Assuming for a moment that there was a kind of radical rabbi around the time

in question who would eventually be known as Jesus, not giving him any
particular divinity, the more I read the various texts, I get the feeling that any
sort of crucifixion that happened had a lot less to do with politics than it did
with personal revenge and a need to suppress widespread sorcery and
necromancy.

There are a number of disparate bits and pieces that leads me to think this
way.

The personal revenge story is this. In a story in one of the Infancy Gospel of
Thomas, Jesus magically kills a playmate of his, son of a man named Annas.
Later, in the Gospel of Luke a high priest named Annas, possibly the same
person, is cited as pushing hardest for Jesus's death.

Annas is particularly interested in getting Jesus to admit the source of his

power. At that time, soon after Lazarus had been raised from the dead, Jesus
was confronted by a number of fearful and angry townspeople and accused
by them of using the demon Beelzebub to raise Lazarus. In a very roundabout
way, Jesus essentially admits to it, claiming that by doing so he "divides and
conquers" the Devil's army of evil.

Jesus actually refers to himself as greater than Solomon, a noted sorcerer

who according to the Testament of Solomon, used demons to build the First
Temple. Jesus's statement is made specifically within the context of sorcery
and the casting out of demons.

Also, sorcery appears to be so rampant at the time that Jesus actually has a
lot of competitors. The disciples are much more worried about it that him,
saying that other people are casting out demons and saying they're Jesus
("using his name"). Jesus replies that anyone who does their sorcery in his
name is doing good, although in this context, it seems he's basically saying
that the imitators are good advertising for him and his work.

Maybe so, since the gospels leading up to the crucifixion are heavily weighted
toward all kinds of sorcery and healing and necromancy.
All of this would certainly be worrisome to the priests of the Temple,
particularly since the temple itself was built by demons under the command
of Solomon. The Temple is actually said to be held up on one corner by
demons.

Suddenly you get somebody who claims to be more powerful than Solomon,
and who seems to have the appropriate mojo, and who strolls into the Temple
and kicks the moneylenders out, now the Temple itself would be real in
danger.

Add to all of this the specific mention of the death of Yshua in Sanhedrin 43A
of the Talmud: There is a tradition (in a Barraitha): They hanged Yeshu on the
Sabbath of the Passover. But for forty days before that a herald went in front
of him (crying), "Yeshu is to be stoned because he practiced sorcery and
seduced Israel and lead them away from God. Anyone who can provide
evidence on his behalf should come forward to defend him." When, however,
nothing favorable about him was found, he was hanged on the Sabbath of the
Passover.

This puts a bit of a different spin on the whole execution of Jesus. It wasn't so
much that Jesus had such a wonderful philosophy that it threatened the
status quo, it was because one high priest personally wanted him dead to
avenge his son, and Jesus was a powerful sorcerer who was even more of a
direct threat to the Temple than the Romans.

Just some idle thoughts on the matter, what with Easter coming up and all.

[edit on 18-3-2008 by Nohup]

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posted on Mar, 19 2008 @ 03:18 link quote replyreply to post by Nohup

Very good post, you don't read much about the miricles and wonders or
socery that was a part of daily life in the time of Jesus of Nazereth.

I would love to know your take on Christian theology?

My positions is both religion and science are a devolution in the human

condition, born out of necessity for lack of power to overcome circumstance,
do to lost spirituality.

Human history is shaped by supernatural events and we rise and fall around
them.

What is your take on the whole religion science thing?

Do you believe an individual can manifest spiritual power in reality?

Do you think that Lazarus wasn't actually raised from the dead or Jesus did
not actually ascend into heaven that these were not actual events that they
did not literally happen but were just nice stories?