:12, 117:17 198:10
hijack 163:21, 174:22, hoping I
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hospital i-me
hill honestly 106:16
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host ian's
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hillary 72:12, 72:13, 13:22
hostile idea
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honesty 96:9, 165:2, ideal
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honor hot ideas
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honorable hour identified
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hours ignore
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147:11, 149:5, 187:19 180:1, 190:2
hoover-type house ii
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212:10 hope 65:18, 67:10, ill-advised
hindsight 67:15, 79:1, 210:19
9:2, 38:22, illegal
124:10 42:9, 42:10, 86:7, 87:3,
historical 46:11, 53:5, 94:13, 102:9, 67:22
53:7, 53:22, 110:2, 118:5, illicit
177:14
history 54:15, 55:4, 144:12, 180:5, 140:8
57:15, 57:17, 214:6, 214:8, illness
165:3, 213:11,
213:12, 213:13 59:14, 59:20, 220:9, 222:6, 142:3
hoax 72:1, 88:16, 224:16 imagine
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immediately impression incredible information
19:20, 79:1, 9:4, 41:18, 100:7 6:21, 23:16,
197:15 41:20, 41:21, incredibly 32:1, 32:11,
impact 44:16, 44:19, 133:13, 157:19 35:13, 52:2,
3:20, 56:17, 83:1, 90:14, independence 63:2, 80:22,
167:7 124:21, 125:6, 37:14, 43:12, 83:6, 104:1,
impairing 151:2 152:15, 152:18, 104:2, 104:5,
60:5 impressions 159:22, 185:21, 104:6, 114:7,
impartial 100:18 186:6 122:11, 133:16,
78:18 improper independent 137:7, 148:17,
impeded 16:2, 140:15, 19:16, 22:11, 149:3, 149:15,
114:2, 155:3 140:22, 189:5 163:11, 186:7, 150:4, 154:1,
imperceptible improve 186:10 161:6, 167:22,
151:3 57:2 independently 175:15, 202:4,
implication imprudent 152:5 202:9, 202:19,
185:14 189:7 indicate 215:18, 216:6,
implications inaccurate 39:7, 131:10, 222:7, 224:5,
179:1, 212:12, 125:9, 139:1 150:8 224:12
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importance 67:9, 85:19, 41:9, 184:2 121:7, 151:22,
8:14, 19:15, 150:10, 185:8, indication 216:11, 216:13
133:15 192:18, 210:19 24:8, 139:6 infrastructure
important inaugurated indispensable 96:4, 113:5
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32:6, 36:13, inauguration individual 16:7, 20:20,
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117:7, 117:14, 2:10, 3:21, 63:10, 77:19 162:20
120:6, 129:1, 13:18, 20:10, infecting insider
130:21, 133:13, 21:2, 24:16, 78:10 218:8
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185:18, 196:4, 224:4 inferences insofar
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importantly 113:20, 140:16 14:22, 28:7, 71:20
6:12, 12:15, incorrect 79:10, 165:20 instead
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178:17 increasingly 32:17, 52:10 instinct
impossible 20:1 inform 188:12
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27:5, 37:14 31:11, 76:14, 15:14, 60:9, 197:10, 201:7,
insulated 90:3, 92:16, 194:1 210:6, 222:22
86:1 93:19, 93:22, interrupt investigative
integrity 139:16, 140:4 4:14 33:22, 37:15,
13:5, 35:5, interception intervene 46:3, 48:22,
37:14, 55:19 140:12 17:5, 161:3 63:10, 87:1,
intelligence interest intervention 145:8, 169:2,
1:9, 2:7, 7:4, 7:19, 87:1, 130:2, 182:13 182:16, 189:16
7:7, 7:11, 8:16, 127:9, 156:10, interview investigatively
12:11, 13:6, 157:17, 163:15, 56:9, 108:3, 87:5
17:3, 47:16, 182:16, 184:14, 109:15 investigator
49:21, 51:2, 189:16, 194:19, interviewing 95:13, 129:22,
80:7, 92:4, 195:2, 218:9, 8:15 147:13
92:6, 92:18, 226:10 interviews investigators
93:15, 96:11, interested 151:17, 223:16 100:3, 100:12,
113:5, 113:8, 4:1, 122:14, intimidate 100:18, 116:6
113:10, 113:12, 125:20, 165:22 167:2, 167:3 investigatory
118:10, 138:21, interesting intimidation 186:10, 210:9
139:8, 141:22, 45:8, 103:10, 58:22 invite
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intend 185:6 intrusions 13:13, 77:16,
20:7, 143:4 interfere 23:14, 30:1 81:1, 147:12,
intended 2:12, 23:11, investigate 149:21, 168:6,
135:19 47:4, 183:6, 7:12, 10:5, 169:16, 170:15,
intense 186:20 14:10, 31:16, 173:3, 173:9
194:19 interfered 83:11, 83:21, involvement
intensely 91:19 184:1 24:12, 34:7,
174:7 interference investigated 77:9, 91:9,
intent 5:5, 7:12, 8:5, 110:15, 120:7, 148:14, 168:21,
18:20 10:5, 28:1, 120:8, 158:6, 170:15, 172:16
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intentional interim 70:17, 82:10, 164:17
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interacted intern 84:2, 84:7, 16:22
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interacting interns investigation's 10:7, 13:2,
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88:2, 113:16, interpret investigations 99:17, 120:16,
123:18 60:7, 161:13, 46:18, 81:22, 120:18, 136:14,
interactions 167:6 83:15, 84:11, 162:9, 162:10,
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211:13, 217:13 25:5, 25:11, 185:12, 186:15, kept
issued 65:6 187:2, 187:11, 43:12, 121:22,
146:12 jim 188:3, 188:10, 180:15, 198:16,
issues 3:12, 7:16, 188:15, 189:3, 219:10, 223:11
3:20, 9:1, 176:18, 181:3 189:21 key
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item 42:22, 43:7, 95:1 kicked
33:7 75:6, 75:11, jury 86:19, 101:19,
itself 75:15, 131:16, 192:22 220:22
41:11, 131:2, 134:2, 135:18, justice kicking
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jackson john 63:19, 64:3, kind
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james 167:14, 203:9 88:11, 101:10, 61:9, 61:12,
1:8, 2:6, 4:15,
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48:6, 114:20, 135:1, 139:19,
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181:7, 181:21, 156:15, 156:17,
182:6, 182:12, joining 123:21, 146:12,
2:21, 190:1 157:18, 162:5, 150:18, 150:20,
190:5, 190:21, 163:2, 189:9,
193:15, 201:8, jonathan 191:22, 192:14,
203:12 191:12, 210:18, 196:11, 204:8,
201:10, 201:15, 210:21, 220:19
203:11 journalists 212:15, 216:17
january 214:5 K kinder
9:5, 15:4, jr kamala 187:13
35:8, 39:10, 209:11 143:8 kinds
41:6, 57:1, judgment keen 30:1, 209:13
75:5, 81:16, 8:20, 28:12, 82:22 king
83:9, 89:14, 76:17, 78:15, keep 106:15, 106:16,
94:1, 103:2, 88:21, 92:3, 3:9, 7:9, 107:7, 107:20,
103:3, 135:12, 101:16, 158:12, 10:19, 28:10, 108:2, 108:9,
137:6, 140:5, 166:4 54:11, 63:17, 109:6, 109:13,
223:9 judiciary 64:6, 66:16, 109:19, 110:4,
jared 55:17, 137:9 121:4, 131:1, 110:11, 111:1,
211:9, 211:18 judy 178:2, 198:16 111:7, 111:14,
jeff 2:3, 4:13, 5:9, keeping 111:19, 112:10,
133:3 6:6, 179:14, 82:20, 184:18, 112:21, 113:2,
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114:9, 114:16, 116:3, 116:7, 185:21, 186:22, leaked
121:20, 126:21 116:13, 116:18, 187:16, 189:10, 73:19, 215:22
kislyak 116:22, 117:13, 201:13 leaking
113:17 118:4, 118:9, lawful 167:1
knew 118:13, 118:17, 184:21 leaks
27:3, 37:11, 118:20, 119:14, lawfully 23:16, 73:14,
45:2, 45:5, 120:12, 120:19, 7:7 133:15
73:22, 132:7, 121:11, 122:2, laws learn
132:20, 158:5, 122:14, 123:5, 160:2 106:19, 188:13,
158:8, 199:16 124:21, 125:14, lawyer 188:17, 200:4,
knowing 181:21, 202:5 162:4, 183:13 209:19, 217:4
119:12, 119:17, laptop lawyers learned
126:20, 152:10, 97:12 142:21 19:19, 20:11,
153:20, 183:4, last lay 20:16, 26:20,
189:4 7:17, 11:12, 8:19 27:4, 73:15,
knowledge 30:22, 33:20, laying 100:18, 151:13,
54:3, 79:16, 98:5, 115:6, 88:6 181:17, 181:18,
146:7, 147:5, 137:17, 137:22, lays 189:19, 195:15,
148:16, 149:1, 173:6, 190:2, 7:22 195:18, 200:10,
149:7, 162:19 213:16, 217:16, lead 200:17, 211:4,
knowledgeable 221:11, 223:11, 62:12, 79:13, 217:8
46:12 223:14 150:4, 175:14, least
known lasted 178:6 9:6, 11:15,
72:22, 73:22, 16:10 leader 14:22, 17:2,
212:9 late 21:11, 40:20, 30:14, 56:14,
knows 30:3, 30:19, 162:14 76:5, 97:16,
129:16, 209:1, 78:4 leaders 109:22, 113:10,
209:2 later 17:3, 63:4, 156:14, 168:11,
korea 15:8, 18:21, 63:6, 64:2, 169:5, 170:22,
209:5 86:5, 98:15, 67:1, 73:7, 187:3, 188:22,
kushner 148:15, 156:7, 74:6, 84:5, 204:22, 208:21,
13:21, 45:4, 158:20, 190:6, 84:10, 93:16, 209:16
211:9 207:19, 216:3 161:10 leave
kushner's latter leadership 15:9, 44:13,
211:19 185:1 6:13, 12:8, 44:14, 52:7,
L laughter 35:5, 39:11, 82:22, 87:8,
lack 106:3, 109:8, 39:14, 39:18, 142:13, 189:22,
109:12, 143:17, 40:16, 62:4, 215:10, 220:22
208:20 154:15 leaves
laid 68:13, 73:22,
launch 76:10, 76:16, 215:9
63:19, 89:18 82:20 leaving
language 84:19
law leading 45:2
124:18, 125:1, 16:17, 21:6, led
125:2, 125:3, 2:19, 14:12,
44:5, 48:16, 185:9 5:17, 21:10,
150:20, 180:19 89:10, 89:19,
lankford leads 33:17, 33:21,
89:20, 90:4, 138:9 35:22, 36:15,
114:19, 114:20, 160:1, 168:8, 58:4, 62:18,
115:1, 115:12, leak
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157:20 liberty 9:14, 14:13, 180:1, 204:4,
lee 187:18 17:15, 27:21 204:6, 208:6,
74:16, 214:9 lie lisa 216:2
leeway 36:11, 180:17, 190:19, 191:3, live
219:16 207:4 191:5, 192:11, 194:12, 207:18
left lied 193:21, 194:10, lived
24:8, 73:14, 58:9 194:21, 195:5, 68:7, 215:2
132:15, 136:21, lies 195:13, 197:20, load
150:9, 159:17, 14:6, 21:12, 198:3, 198:5, 33:17
168:14, 170:22, 180:13, 208:17, 198:8, 198:11, lockstep
172:3, 187:4, 208:18 200:6, 200:9, 10:14
194:5, 204:4 life 200:22, 201:3, logan
legal 22:15, 22:16 201:6, 201:20, 100:6, 100:7,
3:2, 4:8, 25:5, lift 202:2, 202:6, 100:10
25:11, 48:15, 9:9, 15:21, 202:22, 203:3, logic
120:2, 120:4, 16:4, 60:6, 203:6, 203:8, 162:7
120:9, 142:20, 70:15, 161:19 204:1, 204:7, logically
153:12, 153:16, lifting 205:12, 205:15, 162:18, 162:19
153:19, 178:3, 47:8, 61:16, 206:8, 206:18, long
185:6, 185:20, 62:3 207:2, 207:5, 19:1, 22:5,
197:16, 197:18 light 207:15, 208:1, 22:6, 22:18,
length 119:1, 183:16, 208:8, 210:4, 115:4, 171:15,
85:11 195:16, 216:19 210:10, 211:12, 219:1, 223:15
less likely 212:4, 212:6, long-term
90:19, 106:20, 165:5, 216:3 212:17, 212:21, 107:2, 107:4,
188:11 limit 213:12, 213:20, 217:18
lester 81:21, 178:3, 213:22, 214:2, longer
108:3 188:1 214:4, 214:19, 77:5
let's limitation 215:20, 216:8, look
35:8, 57:13, 187:21 217:21, 218:10, 18:5, 22:20,
70:11, 80:18, limited 218:13, 218:17, 27:2, 42:14,
123:1, 136:13, 218:21, 219:4, 56:12, 59:13,
52:20, 84:10 219:7, 219:18,
186:15, 192:8, limiting 64:11, 86:21,
203:5 220:20, 221:2, 94:19, 95:15,
83:14 221:8, 221:14,
letter limits 95:19, 103:12,
142:6, 142:13, 221:16, 221:21, 124:10, 132:5,
178:4, 199:5, 222:3, 224:3,
142:14, 142:15 215:18 150:14, 153:22,
letters 224:7, 224:10, 197:17, 201:12,
line 224:18, 224:21
80:20 28:6, 163:19, 209:18, 219:10,
letting listen 223:3, 223:16
163:20, 189:3, 190:1
15:11, 53:6, 202:20, 203:13, looked
53:7, 57:16, listening 123:17
212:16, 213:7, 205:22
118:6 223:17 looking
level literally 3:13, 3:15,
lines 40:9, 40:22
9:15, 127:21, 112:15, 192:7 3:17, 4:18,
142:19, 166:3, little 4:20, 5:16,
lingering 91:11, 102:6,
177:6 45:3 6:15, 39:22,
liar 112:17, 170:3, 43:5, 75:10,
links
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75:11, 90:22, 73:4, 163:8, 100:3, 101:5, 220:3, 222:9,
95:17, 95:18, 163:9, 173:16, 103:5, 121:6, 222:10
99:10, 121:15, 173:17 122:15, 123:5, makes
125:7, 150:18, loyally 141:11, 146:9, 13:9, 46:9,
162:15, 181:1, 72:11 158:16, 167:15, 58:13, 126:17
197:11, 205:8, loyalty 170:13, 172:1, making
205:16, 223:11 4:2, 4:4, 4:7, 172:2, 172:4, 60:13, 60:19,
looks 4:10, 9:4, 15:7, 181:18, 182:1, 85:21, 86:4,
160:5 16:2, 42:5, 182:12, 183:1, 148:3, 161:20,
looming 43:13, 43:21, 187:8, 188:8, 184:17, 188:7,
221:5 56:16, 72:10, 189:13, 190:15, 192:15, 219:1
lordy 75:7, 75:18, 195:19, 195:22, man
59:14 90:17, 94:12, 197:14, 210:15, 55:18, 153:3,
loretta 148:2, 159:19, 210:17, 212:2, 184:4, 191:7,
155:18, 156:9, 160:4, 160:6, 221:4 191:20, 201:16
187:5, 188:4, 163:22, 174:15, main manafort
195:21 174:16, 184:8, 51:20, 139:1 14:3
lost 184:10, 184:15, mainly manager
11:19, 21:10 184:21, 184:22, 182:10 14:3
lot 185:7, 185:16, major manchin
4:2, 11:11, 197:7, 212:3 78:11, 167:7, 125:15, 125:16,
14:10, 27:2, lunchtime 209:20, 216:18, 126:12, 127:7,
28:13, 49:20, 108:12 218:18 127:15, 128:22,
94:14, 96:17, lying majority 129:5, 129:12,
147:17, 154:12, 199:3, 206:20, 35:3 129:20, 130:9,
169:6, 169:12, 208:12 make 131:5, 131:19,
172:9, 174:19, lynch 8:20, 21:1, 132:2, 132:12,
178:19, 191:5, 134:21, 155:18, 21:5, 21:16, 132:21, 133:2,
194:2, 194:19, 156:9, 157:7, 40:7, 46:7, 133:5, 133:7,
195:1, 195:8, 187:5, 188:4, 52:10, 63:21, 133:21, 134:3
195:15, 203:11, 195:11, 195:21, 66:7, 67:21, manifestations
204:11, 210:1, 196:1, 196:14 70:6, 76:16, 119:9, 119:10
211:2, 211:17, M 76:21, 85:12, manner
215:9, 216:7, ma'am 88:8, 96:17, 76:1
217:2, 217:3, 83:7 99:13, 101:6, many
217:21, 218:11, macro 101:17, 101:20, 11:12, 30:11,
223:22, 224:10 179:3 103:1, 106:6, 46:17, 122:10,
lots made 119:21, 120:1, 155:14, 158:19,
20:9, 34:11, 2:16, 16:11, 127:3, 136:6, 162:7, 181:7,
41:9, 122:12, 20:22, 21:4, 143:22, 154:7, 215:6, 215:11,
128:8, 154:21, 23:2, 28:11, 154:9, 154:12, 216:4, 219:11
158:12 36:19, 37:15, 157:18, 160:22, march
love 39:6, 40:7, 167:22, 178:1, 9:8, 15:20,
109:10, 128:13, 43:17, 45:9, 184:18, 187:11, 60:3, 68:16,
176:11 45:11, 64:21, 187:12, 187:15, 84:4, 98:17,
loves 68:1, 87:9, 193:10, 198:10, 98:19, 102:19,
177:3 87:18, 98:5, 203:13, 208:3, 103:3, 103:9,
loyal 212:9, 215:4, 122:20, 135:22,
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149:6, 150:1, 205:13, 213:21, meanwhile 214:7, 220:9
151:10 217:22, 223:19 194:10 members
marco mcauliffe measures 7:5, 11:6,
64:19, 205:20, 68:22 49:19, 52:15 18:18, 19:4,
211:21 mccabe mechanism 28:3, 39:4,
mark 35:1, 68:19, 147:3, 147:9 39:18, 47:9,
5:19, 11:3, 68:20, 69:5, meddlesome 92:5, 148:4,
34:17, 38:3, 69:9, 69:13, 112:8, 112:12 157:10, 175:4,
180:14, 215:7, 69:15, 69:16, meddling 175:15, 176:1,
220:2 69:22 217:14 176:4, 176:10,
martin mccabe's media 176:16, 176:21,
89:13 68:21 20:17, 27:11, 177:18, 184:11,
massive mccain 82:19, 104:3, 188:17, 197:17,
14:2, 30:7, 167:13, 167:14, 104:17, 105:20, 214:6, 216:1,
31:7 168:12, 168:15, 106:5, 216:19 217:13
material 168:20, 169:5, meet memo
82:6, 83:20 170:5, 170:9, 7:3, 142:7, 38:11, 41:16,
materials 170:12, 171:4, 192:20, 214:20 45:8, 45:10,
148:21 171:11, 172:1, meeting 45:12, 87:16,
matter 172:4, 173:2, 6:4, 15:8, 87:18, 89:1,
5:3, 33:16, 173:8, 173:21, 16:15, 32:18, 104:14, 197:6,
36:3, 36:7, 174:6, 174:21, 35:8, 35:22, 202:10, 202:16
37:17, 38:11, 175:10, 175:20, 36:12, 36:22, memorandum
44:15, 53:2, 203:9, 203:15, 37:21, 38:2, 146:12, 147:2
54:8, 70:18, 205:2, 205:6, 38:9, 39:10, memorialization
88:1, 119:20, 224:8, 224:9 44:11, 44:12, 105:15
120:4, 123:10, mccain's 45:13, 64:20, memorializing
124:7, 124:9, 203:13, 204:11 65:3, 81:17, 87:16
124:16, 136:4, mean 85:19, 87:15, memory
148:12, 152:4, 27:1, 41:19, 87:18, 89:15, 150:20, 174:13,
153:8, 155:21, 54:14, 61:8, 100:17, 117:14, 174:17
156:2, 157:20, 73:14, 110:14, 132:13, 133:9, memos
182:16, 184:8, 112:20, 126:22, 133:19, 151:7, 5:6, 37:4,
185:20, 186:3, 129:15, 154:9, 151:9, 151:14, 38:22, 39:1,
186:4, 186:18, 162:13, 163:13, 156:3, 180:18, 88:10, 96:20,
187:7, 189:15, 171:11, 181:8, 192:19, 195:10, 105:3, 105:5,
217:10 184:16, 191:17, 196:12, 207:4 114:9, 114:11,
matters 210:12 meetings 116:8, 116:9,
36:8, 74:2, meaning 2:18, 35:7, 116:10, 116:14,
77:5, 123:22, 137:9 93:9, 115:17, 134:10, 134:14,
145:8, 146:4, means 131:6, 133:5, 134:21, 149:15,
156:6, 177:19 68:22, 137:6, 135:5, 144:9, 181:16, 200:19,
maybe 144:20 211:14 201:9, 201:17
5:4, 48:21, meant member men
51:21, 54:1, 33:2, 60:11, 17:19, 19:4, 220:5
56:12, 59:3, 60:16, 60:17, 118:4, 134:16, mention
59:18, 59:21, 71:14, 101:9, 134:22, 137:5, 169:8, 180:8,
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mentioned 90:19, 100:13, 21:22, 22:1, 74:11, 83:15,
12:14, 12:18, 105:5, 109:21, 22:4, 22:5, 101:2, 103:13,
52:9, 87:14, 121:6, 132:4, 29:1, 79:12, 112:17, 126:17,
122:3, 131:5, 132:9, 132:10, 113:7 130:11, 135:14,
132:14, 135:21, 167:9, 180:17, missouri 141:6, 141:19,
147:22, 148:10, 194:7, 198:7, 202:9 172:9, 172:15,
150:9, 155:20, 215:12, 217:3 mistake 177:2, 178:16,
183:19, 183:22, mike 99:11 180:21, 181:10,
184:1, 184:4, 25:8, 26:14, misunderstood 188:13, 196:20,
184:8, 185:15, 64:21, 72:15, 84:18 210:16, 219:16,
186:9, 193:12 73:4, 88:3 mobile 220:9, 223:16
mentioning mind 205:17 morning
85:2 8:2, 34:5, model 2:3, 3:14,
message 49:8, 59:9, 131:3 4:18, 19:7,
22:7, 133:14, 59:10, 66:5, modify 133:18, 162:8,
158:11, 207:12, 66:9, 66:13, 83:18 165:13, 165:21
207:19 66:14 moment most
messing minds 40:11, 40:13, 8:16, 12:3,
71:5 169:5 56:15, 66:12, 27:20, 52:20,
messy mine 111:4, 119:2, 99:13, 126:1,
128:2 62:20, 88:22, 132:20, 144:5, 137:10, 144:4,
met 89:5, 89:9 150:14, 189:19, 154:22, 165:2,
89:17, 158:1 minister 191:1, 193:2, 205:7, 209:4,
methods 73:2, 165:11 196:5, 201:19, 216:3, 219:12,
128:9 minute 218:18 221:19, 222:7
michael 43:1, 159:17, moments mostly
78:21, 79:17, 187:3, 188:11 215:6, 215:7 219:13
80:11, 80:14, minutes monday mother
85:10, 85:17, 18:20, 23:5, 88:18 94:17
87:11, 110:7, 143:11, 176:5, money mouth
117:16, 117:21, 176:10, 179:22, 68:22, 69:6 195:19
118:6, 119:7, 218:1, 218:16, monies move
191:13, 198:17, 219:13 139:21 8:21, 18:5,
216:9 misleading montalvo 18:20, 41:6,
middle 41:1, 99:21, 1:22, 226:3, 44:8, 64:6,
88:17, 167:8, 100:12 226:14 116:22, 210:14,
213:16 misprision month 222:19
might 153:19 2:9, 141:3, moved
6:20, 11:2, miss 221:11, 223:14 210:22, 211:3
14:17, 19:2, 22:4, 22:16 months movement
25:2, 29:6, missed 123:16, 142:11, 196:4
31:9, 31:16, 190:11 151:13, 158:20 moving
36:11, 37:4, missiles more 197:2, 210:9,
37:11, 37:22, 12:2 5:3, 6:11, 210:13, 224:1
41:2, 75:12, missing 12:15, 21:8, much
78:17, 83:12, 51:3 30:5, 30:14, 8:2, 16:15,
84:1, 88:19, mission 48:9, 58:2, 22:18, 42:9,
88:20, 89:3, 7:9, 7:10, 61:2, 73:15, 48:7, 48:15,

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55:14, 60:11, name 10:2, 10:17, news
77:5, 82:14, 181:18 15:7, 19:2, 18:1, 91:10,
90:10, 107:9, named 37:5, 37:12, 122:3, 122:6,
125:19, 126:17, 217:6 38:14, 43:13, 169:17, 190:8
128:17, 160:10, names 44:20, 45:19, newshour
167:12, 188:13, 122:4, 203:11 49:17, 102:15, 1:7, 2:5,
188:17, 190:1, narrative 102:16, 117:8, 190:4, 190:7,
191:1, 195:16, 83:12, 84:2, 128:10, 140:21, 190:13, 194:13,
204:2, 210:10, 183:20, 188:21, 177:11, 211:17 224:22
217:13, 223:2 188:22, 189:2, needed newshours
mueller 210:6, 210:13, 32:12, 36:1, 194:14
34:11, 79:13, 210:15, 211:3 37:3, 37:21, newspapers
101:13, 129:21, narrower 45:6, 82:21, 73:15
130:4, 134:9, 60:15, 82:11 88:21, 129:2, next
152:8, 155:9, nation 204:17, 206:15 42:20, 72:17,
157:1, 166:18, 8:21, 47:11, needing 72:22, 98:13,
182:17, 191:20, 115:4, 179:6 96:22 108:18, 110:8,
220:22, 221:7, national needs 112:13, 112:22,
222:8 3:21, 13:20, 48:9, 65:20, 133:18, 142:5
mueller's 14:5, 38:10, 152:12 night
110:21, 116:6, 62:11, 62:12, nefarious 88:18, 108:13,
134:2, 155:4, 74:14, 79:18, 138:15 109:5, 109:11,
183:1, 189:18, 118:10, 140:16 negative 167:8, 213:16
223:1 nature 138:9 nine
multiple 5:2, 26:16, neither 37:8, 96:21,
20:3, 115:1, 28:10, 36:10, 226:8 131:7, 135:4
117:21, 120:21, 36:12, 40:11, nelson ninth
157:14, 159:3, 41:1, 58:9, 106:18 177:12
200:20, 216:18 88:1, 88:3, never nixon
murmured 154:18, 166:10, 13:4, 36:14, 208:16, 208:19
214:13 166:11, 180:18, 59:20, 61:4, nobody
music 183:4, 206:12 62:21, 69:21, 128:3, 200:18
190:17 nbc 73:18, 85:13, nobody's
must 108:4 85:14, 93:1, 100:9
10:19, 12:12, near 94:11, 110:3, nod
12:15, 17:17 168:10, 206:2, 119:4, 129:8, 208:6
mutually 212:14 132:15, 133:2, nodding
34:3 near-governmental 148:9, 150:10, 213:16
my's 30:9 196:8 non-truthful
177:15 nearly new 38:1
myself 37:9, 115:21, 18:2, 50:14, none
37:13, 59:20, 213:6 51:18, 86:12, 23:12
75:17, 89:2, necessarily 116:9, 129:22, nongovernmental
94:18 193:5, 199:4 138:18, 188:2, 30:8
N necessary 196:18, 198:13, nonprofits
nailed 7:8, 12:16, 199:12, 210:5, 30:9
52:22 167:19 211:4, 216:21, nonsense
need 223:15 33:9, 52:9,
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52:11, 52:12 nsa obvious office
nope 17:6, 118:17 49:14, 96:14, 15:10, 16:15,
118:8 number 166:15 20:4, 23:7,
norm 17:7, 35:6, obviously 58:20, 64:21,
222:21, 222:22 48:15, 48:20, 3:16, 11:11, 80:9, 86:8,
normal 49:16, 49:17, 35:5, 41:2, 86:14, 95:9,
28:2, 28:6 62:8, 62:9, 49:18, 91:12, 96:7, 104:12,
norms 70:10, 73:4, 110:17, 110:20, 112:4, 118:14,
120:6, 156:17, 73:6, 74:11, 115:14, 117:3, 121:14, 132:13,
185:9 93:8, 178:15, 117:15, 154:13, 165:10, 188:2,
north 183:1, 198:3, 159:9, 169:14, 212:16
5:18, 192:4, 198:4, 201:14, 172:9, 173:4, officer
209:5 212:3, 212:5, 183:10, 187:13, 113:12, 185:22,
notable 212:8 191:6, 198:17, 186:22, 189:11
6:2 numerous 218:11 officers
notably 13:16, 157:7 occasion 113:8, 121:14,
214:14 nut 55:17, 72:14 139:8
notch 16:18, 165:12 occasionally offices
107:5 O 13:3 220:10
note oath occasions official
18:18 18:10, 18:17 15:20, 70:11, 16:18, 28:21,
noted obama 97:3, 103:4, 159:20, 218:4
192:6 3:1, 38:7, 157:15, 159:3, officials
notepad 38:17, 89:18, 183:2 24:1, 35:9,
218:5 93:9, 134:14, occur 63:7, 139:8,
notes 134:22, 180:6, 165:5, 190:12 139:18, 139:19,
115:13, 115:19, 207:10, 207:12 occurred 144:10, 144:12,
116:4, 117:3, obey 129:8, 167:7 144:17, 144:19,
180:15, 204:16 54:18 occurring 145:11, 145:12,
nothing objection 119:7 147:7, 160:19,
18:13, 21:18, 220:19 odd 179:2, 197:18,
71:4, 72:2, obligation 14:8, 42:7, 215:16
112:19, 140:8, 154:5 90:9, 93:4, often
155:2, 158:17, observation 93:10 27:20, 52:3,
186:5, 189:8 107:20 odor 74:11, 74:13,
notice observations 75:1 128:6, 130:12,
147:2 offense 131:12, 214:9
212:21 oh
noticed obstruct 25:1, 25:22,
213:14 54:8 46:20, 47:21,
25:7, 25:18, 105:11, 107:4,
notified 182:22, 189:9 offenses
31:8 54:3 132:19, 152:16,
obstructed 173:2, 214:20,
notify 52:22 offer
31:5 19:8, 152:2 217:17
obstruction okay
notion 5:1, 54:7, offered
41:19, 186:8, 17:7, 20:21, 29:20, 50:12,
133:22, 185:10, 51:8, 51:16,
186:17, 189:8 189:20, 191:11, 174:15
nowhere offering 55:6, 57:13,
210:18, 210:20 62:13, 66:1,
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66:11, 67:7, 180:22, 185:17, 218:16, 218:19 opportunity
67:18, 68:12, 187:2, 191:19, open 7:18, 17:10,
70:12, 72:1, 195:18, 197:14, 4:19, 6:16, 17:11, 59:21,
76:4, 81:3, 198:2, 198:15, 25:11, 27:16, 115:7, 115:18,
87:14, 106:14, 198:17, 199:14, 29:19, 33:4, 168:6, 176:13,
119:14, 120:12, 200:7, 201:6, 33:13, 39:20, 176:19
121:11, 122:2, 203:6, 203:8, 51:5, 73:16, opposed
124:13, 146:11, 203:14, 203:22, 76:20, 78:8, 106:9
151:19, 157:13, 205:7, 206:6, 95:7, 96:13, opposition
203:15, 224:8 207:10, 212:3, 110:18, 111:12, 69:5
oklahoma 213:9, 213:13, 112:20, 124:17, oral
181:21 213:14, 214:7, 125:10, 125:12, 23:1
old 215:6, 216:9, 126:15, 136:20, orally
44:22 217:5, 217:15, 138:11, 140:13, 116:10
once 220:14 141:2, 141:9, orbit
34:15, 89:19, one-off 141:18, 144:15, 9:14
89:22, 179:11, 107:1, 217:16 171:1, 188:22, order
180:3 one-on-one 215:16, 215:17 5:13, 6:5, 6:7,
one 9:5, 38:9, opened 19:14, 53:18,
10:9, 13:14, 89:15, 90:8, 29:14, 84:20, 53:21, 65:12,
29:6, 33:7, 192:19, 192:20, 124:16, 186:2 83:21, 120:16,
33:13, 33:17, 206:12, 207:10, opening 176:6, 181:4,
34:12, 38:9, 207:11 2:17, 180:10 181:6, 181:12,
39:17, 42:12, one-on-ones operating 186:2, 193:20,
47:14, 48:15, 89:18 7:7 194:1, 194:5
49:17, 55:22, ones operation org
60:2, 60:3, 37:9 85:22 190:13
61:19, 68:6, ongoing operational organization
71:13, 72:14, 8:14, 15:18, 136:4 21:9, 21:17,
73:4, 75:5, 31:9, 46:18, operations 22:5, 34:3, 88:8
75:8, 84:21, 47:1, 47:16, 113:10 organization's
90:4, 97:5, 119:18, 120:1, operative 21:20
97:9, 103:1, 126:21, 168:12, 144:4 organizations
103:9, 103:19, 171:12, 172:3 operatives 177:8
106:19, 109:6, online 12:2 originally
109:13, 109:16, 12:5, 190:10 opinion 88:19
110:1, 112:8, only 9:13, 12:10, other
130:4, 130:17, 8:20, 33:12, 98:7, 142:20, 7:5, 12:13,
131:12, 137:4, 33:21, 37:20, 157:3 20:18, 31:16,
139:10, 148:6, 38:7, 49:2, opinions 33:3, 33:6,
148:8, 149:8, 59:7, 64:22, 17:9 33:12, 46:22,
154:14, 159:22, 71:20, 73:18, opponent 47:4, 47:9,
162:9, 162:14, 91:12, 94:5, 14:10 54:8, 59:18,
165:2, 168:18, 109:21, 137:7, opportunist 60:14, 64:2,
171:14, 172:6, 187:3, 190:7, 107:22 71:15, 71:19,
172:10, 173:10, 199:15, 199:21, opportunities 79:2, 84:22,
173:11, 178:13, 205:8, 211:9, 17:8, 115:2, 93:14, 93:15,
178:16, 180:11, 214:7, 214:13, 143:15, 143:19 93:22, 103:1,

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112:16, 114:8, 105:22, 106:6, 132:13, 165:10 package
117:8, 117:22, 106:13, 109:5, over 194:11
128:3, 128:5, 114:1, 121:14, 6:15, 14:4, page
128:8, 128:20, 122:18, 122:21, 14:6, 26:12, 29:3, 53:1,
134:15, 134:22, 127:3, 134:2, 27:9, 41:17, 70:12
136:11, 139:8, 141:3, 161:3, 74:19, 75:8, pages
139:20, 144:20, 165:1, 169:12, 82:17, 90:6, 1:21, 48:12
145:4, 148:3, 169:19, 172:14, 95:20, 98:4, pain
156:6, 160:18, 178:21, 180:19, 100:8, 108:14,
169:20, 172:7, 192:16, 193:1, 27:2
108:19, 116:5, painful
173:11, 181:20, 196:6, 196:17, 116:20, 125:22,
187:3, 190:8, 197:3, 198:12, 130:8, 151:11, 128:6, 132:6,
197:18, 198:2, 199:7, 200:11, 152:11, 159:6, 157:19
199:7, 211:6, 202:13, 202:14, 169:22, 174:20, panel
214:13, 215:16, 202:16, 202:19, 180:1, 192:12, 192:4, 215:8,
220:1 204:4, 205:21, 193:8, 200:20, 216:1
others 206:11, 206:19, 201:11, 209:12, papers
38:19, 58:11, 209:1, 210:1, 211:13, 221:5 220:7
90:11, 97:4, 212:20, 215:19, overall paragraph
99:22, 161:21, 216:6, 217:22, 48:1, 78:12, 53:1
178:7, 205:19 222:17, 222:21, 114:2, 211:3 parallel
otherwise 223:7, 223:8, overarching 34:8, 34:14
214:22, 226:10 224:5, 224:15 55:22 parameters
ought outcome overlay 145:20, 146:14
63:18 17:14, 54:9, 87:21 paraphrasing
ourselves 170:20, 226:10 overshadowing 71:22
12:9, 55:20 outed 222:2 parents
out 201:21 oversight 49:12
7:1, 7:22, outlined 7:10, 34:6, parish
8:19, 12:12, 57:15 216:13 208:3
20:7, 28:2, outlines overwhelming parse
29:4, 30:11, 2:18, 8:9 91:22 195:4
32:15, 34:6, outlining owed part
34:13, 38:1, 146:13 43:21 7:9, 7:14, 9:6,
44:2, 44:9, outset own 11:9, 22:4,
50:17, 51:1, 13:1, 17:18 8:20, 13:8, 22:15, 26:2,
51:11, 54:4, outside 69:14, 76:13, 31:7, 32:7,
60:21, 63:19, 19:15, 88:10, 96:10, 104:10, 48:13, 71:13,
64:8, 70:8, 213:7 104:16, 107:18, 78:4, 79:11,
71:3, 71:11, outstanding 165:8, 186:20, 87:10, 107:2,
72:2, 72:3, 9:1 189:10, 192:15, 107:12, 111:15,
77:5, 78:21, outward 220:7, 220:10, 126:11, 133:20,
86:19, 87:1, 119:9 220:14, 220:16 141:21, 152:17,
87:4, 88:21, oval ox 155:10, 162:6,
89:18, 95:9, 15:10, 16:15, 155:14 162:20, 166:16,
95:11, 101:4, 58:20, 64:20, oxygen 169:10, 190:11,
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221:10 41:19, 75:21, 198:2, 204:6, 67:2, 73:10,
particular 75:22 204:11, 205:21, 73:20, 82:9,
22:6, 37:17, paul 206:19, 212:13, 83:3, 83:13,
43:22, 77:9, 200:3 213:3, 213:6, 84:2, 84:6,
92:11, 191:14, pause 213:8, 217:22 84:7, 98:17,
213:15, 222:5 6:8, 150:14, perceive 98:21, 110:13,
particularly 179:13, 190:17 70:1, 119:20 115:8, 116:4,
46:12, 74:20, pay perceived 132:8, 176:20
96:6, 165:22, 45:6 65:10, 65:12, perspective
169:7, 169:13, paying 66:17, 70:5, 97:17, 130:16
174:10 205:18 115:16 pertaining
parties pbs percent 146:17
8:16, 20:18, 1:7, 2:5, 29:17 phishing
35:21, 36:21, 190:3, 190:9, performing 31:7
114:12, 130:20, 190:13, 194:12, 131:9 phone
191:6, 217:14, 218:4, 224:21 perhaps 9:8, 47:8,
226:9 peeking 155:16, 156:6, 60:1, 61:12,
partisan 44:2 161:21, 208:8 68:17, 84:4,
10:7 pence period 97:4, 102:2,
partisanship 79:15 18:19, 80:14, 102:4, 102:11,
10:20, 192:5 people 103:20, 222:13 131:7, 135:5,
partnership 4:2, 7:6, 8:10, perjury 135:6, 135:8,
178:6 8:20, 9:3, 10:2, 199:2 135:20, 173:15,
parts 20:9, 21:14, perlo 197:14, 205:11
91:12, 135:16 21:19, 22:1, 203:12 photographers
party 22:2, 22:9, person 4:17, 176:6,
31:18, 32:1, 23:3, 26:20, 36:4, 36:10, 176:7
32:12, 92:11, 26:22, 27:20, 37:18, 41:3, physically
105:19, 107:16 32:10, 41:9, 43:22, 54:6, 197:19
party's 43:9, 45:16, 74:12, 79:12, pick
10:9 49:16, 49:20, 88:1, 88:2, 202:15
pass 50:1, 51:17, 88:4, 130:7, picked
16:8 51:22, 52:2, 131:7, 138:16, 45:4
passed 54:2, 54:4, 138:17, 152:3, picking
133:14, 133:17 58:20, 59:18, 162:17, 162:18, 52:1
passing 62:21, 66:21, 192:11, 210:12 picture
206:3 69:19, 71:15, person's 42:12, 209:19
passionate 72:3, 73:7, 40:4 piece
158:7 77:2, 78:12, personal 5:22, 79:14,
past 78:15, 79:5, 27:2, 104:16, 218:16
36:22, 117:13, 94:19, 107:8, 110:13, 154:17, pieces
126:20, 196:9, 120:3, 121:7, 170:8, 185:1, 216:18, 224:1
204:21, 222:10 122:22, 127:1, 185:6, 185:16, pitting
path 128:10, 130:5, 202:11, 202:12, 197:8
138:7, 167:4 130:19, 139:7, 202:18, 207:17 pivotal
patron 154:20, 158:12, personally 178:9
44:3 169:12, 177:22, 35:13, 36:10, place
patronage 178:22, 194:5, 39:13, 60:22, 75:8, 91:16,
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123:17, 124:1, 198:12, 199:3, possibility prepare
147:3, 168:10, 199:10, 200:7, 41:16, 114:4 218:7, 220:6
169:18, 195:14, 200:11, 200:14, possible prepared
215:10 202:4, 203:22, 2:11, 8:5, 3:16, 39:12,
plain 205:1, 206:6, 9:12, 26:1, 165:6, 186:9
12:1, 21:12, 208:5, 211:22, 26:4, 27:21, preparing
180:13 213:13, 217:16, 70:7, 128:17, 115:19, 174:15
plane 221:4 149:18, 157:4, presence
158:2, 195:10, pointed 183:16, 185:14, 66:5, 66:8,
195:21 103:18, 126:13, 190:15, 223:1 219:22
play 165:1 possibly present
207:22 pointing 90:11, 92:8 26:18, 38:16,
played 192:15 post 187:17
57:8, 169:14, points 140:6 preserve
221:10 10:21, 199:12, potential 45:19
playing 219:6 9:13, 40:1, presidency
59:8, 59:10 police 69:5, 117:1, 151:12, 210:1
please 48:22 139:22, 145:10, president's
18:11, 18:16, policing 162:15, 185:9, 2:10, 4:11,
58:2, 73:6, 90:5 187:18, 192:14, 8:12, 9:4,
176:7, 190:6, policy 199:6 13:19, 52:16,
194:13 74:19 potentially 58:4, 62:1,
pleased political 68:1, 70:4, 64:12, 72:21,
44:3, 90:16, 10:21, 43:21, 116:21, 175:5, 76:11, 77:19,
130:18 86:2, 125:8, 178:18, 199:3, 87:2, 118:22,
pleasure 130:1, 152:4, 208:11, 212:20, 129:9, 133:14,
19:12 155:14, 159:21, 222:5 151:15, 163:15,
pledge 166:12, 186:3, power 164:10, 164:13,
16:2, 56:16, 187:17, 187:20, 13:8, 28:18, 167:6, 182:14,
148:2, 160:5, 212:12 29:13, 75:2, 183:5, 197:2,
212:3 politics 79:4 197:8
pledged 10:19, 19:15, practical president-elect
197:7 192:5 162:10 29:17, 35:10,
point pompeo practice 36:6, 36:9,
8:9, 25:10, 161:3 3:3, 3:6, 107:4 39:12, 40:4
28:5, 28:14, poorly practices presidential
33:14, 37:22, 21:10 5:6 12:4, 24:5,
42:8, 43:18, portion pray 75:2, 173:4,
45:13, 51:1, 179:15 115:8 186:8
58:8, 64:3, portraying predication presidents
69:4, 99:1, 212:19 172:20 35:21, 36:21,
101:12, 101:14, posed preemptive 87:19, 180:4,
103:1, 103:5, 30:22 191:18 208:15
105:21, 123:14, position preemptively press
144:6, 159:9, 44:6, 65:13 192:15 7:17, 17:8,
180:11, 180:22, positions prep 25:1, 39:4,
187:16, 196:7, 79:4 218:12 52:6, 56:9,
197:13, 197:14, possession preparation 72:17, 73:1,
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110:4, 124:13, 89:15, 104:22, professional 92:19
157:21, 160:16, 105:5, 135:4, 47:18 protecting
167:1, 201:4, 135:11, 143:9, professionalism 74:20
201:17, 215:22 206:12 178:10 proud
pressure privately professor 17:20
16:20, 20:19, 15:10, 20:17 89:10, 181:17, proven
28:19, 56:6, pro 201:13 208:17, 210:21
86:2, 161:1, 69:18 profile provide
164:16, 165:14 probably 221:19 7:11, 31:19,
pretty 11:13, 29:6, program 178:2
46:12, 69:11, 33:12, 38:19, 141:22, 190:15 provided
74:3, 100:7, 40:21, 48:17, prohibits 23:2, 98:3,
119:1, 140:11, 54:1, 90:6, 153:19 226:7
209:11 94:17, 95:17, projecting provides
prevent 136:8, 165:6, 150:19 7:20, 8:7
12:21, 96:22, 192:22, 201:13, promised prudence
107:11 205:17, 211:19, 174:16 186:3
prevents 213:13, 215:2, prompt public
184:9 215:6, 215:10, 89:3 2:16, 9:17,
previous 216:3, 219:9, promptly 12:8, 23:3,
69:8, 87:19, 223:5 176:2, 176:4 27:7, 33:9,
100:17, 123:7, probative properly 35:2, 60:12,
153:2 114:13 22:14 67:21, 88:22,
previously probe property 104:2, 127:1,
100:16 5:2 183:12 130:5, 146:8,
priest problem proposition 151:16, 151:17,
112:9, 112:12 50:2, 100:12, 107:2, 154:7 159:20, 160:22,
primary 163:5, 199:16 pros 161:9, 161:20,
26:15, 63:9, problematic 34:12 177:12, 179:15,
68:5, 96:14, 76:22, 199:20 prosecuted 196:1, 196:12,
221:12, 221:15 problems 100:9 212:9, 213:5,
prime 70:21, 185:17 prosecuting 215:13, 223:4
73:1 procedure 144:1 publicly
principal 186:4 prosecutor 2:15, 9:20,
106:19 proceeding 33:21, 48:20, 14:11, 20:21,
principle 14:20 177:2, 196:16 26:18, 32:15,
184:9 proceedings prosecutorial 121:1, 124:3,
principled 226:5, 226:6 204:9 159:6, 163:2,
68:11 proceeds prosecutors 177:19
prior 162:20 143:21 published
39:9, 79:17, process prospect 138:19, 139:6
89:14 12:4, 12:8, 64:14 pull-aside
priorities 13:11, 34:1, prospects 45:9
60:14 117:4, 151:22, 75:6 pulled
private 210:9 protect 174:18
3:2, 3:6, processes 12:16, 18:1, punishment
14:18, 19:21, 147:3 22:2, 27:5, 191:22
32:1, 32:12, produced 33:1, 88:7, purportedly
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purpose 110:12, 111:16, quickly r-ok
91:20 116:15, 116:18, 70:18, 180:8, 114:20
pursuant 117:2, 120:20, 188:11, 220:1 r-tx
160:1 131:22, 132:12, quite 152:21
pursue 136:19, 137:1, 6:1, 18:2, race
9:22, 152:9, 144:14, 147:16, 74:13, 90:15, 89:20, 90:5
158:18, 160:1, 153:11, 153:17, 121:6, 126:2, raids
167:20, 189:17, 153:21, 175:17, 126:3, 126:12, 12:6
204:17 182:21, 184:14, 131:12, 170:17, raise
pursued 200:3, 207:14, 183:9 17:16, 18:11,
22:1, 90:19, 218:6, 218:10, quote 86:22
140:3, 192:7 220:4 9:6, 15:7, raised
pursuing question's 15:11, 15:21, 64:14, 75:6,
133:15 4:21 16:18, 24:21, 94:17
push questioned 35:12, 41:7, rampant
4:22, 210:6 13:3 41:12, 41:14, 8:19
pushed questioning 53:4, 57:19, ranking
209:11 5:5, 192:8, 58:1, 60:3, 19:4, 137:5
put 192:16, 202:21, 60:5, 60:6, rapid
8:22, 12:20, 203:14 70:15, 75:10, 115:15, 219:13
38:1, 49:5, questions 83:11, 110:7, rare
53:1, 53:13, 5:21, 6:20, 112:10, 169:9, 222:18
74:22, 115:20, 10:19, 17:17, 172:5, 172:10, rarely
202:16, 212:11, 19:10, 22:21, 173:16, 173:18, 205:18, 206:19
212:14, 216:7 47:7, 61:3, 180:17, 197:5 rather
putin 75:3, 98:4, quote-unquote 105:18, 167:1,
107:21 112:16, 112:22, 68:19 187:7, 200:4
putting 125:22, 126:14, quotes rd
36:1, 164:16, 127:16, 127:20, 49:5, 53:1, 140:5
202:19 130:10, 136:11, 53:4, 53:13 rdr
puzzled 143:12, 144:7, quoting 1:22, 226:14
85:16 145:17, 153:6, 43:11, 137:20 re-opened
Q 169:6, 169:12, R
178:15, 178:20, 196:10
queasy r-ar reach
179:1, 180:13, 134:6
125:13, 187:9 194:14, 194:17, 28:2, 161:3,
question 195:1, 198:12,
r-az 167:18, 172:7
5:1, 13:4, 203:4, 203:10, 167:14 reached
27:8, 27:16, 204:10, 204:21, r-fl 168:17, 171:4,
29:18, 33:20, 208:2, 208:10, 64:19 171:6, 175:10,
38:19, 55:22, 215:9, 215:11, r-id 200:11
58:19, 59:3, 216:7, 216:9, 48:6 reaching
74:9, 77:12, 216:12, 216:13, r-me 175:12
77:13, 77:17, 218:3, 219:3, 81:6 reacted
86:5, 103:15, 219:11, 219:12, r-mo 57:6
103:18, 103:19, 219:21, 220:2, 97:21 reacting
105:8, 106:22, 220:13, 220:15 r-nc 83:19
109:13, 110:8, quick 6:9 reaction
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82:7, 190:8, reason recommending 161:12, 161:18,
214:17, 224:15 13:4, 19:17, 77:3 162:6, 163:6,
reactions 19:20, 21:6, reconcile 164:2, 164:7,
197:2 43:19, 46:4, 172:6 164:19, 164:22,
read 54:11, 97:13, reconvene 166:20, 167:12
7:19, 29:15, 109:22, 128:1, 6:18, 176:1 reemphasized
39:2, 48:13, 138:3, 151:2, record 70:21
48:14, 48:22, 153:9, 154:1, 7:18, 7:19, refer
56:9, 56:21, 164:11, 171:5, 19:6, 36:1, 187:6
72:19, 88:2, 196:15 37:2, 37:4, reference
122:8, 160:6, reasonable 37:12, 48:13, 58:13, 115:19
188:4, 208:19 77:13, 147:16, 74:22, 95:19, referenced
reading 159:8 95:20, 134:13, 35:7
41:15, 48:17, reasons 134:20, 135:4, referring
50:16, 82:8, 2:9, 21:2, 135:7, 197:17, 118:7
103:2 29:5, 76:19, 226:5 reflected
ready 89:2, 130:18 recorded 165:2
3:8 recall 72:5, 104:21, reflection
reaffirm 13:11, 51:14, 105:4, 105:16, 86:6
35:3 76:17, 80:16, 226:5 refreshing
reagan 92:21, 97:5, recording 92:9
3:5, 180:4 135:2, 159:15 2:2, 225:2, refusals
real receipt 226:7 16:5
120:20, 121:8, 139:21 recordings refuse
121:21, 150:16, received 115:22, 129:6, 162:1
165:12, 179:5, 60:2, 68:21, 129:14 refused
216:8, 216:12 151:9 records 123:14, 126:16,
realize receives 37:6, 88:8, 142:8, 157:8,
11:10, 147:19, 29:10 106:11, 145:4 161:21, 164:9
179:5 recent recruit refusing
really 52:20 28:7 57:4
5:22, 36:12, recertified recruitment regard
42:14, 45:18, 142:1 28:15 76:15, 77:9,
47:10, 48:9, recognize recusal 87:10, 108:2,
49:1, 52:3, 23:4, 128:11 77:8, 145:21, 110:12, 114:9,
55:19, 88:5, recognized 146:8, 146:14, 202:10
95:8, 101:9, 18:19, 19:1 147:8, 149:11, regarding
107:14, 132:11, recollection 149:16, 149:22, 52:15, 52:20
187:19, 195:3, 104:21, 105:16, 150:6 regardless
195:14, 196:8, 150:17, 151:3, recuse 17:14
199:12, 201:22, 151:5 64:1, 76:19, regret
204:20, 205:22, recommend 77:3 55:19
210:5, 211:22, 130:15 recused reinforces
212:11, 212:14, recommendation 76:12, 146:4, 186:12
215:18, 219:7, 142:13 146:18, 146:20, reiterate
222:3, 225:1 recommendations 147:11, 148:14, 135:13
reappears 9:21, 130:3 149:5, 156:19 rejection
119:4 recommended reed 135:13
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relate 128:20, 178:15 120:10, 153:10, request
36:9 remained 153:12, 153:13, 9:4, 15:14,
related 35:11 154:2, 197:3, 16:4, 43:6,
9:18, 27:22, remaining 223:7, 223:8 43:10, 56:16,
136:4, 139:21, 20:8, 169:7 reported 62:4, 63:16,
148:22, 199:20, remarks 63:4, 85:14, 64:21, 65:11,
226:8 19:9, 57:18, 99:7, 101:18, 65:18, 65:19,
relating 180:11 102:19, 124:17, 77:19, 81:9,
146:4, 209:22 remember 197:4, 201:2 85:21, 86:4,
relation 44:21, 45:17, reporter 87:2, 87:10,
165:8 50:12, 50:16, 89:1, 94:8, 148:3, 151:15,
relationship 59:9, 59:15, 94:11 193:15, 194:4
8:10, 9:7, 62:19, 69:21, reporters requested
41:14, 41:19, 80:3, 80:17, 52:1, 216:2 24:21, 38:22,
42:4, 56:22, 93:21, 94:2, reporting 157:7
57:2, 75:22, 118:2, 127:12, 161:9 requesting
91:3, 111:10, 127:19, 127:22, reports 57:20, 151:8
113:3, 174:4 144:14, 146:3, 16:14, 17:8, requests
relative 149:18, 149:19, 17:10, 48:22, 16:2, 28:11,
189:11 150:16, 151:1, 95:22, 160:16, 43:15, 73:3,
relayed 196:6 160:21, 161:2 125:22, 212:2
35:14 remembered represent require
release 42:11 177:21 143:21
129:11, 129:18, remembering representation required
134:7, 134:9, 61:20 38:1 21:6
146:2, 202:3 remind represents requires
releasing 6:17 7:14 34:11, 166:11
136:15 reminded reprimand research
relentlessly 84:5 191:22 220:12, 223:16
21:22 remove republican reserve
relevant 176:9 5:4, 51:11, 6:19
8:15, 32:1, removed 107:14, 107:21, resign
91:2 159:7 181:3, 195:9, 14:6, 58:6,
relied rendition 217:9 80:1, 143:4
37:5 39:3, 49:7 republicans resignation
relieve repeat 11:21, 67:1, 142:6, 142:14,
56:7 19:7, 153:1 73:21, 128:11, 142:15
relieved repeated 191:14, 192:6, resigned
16:20, 20:18, 138:20 192:16, 193:9, 80:11
211:19 repeatedly 195:3, 201:22, resisted
relitigating 20:5, 20:6, 202:15, 203:1, 124:11, 163:1
11:18, 195:6, 20:9, 91:7, 205:5, 210:14, resources
195:8 157:10, 163:7 210:22 220:9
reluctant reply reputation respect
40:7 150:12 3:13, 35:1, 55:16, 79:6,
rely report 189:2 161:6, 170:2,
31:18, 50:10 51:17, 101:10, reputational 170:3, 177:19
remain 101:20, 102:8, 183:12 respond
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responded 192:4, 206:6 risch rogers
70:17, 110:7, richmond 48:5, 48:6, 17:7, 160:22,
163:8 181:18 49:10, 49:14, 161:2
responds rid 50:9, 50:12, role
207:21 63:14, 112:8, 50:20, 50:22, 34:6, 57:8,
response 112:12, 167:11 51:6, 51:9, 86:10, 107:12,
56:17, 59:11, right 51:16, 52:13, 169:14, 199:17,
61:18, 62:16, 6:6, 12:1, 53:12, 53:15, 207:22
74:8, 85:16, 18:11, 25:2, 53:18, 53:22, ronald
85:17, 85:19, 38:4, 50:9, 54:13, 54:17, 3:5, 74:16
112:1 52:14, 52:19, 54:20, 55:1, room
responsibilities 54:13, 73:14, 55:3, 55:6, 3:10, 5:11,
4:8 79:12, 93:7, 55:10, 57:15, 42:13, 85:13,
responsibility 95:5, 111:19, 112:1, 181:4, 86:19, 86:21,
36:8, 101:9, 116:19, 124:12, 181:5, 193:19 94:5, 97:7,
106:10, 110:21, 133:10, 136:12, risch's 101:19, 102:1,
141:5, 202:18, 158:18, 187:10, 193:12 102:3, 102:7,
216:15 189:21, 190:9, rise 132:18, 176:2,
responsible 190:20, 192:8, 9:14, 133:22 190:20, 191:11,
14:16 193:21, 194:10, risible 197:19, 205:4,
rest 194:15, 194:19, 189:12 213:2
8:22, 22:16, 194:21, 197:3, risk rose
31:11, 71:6, 197:20, 198:8, 13:8, 30:22, 142:19
154:4 200:6, 200:7, 96:14, 113:21, rosenstein
restrained 200:9, 200:22, 121:21 86:13
209:1, 209:17 201:20, 202:2, risks rotten
result 202:22, 204:1, 96:6 95:3
212:15 205:11, 206:8, rivkin rough
results 206:18, 207:2, 3:4, 3:11, 69:11, 69:13,
32:16 207:5, 207:9, 3:15, 5:10, 69:14, 69:15
retrospect 207:15, 208:7, 5:14, 6:1, rows
99:3, 109:9 210:2, 210:4, 180:3, 181:11, 214:12
return 211:11, 211:12, 183:3, 183:7, roy
70:5, 176:7, 211:20, 212:13, 185:11, 185:12, 97:21
177:16, 181:1 212:17, 213:18, 185:13, 187:5, rubio
revealing 214:18, 215:20, 187:10, 187:12, 10:10, 64:18,
216:4 218:13, 218:17, 188:20, 189:5, 64:19, 65:3,
revelations 218:21, 219:4, 189:6, 189:22 65:10, 65:16,
219:18, 220:20, road 66:1, 66:11,
210:5 221:2, 221:3,
review 64:9, 101:7, 66:16, 66:20,
221:8, 221:10, 189:18, 221:1 67:4, 67:7,
23:8, 116:1, 221:14, 221:17,
123:21 robber 67:17, 67:20,
221:21, 222:18, 144:2 68:12, 68:16,
reviewed 223:22, 224:4,
110:15, 140:6, robert 69:2, 69:13,
224:13, 224:18 2:22, 129:21 69:20, 70:10,
146:17 rightly
revisit robust 71:12, 71:19,
63:22 113:8 72:8, 72:13,
40:14 rings
richard rocks 72:21, 73:13,
112:7 26:12, 130:8
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74:5, 103:18, 93:11, 136:14, 166:1, 166:16, 55:21, 57:12,
181:11, 181:12, 171:20, 217:14, 172:21, 179:2, 58:22, 59:8,
205:20, 211:21, 217:15 179:3, 211:14 65:16, 66:14,
212:11, 212:19 russia-connected S 67:8, 68:9,
run 30:2 safe 70:13, 70:14,
5:4, 21:21, russia-related 7:9, 178:3 79:7, 90:1,
34:14, 102:22, 76:22, 77:4 saga 90:22, 94:15,
128:16, 147:8, russian 130:13 94:18, 94:22,
182:20, 203:5, 2:12, 5:2, salacious 95:2, 102:14,
221:6 7:12, 8:5, 9:13, 82:5, 135:16 102:15, 103:15,
running 10:8, 12:5, same 113:18, 116:16,
44:9 14:8, 14:13, 119:3, 119:21,
14:19, 17:1, 122:20, 133:10,
runs 15:21, 23:14, 45:5, 72:16,
186:21 23:19, 24:1, 150:3, 151:5,
79:5, 109:15, 172:11, 172:18,
russia 24:12, 24:17, 111:17, 112:14,
5:17, 5:21, 25:13, 27:22, 174:15, 176:1,
112:15, 124:22, 176:20, 177:5,
9:9, 9:12, 34:7, 52:17, 125:9, 127:8,
11:10, 16:4, 57:22, 66:18, 181:7, 183:10,
129:13, 137:16, 184:7, 184:16,
16:12, 16:21, 77:11, 79:10, 144:21, 145:7,
17:4, 17:15, 91:7, 91:8, 185:17, 186:17,
145:14, 146:21, 191:15, 195:22,
20:16, 20:19, 92:13, 92:19, 146:22, 148:3,
23:11, 35:10, 96:3, 99:20, 199:19, 202:16,
151:6, 167:20, 202:17, 204:13,
40:3, 48:1, 107:1, 111:15, 168:10, 170:12,
56:4, 57:8, 112:18, 113:5, 205:2, 206:20,
193:20, 204:14, 211:1, 211:8,
60:4, 60:10, 113:7, 114:2, 205:20, 216:10
61:2, 65:5, 126:19, 127:3, 215:16
satellite saying
70:12, 70:15, 138:21, 139:9, 122:16
72:1, 72:3, 139:16, 140:4, 20:15, 21:9,
satellites 43:11, 54:11,
77:15, 96:19, 140:7, 144:10, 71:10, 71:13,
113:4, 122:6, 144:19, 145:12, 54:15, 56:13,
71:14 58:15, 59:15,
122:13, 127:13, 164:22, 165:11, save
129:22, 136:18, 165:19, 171:2, 59:16, 71:22,
172:15, 211:16 25:8 83:20, 87:9,
137:14, 145:21, saw
145:22, 146:4, russian-backed 106:10, 121:15,
146:5, 147:14, 14:4 14:2, 14:7, 123:8, 129:3,
147:20, 149:3, russians 20:14, 31:14, 138:6, 138:16,
149:10, 149:22, 91:11, 114:7, 163:2, 163:10,
12:13, 13:13, 159:13, 191:10,
150:5, 160:20, 13:15, 13:18, 185:15, 192:17,
162:16, 164:15, 191:14, 197:1, 194:4, 198:16,
14:7, 16:16, 202:15, 214:7,
165:14, 166:5, 25:1, 26:5, 199:1, 199:6,
166:7, 166:13, 215:15, 218:16 200:4, 202:3,
30:11, 49:19, say
169:14, 170:15, 50:16, 52:18, 210:2
171:22, 179:19, 58:10, 58:17, 3:17, 13:1, says
182:3, 199:5, 76:14, 78:4, 21:17, 22:13, 10:10, 53:4,
199:17, 199:20, 78:22, 79:3, 25:16, 28:1, 69:21, 112:4,
217:19, 223:5 91:19, 96:15, 28:8, 40:8, 140:6, 191:12,
russia's 111:11, 127:10, 40:11, 41:11, 216:22, 222:11
10:5, 91:8, 137:19, 139:7, 50:4, 52:6, scene
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scheduled 14:5, 38:11, 92:5, 137:18, 43:4, 45:1,
176:3 62:11, 62:12, 201:1, 212:22 63:22, 68:1,
scholar 74:14, 79:19, seldom 75:15, 79:5,
120:2 123:21, 140:16 205:8 80:19, 99:10,
school see select 100:11, 101:17,
48:16, 89:10, 15:11, 44:3, 2:6, 5:19, 7:4 101:20, 104:14,
181:17 51:2, 53:6, self-protection 141:10, 150:21,
scif 57:16, 61:7, 186:21 154:12, 159:21,
97:6, 97:14 61:11, 67:13, semantics 159:22
scope 80:18, 92:9, 210:10, 210:11 sensitive
40:6 97:16, 101:6, senate 8:16, 35:13,
score 114:21, 117:1, 1:9, 2:6, 2:16, 52:7
10:21, 219:6 117:6, 131:16, 3:9, 4:16, 7:4, sent
scored 162:2, 163:13, 7:6, 143:10, 38:12, 97:3,
211:21 177:11, 191:11, 177:22, 179:15, 116:8, 147:2,
seagulls 193:17, 194:6, 190:4, 190:19, 207:19
106:2 196:3, 197:1, 190:22, 200:18, sentence
searching 199:10, 201:22, 221:16, 221:18, 222:13
174:14 202:20, 205:7, 222:4 sentiment
seasoned 209:5, 212:11, senate-confirmed 72:6
33:21 219:7, 224:5, 64:2 separate
seat 224:11, 224:20 senator's 8:18, 17:16,
4:15, 64:5, seeing 11:16, 12:10, 114:8, 168:17
205:3, 211:13, 196:20 175:19 separately
222:1 seek senators 32:22
seated 25:7 4:22, 5:4, series
18:16 seeking 22:20, 51:11, 12:5, 31:10,
seats 12:3, 91:4, 106:19, 200:20, 35:9, 144:7,
213:5, 213:6, 151:22 215:14, 217:9, 145:17
214:5 seem 218:7, 218:15, serious
second 103:17, 106:7, 219:8, 219:10, 25:5, 28:22,
67:14, 68:8, 165:21, 173:22, 220:1 50:2, 86:14,
71:12, 82:14, 217:11 send 91:14, 92:8,
162:2 seemed 158:10, 194:17, 98:12, 99:4,
secondly 93:11, 122:19, 218:3 140:1, 142:20,
50:3 204:22 senior 165:2, 172:17,
secrecy seemingly 13:20, 17:3, 172:18, 216:12,
177:17 41:12 62:4, 63:7, 217:9
secretary seems 74:6, 101:4, seriously
4:12, 168:2, 41:15, 44:10, 134:15, 134:22, 17:19, 93:20,
168:21, 169:21, 103:19, 118:21, 137:8, 139:18, 167:3, 207:17,
170:2, 170:4, 119:1, 156:8, 160:18, 162:14 216:14, 217:7
170:14, 171:6, 209:16 seniority seriousness
172:22, 173:1, seen 18:19 11:6, 126:19,
175:11 5:9, 17:18, sense 165:17
secure 24:8, 42:12, 4:10, 21:1, servants
74:20, 136:3 44:17, 45:1, 21:5, 25:6, 130:5
security 57:11, 59:13, 41:22, 43:3, serve
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served 141:18, 141:20, should sides
3:4, 3:11, 144:15, 156:7 17:13, 39:11, 192:8, 197:11
19:12, 180:3 seven 44:4, 59:10, sign
server 18:19, 48:12, 63:2, 63:7, 142:12
170:8 143:11, 218:16, 67:15, 79:4, signature-we1
service 219:13 83:10, 85:13, 226:12
6:12, 34:20, several 85:14, 85:20, signed
47:11, 48:8, 2:9, 6:2, 7:17, 91:18, 92:17, 142:6
98:3, 98:7, 9:1, 108:2, 92:18, 94:14, significant
115:3, 176:22 112:16, 142:1, 94:16, 94:19, 9:17, 33:7,
services 176:18 95:17, 117:10, 38:19, 74:19,
96:11 shape 124:11, 127:1, 76:6, 95:8,
serving 128:9 130:14, 136:20, 95:14, 98:4,
43:21 share 149:2, 150:10, 107:6, 180:10,
session 31:2, 46:2, 152:2, 152:8, 182:11, 198:13,
6:18, 18:21, 63:7, 89:1, 152:14, 158:3, 200:1
33:5, 111:20, 91:13, 104:17, 174:5, 184:3, silence
176:12, 179:21, 105:1, 121:3, 187:1, 222:4 208:4
188:12, 188:22, 133:17, 156:7, should've silly
199:16, 199:22, 177:10, 212:22 166:15 123:17
216:4, 224:12 shared shouldn't similar
sessions 45:15, 63:5, 45:2, 101:19, 62:20, 83:17,
40:15, 76:11, 74:6, 92:16 192:21 207:9
77:8, 80:12, sheila show simple
87:7, 132:15, 214:8 83:9, 88:9, 12:1, 21:12,
132:18, 133:3, shifted 88:13, 98:12, 180:13
134:15, 145:21, 68:18 127:8, 133:8, simply
148:14, 199:8, shifting 137:11, 137:16, 12:20, 178:13,
199:15, 199:17, 19:22 209:20 185:2, 186:21
200:10, 200:11, shining showdown since
200:14, 211:6 128:20 142:4 2:15, 21:3,
set shocked showed 26:21, 27:4,
7:18, 34:9, 62:17 174:17 46:12, 137:21,
96:2, 147:9, shocking shown 151:14, 169:13,
178:4, 179:8, 13:10 130:19, 177:7, 176:19, 181:17,
203:17, 211:15, shockingly 178:10 181:19
214:5 16:14 shows single
setting shooter 165:10 44:21, 187:20
27:16, 29:19, 13:6 shrug sir
33:13, 51:5, short 150:22 48:4, 49:14,
65:13, 67:8, 6:8, 101:16, shut 50:11, 65:9,
76:21, 91:13, 174:18, 179:13, 110:6 66:9, 66:19,
96:8, 96:13, 190:17 sic 67:3, 67:6,
110:18, 111:13, shortly 167:21, 171:9 68:3, 69:1,
112:20, 126:16, 50:13, 64:1, side 71:8, 71:18,
136:20, 138:11, 64:5, 111:20, 8:11, 39:3, 72:7, 73:12,
139:13, 140:14, 135:10 172:7, 195:9, 83:3, 83:22,
141:2, 141:6, shot 198:9, 205:3 91:17, 92:14,
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98:9, 98:14, smear 177:3 22:13, 84:17,
100:14, 100:20, 34:22 somebody's 105:7, 134:19,
101:7, 102:13, smell 144:2 170:21
103:8, 107:13, 16:8 somehow sort
108:8, 108:15, smoking 104:16, 124:22 5:3, 9:7,
108:21, 109:2, 199:11 someone 28:19, 41:13,
111:13, 113:1, sneak 42:1, 65:20, 71:20, 75:21,
123:4, 126:11, 219:5 69:7, 96:7, 82:17, 90:17,
126:19, 127:6, so-called 114:5, 209:11, 95:20, 96:2,
129:4, 129:21, 111:15, 185:21, 211:8, 217:6, 134:2, 149:15,
131:17, 134:3, 189:16 219:21 186:19, 193:13,
142:14, 142:16, solemnly something 196:5, 201:15,
143:5, 157:5, 18:12 4:4, 26:7, 202:20, 204:8,
157:11, 157:22, solution 32:22, 38:13, 206:3, 208:6,
160:11, 171:10, 179:8 43:6, 44:20, 209:13, 209:18,
173:5 some 45:5, 51:3, 212:11, 214:16,
sit 4:22, 5:4, 5:6, 55:8, 56:5, 219:20
55:9, 55:17, 5:21, 7:20, 56:13, 57:4, sought
80:15, 167:5 8:16, 9:7, 68:18, 70:2, 51:10
sitting 12:13, 13:3, 70:4, 71:10, sound
14:18, 42:11, 19:8, 28:19, 71:16, 75:10, 66:7
42:22, 47:13, 29:11, 33:9, 78:11, 83:2, sounds
61:22, 93:16, 34:22, 35:12, 95:12, 98:11, 208:21, 217:21
113:18, 116:16, 37:5, 37:22, 103:21, 112:4, source
139:11, 146:3, 41:13, 45:13, 114:7, 118:21, 106:8, 197:5,
147:16, 149:18, 49:7, 62:18, 122:17, 130:12, 201:22
155:18, 156:3, 65:13, 71:9, 136:5, 138:14, sourced
175:9, 214:11 71:14, 75:21, 146:6, 147:15, 202:7
situation 80:19, 82:5, 150:5, 152:11, sources
55:20, 82:16, 82:18, 82:21, 158:11, 160:7, 127:21
112:14, 169:16 85:4, 90:17, 162:4, 164:14, sowing
six 90:18, 97:4, 175:8, 181:1, 12:7
20:8, 98:15, 98:5, 101:10, 182:17, 185:2, span
131:6, 131:7 101:12, 101:14, 189:5, 193:20, 219:6
skilled 113:10, 122:3, 197:13, 199:20, spare
142:21 122:16, 126:13, 206:1, 211:17, 96:14
slightly 151:3, 164:16, 212:19, 222:19 speak
61:9 165:8, 166:6, sometimes 13:7, 140:3,
slights 172:19, 174:2, 26:13, 45:21, 149:9, 152:12,
207:17 174:22, 176:13, 73:15, 208:17, 206:21, 218:22
slippery 180:9, 182:9, 219:19 speaking
68:9, 163:4 183:6, 186:7, soon 2:15, 53:5,
slope 194:20, 198:11, 18:3, 35:17, 82:4
68:9, 163:5 199:3, 204:22, 36:6, 176:11 speaks
slow 205:16, 208:14, sophistication 6:14, 47:6,
119:5, 183:5, 220:15, 220:16, 91:21 217:13
210:8 223:20 sorry spear
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special spotlight state 187:1
2:5, 2:22, 218:20 8:2, 12:19, station
23:7, 25:20, spring 23:20, 209:5, 190:9
34:8, 79:8, 32:13 220:10 statue
89:4, 105:13, square stated 44:1
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158:4, 158:9, 114:6 2:17, 3:16, stay
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191:20, 196:15, 208:9 9:2, 15:13, 20:6, 20:7,
196:16, 197:9, stacie 19:6, 29:9, 41:8, 42:3,
198:1, 198:2, 208:3 36:19, 40:7, 42:6, 42:9,
204:18, 221:5, stacks 50:7, 51:19, 42:10, 43:2,
221:11, 222:1, 220:7 52:11, 55:8, 43:7, 108:6,
222:8 staff 58:5, 63:20, 126:7, 132:18,
specific 8:15, 13:12, 67:21, 70:1, 135:18, 181:2,
7:1, 29:3, 38:13, 61:21, 71:2, 76:9, 188:2
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122:5, 139:16, 118:5, 218:12, 108:1, 108:7, steele
165:18 220:8, 220:9, 109:17, 110:9, 27:8, 27:14
specifically 220:10, 220:11, 115:20, 116:2, steeped
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87:12, 99:17, stand 167:15, 181:19, 157:2, 157:4,
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speculation 173:13, 203:22 statements 107:5
8:19, 9:18, standing 15:16, 25:12, stepping
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spend 155:6 138:4, 141:12, 160:19, 165:18
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109:10 26:12, 35:8, states 71:5, 79:3,
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209:3 144:8, 179:21 17:13, 22:3, 98:7, 98:16,
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12:5, 28:7 35:17, 97:9, 52:21, 54:15, 168:9, 168:12,
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38:7, 61:4, 223:9 78:16, 89:16, 178:18, 178:19,
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spoken 165:7, 174:8, 216:6, 217:2
starts 177:22, 186:18,
44:21, 78:11 166:22 stinks
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196:11 strong 167:16 136:6, 140:2,
stood 22:10, 58:19, suggest 140:11, 143:18,
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stop 180:19 112:5, 138:14, 148:20, 158:19,
24:11, 24:17, stronger 176:3 164:12, 178:1,
58:22, 62:14, 59:4, 59:18 suggested 204:13, 213:15,
119:16, 119:21, strongly 16:19, 50:15, 223:20
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161:15, 165:18, struck 156:5, 220:16 113:9, 129:16
183:6, 183:21, 197:13, 204:6 suggesting surprise
184:12, 194:4 struggle 99:18 49:22, 62:2
stopping 63:3 suggestion surprised
61:17, 68:11 stubborn 90:18, 100:5 49:20
stories 186:6 suit surrounded
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122:11, 216:21 198:18, 199:7 suited surrounding
story studio 10:4 7:21, 71:15
8:11, 12:12, 2:21 summarily surveillance
39:3, 122:8, stuff 164:3 50:19
138:19, 139:1, 122:12 summer surveyed
139:2, 139:6, stunned 30:3, 173:6 51:1
140:5, 140:9, 59:4, 66:4, summoning susan
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straight style 42:20 199:12
5:12, 7:18, 219:8 superior swear
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strained 5:1, 36:3, 121:14 swift
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strange 39:8, 40:1, 75:8 swirling
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strategic 156:4, 158:7, 194:3 switchboard
184:5 159:4, 161:11, suppose 110:2
strategically 166:12, 175:7, 30:13, 120:15 sworn
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stress substance 34:13, 37:6, tainted
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strike 12:15 101:14, 106:6, 47:20, 56:3,
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95:6, 102:11, 199:22, 214:15 technical 16:8
109:4, 112:6, talking 91:22, 128:8 testified
155:11, 157:20, 36:7, 52:2, technically 80:6, 94:11,
160:19, 162:4, 52:5, 66:17, 39:19 142:18, 155:3,
164:9, 164:13, 75:3, 82:1, telephone 161:13, 161:18,
182:10, 182:18, 100:19, 102:3, 139:17, 205:17 163:7, 190:21
194:8, 202:18, 123:18, 124:19, television testify
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takeaway 192:21, 203:16, tell 124:2, 179:17,
191:3 203:20, 216:2 18:12, 51:11, 198:7
taken talks 63:19, 63:21, testifying
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49:19, 54:20, tangles 66:21, 67:11, testimony
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165:15 tape 127:5, 131:15, 15:2, 17:16,
takes 88:20 133:19, 168:1, 18:4, 18:6,
112:21, 207:17, taped 173:13, 174:12, 23:1, 23:8,
223:15 129:16 177:3, 192:20, 25:3, 35:2,
taking tapes 208:17 35:3, 35:7,
17:20, 60:10, 59:14, 64:14, telling 38:6, 47:10,
60:18, 93:20, 88:17, 129:6, 15:6, 20:17, 48:12, 68:4,
102:16, 106:9, 129:14, 129:18, 61:10, 98:16, 70:13, 75:1,
153:20, 161:1, 134:7, 166:22, 208:17 77:18, 81:17,
193:7, 216:15 167:9 tells 86:17, 87:6,
talk target 128:3 89:19, 94:20,
33:13, 42:22, 30:8, 98:18, tempted 95:16, 103:2,
56:15, 61:16, 103:6, 103:16 83:20 114:14, 148:1,
67:9, 67:11, targeted ten-year 150:7, 163:14,
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89:19, 91:11, targets tend 190:2, 192:12,
95:11, 102:2, 30:6 160:20 203:2, 205:22,
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141:6, 141:17, team 82:4, 101:16 45:9, 50:14,
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199:15, 215:17 39:11, 39:15, 98:1, 98:6, 61:5, 68:16,
talked 39:18, 40:16, 132:10 75:5, 83:9,
20:9, 42:8, 40:17, 40:18, terms 84:4, 89:14,
43:3, 50:13, 46:3, 62:4, 107:10, 111:22, 98:17, 98:19,
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117:14, 119:11, 25:14, 31:22, 183:19, 184:7, 72:9, 73:3,
122:20, 132:13, 217:7 189:7, 192:19, 73:6, 73:9,
137:16, 138:18, then-president-e- 198:13, 204:18, 73:11, 74:12,
148:12, 149:4, lect 208:19, 211:4, 81:13, 103:4,
151:7, 151:10, 39:21 214:9 112:22, 131:6,
151:11, 151:14, theoretical thinking 135:5, 142:10,
173:15 162:9 3:20, 16:12, 176:5, 176:10,
thank theory 43:1, 45:17, 184:7, 186:9,
6:12, 11:3, 120:5, 148:19, 46:5, 82:16, 198:3, 198:4,
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18:8, 19:3, thereabouts thinks 212:8, 219:2
19:5, 22:17, 148:13 152:12 through
22:22, 34:15, thing third 8:4, 31:11,
34:18, 34:19, 25:18, 32:21, 31:18, 42:12, 35:6, 47:14,
47:12, 48:4, 45:5, 52:6, 105:19, 114:12 49:15, 104:19,
48:6, 48:8, 59:8, 62:22, thomas 105:18, 115:13,
49:9, 51:9, 68:19, 68:20, 112:13 117:4, 120:17,
52:13, 53:15, 69:22, 70:13, thorough 144:19, 182:2,
55:10, 55:11, 72:15, 72:17, 130:1, 165:19 203:5, 211:16
64:16, 64:17, 73:5, 73:18, thoroughly throughout
64:19, 74:16, 95:20, 99:13, 158:7 31:12, 41:5,
81:4, 81:6, 103:13, 106:19, thought 89:21, 162:8,
89:11, 95:21, 107:14, 107:15, 19:8, 36:12, 204:10
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125:16, 125:18, 198:17, 199:7, 135:15, 136:7, ties
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167:12, 175:20, 49:4, 49:16, 46:20, 46:21, 14:19, 17:1,
179:9, 179:10, 52:14, 60:20, 48:21, 54:2, 18:3, 21:2,
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190:16, 224:21, 72:4, 72:9, threat 25:5, 25:11,
225:1 73:11, 73:17, 18:2, 28:15, 25:15, 26:21,
thanking 87:21, 91:2, 128:15, 165:18, 27:3, 27:12,
11:5, 81:8 94:18, 95:2, 166:14, 179:5 30:1, 32:11,
thanks 99:2, 99:9, threatened 40:13, 46:18,
55:13, 178:14, 106:13, 115:13, 15:6 52:19, 56:8,
205:15 123:22, 130:21, threats 58:8, 60:11,
theirs 141:4, 142:18, 165:22 64:11, 64:22,
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79:21, 85:2, 189:19, 191:7, tools 1:7
85:6, 95:20, 192:10, 193:10, 7:8, 178:2 transition
103:1, 103:20, 196:12, 197:2, top 79:16, 96:1,
106:13, 108:18, 198:14, 200:4, 16:17, 88:6, 96:7
108:20, 109:10, 201:15, 203:10, 92:1, 166:13, transparent
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117:20, 123:20, 211:18, 216:3, 215:16, 224:2, treasury
125:12, 128:3, 224:16 224:14, 224:19 4:12
131:9, 132:6, today's topic treat
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137:21, 139:5, 7:17, 15:3 127:8, 203:6 treated
142:10, 156:4, together total 72:18, 73:5,
162:2, 167:20, 95:6, 130:21 69:18 187:13, 187:14
169:15, 170:12, told totally tremendous
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176:17, 188:1, 21:14, 41:22, touch trial
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time's 61:6, 66:22, 41:2, 41:3, trickle
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175:21 73:9, 75:9, 150:5 tried
timeframe 81:14, 82:19, touched 3:19, 34:22,
30:4, 30:12 83:10, 86:18, 185:4, 185:5, 95:7, 101:4,
timeline 87:9, 94:6, 217:14 128:9, 163:12,
7:1 94:7, 94:10, touching 163:14, 163:19
times 98:21, 115:6, 114:8 trigger
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timing 17:17, 126:13
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today 39:19, 40:9,
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11:13, 18:4, 54:16, 54:19, transcribed 98:22, 111:8,
19:5, 67:5, 59:7, 63:13, 1:22, 2:1, 114:10, 115:10,
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13:17, 35:8, 25:20, 27:5, twice unanswered
39:12, 39:21, 28:20, 29:5, 38:7, 42:8, 103:19, 178:19,
40:3, 40:10, 87:1, 107:16, 177:13, 188:8 215:9
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113:15, 134:16, 31:13, 47:4, 209:12, 209:13, unclassified
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137:13, 137:19, 80:2, 83:1, 218:2 46:13, 46:15,
138:13, 138:20, 84:14, 85:3, two 105:12, 105:15
139:7, 139:18, 118:22, 119:20, 15:19, 60:1, unclear
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144:17, 168:3, 138:14, 154:7, 71:20, 73:4, uncommon
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194:8, 197:4, 204:12, 213:3 180:21, 181:20, 35:21, 50:6,
197:6, 203:21, tuning 183:19, 190:2, 52:16, 60:22,
204:3, 204:15, 11:13 192:7, 198:2, 67:2, 67:21,
204:19, 206:10, turn 198:12, 207:9, 68:10, 73:9,
207:4, 207:13, 11:1, 11:14, 211:12, 212:5 73:10, 73:20,
207:20, 208:6, 34:16, 76:8, type 81:15, 84:16,
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209:8, 209:10, 137:3, 139:14, typically 111:3, 122:22,
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212:19 turned typing 199:2, 203:21,
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tweeted 32:20, 120:10, underscore
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127:1, 139:20, 17:12, 22:3, unverified verified
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understanding 96:19, 112:4, uphold 202:14, 206:14
7:22, 24:14, 113:4, 113:11, 22:2 versus
35:11, 36:20, 121:18, 160:2, upset 11:20, 203:21
39:9, 39:14, 165:7, 174:8, 50:22 vice
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80:3, 86:9, 187:1 176:17 11:1, 18:8,
145:20, 148:13, university urged 23:5, 34:16,
151:15, 162:19 201:14 110:6 34:17, 58:9,
understood unkind urgency 68:10, 79:15,
19:12, 19:16, 183:17 79:5 99:21, 100:12,
57:19, 58:14, unknown use 177:15, 178:12,
65:4, 65:8, 216:7 82:3, 96:18, 180:14, 220:1
68:20, 104:20, unlawful 125:2, 170:7, victims
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undertaken unlike 96:4, 96:16, 40:20, 40:21,
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underway 47:22 128:8 64:13, 70:8,
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uneasy 16:18, 41:14, 186:11 202:12, 205:4,
43:17, 44:7, 70:15, 172:5 utterly 205:5, 211:22
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Conducted on June 8, 2017 282
125:20 want wants 36:17, 38:15,
virginians 4:22, 22:8, 54:16, 78:17, 41:18, 45:10,
126:1 34:15, 34:16, 219:1 45:15, 45:20,
vis--vis 35:6, 49:17, warn 46:6, 46:9,
48:1, 86:10 51:4, 52:19, 79:1 46:13, 53:6,
visit 55:15, 55:21, warner 54:19, 56:5,
115:2, 115:7 60:20, 63:10, 5:20, 10:13, 57:16, 59:15,
vital 66:6, 68:7, 10:18, 11:3, 61:10, 61:12,
166:14 78:15, 81:12, 19:4, 34:17, 64:9, 64:12,
voice 82:16, 82:20, 36:18, 37:19, 72:16, 82:18,
26:14, 88:3, 83:22, 94:15, 38:18, 40:13, 84:16, 86:15,
190:15 101:22, 102:22, 40:17, 41:6, 90:16, 96:21,
voices 103:11, 103:14, 42:17, 43:8, 101:11, 107:6,
208:22 103:21, 108:19, 44:8, 45:7, 108:9, 110:16,
volumes 126:5, 128:13, 46:1, 46:11, 110:18, 119:12,
47:7 138:7, 138:12, 46:21, 47:3, 120:17, 124:19,
voluntarily 138:13, 138:15, 47:6, 47:12, 125:7, 125:8,
153:6 139:14, 140:3, 47:19, 47:22, 128:9, 143:2,
voluntary 140:10, 140:13, 48:4, 75:4, 148:6, 148:8,
81:9 141:4, 141:13, 75:9, 178:13, 149:8, 150:3,
volunteered 143:9, 143:22, 180:14, 180:22, 151:21, 154:9,
81:18, 83:6 159:5, 172:18, 215:8, 216:7, 163:9, 163:16,
volunteering 176:20, 177:5, 217:16, 220:2 163:22, 164:14,
178:13, 178:16, washington 164:16, 166:6,
126:6, 126:7 166:7, 171:15,
vote 178:17, 180:7, 2:21, 11:11,
180:8, 181:20, 140:6, 180:2, 183:6, 186:13,
128:4, 128:9, 186:4, 187:2, 187:21, 193:14,
176:3, 176:16 183:13, 191:2,
192:12, 194:13, 206:21, 209:20 196:3, 201:12,
voter 195:7, 195:14, 203:18, 204:14,
23:20 watch
198:11, 198:12, 3:8, 5:10, 205:20, 207:20,
votes 206:1, 212:22, 212:11, 213:15,
24:5 5:11, 22:17,
215:17, 218:3, 126:9, 190:10, 216:5, 218:2,
vulnerable 220:13 220:14
189:20 192:12, 207:18,
wanted 211:5, 214:7, we'll
W 41:8, 41:10, 214:8 108:18, 111:19,
wait 56:7, 58:15, watched 176:1, 176:9,
43:1 60:8, 61:15, 4:15, 56:9, 217:22, 224:14,
waiting 77:20, 87:3, 126:11, 207:18 224:19
131:14, 209:5, 104:17, 108:5, watching we're
213:6 119:16, 120:16, 4:13, 178:18, 3:8, 4:13,
walk 124:3, 126:14, 190:14, 205:6, 5:10, 5:11,
58:21, 115:12, 131:16, 135:12, 217:22, 224:21 11:17, 11:22,
210:14 136:6, 163:3, water 33:19, 34:2,
walked 202:13, 206:13, 21:3, 212:15 39:22, 47:13,
49:15, 176:20 210:2, 210:3, way 49:6, 49:18,
walking 214:6, 220:3, 9:9, 13:9, 61:10, 63:15,
42:13 223:8, 223:9 15:11, 25:8, 83:3, 84:2,
wallet wanting 27:4, 32:21, 98:15, 98:21,
144:3 42:21

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101:5, 112:14, 202:17, 206:16 whole 213:13
125:21, 128:7, weren't 11:18, 18:13, wittes
129:1, 129:2, 83:13, 126:14 21:2, 27:2, 89:6
130:10, 169:20, west 28:13, 94:19, witting
170:21, 176:22, 125:20, 126:1 96:17, 103:20, 113:9
177:5, 178:9, western 108:18, 122:7, woke
178:20, 178:21, 179:7 169:6, 169:12, 88:17
188:12, 190:19, whatever 169:16, 170:19 wolf
194:20, 194:21, 107:16, 108:21, wide 137:11
196:19, 203:3, 109:1, 220:12 21:21, 130:9 women
208:10, 209:5, whatsoever wife 220:5
209:6, 224:1 24:9, 91:19, 68:21, 105:22, won
we've 133:8 109:3, 109:10, 11:19
5:9, 10:15, whereupon 156:4, 214:16, wonder
34:2, 34:3, 2:1, 225:2 214:20 73:17, 206:3
39:3, 43:1, whether wiggle wonderful
73:14, 115:1, 5:7, 25:16, 212:20 128:2, 128:5
162:7, 177:7, 25:21, 28:9, willing woodruff
181:17, 209:3, 39:6, 39:7, 13:7, 50:4 2:3, 2:4, 4:13,
216:9 39:11, 41:8, willingness 5:9, 6:6,
weak 44:3, 51:2, 6:10, 153:5, 179:14, 180:2,
199:10 52:15, 58:8, 177:10, 178:11 183:3, 184:12,
web 58:10, 63:20, winning 185:12, 186:15,
14:2, 218:6 66:8, 66:10, 209:1 187:2, 187:11,
weeds 75:17, 75:18, wish 188:3, 188:10,
203:18 84:15, 96:13, 109:10 188:15, 189:3,
weeks 100:2, 110:5, wishes 189:21
2:20, 7:17, 119:12, 125:5, 72:22, 76:2 word
35:2, 74:1, 129:16, 148:21, wit: 44:21, 56:3,
98:15, 148:15, 153:15, 158:3, 2:2 56:10, 56:14,
148:18, 211:12, 171:2, 171:21, witch 59:9, 64:12,
215:22 172:21, 182:21, 17:22 83:18, 120:22,
weighing 189:4, 191:21, within 122:21, 144:4,
114:11 197:17, 200:14, 40:6, 46:2, 167:10, 181:9,
welcome 203:20 46:8, 178:3, 181:13, 193:14,
2:4, 3:7, whispered 184:10 196:21, 197:8,
10:22, 19:9, 42:14 without 202:14
74:18, 106:21 white 21:22, 122:4, wording
well-liked 3:1, 65:18, 130:1, 156:14, 204:7, 204:11
20:12 67:10, 67:15, 164:3, 188:2, words
well-publicized 79:1, 86:7, 216:4, 223:2 37:22, 41:10,
141:22 87:3, 94:13, witness 53:2, 53:3,
went 102:9, 110:1, 95:1, 95:18, 53:4, 53:9,
35:9, 51:1, 118:5, 144:12, 192:14, 219:14 53:17, 53:20,
71:8, 78:22, 180:5, 194:20, witnesses 54:11, 55:5,
87:7, 142:7, 224:16 219:19 58:4, 59:12,
169:7, 169:9, who've witnessing 104:11, 133:14,
180:1, 181:15, 14:1, 34:22 213:11, 213:12, 164:13, 165:8,

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169:20, 181:8, would've 46:13, 50:14, 174:20, 188:1
192:1, 194:7, 26:21, 90:20, 53:2, 53:12, yesterday
195:4 158:19, 163:3 96:20, 96:21, 2:15, 7:18,
work wouldn't 97:3, 97:8, 17:6, 23:2,
7:13, 8:4, 143:1, 152:16, 101:3, 115:15, 35:3, 48:11,
17:20, 25:20, 156:17, 183:7 142:5 74:22, 126:10,
32:2, 34:13, wrap wyden 143:12, 206:11,
40:6, 43:9, 190:3 74:15, 74:16, 215:15
45:19, 49:21, wrapped 75:20, 76:4, york
67:15, 70:20, 217:6 76:8, 77:7, 50:14, 51:18,
79:14, 98:13, wrestled 77:18, 78:6, 116:9, 138:19,
107:16, 108:16, 68:3, 222:20 78:9, 78:20, 216:21
121:22, 123:19, write 79:15, 79:22, young
124:20, 125:7, 36:16, 38:11, 80:5, 80:11, 213:10
130:21, 166:11, 45:12, 46:5, 80:18, 81:3 yourself
169:2, 171:3, 87:16, 87:18, Y 105:18, 106:10,
176:19, 177:10, 96:21, 142:12, yates 157:20, 202:17
178:1, 211:14 150:12, 222:16 78:21, 80:4, .
work's writing 80:6 .2
154:22 5:6, 48:16, yeah 203:22
worked 52:1, 194:14, 42:19, 55:10,
6:22, 10:14, 0
217:8 88:5, 90:10,
21:16, 34:1, written 00
102:5, 105:14, 6:18, 18:21,
35:20, 43:15 23:1, 23:8, 125:4, 131:12,
workforce 36:1, 37:2, 176:2, 176:4,
141:1, 152:16, 176:16
20:13, 21:10, 37:4, 38:5, 154:10, 170:5,
21:13, 177:5 49:4, 57:18, 05
174:6, 174:11,
working 115:20, 115:22, 195:5, 198:3, 226:12
24:15, 42:15, 117:6, 117:10, 203:7, 211:20, 1
63:11, 97:12, 146:2, 148:1, 212:6, 213:20, 1
121:5, 136:5, 150:7, 181:16, 213:22, 214:2, 1:21, 6:18,
213:15 203:12, 206:10 215:5 18:21, 176:2,
works wrong year 176:3, 176:4
108:21, 109:1, 41:21, 43:4, 12:20, 19:13, 1,000
216:5 44:22, 52:6, 21:1, 27:9, 30:14
world 56:12, 58:6, 89:14, 98:5, 10
128:14, 154:20, 59:1, 60:17, 115:7, 158:20, 19:13, 176:16
182:1, 224:22 66:10, 71:10, 177:13, 205:9, 100
worried 71:16, 72:4, 217:17, 223:19 29:17
105:20, 106:1, 80:17, 94:2, year-long 11
127:2 122:9, 122:13, 177:14 15:20, 60:3,
worry 122:17, 135:22, years 61:1, 61:5,
138:9, 170:1 139:3, 184:3, 6:15, 20:8, 98:20, 102:19,
worse 186:5, 186:14, 33:22, 38:7, 102:20, 151:11,
10:1, 185:14 189:2, 205:12, 44:22, 48:20, 173:15
worst 210:19, 222:17 74:19, 98:3, 1170
183:16 wrote 100:8, 152:11, 112:11
worth 45:8, 45:10,
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12 23:11, 24:5, 5th
23:5 24:12, 26:4, 52:10, 169:1,
14 26:9, 32:13, 170:11
15:8, 44:10, 34:7, 91:20, 6
45:9, 50:14, 107:1 6
58:13, 100:16, 2017 108:22
117:14, 119:11, 1:10, 12:20 600
132:13, 138:18, 2018 125:22
148:12, 149:4, 10:10, 12:18, 6th
151:7, 151:14 223:20 35:8, 39:10,
140 2020 57:1, 81:16,
120:22 10:11, 12:19 94:1, 135:12
148596 226 8
1:20 1:21
15 23 85
30:19, 31:11, 140:5 7:5
179:22 27 88
16 9:5, 15:4, 213:4
30:19, 31:12, 41:7, 75:5, 9
107:6, 146:6 83:9, 89:14, 9th
18 103:3, 103:12 19:19, 85:7,
110:5, 137:16, 28 171:1
165:6 53:3 @
1st 29 @danielbush
135:22 112:11, 219:12 194:16, 218:4
2 2nd @lisadnews
2 149:6, 150:1 194:15, 218:4
176:16 3
20 30
4:17, 42:19, 4:17, 9:8,
165:6, 179:22 15:20, 60:3,
200 68:16, 84:4,
100:8 98:17, 98:19,
2004 102:20, 103:3,
141:21, 142:21, 103:10, 108:22,
143:2 122:20, 151:10
2009 300
3:2 213:6
2011 36
3:2 29:3
2013 3rd
19:11 103:2, 137:11
2015 4
30:3 45
2016 176:3
2:13, 7:13, 5
8:5, 10:5, 10:8,
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