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05-18-2013, 06:52 PM
Aima
Mystery Method Updated to Year 2013 - [All-in-One] Attraction
- Comfort - Sex
Member
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Location:
Germany
Age:
26
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232
The original Mystery Method (MM) got criticized a lot (both on old
mASF and here on fasterseduction). While some call it way too slow or
too theoretical the biggest argument has always been that it turnes
people into social robots.
I will address all those points in my post and want to show you, that
the idea and the system are still up to date and that by understanding it
lots of people could get laid much faster and (most important)
smoother.
In the german pickup community the Mystery Method is still pretty big
and popular, and Ive seen many guys getting huge success with it. Im
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talking about fast lays, daygame, nightgame, etc. I myself get laid very
consistently since I learned this, so I want to share it with you guys who
helped me so much since three years ago when I entered your
community.
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And neither of us thinks about the shit we say, but we trap ourselves
saying stuff again and again that we have used successfully in the past.
Attention: Im not saying its wrong to use other peoples routines in
general, but you always have to ask yourself if this routine would fit
your personality (= are you congruent with what you say?). Many
beginners have not thought about that they were just unhappy with
their life in general and tried to copy someone more successful. What
they didnt understand was that it would have been much smarter to
COPY THE SYSTEM BEHID THE WORDS INSTEAD OF THE ACTUAL
WORDS BEING SAID!
Opening (A1)
The main assumption behind opening is that in the beginning you are
(in her eyes) having less value than she has. She is hot and good
looking, gets approached by a bunch of guys and has guys texting her
all the time, guys are nothing special, so why should you be special?
That is your starting point!
Now you know the saying there is only one chance to make a good
first impression thats just what we want to do: Make a good first
impression. But thats all. Many guys think they have to win the set over
with the opener! HELL NO!! We know that she thinks your value is
lower than hers and therefore we are prepared for that. You see, all the
opener is really for is giving us the (best possible) chance to move to
the next step (raising our value).
General guidelines:
- 3 second rule
- Tilt head to the side
- Speak loud and clear, suiting the situation
- Good posture (like a man!)
- If in doubt: Indirect opener
- Some guys recommend opening with your body not facing the target
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Example:
Aima walking from one dancefloor to another, 2 girls are coming from
the opposite dancefloor.
Aima: Hell noooooooo, you guys dont want to go there!!!!
(Situational Opener)
HBs: wtf??? Smiling
Aima: They play the good music right over there (pointing to the
dancefloor they are coming from) Here they only play Backstreet Boys
all the time, and I know you guys HATE the Backstreet Boys (False cold
read)
HBs: Noooo, we looooooove the Backstreetboys (reacting on false
cold read)
How do I open which sets?
- Only females -> open ugly girl first
- Male in the set -> open male first
- big group -> big groups normally device into small sub-groups (aka
not every is talking with everyone)! Pick a subgroup and treat it like a
normal set.
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DHV-stories
To understand the idea of displaying higher value you first want to
understand what kind of things are of value (=attractive) in her eyes.
While this is obviously something that is different from women to
women, here are some things that many women are attracted to
- Preselection (= There are other women in your life, you treat them
good, you are showing unneedyness and eventually make her a little
jealous)
- Social Proof (= You have many friends, many people love you and
therefore you cant be that bad of a guy, but must be a pretty cool guy
on the other hand)
- Leader of man (= Being the so called alpha other men look up to
you and would like to experience/ live your life, like to hear your stories,
etc.)
- Protector of loved ones (= You protect the people you care about and
you show the girl that she can trust you, she can feel save and secure
around you)
- Stability (=You have a life and goals , you have either motivation,
ambition or a job/financial security)
- Confidence (= being yourself and standing your man, but in the most
positive way, you do what you want but you are reasonable (see
below))
- Being reasonable (= Having reasons for the things you are doing in
your life, not doing anything bad without having a reason, etc.)
Now the first five of those above are the so called Attraction Switches.
Imagine them like a light switch they can either be turned on or
turned off. What you want to do is turn on as many of those switches
as possible, but once a switch is turned on, you dont need to focus on
this switch anymore.
That is a common mistake that many beginners do, they are for
example already preselected in her eyes but keep going and going
about how many women will want to fuck them. No matter how subtle
he does it, she will not understand why he displays that again and again
and may eventually start thinking of it as bragging! Bragging is
something lower value people do therefore your value will sink even
though you tried to do the right thing! So turn on a switch and move
to the next!
So how do you implement those DHVs in your game? Certainly not by
bragging!
Preselection
Bad example: Im having a lot of sex!
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Delivery / Congruence
Mystery talked a lot about delivery and congruence. What he meant
was that the stuff that you do and say must fit your character
(congruence) or at least must seem like its fitting your character
(because you delivered the routine like someone with a fitting character
would).
Many people look at the routines that Mystery used and ask themselves
How the fuck could that work? If I would say stuff like that, people
would laugh at me and give me weird looks!
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Escalation:
See this great post of Warped Mindless (http://www.puazone.com/showthread.p...calation-Guide) in the Hall of Fame.
Dont think escalation is as unimportant, it is most important! But
escalation by itself is such a big topic and some much smarter people
have written up their stuff already, no need for me to do that! Take any
good post about escalation (not only physical escalation but also
escalation of the vibe) and apply the stuff!
Passing shit-tests
A shit-test is a thing the girl says or does to test the males willpower.
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tries to press the male into a lower value position (therefore raising her
own relative value).
Basic examples:
Do you do that often? I mean pick up girls (Trying to lower your
value)
You just want to have sex, I can see that! (Also trying to lower your
value)
Would you buy me a drink? (Would he do that for me? Does he
like me that much already? Have I done enough to own that drink, or
is he just trying to buy himself into my pants?)
Now shit-tests are very special when it comes to creating attraction, and
thats why I (and many other experienced players) love them so much:
A shit-test is like a fork in a road! After a shit-test you will either have
more attraction (if you pass the shit-test) or you will have less attraction
(if you fail to pass).
For me girls that do shit-test a lot are by far the easiest targets, because
they will shoot one shit-test after another at you and by passing each
and every one of them your attraction will skyrocket in no time! (If you
really want to deal with a girl like that is another question, think about
the hot-crazy-scale of Barney Stinson from How I Met Your Mother). For
this you obviously need to practice how to pass those tests! I will give a
few examples, but you will have to find solutions that work for you! This
is where experience plays a big role!
Example 1:
HB: I dont just have sex with everyone!
Aima: Well I really dont understand all that hype about sex, I mean
without sex none of us would be here right? Sex is just a natural thing
to do when two people are attracted, damn people even had sex long
before they could talk! (cred: Teevster, check out his sextalk guides for
more refraiming advice)
Example 2:
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Creating attraction and raising your value is the hardest part (!!!) of the
whole seduction process! You can spend your whole life trying to
become better at creating attraction (= raising your value). No matter
what some gurus tell you, you will never be able to attract any girl. But
using what we use can help you get the best out of yourself right now.
Dont worry if you have problems raising your value in an interaction
its normal! And think about it that way: After you have raised your
value, the rest of the game is not nearly as hard (not saying it is less
important quite the opposite, as you will see).
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Compliance
A Compliance test (often also called hoop) is like a verbal or nonverbal
hoop you hold for the women to jump through. Verbal compliance tests
are often questions, but they can also be simple statements!
Examples:
Verbal:
Can you cook?
Do you do sports?
Non-Verbal:
Can you hold my glass?
Give me your hand?
Most interactions are compliance tests. Asking for her name is a small
compliance test, having sex with her is a big compliance test. Same
thing is she is borrowing you money or you ask her to buy you a drink/
pay the bill.
If she takes the test (= jumps through your hoop) she gets a rewards
(= Indicator of Interest from you to her), if she is not compliant (= not
jumping through the hoop) you give her an IoD (=Indicator or
Disinterest). The idea is make her feel good when she is compliant (=
jumping through the hoop) and withhold good feelings when she is not
compliant. Important: The IoD is no punishment, you dont want to
make her feel bad! You just dont want to make her feel good either!
Soon she will connect being compliant with having a good feeling and
will therefore be even more compliant. Eventually this will lead to her
being compliant to the idea of sex (this can happen very fast).
Most good players in Germany like to combine Compliance with Bait
Hook Reel Release (BHRR), see below.
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negative feeling)).
What do you do when the girl is not compliant (= not jumping through
your hoop/ not taking your compliance test)? You react with an IoD
and an additional DHV. Its actually quite easy:
Aima: What do you like to do in your spare time?
HB: I dont know meet some friends and stuff (= lame boring
answer / being to cool to give a real answer, etc.)
Aima: (ironically, raising eyebrow, deadpan voice): Wow, Ive never
heard anyone ever say that! Tell me more (= IOD + Humor this
works because she is already attraced after A2).
(Do this without having build attraction in A2 and you will kick yourself
out of the set! Just saying there is a time to use ironic comments and
there is a time not to use them).
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You can also use this to shape the girl in a way you want. If I screen for
a LTR I will qualify her
differently
than
when Im looking for a ONS. As I
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said, its common sense, I dont screen her for being faithful when I
want her to cheat on her boyfriend with me. And I dont screen her for
being slutty when I want her to fall in love with me (but I will still screen
her for being sexual of course).
Once again attention: Sometimes the girl just has nothing interesting to
say to your question! Accept it and laugh it off! Please dont just give
her an IoD for being honest with you, okay?
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emotional (!) and comfort is logical (!). Attraction will make her feel
like she wants you, comfort will make her understand why she wants
you (= give her reason).
Look at the chart below you need all three (attraction, comfort and
closing) for a successful and strong seduction.
Comfort 1.jpg
Without attraction first, you will fall into the friend zone, and we know
its hard to ever get out again.
Without comfort she will not feel a connection with you! But why is
that? Look at the second chart I brought you guys:
Comfort2.jpg
Attachment 747
As I said attraction is emotional and comfort is logical! Now the problem
with an emotional connection (= only based on attraction) is that its
fading away pretty fast. Think of it as Out of sight, Out of mind! Its
part of how our brain works! And this is also the reason why she is not
picking up her phone when you call her! The good feeling is just not
there anymore, instead (her logical side) has probably even build up
bad feelings regarding your interaction (= we call this buyers
remorse). Without having addressed the logical side (= comfort)
during the seduction, there will be nothing in her brain left that wants
her to meet you again. Still, this is how many short term seducers
work. Starting today, you know better!
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Soon you will have a feeling for when to have a logical conversation
with a girl (= comfort) and for when you need to make a joke or tease
her a little (= attraction). For the beginner the basic guideline will be:
Try to go for comfort, see if she is compliant (= comfort is just another
compliant test) and pay attention to her reactions during the talk.
When you feel like things are getting boring, either bounce (see below)
or throw in some attraction stuff.
Think of the chart above - you want to slowly create balance between
the emotional and the logical side. Dont just go all logical because you
have been all emotional (= attraction) beforehand! Just go a little bit
more into comfort mode and create a long lasting strong connection
(=logical, comfort) while making use of the powerful short term
connection (=emotional, attraction).
Comfort2.jpg
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Now I know its not always easy to spend a lot of time with a girl,
especially not if you want to lay her really really fast! Thats why we
players have some tricks that we use, the most important trick being
bouncing!
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Bouncing
Bouncing is what we call the change of locations. Most guys make the
mistake to always stay at the same place with a girl. For example they
will meet a girl for a drink during a date and thats it. When her friends
ask her what the date was like, she will say Well we had a drink. In
her brain you will be the guy she only had a drink with.
Now lets compare that with a date where you use the power of
bouncing.
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You arrange the date and make her pick you up. When shes at your
door you give her a super short tour through your apartment/house (at
the same time making her more comfortable with your place).
Afterwards you go to a location where you can talk good (for example
drinking cocktails). Instead of ending things here you just drink one
cocktail and move on to an other place afterwards. In that second place
the focus is not on conversation but on other things (cinema, theme
park, etc. some external entertainment). On the way home you stop
at a restaurant and talk a bit more.
By the time you two are back together at your place, the two of you will
have experienced so much more than people do normally on a normal
date. Its like you have fitted three little dates (cocktails, cinema,
restaurant) into one date. And it never got boring!
In addition (in her brain) she will have you connected with several
places at once! You are more present in her brain! And even though
this was just one date, she will have the feeling as if you have known
each other for a much longer time (since this kind of connection is
something that normally only develops after several meetings).
But Bouncing is not only something you can do during dates! Even
when you start meeting her right there in the club, you can create
several memories in a short amount of time! Dont just stand in one
corner and talk to her, this will get boring!
- Check out all the different dance floors
- Never sit at the same place twice (except you like to sit with her
friends)
- Every time you get a drink, go to a different bar (most clubs have
more than one place to get a drink)
If you can, try to bounce outside that very night! Go to a pizza place
close by and grab a snack! Go to a convenient store and buy some
water for the two of you. Go to a different club! To a bar. Go prank the
neighbors! It doesnt even matter!
The goal should be to create as many different memories as possible!
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Small hint: If you have several ideas about what to do, try to do
something she has never done before. In addition its always good to
shoot for extreme emotions! If she is experiencing strong emotions, her
brain will mistake those
strong
emotions
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never forget the first time they rolled this huge rollercoaster! Its the
forth time they forget and dont think about!
So from now on, make use of the time you have with a girl and create
as many memorable moments as possible!
Nicknames, Insider
What else is it that connects you with your best friends? Well one thing
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is for sure: you guys will have a lot of insiders! Those insiders may be
funny things you experienced together, something funny someone said
at a special situation, a quote from a movie you enjoyed or something
similar.
Those insiders connect the two of you in a special way. Outsiders may
be hearing the words, but they wont understand why you two start
laughing. In other words: Insiders are a group phenomenon. And this is
again something you can use to your advantage!
When you talk with a girl and you see the option to do a reference to
something said earlier, just go for it! Dont think about insiders too
much, since you cant really plan them. But if you and your target have
developed an insider, try to cultivate it.
You can also give her a nickname. Animal names are good, the same
goes for Disney characters and comic figures. Be creative.
Grounding
When I tell you that Bouncing is the most important technique you
want to learn for building comfort, then Grounding is the second most
important!
Grounding means showing her how you became the person that you
are. In other words you are telling her the reasons why you think or
behave in a certain way.
If you think being honest is very important, than there is possible a
reason why you think like that. You may have made experience with
someone who was not honest and you didnt like that. Or you think its
important to be honest because otherwise life would just be chaos and
one could never lay back and relax. Or you think being honest prevents
a lot of drama and therefore you have no place in your life for people
who are not honest.
That is just one example of what could be the reason for you (!) to hold
a certain value high.
Next thing: Why do you work in the job that you have? (financial
independence? being really good at it and feeling fulfilled?) Why do you
enjoy a certain sport?
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Why is she smiling at the end? Because now she understands why I like
that sport! She can understand my actions and see my motives, I
become more predictable and show her my values! Values are always
intimate informations, therefore she will have the feeling that I open up
to her (I actually do). On top I showed a passion and showing passion
is always good (= being able to have passion for something is
attractive).
Examples:
HB: So what do you do for a living?
Aima: Im a law student, I just passed the bar.
HB: Oh okay
Aima: I know what you may think. But law just comes easy to me. And
being a lawyer is a job I can see myself getting up for in the morning for
something like 40 years. On top I can earn enough money to travel.
You know traveling is my biggest passion. (transition to talking
about traveling).
HB: So are you a family person?
Aima: Well, you know how people always ask if you are a family yes
or a family no person? Im definitely a family yes person. My family
rocks! I love them so much and they are the most precious thing in my
life! My younger brother is the most important person in my life! I
would die for him! What about you?
As you can see Im using some very strong emotions here (love, and
loving something so much you would die for it). But I have never
gotten any bad reaction on that story every. Its because Im congruent
with that story and I honestly feel that way.
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As you can see, grounding comes down to telling her why you feel or
think a certain way. Ask yourself, why do you do your job? Why do you
do that sport? Why do you think family, money, traveling are
important? What are your goals in life? Why do you have those specific
goals? How did your childhood influence you? Puberty?
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If asked, I have reasons for everything I do and think. I can also give
reasons why I feel certain ways. Sharing some of those information with
her will let her into your
world
and she
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that she understands you better than anyone else (=she really knows
you).
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Dont forget that you have it in your hand to trigger a Grounding
conversation. Some questions you may ask.
- What did you want to become when you were a little girl? And dont
tell me a princess
- You look like a person who knows exactly what she wants (self point)
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Vulnerability
When talking about Grounding we also have to talk about Vulnerability.
Dont be afraid to show some vulnerability during Comfort. But dont
overdo it. One little story is normally enough to show that you have a
soft core inside your attractive and strong character.
Example:
HB: Being faithful is very important to me
Aima: I know what you are talking about. My second girlfriend was
cheating on me. I caught her in the act.
HB: Not really (shocked)
Aima: Yeah, I had a student job at a baker store, trying to earn some
money for my driving license (shits expensive in germany) that was at
a time when she complained and said I should spend more time with
her. So I managed to leave work earlier and drove directly from work to
her place. When I arrived, she was not alone
HB: Oh wow Im so sorry.
Aima (shy smile) Normally I dont tell this anyone. Its crazy how
comfortable I feel around you
HB *smiling comforting*
You see how I turned the conversation at the end? I used the story to
create some strong emotions inside her (maybe someone cheated on
her too, at least she can imagine it) while giving her reasons to trust me
(= he was cheated on, he wont do it to me because he knows how
much it hurts) while also telling a story of how I worked for my future
(=driving license) and was putting effort into a girl I liked (=every girl
wants that). Finally I was taking all those strong emotions from the past
right to the present. By sharing a secret she has the feeling to be
something special, but speaking about how comfortable I feel around
her she will feel more comfortable herself.
And in case you wonder: Yes, this is a true story! And yes, it is one of
my strongest routines! At the end I do often take her hand a caress it
(=physical comfort).
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Comfort doesnt always have to be verbal. I love to use kino for building
comfort. You can hug her when she tells you a very sad story and hold
her really tight. But you can also do what I like to call couple kino:
When walking with her, hold her hand. Dont ask, just take it as if its
the most normal thing to do.
Other things you can do:
- Caress her neck
- Caress her hands during conversation
- Lay your arm around her
- Caress her leg
- Touch/Lay your hand on her lower back
And this includes also every move you have ever done to show your
former girlfriend how much you liked her.
I call this couple kino because you dont want to make her horny, but
you want to make her feel more comfortable and make her feel secure.
The idea is to give her an idea what it would be like to be your girlfriend
/ spend more time with you. And you want away some fears she may
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All this leads to her having a good positive feeling towards you
(=comfort).
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You have successfully attracted the girl. You have (during the same
night or over one/ a few dates) created enough comfort.
Congratulations, now its time for the actual sex!
Mystery divided the Sex into three parts:
S1: Foreplay (in the sex location, e.g. your bedroom)
S2: Last Minute Resistance (LRM)
S3: The Sex happens
Once again I dont think a separation in different phases is necessary.
Just focus on the main thing: Getting her horny and getting it in!
If you have done everything else (=attraction and comfort) correctly,
you wont face any problems. Having sex is no longer her decision, but
you have made it your decision. If you have used your knowledge to
create attraction and to build comfort, you have earned the sex. You
seduced this women. And she is on and about to fall for you.
Congratulations!
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If the girl is really shy (or a virgin) she may need a lot more comfort
than normal women.
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your cock out. Take it from there, be dominant, then gentle, funny,
again dominant and dont break the atmosphere.
If that doesnt help, break the atmosphere, take her mind off and then
surprise her but going for the sex again. Always smile when she pushes
you away. This girl is already making out with you, so her rejection is
just a joke. Smile it off.
She has probably never seen a guy taking LMR that way, and that alone
will make her curious what a guy like that is going to be like in bed.
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One last advice: if you face strong LRM often, then the problem lies
somewhere in your game, may it be Attraction or Comfort. Fix the
problem and the LMR will go. Dont focus on breaking LRM when the
real problem was your game beforehand.
Additional Pointers
On kissing
In which phase should you kiss the girl? Well, I like to kiss the girls
during my comfort game, when she starts to feel Im not only attractive
but also different. Sometimes I kiss the girls when my attraction is
super strong and then I take her to a quiet corner and start building
comfort so she wont forget about me. There have been rare cases
when I kissed girls the first time in my bedroom (during the Sex-Phase
(S1-S3)).
As you can see, everything is possible here. Try to find out what works
for you!
Think about the flowers in your garden. Flowers need care. Everyone
tells you to water your plants. But when you go out and you see its
raining, you wouldnt think one second about going out and watering
the plants, right? Thats common sense!
From now on I ask you to apply that common sense in your seduction
too! When the girl is super attracted right from the start, you dont
need much DHV, you may be able to skip A2 all together and directly
start A3 (female-to-male-qualifying). Maybe she will directly be very
compliant after your first Compliance routine (e.g. give her a spin or a
hug or holding her hand) and then you move directly to comfort OR
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you may even try to isolate her directly (because she is Down To Fuck
(DTF) and just wants you badly right there in her friends bedroom next
door/ in the club toilet/ in her car, etc.!).
But for all this to work you need to ask yourself: Do I need this Phase of
the seduction or do I not? Luckily, the more experience you have, the
better you will be at answering this question.
By the way: Skipping phases that were needed is normally the end of
your seduction. My favorite example is a drunk guy at a club: He opens
the chick (A1), may even be able to build some attraction (A2) but then
he does not qualify the girl (skipping A3) and she will assume he will
take home any girl and that hes just after any pussy. He will probably
skip Comfort too and thats it. NEXT! Drunk guy can watch his girl going
home with me. I dont feel sorry for him, its his own fault.
Even worse: The drunk guy that just opens with the line Do you want
to have sex with me?. While this is a more direct line that creates some
attraction when delivered congruently (mostly not the case with drunk
guys) its probably not enough attraction to make the girl compliant to
the huge compliant test will you sleep with me! Remember: After
opening she still things her value is higher than yours!
So just apply some common sense and you will be surprised how
smooth things can work in your favor.
Last Words
Now if you have some questions regarding this (extremely long) guide,
feel free to ask. Post a question right here if its a small question or
open a new topic with a question that is bigger (and send me a PM with
the link so I see the topic).
This post was over half a year in the making. When I wrote the first
lines it was autumn of 2012. Back then it was called Updated to 2012.
I want to say Im honestly sorry for all the spelling and grammar
mistakes, I did my best.
I wish that the community benefits from this guide and that people
start to talk a little bit more about comfort, helping all those young
souls that would like to have girl falling on love with them.
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community taught me how to pick up girls. I want to give something
back for the younger generation (though many guys may actually be
older than me).
Experience is the key. Use this guide to figure out AFTERWARDS while
certain things worked and why others didnt work. Improve and
become a better man. The women will be happy.
Greeting and all the best,
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For how many years have I been telling people that everything
important, Mystery already said?
Guys who think it's "outdated" don't understand what it is: the art of
parallel and consistency.
100% agree that it's more a theory than a method.
It's an NLP breakdown of successful seduction, a way of modeling what
has been observed to be effective.
And a brilliant one at that.
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For how many years have I been telling people that everything
important, Mystery already said?
Guys who think it's "outdated" don't understand what it is: the
art of parallel and consistency.
100% agree that it's more a theory than a method.
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Well, there is a time for C&F, but it's during Attraction Phase. You really
don't want to start the Conversation with Grounding.
But then if you stick with C&F alone all the time and never transition
into comfort, that's when the girl will forget about you and don't reply
to your texts the next day.
Greetings,
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This thread is really outstanding and definitely deserves inclusion in the
HoF or Newbie Guide. You've given us fresh eyes to make the familiar
new and relevant again!
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I really want to spend some more time to reflect on these classic ideas
again before offering more constructive commentary but I just wanted
to express my gratitude for your fine work here Aima. It's obvious you
put a lot of effort into analyzing and writing this up for everyone's
benefit, so thanks and bravo.
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The biggest thing i see in the new-more natural way of seduction is the
absance of ways to generate attraction like In mystery Method.
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Awesome guide man, huge props for writing this up and thanks for
shooting me the PM. Really great stuff here!
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As you know, comfort was always one of the things i never paid
attention to because it seemed unnecessary to me. The way you
emphasize it and break it down is great. I especially find the part about
attraction being a fleeting feeling when not much comfort is mixed in,
to be true. This is why when I couldn't have a SDL it was much harder
to end up getting the girl. This is why my lays would rarely turn into
more than a ONS or fuckbuddy.
It makes sense now that by tweaking the amount of comfort you give a
girl, you can determine what kind of relationship you two will have.
My only question for you, is do you ever find that by creating too much
comfort (while still being attractive of course) you make it harder to get
the same night lay? That she slots you into the 'potential boyfriend'
category instead of the 'secret lover' category?
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Thanks Daigoro! I really like your posts so this compliment means a lot
to me!
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I think guys prefer to seduce the girls that already like them because
gathering attraction is by far the hardest part of the game! Comfort is
not that hard, once you have a little experience. Same goes for
escalating to sex - it's the same things basically, all the time!
Attraction is different, it's much more fluid and much more complex!
Well, if you indeed create "too much comfort" you are going to pull her
too much on the logical side. This happens often when the guy forgets
about his attraction game during comfort (= they get boring).
It's really all about the balance!
But don't mistake "building comfort" with "becoming boyfriend
material". The idea is not to make her want a relationship with you - the
idea is to make her more comfortable (and stay attractive at the same
time).
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Think about it: Your goal is to create as much comfort as nessaccary for
laying her. But you can
onlySecurity
do comfort
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will backfire. The time you can spend building comfort depends on the
attraction you have build and your skill to hold attraction high while
building comfort.
The better you get at combining Attraction and Comfort, the more time
you can spend at comfort without her feeling bored. And therefore the
deeper your connection with her will be.
Bouncing, Physical comfort and befriending her friends (see above) are
your main weapons here.
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Or to put it in other words: Comfort is only "too much" when she is not
attracted enough (anymore).
Also think about it that way:
If a girl doesn't want to have sex with a guy because he is "relationshipmaterial", then it's always because she feels comfortable around him,
but not attracted enough. The girl wants to wait to see if he is attractive
enough or not (if not she will LJBF him).
The connection (=comfort) is never the problem, it's always the
attraction that is lacking in these situation.
I hope this could answer your question, if not just keep asking
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0--Like Dai, I'll take some more time to read through and reflect on your
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- Absolutely agree with you. Mystery had it all figured out, and he didn't
really write down a "how-to" for seduction, but a model that describes
the structure of what happens in pretty much every seduction. I have
looked back at every single one of my seductions and have always seen
that it followed the A-C-S model pretty closely. It's just not how I
motivate my escalation, but it's what happens. It is however, up to us
to fill the structure with our own content, and that is where styles differ.
- on Attraction: I think the entire "non-chasing" movement here (of
which I consider myself a part) is just another way of playing indirect
game, and the mindset that goes along with it. I read "bait-hook-reelrelease" in your OP here for the first time in a long time, and it hit me
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how I always do this!Internet
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with
you, I don't think it is difficult in
normal conversation, it can kinda structure entire conversations about
any topic. It also structures the way I kiss a girl, very often.
- on Comfort: I've always been a bit wary about this one, because I
don't do Mystery-style comfort at all. But in the end, comfort can just
mean vibing with her friends and dancing with her group for a short
time, or any other way of getting her trust (I would rather call this
phase "getting trust" or "getting intimacy", which is more what I do in
my style).
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Anyway, that's just top of my mind. Hope I'll have some time to look
more deeply into this, thanks for the effort anyway.
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