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Cananybodyexplainmehowthehotallowablesinthematerialdatabasearecalculatedfor Mod
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Posts:385 theEN13480materials?
Loc:TheNetherlands IfIdoacalculationforShaccordingtochapter5Igetdifferent(higher)values,soIwantto March
doublecheckbothmeandCII.
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Re:EN13480allowablestressesSh [Re:RichardAy] #1812805/20/08 09:19AM

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corne
Member IwasdoublecheckingforthesimpleS235material(1.0345)at300degr.Celsius.

Registered:07/09/07 I'vegotthefcoldwhereRm/3istheminimalvalueof(Rm/3ORf).fbeingtheminimum
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valueof(ReH/1.5ORRp0.2/1.5ORRm/2.4).
Loc:TheNetherlands

ForthefhIgetavalueof102N/mm2thoughwhereCIIgetsavalueof88N/mm2.

WhenIcalculatetheallowablestressrangeforexpansionstressusingCIIfhof88Igetthe
sameresultforfaasCII.Sothedifferenceisinthecalculationoffh.

Allcalculationsaredoneaccordingtochapter5and12ofEN13480andmaterialproperties
fromEN100283.

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Re:EN13480allowablestressesSh [Re:corne] #1813705/20/08 03:12PM

Ray_Delaforce
Member HelloCorne

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Posts:668 Firstly,IthinkthematerialtowhichyoureferisP235GH1.0345notS235.IhopeIam
Loc:Houston,TX correctinthisassumption.P235GHisanonausteniticsteel(inotherwords,acarbonsteel)so
wehavetoproceedalongtheselines.Weconsidera16mmthicksection:

Fromparagraph5.2.1.1wehavethefollowingequationat300C:

f=min(Rp0,2t/1,5:Rm/2.4)Note:Rehdoesnotcontrolhere
=min(132/1,5360/2,4)=88MPa

Fortheflexibilityanalysis,wegotoparagraph12.1.3.2:

fc=min(Rm/3f)=min(360/388)=88MPa

fCR=SRTt/SFCR,butwearenotinthecreeprange,sothisequationisignored.

Finally:

fh=min(fcf)=88MPa.

Intheequationfromparagraph5.2.1.1itisouropinionthatyoucannotuseReh,especiallyas
youareyouareconsideringatemperatureof300C.

Idonotprofesstobeanexpertinthesematters,butIconsidertheconsverativeapproachis

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thecorrectone.However,othersmayhaveadifferetntview.

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Re:EN13480allowablestressesSh [Re:Ray_Delaforce] #1814705/21/08 02:06AM

corne
Member Ray,thanksforyouranswer.
WhichENdoyouusetogettheRp0,2tvalue?Ithinkthatcanbethedifference.
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Re:EN13480allowablestressesSh [Re:corne] #1816405/21/08 07:40AM

Ray_Delaforce
Member HelloCorne

Registered:01/02/03
Posts:668 WepurchaseourENmaterialspecificationsfromtheBritishStandardsInstitution.Wehave
Loc:Houston,TX foundtheoddtypo.DoyouhaveadifferentvalueforRp0,2/tat300Cforexample?For
P235GH16mmthick,ourspecificationgivesthevalueas132MPa
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Re:EN13480allowablestressesSh [Re:Ray_Delaforce] #1816705/21/08 08:44AM

corne
Member Whatoddtypohaveyoufound?

Registered:07/09/07
Posts:385 I'mathomeatmanddon'thavethecodehere,butbyheadIthoughtRp0,2at300Cwas153
Loc:TheNetherlands N/mm2.Thevalueof132isat400C.

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Re:EN13480allowablestressesSh [Re:corne] #1820505/22/08 07:28AM

corne
Member HiRay,
Ithinki'vefoundthemistake.TheplateandstripEN100282andtheseamlesspipe102162
Registered:07/09/07
Posts:385 codegivewaydifferentallowablesforP235.
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Re:EN13480allowablestressesSh [Re:corne] #1820605/22/08 07:43AM

Ray_Delaforce
Member HelloCorne

Registered:01/02/03
Posts:668 Iamnotsayingyouarewrong,becauseIdonotknowwhatdocumentationyouarelooking
Loc:Houston,TX at.Ihaveinmyhandthefollowingspecification:

BSEN102162:2002(E)SeamlessSteeltubesforpressurepurposes.

IlookatP235GH1.0345(16mm)andIfindthatRp0,2/tat300Cis132MPa.Ifyouwouldlike
ascanofthatpage,youcanemailmeattechsupport@coade.com.Simpymentionmyname
inthesubjectline,andIshalldothenecessary.

TheproblemmayarisebecauseeachEuropeanCommunitycountryrewritesthespecification
intheirownlanguage,thuspossiblyintroducingerrorsIbutIsimplydonotknow.

WehavehadnumerousqueriescentredaroundtheseEuropeanmaterals.

Aboutthetypos:TheonlyproblemwehaveencounterediswhentheYieldandUTShavebeen
transposed,andoneortwoyieldvaluesatelevatedtemperatureshavebeentransposed.
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Re:EN13480allowablestressesSh [Re:Ray_Delaforce] #1821105/22/08 09:18AM

corne
Member HiRay,

Registered:07/09/07
Posts:385 inthissituationitwasmymistake(ormaybethecodemakersone).
Loc:TheNetherlands IcheckedEN10028forplateandstripcausethatwasthecodeIhadaround.Forsome
reasonthereisabigdifferenceinbetweenEN10028,whichgives153N/mm2,andEN10216
(seamlesspipe)whichhas132N/mm2.

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Re:EN13480allowablestressesSh [Re:corne] #2202511/03/08 04:49AM

adisingh
Member Rayandcorne,

Registered:12/10/07
Posts:67 Appreciateforthegoodworkandbringingouttherareandimportanttopic.
Loc:india
Ireadthefcandfhcalculation,veryniceandinteresting.However,Ifoundacorrectionand
theprocessisrewrittenbelow:

TheruLingequationis
Fa=U(1.25fc+0.25fh)[Eh/Ec][Chapter12]

Andweneedtofindoutfcandfh.

fc=min[Rm/3f]Note:fiscalculatedwithequation5.2atroomtemp

&
fh=min[fcffcr]fiscalculatedwith5.2atcalculationtemp.


NOWLETSCALCULATE

1.fc

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Accordingto5.2,
f=min(Reh/1.5orRp0.2tRm/2.4)

Asperthetable4,EN102162,Rm=360MpaandRp0.2=235Mpa[roomtemp]

Thusf=min(235/1.5360/2.4)
f=150Mpa
Therefore,fromfc=min[Rm/3f]
fc=min[360/3150]
fc=120Mpa.

2.fh

Accordingto5.2,
f=min(Reh/1.5orRp0.2tRm/2.4)

Asperthetable4,EN102162,Rm=360MpaandRp0.2=132Mpa[calculationtemp300
degC]

Thusf=min(132/1.5360/2.4)=min[88150]=88Mpa
[Fcr=canbeskipped]

Therefore,fromfh=min[FcfFcr]=min[12088fcr]
fh=88Mpa

So,thefinalvalueforthematerialP235GHattemp300degreeC
Fc=120Mpa
Fh=88Mpa

ThereisacorrectioninFcvaluewithreferencetoRay`scalculation.

Yourclarificationwillbeentertained.


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Re:EN13480allowablestressesSh [Re:adisingh] #2209811/04/08 08:09AM

RichardAy
Member TheissuehereisnotthevaluesofFcorFh,whichifyoulookintheCAESARIImaterial
databasearethesamevaluesasyoulistabove.
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ThedifferencehereisthatbydefaultCAESARIIwilluse12.3.42insteadof12.1.31forthe
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Loc:Houston,Texas, expansionloadcase.Ifyouwanttouse12.1.31thengobacktotheinputandonthe"Special
USA ExecutionOptions"dialog,turnoff(uncheck)theoptionfor"LiberalStressAllowable".
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