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possibly would
Whateley asked is it possible that you were [possible that he was administered
TB-4]? Prismall said: Its possible. Yeah. I dont think I did but it is possible.
Most honest people would acknowledge that there is a huge difference between
believing TB-4 was part of the program and saying it was possible.
ii.
Whateley said: So you know what you did but do you know what was done to
you. Do you know what you were injected with in that supplements program to
which Prismall said No. Prismall clearly said he didnt know what he was
administered so Whateley was wrong to claim Prismall believed he was
administered TB-4.
iii.
Whateley asked: Are you now of the understanding that Dank had Thymosin
Beta-4. Under stress, Prismall said: From what I know I think yeah he quite
possibly would have had it, yeah. Prismalls response of quite possibly is
substantively different from saying he believed he was administered TB-4.
It defies logic why anyone involved in the Essendon saga/ASADA scandal would agree to be
interviewed by any media person. No player has been briefed well enough to handle a
journalist such as Whateley. In fact, the players werent even briefed properly to handle the
scheming ASADA investigators. And Id be amazed if Prismall were briefed well enough
before his CAS appearance because I dont believe the legal team knows what happened.
Although Prismall was incredibly impressive with Whateley, he made a couple of mistakes
which harmed himself and the other players. I shall highlight those mistakes as I dissect the
items. The first item is taken out of sequence because it highlights how one player was
deceived by WADA, it highlights how poorly he was briefed, and it highlights that Prismalls
legal team didnt know enough about his evidence. Mind you, the legal team is not Robinson
Crusoe. Mike Fitzpatrick, Gillon McLachlan, the AFL Commissioners, Players Association
chief executive Paul Marsh and Essendon president Lindsay Tanner know bugger all.
2. Prismall didnt declare that he had been administered Thymosin because he hadnt
been administered Thymosin. It was a low trick question. We know Prismall was
tested in December 2011. His test predates the arrival of Thymosin in the country.
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2. Whateleys expression from the outside were just weasel words used to create the
impression that his outrageous statement had some credibility. Whateley had no
evidence to support the allegation:
3. In the players eyes, Thymosin was not an unacceptable word. Every player believed
that it was the name of a permitted substance. There was no reason for a player to
have any reason not to declare on his doping control form that he had been
administered Thymosin.
4. I know Whateley treats his viewers, readers and players as though they are idiots, but
surely if 22 players were told not to declare on their doping control forms that they
had been administered Thymosin, surely one of the players would have been bright
enough to say to the other 21 players Hey, guys, this smells a bit fishy. If ASADA
allows us to take Thymosin, why cant we tell ASADA that we have taken it in the
last seven days?
5. No one, including the CAS panellists, the WADA legal team and Whateley was in a
position to make a judgement on whether the players filled out their doping control
forms correctly unless they knew the date when the urine test was done and the dates
that the specific substances were administered to the players.
6. The players only had to declare substances taken in the previous seven days prior to
the urine test. I bet my precious Swans scarf that Whateley doesnt know when each
of the players wwas tested and Id bet my priceless Swans beany that Whateley
doesnt know the date that a single player was administered Thymosin. Until he finds
out that information he should shut up and hibernate for the winter.
ii.
Is it WADA permitted?
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iv.
v.
Item (Prismall) 4: Yeah. Im not sure how it is possible. Its probably the biggest thing for
me and my biggest stress is that you cant give any clarity on what you have been given
My parents are the same and scratch their heads and wonder how do you not know what I
have been given. But I dont know what Ive been given hopefully Ill get those answers.
My Comment:
1. If Prismall asked the right questions, as he claims he did, and if he agrees with my
understanding of what constituted the right questions (see my comment to item 3),
then he should have clarity on what he was given. Prismalls situation is no different
from a patients position in hospital. The doctor or nurse tells the patient what he/she
is being given. The patient has no proof of what he has been given other than what the
doctor or nurse said. Similarly, Prismall could never obtain any further proof other
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2. The AFL was remiss, if not negligent, in not insisting that Essendon and every other
club had similar procedures to the hospitals to record what substances were purchased
by the club and what was given to each player.
Item (Whateley) 5: So you were obviously told but you have no faith in what you are told at
the time.
My Comment:
No one could have any faith in what the players were told by Dank and Dean Robinson for
the following reasons:
i.
Australian Crime Commission chief executive John Lawler, Minister for Justice
Jason Clare, Minister for Sport Senator Kate Lundy and AFL chief executive
Andrew Demetriou all disgraced themselves with their wild unsubstantiated
allegations on 7 February 2013.
ii.
Demetriou repeatedly, publicly claimed throughout most of 2013 that the players
had taken banned substances.
iii.
ASADA investigator Paul Simonsson told the players on 20 February 2013, words
to the effect that they wouldnt be suspended if they pleaded guilty to taking
banned substances.
iv.
Over the last three years, starting from 6 February 2013, various newspapers have
collectively written about 10 million words stating unambiguously that the players
had taken banned substances.
v.
ASADA chief executive Ben McDevitt has repeatedly claimed that the players
took banned substances and has then immediately contradicted himself by
lamenting that no one will ever know what the players were administered.
ASADA and the AFL investigation into the alleged administering of banned
substances at Essendon was so corrupted it is impossible for the players to know
what happened.
vii.
Item (Prismall) 6: At the time I was told that it was either an amino acid or a vitamin
injection which I was comfortable with. I got the injection but obviously things have changed
and information has come out that might not be the case - whether I was administered TB-4 .
I am serving a ban for it so the powers above obviously think I have..
My Comment:
1. In item 3 above, Prismall claimed he asked all the right questions. Consequently, it is
difficult to comprehend that he didnt ask for the name of the supplements/amino
acids or vitamins he was being given. In his interview with ASADA on 23 May 2013,
he was able to nominate the name of two substances, which were amino acids. As he
discussed the supplements program with his parents, it is surprising that they didnt
insist that he find out the name of the other substances that he was given that
contained amino acids.
2. Forty-six players were interviewed by ASADA and virtually all of them told the
investigators that Dank told them the name of the substance that they were being
administered. Many couldnt recall the specific names of all the substances when they
were interviewed.
3. Off the top-of-my-head, my recollection is only three or four players said that Dank
gave them an amino acid.
4. Thirty-four players recalled being administered an unnamed amino acid by Dr Hooper
at the HyperMED, but as Prismall claimed he only received injections from Dank,
what happened at the HyperMed doesnt apply to him.
2. An ASADA investigator told Paddy Ryder during his interview on 20 May 2013 that
his unborn child could be deformed because of the banned substances he was
administered. Ryders attitude to Essendon changed at that moment, as did his
psychological disposition.
3. Hal Hunter and his mother Melita Stevens were subjected to a similar tactic. M/s
Stevens told 4 Corners that: They did start the questioning by saying, "We're going to
tell you something and you're probably not going to be very happy about it." And then
they explained that the injections that Hal had been given at HyperMED: I think it
said six or seven injections on the list. They said it was probably an amino acid, but
nobody really knows. It was- belonged to a, um, different patient: a muscular
dystrophy patient who had visited HyperMED; and that, um, that person had
purchased these, um, medication in Mexico and it had been left at the clinic. And
that's what Hal - and the other players that were there that had injections - were
injected with. The investigators were supposed to be questioning the players, but here
we find the investigators starting the interview with a horrific story, part of which
wasnt true. The substance was not sourced from Mexico. It was bought in El Paso
Texas, which is in the United States of America. Its hard to imagine why ASADA
told Hunter and his mother this story other than to create the impression that Essendon
were the really bad guys and we are here to help you nail them.
Item (Whateley) 9:It must be haunting to have gone through a program and now only
through drips and drabs be putting together what you may or may not have been
administered.
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2. Whateley was obviously tampering with his own equipment when he stated that
Prismall was learning something in drips and drabs. Prismall and the other players
were swamped from day one by a Tsunami of bile from drips in the media. To this
day, I question whether they have learnt anything from the media, ASADA or WADA
as to what transpired at Essendon.
Item (Whateley) 10: Was there pressure to be all in with the program?
My Comment:
1. This was a mischievous question to which Whateley knew the answer. It was well
documented that not only had Hird said that the players were free to participate or not,
but many players said there was no pressure applied to have a particular supplement.
2. Whateley was leaked access to a table created by ASADA labelled Admitted use of
substances by players and officials. A primary school child could have deduced
from that table that there was no pressure to have a particular substance. For example,
eight players admitted that they received an AOD-9604 injection; 38 players received
vitamins B and C intravenously; 15 players took Colostrum tablets; 8 players used
Comfrey paste; 4 players received Traumeel; 8 players received Thymosin injections.
The number of players using specific supplements was so low it is outrageous to
suggest that there was pressure applied to take the supplements.
Item (Prismall) 11: Certainly there was pressure when you are having meetings with
James Hird, Stephen Dank and Dean Robinson They are talking about the program; clearly
endorsing the program; talking about what the effects are; how it is going to help us; how its
not going to produce over the line in terms of being WADA compliant. But certainly the
conversations you are having being in that environment it sort of leaves you no choice to do
it. There were some guys that hadnt and they are not serving the bans so.
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i.
The players were given some supplements on 19 October 2011, which was the
first day of season 2012, pre-season training. Hird wasnt present when the
supplements were distributed and he left the next day for a five-week overseas
holiday. Hird had no idea the players were given until about 15 January 2012.
ii.
2. The AFL commission and the Essendon board were the joint employers and
consequently they had the most responsibility to the players. Interestingly, Dr
Harcourt stated during his Zurich, Switzerland, presentation at an anti-doping
conference that the AFL and ASADA got together to investigate some of the issues
which were apparent The real reason was that under individual contracts
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3. Undoubtedly, the most reprehensible behaviour in this whole saga belongs to AFL
and ASADA staff. They are on record as saying that they believed that the Essendon
players were taking dangerous, banned substances in late 2011 and 2012, but yet they
did nothing to stop it. Metaphorically speaking, some AFL and ASADA officials
believed that the players may have been taking substances that could have caused
cancer but they didnt do anything for 15 months. In what must rank as gutless
journalism, neither Whateley nor his media mates has asked why the AFL and
ASADA let the players continue to take what they believed to be dangerous banned
substances.
Item (Prismall) 13: Yeah. I think Stephen dank is clearly one for me, he administered all
my injections and I see him responsible for the program.
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i.
ii.
iii.
iv.
If Dr Reid believed that it was WADA compliant and that it would benefit the
player and that there was no chance of the substance doing any harm to the
player, the general manager football operations, Paul Hamilton, had to agree to
purchase the substance. On 2 February 2012, Hamilton sent an email to all
relevant staff stating that everything to do with the supplement program had to
come across his desk.
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2. If Whateley were half a decent journalist he would have studied the Victorian
Occupational Health & Safety Act, the Essendon organisation structure and Hirds job
description, and he would have realised that about 30 people had more responsibility
than Hird.
Item (Prismall) 17: Well the coach in a football club knows everything. Ultimately he
would make the decision as to whether the program would or would not run so yeah he
certainly has a level of responsibility as well.
My Comment:
1. Prismall was wrong to claim the coach knows everything. Obviously, the doctors, the
sports scientists, the physios, the nutritionists, the psychologists, the conditioners et al
know more about their respective fields of expertise than Hird.
2. In May 2011, the Essendon board, through chairman David Evans and chief executive
Ian Robson, and Paul Hamilton, Danny Corcoran, Hird and Mark Thompson agreed
to adopt a more scientific approach to nutrition, training, conditioning and recovery.
The football department Hamilton, Corcoran, Robinson, the doctors and Dank - was
given clear instructions by Hird that the supplements had to be WADA compliant; Dr
Reid had to approve their use; the players were free to opt in or opt out; and no
substance could be used if there were any chance of it causing harm the player.
3. Hird didnt need to know any more about the program other than the protocols were
being adhered to. It is ridiculous to suggest that Hird, or any coach for that matter,
needed to know the chemical breakdown of each substance.
4. Hird was no different from the senior AFL executives and AFL commissioners.
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Towards the end of the interview, Whateley graciously gave Prismall an opportunity to
express his thoughts on how he had been treated since the story broke on 5 February 2013. It
was gut-wrenching to listen to Prismall articulate his concerns. To its lasting discredit, it
appears that the board has not looked after the players the way it should have.
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Someone should have been appointed by the club to liaise and comfort all 34 players
on a daily basis if necessary.
ii.
All 34 players should have been lined up with jobs or educational courses.
iii.
The board should have taken enough interest to know whether any player had gone on
benders.
iv.
The board should have ripped into ASADA for running a corrupt investigation and it
should have smashed WADA for using tainted evidence in the CAS hearing. The
board has been given irrefutable evidence that WADA tabled changed evidence;
fabricated evidence; omitted evidence; and tabled evidence it knew to be untrue.
v.
The board should be bashing WADA every day until WADA investigates the veracity
of its evidence.
2. Prismall is a very impressive person and firms should be lining up to employ him.
Bruce Francis
3 April 2016
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