Engineers In Society

Engr. Mohd Fadel Bin Alwi (Coordinator)

Ass. Prof. Dr. Jiwa Bin Abdullah
Dr Xavier Ngu Toh lk
Shipun Anuar bin Hamzah
Sharifah binti Saon

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1.1 What is an Engineer?

An occupation whose principal duty is to
serve mankind.
Applying knowledge to create practical
devices, structures and processes.
In contrast: Scientist aims to seek
knowledge

What is Engineering
- the simplified definition

An engineer is a professional
practitioner of engineering, concerned
with applying scientific knowledge,
mathematics and ingenuity to design
and develop solutions for technological
systems problems.
Engineers design materials, structures, machines and
systems while considering the limitations imposed by
practicality, safety and cost.
The word engineer is derived from the Latin root ingenium,
meaning "cleverness".
Engineers are grounded in applied sciences, and are
distinguished from scientists whose focus is most often
research, and artists who create with a focus on aesthetics.

What is Engineering
- the simplified definition

is a discipline concerning
the creative application of scientific
knowledge to analyse, design, construct and
operate the products and services of societal
needs;
with full cognizance of the environment,
sustainable development and foremost the
safety, health and welfare to human life.
concerning ethics.

What is an Engineer? Cont

The term engineering is suggested by the
Accreditation Board for Engineering and
Technology, USA (ABET).

engineering - the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technologys

(ABET) definition:

identifies engineering as, the profession in which

knowledge of the mathematical and natural sciences
gained by study, experience, and practice is applied with
judgement to develop ways to utilize, economically, the
materials and forces of nature for the benefit of mankind.

Engineer
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Todays professional engineers

Todays professional engineers

demonstrate a personal and professional
commitment to society, to their
profession, and to the environment.
-ENGINEERING COUNCIL UK-

Roles, expertise and Scope of

Engineers

Roles and
Expertise
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Engineers are leaders to technicians,

craftsmen and workers.
An engineer is expected to design,
analysis, Specialization, Ethics,
Education, Regulation
An expected to innovate, make
decisions and foresee, identify, assess
and solve problems.
An engineer is not a passive employee.

An effective engineer
Understand the engineers obligation to
the public.
Practice safety at all times and be
sensitive to long-term issues.
Practice continuous learning.
Make it a point to hone communication
and presentation skills.

1.2a THE STRUCTURE OF ENGINEERING

ORGANIZATIONS IN MALAYSIA
BEM
The Board of Engineers Malaysia
Lembaga Jurutera Malaysia (LJM)
http://www.bem.org.my/

IEM
The Institution of Engineers Malaysia
Institusi Jurutera Malaysia (IJM)
http://www.iem.org.my/

Engineering in Malaysia
Institution of Engineers Malaysia (IEM)
1959.
The IEM is a learned society for
engineers and accreditation of
engineering degree programs.
Board of Engineers Malaysia (BEM)
responsible for registering engineers.

The Institution of Engineers Malaysia,

IEM
IEM is a society
established to promote
and advance the Science
and Profession of
Engineering in any or all
its disciplines and to
facilitate the exchange of
information and ideas
related to Engineering.

It is a professional
learned society serving
more than thousand
members in Malaysia,
overseas and the
communities in, which
they work. It was formed
in 1959. The Institution
is a qualifying body for
professional
engineers in Malaysia.

The Institution of Engineers Malaysia,

IEM
The Corporate member of the Institution can
apply to the Board of Engineers, Malaysia
(which is a registration body) for registration as
a Professional Engineer, which will entitle him to
set up practice.
Membership Grades: Student, Associate,
Affiliate, Incorporated, Graduate, Member,
Fellow.
Earn Bonus: registered as a student member, bring an evidence

1.2b STRUCTURE OF ENGINEERING

PROFESSION IN MALAYSIA
ENGINEERING PRACTICE
GOVERNED BY THE REGISTRATION OF
ENGINEERS ACT 1967 (Revised 2002)
no person is allowed to practice unless he is a
professional engineer
professional engineer may use Ir before his name
or PEng
PEng after his name

graduate engineer is required to register

before taking up employment as an
engineer

1.2b STRUCTURE OF ENGINEERING

PROFESSION IN MALAYSIA
GRADUATE ENGINEER

those who has

successfully
completed an
accredited
engineering
program

PROFESSIONAL
ENGINEER
a graduate engineer
who has obtained
the prescribed
practical experience,
passed the
Professional
Assessment
Examination, and
satisfied all other
requirements of BEM

CATEGORIES OF ENGINEER

1.2b STRUCTURE OF ENGINEERING

PROFESSION IN MALAYSIA
CATEGORIES OF ENGINEER - cont.
TEMPORARY ENGINEER
a foreign engineer who has satisfied all requirement of
the BEM

ACCREDITED CHECKER
a Professional Engineer who has min 10 years of
relevant experience and has satisfied all requirements
of the BEM

1.3 ROUTE TO PROFESSIONAL

ENGINEER

Listed below the steps which are necessary to enable

Graduate Engineers to be registered by the Board of
Engineers, Malaysia (BEM) as Professional Engineers
(P.Eng).
1) Register with the Board of Engineers upon graduation
as it is compulsory under the Engineers Act 1967 for
all practising engineers to register with the Board.
2) All Graduate engineers are required to complete at
least THREE (3) years of relevant work experience
after graduation with an accredited engineering
degree. These training stints should as far as possible
be completed under the guidance of a P.Eng who is in
the same discipline as the Graduate engineer.

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REQUIREMENTS & PROCEDURES

ROUTE TO PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER

STATUS

After registration with the Board, the engineers could

approach towards their objectives of obtaining P.Eng
either on their own or through the IEM.

Once the candidates complete their training (either on

their own or through the IEM), the next step for them is to
sit for the Professional Interview conducted by IEM or
BEM.

Once they pass this Professional Interview (which

consists of oral questions and essay writing), they are
then eligible to apply to the BEM to be registered as
P.Eng and could be admitted as Corporate Members of
IEM.

ROUTE TO PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER

STATUS
The practical experience that a registered Graduate
Engineer is required to obtain under Section 10 (I)(b) of
the Act in order to be entitled to apply for registration as
a Professional Engineer for a period of not less than
THREE (3) years
a)

General Training which should link the conceptual

analytical abilities developed during the degree course
with its wide application in industry and give sound base
for professional development, for a period of not less
than TWO (2) years of which up to twelve months of
relevant, accredited recognised industrial training during
the undergraduate course may be credited.

ROUTE TO PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER

STATUS
b)

Professional Career Development Training, which will

provide exposure to skills awareness, management,
responsibility, teamwork, logical approach etc. for a
period of not less than TWO years.
c) Satisfactory Attendance in the following course
conducted by BEM or institution approved by BEM.
(i) Code of Ethics 12 hrs
(ii) Occupational Safety and Health at work, relevant
bylaws / regulation 12 hrs
(iii) Engineering Management Practice 12 hrs
(iv) Topics related to branch of engineering 24 hrs
(d) Completion of not less than 30 units of professional
development which includes attendance at talks,
seminars, meetings and community services.

Professional Assessment Examination

http://www.bem.org.my/v3/app_PEM.html

1.

PAE will consist of professional interview, followed by

essay writing.
2. In the professional interview, the practical experience of
the candidate will be assessed by the Examiners both
on time and quality basis.
3. The Examiners shall test the candidate during the
interview on the following aspects:
a. Understanding of the application of engineering
principles to the solution of problems arising from the
investigation, planning, design, construction,
operation or maintenance of engineering works; or
on the subject of his research; and
b. the ability to communicate.

Professional Assessment Examination

http://www.bem.org.my/v3/app_PEM.html

1.

2.

3.
4.

The candidate is required to write two essays, one each

from section A and section B. Section A is for an essay
related to the candidate's training and experience as
stated in his report. Essay for section B will be on the
code of ethics.
The candidate will be required to choose one out of two
questions from section A. The candidate is also required
to answer a question from two alternative questions
selected by the examiners on code of professional
conduct (Section B).
1 1/2 hours will be allowed for each written paper.
The essays are intended primarily to test the candidate's
ability to marshal his knowledge and thoughts and to
express them in words in a clear and concise manner.

1.4 BOARD OF ENGINEERS

Establishment of Board of Engineers.
3(1) For the purposes of this Act there is hereby
established a board to be called "Board of
Engineers", which shall be a body corporate
with perpetual succession and a common seal
and which may sue and be sued.
4(1) The functions of the Board of Engineers
Malaysia (BEM) Registration & Regulation of
Engineers.

Functions of the Board

- on Ethics For the purposes of this Act there is hereby
established a board to be called "Board of
Engineers", Malaysia (BEM). The functions of
the Board shall be among others:
to hear and determine disputes relating to
professional conduct or ethics of registered
Engineers;
to determine and regulate the conduct and
ethics of the engineering profession;

REGISTRATION OF ENGINEERS

Section 5. (1) The Board shall keep and maintain a

Register which shall be in five Parts, that is to say (a) Part B - which shall contain the names, addresses and other
particulars of Graduate Engineers;
Engineers
(b) Part A - which shall contain the names, addresses and other
particulars of Professional Engineers;
Engineers
(c) Part C - which shall contain the names, addresses and other
particulars of Temporary Engineers;
Engineers
(e) Part E - which shall contain the names, addresses and other
particulars of Accredited Checkers.
Checkers
(d) Part D which shall contain the names, addresses and
other particulars of Engineering consultancy practices;
practices

Registered Engineer"
means a Graduate Engineer, Professional
Engineer, Temporary Engineer or
Accredited Checker.
registered with the Board under Subsections
10(1); 10(2); and Sections 10A; 10B;
respectively.

Graduate Engineer" means a person registered under

subsection 10(1);

10(1) (a) Subject to this Act, a person who holds

(i) the qualifications required for Graduate Membership of the
Institution of Engineers (Malaysia) and which are recognised
by the Board; or
(ii) any qualification in engineering which is recognised by the
Board,

shall be entitled on application to be registered as a

Graduate Engineer.
(b) Subject to this Act, a person who is registered as a
Graduate Engineer under paragraph (a) shall be required to
obtain such practical experience as may be prescribed by
the Board in order to be entitled to apply for registration as a

Professional Engineer under subsection 10(2).

"Professional Engineer" means an Engineer registered

under subsection 10(2);

10(2) Subject to this Act, the following persons shall be

entitled on application to be registered as Professional
Engineers:
(i) any person who (a) is registered as a Graduate Engineer and has obtained the
practical experience as prescribed under paragraph 10(1)(b);
(b) has passed a professional assessment examination
conducted by the Board, or is a Corporate Member of the
Institution of Engineers (Malaysia); and
(c) has complied with all the requirements of the Board;

"Temporary Engineer" means a person registered under

section 10A;

10A (2) A foreign engineer may be considered for

registration as a Temporary Engineer if he satisfies the
Board that (a) he possesses the necessary qualification which is
recognised for the practice of engineering as a professional
engineer in the country where he normally practises; and
(b) he possesses the necessary expertise and his physical
presence is required in Malaysia for not less than one
hundred and eighty days in one calendar year or he is a
resident representative of the foreign component of a jointventure.

"Accredited Checker" means a person registered under

Section 10B;

10B (1) The Board may register a person as an

Accredited Checker if
(a) he is a Professional Engineer registered in the relevant
branch of engineering approved by the Board,
(b) he has at least 10 years relevant practical experience in the
design and construction of buildings as defined in the Street,
Drainage and Building Act 1974 [Act 133]; and
(c) he satisfies the Board that by virtue of his ability, standing in
the profession, special knowledge or practical experience,
he is qualified to be registered under this Act.

"Engineering consultancy
practice"
means a sole proprietorship, partnership or
body corporate, providing professional
engineering services.
registered with the Board under Sections 7A or
7B (including architectural consultancy and/or
quantity surveying services);

Professional engineering
services"
means engineering services and advice in
connection with any feasibility study,
planning, survey, design, construction,
commissioning, operation, maintenance
and management of engineering works
or projects,
and includes any other engineering services
approved by the Board;

Restriction on employment of unregistered

person to provide professional engineering
services.

Section 24A.
(1) No person shall employ a person, sole
proprietorship, partnership or body corporate,
other than a registered Engineer or an
Engineering consultancy practice,
practice to perform
professional engineering services.
services

Only Professional Engineer and Engineering

consultancy practice may submit plans, drawings.

8. (1) Except as otherwise provided under any

other written law, no person or body, other than
a Professional Engineer who is residing and
practising in Malaysia or an Engineering
consultancy practice providing professional
engineering services in Malaysia, shall be
entitled to submit plans, engineering surveys,
drawings, schemes, proposals, reports, designs
or studies to any person or authority in Malaysia.

THE 10 GENERIC ATTRIBUTES OF A

GRADUATE ENGINEER
Graduates from accredited program should have the following
attributes:
1. Ability to acquire and apply knowledge of science and
engineering fundamental;
2. Acquired in-depth technical competence in a specific
engineering discipline;
3. Ability to undertake problem identification, formulation and
solution;
4. Ability to utilize a systems approach to design and evaluate
operational performance;
5. Understanding of the principles of design for sustainable
development;
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THE 10 GENERIC ATTRIBUTES OF A

GRADUATE ENGINEER
(continue)
6. Understanding of professional and ethical responsibilities and
commitment to them;
7. Ability to communicate effectively, not only with engineers but
also with the community at large;
8. Ability to function effectively as an individual and in a group
with the capacity to be a leader or manager;
9. Understanding of the social, cultural, global and environmental
responsibilities of a professional engineer; and
10. Recognizing the need to undertake life-long learning, and
possessing/acquiring the capacity to do so.

Core Issues and Challenges in

Engineering Ethics

The importance of honesty in engineering, the various forms of

dishonesty, and how a conflict of interest can compromise an
engineers judgment.
Issues of risk in engineering such as how risk should be defined
and how much risk is acceptable.
Engineer-manager conflicts within the context of a company or
organization, the tensions that can result from the engineermanager relationship and how these conflicts might be resolved.
Some impediments to responsible action to be considered. To
explore and apply these challenges in the context of
contemporary issues.
Their impact on society and the country - government agencies,
law enforcement, public behaviour, social maturity, political
parties, etc.

Professional Obligations
Engineers are encouraged to adhere to
the principles of sustainable development
in order to protect the environment for
future generations.

Notes on the Code of Professional Conduct,

Board of Engineers, Malaysia

The Engineering Professional plays a paramount role in a

developing country such as ours. The work of engineers
shapes the physical environment of society, and has a profound
effect on the economic growth and development of the nation.
It is therefore essential that the members of the engineering
profession should always perform their duties to the highest
standards of professional integrity. They should maintain the
dignity of the profession, and not be led astray by commercial
motives into performing actions which are not for the good of the
profession as a whole, or for the good of society in general.
The Code of Professional Conduct describes the professional
behaviour of Engineers.
The Institution of Engineers, Malaysia.

ENGINEER

Roles and expertise

Design
Many engineers develop new technological solutions. During the engineering design process,
the responsibilities of the engineer may include defining problems, conducting and narrowing
research, analyzing criteria, finding and analyzing solutions, and making decisions. Much of
some engineers' time is spent on researching, locating, applying, and transferring information.
Some engineers must weigh different design choices on their merits and choose the solution
that best matches the requirements. Their crucial and unique task is to identify, understand,
and interpret the constraints on a design in order to produce a successful result.
Analysis
Engineers apply techniques of engineering analysis in testing, production, or maintenance.
Analytical engineers may supervise production in factories and elsewhere, determine the
causes of a process failure, and test output to maintain quality. They also estimate the time and
cost required to complete projects. Supervisory engineers are responsible for major
components or entire projects. Engineering analysis involves the application of scientific
analytic principles and processes to reveal the properties and state of the system, device or
mechanism under study. Engineering analysis proceeds by separating the engineering design
into the mechanisms of operation or failure, analysing or estimating each component of the
operation or failure mechanism in isolation, and re-combining the components. They may
analyse risk.[5] [6] [7] [8].
Many engineers use computers to produce and analyze designs, to simulate and test how a
machine, structure, or system operates, to generate specifications for parts, to monitor the
quality of products, and to control the efficiency of processes.

Specialization
Most engineers specialize. Numerous specialties are recognized by professional societies, and
each of the major branches of engineering has numerous subdivisions. Civil engineering, for
example, includes structural and transportation engineering, and materials engineering
includes ceramic, metallurgical, and polymer engineering. Engineers also may specialize in
one industry, such as motor vehicles, or in one type of technology, such as turbines or
semiconductor materials.
Ethics

Main article: Engineering ethics

Engineers have obligations to the public, their clients, employers and the profession. Many
engineering societies have established codes of practice and codes of ethics to guide members
and inform the public at large. Each engineering discipline and professional society maintains
a code of ethics, which the members pledge to uphold. Depending on their specializations,
engineers may also be governed by specific statute, whistleblowing, product liability laws, and
often the principles of business ethics.
Some graduates of engineering programs in North America may be recognized by the Iron
Ring or Engineer's Ring, a ring made of iron or stainless steel that is worn on the little finger
of the dominant hand. This tradition began in 1925 in Canada with The Ritual of the Calling of
an Engineer, where the ring serves as a symbol and reminder of the engineer's obligations for
the engineering profession. In 1972, the practice was adopted by several colleges in the United
States including members of the Order of the Engineer.
Education
Main article: Engineering education
Most engineering programs involve a concentration of study in an engineering specialty, along
with courses in both mathematics and the physical and life sciences. Many programs also
include courses in general engineering. A design course, sometimes accompanied by a
computer or laboratory class or both, is part of the curriculum of most programs. Often,
general courses not directly related to engineering, such as those in the social sciences or
humanities, also are required.
Graduate training is essential for engineering faculty positions and some research and
development programs, but is not required for the majority of entry-level engineering jobs.
Many experienced engineers obtain graduate degrees in engineering or business administration
to learn new technology and broaden their education. Numerous high-level executives in
government and industry began their careers as engineers.
Accreditation is the process by which engineering program are evaluated by an external body
to determine if applicable standards are met. The Washington Accord serves as an
international accreditation agreement for academic engineering degrees, recognizing the
substantial equivalency in the standards set by many major national engineering bodies. In the
United States, post-secondary degree programs in engineering are accredited by the
Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology. In much of Europe and the
Commonwealth professional accreditation is provided by Engineering Institutions, such as the
Institution of Civil Engineers from the United Kingdom. ok
Regulation
Main article: Professional Engineer

In most Western countries, certain engineering tasks, such as the design of bridges, electric
power plants, and chemical plants, must be approved by a licensed Professional Engineer, a
Chartered Engineer, or an Incorporated Engineer. A licensed engineer often indicates the
status with the use of post-nominal letters; PE or P.Eng is common in North America, EUR
ING in Europe, while CEng and IEng is used in the United Kingdom and CEng in much of the
Commonwealth.
In the United States, licensure is generally attainable through combination of education, preexamination (Fundamentals of Engineering exam), examination (Professional Engineering
Exam)[9], and engineering experience (typically in the area of 5+ years). Each state tests and
licenses Professional Engineers. Currently most states do not license by specific engineering
discipline, but rather provide generalized licensure, and trust engineers to use professional
judgment regarding their individual competencies; this is the favored approach of the
professional societies. Despite this, however, at least one of the examinations required by most
states is actually focused on a particular discipline; candidates for licensure typically choose
the category of examination which comes closest to their respective expertise.
In Canada, the profession in each province is governed by its own engineering association. For
instance, in the Province of British Columbia an engineering graduate with 4 or more years of
post graduate experience in an engineering-related field, and passing exams in ethics and law
will need to be registered by the Association for Professional Engineers and Geoscientists
(APEGBC) [10] in order to become a Professional Engineer and be granted the professional
designation of P.Eng.
In Continental Europe, Latin America, Turkey, and elsewhere the title is limited by law to
people with an engineering degree, and the use of the title by others is illegal. In Italy the title
is limited to people who both hold an engineering degree and have passed a professional
qualification examination (Esame di Stato). In Portugal, professional engineer titles and
accredited engineering degrees are regulated and certified by the Ordem dos Engenheiros. In
the Czech Republic the title "engineer" (Ing.) is given to people with a (masters) degree in
chemistry, technology or economics for historical and traditional reasons. In Greece the
academic title of "Diploma Engineer" is awarded after completion of the five-year engineering
study course, and the title of "Certified Engineer" is awarded after completion of the four-year
course of engineering studies at a Technological Educational Institute (TEI).

Perception of engineers
Within organizations
In companies and other organizations in many English-speaking countries there is a tendency
to undervalue people with technical and scientific skills compared to managers. In his book
The Mythical Man-Month[11], Fred Brooks Jr says that managers think of senior people as "too
valuable" for technical tasks, and that management jobs carry higher prestige. He tells how
some laboratories, such as Bell Labs, abolish all job titles to overcome this problem: a

professional employee is a "member of the technical staff." IBM maintain a dual ladder of
advancement; the corresponding managerial and technical rungs are equivalent. Brooks
recommends that structures need to be changed; the boss must give a great deal of attention to
keeping his managers and his technical people as interchangeable as their talents allow.
In many other countries technical experts are more highly regarded.
Public perception
Engineering is generally a well respected profession. British school children in the 1950s were
brought up with stirring tales of 'the Victorian Engineers', chief amongst whom were the
Brunels, the Stephensons, Telford and their contemporaries. In Canada, engineering ranks as
one of the public's most trusted professions.[12] In India, engineering is one of the most sought
after undergraduate courses, inviting thousands of applicants to try their luck in highly
competitive entrance examinations.
Sometimes engineering has been seen as a somewhat dry, uninteresting field in popular
culture, and has also been thought to be the domain of nerds[citation needed]. For example, the
cartoon character Dilbert is an engineer. One difficulty in increasing public awareness of the
profession is that average people, in the typical run of ordinary life, do not ever have any
personal dealings with engineers, even though they benefit from their work every day. By
contrast, it is common to visit a doctor at least once a year, the chartered accountant at tax
time, and, occasionally, even a lawyer.
In fiction
Further information: List of fictional scientists and engineers
In science fiction engineers are often portrayed as highly knowledgeable and respectable
individuals who understand the overwhelming future technologies often portrayed in the
genre. Several Star Trek characters are engineers

ROUTE TO PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN MALAYSIA

There are two ways to become a professional engineer in Malaysia:

a) Through BEM ===> By sitting for their PAE (Professional Assessment
Examination)
-

In order to be able to sit for their PAE you MUST have a minimum of 3 years of
working experience.

Your 3 years of working experience ONLY STARTS counting after you have
registered with the BEM.

Eg. In the year 2009 you have been effectively working for 10 years but you have
registered with the BEM only in 2008. That means you only have 1 year of working
experience in their clock. Therefore, all fresh graduates please register with the BEM
ASAP after your graduation. It is supposed to be illegal for you to work in the capacity
of an engineer without a registration with the BEM.
-

The second requirement before you can sit for their PAE is to complete 60 hours
of BEM mandatory courses known as the PDP (Professional Development
Programme).

Once you have sat and passed the PAE you will gain your P.Eng and hence,
entitled to use the title Ir.
Eg. Ir. Dr. Jeffrey Han B.Eng(Hons), Phd (Mech), P.Eng

b) Through IEM ===> By sitting for their PI (Professional Interview)

Before even talking about the PI, a fresh graduate is encouraged to register with the
IEM as a graduate engineer. Once you have registered with the IEM as a graduate
engineer, you are entitled to the title Engr. As simple as that.
Eg. Engr. Dr. Jeffrey Han B.Eng(Hons), Phd (Mech), GM.I.E.M
-

Once you are a graduate member, you can then proceed on to become their
corporate member which consists of the bulk of the IEM membership.
Note: It is not mandatory to become a graduate member first before becoming a
corporate member.

In order to become a corporate member, you have to first sit for the PI.
Note: The PAE by BEM is EXACTLY the same as the PI by IEM. In fact the PAE
is run by the same people that organizes the PI.

In order to be able to sit for the PI, applicants SHOULD have at least a minimum
of 3 years of working experience. It will be virtually impossible to pass the PI if
you have less than 3 years of working experience since you will most probably
have insufficient materials to be put in your report.

Note: It is not necessary to become a graduate member first before you can sit for the
PI and there is no IEM clock that counts your working experience. If you have been
working for 10 years, you will then have 10 years of working experience as far as IEM is
concerned.
Once you have sat and passed the PI, you are entitled to use the title Engr. (Same title
as the graduate engineer)
Eg. Engr. Dr. Jeffrey Han B.Eng(Hons), Phd (Mech), M.I.E.M
- Once you have your Engr. (M.I.E.M) you can then proceed to top up with the Ir (P.Eng)
from BEM. There are two scenarios:
===> If you have not registered with the BEM, go register with them and wait three
years before getting your P.Eng. You must also complete the
60 hours of BEM mandatory courses known as the PDP.
===> If you have registered with the BEM and have three years of working experience
according to their clock, you can get your P.Eng. immediately. You must also
complete the 60 hours of BEM mandatory courses known as the PDP.
Once scenario 1 and 2 are covered, you will have the privillege to use the titles:
Eg. Ir. Dr. Jeffrey Han B.Eng(Hons), Phd (Mech), P.Eng, M.I.E.M ===> Normally people
will use Ir. only if they have both the Ir. and Engr.
Notes:
1)
If you have to approve or/and submit layouts/designs to the approving authority,
P.Eng is mandatory. But if you are working in the manufacturing sector for
instance, you can opt just for the M.I.E.M. Getting either/both the P.Eng or the
M.I.E.M is a great personal satisfaction if you ask me and they look absolutely
fabulous on your resume.
2)

Once you get your P.Eng from BEM, you will have to renew your "license" every
year in order to be able to continue to use the title Ir. Before you can renew your
license, you must complete 40 hours (I may be wrong) of CPD (Continuous
Professional Development).

PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER REQUIREMENTS & PROCEDURES

Any candidate who applies for registration as a Professional Engineer must:

1. Be registered as a Graduate Engineer with BEM; and
2. Have satisfied the training requirements of BEM; and
3. Have passed the Professional Assessment Examination (PAE) of BEM or be
elected as a Corporate Member of the Institution of Engineers Malaysia (IEM);
and
4. Have been residing in Malaysia for a period of not less than six months
immediately prior to the date of application.

APPLICATION FOR REGISTRATION

1. Application shall be made in Form B1.
2. On approval of the application, the candidate is required to pay a registration fee
of RM350.00 within two months of the date of notification of such approval.
3. On payment of the registration fee, a certificate of registration in Form D1 will be
issued.

TRAINING REQUIREMENTS
1. A registered Graduate Engineer is required under Section 10(1)(b) of the Act to
obtain practical experience in order to be entitled to sit for the Professional
Assessment Examination (PAE) which is a prerequisite to apply for registration
as a Professional Engineer.
2. The candidate shall carry out the practical experience in the following manner as
prescribed in Regulation 22(1) of the Registration of Engineers Regulations
1990:
The practical experience that a registered Graduate Engineer is required to obtain
under section 10 (1) (b) of the Act in order to be entitled to apply for registration as a
Professional Engineer shall be carried out in a manner satisfactory to the Board for a
period of three years
a. in the planning, design, execution or management of such works as comprised
within the profession of engineering;
b. in engineering research; or
c. in the teaching in a course leading to a qualification in engineering research; or in
the teaching in a course leading to a qualification approved by the Board, and at

3. This period of training in a local environment is greatly emphasized by BEM as it

is of paramount importance for the prospective Professional Engineers to be
familiar with the local conditions and by - laws so that they can comply and
practice effectively in Malaysia.
4. Notwithstanding the above, regulation 22(2) stipulates that if the Board is
satisfied for sufficient cause or reason, the Board may in any particular case
exempt either wholly or partly the requirements as to the practical experience
required to be obtained in Malaysia or the requirement as to the supervision by a
registered Professional Engineer in Malaysia; provided that the total practical
experience to be obtained shall not be less than three years.
5. Where there is no Professional Engineer of the same or allied discipline as the
candidate in the organisation in which the candidate is working, he may seek the
approval from BEM to obtain a Professional Engineer from outside his
organisation to supervise his training.
6. After the candidate has completed the required prescribed training, he may apply
to sit for the Professional Assessment Examination conducted by BEM.

ENQUIRIES
All application and enquiries pertaining to registration & accreditation shall be
addressed to:
Registration Department
Board of Engineers Malaysia
Tingkat 17, Ibu Pejabat JKR
Kompleks Kerja Raya Malaysia
Jalan Sultan Salahuddin
50580 Kuala Lumpur
Tel: 03-2691 1011
ext. 7095/7096
03-2696 7095 / 7096
Fax: 03 - 2692 5017
E-mail: application@bem.org.my

Monday, April 27, 2009

Practicing Engineering & Route To Professional Engineer in MALAYSIA

If you are practicing engineer in Malaysia regardless you are Malaysian or Foreign
citizen, you shall continue reading...
Graduate Engineers
First of all, if you are Malaysian and practicing engineering in Malaysia, you shall be
register yourself as Graduate Engineer to Board of Engineer Malaysia (BEM). Failing of
registration to BEM is considered ILLEGAL under the Registration of Engineers Act
1967 (revised 2002).
The basic requirement to be qualified for registration as Graduate Engineer is you shall
obtain one of the following :
a. An engineering degree accredited / recognised by BEM available in an approved list
maintained by BEM or;
b. Pass in Part I & Part II of the Engineering Council Examination of United Kingdom or;
c. Pass in Part I & Part II of the IEM/BEM Graduate Examination in any particular
branch.
Details of registration can refer to GRADUATE ENGINEERS Requirements and
Procedures and form ready for downloaded from BEM website.
Temporary Engineers
If you are foreign citizen and practicing engineering in Malaysia, you shall register
yourself as Temporary Engineer in Board of Engineer Malaysia (BEM). Similarly failing
of registration to BEM is considered ILLEGAL under the Registration of Engineers Act
1967 (revised 2002).
Details of registration can refer to "TEMPORARY ENGINEERS Requirements and
Procedures and form ready for downloaded from BEM website.
Professional Engineers
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Previously, there were 2 methods to become Professional Engineer (PE) in Malaysia.

Method 1 :
Previously, graduate engineer worked under Professional Engineer (PE) with same
discipline for number of years as stipulated, prepare log book (quarterly), summary of
experiences, accumulate enough credit hours and attend Professional Assessment
Examination (PAE) organize by Board of Engineer Malaysia (BEM). Read circular here http://www.bem.org.my/cpd/19sept2005/pdpcircular2-2005.doc
If you login to BEM website, you may still find above method (as of 20 Dec 2007) is
valid. However, recent confirmation with BEM, BEM has TEMPORARY STOP
conducting any Professional Assessment Examination (PAE) from 1st JAN 2007. Thus,
this method may not work for time being until further notice.
Method 2 :
Worked under Professional Engineer (PE) with same discipline for number of years as
stipulated (e.g minimum 3 years for those graduated prior to 01 Jan 1998 and minimum
4 years for those graduated after 01 Jan 1998) , prepare log book (quarterly) or detailed
report, summary of experiences and attend Professional Interview (PI) organize by The
Institution of Engineers, Malaysia (IEM). Once you get your corporate membership
(MIEM) with IEM, you may apply to BEM to obtain PE status.
The log book may be accumulated experiences for every quarter and endorsed by
Professional Engineer (PE) you work with. However, the detailed report may be
prepared for knowledge and experiences gained in ONE of the project within the
stipulated period and endorsed by Professional Engineer (PE) you work with.
For the Professional Interview (PI), you have to attend a one (1) Professional Interview
conducted by TWO Professional Interviewers and write two essays (normally one
related to technical and another related to ethic and professional conduct)
You may click the links to download the example of log book and summary format.

Difference Role between BEM and IEM

Some of you may some confusion between BEM and IEM.
BEM is government body
authority to ensure all practicing engineer in compliance to MALAYSIA's LAW in
engineering related. Once you are certified by BEM, you are Professional Engineer (PE)
and you can apply Ir. in front of you name i.e. Ir. JoeWong
IEM is professional body

a body promote professionalism and encourage continuous learning. Provide

professional opinion to BEM whenever required. NO authority at all in legal terms. Once
you are approved by IEM as member, you are Corporate member of IEM and you can
apply ENGR at the end or below your name.
Two Cents advice
i) As BEM temporary STOP to conduct any PAE, it may extends to no-date. Do not wait
for BEM. Register to IEM immediately. However if you still have doubt, you may contact
BEM (application@bem.org.my).
ii) Application via IEM, you only have to prepare & submit log book (OR detailed report)
and summary of experiences, pass the professional interview and essay writing (2 nos),
be a member of IEM and apply to BEM as PE. In my opinion, this method is pretty
simple and time saving (even though method 1 via BEM still available).
iii) If you are lazy man or have no time to prepare the log book, you still have the
chance to prepare a detailed report. Method 2 would allow you to do so.

I am registered PE (under BEM) in MALAYSIA as well as Corporate Member of IEM.

Those, i have Ir. in front of my name and Engr below my name.
I just copy some responses to queries raised by Young Engineer
What're the PROs & CONs as PE ?
If you are good and fit engineer, you shall progress yourself to PE status. NO
QUESTION on PROs and CONs. You should not give yourself a choice because you
called yourself ENGINEER.
Why should i register to BEM if i practising engineering in MALAYSIA ?
First and the essential step is if your are practising engineering in any aspect, it is
mandatory to register yourself as Graduates engineer to BEM. This is govern by ACT !
I know many practising engineers ignore this...PLEASE register yourself to BEM as
Graduate engineer. Otherwise you are ILLEGAL workforce !!!
BEM ? IEM ??
BEM is government body
- authority to ensure all practising engineer in compliance to MALAYSIA's LAW in
engineering related. Once you are certified by BEM, you are Professional Engineer (PE)
and you can apply Ir. in front of you name i.e. PhD holder with title of Dr.

IEM is professional body

- a body promote professionalism and encourage continuous learning. Provide
professional opinion to BEM whenever required. NO authority at all in legal terms. Once
you are approved by IEM as member, you are Corporate member of IEM and you can
apply ENGR at the end or below you name.

Authority organization (BE, UK ?) in UK...(those who know, please furnish here)

- Similar to BEM...law related stuff. Once you are certified, you are PE.
IChemE - Professional body similar to formal IJKM (Institute Jurutera Kimia Malaysia) or
MIEM (not 100%)
- works on promoting professionalism. Once you are approved, you are Chartered
Engineer, CE if not mistaken
Again, THERE's NO ACKNOWLEDGMENT and AGREEMENT between them.
P.S. : Recently IChemE is has raised some discussion with IEM on this issue...however
there's not conclusion.

$$$ ???
An engineer...RM4000-6000 ? A good and fit engineer can get 5 figure (per month)
income...
Being a PE would be a "guideline" to other who don't know you. BUT, this does not
mean a PE is always a good engineer.

Graduate Engineers
First of all, if you are Malaysian and practicing engineering in Malaysia, you shall be
register yourself as Graduate Engineer to Board of Engineer Malaysia (BEM). Failing
of registration to BEM is considered ILLEGAL under the Registration of Engineers
Act 1967 (revised 2002).
The basic requirement to be qualified for registration as Graduate Engineer is you shall
obtain one of the following :
a. An engineering degree accredited / recognised by BEM available in an approved list
maintained by BEM or;
b. Pass in Part I & Part II of the Engineering Council Examination of United Kingdom or;
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c. Pass in Part I & Part II of the IEM/BEM Graduate Examination in any particular
branch.
Details of registration can refer to GRADUATE ENGINEERS Requirements and
Procedures and form ready for downloaded from BEM website.
Temporary Engineers
If you are foreign citizen and practicing engineering in Malaysia, you shall register
yourself as Temporary Engineer in Board of Engineer Malaysia (BEM). Similarly failing
of registration to BEM is considered ILLEGAL under the Registration of Engineers Act
1967 (revised 2002).
Details of registration can refer to "TEMPORARY ENGINEERS Requirements and
Procedures and form ready for downloaded from BEM website.
Professional Engineers
Previously, there were 2 methods to become Professional Engineer (PE) in Malaysia.
Method 1 :
Previously, graduate engineer worked under Professional Engineer (PE) with same
discipline for number of years as stipulated, prepare log book (quarterly), summary of
experiences, accumulate enough credit hours and attend Professional Assessment
Examination (PAE) organize by Board of Engineer Malaysia (BEM). Read circular here http://www.bem.org.my/cpd/19sept2005/pdpcircular2-2005.doc
If you login to BEM website, you may still find above method (as of 20 Dec 2007) is
valid. However, recent confirmation with BEM, BEM has TEMPORARY STOP
conducting any Professional Assessment Examination (PAE) from 1st JAN 2007.
Thus, this method may not work for time being until further notice.
Method 2 :
Worked under Professional Engineer (PE) with same discipline for number of years as
stipulated (e.g minimum 3 years for those graduated prior to 01 Jan 1998 and minimum
4 years for those graduated after 01 Jan 1998) , prepare log book (quarterly) or detailed
report, summary of experiences and attend Professional Interview (PI) organize by
The Institution of Engineers, Malaysia (IEM). Once you get your corporate membership
(MIEM) with IEM, you may apply to BEM to obtain PE status.
The log book may be accumulated experiences for every quarter and endorsed by
Professional Engineer (PE) you work with. However, the detailed report may be
prepared for knowledge and experiences gained in ONE of the project within the
stipulated period and endorsed by Professional Engineer (PE) you work with.
For the Professional Interview (PI), you have to attend a one (1) Professional
Interview conducted by TWO Professional Interviewers and write two essays (normally

one related to technical and another related to ethic and professional conduct)
You may click the links to download the example of log book and summary format.

Difference Role between BEM and IEM

Some of you may some confusion between BEM and IEM.
BEM is government body
authority to ensure all practicing engineer in compliance to MALAYSIA's LAW in
engineering related. Once you are certified by BEM, you are Professional Engineer (PE)
and you can apply Ir. in front of you name i.e. Ir. JoeWong
IEM is professional body
a body promote professionalism and encourage continuous learning. Provide
professional opinion to BEM whenever required. NO authority at all in legal terms. Once
you are approved by IEM as member, you are Corporate member of IEM and you can
apply ENGR at the end or below your name.
Two Cents advice
i) As BEM temporary STOP to conduct any PAE, it may extends to no-date. Do not wait
for BEM. Register to IEM immediately. However if you still have doubt, you may contact
BEM (application@bem.org.my).
ii) Application via IEM, you only have to prepare & submit log book (OR detailed report)
and summary of experiences, pass the professional interview and essay writing (2 nos),
be a member of IEM and apply to BEM as PE. In my opinion, this method is pretty
simple and time saving (even though method 1 via BEM still available).
iii) If you are lazy man or have no time to prepare the log book, you still have the
chance to prepare a detailed report. Method 2 would allow you to do so.

There are two ways to become a professional engineer in Malaysia:

a) Through BEM ===> By sitting for their PAE (Professional Assessment Examination)
- In order to be able to sit for their PAE you MUST have a minimum of 3 years of
working experience.
- Your 3 years of working experience ONLY STARTS counting after you have
registered with the BEM.
- Eg. In the year 2009 you have been effectively working for 10 years but you have
registered with the BEM only in 2008. That means you only
have 1 year of working experience in their clock. Therefore, all fresh graduates please

register with the BEM ASAP after your graduation. It is

supposed to be illegal for you to work in the capacity of an engineer without a
registration with the BEM.
- The second requirement before you can sit for their PAE is to complete 60 hours of
BEM mandatory courses known as the PDP (Professional
Development Programme). PS: My abbreviation for PDP may be wrong.
- Once you have sat and passed the PAE you will gain your P.Eng and hence, entitled
to use the title Ir.
Eg. Ir. Dr. Jeffrey Han B.Eng(Hons), Phd (Mech), P.Eng

b) Through IEM ===> By sitting for their PI (Professional Interview)

- Before even talking about the PI, a fresh graduate is encouraged to register with the
IEM as a graduate engineer. Once you have registered with
the IEM as a graduate engineer, you are entitled to the title Engr. As simple as that.
Eg. Engr. Dr. Jeffrey Han B.Eng(Hons), Phd (Mech), GM.I.E.M
- Once you are a graduate member, you can then proceed on to become their corporate
member which consists of the bulk of the IEM membership.
Note: It is not mandatory to become a graduate member first before becoming a
corporate member.
- In order to become a corporate member, you have to first sit for the PI.
Note: The PAE by BEM is EXACTLY the same as the PI by IEM. In fact the PAE is run
by the same people that organizes the PI.
- In order to be able to sit for the PI, applicants SHOULD have at least a minimum of 3
years of working experience. It will be virtually
impossible to pass the PI if you have less than 3 years of working experience since you
will most probably have insufficient materials to be put in
your report.
Note: It is not necessary to become a graduate member first before you can sit for the
PI and there is no IEM clock that counts your working
experience. If you have been working for 10 years, you will then have 10 years of
working experience as far as IEM is concerned.
- Once you have sat and passed the PI, you are entitled to use the title Engr. (Same title
as the graduate engineer)
Eg. Engr. Dr. Jeffrey Han B.Eng(Hons), Phd (Mech), M.I.E.M
- Once you have your Engr. (M.I.E.M) you can then proceed to top up with the Ir (P.Eng)
from BEM. There are two scenarios:

===> If you have not registered with the BEM, go register with them and wait three
years before getting your P.Eng. You must also complete the
60 hours of BEM mandatory courses known as the PDP.
===> If you have registered with the BEM and have three years of woking experience
according to their clock, you can get your P.Eng.
immediately. You must also complete the 60 hours of BEM mandatory courses known
as the PDP.
Once scenario 1 and 2 are covered, you will have the privillege to use the titles:
Eg. Ir. Dr. Jeffrey Han B.Eng(Hons), Phd (Mech), P.Eng, M.I.E.M ===> Normally people
will use Ir. only if they have both the Ir. and Engr.
Notes:
1) If you have to approve or/and submit layouts/designs to the approving authority,
P.Eng is mandatory. But if you are working in the manufacturing sector for instance, you
can opt just for the M.I.E.M. Getting either/both the P.Eng or the M.I.E.M is a great
personal satisfaction if you ask me and they look absolutely fabulous on your resume.
2) Once you get your P.Eng from BEM, you will have to renew your "license" every year
in order to be able to continue to use the title Ir. Before you can renew your license, you
must complete 40 hours (I may be wrong) of CPD (Continuous Professional
Development).

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