Pentagon Military Analysts Program Documents Obtained by The New York Times: Documents Released On 4/30/08: Part 3

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From: JedBabbin@fiilTld
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:07 PM
To: Ruff, Eric, SES. OSD
Subject: Re: The Ideological War
No word back yet; still waiting. Any help you can give would be appreciated. Would love to get Casey or
Abizaid or the marine commander (Steve 10hnson?). Thanks.
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Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 10:43 AM
To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD·PA
Subject: FW: Intelligence submission· ref. Don Shepperd
im not really sure what to do with this ...
it came in via don sheppard
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From: Phoenix Intelligence [mailta:~.mlr;J

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Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 12:13 AM
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Subject: Intelligence submission - ref. Don Shepperd
Dear Mr. Lawrence,
My name is Brent Astley and I represent Phoenix Global Intelligence Systems. Our group monitors the activities of
terrorists and their sympathizers on the internet. From time to time, we come across information that we feel is actionable,
such as the following which suggests possible attempt to breach the security of detainment facilities or perhaps a prison
breakout fram--Abu Ghraib.
Gen. Don Shepperd suggested that the material below be forwarded for your information. Actually, my deputy, Nena Wiley
had asked if he could suggest routing for this information, but as she is somewhat under the weather this evening I.am
sending it along on her behalf. I had sent same to Lt. Col.fiMki i USMC, OIC Cyber Team MNF Iraq, who is
interested in follow-up on th is matter and any future backUp we might provide his team. He has been most cooperative and
receptive, something for which we are most grateful.
For your information, the attached material was discovered at the Lajnah forum, tajdeed.org.uk/forums. While the material
is posted publicly, this particular forum has, in the past, posted credible threat information. Our sense of this material is
that it does not represent a direct or immediate threat or operational plan, but rather may express some intention for the
future or perhaps it is one of several different operations being considered. As SUCh, we felt that it merited FYI status with
the relevant folks in Iraq.
The attached file contains the original arabic material posted as well as our machine translation. The original Arabic URL is
as follows: http://tajdeed.orq.uk/forums/showthread.php?s=2285c788f38e70948f1f79dbc12abfc6&threadid=39316 (You
probably want to avoid machine translation as it can cause headaches, but some of the salient points do come through on
it.)
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I believe that Lt. Col. ~ is the correct person to have forwarded this material to, but there may be other agenices or
branches of the military who might be able to make use of it. Any assistance that you might provide with such routing
would be greatly appreciated. I would like to thank you sir, very much for your time and consideration of this
correspondence.
Sincerely,
Brent Astley
Executive Director
Phoenix Global Intelligence Systems
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Subject: Rep: The Ideological War
I've been busy this weekend. This is much more important than the other one.
RealClearPolitics - Commentary - Fighting the Ideological War by Jed Babbin
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SUbject: Britain Falling? Today's Spectator
It's the multiculturalists who will bring Britain's demise. And they may already have.
The American Spectator
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To: Merritt, Roxie 1. CAPT OASD-PA
Cc: Ruff, Eric, SES, OSO; th\flA .. IV, OASO-PA; _ LTe, OASO-PA
Subject: Tomorrow's retirement ceremony
Dear Roxie: I had planned to go to your retirement ceremony tomorrow at 11> but some people from a radio
network I'm working with have called me to a command performance meeting. I apologize profusely. Please
accept my best wishes and do keep in touch. • • has a new cigar coming out at the end of the month
that your husband really needs to try. All the best, Jed.
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From: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA

Sent: Tuesday, February 28,20069:45 AM
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OSD; Smith, Dorrance, HON, OASD-PA
SUbJect: Re: Next week
Yes-agent referals count.
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From: Ruff, Eric, SES, OSD
To: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Smith, Dorrance, HON, OASD-PA
Sent: Tue Feb 28 09:43:20 2006
Subject: FW: Next week
as you can see, jed babbin has all week with hewitt's show. if we're thinking about radio
for the sd, jed might be someone to consider for live to tape, same day. as to zalar
casey, he can work with folks in theater. bryan, i've told jed i would put this into the
system, and this email accomplishes this, no? thanks.
From: JedBabbin@ij5filKili [mailto:JedBabbin@~
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:25 AM
To: eric.ruff@h5flF:hll
Subject: Next week
Eric: I'm subbing for Hugh Hewitt all next week (6-10 March). He's on nationally, Salem
Radio Network, 6-9 EST.
Would love to get one of the big guys (Rumsfeld? Khalilzad? Casey?) to tell me things
ain't as bad in Iraq as I may have thought looking at the news this week. Can try?
Please let me know with whom I can follow up. Best, Jed.
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From: . JedBabbin~@• • •
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OSD
Subject: Re: Next week
Eric: Thanks on all counts. Yep, a whole week is mucho good. I've done week-long stints before for Hugh. It's
easy with a first-class production crew such as his or_Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
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From: JedSabbin@tlilfG\W
Subject: Next week
Eric: I'm sUbbing for Hugh Hewitt all next week (6-10 March). He's orr nationally, Salem Radio Network, 6-9
EST.
Would love to get one of the big guys (Rumsfeld? Khalilzad? Casey?) to tell me things ain't as bad in Iraq as I
may have thought looking at the news this week. Can try?
Please let me know with whom 1 can follow up. Best, Jed.
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From: Paul Vallely [paulvallely@!iri)m~mJB.nj • •
To: Scott Belliveau
Subject: True Story of WMDs
Source is close hold for now.
Thirty years ago Hermann Eilts, was our ambassador to Egypt, and one of my
deputies was in Cairo looking into the then 2 billion dollars in the Egyptian aid
program. My office had sent a cautionary cable to my guy saying "make sure you
don't miss the now-you-see-it-now you don't programs" Eilts, who was a Germanic
clone on the Kissinger model at the ambassadorial level, read every bit of cable
traffic that came into his embassy. Accordingly he bearded my deputy in the hall and
said, "what is a now you see it now you don't program?JI The answer was it was a
program which was visible at the beginning of the project approval process, but
which disappeared in the periodic reviews of a country program by being artfully
placed under some different category. They then would reappear when there was a
crisis involving the initiative, and then slide beneath the sands so that no
measurement of its success or failure could be taken except when the managers
found it useful.
WMDs in Iraq have become something of a now-you-see it now you don't issue of this
decade. They became a prime rationale for our entry into Iraq and a reality accepted
by everyone. When months went by without any success in finding them the press, .
quickly joined by the Democrats in Congress began a hew and cry that they had never
existed and had been a fabricated casus belli of the Bush administration, a furor
that continues to the present. Those of us with experience in the region and reliable
sources there knew that that revisionism was wholly baseless, but were perplexed
when any attempt to surface accurate stories of their disposition and whereabouts
were ignored or minimized by the press and more curiously, by the intelligence
community and by the administration itself. Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld
correctly opined that "an absence of evidence is not evidence of absence", but the
ways in which the administration has handled the subject suggests something much
more complex than the press or public has been able to grasp. The short answer to
the question of where the WMDs Saddam bought from the Russians went was that
they went to Syria and Lebanon along with the most powerful explosives in Saddams
arsenal to be recycled and become the nexus for an escalation of the conflict after
the fall of Baghdad. rhey were moved by Russian speznaz units (out of uniform) that
were specifically sent to Iraq to move the weaponry and eradicate any evidence of
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its existence. This was a coordinated and well orchestrated campaign using two
-neighboring client states with which the Russian leadership had a long time security
relationship. Syria was an ideal repository of Saddams munitions as his arsenal was
complementary to Syria s and the movement of the weaponry provided for a
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continuation of the military supply relationship with both clients by other means. .
Many of Saddam s generals exited Iraq via Damascus and thereafter disappeared.
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One might ask why Saddam did not follow them but stayed in Anbar province where
we captured him. But did he? Or did he come back along with the explosives that
have fed the insurgency? I would suggest that in our narrow focus on the location of
the WMDs we have assiduously avoided and have managed to miss the pattern in the
carpet in which they are woven. Am reminded of oil cartoon from the early 70s.
Let me explain my entry into the evanescent world of WMD. My office at the
Pentagon--DUSD (International Technology Security) was set up in 2001 in AT&L to
try and fix the international technology transfer process. We were trying to revamp
the system by focusing on a Militarily Critical Technology List and tying that to the
licensing activities at the State and Commerce Departments. I have been in and out
of senior positions in the export control world for over 30 years. My initiafion in that
arena began as Inspector General of Foreign Assistance at the State department, a
bureau that oversaw every US agency in the foreign assistance field, and because of
the switch from grant aid to Foreign Military Sales all of FMS as well. That
background led naturally to my forming an alliance with the DoD IG to monitor
everything that was getting through our control grid. An MOU was set up to conjoin
the technical capabilities of my office with the investigative resources of the OIG
to create an independent entity in OIG called Director, International Armament and
Technology Trade. After 9/11 and during the preparations for the Iraq war we
agreed to use the MOU to see specifically what had gotten through our controls into
Iraq. We were not looking for WMD but for conventional munitions and militarily
important technology that had found its way to Iraq. At about the same time the
Office of the Asst to the Sec for Nuclear, Chemical and Biological Warfare
mObilized the Defense Threat Reduction Agency to take the initial lead in the search
for WMDs and my office was put on as a caboose on that train on the assumption
that whatever they dug up by way of intelligence would include much on conventional
weapons as well.
We started as well to work out an arrangement with DARPA and with INSCOM to
develop.a system to track the non-WMD inventory we were finding in Iraq. In our
effort we got considerable help from CENTCOM, SOCOM, the customs folks in Iraq
and initially from DIA. As we had not been given new resources for our initiative we
developed a cross section of people already in my office with an appropriate
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background, and augmented that with a small cadre o'f people who had good contacts
in the areas of interest to us. These included a small group of Brits that were old
Iraqi hands, including Julian Walker, a former British ambassador who had been
responsible for drawing up all the southern boundaries for Iraq. They included as
well a friend of the IG's, a Ukrainian American with extremely good contacts in
Ukrainian intelligence, who suggested that, as the Russians had been the largest
supplier of munitions to Saddam their records, which were available in Kiev, could be
of immense use to our office,
First, a comment on conventional munitions and weaponry in Iraq as part of the fabric
of the WMD story. Our efforts and the efforts on the ground in country revealed
the immensity of the arsenal that Saddam had assembled before the war. When we
began to tot up the total of the various inventories it became evident that the
conventional munitions in Iraq were in excess of 100 million tons. The US inventory of
these categories of munitions has been estimated at somewhere between 1.6 and 1.8
million tons--so 60 odd % of the whole US arsenal. What was more striking waS that
these weapons were spread all over the Iraqi landscape, carefully separated out into
artillery shells, land mines, grenades, rockets, and differing kinds of high explosives
and consigned to networks of 20 foot high sand berms intersperced with covered
reinforced bunkers. These dumps were not the work of hastily assembled Iraqi
conscripts but an orderly and professional segregation of weapons by class. There
were several hundred such locations discovered in the aftermath of the invasion, and
many of these were unsecured and subjected to ongoing pilfering by night. The
origins of these weapons were Russian, Chinese, and French in declining order of
magnitude, with the Russkis holding the lions share and the Chinese just edging out
the French for second place. My office made a concerted effort to get CENTCOM to
focus on the security implications of these dumps.
In the run up to the war my office was getting a flow of information from our British
contacts on the ground at the Syrian border and fr.om London via Iraqi contacts. The
intelligence included multiple sitings of truck convoys, convoys going north to the
Syrian border and returning empty. They also included specific locations of
conventional munitions and rockets in towns near the Syrian border. It also included
intelligence about possible WMDs that had been moved to Syria and Lebanon. They
confirmed the report of the Dutch journalist regarding three locations of moved
WMD in Syria, and provided information about steel drums with painted warnings
that had been moved to the cellar of a hospital in Beirut. I duly passed whatever I
got to the Iraqi desk officer at DIA and was surprised by the seeming lack o~
interest the information generated. My report on the convoys he brushed off as
"Israeli disinformation". What was more interesting was about a month after I had
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spoken to him the GC at DIA wrote to the GC of AT&L complaining about my

'activities--my GC wrote it off as a II r ice bowl ll issue. I decided to channel the flow
thru the DIA guy who gave me my weekly technology briefing, but I got a similar and
stronger response from CIA. They trashed one of my Brits and tried to declare him
persona non grata to the intelligence community. Finally, we got constant indicators
that Langley was aggresssively trying to discredit both my Ukrainian AmeriCan and
me in Kiev, even though the man was very close to David Nicholas, the OSCE
ambassador in Ukraine and one of Vice President Cheney's best friends. Aside on
Saddam as an indicator of the quality of what being provided.
Let me explain the Ukrainian connection to partially explain the situation: The head
of ·Ukrainian intelligence, Igor Smesko, had been the first military attache in
Washington in the early 90s when Ukraine had become independent and Dick Cheney
was SECDEF. Smeshko had told Cheney that when Ukraine became free of Russia he
wanted to show his friendship for the United States. With the Iraq war in progress
and with Ukraine as part of the Coalition of the Willing, he was ready to deliver on
that statement. Smeshko had gotten to know Gen. James Clapper, now Director of
the Geospacial Intelligence Agency, but then head of DIA. I had a long personal
friendship with the head of MI6, and this all came together in a two day meeting in
London with me and my man in Kiev, Smesko's people, the MI6 contingent, and Gen.
Clapper, who had been deputised by George Tenant for this mission. In a meeting
with Clapper and me Smeshko promised to give us a comprehensive picture of Russian
arms related activities in Iraq in the period before the war, to include all the
relevent documents that were available to him in Kiev, and which my guy had already
spent several months perusing. The stage was therefore set for a confirmation of
the information I had accumulated on the movement of munitions over the past 18
months.
Over the next six months my guy began to gather material in Kiev and my office
collated what they could in Washington. The pr.ocess was slow and it was unclear just
how the materials and my guy were going to get back to the US. As it turned out the
balloon went up on the issue when the New York Times produced an article on
October 30, a week before the Presidential elections, saying that 377 tons of high
explosives had gone missing from a dump at al Qaqa after the fall of Baghdad.
Simultaneously, Senator Kerry led an attack on the President and the administration
that had all the hallmarkS of coordinaton with CBS (who had originally planned to
break the story) as a strategy for winning the election. The administration and the
President were being crucified over their seeming inability to secure the explosives
or provide an adequate explanation of what happened to them. As my office was the
only place in the US government which had any thing approaching an inventory of
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conventional munitions in Iraq, together with their locatiol')s and a sense of their
disposition, I moved immediately to get the detailed story out to Demetri
Sevestopolo of the Financial Times, and Bill Gertz of the Washington Times. I gave
them my office s detailed assessment of the movement of the munitions and had my
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man in Ukraine brief them both on the central Russian role in moving them before
the war started and their stories came out, on Wednesday, two days after the NYT
article. What was striking about the DoD response to the stories was that no one
asked me anything about their source and provenence--or indeed whether they were
true. It was the dog which didn't bark. The only instructions I got was not to talk to
the press any more. I believe that they already knew all about the Russian role and
knew that everything which I said was true. Dave Patterson, Wolfowit'z's assistant,
was told on Monday as he agonized over the NYT allegations that he had the answers
to everything right there on the E Ring of the Pentagon with me and my office. But I
heard absolutely nothing from him until an urgent phone call on Wednesday after the
two articles interviewing me had appeared, and his only comment was IIwhatever you
do don't talk to the press any more!1I That response, as Secretary Rumsfeld could
have said, was "counterintuitive". Interestingly, I was told at the end of that day
that Rumsfeld did not seem interested in the Russian involvement, but only wanted to
know "who had provided the fact that they went to Syria. 1I But the official reaction
was that they knew nothing about this and that it was probably without foundation
and untrue. The need for a quick response to the NYT piece and the deSire to keep
the extent of the Ukrainian initiative under wraps allowed their terse rejections of
the story to go unchallenged. The pushback was, however, sufficient to put the story
on ice. The editors of the Financial Times citing questions about the credibility of
the story, refuse to follow up even though Demetri Sevestopolo had been given
additional details about the extent of the Ukrainian initiative and its intenational
intelligence dimension. And the lemmings in the press followed.
But let us put a frame around the story so that the movement of these munitions is
understood in its proper context. Russia, following its Cold W,ar posture in the region,
continued its role as arms supplier of choice to Iraq and Syria. The Gulf War and the
various impositions on Iraq following the war merely changed the public profile of the
relationship with the two Arab regimes without altering its fervor or substance.
Instead of trying to uncover WMDs in Iraq or try to track their sequential
movement into Syria in the weeks before the Iraq war started in 2003, that is ,
look(ng at the problem narrowly focused from the bottom up; it is more frUitful to
look at it from the perspective of Russian strategy over a decade in managing the
three way politico-military relationship with both Iraq and Syria. By consolidating the
client relationship with the two countries the Russians could materially reinforce the
arsenals of the two countries and provide a pipeline thru Syria to funnel weapons to
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Saddam as the pressure on him increased. As important, they could put beyond the
reach of an invasion force such munitions and weapons as Saddam wanted a safe
haven for.
The ongoing advisory role inherent in the Russian military sales effort assured that
the traffic in both directions would be directed and implemented by Russians,
providing deniability on bot~ sides of the border. Add to the professionalism of this
effort the fact that the borderland across which this traffic moved has had a 3000
year experience of successful smuggling. The effort began shortly after the Gulf
War as the brainchild of General Yevgeny Primakov. Primakov, you may remember, ran
Saddams' weapons programs in the late 70s and was promoted to be head of the
Soviet foreign intelligence service in 1990. to become Rus;sia's minister of foreign
afairs in 1996 and in 1998 to prime minister.
Inspite of the huge indebtednesss of the Iraqi regime to Russia (over 8 billion
dollars) Primakov convinced the Russian govt to invest anew in the rebuilding of Iraqi
military forces by supplying large quantities of spare parts, equipment components,
and air defense equipment worth over a billion dollars. Secret agreements, signed
between Iraqi intelligence and the Russian GRU, provided for clean;L1p operations to
be conducted by Russian and Iraqi military personnel, to remove WMDs, materials
for production, technical documentation etc from Iraq, so that the regime could
announce the Iraq was "WMD free". Roumanian intelligence chief Ion Pacepa who
defected to the US in the 80s was debriefed by the CIA for three years and is living
under protective custody. His description of the Russian intelligence plan II Sarandar ll
or emergency exit, describes a Soviet KGB plan for disposing of WMD--Chem/Bio in a
rehearsed manner. Pacepa implemented it under KGB direction in Libya. The main .
tenet of the operation as specified by the Russians was that all chemical/bio weapons
were to be burned or buried at sea in the event of potential capture. In February
and March of 2003 two Russian ships set sail from the port of Umm Qasr headed for
the Indian Ocean and anchored in the Indian Ocean for three days. Whether they
went north to Syria or south to be deep sixed, however, the WMD were summarily
escorted out of the country. Iraq's Sarandar program was controlled by Russian GRU
operatives under ministry of Emergency Security Situations cover as civilian
catastrophe workers. The Sarindar was a clean up mission to simultaneously remove
all evidence of Russian sales and to physically remove the weaponry itself. This of
course had the marvellous effect of not only making the weaponry available for later
use, but of compromising the United States by seeming to "provell that the war
against Saddam was not justified.
Primakov made repeated visits to Baghdad during this entire period, but most
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importantly returned to Baghdad in December 2002 shortly after Saddam had issued
his last Iffull, final and complete disclosure' regarding WMDs, and stayed until
shortly before the invasion. The carefully planned Russian clean up operation was
entrusted to a combination of the GRU (military intelligence) and Spetsnaz (special
operations troops) and Russian military and civilian logistical personnel in Iraq under
the command of two experienced ex Soviet generals, Col. Gen. Vladislav Achatov and
Col General Igor Maltsev, both retired and posing as civilian commercial consultants.
A week before the invasion they were given medals by the minister of defense and
departed. The importance of their role is reflected in the fact that they--by Russian
count--had visited Baghdad no fewer than twenty time s in the preceding 5-6
years. From Ukrainian sources we have determined the identity and strength of the
various spetznaz units, their dates of entry and exit, and the fact that the effort
began with a planning conference in Baku from which they flew to Baghdad. That
conference, chaired by the Russian Minister of Emergency Situations, , Sergei
Shoigu,laid out the plans for the cleanup effort so that Shoigu could leave after the
keynote speech for Baghdad to orchestrate the planning for the disposal of the
WMD. An intelligence official who attended the conference flew to on to Moscow
from which he reported that all spetznoz operatives were now changing to civilian
clothes from military/GRU garb and told to integrate and await instructions. (The
Russian denial of my revelations in late October 2004 included the statement that
Ifonly Russian civilians remained in Baghdad." There is no doubt that together that
special ops group carried out the final Sarindar clean up just weeks before the
outbreak of the war and produced the political windfall of undercutting the US
rationale for going to war. But the Russians also secured important -gains for
themselves: As they lost their influence over Iraq they moved thier influence to
Syria and put themselves in a position to support armed guerilla action in Iraq after
the war. In the view of many military and intellegence experts, the Russian WMD
cleaning operation in Iraq was a "masterpiece of military camouflage and political
deception." And so indeed it was....
The story of this deception has come out piecemeal, and its fragmented nature has
allowed both the Russians and its detractors here to kill the story by systematically
picking holes sequentually in each of the pieces and in their bearers. The fact that
the administration had made a strong and successful effort to massage--indeed
strong arm-- intelligence regarding Iraq in the run up to the war made it difficult for
versions of the truth to get a bloodless hearing after the success of the Russian
ploy. I am not going to try to provide a detailed chronology of the Russian movement
of both explosives and WMD to Iraq. It is already out there in the public domain and
merely requires better informed journalists who can connect the dots of the story
and who are not awed and are unwilling to accept the pat criticisms that are
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offered up by the rump of our intelligence agencies and cabinet departments in the
.. wake of their repeated failures in this area. The question remains of not only how
badly we got snookered by the Russkis, but why if is in the US interest to continue
the cover up of the real story. It has been suggested that our knowledge of the
movement of these weapons is not helpful as we cannot prove what happened without
expanding the war. There is also the old intelligence rationale of not blowing your
cover so you can continue to mine your intelligence sources without compromising
them. But what is the current Bush administration's game plan? Does it have one?
And who are its enforcers? On one level it is a product of the unwillingness of the
policy makers at the Pentagon and White HO'use to admit mistakes. They never
learned Churchill's axiom that "it is better to be right than consistent!" One
observer believes that they preferred to continue to be beaten over the head by the
WMD and munitions issues (which they knew would ultimately vindicate them) rather
than explain why they allowed everything to be moved to Syria and beyond to feed
the international war on terrorism and the Iraqi insurgency. That is indeed a story
they would have good reaSon to avoid. Whatever the reason for their attempts to kill
the story,however, they went to great lengths to undermine it and turn it into a 24
hour phenomon. Larry DiRita did everything he could to keep the journalists who
broke the story off the ta.lk shows, and told everyone sotto voce that the whole
story was without foundation and should be left alone as I was a loose cannon. The
effort chilled "the story temporarily, but the facts were ultimately going to come out,
as indeed they have. But the story is much bigger than the public has been led to
believe. It ties into the Libby effort to quiet Judith Miller and the myriad stealth
efforts to make the unpleasant emerging reality in Iraq conform to the public
pronouncements of those who orchestrated the planning for it..
We Trust Fox News
Fox News Channel
Paul E Vallely
Military Analyst
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From: ' JedBabbin@rmtm'I
Sent: Monday, Febru~~ 27, 20067:02 AM
To: tmcinerney@1lFd paulvallely@rUilCi nashct@tOOlii_ Glenstrae77

@(Ulff:\W BURM41516@ji\fld;rU\fI§ elV, OASD-PA; WSSlnter~(,;I'"nl. .tl'P.{ij~.-
roberthscales@rU'f,4 ••
Subject: Lost in Iraq? loday's Spectator
,This ain't good, and will get worse unless the president begins to lead as a wartime president must.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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(b)(6)
From: JedBabbin~
Sent: Wednesday, February 22. 2006 7:15 PM
To: m.!Vfi. • • • • • • • •
Cc: Ruff, Eric. SES, aSD
SUbject: Request
~ I'll probably be doing my Spectator column for Monday on the situation in Iraq.' Any
chance of getting a phone interview Friday (pretty much any time, for print not broadcast)
with Casey or Chirelli? Would also love to talk to Steve Johnson. Please let me know. Need
about ten minutes with one or more of these guys. Issue is, to state the obvious. how bad it
is with the mosque bombing and cleric killings. Are we on the edge? What's being done to
unwind some of this?
Many thanks. I'm out of pocket most of Thursday, in depositions and flying back from Florida.
Will be online tonite and late (after 2100 EST Thursday). By cell phone on breaks tomorrow.
Thanks. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(b)(2) (Home Office)
(Fax)
(Mobile)
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- -
From:' ~Capt. USMC, OASD-PA

Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 20062:45 PM
To: Barber, Allison, SES, OASD-PA
Cc: MMGi Col OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OSD
Subject: RE: 22 F'eb Outreach - time,
Attachments: Capt. USMC, OASD-PA,vcf
[Wi
:apt. USMC, OASD..
Got it ma'am ... will leave it on his chair.
Captain nstn; 3
Military Assistant to the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs 1400 Defense
~ Washington, DC 20301-1400
From: Barber, Allison, SES, OASD-PA
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 2:39 PM
Cc: rJ!tiIA 2 Col OASD-PA; • • Capt. USMC, OASD-PA
SUbject: RE: 22 Feb Outreach - time.
hi joe or tL1fld1
would you give a copy of the read ahead to eric? thanks. i am in old town and cant get to
it from this computer.
ab
From: Ruff, Eric, SES, OSD [mailto:Eric.Ruff~
Sent: Tuesday, February 2~, 2006 2:28 PM
To: Barber, Allison, SES, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: 22 Feb Outreach - time.
allison, can i have a copy of the agenda? thanks.
SES, OASD-PAj
• •
~ Barber. Allison. SES, OASD(PA); Ruff, Eric. T. CAPT, OASD
PA; • • Capt. USMC, OASD-PAi Lawrence,
OASD-PA; Bucc~, Steven, Dr., OSD; • •
OASD-PA; ~ CIV, OSD;
OSD~, rR\l'li\W CIV-;- 08D
Cc:[~I~"MMlri CIV, JCS, OCJCS; (b)(6) CIV, JCS, OVCJCS
SUbject: RE: 22 Feb Outreach - time.
yes that is correct.

ab
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> ,-----Original Mess.age----
> From: M~tht •
CIV. OSO
> [mailto ..
> Sent:
:> To.:
> CIV
> 'ISlla
:> fismc
:> Barber, Allison, SES, OASO-PA; Ruff, Eric. SES, OSO; Merritt, Roxie T.
> CAPT, OASO-PA,~ ; Lawrence, Oallas,
:> OASO-PA; ~1[{O: ' CIV, OASO-PA; Bucci Steven, Or., OSO; I
>~ CIV. OASO-PA; rlilmJ
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> Cc: ~ • CIV. JCS. OCJCS; (b)(6)

CIV, 'JCS, , OVCJCS
> Subject; RE: 22 Feb Outreach - time.
>
> Confirming that we are still on for tomorrow as

shown below - room? Is
> itmmJI
>
:>~
:>
> -----Original Message----

> From: fjMiH j CIV, OSO
> Sent: Wednesday, February OB, 2006 11:59 AM
> To:
>
Merritt, Roxie T.
l
~ili~;;A~l~l;i;S~O~n!'~C~I:V~';O;AS=O;-~P:A:;i
• ;R;U;:,ff , Lawrence,
Eric, SES,Oallas,
OASO-PA; Bucci, Steven, Or.,
OASO- PA;
:> • Col OASO-PA;
> • • LtCol, 050;
> CIV, OSO;
> Cc: OCJCSi~·mc·~1I1I1I1I1I1 CIV, JCS,
>raswa
> Subject: 22 Feb Outreach - time.
>
> For the outreach on 22 Feb, is it possible to adjust the time to
> start 15 minutes later - new time would be:
>
~ ~:30pm-l:45 - PA Prep
> 1:45pm-2:30 - Outreach
>
> Let me know - thanks,
> mtmII
>
>
>
>
Barber, Allison, CIV, OASO-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASO-PA; Merritt, Roxie T.
Lawrence, Oallas,
CIV, OA80-PA; Bucci, Steven, Or., 080;
CIV, OABO-PA; _ . " Col OABO-PA; Mur£hy,
CIV, OSO; tmtla LtCol, OSO; tb1tld •
>
05';::0-;"iifj-n-tt-n_
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_.c.1.Vi,.0.S.D••••••••••••••
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>raMM
> Subject: RE: PA - Schedule Items from 12 Jan Meeting
>
> Friday 3 February:
> 10:45am-10:55 - PA Prep
2
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> 1100-1120 - Tri-West Healthcare Alliance - SD participate in
> cermeony presenting portraits of MoH recipients - location TBD.
>,
> Wednesday 22 February,
> 1:15am-l:30 - PA prep
> 1:30pm-2:15 - Outreach w/Retired Military Analysts & civilian
> Defense Experts - location TBD
>
> Tuesday 28 February:
> 8:45am-9:00- PA prep
> 9:00am-9:20 - Meet w/Nationa1 Guard Youth Challenge Group - location
> TED
>
> Friday 10 March:
> 11:10am-11:20 - PA Prep
> 11:25 - Walk to POAC
> 11: 30am-ll :'50 - Meet w/USA Basketball Leadership (ASY event) @ POAC
>
> Thursday 16 March:
> 1:lspm-l:30 - PA prep
> 1:30pm-2:15 - Outreach w/Strategaic Communicators
>
>
-
> Let me know if this works - thanks,
>
>
>
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From: .
Sent:
To: , ,
, Whitman, Bryan, SES,
OASD-PA;
"Kim i Barber, Allison, SES, OASD·PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OSO; Merritt, Roxie T,
CAPT, OASD-PA;
Cc:
Subject: RE: 22 Feb Outreach· time.
• •
I just spoke with Allison; Since they have a nice group of 8 Analysts plus a few outside DoD, let's
move this to the SeeDef Dining Room -- it is a nicer room and we can set for coffee, etc. ----and it will
be easier for the SecDefto talk to them, etc. ---lIB
--
Thanks,
-·---Original Message--·_·
From: ~Mld ClV, 050
To: ._"~~~I!I
Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD·PA;

• _
Barber, Allison, SES, OASD·Pk Ruff Eric SES OSO' Merritt Roxie T CAPT OASD-Pk
Cc: ri5flil
. CIV, OASO·.u,..Richard,
crv, OSD •
crv, JeS, OOCS; • •
J1;'
Capt. USMC, OASO-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASO·PA (b)(6)
Col OASO·PA;
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CIV, JCS, ovoes
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SUbject: RE: 22 Feb Outreach . time.
Confirming that we are still on for tomorrow as shown below - room? Is it BI

·---·Onglnal Message--·-
From: ri1~K~~"'S1:1• • • crv, OSD
Sent:
To: Wedne~[ FebrUaryIlliO~8,~2~0~06~1~1~:S~9.A.M~~~~~~~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
r.~1 ~ I
n, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; 'Uti,s; ; ; i ; ; i
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CAPT, OASO·PA; • _.
, Barber Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, _ e T. £
Lawrenc£t Dallas, OASO-PA; •
)/BL_~ ~ A;. • IV,
(b)(6)
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Subject: 22 Feb Outreach - time.
For the outreach on 22 Feb, is it possible to adjust the time to start 15 minutes later - new time would be:
1:30pm-1 :45· PA Prep

1:45pm-2:30 • Outreach
Let me know - thanks,

~mm.
·_-·-Original Message-·--
From: firilCi ; eIV,OSD
Sent: Friday, January 13, 20069:19 AM
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To:
Cc: CIV, JCS, OVCJCS

Subject:
Friday 3 February:
10:45am-1 0:55 - PA Prep
1100-1120 - Tri-West Healthcare Alliance - SD participate in cermeony presenting portraits of MoH recipients
location TBD.
Wednesday 22 February:
1:15am-1:30· PA Prep
1:30pm-2:15 - Outreach w/Retired Military Analysts &Civilian Defense Experts -location TBD
Tuesday 28 February:
8:45am-9:00- PA Prep
9:00am-9:20 - Meet w/National Guard Youth Challenge Group - location TBD
Friday 10 March:
11:10am-11:20 - PA Prep
11 :25 - Walk to POAC
11 :30am-11 :50 • Meet w/USA Basketball Leadership (ASY event) @ POAC
Thursday 16 March:
1:15pm-1:30 - PA Prep
1:30pm-2:15 - Outreach w/Strategaic Communicators
-
Let me know if this works - thanks,
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From: tmmJ
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CIV, OASD-PA
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 20061:35 PM
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
Subject: Re: 22 Feb Outreach - time,
Nope. We'll do it tomorrow. Ab has changed the policy on this. She wants them distro'd the
day of, so that no one can make edits.
Thx
rmtI
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
To: rJMhl CIV, OASD- PA
Sent: Tue Feb 21 13:33:17 2006
Subject: Fw: 22 Feb Outreach - time.
Please tell me we have a read ahead done and distributed.
Dallas Lawrence
Director, Office of Community Relations and Public Liaison
-----Original
From:
To:
Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA;

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OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OSD; Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PA;
rn.mi.~ ••ililiI.illillliillillllillilliil.;
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OASD-PA; Bucci, Steven, Dr., OSD; ~ftkri , CIV, OASD-PA: •
OASD-PA; CIV, OSD: • • LtCOl, OSD:
OSD; CIV, OSD
CC: • • CIV, JCS, OCJCS; (b)(6) CIV, JCS, OVCJCS
Sent: TUe Feb 21 13:31:45 2006
Confirming that we are still on for tomorrow as shown below - room? Is it 3E733?
-----Original Messaie----
From: tl3fld II CIV, OSD
Sent: wed,nesday , February 08, 2006 11:59 AM
To: /i5fffi I
• •
OASD-PA:
Whitman, Bryan, SES,

ijSNi~ : Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA;
Ruff, Eric, SES,
CAPT, OASD-PA; ij!!\ihl ] 2 :
~ ~;~' OO~~~~~~; Bucci, yew, Dr. , ~i~:

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Cc: CIV, OSD' • •
Cicio,.. CIV I••O.S.D• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • •
SUbject: 22 Feb Outreach - time. '
For the outreach on 22 Feb, is it possible to adjust the time to start 15 minutes later
1
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new time would be:
1:30pm-1:45 - PA Prep
1:45pm-2:30 - Outreach
Let me know - thanks,

~:\fm
CIV, OSD
13, 2006 9:19 AM
whitman, Bryan, SES,
RE: PA - Schedule Items from 12 Jan Meeting
Friday 3 February:
lO:45am-10:55 - PA Prep
1100-1120 - Tri-West Healthcare Alliance - SD participate in cermeony presenting portraits
of MoH recipients - location TaD.
1:15am-1:30 - PA Prep
1:30pm-2:15 - Outreach w!Retired Military Analysts & Civilian Defense Experts - location
TaD
9:00am-9:20 - Meet w!National Guard Youth Challenge Group - location TaD
Friday 10 March:
11:10am-11:20 - PA Prep
11:25 - Walk to POAC
11:30am-11:50 - Meet w!USA Basketball Leadership (ASY event) @ POAC
Thursday 16 March:
1:15pm-l:30 - PA Prep
1:30pm-2:15 - Outreach w!Strategaic Communicators
meal
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,From: ' Barber, Allison, SES, OASD(PA) [allison.barber~
Sent: Tuesda ,Februa 21 20061:35 PM
To:
; Whitman, Bryan, SES,
: Barber Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OSD; Merritt, Roxie T.
CAPT,OASD-PA; awrence, Dallas, OASD-PA;
Cc:
yes that is correct.

ab
: F;~~~-original MesSage--j-·CIV,
OSP
> [maHto
> Sent:
> To:
>
> Whitman, B~ SES, OASP-PA; ~3uri
> OASP-PA; rJ51IS_ CIV, OSP; Reinhard, paniel E., CTR, OSP-P&R;
> Barber, Allison, SES, OASP-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OSP; Merritt, Roxie T.
> CAPT, OASP-PA; ~5U9 Capt. USMC, OASP-PA; Lawrence, Pallas,
> OASP-PA; NMlri ' CIV, OASP-PA; BUcci, Steven, Pr., OSP;
CIV, OASP-PA; NM Col OASP-PA;.:: I
OSP; • LtCol, OSP; ~~i I
CIV, OSD
CIV, JCS, OCJCS; CIV, JCS, OVCJCS
RE: 22 Feb Outreach - time.
>
> Confirming that we are still on for tomorrow as shown below - room? Is
> it • • • •
>
> Cathy
>
>
>
F;~~~-Original Meisaie.-.-.-.-.-. . . . . . .
> Sent: , February 08,
> To: ~. YNI, OSP;
• CIV, OSD; • • CIV, OASP-PA'

> CIV, OASP-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SESfj'm0taAjSiiP.-iPiA.;._1I
•
, CIV, OASP-PA; • • CIV, OSP; ~5Tht I
> CTR, OSP-P&R: Barber Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; RUff, Eric, SES, OASP-PA; Merritt, Roxie T.
> CAPT, OASP-PA: Capt. USMC, OASP-PA; Lawrence, Pallas,
> OASP-PA; CIV, OASP-PA: Bucci Steven, Pr., OSP;
> OASP-PA; • • Col OASP-PA;~,
> OSP;~-
> CIV, asp;
> Cc: OCJCS; b)(6) CIV, JCS,
> OVCJCS
> Subject: 22 Feb Outreach - time.
>
> For the outreach on 22 Feb, is it possible to adjust the time to
> start 15 minutes later - new time would be:
>
> 1:30pm-l:45 - PA Prep
> 1:45pm-2:30 - Outreach
>
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> Let me know - thanks,
> tb1fldl
>

> From: crv, OSO
> sent: Frida 13, 2006 9:19 AM
> TO:. • YN1 OSO; CIV, OSO;
>~ CIV, 0130; • • OASO-PA;
> ~ CIV, O~ ~w.mfll Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Turenne, Jr,
> Bill., CIV, OASO-PA; • • CIV, OSD; firl.dmflli9n• • • • • • • •
> CTR, OSD-P&R; Barber, Allison, crv, OASO-PAi Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PAi Merritt, Roxie T.
> CAPT, OASO-PA; ij~C; Capt. USMC, OASO-PA; Lawrence, Dallas,
> OASD-PA; • • CIV, OASD-PA; Bucci, Steven, Dr.,
OASD-PA; • Col OASD-PA;
>
..ill
LtCol, OSDi ~.nn9l
>
> CIV, JCS, OVCJCS
> Subject: RE: PA - Schedule Items from 12 Jan Meeting
>
> Friday 3 February:
> 10:45am-10:55 . PA Prep
> 1100-1120 - Tri-West Healthcare Alliance - SD participate in
> cermeony presenting portraits of MoH recipients - location TBD.
>
> Wednesday 22 February:
> 1:15am-1:30 - PA Prep
> 1:30pm-2:15 - Outreach w/Retired Military Analysts & Civilian
> Defense Experts - location TBD
>
> Tuesday 28 February:
> 8:4sam-9:00- PA Prep
> 9:00am-9:20 - Meet wjNational Guard Youth Challenge Group - location
> TBD
>
> Friday 10 March:
> 11:10am-11:20 - PA Prep
> 11:25 - Walk to POAC
> 11:30am-11:50 - Meet wjUSA Basketball Leadership (ASY event) @ POAC
>
> Thursday 16 March:
> 1:15pm-1:30 - PA Prep
> 1:30pm-2:1S - Outreach w/strategaic Communicators
>
>
> Let me know if this works - thanks,
>
>
> ,.......-----Original Message----
>
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From: (b)(6) CIV, OASD-PA

To: CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: (Babbin) Fiddling with FISA
http-:// 'WFWJ!p.~~.tillQr,Qtg!.9~p=~r.ti~1~~a.~p-7.artj.d=.9AJ:t
Fiddling with FISA
By J.~.g.6.QRP'jn
Published 2/21/2006 12:09:43 AM
Our republic will not die of terrorism, but of euphemism. Congress doesn't declare war, it passes
resolutions authorizing military force. The president doesn't veto the worst legislation, he issues
"signing statements" that reinterpret Congressional language to fit the president's ideas. And where
does that leave those who are trying to fight a war against terrorists and their state sponsors? Drifting,
befogged by the wobblies that surround them. Churchill said that when you mean to kill someone, it
costs nothing to be polite. In the matter of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act -- FISA _. we
r,equire much less politeness and a lot more clarity. '
Congress is about to fiddle with FISA and the results will, inevitably, be bad. In fact, even before they
are reached, the legislative process, leaking as it does, may do severe damage to the nation's security.
Last week, after being beaten about the head and shoulders for almost two months by the New York
Times and the rest, the Bush administration apparently agreed to do that which it had hitherto refused.
According to a statement by Kansas' Republican Pat Roberts, chairman of the Senate Intelligence
Committee, the administration has come on board with the senators and congressmen who want to
amend FISA to deal with their various kinds of dyspepsia the program 'has produced in them. Would
that they had, instead, reached for the flask or the Maalox. The FISA fight is the signature clash of the
executive and legislative branches in the war on terrorism. Like the War Powers Act before it, FISA
attempts to circumscribe what the president can and cannot do in dealing with foreign threats. And, like
the War Powers Act before it, every president since FISA's enactment hasn't scrupled at ignoring it (in
FISA's case with warrantless searches) while, at the same time, working hard to appear he's following
it.
On the political side, President Bush can accept some sort of Congressional me-tooism on the NSA
program. It injures not our Constitution if Congress endorses what the president is already doing to
gather foreign intelligence. If the FISA amendments could be no more than that, there would be little
reason for concern. But with a Democratic party still sunk in the Michael Mooron fever swamp, the
FISA amendments may include enough anti-Bush hysteria that the president may be forced to do what
he has never yet done: veto a bill passed by Congress. And we may have to take a hand in getting him
to do it.
On one side, Sen. Roberts plans to use the FISA amendments to expand the list of leaks for which
people can be prosecuted criminally. Which could be good but is almost certainly unnecessary. Given
the administration's manana approach to leak investigations, no matter how many crimes may be
committed by leaking our top secrets, it's unlikely that anyone will ever go to jail for the leaks no
matter how many more crimes are defined. Where, may you ask, is the criminal investigation of Sens.
Durbin, Rockefeller and Wyden for leaking a top-secret satellite program? Like the Energizer Bunny, it
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keeps going and going. And unlike said bunny, it's apparently going nowhere. (Please. Don't even
whisper about the Plame Name Blame Game. It's gallows humor, not a leak. It hurt Scooter Libby's
career, and nothing else. Certainly not national security.)
So if Roberts expands the list of criminal leaks, the Dems will exact their pound of flesh and require
more court supervision of the NSA program. They will try to impose more of the usual civilian court
functions on NSA such as "probable cause." To make a legal search for admissible evidence of crime,
you have to have probable cause (usually an affidavit swom by a law enforcement agent on the basis of
evidence already in hand) justifying a warrant. Under FISA, the probable cause standard only requires
the court to find that the subject to be surveilled is a foreign agent. What, then, if the Fourth
Amendment criminal standard for probable cause is extended to the NSA program? In short, the vast
majority of infonnation now being gathered by NSA -- legally, under the president's inherent
Constitutional powers -- will be lost because that standard won't be met.
Tactical information -- those numbers programmed into a terrorist's speed dial -- is enough to justify a
sudden visit by a SEAL platoon to your cave near Kabul but not enough to justify a search warrant to
tap your phone in Tappahannock. Throughout American history, the Judicial Branch has -- wisely, and
in accord with the Founders' vision of its function -- steered clear of ruling on issues that are the
president's to decide in the conduct of a war. In this case, Congress is aiming to put the courts in
precisely the position they have properly avoided. And the more the courts are involved in the NSA
program -- and those that come after it -- the less likely those programs will do what they must in
defense of our nation because the courts will not just second-guess: they will erect barriers that will
have the same effect as the famous "Wall" that prevented intelligence agencies from sharing
information with their law enforcement counterparts to "connect the dots" before 9-11. Congress, as the
president should have said, demands that the administration connect the dots and then takes away all its
pens and pencils.
It's entirely possible that the president will let something patently unconstitutional -- like the McCain
Graham "anti-torture" amendment -- become law after issuing a toughly-worded "signing statement"
that basically says the president will only enforce this law up to what he believes are its constitutional
lImits. Which is kind of like saying he'll break the law when he wants to, and leaves all our guys and
gals interrogating prisoners twisting in the wind, subject to the whim of any federal prosecutor who
wants to define the terms the law leaves vague. The president erred badly in that one. He cannot repeat
the error on FISA.
Another president will have to take over this war when Mr. Bush leaves office in three years. And that
next president may not share _. or be bound by -- the sentiments expressed in a signing statement.
President Bush, if faced with a FISA amendment that creates a limitation on his inherent power, should
veto the bill. And he should be subjected to the same amount of pressure from conservatives he felt on
the Miers nomination when and if a FISA mess presents itself.
We need to do everything we can -- everything the Constitution allows -- to prosecute this war. In
order to do that, we must also press ahead, with determination and appropriate speed, to prosecute and
punish leakers. The administration, not being on great terms with Congress, is slacking on
investigations of leaks by members and staffs even as the FISA amendments are about to be taken up.
Last Friday I interviewed Attorney General Alberto Gonzales for the Hugh Hewitt Show. Weeks ago,
before he appeared before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Gonzales wrote to Chairman Arlen Specter
(R-PA) about some of the considerations he had over Congressional action on FISA. High on the list
was his explanation of why the administration hadn't pursued FISA amendments before. Gonzales said
then that members of Congress warned that the legislative process might compromise the NSA
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program. That is, Congress leaks so badly it couldn't be trusted to look at the details of the program. I
asked him pointedly if those problems had been resolved. He demurred. ln short, without saying so, the
AG was repeating that Congress still can't be trusted with secrets.
What is more urgent a task for the administration and Congress: fiddling with F1SA or finding and
punishing the Congressional and administration leakers? Before either can undertake the fonner, they
must both cooperate in accomplishing the latter. We are a nation at war. We cannot afford to have an
untrustworthy Congress. Let the matter be pressed, and let the chips fall where they may.
TAS contributing editor Jed Babbin is the author oflnshk..th~.AsylYm: Why the UN and Old
Europe Are Worse Than You Think (Regnery, 2004).
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From: JedBabbin_
To: tmcinerney@ aulvallel • nashct@iKTIA; Glenstrae77~

BURM41516 •• •• CIV, OASD-PA; WSSlnter@1mm_
rOberthscales~. •
SUbject: FI SA Fiddling - Today's Spectator
This is almost certain to be so bad, even President Bush will have to veto it.
Jed Babbin
(Horne Office)
(Fax)
(Mobile)
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From: . ,Hemingway, Thomas, BG, DoD OGC

Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:44AM
To: Stimson, Charles D. (Cully), CIV, OSO-POLICY
Cc: IdS CIV, OSO-POllCY; • • CIV, OSO·POllCY; (b)(6)
CIV, USA, OSO.POLlCY; Ruff, Eric, SES, aso
Subject: Response to UN Report
Attachments: LEGAL-#21648-v3-USG_Reply-to_SR_GTMO_Report_2006.DOC
Cully,
Thanks very much for taking this on. Jed Babbin's Cell Phone number is: His home office number ismii
N"fi'j He indicated to me earlier this morning that cell phone would be the best way to track him down today.
Attached is the draft DoS response to the Special Report and a link to a John Bellinger press conference that should be
useful. I may be able to supply you with .additional talking points on errors in the report later this morning. I'll get the to you
as soon as possible.
Tom
Thomas L. Hemingway, Brig Gen, USAF

Legal Advisor to the Appointing Authority
Office of M.commissions (000)
RoomtmTrA
Crystal City
LEGAL-#21648-v3
USG_ReplY-to_S...
Bellinger comments:
http://fpc.state.gov/fpc/61444.htm
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From: . riJ.mlil•• • • • CIV, OSO·POLICY

Sent: Friday, Februa 17,20068:27 AM
To: • CIV, OSO-POLlCY; Ruff, Eric, SES, OSO; Hemihgway, Thomas,
BG, DoD OGC; CIV, OSO-POLICY
Cc: ~ma5l1tmmn.; • • •"CIV, USA, OSO-POLlCY;fiJlJ'li5"~Ir.IH-- CTR, OSD-POLICY
Subject: Re:HELP!!
Gen hemingway ... Please tell me you'll get the opportunity to give your "rights to
killers" speech on air. :) I gotta be online and listen to that!
III be available with cully when this happens. Keep me in the CC chain. Thanks!
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From: Mn i CIV, OSD-POLICY
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OSD; Hemingway, Thomas, ~~aI""". CIV, OSO-POLICY
~ij!Whi j CIV, USA, OSD-POLICYi OSO-POLICY; ~nuH
1.'JII~ CTR, OSD-POLICY
Sent: Fri Feb 17 08:23:09 2006
Subject: RE: HELPl!
Okay, I'm comfortable doing the telephone interview. Would appreciate your staff's
assistance since this is my first public interview. I've got the substantive points here,
but could use your professional assistance in making contact with him to do the interview,
and establishing the ground rules. Barb is not in today. Best times for me would be
between 11:30 and 3:30.
Please cc I and I • as I am in meetings throughout the day.

Thanks.
From: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 6:19 AM
To: Hemingway, Thomas, BG, 000 OGC; ·~.~.IIIIIIII. CIV, OSD-POLICY; /lfiiimlURn• • • • • • • •
~ftt~ CIV, OSO-POLICY
Subject: Re: HELPl!
I don't have a proiblem w/being on the record to reaffirm the need for gtmo and that we
absolutely do not torture. Also, remind the audience -- get jed to raise it first if you
can -- of the manchester document and it's terrorist training instructions on how to lie
about torture, etc.
This said, jed is no fan of the un and he will have some very political statements about
the organization and how he perceives it is an anti-u.s. operation, etc. If anybody does
the interview there should be a groundrule -- and jed understands this -- that dod doesn't
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do politics and we can talk factually about the issue, not rhetorically. Thanks.
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From: Hemingway, Thomas, BG, DoD OGC
To: ij!ri1d CIV, OSD-POLICY;

CIV, OSD-POLICY
CC: Ruff, Eric, SES, OSD
Sent~ Fri Feb 17 05:15:47 2006
Subject: HELP!!
, .
Would either of you be interested in doing a telephone interview with Jed Babbin this
morning to help him rebut the UN report? If not, would you have any objection to my doing
so?
Tom
Office of Military Commissions (000)
Room ij5fij
Crystal City
tmtii •
From: JedBabbin@ij~hi [mailto;JedBabbin~~
Sent: Thursda~ebruary~6, 2006 18:30
To: hemingwt~ ....
Subj ect: HELP!!
Tom: I'm subbing for Hugh Hewitt again tomorrow, and want to bash the UN report. I asked
for Jay Hood and got the answer that the military isn't going out on that now. Can you do
it? Please call asap. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(Fax)
,
(Mobile)
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From: • • CIV, OSD-POLICY

Sent: Friday, February 17, 20068:23 AM
To: R. u~iJEriC, SESjSD; Hemingway, Thomas, BG, DoD oGc;ra5TM i CIV, OSD~Y
Cc: [lILt CIV, USA, OSD-POLlCY;r,5fl:t CIV,OSD-POLlCY;lWlwa
mTlCTR, OSD-POLICY
Subject: RE: HELP!!
Okay, I'm comfortable doing the telephone interview. Would appreciate your staff's
assistance since this is my first public interview. I've got the substantive points here,
but could use your professional assistance in making contact with him to do the interview,
and establishing the ground rules. Barb is not in today. Best times for me would be
between 11:30 and 3:30.
Please cc (b)(6) and (b)(6) as I am in meetings throughout the day.
Thanks.
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006

6:19 AM
To: Hemingway, Thomas, BG, DoD OGC: CIV, OSD-POLICY; b)(6)
n~~ CIV, OSD-POLICY

Subject: Re: HELP!!
I don't have a proiblem w/being on the record to reaffirm the need for gtmo and that we
absolutely do not torture. Also, remind the audience -- get jed to raise it first i f you
can -- of the manchester document and it's terrorist training instructions on how to lie
about torture, etc.
This said, jed is no fan of the un and he will have some very political statements about
the organization and how he perceives it is an anti-u.s. operation, etc. If anybody does
the interview there should be a groundrule -- and jed understands this -- that dod doesn't
do politics and we can talk factually about the issue,' not rhetorically. Thanks.
-----ariginal Message----
From: Hemingway, Thomas, BG, DoD aGC
To: nWU9 , CIV, aSD-POLICY; CIV, aSD-POLICY
CC: Ruff, Eric, SES, OSD
Sent: Fri Feb 17 05:15:47 2006
Subject: HELP!!
(b)(6)
Would either of you be interested in doing a telephone interview with Jed Babbin this
morning to help him rebut the UN report? If not, would you have any objection to my doing
so?
Tom
Office of Military Commissions (DoD)
fJ5T»J
Cr stal Cit
•
From: JedBabbin@aol.com [mailto:JedBabbin~
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 18:30
To: hemingwt@~.~.IIIIII.
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sUbj ect: HELP!!
Tom: . I'm sUbbing for Hugh Hewitt again tomorrow, and want to bash the UN report. I asked
for Jay Hood and got the answer that the military isn't going out on that now. Can you do
it? Please call asap. Best. Jed.
Jed Babbin
(Fax)
(Mobile)
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From: ' • • LTC USSOUTHCOM JTFGTMO

[Jeremy. M. Martjn@'~r.b='flt'lla:tiiiliiiiii.iiij
Sent: Thursda . February 16, 2006 9:47 PM
To: • • SD-PA; • • LTC USSOUTHCOM JTFGTMO;
"jedbabbin
Cc: Ruff, Eric, SES, OSD
Subject: RE: UN Gitmo Report
Hi.
We received the word from se that OSD and higher are engaging relative to the UN report,
boss concurs.
Vr,
JM

From:~fttla eIV, OASD-PA
To: iJ!!!fihi
Ij edbabbin<G(U\Tlii
Cc: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA

Sent: 2/16/200'6 8: 51 AM
Subject; RE; UN Gitmo Report
hi (mIld
jed babbin would like to see if gen hood would be available to tape a radio interview
today for the hugh hewitt show reo the latest UN report .... doable?
would you respond to jed?? he will follow up with you.

thanks
ram
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Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:27 AM
To: ' j edbabbin@t'5fld ; riMA
Cc: [31m I CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: Re: UN Gitmo Report
Jed, ti5f/Mis now at state. I tecommend you contact (4DTl.d* the usmc Hc
pao at gtmo. ~ can you please give jed the number? I'm on the hill.
Thanks
~/Eric: I'm subbing for Hugh Hewitt tomorrow 6-9 pm EST, Salem Radio
Net nationwide. Any chance of getting rr:\TRI or Jay Hood on to address
the latest UN diatribe? please let me know asap. Can probably pretape
as early as 5 pm. Thanks. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
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(home fax)
(mobile)
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From:' • • • • elV, OASD-PA
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:55 PM
SUbject: RE: Letter to the Editor
gasp. are you telling me to.tell a lie???? surely not! ;)

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006.3: 28 PM
To:.. • CIV, OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, SES, OASD-PAj Lawrence, Dallas, OAsD-PA
Subject: Re: Letter to the Editor
How 'bout this: never heard of the dude. That work?

From:. CIV, OASD-PA
To: Barber, Allison, SES, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PAi Ruff, Eric, SES, OSD
Sent; Thu Feb 16 14;38:44 2006
Subject: RE: Letter to the Editor
you are right .. '. that is exactly what i told him!· :)

From: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA
Sent: Thursda~February 16, 2006 2:28 PM"
To: III CIV, CASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OSD
Subject: Re: Letter to the Editor
Hi
Important to remember that heritage can invite anyone to pr~sent and that we don't really
have an opinion on anyone.
Nice of them to inquire but we can't endorse folks. I am sure that is what you told him,
but if he calls back, you might remind him.
Thanks
Ab
From: CIV, OASD-PA
To: Barber, Allison, SES, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OSD
Sent; Thu Feb 16 11:58;26 2006
Subject: FW: Letter to the Editor
hi. dana dillon, one of our military analysts from the heritage foundation, just contacted
me about steve short (i forwarded this letter to the editor to you a week or two ago, but
am reattaching to jog your memory). heritage is looking at putting some kind of event
together on gitmo (in short order) and wanted to know if we were ok with them inviting
steve to present. i told him i'd spoken with steve in the past and he seems to be on
message and very articulate ... jed babbin has also interviewed him and came away with the
same impression. i don't know that heritage is looking for any other support at this time,
but just wanted to give everyone a heads up. i asked dana to keep me in the loop. i
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forwarded him this letter so he would have it as a POint of reference for where steve is
coming from.
thanks
rm1
From: , •
To: ij!fiid CIV, OASD-PA'
Subject: Letter to the Editor
rmYmI
Just a heads up. Recently, ARMY TIMES ran an editorial critical of MG Geoffrey Miller
regarding his silence with regard to alleged detainee abuse in Iraq and to a lesser extent
in Guantanamo. I responded to ARMY TIMES with a letter to the editor (attached). I
received an email from ARMY TIMES indicating they may run my letter. I didn't want your
office to be surprised with my response. Just keeping your folks informed.
CSM, USA (Retired)
" Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigue of supporting
it." Thomas Paine
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From:' rOOM CIV, OASD-PA

To: Ruff Eric, SES, OSD' Barber, Allison, elv OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
Cc: • • ; • • CIV, OASD
PA
Subject: FW: Vallely on Fox tonight
fyi
rmm
From: Paul Vallely [mailto:paulvallely@ (b)(6)
To:
(b)(6)
Cc:
Subject: RE: [Fwd: Fw: ~ew Bumper Sticker]
Hannity and colmes tonight on fox
on gitmo
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From: • • OASD-PA
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11 :58 AM
To: Barber, Allison, SES, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OSD
Attachments: MGMlller.doc
hi. dana dillon, one of our military analysts from the heritage foundation, just contacted me about steve short (i
forwarded this letter to the editor to you a week or two ago, but am reattaching to jog your memory). heritage is
looking at putting some kind of event together on gitmo (in short order) and wanted to know if we were ok with
them inviting steve to present. i told him i'd spoken with steve in the past and he seems to be on message and
very articulate... jed babbin has also interviewed him and came away with the samejmpression. i don't know that
heritage is looking for any other support at this time, but just wanted to give everyone a heads up. j asked dana to
keep me in the loop. i forwarded him this letter so he would have it as a point of reference for where steve is
coming from.
thanks
m
From: Steve Short [mailto:sshort@Nbf{d

To: timld av, OASD-PA'
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J ust a heads up. Recently, ARMY TIMES ran an editorial critical of MG Geoffrey Miller
regarding his silence with regard to alleged detainee abuse in Iraq and to a lesser extent
in Guantanamo. I responded to ARMY 77ME,5 with a letter to the editor (attached). I
received an email from ARMY TIMES indicating they may run my letter. Ididn 't want
your office to be surprised with my response. Just keeping your folks informed
Stephen W Short
CSM, USA (Retired)
" Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the
fatigue of supporting it." Thomas Paine
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Department of the Army .
Headquarters, 384th Military Police Battalion
2233 Nuttman Avenue
Ft. Wayne, IN 46809-1384
From the Desk of

CSM (Ret.) Steve Short
Letter to the Editor

Army Times
Springfield, VA
Dear Editor:
I read your editorial, "A Shameful Silence" in the 30 January 06

issue of Army Times and I too was ashamed, not of MG Geoffrey
Miller, but of your editorial staff. While I cannot attest to
General Miller's time in Iraq, I did work with him for almost a
year in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba with JTF-Guantanamo and I've never
served with a more dedicated responsible leader.
MG Miller was an extremely difficult person to work for, but that

was because he always demanded that the mission be done to
standard. His passion for accomplishing the mission and taking
care of his troops was in the finest traditions of the United
States Army. In all of the briefings I attended on the care and
custody of our detainees, I never witnessed one aspect of the
mission that would be considered inappropriate in the treatment of
our detainee population. His insistence that detainees be treated
properly by both our military police as well as our intelligence
operatives was always paramount.
I realize that there are many facets and points of view in dealing
with the just treatment of American soldiers as they face military
justice, and as a senior NCO, I certainly do not want junior
enlisted and NCO's taking the brunt of punishment if their superior
officers are equally or more complicit, but your reckless words
describing MG Geoffrey Miller and his motives have tarnished the
image of an outstanding officer who has worked tirelessly to
protect this nation against the evil that threatens us.
Very respectfully,
Stephen W. Short
CSM, USA (Retired)
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CIV. OASD-PA
Sent: Thursday, February 16,200610:13 AM
oh ok, got it .... thanks. ~

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To: iji\Tl5 , CIV, OASD- PA
Inasmuch as jed is asking as a journalist vice analyst, for access, I think you need to
not be in the middle. Pia isn't something you want to be seen as doing in this kind of a
direct sense.
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From: nnr~ CIV, OASD-PA
Sent: Thu Feb 16 10:04:07 2006
ok .... altho i do think jeremy will get that i'm not telling him to do it. just making the
connection so he can say yes or no? did you get a different impression??
To: ijSUA CIV, OASD-PA
~ probably should have used a lighter touch, meaning just giving jed the info and
letting him run thungs to ground.
----~Original Message----
From: M~ij CIV, OASD-PA
To: rUUf:t 'jedbabbin@~"IIII"
CC: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
Sent: Thu Feb 16 08:51:28 2006
Subject: RE: UN Gitmo Report'
hi fUUm.,
jed babbin would like to see if gen hood would be available to tape a radio interview
today for the hugh hewitt show reo the latest UN report .... doable?
would you respond to jed?? he will follow up with you.
thanks
rmTI
TO:~; 'Matthew.Waxman@/iJ'Ja-3LWtfF.H:II·
Cc: ~ CIV, OASD-PA
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Jed, matt is now at state. I tecommend you contact jeremy, the usmc ltc pao at gtmo.
~. can you please give jed the number? I'm on the hill. ,Thanks
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From: JedBabbin@ij~a
To: Matthew.Waxman~wa5iifi~~ji
..
CC: eric.ruff@ij5tIA
Sent: Thu Feb 16 07:59:54 2006
Subject: UN Gitmo Report
Matt/Eric: I'm subbing for Hugh Hewitt tomorrow 6-9 pm EST, Salem Radio Net nationwide.
Any chance of getting Matt or Jay Hood on to address the latest UN diatribe? Please let
me know asap. Can probably pretape as early as 5 pm. Thanks. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home office)
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From: .
Sent:
JedBabbin@rmTa
Thursday, February 16,20068:54 AM
. To: ~Mld elY, OASD-PA; (b)(6)

Cc: Ruff, Eric, SES, OSO
Col.~ The interview would be for TOMORROW, not today. I'm subbing for Hugh Hewitt, and
we're live 6-9 pm EST. Would much rather have Jay Hood live, but can pretape as early as 5 pm. Please let me
know. I'd really like to hit the UN hard, and the Hewitt show is national, so it'd be a good opportunity for the
general to get out there. He knows me (I was at Gitmo last July, and have had him as a guest on radio at least
once before) Many thanks. Please let me know. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From:" JedBabbin@lliltm1l
" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:48 AM
To: Ruff Eric, SES, OSD
Cc:
tb1Tl5 elV, OASD-PA
Subject:
Re: UN Gitmo Report
Eric: Thanks. m follow up with. Best, Jed.

Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From: JedBabbin~
To: Matthew.Waxman@'lftTb)W
Cc: Ruff, Eric, SES, bSD
SUbject: UN Gitmo Report
MattlEric: I'm subbing for Hugh Hewitt tomorrow 6-9 pm EST, Salem Radio Net nationwide. Any
chance of getting Matt or Jay Hood on to address the latest UN diatribe? Please let me know asap.
Can probably pretape as early as 5 pm. Thanks. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From: _ CIV, OASD·PA

To: 'Gordon Cucullu'
Subject: RE: Tomorrow's conference call
hi there.
we've sent the request along tomtmlln army pa for general geoff miller. however, i think his lawyers may
have advised him not to talk to anyone. if it's not possible, i may have a suggestion to make. i am in contact with
the csm who was there under general miller and might suggest you ask if he'd be interested in talking to you. his
name is steve short. here is a letter he wrote to the editor of the army times, as a little background for you...
as for the map, i will ask and get back to you.

hope all ;s well,
m
From: Gordon Cucullu [mailto:colonelgordon~

To: • •
Subject: Tomorrow's conference call
H i , . I'll join the call, thanks.
New subject, would a map showing AQ training bases in Afghanistan prior to OEF be available that we
could use in the Gitmo book?
And is it possible to arrange an interview with General Jeff Miller?
Thanks for all, Gordon
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From: .
Sent:
To: ~~I11111..~~nashct@ _
.liC.IV, OASD-PA; W~
Subject:
More and more, this is less and less funny.
Jed Babbin
(home office)
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From: .
Sent:
To:
Hemingway, Thomas, BG, 000 OGC
Saturday, February 11. 2006 5:08 PM
Ruff, Eric, SES, OSD
SUbject: Heather Smith
Importance: High
Eric
I'm in Chicago attending the American Bar Association mid-year meeting. , just called my office number to retrieve my
messages and found one from Heather Smith who works for the Laura Ingraham program. Her cell phone number is
. . . . . . , think they were looking for someone to rebut the NYT article about detainees tube feeding. In any event-- .
I'd appreciate it if you would give her a call and pass on my apologies for not returning her call in a more timely manner.
You might also want to let her know how to reach you on short notice. That's a program we should support. I believe she
got my contact information through Jed Babbin, another supportive member of the media.
Tom
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From: . _OCPA
Sent: Saturday, Februa711, 200612:12 PM
To: 'JedBabbin@@• • • •
Subject: RE: Thank you - Hugh Hewitt guest-host request: Interview Bagram Facility co mmander-
(17... (UNCLASSIFIED)
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
Very good, Sir. vlr-.
From: JedBabbin@ mailto:JedBabbin~

~~t: satur.t Febru_2006 12:11 PM
Cc: Eric.Ruff@
Subject: Re: Hugh Hewitt guest-host request: Interview Bagram Facility co mmander (17...
Super; thanks. Please let me kno~~ h e r

He can be reached at~and
i.OU need from me. FYI, Hugh's producer is Duane Patterson.
Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home office)
(home fax)
(mobile)
Caveats: NONE
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From:· JedBabbin@15futW
Sent: M~wVirebru~ry 11,200612:11 PM
To: • • CPA
Cc: Ruff. Eric, SES. OSD
Subject: Re: Hugh Hewitt guest-host request: Interview Bagram Facility co mmander (17...
Super; thanks. Please let me know if there's any other info you need from lIle. FYI, Hugh's producer is Duane
Patterson. He can be reached at dpatterson@rmtm andl(b)(2):=J Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
6656
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From: • • OCPA' •
Sent: Saturday, Februamu 200612:08 PM
To: 'JedBabbin@1GD~'. • OCPA
Subject: RE: Hugh Hewitt guest-host request: Interview Bagram Facility co mmander (17 Feb. 2006,
6-9 p.m. Eastern time) (UNCLASSIFIED)
Caveats: NONE
Sir, I'll see what can be done to assist your below request with a colleague who is in Afghanistan now.
'\Ie')' rtspectfurry,
rmTm
Army Public Afflilirs, Media Relations Division
phone: rdiwJ E·mail: I'lrUMitlr:a 'fa)(: ~
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ple.1SEe d·,) "01 print C(.py forwMd dissemlllate. or otherwise Lise tile InfOlll1allon. Plea,e immeOiately notify [he sender ,md delt'te the copy receilled
Tl~(.ml yOli
Eric!mTIl'li be guest-hosting for Hugh Hewitt on Friday the 17th. I'd very much like to get one of your top people -
perhaps the commander of the facility at Bagram -- on the air to refute this stuff. Please consider. We're on the air 6-9 pm
EST (which, I know is the middle of the night in Afghanistan). Maybe we can pretape. Please let me know who/how we
can air the best defense to this. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(Fax)
(Mobile)
Caveats: NONE
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From:' . JedBabbin@~• • •
Sent: Thursda~Februal09, 2006 5:34 AM
To: jay.nood
SUbject: Laura Ingraham Show
General Hood: I hope you remember me from my visit last summer and our subsequent radio hits. I'm subbing
for Laura Ingraham today, and would like to get you on for ten or fifteen minutes to talk about the hunger strike.
Tough U.S. Steps.in Hunger Strike at Camp in Cuba - New York Times
I'm copying Eric Ruff on this so we can coordinate. Please have your staff let me know. We're on 0900-1200
EST today. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home office)
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From;' eric ruff [ruffongOlf2004@• •~• •
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paul, if you've got the time and inclination, a strong letter to the editor making your points might helP
with setting the record straight. thanks.
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This article is just total crap. J just returned from GITMO and saw how the detainees are being fed and quite well
(5-6000 calories per day and getting fat). Those (only 6 now) that are still on a hunger strike get fed 2-3 times a day
with Ensure and they have a choice of four varieties. None of these terrorists will die on MG HoodaeMs watch (Is that
what their habeas lawyers want ?????a€" dead detainees _. or live ones). It takes 20 minutes to feed those that dona
pMt comply with camp rules (The camp rules are that you eat)a€: .. Left wing propaganda continues to lie to the
American people. There is no abuse or torture going on at GITMO. Bad guys are being detained so as not to kill
innocent people again.
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Tough U.S. Steps in Hunger Strike at Camp in Cuba

ByTIM GOLDEN
United States military authorities have taken tougher measures to force·feed detainees engaged in hunger strikes at
GuantAinamo B~y, Cuba, after concluding that some were determined to commit suicide to protest their indefinite
confinement, military officials have said.
In recent weeks, the officials said, guards have begun strapping recalcitrant detainees into "restraint chairs,"
sometimes for hours a day, to feed them through tubes and prevent them from deliberately vomiting afterward.
Detainees who refuse to eat have also been placed in isolation for extended periods in what the officials said was an
effort to keep them from being encouraged by other hunger strikers. The measures appear to have had drastic effects.
The chief military spokesman at GuantAjnamo, Lt. Col. Jeremy M. Martin, said yesterday that the number of detainees
on hunger strike had dropped to 4 from 84 at the end of December.
Some officials said the new actions reflected concern at GuantAinamo and the Pentagon that the protests were
becoming difficult to control and that the death of one or more prisoners could intensify' international criticism of the
detention center. Colonel Martin said force-feeding was carried out "in a humane and compassionate manner" and
only when necessary to keep the prisoners alive. H e said in a statement that "a restraint system to aid detainee
feeding" was being used but refused to answer questions about the restraint chairs.
Lawyers who have visited clients in recent weeks criticized the latest measures, particularly the use of the restraint
chair, as abusive.
"It is clear that the government has ended the hunger strike through the use of force and through the most brutal and
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i~h.umane types of treatment," said Thomas B. Wilner, a lawyer at Shearman & Sterling in Washington who last
vIsited the six Kuwaiti detainees he represe~ts. "It is a disgrace." . ' . week
T.he (aW¥~rs sal.d oth~r measures ~s~d to dlssua"de the hunger"s~rlkers included placing them in uncomfortably cold
alr.condltlo~ed Isolation cells, depriving them of comfort items like blankets and books and sometimes using riot
control soldiers to compel the prisoners to sit still while long plastic tUbes were threaded down their nasal passages
and into their stomachs. .
Officials of t~e military and the Defense Department strongly disputed that they were taking punitive measures to
break the st~lke. They said that they were sensitive to the ethical issues raised by feeding the detainees involuntarily
and that their procedures were consistent with those of federal prisons in the United States. Those prisons authorize
the involuntary treatment of hunger strikers when there is a threat to an inmate's life or health.
"There is a moral question," the assistant secretary of defense for health affairs, Dr. William Winkenwerder Jr" said in
an interview. "Do you allow a person to commit suicide? Or do you take steps to protect their health and preserve their
life?" .
Dr. Winkenwerder said that after a review of the policy on involuntary feeding last summer Pentagon officials came to
the basic conclusion that it was ethical to stop the inmates from killing themselves.
"The objective in any circumstance is to protect and sustain a person's life," he said.
Some international medical associations and human rights groups, including the World Medical Association, oppose
the involuntary feeding of hunger strikers as coercive.
lawyers for the detainees, although troubled by what they said were earlier reports of harsh treatment of the hunger
strikers, have generally not objected to such actions when necessary to save their clients.
The GuantAinamo prison, which is holding some 500 detainees, has been beset by periodic hunger strikes almost
since it was established in January 2002 to hold foreign terror suspects. At least one detainee who went on a
prolonged hunger strike was involuntarily fed through a nasal tube in 2002, military officials said.
Since last year, the protests have intensified, a sign of what defense lawyers say is the growing desperation of the
detainees In a study released yesterday, two of those lawyers said Pentagon documents indicated that the military
had determined that only 45 percent of the detainees had committed some hostile act against the United States or its
allies and that only 8 percent were fighters for AI Qaeda.
After dozens of detainees began joining a hunger strike last June, military doctors at GuantAjnamo asked Pentagon
officials to review their policy for such feeding. Around that time, officials said, the Defense Department also began
working out procedures to deal with the eventual suicide of one or more detainees, inclUding how and where to bury
them if their native countries refused to accept their remains.
"This is just a reality of long-term detention," a Pentagon official said. "It doesn't matter whether you're at leavenworth
or some other military prison. You are going to have to deal with this kind of thing."
Military officials and detainees' lawyers said the primary rationale for the hunger strikes had evolved since last
summer. In June and July, they said, the detainees were mostly complaining about their conditions at GuantAlnamo.
Several lawyers said that military officers there had negotiated with an English-speaking Saudi detainee, Shaker
Aamer, who is thought to be a leader of the inmates, and that the detainees had agreed to stop their hunger strike in
retum for various concessions.
Military officials denied that such negotiations had occurred. But military officials and the lawyers agreed that when
another wave of hunger strikes began in early August they were more generally focused on the indefinite nature o't the
detentions and that it was harder for the authorities there to address,
Colonel Martin said the number of hunger strikers peaked around Sept. 11 at 131, but added that he could not
speCUlate about Why other than to note that "hunger striking is an AI Oaeda tactic used to elicit media attention and
also to bring pressure on the U.S. government."
Until yesterday, GuantAjnamo officials had acknowledged only having forcibly restrained detainees to feed them a
handful of times. In those cases, the officials said, doctors had restrained detainees on hospital beds using Velcro
straps.
Two military officials, who insisted on anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the question, said that
the use of restraint chairs started after it was found that some hunger strikers were deliberately vomiting in their cells
after having been tube-fed and that their health was growing precarious.
In a telephone interview yesterday, the manufacturer of the so-called Emergency Restraint Chair, Tom Hogan, said his
small Iowa company shipped five $1,150 chairs to GuantAinamo on Dec. 5 and 20 additional chairs on Jan, 10, using
a military postal address in Virginia. Mr. Hogan said the chairs were typically used in jails, prisons and psychiatric·
hospitals to deal with violent inmates or patients.
Mr. Hogan said that he did not know how they were used at GuantAjnamo and that had not been asked how to use
them by military representatives.
Detainees' lawyers said they believed that the tougher approach to the hunger strikes was related to the passage in
Congress of measure intended to curtail the detainees' access to United States courts,
Federal district courts have put aside most lawyers' motions on the detainees' treatment until questions about applying
the measure have been litigated.
"Because of the actions in Congress, the military feels emboldened to take more extreme measures vis-A-vis the
hunger strikers," said one lawyer, Sarah Havens of Allen & Overy. "The courts are going to stay out of it now."
Mr. Wilner, who was among the first lawyers to accept clients at GuantAinamo and represented them in a case in
2004 before the Supreme Court, said a Kuwaiti detainee, Fawzi al-Odah, told him last week that around Dec. 20,
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guards began taking away items like shoes, towels and blankets from the hunger strikers.
Mr. Oda~ al.so said that lozenges that had been distributed to soothe the hunger strikers' throats had disappeared and
that the "qUid formula they were given was mixed with other ingredients to cause diarrhea, Mr. Wilner saJd.
On J.an. 9, Mr. Odah told his lawyers, an officer read him what he described as an order from the GuantAjnamo
commander, Brig. Gen. Jay W. Hood of the Army, saying hunger strikers who refused to drink their liquid formula
voluntarily would be strapped into metal chairs and tube-fed.
Mr. Odah said he heard "screams of pain" from a hunger striker in the next cell as a thick tube was inserted into his-
nose. At the other detainee's urging, Mr. Odah told his lawyers that he planned to end his hunger strike the next day.
Another lawyer, Joshua Colangelo-Bryan, said one of his three Bahraini clients, Jum'ah al-Dossari, told him about 10
days ago that more than half of a group of 34 long-term hunger strikers had abandoned their protest after being
strapped in restraint chairs and having their feeding tUbes inserted and removed so violently that some bled or fainted.
"He said that during these force feedings too much food was given deliberately, which caused diarrhea and in some
cases caused detainees to defecate on themselves," Mr. Colangelo-Bryan added. "Jum'ah understands that officers
told the hunger strikers that if they challenged the United States, the United States would challenge them back using
these tactics."
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SUMMARY
Commentary by military analysts briefed on the NSA domestic surveillance issue was
light. Jed Babbin wrote a piece for American Spectator and was also featured on World
Net Daily. In somewhat related coverage, his appearance on the Jon Batchelor radio show·
was discussed in the National Journal's Hotline and on Hugh Hewitt's radio show
website, in which he alleged that Sen. Rockefeller was the NSA surveillance leak. In TV,
CIA analyst Wayne Simmons argued on Fox News that the President needs a quicker
way to surveil potential terrorist threats and that the hearings may be leaking sensitive
intelligence to the enemy.
JEDBABBIN
Getting With the NSA Program

(The American Spectator Online) ... By Jed Babbin - February 6
Today's Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on the NSA terrorist surveillance operation
will utterly fail to address the two most important facts about it. Neither Attorney General
Gonzales nor the senators questioning him will distinguish between a wartime
intelligence gathering operation, which this is, and a broadly scoped peacetime law
enforcement investigation, which this is not. And though it will shape the soundbites on
which tonight's newscasts will ride, the tension -- no, the enmity -- that governs the
administration's dealings with Congressional Oems will be displayed but not explained.
Last week, DNC Chainnan Howard Dean said, "President Bush's secret program to spy
on the American people reminds Americans of the abuse of power during the dark days
of President Nixon... " It is only the most fevered liberal brows and the willfully ignorant
- in both of which categories Dr. Dean consistently fits -- who can make such an
irrational and irresponsible comparison. As Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat
Roberts (R-Kan) wrote to Dean on Friday, "Any suggestion that a program designed to
track the movement, locations, plans or intentions of our enemy -- particularly those that
have infiltrated our borders -- is equivalent to abusive domestic surveillance of the past is
ludicrous. When Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson approved the
electronic surveillance of Martin Luther King, those Presidents were targeting American
citizens based on activities protected by the First Amendment. When President Richard
Nixon used warrantless wiretaps, they were not directed at enemies that had attacked the
United States and killed thousands of Americans." Unlike the Deanocrats, Roberts
understands the differences between illegal searches that violate the Fourth Amendment
and wartime intelligence gathering.
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The NSA prog~am is not intended to detect and punish past crimes. It is an intelligence
program, designed -- like every such signals intelligence program has been since a
telegrapher rode with Confederate General lE.B. Stuart's cavalry to give Stuart the
benefit of intelligence gleaned by tapping into Union lines -- to discover the enemy's
plans. NSA isn't wiretapping massive numbers of Americans'private conversations. It is
listening in only to conversations in which at least one party -- and many times both -- are
outside the United States and have been identified as connected somehow to al-Qaeda.
Senior Justice Department officials told me on Friday that the program is carefully
limited to that, and excludes all else. What NSA is doing, under presidential order, is
gathering intelligence by listening to al-Qaeda communications between and among its
commanders and operators overseas as well as those people in the United States who talk
to them.
The program, according to these officials, works by detecting where the calls originate (at
least by country) even where, as in too many instances, a cell phone is used from abroad
that has a U.S. area code and number. Many of the intercepted conversations only pass
through American fiber-optic lines and switchboard exchanges and have no one in the
territorial U.S. participating at all.
The NSA operation is not a violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act
because the president, as the courts have held, has the power to order warrantless
surveillance.ofthis type -- outside ofFISA -- to gather intelligence. FISA is used,
according to the Justice Department officials, whenever both sides to a conversation are
in the United States.
FISA is an act of Congress. Because the president's authority to order this surveillance is
granted by the Constitution, an act of Congress cannot limit it. FISA, moreover, is
unsuitable to combat terrorists because its requirement to demonstrate probable cause
cannot often be met. The NSA program is not directed at gathering evidence admissible
in a court of law. It's directed at capturing, killing, or disrupting terrorists. As Attorney
General Gonzales will testify today, "Congress and the American people are interested in
two fundamental questions: is this program necessary and is it lawful? The answer to
both questions is yes." FISA is a peacetime tool. We are at war.
WHEN ANY HIGH-LEVEL TERRORIST is captured or killed, it is not unusual for his
cell phone (or phones) and computer to be seized. On them is usually found both
telephone numbers and e-mail addresses. To our armed forces, that is tactical
intelligence, in actionable form. If your cell phone was on Khalid Sheik Mohammed's
speed dial, and you are in a place such as Afghanistan or Iraq, the good news is that you
have by now been visited in the dark of night by some guys with painted faces who have
killed you if they had to or grabbed you ifthey could and whisked you off to someplace
such as Guantanamo Bay, Cuba for interrogation and confinement. The bad news, for you
and us, is that if they couldn't get to you, you have almost certainly reached the age of 16,
as in F-16. And your intelligence is 'lost with you.
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But the mere fact that your telephone number or e-mail address is found on a terrorist's
electronic accessories, by itself, would not constitute probable cause justifying a FISA
warrant to tap your phone or read your e-mail. It may suffice if other evidence is known
that connects you to terrorist operations. But the time it takes to assemble the evidence
and seek a FISA warrant can be days or weeks. By the time the FISA court acts, the
opportunity to gather the intelligence is probably gone. There had to be another option.
The NSA program is it. The NSA is, according to the Justice Department officials,
gathering a lot of useful, valuable intelligence. If the president hadn't ordered it to do so,
he wouldn't have been complying with his oath of office to protect and defend the
Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
Some critics, including some conservative pundits such as George Will, have condemned
the president for failing to seek congressional action to expand or change FISA to allow it
to be used more broadly. In 2004, the Bush administration considered asking for just such
action. The reason it did not is a fact congressional leaders of both parties ignore at their
peril, and ours.
As the Attorney General will testify today, and as he has already said in response to
questions by Judiciary Committee Chairman Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Penn.), consideration
of legislative action on FISA was put aside because "members of Congress advised the
Administration that more specific legislation could not be enacted without likely
compromising the terrorist surveillance program by disclosing program details and
operational limitations and capabilities to our enemies."
LOOSE CANONS HAS SAID, over and over again, that Congress is the source of leaks
of many ifnot most of the top-secret infonnation about the war on terror that has reached
the press. The leak of the CIA terrorist detention centers in Europe and Asia probably
came from the CIA. But the list of congressional leaks is long. Too long.
In December 2004, Loose Canons reported that Sens. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) -- vice
chairman of the Senate Intelligence committee-- along with Sens. Dick Durbin CD-Ill.)
and Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) were under criminal investigation for leaking a top-secret
satellite program. Every indication is that the NSA program leak -- which CIA Director
Goss said last week significantly damaged national security -- also came from the Hill.
Leak after leak, as Loose Canons predicted more than a year ago, has reached a level that
the executive branch cannot trust Congress to keep those secrets. And without that trust,
Congress cannot be permitted to get the information that allows it to perform its
constitutional oversight role. This is not, as Howard Dean insists, a rogue executive, out
of control and violating the law, This is, as I will say again and again, a danger to our
form of government that can only be met by the expulsion from Congress, and
subsequent prosecution, of those members and staff who are responsible.
Today's hearing will feature the high-strung posturing of Democrats who have yet to say
anything constructive about winning this war. The Dems will pound on Gonzales for
refusing to discuss more classified details of the NSA program. There will be
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misstatements, accusations, and hour after hour of dire predictions of the fall of the
Republic if George Bush's imperial presidency isn't reined in. Republicans will try to ask
supportive questions, and only confuse things further. The AG will do his lawyerly best,
but because he can't say much about the program, which remains highly classified, his
answers will seem flat and desultory.
The Oems will earn their places on CBS, CNN and the rest tonight and in the New York
Times tomorrow, which is their only goal. It would be far better for these senators and
their Republican counterparts to clean their own house, and get on with their jobs. It's
their war too, even if many don't seem to think so.
TAS contributing editor led Babbin is the author of Inside the Asylum: Why the UN and
Old Europe Are Worse Than You Think (Regnery, 2004).
Big mouths in Congress inhibit secret-sharing

(WorldNetDaily) ... Jon Dougherty - February 8
As the Senate Intelligence Committee continues its probe into a controversial National
Security Agency eavesdropping program, a former Pentagon official says the Bush
administration has found it increasingly difficult to share top-secret infonnation with
Congress out of fear it will be leaked to the press.
Jed Babbin, a one-time deputy undersecretary of defense in the administration of George

H. W. Bush, told WorldNetDaily fear of congressional leaks are what prevented the
current White House from pursuing legislation specifically authorizing an NSA
electronic-monitoring program ordered by President Bush in the wake of the 9-11 attacks.
Details of that highly classified program were leaked to The New York Times more than
a year before the paper eventually reported them in December. Since then, the
administration has weathered a firestorm of protest over what Democrats and some
Republicans say is a violation of U.S. law prohibiting such monitoring without a warrant
from a special, secret court.
The Bush administration has argued the president was given broad authority to fight the
war on terror when Congress authorized him to "use all necessary and appropriate force"
against "those nations, organizations, or persons he determines" responsible for the Sept.
11,2001, attacks. .
"The use of signals intelligence - intercepting enemy communications - is a fundamental

incident of waging war," Attorney General Alberto Gonzales wrote in the Wall Street
Journal on Monday, in defense of the program.
Some lawmakers and policy analysts have discounted that interpretation.
Still, in order to placate opposing members ofCongress, the White House had considered
amending the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 - the legislation opponents
say Bush violated - to cover the current NSA operation. But, says Babbin, that idea was
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abandoned because it would require the administration to divulge more details about the
program - details administration officials believed could again be leaked to the press.
Federal intelligence officials have publicly expressed similar concerns about leaks. Porter
Goss, director of the Central Intelligence Agency, told a Senate committee earlier this
month unauthorized leaks of CIA operations have caused "severe damage," adding that
journalists who report them should be subject to questioning by a grand jury.
Regarding recent and past disclosures, Goss - a fanner chairman of the House
Intelligence Committee - said "the damage has been very severe to our capabilities to
carry out our mission. "
"It is my aim and it is my hope that we will witness a grand jury investigation with
reporters present being asked to reveal who is leaking this infonnation," he told members
of the Senate intelligence panel. "I believe the safety of this nation and the people of this
country deserves nothing less."
Babbin suggested past and present unauthorized disclosures of classified information may
even be connected to the Senate intelligence panel's No.2 man: Sen. John Rockefeller,
D-W.Va.
Babbin told WoridNetDaily that Rockefeller - along with Sens. Dick Durbin, D-lll., and
Ron Wyden D-Ore. - "is the subject of a criminal referral as a result of a leak of a very
highly classified, top~secret satellite program" - a probe he believes is ongoing that was
launched by the Justice Department the first week of December 2004.
"The formal request for a leaks investigation would target people who described sensitive
details about a new generation of spy satellites to the Washington Post, which published a
Page 1 story about the espionage program Saturday [Dec. 11,2004]," the Associated
Press reported on the probe at the time. The Post reported the National Reconnaissance
Office, which operates U.S. spy satellites, made the request.
And, Babbin said, while there's no "hard evidence" to indicate Rockefeller was involved·
in leaking the NSA program details to the Times, he adds that sources within the
intelligence community have indicated their suspicions to him, though he declined to
identify them.
Rockefeller's office did not respond to repeated phone calls and e-mail requests for
comment. The Justice Department also did not respond to a request to confirm or deny
details regarding the criminal referral.
"I do ... think it is very revealing when you have the attorney general of the United States
answering written questions to [Pennsylvania Republican Sen.) Arlen Specter the week
before the hearings, and says one of the reasons (the administration] did not go to the Hill
and ask for legislation to modify the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is that they
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feared any further disclosure to Congress would be leaked," Babbin told WND. "I think
then Congress has a very big problem there because they are unable to do their
constitutional oversight function of the executive branch."
Added Babbin: "If you can't tell the Hill what you're doing, you've got a constitutional
problem."
For his part, Rockefeller - one of a very few members of Congress briefed on the NSA
spy program - said in a Dec. 19,2005, statement that, when he first learned of the
surveillance program on July 13,2003, he immediately expressed "serious concerns
about the nature of the program as well as Congress' inability to provide oversight" to the
White House. .
"The record needs to be set clear that the administration never afforded members briefed
on the program an opportunity to either approve or disapprove the N'SA program," he
said. "The limited members who were told of the program were prohibited by the
administration from sharing any infonnation about it with our colleagues, including other
members of the intelligence committees."
Rockefeller maintains he voiced concerns about the program to Vice President Dick
Cheney, specifically "that the limited infonnation provided to Congress was so overly
restricted that it prevented members of Congress from conducting meaningful oversight
of the legal and operational aspects of the program."
Said Rockefeller: "These concerns were never addressed, and I was prohibited from
sharing my views with my colleagues."
As to the overall legality of the NSA program, experts say Bush was operating within
constitutional and statutory parameters.
"Gathering signal intelligence has been an important constitutional power exercised by

the president since President Washington first intercepted signal intelligence from the
British," says fonner Bush White House special adviser Ron Christie, author of "Black in
the White House: Life Inside George W. Bush's West Wing."
"President Lincoln intercepted telegraph cables during the Civil War, and President
Wilson ordered all cable communication from America and Europe to be intercepted," he
said. "In the war against terrorism, President Bush is lawfully carrying out his duties as
commander in chief to institute a narrow intercept offoreign intelligence infonnation
against terrorists abroad or within the United States who seek to hann us."
Retired federal Judge Charles Pickering told WorldNetDaily focus on the NSA operation
is not only too political, it is keyed into the wrong issues.
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"I ha:en'.t heard anyone seriously question the fact that the president has the
constItutIOnal authority" to order the NSA surveillance program, said Pickering, author of
"Supreme Chaos: The Politics of Judicial Confirmation & the Culture War. II
"The only argument I'm hearing is whether or not the president complied with
congressional statutes. So it's really a tug-of-war between the executive and legislative
branch as to who gets to call the shots," he said.
"I don't want Big Brother snooping in on my telephone calls," said the former federal
judge, "but I sure do want Big Brother to protect me from terrorists."
"The irony here is that for four years Congress has known this is going on, and not one
peep until the New York Times ran an article," said Pickering. "Unfortunately, everything
- continuation ofjudges, the conduct of the war on terror - has become so politicized, it's
hard for the American people to get a straight answer."
As to leaks, Babbin - writing Monday in the American Spectator, said he has repeatedly
stated "that Congress is the source of leaks of many if not niost of the top-secret
information about the war on terror that has reached the press. The leak of the CIA
terrorist detention centers in Europe and Asia probably came from the CIA. But the list of
congressional leaks is long. Too long.
"Every indication is that the NSA program leak ... also came from the Hill," he
continued. "Leak after leak ... has reached a level that the executive branch cannot trust
Congress to keep those secrets."
Secondary topic in Jed Babbin coverage - for situational awareness purposes
Jon Batchelor Show - Friday, February 3

(Lists that Babbin was a guest on the John Batchelor radio show - transcript not
available)
10:50: Jed Babbin, Author & Nationally Syndicated Columnist, The National Security
Agency wiretap scandal is less of a scandal then the media makes it to be.
Eavesdropping II: Smoking Out Jay?
(National Journal Group - The Hotline) - February 6
* Also covered on Hugh Hewitt's radio program on February 3

Hugh Hewitt, on 2/4: "The American Spectator's Jed Babbin was on John Batchelor's
radio show yesterday, and stated that the intel community believes West Virginia Senator
Jay Rockefeller is the leaker who illegally supplied the New York Times with the details
of the NSA program.... When the crime was bribery (Abscam) no one protested that a
sitting U.S. Senator ought not to be a target. If the crime is much more serious -- and this
is -- purported good intentions should not shield the suspect. Has any member of the
press asked Rockefeller point blank if he's the law breaker yet?"
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TELEVISION
Fox News -- Your World With Neil Cavuto

02/07/0605:00:49
NEIL CAVUTO: From Washington former CIA operative Wayne Simmons and PJ.
Crowley the National Director of Homeland Defense at the Center for American
Progress. Wayne, you first, what do you think of the hearings?
WA YNE SIMMONS: I think they are a waste of times. Taxpayers have better things to
spend their time on such as those of Mr. Crowley's position (those on the left). The
democrats know that everything that the president is doing is legal. He knows that the
members of congress who need to be informed:are being informed and that the president
has absolute authority to conduct such foreign intelligence surveillance. So, it's a waste of
time.
NEIL: P.3., do you think that just the idea of everything being second-guessed on the
security front is damaging or no?
P.J. Crowley: I think that the exercise democracy how can we call that damaging to
national security? What we saw today is precisely why the United States is going to win
the war on terror because we are showing the terrorists this is how you function in a rule
of law. We have co-equal branches of government unless Wayne wants to change the
constitution and today congress was doing its job. I would point out this is not a partisan
hearing at all. I think it was a sobering analysis by some very concerned senators on the
right, left, democrats, and republicans. You know, for example Lindsey Graham
republican of South Carolina said it best I thought he said in a time of war you need
checks and balances more than ever. This is what we saw today.
NEIL: Wayne?
WA YNE: Neil, we already have the president has been given authorization for the use of
military force granted by congress after 9/11. He already has that power to protect the
nation. What concerns me is that this is nothing more than a fishing expedition on the
part of the left to force the right into these hearings when they don't need these hearings.
Because trust me when I tell you as we all know there are those on the left who are
involved in these hearings and then miraculously they are letting out bits and pieces of
Intel. That is what concerns me. We don't need these hearings. Let the president do his
job and continue to make us safer.
NEIL: PJ.?
P.J.: Again, I don't know maybe Wayne and I just saw different hearings. Orin Hatch
said there are different constitutional issues at stake here and even Alberto Gonzalez
himself said this is very complex. It's important for to us understand I agree fully that the
N.S.A. should be doing what they are doing. We should be listening to al Qaeda but
where we are clearly adapting the way that we operate as an intelligence community we
have to make sure that we have a legal foundation for it. If we want to change the laws
that allow the N.S.A. to do more, even today in this hearing, you know, some senators
said, hey, if you are listening to al Qaeda calls where one end is in the United States and
the otht':r end is not, what about listening to calls where al Qaeda (both ends) are in the
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. United States? Shouldn't you have that authority, too? I just think this is not about
politics.
NEIL: PJ., can I ask you this?
P.J.: This is about making sure what we are doing as a nation of laws is right for the
country.
NEIL: I do want to get this out because I'm curious. PJ., where was this condemnation
when Franklin Roosevelt was doing it; when John Kennedy was doing it and Lyndon
Johnson. In other words, it's bad when republicans are doing this but it's not bad when
democrats are?
P.J.: These are not the same things. You know n 1978 congress passed a law, the FISA
Act. Now, the administration is coming back and saying, hey, here 25 years later, you
know, FISA is still important said Gonzalez but it's in the way which, is fine. So if we
think that we need to do things slightly differently because FISA says you can listen to a
call that originates outside the United States but you can't listen to a call that originates
inside the United States.
WAYNE: PJ., you are clearly confused. You are clearly confused. That's what's going
on here, Neil. The left and those coming against the administration and trust me this is a
partisan issue.
P.J.: Karl Rove is the only one that's made it a partisan issue.
WAYNE: Let me finish. The FISA Act is a very good tool for the president to use. That
is just a tool but in order to use that tool, the attorney general has to know that the
moment he presents that to the FISA court that he is going to get approval within 72
hours, that means that he has to have that entire case ready to present. So now what the
president has done is said, look, that tool is too slow. I cannot protect America using the
FISA courts in some instances. Therefore, under the authorization that he now has
according to the constitution, he can immediately attack our enemy. No American is
going to want the president to not attack our enemy.
P.J.: I agree with that.
NEIL: Guys, I wish we had more time. I want to thank you.
P.J.: There are other views.
NEIL: All right. Ok. Guys, thank you both very much you argued your positions well.
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From:' eIV,OSD
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:0'1 PM
Subject: RE: 22 Feb Outreach - time,
Sorry - CJCS
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From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD·PA
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:00 PM
To: faWN ; :I CIV, OSD
Who is her boss?
Hallas B. Lawrmwc
Dire('tor. Office of C()[.lllllUllil~ !lela I i(ln~ & Public Liai"oll
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Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 200612:52 PM
Subject: FW: 22 Feb Outreach - time.
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For the outreach on 22 Feb, is it possible to adjust the time to start 15 minutes later· new time would be:
1:30pm·1:45 - PA Prep
1:45pm-2:30 - Outreach
Let me know· thanks,

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From:
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To:
PJ1fH!!I'1:l'lir.:l4~-.F CIV,OSD
Friday, January 13, 2006 9:19 AM
~5thi YN1, OSO;~"'jn"liirJt!i'lii-- elV,
oso;tOOlri CIV,OS~ elV,
OASD-PA;.. . elv -PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA;~, elV, OASD·PA; rIMI
rII\TRl1 CIV, OSD. • . -PaR; Barber, Allison, av, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES OASD-PA;
, . Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PA; • • Caot. USMC, OASD-PA; Lawrence~ Dallas, OASD-PA;~MHI,_
rnmft,ciY: WSD-~~I~,u~~D~r:;;:" OSD \tC~l, OSD • ';IV OA ~~~;g:r1wm Col OASD'g~,
OSD
Cc: Cido, Kriste1 K, CIV, JCS, OOCS; Turner, Mary E, av, JCS, OVOCS
Subject: RE: PA • Schedule Items from 12 Jan Meeting
Friday 3 February:
10:45am-10:55 - PA Prep
1100·1120 - Tri-West Healthcare Alliance - SD participate in cermeony presenting portraits of MoH recipients
location TBD.
1:15am-UO - PA Prep
1:30pm-2:15 - Outreach w/Retired Military Analysts & Civilian Defense Experts - location TBD
9:00am-9:20 - Meet w/National Guard Youth Challenge Group -location T8D
Friday 10 March:
11:1Oam-11 :20 - PA Prep
11 :30am-11 :50 - Meet w/USA Basketball Leadership (ASY event) @ POAC
Thursday 16 March:
1:15pm-1:30 - PA Prep
1: 30pm-2: 15 - Outreach w/Strategaic Communicators
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From: Barber, Allison, CIV OASD-PA
Sent: Wednesday, Febru~ry 08, 2006 11:10 AM
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD·PA; Lawrence Dallas OASD-PA
SUbject: Re: iraq trip I I
Let's just go with the smaller group. Let's not add analysts.
Thx
Ab
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To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD~PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
Sent: Wed Feb 08 11:01:10 2006
Subject: Re: iraq trip
That's my thinking. Two among 10 really doesn't feel right to me.
I don't recall whether o'hanlan was on the invite list. The three you have are very good.
Thanks.
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
Sent: Wed Feb 08 10:55:17 2006
I thought we didn't want to change the make up of the trip by adding analysts.
Ab
To: Barber, All i s.on, CIV. OASD-PA; Ruff. Eric, SES. OASD-PA
Sent: Wed Feb OB 10:22:48 2006
Subject: iraq trip
Folks,
Of the B think tank types we extended an invite to. only 3 are able to go. They are:
Eliot Cohen
David Frum
Victor Davis Hanson
Of the 5 VSO's we have invired, it looks like at least 4. possibly all 5 will go. I would
like to open the invite up to the following people today with your approval to round out
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the trip:
Colonel Jack Jacobs (USA, Retired) who has not been in 0:rer a year and is MSNBC', s guy
Major. General Don Shepperd (USAF, Retired) who attended in October, may not wish to go
again,' but was a huge asset for us at CNN
Anyone else you'd like us to invite? Id like to have 10 confirmations, as we usually have
2 that drop. We owe General casey a list by cob tomorrow.
Dallas B. Lawrence
Director, Office of Community Relations & public Liaison
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Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
Wednesday, February 08, 200610:56 AM
To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: iraq trip
I thought one or two of the good guys who travel easy wouldn't be bad. They don't really
change the make up to terribly much. But your call.
Dallas B. Lawrence
Director, Office of Community Relations & Public Liaison United States Department of
Defense
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Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:55 AM
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASO-PA
I thought we didn't want to change the make up of the trip by adding analysts.
Ab
From: Lawrence, Dallas, .OASO-PA
To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASO-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
Sent: Wed Feb 08 10:22:48 2006
Subject: iraq trip
Folks,
Of the 8 think tank types we extended an invite to, only 3 are able to go. They are:
Eliot Cohen
David Frum
Victor Davis Hanson
Of the 5 VSO's we have invired, it looks like at least 4, possibly all 5 will go. I would
like to open the invite up to the following people today with your approval to round out
the trip:
Colonel Jack Jacobs (USA, Retired) who has, not been in over a year and is MSNBC's guy
Major General Don Shepperd (USAF, Retired) who attended in October, may not wish to go
again, but was a huge asset for us at CNN
Anyone else YOU'd like us to invite? Id like to have 10 confirmations, as we usually have
2 that drop. We .owe General casey a list by cob tomorrow.
Dallas B. Lawrence
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From: mmDIIIC1V,OASD-PA
Sent: Wednesday, February 08,200610:18 AM
SUbject: RE: iraq
ralston is with the cohen group.
here are the invitees. the ones going are in bold:

Eliot Cohen - ready to go.
Commander Peter Brookes - no money to fund trip.
Senior Fellow for National Security, The Heritage Foundation
James Dobbins, Director

International Security and Defense Policy Center, RAND Corporation
Dr. Michael O'Hanlon - unable to rework commitments.
Senior Fellow, The Brookings Institute
Victor Davis Hanson - ready to go.
Dept. of Foreign Languages and Literatures, California State University
Dr. Chris Preble - unable. Family commitments.
Director of Foreign Policy Studies, Cato Institute
David Frum - ready to go
American Enterprise Institute
James Taranto - unable. Father's 75 th birthday conflicts.
Opinion Journal.com

sent: Wednesday, February 08, 20069:38 AM
To:Nmm CIV,OASD-PA
SUbject: RE: iraq
can you please send me who we invited, and who has said yes asap. im going to get approval for opening up the
invite to jack, jack is with msnbc, who is ralston with?
Dallas B. l..awreJU;r
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SUbject: iraq
here are some suggested alternates (lists of who went are below):
General Joseph Ralston (USAF, Retired)
Major General Paul E. Vallely (USA, Retired)
Lieutenant Colonel Gordon Cucullu (USA, Retired)
Frank Gaffney
President
The Center for Security Policy
Dr. Daniel Goure
Senior Fellow
Lexington Institute
October trip:
General Montgomery Meigs (USA, Retired)
Major General Robert H. Scales, Jr. (USA, Retired)
Major General Don Shepperd (USAF, Retired)
December trip: .
Lieutenant General Thomas McInerney (USAF, Retired)
Major Frederick (Andy) Messing Jr. (USAR, Retired)
Mr. Wayne Simmons (USN, CIA, Retired)
Command Sergeant Major Steve Greer (USA, Retired)
tl3fl.i
OSD Public Affairs
Community Relations and Public Liaison
mTfJI The Pentagon
Washington, D.C. 20301
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Sent: Tuesday, February 07,20064:22 PM
Cc: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
Subject: Jed babbin
hi. jed is sUbbing for laura ingraham's radio show this week. he would like to interview someone on military family support
for families of deployed troops. i'm sure we could offer him some of our asy members, but i think he's looking for a military
program. j'm not sure who would have that?? chaplains? any ideas?
thanks
m.
tlMlij
OSD Public Affairs
~bWJI The Pentagon
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From:' tiMid j, CIV, OSD
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 200610:17 AM
Subject: RE: hi there
No problem.
From: Lawrence, Pallas, OASP-PA
Sent: Tuesdav February 07, 2006 10:17 AM
To: _ • Cry, OSP
Subject: RE: hi there
Thanks r~TiRnI sorry to be a bother with this!
Dallas B. Lawrence
United States De artment of Defense
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From: ~5J • Cry, osp
To: Lawrence, Pallas, OASP-PA
subject: RE: hi there
10 March event now 6 April due to team availability
1:10pm prep
130-150 - Photo w/Basketball Group ASY Event
To:nnf~ Cry, oSP
Subject: hi there
im a little out of the loop on a few of these and wanted to see if our dates were still
holding:
wednesday 22 February:
1:15am-l:30 - PA Prep
1:30pm-2:15 - Outreach w/Retired Military Analysts & Civilian Defense Experts - location
TBD
9:00am-9:20 - Meet w/National Guard Yough Challenge Group - location TBD
Friday 10 March:
11:10am-ll:20 - PA Prep
ll:30am-ll:50 - Meet w/USA Basketball Leadership (ASY event) @POAC
Thursday 16 March:
1:15pm-l:30 - PA Prep
1:30pm-2:15 - Outreach w/Strategaic communicators
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Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 5:29 PM
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OSD;rmtm CDR, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
Subject: Good Interview - RE: Sec England - Jed Babbin --: QDR/Budget and Defense Posture PA
Plan - 163003 Feb
- Good interview.
-I gave Jed some advice and info before hand.
• He asked some good questions and let Secretary ~ngland respond.
- It went smoothly.
- They could have gone on much longer and were getting along well.
Vir
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Sent: Monday, Februa!J::..96, 20065:24 PM
To: ~Mlif~PT, OSD;rU,Tla , CDR, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: Sec England - Jed Babbin --: QDR/Budget and Defense Posture PA Plan - 1630 03 Feb
what was the general tone -- did he give the dsd plenty of room to talk freely... relaxed questioning and time to
answer... thatks.
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ti5thi
From:
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To:
rM1t;j CAPT, OSD
February 06,20065:21 PM
, . , CDR, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD·PA
Subject: Sec England - Jed Babbin --: QDR/Budget and Defense Posture PA Plan - 1630 03 Feb
* Secretary England did a short 10 minute interview today by Jed Babbin, WMET.
* Discussed lED's, QDR and Intel.
R,
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Subject:
Update as of 1630, 6 Feb.
Thanks to all for all off your great work. Please send any updates as you arrange them.
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Monday, February 06,20061:35 PM
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
Subject: MMM 2called at 1330.703-693-7274. Ref: Sec England doing Jed Babbin show
today at 1700.
(b)(6) TSgt, USAF
Enlisted Military Assistant to the
Assistant Secretary of Defense
for Public Affairs
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Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 7:00 AM
To:
Subject:
room. CIY, OASD-PA
(Babbin) "Getting With the NSf' Program"
Attachments: ir?t=theamericansp-20&I=ur2&o=1
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http://www.spectator.org/dsp article.asp?art id=9375
Getting With the NSA Program

By Jed Babbin
Published 2/6/2006 12:08:46 PM
Today's Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on the NSA terrorist surveillance operation will
utterly fail to address the two most important facts about it. Neither Attorney General Gonzales nor
the senators questioning him will distinguish between a wartime intelligence gathering operation,
which this is, and a broadly scoped peacetime law enforcement investigation, which this is not. And
though it will shape the soundbites on which tonight's newscasts will ride, the tension -- no, the
enmity -- that governs the administration's dealings with Congressional Dems will be displayed but
not explained.
Last week, DNC Chairman Howard Dean said, "President Bush's secret program to spy on the
American people reminds Americans of the abuse of power during the dark days of President
Nixon ..." It is only the most fevered liberal brows and the willfully ignorant -- in both of which
categories Dr. Dean consistently fits -- who can make such an irrational and irresponsible
comparison. As Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts (R-Kan) wrote to Dean on
Friday, "Any suggestion that a program designed to track the movement, locations, plans or
intentions of our enemy -- particularly those that have infiltrated our borders -- is equivalent to
abusive domestic surveillance of the past is ludicrous. When Presidents John F. Kennedy and
Lyndon B. Johnson approved the electronic surveillance of Martin Luther King, those Presidents were
targeting American citizens based on activities protected by the First Amendment. When President
_Richard Nixon used warrantless wiretaps, they were not directed at enemies that had attacked the
United States and killed thousands of Americans." Unlike the Deanocrats, Roberts understands the
differences between illegal searches that violate the Fourth Amendment and wartime intelligence
gathering.
The NSA program is not intended to detect and punish past crimes. It is an intelligence program,
designed -- like every such signals intelligence program has been since a telegrapher rode with
Confederate General J.E.B. Stuart's cavalry to give Stuart the benefit of intelligence gleaned by
tapping into Union lines -- to discover the enemy's plans. NSA isn't Wiretapping massive numbers of
Americans' private conversations. It is listening in only to conversations in which at least one party -
and many times both -- are outside the United States and have been identified as connected
somehow to al-Qaeda. Senior Justice Department officials told me on Friday that the program is
carefully limited to that, and excludes all else. What NSA is doing, under presidential order, is
gathering intelligence by listening to al-Qaeda communications between and among its commanders
and operators overseas as well as those people in the United States who talk to them.
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The program, according to these officials, works by detecting where the calls originate (at least by
country) even where, as in too many instances, a cell phone is used from abroad that has a U.S.
area code and number. Many oUhe intercepted conversations only pass through American fiber
optic lines and switchboard exchanges and have no one in the territorial U.S. participating at all.
The NSA operation is not a violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act be.cause the
president, as the courts have held, has the power to order warrantless surveillance of this type -
outside of FISA -- to gather intelligence. FISA is used, according to the Justice Department officials,
whenever both sides to a conversation are in the United States.
FISA is an act of Congress. Because the president's authority to order this surveillance is granted by
the Constitution, an act of Congress cannot limit it. FISA, moreover, is unsuitable to combat terrorists
because its requirement to demonstrate probable cause cannot often be met. The NSA program is
not directed at gathering evidence admissible in a, court of law. It's directed at capturing, killing, or .
disrupting terrorists. As Attorney General Gonzales will testify today, "Congress and the American.
people are interested in two fundamental questions: is this program necessary and is it lawful? The
answer to both questions is yes." FISA is a peacetime tool. We are at war.
WHEN ANY HIGH-LEVEL TERRORIST is captured or killed, it is not unusual for his cell phone (or
phones) and computer to be seized. On them is usually found both telephone numbers and e-mail
addresses. To our armed forces, that is tactical intelligence, in actionable form. If your cell phone was
on Khalid Sheik Mohammed's speed dial, and you are in a place such as Afghanistan or Iraq, the
good news is that you have by now been visited in the dark of night by some guys with painted faces
who have killed you if they had to or grabbed you if they could and whisked you off to someplace
such as Guantanamo Bay, Cuba for interrogation and confinement. The bad news, for you and us, is
that if they couldn't get to you, you have almost certainly reached the age of 16, as in F-16. And your
intelligence is lost with you.
But the mere fact that your telephone number or e-mail address is found on a terrorist's electronic
acce.ssories, by itself, would not constitute probable cause justifying a FISA warrant to tap your
phone or read your e-mail. It may suffice if other evidence is known that connects you to terrorist·
operations. But the time it takes to assemble the evidence and seek a FISA warrant can be days or
weeks. By the time the FISA court acts, the opportunity to gather the intelligence is probably gone.
There had to be another option. The NSA program is it. The NSA is, according to the Justice
Department officials, gathering a lot of useful, valuable intelligence. If the president hadn't ordered it
to do so, he wouldn't have been complying with his oath of office to protect and defend the
Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
Some critics, including some conservative pundits such as George Will, have condemned the
president for failing to seek congressional action to expand or change FISA to allow it to be used
more broadly. In 2004, the Bush administration considered asking for just such action. The reason it
did not is a fact congressional leaders of both parties ignore at their peril, and ours.
As the Attorney General will testify today, and as he has already said in response to questions by
Judiciary Committee Chairman Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Penn.), consideration of legislative action on
FISA was put aside because "members of Congress advised the Administration that more specific
legislation could not be enacted without likely compromising the terrorist surveillance program by
disclosing program details and operational limitations and capabilities to our enemies."
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LOOSE CANONS HAS SAID, over and over again, that Congress is the source of leaks of many if
not most of the top-secret information about the war on terror that has reached the press. The leak of
the CI.A terrorist detention centers in Europe and Asia probably came from the CIA. But the list of
congressional leaks is long. Too long.
In December 2004, Loose Canons reported that Sens. Jay Rockefeller (D-WVa.) -- vice-chairman of
the Senate Intelligence Committee - along with Sens. Dick Durbin (D-III.) and Ron Wyden (D-Or.)
were under criminal investigation for leaking a top-secret satellite program. Every indication is that
the NSA program leak -- which CIA Director Goss said last week significantly damaged national
security -- also came from the Hill. Leak after leak, as Loose Canons predicted more than a year ago,
has reached a level that the executive branch cannot trust Congress to keep those secrets. And
without that trust, Congress cannot be permitted to get the information that allows it to perform its
constitutional oversight role. This is not, as Howard De~n insists, a rogue executive, out of control
and violating the law. This is, as I will say again and again, a danger to our form of government that
can only be met by the expulsion from Congress, and subsequent prosecution, of those members
and staff who are responsible. .
Today's hearing will feature the high-strung posturing of Democrats who have yet to say anything
constructive about winning this war. The Dems will pound on Gonzales for refusing to discuss more
classified details of the NSA program. There will be misstatements, accusations, and hour after hour
of dire predictions of the fall of the Republic if George Bush's imperial presidency isn't reined in.
Republicans will try to ask supportive questions, and only confuse things further. The AG will do his
lawyerly best, but because he can't say much about the program, which remains highly classified, his
answers will seem flat and desultory.
The Dems will earn their places on CBS, CNN and the rest tonight and in the New York Times
tomorrow, which is their only goal. It would be far better for these senators and their Republican
counterparts to clean their own house, and get on with their jobs. It's their war too, even if many don't
seem to think so.
TAS contributing editor Jed Babbin is the author of Inside the Asylum http://www.assoc
amazon.com/e/ir?t=theamericansp-20&I=ur2&0=1: Why the UN and Old Europe Are Worse
Than You Think (Regnery, 2004).
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SUbJect:
Monday, February 06, 2006 5:53 AM
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roberthscales@Miltlii ••
The NSA program: Today's Spectator
... nashct@fi5fla= Glenstrae77
CIV, OASD-PA; WSSlnter@aol.com;
Today's hearing will feature riveting testimony, deep-thinkers' questions and fair media coverage. Yeah, well, I
don't believe that either.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From: Paul Vallely [paulvallely@~rl1a:lm~m~ . • • •
Sent: Sunday. February 05,20066:10 PM
To: 'jerseymike'; carmd@iMl5l1
Subject: FW: World "rhreats: AI Saphir 4th location of Iraqi WMDs
See this important article below. I first reported this on the O'Reilly factor in the
spring of 2003 111111
Subject: FW: World Threats: Al saphir 4th location of Iraqi WMDs
WORLD THREATS.COM
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by RYAN MAURO
TDCAnalyst@aol.com In recent days, General Georges Sada, the #2 man in Saddam Hussein's
Air Force, came forward describing the movement of WMDs to Syria using two converted
civilian aircraft in 56 flights. The transportation, which also included a ground
shipment, was done under the guise of humanitarian aid after a dam collapsed in Syria in
June of 2002.
This supports a main thesis of my book, Death to America: The Unreported Battle of Iraq.
<http://www.publishamerica.com/shopping/shopdisplayproducts.asp?catalogid=ll
003> In my book, I discuss descriptions given of general and specific
locations for the WMDin Syria. If anyone is skilled in satellite photography and think
they may be able to obtain such photos of these sites, they are encouraged to contact us
<mailto:TDCAnalyst@aol.com> . This time frame of the summer of 2002 caused me to go back
in my notes to find anything that could be related to the secret operation. Satellite
photos taken by GlobalSecurity.org during that time indicated that the al-Safir site in
northern syria had been expanded to include underground tunnels. The site is protected by
SA-2 missile batteries and has the key features of a major WMD site. One can view these
pictures with commentary on the different sites in the complex here:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/syria/al-safir.htm.
Geostrategy-Direct.com, an intelligence newsletter, noted the expansion saying that al
Safir is believed to be producing chemical weapons like VX and sarin and producing
missiles like scud-Cs and Scud-Ds. The North Koreans are said to be involved in the
construction of the new underground site.
Given the WMD nature of al-Safir, is it a mere coincidence that this site expanded right
before and during the arrival of the Iraqi WMDs? This site needs to be looked at closely
as one of the houses for these weapons. Where are the other sites? Lebanon'S Bekaa Valley,
under the control of the syrians, Iranians and Hezbollah, has been widely suspected of
being one of the houses. There are three other sites in Syria that have been identified by
a former high-ranking official in Saddam's government we are in contact with; the widely
respected Generals Paul Vallely and Tom McInereney; and the award-winning Syrian
journalist who defected to Europe after being diagnosed with terminal cancer have all
identified:
* A tunnel complex under the town of al-Baida, 2 kilometers from

Misyaf village near Hama in northern syria. The site has an underground facility newly
built by the North Koreans for missile production. Iraqi missiles and chemical weapons are
at this location. The physical description of this site exactly fits al-Safir, which has
led some, including, myself, to confuse it with al-Safir. This raises.a question, which
we'll pose below.
* Tai Snan, north of Salamija, which is an Air Force base.
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* Sjinsjam, near the city of Homs on the Lebanese border in southern
Syria. It is controlled by the 661st Brigade of the Syrian Air Force.
So this leads us to a few questions, and your comments and suggestions are
welcome <mailto:TDCAnalyst@aol.com> :
* Although we believe the WMD are in Syria, we must be fair and ask
ourselves, is this a case of circular reporting?
* Why was there construction in the summer of 2002 at al-Safir when at
least some of the WMD were moved, and not at the other sites?
* Is there any intelligence indicating the al-Baida site, as well as
the al-Safir site, was worked on by the North Koreans? This is important because if there
is only one site that they worked on, then that is the most likely hiding spot for the
weapons.
* Is there any reason to suspect, or not to suspect, al~Safir as an

additional hiding spot for Iraq's weapons?
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Sent: Sunday, February 05,200610:20 AM
Subject: Fw: John McLaughlin
Sorry for the delay, they wiLl be arriving today around 230 or so.
Dallas Lawrence
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From: riMS CIV, OASD- PA
Sent: Sun Feb 05 06:37:14 2006
Subject: Re: John McLaughlin
They plan to arrive between 2:30 and 3:00. I expect to see them actually arrive closer to
4:00
OASD(P~R&PL.
Office' • A
Cell: , •
To: riilTlS CIV, OASD- PA
Sent: Sat Feb 04 17:53:41 2006
SUbject: Re: John McLaughlin
Thanks for taking care of this. When do they arrive tomorrow? Allison will likely be in
the pentagon and wanted to stop in.
Dallas Lawrence
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From: riMl;t CIV, OASD-PA
To: Lawrence I
Dallas OASD-PA: ~_
Mr., OSD-RA;
tmlld II IMS AMVID, rmmJJ •
Sent: Sat Feb 04 17:51:37 2006
Done. I'll meet the buses at corridor 3 tomorrow

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Folks, ~just called me. She is looking for info on where the busses should drop
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off tomorrow and monday. Can someomne please get her that info asap? Thank you.
Dallas Lawrence
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From;
To; ' .
• • Ms AMVID;
Sent: Sat Feb 04 14:38:41 2006
This should be fine. I'll need his personal info.by Monday morning. Also, what time will
he arrive and what entrance will he come in? We should plan to discuss all of the Monday
arrivals during the rehersal so I can ensure our tour guides are in the right place at the
right time.
From: VA National Medical
To :~'!\tmi • •
~m"
Sent: Sat Feb 04
b)(6)
Subject: RE:John
John Mclaughlin of the McLaughlin Group called. He wants to narrate at the concert. he
said he will bring picturer ID, etc. on Monday, OK to let hom in? I told him it would be
OK to participate. Will modify narrators accordingly.
Elizabeth Nunan
Program Coordinator
VA-National Medical
Tel: ,
www.medicalmusi~al.org
Watch our upcoming Broadcast on the Discovery Channel Sunday November 6, 2005!
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Gainor. Sharon, CPO, 000 OGC
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 20062: 15 PM
To: Duehring, Craig, Mr., OSD-RA; 'vanmmg@hotmail.com'; Evans, Dave, CIV, OASD-PA;
Eitniear, Machelle S Ms AMVID; 'pyttipanna@comcast.net'; 'vswahby@aol.com'
Subject: Re: John McLaughlin .
We have ordered several hundred hand billets that say "concert today" that our tour guides
will be passing out at around 730 am at the metro enterance.
To be honest, johns presence is not going to be a big enough draw to re order posters
(plus they wouldn't be done in time).
Dallas Lawrence
Sent from my SlackBerry Wireless Handheld
From: Duehring, Craig, Mr., OSD-RA
To: vanmmg@hotmail.comi Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PAi Evans, Dave, CIV, OASD-PAi Eitniear,
Machelle S Ms AMVIDi pyttipanna@comcast.neti vswahby@aol.com
Sent: Sat Feb 04 13:47:38 2006
Elizabeth
That is wonderful news. I wish we had knoWn earlier so we could have advertized his
participation. Maybe we could create a banner to stick on the posters. We can discuss on
Sunday. I believe Dave Evans has tour guides available for escort duty. If that does not
work ask him to call Linda Davis at 703-697-6631 and I will have extra escorts standing
by. Again, we need to hear from Dave first. How and when will he arrive?
Craig
From: VA National Medical Musical Group
To: Duehring, Craig, Mr., OSD-RAi Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PAi Evans, Dave, CIV, OASD-PAi
Eitniear, Machelle S Ms AMVID; pyttipanna@comcast.net; vswahby@aol.com
Sent: Sat Feb 04 13:17:33 2006
Subject: RE:John McLaughlin
John Mclaughlin of the McLaughlin Group called. He wants to narrate at the concert. he
said he will bring picturer ID, etc. on Monday. OK to let hom in? I told him it would be
OK to participate. Will modify narrators accordingly.
Elizabeth Nunan
Program Coordinator
VA-National Medical Musical Group
Tel: 202-797-0700, Fax: 202-797-0771
www.medicalmusical.org < http://www.medicalmusical.org/>
Watch our Upcoming Broadcast on the Discovery Channel Sunday November 6, 2005!
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From:'
Sent:
To:
Cc:
Subject:
We've got Henry scheduled next Friday, 10 Feb, 1300 hrs. If I can replace this slot with another reporter/interview, please
let me know today--I've got a lot waiting. Thanks! Tracy
From: rmmJIII CIV, OASD-PA.
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:19 PM
To:tmll3 CDR, OASD-PA; O'Grady, Tracy, LTC, OASD-PA
SUbject: FW: QDR interview
hi there.
not sure he's going to be willing to just talk to mr. henry. really wants depsec, i think..... wants to see
about radio i/v.
thanks!
·m
From: JedBabbin@[L1fld [mailto:JedBabbin@fL1T(.'"
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:05 AM
To: eric.ruff@rU\Tf:tI
Cc: riMid
SUbject: QDR interview
Eric: I just mentioned to _that I'd like to do an interview with one of the big dogs on the QDR release.
Instead ofa print interview, how about a radio session? I'm subbing for Hugh Hewitt on Monday, 6 Feb (6-9
EST, nationwide on Salem Radio Network). Any chance of getting SecDef or DepSecDef to talk about it?
J want to pitch QDR as something other than a budget exercise. The issues of more 000 investment in intel, and
not just buying fancy tech stuff (instead, investing in things such as more spec ops troops) would be the focus of
the interview. Please consider and let me know as soon as you can. Best, Jed. '
Jed Babbin
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(mobile)
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From:· JedBabbin@1mmW
Sent: Friday, February 03,200612:06 PM
To: Ruff Eric SES OSD
Cc: ~ CAPT SECNAV PA
Subject: Re: QDR interview
Eric: Thanks.
~ You may remember me from my last request to interview Mr. England which didn't work for scheduling
reasons. I'm subbing for Hugh Hewiit again on Monday, 6 Feb (6-9 EST, Salem Radio Network, nationwide)
and would love to get him on for 10-15 mins to talk about the QDR.
As 1 said in my original to Eric, 1 want to pitch QDR as something other than a budget exercise. The issues of
more DoD investment in intel, and not just buying fancy tech stuff (instead, investing in things such as more
spec ops troops) would be the focus of the interview. (1 read Ralph Peters's "Counterrevolution" piece in Weekly
Standard, and 1think we can, without referring to him, 'splain why he's dead bang wrong.) Please consider and
let me know as soon as you can. Best, Jed..
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
lS
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From: _ CIV, OASD-PA

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 20065:40 PM
To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
all, this is a retired CSM from gitmo, who jed babbin recommended i talk to, as he heard him give an excellent
interview shortly after returning to the states. i made initial contact with him. he doesn't do regular media, but is
happy to respond to us if we have specific gitmo related interview opportunities. thought you'd be interested in
>... reading his email and letter to the editor. he's a good one for us to keep on file and i have his contact info.
thanks
rm
From: Steve Short [mailto:sshort@tjMlij 3.
To: rL1tl.') CIV, OASD-PA'
-
Just a heads. up. Recently, ARM Y 7TMES ran an editorial critical of MG Geoffrey Miller
regarding his silence with regard to alleged detainee abuse in Iraq and to a lesser extent'
in Guantanamo. I responded to ARM Y 7TMES with a letter to the editor (attached). I
received an email fromARMYTTMESindicatingtheymayrunmyletter.Ididn 't want
your office to be surprised with my response. Just keeping your folks informed.
Stephen W Short
CSM, USA (Retired)
" Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the
fatigue of supporting it." Thomas Paine
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From: . Oi Rita, Larry, CIV, OSO
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 20064:55 PM
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OSO
Subject: RE: Maginnis to debate cartoonist on Fox's H&C
You should talk with him about that other aspect of the piece we discussed.
To: Smith, Dbrrance, HON, OASD-PA
Cc: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD
SubJect: Fw: Maginnis to debate cartoonist on Fox's H&C
Fyi
From: ra:\fr:\ CIV, OASD-PA
cc:Mmlri CIV, OASD-PA
Sent: Thu Feb 02 16:23:22 2006
Subject: FW: Maginnis to debate cartoonist on Fox's H&C
all, fyi. bob is going to take on the cartoonist tonight on hannity and colmes.
thanks
rim
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From: robertmag73@a~lri
To: robertmag73. • (Robert Maginnis)
Subject: Maginnis to debate cartoonist on Fox's H&C
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:00:24 +0000
Tonight, I'm scheduled to appear opposite a political cartoonist on Fox's H&C - 9PM
eastern. The topic is the political cartoon that appeared in the Washington Post showing
a soldier with all limbs amputated with Secretary Rumsfeld next to the bed. The cartoon
is attached as is an objecting letter from the Joint Chiefs. Obviously, I will condemn
such political statements. I would welcome your observations and comments. What needs to
be said? Thanks.
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From: mmDIIIII CIV, OASD-PA

Cc: CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: FW: Maginnis to debate cartoonist on Fox's H&C
Attachments: Maginnis to debate cartoonist on Fox's H&C
all, fyi. bob is going to take on the cartoonist tonight on hannity and colmes.
thanks
II
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From: robertmag73@rIll3m~r;(ij• • •
To: robertmag73~:Robert Maginnis)
Subject: Maginnis~oonist on Fox's H&C
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:00:24 +0000
Tonight, I'm scheduled to appear opposite a political cartoonist on Fox's H&C - 9PM eastern.
The topic is the political cartoon that appeared in the Washington Post showing a soldier with all
limbs amputated with Secretary Rumsfeld next to the bed. The cartoon is attached as is an
objecting letter from the Joint Chiefs. Obviously, I will condemn such political statements. I
would welcome your observations and comments. What needs to be said? Thanks.
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I'M LlrTltJ~
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OFFICE OFTHE CHAIRMAN
THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF
WASHINGTON, D.C. 2031 B-9999
31 January 2006
Mr. Philip Bennett

Managin~ Editor, The Washington Post
1150 1St Street NW
To The Editor of the Washington Post:
We were extremely disappointed to see the edItorial cartoon by Tom Toles on

page 86 in the January 29th edition. Using the likeness of a service member who has
lost his arms and legs in war as the central theme of a cartoon is beyond tasteless.
Editorial cartoons are often designed to exaggerate issues - and your paper is
obviously free to address any topic. including the state of readiness of today's Armed
Forces. However, we believe you and Mr. Toles have done a disservice to your readers
and your paper's reputation by using such a callous depiction of those who have
volunteered to defend this nation, and as a result, have suffered traumatic and life
altering wounds.
Those who visit with wounded veterans in local hospitals have found lives
profoundly changed by pain and loss. They have also found brave men and women
with a sense of purpose and selfless commitment that causes truly battle-hardened
warriors to pause. Where do we get such men and women? From the cities, and
farmlands of this great Nation - they serve to be a part of something bigger than
themselves. While· you or some of your readers may not agree with th~ war or Its
conduct, we believe you owe the men and women and their families who so selflessly
serve our country the decency to not make light of their tremendous physical sacrifices.
As the Joint Chiefs, it is rare that we all put our hand to one letter, but we cannot
let this reprehensible cartoon go unanswered.
Sincerely,
~ PETER PACE
PAoJ~···
GIAMBASTIA~~-r.-
EDMUND P.
General, US Marine Corps Admiral, U.S. Navy
Chairman Vice Chairman
Of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
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MICHAEL W. HAGEE
General, US Marine Corps
Commandant of the Marine Corps
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PETER J. SCHOOMAKER
General, US Army
Chief of Staff
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Admiral, US Navy
IT:~ MOSELEY
General, US Air Force
Chief of Naval Operations
Chief of Staff
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From: . mIld . CIV, OASD-PA
Sent:. Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:26 PM
Subject: FW: GTMO book project
fyi. .....
From:~ CDR, OASD-PA

Sent: Wednesday, February 01,20061:18 PM
To: ~ CIV, OASD-PA
Ce: Ballesteros, Mark J LTC OASD-PA;~COL OCPA; (b)(6) LCDR, OASD-PA; rll.Mll.iJI• • •
Lt Col, OASD-PA; • • CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: GTMO book project
Thanks for the cc: on this note, _
You're follow-up questions are right on the mark.
1. I suspect they want to talk with someone in DASD-DA (b)(6) who can describe the process used to select a
detainee for GTMO?
2. I've cc:'drmtm so he's aware that we have a request to interview MGEN Miller. I suspect his lawyers have advised
him not to do any interviews, but you never know if this has changed.
God bless,
~
Commander~
Pentagon Press Officer
Office of the Secretary of Defense
Desk: (b)(2)
Office
Fax:tn"~j
(b)(2)
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From: rfDlm. . CIV, OASD-PA
sent: Wednesday, February 01,200611:18 AM
To: 'Gordon Cucullu'; Paul Valla...-
Ce: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; [IDlm_ CDR, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: Project Gitmo
hi gordon,
we are happy to look into setting something up for you.
can you clarify what you mean by "selection"? and please let us know when you plan to arrive in dc so we will have a
better idea of the time frame you're looking at for the interviews.
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by the way, any progress on finding a pUblisher??
thanks!
rmTI
From: Gordon Cucullu [mallto:gordon@. •
Sent: TueSdaj,JanUary 31,20067:13 PM
To:rmtm aV,OASD-PA
Cc: Paul Vallely
Subject: Project Gitmo
Hi,mII
Our trip was very rewarding. As we proceed with the writing we are finding some holes that would best be filled so that
readers can understand the sweep of events.
One of these has to do with selection. It was probably done at the AO level initially at the Joint Staff. If anyone is still
around from that time it would be useful to interview them.
The other is the period under Gen Miller's command. All agree he got manhandled by the anti-press. We'd like to
interview him to fill in that gap.
One or both of us will be in DC for an intel conference in a couple of weeks. If you have any thoughts about how we
can make the above happen, please let us know.
As always, thanks and warm regards,
Gordon
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From:' tamS I CIV, OASD-PA

Sent: Tuesday, January 31,20069:16 AM
To: Ruff, Eric, SES. OASD-PA
SUbject: Phone Call
Importance: High
Attachments: image001.jpg; image002.gif
0915 - Jed Babbill @ (b)(2)
(b)(6)
Administrative Support Assistant
OASD Puhlic Ajj(.lirs

(b)(2)
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(b)(6)
From: JedBabbin@tlMlM
Sent: Monday, January 30,20068:41 AM
To: Lawrence, Dallas Mr OSD PA .
SUbject: Re: The Kerrybuster: Today's Spectator
great. I'd really like to get them to Vines and Bolger. Thanks.
So: when we gain' to Afghanistan, dude?
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From:' Lawrence, Dallas, OASD·PA
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:36 AM
To: 'JedBabbin@MGtW
Subject: RE: The Kerrybuster: Today's Spectator
Weve got them. We are planning a trip out there in about 2 weeks, and if that comes together they will be hand delivered
to each. If not, we will send them via mail. Thanks!
Dallas B. Luwrenee
Din"'lor. Ullin' of Cornnmnil Y I{da lion,· & Publie Li,li~on
Liuil"d Slall'.;' Dl'p:II'Lrrll'Jll ofnd(~Il>«>
(b)(2)
From: JedBabbin@~Mld[mailto:JedBabbin@rmmD!I
To: Dallas.Lawrence©tL1fld
Subject: Re: The Kerrybuster: Today's Spectator
Thanks. When I couldn't find you, I dropped the copies offwith. Were you able to get some over to Iraq?
Like to Vines and Dan Bolger at AI-Rustimayah?
! I I
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From:' . Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA

Sent: Monday, Janua~ 30,20068:31 AM
To: 'JedBabbin@m'ld
Subject: RE: The Kerrybuster: Today's Spectator
Good stuff!
Dalla8 B. LllWr(~lIee
[)nited Slalei' Dl'partrrll'lll of Defell.-/,
From: JedBabbjn@fj5fmW[mailto:JedBabbin~ . .
Sent: Monday, January 30,20068:22 AM
To: tmcinerney@tJ;m.i paulvallely@1:ifl5ii . nashct@~Mlit.Glenstrae77@rmtlMI BLlRM41516
@fimmwmlld WSSlnter~ roberthscales@fGJf{d (b)(6)
Subject: The Kerrybuster: Today's Spectator
Sometimes we must give thanks for our opponents. They make it sooooooo easy.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From: rmmJ • TSgt, OASD-PA

Sent: Friday, January 27,2006 10:36 AM
Subject: Jed Babbin called 1037. (b)(2)
(b)(6) TSgt, USAF
for Public Affairs
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From: CIV OASD-PA

Sent: Thu~anuary 26,200612:37 PM
To: rmtm. . . CIV, OASD-PA
Cc: Smith, Dorrance, HON,. OASD-PA; Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD; WhtmIGDiyan, SES, OASD
PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; • • CIV, OASD
PA; Merritt, Roxie 1. CAPT, OASD-PA;. • LT OA D-PA; Thorp, Frank,
RDML OASD-PA'OOm I CIV, OASD-PA CIV, OASD-PA;
• • CIV, OASD-PA; • • . 1, AFIS-HQ/NEWS:
Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; • • Col, OCJCS/PA
SUbject: Transcript military analysts QDR
Attachments: 01-25-06 QDR Ryan Henry, VADM Chanik,doc
01-25-06 QDR
:yan Henry, VADM "
Attached is the transcript from yesterday's briefing with Mr. Ryan, VADM
Chanik and the military analysts.
The briefing was on background.
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Transcript
Military Analyst Briefing
Topic: QDR
Jan. 25, 2006, 2E556 The Pentagon
Mr. Ryan Henry, PDUSD Policy; VADM Evan M. "Marty" Chanik
Host: Eric Ruff OASDPA
''''~
ON BACKGROUND
Transcriber: ~
Mr. Ruff: Hello? Folks, this is Eric Ruff and with me is, among others, are Ryan Henry
and Admiral Marty Chanik, and they'll be talking to you for a second - in a second or
two..
I just wanted to open up by talking a little bit about sort of what we are doing here.
Obviously, as we are getting closer and closer to releasing the QDR, in about - what is it
now, probably about 12 days or something like that - a week from this Monday,
information is already starting to come out more and more.
You probably saw Mark Mazzetti's piece in the LA Times (Jan. 24), so we kind of made
a decision to start talking about this a little bit. So we are talking on background now
about the QDR. And I think the framework we are working in - and we have a document
that's called a preface. It's a preface that's going to go in the front of the QDR when we
send it up. And we can make this available to you guys. I don't know if we have the
electrons on it yet - but we have a - it's about a three-page document, and Tara (Jones)
or somebody will get it out to you either by fax or email, if we can email it OK? So, I
think we've got all that infonnation for everybody who's on the call.
Important to remember here is that this QDR is not a new beginning. In essence, we've
been working lessons learned since we came in in 2001. And it's been a process by which
over the last year or so a number of assumptions have been looked at and tested and
tested and the thinking has been throughout this what have we learned from Iraq? What
have learned from Afghanistan? And what do we know going into the future about what
our force structure is going to be?
This thing has been a very high collaboration with civilian - I haven't been here more
than two years, but the civilian and military collaboration in terms of this document, and
Ryan and the admiral can certainly speak to this - has been really something to watch
over the last year-plus.
So with that in mind, I'B just - we'll turn it over to Ryan and then Ryan, you and Marty
can just take it from here.
Mr. Ryan: Yeah, hi, this is Ryan Henry. First of all I want to say hi to Ken and Tim from
a fanner life. I am going to walk you through some high points on the QDR. My role was
as I guess basically the traffic cop, the manager, and then I was supported by Marty who
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is the J-8 here, and also the folks in PA&E, and the three of us pretty much represented
the management cell.
One thing unique about this QDR as Eric was alluding to is that it was not a staff product.
It is the work of the four stars, and their Senate-confirmed civilian equivalents in the
building. They drove it; they made all the decisions; they directed the work on it; and
they're the guys that put thousands and thousands of hours into it.
It is a wartime QDR. That's one thing that's different from in the past. We think that
we're in the fourth year of a very long war. It's a war with a different sort of enemy than
we faced in the past, and different sort of needed capabilities that we have to develop.
The QDR itself is supposed to be a 20-year look into the future of what the department
needs. We're supposed to develop a strategy and then resource that strategy. Another
thing that we did different this time is before starting the QDR we did the strategy. That
was published in March of '05. It's available on DefenseLink. It's an unclass document.
That strategy took about six months of the senior leadership's time. And when we refer to
the senior leadership, we're talking the secretary and the deputy, the chairman and the
vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs, three Service secretaries, five - four service chiefs, and
five undersecretaries. And that comprises the headquarter's senior leadership, and then on
a periodic basis we bring in the nine combatant commanders to get their inputs. That
group was supported by the vice chiefs of the Services and some of the other direct
reports to the secretary who, at their four-star level, ended up doing an awful lot of the
staff work to push it forward to the senior leadership.
What we came out with were two twin imperatives. And the bottom line of the QDR
report itself says that we need to shift our balance and the capabilities we had, that the
Sept. 11, 2001 represented a change and an off-balancing of what the strategic context
that we thought we ha<;l up until that point. And so we are shifting our balance and we are
shifting our capabilities. And I'll talk to some of the areas we are doing that in.
We see four sets of challenges that we have in the future to be able to address. And
historically we've looked at a traditional set of challenges which basically involved major
combat ops, and state-versus-state conflicts. And we looked at everything else as a lesser
included case to be able to meet that.
As we look to the future we see a set of irregular challenges which are represented by
both Iraq and Afghanistan, but also the operations that we saw in Haiti and Liberia, and
this is where usually the enemy is within a state, but not part of a state. We are not
fighting another nation-state, but some sort of movement, and it requires a different set of
capabilities, sometimes thought as lower level but still an area where we need to develop
more expertise.
The second set is a catastrophic set of challenges. And those are one time of events that
could occur to the U.S. They are just unacceptable for us to accept that blow. Pearl
Harbor would be an example of that; 9-11 is an example of that; getting hit by a nuclear
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lED in one of our cities would be an example of that. And so defense has a role in
protecting the nation against that in the future.
And then the final set of the four is disruptive. And that is a challenge or a threat which
might come against us that would basically neutralize the American military as a key
instrument of national power.
And you kind of think of if another country would have gotten stealth rather than us,
what would have that meant? If somebody comes up with a bio-warfare agent that can
genetically target our soldiers or something, than those are the type of challenges that we
want to be able to meet.
So we look at the future; we look at about getting capabilities across all four of those sets
of challenges.
The second big part of the QDR was a recognition that aswe change the capability of the
forces in the field we have to change the headquarters. That the headquarters and the way
that we're currently and operated is not sufficiently agile to be able to support the
fighting forces that we have over there. So we have to do things to better support them
and to be able to accelerate our ability to reorient the force. So there is an internal look
here, too.
There's a recognition that this QDR, as Eric was saying, is a point in time across a
continuum of transformation. Show it represents a snapshot in time. It is something that
started working on basically two years ago started the initial effort, and we'll still be
working on it two years from now.
There is a point in time on the 6th of February where we send up a report to the Hill, but it
is an evolving process..
Eric talked a little bit about the lessons learned and what went in here. It was more than
just Iraq and Afghanistan. It is the - the other areas in the global war on terror - the
Philippines, the Horn of Africa,Georgia and the Pan-Sahel (in Africa). These are areas
where we are trying to fight the global war on terrorism. We are working with partner
nations; sometimes they lack the capability, sometimes they lack the will to be able to
effectively prosecute this, and we need to do things to build up their capabilities.
Another big area is humanitarian. Our biggest victories to date in the global war on
terrorism which involves impacting the hearts and minds of the moderate Muslims have
been in our responses to humanitarian disasters. Specifically, the earthquake around
Christmas of '04 and then the, tsunami from the earthquake, and then Pakistani
earthquake (October '05). And the polling that the agency does and the shift of opinions
because of those toward the United States and away from radical Islam has been very,
very significant.· .
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So that speaks to another problem that we face in the future and that's one of
unpredictability and uncertainty. We cannot predict with any certainty whatsoever how
. our forces might be able to be used in the future. We can say with a very high probability
that within the next 10 years U.S. forces will be employed somewhere in the world where
they are not today. But as far as when that will be, where that will be, or how that will be,
there is just no way to determine that. So we have to have an agility of forces and we
have to build capabilities, rather than focusing on a specific threat.
And then the final area that has informed the work is our response in support of civil
authorities, specifically, the military's response to 9-11, and now more recently Hurricane
Katrina and Rita. And that in providing the American people security, we have a role to
play on the domestic front, too.
So the QDR then will speak to - the document will speak to four key focus areas that we.
are concerned with building more capabilities at the beginning of the 21 sl century.
How do we provide defense in-depth to the homeland? How do we hasten the demise of
terrorist networks? How do we preclude hostile powers or rogue elements from acquiring
or using WMD? And then finally, how do we influence and impact countries that are at
strategic crossroads?
And they're we are thinking of three countries specifically. We are thinking of Russia
and to temper its move toward authoritarianism. We are thinking of China and
successfully managing its rise in the community of nations as a constructive force, and if
that didn't prove successful, how do we dissuade them from hostile ambitions? How do
we deter them from (inaudible - cursor? Cursory?) actions 'and if called on, how would
we be able to defeat them? And then finally then India, the world's democracy, second
largest Muslim nation, we think a key partner in the future, and how do we build a
strategic alliance with them?
So those are four problem areas that the QDR addressed, and in doing that, they tried to
come up with for our external customer, who we personify in the president, how are we
going to be able to provide him, and his successor more importantly, options to be able to
deal with these key problem areas of the beginning of the 21 sl century?
And then for our internal customer, who we view as the joint warfighter, how do we get
them the capabilities set that they'll be more effective in dealing with these? And so the
QDR then goes through and takes 12 different areas where we are interested in
developing and enhancing capabilities. And then it goes on to look at the headquarter's
function - how do we do governance at the headquarter's level? How do we improve on
some of our processes? What do we do as far as the human capital strategy? And then
finally, and probably most importantly, what can we do in the area of building
partnership capability and capacity?
Now that partnership and capability capacity happens domestically, as far as working
with state and local governments, Department of Home1and Security; it happens
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interagency on the national security front, working with State Department, the NSC, CIA
in an interagency process; and then internationally, how do we build the capability of the
partner nations that we work with? Because this is very clear to the Department of
Defense that we have to have lots of humility as we approach the problem set before us.
We are not going to be able to predict what is going to be able to happen, and we are not
going to be able to solve it on our own, either as a department or a nation. We are going
to be dependent on partners. Most times for sure they are going to be able to for sure
address the problem cheaper than we can, and many times they are going to be able to do
it more effectively because they are familiar with the local cultural terrain, they know the
language, and they can operate more effectively in the environment we are in.
Along those 12 areas that we talked about being able to make changes, we talk about
leading-edge investments that we can make and decisions that we can make in the fiscal
year '07 budget, that arrives on the Hill the same time that the QDR does. But those are
only leading-edge investments. The major shifts the department needs to make will be
made as we do the program - future-year defense program in the coming year, which will
look at the years' 08 through' 13. So that's where a lot of the significant vectors that the
QDR has set will find their way into programmatic change, although there are some that
are handled in the QDR itself.
And with that, at a top level - I guess one of the things - two other points real quick. One
is we did do a force-planning construct. We have refined the force-planning construct
from 2001. We maintain that we will still be able to do two major conflicts nearly
simultaneously, take one of them to the level of what we call a win-decisive, sometimes
categorized as something that might result in a regime change. We'll be able to do those.
In the past, we had thought of both of those as conventional, campaigns. Going forward,
we want to have the capability to have one of them be a prolonged, irregular campaign.
The analysis that we did in the QDR clearly proved that the most stressing thing on the
force is not the high-intensity major combat operations, but it is the prolonged, irregular
campaign that goes on for a number of years and requires a rotational base to support it.
And the multiplier effect there is what puts the stress on the force.
Some of the other things we learned is that we talk about the force some people think of
an active-reserve component. We also need to think about an operational and an
institutional component. And the usability and the force that we employ forward is only
the operational component. And so as we look at what the size of the force is, rather than
looking at total end strength, where there is many things on the institutional force we can
do to transfer to civilian jobs or contractor jobs, we really - what the number we're really"
interested in is what do we have in the operational force, and what are the capabilities of
those forces versus the problem set we are confronted with?
And so the QDR does a lot to move more capability and more numbers into the
operational force. It also does a lot to move more capability into the irregular special
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operations arena, making some sizable increases there, and taking the general purpose
forces and start to give them (soft-light?) capabilities.
Also in the force-planning construct, we recognize the need to have a deterrence, but not
a one-size-fits-all deterrence, which we've had in the past of massive retaliation, but one
that will also work against rogue powers who might be in a state of collapse or would
seemingly appear to be undeterrable and also terrorists and their networks.
And so there was the addition of a broader deterrent capability. So the force-planning
construct maintains the two-war strategy; maintains the forward presence; talks to a
steady state versus surge. In the area of surge there's going to be two - we will be able to
handle two major conflicts, one of them which might be a prolonged irregular and take
one of them to a win-decisive level.
It also recognizes that the force sizing, versus the force planning, is going to tend to be a
function of policy choices being made. What are you going to have in the way of a
mobilization as you face different conflicts? What are you going to do as a rotational
base? What are you going to do for timelines (inaudible - at?) the operational criteria that
you set for yourself? Are you going to stay engaged at the same level around the world?
Are you going to do anything different institutionally to be able to move forces from the
institutional to the operational? And then what will you do with emergency authorities
you might have like we currently have on end strength?
The QDR went in with the assumption that the force size, while it was about right, but the
force capability distribution needed a lot of rebalancing. After a year of work and
analysis, we feel comfortable with that initial assumption and have kept it.
So with that, if Marty Chanik has anything to add I'll let him do that, and then we can
start taking your questions.
VADM: Chanik: Good afternoon. I think probably the best use of your time that goes is
to go to your questions, because quite frankly, Ryan really captured the essence of the
report and I think he highlighted it pretty well. So I think we're ready for questions.
Q: Yeah, this is Jeff MacCausland, sir, with CBS. Can you talk a bit more detail,
particularly about the Army. I mean the secretary, frankly, got beat up a little bit beat up
today in the press conference I watched. There's been some leaks about reduction in
National Guard brigades and shifting force structure to the active, which could make
some sense, but it gets people doWn in communities all exercised (inaudible) interviewed
the other day.
So can you talk a little bit specifically about Anny, what you're thinking about there
force-structure wise, change the National Guard-active mix, those kind of things?
Mr. Henry: OK, well the Army is going away, obviously, from the differentiated division
concept to modular brigades, 77 of those of the combat brigades. Of those 77, in the
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reserve component, there will be 28 that will be fully capable and on the par with the
active.
In the past, there was - we had 16 enhanced brigades, and not all of those were actually
whole brigades. We're moving it up to 28. The brigade structure on the reserve
component will stay at 106, but the remaining brigades will be in the combat support,
combat service support.
So, from our way of thinking, we are bringing up the reserve component and making
them part of the varsity. As we start to develop how we will use these brigades and
develop rotational models, then the reserve component will be part of that force
generation model for the Army. .
So, to be perfectly honest with you, we are a little bit perplexed on the type of responses
that we are seeing. Now, in a planning process and as one starts to look at alternatives, all
sorts of numbers are thrown around. And I think the reaction you are seeing is is it's not
that we are decreasing the Guard or taking them down. There is a mentally that says that
the highest number that a Guard guy ever saw that what they might be at is not the
number we settled at as we worked everything out. So at one point in time there were
numbers that were under consideration that were above 28 on the combat brigade~, but at
no time had anything been finalized, as we balanced everything out, keep them at the
same level, 106 total brigades, 28 which are the combat ones, which is up from the 16
quasi~full brigades that they have now.
Q: One quick follow up. Will there be any on the Guard side divisional flags go away?
Because that gets them upset even if, you know, the number of brigades stay constant.
.
-+. Mr. Ryan: Right, right. And as you are probably aware, there's a lot of flags around right
now to which there aren't necessarily whole units to go with. The number of flags will
remain the-same. The percentage of flags that have real, viable forces associated with
them will go up. But that is not to say that there might not be a handful around that are in
the current status that they are now that there's not necessarily a fully associated unit with
them. But no flags - to my knowledge - to my knowledge no flags will go away.
So they'll still have the same bragging rights.
Q: Exactly.
Q: Hello. Jed Babbin, American Spectator. Have you guys gotten a sign off from
Negroponte and Goss (Porter Goss?) on this? Because what I am hearing is you guys are
going to be putting an awful lot more into establishing defense-related intelligence
capability and there could be a little bit of a turf war brewing, no?
Mr. Ryan: The QDR has been staffed through the NSC, up to the highest levels, in
(and?) components that comprise the NSC - the intelligence community, the State
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Department, the Department of Homeland Security, Justice Department, it has also been
staffed through those organizations also.
I - we have not solved the problem of the iron major and the titanium colonel, either in
our organization or other ones. You will be able to fmd somebody buried in an
organization who somehow feels that his particular parochial interest was not served as
fully as he thought. You will not find anybody at the senior levels of the defense
establishment - and that's the four stars - that don't believe in this document. That's -- I
mean, some of us that have participated in it think that the document itself is just an
artifact of the QDR. But really what the QDR was it was a process that brought the
department in, looked at a common set of problems, and came up with a cohesive
approach to it that everyone buys in.
There - one of the things we get hit for is that there were no major weapon cuts. We
didn't kill any major weapon systems in the QDR. Because we had such a collaborative
effort, we were able to make large investments in the areas we need to do, without having
to do that. And it couldn't have been done ifit weren't the Services that were coming
forward and saying this is how I can do my part to contribute to be able to shift the
balance and where we need to go.
So, I've only been in the Pentagon for three years, but guys that have been through here
and sat through all the QDRs say that this was fundamentally different in kind as far as
not just the approach at the senior leadership, but as it developed, the collaborative effort,
the fact that - and the vices - and maybe Marty's got a better count than I do - but I
would say the vices put in 500 hours of their time over the last 15, 16 months, in sitting
down and coUaboratively working with the under secretaries and the deputy and the vice
chairman in trying to come up and work through these solutions.
And we couldn't got to where we did if this wouldn't have represented - the spirit
wouldn't have been one of that we are all in this together and we have to come up with
common solutions.
We also, as far as inc1usivity, brought in on many of our meetings members of the

Department of Homeland Security, the CIA; we actually had some of our key allies
participate in our internal discussions. And so this was much more inclusive than it's
been in the past, too.
So, you know, there might be some people who feel that they were injured but we are not
aware of anybody at a leadership level anywhere in the government that feels
uncomfortable with this report.
VADM Chanik: Andjust to put an asterisk to the question on Ambassador Negroponte,

Office of the Secretary of Defense folks that are the intel side of the house is working
very closely continuous process working with the director of national intelligence and the
CIA. So there's been an awful lot of crosstalk during the development of this QDR and
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continuing onward with balancing the capabilities that are represented in all those three
organizations.
Mr. Ruff: More questions?
Q: If nobody else is going to jump in, it's Jed Babbin for one more. You've mentioned a
tenn and you just scared the liver out of me, guys. Nuclear lED?
Mr. Ryan: Yeah, I mean if -let's face it, we've got some bad guys out there that are
trying to develop a full nuclear full cycle, and have the ability to produce fissile material.
This is all about what the (? Response) to the global war on terrorism. It is weapons of
mass destruction. It is a globalization mechanism which allows the movement of
materials and ideas in a network world, and it is the emergence of terrorist organizations
that have no limit to the amount of terror that they are willing to put on any nation or any
group of people to get to their political ends.
And the nexus of those three things is what keeps us up at night.
Q: Forgive me for interrupting but I think one of things that I am hearing is that if it is a
new tenn, it's got to be an identifiable threat. Is this near or longer tenn7
Mr. Henry: We have countries that are producing nuclear materials that are not under the
non-proliferation treaty right now. So it is a possibility of which we cannot ignore. And I
mean it is the high end, worse case. It doesn't necessarily - a nuclear lED is not
necessarily something that would have to go critical, and it could just have a radiological
dispersion aspect of it -- known as an RDD - radiological dispersion device.
And the other thing is is the QDR is given a responsibility to look out in the next 20
years. When we go to the intelligence community and ask them to look into the future,
and to give us an assessment of where we are going to be, they can do it with a certain·
degree of accuracy out to five years.
The world we live in right now though, going out 10 years is an extremely iffy exercise,
one that they feel uncomfortable with. And they will not venture out to the 20-year mark
because the world's just too uncertain; we cannot predict which way things are going to
go. The enemy is evolving too fast to be able to do any sort of linear extrapolation.
And so we have a responsibility in looking out at that 20 years to be able to address all
feasible threats and to try to anchor what the high-end one is. And a terrorist with· a
with a - with fissile material, and with a little bit of know-how, is the worst-case
scenario.
That coupled though - I would say that's on a par with a terrorist with bio-warfare
knowledge, too, or access to bio-warfare materials. Both of those are the high end one.
Q: Thank you.
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Q: This is Jeff MacCausland again. There's been a lot of leaks, and I emphasize the
words leaks, so you can say that's not necessarily true, that one of the things this report is
going to say to the shifting of a particular number of forces - particularly air and naval
from, frankly, the Atlantic to the Pacific. Can you talk about that for a second?
And also, how do you see balancing the effort to, if you will, find a good relationship
with the Chinese as opposed to creating a force structure that they find threatening and
then we end up, you know, fulfilling our own prophecies?
Mr. Ryan: Right. I mean that's a -let me deal witp. the latter one, the Pacific and stuff
like that. I mean, stability is the coin of the realm in the Pacific. It's not subject to an
alliance structure like the Atlantic is. The U.S. is a force for stability in the region. I think
it's recognized by all. We don't use our forces out there in an aggressive nature.
By the same token, for operational responsiveness, the timelines due to the distance
involved are significantly different in the Pacific, so we need to have things forward. Our
ability to respond with 17,000 troops within one week of the Banda Aceh tsunami, to be
able to be delivering relief, we could not have done if we didn't have our forward basing
and forward presence structure that we have there.
In order to do that, there will be a shift of maritime toward the Pacific. We talked about
that in QDR '01; we continue to talk about that in QDR '06. And you'll probably see
some specific metrics in the report that will very discretely deal with that.
In the Atlantic - the Atlantic is a -- to maintain our traditional relationship with NATO,
to encourage the transformation of NATO from a Cold War structure to one that can
make a difference to the world we live in. Obviously you're aware that we're doing ISAF
(International Security Assistance Force) out-of-area ops there in Afghanistan, and we're
working with them on the NATO response force, and we're having discussions on other
areas as we'll go to Werkunde (Gennany) and the fi?inisterial is coming up here in couple
of months on areas that NATO can continue to grow there. But it probably doesn't
require the same force structure that it did during the Cold War.
Q: Thank you.
Mr. Ruff: OK, we'll just recap here. We'll get this material out to you, and I know one or
two folks asked if they could get a transcript of this just for your own personal use and
the answer is yes, we'll give you that. It's on background.
And I would just add one last thing and that is, you know, there's been a lot of discussion
is building and QDR is certainly part of this umbrella in the long war. And just for your
assay, you're going to be seeing in the days and weeks ahead the secretary and leadership
in this building talking more about this long war and what the components are. And I
would just give you that as something to be watching out for as we go forward with
speeches and things like that.
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OK? Thanks everybody.
(end of call).
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Sent: Thursday, January 26,2006 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: aDR interviews
Sir - Do we want to do these 1 on 1 or as a group?
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Subject: Re: QDR interviews
Let's get these three in friday. Jt can deal w!flournoy.
If we're not already doing it, let's prepare for this meeting by being able to point at
specific statements they've written thare are fairly wide of the mark -- observations that
don't reflect to reality. ,Thanks.
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Subject: RE: QDR interviews
~ Some of the most prominent ones ore Michael O'Hanlon, Loren Thompson, and Tom
Donnelly. Michele Fluornoy will be with ~~ in New York at the same time, so she
~be covered. Eric probably has a good flavor for whomever else we should invite.
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Sent~January 26, 2006 8:48 AM
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~ - Who were the naysayers you mentioned the other day. There is a time slot now
devoted to it tomorrow, and I want to be able to get them scheduled. Col. ~:utit. has
Blocked 1330-1430 Friday for "naysayers"
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TO:~R, OASD-PAi • • ASD-PAi • • CDR, JCS
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COL, OSD-POLICYi~IUH
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OASD-PAi Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PA;
Greg: I spoke with Ryan and he's ready to engage with analysts tomorrow (Thurs). Please
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also remember that you have ~i as a resource, especially for backgrounders. He's
done plenty of them before. He'll be available Thurs morning and Fri afternoon (but not
noon Thurs to noon Fri) , and then will be available all of next week. I say this in case
Ryan Henry's busy schedule prevents him from doing these backgrounders or handling the
naysayers, and ~has expressed strong willingness to do engage.
(b)(6) Please see all the caveats below.
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POLICY; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PA; ~lIlIilll CIV,
OASD-PA
All - Have received Change 1 notice to the below plan following meetings this afternoon.
Understand that the desire is now do the Military Analysts brief tomorrow instead of
Defense News and CQ. We'll push them to Friday instead. A couple of things:
1) If we can't get the analysts to sign up for the 1600 tomorrow, is there an available
opportunity on Thursday?
2) If we can get them to sign up for tomorrow, it'll have to be a conference call. We'll
set it up in our spaces ... rJ~JIi If you want them here, we'll have to give them at least
a couple of days notice.
3) Since we'll push Sherman and CQ to Friday, we'll cancel LA Times since they ran a story
this morning. Can we find space on Thursday for WSJ and USA Today? Reason is that
neither run a weekend edition. We'll be talking to them for a Friday print edition.
4) Can we find an additional place in Mr. Henry's schedule to have him talk to the
'naysayers' (Donnelly, Thompson, o 'Hannon, etc.) either Thursday or Friday?
Understand this a lot, but this is the direction the QDR Working Group agreed we should
proceed.
Standing by to assist when/where needed.
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Subject: QDR interviews
Here is the line-up to date. The intent for these background interviews is for Mr Henry
and Adm Chanik take them. Of course, both can bring any staff experts they'd like there.
col~ two things.
Does Mr Henry need/want prep sessions. I imagine not given his involvement in the
process to date. Either way, we will get the QDR talking points to him and Adm Chanik if
they don't already have them.
Need one more interview slot. One hour for Demetri Sevastapulo (Financial Times)
SCHEDULED INTERVIEWS:
Wed, 25 Jan, 1600-1700, Rm~ Background Interview w/ Jason Sherman (Inside
Defense) and a possible ,rep from Congressional Quarterly
Fri, 27 Jan, 1130-1230, Rmij~JhI Background Interview w/Jaffe (WSJ) and Mazzetti (LA
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III Some of the most prominent ones ore Michael O'Hanlon, Loren Thompson, and Tom Donnelly. Michele Fluornoy
will be with ~L\flri in New York at the same time, so she will be covered. Eric probably has a good flavor for
whomever else we should invite.mI{I
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mm - Who were the naysayers you mentioned the'other day. There is a time slot now devoted to it tomorrow, and I
want to be able to get them scheduled. Col.~has Blocked 1330-1430 Friday for "naysayers"
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.~ Ryan and he's ready to engage with analysts tomorrow (Thurs). Please also remember that you
have rtDlm__ as a resource, especially for backgrounders. He's done plenty of them before. He'll be available
Thurs morning and Fri afternoon (but not noon Thurs to noon Fri), and then will be available all of next week. I say this
in case Ryan Henry's busy schedule prevents him from doing these backgrounders or handling the naysayers, and Jim
has expressed strong willingness to do engage.
(b)(6) • Please see all the caveats below.
Mike
---··Original Message----
From:r6lTld CDR, OASD-PA
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• LTC, OASD-PA;~CDR, JCS J8; Col, OSD-POLICY; rdlTldW
• • D-POLICY . .
. Cc:·· CIV, OSD-POLICYifjSfCl; . CDR. JCS J8;~ lLT, OSD-POLICY; Whitman,
Bryan, SES, OASD-PAi Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PAi ~ASD-PA
All - Have received Change 1 notice to the below plan following meetings this afternoon. Understand that the
desire is now do the Military Analysts brief tomorrow instead of Defense News and ca. We'll push them to Friday
instead. A couple of things:
1) If we can't get the analysts to sign up for the 1600 tomorrow, is there an available opportunity on Thursday?
2) If we can get them to sign up for tomorrow, it'll have to be a conference call. We'll set it up in our spaces ...
2E556. If you want them here, we'll have to give them at least a couple of days notice.
3) Since we'll push Sherman and CO to Friday, we'll cancel LA Times since they ran a story this morning. Can we
find space on Thursday for WSJ and USA Today? Reason is that neither run a weekend edition. We'll be talking
to them for a Friday print edition.
4) Can we find an additional place in Mr. Henry's schedule to have him talk to the 'naysayers' (Donnelly,
Thompson, O'Hannon, etc.) either Thursday or Friday?
Understand this a lot, but this is the direction the aDR Working Group agreed we should proceed.
Standing by to assist when/where needed.
VR/ CDR Hicks
From: O'Grady, Tracy, LTC, OASD-PA
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 4:27 PM
To:rmTl:.i CDR, OASD-PA; (b)(6)

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Cc:~ 13
CDR, JCS J8iNmlri
COL, OSD-POLICY
CIV,OSD-POLICY; • • CD~
COI,OSD-POLICY;_
J1LT, OSD-POLICY; Whitman,
Bryan, SES, OASD-PAi Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PAi ~ CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: QDR interviews
Here is the line-up to date. The intent for thesl;! background interviews is for Mr Henry and Adm Chanik take
them. Of course. both can bring any staff experts they'd like there.
Col Graham: two things.
- Does Mr Henry needlwant prep sessions. I imagine not given his involvement in the process to date. Either
way, we will get the QDR talking points to him and Adm Chanik if they don't already have them.
- Need one more interview slot. One hour for Demetri Sevastapulo (Financial Times)
SCHEDULED INTERVIEWS:
- Wed, 25 Jan, 1600-1700, Rm rr.\Tf;I Background Interview wi Jason Sherman (Inside Defense) and a possible
rep from Congressional Quarterly
- Fri, 27 Jan, 1130-1230, Rm rmTm Background Interview wl]affe (WSJ) and Mazzetti (LA Times)
- Fri, 3 Feb, 14:15-15:15, Rm rmIml Background interview wi Shanker(NYT) I Donnelley (Time Mag)
vir
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(b)(6)
From: taMla CIV, OASD-PA

SUbject: RE:Conference call today
yes .... i don't show favoritism!
To: I • CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: Re: Conference call today
Hey, I know it went to pple on the call -- did it go to all the analysts, which was my
message?
-----ori~inal Message----
From: tLTm CIV, OASD- PA
Sent: Thu Jan 26 08:29:57 2006
Subject: RE: Conference call today
went out last night right after the conference call .... nice of you to keep up!
To: I • CIV, OASD-PA
SUbject: RE: Conference call today
~ let's get the preface to all the analysts this a.m. thanks.
From:~~ CIV, OASD-PA
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 6:32 PM
thanks and you're welcome. :)
To: ~Mlri CIV, OASD-PA
Sent: Wed Jan 25 17:59:19 2006
nice job, today. thanks.
-----Original Messaqe----
From: ~=ntri CIV, OASD-PA
To: Wtii;:; ; 3 3; CDR, OASD-PA~;imB;Jalrlblelr.,.Alllll~l·slolnlii'lIiIciIIV' OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD
PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PAilll • COL, JCS J8;
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CDR, JCS J8'
Subject: Conference call today
here are the current rsvp's for today's call.
thanks
mIl
Confirmed Retired Military Analysts:
Mr. Jed Babbin (USAF, JAG)
Colonel (Tim) J. Eads (USA, Retired)
Colonel Jeff McCausland (USA, Retired)
General Tom Wilkerson (USMC, Retired)
(b)(6)
aSD Public Affairs
mill The Pentagon
L1t.ton, D.C. 20301
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From:'
Sent:
room CIV, OASD-PA
Wednesday, January 25, 20066:32 PM
thanks. '" .. and you're welcome. :)
To: , • CIV, OASD- PA
Sent; Wed Jan 25 17:59:19 2006
nice job, today. thanks.
----·Original Messaqe----
'From: I • CIV, OASD-PA
Sent: w.ednesday , January 25, 2006 2:19 PM
To: ~~~. CDR, OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PAi Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-
PAl Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; ~.~,iM.D...... COL, JCS JB;
CDR, JCS J8 I
here are the current rsvp's for today's call.
thanks
[U
Lieutenant Co2one1 Robert L. Maginnis <USA. Retired)
aSD Public Affairs

~3ftJnl, The Pentagon
,
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(b)(6)
- -- -- -
From:' rL"ifl:i CIV,OASD-PA
Sent: wedneSdallinuary 25,20062:19 PM
To: room CDR, OASO-PA; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASO-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OSO;
Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD·PA;M5flri ;OL, JCS J8'; (b 6) CDR,

JCS J8'
here are the current rsvp's for today's call,
thanks
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Colonel (Tim) 1. Eads (U SA, Retired)
Colonel lohn Garrett (USMC, Retired)
Lleutenant Colonel Robert L. Maginnis (USA, Retired)
ColonelleffMcCausland (USA, Retired)
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(b)(6)
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From:
.Sent:
•Wednesday,
•
January 25,200612:07 PM
To: 'JedBabbin@MMmW; Lawrence, Dallas Mr OSD PA
Subject: RE: hey there
just tell me which one and i'll try to get you south parking.
mJ
From: JedBabbin@aol.com [mailto:JedBabbin@rmlGJII
Sent:Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:22 AM
To: Dallas.Lawrence@~Mli\1I.;m.D • • • •
Subject: Re: hey there
Thx. And, for future ref, pIs note change in car info; one or the other of:
Green Toyota Land Cruiser, • • or
Red Ford Mustang, • • ["vast right wing media conspiracy." It's my mid~life crisis-mobile.
Much better than running off with a Dallas Cowboys cheer leader.]
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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(b)(6) _ _
From: tmcinerney@iblliJ
Sent: Wednesday, January 25,200611:27 AM
To: Lawrence, Dallas Mr OSD PA .
Subject: RE: Sniper Rounds
Dallas
No, is this true?
Hope you are feeling better.
Tom
From: "Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA" <Dallas.Lawrence@~

Subj: RE: Sniper Rounds
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was out sick the past two days. Did you get what you needed?
Dallas B. Lawrence
Director, Office of Community Relations ampi Public Liaison
W) ~~J •
From: Thomas McInerney [mailto:tmcinerney@ij5ft:§ ; ;

To:ij5fni CIV, OASD-PAi Lawrence, Dallas. OASD-PA
Subject: FW: Sniper Rounds
Dallas and tmIGJII

Is this true?
Tom
Thomas G. McInerney
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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:21:01 -0800 (PST)

To:
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anthony;diraffael@cdcr.ca.gov. Denny Trujillo DTrackerS4@aol.com, Ric Valencia
drvalencia55@msn.com, Dennis Anderson editor@avpress.com, JED BABBIN jednro@aol.com, Bob
Becker beck711@comcast.net. Kirone Brown Kirmayl@AOL.COM', darbyb1@citadel.edu darbybl
@citadel.edu, Mike DeOrian Madwhirlygig@aol.com. Mark Granko MGranko@aol.com
Subject: Sniper Rounds .
Sniper rounds
An Army jUdge advocate general (JAG) temporarily banned Army and Marine Corps snipers
from using a highly accurate open-tip bullet.
The JAG, we are told, mistakenly thought the open-tip round was the same as hollow-point
ammunition. which is banned. The original open-tip was known as Sierra MatchKing and broke
all records for accuracy in the past 30 years.
The difference between the open-tip and the hollow point is that the open tip is a design
feature that improves accuracy while the hollow point is designed for increasing damage
when it hits a target.
About 10 days ago, the Army JAG in Iraq ordered all snipers to stop using the open-tip
17S-grain M118LR bullet, claiming, falsely, it was prohibited. Instead of the open-tip,
snipers were forced to take M-60 machine gun rounds out of belts and use them instead.
The order upset quite a few people here and 'in Iraq who said the JAG ignored the basic
principle of every military lawyer that there is a presumption of legality for all issued
weapons or ammunition that are made at the military service level at the time they are
acquired.
She forced snipers to use less accurate ammunition, thereby placing U.S. forces and Iraqi
civilians at greater risk, a Pentagon official said of the JAG, who was not identified by
name. And she incorrectly issued an order. JAGs may advise a commander, but they cannot
issue orders.
After Army lawyers were finally alerted to the JAG's action, the order was lifted and'the
JAG Wd~ notified that the open tip was perfectly legal for use by snipers. However, the
reversal was followed by the Army officials' taking retaliation against a sniper who blew
the whistle on the bogus order.
The sniper lost his job over a security infraction in reporting the JAG.
I don't have to ask the obvious question, What is wrong with this picture? But how do we
find out who this JAG is and have her stupid little derriere Court Martialled? If this
inde~d did happen, and it is quite easy to believe to those of us who have served and
others who are intelligent observers, someone needs to burn, and it isn't the sniper doing
his job. Mistakes, stupid mistakes like this cost lives, the lives of better men than
fools who make stupid or politically correct decisions.
And second, who cares what kind of round is used to kill our enemies? Are we not trying
to inflict damage and kill them?
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we'll,bind it!
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From:
Sent:
JedBabbin@jU\thl_
Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11 :22 AM
To: Lawrence, Dallas Mr OSD PA;mll3 CIV,OASD-PA
Thx. And, for future ref, pis note change in car info; one or the other of:
Green Toyota Land Cruiser, I' · or
Red Ford Mustang, • • ["vast right wing media conspiracy." It's my mid~life crisis-mobile.
Much better than running off with a Dallas Cowboys cheer leader.]
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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(b)(6)
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Sent: Wednesday, JanUaii5, 2006 11:18 AM
To: 'JedBabbin@~lmrtmIm eIY,OASD-PA
Sounds good.
Dallas 8. Luwf(\lIee
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United SIal .., IJ('l'arl.n1l'1I1 of 1')"[('11.'('
(b)(2)
From: JedBabbin@mYm11 [mailto:JedBabbin~
Sent: Wednesday, Ja~, 200611:17 AM
To: Dallas.Lawrence~
Sure; I'll call to confinn time and impose on youse guys for a parking space. Thanks.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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(b)(6)

Sent: Wednesday, January 25,200611 :16 AM
To: 'JedBabbin@15fh\W
If im not here, tara can help out Probably 10 copies or so?
Dallas B. Lawrt'lll'(~
UiJ'l~I't(lr, Olli"('llf Commnnity Helulion~ ~'i, Public Liai~(Hl
From: JedBabbin@mmJI[mailto:JedBabbin~
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:01 AM
To: Dallas.Lawrence@osd.mil
Big 0: When can I come by to deliver same? Are you around late tomorrow or some time Friday?
Best, Jed. '
Jed Babbin
(Fax)
(Mobile)
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From:"
Sent:
rmTlrii £j CIV, OASD-PA
Wednesdav. January 25, 20066:36 AM
To: mtGJ [elV,OASD·PA
Subject: Conference call TODAY
Attachments: Microsoft Photo Editor 3.0 Picture; Henry Bio 1.doc
MEMORANDUM
To: Retired Military Analysts
From: Dallas Lawrence

Director, Community Relations and Public Liaison
Date: January 25, 2005
Re: Conference Call with Senior DoD Officials
We invite you to participate in a conference call, TODAY, January 25, 2006from 4:00 p.rn. to 4:30 p.m.
Principal Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Ryan Henry will brief you on the Quadrennial Defense
Review. His biography is attached for your review.
To participate in this conference call, please dial (b)(2) and ask the operator to
connect you to the Analysts conference call.
Please R.S.V.P. to (b)(6) or call her at (b)(2)
We hope you are able to participate.
Henry Bio l.doc

(121 KB)
~
OSD Public Affairs
rr.\Til1 The Pentagon
Washington, 'D.C. 20301
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Christopher "Ryan" Henry
Principal Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Policy
Ryan Henry was appointed by President Bush, confirmed by the Senate,
and has served as Principal Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Policy since
February 2003. He is an advisor to the Secretary, Deputy Secretary, and Under
Secretary of Defense 'on policy, strategy, transformation, force structure, global
posture, and on the execution of deliberate and contingency plans by combatant
commanders in support of the national objectives. Additionally, he provides
strategy and resource guidance to senior Department officials and represents the
Under Secretary of Defense for Policy in a variety of fora.
Mr. Henry's professional career spans 24 years of military service, including
work in government operations, leading-edge research and development, and policy
analysis. He served as an aviation squadron commander, Congressional staffer,
experimental test pilot, and technologyl'Narfare architect. He graduated from the
U.S. Naval Academy in 1972 and from National Defense University in 1992. He also
eamed advanced degrees in Aeronautical Systems (University of West Florida,
1974), and Systems Management (University of Southern California, 1982).
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Prior to appointment as Principal Deputy, Mr. Henry was Corporate Vice
President for Technology and Business Development at Science Applications
International Corporation (SAIC). Before joining SAIC, Mr. Henry was a Senior
Fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) in Washington,
DC, where he led the Information-based Warfare initiative and seNed as Director of"
the "Conflict in the Digital Age" Project. He also served as ,a Program Manager and
Information Systems Architect for the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
(DARPA).
Mr. Henry co-authored The Information Revolution and International
Security, has written for a variety of periodicals, and provided commentary to
domestic and overseas broadcast news organizations.
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(b)(6)

Sent: Monday, January 23,200610:50 PM
To: 'dansenor@MmGi
SUbject:, Re:
Anytime my friend. Happy to do it. Hope all is well.

Dallas Lawrence
--~--Original Message----
From: Dan Senor
Sent; Mon Jan 23 19:39:41 2006
SUbject:
Hey there,
Thanks again for subbing in for me on the Moldovan event. Heard you were a smash hit.
Really appreciate it.
-Dan
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(b)(6)
- - -- -- - -- - ~-- ----- ---~~- - -
From:· Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA

Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:09 AM
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD·PA
Subject: RE: Don't forget--BG Bill McCoy and Political Context (UNCLASSIFIED)
He spoke to our group on the first day.
Dallas B. bm'1'eIH',e
Uircl'\OI'. Ol't'iet' of COlllll1Ul1il~ llelal.jolls & Pllblic Liaisoll
.
linilnd Stalei' Dellill'lllumi. of 1)1'l'ellsl'
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Sent: Thursday, January 19, 200612:31 PM
To: Popps, Dean Mr ASA(ALT) PD
thanks dean. dallas, can you please· pUll up the sekd for the military analysts trip we took in december. need to confirm
that bg mccoy was one of our briefers. thanks.
From: Popps, Dean SES ASA(ALT) PO [mailto:dean.popps~
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:29 PM
To: Ruff, Eric SES OASD-PA
Subject: Don't forget--BG Bill MCCoy and Political Conteld: (UNCLASSIFIED)
Caveats: NONE
Dean G. Popps
Principal Deputy
Assistant Secretary of the Army IALT)
Director of Iraq Reconstruction and Program Managument
ATTN: SAAL·ZX (RMrmTPJ

103 Army Pentagon
Washington, DC 20310-0103
phone:ra:Wij AU
email: dean.popps~lrJll'::::ln~-.
Caveats: NONE
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-_._-----_......_---------
m,
From:" Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
Sent: Frid Januag 20. 2006 9:42 AM
To: rmtl~
Subject: Re: [UJ RE: request from Mr. Ruff
Thanks colonel!
Dallas Lawrence
From: MWfhi COL MNFI STRATEFF COMMS DIV
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD~PA
Sent: Fri Jan 20 09:37:17 2006
Subject: [UJ RE: request from Mr. Ruff
Dallas - He was on the agenda on Day 1. Col Ford
From; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA [mailto:Dallas.Lawrence@~
To: Ford Dewey G COL MNFI STRATEFF COMMS DIV
Subject: request from Mr. Ruff
Col,
Can you help me to confirm the following request I received from Eric Ruff? We think he
briefed our group on day one of the December trip, and possibly followed MG Zayner.
Thanks
Dallas B. Lawrence
W) • •

dallas, can you please pull up the sekd for the military analysts trip we took in
december. need to confirm that bg mccoy was one of our briefers. thanks.
If this e-mail is marked FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY it may be exempt from mandatory disclosure
under FOIA. 000 5400.7R, "DoD Freedom of Information Act Program", DoD Directive 5230.9,
"Clearance of DoD Information for Public Release", and DoD Instruction 5230.29, :'Security
and policy Rev:iew of DoD Information for Public Release" apply.
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(b)(6)
- - - --
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 20064:38 PM
Will do, any idea who he is with in the army? It would help me track down where he may have briefed us (as he was not
on our official schedule of briefers - Le. he was likely a tier 2 guy in the room if he was there at all)
Dallas B. Lawrence
(, nitNI Stall'S Department of' ·I)c·Jell>;(·
IDti'1t{.1 : Z._.
Din'(" 01'. OfJiee of COJlllllUnil y Helal iom; & Pllh!ie Liai"oll
To: Popps, Dean Mr ASA(ALT) PO
. Subject: RE: Don't forget--BG Bill McCoy and Political Context (UI\ICLASSIFIED)
thanks dean. dallas, can you please pull up the sekd for the military analysts trip we took in december. need to confirm
that bg mccoy was one of our briefers. thanks.
-----Original Message----·
From: Popps, Dean SES ASA(ALT) PD [mailto:dean.popps@fU\lGi
To: Ruff, Eric SES OASD·PA
Subject: Don't forget··BG Bill McCoy and Political Context (UNClASSIFIED)
Caveats: NONE
Dean G. POppS
Principal Deputy
Assistant Secretary of the Army (ALT)
Director of Iraq Reconstruction and Program Management'
ATTN: SAAL-ZxrL1fS_
103 Army Pentagon
Washin.ston, DC 20310-0103
phone:rlM»J RL
email: dean.popps@l'ilrirJl':::'!:t~-.
Caveats: NONE
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Colonel Kenneth Allard:
• This is actually the third election these people have had in the course of this year
and by every account they've made remarkable progress
• Whether you like it or whether you don't, the~e's always that question as to
whether this is going to be one country or three and this election is going to go a
long way in detennining that
• The Iraqis have made remarkable military progress there. They're now in
effective control of a third of the country. There is effective control of about half
of Baghdad itself but I would just tell you that is a very long road.
MSNBC News Live

12/13/2005 10: 19:03 AM
Newscaster: Retired Army Colonel Ken Allardjust returned from Iraq. Welcome back..
Colonel Allard: Thank you. Good morning.
Newscaster: Let me start with the political track. How much is riding on this particular
election? Again, we have to keep in mind this is the last election for four years in Iraq so
obviously it does lay down the groundwork but is it the election or the electoral process
that is most important right now? .
Allard: It's actually both, Randy, because this is actually the third election these people
have had in the course of this year and by every account they've made remarkable
progress. But what happens is that this is the finish line in some sense. What you have to
have right now is a political process engaging the three major factions in Iraq. Sunnis,
Shiites and Kurds and Senator Reid was correct in saying there was no long, democratic
tradition. And so it really is a question, do these people have more to gain by working
effectively with each other or are they going to split apart? Whether you like it or whether
you don't, there's always that question as to whether this is going to be one country or
three and this election is going to go a long way in determining that.
Newscaster: Let me just boil it down to this. Is this election, again, and the process of it
and importance to the people of Iraq, more important, Colonel, that who actually gets
voted into office? While we are watching that very closely because of implications with
Iran and other countries, but what in your view with the people of Iraq tends to be the
most important thing right now?
Allard: That political process is all important. They have got to come to grips with the
fact they probably have got more to gain by working effectively with each other and
there's no democratic tradition in Iraq. Everything that has been put in place has been put
in place pretty recently and it really is kind of remarkable to see them going through this
because that's simply not part of the Iraqi tradition. The way they tend to express descent
in that country is with violence and we see that. The question is whether the other
democratic tradition can come to plant.
Newscaster: Let's talk about security strategy. On the security front, the president has
said that we are working with Iraqi forces to shore up security. We're going into some of
the hot bed insurgent areas. Is it working, colonel?
Allard: I think it is. I mean, I caveat that by saying it's always a very tough fight, always
a long-term fight. The Iraqis have made remarkable military progress there. They're now
in effective control of a third of the country. There is effective control of about half of
Baghdad itself but I would just tell you that is a very long road. It is a tough road
NY TIMES 6750
particularly when you're also fighting a war in the midst of training and equipping a new
army. What was there before was an anned mob.
Newscaster: The administration says it wants to restore Iraq's infrastructure. We're
talking about the basic necessities that Iraqis need there, electricity, water, sewage
facilities, and things like that. How bad is it right now for the folks of Iraq when you're
talking about the bare necessities?
Allard: Randy, it's actually a function of that previous problem. They really have not yet
learned to work effectively together. Electricity, water, sewage, basic services like that,
you've got to do that on the basis of a whole country, not on the basis of a neighborhood
here, a minority over there and that's been a very, very tough sell. What you see is
individual neighborhoods trying to act out on their own. So building a nation is a very
tough problem just by itself and in some sense, the army that I saw over there has simply
had to go back to similar lessons from peace keeping 10 years ago. Simply because of the
fact there is no way to defeat that insurgency than by getting people to work together and
no better way to do that than by pointing out it is the case and infrastructure of cooperate
and graduate. .
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All commentary by the military analysts thus far is positive. Some highlights:
Jeffrey McCauslin:
• The U.S. troops I talked to feel that life is getting better for Iraqis
Steven Greer;
• The three tier strategy (political, economic and security) is working
• The Iraqi security forces are much better than they were six months ago
• The U.S has transferred authority ofa key border town (between Iraq and Syria)
to Iraqi forces and we have disrupted foreign fighters and terrorists coming from
Syria . ,
WCBS - New York

12110/20054:00:47 AM
Reporter: CBS news military analyst Jeffrey McCauslin has been talking with us troops
in Fallujah. McCauslin: I've just been asking the U.S. troops if they believe through
their patrols throughout the city that life in Iraq is getting better. They all uniformly
thought it was getting better all over the country.
Fox News -- Fox and Friends

12112/20058:17:02 AM
Newscaster: As the people in lraq start voting today for people in hospitals and prisons
and military installations, how long will it be from before the forces can take over the
security? Our next guest just got back from Iraq. Newscaster2: Retired Major Steve
Greer joins us now from Washington, D.C. thanks for being with us. Greer; Hey, good
morning. Newscaster2: First, give us an update. Because here in the states, I'm sure you
realize this, there is this big debate over people like Joe Lieberman that just got back are
more accurate about the upbeat picture of what's happening in Iraq or if others are mor~
accurate when they say it's just not going well. What did you find? Greer: Good
morning. Yeah, I would tell you, as a whole, the strategy is working. There is no doubt
that this three tier strategy, of the political, the economic, and the security, is working.
And that is a correct structure. And I would also tell that you the Iraqi security forces are
much better than they weresix months ago in terms of their capability, their commitment
to the progress of their new country and their desire to be part of a team effort. And so
that's the good news. There are some 212,220,000 Iraqi security forces currently.
They're continuing to assume more and more of their battle space which allows our
forces to disengage and eventually to return home. Newscaster: Sergeant, what do you
know about the way we're approaching this election as opposed to the other two? The
other two went pretty well from the security perspective. What are we going to do to
make sure the Sunni areas allow those that want to vote to be able to vote? Greer: Well,
certainly the Anbar Province is a critical area. What we've done recently transferred the
authority of Osaba, the first border town between the Iraq and Syrian border that is the
first critical note. We disrupted the flow of foreign fighters and terrorists coming from
Syria. So that's a key point. The next point here is that I think you're looking at the Sunni
rejectionists, those who are not part of the terrorist network or the foreign fighter
network. Those guys are fence sitters. I think you might see those guys vote in the
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morning and conduct attacks in the afternoon. Their strategy is a duel strategy.
Newscaster: Steve, let's talk about how long it should take to get an anny up and
running. Some critics of the president said, Jook, we train men and women to go into
combat with just three months combat training. And now it's already been two years for
many the Iraqi forces. To some it might seem like their heart just isn't in it. Greer:
Anybody that thinks that doesn't know what they're talking about. I tell you, up front, you
know, we don't train our forces in three months to go into combat. Those guys are
funneled into a unit and the armed forces have had 226 years of experience. And so the
lessons that we learned over such a long time frame are directly impacting the quality of
. training that goes into Iraqi security forces. And I can tell you I was at the military
academy. I was watching the new lieutenants that are becoming lieutenants and about to
go out to the field. And those guys figured this thing out. Newscaster2: All right.
Command Sergeant Steve Greer, thank you very much. Greer: Take care.
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From: CIV, OASD-PA

Sent: Friday, January 13, 200610:54AM
To: Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PA
Cc: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD~PA;mr.5"iI'P.Gi~-·CIV, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
Subject: Ruff wants miltiary analyst transcript posted, routed to reporters
Importance: High
CAPT Merritt:
Yesterday as you know Army MGs Speakes and Sorenson spoke on the record to our military
analysts regarding body armor.
I transcribed the tape.
Mr. Ruff would like the transcript posted to Defenselink and~given to reporters.
He said give the transcript to you when it's finished (we are checking a few minor edits
with Army) to get to the reporters.
Can you help with .that? Also can you tell me who in your shop I can speak to about getting
the transcript posted in the transcript bin?
Thank you,
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Cr and pi is for all of the following:
Tri-West Healthcare Alliance - SO participate in cermeony presenting portraits of MoH recipients - location TBD,
Outreach w/Retired Military Analysts & Civilian Defense Experts -location TBD
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Meet w/National Guard Yough Challenge Group - location TBD
Meet w/USA Basketball Leadership (ASY event) @ POAC
Outreach w/Strategic Communicators
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Subject: FW: PA - Schedule Items from 12 Jan Meeting
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Friday 3 February:
10:45am-1 0:55 - PA Prep
1100-1120 - Tri-West Healthcare Alliance - SD participate in cermeony presenting portraits of MoH recipients
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1:30pm-2: 15 - Outreach w/Retired Military Analysts & Civilian Defense Experts - location TBD
. 8:45am-9:00- PA Prep
9:00am-9:20 - Meet w/National Guard Yough Challenge Group· location TBD
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11:10am·11:20 - PA Prep
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11 :30am-11 :50 - Meet w/USA Basketball Leadership (ASY event) @ POAC
Thursday 16 March:
1:15pm-1:30- PA Prep
1:30pm-2: 15 - Outreach w/Strategaic Communicators
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Sent: ThurSda., January 12, 2006 8:45 AM
To: ramm CIV, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD·PA
SUbject: FW: Military Analyst
stand by for a call with analysts.
thanks
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Subject: Military Analyst
In addition to all the nice work yesterday, I think it is still a good idea to have Sorenson do a
phone call with the Military Analyst. There were a number of critical Op-Ed pieces that popped
up today and I think our analyst -- properly armed -- can push back in that arena.
We can set it all up, just need a time he could do it with a little advance notice to get them all
on the phone.
Thanks,
Bryan
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Sent: Monday, January 09, 20066:26 PM
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Cc: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD~PA
Subject: RE: Another Afghanistan hit
thanks. will try and push this a little.
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To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
Subject: FW: Another Afghanistan hit
thought j'd pass along a little "advice" from one of the military analysts...
,nks
From: robertmag73@OOffi [mailto:robertmag73@~

To:tlftTlit
SUbject: Another Afghanistan hit
last week, I called your attention to a Washington Post article about Afghanistan. The following
Weekly Standard piece picks-up where that Post article left off. Both question our intentions. We
ought to make it clear that a NATO run ISAF no matter the level of the insurgency is our goal, if in
fact that's the truth,
Bob
Dutch Retreat?
The Perils of Turning Afghanistan over to NATO
By Vance Serchuk
Posted: Monday, January 9, 2006
ARTiCLES
The Weekly Standard
Publication Date: January 16,2006
While American politicians spent the last months of 2005 arguing over the U.S. military presence in
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Iraq, their counterparts in the Netherlands were debating the future of the Dutch contingent in
Afghanistan. At issue is The Hague's pledge to deploy slightly over 1,000 Dutch troops to the restive
Uruzgan province when NATO assumes responsibility for southern Afghanistan this summer. The
Netherlands' skittishness makes for an important cautionary tale not only about the near-farcical
indecision of a European ally in the war on terror, but more important, the risks inherent in
outsourcing ever-greater responsibility for Afghanistan to NATO, as the Bush administration evidently
hopes to do. .
The debacle with the Dutch began this fall, when the country's military intelligence service produced
a report describing the treacherous conditions in Uruzgan and predicting casualties if the
Netherlands dispatched forces there. Opposition parliamentarians began to rail against the
mission, buoyed by pUblic opinion; one poll found a whopping 11 percent of Netherlanders
opposed to it.
Rather than confront and puncture these doubts, the tripartite coalition government in The Hague
chose to drag its feet. Despite reassurances from the United States and NATO that Dutch soldiers
would receive swift reinforcements if they came under fire, the cabinet further delayed making
any decision, until at last endorsing the deployment just before Christmas--but on the condition of
parliamentary approval. Artfully describing its move as an "intention" rather than a "decision," the
Dutch government thus passed the buck once again until February, when the parliament should
render final judgment.
Meanwhile, the Netherlands' waffling has snarled the defense planning of its allies. British and
Canadian· troops are slated to comprise the bulk of the NATO deployment in southern
Afghanistan, yet neither government can know the precise number or type of forces it should send
until The Hague makes up its mind. Likewise, the Australians--who were counting on Dutch
logistical support to help them stand up a 200-man Provincial Reconstruction Team in
southern Afghanistan this spring--are left in limbo. From Canberra to Ottawa, the sound of teeth
grinding is audible.
But the irresponsibility of the Dutch is not even half the story. The bigger question is, Why has the
Bush administration embraced a military strategy for southern Afghanistan that is so dependant on
fickle partners? The current mess is a predictable consequence of the Pentagon's determination
to have NATO assume more responsibility in Afghanistan and as fast as possible. And it's a
portent of even bigger problems to come.
It has long been an article of faith among foreign policy cognoscenti that the Atlantic alliance should
be doing more in Afghanistan. Under U.S. pressure, NATO has twice enlarged its area of
operations since taking command of the U.N.-sanctioned International Security Assistance
Force (ISAF) in the summer of 2003: first moving from Kabul into northern Afghanistan later
that year, then expanding westward in June 2005. The swing into southern Afghanistan has been
presented as the next logical step in this process.
But it isn't logical at all. NATO's presence in Afghanistan was originally premised on the idea
that large swaths of the country were stabilizing--in need of the peacekeeping and post-conflict
reconstruction that European militaries could deliver, but less and less a war zone. But this
assumption simply does not hold for the south. There, the Taliban and al Qaeda continue to wage
what American forces describe as an increasingly sophisticated and vicious insurgency,
making 2005 the deadliest year for U.S. forces in Afghanistan since the post-9/11 invasion.
The higher casualties also reflect the decision by American forces to push into what were, until
recently, Taliban sanctuaries--remote mountain redoubts in northern Helmand, Kandahar,
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Zabul, and Uruzgan provinces. The result has been extraordinarily intense close-quarter combat
with insurgents. An American company commander in Qalat estimated in october that upwards of
75 percent of his unit's contacts with the enemy have been within hand-grenade range.
Will NATO forces continue to press as aggressively into these areas, even if it means that they will
lose more men (which it almost certainly does)? The Canadian troops already on the ground in
Kandahar, to their credit, have made clear their intention to follow the Americans' example.
But the commander of the Canadian force has also bluntly acknowledged "a sap. both in
technical capability, and size and capacity" between U.S. and NATO forces.
The insurgents, for their part, will certainly look to exploit fault lines within NATO, targeting members
of the alliance with an eye toward fracturing public support back home. So all that feet-shuffling in the
Netherlands could, in effect, paint a big target on the back of Dutch soldiers, should they deploy.
Likewise, it remains to be seen just how stalwart public opinion in Britain and Canada will be. Military
intelligence has evidently warned London to be prepared for the heaviest casualties since the
Falklands.
Then there are problems of coordination and sustainability. Will the different national contingents in
southern Afghanistan work effectively with each other? And how will they work with the U.S. Special
Forces who will remain in theater? Will NATO forces be able to manage the same kind of complex
land-air maneuvers that have proven so useful in drawing out and eliminating Taliban fighters? Also,
because command of the international force changes every six months, the quality and
performance of its headquarters has a marked tendency to vary; contrast the cautious and
bureaucracy-laden approach taken by Eurocorps, for instance, with the professional and assertive
conduct of the Turkish military. The British are set to take command in Kabul for NATO's first
rotation through the south later this year--no doubt a good thing--but what happens on the
second, third, and fourth rotations?
Oddly enough, it may prove extremely difficult for NATO to "fail" in southern Afghanistan during its
first six months there. Expectations are so low at this point that anything less than a spectacular
collapse will probably be seized by Brussels, the Pentagon, and all other interested parties as proof
of success.
But this misses the point. Not so long ago, the Bush administration insisted that the mission should
determine the coalition, not the other way around. Does it really make sense to hand southern
Afghanistan to a coalition of British, Canadian, and Dutch forces under the NATO flag while
the counterinsurgency is in full swing? Putting aside why it might not be a mistake, what
exactly makes it necessary?
In truth, NATO's expansion into southern Afghanistan isn't being driven by conditions on the ground
or by what makes sense for winning the war there. Rather, it is a function of the Pentagon's
misplaced desire to reduce its commitments in the Middle East and bludgeon some defense
reform out of Brussels in the process.
The Bush administration furiously denies that NATO expansion should be seen as an
American exit strategy, but this denial would seem more credible if the Pentagon didn't then
explicitly link its 2,500-man drawdown in Afghanistan to the alliance's growing presence there. The
danger here goes well beyond the narrow question of manpower. To a much greater degree than the
Bush administration seems to appreciate, success in Afghanistan depends on a good-as-gold, long
term security guarantee from the United States. The survival of the Taliban, in turn, is contingent
on a belief that the insurgents will outlast the Americans; that, sooner or later, Washington will
tire of a grinding guerrilla war and go home.
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The United States needs to leave no doubt that its military will continue fighting in Afghanistan as
long a~ the democratically elected government in Kabul needs help. For the same reason,
irrespective of whether a diminution in the number of American soldiers is operationally doable, the
Pentagon would have been wise to skip the press release and implement its drawdown quietly.
Simply put, there was no strategic advantage to be gained in announcing to the world that there will
be fewer U.S. forces in Afghanistan this year.
Afghanistan's leaders certainly understand this. Senior officials in Kabul, tribal elders in the south,
and newly elected legislators have all expressed concern about the troop reductions. "I would not
like them to leave," Mullah Naquibullah, a tribal leader in Kandahar, told the New York Times
last month.
The White House should pay heed. In the months ahead, the Bush administration needs to make
clear that it still takes its bilateral security relationship with Afghanistan seriously. It can do this
by returning to, and reinvigorating, the U.S.-Afghan strategic partnership that Presidents Bush and
Karzai signed eight months ago, as well as holding off on any talk about NATO expansion into
eastern Afghanistan--at least until the alliance has proven itself in the south. President Bush should
also take advantage of his upcoming trip to South Asia to visit Kabul and reaffirm America's long
term commitment there.
Above all, however, the Bush administration needs to stop thinking about Afghanistan as a burden to
be shrugged off. Washington will be on the right track when it starts doing a little more listening to its
friends in Kabul--and a little less worrying about whether the Netherlands is coming along for the ride.
Vance Serchuk is a research fellow at Aft.
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From: . Jed Babbin@li\fId

Sent: Monday, December 26,20057:38 AM
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• Mucho thanks. Would love to get one of the big dogs. I'll stand by. Best, Jed.
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Subject: Media coverage of the SecDefs trip by the traveling press
Attachments: SecDeffrip./raqJordan.12.23.doc
Attached please find an overview of the Iraq and Jordan portions of the Secretary's trip. Included is coverage from
the traveling press, as well as general media coverage on the Secretary's troop adjustment announcement.
Note: due to the nature of the coverage, this is a lengthy report. We have included several TV clips from today
discussing the troop adjustment - a few of which include interviews with military analysts.
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rrTie Secretary's rtrip: IrOiiJ Jortfan

(j)ecem6er 22 - 23
Secretary Rumsfeld and Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim al

Secretary Rumsfeld is surrounded by soldiers after a Town
Jaafari arrive for a news conference in

Hall meeting in Fallujah, Iraq, December 23,2005
Baghdad, Iraq, Friday, Dec. 23, 2005
(REUTERS/Jim Young)
(AP Photo/Jim Young, Pool)
The traveling press includes:
Bret Baier, Fox News Channel Jerome Bernard, AFP

Bob Burns, AP John Hendren, NPR
Grigory Khananayev, Fox News Channel Steve Shelton, Fox News
Lesley Wroughton, Reuters James Young, Reuters Photo
Maya Zumwalt, Fox News Channel
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Print/Online highlights:
Traveling press overview:
AFP, AP and Reuters all reported on the Secretary's troop drawdown announcement,
which was the focus of most reports from the traveling press on Friday. The language
used in the reporting included "withdrawal," "cutback," "pullback" and "drawdown"
without using the Secretary's language of "adjustment."
The outlets reported on the Secretary's announcement of the troop drawdown in the
context of other Iraqi-related news, specifically, the protests denouncing the "fraudulent"
Iraqi elections and the UN's announcement that it will not conduct an independent review
of the election results. The violence that continues in Iraq was also a key focus in
coverage of the troop drawdown announcement.
General coverage of the troop reduction announcement:
As part of coverage from the traveling press and in qther media outlets, there was little
unique commentary on the general announcement, as most stories simply summarized the
Secretary's comments and details included in the Pentagon's statement.
However, later in the day, AFP, AP and other outlets reported on positive reaction from
Sen. Democratic leader Harry Reid, a sense of disappointment from Congressman
Murtha and comments from House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi. Some outlets,
including Reuters, highlighted the Secretary's announcement of a drawdown in the
context of the day's violence that killed 10 Iraqi soldiers and wounded 20. While the
media did not state as such, there was a hint of contradiction implied in the two events
as one Reuters headline read: "Iraqi Troops Killed, Rumsfeld Signals Pullback."
Traveling Press Coverage:

AFP:
~ Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid was "pleased" to hear about the drawdown
~ Congressman John Murtha said the announcement "fell short of his expectations"
o "That's not what I had in mind," he said in a statement. "Our logistics
convoys remain vulnerable and the US troops remain the targets."
~ House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.: Hopes the reduction "will quickly
be followed by others that will result in all U.S. combat forces being redeployed
from Iraq next year,"
Reuters:
~ "Guerrillas stormed an Iraqi army post on Friday, killing 10 soldiers and
wounding 20, as Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told U.S. combat troops
their numbers would fall as Iraqi forces were trained to take over."
AFP
Fallujah:
~ SecDef troop drawdown announcement
o Remarks came the day after British Prime Minister Tony Blair, also'
visiting Iraq, suggested a British troop withdrawal next year. While no
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timetable was given, British tabloid The Sun alleged the drawdown would
start in May '06, while the London Times said 1,000 troops had already
been withdrawn
o SecDef lauded progress and high voter turnout in Fallujah
o Supposed to meet with Iraqi leaders Friday about the new government,
which will be "difficult," especially with the recent protests about the
"fraudulent" elections
AP
Fallujah:
~ SecDeftroop drawdown announcement: n<;> details on exact size of cut or
timetable - but indications are that a series of significant cuts could come in 2006,
possibly before the November midterm elections
Jordan:
~ SecDef traveled to Amman to visit a military training center outside the Jordanian
capital to see Jordanian special operations soldiers in a mock assault on a
building, using live ~mmunition. He also told a group of soldiers undergoing
training that their work is key in the eventual withdrawal of U.S. troops
Afghanistan:
~ Although military officials said they were making gains toward curbing violence
against U.S. forces and Taliban resistance, some officers said the hostile forces
were making some gains through improved training and organization, and more
advanced weaponry, such as armor-piercing munitions
REUTERS
Fallujah:
~ SecDef troop drawdown announcement: Number of troops to be cut, more will be
involved in training the Iraqi military
o Reasons for drawdown are based on progress with Iraqi elections,
economics and security
o Iraq still faces the threat of violence and other challenges
o The Administration has been pressured by Democrats for withdrawal'
details
o Gen. Casey: U.S. forces will now use a baseline of 130,000, down from
138,000. He also said that/ while the plan is to scale back troop numbers,
we will increase them again if necessary
Baghdad:
> After a meeting with Iraqi President Jalal Talabani and Prime Minister Ibrahim al
Jaafari, Jaafari applauded the troop cutbacks, as it shows the "growing capabilities
and confidence of Iraqi security forces."
Broadcast/Radio Highlights:
TVlRadio Coverage: Traveling Press
~ Troop reduction characterized as "an early Christmas gift" from Defense
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
o Reductions will be about 7000 troops-move from 17 to 15 brigades
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o Secretary expects reductions to continue

~ Traveled to Jordan to review Iraqi special operation forces train-"pretty
impressive"
~ In his discussions with Iraqi officials, the Secretary is pushing for an inclusive,
competent and centrist government.
~ Discuss General Casey's comments about "fewer U.S. troops are better in Iraq"
in comparison with Congressman Murtha's position.
o Mentions that General Casey qualified his statement by linking his
comments to the capabilities of Iraqi troops and the need to avoid creating
a dependency on their part to U.S. forces.
TVlRadio coverage: general coverage ofthe troop reduction announcement

~ Reduction discussed in terms of two separate groups of troops
o 20,000 troops in Iraq for election security
o 7,500 troops from two brigades
~ Reductions characterized as a "Christmas present" to the troops
~ Troop reductions continue to be based on ground conditions
~ Troop reductions do not affect troops in Iraq right now
~ Expect to see lot more reductions in the New Year
~ Readiness of Iraqi troops questioned-troop reduction story linked to news about
gunmen attacking a Iraqi base
o "They're able to get past the defenses, kill 10 Iraqi soldiers and wound 20
others. There will be some concern about the readiness level of trained
Iraqi troops if this sort of thing can happen" (Fox)
~ Dangers faced by U.S. soldier's linked to the reduction announcement
o "For the soldiers who remain in Iraq right now they are still very much in
harm's way. Two U.S. soldiers are dead after an explosion in Baghdad"
(Headline News)
~ More troops in certain specialties to assist Iraqi forces, less troops as "grunts on
the ground" (CNN)
o Shift focus to training and supporting Iraqi security force
~ Drawdown will be "metered, very, very disciplined" (CNN)
~ Brigade in Kuwait will not deploy to Iraq but the "first armored brigade of the
first infantry division will actuaIJy be sending an awful lot of soldiers" (Fox)
~ Discussed the difference between withdraw and drawdown (Fox)
~ Questioned whether reductions announcement is due to pressure from Congress
(Fox)
~ Iraqis welcoming troop reductions with caution while Iraqi officials say that troop
drawdown does mean a "loss in security" but a sign of the strengthening of the
Iraqi security forces.
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PRINT/ONLINE EXCERPTS - THE TRAVELING PRESS
AFP - JEROME BERNARD
Rumsfeld announces further Irllg troop withdrawal

US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld announced Friday that the United States would
withdraw two combat brigades, totalling between 5,000 and 9,000 soldiers, from Iraq by
next spring.
That would bring the number of US troops under the level of 138,000 for the first time
since April 2004, a year after US-led forces first invaded the country.
His remarks came just a day after British Prime Minister Tony Blair raised the prospects
of beginning a British troop pulldown next year...
The prime minister refused to be drawn on a timetable, but Friday's first edition of British
tabloid The Sun said the process would begin in May. London's The Times claimed 1,000
troops had already been pulled back from frontline duties as the first stage of
withdrawal. ..
Speaking of Fallujah, Rumsfeld praised progress made there, saying it has "some of the
highest voter registration and tum-out rates in the country and has increasingly capable
and confident Iraqi security forces in the streets helping to maintain order and to hunt
down terrorists" ...
Rumsfeld was also expected to meet with Iraqi leaders on Friday to discuss the ongoing
political process and the formation of a new government. ..
The likely difficulty of forming a new government was highlighted on Thursday, when
35 Iraqi political groups, including secular Shiites and Sunni Arabs, rejected early
election results ...
Rumsfeld also expected that time was needed to crush the insurgency in Iraq ...
Speaking to around 200 US soldiers at Camp Victory shortly after his arrival and
following meetings with US Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad and US force commander
General George Casey, Rumsfeld praised the forces for their contributions.
"The economic progress that has taken place in this country has moved forward as well
and certainly the military progress is impressive," he said.
The 1100 GMT news advison;
US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld announces that the United States will withdraw
two combat brigades, totaling between 5,000 and 9,000 soldiers, from Iraq by next
spring.
AP - ROBERT BURNS
Rumsfeld Announces Iraq Troop Cutbacks - December 23

... Reprinted by at least ISO online outlets
Just days after Iraq's elections, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld on Friday
announced the first of what is likely to be a series of U.S. combat troop drawdowns in
Iraq in 2006. Rurnsfeld, addressing U.S. troops at this fonner insurgent stronghold, said
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President Bush has authorized new cuts below the 138,000 level that has prevailed for
most of this year...
Bush, Rumsfeld and other administration officials have said a withdrawal would begin
when the U.S.-trained Iraqi security forces show sufficient signs of being able to defend
the country against insurgents.
U.N. says it won't review elections; eight Iraqis killed at army checkpoint
December 23,6:20 AM EST
* Robert Bums contributed to this report
Sunni Arab and secular Shiite factions demanded that an international body review
complaints about voting fraud in last week's elections and threatened to boycott the new
legislature. But the United Nations rejected the idea.
"The U.N. is not going to conduct an independent review of the election results," U.N.
associate spokesman Robert Sullivan said in New York.
In violence Friday, gunmen attacked an Iraqi army checkpoint in Adhaim, 60 kilometers
(35 miles) north ofBaqouba, killing eight soldiers and wounding seventeen, an Iraqi
army officer said on condition he not be identified for fear of reprisal attacks. Earlier this
month 19 Iraqi soldiers were killed in an ambush in Adhaim.
A suicide bomber detonated his explosives belt outside of a Shiite mosque in Balad Ruz,
75 kilometers (45 miles) northeast of Baghdad, killing four others and wounding eight,
the Diyala police said. Among the dead was a policeman guarding the mosque.
U.S. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld on Friday said President Bush had
authorized new cuts in U.S. combat troops in Iraq, below the 138,000 level that prevailed
for most of this year. Rumsfeld did not reveal the exact size of the troop cut, but
Pentagon officials have said it could be as much as 7,000 combat troops.
Iraqis March, Say Elections Were Rigged - December 23

* Robert Bums contributed to this report
Large demonstrations broke out across the country Friday to denounce parliamentary
elections that protesters say were rigged in favor of the main religious Shiite coalition.
Meanwhile, two Arab satellite television channels said that a Sudanese diplomat and five
of his countrymen had been kidnapped in Iraq, and a Sudan Foreign Ministry spokesman
appealed for their release ...
Also Friday, a lawyer for Saddam Hussein said he saw evidence that his client had been
beaten...
In Balad Ruz, 45 miles northeast of Baghdad, a suicide bomber detonated his explosives
belt outside a Shiite mosque, killing four people and wounding eight, Diyala police said.
Among the dead was a policeman guarding the mosque.
Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Friday that President Bush had authorized
new cuts in U.S. combat troops in Iraq, below the 138,000 level that prevailed for most of
this year. Rumsfeld did not reveal the exact size of the troop cut, but Pentagon officials
have said as many as 7,000 combat troops could be leaving.
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Rumsfeld signals Iraq force reduction. Up to 7,000 would be cut by spring

December 23
The United States soon will trim its military force in Iraq to below 138,000 troops, the"
level it has considered its core force this year, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld
and other U.S. officials hinted yesterday.
The cuts, probably in the 5,000 to 7,000 range, would be achieved by canceling the
planned deployment to Iraq of two Anny brigades and could be announced as early as
today, officials said.
The reduction would bring the troop level in the insurgency-tom country to just above
130,000 sometime in the spring, said one U.S. Defense Department official who spoke on
condition of anonymity because an announcement was not yet finalized.
President Bush is under growing pressure from two fronts to pare back the American
force in Iraq: the Republican-run Congress and a public increasingly disenchanted with
the war and its growing casualties, which have surpassed 2,100 U.S. war dead and 15,000
wounded.
Bush Cutting U.S. Troops Levels in Iraq - December 23

Two army brigades that had been scheduled for combat tours - one from Fort Riley, Kan.,
the other now in Kuwait - will no longer deploy to Iraq. That will reduce the number of
combat brigades in Iraq from 17 to 15.
"The effect of these adjustments will reduce forces in Iraq by the spring of2006 below
the current high of 160,000 during the (Iraqi) election period to below the 138,000
baseline that had existed before the most recent elections," Rumsfeld said.
Rumsfeld aides said details were to be provided later at the Pentagon.
Further reductions will be considered "at some point in 2006," after the new Iraqi
government is in place and is prepared to discuss the future U.S. military presence, said
Rumsfeld.
During Rumsfeld's stop in Afghanistan, military officials said they were making good
progress toward eliminating the Taliban resistance and al-Qaida terrorists who continue
sporadical violence against U.S. troops. But some officers said the hostile forces were
making some gains by acquiring more advanced weaponry, such as annor-piercing
munitions, and improving their training and organization.
REUTERS - LESLEY WROUGHTON
Combat troops to be scaled back: Rumsfeld - December 23,3:20 PM

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said on Friday the number of U.S. combat forces in
Iraq would be cut by some 7,000 by early next year, but the numbers involved in training
Iraq's new military would increase.
Army General George Casey, the U.S. commander in Iraq, later told reporters that the
U.S. force would be reduced to a new baseline of about 130,000 from the current
standard level of 138,000...
Casey said he did not have a: target for troop withdrawals by the end of next year, but
added that a further reduction was likely in the spring when he reviews the situation
again.
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"This is going to be a measured and gradual process that will play out over the next year
or two," he said, adding that the cut back was part of broader strategy to gradually hand
over security powers to the Iraqi military.
"It's a step on the way to total independence for Iraqi security forces which will be some
time down the road," he said.
Casey said while the plan was to reduce troops he was also prepared to increase numbers
again if needed ...
He later returned to Baghdad for a meeting with Iraqi President Jalal Talabani and Prime
Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari. Jaafari welcomed the U.S. decision on troop cutbacks,
saying it demonstrated the "growing capabilities and confidenc~ ofIraqi security forces."
Rumsfeld eyes US pullback in Iraq - December 23, 11 :07 AM
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said on Friday the number of U.S. combat troops in
Iraq would be cut by some 7,000 by early next year, but the number involved in training
Iraq's new military would increase.
Rumsfeld, the second senior U.S. official to visit Iraq this week in the wake of last week's
election, said progress in Iraq's politics, economics and security lay behind the decision to
scale back the combat troops ...
The Pentagon said in a statement: "The effect of these adjustments will likely reduce the
forces in Iraq by the Spring of 2006 below the 138,000 baseline," the current normal level
of U.S. troop strength in Iraq ...
He cautioned that Iraq still faced enormous security challenges...
After leaving Falluja by helicopter, Rumsfeld boarded a cargo plane for Amman to see
the training of Iraqi forces at a Jordanian special operations center...
He later r~turned to Baghdad for a meeting with Iraqi President Jalal Talabani.
. Rumsfeld says to scale back combat forces in Iraq - December 23,3:33 AM

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said on Friday U.S. combat forces in Iraq would be
reduced by two brigades by early next year, but troops involved in training Iraq's new
military would be increased ... He did not give the exact number of troops but a brigade
normally consists of between 4,000 and 5,000 soldiers ...
Democrats have been pressuring the Bush administration to layout plans for a
withdrawal.
BROADCAST EXCERPTS
THE TRAVELING PRESS
FOX NEWS - BRET BAIER
Fox News ~- Fox News Live - December 23

(12:32 PM)
Bill Hemmer: Back to Iraq quickly now where a cautious realignment plan is taking
shape on the ground there. Donald Rumsfeld announcing the first of what should be a
series of U.S. troop drawdowns. Brett Baier traveling with the Defense Secretary joins
me live back on the phone in Baghdad with the news of the day. Bret?
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Brett Baier: Hey Bill. We started out in Fallujah where Defense Secretary Donald
Rumsfeld made that announcement going from 17 combat brigades to 15. He laid it out
in speech to about 400 Marines at Camp Fallujah, of course, the site of one of the most
famous battles of this war. Now the people there, the commanders there, say it's relatively
quiet in Fallujah and they are counting the success they had in getting people to the polls
on the election. Secretary Rumsfeld then traveled to Jordan and saw -- we saw some
special operations training at a Jordan -- Jordanian facility where they're training Iraqi
special ops troops. Pretty impressive, the Secretary going into a live fire exercise, real
bullets, just fired a few feet from him as they kicked down doors and went through room
to room and also showed him an exercise where they took down a bus and rescued a
hostage. Pretty impressive, these elite groups, only about 400 that have come out of this
school but goes shows what they're trying to head to get these troops up and running.
Bill Hemmer: General George Casey also made some comments today talking about
fewer forces in Iraq, fewer U.S. forces is better and also saying that more troops fuel the
insurgents. Does that start to sound little bit like what John Murtha has been saying in
this country?
Brett Baier: It's interesting you say that. There are a couple of us who listened to General
Casey's remarks and thought that right off the bat, that fewer is better. And it sounded a
lot like that. However, he then added that it is better as long as they are capable, the Iraqi
security forces, that is, of taking the reins. So he qualified it a bit but he did make the
statement, fewer U.S. troops are better in Iraq, he feels, because it doesn't fuel the
insurgency and doesn't create an dependency that Iraq expects the U.S. troops to do the
stuff they need to be doing
Fox News -- Fox News Live - December 23

(10:47 AM)
Page Hopkins: This is a Fox News alert. We're getting new information on troop levels
coming out of Iraq from General Casey. Our Bret Baier is traveling with secretary
Rumsfeld. He's on the phone. Bret, what can you tell us?
Bret Baier: Page, we just wrapped up a briefing with General Casey and got some real
specific details about this drawdown that's happening, that Secretary Rumsfeld
announced today. He said the total number is actually 7,000 U.S. troops with these two
brigades. One will be stationed in Kuwait as a quick reaction force but they won't be
deployed into Iraq. The other will stay home in the U.S. he also said more reductions are
expected as conditions improve, the Iraqi government gets set and he said the earliest he
will make that decision is by the spring. But he says the way the trend lines are going he
expects reductions to continue. He did not say he had a goal in mind by the end of the
year but he says he's going to analyze it periodically.
Page Hopkins: Ok, Bret Baier, thank you so much. Again, getting word now that the
total number is 7,000 U.S. troops. This is part of the troop drawdown we've been hearing
about today. Bret Baier is traveling with Secretary Rumsfeld. These are two brigades that
will not be deployed to Iraq that would be 7,000 combat troops who will not be going
into Iraq. One brigade will stay in the U.S. and one b will stay in Kuwait. That was our
BrefBaier traveling with the secretary. We'·ll continue to follow this good story coming
out of Iraq.
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Fox News -- Fox and Friends - December 23

(7:32 AM)
Brian Kilmeade:Bret Baier has made the heroic effort to travel with the Secretary of
Defense, he promised Qonald Rumsfeld he would go with him and Donald Rumsfeld
held him to it. Bret Baier you're on the phone in Iraq, what's happening, Bret?
Bret Baier: I promised I would go and here I am. We are waiting outside President
Talabani's office. Secretary Rumsfeld is in a meeting right now, expected to come out
pretty soon. It's been a long day. We started this morning in Fallujah where Secretary
Rumsfeld met with about 400 Marines down there. He talked to them for about 30
minutes in a prepared speech in which he announced officially that two combat brigades
were going to be held back, essentially not rotated into Iraq. It's the first official
announcement that the U.S. is going to drop below that 138,000 baseline we've heard and
he said the reason its happening is because Iraqi security forces are getting better and
taking over more territory. From there we want to Amman, Jordan, saw Iraqi special
operation forces training and now we're back in Baghdad and it's raining. I'm getting
wet. So maybe Steve, you can ask for an umbrella and I'll get one of those.
Brian Kilmeade: Hey Bret, overall is there any feeling about the election results that's
getting American officials and maybe this current Iraqi administration nervous?
Bret Baier: You know, not really nervous, Brian. There's more positive feelings about
the election not causing a lot of violence. They still see the number of attacks really
dropping. As far as who's winning and the percentages for the Shiite alliance, etc., that's
really one of the reasons Rumsfeld is stopping the push and talking to both Talabani and
Prime Minister al Jaafari, because he's going to try to push for this inclusive, competent
and centrist government. There is a concern that it could go the other way.
Steve Doocy: Bret Baier live on the phone, we thank you very much. Have a merry
Christmas.
NPR - December 23
(5:01 AM)
Paul Brown: From NPR news in Washington, I'm Paul Brown. Defense Secretary
Donald Rumsfeld told a group of cheering Marines in Fallujah today that he's cutting the
number of American troops in Iraq by five thousand. NPR's John Hendren is traveling
with the secretary and has this report
John Hendren: The Pentagon had already announced it would reduce troop numbers
from election season high of 160,000 the new cuts bring the level below the usual
baseline level of 138,000 troops that will allow two Army brigades to stand down.
Defense sources say those units are one brigade from the first infantry division based in
Fort Riley, Kansas and another brigade from the first armored division. That unit is based
in Germany but is already in Kuwait. Soldiers thought they were on the way to Iraq.
Rumsfeld said the move was made possible by economic and security improvements and
by political progress foHowing this month's historic parliamentary elections. The move
was recommended by U.S. Central Command Chief General John Abizaid and by
General George Casey the top commander in Iraq. John Hendren traveling with the
Defense Secretary in Fallujah.
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GENERAL PRINT/ONLINE EXCERPTS ON TROOP DRAWDOWN
Democrats maintain call for Iraq withdrawal timetable

(AFP) - December 23, 12:30 PM
Two Democratic lawmakers welcomed the US administration's announcement that about
7,000 US troops will be pulled from Iraq but maintained demands for a timetable for full
troop withdrawal.
"I am pleased to hear that some American families will be reunited with their brave sons,
daughters, fathers and mothers in the coming weeks as the Bush administration brings
troops home from Iraq after nearly three years of war," Senate Democratic leader Harry
Reid said in a statement.
"It is good news during this holiday season for these families and all Americans, and I
would hope that the full regiment of additional forces that had been mobilized to support
the Iraqi elections could soon begin to come home."
Reid said he hoped President George W. Bush will "level with the American people and
inform us of what conditions on the ground must be met in order for more families to be
reunited with their loved ones".
Congressman John Murtha, a decorated Vietnam War veteran who shook the
establishment recently by calling for a full troop withdrawal from Iraq, said Friday's
announcement fell short of his expectations.
"That's not what I had in mind," he said in a statement. "Our logistics convoys remain
vulnerable and the US troops remain the targets.
"Our presence in Iraq continues to unify the insurgents against the US forces," he added.
"We have to give the Iraqis a timetable to take charge of their own destiny."
US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld earlier announced that the United States would
withdraw two combat brigades from Iraq in coming months. The Defense Department
said US forces in Iraq would fall by about 7,000.
Al-Oaeda claims deadly Iraq attack - December 23

Guerrillas stormed an Iraqi army post on Friday, killing 10 soldiers and wounding 20, as
Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told U.S. combat troops their numbers would fall as
Iraqi forces were trained to take over.
While Rumsfeld made a pre-Christmas visit to a Marine base in the former rebel
stronghold of Falluja, west of Baghdad, gunmen launched a dawn assault on the roadside
outpost near Adhaim, north of the capital, that lasted all morning.
Al Qaeda in Iraq claimed responsibility for the attack.
GENERAL BROADCAST EXCERPTS ON TROOP DRAWDOWN
Fox News -- DaySide - December 23

(1 :07 PM)
Juliet Huddy: The Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has an early Christmas gift
for some soldiers in Iraq who may get to come home earlier than expected.
Steve Doocy: And Secretary Rumsfeld announced the Pentagon will begin to withdraw
thousands of troops next year so how significant is this? Fox news military analyst Lt.
Colonel Bill Cowan joins us live. Howdy Colonel ... Colonel, it sounds like two
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battalions will be two battalions lighter sometime next year. It is not a troop withdrawal,
it's a drawdown. What's the difference?
Lt. Colonel Bill Cowan: Well actually its two brigades, Steve. We upped the troop
strength in Iraq by about 20,000 to make our way through the elections and all we're
doing now is continue to bring troops out and rotate them. We've elected not to send
some other troops back in to replace those coming out so we're drawing down on the
number offorces over there. We're getting to reasonable numbers. It all shows progress
on the part of the Iraqis and that's what we want.
Juliet Huddy: here is the concern that a lot offolks have of the security forces there, the
Iraqis being trained, what does this do to that?
Cowan: There are a lot of good stories about how the Iraqis are coming along. I think we
all agree we got off to a late start in trying to stand up the Iraqi security forces, but by all
accounts they've been doing well and in fact as you knew over the fall here we've had a
number of battles out in al Anbar out toward the Syrian border and Iraqis were right at
the front of many of those battles where U.S. forces had been at the front. The Iraqis that
stood there and fought did a really good job. We continue to push the training programs,
but more importantly get some of the Iraqi units out there so they can actually get in the
battle and develop confidence in their capabilities. All that leads to U.S. doing exactly
what we want to do all along and that is start drawing down of U.S. forces ...
Steve: Hey, Bill, let me ask you this. Do you think that there are democratic members of
Congress who are patting themselves on the back, thinking, you know, it was our
pressure on the President to have him draw these troops down?
Cowan: Great question Steve. You bet there is going to be guys over there thinking that.
I honesty believe I always say things the way I think I see them. Here in D.C. I really
believe that this has all been part of the Pentagon strategy. I don't think that the President
or the Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld crumbled to any pressure whatsoever from
anybody. They have a plan and are sticking with that plan. You know we'd all like to get
our forces out of there as soon as we can but that's not a plan that's going to take us on to
victory. So some guys are patting themselves on the back. Democrats over here behind
me but the reality is that this is the plan and we're sticking to it.
(Question from audience); Colonel, we have been training Iraqi troops now for a
couple of years and we're all used to seeing single file columns of American soldiers
walking up and down the Iraqi streets. Are we now starting to see Iraqi soldiers walking
up and down the streets instead of the American soldiers?
Cowan: That's a really good question and that goes back to what I was saying a few
minutes ago those battles we have been fighting out in al Anbar, we've being going into
towns--you will probably recall over the course last year, year and a half, we went into a
lot of towns out there. Fallujah of course being the first, RllIlladi, Tal Afar... right out
there on the border all of these places, those were typically U.S. operations, U.S forces
went in Iraqi forces were way off in the background. We did what we had to do or
wanted to do. We left and the insurgents came back in. And really these operations have
been going on since October, starting out in Tal Afar those were Iraqi forces that went
right into those towns. The U.S. guys were backing them up. We were not the ones out
there in the front. The Iraqi guys did a great job. And then when those battles were over
as you probably know. Iraqis stayed behind which is not something that we have done in
the past.
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(12:44:21 PM)
Bill Hemmer: The U.S. military is giving Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld a
warm welcome. How are the Iraqis though feeling about the news just announced about
a planned V.S. reduction in the military operations there? Greg Palkot taking the pulse,
live in Baghdad again today Hey Greg what are they saying?
Greg Palkot: Hey, Bill. They're welcoming it with caution, but it's certainly welcome
news for Iraqis. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld is detailing this news amid a
whirlwind of travel. He first visited V.S. troops in that fonner terror hot spot of Fallujah,
then traveling outside of the country just across the border to Jordan to watch the training
up of Iraqi special forces and back here just across the river from where I am in the
international zone to meet with the leadership of the current interim government here.
Prime Minister al-Jaafari is in fact saying that the troop drawdown talk was a sign of the
strengthening of the Iraqi security forces, but also significantly does not mean a loss in
security. A sign of exactly what the Iraqi forces are dealing with, a suicide bomber
detonating explosives by a Shiite mosque east of Baquba, killing four. But more
seriously, Bill just to the north of Baghdad, a sustained attack, the kind of attack we
usually don't see on an Iraqi anny outpost. 10 Iraqi soldiers killed. 20 wounded. Iraqi
police also involved. The attackers are not only using heavy machine guns but also rocket
propelled grenades.

(10:59 AM)
Paige: Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld in Iraq announcing President Bush's approval
of a cautious reduction in the number of U.S. combat forces in the country. Troop levels
will be trimmed by roughly 7,000. Fox News correspondent Greg Kelly has a live report
from the Pentagon.
Greg Kelly: Hi Paige, a politically charged debate indeed at the Pentagon and the
President have always maintained that any troop level reduction will be dictated by
conditions on the ground and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld assessing those
conditions are conducive to a reduction in V.S. troops level. Now we're going from 17
combat brigades in Iraq down to 15 - within a brigade there are about anywhere from
3,000 to 4,000 soldiers. Overall the numbers are still a little bit murky but right now
about 160 thousand troops in Iraq, 160,000,20,000 were there to augment security for the
recent elections. They'll go away. They're actually already starting to move out. And then
these two additional brigades will bring the total down to roughly 135,000. Here is
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld from earlier today in Fallujah, Iraq.
Secretary Rumsfeld clip: The affects of these adjustments will reduce U.S. forces in
Iraq by the spring of 2006 below the high, the current high of roughly 160,000, during the
election period when it was bulked up and also below the 138,000 baseline that had
existed prior to the most recent election.
Greg Kelly: Now in a subsequent press release the military announced that the first
brigade of the first infantry division will not deploy to Iraq as a brigade and the second
brigade ofthe first armor division wilt remain in Kuwait as what is called a call forward
force essentially on standby to respond to a situation in Iraq as needed. Now, regarding
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the two brigades that are not going to Iraq, the first infantry -- the first armored brigade of
the first infantry division will actually be sending an awful lot of soldiers to Iraq in the
end. They won't be going as a brigade but 1,000 soldiers from various c;ompanies inside
that unit will be deploying to Iraq to perform security functions, to perform Iraqi training
missions, things of that nature. This troop level reduction as announced by the Pentagon
does not affect troops in Iraq right now. Any marines or soldiers who were there on
scheduled unit deployments will fulfill those deployments as schedule. But we do expect,
as does much of Washington, to see a lot more reductions as the New Year gets
underway. Back to you, Paige.

(10:31 AM)
Page Hopkins: The best Christmas present ever for our troops overseas. Donald
Rumsfeld traveling in Iraq announcing the troop levels will be decreased by about 5,000
soldiers. David MacDougall is in Iraq. He joins us with the story, David.
David MacDougall: ... He started off in Fallujah,a town hall meeting with troops, then
off to Jordan reviewing Iraqi special forces in training there. Then Secretary Rumsfeld
was back here to a rather rainy Baghdad where he's just had a meeting with Iraq's
President Talabani and Prime Minister al-Jaafari. The big story is an announcement that a
lot of people wanted to hear - the U.S. is cutting the number of forces it deploys in Iraq.
That affects two brigades who now won't be deployed here; it's about 5,000 troops from
Fort Riley in Kansas and one brigade already stationed in Kuwait. Troop levels will be
down to about 138,000 to put it into context, the numbers had been up at about 160,000
for the election for extra security but they will fall back as more Iraqi troops complete
their training and get ready to take over. But there are some problems today for the Iraqi
troops and gunmen attacking a base north of Baghdad here. They're able to get past the
defenses, kill 10 Iraqi soldiers and wound 20 others. There will be some concern about
the readiness level of trained Ir~qi troops if this sort of thing can happen.
CNN Headline News - December 23

(10:01 AM)
Renay San Miguel: Defense Secretary RumsfeJd made a stop today in Iraq with a
holiday message of his own. He told a group of U.S. troops at camp Fallujah that
President Bush has approved a move to cut the number of US. troops in Iraq.
Secretary Rumsfeld: President Bush has authorized an adjustment in U.S. combat
brigades in Iraq from 17 to 15. The size and composition of US. forces, of course, will
fluctuate as commanders continue to shift their focus to emphasize training and
supporting the Iraqi security forces. This will include some increases in U.S. forces
involved in transition teams, intelligence support and logistics to assist the security forces
as they continue to assume greater responsibility for the security of their country.
Renay San Miguel: The Pentagon says two Army brigades that had been scheduled for
combat tours will no longer deploy to Iraq. For most of the year there have been at least
138,000 U.S. troops in Iraq. For the soldiers who remain in Iraq right now they are still
very much in hann's way. Two US. soldiers are dead after an explosion in Baghdad. The
military says they were killed when their vehicle struck a roadside bomb. Elsewhere in
Iraq, two separate attacks left 18 people dead and 2 dozen wounded. Gunmen killed a
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police officer and· eight Iraqi soldiers at a check point along a highway north ofBaquba.
Suicide bombing outside a Shiite mosque also left nine dead. It happened during
noontime prayers.
CNN -- American Morning

(9:00: AM)
Soledad O'Brien: Same sentiment, of course, for the military families, who cannot come
soon enough to have a loved one home. And we start this hour, in fact, with the plans to
cut troop levels in Iraq. The Pentagon canceling the deployment of thousands of combat
personnel. Thousands more troops are going to stl!lrt coming home. Let's get right to
Barbara Starr. She's live at the Pentagon for us this morning. Hey, Barbara. Good
morning. How many troops are we actually talking about overall?
BARBARA STARR: Well, Soledad, we're talking really about two separate groups of
troops. First, about 20,000 troops that had been in Iraq for election security for those
December 15 elections, they already knew they were going to come home. That mission
now done, and their return to the United States is under way. But what Secretary of
Defense Donald RumsfeId made official earlier today, announcing it in Fallujah at a town
hall meeting with the troops, is that deployment orders for two additional brigades, about
7,500 troops that were going to go to Iraq in early 2006, those deployment orders now
canceled. Those brigades will not have to go to Iraq. It is part of the shift, the overall shift
in strategy that more focus will be paid to helping the Iraqi security forces and that there
won't be as much need, they hope, for U.S. troops, boots on the ground in combat. So the
bottom line is, about 17 brigades that were in Iraq will now become 15 brigades. Two
brigades won't be replaced, and that will bring it about 7,500 troops below the 138,000
that was sort of the steady state, the post-election security level. So it's good news for a
lot of families, but still a bit of a shift in strategy that they're going have to see how it
plays out in early 2006 -- Soledad.
O'BRIEN: Barbara, does it overall mean actually fewer troops on the ground?
STARR: Well, that's really the key question, because with this shift in strategy, what
Secretary Rumsfeld is already warning about is that there may be more troops doing
particular kinds ofjobs: support, training, intelligence, air support, the kinds of things
that U.S. troops still will have to do to help out the Iraqis. So there may be more troops in
certain specialties, but what they do hope is less troops, if you will, as the grunts on the
ground, the combat forces conducting patrols, doing the cordons, doing the knock-and
search operations. They want the Iraqis to take over more of that in 2006, get the U.S.
troops out of that job. But more U.S. troops may be in those support roles -- Soledad.
O'BRIEN: All right. Barbara Starr at the Pentagon for us with some good news for
military families.
CNN -- American Morning - December 23

(7:33 AM)
Soledad O'Brien: A decision from President Bush on reducing troop levels in Iraq.
Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld made the announcement after m/eeting with military
commanders near Fallujah.
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Secretary Rumsfeld: As you know, we made plans for all kinds of possibilities. And
when we get specific recommendations from General Abizaid and General Casey, why
we have the task then of considering those recommendations.
Soledad O'Brien: The planned adjustments including drawing down to about 130,000
troops by the spring. There are currently about 160,000 troops in Iraq. Some additional
troops are likely to be sent in for the so-called non-combat missions like intelligence and
training Iraqi soldiers. There are the numbers there. Let's put a little perspective. Let's get
right to retired Brigadier General James "Spider" Marks. Nice to see you. Thanks for
talking with us.
MAJ. GEN. JAMES MARKS, U.S. ARMY (RET.): Hi, Soledad.
Soledad O'Brien: All right. Let's get to these numbers. First, the 7,000 to 10,000 soldiers
who will not be deployed now. Are you surprised by that?
MARKS: No, not at all. In fact, if you'll recall, for the last 15 years, we've had a presence
in Kuwait as a staging area for the possibility for combat operations, not only in Iraq, but
for any contingency that might arise in the region. So retaining a brigade in Kuwait vice
(ph), moving that brigade into Iraq is not unusual. And then giving the order to retain a
brigade or at least cancel their deployment orders to go into Iraq, that unit still remains
very combat ready and literally it's just an airplane ride from Ft. Riley, Kansas, into the
region. So it remains on what we would call a string. So that's not surprising.
Soledad O'Brien: All right. So none of those soldiers are going home any time soon.
How about the 20,000 soldiers that will be sent back home from Iraq? Give me a sense of
what you think of the timing here.
MARKS: Soledad, that's going to take probably, you know, six to eight weeks. You
know, a couple of months. And the intent was to spike the number of troops, both
marines and soldiers on the ground and all service members in the region, but to spike
them for the elections and then to have that presence remain in place during the period of
the parliament sitting in place and getting going, frankly. And so over the course of the
next couple of months, you'll see that draw-down. So what you saw was a spike and now
back to what I would call a lev-el of normalcy that we're going to see. And then' what you
really need to do is kind of step back from that and say, what is the new normal that we're
going to see in Southwest Asia? Clearly there will be a presence over the horizon for
contingencies and you'll see in country increased number of soldiers and troops that are
involved in the training of Iraqi forces. Soldiers and marines embedded in units. Those
Iraqi units as they stand up to get those organizations on the ground and more combat
ready. And then certainly you're going to have units that are in place conducting combat
operations as well.
Soledad O'Brien: So this is the beginning of the draw-down. Are draw-downs generally
done this way, little bits here and there?
MARKS: They are. What you're not going to see and what you truly want to avoid is the
image from April of 1975 on the embassy compound in Saigon where there just was a
precipitous withdrawal because everything went really bad really quick. So you're going
to see this metered, very, very disciplined. You're going to see the forces draw down and
assume what I would call a new normalcy.
Soledad O'Brien: Is there a sense that then when you talk about monitoring this new
normalcy, do you monitor the violence too? I mean if there's an uptick in violence after
some soldiers have been brought back out, that potentially they could be brought back in?
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In other words, the cancellation of the deployment orders could' be canceled? You know,
reinstated?
MARKS: Like that, Soledad. Absolutely. And that's why you have those possibilities. I
mean, you walk your way through all the potential contingencies, good and bad, and you
provide yourself options with the placement of forces in different locations to respond to
those kinds of possibilities.
Soledad O'Brien: And is this because of pressure from the American people, pressure
from lawmakers, because this has become the draw-down issue, become such a headline
issue now, do you think? I mean what part does that play?
MARKS: Soledad, that's a great question. Certainly a soldier would never respond in a
way that says, look, we have some political pressures or there are other pressures that
would dictate what it is we're going to try to accomplish. But, clearly, there is political
and economics, security, informational. There are all these elements of power that come
into play that allow our political leaders and masters to make those decisions on the
specific military presence that exists.
Soledad O'Brien: Retired Brigadier General James "Spider" Marks. Nice to see you, as
always. Thanks.
NPR - December 23
(11:01 AM)
Paul Brown: From NPR news in Washington on Paul Brown the President and the
Pentagon have authorized a reduction of U.S. troop numbers in Iraq. Defense officials
say around five thousand troops could leave the Gulf sometime in 2006. Secretary of
Defense Donald Rumsfeld told Marines in Iraq today that the number of U.S. service
members there will continue to change.
Secretary Rumsfeld clip: The size and composition of U.S. forces of course will [uh]
fluctuate as commanders continue to shift their focus to emphasis training and supporting
Iraqi security force.
Paul Brown: Rumsfe1d said U.S. troop levels would go below the one hundred thirty
eight thousand maintained for much of two thousand five. Today in Iraq, two U.S.
soldiers were killed by a roadside bomb and at least ten Iraqi troops died in a protracted
firefight with insurgents.
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on the record ...
Attached is the transcript of the on-the-record portion of LtGen ConwayCs 0930
briefing today with the military analysts. The call lasted just short of 30 minutes.
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Transcript: Military Analyst Call
Friday, Dec. 23, 2005, 0930
LtGen Conway re U.S. troop adjustments in Iraq
Portions on the record; portions off the record
OSD Public Affairs, Room rmDThe Pentagon
Host:~ Joint Chiefs Public Affairs
Transcriber_ .....
Note: This transcript includes the on the record portion ofthe general's update
LtGen Conway: ... Folks that I think are tuned in this morning, pretty much the normal
list of suspects. And again, we'd be happy at any point here when we've finished to take
your questions, and we'll take as long as we need to.
What I would like to do is split the time this morning to the extent that we can. I would
like to pitch to you all for about 15 minutes, both the essence of what's taking place and
then some points that I would have for you that I think would help you with your
analysis, and then use the rest of the time to go ahead and answer your questions.
First of all, I don't think it's a surprise to you at this point with the secretary having
announced and with some articles having appeared as early as a week ago, but certainly
in the papers in this morning that the 2d Brigade, 151 Armored Division, out of
Schweinfurt, Germany, (note, DoD release says Baumholder) will be prepositioned on its
gear in Kuwait, serving as a call-forward force.
The Army has been busy prepositioning the equipment of an armored brigade, analogous
to what we used to have there I guess before OIF. That equipment is generally arriving
and will be in place this month, and that's what the 2d ofth~ 151 Armored is falling in on;
they will be again in this call-forward status for an undetermined period of time, based on
some recommendations that are going to be coming from the secretary from the
commander of CENTCOM.
Okay, secondly - and more in a moment about this call-forward status. Secondly, the 151
Brigade of the 151 Infantry Division, out of Fort Riley, Kan., was notified, oh, mid
November or so that they would be in delayed status pending their deployment to Iraq.
They were told to enjoy Christmas and their status would be provided to them shortly
after Christmas and after the first of the New Year.
They were scheduled to arrive in Iraq - actually in Kuwait -. on 13 December with the
latest arrival date, and then to be in Iraq and ready to transfer authority on the Ii h of
January.
Their status is being updated by virtue of the orders the secretary has signed, and they
will not be deployed to Iraq as a brigade. Again, that's one ofthe points that I want to
raise with you, in the points "that I w~t to make.
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And let me get into those points now. There are four of them, essentially. The first deals
with the 151 of the 151 Infantry. As I said, they will not be going into theater as a brigade,
but elements of the brigade will be deploying to Iraq - and or as it turns out this morning,
perhaps, a small number into the Horn of Africa.
What's intended for the brigade, and this is based upon Anny decisions and who's best
available, who's best trained (up on step?) and that type of thing, is that the brigade will
provide seven or eight security companies that will perform security roles - convoy
escorts, those type things - in and around Iraq as a.part of their number.
The brigade is also tasked with providing a number, I don't know how many, frankly, at
this point, but a number of the transition teams that will work with Iraqi forces and
continue their modernization and professionalism efforts, and also the brigade
headquarters has been tasked with the training of Army transition teams, and perhaps
even other Service transition teams, depending upon their makeup.
But those are the three functions that the brigade will be performing now over the next
year or so, again, with certainly a portion of them going into Iraq.
Now, I would add that it is still a net plus in terms of the total numbers, okay? Because
they are going in as security companies, somebody else is not going, okay? So this isn't a
shell game, certainly, in that context, it's just that these people are, again, readily
available; they're more prepared than some of the other companies from the other units
that might be tagged a later point in time.
Let me talk to you some about the math, okay? Simplicity says that until about August,
and for the several months leading up to that, we were about I38k as what we call the
baseline force. You all are well aware, because you tracked it, that we started to bump up
at that point, first for the mid-October referendum, and following that, of course, the mid
December election, and peak numbers went to about 160,000.
Now that was obviously for the election; we've done that before and every case we've
come back down to baseline, and that certainly is the intent this time.
Simple math would say, okay, we go back to about 130,000, two brigades, 3,500 each,
that's about 7,000, so we'll be at 131, right? Well, the answer is no, that's not quite right.
And the reason for that is since about August of last year, we've been looking at
. transition requirements to hand over this fight, and ultimately, security responsibilities to
the Iraqis. And we've been providing to them, since about August, the numbers of people
that will be necessary for transition teams - these 10·, 12-man elements that will be
working with the Iraqi units, with combat support - combat service support types of
people that will strengthen that Iraqi capability, and eventually allow them to do it
themselves as opposed to us doing it for them; detainee operations types of folks that will
train and assist the Iraqis in taking over this function as soon as we can hand it off to
them with new facilities built in some cases, old facilities being rehabbed and or, again
given over to Iraqi control.
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So, what you see is some growth in terms of those transition capabilities that offset that
simple math I posed to you earlier. We think right now that the essence of it will be a
reduction of 3(000) or 4,000 troops from that 138, but quite frankly, that's a projection.
We are talking about March by the time we would get everybody out of theater and stood
down that were there for the election, and of course, that's three months-plus hence from
this point.
But I just want to caution you all that some of the things that you may have heard or even
have seen in the paper this morning, unfortunately, are not precisely correct, and you all
need to be able to talk to that I think intelligently when you s~e it.
The third point I would make is on the 2d of the lSI AD. General Abizaid has his strategic
reserve; it's the MEV. General Casey's operational reserve if you will 'is for all intents
and purposes the 2d of the 151 AD. But we're choosing not to call it that. It's being labeled
a "call forward" force, and if you all would be explicit in your terminologies when
addressing it, that would help us with regard to what we do here.
Now, how long they're going to be in that capacity, again, that remains to be seen. We
know they are there for at least 90 days. You all understand, of course, there's routine
assessments and decision points that are being exercised by the commander in theater. He
is simply going to have to watch the situation to see how long all or portions of that
brigade need to stay in Kuwait. So I think we'll leave that with simply the byline more to
follow.
The last thing is that I would emphasize is that this all is coming about as a result oflraqi
progress. I mean, right now, the numbers are at 216,000 trained and equipped; 120-plus
Iraqi army and police battalions in the fight; 44 of those own ground as we speak here
this morning; that number is going up to 50 or so by the end of January. Seven brigades
that are providing leadership roles right now in that; two division headquarters; that
number of brigade headquarters will go up to 11 or so by the end of January. So it's a
northeast trendline in terms of the Iraqis, both coming on line and assuming control of
ground and battle space as they are able to do.
And again, that's how General Casey, General Vines, General Abizaid, the secretary and
the chairman are all able to arrive at the decision that has now been made.
I would emphasize to you that it's done in a military chain of command that goes all the
way to the president; it is not based on political events. And that's all as a military man I
suppose I need to say .about that.
Okay, that didn't take a full 15 minutes, but that just gives us more time for questions. I'iI
be happy to field anything that you guys have.
Q: This is Jeff McCausland. Two quick questions. On the 151 of the lSI, you said that they
are going to be training the transition teams. Will they be doing that back at Riley, the
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international training center, Kuwait, Iraq, where will that occur? And on the I AD
brigade, when will they actually close in Kuwait with troops and equipment, and then
lastly, any comments about the future ifthings go well at the end of spring?
LtGen Conway: Well, first of all in terms of the training, you know, I think, and I'll have
to confirm this for you, but I think it's going to take place at home station in Riley. That
would certainly limit the logistics requirements of going elsewhere to do it. I can tell you
it is not going to take place in theater. It is going to take place in the United States.
In terms of the 2d of the 151 AD, they're there. They had an LAD (latest-arrival date) in
Kuwait late November. They made that. They have been essentially there doing training,
doing commanders' reconnaissance; some of their leadership I think went into Iraq just to
expedite the process if they were called forward. They have essentially satisfied all of
those what we call RSO&I requirements that allow them now to deploy quickly if the
event should necessitate that.
In terms of what will happen down range Jeff, I mean, it just depends. This has always
been situation based, and we are going to have to read the situation as it develops. Right
now there's some pretty positive trend lines out there compared to what we saw during
the referendum in terms of casualties, in terms of numbers of attacks, in terms of
VBIEDs, suicide VBlEDs, those types of things. If those things continue in a positive
fashion, and Iraqis continue to show that they can manage it, then I think there's probably
good news to follow. But that will be dependent upon General Casey's assessment when
those things pop on to the calendar.
Q: Thank you.
Q: Hey General, Jed Babbin. We heard from General Casey, and I guess more recently
from the secretary, that we're trying to balance things between providing the Iraqis with
the support they need and not creating in them a dependency on us to do all of those
things. I understand the concept. Give us a couple of points - you know, how do you
make the judgment? What do you balance one against the other in terms of trying to not
create that dependency?
LtGen Conway: Yeah, Jed, I think that's a good question. And it's a finesse question in a
sort of way, because it just depends on what you're dealing with at the time. I mean,
clearly, just like in our military, some Iraqi units are better than others. But as they are
able to step up, we are pretty much requiring that they do so.
I can tell you that in the reports this morning, that there's the first what they are calling
Iraqi brigade-level sweep that's taken place out in the Euphrates River Valley. There's a
Marine rifle company out of RCT-2 that is there as observers. But these guys conceived
of it, planned it and executed all on their own. So that's the type of growth that we see
and that we want to encourage. And I think there's a belief on the part of our military and
certainly our leadership that, you know, some of these units will be reticent to step
forward unless you absolutely compel them to do so, but that's our responsibility to both
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train the Iraqis as job one, conduct the necessary counterinsurgency as job two, but to
make sure that that first job is understood and executed as soon as we can make it
happen.
Q: Great, thanks.
Q: This is Jeff McCausland again. One other question - on the transition teams - what's
in the future? Is that going to be Army-Marine, or is that going to be solely Army?
LtGen Conway: Jeff, actually it's all Services. The guys who are out doing the close
combat kind of stuff is clearly Army and Marine. But what we've seen is the direction,
and subsequently the willingness, on the part of the Navy and the Air Force to step up
where they can. So some of these transition teams are base -- facilities (base facilities?)
training teams; some of them are logistics training teams. So where it's plausible that a
transition team can work to do the type of things that we find resident in the Air Force,or
the Navy, again, those Services are stepping up big time to help relieve some of the stress
on the two ground Services.
But clearly, where there is a ground combat role, and that extends out to the border
transition teams -- the special police and the police transition teams -- you are going to
find most of those are Army and Marine.
Q: Hey, Jim, Tom McInerney.
LtGen Conway: Yes sir.
Q: How are we coming, particularly with the MEF, ofimpressing upon the Sunnis that
the U.S. and the Coalition forces are there last great hope, that if they continue the
insurgency then, you know, time will just force us to turn it over the Kurds and the Shi'a
to solve it for them, and we can help them more than anybody with revising the
constitution, economic resources, positions in the cabinet. Are we making progress with
them?
LtGen Conway: Tom, I think so. I see some really positive signs, without sounding
overly optimistic. One is just the turnout of the Sunni vote. I think they realize that they
hosed (?) it last time, and they are not willing to see that occur that way this time around.
So that's I think a positive sign.
Secondly, you know, we're actually seeing some red on red, in and around Ramadi, and
out on the western border. The - some of the bad guys have really had it with the AQI
folks in Ramadi, and there are fights taking place there, there are threats, there is
intimidation - on both sides, really. But it's the old thing the enemy of my enemy is my
friend. And although these, you know, FRE (former regime elements?) and former
Saddamists aren't going to really befriend us in ways that we are seeing out west, we still
see that as a positive thing, and I think a realization on the part of those folks, that, you
know, the final solution here is going to be political, not kinetic.
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The other thing is that out on the border, one, the border posts are now in place and
manned up, so we think we can start to throttle, you know, some of the numbers that
we've seen coming across, but secondly, you've got tribal sheiks out there that have
fought the AQI previously, who are offering their young men to join the military in a
militia-sort of way; we call them Desert Protectors. And we've got three platoons of
those folks out and about. And they are providing a good bit of intelligence; they're
helping of course with the security role; and it's a good tie between sheiks out there that
weren't necessarily favorable to the Marines in the west that are now by necessity caused
to work somewhat in sync.
Q: And have some of them continued with the cease fire they put in during the election?
LtGen Conway: You know, I think we're probably, certainly the J-2's best guess, we're
going to start to see the numbers of attacks go up some. There was never really a cease
fire; I think that was perhaps a little misunderstood. I think there probably were some
discussions taking place, but those aren't new. I mean, I had those when I was out there,
and these guys can never quite come across with the goods. We said, hey, show us your
power by cutting off the attacks and we'll start to believe that you speak for large
numbers of people.
They were never quite able to do that. And although I think there have once again been
discussions this time, nothing that approached a cease fire, and attacks still did occur, so
- although they were somewhat diminished. And these people did help us in securing the
polling sites.
So, I don't know that there's a one-for-one return on the effort, certainly one that we'll
continue to see as we approach the new year.
Q: Thank you.
Q: General, Bob Maginnis. On the Hom of Africa, you indicated in your explanation of
the first point that the 1st of the 1st of course isn't going over in its entirety, but elements
might go to the Horn of Africa. Are we growing, or is this a replacement effort in that
area?
LtGen Conway: Bob, I'll be honest with you, I don't know the answer to that. The
information I gave you is about 30 minutes old. When I stepped in the Army had actually
reduced the number of security companies that were going to be headed into Iraq, and
included in that number was one for the Horn of Africa.
I will tell you that we are trying not to grow it; that's the thrust. It's an economy of force
mission, and any request for forces that come in from there are very closely scrutinized,
so I am going to have to dig more into what they see is this requirement. I do know
there's a security effort there that is existent in Dijibouti at the base. Whether or not these
are guys that are just scheduled to go in and rotate them out, I can't say for sure.
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We are not providing a lot of security elsewhere with regard to convoys and that type of
thing. So, I would say 60..40 that they're replacement, but I can't say that with lOO
percent assurity.
Q: Thank you.
Q: General, Tim Eads. Could you give us a little background on the timing of this
announcement? I mean, is it based almost exclusively on the capability of the Iraqi forces
to step in, is there something else in play - you know - the election was less than a week
ago. Some may think it's strange that we are announcing troop withdrawals before the
government has stood up.
LtGen Conway: Yeah, Tim all those things certainly went into consideration. I can tell
you that there's been discussion on this now for some time, but that the election hanging
out there was a major consideration in terms of the announcement. You know, we needed
to see - we were getting reports! of course, that the bad guys were going to try to disrupt
and eradicate, you know, the success of the election as much as they could. That
obviously didn't happen. I mean, you had a huge turnout and the ability of the Iraqi
forces to defend it was just excellent.
So, it was believed that we would wait and see how all that panned out before there were
any real announcements of the decision, and that's essentially what you see here. Now,
we realize that if you look at what happened recently with this interim government that it
took, some would argue, 90 days or more to stand up. We're hoping that doesn't happen
this time; time will certainly tell. And I think there's a lot of backroom discussion, a lot
of tea that's going to be drank before this one really is settled, out. But, 1 think people
would say that we all lost momentum when they took, you know, so long to put it
together. That's a lesson learned and we just hope it's applied as they bring this one
around.
Q: Thank you.
Q: General, this is leffMcCausland. I'm sorry. One more question. While I fully am
more than happy to use this phrase call forward force as opposed to operational reserve,
and I am sure all my colleagues will be happy to do that as well, could you kind of tell us
why you want to do it that way? I mean, all of us are comfortable with operational
reserve, makes sense in terms of military terms (crosstalk).
Begin off-the-record discussion.
End off-the-record discussion.
LTC Battaglia: Okay, I thank you for joining us, gentlemen. Is there anything I need to
follow up on? '
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Q: (Jeff McCausland?) (inaudible) verify training sites (inaudible) Riley, that might be
helpful.
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LtGen Conway: Hey guys, great to be with you again. Have a wonderful Christmas. We
will be talking tei you again after the New Year.
Q: Likewise, sir.
Q: Thanks general.
Q: Great rundown.
Q: Thank you very much.
(call ends).
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:41 PM·
Subject: RE: IMAR anecdotes
Eric _. , really did not get any anecdotes from my discussions that you would find useful. I let them ask me questions and
they seemed timid but wanted to know if we were going to stay with them. I must say having taught at both West Point
and the Naval Academy I found them to be the same kind of young person! Full of enthusiasm, told me about thf3ir girl
friends, etc.
I also would like to take you up on your offer of getting any info you can provide on the QDR. I am running a one day
seminar on the future of US-UK relations on 10 January at the Royal United Services Institute for Defense Studies in
London. I know all the Brits in attendance ( and RUSI will turn out a pretty distinguished group) will want to know.
Best for the holidays!
Jeff
Jeffrey D. McCausland, PhD

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Subject: IMAR anecdotes
following up on the conversation i had with most of you in kuwait, would you please send me an anecdote or two from the
conversations you had during the lunch we shared with the imar cadets? all of us were spread out and it really sounded
like we heard some inciteful things that it might be worthwhile for all of us to know about -- and possibly used as part of a
story, speeCh, etc.
in my conversation with one of the imar cadets, i asked him if he believed the united states when we say that we are not
interested in occupying iraq and that we do in fact wish to turn everything over to the country, eventually. the cadet
responded, "yes, because i know what america did in germany and japan."
i certainly found that interesting and ha've not heard that before.
thanks to everyone for making the trip. it was a pleasure working with you. eric
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Gentlemen - could I ask for times if you are on TV so we are a'ble to watch?
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Greg, sorry for the much delayed response, we are happy to help anytime
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Thanks for all your help today. ADM G thought it went-very well. Let us know how we can support in the future. r, gjs
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here is the list of participants thus far. anticipate the possibility that more may join. see you in _ a t 3:15.
thanks

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Mr. Jed Babbin (USAF,JAG)
Lieutenant General Frank B. Campbell (USAF, Retired)
Lieutenant Colonel Rick Francona (USAF, Retired)
Captain Martin L. Strong (USN, Retired)
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Tara,
When do you estimate providing a list of names? ADM G is tied up in aDR meetings right up to the time of the conference
call. I will need to work something up and slip it to him during the aDR meeting.
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yes, we'll plan on allison's office at 3: 15.
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Thanks. It may be a good idea to send them a copy of yesterday's Blue Top on the Meigs announcement. Did you get the
word that we need to USe a OASD PA space to conduct this. We don't have speaker phones on the Joint Staff. f was told
perhaps Allison's office would work. Please confirm. gjs
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sir, here is the invite that went out to the analysts. contains call in information, etc. i will forward the agenda and
participants list separately, early this afternoon.
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Attachments: 12-20-05 Renuart Afghanistan.doc
12·20-05 Renuart
Afghanlstan.d ...
Attached is the transcript from this morningDs 0930 call with Lt Gen Renuart
and the military analysts regarding Afghanistan.
The call was on background.
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Transcript - Military Analyst Call

Air Force Lt Gen Gene Renuart, Director of Strategic Plans and Policy, Joint Staff
Tuesday, Dec. 20, 2005,0930
OSD - Public Affairs, Room 2E556, The Pentagon
Lt Gen Gene Renuart, BG Jeffery Hammond
Host: tmmJ OSD Public Affairs
On background - quote as senior DoD official
Duration approximately 20 minutes
Transcriber: rlDll5il
~This is _ a t the Pentagon. Welcome to the conference call. Thanks

for joining us this morning. I want to remind you that today's call is on background,so
you may quote a senior DoD official.
r have with me General Hammond from the Anny and General Renuart from the Joint
Staff. They will be briefing you on troop adjustments in Afghanistan, and we look
forward to your questions at the end. With that, r will turn it over to General Renuart.
Lt Gen Renuart: Okay, thanks mil Good morning. We - as you've seen in some press
reports, there will be an announcement that will be out shortly within the hour here in the
Pentagon that will outline an adjustment of troops for our forces in OEF in Afghanistan.
It will outline the fact that 4 th Brigade, 10th Mountain Division will not deploy as a
brigade unit; rather, one battalion task force pulled from that brigade will go forward to
provide support to the NATO transformation in the south - what will be called Regional
Command South, and they will be partnering with UK, Canadian and others in the south
to create a multi-national force under the NATO ISAF flag as it makes its transition.
The end result of this will mean a decrease in overall U.S. presence in Afghanistan by
something on the order of about 2,500 folks. Number's a little bit soft, but it will be
pretty close in that category.
It signals kind of a beginning of an expansion of NATO's mission. This is based on an

assessment that General Eikenberry - Karl Eikenberry - has made in the theater, with
recommendations to General Abizaid that the security conditions, the progress on the
ground has been such that we can begin to transition from direct combat operations in the
southern part of the country to stability operations that are more closely aligned with the
NATO ISAF mission. And NATO has stood up to that.
So this is another step in a success story in Afghanistan. It comes on the heels of

parliament being seated; it comes on the heels of some progress being made in
reconstruction in the south; it comes on the heels of some improvement in the stability in
the number of provinces; and it allows for NATO to continue to take on an expanded role
in Afghanistan.
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So, good news story. Good news in that we can reduce the number of folks that are
deploying; good news in that NATO is able to begin an expansion of its ISAF mission;
and good news because all that signals some success on the ground in Afghanistan.
So that's kind ofa quick overview. We are probably best suited to let you all fire away at
questions, so I'll stop there and let you jump in, and we can go from questions. And I've
got folks from the Army as well who can be the experts better than 1.
Q: General, Bob Maginnis. Question with regard to ISAF and the Dutch. I understand
they're not going to tum over prisoners perhaps ~o us because of their restrictions on
capital punishment. Is that going to at all hann our intelligence gathering operations in
Afghanistan?
Lt Gen Renuart: Bob, I think first it's important to understand that as NATO assumes this
new mission, they will come with a set of rules of engagement that will deal with
detainees as they take them. There is, for example, in RC-West and RC-North, where
they are today, they have an agreement with the government of Afghanistan on turning
those over. We work closely with Afghanistan on intelligence gathering, and we are
comfortable with that relationship.
So I really don't think this will have any substantial effect at all. I think we are very
comfortable with the way NATO approaches detainees in the other parts of the country;
we see that continuing as they move into the south; and we feel like we' Il have more than
adequate ability to share in that intelligence information with the Afghan government.
Q: Thank you.
_ GentleI1)\;en, any other questions for the general?
Q: This is Gordon Cucullu, general. Do we see this as likely to accelerate over the course
of 2006, or would it be safe to say we're trying this on a trial basis to assess it after a
couple of months?
Lt Gen Renuart: Gordon that's a good question, and I think you want to be a little careful
to signal, you know, this. being the bow wave oflarge-scale changes. But I think it is
important to characterize it in that we see this as the beginning of further expansion of the
NATO mission, which generally is a stabilization, reconstruction, governance role, with
certainly capable security forces should they be needed.
So what I see accelerating is the progress that we've made in Afghanistan with respect to
governance and restoration of a reasonable quality of life for the Afghan people.
As to how that will affect U.S. troops, I think it's also fair to say that this reduction could
continue based on the conditions we see further on down the road. You don't want to
overuse - I mean, we beat up the conditions-based approach, but truly this is the
beginning of a routine assessment, a routine update, a reevaluation by CFC-Alpha and
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General Abizaid and the secretary on conditions as they continue to improve, and it gives
us the ability to further transition forces to a broader NATO mission in the country.
It's also important to note that it does not in any way reduce our commitment to the
counter-terrorism mission in the country. We will retain all of the very highly trained and
well-equipped Special Forces units that we have in the country that can continue to press
the fight against al Qaeda and those Taliban elements that want to continue to fight.
It also signals a, if you wiU, an expansion of OUT relationship with Afghanistan in the area
of strategic partnership, because it becomes a more multi-national force that's there in the
country. And then I think, finally, it is a measure of our confidence in the Iraqi - I'm
sorry, Afghan - government beginning to stand up more and more on its own, and aIIows
us to work closely with both the Afghan goverrunent and the international community on
the future of Afghanistan.
Q: Can I ask a follow-up to that please?
Lt Gen Renuart: Sure.
Q: The - I know we're going to be asked or that the question will come up and I don't
want to lean to far forward in the foxhole on this, but is this then conceptually at least a
working model for what we would hope to achieve in Iraqi Freedom?
Lt Gen Renuart: You know, Gordon I think there .- while there are parallels between the
two theaters, and certainly an assessment of situations on the ground will continue in both
places. It's important to also understand the differences. In Afghanistan, we are, we are,
we have been obviously engaged there with a large multi-national presence for quite a
while, and we've begun to really isolate the terrorist element, if you will, in a small
portion of the south and predominantly the eastern border area in Afghanistan, and we'll
continue to stay focused on that. But the process of assessing situations on the ground are
parallel, and General Casey clearly will continue to make those assessments over time,
and he, too, like General Eikenberry, will make some recommendations to the secretary
in terms of how we adjust and shape in Iraq, as well. So, there are parallels, there are
differences; I would be cautious about drawing too much into that just yet.
Q: Thanks very much.
Lt Gen Renuart: Sure. Any other questions?
Q: Bob Maginnis again. On PRTs (provincial reconstruction teams), the distribution of

PRTs, is that shifting at all more in NATO's favor, are we downsizing our presence there,
or what is the distribution?
Lt Gen Renuart: Well, Bob, as NATO assumes more and more ofa role throughout the
country, they will also take on more responsibility for the PRTs that are deployed. As an
example, the PRT in Lashkar Gah (Helmand Province), which is right now a U.S. PRT
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will transition to UK as the UK moves into that region. The Canadians are taking over a
PRT in the Kandahar region as they move in. So it is a transfer ofPRT responsibility to
NATO, and that really is a central element of NATO's mission in each of these regions as
they move forces in.
The U.S. will still retain leadership on a number of the PRTs. The number I think that
sticks in my head today is we'll still have somewhere around 12, but please don't quote
me on that because my public math is usually wrong. But essentially we'll keep all of the
PRTs - the vast majority of the PRTs in the east; we will work a couple ofPRTs up in the
Panjsher Valley (near Kabul), and then - but the intent being that we would encourage
and welcome other nations picking up some of those responsibilities. And we'll still keep
one or two of those PRTs as part of NATO as well, and that's important to mention, as
well.
And one point I'd mention here that some might say, well,. you're letting NATO take this
on so you can go home. In fact, we'll continue to have more forces contributing to NATO
than the other nations in the process, and so as we make this final transition - I mean,
ultimately, as NATO might assume the entire country, the U.S. will still be the dominant
partner there. So, in addition to ground forces of course we'll continue to provide all the
air and the intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance, the supporting fires (?), a great
deal oflogistics support. So, the U.S. will still be present in the NATO mission for the
foreseeable future. So it is not a - should not be characterized as handing this over to
some other nations in NATO and the U.S. not participating.
Q: General, Tim Eads. Can you tell us how this is going to affect the rotation schedule in
Iraq, or ifit will affect the rotation schedule in Iraq, if you're (bringing?) up these troops?
Lt Gen Renuart: Well, as you may know, Tim, the rotation - I mean, we work the yearly
rotation schedules a good deal in advance. The forces earmarked to go to Afghanistan
and the forces earmarked to go to Iraq are kind of done in separate bins.
th
What this will do obviously is ease the tempo of 4 Brigade, 10th Mountain, because they
are not going to Afghanistan, and in theory, if you extrapolate that over time, that force
could be available for some other mission sooner than they might nonnally be.
But there are some unknowns in this. One ofthe key elements here is this brigade will
remain on a prepared to deploy order, which really means that if General Eikenberry
found a crisis developed that he needed that additional force, we'd push that forward.
So they're not completely off the hook, but they'll be at home station in a PTDO status.
So it may not necessarily free up that brigade as quickly as we'd hoped, but it does signal
that we are beginning to change the size of the force in Afghanistan, and so there is some
relationship to how the Army will view that in the, you know, longer term in terms of
sustainability. Maybe General Hammond might have another comment here.
BG Hammond: No, sir, I really don't. I think generally that's a-
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Lt Gen Renuart: That's a fair way to describe it?
BG Hammond: I think it's a good (description?)-
Lt Gen Renuart: I think with respect to Iraq, you know, we don't all know what we don't
all know right now, and until we see how General Casey assesses the success of the
elections, and how this - what it (portends?) for the future, and really understand his
recommendation (to?) the secretary, we can't really comment there, and that's probably
as good as it gets for right now.
Tim, does that kind of answer your question?
Q: Yes, sir, it does. Thanks very much.
Lt Gen Renuart: Okay. Any other questions? Well you all are pretty well-behaved today.
I was warmed up for all the worst, but, I appreciate it. If there's something that you think
of in follow-up, get back to Tara, and we'll try to get you whatever information we can.
We appreciate all of your support. You're doing great work.
Q: Well, thank you very much.
~All right, thank you gentlemen, take care, happy holidays.
Q: Merry Christmas.
Q: Merry Christmas.
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Sent: Monday, December 19, 200511:48 AM
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Subject: (Babbin) All the President's Spies
All the President's Spies

By Je.o ..6.{tbJ;lJn
Published 12/19/2005 12:09:32 AM
There are politically motivated criminals in our government who should be unmasked and punished
to the fullest extent of the law. These people have leaked some of our most sensitive secrets and
damaged our national security for no reason other than to discredit President Bush. Forget the Plame
nonsense. That -. according to a CIA assessment -- caused no damage at all. No, I'm talking about the
leaks of the secret CIA detention facilities in Europe and elsewhere where terrorist detainees are kept.
I'm talking about the leak of a top-secret satellite program, apparently by three U.S. senators. And I'm
talking about last week's New York Times report about the NSNs domestic intelligence gathering
effort that's paying off handsomely. Or was, until the leakers told the Times.
Friday, in a report that the White House asked not be published because it could jeopardize ongoing
anti-terrorist operations, the Times revealed that in 2001 the president authorized the National
Security Agency to collect intelligence from conversations routed through the United States and
possibly including people within the United States. And the media feeding frenzy aimed at declaring
George W. Bush a criminal started all over again.
It's pretty clear that NSA's domestic intelligence gathering was -- and is -- legal. But before we get to
that, we have to set the context for this debate correctly, which is more than the Times, the
Washington Post, or any of the other politico-media will do. We need only two dum points to
accomplish that.
First, the last time a war was fought on American soil, the president then didn't merely authorize
intelligence gathering within our borders, he suspended the Mit of habeas corpus for anyone held in
military custody (even though we didn't yet have a base at Gitmo), and declared that anyone opposing
the war would be tried and punished under martial law in military courts. Thank heaven that George
Bush isn't as radical as Abraham Lincoln was when he signed that proclamation in September 1862.
Or as radical as FDR was in interning Japanese citizens in World War II.
Second, the price of inaction in the war against terrorists is too high. We know, from Mansour Ijaz's
accounts and from the admissions Clinton national security adviser Sandy Berger has made in several
interviews, that the Clinton administra,tion turned down Sudan's repeated 1996 offers of bin Laden on
a silver platter because its lawyers didn't believe we had enough evidence to indict him in a U.S.
court. Instead of telling the lawyers to find a way to put OBL out of business, the Clintons took the
easy way out their lawyers had provided and let bin Laden get away. Now, we have a president who
apparently tells his lawyers what Andrew Carnegie once told his.
In what may be an apocryphal story, 19th century industrial baron Carnegie, in a long meeting with
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his planning staff, endured a few "you can't do that" objections from a new lawyer. Carnegie took the
young man into the hall and fed him a dose of reality: "Young man, I don't pay you to tell me what I
can't do. I pay you to tell me how I can do what I want to do." And that sums up President Bush's
approach to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
FISA requires that intelligence gathering regarding conversations to which "U.S. persons" are a party
can only be done pursuant to a search warrant issued (usually in secret) by the special FISA court,
made up of sitting U.S. district court judges and located in the Department of Justice building in
Washington.
Second, the FISA court issues warrants based on findings of probable cause,like other U.S. courts
issuing criminal search warrants. There are too many situations -- like the one we were in before 9-11
-- in which too many possible terrorists are talking to each other and their helpers to sort them out one
by one and get individual warrants. Which is why the law, and the regulations that implement it,
allow the Attorney General to bypass the FISA court.
The regulations implementing FISA clarify the law's exceptions to the requirements for a FISA court
warrant. U.S. Signals Intelligence Directive, dated July 27, 1993, is the primary regulation governing
NSA's operations. It is a secret document. (We at TAS, unlike the NIT, never, ever, disclose
government secrets that may damage national security. What follows is taken from a declassified
version obtained from an open source.)
Under Section 4 of US SID 18, communications which are known to be to or from U.S. persons can't
be intentionally intercepted without: (a) the approval of the FISA court is obtained; OR (b) the
approval of the Attorney General of the United States with respect to "communications to or from
U.S. PERSONS outside the United States...international communications" and other categories of
communications including for the purpose of collecting "significant foreign intelligence information."
USSID 18 goes on to allow NSA to gather intelligence about a U.S. person outside the United States
even without Attorney General sanction in emergencies "when securing the approval of the Attorney
General is not practical because...the time required to obtain such approval would result in the loss of'
significant foreign intelligence and would cause substantial harm to national security."
So FISA itself and USSID 18 provide a lot of swinging room for. what the president ordered. If the
people subjected to the intelligence gathering weren't "U.S. persons," if Attorney General Gonzales
made certain findings (which he did, according to several accounts) and if the NSA went ahead
because it reasonably believed it would lose significant foreign intelligence if it held its hand, the
operation is legal. Period. Everyone who is ranting and raving about illegality has neither the facts
(most of which we don't know) or the law and regulations (which weigh heavily in favor oflegality)
on their side.
In his Saturday radio address, the president said that the NSA program he authorized has been
reviewed over and over, and reauthorized by him more than three dozen times:
The activities I authorized are reviewed approximately every 45 days. Each review is based on a fresh
intelligence assessment of terrorist threats to the continuity of our government and the threat of
catastrophic damage to our homeland. During each assessment, previous activities under the
authorization are reviewed. The review includes approval by our nation's top legal officials, including
the Attorney General and the Counsel to the President. I have reauthorized this program more than 30
times since the September the 11 th attacks, and I intend to do so for as long as our nation faces a
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continuing threat from al Qaeda and related groups.
Illegal? I don't think so. A good idea? No, a great idea. Many of the congressional Dems whining the
loudest about the president breaking the law (such as Sen. Carl Levin, ranking Dem on the Armed
Services Committee) were almost certainly among those who were briefed repeatedly on the program
since it began in 2001. In short, the Dems' objections are as hoIlow as the people shouting them to the
television cameras. Let Congress ask its questions, and answer some as well. (Such as why weren't
they concerned about this when they were briefed on it four years ago?) But let the intelligence be
gathered.
America has lived in the shadow of 9-11 for more than four years. Everyone expects more terrorist
attacks on our shores, but none has yet occurred. One reason for that is probably the NSA domestic
inteIligence gathering program.
We can do a lot, and must do it all. Spying on aliens and some "U.S. persons" here in accordance with
the law, asking our allies to spy on Americans overseas, sharing intelligence gathered abroad with
law enforcement authorities here, and much more. Our Constitution and laws set broad bounds for
intelligence gathering. We should do everything within those bounds. Everything.
TAS contributing editor Jed Babbin is the author oflnside_Jhe Asylum: Why the UN and Old
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Sent: Tuesday, December 20,200512:35 AM
Subject: FW: [Uj RE: THANKS
FYI
I meant to send CC to you.
Does OSD have any problem with the Generals doing live RADIO?
Hope you saw O'Reilly's rerun of SD interview last night.
Tom
Thomas G. McInerney
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Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:21:56 -0800
To: Alston C Donald BG MNFI STRATEFF COMMS DIV Chief cdonald.alston@ I •
Subject: Re: [U] RE: THANKS
Don
Unfortunately the NYT article on NSA is stepping allover the magnificent election you all
just had. It is no accident by the wayl
I was with Tony Snow yesterday and I suggested that it would be good to get some of your
leaders Casey, Dempsey Vines Lynch, yourself on his RADIO SHOW which runs from 0900-1200
EST. This is an ideal way to expand the dialogue.
I always find Radio to be a better medium as you have more time. In addition your people
can do it from a cel phone - no studio required.
Your thoughts?
Tom
Thomas G. McInerney
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> Sir,
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> Great to hear from you, and we've been watching. We appreciate your
> support and your ability to tell this story.
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> We will stay in touch and are ready to move what you need anytime.
> Mer.ry Christmas!

>
> VR,
> Don
>
> From: Thomas McInerney [mailto:tmcinerney ~(b)(6
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:24 PM
> To: Alston C Donald BG MNFI STRATEFF COMMS DIV Chief
> Subject: THANKS
>
> Don
>
> My belated thanks to you and your team during our visit. I have been
> busy trying to get the word out thru TV, Radio and personal
> discussions with anchors and columnists etc.
>
> It was a superb trip and your personal commitment was incredible. I
> talked to Chief about it. He will be your way shortly.
>
> I do a HIT tomorrow at 1320 EST with Brian Wilson. I will follow one
> of your chaps. You all have been doing a great job and Fox has really
> used you all a lot.
>
> CONGRATULATIONS ON THE ELECTION I
>
> I will send you my short summary to Brit Hume and Bill o'Reilly. I did
> Brit but Bill had White House and SEC DEF so maybe next week but I am
> heading for Palm Beach on WED.
>
> Thanks again. BTW SEC DEF invited Bill O'Reilly to visit Iraq which
> was my input. Bill very much wants to go so expect him in March.
>
> Tom
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> Thomas G. McInerney
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Eric: Just checking in. Is there a way to get him on the phone for about 15 minutes before the first of the year?
Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
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Subject: The NSA Domestic Spy Op: loday's Spectator
The NSA, despite what the press is saying, apparently acted legally in conducting domestic intelligence
gathering. What's more, the president was wise to order them to do it.
Jed Babbin
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mIGJ CIV, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
Cc: fUma SG MNFI STRATEFF COMMS DIV Chief
Subject: RE: [Ul RE: Any analysis outcomes?
m -. once again my sincere thanks for the great hospitality and congratulations on what has been an unbelievable
outcome. You guys are making history.
Dallas had asked us to give a rough summary of out work since we departed. I have been really busy but best I can tell 1
did nine interviews while I was in Iraq for CBS network radio, a TV broadcast on Up To the Minute, about a dozen "two
way" live interviews with various CBS affiliate stations around the country (New York, Charlotte, Seattle, Los Angeles, St.
Louis, San Antonio, and a bu nch more I cannot remember.... ), a couple of additional interviews for the CBS national news,
and a pod broadcast for the website...whew....
In many ways this was totally a derivative of being able to get a first hand impression of what was happening on the ground
in the run up to the elections.
Anything else J can do for you -- just call or email.
Jeff
Jeffrey D. McCausland, PhD
Director, Leadership in Conflict Initiative
Dickinson College
233 Louther Street
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Subject: PN: [U] RE: Any analysis outcomes?
Gentlemen - On behalf of Brig Gen Alston he wanted to insure that you received a copy of our Media Operations Center
update. Congratulations to the Iraqi people and thank you for your support.
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Sent: Thursday.ember 15, 200510:45 PM
To:rGltld MAJ MNFI STRATEFF COMMS ON
Subject: FW: [UJ RE: Any analysis outc0n:tes?
Rick,
Pis pass this to the military analysts. Already sent to Bob Maginnis.
Thanks.
COA
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From: tmcinerney@mm
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 200510:08 PM
To: RUff, Eric, SES, OASD~PA
SUbject: Re: FOX NEWS HIT AT 1320 18 DEC 05
Eric
I will try tomorrow.Doesnm't always work.
Tom
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Re: FOX NEWS HIT AT 1320 18 DEC OS

Feel free to use the japan germany anecdote, if you get the opportunity. Didn't get to
use it last time w/britt, I noticed. Good luck.
From: Thomas McInerney
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; (b)(6) CIV, OABD-PA
Sent: Sun Dec 18 07:15:49 2005
Subject: FOX NEWS HIT AT 1320 18 DEC 05
Eric et al
I am doing a Hit tomorrow at 133.0 on Fox News.
Tom
Thomas G. McInerney
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From: Major Andy Messing [ndcf@li)llij •

Sent: Friday, December 16 200511:10 AM
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Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA;
george murray; LTG(ret) Mcinerney
Subject: Fw: Please read
Importance: High
> Dear Friends ...
> This is my Op-Ed in todays Washington Times ... my thoughts from my
> trip to IRAQ last week ... which I reflected on FOX News TV too, two days ago ...
> Best Regards, ANDY
>
>
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > WINNING IN SLOW MOTION
> > By F. Andy Messing Jr.
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > An open secret among the military is that the operational plan to
> > invade
> Iraq was remiss in outlining an effective and robust program of civic
action
> and civil affairs.
> This would have brought the populace off its knees by providing
organization
> and assets, establishing the sincerity and benevolence of the
> occupying forces. Besides failing to do this, the blanket disbanding
> of the Iraqi security forces made recovery a costly and protracted
> affair. Accordingly, saying that we had a slow start is being
> extremely polite. As we move
toward
> $500 billion spent and 2,500 of our valuable soldiers killed in action
> (KIA), the race is on to see if the American people will hang onto the
> notion America can push democracy into a void, regardless of the
> weapons
of
> mass destruction issue.
> > Many military briefers use Vietnam-era jargon like "body counts"
> > to
> describe the situation, albeit with modern PowerPoint. But one general
> radically departs from that. The 3rd Infantry Division commander,Maj. Gen.
> William G. "Fuzzy" Webster interlaces his comments with quotes from
> psychologists Abraham Maslow's "Hierarchy of Needs" and B.F. Skinner's
> behavioral concepts, highlighting how providing clean water and sewage
> systems reduces violence. He states that in more than a year in Iraq,
> he
has
> not fired artillery or called in air strikes in his area of operation.
> His division has taken to heart the concept "make no more enemies i , in
> a constituency that encompasses more than 7 million people.
> > He segues into how his combat ready troopers will be aiding
> > newly
> trained Iraqi Security Forces to ensure a safe election. This is a
positive
> departure from the ideas espoused in our military schools, such as "we
> are here to just break things," that a gullible and naive U.S.
> Congress incorporated into military training in past decades. This
> metamorphosis reflects a seminal change in military thinking about
> warfare in the 21st century. One officer says, "It seems that the
> military is the only part of our government on a war footing," which
> could explain why an infantry commander has had to become sensitive to
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> the situation, and i; wearing multiple hats. The result of this new
> thinking is, as one Marine officer involved in civic acti9n in
> Fallujah says, "progress is slow, but we have progress. It isn't all about killing bad
guys .. " .
> Despite this progress, some of the American military retains its
antiquated
> thinking. The new Iraqi military is being trained to mirror our
conventional
> forces, complete with "infantry combat divisions" designed mainly to
> break things. While security is paramount, it will require more than
> just a hard fist ? it will also require a helping open hand.
> In El Salvador, where our military influence succeeded in the 1980s,
> we spent a major proportion of our time instructing the military, and
> later
the
> police, on human rights, civic action and civil affairs. The dividend
> was enormous and led to a diminution of conflict. Fortunately, other
> segments
of
> the Coalition effort and Iraqi citizens' own initiatives are picking
> up·
the
> pace in Iraq, with thousands of helpful projects completed and
> thousands more being planned and implemented. The combined effort has
> led to lower unemployment, the expansion of education and health
> services, and the
growth
> of basic security. However, much of this effort is in slow motion,
> some barely visible to the naked eye, mixed in with a few clear
> failures to
learn
> from. The administration's efforts to inform the American public, as
> the Reagan administration did on the controversial Contra movement,
> will be an important measure of progress in Iraq.
> Initially it appeared the Iraq effort was akin to putting a size 13
> foot into a size 7 shoe, but the energy and resources being put into
> this fledgling democracy, is in effect, reducing the disparity in
> size. Our flag-draped caskets prove the sincerity of our physical and
> intellectual effort. Furthermore, reduction in forces need not be
> viewed as a lessening of American commitment ? providing quantity of
> effort is matched by
quality
> of effort? as Iraq transitions into a self-sustaining mode.
> The political investment by president Bush may yet make him the
> Abraham Lincoln of the 21st century, if he can convince the American
> public to
hang
> tough. Failure to do so will trigger a cascade of turmoil costing a
hundred
> times more then our current investment, with "evil doers" running
> unfettered.
> >
> F. Andy Messing Jr. is a retired Special Forces major who served in El
> Salvador, Grenada and Vietnam. He has just returned from his third
> trip to Iraq since 1991. He is executive director of the National
> Defense Council Foundation, which has placed 142 tons of medicine in
> 13 countries in conflict, including Iraq.</i>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > This article was mailed from The Washington Times
> (http://www.washingtontimes.com/commentary/20051215-092212-4259r.htm)
> > For more great articles, visit us at http://www.washingtontimes.com
> >
> > Copyright (c) 200S News World Communications, Inc. All rights reserved.
>
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From:' Thomas McInerney (tmcinerney~
Sent: Friday, December 16, 200511:29 AM
Subject: Re: BRIT HUME'S SHOW TONIGHT AT 1820.
Eric
HOME RUN!!!!
Congratu lations!
Of the President, Condi and SD he was the most articulate in the last two days.
His detractors are going to be very angry.
Tom
Voice: (b)(2)
Cell: (b)(2)
Fax:
tom, the sd invited o'reilly to iraq between segments of the show tonight. i wasn't there but j've gotten word a few
minutes ago. thanks for the suggestion. sounds like the interview focused primarily on today's elections. will know
more at 8 p.m. thanks again. eric
From: Thomas McInerney [mailto:tmcinerney~
sent: Wednesday, December 14, 20056:09 AM
Subject: Re: BRIT HUME'S SHOW TONIGHT AT 1820.
Eric
I intend to use your quote from the academy about Germany and Japan if you
don't object.
Tom
great, tom. I'll be pedaling hard in the poac and paying very close attention! thanks, and
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thanks for making the trip. eric
From: tmcinerney@tilTld [mailto:tmcinerney~
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 1:07PM
Subject: BRIT HUME'S SHOW TONIGHT AT 1820.
Eric
I am on Brit Hume's show tonight around '1820 plus or minus.
TOM
Thomas G. McInerney
Lt Gen USAF Retired
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From: Thomas Mcinerney [tmcinerney
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:21 AM
SUbject: Re: BRIT HUME'S SHOWTONIGHT AT 1820.
Eric
THANK YOU
SD will come off great and he should TODAY. WHAT A DAY!!!
GO D BLESS YOU ALL!
Tom
tom, the sd invited o'reilly to iraq between segments of the Show tonight. i wasn't there but i've
gotten word a few minutes ago. thanks for the suggestion. sounds like the interview focused
primarily on today's elections. will know more at 8 p.m, thanks again. eric
-----Original Message----- .
From: Thomas McInerney [mailto:tmcinerney@~
sent: Wednesday, December 14, 20056:09 AM
SUbject: Re: BRrr HUME'S SHOW TONIGHT AT 1820.
Eric
I intend to use your quote from the academy about Germany

and Japan if you don't object.
Tom
great, tom. i'li be pedaling hard in the poac and paying very
close attention! thanks, and thanks for making the trip. eric
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From: tmcinerney@(WIW. . . .
[mailto :tmcinerney •(b)(6)
Subject: BRIT HUME'S SHOW TONIGHT AT 1820.
Eric
I am on Brit Hume's show tonight around 1820 plus or minus.
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TOM
Thomas G. McInerney
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From: • • MAJ MNFI STRATEFF COMMS DIV [richard.moon@!ri].IRj.n• • •

Sent: Thursday, December 15, 20054:01 PM
To: •
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; COL(Ret) Allard; COL(Ret) McCausland; CSM(Ret)
rmmlW Ruff, Eric, SES, OASO.PA; LTC(Ret) Jed Babbin: LTG(ret) Mcinerney; Maj(Ret)
Messing
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Subject: FW: [U] RE: Any analysis outcomes?
Attachments: [U] STRATEFF Media Ops Center //Iraqi Elections SITREP #14//2100
Gentlemen - On behalf of Brig Gen Alston he wanted to insure that you received a copy of our Media Operations
Center update. Congratulations to the Iraqi people and thank you for your support.
Maj~
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From: Alston C Donald BG MNFI STRATEFF COMMS DIV Chief
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:45 PM
To:tiMCi MAJ MNA STRATEFF COMMS OIV
Subject: FW: [UJ RE: Any analysis outcomes?
tlMl31
Pis pass this to the military analysts. Already sent to Bob Maginnis.
Thanks.
COA
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From: • • AFIS~HQ/PIA. •
To: Ruff, Eric, SES OASD-PA
SUbject: RE: media ana{ysts
I apologize. I am only just now seeing this message. I need to do better checking.
··_--Original Message---
From: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA [mailtO:Eric.Ruff@BlTlil
Sent: . a .mber 15, 2005 7;08 AM
To: • • AFIS-HQ/PIA
Cc: SFC, OASD-PA
Subject: media analysts
trnmtl can you please compile all the statements of the military analysts that have come out since the trip. need it by
1030 a.m. for a meeting today. thanks.
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From:
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Paul Vallely [paulvalleIY@flllnm~llH;t• • •
Sent: Thursday, December 15,200512:16 PM
Cc: 'Paul Vallely'
SUbject: A New AI-Qaeda Focus on Israel
The US needs to get on top of this immediately with greater Middle East strategy
less we get caught short Close hold but releasable through selected sourcesl
Pv .
For the first time, Israeli defense experts are noting that groups identifying with
al-Qaeda - or the global jihad - are determined to acquire operational footholds
close to Israel's borders. The most dramatic sign was the November 9, 2005, suicide
bombing of three Jordanian hotels in Amman by "al-Qaeda Mesopotamia" - the
organization led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Militant Islamic websites immediately
announced: "After the attack in the heart of Jordan, it will soon be possible to reach
Jewish .:targets in Israel."
* AI-Qaeda operations around Israel are becoming more prominent. In August

2005, an al-Qaeda rocket strike at the Jordanian Red Sea port of Aqaba also
reached the Israeli resort town of Eilat. To Israel's south, a growing al-Qaeda
presence in Sinai led to attacks on Israeli tourists in Taba and other coastal resorts
in October 2004, followed by a major bombing at a hotel in Sharm ai-Sheikh in July'
2005. Sinai has also served as a rear base for the beginning of an al-Qaeda presence
in the Gaza Strip. Zarqawi's terrorist network formally joined al-Qaeda in October
2004.
* Ayman al-Zawahiri, the deputy head of al-Qaeda, has encouraged Zarqawi to
extend his jihad in Iraq to neighboring states (i.e., Jordan and Syria), where there
are already Increasing signs of jihadi activity. In the next stage, Zawahiri envisions
"the clash with Israel." The head of Israeli military intelligence, Maj.-Gen. Aharon
Zeevi (Farkash), concluded recently: "We are not a high priority [for al-Qaeda], but
our prioritization for them is increasing."
* Many Western sourceS are convinced that Zarqawi was training his recruits in
the use of toxins, including poisons and chemical weapons, at the Herat training camp
in Afghanistan. In 2004, a Zarqawi associate named Azmi al-Jailusi confessed to
trying to set off a chemical explosion in central Amman, near the headquarters of
Jordanian intelligence, which had the potential to kill 80,000 people. In April 2005,
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the U.S. Department of Homeland Security warned that recurrent U.S. intelligence
reports indicated that Zarqawi was seeking to obtain a "radiological explosive."
". It would be a cardinal error for Israel to conclude that after the U.S. war in
Iraq, the region to Israel's east is moving in the direction of greater stability and,
therefore, Israel can take the risk of conceding its strategic assets in the West
Bank. Zarqawi now wants to destabilize Jordan, but clearly seeks to target Israel as
well. Dismissing the value of Israel's security fence, Zarqawi's organization has
declared: "the separation wall...will feel.the might of the mujahidin," hinting that
Israel could face the Same waves of insurgent volunteers that have entered Iraq.
Were Israel to withdraw from the strategic barrier it controls in the Jordan Valley~
then Israeli vulnerability could very well attract more global jihadi elements to
Jordan, who would seek to use the kingdom as a platform to reach the West Bank
and then Israel.
For the first time, Israeli defense experts are noting that groups identifying with
al-Qaeda - or the global jihad - are determined to acquire operational footholds
close to Israel's borders.1 The most dramatic sign of this development was the
November 9,2005, suicide bombing of three Jordanian hotels in Amman by "al
Qaeda Mesopotamia" - the organization led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the Jordanian
insurgency leader fighting the U.S. in Iraq. Militant Islamic websites immediately
announced: "After the attack in the heart of Jordan, it will soon be possible to reach
Jewish targets in Israel."2 Dismissing the value of Israel's security fence, Zarqawi's
website declared that the "separation wall...will feel the might of the mujahidin."3
This implied that his insurgent volunteers that had been used in Iraq might also be
employed against Israel. as well.
Earlier, in August 2005, an al-Qaeda rocket strike in the Jordanian Red Sea port of
Aqaba also reached the Israeli resort town of Eilat. To Israel's south, a growing al
Qaeda presence in Sinai led to attacks on Israeli tourists in Taba and other coastal
resorts in October 2004, followed by a major bombing at a hotel in Sharm ai-Sheikh
in July 2005. The al-Qaeda presence is based in central Sinai, which serves as the
rear base for al-Qaeda's entry into the Gaza Strip.
AI-Qaeda's Changing Priorities

Until recently, Israel was not a high-priority target for al-Qaeda and its affiliate
organizations that have embraced its goals of worldwide jihad. AI-Qaeda was formed
in Afghanistan after the Soviet defeat in 1989 by the various mujahidin groups who
were emboldened by their victory over a superpower and hence sought to carry their
war to other arenas. Given its geographic location, however, the early al-Qaeda was
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more involved in militant Islamic struggles in Chechnya, Kashmir, and against the
Taliban's Afghan rivals in the Northern Alliance - but not in the war against Israel.
As Arab rulers in the heartland of the Middle East succeeded in suppressing Islamic
militant movements, al-Qaeda began to plan to strike at the "Far Enemylf (i.e., the
U.S.), since the "Near Enemy" (the Arab regimes) was still too strong.4 With Osama
bin Laden obsessed in the 1990s with the idea of evicting the U.S. from Saudi
Arabia, America very quickly became his primary target. Israel, according to Bernard
Lewis, was at best a third priority.5
A New AI-Qaeda Focus on Israel
This began to change as al-Qaeda perpetrated a hotel bombing and a missile attack
on an Israeli Arkia airliner in Mombassa, Kenya, in November 2002. But the greatest
factor behind the new focus of the global jihad on Israel has been the war in Iraq
led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, which has created a new center for radical Islamic
militancy in the Middle East itself. Thus, Zarqawi wrote in 2004: "Among the
greatest positive elements of this arena [Iraq] is that it is jihad in the Arab
heartland." For Zarqawi, the main battle of Islamic militancy was to be fought here
and not in the Hindu-Kush mountains bordering Pakistan, India, China, and
Afghanistan: "the true, decisive battle between infidelity and Islam is in this land,
i.e., in [Greater] Syria and its surroundings." A U.S. counterterrorism official has
concluded that Zarqawi's real goal is to establish a single Islamic state throughout
the Levant, from Turkey down to Egypt.6 Like other radical Islamist groups, he is
part of the movement to destabilize and then replace present Arab regimes with a
new caliphate. Zarqawi's goals merged with those of al-Qaeda when he pledged his
allegiance to Osama bin Laden in October 2004 and formally made his Jama'at al
Tawhid wa ai-Jihad part of the global al-Qaeda network.
Zarqawi's shift of focus to the heartland of the Middle East has received the full
blessing of the al-Qaeda leadership. On October 11, 2005, the U.S. Director of
National Intelligence, Ambassador John D. Negroponte, released an intercepted
letter dated July 9, 2005, from Ayman al-Zawahiri, the deputy head of al-Qaeda, to
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in Iraq. Praising this relocation of the global jihad to the Arab
heartland, Zawahiri lays out for Zarqawi the next desirable stages of the jihad in
Iraq, from the standpoint of al-Qaeda. After defeating the U.S., Zawahiri wants to
see Zarqawi "extend the jihad to the secular countries neighboring Iraq (i.e., Jordan
and Syria). Indeed, Jordanian authorities were told a few months later in October
2005 that documents found on a dead Zarqawi operative in Iraq indicated that·
orders had been given to begin to move into neighboring countries.?
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But Zawahiri's recommended strategy did not stop there. ~n the next stage, he
envisions "the clash with Israel."8 From Zarqawi'$ own past behavior, this newly
emerging focus on Israel was already being implemented in mid-2001 when, according'
to the U.S. Treasury, Zarqawi received funds apparently from Hizballah "for work in
Palestine," including "finding a mechanism that would enable more suicide martyrs to
enter Israel."9 It should have come as no surprise when on February 15, 2002,
Turkish police intercepted two Palestinians and a Jordanian who had been dispatched
by Zarqawi to conduct bombing attacks in Israel.10 Additionally, at the global level,
al-Qaeda has intensified its interest in attacking Israel. As the head of Israeli ,
military intelligence, Maj.-Gen. Aharon Zeevi (Farkash), concluded recently: "We are
not a high priority [for al-Qaeda], but our prioritization for them is increasing."11
Zarqawi the Jordanian
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, as his name implies, waS born in 1966 in the Jordanian town of
al-Zarqa, some fifteen miles northeast of Amman. His real name was Ahmad Fadhil;
he took on the name al-Zarqawi during his second stay in Afghanistan. His family
belonged to the al-Khalailah tribe, a branch of the Banu Hassan, a large
Transjordanian Bedouin tribe known for its loyalty to the Hashemite Royal Family.12
He waS not a Palestinian, as some initial reports suggested. The radicalization of the
pro-Hashemite East Bank Bedouin in Zarqa'and nearby Salt with militant Islam has
been attributed by Arab observers to the control of the Jordanian Education
Ministry that King Hussein granted to the Muslim Brotherhood, as an expression of
his appreciation for their support of the Hashemite monarchy during the Black
September clashes with the PLO in 1970.13
This helped set the stage a decade later for the spread of Salafi groups in northern
Jordan, with their rigid rejection of any innovations in what they thought was the
purist Islam of the seventh century and their deep anti-Westernism, and spawned
the adoption of violence by many of their offshoots. Salafism is the more generic
term for all such movements including the Wahhabis, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hizb
ut-Tahrir, and similar North African organizations. Zarqa, for example, became a
base for radical preachers like Sheikh Nasr ai-Din al-Albani, who was educated in
Syria but became a prominent scholar at the Islamic University of Medina in Saudi
Arabia, where he maintained close ties with the Wahhabi establishment, despite
some disagreements over ritual questions.14
When Zarqawi first went off to Afghanistan in 1989 in order to join the struggle of
the mujahidin against the Soviet Union, 'the war had already come to an end by the
time he arrived. He nonetheless remained until 1993. What was significant for his
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religious transformation was his meeting in Pakistan wit'h Sheikh Abu Muhammad al
Maqdisi, who would become his most important spiritual mentor. Maqdisi was a
Palestinian who emigrated from the West Bank to Kuwait, and as a young follower of
Salafism he eventually made his way to Saudi Arabia. He was employed in Mecca by
the Muslim World League, the great global Wahhabi charity.15 From Afghanistan,'
Maqdisi would not be able to return to Kuwait, whose Palestinian population of
250,000 had been expelled after the 1991 Gulf War. Over 150,000 of the Palestinian
Kuwaitis moved to Zarqa, bringing to Jordan conservative religious traditions from
the Gulf region and transforming the population.16
Zarqawi joined forces with Maqdisi in Jordan and sought to recruit Jordanian Afghan'
veterans: both were imprisoned in 1994 for possessing illegal weapons. After a royal
amnesty was given by the newly crowned King Abdullah in 1999, both were released
from prison after having erected a jihadi network in Jordan while they were
incarcerated. But while they were in prison, Zarqawi waS able to command greater
support than Maqdisi from young Jordanian jihadis; Zarqawi would argue that he was
a pure Transjordanian - and not a Palestinian like Maqdisi - and hence had more
legitimacy in Jordan to challenge the Hashemites. Maqdisi would criticize Zarqawi
for turning away from the Palestinian cause and preferring other jihadi priorities.17
Zarqawi did not stay in Jordan, but rather moved back to Pakistan and ultimately to
Afghanistan in 1999. In 2001, he took an oath of allegiance to Osama bin Laden, but
subsequently he seemed to have a major falling out with al-Qaeda on doctrinal
issues.18 AI-Qaeda wanted to launch the global jihad against the "Far Enemy" - i.e.,
the U.S. In contrast, Zarqawi preferred to focus efforts against the "Near Enemy"
in the Middle East, especially the Jordanian government. The Taliban leader, Mullah
Omar, asked Zarqawi to set up his own training camp near the Afghan city of Herat,
which was close to the Iranian border, and a good distance from al-Qaeda"s training
camps that were closer to Pakistan.
At the Herat training camp Zarqawi established his own group called Jund ai-Sham
(the Army of the Levant), whose name gave away the territorial focus of his
interests.l9 Unlike al-Qaeda's training camps, which were mostly made up of Saudis,
Yemenis, and Egyptians, Zarqawi's recruits came from the countries of the Levant,
namely Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and the Palestinian areas.20 Many of his Jordanian
followers came from Zarqa or Salt. This became the core of the Zarqawi network.
Its initial aims, besides overthrowing the Hashemite monarchy, were to attack Israel
as well as ·Jewish targets in Europe.21
Non-Conventional Terrorism
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Two other features of Zarqawi's second period in Afghanistan are worth noting.
First, many Western Sources were convinced that already at the Herat training
camp, Zarqawi was interested in training his recruits in the use of toxins, including
poisons and chemical weapons.22 This point was reiterated by former U.S. Secretary
of State Colin Powell on February 5, 2003, before the UN Security Council.
According to Powell, with the U.S. defeat of the Taliban, Zarqawi transplanted his
training camp - with its specialization in poisons - from Herat to Iraq; Kurdistan,
where he joined forces with the radical KurdiSh Islamist group Ansar ai-Islam.
. Powell specifically reported that the training camp was working with ricin, a
poisonous biological agent. Powell added that another Zarqawi operative, caught at
the Iraqi-Saudi border, admitted that he was trained in the Herat camp in the use of
cyanide. Powell further argued that parts of the Zarqawi network fled from
Afghanistan to the Pankisi Gorge and Chechnya; he explained that "their goal was to
kill Russians with toxins."23 While the U.S. Senate's Select Committee on
Intelligence would subsequently find fault with aspects of Powell's presentation of
U.S. pre-war intelligence on Iraq, it did not attack the terrorism p~rtions of his
speech.
There were good reasons why some of Powell's key terrorism charges had to be taken
seriously. In 2004, a Zarqawi associate named Azmi al-Jailusi testified in a Jordanian
court: At Herat I started training for Abu Musab. The training included handling
1\
high-level explosives and learning about poisons. I then took an oath of allegiance to
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and agreed to work with him without asking any questions."24
What made this statement particularly important was that al-Jailusi had just
confessed to trying to set off a chemical explosion in central Amman on April 24,
2004, near the headquarters of Jordanian intelligence (GID). The blast was
estimated to have had the potential to kill 80,000 people. In other words, Zarqawi's
interest in biological and chemical weapons, which began in Herat, would become a
hallmark of his network years later.
Additionally, there was repeated evidence that Zarqawi's network was seeking
nuclear or radiological devices for terrorism. On April 20,2005, the U.S.
Department of Homeland Security published a "National Terror Alert" warning:
"Recurrent intelligence reports say al-Qaeda terrorist Abu Musab Zarqawi has
obtained a nuclear device or is preparing a radiological explosive - or dirty bombs
for an attack, according to U.S. officials, who say analysts are unable to gauge the
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reliability of the information's sources."25
Indeed, in January 2005, German security agents arrested two al-Qaeda operatives
for allegedly planning a suicide attack with a "dirty bomb." According to a German
federal prosecutor, one of the terrorists was attempting to obtain uranium from a
group in Luxembourg.26 Whether the operatives were associated with the global al
Qaeda organization or with Zarqawi's network alone, however, was not specified.
In seeking to employ weapons of mass destruction, Zarqawi was operating in a manner

consistent with the parent organization with which his network was affiliated - al
Qaeda. The 9/11 Commission Report, which was o'~herwise critical of some of the
Bush administration's assumptions in the war on terrorism, nevertheless warned: "al_
Qaeda had an ambitious biological weapons program and was making progress in its
ability to produce anthrax prior to September 11." Similarly, the report on Britain's
pre-war intelligence by Lord Butler specifically echoed the concern of the British
defense establishment that Zarqawi's sleeper cells in Baghdad, established prior to
the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, would seek chemical and biological weapons.27 Zarqawi
was clearly moving in the direction of employing non-conventional terrorism.
Zarqawi and Iran
There is a second feature of Zarqawi's stay in Afghanistan until 2001 that is worth
noting. Because he was situated specifically in Herat when U.S. and Northern Alliance
forces defeated the Taliban regime, unlike many al-Qaeda operatives who fled
eastward to Pakistan, Zarqawi made his way westward to the closest bordering
country, Iran, presumably because he was determined to set up a new center of
operations in the remote, mountainous regions of eastern Iraqi Kurdistan. This was
not the first time that someone associated with the al-Qaeda network would receive
safe passage through Iran; the 9/11 Commission Report disclosed that eight to ten
of the nineteen hijackers involved in the 9/U attacks traveled through Iran between
October 2000 and February 2001.28 Some also met with senior Hizballah members in
Beirut.29 Thus, despite the wide ideological gulf that existed between Salafi
terrorists and the revolutionary Shiite regime in Iran, some kind of coordination
between them was pOSSible.
While information about these links is often fragmentary, some revelations about
Zarqawi's period in Iran have been reported in the Arab press. Thus, it has been
suggested that during his stay in Iran, ,Zarqawi visited training camps run by Iran's
clerical army, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), and received logistical
support from its Qods Force paramilitary unit. The revelations, which are said to
have come from Ornar Bizani, a key Zarqawi lieutenant apprehended by Iraqi security
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forces, also paint the Zarqawi network as a terrorist competitor to al-Qaeda, with
its regional role, according to this analysis, actively being encouraged and nurtured
by Iran.30 The German political magazine Cicero, using documents from the German
Federal Office of Criminal Investigation (BKA) and other information from other
intelligence services, backed this assertion when it determined that Iran "provided
al~Zarqawi with logistical support on the part of the state."31 Other investigations
conducted in Spain, Italy, and Germany into the operations of the Zarqawi network in
Europe several years ago have traced it back to Tehran, according to various court
documents.32
After leaving Iran, Zarqawi joined forces for a time in late 2002 with Ansar al
Islam, the militant Islamist organization that was situated in a cluster of villages in
the mountainous regions of Kurdistan, along the Iran-Iraq border. After U.S. special
forces destroyed the Ansar ai-Islam camps in March 2003, its members fled to Iran
where they trained and planned operations over the Iraqi border. According to
Kurdish intelligence sources, Iran continued to supply Ansar ai-Islam and its ally, Aba
Musab al-Zarqawi, smuggling supplies for the insurgency against the U.S. and its
coalition partners.33 In this way, the Zarqawi-Iran connection was maintained from
his retreat from Afghanistan to his arrival in Iraq.
The critical point is that there is considerable evidence that Zarqawi may have
developed an Iranian connection for financial and logistical support. It was not the
first time Shiite Iran reached out to radical Sunni terrorist organizations. For years,
Iran has sponsored Palestinian Islamist groups, particularly Islamic Jihad but also
Hamas, as well. Iran had a constant interest to reach out beyond the Shiite Islamic
communities of the Middle East to the much wider Sunni Muslim world, and Zarqawi
had objective needs that could be met by Iran. Unlike Osama bin Laden, who could
fall back on his own family's wealth and the backing of both Saudi charities and
individuals, Zarqawi came from a poor background in Jordan. To wage his terrorist
campaign, he needed state backing from somewhere. Indeed, AI-Sharq al-Awsat
wrote in May 2004 that the Iranians had offered Zarqawi about $900,000 and
explosives.34 The same Arabic source reported in August that Brig.-Gen. Qassem
Suleimani of the Revolutionary Guards was asked why Iran backs Zarqawi, given his
attacks on Shiites. Suleimani reportedly answered that Zarqawi's actions serve the
interests of Iran by undermining the emergence of a pro-U.S. government in Iraq.35
Journalists were not the only ones asserting an Iranian tie to Zarqawi and the'Sunni
insurgency. In late December 2004, Hazim al-Shaalan, Iraq's interim defense
minister, also charged that Iran and Syria were aiding Zarqawi's insurgent forces in
Iraq.36 Al-Shaalan explained to AI-Sharq al-Awsat that the interrogation of one of
the head operatives of al-Qaeda in Iraq, who had been captured, revealed that al-
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Qaeda recruits were undergoing military training in Iran by the Revolutionary

'Guards; the captured al-Qaeda operative claimed that he served as an intermediary
between al-Qaeda in Iran and Zarqawi in Iraq, to,whom he delivered messages.37
There was another underlying logic to the Zarqawi-Iranian link: The resupply line for
the insurgency in Iraq's Sunni triangle clearly came through Syria. Volunteers would
arrive in Damascus and then be transported to the Syria-Iraqi border. How could one
of the heads of the Iraq insurgency, Zarqawi, enjoy close operational relations with
Damascus, but not have a similar working relationship with Syria's major strategic
ally - Iran?
It is difficult to ascertain the veracity of all the reports about the Zarqawi-Iranian
connection. A November 15, 2005, Congressional Research Service report entitled
"Iran's Influence in Iraq" by Kenneth Katzman did not reach a' decisive conclusion on
the matter. On the one hand, the report read: "Iranian support to Sunni Muslim
.insurgents in Iraq, such as foreign volunteers commanded by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi,
would not appear to fit Iran's political strategy in Iraq." But then the report
suggests, "On the other hand, some believe that Iran might want to support Sunni
insurgents for no other purpose than to cause harm to the U.S. military in Iraq."
What is clear is that Zarqawi and the Iranians have had many opportunities to
communicate directly in the past, and could have established a strategic partnership
if they found it in their interests. It is important to remember that historically,
terrorist organizations and their state supporters are rarely true allies; their
relationships are usually tactical and contain enormous tnutual suspicion. Up until now,
Iran has used the Shiite Hizballah and Sunni Palestinian groups like Islamic Jihad and
Hamas in order to wage a proxy war against Israel. It would be a mistake to rule out
the possibility that Iran may seek to open another front with Israel from the east.
using the Zarqawi networks. Should such a situation develop, Israel would be facing a
completely different strategic situation on its eastern border.
The Radicalization of Jordan and Its Implications

There are serious implications for Israel in the future from the growth of al-Qaeda
related terrorism, as exemplified by the attacks of the Zarqawi network in Jordan.
After the November 2005 suicide attacks on three hotels in Amman, King Abdullah
stressed that this was the work of Iraqis and not Jordanians. The Western press
went out of its way to emphasize how Jordanian opinion had turned against terrorist
groups that would kill innocent Jordanian civilians. This analysis, however, tended to
paper over the radicalization that segments of Jordanian society had undergone as a
result of the Iraq War.
For example, a poll by the Pew Global Attitudes Project in mid-2005 revealed that 60
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percent of Jordanians expressed a lot or some confidence .in Osama bin Laden.38 In
comparison, in Morocco, only 26 percent responded the same way, and in Lebanon just
two percent were willing to expresS support for bin Laden. More worrying was that
Jordanian sympathy for bin Laden waS increasing in comparison with Pew's findings in
2003, while such sympathy was decreasing at the same time in Morocco, Lebanon, and
Turkey.39
The radicalization of Jordanian opinion has many sources. Some attribute it to the
Iraq War; if "that is the case, then as the Sunni insurgency in Iraq persists, the
process of radicalization is likely to continue, even if there was a discernable
downturn after the November bombings in Amman. But even prior to the U.S. invasion
of Iraq, Zarqawi was not a unique phenomenon in northern Jordan. In the late 1990s,
it had been reported that 500 men from Zarqa and the adjacent Palestinian refugee
camp were in Afghanistan fighting with the Taliban.40 Neighboring Salt has
contributed even more mujahidin that have been killed in Iraq than Zarqa, including
the suicide bomber who murdered 125 Shiites in one attack on February 28,2005.41
What is striking is "that many of these volunteers came from the same
Transjordanian Bedouin background as Zarqawi.
In the past, radical challenges to the Hashemite regime emanated from the
Palestinian population in Jordan. With the spread of Islamic militancy in Jordan, the
Hashemites are now facing an added internal threat from the direction of those who
had been its most important pillars of support. Of course, Transjordanians had been
involved in the Muslim Brotherhood in the past, but they were primarily active in its
pragmatic wing that worked with the Jordanian government.42 What changed was
their entry into the world of SaJafi jihadists. This began to be noticeable in 1993,
when Jordanian security forces uncovered a plot by Hizb ut-Tahrir to assassinate
King Hussein. Radical Islamists set off bombs in cinemas in Amman and Zarqa in
1994.43
But now there was a danger of this activity becoming more widespread. Jordanian
security officials have estimated that recently 500 Jordanians have been arrested
for links with al-Qaeda.44 Indeed, according to a report in the London Sunday Times,
Jordanian security sources believed that the Iraqi suicide bombers who attacked in
Amman received help from Jor.danian soldiers.45 If the report is true, it means that
Zarqawi's network had penetrated the Jordanian defense establishment in a manner
reminiscent of al-Qaeda's recruitment of members of the Saudi National Guard.
Jihadi Networks in Saudi Arabia and Syria: Destabilizing the Eastern Front
In short, Jordan faces multiple challenges to its security. It hosts nearly half a
million Iraqi refugees, some of whom could be recruited for jihadi activities. Its
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border with the Sunni portions of Iraq is relatively porous.46 In addition, Jordan will
undoubtedly be affected by developments within two other neighbors - Syria to the
north and Saudi Arabia to the south. Saudi clashes with local al-Qaeda cells have
become a regular occurrence since May 2003. Syria, which serves as the main conduit
for the mUjahidin fighting for the insurgency in Iraq, is paying a price for this rore.
Reports of clashes between Syrian security forces and Islamist groups like Jund al
Sham are becoming more frequent.47 Jund ai-Sham was recently singled out by the
head of Israeli military intelligence, Maj.-Gen. Aharon Zeevi (Farkash), who
described it as "al-Qaeda-Syria."48 It may not be a coincidence that this was the
exact name of Zarqa~i's organization at his Afghan training camp in 2000.
Indeed, Zarqawi had spent several months in Syria between May and September
2002, setting up jihadi networks and using it as his rear base for regional
operations.49 The 2002 murder of U.S. diplomat Laurence Foley appears to have
been organized by the Zarqawi network from Syria, which was also the source of
repeated infiltration efforts into the Jordanian kingdom by extremists transporting
explosives and weapons; Syrians from Zarqawi's network were involved in the
attempted chemical attack in Amman in April 2004. By August, Jordan's prime
minister was openly charging the Syrians with creating an "unacceptable" situation.50
As the regime of Syrian President Bashar ai-Assad becomes further isolated and
embattled by the pressures of the international community due to its involvement in
the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafiq al-Hariri it cannot be
I
ruled out that militant Islamic elements, that have grown with the Syrian
involvement in Iraq, will become emboldened. All this will have implications for
Jordan.
Jordan has one of the best intelligence services in the Arab world, particularly in
response to domestic challenges. But as the threat to its domestic stability comes
from outside its porous borders with Iraq or Syria or even Saudi Arabia, Jordan will
have a far more difficult time contending with the threat of terrorism. In the past,
Israel could be certain that if there was a violent organization determined to attack
it from Jordanian territory, the Hashemites would not permit their kingdom to be
exploited for such purposes. With the spread of al-Qaeda-related terrorism
throughout the countries neighboring Jordan, the kingdom's capacity to block such
attacks may be reduced.
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Israel's national security doctrine for decades viewed the Jordan Valley as critical
for Israel's security from threats along its Eastern Front. Were Israel to make,a
territorial withdrawal from the strategic barrier it controls in the Jordan Valley
(which it once considered at Camp David in 2000), then Israeli vulnerability could
very well attract more global jihadi elements to Jordan, who would seek to USe the
kingdom as a platform to reach the West Bank and then target Israel's civilian
infrastructure. Those advocating such a withdrawal take for granted that Jordan will
remain a stable buffer that can thwart threats to its own security and'to the
security of Israel, as well. Jordanian stability is a global interest of the entire
Western alliance. It can only be hoped that this beleaguered state will be provided
the resources it needs by the U.S. and its allies to contend with the new threat
environment it faces.
The Zarqawi story indicates that the stakes involved in failing to block terrorist
attacks are increasing. Terrorism in the past involved roadside bombs and occasional
explosive devices in crowded markets. Israel has endured repeated attacks of
suicide bombers on coffee shops, discos, and hotel dining rooms. Zarqawi's strategy
. is based on a significant escalation of the destructive power of terrorist attacks:
from bringing down UN headquarters in Baghdad to trying to destroy whole hotels
elsewhere. Of greatest concern has been his readiness to employ even the crudest
weapons of mass destruction. The sophistication of his network is bound to increase.
It becomes a paramount interest for Israel to recognize the changing threat of
terrorism as Zarqawi's network threatens to become active in the Israeli~Palestinian
struggle.
AI-Qaeda's global strategy has been to seek the weakest link in any region it hopes to
penetrate. AI-Qaeda thrives in weak or failed states like Sudan, Afghanistan, remote
Iraqi Kurdistan prior to the 2003 U.S. invasion, or Chechnya. If the state structures
are in a process of being built up, al~Qaeda is seeking to destabilize them by
increasing insurgent ac~ivities. That has been the primary goal of Zarqawi's network
in Iraq and is likely to become his chief political strategy in Syria and Jordan, All of
this indicates that the region to Israel's east is likely to enter a period of greater
instability.
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Saddam Hussein moved his chemical weapons to Syria six weeks before the war
started, Israel's top general during Operation Iraqi Freedom says.
The assertion comes as President Bush said yesterday that much of the intelligence
on Iraq's weapons of masS destruction was incorrect. .
The Israeli officer, Lieutenant General Moshe Yaalon, asserted that Saddam spirited
his chemical weapons out of the country on the eve of the war. "He transferred the
chemical agents from Iraq to Syria," General Yaalon told The New York Sun over
dinner in New York on Tuesday night. uNo one went to Syria to find it."
From July 2002 to June 2005, when he retired, General Yaalon was chief of staff of
the Israel Defense Force, the top job in the Israeli military, analogous to the
ch<lirman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the American military. He is now a military
fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. He made similar, but more
speculative, remarks in April 2004 that attracted little notice in America; at that
time he was quoted as saying of the Iraqi weapons, "Perhaps they transferred them
to another country, such as Syria.'.'
The Israeli general's remarks came on the eve of Mr. Bush's speech to the Woodrow
Wilson Center in Washington, in which the president addressed the issue of
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intelligence and defended the decision to go to war. IIWhen we made the decision to
go into Iraq, many intelligence agencies around the world judged that Saddam
possessed weapons of maSs destruction. This judgment was shared by the
intelligence agencies of governments who did not support my decision to remove
Saddam. And it is true that much of the intell!gence turned out to be wrong, I' Mr.
Bush said in remarks that were one of a series of speeches he has given recently on
"the war.
Mr. Bush s defense of the war echoed themes he has been pressing since before the
I
war began and through his successful campaign for re-election. IIGiven Saddam's
history and the lessons of September the 11th, my decision to remove Saddam
Hussein was the right decision. Saddam was a threat - and the American people and
the world is better off because he is no longer in power."
An official at the Iraqi embassy in Washington, Entifadh Qanbar, said he believed

the Israeli general's account, but that the Iraqi government is "basically operating in
the dark" because it does not have its own intelligence agency. He said the issue
underscored the need for the new Iraqi government to have control of its own
intelligence service. IIWe don't have any way to find anything out about Syria because
we don't have intelligence," Mr. Qanbar said. He said there is a high-rise building in
Baghdad with 1,000 employees working on intelligence but that it has no budget
appropriation from the Iraqi government and Ildoesn't report to the Iraqi
government."
"Nobody knows who it belongs to, but you should understand who it belongs to," he
said, in what was apparently a reference to American involvement.
An Iraqi politician, Mithal AI-Alusi, whose sons were both assassinated in Iraq last
year, told The New York Sun's Eli Lake last month that his party would press the
Iraqi government to renew the search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Mr.
AI-Alusi said he believes Saddam clearly had the weapons before the invasion. "They
will find the weapons, I am sure they will," Mr. AI-Alusi said.
A spokesman at the Syrian embassy in Washington did not return a call seeking
comment. But General Yaalon s comment could increase pressure on the Syrian
I
government that is already mounting from WaShington and the United Nations. Mr.
Bush has been keeping the rhetorical heat on Damascus. On Monday, he said in a
speech, "Iraq's neighbor to the west, Syria, is permitting terrorists to use that
territory to cross into Iraq."
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Also Monday, Mr. Bush issued a statement saying, "Syria m.ust comply with United
Nations Security Council Resolutions 1559, 1595, and 1636 and end its interference
in Lebanon once and for all. "The resolutions call for ending Syria's occupation of
Lebanon and for Syrian cooperation into the investigation of the assassination of a
Lebanese politician, Rafik Hariri.
On Saturday, the White House issued a statement calling attention to Syrian

prisoners of conscience such as Kamal Labwani. liThe Syrian Government must cease
its harassment of Syrians peacefully seeking to bring democratic reform to thei~
country. The United States stands with the Syrian people in their desire for
freedom and democracy," said the statement, issued in the name of the White House
press secretary.
Yesterday, the State Department spokesman, Sean McCormack, described Syria as

an "oppressive regime." He also pointed to a recent report by a United Nations
investigator looking into the assassination of Hariri. liThe Syrian Government has
failed to offer its full cooperation,1I Mr. McCormack said, citing the UN.
investigator's report that "details allegations of document burning by the Syrians, of
intimidating witnesses."
When, during an interview with the Sun in April, Vice President Cheney was asked
whether he thought that Iraqi weapons of mass destruction had been moved to
Syria, Mr. Cheney replied only that he had seen such reports.
An article in the Fall 2005 Middle East Quarterly reports that in an appearance on
Israel's Channel 2 on December 23,2002, Israel's prime minister, Ariel Sharon
stated, "Chemical and biological weapons which Saddam is endeavoring to conceal
have been moved from Iraq to Syria." The allegation was denied by the Syrian
government at the time as "completely untrue'" and it attracted scant American
press attention, coming as it did on the eve of the Christmas holiday.
Syria shares a 376-mile border with Iraq. The Syrian ruling party and Saddam
Hussein had in common the ideology of Baathism, a mixture of Nazism and Marxism.
Syria is one of only eight countries that has not signed the Chemical Weapons
Convention, a treaty that obligates nations not to stockpile or use chemical weapons.
And it has long been the source of concern in America and Israel and Lebanon about
its chemical warfare program apart from any weapons that may have been received
from Iraq. The director of Central Intelligence, George Tenet, testified before the
Senate Armed Services Committee in March of 2004, "Damascus has an active CW
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development and testing program that relies on foreign 'suppliers for key controlled
chemicals suitable for producing CW."
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Subject: Media Coverage of Military Analysts just back from Iraq: 2 (McInerney yesterday on Fox) and
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General Thomas McInerney

• Went out with two questions: are we winning and is it worth it. Answer? "Resounding Yes to
both.
• General Casey has a "brilliant" plan
• Iraqi forces now control 35% of the battle space, and when Iraqis control the space they get even
better intelligence than we do.
• Key to the voting is Ramadi. If people there vote, it means the Sunnis have taken the political
path.
• Our forces know why they are there and know they are winning.
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Brit Hume: For the view of one who has just been to Iraq, we tum to retired Air Force General and
FOX News contributor Thomas McInerney, who just got hack two days ago. Welcome hack.
MCINERNEY: Thanks, Brit. Good to be back.
HUME: So how long were you there?
MCINERNEY: Four days.
HUME: And where did you go?
MCINERNEY: We went to Baghdad, to Camp Victory, to Fallujah and out to the military academy just
north of Baghdad.
HUME: So what did you see?
MCINERNEY: Well, I had two questions when I went out there that I wanted to ask, answer myself.
No.1, are we winning? No.2, is it worth it? I came back with personal evidence that I think that I see
that it's a resounding yes in both cases. Now, why do I say that? Why are we winning? Well, General
Casey, despite what people say that he doesn't have a plan, has got a brilliant campaign plan that, in
effect, has gone extremely well, particularly if you consider the three -- coming up on three elections in
less than a year, and he's been able to execute that now. Is there tough fighting? Sure there's tough
fighting there, but we are wining. We're going through that political process, and this election that's
coming up, as everybody knows, is crucial. The one key city that I found out there is Ramadi. If
Ramadi votes, it means the Sunnis have taken the political path. Ifthe Sunnis don't take the political
path, then I think they're heading into oblivion, because the Shia and the Kurds will solve it the way they
have historically. They'll eliminate them. I believe they're going to take a political path, and it's crucial
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that they do. HUME: You say we're winning on the military side. However, the attacks continue.
MCINERNEY: Yes.
HUME: Americans continue to be killed. Iraqis in great numbers continue to be killed. The appearance
that this provides to an American news consumer is that the insurgents can attack at will and that they
continue to. So in what sense are we winning?
MCINERNEY: Well, we're winning in the fact that the big objective is to transfer to the Iraqi security
forces, the ISF. We have transferred 35 percent of the battle space, as they call it over there, to the Iraqi
security forces. We find when they move in, the Iraqi people are proud that there are Iraqi security
forces there, and so they increase the intelligence, although we've been getting a lot. They start
increasing the intelligence. And then you have, like on the Baghdad International Airport road to the
city, called Main Supply Route Irish, all of a sudden you control that. That's ours as far as being
peaceful, and it's the Iraqis that are doing it. Now we are kind of over' their shoulder mentoring them
and training them, because you know, when you go from a totalitarian army to a democratic army you've
got to use different procedures, different techniques. And they are -- they are developing this
democratic army quite well. Now, is there fighting? Yes. But who are they killing? They're killing
some Americans, but it's primarily innocents. So what we have seen right now is the Sunnis are splitting
with Al Qaeda. I believe Al Qaeda is going to be finished over there, and the Sunnis are going to do it.
They are on the death knell. Will they still create problems during the election? Will they have car
bombs? Well, they won't have many car bombs, unless they've laid them in, because no vehicles can
move. But they will create some chaos. The fact is they have lost. They're still creating chaos but they
have lost, because the Iraqi people are changing.
Hume: In Vietnam the generals often said we were winning, doing better, the grunts, though, either
didn't agree or didn't want to be there, which was in the end part of what undid that effort.
Mcinerney: Right.
Hume: What about the attitude of the rank and file over there, many of whom are on second and third
tours and surely would like to come home?
McInerney: Well, I had four tours in Vietnam. People used to leave on the freedom bird. The people
in Iraq do not call the airplanes out of Kuwait the freedom bird. They know they're going back They
know why they're there, to create stability. Now I talked to the lowest (ranking) soldier you can talk to
and the highest-ranking soldier as well as the ambassador. They know why they're there. They know
it's to create a stability in the region. Otherwise, if the extremists take over ...
Hume: What do they say about it?
Mcinerney: Well, look, they're volunteers. Some are on their way back with the 3rd Infantry Division.
They're going home and the 4 th Infantry Division is replacing them. They're scheduled to come back
10 months from now -. and they ask me if they're going to have to come back. I said I don't know but I
don't think so. I said the way the Iraqi forces are taking over and having spent a half day at their military
academy and seen these young Iraqi officers, they have fire in their belly. Bob Scales, I think got the
same impression when he was over there looking. The fact is, as they take it over, and that's why this
election -- everybody knows this is a four-year election. They are -- they have made their decision and I
think you're going to see a fairly consistent drawdown. Look, George Casey, General Casey knows
exactly his timetable. He's going to do it on events. He knows exactly what divisions are taking over,
Iraqi divisions from our divisions and then the mentoring and then we'll bring them out. So I've come
back very assured that they know why they're there, they know why they're fighting and they are in fact
winning.
Ip.Se3.r~b--«lf.MlIJjh..3~.~tAr.my - Jed Babbin in The American Spectator on 12/13/2005
Selected Excerpts: .
• Last week, I went to Iraq to search for John Murtha's army. You know: the one he described as
"broken, worn out," and "living hand to mouth." Thanks to the help of some friends in low places,
I met with a lot of the troops and almost all of the commanders around Baghdad and at Camp
Fallujah. Murtha was not just wrong, but damnably wrong. And so, unsurprisingly, is Democratic
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Party Chainnan Howard Dean, who declared the war unwinnable.

, • I promised to bring back as many of the facts as I could. Here are the two most important ones:
First, we are winning this war. Second, as the operations in Iraq enter their fourth year, our forces
are beginning to suffer the problems that a prolonged conflict creates....
• All the men I spoke to (and, yes, the women as well) didn't believe this job was over. They have
committed themselves to the war, and expect their commitment to be matched at home.
• Is our army broken? Not hardly, but it could be. One 4th J.D. colonel said it best: "You want to
break this army? Then break your word to it."
• The Iraqi military is doing its job. Half the Baghdad area is in Iraqi control, and about 60% of all
Iraqis live in secure areas. One of the biggest mistakes we've made in the infonnation war was all
that nonsense about rating the readiness of Iraqi units at Levels 1 through 4.
• The biggest conclusion I drew from the trip is that the Iraqi civilian government lags badly behind
the Iraqi anny in taking charge and moving forward.
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General Thomas McInerney

• Went out with two questions: are we winning and is it worth it. Answer? "Resounding
Yes to both.
• General Casey has a "brilliant" plan
• Iraqi forces now control 35% of the battle space, and when Iraqis control the space they
get even better intelligence than we do.
• Key to the voting is Ramadi. If people there vote, it means the Sunnis have taken the
political path.
• Our forces know why they are there and know they are winning.
Link to First Portion of Interview and

Second Portion of Interview
Fox News Special Report

12/13/2005
Brit Hume: For the view of one who has just been to Iraq, we turn to retired Air Force General
and FOX News contributor Thomas McInerney, who just got back two days ago. Welcome
back.
MCINERNEY: Thanks, Brit. Good to be back.
HUME: So how long were you there?
MCINERNEY: Four days.
HUME: And where did you go?
MCINERNEY: We went to Baghdad, to Camp Victory, to Fallujah and out to the military
academy just north of Baghdad.
HUME: So what did you see?
MCINERNEY: Well, I had two questions when I went out there that I wanted to ask, answer
myself. No.1, are we winning? No.2, is it worth it? I came back with personal evidence that I
think that I see that it's a resounding yes in both cases. Now, why do I say that? Why are we
winning? Well, General Casey, despite what people say that he doesn't have a plan, has got a
brilliant campaign plan that, in effect, has gone extremely well, particularly if you consider the
three -- coming up on three elections in less than a year, and he's been able to execute that now.
Is there tough fighting? Sure there's tough fighting there, but we are wining. We're going through
that political process, and this election that's coming up, as everybody knows, is crucial. The one
key city that I found out there is Ramadi. If Ramadi votes, it means the Sunnis have taken the
political path. If the Sunnis don't take the political path, then I think they're heading into
oblivion, because the Shia and the Kurds will solve it the way they have historically. They'll
eliminate them. I believe they're going to take a political path, and it's crucial that they do.
HUME: You say we're winning on the military side. However, the attacks continue.
MCINERNEY: Yes.
HUME: Americans continue to be killed. Iraqis in great numbers continue to be killed. The
appearance that this provides to an American news consumer is that the insurgents can attack at
will and that they continue to. So in what sense are we winning?
MCINERNEY: Well, we're winning in the fact that the big objective is to transfer to the Iraqi
security forces, the ISF. We have transferred 35 percent of the battle space, as they call it over
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there, to the Iraqi security forces. We find when they move in, the Iraqi people are proud that
there are Iraqi security forces there, and so they increase the intelligence, although we've been
getting a lot. They start increasing the intelligence. And then you have, like on the Baghdad
International Airport road to the city, called Main Supply Route Irish, all of a sudden you control
that. That's ours as far as being peaceful, and it's the Iraqis that are doing it. Now we are kind of
over their shoulder mentoring them and training them, because you know, when you go from a
totalitarian army to a democratic army you've got to use different procedures, different
techniques. And they are -- they are developing this democratic army quite well. Now, is there
fighting? Yes. But who are they killing? They're killing some Americans, but it's primarily
innocents. So what we have seen right now is the Sunnis are splitting with Al Qaeda. I believe
Al Qaeda is going to be finished over there, and the Sunnis are going to do it. They are on the
death knell. Will they still create problems during the election? Will they have car bombs?
Well, they won't have many car bombs, unless they've laid them in, because no vehicles can
move. But they will create some chaos. The fact is they have lost. They're still creating chaos
but they have lost, because the Iraqi people are changing.
Hume: In Vietnam the generals often said we were winning, doing better, the grunts, though,
either didn't agree or didn't want to be there, which was in the end part of what undid that effort.
McInerney: Right.
Hume: What about the attitude of the rank and file over there, many of whom are on second and
third tours and surely would like to come home?
McInerney: Well, I had four tours in Vietnam. People used to leave on the freedom bird. The
people in Iraq do not call the airplanes out of Kuwait the freedom bird. They know they're going
back They know why they're there, to create stability. Now I talked to the lowest (ranking)
soldier you can talk to and the highest-ranking soldier as well as the ambassador. They know
why they're there. They know it's to create a stability in the region. Otherwise, if the extremists
take over ...
Hume: What do they say about it?
McInerney: Well, look, they're volunteers. Some are on their way back with the 3rd Infantry
Division. They're going home and the 4 th Infantry Division is replacing them. They're
scheduled to come back 10 months from now -- and they ask me if they're going to have to come
back. I said I don't know but I don't think so. I said the way the Iraqi forces are taking over and
having spent a half day at their military academy and seen these young Iraqi officers, they have
fire in their belly. Bob Scales, I think got the same impression when he was over there looking.
The fact is, as they take it over, and that's why this election •• everybody knows this is a four
year election. They are -- they have made their decision and I think you're going to see a fairly
consistent drawdown. Look, George Casey, General Casey knows exactly his timetable. He's
going to do it on events. He knows exactly what divisions are taking over, Iraqi divisions from
our divisions and then the mentoring and then we'll bring them out. So I've come back very
assured that they know why they're there, they know why they're fighting and they are in fact
winning.
In Search of Murtha's Army - Jed Babbin in The American Spectator on 12/1312005

Selected Excerpts:
• Last week, I went to Iraq to search for John Murtha's army. You know: the one he
described as "broken, worn out," and "living hand to mouth." Thanks to the help of some
friends in low places, I met with a lot of the troops and almost all of the commanders
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around Baghdad and at Camp Fallujah. Murtha was not just wrong, but damnably wrong.
And so, unsurprisingly, is Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean, who declared the
war unwinnable.
• I promised to bring back as many of the facts as I could. Here are the two most important
ones: First, we are winning this war. Second, as the operations in Iraq enter their fourth
year, our forces are beginning to suffer the problems that a prolonged conflict creates....
• All the men I spoke to (and, yes, the women as well) didn't believe this job was over.
They have committed themselves to the war, and expect their commitment to be matched
at home.
• Is our army broken? Not hardly, but it could be. One 4th I.D. colonel said it best: "You
want to break this army? Then break your word to it."
• The Iraqi military is doing its job. Half the Baghdad area is in Iraqi contro"!, and about
60% of all Iraqis live in secure areas. One of the biggest mistakes we've made in the
information war was all that nonsense about rating the readiness ofIraqi units at Levels I
through 4.
• The biggest c'onclusion I drew from the trip is that the Iraqi civilian government lags
badly behind the Iraqi army in taking charge and moving forward.
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Subject: Today's report on coverage rec'd by military analysts who went to Iraq-just one-Ken Allard
Colonel Kenneth Allard:

• This is actually the third election these people have had in the course of this year and by every
account they've made remarkable progress
• Whether you like it or whether you don't, there's always that question as to whether this is going
to be one country or three and this election is going to go a long way in determining that
• The Iraqis have made remarkable military progress there. They're now in effective control of a
third of the country. There is effective control of about half of Baghdad itself but I would just tell
you that is a very long road.
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12/13/2005 10: 19:03 AM
Newscaster: Retired Anny Colonel Ken Allard just returned from Iraq. Welcome back. Colonel
Allard: Thank you. Good morning.
Newscaster: Let me start with the political track. How much is riding on this particular election?
Again, we have to keep in mind this is the last election for four years in Iraq so obviously it does lay
down the groundwork but is it the election or the electoral process that is most important right now?
Allard: It's actually both, Randy, because this is actually the third election these people have had in the
course of this year and by every account they've made remarkable progress. But what happens is that
this is the finish line in some sense. What you have to have right now is a political process engaging the
three major factions in Iraq. Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds and Senator Reid was correct in saying there was
no long, democratic tradition. And so it really is a question, do these people have more to gain by
working effectively with each other or are they going to split apart? Whether you like it or whether you
don't, there's always that question as to whether this is going to be one country or three and this election
is going to go a long way in determining that.
Newscaster: Let me just boil it down to this. Is this election, again, and the process of it and importance
to the people of I'raq, more important, Colonel, that who actually gets voted into office? While we are
watching that very closely because of implications with Iran and other countries, but what in your view
with the people of Iraq tends to be the most important thing right now?
Allard: That political process is all important. They have got to come to grips with the fact they
probably have got more to gain by working effectively with each other and there's no democratic
tradition in Iraq. Everything that has been put in place has been put in place pretty recently and it really
is kind of remarkable to see them going through this because that's simply not part of the Iraqi tradition.
The way they tend to express descent in that country is with violence and we see that. The question is
whether the other democratic tradition can come to plant.
Newscaster: Let's talk about se".urity strategy. On the security front, the president has said that we are
working with Iraqi forces to shore up security. We're going into some of the hot bed insurgent areas. Is
it working, colonel?
Allard: I think it is. I mean, I caveat that by saying it's always a very tough fight, always a long-tenn
fight. The Iraqis have made remarkable military progress there. They're now in effective control of a
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third of the country. There is effective control of about half of Baghdad itself but I would just tell you
that is a very long road. It is a tough road particularly when you're also fighting a war in the midst of
training and equipping a new army. What was there before was an armed mob.
Newscaster: The administration says it wants to restore Iraq's infrastructure. We're talking about the
basic necessities that Iraqis need there, electricity, water, sewage facilities, and things like that. How bad
is it right now for the folks ofIraq when you're talking.about the bare necessities?
Allard: Randy, it's actually a function of that previous problem. They really have not yet learned to
work effectively together. Electricity, water, sewage, basic services like that, you've got to do that on the
basis of a whole country, not on the basis of a neighborhood here, a minority over there and that's been a
very, very tough sell. What you see is individual neighborhoods trying to act out on their own. So
building a nation is a very tough problem just by itself and in some sense, the army that I saw over there
has simply had to go back to similar lessons from peace keeping 10 years ago. Simply because of the
fact there is no way to defeat that insurgency than by getting people to work together and no better way
to do that than by pointing out it is the case and infrastructure of cooperate and graduate.
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Eric: I really didn't get anything memorable from the cadets. As I mentioned, they were all tossing me the
"school solution." Here are the few worth repeating:
"Me and the others want to make something work. II
"We are very eager to fight."
"We are very proud because we are going to lead."
The best quote I got there was from Brigadier Mousa, on his philosophy of suppressing ethnic and tribal
loyalities: "If anyone talks I am Kurd, Shia, Sunni, I kick them outside first day."
Hope this helps. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
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(mobile)
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Eric - At some point over the Atlantic the other night, I lost what little coherency was left - and so missed the chance to
thank you for helping to organize a really great trip. Its insights have already been exploited during hits on radio and TV
and they just pulled me back to NY to help MSNBC cover the Iraqi elections.
Like Jed, I cannot remember any memorable lines from the Iraqis. Except that. one guy was from Fallujah and talked about
how the terrorists there were killing their wives and children with their bombs. I always regard such statements (especially
by trainees to the sponsoring nationality) with some skepticism: but what said everything was their presence in the face of
some very specific threats to them and their families. Their courage in meeting them was as real as their reactions to
Nicole - cause that stuff you don't fake! .
One other point: I mentioned to you that I'm currently working on a book - WARHEADS - about the role of the military
analysts on cable TV. I have lined up the support of most of them but also wanted to highlight the Secretary's role in having
started these gatherings. You see, the Clinton crowd simply ignored us and hoped we would just go away. As I mentioned
to Tori Clarke earlier this year, you guys deserve credit for having had the smarts to invite us into the fold. With all the hell
that gets raised in Washington about government cover-ups and concealment, it's actually refreshing that somebody
thought to inform some rather knowledgeable observers about what was actually going on.
Would there be any chance of interviewing the Secretary to get his personal "take" on how all this came about? Risks,
rewards and net assessment?
Best,
Ken
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Subject: Transcript - Brig Gen Alston with military analysts
Attachments: 12-13-05 Brig Gen Alston.doc
12-13-05 Brig Gen

Alston.doc (...
Attached please find the transcript from today's background call with Brig Gen Alston from
Baghdad and the military analysts. The call lasted about 35 minutes.
Recommend at least skimming for writers/talkers on Iraq.
Highlights/topics covered (chronological):
Intro:
-- Coalition and Iraqi security Forces have set the conditions that are going to ensure
success for Thursday's election; have been setting them since January through operations
throughout Euphrates River Valley, etc.
-- We've crossed some threshold with the ISF that enables us to leave them behind to be
the persistent presence in these towns; trust building between them and the locals.
-- Excitement in the air with Iraqis re election. Listen for the number 60 percent for
turnout. Seventy would be extraordinary. 10 million voters possible under these
circums,tances.
-- Continue getting encouraging words Sunnis are going to play.

Answers to Questions:
Expecting turnout percentages pretty quickly, within a couple days.
Key is Sunni participation early. would'love to show pictures of lines of people voting
in Ramadi.
His team will be loading photos throughout the day on their web site (www.mnf
iraq.com) .
Discussion about the general/his team sending to the military analysts updates/sit reps
on the election news. Will generally be spot reports.
Re how fast can the government stand up. MFN-Iraq will be setting expectations this
will take a while; hopefully not the 100-day gestation period it took after Jan. 30. It's
a challenge to form democracies, takes time.
-- Senator Biden coming in to country. Some other members of Congress; he didn't remember
who.
-- Threat picture for election: Anticipates any spike would.have happened by now.
Indications that Zarqawi is odd man out. He's got no advantage to allowing this democratic
process to go unchallenged. Has to make a statement. Would be extraordinary if he is
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silent the whole time. sunni-based groups showing overtures they want sunnis to be able to
vote.
- - Question on reports about Interior Ministry j,ails. Prime minister had press conference;
took ownership of investigative process; reinforced commitment to ensuring investigations
completed.
-- External oversight of elections. Pretty good confidence in the lECl's (Independent

Electoral Commission of Iraq) ability to job. lECI and UN roles - no concern with how they
have managed up to this point.
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Transcript
Military Analyst Briefing
Dec. 13,2005; 1230
Briefer: Air Force Brig. Gen. Donald Alston,
Director of Strategic Communications, Multi-National Force-Iraq
ON BACKGROUND
IDENTIFY AS SENIOR DoD OFFICIAL IN BAGHDAD
Host: ~OSD-Public Affairs
Trans~
~rhanks for joining us. As always with these calls they are on background, so
you are free to quote as long as you quote a senior DoD defense - excuse me - a senior
Defense official.
And with that, if we have General Alston on the line, I would like to go ahead and turn it
over to you, sir.
Brig Gen Alston: OK, great. Thanks so much, mIl Appreciate it. So good to see you and
I think if everybody joins us, half of them will be folks that came to Iraq either this past
weekend or in October. So great for you all- for me to have a chance to talk with you
again.
Let me quickly make a few comments and then I am more interested in hearing the
questions you might have for me. So first, let me tell you how we've gotten to today, at
least briefly.
The Coalition and Iraqi Security Forces have set the conditions that are going to ensure
success for this election on Thursday. We have arguably been setting these conditions
since January, but you know that deliberate operations that we have done throughout the
Euphrates River Valley and in the northwest in the Tall Afar and Mosul area as well in
September, and you know that what we have been doing in Ramadi, taking that city a
piece at a time in order to reduce the fear, intimidation and the terrorists that have been in
there.
They had a grealeffect on Ramadi during the referendum (Oct. 15) vote. Two percent of
Ramadi voted during the referendum. There will be a safe and secure opportunity in
Ramadi to vote, it is just a question of how much the fear and intimidation lingers with
the people of Ramadi to see whether or not they step out.
Fallujah, just up the road, a little bit farther east of Ramadi, of course you had 100,000 of
the 225,000 people in Fallujah vote. So they had an overwhelming turnout and they are
expecting to turn out even more.
I will tell you the key to all this is the ability to hold the ground we have cleared. And
that ability has been enabled by the Iraqi Security Forces. I can tell you stories about the
Iraqi Security Forces today that I could not tell you four months ago.
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I do not know if the expression critical mass fits in this particular case, but we have
crossed some threshold with the Iraqi Security Force~ that enables us to leave them
behind, to be the persistent presence in these towns along the Euphrates River Valley and
in particular up in Tall Afar, and, because they have been left behind, even though the
demographics of the Iraq i army are not necessarily as representative as the people of al
Anbar, there is trust building between the persistent presence and the locals, and that is
leading to an increased number of caches and things like that as they are willing to
approach the Iraqi Security Forces knowing that they are going to hang around and if
they come forward they are not going to get their head cut off because these guys are
going to hang tight with them.
And I will tell you that I sense that there is a degree of excitement in the air here with the
Iraqi people. You know, eight point something voted in January, 9.4 (million) voted in
October. I think the numbers that you need to listen for is high 60 percent turnout.
Seventy I think would be perhaps a bit beyond reach but boy, if you hear that, it will be
extraordinary. And I think 10 million voters is quite possible under these circumstances.
We continue to get great encouraging words that the Sunnis are going to play, and play
harder than they did during the referendum. Because after all, no matter what, at the end
of voting on Thursday, the Sunnis are in better shape than they were before.
And I will also follow up and tell you that 90 percent of the detainees voted, so that's
roughly 10,000 detainees, voted yesterday. And 110,000 Iraqi Security Forces voted
yesterday, and those are the folks that are displaced if you will, assigned to areas other
than their home province. The rest of the Iraqi Security Forces will vote in their home
province on Thursday.
So with that extremely brief once-around-Iraq, let me please tum it over to you for your
questions.
Q: Hey, Don, this is Jeff McCausland, and once again, my truly heartfelt thanks to you
and your guys, Lieutenant Boman (sp) and Major. Moon (sp) for just a superb job. And I
know as an old soldier what a pain in the butt groups like ours can be. My sincere thanks.
Couple pretty quick and easy questions. One is kind of to Tara, it would help out if when
we talk about Don's remarks today, Tara, we said rather on background senior defense
official speaking from Baghdad. And I want to know if that's a problem.
_ : Well I would defer to General Alston and his team on that.
Q: Don, would you feel uncomfortable with that or not?
Brig Gen Alston: No. That's okay. Sure.
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Q: Okay, and the second question I have is really as far as the future and that is it seems
to me that you put your finger on it - the right question. And that it is what the turnout
(looked at?) - when you are talking about democracy (inaudible) at this point in time we
don't know how they are going to vote, and because of the complexity of the vote, it will
be several weeks probably before we know who actually gets elected. But as quickly as
people like us can get, you know, better drafts of what the percentage was that turned out,
I think we will better be able to paint that picture for the media while the media is still
paying attention. Two weeks from now, when the actual results are published by party,
they will be looking at something else.
Brig Gen Alston: That is a great point. I am expecting turnout numbers pretty quick. I am
expecting turnout numbers within a couple of days in terms of percentages. I hope we can
get it that fast. I am expecting some preliminary voting, and if it tracks like we had for the
referendum, they kind of do it by province. So they might, you know, at six days we
might get 10 provinces in. And then I understand, unfortunately, that we might not - the
IECI (Independent Electoral Commission of Iraq) is only committed to like six January
as final result day,
Now for the (Oct. 15) referendum, they also pegged the day way out there. And is it
turned out, it was ~ not only did they come early with that date, but the UN immediately
confirmed the results. And of course, that's key, is the UN confirming results. So,
anyway, that's the way this is kind of staked out. One week or so for preliminary results,
six January for final results, and I am expecting voter turnout numbers in the first day or
two.
Q: Well if you can get, as quickly as you can get that to Tara and back to us, and it would
be great if you could also, Don, appreciate that, for example, if you could give some
indication of turnout in al Anbar which will bespeak, obviously, Sunni participation, or
out in Ramadi, you (can?) point out that you went from as you said from two or three
percent, obviously, to something several times that number, though still perhaps
relatively small, I kind of think (that's the kind of thing?) it will help us in painting this
picture.
Brig Gen Alston: I'll tell you my priority is - I mean I am turning all my resources on
well, we have postured ourselves to move this information as quickly as we can. We have
a pretty good laydown of embeds throughout the country, so they 'are going to be doing
their own thing quickly.
But I think the key is Sunni participation early. So the first images that I want to get out
is, you know, voting in Ramadi. I would love to show you a picture of a line in Ramadi of
people voting. But if not Ramadi, it will still be Sunnis voting somewhere, because I
think that is the key message of the day, so we truly have the sensors keyed on that.
You'll be able to go to our web site, which is like MNF-Iraq.com, I will make sure you
get that perfectly before we hang up (note - www.mnf-iraq.com) and on that web site we
are hanging all our images. And I haven't seen -- I don't know the web site's configured
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yet, but it will be configured so it is easy for you to find that. And you'll be able to get
high-resolution photos, and we are going to be dumping them throughout the day on to
that.
We started sending email out on the referendum day, but we were just screwing up
people's in boxes doing that. So we ended up chucking out thumb nails to some of our
friends, and we found out that as the day went on, the best thing was to park the stuff on
the web site and allow people to grab what they needed to grab. So, .anyway, that's what
we are going to try to do on Thursday.
Q: But please keep in mind, and I don't want to beat this to death, but I know Jed
(Babbin) is on here as well, and I am sure he will be nodding his head in a second, but,
you know, images don't help me on CBS Radio too much a,nd don't help Jed too much,
but I will be on multiple radios on Thursday for major cities all across the United States.
So any kind of percentages on Thursday, Friday, (we?) can use would just be great stuff.
Brig Alston: Here's what we'll try to do. I don't know that I am going to like the way that
this looks yet, but I've asked - you know, we've never done this before - in this media
operations center, and I have asked these guys to design a sit rep, and if the sit rep has the
kind of contents that I am hoping for, then maybe that's going to be useful for you. And
we are going to pump that out during the day. And what I will do is, 1- and since it's
kind of an experiment here, I am going to look at the data, and if I feel good just cutting
that loose, I will make sure that all of the folks that have, you know, visited the last
couple of months, plus anybody else who is on the line who would like it, that you can
get these sit reps from us.
Now, the sit rep from my media operations center, I envision that this is going to be
trying to track, you know, whatever anecdotal infonnation I am getting from the regional
embassy offices, as folks call in and say we've got good things happening in Mosul, good
things happening in Ramadi.
I mean, it's going to be spot reports of a lot of stuff to just give us a feel for what's going
on, and to see that things are up and operating, and to get those exceptional things like the
IECI did not show up in, you know, in Tall Afar, I don't know, and you know, the polling
stations didn't open -- the people are opening the polling station themselves - whatever
like happe'ned on the 15 th of October.
But it's, you know, so it's going to kind of be spot reports, anecdotal stuff. I mean, there
may be some good human interest that would come out of this, but nonetheless, 1just
don't know what that is going to look like. And, but that's kind of our experiment, and
it's all about moving infonnation as fast as 1 can and giving situational awareness to the
leadership as best 1 can. So, anyway, this is - this is my vision of this thing, and we'll see
how it goes, and as much as 1 can push any information in your direction during the
course ofthe day, 1 will.
Q: Super.
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Brig Gen Alston: What other questions?
Q: Don, this is Bob Maginnis. Question on standing up the new government. As you
know it took us, what, two months last spring, or in the winter. Is there something that
gives us an indication that perhaps this will come faster, or are we going to go through
the protracted back-and-forth until the coalition is built and so forth. Any sense there?
Brig Gen Alston: I think that you are going to find us immediately starting to set
expectations that this is going to take a while. I certainly hope it does not take the same
th
lOO-day gestation period that it took the last time. I mean, the vote was on January 30
th
and I think Jafaari was announced as the prime minister on about the 29 of April or so,
and then he fonned his government roughly the 5th of May, and even that took some
iterations it seemed. So I think you are going to find us trying to set, you know, already
start the talk about, you know, democracy is challenging to fonn these kinds of
governments. But I do think that depending on the election outcome I hope that that c~uld
be used as a tool to leverage, you know, have the Iraqi people leverage against the
government to say, you know, if it's mandate-like turnout and mandate-like of, you
know, percentages of Sunnisvoting and everybody else, you know, already there is going
to be, you know, the kinds of words coming out of Sunni leaders that are going to talk
about setting their expectations for what this government needs to do to represent all
Iraqis.
So, no, I do not have indications that we are going to give birth to this government with
any speed. I think if you layout everything end to end, and the Iraqis take all the time
that is allowed, you don't deliver a government before April. But that's if they expend
every clause they can to get them, you know, if they had to string this out. So certainly
nobody here wants to get into that kind of a protracted thing, but it's not our deal. It's the
sovereign government of Iraq's responsibility and charge to make that all come together.
I will tell you that, you know, we will all be looking to see just how the Chalibis and
Allawis and all the other folks begin to posture after the election. You know, as I recall, I
missed the election - I came a week later, but it was all of that time after the election
where all of the friction and challenge came in. And as much as we've seen the politics
on the television and on all the posters and the billboards and stuff, you know, of course
we haven't seen anything yet. We will be seeing all of that after the vote is in. So, Bob, I
wish had a better answer for you than that, but I think you are going to see us start to talk
about how it's a challenge to fonn these democracies and that it's going to take time.
Q: Hey, Don. Jed Babbin. (Question on who is coming over to watch.)
Brig Gen Alston: Senator Biden is coming in. And I will see whether or not Rick can find
out who else is in thai CODEL, so I can tell you exactly what Members are coming in.
But I know that Senator Biden is going to be here - I am not sure exactly - I think he
might arrive - I wonder if he arrived today, because I mean we start shutting down the
airports tomorrow. But I know he is going to be here, and I know he is not alone. So I
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will let you know who else is here. But yeah, they are going to be here and I don't know
if we are going to get them outside of Baghdad or not. I haven't seen their agenda. But
yes, we'll have some folks here.
Q: Is Jimmy Carter coming?
Brig Gen Alston: No.
Q: Thank you.
Q: Hey, Don. It's Jeff McCausland again. Can you comment on, sort of, the evolving
threat picture focused on the election. When we left and talked with you and several of
the senior people before we left, there was a belief that if something was going to
happen, frankly, it was probably going to be today or tomorrow because obviously that
has the intimidation factor, as opposed to the direct attacks on the 15 th , which could, you
know, still intimidate but perhaps a little bit more effective on the run-up. Any changing
thoughts on the threat picture towards the election?
Brig Gen Alston: No changes from what you got last week when you were here. We did
anticipate that the spike would have shown itself by now. The spike doesn't show itself
on election day; it would have done it leading up to election day, and hasn't happened.
I will telI you that there are indications that Zarqawi is the odd man out. The other
terrorists and insurgent groups are - that are, you know, Sunni based groups - are
looking, are showing some overtures that they want the Sunnis to be able to vote, and that
they (audio interference) I am sorry, let me tum this off here, it's - get over that in a
second here. Anyway, that in fact, you know, that we could have a decreased amount of
violence if we. are all blessed and lucky here on election day. And that, you know,
Zarqawi will be the one that all will defend against.
I have to believe that Zarqawi has got to make a statement. I mean, ifhe fails, if he is
. silent the whole time, you know, that is - that is extraordinary. He's got no advantage to
alIowing this democratic process to go unchalIenged. So, you know, we've got a great
plan in effect; the Iraqi Security Forces have a great plan in effect; and we - but we still
expect that he's got to do something.
Now, if the Sunnis, on the other hand, you know, choose the political process for the day
and see if, you know, and then we'll see how enduring that could be, you know, we could
see the Sunni turnout - I don't know that I'll call it enhanced, but certainly there will be
there could be less fear and intimidation if they are not stimulating some of that fear and
intimidation.
Q: Thank you.
Q: Don, Bob Maginnis again. The reports about Interior Ministry jails - can you talk
about that, provide a context perhaps?
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Brig Gen Alston: Well, yesterday the prime minister had a press conference. He did not
lead with that information; it wasn't in his statement, I think it was more of a pre~election
opportunity, but he was taken on by the media with that.
He took ownership of the investigative process; he reinforced his commitment to

ensuring that the investigations were completed; and so that was good for us to see that.
You know, there is a - there certainly have been some who have, at least privately, and
we are keeping our eye out to see publicly, who want to cast us impinging on the
sovereignty of the government oflraq with this find in the bunker if you will, and, you
know, trying to make overtures that - that in fact, you know, there is some sovereign
issues with us walking in on that.
And as you recall, the general officer who began to make the overtures to gain access
went directly to the minister, and asked - told him what he needed to do. And the
minister supported his efforts to go there.
So, you know, the way this whole thing went down is the way I think you read it in the
papers and saw it on television. So I will say that we are engaged, that we are part of the
teams that, you know, that went to this other site - this site four the other day and found
some issues with that. That was the reason the prime minister was asked yesterday, you
know, to talk about this additional find, and he had some decent infonnation at his
disposal that was good and accurate for him to share.
That story has been, you know, fairly out there the last couple of days in decent detail.
So, you know, there will be more of these inspections that will go on, and we are a part of
that process. So I think that that process will continue on, and our participation is key to
supporting the central government and the prime minister's commitment to uncover what
needs to be uncovered, and fix what needs to be fixed.
Q: Thanks.
Ms. Jones: Gentlemen, any other questions for the general?
Q: Yeah, I have one last one. Can you talk to us for a second on external oversight, you
know, what the UN groups are doing, et cetera, to certify that the election was handled in
a fair process?
Brig Gen: Well the Independent Electoral Commission oflraq is responsible for the
conduct of the election. These guys have been at it now all year long. They were
responsible for the January election as well as the referendum, and now this.
So it's a pretty well-heeled process in terms of ballot accountability and, you know,
warehouse control, collection, distribution of ballots. The balIots have been flowing in
from out of country over the last couple of days. They are on track to be delivered to all
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,
.'''-':'
the appropriate centers on time. This is a process that they give us good insight into. Of
course, we are helpful to the process, although they privately contract to move all this
stuff around, we have great visibility, great transparency, to know how this is being done
and how on track it is. So, frankly, we have pretty good confidence in the IECI's ability
to do their job.
The UN peak (key?) component to this has also been relatively quiet, but functional
maybe even more so than the referendum. I missed the run up to the elections, but I
remember the leadership here having nothing but great praise for the gentlemen that
pulled off the elections. The UN leader that was running the referendum has been
replaced in her position, but we haven't been concerned about her replacement. It, you
know, business seems to be going on in a productive way. So we've got nothing but
indicators that this process continues to, frankly, improve and have the bugs worked out.
I will tell you that it is critical that they are - and they are very sensitive t6 protecting
against voter fraud. And so they have their own internal investigative process when there
are anomalies, and they have been tracking and accounting for all of their ballots, the
voter lists. They had found some discrepancies in voter lists, and they have corrected
them to their satisfaction.
They have, you know, distributed whatever - whatever, you know, so they have ensure
that all the correct voter lists are out at the polling sites. And don't forget, we have got 19
different ballots - 18 different provinces and one national ballot that they are going to be
collecting. And also don't forget for the referendum you never saw any lines of people
or pretty much you didn't see any lines -- because all they had to do was check a block.
And now they have a multi-page form that they can vote, you know, either for individuals
or for parties or blocks or, you know, teams or whatever. So the voting could be - well,
it's definitely going to result in lines of people. So I think you are going to have images
for the non-radio guys, let alone all of us actually but, I mean you are going to see those
lines, like you did last January, of people, and you are going to see lots of purple fingers
when they are walking out.
So I think the lECI and UN roles -- we have had no concerns with how well they have
managed this up to this point, and we understand the daunting task in front of them, and
we have been walking with them - or at least having sufficient oversight - to satisfy us
that everything is executable and that the timelines that they have established are
reasonable.
Q: Can you make sure to give us that MNF-I (Multi-National Force-Iraq) web site again,
so we can-
Brig Gen Alston: This is it. www.mnf-irag.com.
Q: MNF-dash-Iraq-dot-com?
Brig Gen Alston: That is correct.
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Q: And Don, you are going to try to send - if those sit reps are good, you are going to try
to send us some during the -
Brig Gen Alston: I will. I'll tell you what, I am going to send you guys something
anyway, because even if it's a message to say the sit rep's got some stuff in there that's
got me weak in the knees, but I am going to cut these pieces out and I am going to give
them to you.
So I'll find a way to deliver something, because, you know, we need your help. We've
got to get the word out here. I will tell you that, you know, even the government got with
the Iraqi press to say, hey, you know how important this is to the nation, so get out early,
get out often, and tell our people the story of what's going on for the sake ofIraq. And so,
you know, we're -~ we know that the Iraq - and that's my biggest concern. You know,
you're going to get the word. The guys back home are going to get the word. And I am
not taking that for granted, but my concern is last January we appeared to gain
momentum and gather steam as the day went on. And so I believe that was a function of
Iraqis emboldening Iraqis. I think it was a function of the few courageous that went out
and inspired others to go out. And I am not taking for granted that that won't happen
again this year. And so whatever we can do to ensure that people get the word that Iraqis
are voting, we are going to do our best to do that.
So we are going to be sending out our own MNF~I press releases; we'll be I think
incorporating pictures in those kind of things. But the key is Iraqis telling the story to
Iraqis, and that - we've got a lot of media in town, and the Iraqis and the pan-Arab folks
are going to be telling the story I think pretty effectively. But I'll be monitoring that
closely, because I think that's just key to ensuring that all the people ofIraq get the word
as soon as possible -- that things are going well, that things are safe, and that they can go
out there and take on their democratic responsibility and participate in this
constitutionally based, democratically elected permanent government.
Q: Great.
Ms. Jones. All right, gentlemen. I don't think we have any more questions. So I just want
to remind everyone the call was on background, but you may say that it was a senior 000
official in Baghdad. Thanks for agreeing to that, general. And again, thanks for your
time, and we will follow up and get that stuff out to you guys.
Brig Gen Alston: Call and write any time. Love hearing from you and thanks so much.
Q: Take care, Don.
(end)
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From:" JedBabbin@flMld
To: RUff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Aliardck@j";"I:i-!I'r.G\:tl.·mccauslj@liI'lJI:i:lliRI991• •,
steven@thegreerfoundation.org; tmcinemeY@li5Tld ndcf@~
Eric: I really didn't get anything memorable from the cadets. As I mentioned, they were all tossing me the
"school solution." Here are the few worth repeating:
"Me and the others want to make something work."
"We are very eager to fight. "
"We ar~ very proud because we are going to lead."
The best quote I got there was from Brigadier Mousa, on his philosophy of suppressing ethnic and tribal
loyalities: "If anyone talks I am Kurd, Shia, Sunni, I kick them outside first day."
Hope this helps. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From:" , Major F. Andy Messing, Jr. (Ret)1 NDCF [NDCF@GD..."M__
Sent: Tuesda~, December 13, 2005 7:41 AM
To: tiMm MAJ MNFI STRATEFF COMMS DIV
Subject: Re: [UJ comms check
D e a r _..
I'll be on FOX News TV debating a left-wing Catholic Priest about 2 PM EST.../'II know tomorrow the more or less exact
time additionally, I am writing an Op-Ed on dead-line for the Washington Times.. " and I need MG "Fuzzy Webster's first
name as I am "Good-mouthing 10 him....can you help'?
Regards; ANDY Messing
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From:~MAJ MNFI STRATEFF COMMS DIV
To: COL(Ret) Allard; COl(Ret) McCausland; CSM(Ret) Greer; HON Eric Ruff ; LTC(Ret) Jed
Babbin ; LTG(ret) Mcinerney; Maj(Ret) Messing
Subject:·[U] comms check
Gentlemen - could I ask for times if you are on TV so we are able to watch?
MajmIG)

If this e-mail is marked FOO OFFICIAL USE ONLY it may be exempt from mandatory disclosure
under FOIA. DoD 5400.7~, "000 Freedom of Information Act Program", 000 Directive 5230.9,
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From: • • LTC (b)(6)

Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:00 AM
Subject: RE: nbc news
Eric,
Great news. We had BG Bolger on the radio with Jed Babbin last night as a matter of fact. We gave rI~:m;]
•• • • •
access to the Police Commandos today all day and an interview with LTG Dempsey and that will run tonight on ABC
News. Should be a good piece. I have worked withfb\flA_ and rr.ftbefore so I look forWard to (loing a piece with them.
Thanks so much. I enjoyed meeting you and look forward to working together more.
Best,
LTC (b)(6)
Public Affairs Officer
Multi-National Security Transition Command·lraq
Phoenix Base, International Zone, Baghdad
DSN: (b)(2)
Commercial: (b)(2)
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From: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA [mailto:Eric.Ruff@mIm'I

To:~mI5 LTC
Subject: nbc news
hello,. i described the real success that is taking place at imar to nbc producer, courtney kube, who works here with
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i expect she or someone from nbc will want to start building a story-about the academy, which not only
impressed me, but the analysts as well. command sgt major greer was on fox yesterday talking about what he saw.
anticipate there will be more as the week progresses. thanks.
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From: Slbabbin~
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:48 PM
Subject: Jed Babbin's photo of you
Attachments: DSCN0003.JPG
Per Jed's request, attached is Jed Babbin's photo taken of you
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From:
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Aliardck@nMt:tW
Monday, December 12, 2 057:56 PM
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steven@. • ; Ruff, Enc, SES. OASD-PA JedBabbin@:mtmw
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Cc:
Merrttt. Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-F'A
Subject: Re: [UJ Comms check
In a message dated 12/12/20056:19:50 P.M. Central Standard Tjme, NDCF@'iMit_wriles.
Non Responsive
People on the night back down to Pensacola kept wondering why Ihal guy In the MSN8C hat Kepi breaking out into
unexplained giggles· thai's Why!
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From:' Major F. Andy Messing. Jr. (Ret)} NDCF lNbCF@lftfiH i
Sent: Monday, December 12. 2005 2:22 pM
To: Allardck@dMlitWI51Ei 2 i mccauslj~
steven .. • . RuN. Eric. SES, OASD-PA; JedBabbin@mICDII

tmcinerneY@15tM
Cc: Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD·PA
Subject: Re: [U] Comms check
Dear MajormmD/Richard...
I always enjoy being thrown together with other Type A personalities... but, reflecting on that... it was
a generally gracious group who will try hard to continue helpIng America... and our troops... hence it
is always an honor to be with fellow patriots! Clearly, LTG Mcinerney classed up an affair which
otherwise would have been a low-class event. _. .
As for Y0\.lr conduct.... ' am still glad I prevented you from killing both "Carl ll Allard & Jed Babbin afew
.nights ago In our Barracks accommodation... when they were snoring and farting at a high pitch and
rate! Fortunately you came to your senses on 1hethird slap ..though taking away that K-Bar from you
became difficult at one point I Steve Greer jumping in to help ....made the dlfference... Damn, I must
vow to get back in shape I .
Please convey our sincere Thanks to all... as having run those "tour" groups many times ... I know
they are difficult...and it was evident that allot of planning and effort went into it.'
Stay Safe... and you are invited to come sailing'on my yacht in KEY WEST. the ARK ANGEL....just
. whistle I We'll toss afew in SLOPPY JOE's Bar offa Duval Street II
Be t e ards A Y Me in
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eric.ruff@1Ma. ~ ; tmcinerne. ;~ ' .
Cc: roxle.merrltt@hmi_ .
Sent: Monday, December 12, 200511:46 PM
SUbject: Re: [U] Comms check
mi· We have you to thank for the fact that Ihe worsl part of the trip was the Interminable return flight with Brit
Airways. Best part was Ihe honor of being back In a combat zone amongst comrades-in-arms, to say nothing of the
twin pleasures of enjoying the company of . (older than God In Tom's case!) while making new ones like you.
. old friends
.Just wish you coulda been there as we left and your counterpart In Kuwait asked us for our names and seating
"preferences - which was slme!:L!22..9.22d a chance for me to pass up: "My name is Andy Messing and I think that .
Non Responsive • _
Which may weU become the slogan we use if there Is ever an official T-shirt made up to commemorate the trip,
God ble~s • and thanks to you and your crew for puttng up with us.
Your friend
"Carl"
ps: First KTSA hit is tomorrow at 5:30, so tell your most atlractlve/avallable relatives to IIslen inl And you don't have a
hair on your ass If you don't SWEA~ up and down to SFCtmt_ that Babbin's bag never made It on the bus after
2
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all! :-)
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From: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASO-PA

Sent: MondiEecember 12, 20055:45 pM
To: tmmJ F
Cc: Oi Rita, Larry, CIV, OSO; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD·PA
Subject: FW: Military Analysts Who Went to Iraq; as of Monday at 5pm
The analyst are back from Iraq and starting to make do their thing -- very positive
contribution to the reporting ..
All commentary by military analysts thus far is positive. Some highlights:
Jeffrey McCauslin:
* The U.S. troops I talked to feel that life is getting better for Iraqis
Steven Greer:
* The three tier strategy (political, economic and security) is working

* The Iraqi security forces are much better than they were six months ago
* The U.S has transferred authority of a key border town (between Iraq and Syria) to
Iraqi forces and we have disrupted foreign fignters and terrorists coming from Syria
weBS :"' New York
12/10/2005 4:00:47 AM
Reporter: CBS news military analyst Jeffrey McCauslin has been talking with us troops in
Fallujah. McCauslin: leve just been asking the U.S. troops if they believe through their
patrols throughout the city that life in Iraq is getting better. They all uniformly
thought it was getting better allover the country.
12/12/2005 8:17:02 AM
Newscaster: As the people in Iraq start voting today for people in hospitals and prisons
security? Our next guest just got back from Iraq. Newscaster2: Retired Major Steve
Greer joins us now from Washington, D.C. thanks for being with us. Greer: Hey, good
morning. Newscaster2: first, give us an update. Because here in the states, IUm sure you
realize this, there is this big debate over people like Joe Lieberman that just got back
are more accurate about the upbeat picture of what's happening in Iraq or if others' are
more accurate when they say it's just not going well. What did you find? Greer: Good
morning. Yeah, I would tell you, as a whole, the strategy is working. There is no doubt
that this three tier strategy, of the political, the economic, and the security, is
working. And that is a correct structure. And I would also tell that you the Iraqi
security forces are much better than they were six months ago in terms of their
capability, their comm'itment to the progress of their new country and their desire to be
part of a team effort. And so that's the good news. There are some. 212, 220,000 Iraqi
security forces currently. TheyOre continuing to assume more and more of their battle
space which allows our forces to disengage and eventually to return home. Newscaster:
Sergeant, what do you know about the way we're approaching this election as opposed to the
5
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other two? The other two went pretty well from the security perspective. What are we going
to do to make sure the sunni areas allow those that want to vote to be able to vote?
Greer: Well, certainly the Anbar Province is a critical area. What we've done recently
transferred the authority of Osaba, the first border town between the Iraq and Syrian
border 'that is the first critical note. We disrupted the flow of foreign fighters and
terrorists coming from Syria. So that's a key point. The next point here is that I think
you're looking at the sunni rejectionists, those who are not part of the terrorist network
or the foreign fighter network. Those guys are fence sitters. I think you might see those
guys vote in the morning and conduct attacks in the afternoon. Their strategy is a duel
strategy. Newscaster: Steve, let's talk about how long it should take to get an army up
and running. Some critics of the president said, look, we train men and women to go into
Anybody that thinks that doesn't know what they're talking about. I tell you, up front,
you know, we don't train our forces in three months to go into combat. Those guys are
funneled into a unit and the armed forces have had 226 years of experience, And so the
training that goes into Iraqi security forces. And I can tell you I was at the military
academy. I was watching the new lieutenants that are becoming lieutenants and about to go
out to the field. And those guys figured this thing out. Newscaster2: All right. Command
Sergeant Steve Greer, thank you very much. Greer: Take care. '
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To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA;rUms elV, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD·
PA; Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD·PA; Thorp, Frank, RDML, OASD-PA
Cc: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; Smith, Dorrance, CIV, OSD
Subject: Re: Military Analysts Who Went to Iraq; as of Monday at 5pm
~ always does the week roll up for us,
Ab
From: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-FA
To; WSiki CIV, OASD-PAi Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-FA; Whitman, Bryan, SES,
OASD-FAi Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-FA; Thorp, Frank, RDML, OASD-FA
CC: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; Smith, Dorrance, CIV, aSD
Sent: Mon Dec 12 17:16:37 2005
SUbject: RE: Military Analysts Who Went to Iraqi as of Monday at 5pm
thanks, OObt~ i know you'll keep monitoring this. if you haven't been asked already,
could you be sure to compile an end-of-the-week (through this weekend) report on what the
analysts said? we'll want to be sure and get it to folks in theater. thanks again.
From: f('!bi4 2; ; CIV, OABD- FA
To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA;
Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-FA; Thorp, Frank, RDML, OASD-PA
SUbject: Military Analysts Who Went to Iraq; as of Monday at 5pm
Jeffrey McCauslin:
* The U.S. troops I talked to feel that life is getting better for Iraqis
Steven Greer:
* The three tier strategy (political, economic and security) is working

* The Iraqi security forces are much better than they were six months ago
* The U.S has transferred authority of a key border town (between Iraq and Syria) to
Iraqi forces and we have disrupted foreign fighters and terrorists coming from Syria
WCBS - New York
12/10/2005 4:00:47 AM
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Reporter: CBS news military analyst Jeffrey McCauslin has been talking with us troops in
Fallujah. McCauslin: I've just been asking the U.S. troOps if they believe through their
patrols throughout the city that life in Iraq is getting better. They all uniformly
thougpt it was getting better allover the country.
12/12/2005 B:17:02 AM
Newscaster: As the people in Iraq start voting today for people in hospitals and prisons
security? Our next guest just got back from Iraq. Newscaster2,; Retired Major Steve
Greer joins us now from Washington, D.C. thanks for being with us. Greer: Hey, good
morning. Newscaster2: First, give us an update. Because here in the states, I'm sure you
realize this, there is this big debate over people like Joe Lieberman that just got back
are more accurate about the upbeat picture of what's happening in Iraq or if others are
more accurate when they say it's just not going well. What did you find? Greer: Good
morning. Yeah, I would tell you, as a whole, the strategy is working. 'There is no doubt
that this three tier strategy, of the political, the economic, and the security, is
working. And that is a correct structure. And I would also tell that you the Iraqi
security forces are much better than they were six months ago in terms of their
capability, their commitment to the progress of their new 'country and their desire to be
part of a team effort. And so that's the good news. There are some 212, 220,000 Iraqi
security forces currently. They're continuing to assume more and more of their battle
space which allows our forces to disengage and eventually to return home. Newscaster:
Sergeant, what do you know about the way we're approaching this election as opposed to the
other two? The other two went pretty well from the security perspective. What are we going
to do to make sure the Sunni areas allow those that want to vote to be able to vote?
Greer: Well, certainly the Anbar Province is a critical area. What we've done recently
transferred the authority of Osaba, the first border town between the Iraq and Syrian
border that is the first critical note. We disrupted the flow of foreign fighters and
terrorists coming from Syria. So that's a key point. The next point here is that I think
you're looking at the Sunni rejectionists, those who are not part of the terrorist network
or the foreign fighter network. Those guyS are fence sitters. I think you might see those
guys vote in the morning and conduct attacks in the afternoon. Their strategy is a duel
strategy. Newscaster: Steve, let's talk about how long it should take to get an army up
and running. some critics of the president said, look, we train men and women to go into
Anybody that thinks that doesn't know what they're talking about. I tell you, up front,
you know, we don't train our forces in thre'" months to go into combat. Those guys are
funneled into a unit and the armed forces have had 226 years of experience. And so the
training that goes into Iraqi security forces. And I can tell you I was at the military
academy. I was watching the new lieutenants that are becoming lieutenants and about to go
out to the field. And those guys figured this thing out. Newscaster2: All right. Command
Sergeant Steve Greer, thank you very much. Greer: Take care.
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From:· CIV,OASD·PA
SUbject: RE: Military Analysts Who Went to Iraq; as of Monday at 5pm
Will do!

To:fi5fm ; CIV, OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Di Rita, Larry, CIV,
OSD-OASD-PA; Thorp, Frank, RDML, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: Military Analysts Who Went to Iraq; as of Monday at 5pm
thanks,~mhtl i know YOU'll keep monitoring this. if you haven't been asked already, could you be sure to compile an end
of-the-week (through this weekend) report on what the analysts said? we'll want to be sure and get it to folks in theater,
thanks again,
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Subject: Military Analysts Who Went to Iraq; as of Monday at Spm
Jeffrey McCauslin:
• The U.S. troops I talked to feel that life is getting better for Iraqis
Steven Greer:
• The three tier strategy (political, economic and security) is working

• The Iraqi security forces are much better than they were six months ago
• The U.S has transferred authority of a key border town (between Iraq and Syria) to Iraqi forces and we
have disrupted foreign fighters and terrorists coming from Syria
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WCBS - New York
12/10/20054:00:47 AM
Reporter: CBS news military analyst Jeffrey McCauslin has been talking with us troops in Fallujah.
McCauslin: I've just been asking the U.S. troops if they believe through their patrols throughout the city that life
in Iraq is getting better. They all uniformly thought it was getting better all over the country.
12/12/20058:17:02 AM
Newscaster: As the people in Iraq start voting today for people in hospitals and prisons and military
installations, how long will it be from before the forces can take over the security? Our next guest just got back
from Iraq. Newscaster2: Retired Major Steve Greer joins us now from Washington, D.C. thanks for being
with us. Greer: Hey, good morning. Newscaster2: First, give us an update. Because here in the states, I'm
sure you realize this, there is this big debate over people like Joe Lieberman that just got back are more accurate
about the upbeat picture of what's happening in Iraq or if others are more accurate when they say itls just not
going well. What did you find? Greer: Good morning. Yeah, I would tell you, as a whole, the strategy is
working. There is no doubt that this three tier strategy, of the political, the economic, and the security, is
working. And that is a correct structure. And I would also tell that you the Iraqi security forces are much better
than they were six months ago in tenus of their capability, their commitment to the progress of their new
country and their desire to be part of a team effort. And so that's the good news. There are some 212, 220,000
Iraqi security forces currently. They're continuing to assume more and more of their battle space which allows
our forces to disengage and eventually to return home. Newscaster: Sergeant, what do you know about the way
we're approaching this election as opposed to the other two? The other two went pretty well from the security
perspective. What are we going to do to make sure the Sunni areas allow those that want to vote to be able to
vote? Greer: Well, certainly the Anbar Province is a critical area. What we've done recently transferred the
authority of Osaba, the first border town between the Iraq and Syrian border that is the first critical note. We
disrupted the flow offoreign fighters and terrorists coming from Syria. So that's a key point. The next point here
is that I think you're looking at the Sunni rejectionists, those who are not part of the terrorist network or the
foreign fighter network. Those guys are fence sitters. I think you might see those guys vote in the morning and
conduct attacks in the afternoon. Their strategy is a duel strategy. Newscaster: Steve, let's talk about how long
it should take to get an army up and running. Some critics of the president said, look, we train men and women
to go into combat with just three months combat training. And now it's already been two years for many the
Iraqi forces. To some it might seem like their heart just isn't in it. Greer: Anybody that thinks that doesn't
know what they're talking about. I tell you, up front, you know, we don't train our forces in three months to go
into combat. Those guys are funneled into a unit and the armed forces have had 226 years of experience. And so
the lessons that we learned over such a long time frame are directly impacting the quality of training that goes
into Iraqi security forces. And I can tell you I was at the military academy. I was watching the new lieutenants
that are becoming lieutenants and about to go out to the field. And those guys figured this thing out.
Newscaster2: All right. Command Sergeant Steve Greer, thank you very much. Greer: Take care.
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Please don't for me. I got retasked about 45 mins after landing in kuwait. III be back in
iraq tomorrow. I know you missed me. :) Dallas Lawrence Director, Office of Community
Relations and public Liaison
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Eric, SES, OASD-PA; LTC(Ret) Jed Babbin; LTG (ret) McInerney; Maj (Ret) Messing
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Gentlemen - just a reminder to check and see if you have cleaned out your boxes I will
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Fl:om: Oi Rita, Larry, CIV, OSO-OASO-PA

Subject: RE: More calls for SecOef resignation?
Hey--where are you? How's it going?
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 12:35 'PM
To: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA
Subject: Re: More calls for SecDef resignation?
We ought to get this to warner. He should know mccaffrey is using his name and tagging
him to reed, et al. Thanks.
From: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA
To:~3U9 I CIV, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD
PA; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA
Sent: Wed Dec 07 11:47:54 2005
Subject: RE: More calls for SecDef resignation?
yes. it would be useful to see what you found. tnx ..
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From: wdj CIV, OASD-PA
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 11:47 AM
To: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD
Subject: More calls for SecDef resignation?
We have an impression that we have not yet validated that there has been an increase in
the number of commentators, politicians, and even military analysts calling for Secretary
Rumsfeld's firing or resignation. They seem to be calling out his "bad judgments" and
pinning the war on him more and more - versus criticizing the President.
Would it be useful for us to explore this further for you to provide "crunchy numbers" as
best we can?
Just FYI - Here is how one blogger reviewed the Matt Lauer/Barry McCaffrey exchange on
"Today" this morning.
Lauer & McCaffrey: Bring Us the Head of Donald Rumsfeld!
Posted by Mark Finkelstein on December 7, 2005 - 07:26.
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The forces of NBC, in the persons of Matt ~auer and Barry McCaffrey, launched a major
attack on the enemy this morning. No, not on Al-Qaida or the Baathist dead-enders. We're
~alking of a real MSM enemy: Donald Rumsfeld.
Lauer: "Sticking to the subject of morale, it's clear that there were miscalculations
going into this war. Clearly the way we were going to be greeted hasn't turned out to be
the reality, the level and the scope of the insurgencies [were underestimated], so when it
comes again to military commanders and'troops, do you feel they may be frustrated that
back home l.n Washington no cine has lost their job over this?"
McCaffrey: "Clearly bad jUdgments were made by the civilian leadership in the Pentagon
going into this war. It got away from us, it didn't have to be this way. One would think
Sec. Rumsfeld and others would be held accountable for it."
Lauer, finally sensing blood in the water: "These military people live by a code, among
other things, of accountability, so do you think they would want someone like Sec.
Rumsfeld or others to be held accountable?"
McCaffrey suggested that troops in the field wouldn't focus on that, but that "the
military leadership" realizes that the civilian heads of the Pentagon engaged in
"widespread" misjudgements.
Lauer, clearly now with his man in his sights: "You've heard the drumbeats f.or a while and
it seems to be intensifying again [thanks to you, Matt} surrounding Sec. Rumsfeld. Do you
think he's going to hold onto his job?"
Lauer hit the Mother Lode, as McCaffrey replied:
"I'm surprised to be honest he's still there. His judgments were egregiously wrong. He'S
staying now to shape the Armed Forces over the next 20 years. It's hard to imagine why
someone who made that series of bad calls would be allowed to be the architect of future
armed forces."
McCaffrey called on a number of senators to lead the anti-Rumsfeld coup. He described

McCain, Hagel, Warner, Reed as people "who understand national security," and in a clear
pitch for them to lead the revolt, said "it's about time for them to step in and make
their views known."
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From: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD·OASD·PA

SUbject: RE: More calls for SecDef resignation?
Good idea.
Sent: wednesday, December 07, 2005 12:35 PM
To: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSO-OASO-PA
Subject: Re: More calls for SecDef resignation?
We ought to get this to warner. He should know mccaffrey is using his name and tagging
him to reed, et al, Thanks.
From! Di Rita Lar~ CIV, OSD-OASD-PA
To: rlMld ' . CIV, OASD-PA; whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD
PA; Barber. Allison, CIV, OASD-PA
Sent: Wed Dec 07 11:47:54 2005
SUbject: RE: More calls for SecDef resignation?
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From: '1ni3 ,
CIV, OASD-PA
To: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSO-OASO-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASO-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASO
Subject: More calls for SecDef resignation?
We have an impression that we have not yet validated that there has been an increase in
the number of commentators, politicians, and even military analysts calling for Secretary
Rumsfeld's firing or resignation. They seem to be calling out his "bad judgments" and
pinning the war on him more and more - versus criticiZing the President.
Would it be useful for us to explore this further for you to provide "crunchy numbers" as
best we can?
Lauer & McCaffrey: Bring Us the Head of Donald Rumsfeldl
Posted by Mark Finkelstein on December 7, 2005 - 07:26.
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The forces of NBC, in the persons of Matt Lauer and Barry MCCaffrey, launched a major
atta 7k on the enemy this morning. No, not on AI-Qaida or the Baathist dead-enders. We're
talk~ng of a real MSM enemy: Donald Rumsfeld.
Lauer: "Sticking to the subject of morale, it's clear that there were miscalculations
going into this war. Clearly the way we were going to be greeted hasn't turned out to be
the reality, the level and the scope of the insurgencies [were underestimated], so when it
comes again to military commanders and troops, do you feel they may be frustrated that
back home in Washington no one has lost their job over this?"
McCaffrey: "Clearly bad judgments were made by the civilian leadership in the Pentagon
going into this war. It got away from us, it didn't have to be this way. One would think
Sec. Rumsfeld and others would be held accountable for it."
Lauer, finally sensing blood in the water: "These military people live by a code, among
other things, of accountability, so do you think they would want someone like Sec.
Rumsfeld or others to be held accountable?"
McCaffrey suggested that troops in the field wouldn't focus on that, but that "the
military leadership" realizes that the civilian heads of the Pentagon engaged in
"widespread" misjudgem·ents.
Lauer, clearly now with his man in his sights: "You've heard the drumbeats for a while and
it seems to be intensifying again [thanks to you, Matt] surrounding Sec. Rumsfeld. Do you
think he's going to hold onto his job?"
"I'm surprised to be honest he's still there. His judgments were egregiously wrong. He's
staying now to shape the Armed Forces over the next 20 years. It's hard to imagine why
someone who made that series of bad calls would be allowed to be the architect of future
armed forces."

pitch for them to lead the revolt, said "it's about time for them to step in and make
their views known."
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To: ~CIV, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA;
~IV, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: More calls for SecDef resignation?
From: ~ eIV, OASD-PA
To: Di Rita, Larry, av, OSD-OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Barber,
Allison, eIV, OASD-PA
Subject: More calls for SeeDef resignation?
We have an impression that we have not yet validated that there has been an increase in the
number of commentators, politicians, and even military analysts calling for Secretary Rumsfeld's
firing or resignation. They seem to be calling out his "bad judgments" and pinning the war on
him more and more - versus criticizing the President.
Would it be useful for us to explore this further for you to provide "crunchy numbers" as best we
can?
Lauer & McCaffrey: Bring Us the Head of Donald Rumsfeld!

Posted by r'!l<lI~_.flDJs~J.g~j}l on December 7,2005 - 07:26.
The forces of NBC, in the persons of Matt Lauer and Barry
. McCaffrey, launched a major attack on the enemy this
morning. No, not onAI-Qaida or the Baathist dead-enders.
We're talking ofa real MSM enemy: Donald Rumsfeld.
Lauer: "Sticking to the subject of morale, it's clear that there

were miscalculations going into this war. Clearly the way we
were going to be greeted hasn't turned out to be the reality,
the level and the scope of the insurgencies [were
~~:o- underestimated], so when it comes again to military
_ _ _ commanders and troops, do you feel they may be
frustrated that back home in Washington nCo one has lost
their job over this?"
McCaffrey: "Clearly bad judgments were made by the civilian leadership in the Pentagon going into
this war. It got away from us, it didn't have to 'be this way. One would think Sec. Rumsfeld and
others would be held accountable for it."
Lauer, finally sensing blood in the water: "These military people live by a code, among other things,
of accountability, so do you think they would want someone like Sec. Rumsfeld or others to be
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held accountable?"
McCaffrey suggested that troops in the field wouldn't focus on that, but that "the military leadership"
realizes that the civilian heads of the Pentagon engaged in "widespread" misjudgements.
Lauer, clearly now with his man in his sights: "You've heard the drumbeats for a while and it'
seems to be intensirying again [thanks to you, Matt] surrounding Sec. Rumsfeld. Do you think
he's going to hold onto his job?"
"I'm surprised to be honest he's still there. His judgments were egregiously wrong. He's staying
now to shape the Armed Forces over the next 20 years. It's hard to imagine why someone who
made that series of bad calls would be aHowed to be the architect of future armed forces."

pitch for them to lead the revolt, said "it's about time for them to step in and make their views
known."
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FW: military analysts call - final transcript Page I of 1
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From: Alston C Donald BG MNFI STRATEFF COMMS DIV Chief [donald.alston (b)(6)
Sent: Wednesday, December 07,200510:32 AM
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Dewey G COL MNFI STRATEFF COMMS DIV
Subject: [U] RE: military analysts call - final transcript
Attachments: 12-06-05 ADM G, BG Ham, BG VotellEDs.doc
Can do easy.
·Thanks.
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To: Alston C Donald BG MNFI STRATEFF COMMS DIV Chief
ee: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
SUbject: FW: military analysts call - final transcript
sir,
attached is the transcript from the call to the military analysts with ADM G, BG Votel and BG Ham from yesterday.
the call was on the new ied task force. eric ruff asked me to pass this along to you. not all of those on the trip
were able to join the call. it would be great if they could get a copy of this... could one of your staff provide copies
for them and hand them to mr. ruff to pass along?? appreciate the assist!
hope you are well,
rnm
Note: The call was ON BACKGROUND.
«12-06-05 ADM G, BG Ham, BG VotelIEDs.doc»
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Transcript
Military Analyst Call - IEDs
Dec. 6, 2005 - OSD Public Affairs _ _
Hosts: Allison Barber, _ OASDPA
Briefers: ADM Giambastiani, BG Ham, BG Votel
Transcriber:~
ON BACKGROUND
Ms. Barber: Hello folks, it's Allison Barber. We are ready to get started. Thanks so much
for calling in today. 1 think you have the agenda. We'll open up with General Ham is
going to make some remarks for us this morning - or this afternoon, and then we'll turn it
over to Admiral Giambastiani. Thank you, sir, for being with us today.
ADM G: Sure AUison.
Ms. Barber: And with that, we'll get started. Please remember this is on background. But
we're happy to take your questions, field them, and get back to you with any thing in
addition to this after the call. General Ham.
BO Ham: Thanks Allison. In Iraq, over 214,000 members of the Iraqi Security Forces are
engaged in operations to secure their country and prepare for the Dec. 15 elections. The
Iraqi Ministry of Defense has about 100 battalions - Army, Special Operations, and
Strategic Infrastructure Protection - that are in the fight today.
And over one third ofthese battalions are leading operations with U.S. and other
Coalition forces in support.
Yesterday, as another indicator of progress, the Iraqi Air Force flew their first C-130
mission with an all-Iraqi crew. And elements of the Iraqi Army's first battalion, first
brigade, 9 th Division, completed their T-55 and BMP-l (sp) gunnery qualifications in
preparation for their conduct of operations in the western part ofIraq.
Iraqi Ministry of Interior forces are also progressing, with over 112.,000 members in
operational units, ranging from the well-known special police battalions, of which there
are 12, to border forces, highway patrol, dignitary protection and civil intervention forces.
Today, there are approximately 73,000 local and provincial police, which is about half of
what will eventually be required throughout the country. Each Iraqi unit has a Coalition
transition team with it, and, at both Ministry of Defense and Ministry of Interior there are
Coalition advisory teams focused on strengthening these national-level organizations.
For the U.S., we have approximately 156,000 on the ground in Iraq today. This number
will stay at about this level through the (Dec. 15) elections. Shortly after the elections,
we'll transition as many as five brigades nearly simultaneously, so the actual in-country
numbers will spike for a short time in January until the outgoing units actually redeploy.
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In addition to the U.S., other Coalition partners have 21,000 personnel committed to
operations in Iraq.
As we help the Iraqis plan and prepare for the upcoming elections, there are some very
positive indicators of wide-spread voter participation. Still, security preparations are
ongoing, and there are multiple operations ongoing in an effort to disrupt terrorists and
other enemy forces from what we believe will be an effort to interfere with the electoral
process.
And to be sure, there have been reports of threats and intimidation. We have seen Iraqi
Security Forces attacked across the country, including the attack on the police academy
classroom today in Baghdad.
But despite these attacks, Iraqi Security Forces continue to improve. There are occasional
setbacks, but the progress is evident and momentum is building.
Operation Sayaid in the Euphrates River Valley is a good example of what can be
accomplished when Coalition and Iraqi security forces work together. From November
26th until December 3rd, from al Qaim to Hadithah to Ramadi, Iraqis and Coalition
forces conducted coordinated, simultaneous operations which resulted in the
establishment of multiple outposts from which the Iraqi Security Forces can now operate.
Together, Coalition forces and Iraqi Security Forces detained over 1,000, many resulting
from tips provided by local Iraqis.
Almost 300 weapons caches were discovered. But probably most importantly, the people
of the Euphrates River Valley saw their forces - Iraqi Security Forces - operating against
the terrorists in this critical area of the west. .
The Euphrates River VaHey remains a difficult area to secure, but through Operation
Sayaid Iraqis have made some notable progress. This type of progress is occurring across
the country, as every day Iraqi Security Forces march toward the day when they will be
able to secure their people and their nation.
Thanks.
Ms. Barber: And with that Admiral Giambastiani we'l! open up to you to talk about the
IED Task Force.
ADM G: Okay, Allison. I assume everybody can hear me okay here.
Ms. Barber: Let me do a check real fast. Is the volume okay for our folks on the call?
Voices: Yes. Yes, it's good.
Ms. Barber: Thank you, sir.
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ADM G: Okay, great. What I wanted to do is just take a couple minutes - you saw, I
suspect most of you saw -. an announcement that came out of public affairs naming
retired four-star General Montgomery Meigs, United States Army, to take over as the
new head of the Joint Improvised Explosive Device Task Force.
Now here with me today is Brigadier General Joe Votel, who has been heading up this
effort for a significant period of time. Joe will become the deputy commander as of the
I i\ once Gen. Meigs comes in.
And there's a couple reasons why we did this. But first of all, it's clear to all of you, I
suspect, as it is clear to us, that the single most significant threat that we face in theater
and I say around the world, but particularly in Iraq, and we'll probably see more of in the
future - not probably, we know we will - are these improvised explosive devices.
Now what I wanted to just tell you is is that you may not have heard this ever before, but
I look at these IEDs - it just happens to be a name - I call them weapons of
indiscriminate destruction. And I think that it's important for - and I'm not telling you
we're changing the name ofthis task force because everybody understands what an lED
or this improvised explosive device is - but it's used, and it's killing a lot of civilians in
addition to military personnel.
But the primary source ofD.S. casualties, both injuries and deaths, are from these IEDs.
And the number of civilian casualties continues to increase, in particular in locations such
as Iraq, but obviously you've seen them used in other countries around the world.
The Joint lED Task Force is, along with the Services and all of DoD, is designed to take
on this end-to-end threat. And I'm not talking just about technologies; I am talking about
looking at intel, tactics, techniques and procedures, operational analysis, research and
development, there's a whole variety of things that we're using here.
Now along with Monty Meigs coming on board on the It h of December, and he'll be
working full time on this particular job, we're going to grow the JED Task Force from
about 175-ish, somewhere in there, to almost 300 people. And part of the reason why
we're doing this is we're going to open an improvised explosive device center of
excellence out at the National Training Center at Fort Irwin, California. And this will
help us synchronize, it will help us integrate technology, training and concept
development, frankly, with not only the NTC, but other training centers for all of the
Services around the country so that we in fact can bring about the best practices, the best
equipment, the best techniques, the best tactics that we learn into the training regime in
an even more comprehensive and coherent way.
So, we brought that through the Service chiefs; we brought that through all of the
Services and washed it through the leadership here in the Pentagon. And this is all part of
this broader effort to look at these evolving threats in the mid- to long-term, in addition tp
those that we're dealing with immediately.
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Just a reminder here: Again I said end-to-end. This is meant to be a defeat of the entire
lED system again. We are looking at just about anything we can. We want to make sure
that we continue and do even a better just of sharing best practices amongst all of our
troops, our forces that are deployed, and also on the training end of this.
Now, for the sake of time, and I know you all want to ask some questions, I'm not going
to go through right here the history. I can answer that in one of the questions, if you'd
like, of the evolution of this task force. But we've done quite a bit.
Let me just suffice it to say that Gordon England is the acting deputy secretary of
defense, and myself as the vice chairman, currently have General Votel and his group
reporting directly to us, if you will, in an effort to make sure there is nothing between
what this task force needs to execute it's mission to help our soldiers, sailors, airmen,
Marines and Coast Guardsmen, and also to deal with civilians, that there's nothing
between the task force and us.
We have significantly removed a lot of speed bumps, road blocks, whatever you want to
call it. We've given General Votel in the form of directives signed by the deputy
secretary quite a bit of authority involving contracting up to $25 million a pop for
literally anything we need to execute within the IED realm.
The task force has expended in FY '05 $1.345 billion and again in FY '05 on IED
initiatives and there is a substantial increase in that for FY '06 between what we've got
funded mainly out of supplementals from the Congress, and we're working to spend that
in a very smart way.
I guess with that, rather than me continuing on and talking about what this adaptive,
innovative enemy is like and how we respond to this, and also what initiatives we've got
going on, and talking about some of the success stories, let me just open it up for
questions. Now I suspect we're going to get part of that. Is that reasonable Allison?
Ms. Barber: Perfect.
ADMG:OK.
Ms. Barber: That's great. Thank you, sir.
ADM G: And I think we've got about 15 minutes left here. And that way we'll have a
good 15 minutes of questions.
Ms. Barber: Great.
ADM G: Over to you.
Ms. Barber: Thanks. And with that I'll open it up for questions, please.
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Q: Allison, Bob Maginnis. Question on shape (?) charge that we saw General Webster
over in the 3'd LD. He showed us one that he'd recovered. Do we have a working solution
in that regard.
ADM G: Let me just say one thing -- this is Ed Giambastiani -- before I put Joe Votel on
here. I'm - you're going to find that I don't like to talk about technologies that defeat
anything. I am a submarine officer myself, and there's an old expression from World War
II that "Loose lips sink ships," and I'm not, quite frankly, interested in reading about
shape charges, non-shape charges, techniques and technologies that defeat these devices.
That's where J am. And Jjust don't think it's healthy for our folks, because there's too
much that gets put on the Internet, there's too much that gets distributed. So I'm not
going to get in to any details, and neither is General Votel, on any of these types of
discussions.
Even though you read it, and somebody may show it to you, you're going to find less and
less of this is going to be shared with you because too much of it gets put in the press.
And I need your Delp fellows, because we lose people as a result of spreading some of
this. This is a very reactlve enemy, and they use what they read in the press and
interactively on the Internet to respond, in addition to watching our tactics. So it's very
important to us not to get into these details. J am sorry but we won't do it.
Ms. Barber: Next question?
Q: Well, let me ask another question then Allison. The T-ns (sp) that went into the 9th
Division, I heard General Ham say that the T-SS went through successful tank gunnery,
are we going to find those T-ns being used now? That's been almost two months, hasn't
it?
BO Ham: This is Brigadier General Ham. The T-ns arrived last month and have been
incorporated into the Iraqi Anny. Those crews have not yet been fuI1y trained and
through the gunnery exercise similar to the one the T-SSs have been. We fully expect that
that will occur, but I don't have for you a timeline when that will occur.
Q: Admiral, Jed Babbin, going back to the issue -- I know you don't want to talk about
technologies. Can you tell us how you're organizing with General Meigs to get new
developments out into the field faster, get contracts done? You know, we hear about
effects-based (sp) contracting and things like that but - are you turning DARPA on full
blast? How are you going to get this stuff out to the field fast?
ADM G: Well, let me give you a couple of thoughts first. J am going to let Joe go
through a couple of these with you, also. First of all, I talked to you about the line-item
authority that Joe has as the head of the task force and that General Meigs will have to be
able to sign up to $25 million contracts. There are also - even though we have a
continuing resolution going on right now - we are making sure, like we do on a routine
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day-to-day basis, that the coffers are always filled so that the lED task force can draw on
money without having to wait for the comptrollers to fill up some bin. That's typically
not normal in everything we do. So we've cut the time down substantially to about what
when you process a requirement Joe?
BG Votel: Usually we can get it within about 13 days.
ADM G: So what I would tell you is that's like light speed here in the Pentagon to be
able to get money out to put against almost any requirement we need. In addition to that,
we have removed a number of the hurdles for this to get washed through the building
once it's signed by General Vote!. That's why this money gets squeezed out very rapidly.
And, if anything exceeds that threshold of $25 million, even in the short period of time
Joe or Monty Meigs will be able to bring it in to the Deputy -like they have been doing,
and the Deputy will physically authorize the expenditure of that under his personal
signature, because he. has the line-item authority to do that. So there is no one in between
them. So that is a really fast-track mechanism of getting these things out.
Joe, you want to talk about any other additions?
BG Votel: Yes, sir. Thank you. One of the things - I think you raised a very good point
there about engaging the other Department of Defense, and quite honestly the other
national assets in this particular effort, and one of the things that we are doing, in fact, our
first session here is on Thursday, is we are sponsoring a national lab conference, where
we have called in all the Department of Defense, Department of Energy, the federally
funded research and development centers, to come in and (in a sense?) - what we're
going to do in a classified setting is bring their scientists up to speed on where we are
with the lED threat, inform them of how units are operating in Iraq -- and Afghanistan I
might add -- and tell them where we need there help.
And this is the second time we've done this with the national jobs. And it was very, very
fruitful last time, and so this is how we reach out to these type of organizations. And of
course, we have a very good long-term effort with them. We have stood up aJoint lab
board. Secretary England has asked us to look at the mid- and long-term research and
development science and technology efforts associated with this, recognizing this is
going to be a long-term threat that we are going to deal with. So we have leveraged those
organizations in that manner.
Let me just finally add that the other key partner out here with us is industry. One of the
things we are doing and we will be sponsoring in January downtown Washington is an
industry conference, where will bring members of industry in in both classified and
unclassified settings, and again, bring them up to speed on where we are with the threat,
how we are operating, and then where we need their help to help us address current and
future evolving threats.
ADM G: Guys, if! could just add to the industry piece, you should not take from what
Joe said that we haven't been dealing directly with industry. Let me just tell you that I
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have had folks like IBM come in to see mel but other major companies like that, and
when they talk to me, the single thing that I want them to work on is on lED defeat from
an end-to-end perspective - Northrup, Raytheon, all kinds of these companies have come
in to see me; they go in to see Joe Votel constantly. And we have them focusing in this
area, and have a whole wide variety of initiatives going on. We don't just restrict this to
U.S. industry and U.S. partners; we're also working with foreign partners who have some
fairly good ideas and who have dealt with this in the past.
Finally, we've also expanded this effort to bringa,number of our federally funded
research and development operations. The Institute for Defense Analysis has just
conducted about an eight.week study for us on operations aspects, and they've supervised
two other FFRDCs (sp) that we've brought in to assist in that - the Center for Naval
Analysis - CNA, and also RAND Corporation.
Ms. Barber: Great. Next question.
Q: This is Gordon Cucullu. I have one that I get all the time from audiences. And I don't
know that this falls into the technological or intel area that you prefer not to discuss but,
most Americans are somewhat mystified that the success of the rEDs because they have it
in their heads that we're the technologically superior force and that the terrorists are not.
Do you all see that these guys are getting technological support from outside the country,
or do you think that most of this is an indigenous development program?
ADM G: Let me answer it this way. First ofal!, I think it's important, Gordon, that you
recognize that these improvised explosive devices have been around in a variety of ways
for a very long time.
They are just - in some cases they are another form of a mine; they are another form of a
booby-trap. A vehicle-borne improvised explosive device during World War II was a
kamikaze. We've had vehicle systems that have been used as you know in Beruit,
Northern Ireland, Israel, and many other locations. So it isn't like these things are new.
Do we see some of the technologies coming in from other country or other areas?
Absolutely. And that's why - and what I mean by other areas, we see this being
proliferated on some of the web sites.
Q: Oh, okay, so that - in effect a virtual technological support for these thugs that's
global in scope?
ADM G: Exactly. And that's why you're seeing us being incredibly sensitive, and we're
trying to make sure that our folks are sensitive to not talk about the specifics of weapons,
the types of weapons, the form of their effects, or any of that stuff, because this stuff gets
spread almost instantly.
Q: Yeah, I can see that. Thank you.
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ADM G: You're welcome.
Ms. Barber: Next question, please.
Q: Admiral, Chuck Nash. Got a question about the makeup of the folks who are working
in this whole cm (?) task force. Is this a primary job? Is this their full focus? Or are a lot
of these folks working collateral duties?
ADM G: Let me say to you this way, Chuck, the purpose of this task force is - their job is
to wake up every morning and work on this full time, no other collateral assignments;
they are supposed to go to bed every night worrying about what the hell they didn't
accomplish during the day. Joe Votel here has got very significant personnel control over
the assignments; he can expend people - that's part of these set of authorities. Joe
probably - how many times was somebody going to transfer you, Joe, a detailer?
DO Votel: Too many to count.
ADM G: Too many to count. He's a Ranger, and he'd like to be back with the Rangers,
but he's been dedicated to this now, what- two years now?
BG Votel: Two and a half years.
ADM G: Two and a half years doing this. And this is - just about nothing else that I see
that's more important than this job. In fact, we joke with Joe, the Deputy and I, that if we
weren't doing our jobs, we'd be doing his job, because that's how important we think this
is. And that's the way this task force is supposed to deal with this.
So we want personnel stability, full-time dedication to it, and we want continuity and
longevity in the assignments. Joe?
BG Votel: Sir I think you've covered most of it. I would just add that the most important
resource that we have in here - although we are taken care of very well with our financial
aspects - is the people that we have working on the task force. And we have been in a
constant and consistent search for people who have expertise in the various areas that are
involved in this, and they reside not just in the Army but in the other joint Services out
there, and in some of our retired community as well, as we're seeing with General Meigs
here.
And we are reaching out to get the very, very best people that we can, get them involved
in this and then keep them involved in this so that we do preserve continuity of the effort.
ADM G: Guys, one last comment on this particular area. You may be interested just to
read a little bit about Monty Meigs background, but he wrote a book when he was at
National Defense University, called Slide Rules and Submarines. And I know it's
available, but if you read it, you'll probably learn one of the reasons why we hired him to
come back and do this in addition to him being a four star, in addition to him having
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served as a combatant commander in Korea, in addition to him commanding troops and

large formations and the rest, you']] see his analytic skills and the rest, and that's one of
the reasons we why brought him back. So if you're interested, you might pick that book
up; you'll learn a few things.
Ms. Barber: Great. And we probably have time for one or two more questions if there's
anything else on your mind on the call?
Q: Allison, one last question. Bob Maginnis. The JED task force on the ground in Iraq
providing timely feedback on the most recent - (inaudible) are we capturing that and will
that be linked in to what Joe Vote] is doing there on the ground in Fort Irwin and feed
back right away? What's the sort of sense of timeliness and collecting, expertise we've
been able to dip in to over in Iraq?
BG Votel: Look Bob, that is exactly right. And the cornerstone of the whole effort really
are - is the forward teams that we have in Iraq and Afghanistan who are out there
working with units, gathering information, helping disseminate first within theater and
then disseminating back here to us. And we use a variety of means to do that - simple
soldier solutions like newsletters that can get out very quickly to disseminate information
in theater, and then of course all the way to the use of the classified net that we have
available to us to send information straight to the combat training centers.
Interestingly, I had an opportunity to talk to Bob Cohen (sp), the commander out at NTC,
last week. One of the things we are working is making sure that we get some of his
observer controllers embedded into our teams to help facilitate that process and move
information very, very quickly.
We hold ourselves to very high standards moving money, and we want to do the same
thing with moving good practices as well. That's a very, very important aspect to what
we're trying to do.
ADM G: I might mention one last thing. I failed to mention before in including industry
in (and) the rest of it. This is now government. But we also are using a significant amount
of the Joint Center for Operational Analysis lessons learned group that's down in Joint
Forces Command in Norfolk, myoid command. They are working with these federally
funded research and development operations, CNA, RAND and IDA, to help do the
operational analysis on this piece.
Ms. Barber: Great. And with that
Q: Chuck Nash. To follow up on that admiral - the analysis piece to this. There are some
technologies out there that probably have non-kinetic collateral effects. And when you
look at the analysis, and moving forward with some of the new technologies that are
presenting, rules of engagement, things like that, could you address how those will be
developed and then worked into the training process?
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ADM G: I think the way to describe that, Chuck, is that you'll 'see us work through
concepts out at NTC, between there and places like the Yuma Proving Ground, where we
put those together in a way that we can test them out, we can train to them, and then we
deploy.
We've done some of that already. I should say Joe has done that with his lED task force,
and has deployed items to theater in that fashion in using that basic construct already. Joe
you want to add anything to that?
BG Vote]: No, I think that's exactly the idea. And I think that's the power of what we're
trying to use the combat training centers to help us with. You know, each of the Services
do have combat training centers. They can provide expertise into this and so our intention
is to work through those very type issues that you raised - the rules of engagement, the
escalation of force, other type issues associated with these solutions in a training
environment so that we can provide not only good technologies, but a good concept of
operations to the fielded force.
Ms. Barber: Great. And with that we'll close for today. Folks, thanks for calling in.
Admiral, thank you for your time.
ADM G: Thank you very much. Good talking to you guys.
(end)
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Subject: Re: Conference Call with Senior DoD Official TOMORROW (TUESDAY)
jack jacobs will participate
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Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5: 17 PM
Subject: Conference Call with Senior ODD Official TOMORROW (TUESDAY)
MEMORANDUM
We invite you to ~articipate in a conference call, TOMORROW, December 6, 2005,jrom 3:15 p.m. to
6
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4:00 p.m. EST
Admiral Edmund Giambastiani, Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, will provide you with an update
on the Department's lED Task Force announced today.
To participate in this conference call, please d i a l " 2 and ask the operator to connect you to the
Please R.S.V.P. to _ at (b)(6) or call her at (b)(6)
NY TIMES 6895
(b)(6)

To: 'Saal, Matt (NBC Universal, MSNBC)'
SUbject: RE: Joe Scarborough
Matt, working this now. III see what I can do thanks
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Sent: Monday, December OS, 2005 5:56 PM
SUbject: Joe Scarborough
Dear Mr. Lawrence,
I'm writing at the suggestion of Col. Jack Jacobs We are trying to see jf it's possible for Joe Scarborough, host of
"Scarborough Country" on MSNBC, to go to Iraq with the U.S, military. We understand that going into that country with.the
armed forces may be the best way to truly appreciate and understand what is going on there. And Joe is excited about the
possibility.
As you may know, Joe formerly represented Pensacola while in Congress, and he has a keen knowledge of and
appreciation for our troops and the jobs they do. We know there are plenty of stories to tell that may not be getting the
attention they deserve - and we hope that the trip we are suggesting would allow Joe a special access to our forces and
the stories there are to tell. Of course, MSNBC will pay for Joe and any staff we would send with him (a producer, a
camera crew).
I should also add that we just launched, in conjunction with the USO, an "Operation Phone Home" Program, whereby Joe
solicits viewer donations for the USO to purchase phone cards for our troops serving all over the world
As for the trip to Iraq, we would like to try to go the week of December 26 -- three weeks from today. Again, we would love
to make the trip -- please let me know if there is any other information you need from me or from Joe.
Many Thanks.
Yours very truly,
Matthew Saal
Executvie Producer, "Scarborough Country"
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(b)(2)
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From: . Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: Joe Scarborough
hi
we sent this request over to roxie last week. uso asked us for help..
Sent: Monday, December OS, 20056:00 PM
Subject: FW: Joe Scarborough
\d think this is a good idea. He only reaches about 500,000 but still, this is a pretty easy gig. What about taking him
over with seedef, doing the 3 country tour then leaving him there with his crew?
In any event, I think this would be great if we made his visit 100% about Iraqi troops, have him spend two days at taji,
go on patrols, etc.
Dullas H. L,m'l'elll'('
(b)(2)
From: Saal, Matt (NBC Universal, MSNBC) [mailto:Matt.Saal@~

Subject: Joe Scarborough
Dear Mr. Lawrence,
I'm writing at the suggestion of Col. Jack Jacobs. We are trying to see if it's possible for Joe Scarborough, host of
"Scarborough Country" on MSNBC, to go to Iraq with the U.S. military. We understand that going into that country with
the armed forces may be the best way to truly appreciate and understand what is going on there. And Joe is excited
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about the possibility.
As you may know, Joe formerly represented Pensacola while in Congress, and he has a keen knowledge of and
appreciation for our troops and the jobs they do. We know there are plenty of stories to tell that may not be getting the
attention they deserve -- and we hope that the trip we are suggesting would allow Joe a special access to our forces
and the stories there are to tell. Of course, MSNBC will pay for Joe and any staff we would send with him (a producer,
a camera crew).
, should also add that we just launched, in conjunction with the usa, an "Operation Phone Home" Program, whereby
Joe solicits viewer donations for the usa to purchase phone cards for our troops serving al/ over the world.
As for the trip to Iraq, we would liketo try to go the week of December 26·- three weeks from today. Again, we would
love t~ make the trip .- please let me know if there is any other information you need from me or from Joe.
Many Thanks.
Yours very truly,
Matthew Saal
Executvie Producer, "Scarborough Country"
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To:NMm Capt. USMC, OASD-PA
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MEMORANDUM
We invite you to participate in a conference call, TOMORROW, December 6, 2005,jrom 3:15 p.m. to 4:00
p.m. EST
Admiral Edmund Giambastiani, Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, will provide you with an update on
the Department's lED Task Force announced today.
To participate in this conference call, please dial (b)(2) and ask the operator to connect you to the
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Please R.S,V.P. t o " at (b)(6) or call her at (b)(2)
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SUbject: Military Analyst December 05
The dial in number for this conference call scheduled for tomorrow (Tues) Dec. 6th is (b)(2) No passcode is
required, however just state the above subject line when calling in. 20 lines are reserved under your name.
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To: 115f(ij MAJ CFLCC/3A-FWD-CMD GRP'
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Folks, I wanted you both to have our final manifest. we have lost two people in the past two days. so our manifest as of
now (and final) is as follows:
Thank you again.
Mr. Jed Babbin (AF, Fonner JAG)
Major Frederick (Andy) Messing Jr, (USAR, Retired)
Command Sergeant Major Steve Greer (USA, Retired)
OSD: Eric Ruff, Special Assistant to the Deputy Secretary
Captain (Navy) Roxie Merritt, Director of OSD Press Operations
Dallas Lawrence, Director of Community Relations and Public Liaison
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Caveats: NONE
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6 large 2 medium 2 xl
1m guessing on two of these, so if possible, could we have possible one additional; large in the event one of my mediums
or one of my xis is actually a large?
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Sent: Sunday, December 04,20051:19 AM

To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA;ij5fl9 Maj CFLCC PAO; (b)(6) MAJ MNF-I SOS Trip Planner;
Alston C Donald BG MNFI STRATEFF COMMS DIV Chief
Cc: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: (UNCLASSIFIED)
Caveats: NONE
Dallas,
Please send the sizes for IBA and helmets as we want to ensure we have the right stuff for you,
Thanks
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From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA [mailto:Dallas.Lawrence~

Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:59 PM
To: • • Maj CFLCC PAO; MAl MNF·I 50S Trip Planner; Alston C Donald BG MNFI
STRATEFF COMM5 DIV ChIef
Cc:. • MAl CFLCC/3A-FWD-CMD GRP; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA
Subject:
To make sure we all have the same manifest, I have enclosed the list of the group coming to Iraq next week as part of the
000 Analyst trip. All will be arriving on the same inbound and departing on the same outbound commercial flight from
Kuwait and all will be traveling to and from Iraq on the same C-0130 flight.
In addition, there have been a couple of logistical issues brought to my attention that' am sure you all are already aware
of. Specifically, Eliot Cohen has notified me that per MG Lynch, General Casey has request that Eliot Cohen provide an
OPD to a group in Iraq. This is outside my mission, however, so I am assuming you folks are working how and when the
most appropriate time to break Eliot Cohen off from the group to conduct this briefing will be. Our main goal is to not allow
this break off to distract from the experience of the analysts on the trip, So, if Mr. Cohen needs to miss part of the trip to
conduct this, that is not a problem, we are thrilled to make whatever General Casey needs work.
Additionally, and please let me apologize for this in advance as this just came to my attention at 630 this morning, Eric
Ruff, who is essentially the acting Principle Deputy, will need to break off from the group when we land and be taken to the
Republican Palace where he will rendezvous with General Alston. Mr, Ruff will remain in the Green Zone and at the
Republican Palace until the Analyst trip departs Iraq (i.e, he does not need to be manifested for movements with the
Analyst group he just needs to be ferried to the Green Zone upon arrival on Friday and back to SlAP in time to meet up
with the Analyst trip for the C-130 departure back to Kuwait on Sunday)
General Alston, please forgive this late request, we are hoping for-your team's assistance in securing quarters inside the
Green Zone for Eric Ruff for two nights, from Friday through Sunday next week.
FOlks, again, please accept my apologies for this last minute movement. I know how incredibly difficult these are, I am
hoping that like last time our first movement upon landing will be a helo flight to LZ Washington and we start the day in the
green zone, thus allowing us to simply leave eric ruff there, making only one additional movement (LZ Washington to
SlAP) necessary.
I want to thank everyone for making this trip happen. Also, please let me know if there are any comforts from home I can
pack into a suitcase to bring out your way for the Christmas sea~on.
Manifest
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Mr. Jed Babbin (AF, Fonner JAG)
Dr. Jeff McCausland (Colonel, USA, Retired) CBS News
Lieutenant General Thomas McInerney (USAF, Retired) FOX News
Command Sergeant Major Steve Greer (USA, Retired) FOX News
Mr. Wayne Simmons (USN, CIA, Retired) FOX News
Colonel Ken Allard (USA, Retired) NBC, MSNBC News
Eliot Cohen, Member, Defense Policy Board
Plus, the following DoD escorts:
Eric Ruff, Special Assistant to the Deputy Secretary
Dallas Lawrence, Director of Community Relations and Public Liaison for OSD
Captain (Navy) Roxie Merritt, Director of DoD Press Operations
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Cc:~51,* ; MAJ CFLCC/3A-FWO-CMD GRP
SUbject: RE: Bios please!
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I noticed you have a bio for a Dr. Cohen, but he is not on our list, is he an addition?
Caveats: NONE
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Sent: Monday, December 05, 20054:15 PM
Subject: Bullet Proof Vest Sizes
These are the responses so far:
Jed Babbin - Large
Steve Greer - Large
Andy Messing - 46 inch
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(b)(6)
From: ' Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA

To: 'Major F, Andy Messing, Jr. (Ret)1 NDCF'
Subject: RE: please contact
Thanks. I have no idea who ItcmImlis (he was never invited) see you tomorrow
nulla" II. LlIwn'lIl'C
(b)(2)
From: Major F. Andy Messing, Jr. (Ret){ NDCF [mailto:I\IDCF@_

Cc: lorassoc
SUbject: Re: please contact
Dear Mr. Lawrence...
As we discussed ... [ am planning on going. LTC (b)(6 said he is not going... He is NDCF's Aviation Advisor... at the CC
above,
I will see you at Dulles tomorrow...
Best Regards, ANDY
--- Original Message --
To: lJ'nl9.dcgf~@~I~",,~nr5a~!!!; 'lorassoc@t4swa
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 4:21'PM
SUbject: please contact
Andy ive heard you may be canceling for iraq tomorrow. Please call our office asap to confirm, thank you
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Ilin"·lo ... (l('ri""olCOIIIlIlIlllil\ Iklalioll.' ({ l'll1>li,' Liai.on
(b)(2)
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(b)(6)
From: tU\f.lH MAJ CFLCCJ3A~FWD-CMD GRP (b)(6)

To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD·PA
Caveats: NONE
You may reach me at (b)(2) or LT COLrmmJ (b)(2)
From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA [mailto:Dallas.Lawrence@{G)D

To: • • MAJ CFLCC/3A-FWD-CMD GRP
Major, do you know who will be meeting us at the airport and what their cell number is? Thanks!
To confirm, we arrive into Kuwait December 7 at 8:05 pm on flight 9028 and depart Kuwait on December 11 at 8:50 am on
flight 156. we are leaving iraq on Saturday evening for Kuwait, ron Kuwait for a Sunday morning flight back to conus
Uallm' B. Lnwrl'lIel'
b 2 _ _
From:rmtm MAJ CFLCC/3A-FWD-CMD GRP [mailto (b)(6)

Classification UNCLASSIFIED
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Caveats: NONE
Dallas,
I have you coming out of Iraq on Saturday evening for your Sunday flight to London. Your email below reads as if they are
not leaving Iraq until Sunday. Just want to make sure we are tracking.
Thanks
Major H
From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA [mailto:Dallas.Lawrence@~

To:fiMlA Maj CFLCC PAO; • • MAJ MNF-I 50S Trip Planner; Alston C Donald BG MNA
S1RATEFF COMMS DIV Chief
Cc: Hopper, Steven MAJ CFLCC/3A-FWD-CMD GRP; Barber, :A.llison, av, OASD·PA
Subject:
DoD Analyst trip. All will be arriving on the same inbound and departing on the same outbound commercial flight from
In addition, there have been a couple of logistical issues brought to my attention that I am sure you all are already aware
of Specifically, Eliot Cohen has notified me that per MG Lynch, General Casey has request that Eliot Cohen provide an
GPD to a group in Iraq. This is outside my mission, however, so I am assuming you folks are working how and when the
this break off to distract from the experience of the analysts on the trip. So, if Mr. Cohen needs to miss part of the trip to
Additionally, and please let me apologize for this in advance as this just came to my atlention at 630 this morning, Eric
Republican Palace where he will rendezvous with General Alston. Mr. Ruff will remain in the Green Zone and at the
Republican Palace until the Analyst trip departs Iraq (i.e. he does not need to be manifested for movements with the
General Alston, please forgive this late request, we are hoping for your team's assistance in securing quarters inside the
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Folks, again, please accept my apologies for this last minute movement. I know how incredibly difficult these are I am
hoping' that like last time our first movement upon landing will be a helo flight to LZ Washington and we start the day in the
SlAP) necessary,
, want to thank everyone for making this trip happen. Also, please let me know if there are any comforts from home I can
pack into a suitcase to bring out your way for the Christmas season.
Manifest:
Mr. Jed Babbirt (AF, Fonner JAG)
Mr. Wayne Simmon,s (USN, CIA, Retired) FOX News
Din','lor. Of{k,' ol'COlJlIlllilli/\' Hp]urion,.'<.: Puhlic Liai.-oll
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(b)(2)
From:. • Maj CFLCC PAO [mailto (b)(6)

Sent: Friday, December 02,20054:28 AM
Cc: ij5fF.1 MAJ CFLCC/3A-FWD-CMD GRP
Subject: RE: Bios please!
Dallas,
Caveats: NONE
Caveats: NONE
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(b)(6)
From:' . Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
SUbject: FW: [Uj RE: military analysts
sounds like we're covered. thanks.

From: Alston C Donald BG MNFI STRATEFF COMMS DIV Chief [mailto:donald.alston@ (b)(6)
Sent: Monday, December 05,2005 12:08 PM
To: Ruff, Eric, SE5, OASD-PA
Subject: [U] RE: military analysts
Eric,
I'm looking forward to meeting you, too. And I am totally committed to being with you the whole time.
See you soon!
Don
under FOIA. 000 5400.7R, "000 Freedom of Information Act Program", DoD Directive 5230.9,
From: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA [mailto:Eric.Ruff@~

To: Alston C Donald BG MNFI STRATEFF COMMS DIV Chief
Subject: military analysts
don, i'll be traveling with the analysts to iraq, as i think you've been told. j'm looking forward to an opportunity to meet with
you while we're in the green zone. i don't have the specific time we're sked to get there on thursday morning, but hopefully
you'll be able to carve out some time to get together. j'd like to get your views and offer a few of my own, on how we can
build on the dialogue and thought process that started during the leadup to the fob-danger hand-off. thanks.
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b)(6)
Sent: Mondav. December 05,200510:58 AM
To: ~i\1(;;iI MAJ CFLCC/3A-FWD·CMD GRP'
Major, do you know who will be meeting us at the airport and what their cell number is? Thanks!
To confirm, we arrive into Kuwait December 7 at 8:05 pm on flight 9028 and depart Kuwait'on December 11 at 8:50 am on
flight 156. we are leaving iraq on Saturday evening for Kuwait, ron Kuwait for a Sunday morning flight back to conus
Dalla~ H. Luwrt'lu'e
From: ~ MAJ CFLCC/3A-FWD-CMD GRP (mailto

Caveats: NONE
Dallas,
I have you coming out of Iraq on Saturday evening for your Sunday flight to London. Your email below reads as if they are
not leaving Iraq until Sunday. Just want to make sure we aretracking,
Thanks
Major H
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6917
From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA [mailto:Dallas.Lawrence@i=wti\WI
To:NMm Maj CFLCC PAO; • • MAl MNF-I 50S Trip Planner; Alston C Donald BG MNFI
STRATEFF COMMS DIV Chief
Cc: • • MAl CFLCC/3A-FWD-CMD GRP; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA
Subject:
000 Analyst trip. All will be arriving on the same inbound and departing on the same outbound commercial flight from
GPO to a group in Iraq. This is outside my mission, however, so I am assuming you folks are working how and when the
this break off to distract from the experience of the analysts on the trip. So, if Mr. Cohen needs to miss part of the trip to
RepUblican Palace where he will rendezvous with General Alston. Mr. Ruff will remain in the Green Zone and at the
RepUblican Palace until the Analyst trip departs Iraq (i.e. he does not need to be manifested for movements with the
FOlks, again, please accept my apologies for this last minute movement. I know how incredibly difficult these are. I am
SlAP) necessary.
I want to thank everyone for making this trip happen. Also, please let me know If there are any comforts from home I can
Manifest:
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Major Frederick (Andy) Messing Jr. (USAR. Retired)
l 'lIiu'd Stal,·~ Ikl'arlllll'lllllr 1)('1"'11",."
From:NbTLd . Maj CFLCC PAO [maHto (b)(6)

Cc: room MAJ CFLCC/3A-FWD-CMD GRP
Dallas,
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Caveats: NONE
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(b)(6)

To: 'mcmeigs@jfj1IW:1iJiTlto:1rilW• • •
Subject: Re:Question
Roger.
From: Montgomery Meigs
Sent: Fri Dec 02 12:01:17 2005
Subject: Question
Dallas, pls check with the boss about press guidance on my new appointment. I'm ducking
all comers with the line that all queries should go to OSD-PAO, but you folks will need to
put something out i f you don't want to be scooped.
MCM
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(b)(6)
To: • • Maj CFLCC PAO'; (b)(6)
'donald.alstoW5iM
Cc: mm MAJ CFLCC/3A-FWD-CMD GRP'; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA
DoD Analyst trip. All will be arriving on the same inbound and departing on the same outbound commercial flight from
OPD to a group in Iraq. This is outside my mission, however, so I am assuming you folks are working how and when the
this break off to distract from the experience of the analysts on the trip. So, jf Mr. Cohen needs to miss part of the trip to
Republican Palace where he will rendezvous with General Alston. Mr. Ruff will remain in the Green Zone and at the
Republican Palace until the Analyst trip departs Iraq (i.e. he does not need to be manifested for movements with the
Analyst group he just needs to be ferried to the Green Zone upon arrival on Friday and back to BIAP in time to meet up
Folks, again, please accept my apologies for this last minute movement. I know how incredibly difficult these are. I am
SlAP) necessary.
I want to thank everyone for making this trip happen. Also, please let me know if there are any comforts from home I can
Manifest:
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Eric RUff, Special Assistant to the Deputy Secretary
Ballas B. Lawl'elw~
Ilil'l'l'lor. (lin,·,· "j'(:lIIlll1ll1llil\ H"\alioll- & !'lllllil' I,iui-IIII
(b)(2)
From: ~mm ; Maj CFLCC PAO [mailto (b)(6)

Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:2B AM
Cc:rimm MAJ CFLCC/3A-FWD-CMD GRP
Dallas,
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(b)(6)

Sent: Thursday, December 01,200510:08 AM
To: 'Dan Senor'
Subject: RE: update
I want to kill eric ruff. We should chat
Dallas B. Lawrence
De - I
W) (b)(2)
From: Dan Senor [mailto:dansenor@'~NlftQ~~lij~~~1
Sent: Thursday. December 01, 2005 9:44 AM
SUbject: Re: update
how is DoD handling these Lincoln Group press stories?
--- "Lawrence, Dallas OASD-PA"

<Dallas.Lawrence~ wrote:
> Hi there!
>
>
>
> I am updating my address book and was hoping everyone wouldn't mind
> zapping me their current best personal contact info (address
> etc)
>
>
>
> Hope everyone is doing well.
>
>
>
> Dallas B. Lawrence
>
> Director, Office of Community Relations & Public Liaison
>
> United States Department of Defense
>
> W) (b)(2)
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(b)(6)
From: Barber, Allison, elV, OASD-PA

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 20052:11 PM
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
SUbject: RE: military analysts
dallas
please get eric the memo that the lawyers signed regarding this..
thakns
ab
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:04 PM
To: lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
Cc: Barber, Allison, crv, OASD-PA
Importance: High
(b)(5)
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-------------
(b)(6)
From: " Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA

To: Barber, Allison, elV, OASD-PA
Subject: FW: military analysts
Importance: High
Are you kidding me?
Dallas B. Lawl'enee
J)il'l~('t(jr. OITi,'!' of COlllllllJllil~ RI~l(ltions & Public I.iaison"
lillit(~(l Slal('s Ul~plll'tmenl ol"l)(·I"'l1s(,

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Cc: Barber, Allison, eIV, OASD-PA
Importance: High
(b)(5)
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From:
Sent:
Wednesday, November 3D, 2005 1:09 PM
To: 'JedBabbin~
SUbject: RE: Question
You will have to call in to them. Do you have a sat phone? If not, we will work to find you a land line.
. Dullas n. taWff'lIet'
1'lIil"d Stul,-" J)"l'arlllll'lIl or ()"f'ell<f'
From: JedBabbin@[(MmJI [mailto:JedBabbin@rmtmWI
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 200S 1:03 PM
Subject: Question
Big 0: Do we have any info on phone numbers we'll be reachable at in Iraq or Kuwait? I have a lot of folks
who want to set up radio, even flexibly, and I'd like to give them as much advance info as possible before we
leave. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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(b)(6)
- - - - - -

Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 20052:03 PM
To: 'Steven J. Greer CSM (Ret)'
Subject: RE: Iraq Update
1m with you. Its not likely going to h'appen. Thanks for the understanding
nul/lis H. LlIwrl~lll'e
l)i"(','lo1'. UfTi.·.. OrCo/lllJlllllil~ H(·lalitlll.' & PuJ"il' Li"i,,,,,n
(b)(2)
From: Steven J. Greer CSM (Ret) [mailto:steven@ b (6)

Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:57 PM
To: Lawrencrallas, OASD-PA
Cc: ndd@rGfm_
Subject: Re: Iraq Update
Dallas, thanks for the update. Based on your comments, I see OPSEC is thrown in the wind if some are pre-scheduling
media hits while OCONUS. I spoke with Andy Messing and we have refrained from contacting FOX et al. We'd rather
hear the briefs, see the troops, and stay out of the way... we can pontificate when we return.
That said, if you are forced to insert time for media, pis let us know and we'll attempt to schedule within your window. If not,
no biggie.
Looking forward to the trip. You going with us or ismTI going?
Steve
~=.:.:..:..:.:::r.::=l!' • 'WSSlnter<atmTlDW ; 'steven@ra!!\fffi ;

';~: 'lorassoc@j5flH;~
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Cc: Merritt, Roxie 1. CAPT, OASD-PA
Sent: Tuesday, November 29,20059:06 AM
Subject: Iraq Update
Good morning folks. I wanted to send a quick update to let all know things are progressing smartly for our departure
next week for Iraq, By now, all should have received a copy of their itinerary from Ann Quinlan, along with some
details regarding upgrading your tickets should you so desire, Your tickets wilt be purchased on Saturday, allowing
you all to upgrade your US to Germany leg, Unfortunately we learned that Luftansa will not allow an upgrade, Upon
landing in Kuwait Wednesday evening the 7th, we will go directly to the hotel for a good nights sleep prior to our
departure for Iraq on the morning of the 8th '
I have just seen a draft of the in country schedule and can say that jf things hold, we will have one of the most robust
trips we have ever put together.
Please make sure that you US Passport is up to date, This is a deal breaker that we cannot help with, Also, I still
need bios from several of you (these are for general casey et al)
Several of you have asked about doing media while in Iraq. Radio is doable, but a bit tricky to schedule a hard time in
advance. Plan your radio hits in the evenjng (after 9pm) Iraq time (Bhours + EST) and you shouldn't have a problem.
Doing tv is much, much trickier. I am trying to work in time to allow you folks to do tv, however, this trip looks like it will
actually have more movements than the last (day trips out of Baghdad) making tv time tough. However, as I said, I am
trying to see if this can work.
I hope everyone is doing well, and I will continue to update you as we move closer to our departure next Tuesday
evening from Dulles
Best,
J)a lin" B, La WI'ell('t'
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t.'
(b)(6)

Sent: November 29,200510:22 AM
To: • • eTR, OASD-PA
Subject: FW: Iraq Update
See below, thanks
Dullas n. tllwr~"et:
!Jin','lof. ()ITir:,·()rCIl"\llllll1jl~ nf'IUlioll~& Publir Liai-oll
(b)(2)
From: JedBabbin@rmIm], [mailto:JedBabbjn~

Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9: 10 AM
Dallas:: Thanks. I haven't seen anything from Em yet. Could you please check and see if she can
send me something? Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From:
Sent:
=------------
To:
SUbject: RE: Iraq Trip
No photos, good to go,
Dull:IS B. LnWrl"lel'
(b)(2)
From: • • I CIV, OASD-PA

Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:55 AM
Subject: RE: Iraq Trip
and we aren't waiting for 'photos on the ones without...correct?
To:. • CIV, OASD-PA
SUbject: FW: Iraq Trip .
Dulin., B. Luw,'cl1('('
l nilI'd ."1 all'.' I kl'lI 1'l/l!l'/1 I of D"f"I1'"
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From: JedBabbin@'lftfLil [mailto:JedBabbin~

Subject: Re: Iraq Trip
that quick enough?
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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(b)(6)
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To: tUUm I1AJ MNF-I SCJS Trip Planner'
SUbject: RE: [Uj RE: OSD Media Visit
Final Manifest (11):
Analysts:
Mr. Jed Babbin (AF, Former JAG) FOX News / Freelance
Dr. ]effMcCausland (Colonel, USA, Retired) CBS News
Command Sergeant Mctior Steve Greer (USA, Retired) FOX News
Colonel Ken Allard (USA, Retired) NBC News
Major Frederick (Andy) Messing Jr. (USAR, Retired) Freelance
OSD:
Eric Ruff, Special Assistant to the Deputy Secretary of Defense
Captain (Navy) Roxie Merritt, Directorof 000 Press Operations
Dallas n. LlIwrt""'e
(b)(2)
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From: (b)(6) MAJ MNF-I SOS Trip Planner [mailto: (b)(6)
To: Lawrence l Dallas l OASD-PA
Subject: RE: [U] RE: OSD Media Visit
Classification: UNCLASSIFIEOIIFOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY
I have completed the draft version of the itinerary for the visit It is in with the MNF-I Chief of Staff for approval. The DV
flight tracker you guys arriving on Day 1 at 1000 Hrs into BIAP and departing day 3 at 1600/1630. We have planned the
schedule based on that. It shows 13 pax. I need the names, if they are·different from the TCR that was submitted. Also. if
possible, please send current bios on the "primaries".
The itinerary will look very similar to last time, with the exception of the addition of Fallujah and the Iraqi Joint War College
at Rustimiyah. Once I have the approval to proceed from the MNF-I Chief of Staff, I will send you the unclass version of
the itinerary (no dates).
MAJ (b)(6)
Trip Planner, Visitor Operations Bureau
SCJS, MNF-I Command Group
Camp Victory, Baghdad, Iraq
DSN: (b)(2)
VOIP:
NIPR: (b)(6)
SIPR:
"A good Soldier does what is right when no one is watching...

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"Clearance of DoD Information for Public Release", and 000 Instruction 5230.29, "Security and

Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 3:01 PM
To:rimm MAJ MNF-I SOS Trip Planner
Subject: Re: [U] RE: OSD Media Visit
I don't know the answer to that question. Last time kuwait and iraq connected directly. III work it this morning. Thank you!
From: • • MAJ MNF-I SCJS Trip Planner
Sent: Mon Nov 28 05:50:58 2005
Subject: [Uj RE: OSD Media Visit
Dallas,
I apologize for the delay in getting you a response on the internet issue. I need to refer you to MAJ _
404-464-3137. She is the MWR Rep for 3rd Army/CFLCC. I am told she is the person who can answer your questions
and ensure we have the correct infrastructure/systems to support the webcams, etc.
I should have the draft of the itinerary soon. Guidance that we have been given wants it to mirror the last one with the
possible addition of the new Iraqi Military Academy and JOint Staff COllege. I will let you know as soon as I can what is
worked out.
Have you guys submitted the military air movements requests from Kuwait to Baghdad yet?
MAJ • •
SCJS, MNF·1 Command Group
DSN: •
VOIP:
Iraqna
NIPR:
SIPR:
"A good Soldier does what is right when no one is watChing."
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If this e-mail ;s marked FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY it may be exempt from mandatory disclosure under FOIA. l?oD
5400.7R, "000 Freedom of Information Act Program", 000 Directive 5230.9, "Clearance of 000 Information for Public
Release", and 000 Instruction 5230.29, "Security and Policy Review of DoD Information for Public Release" apply.
From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA (mailto:Dallas.Lawrence@~
Sent: Tuesday, November 22,20055:01 PM
To: , • MA,I MNF-I SCJS Trip Planner
SUbject:
Major,
If the trip was identical to the last trip it would be a huge success. The briefings by senior GO's, the dinner with General Casey and
with General Dempsey, the briefing with the Ambassador, the briefing with the minister of defense (skip the interior guy). the trip to
Taij i. And the ride down route irish. A11 played hugely positive on tv back home. The biggest take aways from our folks during our
after action with them were the following:
I) The time spent with senior leadership (specifically. they mentioned how important it was for them to receive the briefings from
the GO's vice, from an 05106)
2) The visit to Taiji. If there was one event that got more air time, it was these analysts talking on tv about spending time with the
Iraqi military, hearing from them how much progress they are making. I would hope we could keep this on the schedule
Again, if we were to copy exactly the schedule form last time it would be great, if we were able to add a second outing to visit forward
deployed troops, that would be wonderful.
On another tpic, who best could I chat with about internet capability for the troops at Victory, im wondering if there is an internet spot
the troops use that has broadband hi-speed access. .
Dallas B. Lawrence
United States Depanment of Defense
W) (b)(2)
From: (b)(6) MAJ MNF-I SCJS Trip Planner [mailto (b)(6)
Subject: RE: [Ul OSD Media Visit (GEN Mei9s + 13)
Dallas,
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] just returned from R&R. Do you have any infonnation as to what you guys want to see during this visit.
MA (b)(6)
SCJS, MNF-] Command Group
DSN: (b)(6)
VOIP:~
lraqna: (b)(6)
NIPR: (b)(6)
SIPR:
"A good Soldier does what is right when no one is watching."
If this e-mail is marked FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY it may be exempt from mandatory disclosure under FOIA. 000
5400.7R, "000 Freedom of Information Act Program", 000 Directive 5230.9, "Clearance of 000 Information for Public
Release", and 000 Instruction 5230.29, "Security and Policy Review of 000 Information for Public Release" apply.
Sent: Thursday~ November 17, 20055:27 PM
To: ~Mld MAJ MNF-I SCJS Trip Planner
SUbject: RE: [Uj OSD Media Visit (GEN Meigs + 13)
Majo~
I hope this note finds you well. I wanted to be sure you had received a copy of the country clearance request for our second military
analyst trip planned to coincide with the same time frame as the October trip (the week before the Iraq elections). The DTG for the
clearance request is 05111021 OOz
] look forward to working with you on another great trip (7 december· 11)
Dallas B. Lawrence
W) (b)(6)
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From: ~ MAJ MNF·I SCJS Trip Planner [mailto: I •

Sent: Monday, October 03,20055:41 AM
'To: dallas,lawrence©rmm
Subject: [U] OSD Media Visit (GEN Meigs + 13)
Mr, Lawrence,
I have been assigned as the trip planer to coordinate this visit. [have received infonnation from LTC~, my boss, regarding
the visit, but don't see any detailed infonnation that lays out the groups arrival and departure time to Iraq, This infonnation is needed
in order to ensure we are able to plan a visit that provides you with the infonnation you need and meets the intent of the visit.
Please contact me with the infonnation at the email address or telephone numbers listed below,
Very Respectfully,
Majo~
MAJ (b)(6)
DSN: (b)(2)
VOIP
Iraqna: (b)(2)
NIPR: (b)(6)
SIPR:
"Don't get stuck on Stupid!"
If this e-mail is marked FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY it may be exempt from mandatory disclosure under FOIA DoD
5400,7R, "DoD Freedom of Information Act Program", DoD Directive 5230,9, "Clearance of DoD Information for Public
Release", and 000 Instruction 5230,29, "Security and Policy Review of DoD Information for Public Release" apply,
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To: (b)(6) CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: FW: Iraq Trip
Attachments: jlbjournres.doc
Dallu.. B. LUWJ·t~IWe
nin'('! or. OfJ'il'C' or COJlllllllnil) nela lion.- &: Ptl hlie Liai~on
t: IIi ll'd SIll I.e'" Dena rlllWlll oj' Dd'l'lIse
WJ (b)(2)
From: JedBabbin@6)Tmw[mailto:JedBabbin~
sent: TuesdaY,November 29, 2005 8:44 AM
that quick enough?
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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Jed L. Babbin
Jed Babbin is the best-selling author of, "Inside the Asylum: Why the UN and Old
Europe are Worse than You Think" (Regnery 2004). He is a former Air Force officer
who served as a deputy undersecretary in the first Bush administration (1990-1991).
Mr. Babbin writes regularly for the American Spectator Magazine. His weekly column,
"Loose Canons", appears in The American Spectator Online. Mr. Babbin's expertise is in
national security and foreign affairs. However, he also writes about all things political
and for The American Spectator's "Saloon" series on subjects such as single barrel
bourbon and fine cigars. He also wrote the military adventure novel, Legacy a/Valor.
(Pentland Press, 2000).
Mr. Babbin is a military and f.oreign affairs analyst and appears frequently on the Fox
News Channel on shows such as "The O'Reilly Factor" and "Fox & Friends," MSNBC's
"Scarborough Country" and many others.
For about four years, Babbin served as designated guest host of Oliver North's. "Common
Sense Radio" when Col. North was unavailable. During the Iraq military campaign in
2003, Babbin subbed for North for nine weeks straight. Since then, Babbin has also
subbed for Laura Ingraham, Hugh Hewitt and Greg Garrison, and now often serves as
guest host on several shows for WMET AM 1160 Talk Radio in Washington, DC. He
has traveled to the terrorist detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
Mr. Babbin is a graduate of Stevens Institute of Technology (B.E. 1970), Cumberland

School of Law (J.D. 1973) and the Georgetown University Law School (LL.M. 1978).
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To: 'JedBabbin@ifttmW
Ha! Thanks.
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From: JedBabbin@[M{il [mailto:JedBabbin@mmDI

that quick enough?
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-RA
Sent: Tuesday. November 29. 20058:43 AM
To: 'JedBabbin@imlHW
Hey there, need your bio asap. thanks
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Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 20059:10 AM
Dallas: Could work for me; DOB 16 March 1950; ssan (b)(6) Can ya work on an Afghanistan
trip? Would give significant parts of my anatomy to go. Best. Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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To: Hueber, Brandon, CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: FW: Bio
Attachments: MessingBio.doc
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From: Major Andy Messing [mailto:ndd~

Subject: Fw: Bio
Dear Mr. Lawrence...

Below is my Bio as you requested ....
Accordingly, I'm still a go....
Best Regards, ANDY
Major F. Andy Messing Jr.
USAR, (Ret.), U.S. Army Special Forces
Executive Director
National Defense Council Foundation
Major F. Andy Messing Jr. has been the Executive Director of the National Defense Council FoundatiOn
(NDCF), which studies and publishes on Special Operations/Low Intensity Conflict (SOLlC) matters, since 1984.
As a sidebar, to get into hostile areas, NDCF does refugee relief operations for humanitarian and academic
purposes. Accordingly, Messing has personally supervised the distribution of more than 141.5 tons of food, but
mainly medicine, into combat areas of Latin America, the Philippines, IRAQ and Africa. He has led over 100 key
opinion makers, including Members of Congress, the media, and other VIP's into 26 conflict areas worldwide.
Before running NDCF, he ran/consulted wI three other high profile political, defense & foreign affairs
groups, and had worked Congressional Affairs for the Department of Defense (DOD) as a GS-13 at age 29. In
1980 Messing organized Vietnam Veterans for Reagan, in 1986·88 he consulted directly with Mr. Lee Atwater and
George Bush, "Jr." in the Bush for President campaign. He has worked on Capitol Hill for the former
Congressman Robert K, Dornan & for Congressman Dan Burton, both in regard to Defense issues. Additionally,
he advised President Fidel Ramos's campaign in the Philippines (1992). Furthermore, he was a Consultant for
DOD (1987) on Central American matters and again for the State Department from April of 1990 to May of 1993
in regard to the Philippines and Russian/N1S matters. Messing has taught/lectured at the U.S. Army
Transportation School, U.S. Infantry School, the Central Intelligence Agency, Inter-American Defense Board,
Industrial College of the Armed Forces, and various universities across the country, to include the U.S. Naval
Academy, West Point, and the U.S. Coast Guard Academy:
Messing has an extensive background in defense and foreign affairs. He attended William & Mary while in
the Army, completing his education at the University of Maryland, College Park, where he earned a Bachelor's
Degree in Education with a minor in Political Science. He also attended numerous military schools having
received his Commission at age 20 at Ft. Benning, GA. Messing served as an Infantry Platoon Leader, 1st Air
Cavalry Division, in Vietnam 1967. He received military service awards, including two Purple Hearts, and the
Meritorious Service Medal. He earned German, Canadian, and Senior American parachute wings with 71
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military jumps. Messing, who had a total of 9 years active service, retired a Major from the Reserves in 1987.
Hehad 18 of 21 years in SpecIal Forces or Special Ope~ations assignments, with the latter involving 4 years of
intelligence collection (With citation from DIA), including reserve duty in Grenada in October 1983 and EI Salvador
1982-87 (in which he was awarded a Joint Service Commendation Medal for combat service there. received on
22 May 2000.)
Major Messing was on the Board of the James Monroe Foundation for ten years. He has written over 72
Op-Ed pieces and magazine articles for publications like The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, The
Washington Post, The Washington Times, Wings of Gold, USA TODA Y, and Naval Proceedings. He
appears on important national television and radio regularly, e.g. CNN Cross-Fire, 60 Minutes (twice), Larry King
Live, MacNeil-Lehrer, NBC, ABC, NET, FOX, and C-SPAN. Messing assisted in the writing of former President
Richard Nixon's book, No More Vietnams. He has received numerous awards for country/community service, is
listed in Who's Who 1980-2002, and was awarded the Meritorious Anti-Narcotics Service Award by the Colombian
National Police on 26 Feb 98. He was a Defense/Foreign Affairs Advisor to the Bush 2000 campaign( and gave
Gov.G.WBush his first briefing on these issues {briefing on.the NDCF Web Site wvtWngcf.OfJ} }). Messing was
admitted into the Council on Foreign Relations 24 Jan 2001 and was a paid NBC/MSNBC Defense & Foreign
Affairs Consultant between 20 Sept.01- July 02. Later, he became a military consultant specifically for MSNBC
Hardball continuing through 2002.
Additionafly, Major Messing has two children, LT Camilla B. Messing USCG, a 1997 U.S. Coast Guard
Academy graduate, former Skipper of the 110 foot Cutter, the KISKA in Hilo Hawaii, and now in Grad School at
Boston College and LT Frederick A. 'Messing III, USNR, a 1997 U.S. Naval Academy graduate & V.of Penn.
Masters graduate in Computer Science, who after service on the Carrier George Washington is assigned to a
Reserve Intel unit in Norfolk, VA. Major Messing lives on a 41 Foot Sailboat the ARK ANGEL in Key West
Florida.
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Major F. Andy Messing Jr.
USAR, (Ret.), U.S. Army Special Forces
Executive Director
National Defense Council Foundation
Major F. Andy Messing Jr. has been the Executive Director of the National Defense
Council Foundation (NDCF), which studies and pUblishes on Special Operations/Low Intensity
Conflict (SOLI C) matters, since 1984. As a sidebar, to get into hostile areas, NDCF does refugee
relief operations for humanitarian and academic purposes. Accordingly, Messing has personally
supervised the distribution of more than 140.5 tons of food, but mainly medicine, into combat
areas of Latin America, the Philippines and Africa. He has led over 100 key opinion makers,
inclUding Members of Congress, the media, and other VIP's into 26 conflict areas worldwide.
Before running NDCF, he ran/consulted w/ three other high profile political, defense &
. foreign affairs groups, and had worked Congressional Affairs for the Department of Defense
(DOD) as a GS-13 at age 29. In 1980 Messing organized Vietnam Veterans for Reagan, in 1986
88 he consulted directly with Mr. Lee Atwater and George Bush, "Jr." in the Bush for President
campaign. He has worked on Capitol Hill for the former Congressman Robert K. Dornan & for
Congressman Dan Burton, both in reg'ard to Defense issues. Additionally, he advised President
Fidel Ramos's campaign in the Philippines (1992). Furthermore, he was a Consultant for DOD
(1987) on Central American matters and again for the State Department from April of 1990 to
May of 1993 in regard to the Philippines and Russian/NIS matters. Messing has taught/lectured at
the U.S. Army Transportation School, U.S Infantry School, the Central Intelligence Agency, Inter
American Defense Board, Industrial College of the Armed Forces, and various universities across
the country, to include the U.S. Naval Academy, West Point, and the U.S. Coast Guard Academy.
Messing has an extensive background in defense and foreign affairs. He attended
William & Mary while in the Army, completing his education at the University of Maryland, College
Park, where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in Education with a minor in Political Science. He
also attended numerous military schools having received his Commission at age 20 at Ft.
Benning, GA. Messing served as an Infantry Platoon Leader, 1't Air Cavalry Division, in Vietnam
1967. He received military service awards, inclUding two Purple Hearts, and the Meritorious
Service Medal. He earned German, Canadian, and Senior American parachute Wings with 71
military jumps. Messing, who had a total of 9 years active service, retired a Major from the
Reserves in 1987. He had 18 of 21 years in Special Forces or Special Operations assignments,
with the latter involVing 4 years of intelligence collection (with citation from DIA), including reserve
duty in Grenada in October 1983 and EI Salvador 1982-87 (in which he was awarded a Joint
Service Commendation Medal for combat service there, received on 22 May 2000.)
Major Messing was on the Board of the James Monroe Foundation for ten years. He has
written over 65 Op-Ed pieces and magaZine articles for publications like The New York Times,
The Los Angeles Times, The Washington Pqst, The Washington Times, Wings of Gold,
USA TODAY, and Naval Proceedings. He appears on important national television and radio
regularly, e.g. CNN Cross-Fire, 60 Minutes (twice), Larry King Live, MacNeil-Lehrer, NBC, ABC,
NET, FOX, and C-SPAN. Messing assisted in the writing of former President Richard Nixon's
book, No More Vietnams. He has received numerous awards for country/community service, is
listed in Who's Who 1980-2002, and was awarded the Meritorious Anti-Narcotics Service Award
by the Colombian National Police on 26 Feb 98. He was a Defense/Foreign Affairs Advisor to the
Bush 2000 campaign. Messing was admitted into the Council on Foreign Relations 24 Jan 2001
and was a paid NBC/MSNBC Defense & Foreign Affairs Consultant between 20 Sept.01. July 02.
Later, he became a military consultant specifically for MSNBC Hardball continuing through 2002.
Additionally, Major Messing has two children, LT Camilla B. Messing USCG, a 1997
U.S. Coast Guard Academy graduate, currently the Skipper of the 110 foot Cutter, the KISKA in
Hilo Hawaii and LT Frederick A. Messing Ill, USNR, a 1997 U.S. Naval Academy graduate &
U .of Penn. Masters graduate in Computer Science, who is assigned to a Reserve Intel unit in
Norfolk, VA. Major Messing Iives on a 41 Foot Sailboat the ARK ANGEL in Key West Florida.
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To: CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: FW: Iraq Update
Attachments: Bio-TGM2002 photo.doc
Hi there, can you help me to format these into one document equally format for each? Thanks...
Dallas B. Lawl'enee
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From: Thomas McInerney [mailto:tmcinerney • •

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 20052:23 AM
Dallas
BIO attached.
Tom
Thomas G. McInerney
Lt. Gen. USAF (Ret
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Goooooood Morning Baghdad! ©
I hope this note finds you all well.
We are now confirmed for our Iraq trip. Here are the details of our excursion, I would ask that all keep these close
. hold, as for obvious opsec reasons, centcom and mnfl would appreciate our arrival and itinerary not be broadcast
until our departure from Iraq on the 10th. ' '
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December 6, 2005
Depart Washington, Dulles Airport (Morning departure, approximately 8:30 am)
December 7, 2005
Arrive Kuwait (morning arrival)
Briefings and lunch with troops, Kuwait
December 8, 2005
Early morning departure for Iraq via C-130
Briefings in Iraq
December 9, 2005
Briefings in Iraq, planned site visit
December 10, 2005
Briefings in Iraq
Afternoon departure for Kuwait
December 11, 2005
Depart Kuwait for CONUS (early morning)
December 11,2005
Arrive Washington, Dulles (early evening)
A few details:
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1) it will likely be rainy, so pack a rain slicker
2) It may be a bit chilly at night, I suggest packing a fleece
3) Khaki pants and comfortable shoes are the uniform of the day
4) You will have internet access at the DV quarters we will have in Iraq
5) Some cell phones do work in Baghdad (my cingular system picks up the Iraqna system). Blackberrys do not
work
6) Pack light, and CARRY ON YOUR BAGGAGE. Kuwait airport is notorious for loosing luggage, so do not
check your bags at Dulles.
7) Bring your valid US passport. That is all you will need.
8) The hotel in Kuwait (the night we arrive and our final night) will likely run about $300 US per night. This is
not covered by DOD
9) The trip will be briefing intensive. We have asked for the exact same itinerary as the previous trip in
October, which was very successful from the reviews by our analysts. We have also asked for a day trip outside
of Baghdad to visit with Iraqi troops as the training and command center in Taiji. All are dependent operational
issues in country, and I know you all understand this. However, rest assured we are working to make this a great
trip for all.
10) All Kevlar and vests (battle rattle for you military folks) will be issued in Kuwait.
11) Cameras are encouraged!
12) A number of you have requested upgrading on your own. This is doable, though it is a bit complicated.
Some airlines will only allow you to upgrade the day of departure (no idea Why). However, it looks like we are
flying United, so this should hopefully not be a problem. Your tickets will be "ticketed" on Saturday December
2nd, allowing you to upgrade after Saturday.
I also need a bio for everyone attending. And finally, to confirm, if you are receiving this email we have 1) issued
your funded ITOs and 2) reserved (or will soon) your airline reservation.
Thanks again for your patience, I hope everyone has a wonderful Thanksgiving.
Dallas B. Lawrence
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sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 3:50 PM
To: 'jedbabbin@fiMl.'tmcinerney@limii1:1limlri
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'vze279gy@1Mhi ; 'mccauslj • •
Subject: Iraq Update
Folks,
For those receiving this email, we have released a country clearance request for Iraq for the dates previously
noted. We will likely be in a holding pattern for the next 3-7 days. Until we receive country clearance, this trip will
not be finalized, and there is always the likelihood it will be denied (but I'd say we are looking pretty good),
Please do not cancel or change your plans until we receive the final go ahead. Thank you folks for your
patience!
Happy Veterans Day.
dl
Dallas B. Lawrence
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THOMAS G. McINERNEY
I
n January 2000, Lieutenant General Thomas McInerney,
USAF (Ret.), established his own consulting firm, GRTT
(Government Reform Through Technology). Working with
high-tech companies who do business with federal, state, city
and local governments, GRRT helps them introduce advanced
technology into the public sector.
From March 1996, to December 1999, he was Chief Executive

Officer and President of Business Executives for National
Security (BENS), a national, nonpartisan organization of business and professional
leaders, with headquarters in Washington, DC. BENS works to engage the business
community in securing America's future with a more efficient defense establishment.
In February 2000, General McInerney received a Laurel from Aviation Week and Space
Technology magazine for his efforts on behalf of military reform as President of BENS.
He has also made numerous appearances on National Television discussing Defense
Reform and during global military crises such as Kosovo, EP 3 incident in China and
now the War on Terrorism where he is the senior Fox News Military Analysts.
Prior to joining BENS, General McInerney was Vice President of Command and Control
for Loral Defense Systems-Eagan. He joined Loral (then Unisys Electronic Systems
Division) in 1994 following 35 years as a pilot, commander, and Joint Force Commander
in the United States Air Force. . .
General McInerney retired from military service as Assistant Vice Chief of Staff of the
Air Force and as Director of the Defense Performance Review (DPR), reporting to the
Secretary of Defense. In that capacity, he led the Pentagon's "reinventing government"
effort, visiting more than 100 leading-edge commercial companies to assimilate their
ideas about business re-engineering. The DPR was part of Vice President Gore's
National Performance Review on Reinventing Government, which focused on making
the government perform better at less cost -- a fundamental BENS objective.
After his commissioning as a second lieutenant in 1959, and completion of pilot training
in 1960, General McInerney served in numerous key Air Force assignments and had
extensive military command and overseas experience. A command pilot with more
than 4,500 flying hours, he completed four tours of duty in Vietnam, flight
reconnaissance missions during the Cuban missile crisis and air escort missions in the
Berlin Corridor.
General McInerney earned a bachelor of science degree from the US Military Academy
in 1959 and a master's degree in international relations from George Washington
University in 1972. He completed Armed Forces Staff College in 1970 and the National
War College in 1973.
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General McInerney is a member of the Board of Directors of Alloy Surfaces Company,
KIL Inc. Kilgore Flares Co, LLC, SABA (Federal Advisory Board), Pan American
International Academy (Flight Simulators) and Crescent Technology Ventures PIc.
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Sent: ''M,~er 28. 2005 7:07 AM
To: rmtm CIV,OASD-PA
SUbject: The Vietnamization of Iraq (Babbin)
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?artjd=9071
The Vietnamization of Iraq

By Jed Babbin
Published 11/28/2005 12:08:06 AM
As hard as it is to think of Ted Kennedy as a political visionary, his April 2004

statement that "Iraq is George Bush's Vietnam," was way before its time. In the last
presidential election year Kennedy started down a path that would have been political
suicide for Kerry. But Kerry'sapproach -- feigning support for real action against
terrorism -- lost. The Dems will not make the same mistake in 2008. The architects of
our defeat in Vietnam have dusted off their old plans and are adopting them to Iraq..
They are working hard to make Kennedy's statement come true.
The whole Democrat menagerie has embarked on a campaign to Vietnamize Iraq: to

make it a demonstrable defeat and by so doing regain the White House regardless of
the consequences. If they succeed, Iraq will become a far greater failure than Vietnam
was because the stakes are much higher abroad and at home. The next presidential
election will, like the last one, be a referendum on Iraq. And if Iraq is a failure, the
Democrats will be a success.
"Vietnamization" once meant arming, training and supporting an ally so that it could
defend itself and thus relieve Americans of the burden. But to the Democrat~ and the
Chernobyl Republicans who are trying to Vietnamize Iraq, Vietnam is not a nation but
an outcome. To succeed in Vietnamizing Iraq, they must treat the nation's uncertainty
like uranium ore, refining it in stages into politically fissionable material. First, they
must catalyze the nation's uncertainty into doubt, and then refine public doubts about
the war into conviction that America should not fight it, and that the Iraqis must be left
to their own devices. Sen. Joe Biden -- who rarely has an unexpressed thought -- has
shed a dim light on the Democrats' strategy.
On Meet the Press yesterday, Biden said that the 79-19 Senate vote two weeks ago
for John Warner's three-part antiwar resolution was a "vote of no confidence" in Bush's
proseclJtion of the war. In response to Tim Russert's questions, Biden's Republican pal
Warner didn't even manage a decent harrumph. The Senate resolution -- eve!1'with so
many Republicans supporting it -- wasn't a vote of no confidence. But it was a
message to America that a strong Senate majority was unhappy with Mr. Bush's
conduct of the war. It was a long step toward achieving Vietnamization of Iraq by
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destroying public support for the war.
Biden perhaps revealed too much. He linked his desire for a Vietnam-like timetable for
withdrawal from Iraq to the timetable for 2008 presidential aspirants, including himself.
On Meet the Press, having said we have only a six-month window of opportunity to get
it right in Iraq, Biden later said that his presidential ambitions depend on his ability to
raise money in those same six months. If Biden and his ilk can Vietnamize Iraq in six
months, they believe they can regain the White House. And the only way they can do
either is to destroy America's will to win, just as they did in the Vietnam War. The old
protest drums are pounding out the old messages: we can't win, we got into t~lis
because we were lied to, and our enemy is no worse than our ally. .
CHRIS MATIHEWS HAS BEEN beating the "Bush lied" drum as hard as anyone. Two·
Sundays ago, as I wrote in AmSpecBlog that day, Matthews said that the Tonkin Gulf
Resolution -- which LBJ used to expand the American involvement in Vietnam -- was
based on lies just as was the Iraq war resolution. The Tonkin Gulf resolution, passed
by Congress and authorizing expanded military intervention in Vietnam, has always
been used by the party of George McGovern to condemn the Vietnam war. The
problem that the antiwar left has is that the Tonkin Gulf attack -- and the threat of
Saddam -- weren't fiction.
As I wrote in 2003, lithe destroyer USS Maddox -- gathering intelligence for the South
Vietnamese -- was attacked by four North Vietnamese patrol boats on August 2, 1964.
Maddox -- aided by carrier aircraft -- severely damaged the attackers, leaving at least·
one dead in the water." The next night, another attack was detected, but due to the
overcast skies, U.S. aircraft couldn't find them and they couldn't find the U.S. ships.
One pilot who flew that second night e-mailed me that he was confident the enemy
boats were there. In that e-mail, he told me, "We were being vectored by a radar
operator. He could see our aircraft and he could see the targets on the water. We were
vectored to a surface target, but without flares we could not see it. I know for certain
there were targets on the water, but like the WMD in Iraq, we could not Visually find
them."
We shall only indulge in the briefest restatement of the facts about Saddam's WMD.
The fact we haven't found the WMD in Iraq proves absolutely nothing about whether
they existed or whether Saddam wasn't doing his best to obtain more. Sen. Jay
Rockefeller gave Saddam almost a year to move them after his January 2002 trip
during which he told the Saudis, the Jordanians, and the Syrians that the president
had already decided on war. When we fiddled and diddled at the UN for six months
beginning in September 2002, hundreds of trucks carried we know not what out of
Iraq, according to the Dulfer Report. There was no iie by the president. But the Dems
exhibit a most fundamental lack of understanding about Iraq, what is at stake there
and what Iraq's neighbors are.
Once again, Biden is the best orator of ignorance and naivete. In his Saturday WaPo
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column, Biden -- assuming the best of intentions in wonderful nations such as Iran and
Syria -- wrote, "Iraq's neighbors and the international community have a huge stake in
the country's future. The president should initiate a regional strategy -- as he did in
Afghanistan -- to leverage the influence of neighboring countries." Iraq's neighbors do
have a huge stake in Iraq. Syria, Iran, and Saudi Arabia cannot afford democracy to
take root in Iraq because it would threaten their despotisms and support for terrorism.
Biden's vacuity can be effective if he is not answered. And another key step to
successfully Vietnamizing Iraq -- silencing those who support the war -- has been very
effective.
VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY HAS, at long last, been speaking out strongly against
those who are accusing the president of lying us into a war. He has said, with precise
correctness, that "One might. .. argue that untruthful charges against the commander in
chief have an insidious effect on the war effort." The WaPo's Michael Kinsley
characterized that comment as "ugly and demagogic," writing on Friday that "the
administration now concedes that the country went to war on a false premise." The
administration does no such thing, and Kinsley's hyperbole seeks to do precisely what
he accuses the Vice President of doing.
What Kinsley is doing is essential to the success of the Oems' campaign. Kinsley
smears as "ugly and demagogic" those who criticize the antiwar types. In Kinsley's
book, it's perfectly permissible to call the president a liar, but totally out of bounds to
say that we are fighting an existential war against terrorists in Iraq and in many other
places. Kinsley, and the rest of the MSM, are working hard to do produce the result
that Jane Fonda and John Kerry did in the 1970s. When they achieved media
acceptance of the wrongness of the Vietnam War, they also managed to marginalize
as a warmonger and a fool anyone who believed Vietnam was a war worth fighting.
Kinsley and his brethren in the MSM will only tolerate variances on the theme of how
and when weill quit and run from the war again,st terrorism.
There is only one answer ,to this: presidential leadership and faster achievement on the
battlefield. Americans are entitled to have doubts and uncertainties. The war has,
thanks to the media, become a Vietnam-like daily bloodletting. The war's opponents-
even the Oems -- are right in that we cannot continue this way indefinitely. The
president needs to do three things. First, he needs to tell Mr. Rumsfeld and Gen. Pete
Pace to deal with terrorism at its sources, wherever they may be, at the greatest speed
they can manage. Second -- as I've said over and over -- he needs to be out and
about, leading the country and the world by telling us long, hard and continuously what
we are doing, where, how and why, and why it's worth the cost in blood and treasure.
He must to this every day from now until he leaves office. It's the burden of a war
presidency, and he hasn't shouldered it. It's hJs job and it's high bloody time he did it.
Third, Mr. Bush should pick up his veto pen and kill the misbegotten Senate resolution,
inclUding the McCain amendment. Let's raise the temperature on the Chernobyl
Republicans. If they can't take it, maybe some of them -- such as Messrs. McCain and
3
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Hagel -- might well come around.
TAS contributing editor Jed Babbin is the author of Inside the Asylum: Why the UN
and Old Europe Are Worse Than You Think (Regnery, 2004).
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Researcher
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Subject: FW: Military Analysts' Travel
Attachments: ITOMemo.doc
ITOMemo.doc (35
KB)
This is as good as we are going to get today. Its not really what I wanted
(nor what I think you wanted) / but its as good as we can get at 330 on Wednesday before
thanksgiving with the lawyers out. This should not have taken 5 hours. Ugh
Have a nice weekend.
Dallas B. Lawrence
Defense
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From: ~~ri i CIV, OASD-PA
Sent: wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:20 PM
To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: Military Analysts' Travel
Allison
Attached is the memo. I've worked with (b)(6) on this and he's chopped on the
wording. The signed copy is in your office. Please let me know if you need anything
else.
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Sent~ber 23, 2005 11:39 AM
To: l W I B _ . _ . CIV, OASD- PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD- PA
Subject: Re: Mil~tary Analysts' Travel
Thx
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From: , • L. CIV, OASD-PA

To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OABD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
Sent: Wed Nov 23 11:14:29 2005
subje~t: RE: Military Analysts' Travel
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Sent: Wednesday, November 2.3, 2005 10:00 AM
To: N~. CIV, OASD-PA: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: Military Analysts' Travel
please have this put in a memo so we can have it on file.
why did it go to rmIm] instead of steve epstein?
thanks
ab
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From: m,!Wl~.~ CIV, OASD-PA
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:55 AM
To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
Subject: FW: Military Analysts' Travel
All ison/Dallas
Here is the e-mail I sent you back in August on the Military Analysts Travel. I imagine
if there are any questions as to the legalities on any particular ITO issue, ~would be
happy to help.
Please let me know if you need anything else.
rUlTld
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From: rL1TL.i i CIV, OASD-PA
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 1:14 PM
TO: Law~ence, Dallas, OASD-PA
SUbject: Military Analysts' Travel
Dallas
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From:
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lorassoc [lorassoc@1Dfl.1I
Sent: Wednesday, November 23,20051:45 PM
Cc: Andy Messing
Subject: RE: Some Thanksgiving Food For Thought...
Dear Dallas,
My compliments on providing outstanding services and support to all of your

contacts!!! Greatly appreciated!!
Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours!!
Business: Andy Messing informed me that I am on your Kuwait/Iraq travel list.
I should not have been registered as I took no action to participate. If my

name is on the list it should be removed/deleted.
Keep smiling!!
Dwight (Lorenz)
NDCF
Sent: Wednesday, November 23,2005 11:25 AM
Subject: Some Thanksgiving Food For Thought...
For H\Ose that feel they may be loosing faith in the true progress going on in Iraq in the face of relentless negative media coverage,
this is a pretty good assessment from a piece that ran in the Los Angeles Times. I have been to the country three times now in the
past )8 months. I witnessed the creation of a new government, saw first hand historic elections and have spent time with Iraqi
military working to better their country. All huge leaps forward in a period spanning less than 500 days.
We often talk in this town of how astonishing that timeline is, especially when taken in perspective with our own nation's history.
I thought I would provide a little context before the story, on just how our nation's birth compares to those now struggling for
democracy in Iraq.
• July 4, J776: Our revolutionary forefathers declared their independence from Great Britain
• 4090 days later: A group of homogenous, Christian, white, land owning men completed work on a Constitution to
unite the disparate colonies into one federal government on September 17! 1787, a Constitution neglecting to
extend certain rights to large portions of the nation's popUlation.
• 278 Days later: New Hampshire ratified the Constitution certifying enough support to become the law of the land on
June 21. 1788
• 200 Days Later: The first nationwide election under the newly ratified Constitution took place under peaceful
conditions throughout the former colonies. Voters, with no fear of retribution or assassination, elected a new
democratic government.
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Compared to Iraq:
• June 28, 2004: Coalition forces return sovereignty of Iraq to a United Nations backed interim government of Sunni,
Shia, Kurd, Christian, Muslim, men and women
• 2J7 Days Later: Iraq holds its first democratic elections in generations, under threat of murder by terrorists, millions
of men AND women tum out to vote on January 30, 2005 to elect a new government to draft a constitution.
• 258 Days Later: Iraqis turn out in event greater numbers to ratify their new constitution, drafted by Muslims and
Christians. men and women, on October 15, 2005, a constitution respectful of religious freedoms and women's
rights setting the stage for the country's third election in one year, this time to elect a permanent government.
• 6] Days Later: a free, constitutionally backed democratic government of Sunni, Shia, Kurd, Muslim, Christian. men
and women, will be sworn in as the permanent elected government as Iraq completes its third successful election
in less than one year.
Just some food for thought this Thanksgiving. I hope you enjoy the LA Times article below and have a great holiday.
- Dallas B. Lawrence
Los Angeles Times·

November 23, 2005
Iraq's A Lost Cause? Ask The Real Experts

By Max Boot
When it comes to the future of Iraq, there is a deep disconnect between those who have firsthand knowledge of
the situation - Iraqis and U.S. soldiers serving in Iraq - and those whose impressions are shaped by doomsday
press coverage and the imperatives of domestic politics.
A large majority of the American public is convinced that the liberation of Iraq was a mistake, while a smaller
but growing numher thinks that we are 'Iosing and that we need to pull out soon. Those sentiments are echoed by
finger-in-the-wind politicians, including many - such as John Kerry, Harry Reid, John Edwards, John Murtha
and Bill Clinton - who supported the invasion.
Yet in a survey last month from the U.S.-based International Republican Institute, 47% oflraqis polled said
their country was headed in the right direction, as opposed to 37% who said they thought that it was going in the
wrong direction. And 56% thought things would be better in six months. Only 16% thought they would be .
worse.
NY TIMES 6960
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American soldiers are also much more optimistic than American civilians. The Pew Research Center and the
Council- on Foreign Relations just released a survey of American elites that found that 64% of military officers
are confident that we will succeed in establishing a stable democracy in Iraq. The comparable figures for
journalists and academics are 33% and 27%, respectively. Even more impressive than the Pew poll is the
- evidence of how our service members are voting with their feet. Although both the Army and the Marine Corps
are having trouble attracting fresh recruits - no surprise, given the state of public opinion regarding Iraq
reenlistment rates continue to exceed expectations. Veterans are expressing their confidence in the war effort by
signing up to continue fighting.
Now, it could be that the Iraqi public and the U.S. armed forces are delusional. Maybe things really are on an
irreversible downward slope. But before reaching such an apocalyptic conclusion, stop to consider why so many
with firsthand experience have more hope than those without any.
FOR STARTERS, one can point to two successful elections this year, on Jan. 30 and Oct. 15, in which the
majority of Iraqis braved insurgent threats to vote. The constitutional referendum in October was particularly
significant because it marked the first wholesale engagement of Sunnis in the political process. Since then,
Sunni political parties have made clear their determination to also participate in the Dec. 15 parliamentary
election. This is big news. The most disaffected group in Iraq is starting to realize that it must achieve its
objectives through ballots, not bullets.
There -are also positive economic indicators that receive little or no coverage ih the Western media. For all the
insurgents' attempts to sabotage the Iraqi economy, the Brookings Institution reports that per capita income has
doubled since 2003 and is now 30% higher than it was before the war. Thanks primarily to the increase in oil
prices, the Iraqi economy is projected to grow at a whopping 16.8% next year. According to Brookings' Iraq
index, there are five times more cars on the streets than in Saddam Hussein's day, five times more telephone
subscribers and 32 times more Internet users.
The growth of the independent media - a prerequisite of liberal democracy - is even more inspiring. Before 2003
there was not a single independent media outlet in Iraq. Today, Brookings reports, there are 44 commercial TV
stations, 72 radio stations and more than 100 newspapers.
But aren't bombs still going off at an alarming rate? Of course. It's almost impossible to stop a few thousand
fanatics who are willing to commit suicide to slaughter others.
Yet there is hope on the security front. Since the Jan. 30 election, not a single Iraqi unit has crumbled in battle,
according to Army Lt. Gen. David H. Petraeus, who until September was in charge of their training. Iraqi
soldiers are showing impressive detennination in fighting the terrorists, notwithstanding the terrible casualties
they have taken. Their increasing success is evident on "Route Irish," from Baghdad International Airport. Once
the most dangerous road in Iraq, it is now one of the safest. The last coalition fatality there that was a result of
enemy action occurred in March.
This is not meant to suggest that everything is wonderful in Iraq. The situation remains grim in many respects.
But the most disheartening indicator of all is simply the American public's loss of confidence in the war effort.
Abu Musab Zarqawi may be losing on the Arab street (his own family has disowned him), but he's winning on
Main Street. And, as the Vietnam War showed, defeatism on the home front can become self-fulfilling.
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(b)(6)
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To: Merritt, Roxie 1. CAPT, OASD-PA
SUbject: FW: manifest for iraq
Here is our list for iraq ...
Colonel Ken Allard (USA, Retired) NBC News
Dullas B. tawl'f'IlI'P
(b)(2)
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(b)(6)

To: 'JedBabbin@jMla
Subject: RE: Iraq Update
No coat and tie
Should be sufficient access in iraq, you may want to have your own in Kuwait
Radio will be hit or miss, but if you are flexible, definitely doable.
Hullas B. tuWrl'llI'e
Dirc·el(lr. UI'f'i(·(· "I' Comfllllllil\ ({(·Iul j,,"~ &. Puhlic Liai~nn
[Inill:'! Slull~~ Dr'parlllwlII of Def"lIsp .
(b)(6)
From: JedBabbin@mlldl [mailto:JedBabbin@rmtmII

Dallas: Here's my bio. A couple of other questions:
1. Will we have time - and on what days - for me to do radio from there?
2. Should I bring my own laptop, or is there sufficient access, in Iraq and Kuwait, that I shouldn't worry about
it?
3. If! do bring my own computer, what voltage adapters do I need (don't wanna bum my Vaio the first minute
I'm there)
4. Is there any occasion to wear coat and tie?
Thanks. Sorry to be pestering you about this, but better now than later. Best, Jed.
NY TIMES 6963
Jed Babbin'
(home fax)
(mobile)
NY TIMES 6964
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From:
Sent:
To:
Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:01 AM
(b)(6) MAJ MNF-I SCJS Trip Planner'
Major,
If the trip was identical to the last trip it would be a huge success. The briefings by senior GO's, the dinner with General
Casey and with General Dempsey, the briefing with the Ambassador, the briefing with the minister of defense (skip the
interior guy), the trip to Tc@. And the ride down route irish. All played hugely positive on tv back home. The biggest take
aways from our folks during our after action with them were the following:
1) The time spent with senior leadership (specifically, they mentioned how important it was for them to receive the
briefings from the GO's vice, from an 05/06)
2) The visit to Taiji. If there was one event that got more air time, it was these analysts talking on tv about spending
time with the Iraqi military, hearing from them how much progress they are making. I would hope we could keep this on
the sched ule
Again, if we were to copy exactly the schedule form last time it would be great, if we were able to add a second outing to
visit forward deployed troops, that would be wonderful
On another tpic, who best could I chat with about internet capability for the troops at Victory, im wondering if there is an
internet spot the troops use that has broadband hi-speed access.
DOllins B. Lnwrelll'(~
\J;"",·IOI'. ()lTi,'" ,,1'(;""lIllIln;1 \ I{plal;on'l'\ I'\lloli,' l.i;l;'''1J
(b)(2)
From:. • MAJ MNF-I 50S Trip Planner [mailto: (b) 6)
Subject: RE: [U] OSD Media Visit (GEN Meigs + 13)
7
NY TIMES 6965
Dallas,
I just returned from R&R. Do you have any information as to what you guys want to see during this visit
II
MAJ (b)(6)
SCJS, MNF-J Command Group
DSN: (b)(2)
VOIP:
Iraqna: b)(2)
NIPR
(b)(6)
SIPR
"A good Soldier does what is right when no one is watching. "
under FOIA. DoD 5400.7R, "000 Freedom of Information Act Program", 000 Directive 5230.9,
"Clearance of 000 Information for Public Release", and DoD Instruction 5230.29, "Security and.
Sent: Thursda , November 17, 2005 5:27 PM
To:. • MAJ MNF-I SOS Trip Planner
Subject: RE: [U OSD Media Visit (GEN Meigs + 13)
MajormmDI
NY TIMES 6966
I hope this note finds you well. I wanted to be sure you had received a copy of the country clearance request for our
second military analyst trip planned to coincide with the same time frame as the October trip (the week before the Iraq
elections). The DTG for the clearance request is 05111 02100z
I look forward to working with you on another great trip (7 december· 11)
I)ullas U. Lu\nt~J1l~(,
f)il'l·,'llll'. ()fTi(~,' n"Cllnllllullil~ Hd:lli()l1~ ~ Puhlic Lilli,oll
l;nill"\ Sla!.I'.- n"pUI'IIIWlll or I)('fl·~ll"·'
From:. • MAJ MNF·I 50S Trip Planner [mailt .(b)(6)

Sent: Monday, October 03,2005 5:41 AM
To: dallas.lawrence@ijmmw
Subject: [U] OSD Media Visit (GEN Meigs + 13)
Mr. Lawrence,
I have been assigned as the trip planer to coordinate this visit. I have received information from LTC~, my
boss, regarding the visit, but don't see any detailed information that lays out the groups arrival and departure time to Iraq,
This information is needed in order to ensure we are able to plan a visit that provides you with the information you need
and meels the intent of the visit.
Please contact me with the information at the email address or telephone numbers listed below.
Very Respectfully,
Majo (b)(6)
(b)(6)
MAJ
NY TIMES 6967
SCJS, MNF~I Command Group
DSN: (b)(2)
VOIP:
Iraqna: (b)(2)
(b)(6)
NIPR:
SIPR:

"Clearance of 000 Information for Public Release", and 000 Instruction 5230.29. "Security and
10
NY TIMES 6968
(b)(6)
From: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD·PA

Sent: Monday, November 21,20052:14 PM
To: Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PA; mGJ CIV, OASD-PA;~ CIV, OASD
PA;~LTC,OASD-PA .
Cc: Barb'etAlTISOn.CiV OASD-PA; Lawrence. Dallas, OASD-PA; 'dewey.ford@ (b)(6)
Subject:
• •
RE: [UI RE: FOB turnover
Excellent -- good work all
From: Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PA
To: fn,fld CIV, OASD-PA;~mt:t CIV, OASD-PA; (b)(6) LTC, OASD-PA
Cc: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD~PA;
'dewey.ford~~UK n~lri I I ; Whltman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: [UJ RE: FOB turnover
Good job pulling this together so fast! Thanks Tara.
Roxie T. Merritt
Captain, U.S. Navy
Director, DoD Press Operations
Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs Pentagon, Room ~
.~ 20301-1400
l~~fi~
roxie.merritt@osd.mil
"Life., Liberty and the Pursuit of All Who Threaten It"
-----ori~nal Message----
From: ~U3niI1~'t~;).liIiiiiifi CIV, OASD- PA
Sent: Mondav, November 21, 2005 1:14 PM
To: CIV, OASD-PA; Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PA; (b)(6) LTC, OASD
PA
Cc: Barber, Allison, CIV. OASD-PA; Lawrence. Dallas, OASD-PA;
Idewey. fordllitrlaSi1Wr;;i• •lllliiiiillili; ~Ml:t
Subject: RE: [U] RE: FOB turnover
Here are the confirmed names for the conference call today:
General Glen K. Otis (USA, Retired)
Major General Donald W. Shepperd (USAF, Retired)
From: Evans, Dave, CIV, OASD-PA
To: Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PA; ti~:tftiTlttr;:tIll • • • • LTC, 'OASD-PA
I;
I. . •••••'
Cc: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Lawrence. Dallas OASD-PA'
'dewey. ford@fjM,4 i (b)(6) CIV, OASD-PA
.4
NY TIMES 6969
We have scheduled the conference call and sent invitations out to the military analysts,
including those listed below.
The call will be held from 1:30 p.m. to 2:30 p.m. EST.
Those wishing to participate in the call should call (b){2) and

ask the operator to be connected to the Military Analysts call.
We will advise all recipients of RSVPs received at approximately 1:00 p.m. today.
~
~
-----~nalllissa1i-----
From: • • LTC, OASD-PA
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 11:34 AM
To: ~3T~ CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: FW: (U] RE: FOB turnover
fyi
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 11:32

To: Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PAj STRATEFF COMMS DIV'
(USAF) 'j I • ~.mi~.iII•••• LTC, OASD-PAi
CIV, OASD-PA
excellent -- let's work it hard

To: 'Ford Dewe G COL MNFI STRATEFF COMMS DIV'; Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PA
Cc: • 1'm.Im.D••••••••••••••••
(USAF) i LTC, OASD-PAirmYmW!ll
•• CIV, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
Dewey,
We're checking to see if we can turn this on.
Roxie T. Merritt
Captain, U.S. Navy
Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs
Pentagon, Room r.~.J1I
W s . cr 20301-1400
•
cell •
roxie.merritt
"Life, Liberty the Pursuit of All Who Threaten It"
From: Ford Dewey G COL MNFI STRATEFF COMMS DIV [mailto:dewey.ford@ (b}(6)
To: Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PA
Cc: NM~ (USAF) i (b}(6)
~~a CIV, OASD-PA

Subject: [U) RE: FOB turnover
NY TIMES 6970
Roxie 0 Could you arrange for BG Alston to speak to the Defense Analysts that were out
here in October between.2130 and 2300 our time tonight via conference call? The names
are:
MG (Ret) Scales
CAPT (Ret) Nash
COL (Ret) Garret
GEN Meigs (Ret)
LTC (Ret) Maginnis
Maj Gen (Ret) Shepard
Thanks,
Dewey
From: Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PA [mailto:Roxie.Merritt@~
To: Ford Dewey G COL MNFI STRATEFF COMMS DIV
Cc: CPIC Director; ~NUri CIV, OASD-PAi (b)(6)
todd. vician@(U\flri
Subject: FOB turnover
Dewey,
My media outreach team headed up by~~.~q~tlf;riil""""", is standing by to help market

regional media interviews for the FOB turnover team if you would like some help. In
particular, regional radio which is easy to do for any or all personnel who have access to
a telephone. Doesn't necessarily have to be a flag officer either.
Roxie T. Merritt
Captain, U.S. Navy
Pentagon, Room fL"itJ'l'JI
~ .. n DC ~
2uO';301-1400
';;iT~
roxie.merritt~~
"Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of All Who Threaten It"
under FOIA. DoD 5400.7R, "DoD Freedom of Information Act Program", DoD Directive 5230.9,
"Clearance of DoD Information for Public Release", and DoD Instruction 5230.29, "Security
and Policy Review of DoD Information for Public Release" apply.
NY TIMES 6971
(b)(6)
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From: Vician, Todd, Maj, OASD-PA
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 200512:42 PM
Subject: RE: analysts trip
Dallas,
Thanks for helping the MNF-I crew.
Todd
··_··Original Message--·"
From: rUwm CIV, OASD-PA
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:38 PM
To: Vician Todd Maj, OASD·PA
Cc: ~Mlij 'iLTC, OASD·PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD·PA
Subject: RE: analysts trip
dallas is point on this.
thanks
From: Vidan, Todd, Maj, OASD·PA
Sent:
To:
Cc:
Subject:
r.
••
••
ursda November 17, 2005 12:37 PM
analysts trip
IV, OASD·PA
LTC, OASD-PA
HimYI
If you have particulars (dates, approx numbers, etc) on the upcoming military analyst trip to Iraq, could you please
forward that info to Col Dewey Ford? They would like to do some advance planning now.
thanks
Todd
Major Todd Vidan, USAF
Defense Press Officer
Off' fA' t t S fDf se (Public Affairs)
(b)(2)
11
NY TIMES 6972
(b)(6)
From: Ruff, Eric, SES. OASD-PA

Sent: Thursday, November 17,200510:50 AM
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA
SUbject: RE: current trip manifest for iraq analysts
thanks, dallas. did we invite krepinevich?
---~-Original Message----
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 9:51 AM
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: current trip manifest for iraq analysts
Mr. Jed Babbin (AF, Former JAG) YES

Dr. Jeff McCausland (Colonel, USA, Retired) CBS News TENT YES
Lieutenant General Thomas McInerney (USAF, Retired) FOX News YES
Command Sergeant Major Steve Greer (USA, Retired) FOX News TENT YES
Colonel Jack Jacobs (USA, Retired) NBC / MSNBC / CNBC TENT YES
Mr. Wayne Simmons (USN, CIA, Retired) FOX News YES
Colonel Ken Allard (USA, Retired) NBC News YES
Major Frederick (Andy) Messing Jr. (USAR, Retired) YES
Elliot Cohen YES
OSD Staff:
Captain Merritt
Dallas Lawrence
Dallas B. Lawrence
W) ~~f"j •
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(b)(6)
From: (b)(6) MAJ CFLCC/3A-FWD-CMD GRP l(b)(6)
Sent:· Thursday, November 17, 200510:03 AM
Subject: RE: Manifest for DoD Analyst DV trip (UNCLASSIFIED)
Caveats: NONE
Hooah! Or pens or any other collectible! Thanks. They are coming as "gray beards" again correct?
Need copies of their orders from OSD for their flight authorization.
Thanks
From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD·PA [marlto:Dallas.Lawrence~
To • • MAJ CFLCC/3A-FWD-CMD GRP
Coins are my business! I will have bios to you next week.
From: rU\f(ri ; MAJ CFLCC/3A-FWD-CMD GRP [ma"t .(b)(6)
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 9:39 AM
Subject: RE: Manifest for 000 Analyst DV trip (UNCLASSIFIED)
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Caveats: NONE
Yes, In fact as I read it last'evening, I saw your name on the POC list and knew you would be contacting me
about the trip.
First, I will need some bios on the travelers, second, need the same type orders we had before to allow them to fly, etc.
Thanks.
It was funny. after you left. I saw Hon Barbour on TV when they did the "staged" VTC from Iraq. I said, Hey, I know her!!!
Let me know what you need and I'll do my best. Is there any chance I can get a coin from Hon Barbour?
From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA [mailto:DaIl8s.LaWrence@1IB

To: [MliJ ' MAJ CFLCC/3A-FWD-CMD GRP
SUbject: RE: Manifest for DoD Analyst DV trip (UNCLASSIFIED)
Major, I hope this note finds you well
I wanted to be sure you had received a copy of the country clearance request for our second military analyst trip planned to
coincide with the same time frame as the October trip (the week before the Iraq elections). The DTG for the clearance
request is 05111021 aDz
I look forward to working with you on another great trip (7 december - 11)
I)allas n. Lawl'l:net'
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From: (b)(6) MAJ CFLCC/3A-FWD-CMD GRP [maHto (b)(6)

Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 1:37 AM
Subject: RE: Manifest for DoD Analyst OV trip (UNCLASSIFIED)
Importance: High
Caveats: NONE
Thanks for their bios.
,
Now, I simply need their "Go BY" names and spouses names.
Thanks
Major~
.
r
senrmtmliy, October 03,20059:10 PM
To: • • . MAJ CFLCC/3A-FWD-CMD GRP'
bios attached for four of my six, other two are forthcoming.
Caveats: NONE
Caveats: NONE
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Classification: UNCLASSIFI ED
Caveats: NONE
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From: ' vze279gy@lD1m

Sent: Thursday, November 17,20059:55 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq l)pdate #2
Dallas:
Non
Responsive
Jack Jacobs ~.
>Prom: "Lawrence, Dallas, OASD~l?A" <Dallas.Lawrenc:e~
>Date: Thu Nov 17 08:19:39 CST 2005
:>To: "'jedbabbin • _ "<iedbabbinetlnliii
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:>Cc: "Evans, Dave, CIV, OASD-PA" rJtil5Eft"lla

•••••••••
>Subject: Iraq Update ~2 .
::
>Folks, thanks for your patience,? Weare now neck deep into the weeds of clearing the
country clearanceprocess.? Today and tomorrow my office will begin to cut your funded
invitationaltravel orders. If you had rsvp'd as a tentative, please let me know if you have
been ~ble to firm up your plans.? ??As a reminder, OSDwilli!und yo~r 70ach travel tickets
. hie w~l1 actually purchaEle them}.? Ithas been our experiene-e that ~t ~S, a very much
smoother process if all can~epart on the same flight out of DC, therepy allowing everyone
to be inprocessed at Kuwaittogether.? As things looks now, that means a morning departure
from Dulleson the morning of the 7th of December.? In all likelihood wewill be flying on
British Air.
:>?
>The last two trips to Iraq with.theanalyats were not finally approved until the week
before.? Knowing how theprocess works, we will have every piece ready to go, so when the
pUll thetrigger, we can seamlessly transition.? All need to have a valid USPassport, and
that's it.?
>?
>Thanks again for your patience!
:>?
:>Dallas B. Lawrence
>Director. Officeof Community Relations & Public Liaison United
:>statesn;partment of Defense
>N} rimlil_
>?
>From; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
>Sent: Thursday, November 10, 20053:50 PM
:>To: 'jedbabbinlri5fZh ; 'tmcinerneY[ll~1~5~~~I~:t~~~~~.
'WSSlnter~teven _
'vze279gy@[mIW_ _ '; 'mccauslj@ ~ e, b 6
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>Subject: Iraq Update
:>?
:>polks,
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>For those receiving this email, we have released a countryclearance request for Iraqfor
the dates previously noted.? We will likely be in a holding patternfor the next 3-7 days.?
Until we receive country clearance, this trip willnot be finalized, and there is always
the likelihood it will be denied (butI'd say We are 100king'pretty good).? Please do not
cancel or changeyour plans until we receive the final go ahead.? Thank you folks for
yourpatience!
>?
>Happy Veterans Day.
>?
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>?
>Dallas 8. Lawrence
>Director, Officeof Community Relations & Public Liaison United
>Starrt~el1siD~eIP.alriltlmlelnltlliollf.Dlle.flelnlsle
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(b)(6)
From: • • MAJ CFLCC/3A-FWD-CMD GRP (b)(6)

Sent: Thursday, November 17, 20059:39 AM
Caveats: NONE
Yes, In fact as I read it last evening, I saw your name on the POC list and knew you would be contacting me about the trip.
First, I will need some bios on the travelers, second, need the same type orders we had before to allow them to fly, etc.
Thanks.
It was funny, after you left, I saw Hon Barbour on TV when they did the "staged" VTC from Iraq. I said, Hey, I know her!!!
Let me know what you need and I'll do my best. Is there any chance I can get a coin from Hon Barbour?
Sen~vember 17, 2005 5:32 PM
To: rmlm. . . MAJ CFLCC/3A-FWD-CMD GRP
Major, I hope this note finds you well.
I wanted to be sure you had received a copy of the country clearance request for our second military analyst trip planned to
coincide with the same time frame as the October trip (the week before the Iraq elections). The DTG for the clearance
request is 05111021 ODz •
I look forward to working with you on another great trip (7 december - 11)
1)1II1a.~ B. Lnwrt'llt·c
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From:. • MAJ CFLCC/3A-FWD-CMD GRP [mailto:

Sent: Tuesday, October 04,2005 1:37 AM
Subject: RE: Manifest for DoD Analyst DV trip (UNCLA.SSIFIED)
Importance: High
Caveats: NONE·
Thanks for their bios.
Now, I simply need their "Go BY" names and spouses names.
Thanks
Majorl
Sent: Monday, October 03, 20059:10 PM
To: • • MAJ CFLCC/3A-FWD-CMD GRP'
SUbject: RE: Manifest for DoD Analyst DV trip (UNCLA.SSIFIED)
bios attached for four of my six, other two are forthcoming.
Classification: UNCLASSI Fl ED
Caveats: NONE
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Caveats: NONE
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From: Steven J. Greer CSM (Ret) [steven .(b)(6)

Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 7:51 A
SUbject: Re: Iraq Update
Andy, looks like Jed Babbin (he's a former Under Sec for Policy??, now writes for American Spectator; great guy; always
at the sec's meetings); LTG Tom Mcinerney, (you know him from FNC, retired AF); Wayne Simmons (retired CIA spook,
lots of energy, still looks like he can bench press 300 Ibs, went to Gitmo wI him, freq FNC guy); Don't recognize
vze279gy@JbfldW COL (ret) Jeff McCausland (academic type from Dickenson Univ in PA, believe he worked with either
NBCIABC during the war, interesting, nice guy); COL (ret) Ken Allard (works for CSIS I think, big time think tanker); not
sure who 10rassoc@li)tm1 is either.
Last trip there was Gen Monty Meigs and others who wet to Gitmo but just didn't click with me... so, I'm pretty stoked about
this one.
Will be in DC early Tuesday. If you are around, maybe we can do lunch? Have a radio interview at 0900.
Folks,
For those receiving this email, we have r~leased a country clearance request for Iraq for the dates previously noted.
We will likely be in a holding pattern for the next 3-7 days. Until we receive country clearance, this trip will not be
finalized, and there is always the likelihood it will be denied (but I'd say we are looking pretty good). Please do not
cancel or change your plans until we receive the final go ahead. Thank you folks for your patience!
Happy Veterans Day.
dl
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From:
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Steven J. Greer CSM (Ret) [steven @(b)(6)
Sure...
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To: 'Steven J. Greer CSM (Ret)'
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 8:39 AM
Steve, no worries, again, we are in a tentative phase, nothing even near final yet. However, while you deconflict, can I
have your dob and ssn as a place holder (I will submit your clearance for country in advance)
thanks
J)ullns B. LaWl'ell(·.\·
Ilil'l'l'!"r. OITi.·(· ofCO/lllllllllil\ 1{{'l:llilln~,~ 1'lIhli,' l.iai~oJl
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From: Steven J. Greer CSM (Ret) [mailto:steven

sent:Wednesday, November 09, 20058:32 AM
Hi Dallas, thanks. Did rcv initial msg. Trying to deconflict my schedule. Will confirm today with you, Thx, Steve
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To: 'steven @(b)(6)
Sent: Wednesday, November 09,20058:18 AM
Steven, I wanted to make sure you saw this as I didn't get a response from you. Thanks. Need info today.
J)81111~ B. Lawl'ene('
(b)(2)

SUbject: Iraq Trip
Hi there. This email is being sent to a very limited number of our senior retired military analysts. I ask that you
please not discuss it with others until all details have been finalized.
We are currently looking at putting together a second trip for analysts to Iraq, to fall around the week before the
December 15th Elections.
Tentatively, we are looking at an itinerary that looks something like:
12/7
Depart CONUS on Commercial air
12/8
Arrive Kuwaiti remain overnight
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12/9
Early AM departure for Iraq
Iraq Briefings
12/10
Iraq
12/11
Briefing and site visits in Iraq, depart for Kuwait late afternoon
12/12
Depart Kuwait for CONUS
12/12
Arrive CONUS early evening
What I need to know from those receiving this email is 1) if you are interested and tentatively these dates work for
you; and 2) Your dob, ssn, passport number (this can come later, dob and ssn asap)
DoD will issue invitational travel orders funded to cover the cost of a coach ticket to and from Kuwait. You will be
responsible for 2 nights in the Kuwait hotel (first leg of trip and the return overnight). The analysts that went on the
previous trip I thinK would all agree that the trip was incredibly valuable.
Please let me know asap of your interest.
Best,
Dalla;; n. Lll"'...·IH'I~
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To: Ruff, !;ric, SES, OASD-PA
Subject: FW: analysts in iraq li!3t
here is our list so far... not much room for us to pepper in others. as you know, the footprint cant get too big. please look
at~Mlii list and see if there are one or two at the max we should add.
thanks
ab
Subject: analysts in iraq list
Fyi ...
Mr. Jed Babbin (AF, Former JAG) YES
DOB (b)(6)
SSN (b)(6)
Dr. Jeff McCausland (Colonel, USA, Retired) CBS News . TENT YES
DOB (b)(6)
Lieutenant General Thomas McInerney (USAF, Retired) FOX News YES
DOB~
SSN (b)(6)
Command Sergeant Major Steve Greer (USA, Retired) FOX News TENT YES
DOB (b)(6) •
SSN~
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Colonel Jack Jacobs (USA, Retired) tinc / MSNBC / CNBC TENT YES
DOB_
SSN (b)(6)
Mr. Wayne Simmons (USN, CIA, Retired) FOX News YES
DOB~
SSN (b)(6)
Colonel Ken Allard (USA, Retired) NBC News YES
DPOB_
SSN (b)(6)
Major Frederick (Andy) Messing Jr. (USAR, Retired) YES
DOB (b)(6)
SSN (b)(6)
Dallas It Lllwrmwe
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From:
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Nardotti, Michael [MNardotti
Dallas
I left you a voice-mail a few moments ago. My apologies for the late reply. Unfortunately, I have commitments on Dec 7
and 8 that I cannot move, so I will not be able to make this trip. Thanks very much for the invitation. Please keep me on
your list for the future.
Mike Nardotti
Michael J. Nardotti, Jr.
Major General, US Army, Retired
Patton Boggs LLP
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mnardotti @(b)(6)
INWW. pattonboggs. com
From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA [mailto:Dallas.Lawrence@rmIB
SUbject: Iraq Trip
Hi there. This email is being sent to a very limited number of our senior retired military analysts. I ask that you please
not discuss it with others until all details have been finalized.
12/7
DepC)rt CONUS on Commercial air
12/8
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Arrive Kuwait I remain overnight
12/9
Iraq Briefings
12/10
Iraq
12/11
12/12
12/12
What I need to know from those receiving this email is 1) if you are interested and tentatively these dates wor\< for you:
and 2) Your dOb, ssn, passport number (this can come later, dob and ssn asap)
previous trip I think would all agree that the trip was incredibly valuable.
Best,
I)ullu~ B. LIIWI'I~lIee
lJil'\~(·lor. Ofti!:" ol'Conllll[lllil \ H,·lulion,- 8: ('[Illlil' Li.\iHIIl
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From: Steven J. Greer CSM (Ret) [steven@tI1rm~~"I:t:tl• • • • • •

SUbject: Re: Iraq Trip
Hi Dallas, thanks. Did rcv initial msg. Trying to deconflict my schedule. Will confirm today with you. Thx, Steve
Steven, I wanted to make sure you saw this as I didn't get a response from you. Thanks. Need info today.
Dallas B. Lawrellee
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Subject: Iraq Trip
12/7
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12/8
Arrive Kuwait 1 remain overnight
12/9
Iraq Briefings
12/10
. Iraq
12/11
12/12
12/12
What I need to know from those receiving this email is 1) if you are interested and tentatively these dates work for you;
and 2) Your dob, ssn, passport number (this can come later, dob and ssn asap)
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Best,
Direr" or. Olrin' of COl/lllllllli I.~ H,·la ti'lll' &. Publi,' Liai,rJll
Llllled Slale., Dp.I'm't ml'.nl or D,··fell'"

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From: . JedBabbin@Clll9.
Subject: FrontPage
FrontPage magazine. com :: Wilson's House of Lies by DiscoverTheNetworks.org
. I I

(home fax)
(mobile)
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From: .
Sent:
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Grange, David [DGrange@t1Jm;t~Rm31• •
Tuesday, November DB, 2005 9:05 AM
Thank you much for providing the opportunity. Due to Foundation Board meeting and the Vietnam Vets Memo Board
meeting during that timeframe it will not work out for me. Please consider me again in the future.
-----Origlnal Message----
SUbject: Iraq Trip
12/7
12/8
Arrive Kuwait / remain overnight
12/9
Iraq Briefings
12/10
Iraq
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12/11
12/12
12/12
What I need to know from those receiving this email is 1) if you are interested and tentatively these dates work for you;
and 2) Your dob, ssn, passport number (this can come later, dob and ssn asap)
Best,
nllllll~ B. LllWI'l~III~I'
(b)(2)
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From: JedBabbin@b]tm_
SUbject: Re: Today's Spectator - 01' Joe (Wilson)
Would you like me to send a link or two if something breaks? I'm home today working on the China book.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From:
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JedBabbin@nilfmW
SUbject: Re: Today's Spectator - 01' Joe (Wilson)
More than that. I spoke directly to Paul, and also to Tom McInerny. Paul verified it to me directly. And I also
have - thanks to him - the Wilson e~mail. It was published earlier by World Net Daily.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
NY TIMES 7001
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From: • • AFIS-HQlWeb Operations (b)(6)

Sent: Tuesday, October 25,20052:29 PM
Subject: RE: Disregard previous military analyst message
We'll do both. The White House link will be posted on ASY site momentarily. Have to get the video link from Pentagon
Channel.
Sent: Tuesday, October 25,2005 1:53 PM
To: rLitLd AFlS-HQjWeb Operations'
Actually I was thionking a direct link to the pentagon channel vieo of it so folks could watch it
From: rmtm ,
AFlS-HQjWeb Operations [mailto (b)(6)
Sent: Tuesday, October 25,2005 1:39 PM
Yes, as soon as the transcript is posted on the White House site.
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:21 PM "'ImJ•••
~ AFIS-HQjNEWS; ~ AFlS-HQ; LO • , AFIS-HQjDefend America;

~, eIV, OASD-PA
SUbject: RE: Disregard previous military analyst message
Any chance we can get a direct link to the potus speech today and link it from the great screen capture we now
have on asy?
From:~, AFIS-HQjNEWS
Sent: ~er 25, 2005 12:36 PM
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Subject: RE: Disregi!lrd previous military analyst message
on the way to you now.
Non Responsive
·····Orlginal Message···-- .
From: Lawrenc.e, Dallas, OASD-PA [mallto:Dallas.Lawrenc:e~
sent: Tuesday, October 25, 200512:26 PM
To:tli.ll.5 I, AFIS-HQjNEWS
Subject: RE: Disregard previous mIlitary analyst message
Hi there. How goes our' pager?
From: ~ AFIS-HQlNEWS
sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 12;39 PM
Subject: fIN: Disregard previous military analyst message
····-Original Message·····
From: NMlii , AFIS-I-:lQ/PIA
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:09 AM
To:tmllb , AFIS·HQjNEWS .
Subject: fW: Disregard previous military analyst message
Here are the reports in question - dO you want me to strip out the links to the clips and just give you something
like
LTC~
MSNBC Wednesday, October xx,
Gen. BG Ego
Fox, Thursday, October xx
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From:rmtm CIV, OASDPA [maHto (b)(6)
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:00 AM
To:rU\fl..'"i l AFIS-HQjPIA;. • . CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: Disregard previous military analyst message
OK, looks like I sent you one you already have so I am just going to send all foUr to you again so there is no
confusion. Sorry.
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From: . ~ LTC, OASD-PA

Sent: ~ber 11,20054:00 PM
Cc: I • Lt Col, OASD-PA
SUbject: RE: Retired Gen Meigs al1g MG Shepherd
Dallas,
Can you square away LTG Petraeus?
vr
Barry
-----Ori~inal Message----
From: ~~" Lt Col, OASD-PA
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:41 PM
To: I • LTC, OASD-PA
Subject: Retired Gen Meigs ang MG Shepherd
Barry.
Is there any way you can email me the email addresses and phone numbers for military
analysts Gen Monty Meigs and MG Don Shepherd--both retired. Want to provide to LTG
Petraeus for his use.
~ is out today .... can you see if ~ o r someone else has the info. Trying to
get right away. Thanks.--~
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From: . Hill, Sebastian [sebastian. hill • b) 6

Sent: Monday, October 10, 20057:10 PM
To: Lawrence, Dallas. OASD-PA
Subject: RE: Capta.in nash
Dallas,
We're trying to get Capt Nash on the show on Tuesday. I have a couple of questions about the trip. What's the best
number to call you on? Or if you can, call me at 212-301-3038.
Best,
Sebastian
-----Or/ginal Message----
From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA [mailtO:Dallas.Lawrence~
Sent: Sunday, October 09,2005 1:45 PM
To: Hill, sebastian
Subject: Captain nash
Sebastian,
We just got back from three days in iraq with a number of different retired media analysts, including chuck nash and
john garrett. They just had incredible acces to senior us military, us ambassador and most importantly, iraqi military.
They met with the minister of defense as well as several iraqi military officials and they visited an iraqi training center·
with over a thousand troops. They have amazing first hand info about the success of the iraqi military, a story horribly
missreported. If you guys are looking for great photos and unmatched first hand accounts of the real status of the iraqi
military and their optimism about the democratic future of iraq they are it.
I think nash has been working with your folks for a tuesday hit, this would truly be worth a larger segment. 6 to 8
minutes to actually dispell the mis reported news. I just wanted to make sure you knew the level of new info he has.
He has been working with ken dudonis.
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From: CIV, OASD-PA

Sent: Friday, October 07, 20056:11 PM
To: rmmJ CIV, OASD-PA
Cc: Di Rita, LaravclV, OSD-OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES,
OASD-PA; mGt LTC, OASD-PA; Vician, Todd, Maj, OASD-PA; Thorp, Frank,
CAPT,OCJCS/PA
Subject: transcript - Petraeus w/military analysts
Attachments: 10-05-05 Petraeus Iraq.doc
Attached is the transcript from Lt. Gen .. Petraeus' phone call with the military analysts on Wednesday afternoon.
It was on the record.
10-05-05 Petraeus
Iraq.doc (63...
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From: rUmri ; CIV, OASD-PA

Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:08 PM
To: RUff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
Subject: Phone Call - Babbin
Importance: High
1605 - Jed Babbin. Leaving at 430 and would like you to call him over the weekend. (b)(2)
(b (6)
Administrative Support Assistant
OASD Public Affairs
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From:
Sent:
• • SPC CFLCC PAO [ (b)(6)
Friday, October 07, 20056:43 AM
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD.PA
SUbject: Military analyst visit to Kuwait
Mr. Lawrence,
I hope you had a good visit. Let me know if the photos turned out alright.
My photo credit information is:
Spc. (b)(6)
11 th PAD
It was a pleasure meeting both you and Ms. Barber. Let me know if you need any additional information.
VIR,
Spc. (b)(6)
Desert Voice Assistant Editor
11 th PAD/CFLCC PAO
DSN: (b)(2)
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From: . JedBabbin@1MliJ_
Sent: Thursday, October 06,20058:22 AM
Cc: Jones, Tara, CIV, OASD·PA
Subject: Petraeus
Many thanks for getting Gen. Petraeus for the show last evening. He was terrific. You cansee the transcript on
www.radioblogger.com. the site run by Hugh's exec producer, (b)(6)
I'll be subbing for Hugh again the whole week of October 18th. Let's talk about it. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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Sent:
To:
.Sdi
I.
October
OS, 2005 3:46 PM
CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: Re: Leaving now
Tell him abt the things I mentioned in my email. Thanks
.-----0mlninal Message----
From: I (ij , CIV, OASD-PA ~
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA <Eric.Ruff~
Sent: Wed Oct 05 15:26:09 2005
SUbject: RE: Leaving now
i'm calling him .

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From: JedBabbin@ijWt\: [mailto:JedBabbin~
Sent: Wednesda~, October OS, 2005 3:14 PM
To: eric. ruff@[mtld
Cc: ijmlH
Subject: Leaving now
Guys: I'm on the cell phone only between now and about 5 pm, on the way to the studio.
Please let me know if we can get Petraeus. Many thanks. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
NY TIMES 7011'
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From: . Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA

Sent: edneSda October OS, 2005 3:45 PM
To: _• • I Capt. USMC, OASD-PA
Cc: •• CIV, OASD-PA
SUbject: Fw: FWd: Call in number
Attachments: RE: Call in number
Fyi
RE: Call In number
This is fro ~ Please let me know if you need anything else. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
('home fax)
(mobile)
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From: ~ CIV, OASD-PA

Sent: ~, October 05, 2005 3:26 PM
Subject: RE: Leaving now
, calling him.
From: JedBabbin@fiDfGil [majlto:JedBabbin@_
Sent: Wednesday, October OS, 20053:14 PM
To: eric.ruff@osd.mil
Cc: • •
Subject: Leaving now
Guys: I'm on the cell phone only between now and about 5 pm, on the way to the studio. Please let me know
if we can get Petraeus. Many thanks. Best, Jed.
Jed Rabbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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(b)(6)

Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 20053:22 PM
To: "edbabbi ..
Cc: Capt. USMC, OASD-PA;'- CIV, OASD-PA
SUbject: ewitt stations
Jed, ltg petraeus will do the show. I'd like to suggest he be your first guest coming
right out of the news at the top of the hour. He can go for 15 minutes (a littke more if
you think the flow is good). There are no call-ins, right. is withe ltg and
has the contact info you've given me. We need the studio line. Thanks, eric
-----Original Messa~e-----
From: JedBabbin~afiaiii <JedBabbin~
To: Eric.Ruff<dmm <Eric.Ruff~rlm;Dtm~.ii

••
Sent: Wed Oct 05 14:50:38 2005
SUbject: Re: Hugh Hewitt stations
Prefer any time within 6-7 pm EDT. I'd be grateful for any length segment, but would like
at least 10 mins with him. We can chat before to limit topics if he's uneasy.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From: .
Sent:
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Ruff, Eric. SES, OASD-PA
Wednesda~ 05, 20052:49 PM
To: 'jedbabbinIglWl\,!J.
Subject: Re: H~gh Hewitt stations
Is there a preferred t~me or are we wide open?
From: JedBabbin~<JedBabbi~
To: Eric.Ruff~~Eric.Ruff~
Sent: Wed Oct 05 14:39:10 2005
Subject: Re: Hugh Hewitt stations
Eric: Many thanks. Producer's name is Duane Patterson. His cell number is (b)(2)
Don't have the call-in number handy but will get it for you asap. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From:
Sent:
To:
Subject:
Jed, glad to broach this. Meantime, what is the call-in # for the studio, what is the
producer's name and what is the back-up phone #? Thanks.
--·--Original Messa e----

From: JedBabbin , . <JedBabbin
To: , •
Cc: eric. ruff@,. <eric. ruff@'

•
Sent: Wed Oct 05 12:48:38 2005
Subject: Hugh Hewitt stations
GUys: Here's the broadcast list for Hugh's show. Please let me know if we can get
Petraeus. Many thanks. Best, Jed.
Hugh Hewitt: Station List
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From: . _ _ CIV, OASD-PA

Sent: Wednesday, October OS, 2005 1:33 PM
Cc: ~Mi9 CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: rsvp's for conf call
here are the confirmed for today's call with petraeus:
Colonel Ken AHard (USA, Retired)
General William L. Nash (USA, Retired)
Lieutenant General Erv Rokke (USAF, Retired)
Confirmed Civilian Defense Experts:
Mr. Barry Posen, Professor of Political Science, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Walter B. Slocombe, Caplin & Drysdale, Chartered
Mr. John Wobensmith, American Foreign Policy Council
Michael Horowitz, Hudson Institute
mall
OSD Public Affairs
rmrm The Pentagon
rUlqton, D.C. 20301
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From: JedBabbin@mmJI
Sent: Wednesda Y October 05,200512:49 PM
To:
Cc:
rtmm i CIV, OASD-PA
RUff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
Subject: Hugh Hewitt stations
Guys: Here's the broadcast list for Hugh's show. Please let me know if we can get Petraeus. Many thanks. Best,
Jed.
Hugh Hewitt: Station List
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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(b)(6)
From: •• • AF/S-HQ/PIA (b)(6)

Sent: Wednesday, October 05,200510:41 AM
To: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA;
Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
Attachments: Data Depot for 10.04.05.doc
Data Depot for

10.04.0S.doc (1. ..
- polling data about Iraq and hurricane relief
military analyst quotes about Operation Iron Fist
- measuring TV coverage of Able Danger, SecDef,l and Guantanamo over the past month
«Data Depot for lO.04.05.doc»
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Poll-pourr; Military Analvsts on "Operation Iron Fist"

Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey
r·_·_·_·_·_·'
Research Associates International, 9129 - 30
• Major General Bob Scales (Fox News):

.
Do you approve or disapprove of the way Bush is
handling terrorism and homeland security?"
I· "The key is Syria, the fast thing we want I
• is for this (war) to be Iraq's Cambodia" •
Approve
%
Disapprove
%
Unsure
%
I Colonel Jack Jacobs (MSNBC): . I
• • "Eventually we will be withdrawing our •
9/29 - 9/30 51 44 5
I troops which is why we are training I
9/8 -9/9 46 48 6 'advisors' to leave behind with Iraqi •
8/2 - 8/4 51 41 8 • units"
3/17 - 3/18 57 35 8 I ._._._._ ..I
4/8 -4/9 59 35 6
3/25 - 3/26 57 38 5 Able'Donger, Secreta", Rums(eI'1 and
2/19 - 2/20 65 28 7 Guantal1amo TV Coverage
Over One Montlt
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RED = Able Danger GREEN= Guantanamo
importantjactor in Wa~hington not doing

BLUE = Secretary Rumsfeld
a betterjob in responding to Hurricane Katrina?

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handle Hurricane Katrina recovery
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how you feel about that this money is being • SecDef and Chairman
"'Late night Senate Arms Service
federal spending on spent wisely?
Myers take part in Committee
discussion of National POW IMIA
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Gitmo and torture ·SecDef: U.S. troops
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* In,.l"rI". CNN MSC7ll1?C li'oy lila"'. ar "'all eo
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From: Nmlit
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AFIS-HQ/PIA (b)(6)
To: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA;

SUbject: This Week's Data Depot. Topics include
- polling data about Iraq and hurricane relief

- military analyst quotes about Operation Iron Fist
- measuring TV coverage of Able Danger, SecDef, and Guantanamo over the past month
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(b)(6)
From: ~ elV, OASD-PA
Sent: Wednesday, October OS, 2005 9:56 AM
Subject: FW: Conference Call TODAY
jed wants petraeus on radio. any chance?

thanks
mIl
From: JedBabbin@MmW [mallto:JedBabbin~
semmedneSdar' octo.er OS, 2005 9:27 AM
To: • •
Subject: Re: Conference Call TODAY
1'ten1 minute
Thanks. I'll be there. Doing the Hugh Hewitt show today. Any chance of getting Petraeus on for a five or
segment? I know it'd be almost impossible (we're on 6-9 pm, which is 2-5 am Baghdad time) but I
have to ask. Thanks.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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(b)(6)
From: mmlWII. CIV, OASD-PA

SUbject: RE: Conference Call TODAY
here's the latest info i have for him....

Dr. Andrew F. Krepinevich, Jr.
Executive Director
The Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments
1730 Rhode Island Avenue, NW, Suite 912
Telephone: _ _
Fax:
Email: Je1I1eYJC1{l ~tlii'l;l• • • •
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:40 AM
To: rU\fIH CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: Conference Call TODAY
IDII do you have a # for krepenevich? thanks.

From: PiI~5"liI'P.Gt~·CIV, OASD-PA
sent: WedneSday, October 05,20059:25 AM
To: raMS_ CIV, OASD,PA
« OLE Object: Microsoft Photo Editor 3.0 Picture»
MEMORANDUM

Date: October 5, 2005
We invite you to participate in a conference call, Today, October 5, 2005, from 2:30 pm to 3:00 pm.
Lieutenant General David H. Petraeus will brief you on progress and operations from his time in Iraq.
His biography is attached for your review. Your host for this call will be ~ .
To participate in this conference call, please dial • and ask the operator
to connect you to the Analysts conference call.
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Please R.S.V.P. to _ at (b)(6) or call her at (b)(2)
« File: Lt. Gen. Petraus Bio.doc »
~
OSD Public Affairs
rmtS1The Pentagon
~ton, D.C. 20301
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United States Army
Lieutenant General DAVID H. PETRAEUS
Enroute to: Commanding General
United States Army Combined Arms Center and Fort
Leavenworth
Fort Leavenworth, Kansas 66027·2300
since: October 2005
SOURCE OF COMMISSIONED SERVICE USMA
MILITARY SCHOOLS ATTENDED

Infantry Officer Basic and Advanced Courses
Armor Officer Advanced Course
United States Army Command and General Staff College
Senior Service College Fellowship. Georgetown University
EDUCATIONAL DEGREES
United States Military Academy - BS - No Major
Princeton University - MPA - International Relations
Princeton University - PHD. - International Relations
FOREIGN LANGUAGE(S) None recorded
PROMOTIONS DATES OF APPOINTMENT

2LT 5 Jun 74
ILT 5 Jun 76
CPT 8 Aug 78
MAJ 1 Aug 85
LTC 1 Apr 91
COL 1 Sep 95
BG 1 Jan 00
MG 1 Jan 03
LTG 18 May 04
MAJOR DUTY ASSIGNMENTS

FROM TO ASSIGNMENT
May 75 Jan 79 Platoon Leader, C Company, later S-4 (Logistics), later S-1 (Personnel),
509th Airborne Battalion Combat Team, Vicenza, Italy
Jan 79 Jul 79 Assistant S-3 (Operations), 2d Brigade, 24th Infantry Division
(Mechanized), Fort Stewart, Georgia
Jul79 May 81 Commander, A Company, later S-3 (Operat~ons), 2d Battalion, 19th
Infantry, 24th Infantry Division (Mechanized), Fort Stewart, Georgia
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Lieutenant General DAVID H. PETRAEUS
May 81 May 82
Aide-de-Camp to the Division Commander, 24th Infantry Division
(Mechanized), Fort Stewart, Georgia
May 82 Jun 83
Student, United States Army Command and General Staff College, Fort
Leavenworth, Kansas
Jun 83 lun 85
Student, Princeton University, Princeton, New Jersey
lui 85 Jun 87 Instructor, later Assistant Professor, Department of Social Sciences, United
States Military Academy, West Point, New York
lun 87 lun 88 Military Assistant to the Supreme Allied Commander Europe, Supreme
Headquarters, Allied Powers Europe, Belgium
Jun 88 Aug 89 S-3 (Operations), 2d Battalion, 30th Infantry, later 1st Brigade, 3d Infantry
Division (Mechanized), United States Army Europe, Germany
Aug 89 Aug 91 Aide/Assistant Executive Officer to the Chief of Staff, United States
Army, Washington, DC
Aug 91 Jul93 Commander, 3d Battalion, I87th Infantry, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault),
Fort Campbell, Kentucky
Jul93 Jul94 G-3 (Operations)/Director of Plans, Training and Mobilization, 101st
Airborne Division (Air Assault), Fort Campbell, Kentucky
Aug 94 Jan 95 Senior Service College Fellow, Georgetown University, Washington, DC
Jan 95 Jun 95 Chief Operations Officer, UN Mission in Haiti, OPERATION UPHOLD
DEMOCRACY, Haiti
Jun 95 Jun 97 Commander, 1st Brigade, 82d Airborne Division, Fort Bragg, North
Carolina
Jun 97 Sep 97 Executive Assistant to the Director of the Joint Staff, The Joint Staff,
Washington, DC
Oct 97 Aug 99 Executive Assistant to the Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, Office of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff, Washington, DC
Aug 99 JulOO Assistant Division Commander (Operations), 82d Airborne Division, Fort
Bragg, North Carolina and Commanding General, Combined Joint Task
Force-Kuwait, OPERATION DESERT SPRING, Kuwait
JulOO Aug 00 Acting Commanding General, 82d Airborne Division, Fort Bragg, North
Carolina
Aug 00 Jun 01 Chief of Staff, XVIII Airborne Corps, Fort Bragg, North Carolina
Jun 01 Jun 02 Assistant Chief of Staff for Operations, SFOR and Deputy Commander, United
States Joint Interagency Counter-Terrorism Task Force, OPERAnON JOINT
FORGE, Sarajevo, Bosnia-Herzegovina
Jul02 May 04 Commanding General, 101 st Airborne Division (Air Assault) and Fort Campbell,
Fort Campbell, Kentucky and OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM, Iraq
May 04 Sep 05 Commander, Multi-National Security Transition Command-Iraq/Commander,
NATO Training Mission-Iraq, OPERAnON IRAQI FREEDOM, Iraq
SUMMARY OF JOINT ASSIGNMENTS Grade

Military Assistant to the Supreme Allied Commander Jun 87 - Jun 88
Major
Europe, Supreme Headquarters, Allied Powers
Europe, Belgium (Cumulative Joint Credit)
Chief Operations Officer, UN Mission in Haiti, Jan 95 - Jun 95 Lieutenant Colonel

OPERATION UPHOLD DEMOCRACY, Haiti
(No Joint Credit)
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Lieutenant General DAYID H. PETRAEUS
Executive Assistant to the Director, The Joint Staff, later Jun 97 - Aug 99 Colonel
Executive Assistant to the Chairman, Joint Chiefs of
Staff, Washington, DC
Commanding General, Combined Joint Task Force- Aug 99 - Sep 99 Colonel

Kuwait, OPERATION DESERT SPRING, Kuwait
(No Joint Credit)
Assistant Chief of Staff for Operations, SFOR and Deputy Jun 01 - Jul 02
Brigadier General
Commander, United States Joint Interagency Counter
Terrorism Task Force, OPERATION JOINT FORGE,
Sarajevo, Bosnia-Herzegovina (No Joint Credit)
Commander, Multi-National Security Transition Command- May 04 - Sep 05

. Lieutenant General
Iraq/Commander, NATO Training Mission-Iraq,
OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM, Iraq
US DECORATIONS AND BADGES

Defense Distinguished Service Medal
Distinguished Service Medal
Defense Superior Service Medal (with Oak Leaf Cluster)
Legion of Merit (with 3 Oak Leaf Clusters)
Bronze Star Medal with "V" Device
Defense Meritorious Service Medal
Meritorious Service Medal (with 2 Oak Leaf Clusters)
Joint Service Commendation Metal
Army Commendation Medal (with 2 Oak Leaf Clusters)
Joint Service Achievement Medal
Army Achievement Medal
Expert Infantryman Badge
Master Parachutist Badge
Air Assault Badge
Ranger Tab
Joint Chiefs of Staff Identification Badge
Army Staff Identification Badge
As of 10 April 2008
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0,
(b)(6)
From: Barber, Allison, CIV. OASD-PA

To: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES,
OASD-PA; Grimsley, William F, COL, OSD; Stanley, Daniel, Hono, OSD-LA; ~mm CIV,
OASD-PA;"SUiii ,CIV, OASD-PA
Cc: Rangel, Robert S, CIV, OSD
SUbject: Re:
Military analysts call would be great. Please include tara on all scheduling issues so
she can coordinate.
Thx
From: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA <larry.dirita@i5W15
To: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA <Bryan. Whitmancah!ithi ; Ruff, l~ric, SES, OASD-PA
<Eric. Ruf f~MfWr @i\!lSi
n5Wlri ~I Stanley, Daniel, Hon., OSD: LA <Daniel. StanleyC1fjMGi
CC: Barber, AlliS01t CIV, OASD-PA <Allison.Barber~ RangE~l, Robert S, CIV, OSD
<Robert.Rangel@lM~
Sent: Wed Oct 05 07:57:42 2005
Subject:
For gen petreaus today, things to consider:
Press avail -- definitely
Military analysts? Any available? Just a handful of the more active ones would be fine.
Krepinevich meeting? Is anyone in contact with him. It would bl~ worth the effort. He
wrote the "oil spot" article for foreign affairs.
Individual members if not the committees? McCain? Warner? Hunter?
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(b)(6)
From: Oi Rita, Larry, C1V, OSO-OASO-PA

Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 20057:30 PM
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASO-PA
Subject: RE: O'Reilly and Gen Clark
May not have been last nite.
To: Dj Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD·PA
Subject: FW: O'Reilly and Gen Clark
j'm stuck. i asked for the relevant transcript segment and this is all their is. i don't see a "dump" the boss statement.
-----Original Messa,---
From: rtnTld CIV,OASD·PA
Sent: Tuesday, October 04,200511:22 AM
To: Ruff, Eric, 5ES, OASD-PA; fU,fla " av, OSD-LA
Ce: fastki CN,OASD-PA
Subject: RE: O'Reilly and Gen Clark
that is the only time that Of~eilly or anyone else on during the Factor last night
mentioned the boss by title or name. any other keywords that would help
narrow the search?
·_·--Original Message--·-
Sent: Tuesday, October 04,2005 l1:11jftA..MW:ioI_ _
To: _ . . SD-PA;rU\lGi " CIV, 05D-LA
Ce: I • CN, OASD-PA
SUbject: RE: O'Reilly and Gen Clark
rr.n i've gone through this and i'm not seeing anything that is overly critical of the sd. can you please doublecheck
that this is the only portion of the shOw that O'reilly mentioned the sd? thanks.
····-Original Messa~e--··-
From: 1b~i CIV, OASD-PA
sent: Tuesday, October 04,200511:02 AM
To: R,l.!f(;giCr SES, OASD-PA;r.51Ci av, OSD·LA
Ce: rii\TI:I I I. aV,OASD·PA
SUbject: O'Reilly and Gen Clark
FNC 10/03/0520:39:00: ... bill: joining us now is fox news military analyst wesley Clark who
is thinking about iraq policy. general, go. what would you do if you were in charge.
» it's always taken a three-legged stool to succeed in iraq. leg is the military and leg two is
the politics in iraq and leg three is the diplomacy in the region and with iraq's neighbors. for
the first year, we were in iraq and only had leg one, the military. then we added the the
political and they're bringing a' constitution to be voted on that will really anger 20% of the
popUlation. when it passes, which it probably will, we will have deeper animosities inside
iraq. the mission is in trOUble, right, it's a big mess. the reason is the bush administration
never has really grasped the diplomatic problem in the region. we have to work the
diplomacy for the region. we mead individually and we send people in and talk to iraq's
neighbors. turkey and jordan. no problem. kuwait, no problem. syria and iran, that's really
NY TIMES 7029
tough. this administration doesn't want to talk to either one of them directly. they are part of
the problem in iraq. when we invaded iraq we let syria and iran know they were next. we
were putting this on syria right now and we would like to run the administration out of town.
get rid of this government in syria and he has no intent to help us work in iraq. as far as
iran is concerned, we have i looming nuclear crisis with iran and we are not talking to them.
our military people are mission in iraq is held hostage by the neighbors. we are going to
have to talk to the neighbors if we want to make this mission w~rk.
bill: syria i you can probably make a deal to spare ba sheer's life. i agree with you.
» you can go in and start working it. he is a guy who wants to stay in power and has
agencies competing against him and under cutting israel.
bill: i agree. i think it's workable in syria. u.s. should send the ambassador back. i don't
think it's workable in iran. those people are so far beyond ... this point that no matter what
you said to them, it's not going to make a difference. » have you been over to iran?
bill: i have been in the gulf.
» i have been in the gulf too and had several instances of people from iran wanting to
talk to me. there elements of the government that want to talk. now, can you do it so it
doesn't look like weakness? that's what diplomats are supposed to be able to do.
bill: i'm not opposed to that.
» you must find the common interest. no one wants a huge war inside iraq.
bill: i disagree. i think iran is thrilled about it.
» iran can't win that war.
bill: if we cut and run as 25% of americans want to do right now, iran fill that is vacuum and
team up and call the shots in southern iraq. i think iran is thrilled.
» in southern iran they call the shots, but not all of iraq. you have saudi arabia, you have
syria, you have jordan and a lot of money that is going to flow in there. the way it works is a
lot of these countries are willing to use al-qaeda. » that's what iran is doing. » this is not
going to suit their purposes to let iran have the whole country or even -
bill: let's settle up.
»we top the build out of it a regional dialogue and let the united states train the iraqi
forces and step back as the guarantor and let each of these countries guarantee iraq's
border and let their -
bill: it's an optimistic viewpoint.
» it's possible.
bill: north korea prove its, but we don't know that they will do what they say. jIm not
opposed to having conversations with syria and iran to help us out, but syria, i think you
can do it because as you said, it's his life. we can take his and should if he doesn't help us.
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» iran is the most difficult country in the region .... we have to engage if there is nothing
wrong with talking to people.
bill: let me ask you about this ruling last week that after the aclu, the government has to put
out more abu ghralb pictures. you heard miers saying nothing new. just more of the same.
we all know from the news week debacle this is going to enflame. crimes of passion need a
lighter. they need a fla'me. this will provide it. more americans are going to die. i have not
heard anybody come out and condemn the ruling, any politician, anybody from the
pentagon, donald rumsfeld, nobody. just me. what do you think?
» a lot of us don't know what's in the pictures.
bill: you don't believe miers?
» the other side is what is happening in iraq? it wasn't just abu ghraib. you have a captain
who said that this kind of torture and beating up people and so forth was condoned by his
unit and the chain of command is protecting it. » you know what war is about? » i don't.
the united states army that i served in proudly for 34 years did not beat up and torture
prisoners.
bill: with all respect, there were atrocities in vietnam and world war Ii and world war i and
the reVolutionary war.
»they were not by the chain of command. they were not condoned by the chain of
command. they were court marbled.
bill: with all due respect -- general, you need to look at the massacre in world war ii in the
82nd airborne.
» i'm looking at a volunteer army fighting a war against terror and you are going to win....
bill: you want those pictures out?
» i want our army to live up to -
bill: so you want the pictures out?
» we don't torture people. we need an investigation to see where this goes to the top level
with the chain of command and up to the white house.
bill: yes or no, general? do you agree?
» i would like to see the pictures.
bill: even to put americans in danger, you want to see them?
» what puts americans in damage is riot putting a geneva convention in force.
bill: we have guys over there. rethink it. i appreciate you coming around.
» i want to see what we can do to clean it up. we can't win a war by torturing people.
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bill: i agree but i don't want them in any more danger.
» hellerstein is wrong.
right back with a large dangerous lizard who apparently likes florida. that's not good news
for the sunshine state...
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(b)(6)
From:
Sent:
• •
Tuesday, October 04, 2005 11 :42 AM
SUbject: RE:
No, I'm coordinating from back here. Susan is out there already and we got a lot of folks heading out as of yesterday.
I ran into Alison Barber yesterday--she told me that you and she are heading out there together--be safe out there.
Rob
-·-·-Original Message--··- rmTIa'II
From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA [mailto:Dallas,Lawrence@-"
S e n ~03, 20059:30 AM
To:[mlm.....- ,
Subject:
hey there. 50, are you heading out to iraq for the elections?
I'm taking a group of military analysts out to iraq wednesday, will be there through this weekend, and then plan to
return monday.
15 everything good with you?
-dl
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(b)(6)
From: ' (b)(6) MAJ MNF-I SCJS Trip Planner b)(6

Dallas,
I noticed that Ms, Barber has been added to the list. Based on' her title, this makes her the Primary for the visit.
MA./ • •
Camp Victo ,Sa hdad, Iraq
DSN: •
VOIP:
Iraqna: •
NIPR: • •
SIPR:

under FOIA. DoD 5400.7R, "000 Freedom of Information Act Program". 000 Directive 5230.9.
"Clearance of 000 Information for Public Release". and 000 Instruction 5230.29. "Security and
From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA [mailto:Dallas.Lawrence@rmDII

s e n ~ e r04, 200S 4:38 PM
To: rmlm. . . . MAl MNF-I 50S Trip Planner
final list:
MILITARY ANALYSTS
Gene~ry Meigs (USA, Retired) NBC
SSN~ ,
Major Gen.er.al.R.o.bert H. Scales, Jr. (USA, Retired) FOX
SSN: • • ,.
Major General Don Shepard (USAF, Retired) CNN
SSN: • •
Captain Chuck Nash (USN. Retired) FOX I Syndicated Radio

SSN: • • -
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Colonel John Garrett (USMC, Retired) FOX I Syndicated Radio
SSN: ~rr.i"n,(mS• •_
Lieutenant Colonel Robert L. Maginnis (USA, Retired) Syndicated Radio
SSN: (b)(6)
DOD ESCORTS
Depu~ecretary of Defense Allison Barber (Public Affairs)
SSN:~
Dallas Lawrence, Director of Public Liaison
SSN: (b)(6)
····-Original Message·····
From: rums VlAJ MNF-I SOS Trip Planner [maHto (b)(6)
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: [UJ OSD Media Visit (GEN Meigs + 13)
Classification: UNCLASSIFIEOIILlMDIS
Dallas,
Below is what is currently being worked/planned based on your arrival and departure into BIAP given to us by CFLCC
Air. I need the final list of who will be coming. This affects helos as well as locations for some of the events (due to
office sizes). Also, I need to know if everyone has a security clearance or not. Some of the information they will be
receiving is considered classified.
Day 1:
Working Lunch with MNF-I Strategic Effects
Office Call with US Ambassador
Introductory Briefs:
Campaign Plan/Assessments
MNF·I Ops Update Brief
Status of Insurgency
Reconstruction (Electricity/Oil)
Dinner with GEN Casey
Dav2:
Attend MNF·I Battle Update Assessment
MND-B Situation Update/Ops and Intel Brief
Office Call with Iraqi Prime Minister (Tentative)
Office Call with Iraqi Minister of Defense (Tentative)
Office Call with Iraqi Minister of Interior (Tentative)
Office Call with LTG John Vines
Attend MNC-I Battle Update Assessment
Dinner with LTG Martin Dempsey
Visit IA and IP Training Sites
Please call me if you have any questions.
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Major (b)(6)
MAJ (b)(6)
Camp. V' t B • hd d, Iraq
DSN: (b)(2)
VOIP
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Iraqna: ~~n~lirIJ"~~
NIPR: (b)(6)
SIPR:
Classification: UNCLASSIFJEOIIUMOIS
under FOIA. 000 5400.7R, "000 Freedom of Information Act Program", DoD Directive 5230.9,
From: Lawrence, Dallas, OA5D-PA [mallto:Dallas.Lawrence~
To: Nbfld MAl MNF-I 50S Trip Planner
Major,
I was hoping to chat with you today to get an idea of the lay down for our time in iraq prior to our departure tomorrow
morning. Please let me know a goOd time to call. Thanks for everything.
dl
Dallas B. Lawrence
W) • •
From:. • MAl MNF·I 50S Trip Planner [mailto (b)(6)
sent: Monday, October 03,20055:41 AM
To: dallas.lawrence@lMnti
SUbject: (U] OSD Media Visit (GEN Meigs + 13)
Mr. Lawrence,
I have been assigned as the trip planer to coordinate this visit. I have received information from LT .(b)(6)
NY TIMES 7036
my boss, regarding the visit, but don't see any detailed information that lays out the grouPS arrival and departure
time to Iraq. This information is needed in order to ensure we are able to plan a visit that provides you with the
information you need and meets the intent of the visit.
Please contact me with the information at the email address or telephone numbers listed below.
Very Respectfully,
MAJ • •
SCJS. MNF-I Command Group
DSN: (b)(2)
VOIP:
Iraqna J"'n~~ _
NIPR: (b)(6)
SIPR:
"Don't get stuck on Stupid/"

If this e-mail is marked FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY it may be exempt from mandatory
disclosure under FOIA. 000 5400.7R, "000 Freedom of Information Act Program", 000
Directive 5230.9, "Clearance of 000 Information for Public Release", and 000 Instruction
5230.29, "Security and Policy Review of 000 Information for Public Release" apply.
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(b)(6)
From: . ~MAJ CFLCC/3A-FWD-CMD GRP (b)(6)
Sent: ~r 03,20051 :03 PM
Caveats: NONE
Is it possible to send me bio's on these folks? CG wants a "read-a-head: on this team.
Thanks
Majo (b)(6)
From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD~PA [mailto:Dallas.Lawrence@m.
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 5:34 PM
To: (b)(6)
Cc:
Subject: Manifest for DoD Analyst DV trip
This is our current traveling party, we may add 1-2 additional folks by cob today, but no more.
All will be arriving in on British Air Flight 157 from London, landing in Kuwait on Thursday, October 6, at 555 am. All will
have a valid US Passport, no Visa. (my understanding is that these are issued on site). Thank you.
MILITARY ANALYSTS
General Montgomery Meigs (USA, Retired) NBC
SSN :rLt1Tlri
Major General Robert H. Scales, Jr. (USA, Retired) FOX
SSN:rnm~!I_ . _
SSN :rm. Im._._

Major General Don Shepard (USAF, Retired) CNN
Captain Chuck Nash (USN, Retired) FOX I Syndicated Radio

SSN: • •
Colonel John Garrett (USMC, Retired) FOX I Syndicated Radio

SSN:' •
Lieutenant Colonel Robert L. Maginnis (USA, Retired) Syndicated Radio
SSN: (b)(6)
DOD ESCORTS
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Deput~cretary of Defense Allison Barber (Public Affairs)

SSN:~
Dallas Lawrence, Director of Public Liaison
SSN: • •
Classification: UNCLASSI FI ED
Caveats: NONE
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(b)(6)
From: (b)(6) CIV, OASD,PA

Sent: Mondi' October 03, 20056:59 AM
To: rmmr CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: ROLE REVERSAL (BABBIN)
Role Reversal
By Jed Babbin
Published 10/3/2005 12:08:16 AM
The anti-war, anti-Bush MSM both here and abroad have reached a state of near
rapture. The president's problems, Tom Delay's indictment, the diminishing support
for the war and the growing (and healthy) fight between fiscal conservatives and big
government Republicans has enthused them like nothing since the last helo lifted off
from the American embassy in Saigon. They're ready to declare conservatism over.
But, like the Washington Post's reports that Rep. Mike Pence's tloperation offset" was
dead, they will be proven wrong if actions take the place of speeches.
A little-noticed role reversal has occurred in American politics. The MSM are
performing the service that Heritage, AEI, Cato, and the Hoover Institution provide for
conservatives. The media have filled the political and intellectual vacuum that left the
Oems entirely bereft of ideas, able to say nothing other than "no." Today the opposition
party to the Republicans is not the Oems but the mainstream media itself. They write,
they speak, and the Oems follow.
Sometimes it's so obvious it's comical. Before the Roberts confirmation hearings, the
CBS News website ran a column by Andrew Cohen that set forth four questions for
Judge Roberts. The New York Times went CBS one better on September 12, with five
questions for Roberts posed by each of five columnists. If you watched some of the
hearings and compared, as I did, the questions asked by Sens. Schumer, Feinstein,
. Leahy and Biden from the scripts written for them by CBS and the NYT, you'd have
concluded that the senators and staffers cribbed them pretty much word ·for word.
Need more proof?
Following the president's New Orleans speech, David Brooks, the NYT's token
conservative, wrote on September 18 that the rebuilding of the south would be a
"Bush ian laboratory," for testing school vouchers and social engineering ideas such as
the "urban homesteading" proposal the president made. The next day Vichy John
Kerry said in a speech that, "The plan they're designing for the Gulf Coast turns the
region into a vast laboratory for right wing ideological experiments. They're already
talking about private school vouchers, abandonment of environmental regulations,
abolition of wage standards, subsidies for big industries..." If you want more, just look.
It's all around. The MSM is busying itself developing campaign themes for the Oems to
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use next year: incompetence, cronyism, and corruption.
In the UK, this is practiced openly by the Economist. In its 'lead editorial this week, it
admits to "have all sorts of ideological disagreements with Mr. Bush:' It then goes on
to say that "our main problem with his administration has increasingly become
incompetence." It accuses Mr. Bush of cronyism and states, as examples, both former
FEMA chief Michael Brown and Defense Secretary Rumsfeld. (Confluence of
incompetents with political enemies is not even clever.) It says the incompetence is
evidenced by the response to Katrina, and the "shambles overseas in Iraq and
Guantanamo Bay," and says Mr. Bush's opposition to an independent investigation
into what went wrong on Katrina is "heinous." The Economist hyperventilates, "A
thousand people have died and the tax payer faces a bill of up to $200 billion. If those
two things do not merit independent investigation, then what on earth does?" If you
listen to the Economist, NPR, and the rest, the only other thing that merits independent
investigation is the repeatedly disproved allegation that prisoner abuse -- at Gitmo, in
Iraq and Afghanistan, and everywhere else an American soldier takes a prisoner -- is a
Bush policy and a commonplace.
The drumbeat in the media about administration incompetence will be one of the
Oems' campaign themes in 2006. You can hear and see the American MSM testing it
on its unfocused focus group audiences. David Gregory, the absurdly biased NBC
White House correspondent, rehearsed it repeatedly on Chris Matthews' show
yesterday.
THERE'S ONLY ONE SOLUTION to this: leadership from the White House that takes
the initiative, acts decisively, and pushes a real conservative agenda. Bypassing the
media, talking directly to Americans and getting back to core conservative principles,
he can provide the leadership the nation, and the conservative movement, need and
deserve. The first step is the next Supreme Court nominee.
This week the president will nominate someone to replace Sandra Day O'Connor. The
president should -- and I believe will -- come up with someone who is ,conservative to
the core. The Oems, after reading the talking points they get from the NYT and CBS,
will go bonkers. Presidential aspirants, such as Biden, Hillary, and Evan Bayh, and
every Blue senator representing a Red State are under the most extreme pressure to
accede to the demands of the hyperlibs. The presidential wannabes know they can't
vote for any nominee or even fail to join in a filibuster against anyone with a drop of
conservative blood in their veins and still have any prayer of being nominated by the
MSM Party. Those who want to hold onto their current jobs know their political futures
ride on how the home folks feel about social issues.
The president knows he has an opportunity to reshape the court for years or decades
to come. That is why he should discriminate among the candidates on one principal
basis: age. Chief Justice Roberts is a young 50. Clarence Thomas is not all that much
older. Antonin Scalia, though older, is in very good health. If another young
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conservative can be added to the court, the Roberts Court could coalesce around the
fourth. A conservative court will produce results that solidify ~he conservative base like
nothing else can.
CHARGES OF INCOMPETENCE AND CRONYISM stuck to FEMA's famously

unqualified Michael Brown, who managed to look bad even in comparison to Kathleen
Blanco and Ray Nagin. You'd think -- incorrectly -- that a lesson had been learned.
Even Republican senators are questioning the nomination of Julie Myers -- whose only
law enforcement experience is two years as a federal prosecutor -- to head the U.S.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency. ICE, second only to the FBI, is the
biggest federal law enforcement agency. Ms. Myers may well be a rising star (she
does, after all, come from the best of stock: she's the niece of retired Joint Chiefs
Chairman Gen. Richard Myers) but she ain't the kind of gunfight-winning border
protection expert for that job. Dubya can put the cronyism and incompetence charge to
rest if, from this moment on, he insists that his administration be comprised only of
hard cases that can win the war and achieve conservative domestic goals. Every
nomination should be announced with a parade of credentials. Not just a good
resume, but hard-won experience is the key criterion.
Last, and certainly not least, the president needs to take two steps to take the debate
on Iraq back from the media. First, let's get back to prosecuting the war. If you saw
Meet the Press yesterday, you saw former Clinton adviser Congo Rahm Emanuel duck
the war issue. Emanuel implied that we should withdraw from Iraq if the Iraqis don't do
better, qUickly, we should withdraw. When Tim Russert asked specifically if Emanuel
was saying we should withdraw from Iraq, he refused to answer. The Oems have no
war policy other than withdrawal and surrender. Actions and results, not speeches, are
what will win the real war as well as the one with the MSM party.
Second, Karen Hughes -- the president's ambassador for public diplomacy --.is
targeting the wrong adversary in trying to improve our" image" in the Middle East. She
should focus her effort not on the Arab governments but the Arab media. Last week,
the Egyptian government daily, AI-Ahram, published a column by one Mustafa Sami,
who -- plagiarizing Dick Durbin's talking points -- said Gitmo was like the Nazi death
camps. He wrote: flOuring the past four years, 10% of the Guantanamo prisoners have
committed suicide, which is the highest suicide rate among prisoners anywhere in the
world!" Ms. Hughes should blast AI-Ahram with the facts. No detainee -- as in zero,
zip, zilch -- has died in custody at Gitmo. According to the Pentagon, 22 detainees
have made 35 suicide attempts at Gitmo since 2002, and all have been saved from
themselves.
The MSM Party was weakened last year not just by Gunga Dan's forged mem'os, but
also in every instance its political agenda was laid bare. The MSM is facing a political
reckoning it has never faced before. Conservative leaders who recognize the role
reversal between the media and the Oems can help bring this about. Let's get on with
it. .
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TAS contributing editor Jed Babbin is the author of Inside the Asylum: Why the UN 'and Old Europe Are Worse Than You
Think (Regnery, 2004),
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Researcher
OSD Speechwriters Group
The Pentagon RoomrmwlW
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Fax
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From: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA [allison.barber~

Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 7:09 PM
To: Oi Rita, Larry, CIV, OSO; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASO-PA
Subject: FW: [UJ RE: Senior Retired Military Analysts
hi there
looks like the folks in iraq changed their minds and now want us to come out later. seems
like we would want the analysts there before the elections.
do you want to weigh in on this???? We would probably need casey or abazaid to bless this.
thanks
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From: rmmJ •COL MNF- I SCJS
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To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD·PA
Cc: ij5ihi LTC MNF-I SCJS VOB Director of the Visitor Operatii Alston C Donald BG
MNFI SRATEFF COMMS DIV Chief
SUbject: [U] RE: Senior Retired Military Analysts
Ms Barber,
Thank you for the note. I apologize for the delay, but we had to look at many aspects of
our ability to host this visit. Unfortunately, we are unable to accommodate the visit on
7-9 October and ask that they reschedule for a date as soon after 23 October as possible.
MNF-I believes that it is imperative to get these analysts to see Coalition Forces and
Iraqi Security Forces in the field, but the timing conflicts directly with our focus on
referendum security preparation and associated resource constraints. We support the
purpose and intent of the visit and look forward to working the agenga for the later
dates.
We look forward to working this visit after 23 October.
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From: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA [mailto:allison.barber@ijftUri
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 2:48 AM
To: ij~~ COL MNF-I SCJS
Cc: rmt: ': , • LTC MNF-I SCJS VOB Director of the Visitor
Operati; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
Subject:
Hello Colonel,
I understand LTC ~ has been working with my staff to coordinate an OSD delegation of
our most senior retired military analysts to your AOR in early October to offer this
active group of television, radio and print media analysts with a first hand update On the
progress being made in Iraq during the lead up to the October 15 election. OSD's goal is
to have these folks back in the US during the days immediately prior to the election to
gain maximum visibility for their visit during the heightened media .attention surrounding
the election.
I know that Dallas Lawrence has been in regular contact with your staff in laying out this
trip request on behalf of OSO. We had originally hoped to receive country clearance by
last Friday, as we are asking a very senior group of analysts to hold a week on their
schedule without confirmation. I understand this suspense date has since slipped until
today and that you plan to brief BG Lynch on the proposal this evening.
Please let me know what information. if any, I can help provide to secure clearance
approval as soon as possible.
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Our immediate concern is with making the travel arrangements which require the country
approval-- the commercial flights are very difficult to get into Kuwait.
Based on the previous trip with our analysts during the days leading up to the January
elections last year, we know that this delegation will afford the military leadership in
Iraq an unparalleled opportunity to update folks who will likely conduct hundreds of
follow on media interviews in the next few weeks with specific, and detailed stories of
success that are not currently breaking through to the media. Our current trip manifest
includes analysts for NBC, MSNBC, Fox News, CNN and CBS TV and CBS Radio.
I appreciate your help in processing this request.
Allison Barber
Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs
OSD Trip Manifest:
General Montgomery Meigs (USA, Retired) Major General Robert H. Scales, Jr. (USA, Retired)
Major General Don Shepard (USAF, Retired) Captain Chuck Nash (USN, Retired) Colonel Ken
Allard (USA, Retired) Colonel John Garrett (USMC, Retired) Dr. Jeff McCausland (Colonel,
USA, Retired) Lieutenant Colonel Gordon Cucullu (USA, Retired) Lieutenant Colonel Robert
L. Maginnis (USA, Retired) Command Sergeant Major Steven Greer (USA, Retired) OSD Staff:
Eric Ruff, Special Asst to the DEPSEC
Dallas Lawrence, Director of OSD Community Relations and Public Liaison
under FOIA. 000 5400.7R, "000 Freedom of Information Act Program", 000 Directive 5230.9,
"Clearance of DoD Information for Public Release", and DoD Instruction 5230.29, "Security
and Policy Review of 000 Information for Public Release" apply.
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Sent: Friday, September 23,200512:50 PM
To: tmcinerney@lbfld ;rmt=e,y nashct@~ Glenstrae77
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SUbJect: Interesting world view
This is worth tracking to see how it plays on the media battlefield.
Aliazeera.Net - Arab superheroes take to the air
This is not an unfair representation of the world view of too many there.
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From:' JedBabbin~
Sent: Friday, September 23, 20059:01 AM
SUbject: SECDEF China interview
Eric: In light of the success of yesterday's interviews, and the concerns you mentioned when we chatted briefly,
I'd like to re-focus my prospective interview with SECDEF on the aspects of what he learns on the trip to China.
If I can go on the trip, that would stilI be the ideal from my standpoint. If I'm not chosen to go, I'd like to meet
with him a few days after his return and talk about where he sees the path ahead, and how what he learned in
China affected his views.
Let's talk soon. I'm eager to determine schedules. My manuscript is due in November, but can surely be
delayed a few weeks if needed· to incorporate Mr. Rumsfeld's comments. Many thanks. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:06 PM
To: fUmS CWGT SAT'; Lawrence, Dallas, OA5D-PA
Cc: fh\fiU
Subject: RE:
they will have us flag ship carrier waiver on their orders.
From:tl5fGi CNGT SAT [mailto (b)(6)
Cc:N5fGt
Subject: RE:
Importance: High
Dallas,
A foreign carrier is not authorized out of the U.S. so we can't book SA. ...checking for a U.S. carrier out of U.S.
• From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA [mailto:Da"as.Lawrence~
Sent: Thu 9/22/2005 11:08 AM
To:N5flii ONGf SAT
Subject:
Here is our list! Thanks so much., these folks will be issued ITOs with thew waiver for non contract and non us flag
carrier. For the two osd staff, please make arrangements for business class.
We are looking to have all connect into london onto british airways flight number 157 departing at 10pm into Kuwait on
October 5 (it arrives the next morning at 550 am). I have noted, just for your records, after each name the state they
will be coming from, but for ou r purposes now, lets just hold a block for all 14 on the london to kuwait flight. All will be
returning from Kuwait on October 10 on SA flight number 156 departing kuwait at 8:00 am on Monday, October 10, So
i suppose we could book those 14 as well. .
We can probably also, for ease, reserve the total flight itinerary for all coming from DC (9 total). Their itinerary is pretty
solid and it looks like this:
Depart lAD, WED October 5, SA Flight 224 for London

Depart LHR for KWI, WED OctOber 5, SA Flight 157
Depart KWI for LHR, MON, October 10, SA flight 156

Depart LHR for lAD, MON October 10, SA flight 293
thanks!
TRAVELING PARTY
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From: NmGi
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CIV, OASD-PA
Sent: Wednesday, se,ember 21, 2005 5:03 PM
To: timid CIV, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
Cc: N5TGi CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: RE:
(b)(6) showed me on their web site that you can email questions about the Pentagon to him.
Hilarious.
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From: NMri av, OASD·PA
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 20054:48 PM
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA;NMri elV, OASD-PA
Cc: NMriW elV, OASD·PA
SUbject:
Dallas, per our conversation.
Ken Robinson's name seems familiar to me...
Phil - assume you saw in this morning's early bird.
T minus 4 and counting. Fire up the popcorn.
Best part:
Q: Has the Pentagon cooperated in any way?
A: We're not making a commercial for the Pentagon. We're making a drama for NBC. The Pentagon has no
editorial say. We don't talk to them. They don't talk to us.
Atlanta Journal-Constitution
September 20, 2005
Pg.3E
Expert Lends Cred To 'E-Ring'

By Rodney Ho
Benjamin Bratt may be the man in front of the camera in NBC's new Pentagon drama "E-Ring," but the man
behind the show is former military officer and CNN analyst Ken Robinson.
Robinson, a burly man with gentle eyes, said Bratt's irreverent character, Jim "J.T." Tisnewski, is not a
stand-in for him: ''It's really an amalgam of young officers
\
I've known over the years."
Nonetheless, Robinson's experience colors the entire show, which focuses on Bratt's brash U.S. Army Major
in the Green Berets. Robinson served 20 years in a variety of military roles and took part in clandestine
military operations for the Defense Intelligence Agency and the CIA. He helped extract spies and track down
enemies all over the world and spent several stints at the Pentagon.
After retirement, he developed terrorism exercises for the federal government. In 1999, he asked CNN to
participate in one them. The network declined, but later hired him to be a national security and terrorism
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consultant. Robinson soon became a regular presence, providing an insider's view on the Iraqi war and
terrorism issues. He also traveled with news crews to Iraq and Afghanistan.
But Hollywood beckoned. Last year, he left CNN to create "E-Ring," named after the outer ring ofthe
Pentagon where the big shots make the big decisions. His partner is uber-producer Jerry Bruckheimer
("CSI," "Without a Trace," "Amazing Race"), and his show debuts Wednesday at 9 p.m. in the cushy spot
between Martha Stewart's highly anticipated "Apprentice" and Bratt's old show, "Law & Order."
Robinson talked to the AJC last week about blending fact and fiction:'
Q: How did you come up with the idea for "E-Ring"?
A: I was flying a lot to and from Afghanistan and Iraq for CNN. Those are long flights. I was kind of
thinking through what would be an effective way to tell the story to the American people about how nations
go to war and why. It's complex. There's no black and white. It's a sea of gray. I wanted to show the chain of
command and the way missions are thought out and argued and debated within the building.
Q: "E-Ring" reminds me of "ER" in that some of the dialogue is packed with inside jargon.
A: When we pitched this, we said we would not dumb it down. We're talking in the lexicon of a military
professional doing his job. We want to give people that feeling that they're really there.
Q: But sometimes, the dialogue seems really casual, too.
A: America has this stereotype that these people are robots and everyone shouts 'Sir!" and stands at
attention. That's not how it works. These people have hearts. They bleed. They laugh. The only difference is
the stakes are higher.
Q: There are military customs.
A: That dynamic is there. But the Pentagon is a no-salute zone. A private can go by a four-star general and
not salute. There are so many officers around, privates' arms would be broken if they had to constantly
salute.
Q: Does the interior on the show look anything like the real thing?
A. Yes. It looks pretty boring. Big sweeping hallways in the A-Ring and the E-Ring. They were built to
scale.
Q: Have your buddies at the Pentagon who have seen the "E-Ring" pilot in advance been offended or
flattered?
A: I'd say neither. They thought we were fair and we showed a level of detail typIcal of a Bruckheimer show.
Q: Has the Pentagon cooperated in any way?
A: We're not making a commercial for the Pentagon. We're making a drama for NBC. The Pentagon has no
editorial say. We don't talk to them. They don't talk to us.
Q: In the revised pilot, Benjamin Bratt loses the wife and gets a girlfriend who works at the CIA
instead. Is the way the two of them trade information realistic or just a TV device?
A: In terms of relationships in D.C., it's an incestuous place where people marry among agencies all the
time. People come home and pillow talk. The girlfriend has the same level of clearance as Bratt's character.
Each is just seeking guidance from the other.
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Q: And why Dennis Hopper as Bratt's boss?

A:. He's a very accomplished method actor, very well read and politically astute. He required very little
education. His father had been in the OSS, the precursor to the CIA. So he came with an awareness about
the military.
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From:" MmM i CIV, OASD-PA
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 20054:36 PM
To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA;
M;\fGi CIV, OASD·PA
Subject: FW: WMET's "The Brookes Report" launches this Sunday at 2pm
one of our military analysts now has his own radio show on sunday afternoons .... fyi.
thanks
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Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 2:52 PM
To: liMa
SUbject: WMET I s "The (b)(6) launches this Sunday at 2pm
Starting this Sunday, September 18th, at 2 pm, I'll begin hosting The Brookes Report on
Washington's Talk Radio WMET 1160.
We'll go around the world in 60 minutes, with the latest news and op~n~on on foreign
affairs, national security and intelligence issues with the best of the policy, think tank
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Cc: tlMld SFC, OASD-PA
Eric,
Here are our proposed travel dates to Iraq, these may shift one day to the right depending
on CENTCOM:
Depart CONUS Thursday, October 5
Arrives Kuwait airport Friday, October 6 Depart Kuwait for Baghdad, Iraq, Friday October 7
All day briefings, site visits, Iraq, Saturday, October 8, Depart Iraq for Kuwait, Sunday,
October 9, depending on arrival time, head to airport or RON.
Depart Kuwait for CONUS, Monday, October 10 Arrive CONUS NO LATER THAN Monday evening,
October 10
Here is our final list of attendees. This may shift a bit, however each of these folks
has commited in theory to the outlines travel dates. OSD PA will issue invitation funded
travel order to pay the commercial air fare for these individuals to Kuwait, mil air from
there. WHS legal has approved the use of funds for this type of travel as it serves a
legitimate PA mission.
CONFIRMED INVITE LIST
Major General Don Shepard (USAF, Retired)
Dr. Jeff McCausland (Colonel, USA, Retired) **tentative**
OSD Staff:
Eric Ruff, Special Assistant to the DEPSEC
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From: • • CSM (Ret) • •

Sent: Wednesday. September 21, 2005 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Possible Iraq trip
Dallas, understand both points. If invited, I would certainly be honored to attend. Thanks for looking out for me!
Vir
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From: Lawrence, Dallas. OASD-PA
Sent: Wednesday, September 21,2005 12:26 PM
Subject: Possible Iraq trip
Folks,
There is the strong possibility for a military analyst trip to Iraq within the next 15 days. I have submitted country
clearance paperwork for a trip into Iraq to prOVide a very select group of our analysts with hands on briefings from the
ground. I would like to ask 2 things of those receiving this email:
1) Please do not discuss this trip prior to our departure, as this is again, due to the limited number of seats available,
not going to be widely invited.
2) Please email me back soonest if you are available, in concept, to depart for Kuwait from CONUS on or about
October 6. The possible time line being worked now looks something like this:
Arrive Kuwait Friday, October 6
Depart Kuwait for Baghdad, Iraq, Friday October 7.
All day briefings, site visits, Iraq, Saturday, October 8
Depart Iraq fori<uwait, Sunday. October 9
Depart Kuwait for CONUS, Monday, October 10
This timeline may shift one or two days to the right, but not much farther. Our goal is to get you in and out during the
lead up to the elections to assist in your commentary during the hi tempo media coverage that should coincide with the
October 15th elections.
The current concept calls for OSD PA to issue funded invitational travel orders to cover your airfare to Kuwait, where
we will then transfer to MILAIR. This trip is still in the concept phase, however, I anticipate things coming together
rather quickly.
Thanks for your quick response, and I will be in touch daily with progress as we move forward. All must have an up to
date passport for this trip.
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Just cleared my calendar for those days. I'm good to go.

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Subject: FIN: Possible Iraq trip
resend...
Folks,
There is the strong possibility for a military analyst trip to Iraq within the next 15 days. I have submitted country clearance
paperwork for a trip into Iraq to provide a very select group of our analysts with hands on briefings from the ground. I
would like to ask 2 things of those receiving this email:
1) Please do not discuss this trip prior to our departure, as this is again, due to the limited number of seats available, not
going to be widely invited.
2) Please email me back soonest if you are available, in concept, to depart for Kuwait from CONUS on or about October 6.
The possible timeline being worked now looks something like this:
Arrive Kuwait Friday, October 6

Depart Kuwait for Baghdad, Iraq, Friday October 7.
All day briefings, site visits, Iraq, Saturday, October 8
Depart Iraq for Kuwait, Sunday, October 9
Depart Kuwait for CONUS, Monday, October 10
This timeline may shift one or two days to the right, but not much farther. Our goal is to get you in and out during the lead
up to the elections to assist in your commentary during the hi tempo media coverage that should coincide with the October
15th elections.
The current concept calls for OSD PA to issue funded invitational travel orders to cover your airfare to Kuwait, where we
will then transfer to MILAtR. This trip is still in the concept phase, however, I anticipate things coming together rather
quickly.
Thanks for your quick response, and I will be in touch daily with progress as we move forward. All must have an up to date
passport for this trip.
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From: rmtld CIV. OASD-PA

Sent: Wednesday. September 21, 2005 8:20 AM
To: Ruff. Eric, SES, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: Mil Analysts visit 9
mcinerney is fox. chuck nash is fox. cnn is ralston, shepperd, brookes, nardotti.
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 7:28 AM
To: U5tlH crv, OASD-PA
Subject: Re: Mil Analysts visit 9
Please look the cnn folks up. Mcinerney is coo, I believe. Also, which nash? Thanks.
From: U5iM CIV, OASD-PA 4bll5 >
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA c::Eric.Ruff@ijSf,diI>
Sent: Tue Sep 20 21:54:47 2005
Fox is~, nash, vallely .... Cnn? I don't know off the top of my head ...
From: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA <Eric.Ruff®[dfl~
To: riMS crv OASD- PA <fJstl§
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Sent: Tue Sep 20 19:42:00 2005
Who are the primary analysts for fox. And cnn? Thanks.
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To: Ruff. Eric, SES, OASD-PA <Eric.Ruff@U5fhiWl>
Sent: Tue Sep 2.0 16:37:18 2005
Subject: Fw: Mil Analysts visit 9
Just got this from gitmo ....
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Just cleared the date we discussed with the CoS. There is a slightly greater
than normal chance we may need to reschedule due to operations, but for now
it's a good date.
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JTF-GTMO Joint Visitors Bureau

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From: mmJI LTcMmmW (USA) rr.~ilm~rllmn• • • • •
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 7:59 fJJJI
Subject: RE: Theater and Country Clearance
Who is the lead traveler?
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From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA [mailto:Dallas.Lawrence@_
Sent: Tuesday, September 20,2005 11:10 AM
To:MMmlI LTC~Mld (USA)'
Subject: RE: Theater'and Country Clearance
I was hoping for an update on our country clearance message for an osd military analyst trip to iraq around the 7th of
October, can you help me find out where this is and how I can shake out an approval by cob tomorrow? thanks!
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Sent: Tuesday, August 23,2005 11:23 AM
To: 'dallas.lawrence@fjMmW
Subject: Theater and Country Clearance
Mr. Lawrence - Per our conversation this morning, the following is the information for preparing
your request for theater and country clearance. If you have any questions. please contact me.
Attached please find our Sample document to help you format your request for Country and Theater clearance. Save
the document on your computer, follow the instructions in "red", delete the countries and other data that doesn't
apply, enter the names and info of all travelers, a clear itinerary and well-defined purpose. Next, release the message
via DMS or AMHS so that the US Embassies receive Y9ur request for Country Clearance. If you are short on time, you
can email the message to us at. • so that we can process the theater clearance.
Spedfic country information can be found on the Foreign Clearance Guide web site at www.fcg.pentagon.mil
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From:' Lawrence, Dallas OASD-PA

Sent: Tuesday, Septem'ber 20,20054:23 PM
To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD
PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
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CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: RE:
the link went live this afternoon and an email was sent to all civilian and retired
military analysts / think tankers inviting them to watch the briefing.
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 2:06 PM
To: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD
PA
cc:Mftfiri AFIS-HQ/AFRTS-D; (b)(6) AFIS-HQ/NEWSi Lawrence, Dallas,
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Subject: Re:
We will have tthe link to the briefing on the pentagon channel sent out to all of our
groups. It is much faster and cost effective--compared to burning dvds like last week.
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To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA <Eric.Ruff~5th§"'>; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA
<Allison.Barber~1U~>; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA <Bryan.Whitman®MfifiAil>
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Subject:
Let's be sure to really get the rumsfeld / myers brief around as we did with the two
colonels last week. Can we do a video link email to the hill, colimnists, etc? Also,
let's get the as delivered print version out on our lists today. We'll need to work hard
to penetrate hurricane news.
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Subject: RE: [Ul RE: Radio Referrals
thanks -- thanks great
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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 5:58 AM
To: Bryan Whitman
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Subject: [L1] RE: Radio Referrals
Mr Whitman - BG Alston can do these. Can't do it today for the Ned Babbin opportunity. It will have to be Friday. If that
o.k. If so, we'll get in touch with both shows and schedule them. vir Dewey
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Subject: RE: Radio Referrals
I will need to find other guests if you are unable to do these, so please get back to us as soon
as possible.
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SUbject: Radio Referrals
Sir,
On the call this morning' Mr. Whitman mentioned he had a couple of radio opportunities to pass to MNF-I for
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consideration. The first is with the Mark Larson Show in San Diego, News Radio 6000AM KOGO. Larson is traveling this
week with Gen. Ablzald, and Jed Babbin is filling in on Tuesday and Friday of this week. The show airs 3-6 pm EDT, and
any involvement could be taped. Contact info is at http://www.marklarson.com/.
Jed Babbin is one of the analysts we routinely include in our discussions, and normally writes for National Review.and
National Review Online.
The other is the J.D. Balart show on WMET, Washington, D.C., 1160 AM. He broadcasts 12-12 pm EDT daily, and contact
information can be found at http://wmet1l60.com/artman/publish/jdbalart.shtml. Believe this could be taped as well.
Mr. Whitman indicated that anyone from MG Lynch level and below would be appropriate for these opportunities. Friendly
venues for the most part.
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SUbject: Casey miitary analyst transcript from Friday
Attachments: 09-16-05 Casey. doc
~ here's the transcript of the military analyst conference call with Gen, Casey on Friday, Sept. 16.
Cc for others who might find this useful.
As you know, the call was on the record.
09-16-05
casey.doc (46 KB)
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Transcript
Gen. George W. Casey Jr., commanding general, Multi-National Force -Iraq,
conference call with military analysts
Location: Gen. Casey in Iraq
Hosts: OSD-PA Dallas Lawrence_
Friday, Sept. 16,2005
Transcriber:_
ON THE RECORD
Lawrence: Good afternoon, folks. Again, this is Dallas Lawrence at the Pentagon. Thank
you so much for joining us today. We have - we are honored to have Gen. George Casey
calling in from Iraq, commander of U.S. forces. The general has agreed to speak on the
record for this call, unless otherwise noted if he decides to step off the record for a
particular question.
At this point, general, I would like to tum it over to you if you would like to make an
opening statement, sir, or give an update, and then open for questions. Sir, the show is
yours.
Casey: OK. Great. Can you hear me OK?
Voice: Yes.
Casey: You can. OK, good. Let me just say a couple minutes about what we have going
on here. Basically we are wrapping up what has been an extremely successful tactical
operation out in Tal Afar. It's not over yet. They have a few more days of cleaning up to
do. But we've really met our objectives already. And as I said, extremely successful
tactical operation.
But let me try to put it in context for you a little bit. Since April we have been working to
restore Iraqi control to that Syrian border. And we're moving - adjusting combat power,
partnering with Iraqi Security Forces, and basically setting the conditions so that before
the elections the Iraqis are able to exercise some level of control over that Syrian border,
which I think most of you know has been very, very porous, and it is the primary means
for the foreign fighters and suicide bombers to infiltrate into Iraq.
As I said, there has been a concerted effort. We put another brigade up in that area. You
may be familiar with the fact that Mosul was an economy-of-force area for some time.
Had difficulties there last fall. And this spring we put another brigade up there so instead
ofjust having one brigade in the whole north - northwestern Iraq and the Ninevah
province, we had two.
The other piece ofthis is those two brigades are partnering with two Iraqi divisions. And
also this spring the Third Iraqi Army Division, which is stationed in that area, they
completed their training and deployed operationally into towns along the border. They
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have been working together - the 3 rd Armored Cavalry Regiment and the Third Iraqi
Army Division -- with the local border guard forces to restore Iraqi control around the
Tal Afar area.
Tal Afar is one of two major transit zones for foreign fighters coming into Iraq. It's the
northernmost. The other one is down the Euphrates Valley, and I'll talk a little bit about
that at the end.
This brigade and this Iraqi division have been working for two months on the plan to
finally restore Iraqi control to Tal Afar. A series of planning exercises, rehearsals-- it was
quite impressive.
And I'll tell you, I just - we brought the prime minister up there on Monday. In Iraq
we've made progress little steps at a time. We just make a lot of them, and we're pretty
relentless about it. You don't often get the chance to see what happens at the culmination
of all those little steps.
As I was sitting here off to the side as the chief of staff of the Iraqi division was briefing
his prime minister, who was sitting next to the division commander and surrounded by
the division staff, about a three brigade operation into Tal Afar, and doing a very credible
job about it, I thought to myself, 'This is amazing.' A year ago, this division didn't even
exist.
So, the operation began about the loth of September. And this was a specific operation
into the center of town. They worked - they worked together very closely here to reduce
the other areas of the town. And right - the heart of this sanctuary area they had in the
center of Tal Afar was about a 600 by 800 meter section ofthe old city. And they were
prepared for (inaudible), buildings rigged for demolition, it looked like a pretty tough
fight.
But as they shaped the battle, it appears they surprised some of them, and had a great
effect on them prior to the start of the assault into the (inaudible) area. As a result, and as
a result of folks not standing and fighting, casualties were very low.
I think you've seen the results. We've probably killed or captured about 500 people as a
result of the operation. We think that's probably 75 to 80 percent of what we thought was
in there.
The other piece about - of this that sometimes gets lost is the Iraqi government was very
much involved in setting the conditions for this success. They were the ones that went to
Tal Afar and brokered an agreement with all of the sheiks - Shi'a, Sunni, Turkomen - all
of the different groups, and over a period of time got a statement from the sheiks, signed
by all of them saying we've had enough, we ask the military to come in and clean the
terrorists and foreign fighters out of Tal Afar.
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As you can imagine, that had a huge impact on what we had to'deal with respect to the
population of the city. It also (worked?) the humanitarian assistance. Set up the camps,
moved humanitarian supplies around. There was not a humanitarian crisis by any stretch
of the imagination (inaudible, audio problems) 20,000 people left the area with most
going to stay with friends and relatives in the vicinity and some actually in a small tent
city. (inaudible). The Iraqi government also put out $50 million for compensation and
reconstruction ... (inaudible)
Lawrence: Folks, if I could ask everyone to please put their phones on mute, so we could
hear the general clearly. For those on cell phones outside, if you could please put your
phone on mute. Thank you. Sorry general.
Casey: OK. I'll skip, I think you've got the tactical data, but let me just - what do they
have to do now to make this a lasting success? With us and the Iraqi government working
together the troops will continue to disarm the neighborhoods and clear the city and the
Iraqi government is working on the political reconciliation to keep all the sheiks together
to reconstitute the local government, to reconstitute the police force (inaudible) ... to begin
reconstruction all throughout the town. All this is focused on giving the people Tal Afar
the opportunity to participate in the 15 October referendum and the January elections.
So let me stop there. I'd just say again, this is one part of an overall campaign to restore
the Iraqi control to the border. The other part is going to take place here over the next
month or so here along the Euphrates River Valley which is the second major transit
zone. Obviously what we're looking to do is stop the flow of foreign fighters and suicide
bombers into Iraq down their two major routes.
I think I will stop there and take your questions.
Voice: Questions?
Maginnis: Yeah, general, Bob Maginnis. Question on Syrians. Clearly with the success in
the north and now the emphasis on the Euphrates Valley, are the Syrians cooperating any
more than they have in the last couple of months?
Casey: I don't see it. And I hear - you know, there's intel reports that we get that say they
are picking up foreign fighters in, you know, in transit. But I have seen no travel
restrictions on picking people up at the airport in Damascus, and while I have heard
rumors about more forces on the border we certainly haven't seen any noticeable action
there along the border that would indicate they are getting really serious about this.
Lawrence: Any more questions for the general?
Babbin: General, Jed Babbin. Can you tell us about that second area of concern where the
bad guys are coming in and out? Also, I don't know if you would find it of use, but it
might be helpful to you guys if a couple of us got over there before 15 October, took a
look around? What do you think?
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Casey: Push that with Larry. We are always happy to have folks come over and run you
around. You know, when you get out there to these divisions and talk to these brigade
and battalion commanders, some of them you have just seen on TV, you really get a
sense of what they are accomplishing.
And I must say, I just came back from a week's leave a few weeks ago. And you get a
much different picture about what's going on here than you get from on the ground here.
The other corridor - Euphrates Valley. We've already begun some operations out in that
area. But as we've watched it, they're taking advantage of an area out there where it's
very difficult for the Iraqis to get border guards in and to sustain them and everything.
And it's right around - it's right on the Euphrates River. And they had been coming north
of the Euphrates River and then crossing over, and we basicaHy built another base out
there and taken over control of the major bridge across the Euphrates out west, and
destroyed the other two. So now if you want to get across the Euphrates River out west
from the north you have to walk. And we'll be doing operations out there to continue to
mop that area up and put Iraqi security forces out there and build a base for them so that
they can continue to operate that.
South of the Euphrates River is still a challenge, and we'll work our way through that. I
don't want to -- it's future ops, so I don't want to give much more than that. But what you
see happening is they come across and they go down through a series of towns to a place
called Haditha, which is where the big dam is, and from there they either go north into
Ba'ji (?) which is right in the center of Sunni Triangle, or south into Baghdad. And I
suspect we'll control that note here before too long. Like I said, our main focus here is to
put the Iraqis back on that border to allow them to reestablish control and to disrupt and
stop the flow of foreign fighters and suicide bombers into Baghdad.
We've been working this for a bit. And just so .you know, the number of suicide bombers
has gone down five months in a row; the number of car bombs has gone down four
months in a row - actually it's about half -last month it was about half of what it was
both of those about half of what they were in April when there was a big spike.
And obviously, we had a big - we had a spike yesterday - about 14 of them - I'm sorry,
day before yesterday - about 14 of them around the country; we had I think four
yesterday and one today. So, they don't appear to be able to sustain the rates that they
were sustaining in the April-May timeframe.
But it's been a tough fight. I mean, these guys, we've been saying all along these guys are
going to contest the political process. Zarqawi declared war on the political process
(inaudible - then he?) the other day declared war on the Shi'a. And I think we're going to
find that that bomb attack on the laborers on the 14 th and the declaration of war against
the Shi'a may have been a huge mistake on Zarqawi's part. And we're watching that very
closely. The Iraqis are speaking out very strongly against those attacks and calling for
unity.
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Nardotti: General, this is Mike Nardotti. You mentioned the estimates on the number of
enemy killed. Can you say whether you're taking many captives in any numbers? And
can you say basically what you're doing with them - are they being turned over to the
Iraqis? Are you keeping them in custody? Any moving any of them out of the country?
Casey: No. We uh - I think about of that I said 500, around 150 are estimated killed and
the rest are detainees, and they're all being processed as you nonnally process the folks
interrogate them, and they'll be moved into our detention system here. Some of them may
- will be screened locally and they're examining whether they want to work a small
amnesty program there with the local sheiks with some guarantees that they'll keep these
guys under control. But most of the folks will be processed into our system.
Voice: Just a follow up. When you have operations with this kind of degree of success,
do you see anything in the way of defections from the foreign fighters in any numbers,
following the success?
Casey: No, we haven't yet. And what these guys - foreign fighters, you know, they are a
relatively small component number wise of this group. I mean, I think, probably less - we
estimated about less than 20 percent of the people we - the bad guys that were in Tal
Afar were foreign fighters. But they're in charge - they're the cancer at the center of this
thing. And they either, they either fight and die, or they run away to fight another day.
And some of these guys probably did slip away. We picked up about 13 leaders - not all
of them foreign fighters - that had slipped out and were in other towns around there, so
they had a cordon around it and they've been policing these guys up.
But I don't - so far we have not seen defections by the foreign fighters, and I don't
expect that we'll see that. What we do see is this large mass, and if I could just briefly
describe the insurgency for you. On the one end you have Saddamists and that's a
relatively small group. On the other end you have the foreign fighters and the Iraqis that
are supporting them - the Islamic extremists. Those guys are the - the second group are
the biggest threat to us. In the center, you have this large group of disaffected Iraqis, most
of them Sunni. And those are the folks that we can influence through the political process
and those are the folks that (tape skips) some of them will provide information, most of
them will just stop fighting and go home after they get dissatisfied with the political
process and the prospects for economic development.
Babbin: General, Jed Babbin again. Can you give us a status of what our old friend
Muqtada al Sadr and his bunch are doing? If Zarqawi is trying to stir people up, you
know, what happens if they knock off a couple of prominent Shi'a clergy?
Casey: Yes. And there is no doubt that he will try. Muqtada Sadr has been sticking with
the political process. And he can, he's got - we think maybe over 3,000 folks that he can
put on the street in about 24 hours all around the country. And that threat always exists.
But he appears to be quite committed to the political process. The last little flare up he
had wasn't with us, it was between the (seery? (ph) folks and then down in Najaftoward
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the end of August. And then he and Hakim(sp) (inaudible) al Hakim got together quickly
and sorted out and they clamped down on them. He is someone we just have to watch all
the time. Right now, he's achieving his aims through the political process, and that's a
good thing for us.
Babbin: Thank you.
Greer: Hey sir, Steve Greer. Hey, you mentioned the meeting between the Iraqi
government and the sheiks in the Tal Afar region before we actually went in. Has there
been any instances of similar activity between the government and other sheiks in other
regions?
Casey: Uh, yeah. Both governments - both the Allawi government and this government
- is in fairly constant interaction with the sheiks. In this government it's particularly the
minister of defense is particularly active. As many of you know, he's a Sunni. He's from
the Anbar area, and he meets with the sheiks constantly. And we're - what's really
interesting to me (now?) having watched the last election and watching this political
process here is the Sunnis are not going to be denied participation in the political process
this year. I should say not deny themselves. And they are coming forward, and through
the minister we are starting to get much better interaction with the sheiks and the tribes
out in the Anbar area, which is going to be important to us as we work the Euphrates
Valley. But they interact with these folks all the time.
Maginnis: Sir, Bob Maginnis again. With regard to Iran, we've heard in the last couple
months about some weapons coming in from Iran that looked as if they were fairly
sophisticated in tenns of machine shop type of things. Has then been a change in any of
the flow in terms of weapons, and support, intelligence operations in Iraq that may have
originated from Iran?
Casey: Not significantly. And what we see, or what we do find, or what we are, you
know, are made aware of is relatively small. The primary support to the terrorists and
foreign fighters, as r'said, comes through Syria and is primarily true that via (?) Tal Afar,
Mosul route through the Euphrates Valley. And Syria is where their support is coming
from.
The other we do get from Iran is small numbers of transits from Afghanistan into Iraq,
but not big numbers.
Franconia: General, Rick Franconia. Could you give us some words on the capabilities of
the Iraqi forces right now?
Casey: Yes. They're doing - they're getting better every day. And as I said, it was quite
heartening to sit there and listen to that general brief the prime minister and then see the
Iraqi soldiers out working with ours. I think you probably know back in May we started a
readiness reporting system on the Iraqi army that we did with our transition team that are
out there with them. That has transitioned to ajoint report, prepared by the Iraqi
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commander and the mid-team commander that's reviewed by all the Iraqis. We have a
fully capable category, and that when they are able to build completely by themselves,
without any support from us. And I think you all know that's going to take a long time
before the vast majority ofthe Iraqi anny gets to that category.
We have two other categories where they - in both of these categories they are out there
fighting with us every day, with their transition teams and our (Enablers?). And about 80,
oh I'd say 80 percent of the units fall in those latter two categories. Eighty percent of the
Iraqi units - 80-plus percent of the Iraqi units are out there operating with us every day.
And they are at varying levels of readiness, and Qur teams are working with them daily to
improve their readiness. They are on a train, fight, train, fight. So they train, go out on
missions for a while, come back, do an after-action review, do some more training and
take some leave and go out and go back on mission.
So, you know, it will, it will take more time, but their capabilities get better every day.
We have about, I think we have about nine of those battalions actually are operating
independently in their own battle space with our support still, so that's a good thing as
well. It's just going to, it's just going to keep getting better over the next 18 months or so.
Lawrence: Any additional questions for the general? Any additional questions? General,
thank you very much for your time today, sir.
Casey: Hey, let me just say that you'd be proud of your sons and daughters out here.
They are just doing an absolutely magnificent job. And, frankly, I didn't say this, but the
casualties on this operation - both Iraqi and ours - was very low, and that is a credit to
the absolute professionalism of the American military. Well thank you all very much.
Thanks for what you do back there.
Voices: Thank you.
Lawrence: Gentlemen, as a reminder, this call was on the record, so please feel free to
use it as you see fit in the days ahead. Thanks so much for calling in today.
Voices: Thanks Dallas.
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Sent: Monday. September 19 20058:00 AM
To: tmcinemey@rm~ paulvallel aShct~; Glenstrae77
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Subject: Reconstruction Redux - Today's pectator
We're going to spend enonnous amounts rebuilding the south. Which means we can't let the banana republicans
of Louisiana let the good times roll on a road of federal dollars. .
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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Sent: Friday, se;ember 16, 20051:36 PM
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SubJect: Re: Conference call TODAY
Guys, super conf call. ..appreciate your efforts and the General's. Have a great weekend.
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Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 9:27 AM
SUbject: Conference call TODAY
MEMORANDUM

Date: Friday, September 16,2005
We invite you to participate in a conference call, TODAY, September 16,2005 from 12:30-1:15 pm.
General George Casey, USA, Commander of U.S. Forces in Iraq will brief you on current operations, including
Operation Restore Rights in Tal Afar. Your host for this call will be Dallas Lawrence.
To participate in this conference call, please dial (b)(2) or (b)(2) and ask the operator to
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Sent: Friday, September 16, 20059:48 AM
To: Smith, Dorrance, CIV, OSO; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
SUbject: RE: Lynch Briefing
Trying to give it some lift to today by having Gen Casey talk to Military Analyst and to Time
Magazine which is doing a "major" piece on this operation. Additionally, I will be highlighting
this transcript as well as the McMaster brief with the rest of our media today -- while they are
somewhat interested they are not getting the space or the bandwidth given the ongoing
obsession with Hurricane Katrina.
From: Smith, Dorrance, CIV, OSD

To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
Subject: Lynch Briefing
There some really good stuff in here.
Only say one soundbite of Fox last night. And one quote in the Washington Post.
LA Times did a whole piece today on Zarqawi and had nothing from this briefing.
Any ideas on how we can get this story out? « File: MG lynch Transcript 09-15-05.JT1.doc »
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MEMORANDUM

Date: Friday, September 16, 2005
We invite you to participate in a conference call, TODAY, September 16,2005 from 12:30~1:15 pm.
General George Casey, USA, Commander of U.S. Forces in Iraq will brief you on current operations, including
Operation Restore Rights in Tal Afar. Your host for this cal! will be Dallas Lawrence. .
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Sent: Thursday, September 15, 20052:10 PM
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD
OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA
SUbject: RE: Briefings
probably ought to start sending the transcripts out on a regular basis, no?
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; DI Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA; Barber, Allison,
aV,OASD-PA
SUbject: Briefings
I thought you'd ali like to know, this has been very well received by our analysts. three have emailed back since I sent
the email out this am with the links to the two briefings, praising the usefulness of these briefings.
We have ordered 600 DVD's and they will be here Friday late afternoon (tomorrow) for distribution.
From: Gordon Cucullu [mailto:gordon@

SUbject: Re: In case You Missed It
Thanks for sending these, Dallas. Great interviews and they will be very helpful. If this got distributed more we'd
have greater understanding and appreciation by the American people.
By the way, I had a piece on the current military compared to Vietnam and WWII published this month in The
American Enterprise MagaZine. It is titled 'Our new military for the new millennium.' Feel free to use it as you will if
it helps.
All the best. Gordon Cuculiu
---- Original Message ----

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 11:18 AM
Subject: In Case You Missed It
Folks,
I wanted to send your way two links that will take you to the pentagon channel streaming video file of two live
briefings that we had from Iraq yesterday and Tuesday. I believe these are a MUST watch for anyone working
with the media to offer operational information of what is happening on the ground. If you missed them, here
are the links. As always, if there is anything else we can get you folks. please let me know.
NY TIMES 7077
The first link is that of COL Robert Brown, the Commander of the 1st Brigade (Stryker), 25th Infantry Division,
Multi-National Force-Northwest:
http://pentagonchannel.feedroom.com/index, jsp?fr story:d0430786de4a02d7b61 a738be693d b1 043965579
The second link is that of Army COL tU.UM : Cmdr of the 3rd Armored Cavalry Reg, Multi-National
Force-Northwest. He is currently working in the Tal Afar region: .
http://pentagonchannel.feedroom,com/index, jsp?fr story: 1c60dd6f3703d4d 93400c6b363dd3313ac048eae
Dallas B. Lawrence
W)~C)~F) (b) 2)
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From: Oi Rita, Larry, CIV, OSO-OASO·PA

Sent: Thursday, September 15,20051:19 PM
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD·PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA;
Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA
SUbject: Re: Briefings
Please give me a brief memo on this that explains what we did in plain language. Ad a
squib about the dvd's too. It would be great to have it today. I know that is impossible
and simply cannot happen, but I thought you'd like to know that it would be great to get
it today.
- - - - -Original Message- - - - - ~
From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA <Dallas.Lawrence@~>
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA <Eric.Ruff@ij5tci i Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
<Bryan.Whitman@~~ Di Rita, Larrir CIV, OSD-OASD-PA <larry.dirita@~GfII>; Barber,
Allison, CIV, OASD-PA <Allison.Barber~~ttihll>
Sent: Thu Sep 15 13:10:57 2005
Subject: Briefings
I thought you'd all like to know, this has been very well received by our analysts. three
have emailed back since I sent the email out this am with the links to the two briefings,
praising the usefulness of these briefings.
We have ordered 600 DVD's and they will be here Friday late afternoon (tomorrow) for
distribution.
From: Gordon cucullu [mailto:gordon@
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005

1:05 PM
Subject: Re: In Case You Missed It
Thanks for sending these, Dallas. Great interviews and they will be very helpful. If this
got distributed more we'd have greater understanding and appreciation by the American
people.
By the way, I had a piece on the current military compared to Vietnam and WWII published
this month in The American Enterprise Magazine. It is titled 'Our new military for the new
millennium.' Feel free to use it as you will if it helps.
All the best, Gordon Cucullu
Folks,
I wanted to send your way two links that will take you to the pentagon channel streaming
video file of two live briefings that we had from Iraq yesterday and Tuesday. I believe
these are a MUST watch for anyone working with the media to offer operational information
of what is happening on the ground. If you missed them, here are the links. As always,
if there is anything else we can get you folks, please let me know.
11
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The first link is that of COL Robert Brown the Commander of the 1st Brigade (Stryker),
25th Infantry Division, Multi-National For~e-Northwest:
http://pentagonchannel.feedroam.com/index.jsp?
fr_story:d0430786de4a02d7b61a73Bbe693db1043965579
The second 1ink is that of Army COL • • Cmdr of the 3rd Armored Cavalry Reg I
Multi-National Force-Northwest. He is currently working in the Tal Afar region:
http://pentagonchannel.feedroom.com/index.jsp?fr_story~
lc60dd6f3703d4d93400c6b363dd3313ac048eae
Dallas B. Lawrence
Defense
w) rll.n. . . . C) (b)(2) F) (b)(2)
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From:' Rick Francona ~.Mlil

• • •IIIII!~ ••
Cc: fj5T1Y i i CIV, OASD-PA
SUbject: Re: In Case You Missed It
Larry. excellent and helpful.
Rick Francona
Military Analyst, NBC/MSNBC
-----Original Message---
From: "Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA"
Sent Sep 15, 2005 11 :18 AM
To:
SUbject In Case You Missed It
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- - ---~-- ~---- - - - ---
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 20051:11 PM
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD
Subject: Briefings
I thought you'd all like to know, this has been very well received by our analysts. three have emailed back since I sent the
email out this am with the links to the two briefings, praising the usefulness of these briefings.
We have ordered 600 DVD's and they will be here Friday late afternoon (tomorrow) for distribution.
From: Gordon Cucullu [mailto:gordon~mlbl~R{;jil • • • • •
Subject: Re: In case You Missed It
Thanks for sending these, Dallas. Great interviews and they will be very helpful. If this got distributed more we'd have
greater understanding and appreciation by the American people.
By the way, I had a piece on the current military compared to Vietnam and WWII published this month in The
American Enterprise Magazine. It is titled 'Our new military for the new millennium.' Feel free to use it as you will if it
helps.
All the best, Gordon Cucullu

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 200511:18 AM
Folks,
I wanted to send your way two links that will take you to the pentagon channel streaming video file of two live
briefings that we had from Iraq yesterday and Tuesday. I believe these are a MUST watch for anyone working
with the media to offer operational information of what is happening on the ground. If you missed them, here are
the links. As always, if there is anything else we can get you folks, please let me know.
The first link is that of CO Lr'lMftftiJilil:;lrilll• •: the Commander of the 1st Brigade (Stryker), 25th Infantry Division,
Multi-National Force-Northwest:
http://pentagonchannel.feedroom.comlindex. jsp?fr story=d0430786de4a02d7b61 a738be693db 1043965579
The second link is that of Army COL H.R. McMaster, Cmdr of the 3rd Armored Cavalry Reg, Multi-National Force
Northwest. He is currently working in the Tal Afar region:
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http://pentagonchannel.feedroom.com/index.jsp?fr stOry: 1c60dd6f3703d4d93400c6b363dd3313ac048eae
Dallas B. Lawrence
United States Deiartment of Defense
wImlm I C)mIfA· F)_
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From:· JedBabbin@i5fld
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: China
Eric: Thanks. The interviews are in the works, under the control of a very nice navy It. commander. I think
that's under control. Just wanted to be a voice in your ear on the trip. I appreciate all your help (probably more
than you know.) Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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Sent: Monday, September 12,20055:22 PM
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; tUifGi i CIV, OASD-PA
SUbject: Re: Afghanistan
We may want to think about plugging him into the next afe or codel trip going in, that
could at least get him into bagram. Then have him connect with col yonts, the CGs pa,
From: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA <Eric.Ruff~~I~JI>
To: ri5lht : CIV, OASD- PA <rJ:w,a >; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
<Dallas.Lawrence~~>
CC: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA <Allison.Barber@ijthtdlll>
Sent: Mon Sep 12 17:18:29 2005
Subject: RE: Afghanistan
[df~il i think we should plug dana into cent com and try and establish a direct connection
between the two. i'm certainly in favor of dana getting some assistance and if necessary
please feel free to centcom pia that we think these two days dana is looking for could be
very helpful. thanks.
From: ri5iht CIV, OASD-PA
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
Subject: FW: Afghanistan
hi there.
one of our military analysts has been asking about going to afghanistan in the fall. i·
understand we're not offering a trip, but he'd like to go anyway on his own and then
perhaps meet up with our folks over there to be shown around. is there a way we could make
this happen for him??
thanks
mIl
-----ori2inal Message----
From: rinTld [mail to :rl.I1R•••••••••••••
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 8:24 AM
To: riMa , CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: Afghanistan
I will be traveling to Thailand, via Europe in November. While I am flying overlthru the
region, would it be possible for me to stop and visit Afghanistan at my expense (or I
,should say Heritage Foundations's expense), but escorted by the military there and showed
around a bit? say two days?
rmTm
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Sent: Monday, September 12,20053:15 PM
To: tli\fl9 • CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: American Spectator (Babbin)
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?artJd=8728
Amateur hour had better be over at FEMA. It's TACAMO time, and the answer is C-3-I.
The American Spectator <http://www.spectator.org/dsp article.asp?art id=8728>
Jed Babbin
Researcher

The Pentagon, Room *
Telephone •
Fax
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From: JedBabbin@U5Tld
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 7:57 AM
To: tmcinerney@uVIii paulvallel nashct@rmI15. Glenstrae77
r..Mri : BUR~.. • CIV, OASD-PA; WSSlnter@rmtm'II
rOberthscales~. •
Subject: Fixing FEMA
I
Amateur hour had better be over at FEMA. It's TACAMO time, and the answer is C-3-I.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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(b)(6)
From: ~mGi i CIV, OSD~POLICY
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 20056:05 PM
To: 'JedBabbin@lDfli)J1'
Cc: RUff, Eric, SES, OASD.PA; ~bTl5 CIV OASD-PA; I
Whitman, Brian, SES, OASD-PA;

Lt Col, OASD-PA;
OASD-PA;NJlri CIV,OSD-POLlCY
Subject: Re: Monday: Urgent
Sure, I'll do it. Earlier in that time slot is better (I have a dinner that night that I
need to attend) .
~/~ pls link up with jtf-gtmo to get me the latest unclass material.
Best,
rmmI
From: JedBabbin@JSfidNii <JedBabbin@[lfl5
To: fdma 4I5fm
Cc: eric. rUff~ <eric. r~~u~f~f~~~lml~ll5i.II~lillllr.1 >i

MmGi __ ~••
Sent: Sat Sep 10 12:59:21 2005
Subject: Monday: Urgent
~ Are you available for a phoner on the Hugh Hewitt national show any time between 6
and 9 pm Monday the 12th? I'm subbing for Hugh again and want to get someone at your
level to talk about the Gitmo hunger strike. I'd only need you for 10-15 mins. (Jay
Hood, who has been on with me before is apparently unavailable). This is a growing story
in the Euro media, and as soon as the MSM get through trashing Bush on Katrina, this will
be high on their list. I'd like to get ahead of it. Please let me know. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(horne fax)
(mobile)
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(b)(6)
From: JedBabbin@l5TldM
Sent: ~0512:59PM
To: rfDIDJ_ _ _ _ _ _
Cc: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA;~Mlit eIY,OASD-PA; (b)(6)
Subject: Monday: Urgent
rmm Are you available for a phoner on the Hugh Hewitt national show any time between 6 and 9 pm Monday
the 12th? I'm subbing for Hugh again and want to get someone at your level to talk about the Gitmo hunger
strike. I'd only need you for 10-15 mins. (Jay Hood, who has. been on with me before is apparently
unavailable). This is a growing story in the Euro media, and as soon as the MSM get through trashing Bush on
Katrina, this will be high on their list. I'd like to get ahead of it. Please let me know. Best, Jed.
Jed Rabbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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(b)(6)
From: JedBabbin@fDlli)W
To: Ruff. Eric. SES, OASD-PA
Cc: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; brian.whitman@rmYm1 mmJ CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: Thanks
Guys: Many thanks for facilitating the interview I had today with Gen. Caldwell of the 82nd Airborne on the
Hugh Hewitt show. It was great. Please pass this on to Capt.1DI)II as I don't have his e-mail. More Monday,
when I'll be subbing again for Hugh. I'm trying to get Jay Hood on the air to talk about the Gitmo hunger strike.
Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From: rmtm CIV,OASD-PA
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 1:04 PM
SUbject: RE: jedbabbin
ok, so dallas should folo up with bryan .... got it.

(OJ
"'--Original Message--···
Sent: Friday, september 09, 2005 12:25 PM
To: ramla CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: jed babbin
dallas lawrence sent me an email earlier this a.m. and he was going to folo up with bryan, whom i told dallas has said
he'd work on getting someone for jed. not necessarily honore because he is really scrambling. thanks.
·····Orlginal Message----·
From: mm-I'!:'l5--CIV, OASD·PA
Sent: Friday, September 09,2005 12:02 PM
Subject: jed babbin
still hasn't heard anything on his request for an interview with honore. would like to have him on the show this
afternoon between 3 and 4. would you follow up with whitman, please?
thanks
rmYI
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(b)(6)
From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD~PA

Subject: RE: Today
yes, and i know they are working it, bryan has been great, however i am about to go into 4 hours of
back to back to back freedom wlak meetings and wont be able to coordinate. i was hoping someone
could take the hand off (not you, just dont want to leave him hanging)
Sent: Friday, september 09, 2005 12:27 PM
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASO-PA
SUbject: RE: Today
did you talk to bryan?
sent: Friday, September 09,200512:25 PM
Subject: FW: Today
dont know whatb to do here....
-----Original Mess~e.----
From: JedBabbin _mallto:JedBabbin~
Sent: Friday, SePte~200512:24 PM
To: dallas.lawrence~
Subject: Today
Dallas: I'll take McHale, but is there no way to get ANY of the military guys instead? I'm dying, pal.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD~PA

Subject: RE: Today
yes, and i know they are working it. bryan has been great. however i am about to go into 4 hours of
back to back to back freedom wlak meetings and wont be able to coordinate. i was hoping someone
could take the hand off (not you, just dont want to leave him hanging)
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD'-PA
SUbject: RE: Today
did you talk to bryan?
Subject: FW: Today
dont know whatb to do here....
-----Original Mess~e-----
From: JedBabbin mtmamallto:JedBabbin~
Sent: Friday, SePte~2005 12:24 PM
To: dallas.lawrence~
Subject: Today
Dallas: I'll takemmDI but is there no way to get ANY of the military guys instead? I'm dying, pal.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From: tb1fl3 : CIV, OASD-PA
SUbject: . jed babbin
still hasn't heard anything on his request for an interview with honore. would like to have him on the show this afternoon
between 3 and 4. would you follow up with whitman, please?
thanks
rm
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From: . Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA

Sent: Friday, September 09,200510:44 AM
SUbject: RE: ken allard on msnbc
im on it
'-·--Original Message·····
Subject: RE: ken allard on msnbc
bryan was working this and told me he was going to get somebody. please.ck with him.
-----Origlnal Message----.
SUbJect: RE: ken allard on msnbc
any luck getting babbin a guy for today
-----Original Message·····
To: rUtim., CIV, OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; ~ CIV,
OASD-PA
can you please send me ken's phone numbers. thanks.
'·'·-Orig;nal Message---·
From: fhtim; CIV, OASD-PA
sent:
To:
Friday, September 09,2005 10:23 AM
Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA;
OASD-PA
wm.-. CIV,
.
Subject: ken allard on msnbc
around noon--ont{ML.11 andml·-to talk about hurricane katrina relief, based on the conference call the
other day.
thanks
m
rL1Tl5
OSD Public Affairs
Community Relations and PUblic Liaison
fj5SJ1jThe Pentagon
~C.20301
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From: ' tlmm CIV,OASD-PA

Sent: Friday, September 09,200510;40 AM
Telephone: (b)(2)
Cellular:
----Original Message--···
From: Ruff, Erie, SES, OASD-PA
To:
Subject:
rJMS CIV, OASO·PA; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA;
RE: ken allard on msnbc
room aV,OASD-PA
can you please send me ken's phone numbers, thanks,
-----Orlginal Message----
From: rJ5flij CIV, OASO-PA
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASO·PA; Barber, Allison, av, OASO-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA;tli\flri aV,OASD-PA
Subject: ken allard on msnbc
around noon---ontiMldl andm--to talk about hurricane katrina relief, based on the conference call the other
da~ .
thanks
tmTI
mm
OSD Public Affairs
tI:\WA The Pentagon
Washington, D,C. 20301
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From: Geren, Pete, GIV, OSD

Sent: Friday, September 09,20056:22 AM
SUbject: RE: McHale, Blum military analyst transcript
Thanks-very helpful
From: Ruff, Eric, SES, 'OASD-PA
To: ~~ CIV, OSD
Subject: Fw: McHale, Blum military analyst transcript
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD~PA <Eric.Ruff

Sent: Thu Sep 08 17:14:05 2005
Subject: McHale, Blum military analyst transcript
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From:"
• • CIV,OASD-PA
Sent:
Thursday, September 08,20055:14 PM
SUbject: McHale, Blum military analyst transcript
Attachments: 09-07-05 McHale, Blum Katrina.doc
09-07-05 McHale,
Blum Katrina....
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Sept. 7, 2005 1600

Military analysts phone call
Host Dallas Lawrence; PllNb"li"'l5~- OASD·PA
Briefers: Lt. Gen. Steve Blum, Chief, National Guard Bureau; Paul McHale, assistant
secretary of defense for homeland defense
Transcriber: ~
(note, conference call lasted approximately one hour)
CONFERENCE CALL WAS ON BACKGROUND. QUOTATIONS SHOULD BE
ATTRIBUTED TO SENIOR DOD OFFICIALS.
Lawrence: Gentlemen, this is Dallas Lawrence calling from the Pentagon. Thanks so
much for joining us today here for the conference call. We're pleased to have Assistant
Secretary of Defense for Homeland Defense Paul McHale with us as well as Lt. Gen.
Blum of the National Guard.
They are here today to discuss, obviously, Katrina disaster relief efforts. I will tum it over
to Mr. McHale. Again, as a reminder, this is on background. Any quotes should be
attributed to senior DoD officials. And we have about 40 minutes for the call.
McHale: This is the first time anybody has called me a senior DoD official. Steve Blum
and I are here. We are both more than willing - in fact, eager - to receive your questions,
give you the best answers we can. Before we start, I want to make sure that the real
(USAF Lt. Gen. Erv Rokke) Erv Rokke is out there? Erv, are you there? Do we have Erv
Rokke up on the line?
Lawrence: Maybe not yet.
McHale: Oh, I am disappointed. Ladies, gentlemen, we would be happy to do what we

can with your questions. Why don't you go ahead and shoot?
Q: This is Jeff McCausland. This is for General Blum, I guess. First of all, can you give
us a little more insight on the return of the 256 lh Brigade from Iraq. I know that National
Guard and your office and people in Louisiana are still going to try to make this the best
possible return. It seems to me a good opportunity to share some positive things. So can·
you talk about that? And second of all, (the things they need?) can you talk about some of
the reports that there may be an effort to try to bring the Mississippi Guard back earlier
than their redeployment later on this fall?
McHale: Sir, this is Paul McHale again. And I probably got out ahead of myself. And
forgive me, I have been running from one immediate requirement to the next. Can we put
your question on hold for just a moment, exactly as you stated it, and can I take about
three minutes of your time and give all of the folks who were up on the call a sit rep on
some of the current statistics and kind of a broad overview of the con ops and then move
from there, maybe three to four minutes at the most on that, and then move on to your
questions immediately after that? Would that be okay with everybody on the line?
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Voices: Yes, OK.
McHale: Okay. terrific. I think all of you are aware that the operational combatant
command that has the responsibility here is Admiral Tim Keating's U.S. Northern
Command. I think most of you are also aware that Lt. Gen. Russ Honore who normally
commands 151 Army has been designated the commander of JTF-Katrina.
Russ, although his original main c.p. was up at Camp Shelby, Miss., in fact, as I am sure
you've gathered by watching the cable programs upon which many of you appear, has
really forward deployed himself nearly fun time to the New Orleans area as well as other
devastated areas along the Gulf Coast.
He is going to be, or has in fact today, moved aboard the Iwo Jima with Vice Admiral
Thad Allen, who is the chief of staff of the Coast Guard and who has recently, within the
last 24 hours, been designated the deputy principal federal official, the deputy PFO. Both
of those fellows are going to be co-located on the Iwo Jima.
Here are the current statistics in terms Of deployment. We have 66,315 active duty and
National Guard personnel assigned to the response effort within the AOR. That number is
further broken out into 20,895 active duty; 45,420 National Guard.
We can give you various metrics by which you would assess the meaning of those
numbers, but the bottom line is that is one of the largest, most substantial, robust
deployments in the history of the U.S. military.
The actually deployment, as executed, exceeded all of the written metrics that we
established at the beginning of the operation. Let me just as an example - a couple of
minutes ago I was looking at one of our internal sit reps for September the second· if I
recall correctly, and it indicated that we anticipated a force flow that would bring us to I
believe it was 26,000 National Guard by yesterday. Let me double check that before you
use that. But my point is we are far ahead of the flow rate that we had originally
anticipated. We have today 20 U.S. Navy ships engaged in the operation; 75,000 people
have been evacuated using DoD assets and personnel.
Seven thousand five hundred (7,500) patients have been evacuated by ground; an
additional 2,552 medical patients have been evacuated by air. Using DoD facilities and
personnel 5, 512 patients have been treated.
The projected flow is that in addition to the numbers that I gave you previously, the
total's 66,315. We anticipate that within the next 24 to 48 hours an additional 1,596
active duty and 5,441 National Guard forces will flow into the AOR. That will take us up
over 70,000 personnel within the next 24 to 48 hours.
As I indicated, Joint Task Force Katrina's forward element is now forward located on the
USS Iwo Jima in New Orleans. If you've been watching the cable programs you've seen
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a coordinated effort involving police department personnel, National Guard and active
duty personnel in the voluntary evacuation of the remaining citizens of New Orleans.
That is, those citizens who are compliant with the mayor's direction that they leave the
city.
The approach has been to this point that those citizens who do not want to leave will be
allowed to do what they want to do no matter how unwise that might be for the time
being. There is still a backlog - a substantial backlog of citizens who are eager to leave
the city and the focus of the coordinated effort between law enforcement and military at
this point is to assist those who want to leave to do so as quickly as possible.
Obviously a decision is going to have to be made. It will involve as I understand it a

determination by the governor, the mayor, and the U.S. attorney for that district of
Louisiana with regard to the appropriate course of action for those individuals who
choose not to leave. At this point the civilian leadership in Louisiana has not yet spoken
with one voice on the question of mandatory evacuation and so we have set that aside for
the time being to help those who are eager to receive our help.
DoD has provided within the last 24 hours 1,500 mobile radios in order to assist the New
Orleans police department in getting their comm system up and operating. That is in fact
- I am not sure they'll deploy them this way - but just on a numerical basis, that's a
mobile radio for nearly every police officer on the force, assuming everyone on the force
were to report for duty. It's a very substantial tool in reestablishing radio communication
in support of the New Orleans police department.
We also have other technical communications support that we are providing to law
enforcem~nt personnel both in Mississippi and in Louisiana.
Six installations, DoD installations, are serving as transportation and staging areas for
FEMA. FEMA has ordered from us and we have either delivered or have en route 21
million MREs.
Ten Department of Health and Human Services federal medical shelters are now located
on DoD installations and 89 nations have offered assistance in this response effort.
Now that's kind of a current sit rep, a summary of where we are. I guess I would
summarize the meaning of those statistics by simply saying that this has been the most
robust and rapid deployment of U.S. capabilities in support of civil authorities ever
executed in our nation's history. The deployment that I just described to you, in terms of
its current status, far exceeds both in speed and scope the assistance that was provided
following Hurricane Andrew in 1992. The deployment that has now been executed far
exceeded all of our projections in terms of planning or predictions at the beginning of the
operation. More gear, more people, more capabilities have been moved into this area of
responsibility than we anticipated at the beginning.
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That obviously reflects a level of civil support that also exceeded what would have been
predicted, simply because of the severity of the hurricane, and reflects, I think, very well
on the men and women in uniform who made it happen.
With that as an introduction, let me come back to the question that the gentleman
presented. Steve Blum has been feverishly researching his answer while I've been talking
so you'll get a better answer now than you would have about five minutes ago.
Q: Excellent.
Blum: OK, let me see if! can remember the question, that's how feverishly I've been
researching it.
Q: (inaudible)
Blum: You asked me what are the plans on the return of the 256th to Louisiana, then you
lh
asked me is there any plans afoot to remove the return date for the 15S out of
Mississippi to an earlier return.
Q: Correct.
Blum: OK. I'm not aware of any adjustments on the 1551h at this time. What might be
1h
considered is normally, as these units come out, we have requested for the 256 that they
usually come tail first and then the head last, and in this case we're asking now that their
mission has changed over that we readjust the flow of the unit to bring the head home
earlier than normal because we (were? Would?) plan to put the headquarters right into
this fight with the hurricane. There is very good reason for this and it should be very good
acceptance for this both by the families and the soldiers and their civilian employers. And
th
here's the reason. The 256 marched away, was mobilized to war, 18 months ago. It was
expecting a pretty dramatic and wonderful homecoming because of the great work and
the great record they had in Iraq. Now they are coming home because of Katrina. Their
homecoming may be to no homes, and in many cases no jobs because the businesses that
employed these citizen soldiers are no longer viable or even in some cases they don't
even exist. So rather than bring soldiers back to no home and no job, which is not the
kind of homecoming we wanted, we intend to keep those citizen soldiers from the 2561h
on active duty for an extended period and dedicate their efforts to the recovery operations
for Katrina. This will give them benefits, pay and a sense of purpose, and allows them to
be left under the umbrella of the Department of the Army for Operation Hope, which is
an operation that is being stood up right now for all DoD forces returning into the
affected region, but it allow - provide them for housing and housing stipends if they
don't want to accept the government housing they'll get a stipend where they can go
through their own rental agreements or purchase agreements and this will show, I think,
caring compassion for the solders, their families, and it will (relieve?) a lot of the burden
- the economic burden - on the region.
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At the same time, those soldiers who do come home that have their house standing and
want to return to it and have employment that's still in existence and is more beneficial
for them will be allowed to be released from active duty to in fact do that.
I think it's probably the best of all worlds solution. And depending on what the situation
looks like in Mississippi in a couple of months after the recovery effort we'll probably do
the same thing for them but on a smaller scale because we think we'll be further along in
the recovery 60 or 90 days from now than we are now.
Does that make sense to you?
Q: (inaudible) the 256 th the when and the where, when you expect their headquarters to
redploy and where (inaudible).
Blum; The lead elements or advance elements are already back. They're already here
now and they're up at Fort Polk. They're being handled up there and Fort Polk is being
prepared as one of the places that we will accommodate and receive these soldiers,
particularly for housing them because it's out ofthe affected area.
I don't want to talk too much to the details of that because they're ongoing right now and
I don't want to give you inaccurate information, but I can tell you that the Department of
Defense and the Department of the Army is entirely, entirely behind and dedicated the
resources and the energy to make this thing work.
The Army is - has embraced the National Guard brigade as its own. This is like nothing
that has ever existed in the history of this nation. The Army is a total Army right now.
While we're providing 45,000 plus - it's growing every moment - National Guard forces
from every state and every territory - the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico and D.C.,
everybody, everybody. When you called out the Guard this time you called out America.
Literally, everybody, every state is contributing through a previously existing Emergency
Management Assistance Compact -- it's a voluntary arrangement amongst the governors,
and they're flowing forces in. Right now, they total 45,000 forces, which is over twice
the size in Afghanistan - and all that was generated in under five and a half days. Kind of
remarkable. Kind of remarkable when none of it required a deployment order or the
mobilization of even one soldier. So it really shows that the National Guard today
Army and Air - are truly the 21 sl century minutemen and women. I mean we have really
gone back to our roots and when this nation needs it, we've shown that we can be there.
We are doing this at a time, I said, where we have 80,000 troops deployed overseas in
Afghanistan and Iraq, ,to include two brigades that are coming from this area, right back
to this area, and yet, we were able to meet every request of the governors of both of those
states. We fell short on no capabilities that have been requested by us by the governors or
the lead federal agency to date, and we continue to push, anticipate and lean forward on
requirements that we think will be coming in the next few days.
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Q: General, excuse me, Mr. McHale, can you enlighten us - you know, you've got a
substantial number of capabilities - this is Jed Babbin from American Spectator. Can you
enlighten us on what the ROE (rules of engagement) is for Lt. Gen: Honore with respect
to the people who are going to remain and are refusing evacuation? Have we made it
clear to the Louisiana people that we are not going to take responsibility for their health,
welfare, and safety?
McHale: We have made it clear that we are not going to forcibly remove anyone using
Title 10 forces, using Title 10 military personnel. In the event that there is an individual
who violates what might by then be a lawful order by civilian authorities to leave the
area, if that individual makes the decision not to leave, at that point the responsibility
with regard to any interaction with that person will transfer to civilian law enforcement
authorities, and the 82 nd Airborne will disengage.
Bottom line, active duty military forces will not be involved in the forcible removal of
anyone.
Q: OK. Let me follow that up though. The question really is a little bit different, forgive
me. The question really is does Kathleen Blanco understand that we're not going to be
flying food and doctors in to people who are refusing to leave?
McHale: Yes. Secretary Chertoff on behalf of the federal government and as the secretary
for the lead federal agency, the Department of Homeland Security and FEMA, has said
on several occasions, including some in my presence, that the federal government is not
going to provide that continuing assistance those that remain behind if it is determined by
civilian authorities that a lawful order is to be published directing those people to move.
So if, if, if, if - the hesitation you hear in my voice is this - as of a couple of hours ago,
I'm told, the mayor, who has directed the mandatory removal of the citizens ha~ been in
conference with the governor, who has disagreed with that decision. The two of them
have been in conference with the United States attorney and the civilian leadership is
working its way toward a legally binding decision. All we know at this point is that that
decision has not yet been finalized and that while it is being made by the responsible
civilian officials, there are hundreds, perhaps thousands of citizens who are eager to leave
the area, and to them we're simply offering assistance. Those who are resisting a decision
to leave have been allowed to do so. And if a lawful order is given to leave and that order
is -- reflects the legal authority of the state statutes of Louisiana, any citizen who violates
such a lawful order will be the responsibility of civilian law enforcemem and not active
duty military personnel.
We are not going to use our soldiers to forcibly remove those who resist an order from
the state government of Louisiana. That is a law enforcement function. Our active duty
military personnel do-not have the legal authority to engage in law enforcement activities.
We're offering a helping hand. It will be the responsibility of civilian law enforcement to
remove those who violate a lawful order.
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Q: And to support them if they decide to stay, and you guys are not going to be on the
hook again --
McHale: No we are not.
Q: Kathleen Blanco makes the wrong decision.
Q: Yeah, this is Ken Allard. Did anyone of you guys say hey, tell us which one of you
guys wins?
Q: It ain't funny.
Q: Follow up on that though. You talked about the active duty nQt being involved, and
obviously the police would. Where does that leave the National Guard, who are really
there on the state's call up (inaudible - reporting?) to the governor?
McHale: Well, Steve Blum can talk about that in just a moment. As a matter of law it
leaves the National Guard under the command and control of that governor. And so the
position of the governor presumably will be reflected in the orders that she gives to her
adjutant general and communicated to her National Guard forces in state status.
Those forces are exempt from Posse Comitatus. I think most of you know that. And those
forces can legally engage or can lawfully engage in law enforcement activities in ways
that our active duty forces cannot. And so it will be a matter of state law, and state
political leadership, if the governor chooses to use her power as chief executive of the
state to use her National Guard to assist the police in forcibly removing those citizens
who do not wish to move.
But it is our intent, on ,behalf of the Department of Defense, to offer a helping hand, not
to engage in law enforcement activity, and not to be involved in the forcible removal of
any citizens who might violate a lawful order under Louisiana law. Steve Blum may want
to comment upon that.
Blum; First let me say that that's exactly correct. But to get to what I think you're asking
beneath that question, who wins between the governor and the mayor? Frankly, if the
mayor wants to enforce a mandatory evacuation he's just got to get his police force up
and running and do it. He doesn't need - but if he wants to use the Guard, he has to have
the consent of the governor. And the governor is the only one that commands the
National Guard, and the only one that can chop the Guard, so to speak, or allow the
Guard to support the civilian law enforcement efforts that are going on in New Orleans.
To date she's been very generous in that. But if they are not doing an activity that she
wants to support, she can withdraw that support and that's her prerogative.
Q; General, when you say the Guard-
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Blum: I think the discussions are going on right now about that because when I just called
down there I think that's exactly what's happening right now.
Q: General, when you say the Guard, are you talking about the Louisiana Guard only, or
have some of these other 45,000 guard from around the nation chopped to a single
control, or are they under Honore's control? What is,thechain of command for ---
McHale: I can straighten that out.
Q: Can you make that clear in all ~he states there, General Blum?
McHale: This is Paul again, and I think I can an£wer most, if not all, of that question. Lt.
Gen. Honore is obviously an officer of the United States Army, a Title 10 officer, the
JTF commander, and as a subordinate commander to Admiral Keating, the combatant
commander at NORTHCOM, Lt. Gen. Honore commands all of the Title 10 forces
committed to this mission within the AOR.
As we discussed a little bit earlier, the National Guard forces fall under the command and
control of Maj. Gen. Landreneau, who is the' adjutant general of Louisiana, and a
subordinate military officer under the command and control of the governor. The states
that have contributed, and that's all of the states I am told at this point, to the National
Guard force have done so in the vast majority of cases pursuant to the EMAC agreement
among the states. There are a few minor exceptions to that, but the Guard personnel
contributed to Louisiana by other states roll in under the command and control of Maj.
Gen. Landreneau. And then finally, all of the states that have contributed law
enforcement personnel, specifically National Guard MPs, have signed a collateral
agreement pursuant to which their MPs, contributed by donor states, also fall in under
Maj. Gen. Landreneau, not only for general utility purpose but specifically and expressly
for purposes of law enforcement. The effect of ail of those authorities when fused is to
give to Lt. Gen. Honore complete command and control all Title 10 forces and to Maj.
Gen. Landreneau, the TAG, complete command and control of all National Guard
forces, and he may use, at the direction of Governor Blanco, those National Guard forces
that have signed the collateral law enforcement agreement for purposes of law
enforcement within the state of Louisiana.
Q: That's an interesting run down. I hadn't heard that before. I don't know if that's been
put out in any of the news media or if there has been an effort to even mention the name
Maj. Gen. Landreneau. I've never heard that before.
Q: And also, what about the forces in the other states now, Mississippi and Alabama-
McHale: Ifwe could pause for a moment on the first observation, which is I think a fair
observation. Lt. Gen. Honore has been very prominent in the media and I think has
quickly become a military commander easily re~Qgnized. Russ is a superb officer, pretty
colorful, pretty forceful, and quite effective.
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He makes an impression upon you, whether you see him on TV' or have the privilege of
meeting him in person as I have on many occasions. He has dominated and has come to
capture in his person the ongoing commitment of military forces to this operation.
In fact, Maj. Gen. Landreneau currently commands a force substantially larger, just about
twice the size, of the active duty force. Maj. Gen. Landreneau has, in a very professional
manner, worked closely and cooperatively with Lt. Gen. Honore. We have not sensed
much if any daylight between these two officers. And so the senior officer, the three star,
Lt. Gen. Honore, has been able either through command or through coordination to
achieve unity of effort between the Guard personnel, 45,000 of them, and the active duty
force, 20,000, to ensure that their missions remain mutually reinforcing.
And it is the spirit of that cooperative relationship between Lt. Gen. Honore and Maj.
Gen. Landreneau that has allowed us to go forward in a way that to date has worked
pretty effectively. Let me turn to General Blum.
Blum: Again, that's absolutely correct. And for those of you that either served in the
Balkans, or are familiar with the command arrangements in the Balkans, most of the
multi-national division commanders in Bosnia had a Russian airborne brigade under
them, that were under own separate chain of command, but they were responsive and
very cooperative if the commander established the right relationships, which Russ
Honore and General Landreneau in fact have done.
BennyLandreneau is the yin of personalities to Russ Honore's yang. They are totally
different people. But do not mistake his quiet, gentlemanly approach to this, where Russ
is a little bit more rambunctious and raucous. They are both very, very highly
professional people, highly capable officers with very different styles of how they carry
themselves and how they present themselves in a public way.
Benny Landreneau is effectively leading a force that is putting Humpty Dumpy back
together again very, very well. And he will complement and work with Russ Honore in a
superb fashion. It's not the first time these two men met. He has been the adjutant general
for a long time in Louisiana. He's seen - this is not his first rodeo, so to speak. It is the
biggest one he's ever seen. It's not his first; he knows what to do. And Russ Honore,
being the 151 Army commander, knows General Landreneau personally and professionally
for some time. This is a parallel effort, a beautiful extension of the state and federal
partnership in the response and the recovery of this hurricane.
You have to remember - everybody keeps saying, who's in charge? It isn't General
Honore. It isn't General Landreneau. It's not anybody in uniform. It's the governor.
Whether you like her style or you like her ability it doesn't matter. She's the governor
and she's in charge.
So what is the lead federal agency doing down there? In this case it's FEMA as part of
the Department of Homeland Security, sent there by the president, at the request of the
governor. It's a federal assistance to who's in charge - the governor. She'll be in charge
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until this thing is over, and maybe she'll be in charge long after it's over, or maybe not.
That's up to the people of Louisiana. But she is clearly in charge. So you have a civilian
federal response going on. You have a civilian state response, county response and local
response going on all in parallel, all with unity of effort. And you have a federal military
response - Anny, Navy, Air Force, and Marines - that Russ Honore is the JTF
commander of. And at the same time you have a very significant force of National
Guardsmen from every state and every territory that are under the command and control
of Governor Blanco through the adjutant general, General Landreneau. So if you can kind
oflook at it as a four-lane highway all heading in the same direction, it's not too tough to
sort out. If you don't realize there are four lanes going in the same place, they're not
going in divergent places, that's where the confusion is.
McHale: This is Paul again. If I can just add a bit of a clarification to what Steve said.
General Blum's observation is correct in that the governor commands all state agencies
and capabilities, consistent with Louisiana statutory law, to include, in the context of this
discussion most especially, the Louisiana Guard, which is currently in state status, and all
of the other Guard forces that pursuant to the EMAC and the collateral law enforcement
agreement have rolled in under the Louisiana TAG and through the Louisiana TAG Maj.
Gen. Landreneau, the chief executive of the state Governor Blanco.
The president of the United States commands all of our Title 10 forces through the
secretary of defense and the combatant commander and Russ Honore and the president of
the United States is in charge of all of the federal agencies that are involved in the relief
effort.
When we take that constitutionally required respect for both levels of government into
appropriate consideration there are authorities and responsibilities assigned to both the
national government and to the state government. When that focus is on the military
command relationship it is true, and so far, pretty effective, that the relationship between
the federal commander, Lt. Gen. Honore, and the state commander, Maj. Gen.
Landreneau, has to be based upon a mutual respect and agreed upon recognition that they
have to cooperate. If, however, that cooperation were to break down - and I would
emphasize to this point that it hasn't - it's worked pretty well because of the people and
the nature of the responsibility that each officer carries - but if that relationship were to
break down, under constitutional and statutory authority the president of the United
States can invoke the insurrection act and can, as has happened - I think all of you know
that -- in American history over the last 50 to 60 years - can transfer the command
authority of the governor, basically extinguish that command authority of the governor,
federalize the Guard, put the Guard in Title 10 status, at which point the Army GJ.lard and
the Air Guard become part of the United States Army, the United States Air Force, and
absolute unity of command is achieved through the federal system of Title 10 authorities.
Any president has to consider that option. Any president has that authority, to be used
under appropriate circumstances. Thus far, the cooperation between these two officers
has been such that the invocation of the insurrection statute has not been necessary.
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Q: OK. (inaudible) I understand the four lanes and the Iwo Jima, what have you. If you're
just talking about the decisions and priorities, where is the command post, the command
and control element that is in charge making the decision on what priorities - whether
you go rescue, whether you go water delivery, the geographical areas to which forces are
going to be deployed. Where is that all being done?
Q: I have a note to that question. What's the nature of Maj. Gen. Landreneau's command
and control capacity? What's he using for staff and what's he using for comm? Does he
have enough to control all of these disparate units that have arrived in his state?
Blum: Yeah, I'll answer that. With his brigade in Iraq - the 256th - he was left with ad
hoc command and control. We've corrected that and we have deployed the 35 th Infantry
Division headquarters from the Midwestern part of the United States - the old wagon
wheel 35 th -- under Maj. Gen. Mason (sp). It's a seasoned, just recently returned from a
deployment in the Balkans, quite effective command and control organization that has
been sent to Louisiana to work for General Landreneau as to in fact give him a division
headquarters on top of what he already had in place with his joint force headquarters
down there.
So he has a - he now has what we think is sufficient command and control. When the
brigade comes home, and that's why we want the head of it home first, you will have a
battle hardened, experienced 18-month active duty brigade that will be able to roll in
there and even make that better and even further improve the capabilities down there.
Q: Where are they located?
Blum: When I first visited last week General Honore was in one location, General
Landreneau was in another location, the state emergency operation was in another
location, the governor was in another location, and FEMA was looking for a location.
Q: (laughter)
Blum: Well, I am being honest, and when I left there-
Q: I'm sorry, on horseback or not?
Blum: No, but we understood that that was very dysfunctional. That could work if you
had superb, superb communications and information technology and you had a very
practiced system of sharing a common operating picture. But with limited comms, and
with no comms, I was able to influence -let's put it that way - all parties to co-locate, to
include the governor, all in Baton Rouge in one joint interagency operations center and
that is ongoing right now and starting to work quite well.
McHale: I need to add to that a couple of facts that JUSt have developed over the last 24 to
48 hours. What General Blum has described is correct in terms of the co-location of all
these capabilities in Baton Rouge. In addition, our vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs,
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Admiral Giambastiani, was recently the combatant commander down at Joint Forces
Command. One of the things that he did down at Joint Forces Command was to stand up
- I think I have the tenninology correct, it's off the top of my head - but it's a standing
Joint Force headquarters specifically designed to be deployable for command and control
in these kinds of missions.
And so what we did was we -- meaning the secretary of defense did - we deployed that
standing Joint Force headquarters out of Joint Forces Command to Baton Rouge to the
location that Steve Blum just described, so that that headquarters supporting lTF-Katrina
could be co-located with the main hub ofFEMA command and control within the AOR.
So in Baton Rouge today, you would find that standing loint Force headquarters
supporting Russ Honore, co-located with FEMA, in order to ensure the day-to-day
coordination of federal military and civilian activities within the AOR. But, and using
tenninology that most of you folks recognize, well that's the main c.p. Thejump c.p. is
down where the most immediate action is taking place, and that's New Orleans.
And Russ Honore has been spending most of his time down in New Orleans. I believe
that's where he is right now. The Iwo Jima big deck amphibious ship pulled into the port
in New Orleans I think yesterday, and within the last 24 hours General Honore has
moved his forward - I am calling it his jump c.p., I don't know that he's using that
tenninology - he's moved his jump c.p. onto the Iwo Jima in order to remain engaged
more effectively in New Orleans, particularly during the ongoing evacuation and the
other operations that are the focus of his attention at this point. And in addition, within
the last 24 hours, Admiral Allen, the chief of staff of the Coast Guard, who is now the
deputy principal federal official, the deputy to Mike Brown, has also moved aboard the
Iwo lima.
So you have the second senior - basically the x.O. - ofthe civilian federal relief effort co
located at the jump c.p. with the Title 10 commander, both aboard the Iwo Jima. And I
think that's about the most succinct description I can give you of -- and of the heavy duty
stuff that's going on back at the main c.p. in Baton Rouge, relying on that capability
coming out of Joint Forces Command, and the jump c.p. that's on the Iwo Jima in
addition.
And finally, NORTHCOM I think very wisely established a standing Joint Headquarters
as well. It's a 40-man cell, a 40-person cell under Maj. Gen. Punch Moulton. That
standing headquarters deployed to New Orleans where it is supporting the jump c.p. of
Lt. Gen. Honore.
Q: Gentlemen, Ken Allard. Look, the one thing I would say to you guys - and I think this
is terrific stuff - particularly on the (C-2?). But there is nobody at the state and local level
that ever understood anything at all about Goldwater Nichols. They simply have not been
through what we have been through -
McHale?: Right.
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Q: over the last 10 years, So what you're doing right now is you are literally writing
history. And if you think it's bad right now, as you begin to start to think about
reconstruction, reconstitution, at the state government level there are literally no effective
mechanisms for anything beyond the state itself. There is state, there is federal, and there
is very little at the regional level. And I am telling you - based on being down here - that
is what the (inaudible -level?) this crisis is going down at. It's the only level at which it
can be solved, and there is nothing there even remotely like that. So everything that you
are inventing now - as a function of having been to the Joint schoolhouse - that is
directly applicable to what these guys are doing, And I am telling you right now, from
(inaudible) standpoint, don't be afraid to (teach?). And general, you know, if you need to
encourage people to understand some of the basics about (C-2?) please don't be afraid to
do that.
McHale: Ken, I think that is a really important observation, and I don't want to get too far
outside my lane, or move too far into the unpredictable future but I think you've really
just put your finger on an issue of central importance in understanding some of the
challenges and some of the mistakes that were made early on in this deployment.
The concept of operations embedded in the national response plan is one that relies upon
tiered capabilities being echeloned into the theater in an orderly, sequential and fairly
rapid manner, where the point of the spear, quite logically, is expected to be a robust
system oflocal first responders, where if something bad happens, whether it's a Katrina
or an (RDD?) the reasonable expectation has been in the past there will be a fairly robust
infrastructure of police officers and firefighters and HAZMAT personnel augmented and
reinforced by state emergency management personnel, reinforced fairly quickly by the
National Guard in state status, so that forces begin flowing into .the site. of remediation
with a heavy emphasis on those who are local.
And then the expectation is that you build with state capabilities, and then beyond the
state the expectation is the next level of capability will be the -1 don't want to say that
it's sequential, it is simultaneous but there is a certain emphasis in terms of the order of
introduction of forces into the AOR - we have FEMA and the federal response coming
in, with FEMA then serving as the primary trigger under the Stafford Act for the
introduction of DoD forces.
So what you're looking at is maybe a seven-to-) 0 day movement of capabilities from the
local police officer up to the 82 nd Airborne and JTF civil support under NORTHCOM.
What happened in this case was that the magnitude of the event itsel f and certain other
problems within the system of local government turned the first responders into the first
victims. And then we had a lag while we attempted to move more distant capabilities in
to not reinforce, but replace the state and local capabilities that were largely absent during
the earlier phases of the operation.
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And Ken, my judgment is what you have identified is a solution to that gap. And that is,
when we deal with the anticipation of a major natural disaster or a catastrophic terrorist
attack, we have to ensure the availability of first responders. We have to ensure the
survivability of the first responder capability. And in my judgment, that's going to
require us to define, develop and resource regional capabilities so that there is a
deployable capability available to provide police and firefighting and HAZMAT
capabilities before the more robust, but also the less mobile, less immediately available
capabilities of the Department of Defense can come in to play.
Q: The other thing, and I don't want to make this into a tutorial, but I have seen this up
close and very personal here because we are right on the edge of the affected area, but the
other thing was not part of this at any level was the assumption that one of the most
powerful forces that you could ever involve was the voluntary power of the average
American citizen.
I will just tell you that it is a tremendously impressive and moving thing to watch. So
whatever you do, it is not going to be one ofthose things in which we simply assume the
way we do in a military operation that everything else is passive. Trust me, everything
else is moving and really does want to help if they are allowed to do so.
McHale: Yeah. I would emphasize that the approach of the Department of Defense in this
case has been anything but passive. We put-
Q: No. I am talking about the role of the average citizen.
McHale: No, no. I understand Ken. And I - what - this is something that those who
conduct the after action review, including some of the folks in this room, and some on the
other side of the Potomac over on Capitol Hill are going to have to look at, and that is,
how do we, for instance, establish a regional first responder capability by drawing upon
the voluntary spirit of those who live in that region?
We've got to develop a civilian surge capacity, in my judgment. And that civilian surge
capacity can be used to establish a regional law enforcement capability, a regional
firefighting capability, a regional HAZMAT capability, so that if a -let's sayan
improvised nuclear device is detonated in an American city, and there are no police
officers mission capable within a 75-mile radius of the attack -. we have to have rapidly
deployable capabilities I think drawn on a regional basis, perhaps from surge civilian
capacity to fill that gap.
And in this case, we had a situation where the magnitude of the hurricane, combined with
certain other disconnects within state and local government, produced a situation where,
as a practical matter, the first responder capability did not exist. Those who were
expected to respond within the first 24 to 48 hours were not available. The functions that
they would nonnally perfonn were not perfonned.
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The system began to function adequately, and then I think in some ways superbly, once
the passage of time allowed for the introduction of military capabilities and certain other
national civilian capabilities. But there was no base of first responder mission
achievement upon which those follow-on forces could build.
And we can't allow that to happen in the future. There are terrorist attacks and in this
case a natural disaster that produced a situation where the first responders became the
first casualties, and therefore their missions were not effectively performed early on in
the response.
Lawrence: Folks, we probably have time for two more quick questions.
Q: Let me toss a tough one. Don Shepperd. Let me toss a really tough one, please take
this in the right way, Secretary McHale.
McHale: Sure.
Q: This is the first real work through of the HL - the Department of Homeland Security
in a really tough scenario.
McHale: Yeah.
Q: We're learning as we go, we understand that. We understand the perceptions that have
been created out there. My question is, look, what have we found that HLS has added to
the fight that was not there before, or, is it simply another level of bureaucracy requiring
coordination. (inaudible - in other words?) What does HLS add that was missing in the
past?
Q: Good.
McHale: You know, basically I have been talking about an absence of deliverable
operational capabilities at the local level. And I think it's fair to say that we did not
immediately have federal civilian capabilities that were deployable to fill the gap created
by the absence of first responders.
What the Department of Homeland Security, and really, the Homeland Security Act
HSPD-5 (?), and most especially the National Response Plan have brought to this effort
is a means by which we can effectively coordinate the combined capabilities of all the
federal agencies.
It is, you know, Ken, to come back to your comment about the spirit of the American
people, it is in the character of the American people, frankly, it's within the character of
the individual federal agencies, that we move to the sound of the guns.
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When there is a crisis Americans move toward and not away from the battle site. That's
just who we are. That's just how we react. That's both good and bad. Wonderfully
admirable, but potentially very disorganized.
Q: Yup.
McHale: We saw that in the incredibly heroic but not well organized immediate response
following 9-11. As, as - particularly first responders with unbelievable and lack of
coordination moved to the sound of the guns to do what their hearts told them they had to
do. And the lack of coordination cost lives.
So I would' argue, as someone who tries to be dispassionate, both as a critic and a

commentator, that while there are deficiencies in our National Response Plan, the
Department of Homeland Security h~ provided an essential and effectively utilized
forum for both leadership of interagency capabilities, coordination of interagency
capabilities, and an integration of those capabilities so that as we move to the sound of
the guns, we don't move at cross purposes.
And I know that that forum for integration of competencies to ensure that our tools are
mutually reinforcing, that we fuse with unity of effort what we're trying to do, that did
not exist as a national capability in any kind of effective way before the Department of
Homeland Security was created and before the National Response Plan was published.
Q: Thank you.
Q: One quick - Chuck Nash again from Fox News. As we start to look at this - and the
immediacy is getting food, water, people to safety, all that stuff - but are we now, do we
have an active data base that says I picked up Bill LeBeaux in this helo, from this place,
took him to here, dropped him off here, here's entered into the system, we have him in a
database both as a disease vector (factor?), so we can vet who he is, is he taking
somebody else's identity who's dead? .
In other words, as we're moving these people around and they are starting to scatter out
in the homes of America, are we vetting these people? Whose job is it to do that so we
don't take somebody who maybe is a child molester and vet them and stick them in a
house in Illinois.
McHale: That responsibility is FEMA's, and it may be that we end up in DoD serving as
collectors and sources for input into that kind of database tracking system. What I can tell
you is what you have recognized has been commonly recognized within the Department
of Defense. We have discussed it with FEMA, and it's a matter that is well known to our
commanders in the field.
It may be that General Blum knows enough to comment about how it's being
implemented. I don't. Blum just waved me off (laughter). Blum just left the room
(laughter). No, that part isn't true. What I would-
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Q: (inaudible) guys, is there an assessment yet as to how severely damaged the port was,
how badly hit the oil refineries were, and so forth, and when all that is,going to be back
on line? Do we have a -
McHale: The answer is a partial yes. But let me, if I may, on both those points, I would
urge you to take those questions forward to those who are collecting that data, gathering
the human remains, transporting the displaced citizens to get tactical detail as to how
that's being done in an organized manner.
Similarly with regard to critical infrastructure assessments and the state of restoration and
the course of action to bring these kinds of facilities back on line, I would encourage you
to contact the Corps of Engineers, because they have at least some of those
responsibilities and they're actively engaged in those assessments now.
I know, for instance, that Lt. Gen. Strock is very familiar with the ongoing effort with
regard to infrastructure assessment, related port facilities. You probably want to talk to
Admiral Allen; as well, the deputy PFO, because the Coast Guard's deeply involved in
some of those port assessments. And I think those guys can give you a much better
picture than a civilian back at the Pentagon can provide.
Lawrence: Gentlemen, we're going to have to let Mr. McHale step out. General Blum has
agreed to finish - answer the second part of that question '--
Blum: No, no, no. I just wanted to make a footnote to Secretary McHale's. I've got to go
with him.
Lawrence: OK.
Blum: But there's something with this group that we're talking to that's important. View
thi"s not through the lens of the American public for just a minute, and view this through
the lens of those that are not - their intent is not to do us goodwill, to do us harm, and
please, the secretary of defense in particular is cautioning folks because we're getting
reports that I can't talk about on this telephone that people are using this to assess
vulnerabilities and to take advantage of this.
So when you're talking about infrastructure, and you're talking about key (nodes?) that
are out, I would be a little sensitive to give very, very valuable intel, or the impression
that we are so dysfunctional that we cannot deter another terrorist attack.
I want to say one thing. I've got 80,000 guys overseas in the Guard, I've got 45,000 down
there right now responding to Katrina. That means I have 300,000 citizen soldiers
forward deployed around this nation that are still available, and are still vigilant, and are
still watching and our antennae are up and our guard is not down, and we are not
distracted. We can walk and chew bubblegum and carry a newspaper, all three at the
same time.
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Q: That's good to hear.
McHale: Fellows, let me just add a closing note, as well. We have recognized with a
sense of urgency the need to reconstitute our response capabilities. We are tracking very
diligently exactly how many MREs have been provided to FEMA, what kind of gear has
been pushed forward in tenns of comm. support, and we are with focus and urgency
reconstituting that equipment and those capabilities so that we will be fully prepared
and are fully prepared - to respond to any kind of follow-on natural disaster. There are
stonns fonning now in the Caribbean. Or even more significantly, any possibility that
terrorists would want to exploit what they could perceive to be a current vulnerability.
If! can close by this - with this. When I started, I was giving you some numbers off the
top of my head. When you get to be my age that's a bad thing to do. But in fact I gave
you the right numbers. I remembered a piece of paper that I now have in front of me that
was an internal sit rep, it's the report that I get every day, we produce it internally each
morning. And the one that I have for Sept. 2 indicated that on Sept. 2 we had 14,569
National Guard in state active duty status serving in the AOR.
We projected on that day, Sept. 2, that by Sept. 6 we would have 27,099 National Guard
serving in the AOR. In fact, on Sept. 6 we had over 43,000 National Guard serving in the
AOR.
Now you guys, nobody's going to try to shine you on, you guys spent a lot of time in
unifonn, you can look at the facts.and draw your own conclusions. This has been a
deployment of historic significance. It is absolute validation, along with ongoing combat
operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, of the total force.
Those of you guys who served in Vietnam remember what it was like for the Reserve
component and the Guard back in the late (19)60's and early (19)70's. And then Melvin
Laird came along and then General Abrams (sp) and the concept of the total force as a
concept was developed.
We've been building toward it for the last 30 years, 35 years almost. And in fact we have
achieved a level of deployable, professional capability within the National Guard that has
been proven this week.
There have been some substantial challenges facing our nation in the last week. And
some ofthose challenges relate to first responders, state and local government, and to we
in the military. But on balance, I think any fair assessment of our military response within
the time frames that in fact were reduced rather dramatically has been an effective
deployment of historic significance where all of our men and women in unifonn have
perfonned really superbly. And the National Guard has shown itself to be a capability
fully relevant to the 21 sl century. That's not a speech, it's a fact.
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Lawrence: Thank you very much. Thank you gentlemen for calling in. Just as a reminder,
this call is on background. Any attribution should be to a senior DoD official.
(end)
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To: • CIV, OASD-PA
SUbject: Please Read (from Hugh Hewitt Show)
From yesterday's Hugh Hewitt show. Please read the interview with FNC's Major Garrett. He reports that the
Red Cross, trying to get food and water into the Superdome and Convention Center last Tuesday or Wednesday
was blocked by Lousiana state officials. These people -- Blanco and Nagin - should be charged with criminal
negligence.
Radio Blogger <http://www.radioblogger.com/>
Jed Babbin
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From: JedBabbin@ftilTldW
Sent: Thursday, September 08,20058:02 AM
To: tmcinerney@1mGi aulvallet nashct@t.l5lEiM; Glenstrae77
@a:",. BURM41516 • • • •e.I.V, OASD·PA; WSSJnter~
roberthscales ........
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SUbject: Important
From yesterday's Hugh Hewitt show. Please read the interview with FNC's Major Garrett. He reports that the
Red Cross, trying to get food and water into the Superdome and Convention Center last Tuesday or Wednesday
was blocked by Lousiana state officials. These people -- Blanco and Nagin ~ should be charged with criminal
negligence.
Radio Blogger
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
NY TIMES 71.1.9
(b)(6)
From: CIV, OASD-PA

Sent: Thursday, September 08,20056:15 AM
To: tiftflri CIV, OASD-PA
SUbject: JTF-Katrina (Babbin)
Researcher

The Pentagon, RoommsJI
Telephone (b)(2)
Fax
-----Original I..,essage----
From: JedBabbin@h5TtaW [mailto:JedBabbin@mImII
Disaster relief by our best. And just where is the UN with their disaster package, hmmmmm?
Jed Babbin
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From:' • • CIV, OASD-PA

Sent: Thursday, September 08, 20056:09 AM
To: rL1fGi CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: FW: Today's Spectator: The Roberts fight
http://www.spectator.org/dsp article. asp?art id=8698
(b)(6)
Researcher

The Pentagon, Room mI8]
Telephone (b)(2)
Fax
-----OriginaJ Message----
From: JedBabbincotlM@'ll
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 8: 14 AM
Subject: Today's Spectator: The Roberts fight
This is one Bush will win, but the second -- the O'Connor replacement -- will be the liberals' do or die fight.
And it will flush alI the fake moderates, such as Hillary, out of the weeds.
Jed Babbin
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(b)(6)

Sent: Wednesday, September 07,2005 10:33 PM
Cc: Oi Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD·OASD·PA
SUbJect: Re: Hewitt show
Friday Blum is back in the region and traveling with 3 or 4 reporters. McHale witht the VP
down there tomorrow. Pitched it to NORTHCOM. Blum might be a possibility for Monday.
Still working it.
From: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA <Eric.Ruff~
To: 'JedBabbin@WSihi <JedBabbin@ij~§
CC: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA <larry.dirita~L22 Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
<Bryan.Whitman@~5fCi
Sent: Wed Sep 07 16:43:08 2005
Subject: Re: Hewitt show
Jed, brought this up earlier this week. Honore is moving around quite a bit and remains a
possibility. What about general blum, if he's available? Thanks.
-----Original Messa~-----
From: ~edBabbin@(imI7.<~edBabbin@~
To: er~c.ruff(etJ:'lI:tM <er~c.ruff@~
CC: dallas .1awrence(Qij!tihi <dallas .lawrence~

Sent: Wed Sep 07 15:43:38 2005
Subject: Hewitt show
Eric/Dallas: I know you're working it hard, so maybe this ~akes it easier. I'm doing the
Hugh Hewitt Show (Salem Radio net, national, 6-9 EDT) on both Friday AND Monday. Really
want Russ Honore for Friday, but will be glad to settle for Monday. Hope that makes it
easier, not more complicated.
Any chance of getting Gen. Jum Conway fpr an Iraq update either day? I know. I'm greedy.
Can't help it. I'm a recovering lawyer. Many thanks. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
NY TIMES 7122
(b)(6)
From:
Sent:
.rmrm..- CIV, OASD-PA
Wednesday, September 07,20055:25 PM
To: Barber. AIliSO"j CIV, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, QASD-PA
Cc: MMlrij i
. Col NGB
Subject: bill cowan on o'reilly
tonight at 8 and 11----defending the national guard's response, fyi.
thanks
rG
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OSD Public Affairs
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From:' JedBabbin@mI('il
SUbject: Hewitt show
EriclDallas: I know you're working it hard, so maybe this makes it easier. I'm doing the Hugh Hewitt Show
(Salem Radio net, national, 6-9 EDT) on both Friday AND Monday. Really want Russ Honore for Friday, but
will be glad to settle for Monday. Hope that makes it easier, not more complicated.
Any chance of getting Gen. Jum Conway for an Iraq update either day? I know. I'm greedy. Can't help it. I'm a
recovering lawyer. Many thanks. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
NY TIMES 7124
(b)(6)

Sent: Wednesday, September 07,200510:26 AM
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
SUbject: FW: NfttGi please distribute, thank you
,
here is the email i just sent with exact info per this morning's meeting. i will re-inforce the rules once on the call.
To: 50 in 5 Speakers
RE: OSD PA Conference Call
Folks, first, I wanted to again offer my sincere thanks for your willingness to hit the road in support of the 50 in 5
outreach mission. Given the country's heightened interest in DoD's operations with Katrina and with the GWOT, our
timing couldn't be better for a nationwide regional outreach effort - and we could not have done it without you!
Several of you have asked'for the most up to date infonnation with regard to DoD's response to Katrina. Today, at 1700
EST, OSD PA will host a conference call with General Blum and our senior retired military analysts to update on disaster
relief operations. I would like to extend the opportunity for you to call in and audit the call should you wish. Please
note, this call has been set up for the primary purpose of offering our analysts an opportunity for direct engagement with
senior DoD leaders. We would request that all 50 in 5 participants audit the call on mute. Should topics come up that
raise questions for you, I would ask that you or your staff direct those off line to myself or MajorrU1Tldor CDRrr.\TlRI
We will work to offer immediate response. We have reserved 50 lines for this call, and would request that only the
Speakers or your PAO designee call in.
Conference call in # (b)(2) or (b)(2)
Once dailcd in. as!. the operatol' to connect ~'ou to the Ilul) Analysts ('onffrence call
Thank you again for your great help in communicating the amazing work being done by our men and women in uniform,
both home and abroad, to the American people,
All the best,
Dallas B. Lawrence
W)tm1fJ C) ~ F) ~
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(b)(6)
From: . Thorp, Frank, CAPT, OCJCS/PA

Sent: Tuesday, September 06,20056:22 PM
To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASO-PA; Oi Rita, Larry, CIV, OSO-OASO-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASO
PA
Subject: RE: analysts call
Importance: High
I think we may want to add someone like BG Scherling or LTG Conway to the phone call. .. LTG Blum brings the NG piece
to it, but the debate is when the active force moved... Maybe LTG Conway?
Frank Thorp
Captain, USN
Special Assistant for Public Affairs
to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
(b)(2)
From: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASO·PA
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 20055:02 PM
To: Oi Rita, Lany, av, OSO·OASO·PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASO'PA; Thorp, Frank, CAPT, OOCS/PA
Subject: analysts call
hi there
we couldn't make the call work for today. we have locked in gen blum for the military analysts and civilian defense experts
tomorrow.
still on track for religious leaders on friday.
ab
NY TIMES 7126
(b)(6)
From: Oi Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD·OASO-PA

To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Thorp, Frank, CAPT, OCJCS/PA
SUbject: RE: analysts call
Thanks.
What religious leaders???
----Original Message----
From: Barber, Allison, ClV, OASO-PA
To: 01 Rita, Larry, CIV, OSO-OASO-PAi Ruff, Eric, SES, OASO-PA; Thorp, Frank, CAPT, OClCS/PA
Subject: analysts call
hi there
we couldn't make the call work for today. we have locked ingen blum for the military analysts and civilian defense
experts tomorrow,
still on track for religious leaders on friday.
ab
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Sent: Tuesl' Septembr 06, 2005 4:48 PM
To:
Cc:
rmmr elV, OSD-POLJCY; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
Henry, Ryan, HON, OSD-POLICY
Subject: RE: International Visitors (subject matter experts) to GTMO
This is an excellent idea -- unfortunately, it did get blown off my radar with this hurricane. I
will assist in anyway that is helpful. I think this has the potential to payoff big down the road.
From: ~mm i nv, OSD-POUCY
Cc: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Henry, Ryan, HaN, OSD-POUCY
SUbject: International Visitors (subject matter experts) to GTMO
Eric,
This proposal has lost steam, and I'd like to re-energize it. Are you still supportive, and would you be interested in going
with me to the White House if i can set upa meeting with folks there to discuss it and possible candidates?
Thanks,
rOlfl31
CONCEPT:
• DoD will select a small group of internationally-recognized subject matter experts on detention
and:
o Provide them the opportunity to expand their understanding of detention operations and
policy through Departmental briefings and a GTMO visit.
o Consult them on ways that the USG can better communicate its commitment to humane
treatment while keeping terrorists from returning to the fight.
• Based on preliminary discussions with proposed candidates, DoD will select and invite 3-5
individuals to the Pentagon for an afternoon DoD briefing on detention operations which would
set the context for a trip the following day to GTMO. The group would receive a visit/tour
similar to recent military analyst visits allowing the individuals direct access to leadership and
detention facilities.
• Key goals include:

o SMEs would provide advice to DoD on improving its detainee-related communication
and outreach to international audiences.
o Following the briefings and visit, SMEs would provide independent, objective
observations to the domestic and international publics on detainee-related issues.
• In the past, a similar SME visit was extremely helpful in developing the military commission
rules. During the visit we intend to encourage a free-fonn discussion on detention that seeks
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professional input on a subject in which they are subject matter experts.
MECHANICS AND LOGISTICS
No media will accompany the trip.
Transportation for the group would include departure and return via Andrews Air Force Base for same
day travel, leaving early morning and returning that evening.
Two options
1) Recommended: Invitational travel orders with existing aircraft transportation to GTMO (using
OARDEC assets).
2) Memo from OASD(PA) to ExecSec regarding the need for military air support on XX day to take a
group of subject matter experts to GTMO on a day trip there and back. ExecSec then takes the memo to
__ who solicits all the military services on who can support the request.
POST·VIST FOLLOW-UP
Following the visit, DoD will continue to informally consult the SMEs and provide them periodically
with updated information on DoD detention operations.
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(b)(6)
- - - -
From: . (b)(6) CIV, OSD-POLICY
Cc: Whitman, Bryan, SES. OASD-PA; Henry, Ryan, HON, OSD-POLICY
SUbject: International Visitors (subject matter experts) to GTMO
Eric,
This proposal has lost steam, and I'd like to re-energize it. Are you still supportive, and would you be interested in going
with me to the White House if i can set up a meeting with folks there to discuss it and possible candidates?
Thanks,
rnma
CONCEPT:
• DoD will select a small group of internationally-recognized subject matter experts on detention
and:
o Provide them the opportunity to expand their understanding of detention operations and
policy through Departmental briefings and a GTMO visit.
o Consult them on ways that the usa can better communicate its c:ommitment to humane
treatment while keeping terrorists from returning to the fight.
• Based on preliminary discussions with proposed candidates, DoD will select and invite 3-5
individuals to the Pentagon for an afternoon DoD briefing on detention operations which would
set the context for a trip the following day to GTMO. The group would receive a visit/tour
similar to recent military analyst visits allowing the individuals direct access to leadership and
detention facilities.
• Key goals include:

o SMEs would provide advice to DoD on improving its detainee-related communication
and outreach to international audiences.
o Following the briefings and visit, SMEs would provide independent, objective
observations to the domestic and international publics on detainee-related issues.
• In the past, a similar SME visit was extremely helpful in developing the military commission
rules. During the visit we intend to encourage a free-form discussion on detention that seeks
professional input on a subject in which they are subject matter experts.
MECHANICS AND LOGISTICS
No media will accompany the trip,
Transportation for the group would include departure and return via Andrews Air Force Base for same
day travel, leaving early morning and returning that evening.
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Two options
1) Recommended: Invitational travel orders with existing aircraft transportation to GTMO (using
OARDEC assets).
2) Memo from OASD(PA) to ExecSec regarding the need for military air support on XX day to take a
group of subject matter experts to GTMO on a day trip there and back. ExecSec then takes the memo to
_ _ who solicits all the military services on who can support the request.
POST-VIST FOLLOW"UP
Following the visit, 000 will continue to infonnally consult the SMEs and provide them periodically
with updated infonnation on DoD detention operations.
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(b)(6)
From: . JedBabbin@UlfG\W
SUbject: Reminder
Eric: Just a reminder. I'm subbing for Hugh Hewitt (national show, Salem Radio net) on Friday, 9/9. We air
6-9 pm EDT. Would like to get Gen. Russ Honore on for 10-15 mins. Thanks. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(b)(2) (horne office)
(home fax)
(mobile)
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(b)(6)
From: RUff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA

To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Di Rita, larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES,
OASD-PA; Thorp, Frank, CAPT OCJCS/PA
Cc: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA;~ CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: outreach plan
good plan,mIG)
From: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASO·PA
Sent: Tuesday, september 06, 2005 11 :40 AM
To: Oi Rita, Larry, elV, OSD-OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASO-PA; Thorp, Frank, CAPT, OCJCS/PA
Cc: lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PAirP.\'ft CIV, OASD·PA~E-mail)
Subject: outreach plan
here is the plan:
today: working on a call with military analysts and gen schereling
wed: gen honore call with military analysts and defense experts
fri: religious leaders with gen blum and mchale
will keep you posted.
ab
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From:
Sent:
JedBabbin@OOm.
Tuesday, September 06,20058:14 AM
To: tmcinerney paulvallel nashct@U~; Glenstrae77
~i\Tm BURM41516. - •• ..~lIP.l;jR.-
elY, OASD-PA; WSSinter@ti""Ib
roberthscales
Subject: Today's Spectator: The Roberts fight
This is one Bush will win, but the second -- the O'Connor replacement -- will be the liberals' do or die fight.
And it will flush all the fake moderates, such as Hillary, out of the weeds.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
NY TIMES 7134
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To: 'JedBabbin~
Cc: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD·PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Di Rita, Larry, CIV, 050
OASD-PA; Thorp, Frank, CAPT, OCJCS/PA
SUbject: Re: interview request· 9 Sept
Jed, given the lead time, we should be able to work this via northcom. I'll forward to
pressops for action. Thanks.
From: JedBabbin«riMm <JedBabbin@/irJIn-iflr::s~-.
To: eric. ruff<ijMI:tW <eric. rufflifiStm
Cc: dallas. lawrence@/jMISiW <dallas. lawre~ce@(jmlri
Sent: Fri Sep 02 15:50:41 2005
SUbject: interview request - 9 Sept
Eric/Dallas: I'll be sUbbing for Hugh Hewitt again on Friday, 9 September. Would very
much like to get either Lt. Gen. Russ Honore of JTF Katrina or Adm. Giambastiani to talk
about what's going on in the aftermath of the hurricane. (I claim extra credit for being
able to spell "Giambastiani.") This story is only going to get bigger as the days pass.
Please let me know what we can do. The show airs 6-9 EDT and is broadcast nationally on
the Salem Radio Network. Many thanks. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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(b)(6)
From: JedBabbjn~
Sent: Friday, September 02, 20053:51 PM
Subject: interview request - 9 Sept
Eric/Dallas: I'll be subbing for Hugh Hewitt again on Friday, 9 September. Would very much like to get either
Lt. Gen. Russ Honore of JTF Katrina or Adm. Giambastiani to talk about what's going on in the aftermath of the
hurricane. (I claim extra credit for being able to spell "Giambastiani.") This story is only going to get bigger as
the days pass. Please let me know what we can do. The show airs 6-9 EDT and is broadcast nationally on the
Salem Radio Network. Many thanks. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(horne fax)
(mobile)
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(b)(6)
From:' JedBabbin@iswaw
To: tmcinerney@J5fl5 ; paulvalle @ nashct@Mml5_ Glenstrae77
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Disaster relief by our best. And just where is the UN with their disaster package, hmmmmm?
Jed Babbin
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Sent: Wednesday, August 31,20059:06 PM
Subject: Re: Gitmo Jive
Sure, this is the first time I have heard of this project. Let's discuss tomorrow.
From: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA <:Eric.Ruff~
To: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA <:Bryan.Whitman~~t~d~·
Sent: Wed Aug 31 18:32:59 2005
Subject: FW: Gitmo Jive
bryan, as you can see from the trail below, we're getting the goahead to work with a
military analyst to tell the story about gtmo. i'd like to work this with you and
whomever in your shop you think ought to handle. thanks.
From: riMa , CIV, OASD - PA
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 6:30 PM
here it is.
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thanks
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Sent: Monday. August 22, 2005 4:39 PM
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Cc: Ruff, Eric, CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: Gitmo Jive
GEN Craddock has seen the proposal to permit Mr. Cucullu access to Guantanamo to
write a book and he supports the concept. Naturally, the details of his visit would have
to be worked out with the appropriate personnel in SOUTHCOM and JTF-GTMO. vir, COL Miles
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sir,
please see t~e story.below. eric rUf~ asked that i pass this along to you for general
craddock as 1t 15 wr1tten by the ret1red military analyst who would like to write a book
about g~antanamo. mr. ruff sent a memo to general craddock a week or so ago reo this. he
woul~ l1ke to see if we can set up a call next week with the general at a time convenient
to h1~. please let me know if there is a time that would work for the general and i will
have 1t put en mr. rUff's calendar.
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thanks.
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Gitmo Jive
By Gordon Cucullu
The American Enterprise, September 2005
www.taemag.com!issues!articleID.18656!article_detail.asp
Guantanamo Bay, Cuba-In the fall of 2001, the U.S. Naval Facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba
("Gitmo" to those who live here) was teetering on the edge of oblivion, with a skeleton
crew of fewer than 2,000 servicemembers on duty. Now a contingent of more than 10,000
resides here. Behind that surge: the need for secure confinement of a collection of human
debris snatched from the battlefields of Afghanistan in early 2002.
These "detainees" are not innocent foot soldiers, or confused Afghan opium farmers drafted
by the Taliban. They are Islamic fundamentalists from across the Middle East, rabid .
jihadists who have dedicated their lives to the destruction of America and Western
civilization. Among the residents are al-Qaeda organizers, bomb makers, financial
specialists, recruiters of suicide attackers, and just plain killers. Many of these men
met frequently with Osama bin Laden. The terrorist Maad AIQahtani, a Saudi who is a self
confessed collaborator with the September 11 hijackers, is one of many infamous captives.
In the opening salvos of the global war on terror, our forces took a lot of pris~ners from
the battlefield. Estimates are that more than 70,000 Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters were
captured and screened. Of that number, approximately 800 were deemed of such high value
for intelligence purposes, or such a severe threat in their own person, that they needed
to be interrogated and confined in a secure locale from which they could not easily escape
or be rescued. Welcome to the new Gitmo.
I was able to observe conditions at the detention facility, firsthand, at the.end of June,
when I was invited to join a group of ten former military and intelligence analysts on an
inspection tour. Briefings commenced aboard our aircraft shortly after take-off, and
continued until landing. We were met planeside by Brigadier General Jay Hood, the
commanding officer of Joint Task Force Gitmo, whose soldiers are responsible for the
security, interrogation, housing, and oversight of all the terrorists confined there.
General Hood and his staff fielded all questions and criticisms, and were very
forthcoming.
Who are these men?
While we observed absolutely no evidence of torture of prisoners at Gitmo, it is clear
that the daily atmosphere is rife with harsh abuse: The prisoners are constantly
assaulting the guards.
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Our young military men and women routinely endure the vilest invective imaginable,
including death threats that spillover to guards' families. All soldiers and sailors
working "inside the wire" have blacked out their name tags so that the detainees will not
learn their identities. Before that step was taken the terrorists were threatening to tell
their al-Qaeda pals still at large who the guards were. "We will look you up on the
Internet," the prisoners said. "We will find you and slaughter you and your family in your
homes at night. We will cut your throats like sheep. We will drink the blood of the
infidel. II
That is bad enough, but the terrorist prisoners throw more than words at the guards. On a
daily basis, American soldiers carrying out their duties within the maximum-security camp
are barraged with feces, urine, semen, and spit hurled by the detainees. Secretly
fashioned weapons intended for use in attacking guards or fellow detainees are confiscated
regularly. When food or other items are passed through the "bean hole"-an opening
approximately 4 inches by 24 inches in the cell doors, the detainees have grabbed at the
wrists and arms of the Americans feeding them and tried to break their bones.
When guards enter the cells to remove detainees for interrogation sessions,medical
visits, or any number of reasons, detainees sometimes climb on the metal bunks and leap on
the guards. They have crammed themselves under the bunks, requiring several guards to
extract them. Some have attacked unsuspecting soldiers with steel chairs. Determined to
inflict maximum damage, detainees have groped under the protective face masks of the
guards, clawing their faces and trying to gouge eyes and tear mouths.
Keep in mind that our soldiers-young men and young women-are absolutely forbidden from
responding in kind. They are constrained to maintain absolute discipline and follow humane
operating procedures at all times, at risk of serious punishment. Documents recently
obtained by the Associated Press through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit show that
one detainee punched a guard in the mouth, knocking out his tooth, then began to bite the
MP. Several guards were required to repel the prisoner's attack; one soldier who came to
the rescue delivered two blows to the inma~e's head with a handheld radio. For this he was
dropped in rank to private.
In a different incident, an MP doused with toilet water responded by spraying the

offending inmate with a hose. For this he was charged with assault. Another American
soldier was disciplined for cursing at inmates. One guard punched a detainee after being
struck and spit on while placing the man in restraints in the prison hospital in October
2004. ("My instincts took over after the hitting and spitting," the soldier wrote in his
report.) He was recommended for a reduction in rank to E-4, loss of a month's pay, and
extra duty for 45 days.
How cooperative a detainee is determines where he is housed, how much free time he is
given, whether he lives alone or in a group, and what color clothing he wears. The most
dangerous wear an orange jump suit. Those who heed instructions earn a beige jumpsuit, and
those who are deemed to be fully compliant wear white. The latter groups have daily
recreation periods, live in groups of as many as ten, and receive extra privileges. The
compliance rating, by the way, has nothing to do with cooperation with interrogators.
Indeed, many fully compliant detainees have maintained stoic silence, while some pf the
most notorious, dangerous prisoners speak freely with interrogators.
Nearly all of these hardened terrorists have been well coached on how to be an American
captive. Given any opportunity, they will all claim torture and human rights violations.
They have been schooled on counter-interrogation techniques, on how to construct and
maintain a cover story, and other subterfuges to fool or deflect interrogators.
Some detainees, including one classified as a "high value intelligence source" t'hat I was
able to observe, take pride in discussing their activities and capabilities with
interrogators. The man I saw brags about Americans he has killed, other Muslims he has
terrorized, attacks he has planned and carried out, and what he will do to the Americans
if he has a chance. He is a leader, and affirms his high rank within the al-Qaeda chain.
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He has star~ed or ended riotous behavior by fellow prisoners on more than one occasion.
With twisted irony, this individual condemns prisoners who ~aintain silence for being
"ashamed" of their past. "They ought to proclaim their feats as proof of their commitment
to the cause of Islam," he tells interrogators, while munching continuously from a box of
doughnuts provided by the interrogator. Why the doughnuts? "He throws his food at the
guards," General Hood says, "so he loves to eat the doughnuts during the interrogation
sessions."
Too hard? Or too soft?
We asked Hood if he was possibly being too lenient with these men. "This system of
rapport-building works," Hood assures us. In support of the soft-handed approach, he,cites
an extraordinary amount of actionable intelligence that continues to flow out of the
interrogation rooms of Gitmo.
His revelation was a surprise to me. During my own career in the U.S. Army Special Forces,
I had been taught that intelligence, like bread, gets stale quickly. That may be true for
tactical intelligence of the sort I used in the field. Strategic intelligence, the kind
that we continue to collect at Gitmo, however, seems to have a much longer shelf life.
Today's interrogators are succeeding at mapping out the complex organizational and
financial structure of al-Qaeda in increasing detail, thereby uncovering networks that
need to be attacked and dismantled. They are uncovering new· "sleeper" cells. They are
learning of temporarily shelved plans for new terrorist attacks, some of which have
subsequently been thwarted by law enforce~ent authorities in America and Europe.
Another surprise for me was learning that many of the U.S. interrogators are women. We
have all heard the salacious stories about using women to tease or embarrass the
detainees. I saw a different reality. The camp behavioral expert, a female Ph.D. who has
more than two years of experience at Gitmo, informed me that female interrogators have
been very effective.
"We assume the role of sister or mother," she explained, "something that is quite
a~ceptable and natural in their culture." She dresses demurel~ for her sessions. "I wear
long sleeves, an ankle-length dress, and little makeup." The interrogation room she enters
is sparsely furnished with leg cuffs to secure the prisoner, a one-way mirror, cameras,
and a distress button to summon help if needed.
"We review what we know of their backgrounds, try lots of approaches, and work on them to
find something that they can relate to. Once we can get them to relate on a common item,
even something irrelevant and mundane, then we can begin to probe." It is a long, complex
process requiring great patience, and more than a little human empathy. It categorically
rejects the use of drugs, coercion, or duress.
Intelligence gleaned from Gitmo is blended with information from other sources to connect
dots. We learned that one non-cooperative detainee had his cover penetrated just last
month by having his photo identified by a freshly captured fighter in Afghanistan. Once
confronted with his real identity, he began to talk.
It is important to keep in mind that these men, while exceedingly dangerous and even
pathological in their desire to kill Westerners, are generally well-educated and broadly
traveled. Several detainees have advanced degrees in law, engineering, and medicine from
American and European schools like the University of London. Others are highly skilled
technical experts with advanced training and knowledge of electronics and demolitions..
(Some of these are contributing to our knowledge of al-Qaeda bombs found in Iraq.) Many of
these men occupied the top al-Qaeda echelons, and met frequently with bin Laden.
A lot of these men came from middle-class or wealthy families. They come from 17 different
countries, but a great many are Saudi Arabian. They are not driven by poverty,
unemployment, or class deprivation. They are motivated by a virulent form of Islam that
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promotes jihad and death to Western civilization. They will kill Americans-including women
and children-without conscience, for they are convinced that restoration of the Islamic
caliphate is their sole mission on this Earth.
Gitmo guards in the crosshairs
Many readers will have heard stories about detainees sleeping in air-conditioned berths,
while the American troops guarding them sweated in tents. You may have heard that American
soldiers were eating MREs while the terrorists dined on three "hots" daily, providing
about 2,600 calories of carefully varied food. Those stories were correct.
Conditions for camp guards have been improved dramatically, however. I ate heartily with
the soldiers and sailors working the camps (the Navy supplies a large number of
experienced Masters at Arms), and learned how they feel about their mission. Universally,
they are proud of their work, although somewhat disappointed that the American public is
not more aware of the difficulties they undergo to keep us safe.
One young woman at my table, an Army private first class, was asked what she thought about
rhetoric in the American media, and from the mouths of elected officials like Senators
Richard Durbin (D-IL) and ~ed Kennedy (D-MA), describing our service members at Guantanamo
as "Nazis." Frowning, she answered, "It hurts my feelings to hear that junk. We try to do
as good a job as possible down here. These detainees are dangerous. They try to kill us
every time we get close to them, and would certainly kill Americans if released."
I asked her if morale was affected by such political statements. "I'll tell you this," she
replied, breaking into a grin. "Every time we get called those names we decide we're going
to show 'em. We focus on our mission and work harder."
Guards pull several days of duty inside the wire, and are then rotated out. They need the
relief from the intense pressure inside. But the time outside is not R&R; training
continues on a constant basis. Gitmo has some of the most detailed and comprehensive
procedural rules in the military. Supervision is constant, random inspections are common,
all supervisors in the chain of command are held responsible for the actions of
subordinates,and soldiers are schooled to report infractions.
The American servicemembers at Guantanamo do not have the satisfaction of tossing a

grenade or shooting back at the terrorists in their midst. They will not be recognized
when awards for valor are bestowed. In the face of vile abuse they must respond with
supreme restraint, aware that even the slightest infraction will draw the fury and
condemnation of hyperbolic politicians and reporters Who loathe our military and want
nothing more than to embarrass and damage American interests in this war.
For defense against irresponsible and slanderous charges, these men and women rely on
ordinary Americans-those of us who rest at home in the shadow of safety they cast.
Former Special Forces lieutenant colonel Gordon Cucullu is a frequent television

commentator on military matters.
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From: rmtld ;
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To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
Cc: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD.PA; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: Analyst Call
here is the rsvp list as of 3:20 pm. mr. whitman has offered his office since both allison's and mr. di rita's are not available.
thanks
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Mr. Jed Babbin. (USAF, JAG)
Dr. James Jay Carafano (LTC, USA, Retired)
Brigadier General David L. Grange (USA, Retired)
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To: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
Cc: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, eIV, OASD-PA;M:nhIM, eIV, OASD·PA
SUbject: Analyst call
Bryan,
per our chat. at the conclusion of our conference call this afternoon with Bg Hemingway, I pUlsed our analysts to see jf
there would be an interest in a 415 pm call today to discuss the 000 response to Katrina (assets being moved into the
region, national guard etc). There was a universal positive response, several said they have been doing radio
interviews throughout the day and have been asked several times, what 000, specifically, is doing.
We are now emaHing out all the analysts an email announcing a tentative call today to discuss 000 I National Guard
response for 415.
At 3 pm we will get everyone the rsvp list.
Thank you.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11: 13 AM
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASO-PA
Cc: Oi Rita, Larry, CIV, OSO-OASD-PA
Subject: RE: please see column below.
fyi - drafted and being reviewed as discussed
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To: rams elV, OASD·PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD·PA
ee: Oi Rita, Larry, av, OSO-OASO-PA
Subject: please see column below.
matthew, frank rich is the latest to compare iraq to vietnam, thus the need to get that comparison oped that we
discussed. know you're working it and appreciate it, thanks. bryan, it would be nice to get the info to the talk radio
folks as well. thanks, folks. eric
New York Times

August 28, 2005
The Vietnamization Of Bush's Vacation

By Frank Rich
ANOTHER week in Iraq, another light at the end of the tunnel. On Monday President Bush saluted the
Iraqis for "completing work on a democratic constitution" even as the process was breaking down yet again.
But was anyone even listening to his latest premature celebration?
We have long since lost count of all the historic turning points and fast-evaporating victories hyped by this
president. The toppling of Saddam's statue, "Mission Accomplished," the transfer of sovereignty and the
purple fingers all blur into a hallucinatory loop of delusion. One such red-letter day, some may dimly recall,
was the adoption of the previous, interim constitution in March 2004, also proclaimed a "historic milestone"
by Mr. Bush. Within a month after that fabulous victory, the insurgency boiled over into the war we have
today, taking, among many others, the life of Casey Sheehan.
It's Casey Sheehan's mother, not those haggling in Baghdad's Green Zone, who really changed the landscape
in the war this month. Not because of her bumper-sticker politics or the slick left-wing political operatives
who have turned her into a circus, but because the original, stubborn fact of her grief brought back the dead
the administration had tried for so long to lock out of sight. With a shove from Pat Robertson, her 15
minutes are now up, but even Mr. Robertson's antics revealed buyer's remorse about Iraq; his stated
motivation for taking out Hugo Chavez by assassination was to avoid "another $200 billion war" to remove
a dictator.
In the wake of Ms. Sheehan's protest, the facts on the ground in America have changed almost everywhere.
The president, for one, has been forced to make what for him is the ultimate sacrifice: jettisoning chunks of
vacation to defend the war in any bunker he can find in Utah or Idaho; In the first speech of this offensive,
he even felt compelled to take the uncharacteristic step of citing the number of American dead in public
(though the number was already out of date by at least five casualties by day's end). For the second, the
White House recruited its own mom, Tammy Pruett, for the president to showcase as an antidote to Ms.
Sheehan. But in a reversion to the president's hide-the-fallen habit, the chosen mother was not one who had
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lost a child in Iraq.
It isn't just Mr. Bush who is in a tight Comer now. Ms. Sheehan's protest was the catalyst for a new national
argument about the war that managed to expose both the intellectual bankruptcy of its remaining supporters
on the right and the utter bankruptcy ofthe Democrats who had rubber-stamped this misadventure in the
first place.
When the war's die-hard cheerleaders attacked the Middle East policy of a mother from Vacaville, Calif.,
instead of defending the president's policy in Iraq, it was definitive proof that there is little cogent defense
left to be made. When the Democrats offered no alternative to either Mr. Bush's policy or Ms. Sheehan's·
plea for an immediate withdrawal, it was proof that they have no standing in the debate.
Instead, two conservative Republicans - actually talking about Iraq instead of Ms. Sheehan, unlike the rest of
their breed - stepped up to fill this enonnous vacuum: Chuck Hagel and Henry Kissinger. Both pointedly
invoked Vietnam, the war that forged ·their political careers. Their timing, like Ms. Sheehan's, was
impeccable. Last week Mr. Bush started saying that the best way to honor the dead would be to "finish the
task they gave their lives for" - a dangerous rationale that, as David Halberstam points out, was heard as
early as 1963 in Vietnam, when American casualties in that fiasco were still inching toward 100.
And what exactly is our task? Mr. Bush's current definition - "as the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down"
could not be a better formula for quagmire. Twenty-eight months after the fall of Saddam, only "a small
number" of Iraqi troops are capable of fighting without American assistance, according to the Pentagon - a
figure that Joseph Biden puts at "fewer than 3,000." At this rate, our 138,000 troops will be replaced by self
sufficient locals in roughly 100 years.
For his part, Mr. Hagel backed up his assertion that we are bogged down in a new Vietnam with an
irrefutable litany of failure: "more dead, more wounded, less electricity in Iraq, less oil being pumped in
Iraq, more insurgency attacks, more insurgents coming across the border, more corruption in the
government." Mr. Kissinger no doubt counts himself a firm supporter of Mr. Bush, but in Washington Post
this month, he drew a damning lesson from Vietnam: "Military success is difficult to sustain unless
buttressed by domestic support." Anyone who can read a poll knows that support is gone and is not coming
back. The president's approval rating dropped to 36 percent in one survey last week.
What's left is the option stated bluntly by Mr. Hagel: "We should start figuring out how we get out of there. "
He didn't say how we might do that. John McCain has talked about sending more troops to rectify our
disastrous failure to secure the country, but he'll have to round them up himself door to door. As the retired
Gen. Barry McCaffrey reported to the Senate, the National Guard is "in the stage of meltdown and in 24
months we'll be coming apart." At the Army, according to The Los Angeles Times, officials are now
predicting an even worse shortfall of recruits in 2006 than in 2005. The Leo Burnett advertising agency has
been handed $350 million for a recruitment campaign that avoids any mention of Iraq.
Among Washington's Democrats, the only one with a clue seems to be Russell Feingold, the Wisconsin
senator who this month proposed setting a "target date" (as opposed to a deadline) for getting out. Mr.
Feingold also made the crucial observation that "the president has presented us with a false choice": either
"stay the course" or "cut and run." That false choice, in which Mr. Bush pretends that the only alternative to
his reckless conduct of the war is Ms. Sheehan's equally apocalyptic retreat, is used to snuff out any
legitimate debate. There are in fact plenty of other choices echoing about, from variations on Mr. Feingold's
timetable theme to buying off the Sunni insurgents.
But don't expect any of Mr. Feingold's peers to join him or Mr. Hagel in fashioning an exit strategy that
might work. If there's a moment that could stand for the Democrats' irrelevance it came on July 14, the day
Americans woke up to learn of the suicide bomber in Baghdad who killed as many as 27 people, nearly all
of them children gathered around American troops. In Washington that day, the presumptive presidential
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candidate Hillary Clinton held a press conference vowing to protect American children from the fantasy
violence of video games. . .
The Democrats are hoping that if they do nothing, they might inherit the earth as the Bush administration
goes down the tubes. Whatever the dubious merits of this Kerryesque course as a political strategy, as a
moral strategy it's unpatriotic. The earth may not be worth inheriting if Iraq continues to sabotage America's
ability to take on Iran and North Korea, let alone Al Qaeda.
As another politician from the Vietnam era, Gary Hart, observed last week, the Democrats are too cowardly
to admit they made a mistake three years ago, when fear of midterm elections drove them to surrender to the
administration's rushed and manipulative Iraq-war sales pitch. So now they are compounding the original
error'as the same hucksters frantically try to repackage the.old damaged goods.
IN the new pitch there are no mushroom clouds. Instead we get McCarthyesque rhetoric accusing critics of
being soft on the war on terrorism, which the Iraq adventure has itself undermined. Before anyone dare say
Vietnam, the president, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld drag in the historian David McCullough and
liken 2005 in Iraq to 1776 in America - and, by implication, the original George W. to ours. Before you
know it, Ahmad Chalabi will be rehabilitated as Ben Franklin.
The marketing campaign will crescendo in two weeks, on the anniversary of 9/11, when a Defense
Department "Freedom Walk" will trek from the site of the Pentagon attack through Arlington National
Cemetery to a country music concert on the Mall. There the false linkage oflraq to 9/11 will be hammered
in once more, this time with a beat: Clint Black will sing "I Raq and Roll," a ditty whose lyrics focus on
Saddam, not the Islamic radicals who actually attacked America. Lest any propaganda opportunity be
missed, Arlington's gravestones are being branded with the Pentagon's slogans for military campaigns, like
Operation Iraqi Freedom, The Associated Press reported last week - a historic first. If only the
administration had thought of doing the same on the fallen's coffins, it might have allowed photographs.
Even though their own poll numbers are in a race to the bottom with the president's, don't expect the
Democrats to make a peep. Republicans, their minds increasingly focused on November 2006, may well
blink first. In yet another echo of Vietnam, it's millions of voters beyond the capital who will force the
timetable for our inexorable exit from Iraq.
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Subject: Meet the press transcript
NBC
Meet the Press
August 28, 2005
TIM RUSSERT: Our issues this Sunday: Iraq, political violence and deaths surge.
This morning, an announcement of a draft constitution, but will all sides accept the
document? And a majority of Americans now say the war was a mistake as demonstrations
build at home. With us, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad.
Then insights and analysis from four retired military generals: General Wesley Clark,
former NATO supreme Allied commander, Europe; General Wayne Downing, former commander in
chief of the U.S. Special Operations Command; General Barry McCaffrey, former commander in
chief of the U.S. Southern Command; and General Montgomery Meigs, former commander of the
NATO Stabilization Force. The war in Iraq, where do we go from here?
Zalmay Khalilzad interview
RUSSERT: But first, this was the scene just hours ago in Baghdad, an announcement of a new
Iraqi constitution. The Shiites in the south, the Kurds in the north have both expressed
their support. But what about the Sunnis? Early this morning, I asked the U.S. ambassador
to Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad, whether any of the 15 Sunni negotiators had signed the draft
constitution.
AMB. ZALMAY KHALILZAD: Later today, there will be a ceremony hosted by the president and I
understand from the president that there will be a significant number of Sunni members of
the constitution commission who will be there.
RUSSERT: You said on this program just two weeks ago, " ... it's very important that the
Sunnis participate in the political process. Without them participating, the insurgency
will have a substantial base of support." Are you confident that the Sunnis will vote for
this constitution before October 15 and it will pass?
AMB. KHALILZAD: Well, that is the real test, whether they will vote for it in large
numbers or not. If the Sunnis do vote for it and approve the constitution, the
constitution is not stopped, then it will be a national compact and it will help with, the
counterinsurgency strategy and with the development of a joint road map for the future of
Iraq. And if they don't, then it will be a problem, put we will have to wait and see.
RUSSERT: Mr. Ambassador, let me read for you and our viewers this morning something that
exists in this draft Constitution. Islam is the official religion of the state, and it is
a main source for legislation. No law can be passed that contradicts the fixed principles
of Islam's rUlings.
Do you believe that the 1,800 American men and women who have Do you believe that the 1800
American men and women who have died in Iraq died for the creation of another Islamic
republic in the Middle East? East?
AMB. KHALILZAD: No. Those were exactly the same words that were in the constitution of
Afghanistan which we celebrated. And also do not forget that immediately after what you
just read, there are two other requirements that the draft mentions, one, that no law can
be against the practices of democracy and also that no law can be in violation of the
human rights enshrined in that constitution. What you have, Tim, is a new consensus
between the universal principles of democracy and human rights and Iraqi traditions in
Islam. And in that, it is an agreement, a compact between the various communities and it
sets a new paradigm for this part of the world, a reconciliation, a consensus between the
various forces and tendencies that are at work here in Iraq.
RUSSERT: As you well know, some secular Iraqi leaders disagree with you in terms of the
effect of the so-called Islamic influences. This is how The New York Times reported it on
Wednesday. "Secular Iraqi leaders complained that the country's nearly finished
constitution lays the groundwork for the possible domination of the country by Shiite
Islamic clerics, and that it contains specific provisions that could sharply curtail the
rights of women. The secular leaders said the draft contains language that not only
establishes the primacy of Islam as the country's official religion, but appears to grant
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judges wide latitude to strike down legislation that may contravene the faith. To
interpret such legislation, the constitution calls for the appointment of experts in
~hariah, or Islamic law, to preside on the Supreme Federal Court. The draft constitution,
these. secular Iraqis say, clears the way for religious authorities to adjudicate personal
disputes like divorce and inheritance matters by allowing the establishment of religious
courts, raising fears that a popularly elected Islamist-minded government could enact
legislation and appoint judges who could turn the country into a theocracy. The courts
would rely on Shariah, which under most interpretations grants women substantially fewer
rights than men."
AMB. KHALILZAD: Well, let me say several things on each of the points that you've raised.
One with regard to women first. This constitution, this draft, recognizes equality between
men and women before the law and disallows any discrimination. It also disallows violence
in the family. I t encourages women's political participation. And it grants a 25 percent
minimum women's representation in dhe National Assembly.
With regard to family law, which is a controversial article, it recognizes the freedom of
choice, that people can choose whi~h law, whether secular or religious, can--will govern
their personal matters having to do with marriage, divorce, inheritance. This is no
different than what is the case in Israel.
With regard to the role of the Supreme Court, I think your comments reflected an earlier
draft. The current draft does not establish a separate constitution review court but gives
the responsibility to the Supreme Court here and it doesn't call for Shariah judges. It
calls for experts in law, which includes expertise in Islamic law, but also expertise with.
regard to democracy and human rights, to be represented in the Supreme Court and it allows
the next parliament to legislate on that.
RUSSERT: So if a Shiite man decides to bring his wife to a Shiite religious court, you
believe that woman will have equal protection?
AMB. KHALILZAD: Well, first, exactly how this will be done will be regulated by law. What
the constitution says is that it's freedom of choice. And it directs the next legislator
to regulate. What I've heard from the conversations that we've had with various members of
the commission is the concern that if someone was of strong faith and wanted to go to a
religious court or to get an affair settled, he should not or she should not be disallowed
from doing that by the state. But how they will do it exactly, that will depend on the
legislature.
I have encouraged many groups who have concern about this that they ought to make this a
campaign issue and run against ideas that they find unacceptable with regard to what their
legislation might be. This is a living document, as all constitutions are, Tim, and as
Iraq evolves and changes, this constitution will also change and adapt to the
circumstances. Our own constitution, as you know, had to change in order to remain
relevant. And this will be the case with Iraq as well, as·it will be the case with other
countries. Constitutions are not just one-time documents. To be relevant, they will have
to adapt.
RUSSERT: Are the Shiite clerical leaders closer to Iran or the United States?
AMB. KHALILZAD: Well, they know that there are differences among them on this. There are
Shiite clerics that are .hostile to the United States and there are Shiite clerics who want
to have a good relationship with the United States. I think talking about millions of
people and talking about thousands of clerics it's difficult to group them and
characterize them with sort of one kind of characterization. Some are close to Iran; there
is no doubt about that as well. Iran is seeking to influence developments here. Some of
the clerics who were oppose to Saddam Hussein were based in Iran. Iranians assisted them.
So there is an Iranian influence. There's no question about that.
RUSSERT; The president has said that American troops will stand down whether Iraqi troops
stand up. How many Iraqi troops do you believe are now fully combat-ready and capable of
replacing Americans on the front lines?
AMB. KHALILZAD: I think that the number of Iraqi forces that can operate entirely
independent of the United States are not very large. But the number of Iraqis that are
participating in combat with differing degrees of American support is very large. And, of
course, over time, more and more Iraqi forces will be able to do things without the United
States. But the fact that they are participating in the combat, even with the help of the
United States, is a step in the right direction. And, of course, the ultimate goal is to
have Iraqis taking care of Iraqi security. And it's not only the question of numbers, it's
not only the question of the quality of .the force, but also these sources have to be
trusted by all Iraqi communities. Building institutions such as army and police and a
judicial system, these are not easy things to do.
RUSSERT: Finally, do you expect an uptick in the violence in the insurgency between now
and October 15?
AMB. KHALILZAD: Well, of course, as you know, the insurgents have declared war on the
constitution. They have declared war on the election. So I will not be surprised if they
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increase violence. They go after people who support the constitution. I understand the
problem particularly with regard to the sunnis who are facing intimidation and worse. They
face difficult choices, a lot of pressure. But it is time for them, for the interests of
their. people, to join the political process. Not everyone loves every article of this
document. Not everyone is totally satisfied. But there is enough in this constitution that
meets the basic needs of all communities and for Iraq to move forward. But I do expect
then that the terrorists and extremists will try their best to intimidate people, to
prevent them--those who support the constitution from voting and to encourage opposition
to this draft.
RUSSERT: Mr. Ambassador, we thank you very much for your views. Be safe.
AMB. KHALILZAD: Well, thank you, Tim. All the best.
RUssERT: coming next, more on the war in Iraq. An in-depth military analysis from four
retired generals, Downing, Meigs, Clark, and McCaffrey. They're next right here coming up
on MEET THE PRESS.
(Announcements)
RUSSERT: A military assessment of the war in Iraq with four retired generals, after this
brief station break.
(Announcements)
Retired generals provide a military analysis of Iraq
RUSSERT: And we are back.

Generals, welcome all. General Clark, let me start with you. You just heard our ambassador
and there are wire reports now the Kurds, the Shiites say this is a good constitution. The
Sunnis, apparently at this point, don't want any part of it. What now?
GEN. WESLEY CLARK: Well, I think it has to be worked in country. I think there's a chance
that this can be worked out. It's a political process. And that's the process we want.
We've got a choice. Are we going to go forward and try to make a political process work or
are we going to let it disintegrate into a civil war? And a lot of it does depend on
American leadership, whether we like it or not. And the ambassador is over there. He's the
man on the point and he's got to do it.
RUSSERT: What happens if the Sunnis do not support this constitution?
GEN. CLARK: Well, it depends on the significance of that lack of support. It may be
dissolved over time. It may be that it crystalizes a Sunni political operation that
empowers them and lets them get greater bargaining leverage. Maybe the constitution gets
modified over time or maybe it breaks up into civil war. All of that's in play.
RUSSERT: General McCaffrey, there's been a lot of discussion about the president·s
comments about when the Iraqi troops stand up, the American troops stand down. You just
heard the ambassador saying there are very few combat-ready Iraqis who could replace
American troops on the front line. Senator Joe Biden, a Democrat from Delaware, said there
are about 3,000 in his estimation, after 28 months of the war. What is your sense? How
many Iraqi troops are there? And when will there be enough Iraqi troops so Americans can
come home?
GEN. BARRY McCAFFREY: Well, Tim, to be honest, I'm usually optimistic about this. I talked
to General George Casey in country and Dave Petraeus, a guy who's actually in charge of
trying to build the Iraqi security forces. My judgment is today there is probably 110
battalions fielded, probably 36 of them are capable of taking a lead in active operations.
But most of them are out there somewhere in the streets or in the rural countryside.
They're a huge factor, and by next summer they're going to be very important. Now having
said that, the key is not training, equipping, and deploying Iraqi security forces. It's
getting a government for which they're willing to fight and die. That's more troublesome.
That's more non-linear. But I actually believe that will probably happen by next summer
also.
RUSSERT: So what's the hard number?
GEN. McCAFFREY: Well, you know, you can say the hard number is 182,000. But more likely
you've got 36 Iraqi battalions right now that are capable of fighting engagements on their
own.
RUSSERT: How many per battalion?
GEN. McCAFFREY: Well, maybe 600, 700. It's a sizable force. It's certainly out in Anbar
province. Right now the Marines have got 15 Iraqi army and police battalions. That's a
huge force and it's going to s tC".rt to make a di f ference.
RUSSERT: Well, maybe that will help shed some light on the following comments, because I
think I'm not alone in being confused by what we're hearing from U.S. military leadership.
This is the front page of The Financial Times on Wednesday. "U.S. General Sees Significant
Withdrawal In Iraq. The U.S. is expected to pull significant numbers of troops out of Iraq
in the next 12 months in spite of the continuing violence, according to the general
responsible for near-term planning. Maj. Gen. Douglas Lute, director of operations at U.S.
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Central Command, said the reductions were part of a push by Gen. John Abizaid, commander
of all U.S. troops in the region, to put the burden of defending Iraq on Iraqi forces.
',We believe at some point, in order to break this dependence on the ... coalition, you
simply have to back off and let the Iraqis step forward. You have to undercut the
perception of occupation in Iraq. It's difficult to do that when you have 150,000-plus,
largely western, foreign troops occupying the country.'"
And then the Associated Press just a week ago: "The U.S. Army is planning for the
possibility of keeping the current number of soldiers in Iraq--well over lOO,OOO--for four
more years, the top Army general said of Peter Schoomaker." And then this, "The top U.S.
military leader in Iraq [Gen. George Casey] said there could be substantial withdrawals of
the 135,000 U.S. troops in the country as early as next spring.
General Downing, what's going on?
GEN. WAYNE DOWNING: Well, I think what you're seeing here, Tim, is the people in country-
this is the General Casey, General John Binds--they're weighing out the requirements on
how many forces are actually needed. Then it's up to the Marine Corps and the Army to
satisfy those force requirements. I think what you're seeing here with General Schoomaker
is he knows the future is very uncertain, that we're not going to withdraw troops on any
kind of a time line. We're going to withdraw these troops, Tim, based on the conditions.
One of the key conditions is going to be the stand-up of the Iraqi army. As Barry pointed
out, 36 good battalions now. A year ago, we only had one. Maybe three times that, maybe
108, 110 battalions ready by next summer. That would indicate that there's a possibility
that you could start pulling U.S. forces out at that time. So I think what you're seeing
here are these generals playing--each one of them playing their roles. I personally don't
think anybody is going to move out of there in any kind of sizable numbers for another
year or two years.
RUSSERT: Keep the current force of 135,000?
GEN. DOWNING: I think. that's what it's going to take.
RUSSERT: General Meigs, Peter Baker in The Washington Post wrote that the U.S. has given
up hope of defeating the insurgency with U.S. forces, that it's going to take the Iraqis a
step forward. Robin Wright, in The Washington Post, said that American officials have
determined that they cannot defeat what could only diminish the insurgency and we will not
leave a day before it's necessary, but it may be a day before that's necessary for us. Is
there a sense amongst the military leadership of this country that we cannot, in fact,
defeat the insurgency as it exists and that it's perhaps time to start winding down the
war?
GEN. MONTGOMERY MEIGS: No. Look, the key point here is the Iraqis have to defeat the
insurgency. It's the Iraqi tribal leaders and the security force that are now being
produced that have to control this problem. We have to help them. We have to create a safe
and secure environment that would allow those units to become capable, but the commanders
I talk to that are coming back from Iraq talk about the progress they have made in their
sectors. And when I ask senior Army officials who are longtime friends who aren't going to
give me a BS answer how we're doing, "Are we winning or losing?" they're saying, "We're
winning." But i t ' s slow, hard going 'in an insurgency. It always has been. It always will
be.
RUSSERT: Are we winning?
GEN. McCAFFREY: Well, probably the wrong question to be honest, Tim. I think the real
question at hand is: What will happen in the constitutional process? Will there be a
successful referendum? Will we get a vote in December? Will there be a legitimate
government? If there won't be, we're in trouble by next summer. I personally think we
can't sustain this current rate of deployment much longer than by next fall. We've got to
draw down the 17 brigades in my judgment probably down to around 10.
RUSSERT: The fall of '06.
GEN. McCAFFREY: The fall of '06. So we'd better be doing pretty well next summer; we,
meaning the Iraqis got a government, they got a security force and are starting to pUll it
together. I think that's likely to happen. This ambassador, Khalilzad, the team we've got
on the ground is pretty astute. John Abizaid, you know, our Arabic-speaking CENTCOM
commander, I think has a pretty good feel for it. So I don't sense despair inside the U.S.
armed forces at all.
RUSSERT: General Clark, you wrote an op-ed piece for The Washington Post on Friday and I
want t6 cite it and come back and talk about it. "Before It's Too Late in Iraq. The
growing chorus of voices demanding a pullout should seriously alarm the Bush
administration, because President Bush and his team are repeating the failure o~ Vietnam:
failing to craft a realistic and infective policy and instead simply demanding that the
American people show resolve. Resolve isn't enough to mend a flawed approach--or to save
the lives of our troops. If the 'administration won't adopt a winning strategy, then the
American people will be justified in demanding that it bring our troops home."
GEN. CLARK: Exactly. And it starts with the intent and the purposes, the mind-set of the
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administration when it went into Iraq. This administration went into Iraq as this was the
first of a number of states that it was going to knock off, ,get leadership change in,
maybe even move military forces against. They expected to be welcomed as liberators. Then
they r~fused to really construct a diplomatic dialogue in the region. For us to succeed in
Iraq, we've got to deal with Iraq's neighbors. You cannot isolate Iraq from its
neighborhood. Iraq's neighbors are part of the problem, and they've got to be part of the
solution. That means we~re going to have to talk to Syria and Iran and Turkey and Kuwait
and Saudi Arabia, and the best thing to do is to try to get them all together in a step
by-step process so that there can be a regional dialogue. If we can put a regional
dialogue together on top of the political process that's going on in Iraq, then maybe
we've got a chance. Without that, then it's in the interest of everyone of those states
to fight inside Iraq for their own interests. So the Iranians pull their faction in Iraq
one way. The Syrians and the Saudis work on the Sunnis to do what they want. And this
state is getting ripped apart from the outside. We want to help put that state together,
we've got to work with Iraq's neighbors.
RUSSERT: why is it in Iran or Syria's interests to help us? Why not let the current status
quo continue and they can take full advantage of , having a radical Islamic state in Iraq,
which is fueled by terrorism who can help destroy the United States?
GEN. CLARK: Well, it's up to U.S. diplomacy to find those elements of common interest. And
here's the way I'd it. If you look at Iran, what they want is a Shia-dominated buffer
state in Iraq. After all, they were invaded by Iraq once. They see this as an historic
opportunity to advance the cause of Shia Islam. That's exactly what the Saudis and the
Kuwaitis and other Gulf states don't want. And so between those two diverging points of
views, we could pull together the common interests, broker the compromises, work the
arrangements, and craft a state in Iraq that meets everybody'S concerns in the regions and
gives the Iraqi people the kind of self-determination and regional support that they're
going to need.
RUSSERT: Was it a mistake to go into Iraq?
GEN. CLARK: Well, I think it was a strategic blunder. First it wasn't connected to the war
on terror, at least not to the people that struck us. Secondly, it has proved a huge
recruitment tool for al-Qaeda. It's a feed lot for terrorists who want to learn how to
fight Americans. We put our American soldiers at risk there. And we're producing
terrorists out there. It's a training ground. And seeing American soldiers engaged there
just raises the temperature and the blood pressure throughout the Islamic world. So I wish
we hadn't done it. But having said that, I still believe there's an opportunity to make
the best of a bad situation in Iraq. I don't want to see us come out of there if we can
put a strategy together that will leave that region more peaceful and protect our
interests and the interests of the other nations.
RUSSERT: Would Iraq have been more stable with Saddam Hussein?
GEN. CLARK: I think we could have worked against Saddam Hussein in a different way. We
hadn't exhausted the diplomatic process. We hadn't finished squeezing him. There were lots
of different moves we could have put on Saddam Hussein and maintained the focus on
Afghanistan, where we've still got significant problems. We really haven't addressed the
issues of Pakistan yet. We really haven't worked the whole arrangement of militant
Wahabism coming out of Saudi Arabia, the funding, the ideology. If we're going to succeed
in the war on terror, we have to succeed first on an ideological basis. It's about
persuading people that they don't want to feel this way and that they shouldn't feel this
way. It's about changing minds before it's about killing people.
RUSSERT: All of you have had distinguished military careers, leading men into war. We now
have a majority of the American people saying this war is a mistake. General Downing, how
long can you conduct a war that is not supported by a majority of the American people?
GEN. DOWNING: Well, Tim, you absolutely have to have the support of the American people.
And the troops that we have in Afghanistan and Iraq right now feel this very, very
strongly. They want the support. Quite frankly, I think one of the problems that we're
having is that the news media, the opposition to the war are framing this entire
discussion in the terms of casualties and casualties only. I think what we don't have is a
serious discussion about why you take those casualties.
We're not out there roaming the roads in Iraq and Afghanistan, looking for IEDs to blow
up. Everything we're doing in a military campaign, both the U.S., the coalition and the
Iraqi forces, are aimed at objectives. And those objectives are to promote the political
process, number one, because what we're doing, Tim--for the last six weeks we've been
doing this--we're preparing for the election in the middle of October--I mean, the
referendum on the constitution and then the following one, the election in December to
ratify it.
The other things we're doing is we're supporting the economic development of that country
and the social development. That's why these military operations are going on. And I
really think that it's incumbent upon you and the others and the responsible American
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press to put the casualties into these kind of context. In other words, what is it that
they're accomplishing? I mean, can you imagine us and, you know, it's been quoted out
there in the Web, judging the D-Day invasion of Normandy back in 1944 by the casualties
that were suffered?
RUSSERT: But those opposed to the war will say there's no comparison between World War II
and Iraq; that one was a war of choice and one was a war of necessity. Those opposed to
the war will say that we entered this war on the rationale of weapons of mass destruction
that do not exist. Those who oppose the war will say that the number of troops that were
necessary to conduct the war and the level of armament was woefully inadequate. And that
it is--and that we would be greeted as liberators. None of those things have happened. And
it's time to take the troops home because this was a tragic blunder.
GEN. MEIGS: Tim, it doesn't matter. We're there. We lanced the boil. We're there. We have
Salafist penetration into this situation in a very-hard core Sunni insurgency and a
critical point in the Middle East, for fit goes south, if we get a civil war between
Sunnis and Shias, international markets will be affected. Our role' as an international
leader will be affected. We'll have a huge strategic problem. So having pushed Humpty
Dumpty off the wall, which I would agree was untimely, the Pottery Barn rule applies. We
have got to leave this as a stable situation. We cannot afford to pullout here
prematurely.
RUSSERT: Does that mean putting in more troops, if necessary?
GEN. MEIGS: It means doing whatever's required strategically to ensure that we get an
Iraqi government and an Iraqi security services that can run a reasonable country that's
constituent-based.
RUSSERT: Do we have more troops to put in there if need be?
GEN. MEIGS: If we had to surge troops, we could. It wouldn't be easy but we could, yes.
RUSSERT: General MCCaffrey, you said this two weeks ago: "It's a race against time because
by the end of this coming summer we can no longer sustain the presence we have now. This
thing, the wheels are coming off it. The American people are walking away from this war."
You were involved in Vietnam. How long can you conduct a war without the support of the
majority of the American people?
GEN. McCAFFREY: Well, remember, I was one that supported the intervention in Iraq and
Afghanistan from the start. I thought the president was right when he went in. I still
feel that way. Now, having said that, armies don't fight wars, countries fight wars. So
without the support of the American people, this thing will come to a grinding halt rather
quickly. I think part--I actually agree with Wayne Downing's views. We havenit put the
strategic argument in the right context in the public. However, you know, I pulled out a
quote, 24 August news conference, Secretary Rumsfeld: "Throughout history there's always
been those that predict America's failure just around every corner." And he goes on to
talk about "many Western intellectuals praised Stalin during the period of World War II."
For God's sakes, Tim, you know, we have to have this argument set up in a respectful
manner to the American people. We have had 16,000 killed and wounded, $200 billion. It's a
very difficult situation. And I think some of the happy talk and spin coming out of the
Pentagon leadership is part of the president's problem.
RUSSERT: Do you believe that Secretary Rumsfeld should stay in his current position?
GEN. McCAFFREY: Well, I don't think I have a legitimate viewpoint to express on that
thing. I think many people argue that his misjudgments have put -us in a serious difficult
position. r think the intervention, as Wes Clark says, was badly done. You know, I go over
there and look at these soldiers and Marines in combat right now and Navy SEALs. They're
the best kids we ever had in uniform-or don't think that's an overstatement in term of
courage and commitment--but they've got to be backed up by the American people, by the
Congress and by the pentagon with more sensible policies and adequate resources and we
don't have that right now.
GEN. CLARK: Tim, and if I could just-or just want to come in on one thing here. You got us
here as military experts. But if you ask any of the top leaders, they will tell you that
the country has a responsibility. The president has a responsibility. This administration
has a responsibility diplomatically in the region. One of my greatest heartburns with this
operation is we dumped the responsibility on our uniformed services over there for doing
this. We haven't carried the load diplomatically in the region.
Now, everyone of us who serve in top positions knows that there has to be hand-in-glove
teamwork between military force, diplomacy, economic power and informational power. This
administration has relied excessively on the courage and skill of the men and women in
uniform. It doesn't want to talk to the people in Iran. It doesn't want to talk to Syria.
It doesn't want to do the hard work and heavy lifting of diplomacy because of domestic
politics at' home. And I think it's time we said it. You know, I just can't stand to see
the sacrifices men and women in uniform and their families make when this administration
won't lift its finger the right way diplomatically to give them the help they need to
succeed in Iraq.
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RUSSERT: You have this concern about diplomacy. General MCCaffrey, yOU raised a concern
about misjudgments made. Anthony Zinni, a man you know well, had this to say--he's the
former head of the U.S. Central Command. He sayS that "Rumsfeld has turned the nation's
top m~litary officials into 'Stepford generals,' who have aequiesced in a transfer of
power from uniformed officers to the Pentagon's civilian managers . . . . 'We have a very
strong-willed secretary. We went into a war where he took away a lot of the prerogatives
of the military, made some military decisions on troop strength and postwar planning, and
they did not do well to say the least. ,II
Do you agree with General Zinni?
GEN. DOWNING: Well, that's a--that's a--that's a very controversial statement. The people
that I know in the building, Tim, in the Pentagon say that Secretary Rumsfeld is a very
aggressive, very, very tough leader, but you can talk to him. Certainly there were
decisions made during the Iraq War, Tim, that were probably ones that we wish we could--we
could relive. You know, when you--when you do a war plan, you probably make 50
assumptions, and if five of them go bad, that's OK, because--providing you recognize you
made a bad assumption and you react to it. And I think there's a lot of truth in the fact
that we probably wasted the first 12 months in Iraq because we didn't plan enough for post
hostilities. But ...
RUSSERT: I think what you're saying, General ...
GEN. DOWNING: But what is--yeah.
RUSSERT: Let's just stop right here, because this is very important. We have four military
generals on this table. You're saying we wasted the first months. General Clark is
saying ...
GEN. DOWNING: First year.
RUSSERT: First year.
GEN. DOWNING: Yeah.
RUSSERT: General Clark is saying that there has been not the necessary diplomatic
research. General McCaffrey said there have been misjudgments made. Some people will say
declare that you're armchair quarterbacks; armchair generals. But you're four men with
vast experience and you're coming to some very harsh judgments about the execution of this
war and its process.
GEN. DOWNING: But the fact is, is they've made the adjustments. And by the way, I'm not an
apologist for the administration. I'm not a member of the administration, although I was.
But they've made the adjustments. I don't agree with Wes on the diplomatic tracks, because
I think the diplomatic tracks are being pursued except not in a visible way. The other
thing you've got to realize, Tim, is what we're doing in Iraq is a revolution, and one of
the reasons this--that we're having trouble with this in this region is if a democratic
Iraq arises, it is going to change the landscape of that entire region. It is the most
strategic country from the Mediterranean out to Afghanistan. And if we're able to produce
this democracy, which by the way I think we are, it may not be an American democracy, but
it's going to be an Arab democracy. This is going to be a watershed effect which is going
to affect an entire region.
RUSSERT: It's going to be an Islamic state. by the--by the wording of its own
constitution.
GEN. DOWNING: There are other Islamic states. Turkey is an Islamic state. Malaysia is an-
is an Islamic state. Indonesia are Islamic states. These are all states which are
acceptable to us and acceptable to the world.
GEN. CLARK: Tim, I'd like to go back there ...
RUSSERT: Who will have--I'll get there. Who'll have more influence with Iraq: Iran or the
United States?
GEN. DOWNING: I do not think it's going to be Iran. And I think one of the things you're
seeing with this federation is the ability to protect the minorities of those countries,
both Sunni and Kurdish. And one of the things that's lacking from this entire equation,
Tim, is trust. This is a country that has no history of trust in any kind of a political
process, you know, and we're judging this with 230, 250 years of experience with
democracy. This is the first time these people have actually done this and, you know--and
I really think that they will grow into this thing and this constitution, whatever it's
going to be. Arid by the way, it's going to be ratified, and it's probably going to be
accepted because the numbers tell you that. I think this overall will be good for the
country once they establish trust.
RUSSERT: Go ahead. General.
GEN. CLARK: Two points. First, when generals are given senior command positions and
they've had their entire lives and professional education in the military, they're
expected to have a body of professional knowledge and character that lets them stand up
for what they believe. So we have a principle of civilian supremacy. No one doubts that
the secretary of defense is ultimately in charge. He's going to make the right decision or
he's going to make the right decision as he sees it. It's up to the generals. If they feel
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he's making the wrong decision, they fight it. If they feel it's that significant, th~n
they retire or resign from their POsition. Nobody's done that. So whatever the thrash~ng
qround was, they are complicit in that decision, in those decisions. Whether they turn out
to haye been bad or not, that was military advice. .
Now, we've all been in positions where we've disagreed with our bosses, and it turns out,
you know, bosses normally don't like that, so it's a pretty unpleasant thing, and you've
got to have people of character in uniform at high positions, and then you've got to trust
the process. In this case, I don't think the answers that came out of that process were
good.
Secondly, with regard to diplomacy, I've talked to members on the NSC staff. I know
they're not doing the diplomacy. Going to the Iranians and asking them not to help their
side is not the kind of contact I'm talking about. I'm talking about having something like
a contact group which we set up in the Balkans at the diplomatic level, at the
representational level, in public where you can get nations' interests out on the table,
where you can talk about regional issues, including trade and travel, you know, tourism,
visiting Najaf, where the airport are going to be. All of these are regional concerns, and
they need to be dealt with in an open fashion.
It's not just about cutting off the supply of weapons or the flow of jihaddists, although
that's part of it. This administration needs to bite the bullet and say, "Look, we're in a
part of the world where there are going to be people that we wouldn't necessarily run
their countries the way they're doing it. But they are the governments, and we're going to
talk to them even if we don't agree with everything they say." It's up to us find areas of
common interest and try to work this.
RUSSERT: We're at a critical stage in this war by everyone's estimation. And, General
Downing, you raised the role of the media. There was widespread discussion about the role
of the media in Vietnam, the media lost the war and so forth, but we're in a situation now
where Cindy Sheehan, who lost a son, has encamped herself down in Crawford, Texas, is
coming to Washington. There are anti-war demonstrations throughout the country. The
reconstruction of the c9untry has not occurred on pace. Money that was supposed to be used
for reconstruction is being used to help secure the country. General Meigs, General
McCaffrey, everybody, we in the media are covering the reality. Are we not obligated to do
that even though it may not, in fact, "encourage," quote, unquote, the American people to
support the war effort?
GEN. MEIGS: Wrong question, Tim. Look, there is a very complicated phenomenon here, and we
in the media tend to go to the extremes. We tend to go to the most controversial, the most
exciting event. So the problem is, in an insurgency, progress comes from dogged, hard,
sweaty, dangerous work. It's very slow business. And it's hard to get the complexities of
this kind of an operation into soundbites and above the full paragraphs. It's very
difficult work. That is compounded by the fact that reporters down range have a very
difficult time getting out of that Green Zone and getting down into the grass roots of
what's going on politically. So the frustration I have as a former soldier is I will talk
to people who've just returned from Vietnam. And you saw Chris Matthew's "Hardball"
program. There are commanders ...
GEN. McCAFFREY: Iraq.
GEN. MEIGS: ... Iraq--there are commanders who believe very strongly that their soldiers
have made tremendous progress on the ground in their sectors. Better human intelligence.
Better cooperation from Sunnis. Better hit rates in going around and policing of
insurgents. Better use of technology to trump what this very innovative enemy is doing.
You don't read about these things in the major newspapers that should have a
sophistication to cover them. You generally don't get that in the TV media.
Now, yes, absolutely the fourth estate has to cover the problem. It's got to cover the bad
news as well as the good, but a lot of the really constructive stories that are coming out
of this war never make i t above the fold.
RUSSERT: Is it because, in your mind, that the notion of weapons of mass destruction or
major combat operations are over, of many of those things that the media had been told
proved to be incorrect?
GEN. MEIGS: I think we are all citizens frustrated by the fact that the precepts upon
which this war was ostensibly based proved to be wrong. And I think the historians will
tear that apart when the proper documents are finally declassified in a decade or two.
RUSSERT: I want to give you each a minute and explain the best you can, based on all your
experiences and judgment, what Iraq will look like one year from'now.
GEN. McCAFFREY: A pretty good news story. I think you'll have an act of V1C10US insurgency
going on in Anbar province. You'll have assassinations and trouble throughout the mixed
Sunni-Shia areas. You'll have the economy coming along strong. You'll have some form of
government operationally. You'll have a huge Iraqi security force out in the field. And
yOU'll see a drawdown of a third or so of U.S. military forces starting in about another
year.
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RUSSERT: But we'll still be at about 100,000?
GEN. McCAFFREY: Yeah, probably.
RUSSERT: What do you see a year from now?
GEN. ~LARK: Continuing political disagreements, strong insurgency, strong terrorist
movement, a drawdown in U;S. forces, an administration that claims success, continuing
concerns about the Islamization of the political process in Iraq, growing encroachments on
Iraqi sovereignty from neighboring states and continuing efforts as the United States
starts to pullout, other nations start to go in. Iraq's on the fault line between Shia
and Sunni Islam. And we can't fix that. We've got to help fix it and we won't. I don't see
this administration making the diplomatic effort required. So what I see is they're doing
a minimalist job trying to put a papier-mache government together and use that with the
training of forces and then try to pullout forces here in time for the 2006 elections. I
think, you know, the question is five years and 10 years down the line. This would be a
government that we won't be--it'll be a state that we won't necessarily be proud of having
created.
RUSSERT: General Downing?
GEN. DOWNING: Well, Tim, 12 of 16 provinces, which is two-thirds of the country, are going
to be peaceful and are going to have great development. I think two of the three Sunni
provinces are going to come around. I think Al Anbar province, which is from Baghdad on
out to the Iraqi border around AI-Khem, is still going to be a pest, though. I think we're
still going to have this link of the jihadists coming in from Syria and some of the former
Ba'athists using this as a base area. I do think that in another year or 15 months, we're
going to be able to start taking the U.S. forces down somewhat, because I think the Iraqi
forces are going to be in strength of about 150,000 of both police and army. So I'm very,
very positive. And I'm giving you this without any political motive. You know, I'm giving
you this as a military analyst. But speaking from the fact that military operations are
conducted for larger ends, not for ends of themselves--political, social, economic--I
think this thing is going to go the right way.
RUSSERT: General Meigs?
GEN. MEIGS: I am pretty much on the same ground with Barry and Wayne. I think that we'll
see pol--ha.lting, difficult, problematic political progress. I disagree that we'll not be
proud of the results. I worry that the administration will start perhaps pressuring
drawdown numbers, which is why I hate to see round numbers go on the table, and try to get
to a premature withdrawal of brigades.
RUSSERT: Why? Because of the 2006 election?
GEN. MEIGS: Well, because wear and tear on the Army costs and the election, obviously. I
hope that doesn't happen. I think they're listening the commanders on the ground. And
that's the key to this thing.
RUSSERT: There's been a lot of discussion about the impact, the effect of this war on the
U.S. military. They now acknowledge, those who are involved in recruitment, that this is a
very difficult recruiting year and perhaps the next several years, not only for the Guard
Reserve but rank and file military. What has the war in Iraq done to the U.S. military?
GEN. CLARK: I think it's given the people in the military a chance to really show how good
they are. It's built a lot of teamwork. It's hurt. A lot of people have suffered both
physically and family-wise. And we're losing junior officers. We're losing NCOs. But I
never bet against the United States Army. We've got an incredible group of men and women
in that force. They are going to hold with us. And they will be there as long as the
country needs them.
RUSSERT: Is the volunteer Army at risk?
GEN. McCAFFREY: No, not at all. I don't think so. I think--I agree with Wes completely.
This is the toughest, strongest, bravest Army we've ever fielded. When I say Army--Marine
Corps, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard team along with it. Special Operations capability is
absolutely phenomenal. The military won't be the cause of failure. Having said that, we're
going to damage fatally the National Guard if we try and continue using Reserve components
at this rate. Forty percent of that force in Iraq right now is Reserve component. We have
shot the bull. We've got to back off and build an Army and Marine Corps capable of
sustaining these operations.
RUSSERT: That means increase the size?
GEN. McCAFFREY: Absolutely. And get the incentives out of Congress. You know, thank God,
we now hear Senator John McCain, Chuck Hagel, Jack Reed, Duncan Hunter, talking about
bringing to bear the resources we need to build an adequate force.
GEN. MEIGS: Well, we need to be realistic about this. The Army has to recruit 80,000
people a year or we're going to be short somewhere between 2,000 and 8,000. The Army has
moved 30,000 spaces from non-combat to combat. That's a division equivalent--four or five
brigade equivalent. That's new units coming out, combat units coming out. The Army's
authorized to have 512,000 out until '09. We can't try to build an Army we can't afford
and we can't man.
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RUSSERT: That will have to be the last word. To be continued. Generals, thank you all for
a most interesting, insightful discussion.
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PIs send it to Bryan as soon as you see it. Thanks.

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Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 9:47 AM
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Subject: Fw: Sunday Shows
Let's put together some ideas that include a pentagon briefing, some hill time, and some
targeterd stuff. Also, analysts, perhaps in the bldg where they can see secdef/cjcs, too.
Tnx
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To: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA <larry.dirita@ijfiWni

CC: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA <Bryan.Whitman@hSihi
Sent: Sun Aug 28 09:40:52 2005
Subject: RE: Sunday Shows
I'm changing command here on 8 Sep, Larry, and then head to Afghan at the SECDEF's request
(to look at the train/equip program there) for about a week. Should be home on or about
the 16th. Guess we could do London, but the logistics of it would be tough, frankly, as
we'll have a fair amount of stuff and had planned to hop C-130s and C-17s most of the way.
But if it's key, am willing to do it.
The only other item I'm considering at present is an AEI panel on 3 Oct. (Am also
committed to a speech to Army JAG officers in Charlottesville on 6 Oct, but that's
preaching to the choir and without press.) Have also done Charlie Rose before and might
be willing to do that again.
Best - Dave
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Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 5:07 PM
To: Petraeus, David LTG/09
Cc: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
Subject: Re: Sunday Shows
Dave-thanks for what you did with the generals.

I don't think we need to be too aggressive with your sked, but if we are smart we can
cover things with a handful of thoughtful activities.
I can call you at your convenience and we can discuss, but I think I'll have bryan put
together an outline of the things that might make sense and get it to you.
When do you plan to be back in u.s.?

One thing, if possible en route, would be a forum we (dod) sponsors in london that is of
the record but involves a very good collection of journalists for a roundtable discussion.
Abizaid has done it, among others, and it really helps.
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We can discuss the eaches once we sketch it out. It would help to know your dates.
Best ....
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Larry, thanks for the head's up and trying to make those points. Talked to GEN McCaffrey,
and am Emailing GEN Downing (who Emailed me). Will call GEN Meigs. GEN McC, frankly, has
some bomb chucker ideas that I tried to temper, but I'm not sure I succeeded. (Told him
for ex that we got $5.7B this yearl)
Would be happy to have Bryan develop a plan for my return and work with me directly. Do
have some leave plans and things I need to do (including seeing my father for the first
time since Iraq started), so would appreciate not too ambitious a program. Did send up
one plan, which was returned; then sent another which I thought had been forwarded. In
any event, something that's modest is best, I think. (Have done a couple of things here,
including an intv with Jane Arraf that we think came our pretty well.) Maybe he and I can
talk directly ...
Best - Dave
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SUbject: Re: Sunday Shows
Dave .... if you have not already spoken to these guys, one of the things you might want to
be mindful of·is that some of these retired military analysts are trying to have it both
ways.
They want to be extremely critical of the policy, of the secdef and his supposed bad
plans, but very supportive of their fellow generals.
I appreciate the impulse, but it's crappy and it ultimately undermines the public's
confidence across the board to see this relentless misinformation about how things would
be better if rumsfeld would give the generals what they need in iraq.
It's b.s., and you might want to help these guys better understand the situation in this
regard.
P.s .... Still have not seen a workable proposal for a contact plan for you. Great
interest in one. I got a list of interview requests you or someone has approved, bbut
that is just one element of a plan. Can I ask bryan w. to develop one and work with you
directly? Tnx
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Will do, Bryan, thanks -
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Sent: Sat 8/27/2005 6:24 AM
To: Petraeus, David LTG/09; Petraeus, David LTG/09
Cc: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD; Larry DiRita (ldirita@~n~ft~~1~3~""
Subject: Sunday shows
Dave,
I noticed that Meigs, Downing and McCaffrey are each appearing on various Sunday Shows
this weekend. If you had the time, I'm sure they would appreciate hearing from you and
getting a current update on the status of your efforts in training security forces. If
past experience is any indication, it really helps their commentary if they have the
opportunity to spend a few minutes to hear from somebody who is actually out there doing
it.
I've attached some contact numbers for each of them if you are inclined to engage. If I
can be of any assistance, please don't hesitate to let me know. Thanks for your
consideration.
Regards,
Bryan
DASD (Media Operations)

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Larry,
You want me to send Dave a note asking him if he would be willing?
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Subject:
I notice that monty meigs, wayne downing, and mccaffrey are on Sunday shows
I wonder if it would make sense to see if general petreaus were willing to speak with them
between now and then?
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Not a bad idea. That a tough group and as you know have not been very supportive before.
If everyone thinks it is a good idea I can send the thought downrange. I will have to
find contact info for those guys.
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Sorry, meant to also answer you -- YES, I think we should connect them with LTG Petreaus...
VIr,
Frank
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And I think we should make sure that they get transcripts of CJCS press conference today...
Frank Thorp
Captain, USN
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From: JedBabbin~
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 20054:53 PM
To: Ruff, Eric. SES. OASD-PA
SUbject: Re: Interviews for China Book
Bless you, my friend. Many thanks.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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SUbject: RE: Interviews for China Book
We will get him started with the right folks in Policy.

sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 4: 16 PM
To: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA
Subject: FW: Interviews for China Book
this is the essence of what jed is trying to get into. he's provided a fairly detailed roadmap. thanks.
From: JedBabbin@fj5flatl [mailto:JedBabbin@mmDI
sent: Thursday, August 25,20054:12 PM
To: eric.ruff@hMfflW
Subject: Interviews for China Book
Eric: As we've discussed a bit, I'm writing a new book for Regnery about China, its military buildup, and the
likelihood that we will, at some time in the next decade, be in a shooting war with them. The manuscript is due
in late November so I'm eager to get as much going as soon as I can.(The deadline is subject to revision if
SECDEF makes a trip to China and I get to join the group accompanying him).
I will characterize China as a regional superpower (which, I hope, is not an oxymoron). It is, I think, not a "peer
competitor" of the United States, but on the verge of being a "peer antagonist." The book will present a strategic
picture, a discussion of Chinese military/political doctrine, using the new 000 report, "The Military Power of
the People's Republic of China 2005" as a starting point. The book will also set forth about five scenarios on
how a war is most likely to break out and how it might be fought.
To best do this, I would greatly appreciate your help in arranging interviews with senior 000 officials to discuss
these principal questions:
1. Is there a Sino-Russian military alliance? Some analysts think so. The recent joint exercises -- coupled with
Chinese purchase of all sorts of top Russian weapon systems -- indicate something more than just a thawing of
Cold War-era hostility;
2. How unified is the Chinese government? Is it factionalized, and how much power does Hu Jintao have
personally? How dangerous to them is the increasing unrest among the populace? It seems too small to portend
much real instability.
3. The "24-character strategy": How do our strategists 'and policy makers deal with the emphasis on deception
and concealment?
4. This year's QDR is aimed, in significant part, at Chinese intentions and capabilities. Why? In top-level
terms, what does that mean for our force structure, especially weapon system development? How did SECDEF
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express his (and the president's) concerns in the terms of reference to the QDR?
5~ Space and counter-space: Chinese investment in weapons to reduce or destroy our satellite
nav/comm/defense structure seems enormous. What's our answer to an enormous vulnerability?
6. The most far-out scenario is one based on the "Unrestricted Warfare" book by Liang and Xiangsui. A war
that could destroy America without a shot fired, an aircraft leaving the ground or a ship leaving port. Cyberwar,
and counter-cyber war. Hackers -- and not just the government organized Chinese hackers -- seem to be able to
access all but our most highly-protected systems. How are we dealing with this vulnerability?
7. The Chinese seem to be adopting our "network-centric" warfare. How well are they doing it, and what's the
answer to it? and
8. Is China involved in nuclear/other WMD proliferation? Did they cooperate with the AQ. Khan network?
Are they encouraging North Korean missile and weapons proliferation?
I realize some of these questions may require answers I'm not going to get. And I know of one particular gent
over there who doesn't answer hypothetical questions. I hope to interview him, and promise to avoid same.
Many thanks in advance for all the help. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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rim. in case you need it. thanks.

Copyright 2005 Fox News Network, LLC.
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SHOW: THE O'REILLY FACTOR 8:37 PM EST
August 23, 2005 Tuesday
TRANSCRIPT: 082305cb.256
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HEADLINE: Strategies for Winning in Iraq
BYLINE: Bill O'Reilly, Bill Cowan, David Hunt
BODY:
O'REILLY: Thanks for staying with us. I'm Bill O'Reilly.
In the "Unresolved Problem" segment tonight, winning the war in Iraq. Some Americans don't believe that can
be done. I disagree. And so do two FOX News military analysts. Joining us now from Washington, Lieutenant
Colonel Bill Cowan and from Boston, Colonel David Hunt.
Now, we might tell everybody we saw you guys a few weeks ago, that you came in with very pessimistic
assessments oflraq as it stands now. Both of you did. And I'm sure you both know the Pentagon didn't like that,
all right? They watched that report. You both got grief, I'm sure, and your e- mails burned off.
But you were honest, in my opinion. You brought in what was going on over th~re. I don't think anybody can
put a happy face on the military situation at this point. You can't go out for a cup of coffee in Baghdad. It's tough
to get from the airport into Baghdad on the airport road. Things are dicey over there.
But now tonight I want to put forth in very simple terms so even I can understand it, colonels, how you think the
war can be won. Colonel Hunt, we'll start with you. Go.
COL. DAVID HUNT, U.S. ARMY: Yes, in a college football game, you fire football coaches for losing
seasons. It's time to fire some people. I'd fire three .- one CIA, one State Department, one military four star and
above. The CIA is only rotating every 90 days their personnel. That guy is fired. The State Department only 90
days. .
And the military is not working. I'd put a four-star general in charge, Schoomaker, bring him a chief of staff of
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the Army's job or Jim Jones, the NATO commander. And no, they didn't call me and suggest it. These are two
fighters, two killers, and it needs to be done.
Put more Special Forces on the ground. Put two Army divisions up north to stop the infiltration. The State
Department have a meeting with the surrounding countries. One more citizen of your country kills one of our
guys, we're going to blow up a building in your city and have an F-18 fly over that meeting. No more games.
Start the Phoenix program as we did in Vietnam.
Again disband all militias, the Iraqi police are using militias. And guess what, Iran is supporting a militia in the
south. I'll let Bill get some more. It's outrageous; it needs to stop now.
O'REILLY: All right. But I don't understand some of what you said there, Colonel Hunt, which is not unusual
for me, so please be patient. All right. Ninety-day rotations, what does that mean? All right? What does...
HUNT: Bill, got to talk about also the State Department and Central Intelligence Agency are rotating their
people every 90 days in Iraq. Our guys, the military is spending a year to 15 months.
O'REILLY: All right. So they need to stay there longer, correct?
HUNT: A hundred percent right.
O'REILLY: All right.
HUNT: How do you spy with 90 days?
O'REILLY: Do you want a battlefield commander to take over overall at -- overall...
HUNT: I want a killer -- I want a killer to take over Jim Jones as NATO commander. Marine, absolutely
capable guy.
O'REILLY: OK. Not a politician but a wartime commander.
HUNT: A hundred percent.
O'REILLY: And the third one that was going to be replaced was Rumsfeld? Is that what you said or...
HUNT: I said one three -- four star above, DOD, and the CIA to get this nation's attention. Nobody pays for the
mistake of WMD or 9/11. Our soldiers are dying and 14,000 wounded. It's time to change the team.
O'REILLY: OK. Colonel Cowan, go.
LT. COL. BILL COWAN, U.S. ARMY: Well, Bill, let me tell you first, that after that show last time not only
did we get some grief from the Pentagon but I think Dave and I both got a lot of supportive e-mails from friends
in the military, the same people who had come to us before that show to talk about a lot of the problems so we
could address them.
And they are the same people who come back to us now with a lot of the proposed solutions so we can find
things that need to be done. And Dave is right. We need to have some kind of a clearing ofthe deck somewhere
with respect to people, maybe in the military, who have not really been helpful in getting plans, policies,
programs out there.
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First and foremost, Bill, the advisor program. We can train and equip Iraqis all day long, but we've got to stand
there with them when they're deployed with advisors and train them and teach them, inspire them, motivate
them, ve,t them, and make them turn into an effective fighting force.
O'REILLY: Is that not being done?
COWAN: It's not being done, Bill. It's a make it up as you go advisor program right now. The Marine Corps has
somewhat of a program. The Army has none. Some military people arrived in Iraq only to be told they're going
to be advisors, totally unprepared, not vetted. Maybe they're going to be an advisor at the battalion level when
they've never served at a battalion level.
O'REILLY: All right. So we need to have it organized like they did in Vietnam, where each South Vietnamese
unit had an American advisor there to calm them down when things were wrong. .
COWAN: An advisory team with them, Bill. And it needs •• that needs to come from the highest levels of the
Pentagon. Put together a program, incentivize advisors to go over there, a little bit of extra pay, whatever, to get
the best and the brightest over there as advisors working.
O'REILLY: OK.
COWAN: Secondly, we need to dismount. We've got people riding all over in Humvees and other kinds of
vehicles. We need to get out of those things, get back on the ground, establish relationships with people.
Third, very quickly, Bill, we've got a lot of intelligence expertise flowing out of Iraq. Young men and women
serving over there for a year or on second tours. And they come back to the United Stats, and that expertise just
disappears back out into their guard unit or their military unit, whatever, instead of the best and brightest being
brought together to stay on top of the intelligence problem so that we can start working out where the bad guys
are, who they are.
O'REILLY: You would give them jobs in Washington?
COWAN: Right here, Bill. Right here. A hundred, 150 people right here in town, go over it every day.
O'REILLY: Rumsfeld -- Rumsfeld says, Colonel Hunt, that you don't need more guys on the ground. You need
more intelligence. That's the mantra this week from the Defense Department.
Now, my question is, if Rumsfeld was on the program, and he was a few months ago, would be look, don't you
need more security? Don't you need to guard -- they did finally secure the oil pipeline, which is good news. It
hasn't been reported to mainstream media, but they did. And they're getting like 98 percent flow of oil now out
of there. So this is money going back to that government.
But don't you need more security so people can go out to have a cup of coffee and can get in from the airport?
HUNT: Yes, you do, and the guys that can do that are the Special Forces. Greene Berets. They're the best at
what's called sensitive trigger information. You find a bad guy, they can kill them. We need two more Special
Forces groups there. Not into Africa right now. We need some there, of course, but we need two more Special
Forces groups and a little less tanks.
We need Special Forces guys running the training programs that Petraeus has been running and it hasn't been
working.
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At the same time take care of the corruption that's in Iraq, both Iraqis and Americans, French and Brits who are
taking money. You're right, 97 percent of that country's oil capacity is working, and money is going out the back
'door.
The Iraqi government cannot support the battalions that it's putting in the field with beans, bullets, trucks. That's
one of the reasons the Iraqi soldiers aren't fighting; they don't have the'gear. It isn't working. Take Petraeus out.
Put a Special Forces captain in there. Your point is well taken, when a Green Beret unit can provide both some
security and the intelligence that's needed to deal with that.
O'REILLY: OK. So I mean, it's obviously in a chaos' of any situation. People will exploit it, Colonel Cowan, and
that's what we're talking about with corruption. There simply aren't police overseeing a lot of these transactions.
I'll give you the last word.
COWAN: It's a way of life over there, Bill. Well, I've got one other quick one if I may, Bill, the tribal leap.
We've absolutely avoided developing a relationship with the tribal leaders and the sheiks over there. Hundreds
and hundreds of years of those tribes in existence. We have failed from the outset. We continue to fail to bring
in the tribal leaders and put them responsible, with money, for the cleanup of some of the areas, the areas
where...
O'REILLY: Yes, like the Manyards (ph) and people like that, the indigenous peoples in Southeast Asia.
OK, guys, we appreciate it.
HUNT: It's winnable.
O'REILLY: Ifanybody gives you any grief, let us know. We'll give you more grief.
COWAN: I'm not worried.
O'REILLY: We'll sympathize with them and give you grief.
All right, next, the Aruban prime minister finally admits problems in the Natalee Holloway disappearance. And
some other young women may testify loran Van Der Sioot drugged them. We'll be right back with that story.
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Sir,
From Bill Cowan.
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Subject: RoE: Inaccurate comments about advisors in Iraq
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thanks for your message, and i mean it. i am not above accepting criticism, and always take it in the
hope that i'll learn something and do a better job next time. hopefully, you'll pass my response on to
General Patreus and to those people under his command who saw the show and expressed their concerns
or disappointment.
first, under no circumstances do i want to put out bad scoop on international TV, particulary on Bill
O'Reilly's show. what i expressed as 'facts' came from numerous sources in the Pentagon, in Iraq, or just
back from Iraq. i'm the first to admit that my 'facts' may have been wrong. but, in the past two months
i've met or talked with senior general officers within the JCS or from the Army and the Marine Corps,
and the IMPRESSION i've consistently been left with is a lack of a viable top down advisor program
eminating from this side to that. i've also talked at the staff level in the Pentagon and to some individuals
who had served as advisors. two 'facts' i got from more than one source were that some people were
arriving in Iraq to learn they were advisors (that is, no stateside selection, vetting, or training before
going overseas), and that individuals were being assigned as advisors at levels they'd never served at.
guess my point is that my complaints about the advisor program were pointed at the failure of the
JCSlPentagon leadership to adequately support the advisor program starting from THIS end, not yours.
to those who are serving as advisors, i'd note that of my 31/2 years in Viet Nam, over' 2 1/2 was as an
advisor to Vietnamese forces on the par of the Iraqis when i started with them. i ran operations with
teams as small as five Vietnamese up to company sized, and i only returned to CONUS when i did
because the Marine Corps wouldn't let me stay any longer. there is certainly no job more difficult, and
certainly none more rewarding. i laud the men and women serving as advisors, and deeply regret saying
something which may have offended them. it was not intended, and i will do my best to reflect properly
on them in future shows when the opportunity presents itself.
again, let me emphasize that i appreciate your writing me. don't hesitate to do so in the future, and i
won 't hesitate to contact you if i have questions. i've been a fan of General Patreus' since visiting the
10Ist in Mosul in September of '03, and i've probably been one of his most ardent supporters on TV since
then. i know it's not a perfect world trying to stand up the Iraqis and get them out on the front lines. i
also believe you all are busting your butts to make it happen.
again, tha~ks.
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resp'y,
bill (not "rnr", not "col", not "Itcol")
From:MMl5t LTC [mailto
To: bilLcowan@tj5iGi
Subject: Inaccurate comments about advisors in Iraq
Mr. Cowan,
I caught your comments highlighted below on Bill O'Reilly and frankly we here at Multi-National Security Transition
Command-Iraq are flabbergasted at how incorrect you are. What is more disturbing is that these comments came just
hours before we pinned the Distinguished Service Cross on one of our senior advisors for valor while fighting with the
Special Police Commando's in Mosullast November.
MNSTC·I, and now Multi-National Corps-Iraq, has had advisors with every unit built since July 2004 from battalion to
brigade to division. As LTG Petraeus briefed you during the roundtable VTC just two weeks ago that I sat in on, every
single Iraqi battalion, brigade and division headquarters has a Transition Team of 10 to 12 advisors assigned to it right
from the day the unit is formed and continuing with it as it fights. There are almost 140 of these teams in place with Army,
S'pecial Police Commandos, Mechanized Police, Public Order Brj~ades and Border Enforcement battalions. In addition,
there are teams with the Air Force, Navy, Ground Forces headquarters and Joint Headquarters manned by some of finest
Soldiers, airmen, Marines, sailors and civilians this nation has to offer.
This transition program is the cornerstone of Multi-National Force-Iraq's detailed campaign plan and was publicly
announced months ago in several press conferences and has since been featured in numerous news articles and TV
pieces. The teams are put through an extensive training process that culminates here in Iraq at the Phoenix Academy
where they get CUltural, weapons and tactical training to work with the ISF and survive in this incredibly challenging tactical
environment.
Most notablywe have lost three of our brother advisors in combat in Fallujah, Tal Afar and just two weeks ago in Baghdad.
COL MMlit has just been awarded our nations second highest award for valor for his actions as an advisor to the
Special Police Commandos. That medal was given by GEN Casey and the Iraqi Minister of the Interior today in an awards
ceremony covered by nearly all of the news networks.
I am disappointed that you would present yourself as an expert on operations in Iraq with such a poor understanding of
what is going on here and by doing so would sully the efforts of some of the hardest working warriors in the Armed Forces.
I have had several of these soldiers approach me simply dumbfounded at your remarks. These men and women ARE the
best America has to offer and they are fighting and bleeding here to make this endeavor succeed.
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I am available for you to contact before future appearances to ensure you have a clear understanding of the situation in
Iraq. We have never said it is perfect or that everything is going along like sunshine and roses but momentum is on our
. side and each day our Iraqi brothers grow more capable and confident.
I have attached the citation to today's award and a story about it so you can see just how heroically just one of these men
fought in combat. .. over 9 months ago.
Finally, this is not about your opinions being wrong, this is about your facts being wrong.
Sincerely,
Fred Wellman
LTC Frederick P. Wellman
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in the,military, the same people who had come to us before that show to talk about a lot of the problems so we
could address them.
And they are the same people who come back to us now with a lot ofthe proposed solutions so we can find
things that need to be done. And Dave is right. We need to have some kind of a clearing of the deck somewhere
programs out there.
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them, vet them, and make them tum into an effective fighting force.
unit had an American advisor there to calm them down when things were wrong.
COWAN: An advisory team with them, Bill. And it needs -- that needs to come from the highest levels of the
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Subject: Inaccurate comments about advisors in Iraq
Mr. Cowan,
I caught your comments highlighted below on Bill O'Reilly and frankly we here at Multi-National Security Transition
Command-Iraq are flabbergasted at how incorrect you are. What is more disturbing is that these comments came just
hours before we pinned the Distinguished Service Cross on one of our senior advisors for valor while fighting with the
Special Police Commando's in Mosullast November.
MNSTC-I, and now Multi-National Corps-Iraq, has had advisors with every unit built since July 2004 from battalion to
brigade to division. As LTG Petraeus briefed you during the roundtable VTC just two weeks ago that I sat in on, every
single Iraqi battalion, brigade and division headquarters has a Transition Team of 10 to 12 advisors assigned to it right
from the day the unit is formed and continuing with it as it fights. There are almost 140 of these teams in place with Army,
Special Police Commandos, Mechanized Police, Public Order Brigades and Border Enforcement battalions. In addition,
there are teams with the Air Force, Navy. Ground Forces headquarters and Joint Headquarters manned by some of finest
Soldiers, airmen, Marines, sailors and civilians this nation has to offer.
This transition program is the cornerstone of Multi-National Force-Iraq's detailed campaign plan and was publicly
announced months ago in several press conferences and has since been featured in numerous news articles and TV
pieces. The teams are put through an extensive training process that culminates here in Iraq at the Phoenix Academy
where they get cultural, weapons and tactical training to work with the ISF and survive in this incredibly challenging tactical
environment.
Most notablywe have lost three of our brother advisors in combat in Fallujah, Tal Afar and just two weeks ago in Baghdad.
COL Jim Coffman has just been awarded our nations second highest award for valor for his actions as an advisor to the
Special Police Commandos. That medal was given by GEN Casey and the Iraqi Minister of the Interior today in an awards
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ceremony covered by nearly all of the news networks.
I am disappointed that you would present yourself as an expert on operations in Iraq with such a poor understanding of
what is going on here and by doing so would sUlly the efforts of some of the hardest working warriors in the Armed Forces.
t have had several of these soldiers approach me simply dumbfounded at your remarks. These men and women ARE the
best America has to offer and they are fighting and bleeding here to make this endeavor succeed.
I am available for you to contact before future appearances to ensure you have a clear understanding of the situation in
Iraq. We have never said it is perfeat or that everything is going along like sunshine and roses but momentum is on our
side and each day our Iraqi brothers grow more capable and confident.
I have attached the citation to today's award and a story about it so you can see just how heroically just one of these men
fought in combat. .. over 9 months ago.
Finally, this is not about your opinions being wrong, this is about your facts being wrong.
Sincerely,
Fred Wellman
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in the military, the s~e people who had come to us before that show to talk about a lot of the problems so we
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could address them.
programs out there.
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please come see me asap after your next meeting!!!!

thanks
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•I need a big favor. Bill Cowan is on Fox saying there is no Advisor program here. My boss wants me to email him and
straighten him out. Do you have contact info for him?
Thanks,
Fred
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here's the transcript of the segment i told you about this morning.
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Copyright 2005 Fox News Network, LLC.
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SHOW: THE O'REILLY FACTOR 8:37 PM EST
August 23, 2005 Tuesday
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HEADLINE: Strategies for Winning in Iraq
BYLINE: Bill O'Reilly, Bill Cowan, David Hunt
BODY:
O'REILLY: Thanks for staying with us. I'm Bill O'Reilly.
In the "Unresolved Problem" segment tonight, winning the war in Iraq. Some Americans don't believe that can
be done. I disagree. And so do two FOX News military analysts. Joining us now from Washington, Lieutenant
Colonel Bill Cowan and from Boston, Colonel David Hunt. '
Now, we might tell everybody we saw you guys a few weeks ago, that you came in with very pessimistic
assessments ofIraq as it stands now. Both of you did. And I'm sure you both know the Pentagon didn't like that,
all right? They watched that report. You both got grief, I'm sure, and your e- mails burned off.
But you were honest, in my opinion. You brought in what was going on over there. I don't think anybody can
put a happy face on the military situation at this point. You can't go out for a cup of coffee in Baghdad. It's tough
to get from the airport into Baghdad on the airport road. Things are dicey over there.
But now tonight I want to put forth in very simple tenns so even I can understand it, colonels, how you think the
war can be won. Colonel Hunt, we'll start with you. Go.
COL. DAVID HUNT, U.S. ARMY: Yes, in a college football game, you fire football coaches for losing
seasons. It's time to fire some people. I'd fire three -- one CIA, one State Department, one military four star and
above. The CIA is only rotating every 90 days their personnel. That guy is fired. The State Department only 90
~~. .
And the military is not working. I'd put a four~star general in charge, Schoomaker, bring him a chief of staff of
the Anny's job or Jim Jones, the NATO commander. And no, they didn't call me and suggest it. These are two
fighters, two killers, and it needs to be done.
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· Put more Special Forces on the ground. Put two Anny divisions up north to stop the infiltration. The State
Department have a meeting with the surrounding countries. One more citizen of your country kills one of our
guys, we're going to blow up a building in your city and have an F-18 fly over that meeting. No more games.
Start the Phoenix program as we did in Vietnam.
Again disband all militias, the Iraqi police are using militias. And guess what, Iran is supporting a militia in the.
south. I'll let Bill get some more. It's outrageous; it needs to stop now.
O'REILLY: All right. But I don't understand some of what you said there, Colonel Hunt, which is not unusual
for me, so please be patient. All right. Ninety-day rotations, what does that mean? All right? What does...
HUNT: Bill, got to talk about also the State Department' and Central Intelligence Agency are rotating their
people every 90 days inJraq. Our guys, the military is spending a year to 15 months.
O'REILLY: All right. So they need to stay there longer, correct?
HUNT: A hundred percent right.
O'REILLY: All right.
HUNT: How do you spy with 90 days?
O'REILLY: Do you Want a battlefield commander to take over overall at -- overall...
HUNT: I want a killer -- I want a killer to take over Jim Jones as NATO commander. Marine, absolutely
capable guy.
O'REILLY: OK. Not a politician but a wartime commander.
HUNT: A hundred percent.
O'REILLY: And the third one that was going to be replaced was Rumsfeld? Is that what you said or...
HUNT: r said one three -- four star above, DOD, and the CIA to get this nation's attention. Nobody pays for the
mistake of WMD or 9/11. Our soldiers are dying and 14,000 wounded. It's time to change the team.
O'REILLY: OK. Colonel Cowan, go.
in the military, the same people who had come to us before that show to talk about a lot of the problems so we
could address them.
programs out there. '
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COWAN: It's not being done, Bill. It's a make it up as you go advisor program right now. :rhe Marine Corps has
somewhat of a program. The Anny has none. Some military people arrived in Iraq only to be told they're going
to be advisors, totally unprepared, not vetted. Maybe they'r~ going to be an advisor at the battalion level when
they've never served at a battalion level. .
O'REILLY: OK.
COWAN: Secondly, we need to dismount. We've got people riding all over in Humvees and other kinds of
vehicles. We need to get out of those things, get back on the ground, establish relationships with people.
Third, very quickly, Bill, we've got a lot of intelligence expertise flowing out of Iraq. Young men and women
serving over there for a year or on second tours. And they come back to the United Stats, and that expertise just
disappears back out into their guard unit or their military unit, whatever, instead of the best and brightest being
brought together to stay on top of the intelligence problem so that we can start working out where the bad guys
are, who they are.
O'REILLY: You would give them jobs in Washington?
COWAN: Right here, Bill. Right here. A hundred, 150 people right here in town, go over it every day.
O'REILLY: Rumsfeld -- Rumsfeld says, Colonel Hunt, that you don't need more guys on the ground. You need
more intelligence. That's the mantra this week from the Defense Department.
Now, my question is, if Rumsfeld was on the program, and he was a few months ago, would be look, don't you
need more security? Don't you need to guard -- they did finally secure the oil pipeline, which is good news. It
hasn't been reported to mainstream media, but they did. And they're getting like 98 percent flow of oil now out
of there. So this is money going back to that government.
But don't you need more security so people can go out to have a cup of coffee and can get in from the airport?
HUNT: Yes, you do, and the guys that can do that are the Special Forces. Greene Berets. They're the best at
what's called sensitive trigger infonnation. You find a bad guy, they can kill them. We need two more Special
Forces groups there. Not into Africa right now. We need some there, of course, but we need two more Special
Forces groups and a little less tanks.
We need Special Forces guys running the training programs that Petraeus has been running and it hasn't been
working. .
At the same time take care of the corruption that's in Iraq, both Iraqis and Americans, French and Brits who are
taking money. You're right, 97 percent of that country's oil capacity is working, and money is going out the back
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door.
The Iraqi government cannot support the battalions that it's putting in the field' with beans, bullets, trucks. That's
one of the reasons the Iraqi soldiers aren't fighting; they don't have the gear. It isn't working. Take Petraeus out.
Put a Special Forces captain in there. Your point is well taken, when a Green Beret unit can provide both some
security and the intelligence that's needed to deal with that.
O'REILLY: OK. So I mean, it's obviously in a chaos of any situation. People will exploit it, Colonel Cowan, and
that's what we're talking about with corruption. There simply aren't police overseeing a lot of these transactions.
I'll give you the last word.
COWAN: It's a way of life over there, Bill. Well, I've got one other quick one if I may, Bill, the triballe'ap.
We've absolutely avoided developing a relationship with the tribal leaders and the sheiks over there. Hundreds
and hundreds of years of those tribes in existence. We have failed from the outset. We continue to fail to bring
in the tribal leaders and put them responsible, with money, for the cleanup of some of the areas, the areas
where...
O'REILLY: Yes, like the Manyards (ph) and people like that, the indigenous peoples in Southeast Asia.
OK, guys, we appreciate it.
HUNT: It's winnable.
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some other young women may testify Joran Van Der Sioot drugged them. We'll be right back with that story.
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE August 24, 2005

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Story by U.S. Army Sgt. Lorie Jewell
MNSTC-I Public Affairs
BAGHDAD, Iraq - The Distinguished Service Cross - second only to the Medal of Honor in
military decorations - has been awarded to U.S. Army Col. James H. Coffman Jr. for his role in
leading Iraqi Special Police Commandos through a 5 ~-hour battle against insurgents trying to
overrun an Iraqi police station.
Flanked by the commando unit Coffman fought with, U.S. Army Gen. George Casey,
commander of Multi-National Forces - Iraq, pinned the cross and eagle medal on Coffman's
body armor during an Aug. 24 ceremony at Adnon Palace in Baghdad's International Zone.
Iraq's Minister of Interior, Bayan Jabr, and a number of other high-ranking Iraqi and Coalition
leaders also attended the ceremony.
"It's humbling to me, to be in the company of heroes," Casey said, noting Coffman's
extraordinary heroism in the battle that killed 12 Iraqi commandos and wounded 24. "Such
exemplary conduct is a great example to Iraqi commandos and to all American Soldiers and
warriors."
Coffman, 5]. is a senior adviser to Iraqi Special Police Commandos with the Multi-National
Security Transition Command - Iraq's Civilian Police Assistance Training Team. He
accompanied a commando Quick Reaction Force with the 3rd Battalion, 151 Iraqi Special Police
Commando Brigade on Nov. 14,2004 to help a commando platoon under attack in a Mosul, Iraq
police station.
As the QRF approached the station, it was besieged with rocket-propelled grenades, small arms
fire and mortar rounds. Coffman and the commandos fought the insurgents for four hours before
help arrived. When the initial firefight killed or seriously wounded all but one of the commando
officers, Coffman rallied the remaining commandos while trying to radio for assistance,
according to his award citation.
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"Under heavy fire, he moved from commando to commando, looking each in the eye and using
hand and arm signals to demonstrate what he wanted done," the citation said.
When an enemy round shattered his left shooting hand, damaging his M4 rifle in the process,
Coffman bandaged it and continued fighting with AK-47 rifles he collected from commando
casualties until each ran out of ammunition. He also passed out ammunition to the uninjured
commandos with the help of the remaining commando officer; when all that remained were loose
rounds, Coffman held magazines between his legs and loaded the rounds with his good hand.
When a second commando unit arrived four hours after the fight began, Coffman led them to his
position and continued to fight, refusing to be evacuated for treatment until the battle was over.
Not long after the commando reinforcements arrived, air support and a Stryker Brigade Quick
Reaction Force were on hand to assist to assist in the battle.
Coffman supervised the evacuation of injured commandos and led another group of commandos
to the police station to make contact with the Iraqi Police inside. Once the additional air and
ground support elements began attacking buildings the enemy forces were hiding in, Coffman
went back to his initial position to check on the injured commandos and then agreed to be
evacuated for treatment. Twenty-five insurgents were killed and dozens injured.
"Col. Coffman, the blood you shed will never be forgotten," said Jabr, the Interior Minister.
"We, the forces of the (Ministry of Interior) and the (Ministry of Defense) will continue to fight
until we defeat terrorism. Right will always defeat wrong."
In remarks during the ceremony, Coffman praised the commandos for their service and
commitment to defending freedom in Iraq. He also said he viewed the ceremony as a tribute to
the Iraqi and Coalition forces that have fought, bled and died together.
"Third battalion, I am truly, truly honored to stand here with you today and remember your
courage and bravery last November and in all the days since then," Coffman said, facing the
commando formations. "It has been an honor to fight with you."
Jabr and Iraqi Maj. Gen. Adnon Thebit, commander of the Special Police Forces, each presented
Coffman with medallions.
Prior to the ceremony, Coffman said surgery repaired the shattered bones in his hand but it still
isn't back to 100 percent. In the months he's had to reflect on the battle, Coffman said his focus
continues to be on the courage and exemplary ,performance of the Iraqi commandos he fought
with.
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"I'm very proud of them, and more importantly, they're proud of themselves," Coffman said.
"The next day. they were back out on patrol- after suffering 30 to 50 percent casualties. That's
pretty amazing. I'm not sure American units would do that. That says something about their
resilience and their ability to maintain morale. They certainly mourned their losses, but they got
back into the fight right away. I don't think you can ask much more of people than that."
After nearly two years in Iraq, Coffman is preparing to return home in early September. He'll
return to a Pentagon job he held prior to deploying to Iraq in December 2003, in the Office of the
Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations and Low Intensity Conflict.
After celebrating two wedding anniversaries in Iraq, Coffman is looking forward to returning to
his wife of21 years, Patricia White, and their two grown daughters.
Coffman was able to call his wife from the medical aid station before he was evacuated to tell
her what happened, and that he was okay. When he learned he would be awarded the DSC
which came as a surprise - Coffman said there was some debate about whether the ceremony
should be held here or at home, where his family could attend. He opted to have it done with the
men he fought with.
"In my mind, it's more for the Iraqis," he said.
Coffman doesn't see himself as a big hero, just a Soldier who did what he had to do to keep
himself and his men alive. He believes there are plenty of heroic deeds going on in Iraq
particularly in the military and special police training teams - that go unrecognized.
"There are equal acts out there. This one just got written up," Coffman said. "I would like to see
more people get written up."
Coffman may downplay his actions, but those who work with him on the commando adviser
team describe him as a passionate, tough, and no-nonsense warrior.
"At first, I thought he was crazy," laughed U.S. Army Sgt. 1st Class Carl Paris, who arrived to
the team shortly after the battle. He recalled Coffman greeting him with a large bandaged hand,
saying 'Hey, guess what, kid,' and then giving him a blow-by-blow description of the fight.
"I have nothing but admiration for him," Paris said. "He is the example for rile being here. A lot
of people talk the talk, but he walks the walk. He has a real Soldier's mentality - cut through the
B.S. and get the mission done, no matter what it takes."
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U.S. Anny Staff Sgt. Tlaloc Cutroneo feels honored to have been able to serve with Coffman and
appreciates the trust Coffman placed with him.
"He has allowed me to be privy to major Iraqi developments and security solutions," Cutroneo
said. "I have sat in on meetings as his battle buddy, not as merely a subordinate. To be referred to
as his battle buddy means quite a bit."
Coffman enlisted in the Anny in 1972 in Great Barrington, Mass., where he grew up. The
tangible benefits - learning a skill and college tuition - drew him into the service. But gaining an
understanding of what being a Soldier means kept him in unifonn for more than 30 years.
"The idea of selfless service and patriotism takes over," Coffman said. "I like that."
Coffman has a Bachelor of Science degree in Chinese Area Studies from the United States
Military Academy at West Point, N.Y. and a Master of Science degree in National Security
Affairs from the Naval Postgraduate School at Monterey, Calif. He was also a U.S. Anny Fellow
at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, Tufts University in Medford, Mass., and attended
the Boston University Overseas Program for Master of Science in International Relations in
Vicenza, Italy.
His military career has taken him from Fort Bragg, N.C.; Tampa, Fla. and Washington, D.C. to
more far-flung locations like Vicenza, Korea and Gelnhausen, Gennany. Along with the
Distinguished Service Cross, Coffman's other awards include the Bronze Star, Defense
Meritorious Service Medal, Meritorious Service Medal with four oak leaf clusters, Joint Service
Commendation Medal with two oak leaf clusters, the Combat Infantryman Badge, Expert
Infantryman Badge, and Special Forces and Ranger Tabs.
Coffman will have to retire in three years, but he figu~es he still has one more overseas tour in
him. He isn't sure it will be in Iraq, though.
"If asked, I would find it hard to say no," Coffman said. "I have a lot of respect for a lot of the
Iraqis. They have a tough time ahead of them."
Coffman doesn't believe democracy can be fast-tracked here. The United States had to work
through several years of contentious issues - including a Civil War - before it enjoyed a stable
democratic government.
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"It's easy when you've had a couple centuries of experience with democracy to overlook the
difficulties in getting that," Coffman said. "I can't think of a nobler endeavor than to help 28
million people achieve it."
For more iy!{ormation about the Multi-National Security Transition Command -Iraq, please
visit www.mnstci.iraq.centcom.mil
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U.S. Army Col. James H. Coffman Jr. salutes the Iraqi Special Police Commandos who fought
with him in a fierce battle against insurgents Nov. 14,2004, after receiving the Distinguished
Service Cross. Coffman praised the commandos for their courage and dedication to fighting for a
free and democratic Iraq.
(Photo by Us. Army Sgt. Lorie Jewell)
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U.S. Army Gen. George Casey, commander of Multi-National Forces-Iraq, congratulates U.S.
Army Col. James H. Coffman Jr. after pinning him with the Distinguished Service Cross.
(Photo by Us. Army Sgt. Lorie Jewell)
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U.S. Army Col. James H. Coffman Jr. glances over at a formation of Iraqi Special Police
Commandos after being awarded the Distinguished Service Cross during an Aug. 24 ceremony
in Baghdad.
(Photo by US. Army Sgt. Lorie Jewell)
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Headquarters, Department of the Army, Washington D.C.

Permanent Orders Number 201-10
The Distinguished Service Cross
is awarded to
U.S. ARMY COLONEL JAMES H. COFFMAN JR.

For exceptionally valorous conduct while assigned as the Senior Advisor to the
1st Iraqi Special Police Commando Brigade during a lengthy battle on 14
November 2004 in Mosul, Iraq, during which the unit likely would have been
overrun were it not for the courageous leadership of Colonel Coffman and the
one Commando officer not wounded.
At approximately 1030 hours on 14 November, Colonel Coffman moved with a

Commando Quick Reaction Force (QRF) to reinforce a Commando platoon under
attack at the Four West Police Station in Mosul. As the QRF neared the besieged
platoon, it came under intense rocket-propelled grenade, mortar, machinegun,
and AK-47 fire by a large insurgent force. Over the next four hours, the enemy
repeatedly assaulted the Co'mmandos' position, at times culminating their attacks
twenty meters from Colonel Coffman's location.
With all but one of the commando officers killed or seriously wounded by the
initial enemy fire, Colonel Coffman exhibited truly inspirational leadership,
rallying the Commandos and organizing a hasty defense while attempting to radio
higher headquarters for reinforcements. Under heavy fire, he moved from
Commando to Commando, looking each in the eye and using hand and arm
signals to demonstrate what he wanted done. At one point, an enemy round
shattered Colonel Coffman's shooting hand and rendered his M4 rifle inoperable.
After bandaging his hand, Colonel Coffman picked up AK-47s from Commando
casualties and fired them with his other hand until each ran out of ammunition.
With the assistance of the one remaining Commando officer, Colonel Coffman
redistributed ammunition among the uninjured commandos until he had only
loose ammunition that he loaded by placing magazines between his legs and
using his one working hand. Throughout this period, he repeatedly demonstrated
exceptional courage and an extraordinary example to the commandos as they
repulsed attack after attack by the enemy.
Four hours after the start of the battle, a second Commando element arrived and
Colonel Coffman guided them to his position. Even after their arrival, he
continued to direct the fight, refusing to be evacuated until the enemy was
defeated. Shortly thereafter, attack helicopters also arrived, followed closely by a
Stryker Brigade QRF ,and Colonel Coffman used Iraqi radios to direct air strikes
and to provide vital information on the location of enemy and friendly forces.
After supervising the evacuation of several dozen wounded Commandos, Colonel

Coffman lad a squad-sized element to the Four West Iraqi Police Station, fifty
meters ahead of the Strykers, to make contact with the Commandos still in the
station. After they linked up, the Strykers moved forward, and attack helicopters
engaged the buildings occupied by the enemy, following which Colonel Coffman
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returned to his original position to ensure that all of the Iraqi casualties had been
evacuated. Only then did he consent to be evacuated for surgery for his own
serious wound.
During the fierce four-hour battle, twelve Commandos were killed and 42 were
wounded. Twenty-five enemy were killed and many dozens more were wounded.
The personal courage and heroic actions displayed throLlghout the fight by
Colonel Coffman - in the face of heavy enemy fire and repeated attacks - were
absolutely critical to defeating the enemy forc~ and to saVing Iraqi lives. Colonel
Coffman's gallantry in action was in keeping with the finest traditions of the .
American military and reflects great credit on him, the Multinational Force-Iraq,
the U.S. Special Operations Command, and the United States of Americ_a.
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Frances J. Harvey
Secretary of the Army
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GEN Craddock has seen the proposal to permit Mr. Cucullu access to Guantanamo to write a book and he supports the
concept. Naturally, the details of his visit would have to be worked out with the appropriate personnel in SOUTHCOM and
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please see the story below. eric ruff asked that i pass this along to you for general craddock as it is written by the retired
military analyst who would like to write a book about guantanamo.mr. ruff sent a memo to general craddock a week or so
ago reo this. he would like to see if we can set up a call next week with the general at a time convenient to him. please let
me know jf there is a time that would work for the general and i will. have it put on mr. ruff's calendar.
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'Gitmo Jive
By Gordon Cucullu
WWN. taemag.com/issues/articleID. 18656/article_detail.asp
Guantanamo Bay, Cuba-In the fall of 2001, the U.S. Naval Facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba ("Gitmo" to those who live
here) was teetering on the edge of oblivion, with a skeleton crew of fewer than 2,000 servicemembers on duty. Now a
contingent of more than 10,000 resides here. Behind that surge: the need for secure confinement of a collection of human
These "detainees" are not innocent foot soldiers, or confused Afghan opium farmers drafted by the Taliban. They are
Islamic fundamentalists from across the Middle East, rabid jihadists who have dedicated their lives to the destruction of
America and Western civilization. Among the resIdents are al-Qaeda organizers, bomb makers, financial specialists,
recruiters of suicide attackers, and just plain killers. Many of these men met frequently with Osama bin Laden. The terrorist
Maad AI Qahtani, a Saudi who is a self-confessed collaborator with the September 11 hijackers, is one of many infamous
captives.
In the opening salvos of the global war on terror, our forces took a lot of prisoners from the battlefield. Estimates are that
more than 70,000 Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters were captured and screened. Of that number, approximately 800 were
deemed of such high value for intelligence purposes, or such a severe threat in their own person, that they needed to be
interrogated and confined in a secure locale from which they could not easily escape or be rescued. Welcome to the new
Gitmo.
I was able to observe conditions at the detention facility, firsthand, at the end of June, when I was invited to join a group of
ten former military and intelligence analysts on an inspection tour. Briefings cbmmenced aboard our aircraft shortly after
take-off, and continued until landing. We were met planeside by Brigadier General Jay Hood, the commanding officer of
Joint Task Force Gitmo, whose soldiers are responsible for the security, interrogation, housing, and oversight of all the
terrorists confined there. General Hood and his staff fielded all questions and criticisms, and were very forthcoming.
Who are these men?
While we observed absolutely no evidence of torture of prisoners at Gitmo, it is clear that the daily atmosphere is rife with
harsh abuse: The prisoners are constantly assaulting the guards.
Our young military men and women routinely endure the vilest invective imaginable, including death threats that spill over
to guards' families. All soldiers and sailors working "inside the wire" have blacked out their name tags so that the detainees
will not leamtheir identities. Before that step was taken the terrorists were threatening to tell their al-Qaeda pals still at
large who the guards were. "We will look you up on the Internet," the prisoners said. "We will find you and slaughter you
and your family in your homes at night. We will cut your throats like sheep. We will drink the blood of the infidel."
That is bad enough, but the terrorist prisoners throw more than words at the guards. On a daily basis, American soldiers
carrying out their duties within the maximum-security camp are barraged with feces, urine, semen, and spit hurled by the
detain·ees. Secretly fashioned weapons intended for use in attacking guards or fellow detainees are confiscated regularly.
When food or other items are passed through the "bean hole"-an opening approximately 4 inches by 24 inches in the cell
doors, the detainees have grabbed at the wrists and arms of the Americans feeding them and tried to break their bones.
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When guards enter the cells to remove detainees for interrogation sessions, medical' visits, or any number of reasons,
detainees sometimes climb on the metal bunks and leap on the guards. They have crammed themselves under the bunks,
requiring several guards to extract them. Some have attacked unsuspecting soldiers with steel chairs. Determined to inflict
maximum damage, detainees have groped under the protective face masks of the guards, clawing their faces and trying to
gouge eyes and tear mouths.
Keep in mind that our soldiers-young men and young women-are absolutely forbidden from responding in kind. They are
constrained to maintain absolute discipline and follow humane operating procedures at all times, at risk of serious
punishment. Documents recently obtained by the Associated Press through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit show
that one detainee punched a guard in the mouth, knocking out his tooth, then began to bite the MP. Several guards were
required to repel the prisoner's attack; one soldier who came to the rescue delivered two blows to the inmate's head with a
handheld radio. For this he was dropped in rank to private.
In a different incident, an MP doused with toilet water responded by spraying the offending inmate with a hose. For this he
was charged with assault. Another American soldier was disciplined for cursing at inmates. One guard punched a detainee
after being struck and spit on while placing the man in restraints in the prison hospital in October 2004. ("My instincts took
over after the hitting and spitting," the soldier wrote in his report.) He was recommended for a reduction in rank to E-4, loss
of a month's pay, and extra duty for 45 days.
How cooperative a detainee is determines where he is housed, how much free time he is given, whether he lives alone or
in a group, and what color clothing he wears. The most dangerous wear an orange jump suit. Those who heed instructions
earn a beige jumpsuit, and those who are deemed to be fully compliant wear white. The latter groups have daily recreation
periods, live in groups of as many as ten, and receive extra privileges. The compliance rating, by the way, has nothing to
do with cooperation with interrogators. Indeed, many fully compliant detainees have maintained stoic silence, while some
of the most notorious, dangerous prisoners speak freely with interrogators.
Nearly all of these hardened terrorists have been well coached on how to be an American captive. Given any opportunity,
they will all claim torture and human rights violations. They have been schooled on counter-interrogation techniques, on .
how to construct and maintain a cover story, and other SUbterfuges to fool or deflect interrogators.
Some detainees, including one classified as a "high value intelligence source" that I was able to observe, take pride in
discussing their activities and capabilities with interrogators. The man I saw brags about Americans he has killed, other
Muslims he has terrorized, attacks he has planned and carried out, and what he will do to the Americans if he has a
chance. He is a leader, and affirms his high rank within the al-Qaeda chain. He has started or ended riotous behavior by
fellow prisoners on more than one occasion.
With twisted irony, this individual condemns prisoners who maintain silence for being "ashamed" of their past. "They ought
to proclaim their feats as proof of their commitment to the cause of Islam," he tells interrogators, while munching
continuously from a box of doughnuts provided by the interrogator. Why the doughnuts? "He throws his food at the
guards," General Hood says, "so he loves to eat the doughnuts during the interrogation sessions."
We asked Hood if he was possibly being too lenient with these men. "This system of rapport-bUilding works," Hood
assures us. In support of the soft-handed approach, he cites an extraordinary amount of actionable intelligence that
continues to flow out of the interrogation rooms of Gitmo.
His revelation was a surprise to me. During my own career in the U.S. Army Special Forces, I had been taught that
intelligence, like bread, gets stale quickly. That may be true for tactical intelligence of the sort I used in the field. Strategic
intelligence, the kind that we continue to collect at Gitmo, however, seems to have a much longer shelf life. Today's
interrogators are succeeding at mapping out the complex organizational and financial structure of al-Qaeda in increasing
detail, thereby uncovering networks that need to be attacked and dismantled. They are uncovering new "sleeper" cells.
They are learning of temporarily shelved plans for new terrorist attacks, some of which have subsequently been thwarted
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by law enforcement authorities in America and Europe.
Another surprise for me was learning that many of the U.S. interrogators are women. We have all heard the salacious
stories about using women to tease or embarrass the detainees. I saw a different reality. The camp behavioral expert, a
female Ph.D. who has more than two years of experience at Gitmo, informed me that female interrogators have been very
effective.
"We assume the role of sister or mother," she explained, "something that is quite acceptable and natural in their culture."
She dresses demurely for her sessions. "I wear long sleeves, an ankle-length dress, and little makeup." The interrogation
room she enters is sparsely furnished with leg cuffs to secure the prisoner, a one-way mirror, cameras, and a distress
button to.summon help if needed.
"We review what we know of their backgrounds, try lots of approaches, and work on them to find something thatthey can
relate to. Once we can get them to relate on a common item, even something irrelevant and mundane, then we can begin.
to probe." It is a long, complex process requiring great patience, and more than a little human empathy. It categorically
Intelligence gleaned from Gitmo is blended with information from other sources to connect dots. We learned that one non
cooperative detainee had his cover penetrated just last month by having his photo identified by a freshly captured fighter in
Afghanistan. Once confronted with his real identity, he began to talk.
It is important to keep in mind that these men, while exceedingly dangerous and even pathological in their desire to kill
Westerners, are generally well-educated and broadly traveled. Several detainees have advanced degrees in law,
engineering, and medicine from American and European schools like the University of London. Others are highly skilled
technical experts with advanced training and knowledge of electronics and demolitions. (Some of these are contributing to
our knowledge of al-Qaeda bombs found in Iraq.) Many of these men occupied the top al-Qaeda echelons, and met
frequently with bin Laden.
A lot of these men came from middle-class or wealthy families. They come from 17 different countries, but a great many
are Saudi Arabian. They are not driven by poverty, unemployment, or class deprivation. They are motivated by a virulent
form of Islam that promotes jihad and death to Western civilization. They will kill Americans-including women and children
without conscience, for they are convinced that restoration of the Islamic caliphate is their sole mission on this Earth.
Gitmo guards in the cross hairs
Many readers will have heard stories about detainees sleeping in air-conditioned berths, while the American troops
guarding them sweated in tents. You may have heard that American soldiers were eating MREs while the terrorists dined
on three "hots" daily, providing about 2,600 calories of carefUlly varied food. Those stories were correct.
Conditions for camp guards have been improved dramatically, however. I ate heartily with the soldiers and sailors working
the camps (the Navy supplies a large number of experienced Masters at Arms), and learned how they feel about their
mission. Universally, they are proud of their work, although somewhat disappointed that the American public is not more
aware of the difficulties they undergo to keep us safe.
One young woman at my table, an Army privatA first class, was asked what she thought about rhetoric in the American
media, and from the mouths of elected officials like Senators Richard Durbin (D-IL) and Ted Kennedy (D-MA), descriqing
our service members at Guantanamo as "Nazis." Frowning, she answered, "It hurts my feelings to hear that junk. We try to
do as good a job as possible down here. These detainees are dangerous. They try to kill us every time we get close to
them, and would certainly kill Americans if released."
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I asked her if morale was affected by such political statements, "I'll tell you this," she replied, breaking into a grin, "Every
time we get called those names we decide we're going to show 'em. We focus on our mission and work harder."
Guards pull several days of dUty inside the wire, and are then rotated out. They need the relief from the intense pressure
inside. But the time outside is not R&R; training continues on a constant basis, Gitmo has some of the most detailed and
comprehensive procedural rules in the military. Supervision is constant, random inspections are common, all supervisors
in the chain of command are held responsible for the actions of subordinates, and soldiers are schooled to report
infractions.
The American servicemembers at Guantanamo do not have the satisfaction of tossing a grenade or shooting back at the
terrorists in their midst. They will not be recognized when awards for valor are bestowed. In the face of vile abuse they
must respond with supreme restraint, aware that even the slightest infraction will draw the fury and condemnation of
hyperbolic politicians and reporters who loathe our military and want nothing more than to embarrass and damage
American interests in this war,
For defense against irresponsible and slanderous charges, these men and women rely on ordinary Americans-those of us
who rest at home in the shadow of safety they cast.
Former Special Forces lieutenant colonel Gordon Cucullu is a frequent television commentator on military matters,
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(G)IG)JIII Listen to- . another mother whose son was killed in Iraq.
Best, Jed.
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SUbject: RE: in case you missed it
Thanks. But we need to do something about Syria and Iran or it will all be for
naught! ! ! ! ! ! !
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SUbject: in case you missed it
Folks, a year ago, who would ever have believed they would see this story on the frontpage
of the Washington Post? Sunni's standing together to protect their Shiite neighbors from
al Qaeda loyalists. This is progress.
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Iraqi Sunnis Battle To Defend Shiites

Tribes Defy an Attempt by Zarqawi To Drive Residents From Western City By Ellen Knickmeyer
and Jonathan Finer Washington Post Foreign Service sunday, August 14, 2005; AOl BAGHDAD,
Aug. 14 -- Rising up against insurgent leader Abu Musab zarqawi, Iraqi Sunni Muslims in
Ramadi fought with grenade launchers and automatic weapons Saturday to defend their Shiite
neighbors against a bid to drive them from the western city, Sunni leaders and Shiite
residents said. The fighting came as the U.S. military announced the deaths of six
American soldiers:
Dozens of Sunni members of the Dulaimi tribe established cordons around Shiite homes, and
Sunni men battled followers of Zarqawi, a Jordanian, for an hour Saturday morning. The
clashes killed five of Zarqawi's guerrillas and two tribal fighters, residents and
hospital workers said. Zarqawi loyalists pulled out of two contested neighborhoods in
pickup trucks stripped of license plates, witnesses said.
The leaders of four of Iraq's Sunni tribes had rallied their fighters in response to
warnings posted in mosques by followers of zarqawi. The postings ordered Ramadi's roughly
3,000 Shiites to leave the city of more than 200,000 in the area called the Sunni
Triangle. The order to leave within 48 hours came in retaliation for alleged expulsions by
Shiite militias of Sunnis living in predominantly Shiite southern Iraq.
"We have had enough of his nonsense," said Sheik Ahmad Khanjar, leader of the Albu Ali
clan, referring to Zarqawi. "We don't accept that a non-Iraqi should try to enforce his
control over Iraqis, regardless of their sect -- whether Sunnis, Shiites, Arabs or
Kurds. I I
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Iraqi Sunni tribal leaders and armed followers of zarqawi have clashed before in the far
west, and Sunnis and Shiites in western cities have sympathized with one another over what
they have said are attempts by foreign fighters to spark open sectarian conflict. But
Saturday's clash in Ramadi was one of the first times Sunni Arabs have been known to take
up arms against insurgents specifically in defense of Shiites.
The dramatic show of unity in the western city came as Sunni and Shiite Arabs and ethnic
Kurds in Baghdad continued negotiations over the country's constitution. They were trying
to meet a Monday deadline but failing to resolve some key differences.
President Jalal Talabani, who has hosted days of closed-door talks among Iraq's factional
and political leaders, said he remained hopeful the deadline could be met. "There will be
no postponing of any issue," Talabani told reporters. "God willing, tomorrow the
constitution will be ready."
Disputes over federalism -- particularly whether Shiites should be allowed to have a
separate federal state in the south equivalent to the one the Kurds have established in
the north -- remain the biggest obstacle. Sunni Arabs rigidly oppose the division,
expressing fears that it would split Iraq and leave their minority stranded in the
resource-poor center and west.
U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad sat with faction leaders throughout the day, pushing for
completion by Monday, said a Sunni Arab constitutional delegate, Salih Mutlak.
The fighting in Ramadi suggested a potentially serious threat to Zarqawi's group, al Qaeda
in Iraq, which is made up of Sunni extremists from inside and outside Iraq. The insurgency
has increasingly targeted Shiite civilians along with U.S. and Iraqi forces, particularly
with grisly suicide bombings that have killed scores of Shiites at a time. Zarqawi's
followers see Shiites as rivals for power and as apostates within the broader Islamic
faith.
Washington and the U.S.-backed Iraqi transitional government have worked to split
mainstream Iraqi Sunnis from the radical foreign fighters, hoping to draw them away from
the insurgency and into the political process that many rejected after the toppling of
Saddam Hussein's Sunni-dominated government in 2003.
At midday Saturday, men with grenade launchers and AK-47s still could be seen in Ramadi's
two contested neighborhoods, Sejarriyah and Tameem.
Masked men distributed leaflets that declared the city's tribes would fight "zarqawi's
attempt to turn Ramadi into a second Fallujah, " referring to the nearby city that U.S.
forces wrested from insurgent control in November.
Statements posted on walls declared in the name of the Iraqi-led Mohammed's Army group
that "Zarqawi has lost his direction" and strayed "from the line of true resistance
against the occupation."
A grateful Shiite resident of Ramadi said he was not surprised at the threats by Zarqawi's
followers or the defiance of them. "So many ties of friendship, marriage and compassion"
bind Shiites and Sunnis in Ramadi, said Ali Hussein Lifta, a 50-year-old air-conditioning
repairman and a resident of Tameem.
"We have become in fact part of the populati.on here, and this we are going to convey to
the rest of Iraq and to those who want to instill division between Sunnis and Shiites,"
Lifta said. "We are happy to know that the ties with the Sunnis have become so strong that
the zarqawis and their terrorism cannot affect them."
Separately Saturday, Zarqawi's movement posted statements in Ramadi pledging to kill Sunni
clerics in the west for urging Sunnis to take part in the country's next elections.
"We, al Qaeda in Iraq, announce that we. will apply the religious punishment for apostasy
upon whoever calls for creation of the constitution. You, preacher at the podium of
prophecy, be a speaker of truth, doer of good and rallier for the rule of sharia," or
Islamic law, the statement said.
Similar threats led the majority of Iraq's Sunni voters to boycott elections in January,
weakening their position when the country's factions began crafting a constitution.
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If the draft constitution is finished by Monday as scheduled, and Iraqis agree in an Oct.
15 vote to adopt it, Iraq will hold elections Dec. 15 for its first full-term government
since Hussein was toppled.
Missing the deadline would risk greatly aggravating political instability and violence
that have claimed thousands of Iraqi and American lives since the elections.
Existing law requires the current government to dissolve if the deadline is not met,
opening the way for the election of a new government, which would take another try at
writing a constitution.
Around the country on Saturday, bombings and ambushes killed at least 12 Iraqis qnd
wounded more than a dozen, according to the Associated Press and the Reuters news agency.
Late Saturday, the military announced the deaths of five U.S. soldiers, three of whom were
killed in a roadside bomb attack while on patrol Friday night in the northern town of Tuz.
One soldier died when a roadside bomb detonated in Baghdad Saturday. Another was found
dead from a gunshot wound in the Iraqi capital, according to an Army statement. On Sunday,
one soldier was killed and three wounded by a roadside bombing in the western town of
Ruteah.
Also in Baghdad, a U.S. Bradley Fighting Vehicle was left burning in the Sadr City
district, Reuters reported. The U.S. military said the armored personnel carrier was set
on fire by a roadside bomb, but there were no reports of American casualties. Local police
said an Iraqi civilian was killed in the explosion.
Special correspondents Omar Fekeiki and Naseer Nouri contributed to this report.
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Guardian Unlimited Politics I Special Reports IFull text: joint statement from Muslim groups
.Perhaps only in the land of the unicorn and the phoenix.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From: ~ftfGi i CIV, OASD-PA

To: Col. Miles (E-mail)
sir,
please see the story below. eric ruff asked that i pass this along to you for general
craddock as it is written by the retired military analyst who would like to write a book
about guantanamo. mr. ruff sent a memo to general.craddock a week or so ago reo this. he
would like to see if we can set up a call next week with the general at a time convenient
to him. please let me know if there is a time that would work for the general and i will
have it put on mr. rUff's calendar.
thanks.
mJ
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Gitmo Jive
By Gordon Cucullu
www.taemag.com/issues/articleID.18656/article_detail.asp
Guantanamo Bay, Cuba--In the fall of 2001, the U.S. Naval Facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba
("Gitmo" to those who live here) was teetering on the edge of oblivion, with a skeleton
crew of fewer than 2,000 servicemembers on duty. Now a contingent of more than 10,000
resides here. Behind that surge: the need for secure confinement of a collection of human
These "detainees" are not innocent foot soldiers, or confused Afghan opium farmers drafted
by the Taliban. They are Islamic fundamentalists from across the Middle East, rabid
jihadists who have dedicated their lives to the destruction of America and Western
civilization. Among the residents are al-Qaeda organizers, bomb makers, financial
specialists, recruiters of suicide attackers, and just plain killers. Many of these men
met frequently with Osama bin Laden. The terrorist Maad Al Qahtani, a Saudi who is a self
confessed collaborator with the September 11 hijackers, is one of many infamous captives.
In the opening salvos of the global war on terror, our forces took a lot of prisoners from
the battlefield. Estimates are that more than 70,000 Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters were
captured and screened. Of that number, approximately 800 were deemed of such high value
for intelligence purposes, or such a severe threat in their own person, that they needed
to be interrogated and confined in a secure locale from which they could not easily escape
or be rescued. Welcome to the new Gitmo.
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NY TIMES 7206
I was able to observe conditions at the detention facility, firsthand, at the end of June,
when I was invited to join a group of ten former military and intelligence analysts on an
inspection tour. Briefings commenced aboard our aircraft shortly after take-off, and
security, interrogatio~, housing, and oversight of all the terrorists confined there.
forthcoming.
Who are these men?

including death threats that spillover to guards' families. All soldiers and sailors
working "inside the wire" have blacked out their name tags so that the detainees will not
learn their identities. Before that step was taken the terrorists were threatening to tell
thei~ al-Qaeda pals still at large who the guards were. "We will look you up on the
Internet," the prisoners said. "We will find you and slaughter you and your family in your
homes at night. We will cut your throats like sheep. We will drink the blood of the
infidel."
That is bad enough, but the terrorist prisoners throw more than words at the guards. On a
daily basis, American soldiers carrying out their duties within the maximum-security camp
are barraged with feces, urine, semen, and spit hurled by the detainees. Secre'tly
fashioned weapons intended for use in attacking guards or fellow detainees are confiscated
regularly. When food or other items are passed through the "bean hole"--an opening
approximately 4 inches by 24 inches in the cell doors, the detainees have grabbed at the
wrists and arms of the Americans feeding them and tried to break their bones.
When guards enter the cells to remove detainees for interrogation sessions, medical
visits, or any number of reasons, detainees sometimes climb on the metal bunks and leap on
the guards. They have crammed themselves under the bunks, requiring several guards to
extract them. Some have attacked unsuspecting soldiers with steel chairs. Determined to
inflict maximum damage, detainees'have groped under the protective face masks of the
guards, clawing their faces and trying to gouge eyes and tear mouths.
Keep in mind that our soldiers-young men and young women--are absolutely forbidden from
responding in kind. They are constrained to maintain absolute discipline and follow humane
operating procedures at all times, at risk of serious punishment. Documents recently
obtained by the Associated Press through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit show that
one detainee punched a guard in the mouth, knocking out his tooth, then began to bite the
MP. Several guards were required to repel the prisoner's attack; one soldier who came to
the rescue delivered two blows to the inmate's head with a handheld radio. For this he was
dropped in rank to private.

soldier was disciplined for cursing at inmates. One guard punched a detainee after being
struck and spit on while placing the man in restraints in the prison hospital in October
2004. ("My instincts took over after the hitting and spitting," the soldier wrote in his
report.) He was recommended for a reduction in rank to E-4, loss of a month's pay, and
extra duty for 45 days.
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How cooperative a detainee is determines where he is housed, how much free time he is
given, whether he lives alone or in a group, and what color clothing he wears. The most
dangerous wear an orange jump suit. Those who heed instructions earn a beige jumpsuit, and
those,who are deemed to be fully compliant wear white. The latter groupS have daily
recreation periods, live in groups of as many as ten, and receive extra privileges. The
compliance rating, by the way, has nothing to do with cooperation with interrogators.
Indeed, many fully compliant detainees have maintained stoic silence, while some of the
most notorious, dangerous prisoners speak freely with interrogators.
Nearly all of these hardened terrorists have been well coached on how to be an American
captive. Given any opportunity, they will all claim torture and human rights violations.
They have been schooled on counter-interrogation techniques, on how to construct and
maintain a cover story, and other subterfuges to fool or deflect interrogators.
Some detainees, including one classified as a "high value intelligence source" that I was
able to observe, take pride in discussing their activities and capabilities with
interrogators. The man I saw brags about Americans he has killed, other Muslims he has
terrorized, attacks he has planned and carried out, and what he will do to the Americans
if he has a chance. He is a leader, and affirms his high rank within the al-Qaeda chain.
He has started or ended riotous behavior by fellow prisoners on more than one occasion.
With twisted irony, this individual condemns prisoners who maintain silence for being
"ashamed" of their past. "They ought to proclaim their feats as proof of their commitment
to the cause of Islam," he tells interrogators, while munching continuously from a box of
doughnuts provided by the interrogator. why the doughnuts? "He throws his food at the
guards," General Hood says, "so he loves to eat the doughnuts during the interrogatiori
sessions."
rapport-building works," Hood assures us. In support of the soft-handed approach, he cites
an extraordinary amount of actionable inteiligence that continues to flow out of the
interrogation rooms of Gitmo.
His revelation was a surprise to me. During my own career in the U.S. Army Special Forces,
I had been taught that intelligence, like bread, gets stale quickly. That may be true for
tactical intelligence of the sort I used in the field. Strategic intelligence, the kind
that we continue to collect at Gitmo, however, seems to have a much longer shelf life.
Today's interrogators are succeeding at mapping out the complex organizational and
financial structure of al-Qaeda in increasing detail, thereby uncovering networks that
need to be attacked and dismantled. They are uncovering new "sleeper" cells. They are
learning of temporarily shelved plans for new terrorist attacks, some of which have
subsequently been thwarted by law enforcement authorities in America and Europe.
Another surprise for me was learning that many of the U.S. interrogators are women. We
have all heard the salacious stories about using women to tease or embarrass the
detainees. I saw a different reality. The camp behavioral expert, a female Ph.D. who has
more than two years of experience at Gitmo, informed me that female interrogators have
been very effective.
acceptable and natural in their culture." She dresses demurely for her sessions. "I wear
long sleeves, an ankle-length dress, and little makeup." The interrogation room she enters
is sparsely furnished with leg cuffs to secure the prisoner, a one-way mirror, cameras,
and a distress button to summon help if needed.
"We review what we know of their backgrounds, try lots of apprO'aches, and work on them, to
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find something that they can relate to. Once we can get them t6 relate on a common item,
even something irrelevant and mundane, then we can begin to probe." It is a long, complex
process requiring great patience, and more than a little human empathy. It categorically
Intelligence gleaned from Gitmo is blended with information from other sources to connect
dots. We learned that one non-cooperative detainee had his cover penetrated just last
month by having his photo identified by a freshly captured fighter in Afghanistan. Once
confronted with his real identity, he began to talk ..
traveled. Several detainees have advanced degrees in law, engineering, and medicine from
American and European schools like the University of London. Others are highly skilled
'technical experts with advanced training and knowledge of electronics and demolitions.
(Some of these are contributing to our knowledge of al-Qaeda bombs found in Iraq.) Many of
these men occupied the top al-Qaeda echelons, and met frequently with bin Laden.
A lot of these men came· from middle-class or wealthy families. They come from 17 different
countries, but a great many are Saudi Arabian. They are not driven by poverty,
unemployment, or class deprivation. They are motivated by a virulent form of Islam that
promotes jihad and death to Western civilization. They will kill Americans-including
women and children-without conscience, for they are convinced that restoration of the
Islamic caliphate is their sole mission on this Earth.
Many readers will have heard stories about detainees sleeping in air-conditioned berths,
while the American troops guarding them sweated in tents. You may have heard that American
so~diers were eating MREs while the terrorists dined on three "hots" daily, providing
about 2,600 calories of carefully varied food. Those stories were correct.
Conditions for camp guards have been improved dramatically, however. I ate heartily with
the soldiers and sailors working the camps (the Navy supplies a large number of
experienced Masters at Arms), and learned how they feel about their mission. Universally,
they are proud of their work, although somewhat disappointed that the American public is
not more aware of the difficulties they undergo to keep us safe.
One young woman at my table, an Army private first class, was asked what she thought about
rhetoric in the American media, and from the mouths of elected officials like Senators
Richard Durbin (D-IL) and Ted Kennedy (D-MA) , describing our service members at Guantanamo
as "Nazis." Frowning, she answered, "It hurts my feelings to hear that junk. We try to do
as good a job as possible down here. These detainees are dangerous. They try to kill us
every time we get close to them, and would certainly kill Americans if released."
replied, breaking ~nto a grin. "Every time we get called those names we decide we're going
to show 'em. We focus on our mission and work harder."
Guards pUll several days of duty inside the wire, and are then rotated out. They need the
relief from the intense pressure inside. But the time outside is not R&R; training
procedural rules in the military. Supervision is constant, random inspections are common,
all supervisors in the chain of command are held responsible for the actions of
subordinates, and soldiers are schooled to report infractions.
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supre~e restraint, aware that eVen the slightest infraction will draw the fury and
condemnation of hyperbolic politicians and reporters who loathe our military and want
nothing more than to embarrass and damage American interests in this war.
For defense against irresponsible and slanderous charges, these men and women rely on
ordinary Americans--those of us who rest at home in the shadow of safety they cast.
Former Special Forces lieutenant colonel Gordon Cucullu is a frequent television

commentator on military matters.
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To: rUm". CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: Babbin (American Spectator)
By comparison to the EUnuchs' actions, Neville Chamberlain's 1938 Munich deal with Hitler looks like
masterful statesmanship.
Jed Babbin
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_artide.asp?artjd=8583
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i missed this in today's bird.
i have been thinking about the early bird items that don't make it. it seems like those items form the basis of those daily
items we should respond to at the minimum. even if we don't print them.
i would appreciate people's thoughts about that. tnx...
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From: Christopher C. DeMuth [mailto:CDeMuth@flM(d_
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:10 AM
To: Christopher C. DeMuth
SUbject: Gitmo Jive
Gitmo Jive
By Gordon Cucullu
www.taemag.com/issues/articleID.18656/article detail.asp
Guantanamo Bay, Cuba-In the fall of 2001, the U.S. Naval Facility at Guantanamo
Bay, Cuba ("Gitmo" to those who live here) was teetering on the edge of oblivion, with
a skeleton crew of fewer than 2,000 servicemembers on duty. Now a contingent of
more than 10,000 resides here. Behind that surge: the need for secure confinement of
a collection of human debris snatched from the battlefields of Afghanistan in early
2002.
These detainees" are not innocent foot soldiers, or confused Afghan opium farmers
II
drafted by the Taliban. They are Islamic fundamentalists from across the Middle East,
rabid jihadists who have dedicated their lives to the destruction of America and
Western civilization. Among the residents are al-Qaeda organizers, bomb makers,
financial specialists, recruiters of suicide attackers, and just plain killers. Many qf these
men met frequently with Osama bin Laden. The terrorist Maad Al Qahtani, a Saudi
who is a self-confessed collaborator with the Septelnber 11 hijackers, is one of many
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NY TIMES 7212
infamous captives.
In the opening salvos of the global war on terror, our forces took a lot of prisoners
from the battlefield. Estimates are that more than 70,000 Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters
were captured and screened. Of that number, approximately 800 were deemed of such
high value for intelligence purposes, or such a severe threat in their own person, that
they needed to be interrogated and confined in a secure locale from which they could
not easily escape or be rescued. Welcome to the new Gitmo.
I was able to observe conditions at the detention facility, firsthand, at the end of June,
when I was invited to join a group of ten former military and intelligence analysts on
an inspection tour. Briefings commenced aboard our aircraft shortly after take-off, and
security, interrogation, housing, and oversight of all the terrorists confined there.
forthcoming.
Who are these men?

including death threats that spill over to guards' families. All soldiers and sailors .
working "inside the wire" have blacked out their name tags so that the detainees.will
not learn their identities. Before that step was taken the terrorists were threatening to
tell their al-Qaeda pals still at large who the guards were. "We will look you up on the
Internet," the prisoners said. "We will find you and slaughter you and your family in
your homes at night. We will cut your throats like sheep. We will drink the blood of
the infidel."
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NY TIMES 7213
That is bad enough, but the terrorist prisoners throw more than words at the guards.
On a daily basis, American soldiers carrying out their duties within the maximum
security camp are barraged with feces, urine, semen, and spit hurled by the detainees.
Secretly fashioned weapons intended for use in attacking guards or fellow detainees
are confiscated regularly. When food or other items are passed through the "bean
hole" -an opening approximately 4 inches by 24 inches in the cell doors, the detainees
have grabbed at the wrists and arms of the Americans feeding them and tried to break
their bones.
When guards enter the cells to remove detainees for interrogation sessions, medical
visits, or any number of reasons, detainees sometimes climb on the metal bunks and
leap on the guards. They have crammed themselves under the bunks, requiring
several guards to extract them. Some have attacked unsuspecting soldiers with steel
chairs. Determined to inflict maximum damage, detainees have groped under the
protective face masks of the guards, clawing their faces and trying to gouge eyes and
tear mouths.
Keep in mind that our soldiers - young men and young ,women ...... are absolutely
forbidden from responding in kind. They are constrained to maintain absolute
discipline and follow humane operating procedures at all times, at risk of serious
punishment. Documents recently obtained by the Associated Press through a Freedom
of Information Act lawsuit show that one detainee punched a guard in the mouth,
knocking out his tooth, then began to bite the MP. Several guards were required tc?
repel the prisoner's attack; one soldier who came to the rescue delivered two blows to
the inmate's head with a handheld radio. For this he was dropped in rank to private.

soldier was disciplined for cursing at inmates. One guard punched a detainee after
being struck and spit on while placing the man in restraints in the prison hospital in
October 2004. ("My instincts took over after the hitting and spitting," the soldier wrote
in his report.) He was recommended for a reduction in rank to E-4, loss of a month's
pay, and extra duty for 45 days.
How cooperative a detainee is determines where he is housed, how much free time he
is given, whether he lives alone or in a group, and what color clothing he wears. The
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NY TIMES 7214
most dangerous wear an orange jump suit. Those who heed instructions earn a beige
jumpsuit, and those who are deemed to be fully compliant wear white. The latter
groups have daily recreation periods, live in groups of as many as ten, and receive
extra privileges. The compliance rating, by the way, has nothing to do with
cooperation with interrogators. Indeed, many fully compliant detainees have
maintained stoic silence, while some of the most notorious, dangerous prisoners speak
freely with interrogators.
Nearly all of these hardened terrorists have been well coached on how to be an
American captive. Given any opportunity, they will all claim torture and human rights
violations. They have been schooled on counter-interrogation techniques, on how to
construct and maintain a cover story, and other subterfuges to fool or deflect
interrogators.
Some detainees, including one classified as a "high value intelligence source" that I
was able to observe, take pride in discussing their activities and capabilities with
interrogators. The man I saw brags about Americans he has killed, other Muslims he
has terrorized, attacks he has planned and carried out, and what he will do to the
Americans if he has a chance. He is a leader, and affirms his high rank within the al
Qaeda chain. He has started or ended riotous behavior by fellow prisoners on more
than one occasion.
With twisted irony, this individual condenms prisoners who maintain silence for being
ashamed" of their past. "They ought to proclaim their feats as proof of their
II
commitment to the cause of Islam," he tells interrogators, while munching

continuously from a box of doughnuts provided by the interrogator. Why the
doughnuts? "He throws his food at the guards," General Hood says, "so he loves to
eat the doughnuts during the interrogation sessions."
rapport-building works," Hood assures us. In support of the soft-handed approach, he
cites an extraordinary amount of actionable intelligence that continues to flow out of
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NY TIMES 7215
the interrogation rooms of Gitmo.
His revelation was a surprise to me. During my own career in the U.S. Army Special
Forces, I had been taught that intelligence, like bread, gets stale quickly. That may be
true for tactical intelligence of the sort I used in the field. Strategic intelligence, the
kind that we continue to collect at Gitmo, however, seems to have a much longer shelf
life. Today's interrogators are succeeding at mapping out the complex organizational
and financial structure of al-Qaeda in increasing detail, thereby uncovering networks
that need to be attacked and dismantled. They are uncovering new" sleeper" cells.
They are learning of temporarily shelved plans for new terrorist attacks, some of
which have subsequently been thwarted by law enforcement authorities in America
and Europe.
Another surprise for me was learning that many of the U.S. interrogators are women.
We have all heard the salacious stories about using women to tease or embarrass the
detainees. I saw a different reality. The camp behavioral expert, a female Ph.D. who
has more than two years of experience at Gitmo, informed me that female
interrogators have been very effective.
acceptable and natural in their culture." She dresses demurely for her sessions. "I wear
long sleeves, an ankle-length dress, and little makeup." The interrogation room she
enters is sparsely furnished with leg cuffs to secure the prisoner, a one-way mirror,
cameras, and a distress button to summon help if needed.
"We review what we know of their backgrounds, try lots of approaches, and work on
them to find something that they can relate to. Once we can get them to relate on a
common item, even something irrelevant and mundane, then we can begin to probe."
It is a long, complex process requiring great patience, and more than a little human
empathy. It categorically rejects the use of drugs, coercion, or duress.
Intelligence gleaned from Gitmo is blended with information from other sources to
connect dots. We learned that one non-cooperative detainee had his cover penetrated
just last month by having his photo identified by a freshly captured fighter in
28
NY TIMES 7216
Afghanistan. Once confronted with his real identity, he began to talk.
traveled. Several detainees have advanced degrees in law, engineering, and medicine
from American and European schools like the University of London. Others are highly
skilled technical experts with advanced training and knowledge of electronics and'
demolitions. (Some of these are contributing to our knowledge of al-Qaeda bombs
found in Iraq.) Many of these men occupied the top al-Qaeda echelons, and met
frequently with bin Laden.
A lot of these men came from middle-class or wealthy families. They come from 17
different countries, but a great many are Saudi Arabian. They are not driven by
poverty, unemployment, or class deprivation. They are motivated by a virulent form
of Islam that promotes jihad and death to Western civilization. They will kill
Americans-including women and children-without conscience, for they are
convinced that restoration of the Islamic caliphate is their sole mission on this Earth.
Many readers will have heard stories about detainees sleeping in air-conditioned
berths, while the American troops guarding them sweated in tents. You may have
heard that American soldiers were eating MREs while the terrorists dined on three
. "hots" daily,·providing about 2,600 calories of carefully varied food. Those stories
were correct.
Conditions for camp guards have been improved dramatically, however. I ate heartily
with the soldiers and sailors working the camps (the Navy supplies a large number of
experienced Masters at Arms), and learned how they feel about their mission.
Universally, they are proud of their work, although somewhat disappointed that the
American public is not more aware of the difficulties they undergo to keep us safe.
One young woman at my table, an Army private first class, was asked what she
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thought about rhetoric in the American media, and from the mouths of elected officials
like Senators Richard Durbin (D-IL) and Ted Kennedy (D'-MA), describing our service
members at Guantanamo as "Nazis." Frowning, she answered, "It hurts my feelings to
hear that junk. We try to do as good a job as possible down here. These detainees are
dangerous. They try to kill us every time we get close to them, and would certainly kill
Americans if released."
replied, breaking into a grin. "Every time we get called those names we decide we're
going to show 'em. We focus on our mission and work harder."
Guards pull several days of duty inside the wire, and are then rotated out. They need
the relief from the intense pressure inside. But the time outside is not R&R; training
procedural rules in the military. Supervision is constant, random inspections are
common, all supervisors in the chain of command are held responsible for the actions
of subordinates, and soldiers are schooled to report infractions.

supreme restraint, aware that even the slightest infraction will draw the fury and
condemnation of hyperbolic politicians and reporters who loathe our military and
want nothing more than to embarrass and damage American interests in this war.
For defense against irresponsible and slanderous charges, these men and women rely
on ordinary Americans - those of us who rest at home in the shadow of safety they
cast.
Former Special Forces lieutenant colonel Gordon Cucullu is afrequent television commentator
on military matters.
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(b)(6)
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, elV, OASD-PA
SUbject RE: Media Analyst Trip to Afghanistan
yes there was a similiar ban. Mr. Di Rita sent an email explaining the nature of the
visit and once the CG had full understanding they cleared the trip. I am checking on the
availability of the senior leadership now.
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA
SUbject: Re: Media Analyst Trip to Afghanistan
If the leadership is traveling that is problematic, no?
As to the ban on travel, I think we should work around this but we need the dates
leadership will be available. Was there a similar ban before we took the analysts to
iraq?
From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA <Dallas.Lawrence~
To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA <Allison.Barber~ Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
<Eric.Ruff@ij~~
Sent: Mon Aug 15 07:35:46 2005
Subject: Fw: Media Analyst Trip to Afghanistan
Fyi, this needs engagement above my pay grade if we want to make it happen today.
Hope you both had a nice weekend.
Dl
-----Ori~inal Messa.----
From: U5tlH COL USA CFC-A
PAO DIRECTOR
To: 'Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA'
<Dallas.Lawrence
CC: CAPT. (USN)' • (USA)
•
Sent: Sat Aug 13 09:36:57 2005
Subject: RE: Media Analyst Trip to Afghanistan
As I mentioned t·o your earlier, due to the OPTEMPO here, there is now a visitor moratorium
in effect during through Sep. As such, CODEL's and FO/GO's have been re-scheduled for
OCT. Approval for this visit will take an exception to policy to get approved.
The dates you list are not good dates. Not only because of the OPTMEPO, but our
leadership is traveling during this timeframe.
My recommendation is either a telephonic conf call interview or they Should hitch-a-ride
with the CJCS.
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COL_
COL (b)(6)
CFC-A Public Affairs Officer
DSN: (b)(2)
C: (b)(2)
Sent: Frid~~, August 12, 2005 9:06 PM
To: 'Col ~rd (E-mail) ,
col,
mr ruff asked me for an update this morning, was hoping to get your read on how best to
rapidly proceed. thank you again sir
Sent: Thursday, August II, 2005 2:56 PM
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; 'Col "rjilftlWftP.ri--- (E-mail)
I
Cc: ,. Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT,

OASD-PA
these analysts are very credible and it is highly worthwhile to provide them as much .
access and real information as possible. i would point out that while it is beneficial to
brief these guys on the issues, they are independent and they will ask tough questions and
provide viewers their individual analyses. that being said, i hope we can pull this
together. thanks, eric
To: 'Col ~ftfGi (E-mail) I
Cc: ~~f=i Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA;
Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PA
Col,
Pleasure talking with you today.
with the upcoming elections on September 15th and the lack of attention being paid by the
media to the enormous successes of the military in Afghanistan, OSDPA is hoping to bring a
small group of our most senior retired military analysts to the country at the end of the
month. While the travel party is not confirmed yet, a few of the likely analysts we will
be inviting are:

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Lieutenant Colonel Bill Cowan (USMC, Retired)
Lieutenant Colonel RObert L. Maginnis (USA, Retired)
Again, these are not hostile media, but are our most senior media analysts that serve as
message force multipliers for DoD. I also understand the Air Force is very interested in
raising awareness for their medivac operations at Ramstein, we would look to incorporate
that as well on the back end.
Current plans call for the analysts, along with a senior DoD escort, to fly commercial
into Germany, then fly military air into Afghanistan on or around 26 August, departing on
or around the 29th (one overnight in country). In coordination with your folks and the
CG, we would like to build a robust schedule of hands on briefings that will give our
folks solid talking points to bring back to the states and to the media (i.e. your message
points). Based on past trips with these folks (Iraq and GITMO), I would expect this trip
to pay huge dividends with regard to media access.
I know this is short fused, however, I think the trip will be a huge plus for all
involved, General Casey in !raq seemed very pleased with the results from our trip out
there 2 weeks before the elections in January. These folks had a personal meeting with
the SECDEF and the CJCS on Tuesday and it is clear that they would benefit from hands on
in country experience.
Thank you sir for your guidance on how best to proceed given our short turn around time.
vr/
Dallas B. Lawrence
W) (b)(2)
Cc: Col Mmlii (E-mail)
Subject: Media Analyst Trip to Afghanistan
Dallas,
Because your desired dates are coming up so quickly, you should send col~ who is
cc'd on this email the concept plan. He will assign someone from his staff to work with
you.
Roxie T. Merritt
Captain, U.S. Navy
Director/DoD Press Operations
Office of the Assistant Secretary of Deferise for Public Affairs
Pentagon, Room tn,WJW
Washin ton, DC 20301-1400
,
cell ,
roxie.merr~tt
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(b)(6)
From:
Sent:
To: • (b)161_ _ ashct@flMlri Glenstrae77
iiiiiiiiiiiililc.,v, OASD·PA; WSSlnter~

Subject:
By comparison to the EUnuchs' actions, Neville Chamberlain's 1938 Munich deal with Hitler looks like
masterful statesmanship.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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(b)(6)
From: rmJ(ij IelV, OASD-PA

To: MMlH CIV, OASD·PA; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD
PA; RUff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
Subject: FW: On the Air: Dillon on FOX
fyi.
rm
From: Dillon, Dana [mailto:dana.dillon~
Sent: Friday, August 12, 20054:42 PM
To: rmTli1 (E-mail)
Subject: FW: On the Air: Dillon on FOX
Today at 4:40 p.m. on WMET Radio's "The Unda Chavez Show," Senior Fellow Peter Brookes will discuss the
troop situation in Iraq. Listen at 1160 on your AM dial, or at www.wmet1160.com
On Sunday at 12:15 p.m. on the FOX News Channel's ·Weekend Live witl1 Brian Wilson," Senior Fellow Peter
Brookes will discuss his recent State Dept public diplomacy tour through Australia and Papua New Guinea.
On Monday at 1 :15 p.m. on the FOX News Channel's "Dayside with Linda Vester," Senior Policy Analyst Dana
Dillon will discuss how the US treats military prisoners.
This message (and any associated files) is intended only for the use of. •
and may contain information that is confidential.
If you are notfi5flA ·ou should not disseminate, distribute or copy this email.
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of Dana Dillon
and do not necessarily represent those of The Heritage Foundation.
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-------------
From: ~mGi CIV, OASD-PA
SUbject: RE: FOX TV CABLE NEWS Sunday
he's a nut, but he's fun.
sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 2:44 PM
To: rUUM , CIV, OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, OV, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: FOX lV CABLE NEWS Sunday
geez, have i met this guy! he sounds great.
-----Original Mess~ge-----
From:rmfld. CIV,OASD-PA
sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 2: 11 PM
To: Barber, Allison, OV, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
Subject: FW: FOX lV CABLE NEWS Sunday
fyi.
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-----Original MessClge----
From: Major Andy Messing [mailto:ndd~
To: gdecint@UmdW
Subject: Fw: FOX TV CABLE NEWS Sunday
SUbject: FOX TV CABLE NEWS Sunday
Dear Friends...
1'/1 be on FOX NEWS TV this Sunday•••• outta Miami......after 2PM.... before 2:25PM talking about Special
Operations F6rces their utility in counter-terrorism... how the "Quality approach VS the Quantity" approach has
major advantages how using the surgical knife VS the Sledgehammer in the China Shop" makes sense in an
age of Nuclear Proliferation ..."Gladiator Warfare" is fugal, politically, money-wise, and manpower-wise.
So... if you aren't surfing, salling, parachuting, motorcycling, repelling, or jetskiing.... tune in ! Hopefully, I won't
embarrass myself... drooling and twitching and such...
Regards,.ANDY
P.S. I always take "Dick the Dog "to the shoot... he sits underneath my chair.... as he's been to dozens of these
NY TIMES 7224
(b)(6)

SUbject: RE: Media Analyst Trip to Afghanistan
thank you sir.
·-·-·Orlginal Message----
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD·PA; 'Col wtli\-iliw.ll':lalW.-E-mail)'
Cc: liMa Barber, Allison, av, OASD·PA; Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT,OASD-PA
these analysts are very credible and it is highly worthwhile to provide them as much access and real information as
possible. i woul9 point out that while it is beneficial to brief these guys on the issues, they are independent and they
will ask tough questions and provide viewers their individual analyses. that being said, i hope we can pull this together.
thanks, eric
-----Orlginal Message·---
Sent: Thursda Au ust 11,200511:33 AM
To: 'Col.... E-mail)'
Cc:. • Barber, Allison, OV, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: Media Analyst TrIp to Afghanistan
Col,
Pleasure talking with you today.
With the upcoming elections on September 15th and the lack of attention being paid by the media to the
enormous successes of the military in Afghanistan, OSDPA is hoping to bring a small group of our most senior
retired military analysts to the country at the end of the month. While the travel party is not confirmed yet, a few
of the likely analysts we will be inviting are:
Again, these are not hostile media, but are our most senior media analysts that serve as message force multipliers
for DoD. I also understand the Air Force is very interested in raising awareness for their medivac operations at
Ramstein, we would look to incorporate that as well on the back end.
Current plans call for the analysts, along with a senior DoD escort, to fly commercial into Germany, then fly
military air into Afghanistan on or around 26 August, departing on or around the 29th (one overnight in country).
In coordination with your folks and the CG, we would like to build a robust schedule of hands on briefings that
will give our folks solid talking points to bring back to the states and to the media (i.e. your message points).
Based on past trips with these folks (Iraq and GITMO), I would expect this trip to pay huge dividends with regard
to media access.
I know this is short fused, however, I think the trip will be a huge plus for all involved, General Casey in Iraq
seemed very pleased with the results from our trip out there 2 weeks before the elections in January. These folks
had a personal meeting with the SECDEF and the CJCS on Tuesday and it is clear that they would benefit from
hands on in country experience.
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Thank you sir for your guidance on how best to proceed given our short turn around time.
vr,
Dallas B. Lawrence

W) •
··--·Original Message-·--
From: Menitt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD·PA
Cc: colra5W_ (E-mail)
Subject: Media Analyst Trip to Afghanistan
Dallas,
Because your desired dates are coming up so qUickly, you should send~ who is cc'd on this email
the concept plan. He will assign someone from his staff to work with you.
Roxie T. Merritt
Captain, U.S. Navy
Pentagon, RoomrI5TB1
~ 20301-1400
'ceii~
roxie.merritt@MmW
NY TIMES 7226
1-..-_ _- - - - - - -
From: . mmDIII CIV, OASD-PA
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 20054:39 PM
Subject: RE: Phone Message Sir
you mean the note you passed me during the petreaus brief?? did you see the email i just sent you about going on the
26th since sd is now not going??
last convo i had with salveson was that i said i wasn't sure what you'd want to do, but that i'd talk to you and get back to
him. so, j'm assuming he's trying to pre-empt you from calling gen. hood......
-----Orlglnal Message----
Sent: T * i I i August 09, 20054:33 PM
To: rmtm ,OV, OASD-PA
SUbject: fIN: Phone Message Sir
do i still need to call him in light of the message i sent you? let's look at a gtmo visit the last part of august.
From: • • YNl OASD-PA
Cc:rLifld aV,OASD-PA
SUbject: Phone Message Sir
LtCOI_
DSN_
Subject Military analyst visit to Gitmo Cuba
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NY TIMES 7227
(b)(6)
From: tmtm CIV, OASD-PA

To: Oi Rita, Larry, elV, OSD-OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD
PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; Richard, Joseph, Col OASD-PA; Romley, David Capt.
USMC, OASD-PA;~OASD-PA;tmTlii SFC,OASD-PA;rJ:mm
~ A ; ~ I V ,OSD; Thorp, Frank, CAPT, OCJCS/PA;
~ Col, OCJCS/PA
SUbject: read ahead for mil analysts roundtable tomorrow
Attachments: Read Ahead B.9.OS.doc; Picture (Metafile)
attached is the most up-to-date read ahead for the military analysts roundtable. please note that the times and briefers have changed
since the one that the secretary was given earlier this evening.
thanks
m
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(69 KB)
rOOirz lly
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re\m1 The Pentagon
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Read Ahead
a.9.0S.doc (73 KB)
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Updated August 8, 2005
READ AHEAD FOR SECRETARY OF DEFENSE DONALD RUMSFELD
MEETING WITH RETIRED MILITARY ANALYSTS
Dateffime: TUESDAY, AUGUST 9, 2005; 12:30-3:00 PM
Location: 3E928
~ackground:
• Fifteen retired military analysts who serve as military/defense experts for major media outlets.
• Last outreach meeting with this group was June 2005.
• Comments should be considered on background.
Timeline:
12:30 p.m. Welcome and Introduction

• Ms. Allison Barber, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Internal
Communications and Public Liaison
12:31 p.m. Update on Current Operations in Iraq

• Lt. Gen. Conway, Director of Operations, J-3
1:05 p.m. Overview of guarding against and responding to terrorist attacks in the U.S.
• The Honorable Paul McHale, Assistant Secretary of Defense for Homeland
Defense
1:35 p.m. Break
1:50 p.m. Update on the Global War on Terror

• Richard B. Myers, Chainnan of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
2:15 p.m. Discussion and Questions with Secretary of Defense
3:00 p.m. Meeting Concludes
Attachments:
Tab A: List of Attendees
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As of August 8. 2005 - 6:30 pm
MEETING WITH SECRETARY RUMSFELD
Retired Military Analysts
TUESDAY, AUGUST 9,2005 12:30-3:00 PM
PARTICIPANTS

. Lieutenant General Frank B. Campbell (USAF, Retired)
General William F. "Buck" Kernan (USA, Retired)
Lieuterfant Colonel Carlton Sherwood (USMC, Retired)
Wayne Simmons (USN, Retired)
Captain Robert R. Timberg (USMC, Retired)
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(b)(6)

Sent: Friday, August 05,20053:05 PM
To: Ruff Eric SES OASD-PA; ~lnll~md-- CIV, OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA;
(b)(6) CoIOASD-PA
Cc: elV, OASD-PA
Sure -- but are you sure you are not his agent

Sent: Friday, AUiust OS, 2005 2:53 PM
To: riiMM CIV, OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA~OI OASD·PA
spoke to larry and he'll do an interview. we'll need to get call-in number and sked a specific time. bryan, is this something
thatfJ)\tT:lWshould take on, now? thanks.
-----Original MessaQe---
From: hij;d"'~"lil~.- CIV, OASD-PA
Sent: Friday, August OS, 2005 9:33 AM
Subject: jed babbin
wants to interview larry on the greg garrison wibc radio show (indy market--he's had myers and rummy on this particular show) on
monday. he saw larry's oped today and wants to talk to him about it. he's hosting from 10·1 and would take larry any time that
would work for him. would like to see if he can get him for at least 20 minutes. also, would like to see if he'd be game to' take
ca.l1s???
thanks
mJ
Res ect L111,
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050 PubLic Affairs
Community ReLatiolls alld PubLic Liaison
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Military Analysts Call

USMC Lt. Gen. Conway
Aug. 4, 2005
Host: Ms. Allison Barber
2E572 The Pentagon
Staff: Mr. Ruff, OASD-PA; CDRrlltmllltl!Ra• • • Joint Chiefs; _OASD-PA; Jim
Garamone, AFPS ..
Transcriber:rmtldW
ON BACKGROUND
Ms. Barber: Thanks for joining us today. We want to get started right away. We
appreciate your interest and your time today. General Conway, thank you for being here,
and for your time. And with that, just as a reminder, this is on background. We've got a
couple opening statements, I think you were going to talk about a few things and then
we'll go into questions.
LtGen Conway: Yes, I would just briefly. Hey guys, good to be with you again. Jim·
Conway here. I've got maybe three things I'd like to touch on and then I'd like to spring
it open for your questions.
First, I know there's some level of interest in exactly what it was that our vehicle struck
yesterday out near Haditha. It started out in first reports as a mine, then it went to lED,
this morning the informal word coming out of MNF-W is that it was a triple-stacked anti
tank mine.
Voice: You guys are breaking up pretty bad. Could you say that again general, please?
LtGen Conway: Yeah. I'll say it again. The explosive that the AA V struck was a triple
stacked anti-tank mine laid on the roadway. I've seen some pictures this morning. The
crater looks to be seven to eight feet across and maybe three or four feet deep. So it's not
one of these massive things that we've seen in the past, but significant nevertheless
enough to knock the vehicle upside down and really split it open. So it's unfortunate to
say that our young Marines never really had a chance.
On Iraqi battalions. I watched a program last night, and one of the commentators talked
about the TWO Iraqi battalions out of90 that are capable of fighting. That's a real
distortion in my mind. There are various evaluation techniques taking place in the theater.
The figure 90 is roughly accurate; I think it's probably closer to 100 or so. But of that
number, four-fifths are currently fighting alongside American forces. And so I think
we've got to be careful to holding them to to high a standard.
If we say that they're completely able to independently operate, that's sort oflevel one.
But the Iraqis, in fact, don't have a logistics and intelligence - I think a sophisticated
command-and-control system, and without those things they're never going to really be
able to fight without us. Now those things are being created. But in the meantime, the
reports we're getting back is that these guys are doing pretty doggone good with regard to
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small-unit tactics, you know, squad-level, platoon-level, company-level stuff. So I think

we need to give credit to some young Iraqis out there that are looking out onto the
horizon and trying to do the right thing.
The third thing has to do with numbers of attacks and just the lethality of all of that. It
might surprise you to hear that we're seeing about 500 attacks a week or so. That comes
to a rough cut average of about 70 a day. That's actually less than we were sustaining at
this time last year.
Now some would say that the lethality is up. Once again, I got some figures from our J-l
before stepping over here. In fact, casualty - I'm talking killed now in action - are
roughly the same from January through July of2004, as they are January through July of
2005. Total numbers of casualties are actually do':"O from the period leading up to the
election, the sovereignty period, the election period, they're down a little bit, averaging
roughly 100 or so a week.
Now, the numbers ofIraqi civilians, and the numbers ofIraqi security forces are up, and I
think that reflects the lethality thing of some of these suicide bombers getting closer in to
their targets, some of the sizes of the suicide VBIEDs, and so forth, and I think. that you
would say and our national population ought to say that we somewhat expect Iraqi
security force casualties to go up as they continue get more engaged.
So I would just offer those three points to start with and then turn it over to you all for
questions.
Mr. Garrett: Hey sir, it's John Garrett.
LtGen Conway: John I just lost a bet. Go ahead.
Mr. Garrett: I should know this, but the security forces, two basic groups there. You've
got the several brands of police-type security forces -
LtGen Conway: Yup.
Mr. Garrett: And then you've got the military on the other hand. Are all those being
trained under the oversight ofMNSTCI (Multi-National Security Transition Command
Iraq)?
LtGen Conway: Yes, John, they both come under MNSTCI. In fact, my deputy director
Joe Peterson is just coming back Baghdad today and he's going to go over for duty in
about another month or so. He will be the guy in charge of police training. The three star
has two general officers working for him, one who trains the military and one who trains
the police. But both come under the heading of MNSTCI who provides for the training
facilities, the equipment, the embeds, those types of things.
Mr. Garrett: Thank you.
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Mr. Allard: Hey general, Ken Allard. You certainly were prophetic last month when you
warned us about the higher lethalities with the IEDs, that certainly seems to have been the
case. What I'm wondering are two questions. Are you concerned about the fact that we
appear to be setting some patterns in the tactical operations? And the larger question is, of
course, having cleared these areas, and certainly Haditha is not the only one, we can talk
about Fallujah, or for that matter, the airport road to Baghdad. Do we have enough forces
over there to actually secure what we've already fought for? Or are we doing the same
. thing that we saw (inaudible) to Vietnam.
LtGen Conway: Yeah, solid copy, Ken. First of all on patterns. You know, maybe. I think
it probably depends upon the tactical situation. I've got to tell you, as you look at the
ground and do the analysis of that area around Haditha, you got the link to the north, very
large lake, and the dam, that's somewhat restrictive that direction, you've got a built up
areajust west of the river, you've got a power line and an access roadway then that leads
down south, southeast from the dam, and that's where both the snipers were hit, as well
as where the track took the strike.
So, to the extent that those folks were maybe operating along the same routes, avoiding
the built-up population, unable to go north, I don't know. But I could - I could see where
that could be the case on that particular piece of ground. You know, commanders over
there stress NOT doing that of course, but in some ways it's unavoidable.
My oldest son just checked in a couple of weeks ago, he's operating out of Fallujah and
he's got responsibility for MSR (main supply route)-Michigan, MSR-Mobile from Abu
Ghraib on over to Fallujah. You know, kind oftough to break a pattern. You gotta be out
there, you gotta be working it, you gotta be primarily anchored on those MSRs (inaudible
- because?) that's where the majority of the traffic is. So how do you get creative and
change your patterns when those are your taskings? That said, people are conscious of it
and people realize that if you do get complacent with it, certainly bad things can happen.
On the second issue, do we have enough troops? You know, I think so, we're operating
from fixed bases, mobile patrols getting out and doing the necessary saturation of the
locations, one - where we think the bad guys are and then making sure they're not where
we don't think they are if you'll pardon the use of a double negative.
But we are posting people where we've been more and more, Ken, in the west and these
people are wearing Iraqi uniforms. And that's as it should be if we're ever going to get
out of there, I think, is that those folks are going to have to assume that responsibility. So
we, with them, clear it and then we build places where they can both operate out of
themselves and rest with some assurance against the VBIEDs or suicide VBIEDs.
Mr. Allard: I would agree with that, because if anybody (who?) is going to alert you to
hey, the other guy's setting a pattern here it ought to be those Iraqi troops.
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LtGen Conway: Well, you're exactly right. You know, we had a conversation this
morning with the Chairman on more ISR, but ISR in urban insurgency isn't necessarily
the answer. It's much more to do with human intelligence, and that's where we've got to
really capitalize on the Iraqis.
Mr. McInerny: Jim, Tom McInerny.
LtGen Conway: Yes sir.
Mr. McInerny: It appears to me, I mean following up on this question, is our shortage all
along has been intelligence. It isn't the size of the forces we have, it's intelligence, and of
course, you tie that in with the rat lines in from - in Syria, the support from Syria. So I
am kind of asking you two questions. Do we really have good enough intelligence, the
HUMINT, to react with the operative intelligence? And then, of course, what do we do
about Syria? That's always going to be a problem til I believe you're given cross-border
authority and other covert abilities. Could you comment on those points?
LtGen Conway: Yes sir, I would. You know, I would have answered the question on
intelligence very differently six or eight months ago when I was there, because we were
just NOT getting the available HUMINT that we needed to do the jobs. And part of that
was that our (HET? - HAT? Humanitarian assistance teams?) teams couldn't get out,
couldn't do the civil affairs things that sort oflead to those types of opportunities when
you mix with the civilian population.
It is quantum better now. I've seen some charts coming out of theater on the numbers of
HUMINT reports, hotline reports on a national hotline, local reports that are being given
- more to the Iraqis. And that's the beauty of getting these forces out there with us, is
that they're, you know, they're pretty proud of their Iraqi boys. They've got about a 75
percent approval rate with the military and the police. And the people that want to see the
country eventually stabilized realize that that's how it's going to happen, and these bits of
HUMINT are given to these guys, and of course they take advantage of it.
There was a figure - it's probably about 30 days old now, but there was a 10-fold growth
in the numbers of hotline reports when it was open nationwide. And I think a lot of this
has got to do, again, with the growth of the Iraqi security forces.
Syria is a problem. And they're doing some, but I think it's in everybody's belief that
they can and should do more. And I think there will be continual pressure to bear, both
internationally and certainly on the part of the Coalition forces to try to get them to do
more.
You know, but that said, I think there's some thing that can be done on the Iraqi side of
the border as well, personally. I tend to think that if we're going to say that it's a priority
that we shut down the rat lines, and if we are concerned that there may be a higher
percentage of foreign fighters coming in, then there are some things that need to be done
on the Iraqi side without starting another front, if you know what I mean. And I think that
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the Iraqi government and probably our people there are starting to come to grips with
that.
There's not a problem down on the Kuwaiti border with people coming across. And
that's because there's an electrified fence, there's a tank ditch, there's a 30-foot crevice in
the earth, and there's about three kilometers of standoff between those things. So, you
know, at some point if we get serious about constructing border obstacles out there I
think we can help ourselves a great deal.
Border (points? Ports? ) are going up, but probably not at the rate that you or I would
like.
Mr. McInerney: Aren't we going to have to do something covertly in Syria? I know no

one wants a new front -
LtGen Conway: Yeah.
Mr. McInerney: But the fact is it certainly sends a signal that even if given cross-border
authority to the Multi-National Forces sends a signal to the Syrians they've got to do
more. I know we've been reluctant to want to do that, but I think you're fighting with
your hands tied behind your back.
LtGen Conway: Tom, I might agree with you, others might agree with you, but clearly I
can't talk about it here. .
Mr. McInerney: I understand.
LtGen Conway: OK.
Mr. Maginnis: General, Bob Maginnis. A two-part question. One has to do with the 17
alleged al Qaeda that were arrested in Jordan the last couple of days, (mostly
threatening?) our interests over there. Are we seeing that sort of thing in the
neighborhood out of Iraq in a sustained level, increasing or decreasing? The second part
is in Basra, and the Shia radicals increase. At least, the murder of this young journalist
the other day, what he wrote about suggested a corrupt police and that there was a lot of
influence from next door Iran. Can you comment on either one?
LtGen Conway: You know, I'm not familiar with the specific incident of the 17 arrested
in Jordan, but it's starting to follow a pattern. You know, the way that we're going to win
this larger global war on terrorism, men, I believe is through empowering the moderates.
And I think that some of the other countries in the region are starting to get it. You all
mayor may not have heard that there was a convention of 1i Arab countries taking place
right now at Sharm el..;Sheik (?) in Egypt. And to me, that is a very symbolic gesture that
we're starting to have it up to here with the extremism and at some points the moderates
are going to have to take charge and get us out of this situation we're in.
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So it's not surprising at all that nations in the region who have come together at other
conferences and sworn support to Iraq would say, hey, we've got people that are being
farmed in our own countries, to be brought into Iraq, to be some of these suicide
bombers, and it sort of starts there.
And so, I know we've been making the point that you all can help us with that, and in this
instance, I'm glad to hear that they may be.
In Basra, certainly the incident with the American journalist I think is a 'story unto itself.
Apparently he had written some things critical of some folks down there. That's a
dangerous thing to do when you travel unescorted and stay in places where he was
staying.
But beyond that, you know, there are some very wise Iraqis that I've sat with in Baghdad
who've said our first problem is the insurgency, our second problem is the Iranian
influence that's gotten into our country since the war. And they think they're going to
have to root it out of the country and of the politics without going to civil war. And
they're wrestling with how they do that.
There is, of course, much more support for a very strict government in the south than
there is with the Kurds or with the Sunnis, and Basra I suspect is pretty much the center
of that. You could argue that Najafis sort of the second seat, again, with the religion
associated with that city.
Beyond that, I can't talk to it. You know, I think that you also have moderates there say
that that may be the Shia preferred fonn but we're going to have to come together with
the Kurds and the Sunnis to make this whole thing work and so it can't be all one or the
other.
Mr. Babbin: General, Jed Babbin. To follow on kind of on parallel with what Tom was
asking about, do we have the cross border problem as bad from Iran as we do with Syria?
LtGen Conway: You know, we had an incident just this last week where some smugglers
fired on the Iraqi border patrol and left pretty much unimpeded. I think that we don't
have as significant a problem with regard to foreign fighters coming in from that
direction. Some of the technology that we spoke about previously with IEDs I do think
came from Hezbollah by way ofIran. Actually, those devices are being found more in the
Shia communities right now than they are in the Sunni, and that's somewhat encouraging
because, again, they haven't proliferated.
But no, I don't think we're seeing the numbers of foreign fighters coming across. Other
untoward types of influences, absolutely. But not the rat lines that were referenced by the
first or second question.
Mr. Babbin: Thank you.
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Mr. Nash: General, Chuck Nash. There was a question in an article that appeared
yesterday about the sniper teams - the two sniper teams that got interdicted. In the article
. there were two scenarios. Neither one of them made much sense to me and I'm asking if
you could clarify this if you know at this point. And that is, one scenario was that the
teams were basically surrounded up on the top of a hill or a mountain, asked to surrender,
and according to the article the bad guys said they didn't surrender, so we killed them.
The second scenario was that they were walking through a neighborhood and were
ambushed. Neither one ofthose scenarios sounds plausible to me; one, the first one
because they would have called in air support, and the second one because as far as I
know, Marine snipers don't stroll through neighborhoods. So what happened there? Do
we know yet?
LtGen Conway: Chuck we don't know yet for sure. And we may never know because
they were not in radio contact and I am not sure the forensics of the site are going to give
us an exact portrayal. We'll probably capture some of those bastards sooner or later and
then story may come out, if we can believe it.
I'll tell you what we do know and, once again, it's not a lot. Two teams moving together,
a third team out moving independently. They were in radio contact with each other, but
they were not transmitting at the time that these guys were taken under fire. The third
team reported that they heard a sudden burst of fire lasting five to seven seconds and then
silence. Now, at that point we can only offer conjecture. I will tell you that they were not
in a built-up area. I've seen an overhead of the grid coordinates. It was open terrain. I've
flown over that terrain any number of times. It's, again, on the east side of the river pretty
much south, southwest of the Haditha Dam and therefore - I'm sorry, south, southeast of
Haditha Dam and southeast of Haditha. Pretty much open ground.
All we can offer in terms of conjecture is probably one of two things. Either they were
taken under fire by a very well-laid ambush and they just didn't have a chance, or Iraqis
got in close. And I wouldn't want to do more conjecture on what type of Iraqis, how they
may have been dressed, what words might have been exchanged, if any, those type of
things.
What I can tell you is that they were not overrun by 30 or 40 guys that got out of pickup
trucks a couple hundred yards away and came at them. In open ground like that these
guys would have nailed a dozen or more. They're great shots and that ground lends itself
to that.
We had an instance when I was the MEF commander where we lost a couple sniper
teams on top of a building in Ramadi. And we found after some weeks that there was an
Iraqi construction crew that was working in that building and they had fed and watered
these guys on two or three separate occasions previously. On the third or fourth time they
came up with pistols in their belt bands, when the Marines got occupied, they shot them.
So, something like that - I don't know; I simply don't know and we probably shouldn't
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offer conjecture. But that five second -- 5-to-7 second thing I think points towards one or
the other scenario.
Mr. Nash: OK, thank you.
Ms. Barber: We probably have time for one more question, ifthere's one more to have.
Mr. Nash: If! could, Chuck Nash again. This battalion out of Ohio. .You take the snipers
and the IEDs, that's 21 Marines out of small battalion. We were chatting before you came
on the line about, you know, where the D-Day memorial is in Virginia. That is a
tremendous sacrifice from that area. Could you tell me, what is the Marine Corps - I
know this is out of your Joint hat - but what is the Marine Corps doing to address those
families, the state people there?
LtGen Conway: Yeah, Chuck, I don't know yet. I suspect there will be some things. I
know yesterday morning the Marine Corps was augmenting its (CACO teams?) to try to
make sure that we got words to the families as rapidly as we could without delay.
They were contacting congressmen, and congresswomen actually, in the areas where
these folks were from, hoping to marshal some additional support I think, and do the
courtesy thing. This goes back to Civil War days when you had, you know, large chunks
of units that were killed almost at the same time, so it's almost unprecedented in terms of
recent warfare.
There will be more, I'm sure. What, I don't know at this point; I guess it's just premature
to say. But certainly, as, you know, as everybody that's talked on it has said, our hearts
and prayers go outto the community because it's got to be a shock.
Mr. Nash: Thank you.
LtGen Conway: Hey guys, one point I would close with if I can. You know, I - there's a
great article I didn't get to finish reading today but I sure got the gist of it. I think it's in
the Wall Street Journal. You know you got Zawahri here all over the air waves today;
you've got the events over the last couple days and these people trying to take credit for
it. You know, it's absolutely terrible that we lost that number of Marines over a two-day
period and they were the tactical target, but the strategic target remains our population.
We can lose people day-in and day-out, but they're never going to beat our military.
What they can and will do if they can is strip away our support. And you guys can help us
not let that happen.
Voice: General, I just made that point on the air. The way that I think you can help us in
that cause is to simply underline those points in unmistakable terms every chance you
get.
LtGen Conway: Let's work it together, guys. Thank you.
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Ms. Barber: Thank you.
Voices: Thank you. Take care.
Call ends.
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PART TWO - internal conversation

Military Analysts Call
USMC Lt. Gen. Conway
Aug. 4, 2005
2E572 The Pentagon
Staff: Mr. Ruff, OASD-PA; CDR ~oint Chiefs; _ OASD-PA; Jim
Garamone, AFPS.
Transcriber:MMlij i
ON BACKGROUND
ADDENDUM: after call ends, conversation continues.
Male voice (Mr. Garamone): The number ofIraqi forces seems to be stuck around
170,000. Now I know we're, what, 93,000 I think from the police side and 70-some odd
thousand on the military side. Is it because it's summer? Or, I mean, I thought we were
turning folks out pretty regularly.
LtGen Conway: I would have said that, too. I know we're on schedule. You know, 270 is
sort of the magic figure for a year from now. There's no shortage of these guys signing
on. There's no sort of lull in the training pipeline or momentum; I don't think there's
equipment issues. So it seems to me to grow up a couple thousand every time I look at it
and 170, well
Female Voice: It's actually 175, sir.
LtGen Conway: It's over 175 is the --
Mr. Garamone: The last one I saw was 171,900, and we've been saying, the Secretary
and the Chairman have been saying for about a month now 170, so.
LtGen Conway: It's up over 175 now. And just about every week we report another class
graduating 12-1,300 people. I saw an article - maybe two days ago now - where there
was a mild riot down in Basra because some of the Iraqi boys had paid some money to
ensure that would be recruited - or enlisted. And the door closed before they got there, so
they weren't pleased. It's not a pleasant story because it reflects some graft taking place,
but the fact is there's no shortage of people that are wanting to be a part of the military
even though we see the events and we see the targeting that's taking place with guys.
Mr. Garamone: All right, thanks.
End of tape.
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However hard it may be, I'd like to see about finding time next week to get the military
analysts in. We had to canx the day after last trip and they could always benefit from
hearing from him, as indicated in the squib below from'rei11y last nite.
It will be at least as useful application of his time as the nth degree crawford brief.
We'll work on it .
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billa reilly -- see below from last night's show.
Washington Post
August 5/ 2005
Pg. 13
In The Loop
By A1 Kamen
Rumsfe1d Honeymoon Fades Away
Time to reboot the old Loop Rummy Watch. The fortunes of Secretary of Defense Donald H.
Rumsfe1d have waxed -- The fall of Baghdad, April 2003 -- and waned -- Abu Ghraib, April
2004 -- during his tenure.
There were calls for his firing after Abu Ghraib -- and he twice offered his resignation
to President Bush in the wake of that outrage. It's been relatively smoother sailing since
then.
But the tragic losses in Iraq in recent days are likely to spark intense criticism -- not
just from the "cut and run" crowd, or the more gradualist "cut and walk" folks, but even
from the staunchest backers of the administration's Iraq policy.
So Wednesday night, on Fox's "The O'Reilly Factor," none other than the host himself was
jumping on Rumsfe1d for his handling of the war,
One O'Reilly guest, retired Army Col. David Hunt, author of a book, "They Just Don't Get
It," said: "Baghdad is still a disaster. , , . You still can't drive to the airport" and
there is "rampant corruption" by "Iraqi government officials, the Iraqi contractors and
some American contractors [who] are stealing money in the billions of dollars" that is
"supposed to be helping the Iraqis."
Another guest, Fox News military analyst and retired Lt. Col. Bill Cowan, said, "we"re
having a tough time," and that people in the Pentagon and in Iraq are "expressing a lot of
dismay and disappointment at the way things are going,"
Then Bill O'Reilly weighed in: "But I don't have any confidence in Donald Rumsfe1d at this
point. Do you, Colonel Cowan? I don't think he's leveling with the American people. I
think that he doesn't have enough people over there to clean up the corruption, or fight
the insurgency, or provide security for the oil pipeline, which they need [for] the money.
I don't have any confidence in the secretary of defense at this point."
The drumbeat's getting louder.
Last Stand for Feith and Drum Corps
Speaking of departures from the Pentagon, Undersecretary for Policy Douglas J. Feith is
taking off -- last day is Monday -- to write a book and do some "freelancing." There was
some churlish chatter that Feith could not find a suitable job, but we're told that this
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book proj.ect has been in the works for months.

There is a strong expectation at the pentagon that Bush will give a recess appointment to
Eric Edelman, a former ambassador to Turkey and onetime aide to Vice President Cheney. His
nomination to replace Feith stalled in the Senate.
Word is that Edelman, informally in line for this job since January, has been "taking
meetings," as they say, in preparation and sizing up potential aides.
If Bush makes that move now, Edelman, under the constitution, would be allowed to serve
until the end of the next session of this Congress.
There is always uncertainty as to when that is. Typically, a session ends whenever
Congress decides to adjourn. In an election year, with lawmakers wanting to leave to
campaign, that could be early October (it adjourned on Oct. 4, 1996) but sometimes as late
as Jan. 3, when a Congress must officially end. In recent years, it has been around
Thanksgiving or just before Christmas.
If, on the other hand, Bush waits until January to appoint E~elman, that appointment would
run through 2006 -- the end of the second session of the 109th Congress, and then to late
2007, the end of the first session of the 110th Congress, a total of about two years.
"There is some legal question about when a session actually ends," assistant Senate
historian Betty K. Koed says. Maybe if someone wanted to push the issue, they could
probably hang on until the Congress ends, which is Jan. 3.
"But precedent has been that the appointment expires with .
adjournment," Koed said.
Of course, Edelman could get confirmed when Congress comes back.
Wall Street Journal

August 5, 2005
Pg. 8
GWOT That?
Words matter. Which is why we are glad to see that in a speech in Grapevine, Texas, on
Wednesday, President Bush employed the phrase "war on terror" five times and the word
"war" 15 times, 13 in reference to the global war on terror and two citing world War II.
The news here is that Mr. Bush's choice of words is being widely interpreted as a rebuke
of National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Joint
Chiefs Chairman General Richard Myers, who lately have been favoring the formulation
"global struggle against violent extremism" over "global war on terror." Or, in
Beltwayese, G-SAVE vs. GWOT.
The G-SAVE crowd is not wrong. Defeating Islamic terrorism will require diplomatic,
economic. and political means as well as military ones -- as the President himself has said
repeatedly. But to quote from another speech Mr.
Bush gave last year in Fort Myers, Florida, after Richard Holbrooke, John Kerry's foreign
policy adviser, called the war on terror a "metaphor":
"Anyone who thinks we are fighting a metaphor does not understand the enemy we face. You
cannot win a war if you are not convinced we're even in one."
Calling it anything less than "war" also runs the risk of minimizing the sacrifices of
America's service men and women.
To those who are not persuaded that the U.S. is at war, may we suggest a ride on the
London Underground, a night at'a Bali hotel, or a visit to Ground Zero in downtown
Manhattan? These are the many faces of the global war on terror.
National Review Online
August 4, 2005
God Save Us
The West is in a death struggle with Islamofascism.
By Frank J. Gaffney Jr., NRO Contributing Editor So - despite possible dissidents· the
Bush administration says we are no longer waging the Global War on Terror (GWOT). Instead,
we are told that it has become the Global Struggle Against V{olent Extremism (GSAVE). If
we are not careful, the changes in focus implied by this new nomenclature could give rise
to conditions described by a new acronym: GODSAVEUS (Global Order Defined by Sharia
Afflicted by Virulent Enemies on the United States) .
Such an evocative handle could become appropriate if the administration's rhetorical shift
compounds an already acute problem: the perception the American people have been given
that, whatever this conflict is called, it is somebody else's problem - that of the
military, the government, our allies overseas, etc. They may continue to perceive that
their contribution to the war effort (er, struggle) is confined to going shopping.
Let's get a few things straight. This may be a war unlike any other we have ever fought,
but it is a war. Nothing less than our survival as a free, democratic and secular nation
is at stake.
We confront in this war ideologically driven enemies, not simply the instrument of their
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aggression, terrorism. They are bent on our destruction just as surely as were their
predecessors - the Nazis, the fascists, and the Communists. Their stated goal is to
establish a global "caliphate" subject to a repressive, Taliban-like interpretation of
shariFi.
Such ambitions may sound as absurd as did Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto. But,
consider the definition of jihad officially issued by the Islamic Affairs Department of
Saudi Arabia's embassy in Washington, D.C.:
"Muslims are required to raise the banner of Jihad in order to make the ,Word of Allah
supreme in this world, to remove all forms of injustice and oppression( and to defend the
Muslims. If Muslims do not take up the sword, the evil tyrants of this earth will be able
to continue oppressing the weak and [the] helpless."
Today's totalitarian ideology has no agreed-upon name, although its political qualities
can be properly described as Islamofascism. The absence of a descriptor embraced by its
adherents is no accident. It is a natural byproduct of their desire to portray themselves
not as a leading vanguard, discreet cadre, or elite but rather as the representatives of
all Muslims.'
By so doing, they seek simultaneously to dominate the Islamic faith and to benefit from
the tolerance the United States and other Western democracies have traditionally shown
toward minorities in the name of religious freedom.
Matte.rs are made worse by Western governments I continuing inability to differentiate
between truly non-Islamist Muslims and the Islamofascists, their sympathizers, support
cells, front organizations, and apologists. The past few weeks have seen a number of the
latter issue highly publicized fatwas professing their opposition to acts of terror that
many of them have supported, or at least condoned, for years.
Some of these organizations and individuals have even been publicly embraced in the
aftermath of the London attacks by leaders like Britain's'Tony Blair and Canada's Paul
Martin. Past, well-intentioned but strategically insane efforts by law enforcement and
intelligence organizations to reach out to indigenous Muslim communities through such
usually Saudi-funded and pro-Islamist organizations are, as a result, now being redoubled.
The dangers associated with partnering with the enemies' organizational Trojan horses can
only be compounded if the American people perceive re-labeling the "war" a "struggle" as
meaning that it is a condition, not a conflict - something we have to get used to living
with, not something we have to defeat, lest it destroy us.
In fact, we have no choice but to fight the Islamofascists with every means at our
disposal. This will require, among other things, engaging the American people far more
fully in the war effort than they have been to date. In fact, it is time to put the
country on a war footing.
Elements of such an approach should include the following:
Support the troops. An ideology like Islamofascism is surely something that must be fought
with means other than armed forces. But, to the extent that this ideology is enabled by
state sponsors, military instruments are likely to be critical to our victory. If we are
to maintain the ability to wage conventional war with an all-volunteer force, the public
is going to have to encourage young people to enlist and to stay in the military.
Help secure the homeland. The danger posed by attacks on soft targets such as the
transportation sector clearly require that the authorities'
surveillance and intelligence capabilities be augmented by the eyes and ears of millions
of Americans whose own survival may depend upon their vigilance and assistance. This
should be viewed as a civic duty, not a threat to civil liberties.
In addition to increased public vigilance and involvement in monitoring domestic threats
in the tradition of neighborhood watches, the nation needs to involve the American people
much more fully in planning for and preparing against attacks on the homeland. Organizing
and harnessing the potential of communities to assist authorities at all levels of
government is a time-consuming and costly undertaking. But the spirit of ,volunteerism in
response to presidential leadership can diminish both, and provide capabilities that may
prove to be of great value in future emergencies.
Enhance energy security. The public can also be enlisted to help reduce our reliance on
foreign oil, much of which is purchased from the same nations that are supporting
Islamofascism and its allies. While there are various ways this can be accomplished, the
most promising were not much advanced in the recently enacted energy bill. The least
painful and most sensible would be to expand dramatically the availability and use of
alcohol-based fuels and electricity as ~eans of powering the transportation sector, where
most of our oil is currently consumed. A blueprint for accomplishing this is detailed
here.
Stop underwriting terror. Unbeknownst to most American investors, significant portions of
their public pension, mutual fund, life insurance and private portfolios are comprised of
stocks of privately held companies that partner with state-sponsors of terror. For
example, a study issued last year by the Center for security Policy determined that about
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$188 billion is invested in such companies by the nation's 100 leading public pension
funds alone. Were that money to be divested or these companies otherwise obliged to choose
between doing business with us or doing business with our enemies, it could have a
profound effect on the ability of terror-sponsoring states to 'underwrite Islamofascist
attacks against us.
This is but a partial list of measures the American people can - and must - be encouraged
to help with as part of our struggle with Islamofascism. If we fail, however, to speak
truthfully to the public abqut the threat both the Muslim world and the West face from our
common foe, and to enlist citizens in waging this war fully and effectively, then our only
hope may shortly be to ask that God save us.
Frank J. Gaffney Jr. is an NRO contributor and president of the Center for Security Policy
in Washington.
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wants to interview larry on the greg garrison wibc radio show (indy market--he's had myers and rummy on this particular show) on
monday. he saw larry's oped today and wants to talk to him about it. he's hosting from 10-1 and would take larry any time that would
work for him. would like to see if he can get him for at least 20 minutes. also, would like to see if he'd be game to take calls???
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Subject: FW: col. david hunt
hi
are you going to follow up with gen conway on thisl
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col. david hunt:

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reminder: he has chosen not to be on the military analysts outreach list.
thanks
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hi there
please get me or eric hunts phone info. we want gen conway to call him.
thanks
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To: Oi Rita, Larry, CIV, OSO-OASO-PA; RUff, Eric, SES, OASO·PA
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we are taking drew carey over to iraq this month for our america supports you salute so we
have a lot of muscle movement in an iraq trip .. we can just add on to it and plan a back to
back trip for the analysts. dallas can anchor in iraq to facilitate both trips. let me
noodle this over and get back to you.
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Let's follow up with hunt and conway.
Is it time for another another analysts trip to iraq?
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on it.
hunt refuses to be included in our analysts calls or meetings. gen conway said he would
be happy to just call him directly.
didn't see any response to oreilly.
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Let's see about' getting the analysyts in next week. Not sure how tough that will be, but
they need some bolstering.
Should we reach out to cowen and hunt separately.
HoW did they respond to o'reilly? Did they?
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bill 9 reilly -- see below from last night's show.
washington Post
August 5, 2005
Pg. 13
In The Loop
By Al Kamen
Rumsfeld Honeymoon Fades Away
Time to reboot the old Loop Rummy Watch. The fortunes of secretary of
Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld have waxed -- The fall of Baghdad, April 2003
and waned -- Abu Ghraib, April 2004 -- during his tenure.
There were calls for his firing after Abu Ghraib -- and he twice offered his
resignation to President Bush ~n the wake of that outrage. It's been
relatively smoother sailing since then.
But the tragic losses in Iraq in recent days are likely to spark intense
criticism -- not just from the "cut and run" crowd, or the more gradualist
"cut and walk" folks, but even from the staunchest backers of the
administration's Iraq policy.
So Wednesday night, on Fox's "The O'Reilly Factor," none other than the host
himself was jumping on Rumsfeld for his handling of the war.
One O'Reilly guest, retired Army Col. David Hunt, author of a book, "They
Just Don't Get It," said: "Baghdad is still a disaster. . . You still
can't drive to the airport" and there is "rampant corruption" by "Iraqi
government officials, the Iraqi contractors and some American contractors
[who] are stealing money in the billions of dollars" that is "supposed to be
helping the Iraqis."
Another guest, Fox News military analyst and retired Lt. Col. Bill Cowan,
said, "we're having a tough time," and that people in the Pentagon and in
Iraq are "expressing a lot of dismay and disappointment at the way things
are going."
Then Bill O'Reilly weighed in: "But I don't have any confidence in Donald
Rumsfeld at this point. Do you, Colonel Cowan? I don't think he'S leveling
with the American people. I think that he doesn't have enough people over
there to clean up the corruption, or fight the insurgency, or provide
security for the oil pipeline, which they need [for] the money. I don't have
any confidence in the secretary of defense at this point."
The drumbeat's getting louder.
Last Stand for Feith and Drum Corps
Speaking of departures from the Pentagon, Undersecretary for Policy Douglas
J. Feith is taking off -- last day is Monday -- to write a book and do some
"freelancing." There was some churlish chatter that Feith could not find a
suitable job, but we're told that this book project has been in the works
for months.
There is a strong expectation at the Pentagon that Bush will give a recess
appointment to Eric Edelman, a former ambassador to Turkey and onetime aide
to Vice President Cheney. His nomination to replace Feith stalled in the
Senate.
word is that Edelman, informally in line for this job since January, has
been "taking meetings," as they say, in preparation and sizing up potential
aides.
If Bush makes that move now, Edelman, under the Constitution, would be
allowed to serve until the end of the next session of this Congress.
There is always uncertainty as to when that is. Typically, a session ends
whenever Congress decides to adjourn. In an election year, with lawmakers
wanting to leave to campaign, that could be early October (it adjourned on
Oct. 4, 1996) but sometimes as late as Jan. 3, when a Congress must
officially end. In recent years, it has been around Thanksgiving or just
before Christmas.
If, on the other hand, Bush waits until January to appoint Edelman, that
appointment would run through 2006 -- the end of the second session of the
109th Congress, and then to late 2007, the end of the first session of the
110th Congress, a total of about two years.
"There is some legal question about when a session actually ends," assistant
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Senate historian Betty K. Koed says. Maybe if someone wanted to push the
issue, they could probably hang on until the Congress ends, which is Jan. 3.
,"But precedent has been that the appointment expires with . . .
adj ournment," Koed said. '
Of course, Edelman could get confirmed when Congress comes back.
Wall Street Journal

August 5, 2005
Pg. 8
GWOT That?
Words matter. Which is why we are glad to see that in a speech in Grapevine,
Texas, on Wednesday, President Bush employed the phrase "war on terror" five
times and the word "war" 15 times, 13 in reference to the global war on
terror and two citing World War II.
The news here is that Mr. Bush's choice of words is being widely interpreted
as a rebuke of National security Adviser Stephen Hadley, Defense Secretary
Donald Rumsfeld and Joint Chiefs Chairman General Richard Myers, who lately
have been favoring the formulation "global struggle against violent
extremism" over "global war on terror." Or, in Beltwayese, G-SAVE vs. GWOT.
The G-SAVE crowd is not wrong. Defeating Islamic terrorism will require
diplomatic, economic and political means as well as military ones -- as the
President himself has said repeatedly. But to quote from another speech Mr.
Bush gave last year in Fort Myers, Florida, after Richard Holbrooke, John
Kerry'S foreign policy adviser, called the war on terror a "metaphor":
"Anyone who thinks we are fighting a metaphor does not understand the enemy
we face. You cannot win a war if you are not convinced we're even in one."
Calling it anything less than "war" also runs the risk of minimizing the
sacrifices of America's service men and women.
To those who are not persuaded that the U.S. is at war, may we suggest a
ride on the London underground, a night at a Bali hotel, or a visit to
Ground Zero in downtown Manhattan? These are the many faces of the global
war on terror.
National Review Online

August 4, 2005
God Save Us
The West is in a death struggle with Islamofascism.
By Frank J. Gaffney Jr., NRO Contributing Editor
So - despite pos'sible dissidents - the Bush administration says we are no
longer waging the Global War on Terror (GWOT'). Instead, we are told that it
has become the Global Struggle Against Violent Extremism (GSAVE). If we are
not careful, the changes in focus implied by this new nomenclature could
give rise to conditions described by a new acronym: GODSAVEUS (Global Order
Defined by Sharia Afflicted by Virulent Enemies on the United States) .
Such an evocative handle could become appropriate if the administration's
rhetorical shift compounds an already acute problem: the perception the
American people have been given that, whatever this conflict is called, it
is somebody else'S problem - that of the military, the government, our
allies overseas, etc. They may continue,to perceive that their contribution
to the war effort (er, struggle) is confined to going shopping.
Let's get a few things straight. This may be a war unlike any other we have
ever fought, but it is a war. Nothing less than our survival as a free,
democratic and secular nation is at stake. '
We confront in this war ideologically driven enemies, not simply the
instrument of their aggression, terrorism. They are bent on our destruction
just as surely as were their predecessors - the Nazis, the fascists, and the
Communists. Their stated goal is to establish a global "caliphate" subject
to a repressive, Taliban-like interpretation of sharia.
Such ambitions may sound as absurd as did Mein Kampf and the Communist
Manifesto. But, consider the definition of jihad officially issued by the
Islamic Affairs Department of Saudi Arabia's embassy in Washington, D.C'.:
"Muslims are required to raise the banner of Jihad in order to make the Word
of Allah supreme in this world, to remove all forms of injustice and
oppression, and to defend the Muslims. If Muslims do not take up the sword,
the evil tyrants of this earth will be able to continue oppressing the weak
and [the] helpless."
Today's totalitarian ideology has no agreed-upon name, although its
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political qualities can be properly described as Islamofascism. The absence
of a descriptor embraced by its adherents is no accident. It is a natural
byproduct of their desire to portray themselves not as a leading vanguard.
discreet cadre, or elite but rather as the representatives of all Muslims.
By so doing, they seek simultaneously to dominate the Islamic faith and to
benefit from the tolerance the United states and other Western democracies
have traditionally shown toward minorities in the name of religious freedom.
Matters are made worse by western governments' continuing inability to
differentiate between truly non-Islamist Muslims and the Islamofascists,
their sympathizers, support cells, front organizations, and apologists. The
past few weeks have seen a number of the latter issue highly publicized
fatwas professing their opposition to acts of terror that many of them have
supported, or at least condoned, for years.
Some of these organizations and individuals have even been publicly embraced
in the aftermath of the London attacks by leaders like Britain's Tony Blair
and Canada's Paul Martin. Past, well-intentioned but strategically insane
efforts by law enforcement and intelligence organizations to reach out to
indigenous Muslim communities through such usually Saudi-funded and
pro-Islamist organizations are, as a result, now being redoubled.
The dangers associated with partnering with the enemies' organizational
Trojan horses can only be compounded if the American people perceive
re-labeling the "war" a "struggle" as meaning that it is a condition. not a
conflict - something we have to get used to living with, not something we
have to defeat, lest it destroy us.
In fact, we have no choice but to fight the Islamofascists with every means
at our disposal. This will require, among other things, engaging the
American people far more fully in the war effort than they have been to
date. In fact, it is time to put the country on a war footing.
Elements of such an approach should include the following:
Support the troops. An ideology like Islamofascism is surely something that
must be fought with means other than armed forces. But, to the extent that
this ideology is enabled by state sponsors, military instruments are likely
to be critical to our victory. If we are to maintain the ability to wage
conventional war with an all-volunteer force, the public is going to have to
encourage young people to enlist and to stay in the military.
Help secure the homeland. The danger posed by attacks on soft targets such
as the transportation sector clearly require that the authorities'
surveillance and intelligence capabilities be augmented by the eyes and ears
of millions of Americans whose own survival may depend upon their vigilance
and assistance. This should be viewed as a civic duty, not a threat to civil
liberties.
In addition to increased public vigilance and involvement in monitoring
domestic threats in the tradition of neighborhood watches. the nation needs
to involve the Am~rican people much more fully in planning for and preparing
against attacks on the homeland. Organizing and harnessing the potential of
communities to assist authorities at all levels of government is a
time-consuming and costly undertaking. But the spirit of volunteerism in
response to presidential leadership can diminish both, and provide
capabilities that may prove to be of great value in future emergencies.
Enhance energy security. The public can also be enlisted to help reduce our
reliance on foreign oil. much of which is purchased from the same nations
that are supporting Islamofascism and its allies. While there are various
ways this can be accomplished, the most promising were not much advanced in
the recently enacted energy bill. The least painful and most sensible would
be to expand dramatically the availability and use of alcohol-based fuels
and electricity as means of powering the transportation sector, where most
of our oil is currently consumed. A blueprint for accomplishing this is
detailed here.
Stop underwriting terror. Unbeknownst to most American investors,
significant portions of their public pension, mutual fund, life insurance
and private portfolios are comprised of stocks of privately held companies
that partner with state-sponsors of terror. For example, a study issued last
year by the Center for Security Policy determined that about $188 billion is
invested in such companies by the nation's 100 leading public pension funds
alone. Were that money to be divested or these companies otherwise obliged
to choose between doing business with us or doing business with our enemies,
it could have a profound effect on the ability of terror-spo~soring states
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to underwrite Islamofascist attacks against us.

This is but a partial list of measures the American people can - and must
he encouraged to help with as part of our struggle with I'slamofascism. If we
fail, ,however, to speak truthfully to the public about the threat both the
Muslim world and the west face from our common foe, and to enlist citizens
in waging this war fully and effectively, then our only hope may shortly be
to ask that God save us.
Frank J. Gaffney Jr. is an NRO contributor and president of the Center for
Security Policy in Washington.
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hey, i aim to please can't have expectations too high, ya know. would ruin my image!!
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Yes, Dhanks. Your usual mediocre rapid response.
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Sure you got the transcript that i sent earlier, right??
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Will do so tomorrow at the morning ops mtg. Thanks for the reminder.
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Have you talked to thorp about hunt??
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just finishep up with him, thanks.
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Subject: transcript of o'reilly
here are bill cowan and david hunt's comments on o'reilly last night....
Now for the top story tonight, what is really going on in Iraq? 21 Marines have been killed in the last two days.
An American journalist was assassinated after writing an article that said Shi'ite militia were executing people in
the port city of Basra.
So we asked two top military analysts to assess the current situation. Joining us now from Washington,
Lieutenant Colonel Bill Cowan. And from Boston, Colonel David Hunt, the author of the book "They Just Don't
Get It."
Colonel Hunt, we'll begin with you. Looks grim to me. What say you?
COL. DAVID HUNT, AUTHOR OF THE BOOK "THEY JUST DON'T GET IT": Yes, I've talked - the guys
who I talked to on this piece, Bill, are guys in Iraq, in the Pentagon, military and intelligence people who are in
favor of what's going on in Iraq, in favor of the policy, and they're actively in the fight.
So besides the fact we lost almost 1800 guys killed, 13,000 wounded, and over 50,000 Iraqis have died,
civilians, and there's rampant corruption throughout Iraq. And the fact that there are 90 battalions trained by us,
only two are capable of independent reaction, some people might think it's going well.
Baghdad is still a disaster. Americans and foreigners will not walk around Baghdad without protection. We n)ed
political will. You still can't drive to the airport. You have to take a helicopter.
There are lot of issues. The war is not going well. It's an insurgency. It's going to take us seven years, which we
can win but we've got to get at it.
O'REILLY: All right now, when you talk to your people, Colonel Hunt, and you have 18 Marines -- 21 Marines
in the last two days dead, all right, Americans think that things are getting better there. But are you telling me
that things are getting worse there?
HUNT: Yes, no, what's getting worse is the fact that the Iraqis are not standing up and fighting, the 90 battalions
that we've trained. Only two are capable of independent action. And the rampant corruption within Iraq is
hurting everything we're trying to do. We're about to tum over a lot of...
O'REILLY; What do you mean by corruption? What does that mean?
HUNT: It means that the Iraqi government officials, the Iraqi contractors, and some American contractors are
stealing money in the billions of dollars they're supposed to be helping the Iraqis get on with their ind~pendence.
And it's the pole in the tent.H's the elephant in the living room. Everybody knows it over there. And it's got to
get cleaned up.
Couple that with the lack of training of the Iraqi battalions, it's a very bad situation because the tactics of the
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terrorists have changed to these car bombings, which is actually giving us larger numbers of kills.
O'REILLY: All right, dp you see it the same way, Colonel Cowan?
LT. COL. BILL COWAN, FOX NEWS MILITARY ANALYST: Well, let me first, Bill, that like Colonel Hunt.
I talked to a lot of people both in Iraq and in the Pentagon, in the military, on the civilian side, different sources
than him. All of them, like the rest of us here, committed to victory in Iraq, supportive of what we're trying to
do, but all of them also expressing a lot of dismay and disappointment at the way things are going.
And indeed, Bill, I was on with you almost a year ago, talking about unemployment being a factor. It's not
gotten much better, but lack of essential services being a factor. It's not gotten much better.
Our young men and women out there in the field at the tactical level, there are no qualms or questions about
their performance, no qualms, Bill...
HUNT: None better.
COWAN: ...but we're having a tough time.
The insurgents - you know, we have good weeks and we have bad weeks. This has been a bad week. The
insurgents are tough. They're getting smarter. They're watching us. And they're getting support from outside.
And the long -- the short answer is, Bill, that we're hanging on. I think that's what most people who I talk to
would say if they were asked for the short answer.
O'REILLY: OK, but hanging on is not going to really cut it. And it seems to me that the Iraqi people are going
to have to decide for themselves, yet they still haven't decided it, Colonel Hunt. It doesn't seem like they're
actively involved in their own welfare.
HUNT: No, they're not. And they -- we don't have enough of them. There are SOme very good things. The best
thing going on is, as Bill said, the American soldier, Marine, Airmen, Navy guys are the best in the world.
They're doing an unbelievable job, 125-degree heat. And the Kurds north of Mosul, that's going very well. The
Kurds are standing up.
But below that, these 90 battalions that we've trained, only two are capable. Couple that with the corruption
we've already talked about, and the things that Bill has mentioned again from people who care about Iraq and
want to see us win is very disturbing. It's going to take strong political will and commitment, not what we're
hearing of a pullout in 2006.
We've got to stay and make this right because of the fight on terrorism and how Iraq affects it.
O'REILLY: But I don't have any confidence in Donald Rumsfeld at this point. Do you, Colonel Cowan? I don't
think he's leveling with the American people. I think that he doesn't have enough people over there to Clean up
the corruption, or fight the insurgency, or provide security for the oil pipeline, which they need the money. I
don't have any confidence in the Secretary of Defense at this point.
COWAN: No. Well, Bill, I think it goes beyond the Secretary. I think the spin factor is still high out at the
Pentagon. Obviously in the White House, they stiit want things to...
O'REILLY: Yes, but who's running the operation, colonel?
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COWAN: But well, Secretary Rumsfeld in the final analysis.
O'REILLY: OK, there you go.
COWAN: And behind him, General Myers. But I'd add one thing, if I could, Bill. When you talk about the Iraqi
people, you're right. A lot of responsibility on the Iraqi people to change things. But they don't know what's
going to happen. They're still not sure what side they're going to land up with at the end of the game here.
And the killings, intimidation, fear, kidnappings ofIraqis, it's not something we talk about regularly here on the
news, Bill. But my friends in Iraq say it's rampant.
O'REILLY: Of course.
COWAN: It's unbelievable. And you mention coming in here, the killings down in Basra. In Baghdad itself,
Shi'ites killing Sunnis, Sunnis killing Shi'ites.
O'REILLY: But that's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about that American forces can't provide security for
the people.
COWAN: Can't do it, Bill. They can't. Because the people are afraid. They can't provide it.
O'REILLY; So either the Iraqi forces are going to have to provide the security, and you guys both say they're
not, or we lose.
COWAN: Bill, we are not on a good glide path right now. And it's going to be tough. And David's exactly right.
When we're talking about pulling out, all the Iraqi people are sitting back saying, well, if they're pulling out, I
better decide where I want to be.
O'REILLY: Ifthey've got 90 battalions of Iraq troops, I mean, within six months, they either do it or they don't. I
mean, we can't be South Vietnamese all over again. Either you fight or you don't. That's it.
Gentlemen, I've got to run.
COWAN: Thanks, Bill.
O'REILLY: I told you it was going to be a no spin report, ladies and gentlemen. And that's what it was. But I do
believe our analysts are right on the mark.
Next on the rundown, are all liberals angry about the decline of George Soros and his ilk? And then, another
huge embarrassment for Catholics. A female teacher arrested for sexualizing her students. It's coming up.
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Guys: Given the WSJ piece yesterday, I think I'm clear to take a run at Warner et al. over the surety issue.
plan to do just that today, subbing for Hugh Hewitt. Thanks. Best, Jed.
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Date: August 3, 2005
Re: . Conference Call with Senior DoD Officials
We invite you to participate in a conference call, TODAY, August 3, 2005,jrom 2:45 to 3:15.
Lieutenant General James T. Conway Director of Operations, J-3, on the Joint Staff (bio
at:<http:/h,vww.usmc.millgenbios2.nsf/0/24f33df7bf06b3a2852568030060440a?OpenDocument&Click>=) will
provide you with the background and current information on operations in Iraq and the recent loss of Marines.
Your host for this call will be Dallas Lawrence.
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Subject: memo regarding book about GTMO
August 3, 2005
MEMORANDUM FOR GENERAL CRADDOCK
FROM: ERIC RUFF
CC: LARRY DIRITA
SUBJECT: BOOK REQUEST REGARDING GTMO
Gordon Cuchullu is a military analyst who recently traveled in one of our analysts groups to the Guantanamo
Bay detention facility. He has since contacted us in hopes of getting our support for a book he would like to
write regarding this facility and it's important contributions. He was extremely impressed with what he heard
. and saw and is very energized to get his perspective to a reputable book publisher.
Gordon is already a published author and frequently appears on te.1evision to offer his views as a former
serviceman. He specifically wants to focus on the contemporary and in his book would explore: the value of
GTMO, the need for this facility, who the detainees are, why they are so dangerous, what we hope to obtain
from them, the real story behind interrogation techniques and the morale and welfare of our troops.
In Gordon's own words, "Mostly I want Americans to know what the hell is really going on there and why it is
important to them."
What Gordon develops would of course have to respect and protect classified infonnation and we would work
with him to be mindful of privacy and other considerations. I envision a DOD team working with him to frame
the ground rules for engagement.
I will be working to coordinate interviews with folks up here but Gordon is asking permission to go to GTMO
and if possible, stay down there for one or two weeks and interview military and civilians who are working
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there. Some obvious choices would be BG Jay Hood and perhaps the interrogator, Dr. Jennifer Bryson (double
check the name), among others. I would coordinate with General Hood on this.
I have not contacted folks at GTMO and am informing you first of the idea. Larry DiRita and I have discussed
and think this proposal has real merit. I will follow this memo up with a phone call in a day or two to get your
perspective and thoughts. Thank you, sir.
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there. Some obvious choices would be BG Jay Hood and perhaps the interrogator, Dr. Jennifer Bryson (double
check the name), among others. I would coordinate with General Hood on this.
I have not contacted folks at GTMO and am informing you first of the idea. Larry DiRita and I have discussed
and think this proposal has real merit. I will follow this memo up with a phone call in a day or two to get your
perspective and thoughts. Thank you, sir.
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I talked to Frank, he agrees it is a good idea and is working it now.
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Subject: Re: military analysts
May be worth a 30 min phone call if gen ham or someone were available.
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given events of the last two days in theater, should we pull together a call with military
analysts to give them some context. for example, bryan has worked with frank thorp to get
ham or conway (don't recall the second name, bryan, sorry) in touch with bill cowan, who
is doing o'reilly tonight.
also, we may want to think about expanding our posture on things for the next day or two,
reaching out to some of the radio people with senior civilians. or military, to place
events of the last two days in context.
this isn't a clarion call suggestion, but i'm wondering if we ought to turn up our efforts
to try and make sure balance and perspective are achieved.
thanks, eric
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oh, that's great! thank you.

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Ce: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: mil analyst on o'reilly
I have arranged for him to talk to either LTG Conway or BG Ham
From: MMGi CIV, OASD-PA
SUbject: RE: mil analyst on o'reilly
i believe eric is calling to tell him that we're trying to track down the info for him. i told bill i would take his request for action and
see what i could get from the pao's..... would you be able to give him the info eric mentioned (if we don't have the info bill wants)?
thanks for being willing to help out!
ml
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From: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD,PA
To: 'IMGi CIV, OASD·PA
I'll talk to him if you like
From: MaW crV,OASD-PA

sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:44 AM
To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD'PA; RUff~ EriBiliASD.PAi Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD·PAi Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
Cc: Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD·PA; rml~ ClV,OASD·PA ,
Subject: mil analyst on O'reilly
bill cowan will be on fox's o'reilly report tonight and wanted to give us a heads-up about what he's going to say... and to also
ask for anything and everything we can give him re, the deaths of the marines yesterday and today.
i told him that larry just got out of a press avail where he basically said that as soon as we have the facts we will release them.
he said if there's anything we can send him, he'll take it. he wants his comments to be factual. he doesn't want to speculate,
which he's sure o'reilly will do plenty of.
he's going to talk about the overall situation and what his contacts In iraq are telling him. it may not all be friendly, but it
comes from the perspective of not wanting the war effort to fail··but tough on some of the things that are going on over there.
if there's anything we can give him, i will be glad to get it to him.
thanks
m1
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From: . room i CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: FW: Conference Call TODAY
another analyst wondering what's coming up....
any ideas i should pass along?
thanks
raJ
From: Allardck~ [mailto:Allardck@~
To: (b)(6)
Subject: Re: Conference Call TODAY
. - I'm up at MSNBC this week after Tuesday. IS there anything I should be looking for?
Hope things are weill
Ken Allard
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Sent: Wednesda~ August 03, 2005 11 :54 AM
To: room .CIV, OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, elV, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD
PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
Cc: Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PA; (b)(6) CIV,OASD-PA
SUbject: Re: mil analyst on o'reilly
Also, how many provinces are now patrolled or have been turned over to the iraqis and when
did we hanoff the first one? Thanks.
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mil analyst on O'reilly
bill cowan will be on fox's o'reilly report tonight and wanted to give us a heads-up about
what he's going to say ... and to also ask for anything and everything we can give him reo
the deaths of the marines yesterday and today.
i told him that larry just got out of a press avail where he basically said that as soon
as we have the facts we will release them. he said if there's anything we can send him,
he'll take it. he wants his comments to be factual. he doesn't want to speculate, which
he's sure o'reilly will do plenty of.
he's going to talk about the overall situation and what his contacts in iraq are telling
him. it may not all be friendly, but it comes from the perspective of not wanting the war
effort to fail--but tough on some of the things that are going on over there.
thanks
rim
ResE,ectfully,
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OSD Public Affairs
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(b)(6)
From: fUUGi CIV. OASD-PA

Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11 :53 AM
Telephone: (b)(2) Extension 216

Cellular:
Email :
best place to catch him is on his cell ...
thanks
mIl
Sent~, August 03, 2005 11: 52 AM
To: (~I~IIIIIII CIV, OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OABD
Cc: Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PAi Turner, James, CIV, OASD-PA
SUbject: Re: mil analyst on o'reilly
Has frank thorp gotten further verification on petraeus's assessment that 85 percent of
missions are iraqi led or co-led?
Let~s make sure bill has the latest trained and equipped #s.
~ meantime, please send me bill's phone numbers. Thanks.

From: ~mGi CIV, OASD-PA ~~m~.~~ ••
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To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA <Allison.Barber@a5T6i
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; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
<Eric.Ruff@ri5Nhi ; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA <Bryan.Whitman@ij5fGi Lawrence,
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Sent: Wed Aug 03 11:44:14 2005
Subject: mil analyst on o'reilly
bill cowan will be on fox's o'reilly report tonight and wanted to give us a heads-up about
what he's going to say ... and to also ask for anything and everything we can give him reo
the deaths of the marines yesterday and today.
i told him that larry just got out of a press avail where he basically said that as soon
as we have the facts we will release them. he said if there's anything we can send him,
he'll take it. he wants his comments to be factual. he doesn't want to speculate, which
he's sure o'reilly will do plenty of.
he's going to talk about the overall situation and what his contacts in iraq are telling
him. it may not all be friendly, but it comes from the perspective of not wanting the war
effort to fail--but tough on some of the things that are going on over there.
thanks
rrn
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(b)(6)
From:· JedBabbin@UVS_
Sent: Monday, August 01. 2005 1:02 PM
Subject: Hewitt
Eric: Just checkin' in. Any further thoughts on one of the big dogs for the Hewitt national show Wednesday or
Thursday? Would love to talk about the Iraq constitution, or whatever else is at the top of the agenda. Let's
talk. Many thanks. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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(b)(6)
From:' (b)(6) elV, OASD-PA
Sent: M~ust 01 , 20058:39 AM
To: mIDI :IV,OASD-PA
Subject: Jed Babbin on Profiling
See link below for the latest Babbin article.
http://www.familysecuritymatters.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=381
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(b)(6)
Researcher
Department ofDefense
The Pentagon Room ,
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Fax:, '.
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From:
Sent:
To:
SUbject:
This was a busy weekend.
About the Brit "shoot to kill in order to protect", please read
Family Security Matters - EXCLUSIVE: Shoot to Kill?
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From:
Sent:
To:
JedBabbin@l8ltmW
Monday, August 01.20057:29 AM
tmcinerney@'jMl;f
@iMli\WBURM41516
; aulvallely~~ nashct@J5fl:i Glenstrae77
IV. OASD-PA; WSSlnter~-m--
Subject: Today's Spectator
NASA needs a new direction. The International Space Station is about as useful as the UN.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From:' Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD·PA
Sent: Monday, August 01,20056:59 AM
Subject: RE: Question
(b)(2)
Subject: Re: Question
(b)(2)
From: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA <BrYan.Whitman@~.
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA <Eric.RufffifMm ; 'ldirita I • <ldirita@~
CC: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA <larry. dirita • _
Sent: Sun Jul 31 18:42:53 2005
SUbject: RE: Question
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To: 'ldirita@[IDlm_
Cc: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
Subject: Fw: Question
Good question.
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Sent: Sun Jul 31 15:17:42
Subject: Question
If the Brits did this, good on 'em. But why the hell didn't we do it sooner?
Finger points to British intelligence as al~Qaeda websites are wiped out - Sunday Times
Times Online
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From: JedBabbin@iiDIGIW
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: Hugh Hewitt show
Eric: Hugh's show is 6-9 EDT. Could tape earlier, I'm sure. And if not the Big Dog hisself, how 'bout Myers or
Pace? I'm not set on one or another, just want to get whatever the biggest war-related news is out to the widest
audience. Many thanks. Best, Jed. '
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From: JedBabbin~
Sent: Friday, JUly2~20054:51 PM
Subject: Hugh Hewitt show
Eric: I've been asked to guest-host for Hugh Hewitt on Wednesday and Thursday, 3 and 4 August, and have
agreed to do so. Please scrap the plans to support the Greg Garrison show on 8 August. This is obviously much
bigger and more important.
May we talk Monday? I'd like to get one of the big guys on either Wednesday or Thursday. The Gitmo story is
(thankfully) quieting down, methinks. Is Big Dog eager to talk about his recent trip? If not, what's hottest on .
your plate? Have a great weekend. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 9:38 AM
SUbJect: Jed Babbin ealled~rr.lftl~fI"..Ii • • • •
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• 8th of August - Babbin is filling in for Greg Garrison and is looking for a principle to participate in the show
• Interview wI SeeDef for Babbin's new book on China; and Adm. Giambastiani
Semper Fidelis,
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Sent: ~8, 2005 9:01 AM
To: [tDIUJ..-, Col OASD-PA; Capt. USMC, OASD-PA;~
SFC, OASD-PA;~mm CIV, OASD-PA
Cc: Di ~SD-OASD.PA; Barber, Allison, elV, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD
PA;~ CIV, OSD
Subject: Read Ahead for tOday's conference call
Attachments: Read Ahead.doc
all
here is the most up-to-date read ahead for today's conference call with the military analysts. please note the only change is in the
number of attendees. we now have 24 confinned.
thanks
m
Read Ahead.doc
(45 KB)
Respectfully,
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OSD Public Affairs
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From: (b) 6
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To:
Subject:
Attachments: SD-CJCS Update 07-28-05.ppt
SD-CJCS Update
07-28-0S.ppt (l...
28 July
SECOEF: Conference call with military analysts (1030); address "formers" (000, State, CIA
heads)(1145,3E928~
OEPSEC: Addresses formers meeting on QOR (1030, 3E928).
CJCS: Addresses formers meeting on GWOT (1100, 3E928).
CENTCOM: Brig. Gen. Donald Alston, MNF-I spokesman, press briefing via teleconference
with western journalists (1600 local, Baghdad).
Issues
Army repositioning; number of insurgents killed or arrested; 3rd 10 anonymous Iraqi
quotations; Boy Scout jamboree; Secretary's trip; London attacks; Iraq constitution
drafting; Iraq security and stability report; attacks on diplomats and kidnappings; ,
hostages; BRAe.
Headlines
• PM al..Jafaari calls for speedy withdrawal of U.S. troops, says key is picking up pace of
training troops, coordinated planning between Coalition and Iraqi government on security
transition (AP).
• U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq could begin by spring 2006 if political progress continues
and if insurgency doesn't expand, Gen. Casey tells reporters (AP).
• Two kidnapped Algerian diplomats killed, Algerian radio reports; al Qaeda in Iraq claims
responsibility (AP). .
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SECOEF: Conference call with military analysts (1030); address "formers"
(000, State, CIA heads) (1145, 3E928).

DEPSEC: Addresses formers meeting on QOR (1030, 3E928).
CJCS: Addresses formers meeting on GWOT (1100, 3E928).
CENTCOM: Brig. Gen. Donald Alston, MNF-I spokesman, press briefing
via teleconference with western journalists (1600 local, Baghdad).
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anonymous Iraqi quotations; Boy Scout jamboree; Secretary's trip;
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• PM al-Jafaari calls for speedy withdrawal of U.S. troops, says key is
picking up pace of training troops, coordinated planning between
Coalition and Iraqi government on security transition (AP).
• U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq could begin by spring 2006 if political
progress continues and if insurgency doesn't expand, Gen. Casey tells
reporters (AP).
•Two kidnapped Algerian diplomats killed, Algerian radio reports; al
:; I .. ,. Qaeda. in.lraq claims responsibility (AP). FOUO
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Sent: Wednesday, July 27,20053:30 PM
To: • • ' Col OASO-PA' • • Capt. USMC, OASO-PA;~
SFC, OASD-PA; • • CIV, OASD·PA
Cc: Oi Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASO-PA; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD·
PA
SUbJect: RE: Read Ahead for tomorrow's conference call
Attachments: Read Ahead.doc
ok, let's try that trick again WITH the attachment!
thanks
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Subject: Read Ahead for tomorrow's conference call
here is the read-ahead for the seedef call with military analysts tomorrow, please let me know if you have questions.
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Updated July 28, 2005
TELECONFERENCE WITH RETIRED MILITARY ANALYSTS
Daterrime: Thursday, July 28,2005 10:30 a.m. to 11 :00 a.m.
Location: Secretary of Defense Office (3E880)
Audience:
Confinned are:
Lieutenant General Frank (Ted) Campbell (USAF, Retired)
Brigadier General David 1. Grange (USA, Retired)
Lieutenant Colonel Robert 1. Maginnis (USA, Retired)
Major General Michael J. Nardotti, Jr. (USA, Retired)
General William 1. Nash (USA, Retired)
• You last met with roughly this same group June 16, 2005.
Media:
• Call is closed to the media.
• Comments should be considered on background. However. you may go off-the-record as you

see fit.
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Timeline:
• 1'0:30 a.m. Welcome and Introduction

Larry Di Rita
• 10:31 a.m. SeeDef comments on recent trip, Iraq Transition, Afghanistan Progress, update
on Detainee Related Activities
• 10:45 a.m. Open forQ&A
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Sent: Tuesday, JUly 26,20051:11 PM
To: r AI' n, CIV, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Andrew OSD·RA; rlMGi CIV, OASD-PA;
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Subject: Final Round up of coverage for the second group of military analy sts visiting Iraq
Attachments: Update- Gitmo Miliitary Analyst Visit 7.25.D5.doc
Update- Gltmo
Report a t tac h e d : t h urn bnaI'I summary .lor

Mlilltary Analys... ~ th ose out 0 f town an d
using the Blackberry - not nearly as much coverage in this second round,
with Jed Babbin generating the most.
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Updated July 27, 2005

TELECONFERENCE WITH RETIRED MILITARY ANALYSTS
Daterrime: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:30 a.m. to 11 :00 a.m.
Location: Secretary of Defense Office (3£880)
Audience:
Confinned are:
Lieutenant General Frank (Ted) Campbell (USAF, Retired)
Lieutenant Colonel Gordon CucuIIu (USA, Retired)
Major General Michael 1. Nardotti, Jr. (USA, Retired)
Major General Paul E. Vallely (USA, Retired).
• You last met with roughly this same group June 16,2005.
Media:
• Call is closed to the media.
• Comments should be considered on background. However, you may go off-the-record as you

see fit.
Timeline:
• 10:30 a.m. Welcome and Introduction

Larry Di Rita
• 10:31 a.m. SecDef comments on recent trip, Iraq Transition, Afghanistan Progress, update
on Detainee Related Activities
• 10:45 a.m. Open forQ&A
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MILITARY ANALYST FEEDBACK
POST GUANTANAMO VISIT
(July 13-25,2005)
Note: The analysts in this second group generated less media coverage than the first group.
There were no fundamental differences in comments between the two groups.
Highlights:
» Mr. Jed Babbin

o White House Bulletin: " ... witnessed parts of four different interrogations and saw
no abuse."
o White House Bulletin: "They're [the prisoners] not happy down there, but they
are living better than they were [in Afghanistan or Iraq]."
o American Spectator: "Everything is done in ways calculated to respect Islam."
o American Spectator: "The common belief among the [Gitmo] terrorists is that
political pressure will soon result in our having to close Gitmo and let them go."
o American Spectator: "There are no prisoner abuses at Gitmo. It's a matter of
pride among them [the prison guards]"
o u.s. News and World Report: Jed Babbin gave a copy of the menu served to
Gitmo detainees to the publication, which printed it and said it was so healthy it
"could be a model for the FDA's new food pyramid."
o CSPAN: (Rep. Rohrabacher quoting Jed Babbin) Critics of Gitmo are making
interrogations tougher, as detainees are now resisting, as they believe that the
facility might close ... Those running Gitmo have done "a fantastic job."
» Captain Chuck Nash

o Fox News: "It has more scrutiny" and it is a "very professionally run organization
[Gitmo]"
o Fox News: "Some of the treatment may be uncomfortable but it is not torturous
and it's not illegal."
o Fox News: " ... the only leverage that we have remaining on these prisoners is they
don't know when they're going to get out."
o Fox News: "There is absolutely zero truth to charges about the abuse of the
Koran. There were instances where Korans may have been dropped but there are
no instances of guards desecrating the Koran."
» Colonel Jeff McCausJand

o WCBS Radio: Guantanamo is "not a 'gulag' but it's also not 'Club Gitmo'"
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o WCBS Radio: Gitmo is a well-run maximum security prison for some very
dangerous people
o WCBS Radio: Commenting on recent abuse charges - the interrogators are trying
to humiliate 'and degrade as part of approved interrogation techniques; not
physically abuse
~ Lieutenant Colonel Sherwood

o Human Events Online: The guards feel more threatened than the
inmates ... There's more truth to Rush Limbaugh's comparison to "Club Gitmo"
than Sen. Durbin's "shameful and false" reference to a "Nazi concentration
camp."
Mr. Jed Babbin
One Shiny Apple: The Gitmo Diet

(U.S. News and World Report - Washington Whispers) - July 25
It certainly wasn't a good week on the PR front for the Guantanamo Bay prison authorities
accused of belittling and degrading captives during interrogations. But there is one area where
the military's treatment seems to shine, at least recently: fitness. During a press tour last week,
our spies saw prisoners playing soccer, getting medical care, and eating a diet that could be the
model for the FDA's new food pyramid. Jed Babbin, aformer Pentagon official who's a
contributing editorfor the American Spectator, snagged a weekly menufor us, and it shows a
diet that's heavy on veggies,fruits, and whole grains. Of note: no pork in deference to the
Muslim faith of many prisoners. Will this spark a Gitmo Diet craze?
Actual Menu from Gitmo.
White House Bulletin - IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND AROUND TOWN; Prisoners At
Guantanamo Bay Prison Providing Good Information.
Several members ofthe press have recently been brought to the Guantanamo Bay prison camp
to see what's going on at thefacility amid claims that prisoners are being abused, and
American Spectator Contributing Editor Jed Babbin is among the latest. Babbin was flown to
the base on Tuesday for a nine-hour tour, and during the visit officials suggested that some
prisoners are providing good information to government investigators and battlefield
commanders. "We're getting some good stuff," one official told Babbin. He said some of the
information extracted from prisoners has been used by the FBI investigators of 9/11, and by
battlefield generals in Iraq and Afghanistan. Babbin said in a telephone interview that he
witnessed parts offour different interrogations and saw no abuse. Babbin also visited all of
thejive separate camps. He described the interrogation rooms as stark,jilled only with
cameras andfolding chairs. He said the prisoners were provided cheese crackers and soda
during interrogations, but otherwise werefedfrom a nutritious menu. "They're not happy
down there," Babbin said ofthe prisoners, "but they are living better than they were lin
Afghanistan or IraqI. " He said that many are receiving health, dental and mental care. ,
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· The Gitmo Varsity
(The American Spectator)... Byline: Jed Babbin - July 18
GUANTANAMO BAY, CUBA -- Abdullah M. was missing a leg when he got to Gitmo. In due
course, he was fitted with a prosthetic leg and given occupational therapy to teach him how to
use it. In the Orwellian inversion that dominates "world opinion" and requires us to prove we're
the good guys, he was interrogated and -- after convincing our guys that he really wasn't a
terrorist fanatic -- released and repatriated to Afghanistan. Now sought for involvement in the
kidnapping of Chinese engineers and a bombing of the Islamabad Marriott, Abdullah is walking
around on the artificial leg we evil Americans paid for.
Last Tuesday, in the company of Gen. Jay Hood, the Gitmo Joint Task Force commander, I and
several other military analysts spent the day inside the terrorist detention camps and interrogation
facilities, talked to a lot of intel people and soldiers, and saw about all there is to see at Gitmo.
What I saw made me proud and disgusted: proud at how our guys and gals are dealing with
some ofthe world's worst,' disgusted at the Fonda-Durbins ofthe world who want the world to
believe that Gitmo is Auschwitz and terrorists are some oppressed minority.
As Gen. Hood explained, the mission of the Gitmo facility is twofold. First, to interrogate and
obtain useful information from the terrorists held there. Second, to keep the dangerous ones from
returning to terrorism, as so many of them openly say they wantto do. There are about 520 of
them. Many of them are just common thugs; foot soldiers in the terrorist gangs. With only a few
exceptions -- notably those who reside in Gitmo's equivalent of a psycho ward -- they are cold,
hard cases well trained in murder and in resisting interrogation. Mostly Afghani, Saudi, and
Yemeni, they average in age at about 32, are fit, strong men who are proud to dedicate their lives
to terrorism and look forward to the day they can go back to their chosen work. While observing
one interrogation of a typical detainee -. a Saudi man in his mid-thirties -- some of the intel
people who deal with him nearly every day told me how he contemptuously, and frequently,
proclaims his eagerness to get back to killing Westerners.
They are divided into separate mini-camps. Those who follow camp rules, basic stuffsuch as
"don't throw feces on the guards," get to wear white uniforms and live in a semi-communal
environment. In the minimum-security camp, I saw groups playing soccer and volleybalL One
guy was jogging around in his issue slip-on sneakers. Others, who are less cooperative, get
fewer privileges. Medium security camp inmates wear tan uniforms and are kept in cells, allowed
out often to exercise. Everything is done in ways calculated to respect Islam.
Inmates' Korans - in the medium security camps, hungfrom the steel mesh walls in surgical
masks - are accompanied, in every cell and exercise area I saw throughout Gitmo, by little
black arrows painted on bunks andfIoors, showing the direction ofMecca. Many prayer rugs
were in evidence, as were chess sets, playing cards, and - in the minimum-security camp
prescription sports glasses. In the maximum-security building, the Korans sit in the narrow
windowsills. Interrogators will even interrupt interrogation sessions to allow detainees to pray.
One interrogation I observed passed through the 4:30 p.m. call to prayer. The detainee, engaged
in conversation with his interrogator, ignored the call and kept talking. To these faux-religious
thugs, Islam is apparently less important than a cold Diet Coke.
The common beliefamong the terrorists,fed by reports apparently conveyed to some by their
lawyers, is that political pressure will soon result in our having to close Gitmo and let them go.
(Note to Messrs. Durbin, Kennedy, the New York Times, et aJ.: Please shut up. You are
making the interrogators' job much harder than it already is.) Because they believe we'll close
Gitmo, many ofthe detainees resistyears ofinterrogation.
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A large bunch of the detainees, about 100 of them, are smarter, better trained, and very
knowledgeable of what their pals want to do to. They are the terrorist varsity, the high-value
detainees. Up against them, and their ilk, are some of America's finest. ,
I DON'T KNOW THE NAMES of the soldiers: I didn't ask, and they didn't volunteer. No one-
other than the few top guys, including General Hood, his deputy, and the command sergeant
major -- wears nametags. If the others' names were visible to inmates, they and their families
would be at risk. That goes double for the intel crew. Like every soldier I've ever met, they had
to bitch a little. The two ~nlisted guys I lunched with at the "Cafe Caribe" -- a chow hall that will
never be mistaken for The Ritz -- were from towns in Texas and Washington State. The Texan
wanted to be home with his infant son. His pal from Washington wondered why the hell was so
much detail about the camp on the Internet. "How can you have OPSEC" -- operational security
- "when the whole world can see so much?" he asked.
They tried to do what every soldier is expected to do: shrug off the political floggings inflicted
on them and their commanders every day. They meant well, but they couldn't b.s. this old b.s.'er.
When someone compares Gitmo to a Nazi death camp, they take it personally. They know it's
idiocy, but it still hurts. Their motto is, "honor bound to defendfreedom," and they take that
personally, too. There are no prisoner abuses at Gitmo. It's a matter ofpride among them. The
chow is okay, they said, but mail is really slow. It takes almost three weeksfor mail to get to
them. The Texan - who is assigned to the psycho ward - had another concern. "These guys
have hepatitis, TB and who knows what other diseases. When they throwfeces on us they can
give us a disease we can't get over. " The medical crew Jooks after them, and the terrorists, very
well. The terrorists can't seem to make up their minds about it, though. Some, like a man who's
had surgery for a serious cardiac condition, refuse further treatment.
The guards move a lot of prisoners: to and from the hospital, to and from interrogation and even
between camps. The intel crew is as organized as I've seen any military operation, and that says a
lot. The head of one Interrogation Control Element toured us around "gold block," a hall along
which are a number of interrogation rooms. The rooms are all the same: stark white, with a small
table and a few folding chairs. There's a steel ring in the floor, to which the detainees are
attached by one or both leg irons. We observed a few interrogations there. The ICE boss
disagreed with what I'd been told before. The intel crews dqn't feel downtrodden or unreasonably
constrained by regulations. They're succeeding, and they take pride in the results they're getting.
There are a bunch of FBI investigations going on right now that are propelled by intelligence
garnered from the Gitmo detainees. It's not just possible - it's a dead-bang certainty - that
terrorist attacks in the United States are being thwarted by the patience and skill ofthe Gitmo
crew. And as the FBI benefits, so do the combatant commanders. The operational military levy
requests on Gitmo several times a week, and are often answered with information they can apply
on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan. And elsewhere.
TO ANYONE WITH OPEN eyes, it must be clear that we are treating these hard-core terrorists
humanely, and that our interrogators -- men and women, military and civilian -- should be
praised, not scorned. Investigation after investigation has showed that there is no torture at
Gitmo. But the outrageous and disgusting characterizations of what we are doing at Gitmo
continue.
On Friday, a New York Times editorial said, "Surely no one can approve turning an American
soldier into a pseudo-lap-dancer or having another smear fake menstrual blood on an Arab man.
These practices are as degrading to the women as they are to the prisoners. They violate
American moral values -- and they seem pointless....Does anyone in the military believe that a
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cold-blooded terrorist who has withstood months of physical and psychological abuse will crack
because a woman runs her fingers through his hair suggestively or watches him disrobe? If
devout Muslims become terrorists because they believe Western civilization is pepraved, does it
make sense to try to unnerve them by having Western women behave like trollops?" First they're
all Nazis or Cambodian murderers; now the gals are whores.
I've met a few of these gals, and I can tell you they are smart, tough, and are accomplishing
things other people can't. They aren't "behaving like trollops," but like the dedicated intel
professionals they are. I -- and a lot of people who are, fortunately, in control of what they do -
approve because they are acting within the rules, and producing results. There are no whores at
Gitmo, but there are intellectual whores in Congress.and at the Times.
Who should be blamedfor failing to prevent the next terrorist attack? Not the guys and gals of
Gitmo who are working tirelessly, under awful conditions and politically correct constraints,
to get information from hard-core terrorists. Every American should be proud of them, and
gratefulfor what they're doing to defend us.
There are terrorists here in the United States and, along with many others overseas, they are
planning to kill more Americans in more attacks. What will the intellectual whores of the left say
after the next 9-11 ? Will they say that we were right to forgo interrogation methods that used
sexual taunting and the use of psychotropic drugs? Or will they say that we should have done
more to protect America?
We know what torture is, and we know what it isn't. Anything else and everything else should be
done, consistently and thoroughly, to get the information we need. To say we should do less is to
say we must sacrifice American lives that could otherwise be saved.
TAS contributing editor Jed Babbin is the author of Inside the Asylum: Why the UN and Old
Television
CSPAN
7/20/20052:48:42 PM
(Commentary by Rep. Dana Rohrabacher quoting Jed Babbin - U.S. Housefloor)
One military analyst, Jed Babbin, recently toured Gitmo and concluded the following. The
common belief by the terrorists fed by reports apparently conveyed to some by their lawyers is
that political pressure will soon result in our having to close Gitmo and to let them go. Critics
are making the interrogator's job much harder than it already is because they (the terrorists)
are beginning to believe we'll close Gitmo and many ofthe detainees will resist interrogation
because ofthis belief. To the critics of Gitmo, I would ask them where do they suggest we put
them? Where are we going to put those people we need to interrogate? People there (at Gitmo)
have done a good job, a fantastic job ... not a perfect job. We should keep it open and not close
it and we should congratulate their efforts there.
Radio"
(*lnterviews scheduled; transcripts not available/or the/ollowing radio shows)
KOGO (San Diego)
7/22/2005
Interview with Jay Hood.
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"The Core Hour" - The Alternative Black Radio Show (National)

7/22/2005
Interview with the radio show of the Congress of Racial Equality
KSFO (San Francisco)

7/19/2005
Interview with Lee Rogers and Melanie Morgan
WPHT (Philadelphia)
7/16/2005
Interview with Joe Watkins
WJOB (Winnipeg)
7/15/2005
Interview with Charles Adler
KOGO (San Diego)

7/15/2005
Interview with Mark Larson
Accent Radio Network (National)

7/15/2005
Interview with Greg Allen
WSBA (York, PA)

7/15/2005
Interview with Dennis Edwards
KFBK (Sacramento)
7/14/2005
Interview with radio commentators Paul and Phil
WMET(DC)
7/14/2005
Interview with Mark Bisno
ABC Radio Networks (National)

7/13/2005
Interview with nationally syndicated show host John Batchelor
Westwood One (National)

7/13/2005
Interview with Lars Larson
WIBA (Madison, Wisconsin)
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7/13/2005
Interview with Vicki McKenna
Radio America (National)

7/1312005
Interview with Chuck Harder and Greg Corumbus
Chuck Nash
Television
Fox News - Your World with Neil Cavuto

7/15/2005 I :15:28 AM
Cavuto: Today's guest just got back from Guantanamo bay and says if anything, the prisoners
are treated too well. He joins us right now. What do you make, Chuck, of the attention Gitmo
gets these days? Nash: Unfortunately we have a situation that should not be political that is
being made political. To add more wood on to the proverbial fires that are started here on Capitol
Hill, this in no way should be in the news and the reason is because this is a very professionally
run organization. It has had more scrutiny than probably, you know, any other military
organization out there. They're doing a fabulous job, and they are, take it from me, they are
getting some tremendous intelligence infonnation out of these guys. I know you're aware, but my
security clearance is still current. And while I was down there, I was given a classified briefing
of what was going on. Andjust take it from me, that we are gaining tremendous value out of
these prisoners. Cavuto: I know you were there and you know better than I but there is a
separate report that says there were some cases of abuse there and John McCain, a guy who of
course was in the North Vietnamese prison for seven years of his life says we (as a country) can
do better. What do you say? Nash: Well, I think anything can be improved but when you look
at the way they're being treated down there, there is something in the codes that people talk about
and they say: ....are they given their Geneva convention rights? They are being treated humanly
and although some of the treatment may be uncomfortable, it is not torturous and -- it is not
illegal. Cavuto: you are saying we should be reminded of the terrors that are real like in
London last week and juxtapose that with what are fairly comfortable conditions in Gitmo.
Nash: This is a war and the next time this country gets hit, god forbid, people will wonder when
do we get tough on these guys? What is going on, the folks in Gitmo are getting the information
they're getting and playing by the rules and it is disastrous for them. The one lever that they
have, if you think about this, we have pretty much published what we can and can't do to
prisoners. The prisoners know that the only leverage that we have remaining on these prisoners is
they don't know when they're going to get out. Do you know when they're going to get out?
When this war is over. Ifwe start talking like some of these people up here on the hilI about
closing down Gitmo then that just stokes their fire and props them up because they think we
don't have to talk to these guys. Cavuto: Chuck, you were there. Have you seen cases of that
where they're saying, look, we will just go slowly? Nash: There are instances where, after
certain statements are made and it's been reported in the press where folks from the Middle East
are coming back and saying, see, even U.S. Senators and Congressmen are saying these things.
So it is being used against us and you know when you're playing by the rules you have to control
the environment. To control the environment, you have to really be careful about what these
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prisoners can and cannot get access to. Cavuto: There were .- I don't know what you know or
what you can comfortably say. I know you had a clearance to go in there so maybe you can't say
much. But one of the reports was the abuse of the Koran, physical abuse or sort of more
embarrassing type abuse for the prisoners there. Any of that true? Nash: There is absolutely
zero truth to charges about the abuse of the Koran. There were instances where Korans may have
been dropped but no instances of guards desecrating the Koran. Every Koran is hanging object a
surgical mask by each prisoner's bed where it's in plain view and everything. There have been
instances where some of the prisoners have desecrated the Koran and what they did was they tore
it up to try to stop up a toilet or they tore it up and threw it out to try to insight the other prisoners
to riot. As far as the abusive stuff, yeah, they had this guy. This guy, turns out he was the 20th
hijacker....Cavuto: Wish we had more time but thank you for putting that in perspective.
Appreciate it. Chuck Nash with the latest on Gitmo.
Jeff McCausland
Radio*
(*Interviews scheduled; transcripts not available for radio shows with an asterisk)
WCBS NewsRadio 880

7/15/05
Interview with Jeff McCausland with limited commentary on his recent visit to Gitmo
CBS - Up to the Minute*
Transcript not available at the time of this report
Additional Commentary *
Interviews with two radio stations in the San Francisco and Pittsburgh markets
Carlton Shenvood
Gitmo Prisoners Are Right Where They Belong: Firsthand Look at Camp Delta
(Human Events Online) ... Carlton Sherwood - July 22
The thought occurs more than once on the (Guantanamo Bay) tour that those guarding the
terrorists/eel more threatened than the inmates. And they should•.• One detainee told his
captor that when he was released he would track him and his family down on the Internet and
"cut their throats like sheep ... "
Many are living in better conditions than they have ever experienced ...
They play soccer, volleyball, cards and chess. A fully equipped hospital is within the prison
compound. Military doctors provide detainees with everything from new limbs to heart
surgery ...
Each detainee is provided with a copy of the Koran, prayer rug and beads, skullcap and oils:-and
the chance to use them five times daily during calls to prayer...
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· I was allowed to observe, remotely, four interrogation sessions ... If not for the shackles on their
ankles, tethered to a bolt on each interrogation room floor, a necessary safety measure to protect
the questioners, you'd think the detainees were enjoying it.
(Jay) Hood insists the interrogations are producing in-depth intelligence, what he calls "a wider.
mosaic of how al Qaeda operates," which has proven invaluable to both military field
commanders and Homeland Security officials. But given the nature of intelligence gathering, it is
unlikely you will see any headlines reporting success, nothing about terrorist attacks foiled or
innocent lives saved ...
There is far more truth to Rush Limbaugh's parodies of "Club Gitmo" than Democratic Sen.
Richard Durbin's shameful andfalse analogy to a Nazi concentration camp.
Radio*
(*Interviews scheduled; transcripts not available for the following radio shows)
o Interviews scheduled this week on the Tony Snow and Laura Ingraham shows.
o Radio interviews to take place this week in Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Washington D.C.
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(horne fax)
(mobile)
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Subject: Rodman, Sharp military analyst transcript
Attachments: 07-20-05 Rodman, LTG Sharp Iraq report.doc
Attached is the transcript from yesterday's briefing by Mr. Rodman and LTG Sharp to the military analysts on the Iraqi
security and stability report being sent to Congress.
Note: information embargoed until after release of the report.
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Date: July 20, 2005
We invite you to participate in a conference call, WEDNESDAY, July 20,2005 from 4:00 p.m. to 4:30 p.rn.
The topic will be the report to Congress on Measuring Stability and Security in Iraq. In order to participate in
this call, we ask that you agree to EMBARGO any infonnation you acquire during the discussion until the
report has been provided to Congress.
Participants in this conference call will be Mr. Peter Rodman, Assistant Secretary of Defense for International
Security Affairs (bio at: <http://www.defenselink.mil/bios/rodman bio.html» and Lieutenant General Walter
Sharp, Director for Strategic Plans and Policy, J-5 (bio at: <http://www.jcs.mil/bios/bio sharp.html».
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Attachments: Update- Gitmo Miliitary Analyst Visit 7.25.05.doc
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Subject: FW: china military power report conf call transcript
Attachments: 07-19-05 Rodman, BG Allen. china. doc
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Military Analyst Call •
Wednesday, July 20, 2005 (1600, Room' The Pentagon)
Briefers: Mr. Peter Rodman, LTG Sharp
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Subject: release of Iraq stability and security re.port to Congress
ON BACKGROUND
EMBARGOED FOR RELEASE UNTIL AFTER REPORT RELEASE
Participant Infonnation
I. General Kernan
2. Robert Maginnis
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4. Ervin Rokke
5. Rick Francona
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7. Paul Vallely
8. Jed Babbin
9. Jeff McCausland
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11. Mark Hoffman
12. General Grange
Ms. Barber: (in progress) stability and security report in Iraq report that will be released
tomorrow. I am not sure if you saw the secretaris briefing today; he did the broad
strokes and gave a lot of context to this issue.
What we are going to do today on the call is this will be on background, as always, but
today with a little bit of a twist it will be embargoed until tomorrow. So I am going to ask
you to hold the information you hear today until tomorrow When we release the report at
about 1700 and at which point we will actually send you copies of the report. rmTI is
here; she is great about getting you stuff and information.
So, just to refresh the ground rules: this is on background plus embargoed until tomorrow
when you get the report from us which will be about 1700. So with that I will open it up
did you have opening remarks that you'd like to start?
Mr. Rodman: This is Peter Rodman, nice to talk to you again. This is a report, as you
know, required by Congress. It was in the conference report for the '05 supplemental.
And they asked for, yoti know, indicators, -performance standards, how to measure what's
going on. And they were smart enough to not just limit this to security training
measurements, or stability measurements, but also political and economic conditions.
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And 'I think that is, as you'll see, is a more comprehensive way to judge what is
happening, you know, who's doing well, how are we doing in Iraq?
So I am going to talk a little bit about political and economic things, and then General
Sharp will talk about the security issues, including the training and so forth. The report
that's going up is an unclass report; there's a classified annex that will go along with it on
some details, but let me just start with the political timeline.
I mean this, to me this is one of the most important measures of what's going on - the
strategic prize in Iraq is this political process. The strategic objective ofthe enemy is to
derail this political process because they see it as a threat. I mean, if the political process
succeeds, you're isolating the extremists politically; you're splitting the Sunni, you're
splitting the mainstream Sunni from the extremist. And, you know, while we hunt them
down militarily we're also engaged in this political effort to - as I said - to isolate them
and to consolidate what is clearly the will of the overwhelming majority of the
population.
So I mean -- that's the - the political game is in fact the main ~ame going on. And so we,
in this report, talk about the political process. And January 30 t was a great milestone,
reminded everybody about what is really going on there and where the overwhelming
majority of the population is.
Now the game as you know right now is the constitution drafting. I mean, first you had
the election in January, then the government was fonned, the Transitional National
Assembly was fonned. The main game now is constitution drafting. There is a
commission in being that has been working for many months; their deadline is August
15 th to produce a draft; October 15 th is to be a referendum; and if the referendum is
approved, then a national election in December - December 15 th for a new government
a new government based on the pennanent constitution.
We think they can keep this deadline; and our report, again, lays out the familiar timeline,
but, the people drafting - the people on this constitution drafting commission are
convinced that they can do it. They have most ofa draft text already agreed. There are
some very tough issues out there like Kirkuk and the nature of a federal system. But they
think they can do it, and the U.N. people out there who are monitoring this think this is
doable.
We think it is absolutely essential to keep to this timeline. You know in the interim
constitution that-- the Transitional Administrative Law - that there's a provision that
permits, you know, a delay of up to six months, but we think this would be a terrible idea
because the momentum of this is .- again -- one of the weapons we have. You know,
keep this process going is a blow - in fact, again - it symbolizes, like.January 301h , that
the strategic - that we are winning the strategic game here, and that they are utterly
failing to derail this, and so the momentum is important.
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So we're saying one of the measurements of, you know, who's'- who's doing well there
is whether this political timeline is being kept. And so we layout - you know, lay that out
here and that's, you know, our assessment is what I've said. We think this is not only
going pretty well but it's really crucial.
We also layout some other facts. I mean, there are public opinion polls in the country
that show a large majority thinks the country is going in the right direction. Another good
indicator - their international support is something else we track and there was-a donors'
conference in Brussels in June that Secretary of State Rice went to, high-level
representation from all over the world. There's a donors' conference going on right now
in Jordan, international contributions - economic contributions to Iraq.
So aU of that is continuing, and -- and, so again, the international support that the country
is getting is important, and it's worth mentioning when - in any discussion of, you know,
how are we doing?
The economic side - you know, again, it's easy to measure it; it's a mixed picture
because the security situation clearly is hampering, you know, the potential of Iraq, but,
you know, there are clearly some important positive macro-economic indicators. It's a
stable currency; I mean this is one of the underappreciated things that happened I guess
very early on. A new currency which has been a success; inflation is in check.
Now unemployment is pretty high, it's about 28 percent, but we have some figures or
some references to things like the formation of new businesses, private sector activity,
there's some measurements of that which show there is an economy - you know, a
modern economy developing. And, you know, we think this is - again, it's worth
mentioning. And we know the security situation hampers it, but there it is.
We discuss the basic - some of the other basic other indicators like electricity and, you
know, we think we're making some progress there; it's not as good as the demand. I
mean, the demand - partiCUlarly in the summer is high, but we're meeting the goals we
have set in electricity generation. Oil -- you know, crude oil production is fairly steady,
exports are at 1.4 million barrels a day - again, this is hampered by security problems,
but, they're earning a lot of revenue-- given the price of oil, they're earning a lot of
revenue.
So we've got other statistics that are interesting. Communications - I mean, cell phones,
Internet use- these things are just skyrocketing, and that's - you know, again, it's worth
mentioning some of the positive things as weJl the things that aren't going as well as they
should.
So that's - that's in a nutshell what the report has on the political and economic side, and
I'm going to give you General Sharp to talk about the security picture.
LTG Sharp: OK, thanks Peter. On the security side we really in the report cover three
basic things.
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First off is the influence and effectiveness of the insurgents. The second is the capacity
and the effectiveness of Iraqi Security Forces. And then we also touch on Iraqi rule of
law. So let me hit each one ofthose very briefly.
First off, on the effectiveness of the insurgents. As Peter has pointed out, the insurgents
have not been able to derail the political process. It has continued to move on, and I think
that that is a key element in our success is to be able to ensure that that process continues.
If you look specifically at the number of attacks, during the recent period they have been
reduced from the period of sovereignty - and we cover in the report sovereignty running
from about 29 June last year until late November oflast year, where we were averaging
per week somewhere in the order of 530 attacks per week.
Then we got into the election period, which ran from late November until early February,
and we were down in the order there about the same - 510, 515 per week.
Since then, we're down in the order of about 420 per week attacks across the board, and
those are attacks on not only Coalition forces, but Iraqi forces, civilians, infrastructure
really, across the board. So there have been a significant decrease in attacks since just
prior to and during the election time period.
And then we you peel that back a little bit further as to where the attacks are, 84 percent
of those attacks are occurring in fOUf provinces of the 18 that are in Iraq. So the majority
of it of course are in the Baghdad, al Anbar, Ninawah, and Sula ad Din Provinces, with
substantially less in the other provinces, and that's laid out in the report.
We also think that it is important to look at infrastructure. And that - in (and?)

infrastructure it has significantly reduced from approximately over 40 a month during the
sovereignty period to down now where we're in the vicinity of about 10 per month.
because there's been a lot of focus by Iraqi Security Forces to try to maintain the
infrastructure so that electricity and oil can continue to flow across the board.
The report then gets into some details on Iraqi Security Forces themselves and the
numbers that we have out there. And again, you'll be able to see in the report exact
numbers, but what we layout is what has been trained and equipped-in other words,
that have come out of our schoolhouse, and it talks - it gives the number for Ministry of
Defense forces of 77,300 and Ministry oflnterior forces of 94,000 - both of those
approximate numbers. So, schooltrained, out there, doing the hard work day-to-day is
about 171,300.
And you have to keep in mind that above and beyond that are some force protection or
facility protection forces that are out there and then some that industries have hired as
local contractors that are out there also. So these are the numbers that General Petraeus
and General Casey are focusing on getting trained and capable.
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The report then talks in the unclassified side about how we measure the performance of
those forces that are out there, because we all understand that training continues even
after you get out of the schoolhouse, and talks about the perfonnance of the units and
capability of the units.
In the unclassified side, it lays out how we assess them, and we assess them really using a
technique similar to how we do in our military with our unit status reports, looking at a
composition of personnel, command-and-control ability, training, sustainment, logistics,
equipment, leadership, and then an overall assessment ranked into really four different
categories: ones that are capable of doing everything by themselves against the
insurgency - from planning, executing and sustaining; that would be the top category.
The next category are those that are capable of planning, executing and sustaining
counterinsurgency operations with our help - in other words, with our folks there helping
call in medevac or call in artillery, but it's generally them in the lead but with our help.
The third category is then capable of conducting counterinsurgency operations only when
operating closely and along side the Coalition. This is much more with us in the lead.
Still, substantial number ofIraqis there, but with us in the lead.
And then the final category is those that are fonning that aren't out doing operations yet.
The report on the unclassified side does of course not give the total numbers that are in
each one of those categories, because as we do not give out our readiness ratings, we do
not feel that it is right to give out the Iraqis' because it really does give a lot of
infomlation to the enemy out there. But when we testify in front of Congress, which Peter
and I will both do tomorrow, and is (it's?) laid out in the classified version of the report,
we go through very specific numbers. And to say in general there are substantial numbers
of Iraqi units both in the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Interior out doing
operations on a day-to-day basis, some of them by themselves, a lot of them with them
leading, and some of them with us just enabling them. They really are taking the fight to
the enemy out there, and General Casey has been very, very encouraged by what they've
been able to do.
And then the last part that we go through is talk a little bit about the rule of law, the fact
that there have been many cases - about, over 300 Coalition cases that have been - or
cases that have been tried by the Central Criminal Court ofIraq with 300 - or, over 300
convictions because some of the cases have more than one individual involved in it.
Special Tribunal case - I am sure you've read - has been referred on the I i h of July, and
they are establishing an anti-crime task force with FBI assistance to help investigate other
terrorist activities as we go through.
But the report generally shows from the security side progress on Iraqi Security Forces
being able to go out and take the fight on, and be in the lead in many cases in the country
to be able to provide security and stability for their country.
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And with that - Peter, unless you have anything else - maybe we can throw it open to a
couple questions.
Mr. Rodman: Sure.
Mr. Maginnis: General, Bob Maginnis. Question on the cooperation of neighbors,

whether or not that's measured, because clearly Syria's sending bad people into Iraq and
that's been a problem on the insurgency.
LTG Sharp: Yeah, - it is, it -- we watch it very closely. We touch on it in the report, but it
'f,_" really wasn't one of the things that we were asked to highlight in the report in here. I
think what General- what you've heard General Casey say is that, is that, you know,
he's working very hard to try to stop the flow of insurgents coming in through Syria, and
- but still sees that happening out there. And I think our government has continued to
push Syria to try be very proactive, to try to stop the - that flow coming in, because it is a
- it is a major source of insurgents that are coming in. Pete, I don't know if you want to
answer that?
Mr. Rodman: It's a big political issue with Syria, and we're heading into some kind of
crisis with Syria if they don't reverse it. And, it's not a border control problem. It's a
problem of political decision by the Syrian government to tolerate, you know, the use of
Syrian territory as a sanctuary. I mean, there's a lot of political organizing by these bad
guys; there are these infiltration rat lines using Syrian territory, and this is a police state
which, you know, sure as hell ought to be able to put a stop to this activity inside Syria.
Syria is not known for tolerating a lot of freelance political activity. So we think it's a
strategic decision tbat needs to be made by the Syrian government to crack down on this
inside the country. Now, they are doing a little bit more on border control, but that isn't
the central issue, and that's how we've - that's how we've put i~ to them.
Mr. Maginnis: If! could follow up just on that.
Mr. Rodman: Sure.
Mr. Maginnis: The meeting with (Prime Minister) Jafaari(?) over in Iran and Tehran last
week - there have been reports about security agreements. Are we just talking, you know,
security cooperation along the border, or are they involved in any training of any Iraqis?
Mr. Rodman: No, I think the answer is no. It, it -- I mean, I saw the first reports, too, and
got worried. But it seems to be border control, some other very practical things which
seem very good, particularly ifthe Iranians live up to them, but no, they're not involved
in any training.
Voice (LTG Sharp?): That's correct.
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Mr. McCausland: This is Jeff McCausland. Question for General Sharp. Sir, while I take
your point that the overall numbers may have gone done since last fall (from?) 530 to
420, at least the clear impression on this side of the water is the level oflethality has gone
up significantly over the last few months with a dramatic upsurge in car bombings and
the like and even the number of - particularly the Iraqi deaths - has gone up significantly
in the last months now, I think (inaudible) heard numbers of 800 or more people killed
just in the last month.
Can you comment on that? Because again, the picture again when you talk about things
like Operation Lightning, which was widely bandied as an effort to cut down on
particularly car bombings in the Baghdad vicinity, and then, you know, it doesn't seem to
at least have (essentially?) been all that successful, based on the lethality we're
witnessing. For us now to argue that things are really getting better because the number
of actual attacks is going down will be, quite candidly, a pretty darned tough sell.
And then, Mr. Rodman, if I could ask real - does anyone have any thoughts about on the
political side - you know, one of the strange things about this insurgency, unlike any
history, I think, is they don't seem to have in any way, shape or form painted a political
picture on what they would do if they were successful. We seem to be their Achilles'
heel. I mean, they're not encouraging the Iraqi people that they'll give them anything
except more chaos. And I am just curious if you have any thoughts on that because I
agree with you the political piece is the centerpoint.
Mr. Rodman: Yes, well Skip, why don't you go first, and I'll do the second one.
LTG Sharp: You are correct. The lethality of the attacks we are watching very closely
because they are increasing. We are trying to work very hard tq try to reduce the number
of IEDs and vehicle-borne IEDs and suicide bombers. I think you are seeing a shift to
more attacks against Iraqi Security Forces and against civilians out there. And, you know,
if you get a couple of these that are in the right area that cause a whole bunch of
casualties, they are very deadly.
I think, to answer question though, is it progress or not? You've really got to look at a
mixture of both of them - how many attacks that they're able to generate, and then what
are they able to cause from it?
But you've got to measure that against what is the effect also that they're having on the
people out there? And all the polls that we have seen recently say that -- a couple of
things, that the people oflraq have got great confidence in the Iraqi Security Forces and
see them as professional that are out there, and that they are going to vote in the
upcoming referendums and elections. So they're not deterring the people of Iraq out
there.
Mr. Rodman: On the other issue, I think you're absolutely right, I think it's a weakness
on their part. It's a mixture, I mean, the hard core of the insurgency is former regime
elements and I think there, if they have a political vision, it's a fantasy, a fantasy that they
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can somehow restore, you know, Sunni Ba'athist dominance of the country. And there's a
mixture of more Islaarnist types who have different goals and to that degree it's totally
incoherent. So I think that's a weakness, but it also - the Sunni Ba'athist line is a
minority, and it's a minority of a minority. So I don't know how they aspire to, you
know, somehow gain control other than by brute force which I don't think they have the
capability of.
And another way to look at it - if you look at these classical theories of guerilla war,
maybe you start out with terror attacks that demoralize a population, but if you do well,
then you graduate to guerilla operations and if you broaden your base, you graduate to
larger unit operations. But if all these guys can do - you know, they can blow up civilians
on street comers, and it's a horror, but Ijust sort ofwonder whether, you know, from
their point of view, you know, do they think they're gaining militarily or strategically? So
I think at least from that perspective, you know, they have some serious weaknesses and
we have, you know, it's a fight over legitimacy - evCfY kind of, any struggle like this is a
fight for legitimacy, and I think we have that weapon in our hands.
Mr. Nardotti: This is Mike Nardotti for Mr. Rodman. You mentioned earlier on the
constitution drafting there are still some tough issues, very tough issues to get through.
What do you see as the toughest issues, and do they, of those tough issues, which may
have the possibility of kind of derailing the process in its entirety or the time frame that
you're trying to achieve, or that they're trying to achieve?
Mr. Rodman: The two are Kirkuk, and some of the basis (bases?) of federalism. Vou
know, Kirkuk, it was Arabized during the Saddam period and now the Kurds have
unilaterally kind of done some ethnic cleansing, and so the issue is, you know, where do
you draw boundaries and who do you count as a voter in Kirkuk? You know, if you draw
a political map and a political system you sort of have to face up to this: Who counts as a
citizen?
So they have to solve that, and that's a tough one. The other one is, you know, federalism
- by that I mean what kind 'of - do you divide the country up into provinces and have
voting by province? You remember the first election they had was sort of one,
undifferentiated national electorate because they didn't have time to draw districts. And
for districts you need some sort of census or some, you know, some agreed basis for, you
know, deciding how many voters you have.
So -- and the issue of federalism is also how much autonomy do the Kurds get? The
Kurds want, you know, a significant degree of autonomy. Federalism I think as the
phrase - as the word is used now, involves a little more of national control. And the
Kurds, I mean everybody else is reluctant to give the Kurds too much power, but the
Kurds are in a pivotal position. You may have noticed some ofthe Shia'a, some of the
folks in the south who were Shia'a, were thinking of forming a kind of autonomous
region themselves to take advantage of whatever autonomy the Kurds got. So they have
to sort out some of these macro issues as well.
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Mr. Kernan: Hey Skip, this is Buck Kernan. Can you speak to the refonnation efforts of
the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Interior, and the fusion of those two ministries?
LTG Sharp: Yes sir. Good to hear from you. We are, of course as you know, have got
advisors in both of those ministries working very closely with MNC-I and with MNF-I
over there. We're seeing great progress we think in the Ministry of Defense side. We are
continuing to work on the Ministry of Interior side. General Casey, last I talked to him,
was very satisfied with the ministers themselves.
I think there's still more work to be done on the Ministry ofInterior side linking them to
the provincial police headquarters and the police elements actually out in the field.
On the Ministry of Defense side, that seems to be working really - pretty - very, well,
and I think we've got a good chain of command working down through there.
Mr. Babbin: Jed Babbin for Mr. Rodman. Mr. Rodman, Jed Babbin here. Question about
the timing of the trial for Saddam. Are we concemed it may bump up against the 15
October or 15 December proceedings? How is that going to affect the Iraqi Security
Forces? Are we expressing any concern to the Interim Government on that?
Mr. Rodman: Well I don't think we've had a concern of that kind. I think we have
wanted to have some of these trials sooner rather than later, because we think it's a great,
you know, the psychological and political effect it would have in the country would be
very positive, reminding everybody about what this is about and showing that the new -
showing that it's a new Iraq, you know, showing the diehard extremists that the old
regime is dead.
So we have just tended to want them to do it. To help them we have, you know, some
Department of Justice legal people helping them with their tribunals. I don't think we've
worried so much about deconfliction of - or any particular dates.
LTG Sharp: If I could just - as we end, and I'm sorry, I do have to run off here, but let
me go back to the casualty question again just very briefly. And although I can't give you
numbers because they're classified, I think I am safe to characterize a couple things on it.
First off, if you compare it to the time oflast summer and last fall, what we call the
"sovereignty period," we are up in casualties - weekly average, if you will, of casualties.
But where it has gone up significantly is against Iraqi civilians. And again, it's up about
well, it's up about 1.5 - 150 percent above where it was during the pre-sovereignty
period. It has gone done against Coalition. And again, it has gone up against Iraqi
Security Forces, but not as much as up against civilians.
So I think what we're seeing here is less attacks, but the insurgents are realizing that both
Iraqi Security Forces are becoming much more capable harder targets, if you will-
they've always realized the Coalition are hard targets -- and trying to make their mark
against civilians, and I think the civilians are telling them we're not going to be, we're
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not going to be deterred; we're going to continue to vote and we want this to move
forward.
So that's - I hope that gives you a little more detail as far as the casualties.
Ms. Barber: Great. Thanks General Sharp. Thanks Mr. Rodman. And as we mentioned,
we will send out the report to you tomorrow around 1700 and all this information will be
embargoed til then. So thanks so much for your time on the call today.
Voice: Thanks a lot.
(end)
NY TIMES 731.7
(July 13·18,2005)
Note: The analysts in this second group are generating less media coverage thusfar than the
first group did. There are nofundamental differences in comments between the two groups.
Highlights:
» Mr. Jed Babbin

o White House Bulletin: " ... witnessed parts of four different interrogations and saw
no abuse."
o White House Bulletin: "They're [the prisoners] not happy down there, but they
are living better than they were [in Afghanistan or Iraq]."
o *American Spectator: "Everything is done in ways calculated to respect Islam."
o *American Spectator: "The common belief among the [Gitmo] terrorists is that
political pressure will soon result in our having to close Gitmo and let them go."
o *American Spectator: "There are no prisoner abuses at Gitmo. It's a matter of
pride among them [the prison guards]"
» Captain Chuck Nash

o Fox News: "It has more scrutiny" and it is a "very professionally run organization
[Gitmo]"
o Fox News: "Some of the treatment may be uncomfortable but it is n~t torturous
and it's not illegal."
o Fox News: " ... the only leverage that we have remaining on these prisoners is they
don't know when they're going to get out."
o Fox News: "There is absolutely zero truth to charges about the abuse of the
Koran. There were instances where Korans may have been dropped but there are
no instances of guards desecrating the Koran."
» Colonel Jeff McCausland

o *WCBS Radio: Guantanamo is "not a 'gulag' but it's also not 'Club Gitmo'"
o *WCBS Radio: Gitmo is a well-run maximwn security prison for some very
dangerous people
o *WCBS Radio: Commenting on recent abuse charges· the interrogators are
trying to humiliate and degrade as part of approved interrogation techniques; not
physically abuse
*New commentary since the last report
Public Affairs Research and Analysis (Karabe/l, Walt, Harwood, and Heilsnis)
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Mr. Jed Babbin
White House Bulletin - IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND AROUND TOWN; Prisoners At
Guantanamo Bay Prison Providing Good Information.
Several members ofthe press have recently been brought to the Guantanamo Bay prison camp
to see what's going on at the facility amid claims that prisoners are being abused, and
American Spectator Contributing Editor Jed Babbin is among the latest. Babbin was flown to
the base on Tuesday for a nine-hour tour, and during the visit officials suggested that some
prisoners are providing good information to government investigators and battlefield
commanders. "We're getting some good stuff," one official told Babbin. He said some of the
information extracted from prisoners has been used by the FBI investigators of 9/11, and by
battlefield generals in Iraq and Afghanistan. Babbin said in a telephone interview that he
witnessed parts offour different interrogations and saw no abuse. Babbin also visited all of
thejive separate camps. He described the interrogation rooms as stark,ji/led only with
cameras andfolding chairs. He said the prisonen were provided cheese crackers and soda
during interrogations, but otherwise werefed from a nutritious menu. "They're not happy
down there," Babbin said ofthe prisoners, "but they are living better than they were lin
Afghanistan or Iraq}. " He said that many are receiving health, dental and mental care.
The Gitmo Varsity'"

(The American Spectator) ... Byline: Jed Babbin - July 18
GUANTANAMO BAY, CUBA -- Abdullah M. was missing a leg when he got to Gitmo. In due
course, he was fitted with a prosthetic leg and given occupational therapy to teach him how to
use it. In the Orwellian inversion that dominates "world opinion" and requires us to prove we're
the good guys, he was interrogated and -- after convincing our guys that he really wasn't a
terrorist fanatic -- released and repatriated to Afghanistan. Now sought for involvement in the
kidnapping of Chinese engineers and a bombing of the Islamabad Marriott, Abdullah is walking
around on the artificial leg we evil Americans paid for.
Last Tuesday, in the company of Gen. Jay Hood, the Gitmo Joint Task Force commander, I and
several other military analysts spent the day inside the terrorist detention camps and interrogation
facilities, talked to a lot of intel people and soldiers, and saw about all there is to see at Gitmo.
What I saw made me proud and disgusted: proud lit how our guys and gals are dealing with
some ofthe world's worst; disgusted at the Fonda-Durbins ofthe world who want the world to
believe that Gitmo is Auschwitz and terrorists are some oppressed minority.
As Gen. Hood explained, the mission of the Gitmo facility is twofold. First, to interrogate and
obtain useful information from the terrorists held there. Second, to keep the dangerous ones from
returning to terrorism, as so many of them openly say they want to do. There are about 520 of
them. Many of them are just common thugs; foot soldiers in the terrorist gangs. With only a few
exceptions -- notably those who reside in Gitmo's equivalent of a psycho ward •• they are cold,
hard cases well trained in murder and in resisting interrogation. Mostly Afghani, Saudi, and
Yemeni, they average in age at about 32, are fit, strongmen who are proud to dedicate their lives
to terrorism and look forward to the day they can go back to their chosen work. While observing
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one interrogation of a typical detainee -- a Saudi man in his mid-thirties -- some of the intel
people who deal with him nearly every day told me how he contemptuously, and frequently,
proclaims his eagerness to get back to killing Westerners.
They are divided into separate mini-camps. Those who follow camp rules, basic stuffsuch as
"don't throw/eces on the guards," get to wear white uniforms and live in a semi-communal
environment. In the minimum-securuy camp, I saw groups playing soccer and volleyhall. One
guy was jogging around in his issue slip-on sneakers. Others, who are less cooperative, get
fewer privileges. Medium security camp inmates wear tan unifonns and are kept in cells, allowed
out often to exercise. Everything is done in ways calculated to respect Islam.
Inmates' Korans - in the medium security camps, hungfrom the steel mesh walls in surgical
masks - are accompanied, in every cell and exercise area I saw throughout Gitmo, by little
hlack arrows painted on hunks andjloors, showing the direction 0/ Mecca. Many prayer rugs
were in evidence, as were chess sets, playing cards, and - in the minimum-security camp
prescription sports glasses. In the maXimum-security building, the Korans sit in the narrow
windowsills. Interrogators will even interrupt interrogation sessions to allow detainees to pray.
One interrogation I observed passed through the 4:30 p.m. call to prayer. The detainee, engaged
in conversation with his interrogator, ignored the call and kept talking. To these faux-religious
thugs, Islam is apparently less important than a cold Diet Coke.
The common beliefamong the terrorists, fed hy reports apparently conveyedto some by their
lawyers, is that political pressure will soon result in our having to close Gitmo and let them go.
(Note to Messrs.' Durbin, Kennedy, the New York Times, et al.: Please shut up. You are
making the interrogators' job much harder than it already is.) Because they believe we'll close
Gitmo, many ofthe detainees resist years ofinterrogation.
A large bunch of the detainees, about 100 of them, are smarter, better trained, and very
knowledgeable of what their pals want to do to. They are the terrorist varsity, the high-value
detainees. Up against them, and their ilk, are some of America's finest.
I DON'T KNOW THE NAMES of the soldiers: I didn't ask, and they didn't volunteer. No one -
other than the few top guys, including General Hood, his deputy, and the command sergeant
major -- wears nametags. If the others' names were visible to inmates, they and their families
would be at risk. That goes double for the intel crew. Like every soldier I've ever met, they had
to bitch a little. The two enlisted guys I lunched with at the "Cafe Caribe" -- a chow hall that will
never be mistaken for The Ritz -- were from towns in Texas and Washington State. The Texan
wanted to be home with his infant son. His pal from Washington wondered why the hell was so
much detail about the camp on the Internet. "How can you have OPSEC" -- operational security
- "when the whole world can see so much?" he asked.
They tried to do what every soldier is expected to do: shrug off the political floggings inflicted
on them and their commanders every day. They meant well, but they couldn't b.s. this old b.s.'er.
When someone compares Gitmo to a Nazi death camp, they take it personally. They know it's
idiocy, but it still hurts. Their motto is, "honor bound to defendfreedom," and they take that
personally, too. There are no prisoner abuses at Gitmo. It's a matter ofpride among them. The
chow is okay, they said, but mail is really slow. It takes almost three weeks for mail to get to
them. The Texan - who is assigned to the psycho ward - had another concern. "These guys
have hepatitis, TB and who knows what other diseases. When they throw feces on us they can
give us a disease we can't get over. " The medical crew looks after them, and the terrorists, very
well. The terrorists can't seem to make up their minds about it, though. Some, like a man who's
had surgery for a serious cardiac condition, refuse further treatment.
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The guards move a lot of prisoners: to and from the hospital, to and from interrogation and even
between camps. The intel crew is as organized as rve seen any military operation, and that says a
lot. The head of one Interrogation Control Element toured us around "gold block," a hall along
which are a number of interrogation rooms. The rooms are all the same: stark white, with a small
table and a few folding chairs. There's a steel ring in the floor, to which the detainees are
attached by one or both leg irons. We observed a few interrogations there. The ICE boss
disagreed with what I'd been told before. The intel crews don't feel downtrodden or unreasonably
constrained by regulations. They're succeeding, and they take pride in the results they're getting.
There are a bunch of FBI investigations going on right now that are propelled by intelligence
garnered from the Gitmo detainees. It's notjust"possible - it's a dead-bang certainty - that
terrorist attacks in the United States are being thwarted by the patience and skill ofthe Gitmo
crew. And as the FBI benefits, so do the combatant commanders. The operational military levy
requests on Gitmo several times a week, and are often answered with information they can apply
on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan. And elsewhere.
TO ANYONE WITH OPEN eyes, it must be clear that we are treating these hard-core terrorists
humanely, and that our interrogators -- men and women, military and civilian -- should be
praised, not scorned. Investigation after investigation has showed that there is no torture at
Gitmo. But the outrageous and disgusting characterizations of what we are doing at Gitmo
continue.
On Friday, a New York Times editorial said, "Surely no one can approve turning an American
soldier into a pseUdo-lap-dancer or having another smear fake menstrual blood on an Arab man.
These practices are as degrading to the women as they are to the prisoners. They violate
American moral values -- and they seem pointless....Does anyone in the military believe that a
cold-blooded terrorist who has withstood months of physical and psychological abuse will crack
because a woman runs her fingers through his hair suggestively or watches him disrobe? If
devout Muslims become terrorists because they believe Western civilization is depraved, does it
make sense to try to unnerve them by having Western women b.ehave like trollops?" First they're
all Nazis or Cambodian murderers; now the gals are whores.
I've met a few of these gals, and I can tell you they are smart, tough, and are accomplishing
things other people can't. They aren't "behaving like trollops," but like the dedicated intel
professionals they are. I .- and a lot of people who are, fortunately, in control of what they do··
approve because they are acting within the rules, and producing results. There are no whores at
Gitmo, but there are intellectual whores in Congress and at the Times.
Who should be blamedfor failing to prevent the next terrorist attack? Not the guys and gals of
Gitmo who are working tirelessly, under awfUl conditions and politically correct constraints,
to get information from hard-core terrorists. Every American should be proud ofthem, and
gratefulfor what they're doing to defend us.
There are terrorists here in the United States and, along with many others overseas, they are
planning to kill more Americans in more attacks. What will the intellec~ual whores of the left say
after the next 9-11? Will they say that we were right to forgo interrogation methods that used
sexual taunting and the use of psychotropic drugs? Or will they say that we should have done
more to protect America?
We know what torture is, and we know what.it isn't. Anything else and everything else should be
done, consistently and thoro~ghly, to get ~he information we need. To say we should do less is to
say we must sacrifice American lives that could otherwise be saved.
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Additional Coverage
Scheduled to broadcast were approximately seven radio shows with Jed Babbin; these transcripts
were not immediately available for this report.
Chuck Nash
Fox News - Your World with Neil Cavuto

7/15/2005 1:15:28 AM
Cayuto: Today's guest just got back from Guantanamo bay and says if anything, the prisoners
are treated too well. He joins us right now. What do you make, Chuck, of the attention Gitmo
gets these days? Nash: Unfortunately we have a situation that should not be political that is
being made political. To add more wood on to the proverbial fires that are started here on Capitol
Hill, this in no way should be in the news and the reason is because(this is a very professionally
run organization. It has had more scrutiny than probably, you know, any other military
organization out there. They're doing a fabulous job, and they are, take it from me, they are
getting some tremendous intelligence infonnation out of these guys. I know you're aware, but my
security clearance is still current. And while I was down there, I was given a classified briefing
of what was going on. And just take it from me, that we are gaining tremendous value out of
these prisoners. CaYuto: I know you were there and you know better than ] but there is a
separate report that says there were some cases of abuse there and John McCain, a guy who of
course was in the North Vietnamese prison for seven years of his life says we (as a country) can
do better. What do you say? Nash: Well, I think anything can be improved but When you look
at the way they're being treated down there, there is something in the codes that people talk about
and they say: ....are they given their Geneva convention rights? They are being treated humanly
and although some of the treatment may be uncomfortable, it is not torturous and -..; it is not
illegal. Cavuto: you are saying we should be reminded of the terrors that are real like in
London last week and juxtapose that with what are fairly comfortable conditions in Gitmo.
Nash: This is a war and the next time this country gets hit, god forbid, people will wonder when
do we get tough on these guys? What is going on, the folks in Gitmo are getting the information
they're getting and playing by the rules and it is disastrous for them. The one lever that they
have, if you think about this, we have pretty much published what we can and can't do to
prisoners. The prisoners know that the only leverage that we have remaining on these prisoners is
they don't know when they're going to get out. Do you know when they're going to get out?
When this war is over. Ifwe start talking like some ofthese people up here on the hill about
closing down Gitmo then that just stokes their fire and props them up because they think we
don't have to talk to these guys. Cayuto: Chuck, you were there. Have you seen cases of that
where they're saying, look, we will just go slowly? Nash: There are instances where, after
certain statements are made and it's been reported in the press where folks from the Middle East
are coming back and saying, see, even U.S. Senators and Congressmen are saying these things.
So it is being used against us and you know when you're playing by the rules you have to control
the environment. To control the environment, you have to really be careful about what these
5.
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prisoners can and cannot get access to. Cavuto: There were - I don't know what you know or
what you can comfortably say. I know you had a clearance to go in there so maybe you can't say
much. But one of the reports was the abuse of the Koran, physical abuse or sort of more
embarrassing type abuse for the prisoners there. Any of that true? Nash: There is absolutely
zero truth to charges about the abuse of the Koran. There were instances where Korans may have
been dropped but no instances of guards desecrating the Koran. Every Koran is hanging object a
surgical mask by each prisoner's bed where it's in plain view and everything. There have been
instances where some of the prisoners have desecrated the Koran and what they did was they tore
it up to try to stop up a toilet or they tore it up and threw it out to try to insight the other prisoners
to riot. As far as the abusive stuff, yeah, they had this guy. This guy, turns out he was the 20th
hijacker....Cavuto: Wish we had more time but thank you for putting that in perspective.
Appreciate it. Chuck Nash with the latest on Gitmo.
Jeff McCausland
-Ie WeBS NewsRadio 880

7/15/05
Interview with Jeff McCausland with limited commentary on his recent visit to Gitmo
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Military Analyst Call
Tuesday, July 19, 2005
Briefers: Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs Peter Rodman,
USMC BGen John Allen (principal director, Asian and Pacific Affairs), David Helvey
Hosts: Mr. Bryan Whitman, Mr. Dallas Lawrence
OSD Staff:~ LCDR Greg Hicks
Transcriber: ~
RSVP'd yes:
Colonel (Tim) 1. Eads (USA, Retired)
James Mulvenon (Deputy Dir., Cntr for Intel Research
and Analysis)
John Tkacik (Heritage Foundation)
(tape started in progress)
Mr. Rodman: There are a lot of nuggets in this report, and I think - unfortunately you
don't have it in front of you, but you'll see it on DefenseLink; it'll be posted on the web
sometime this afternoon on DefenseLink. But I think if I can give you on an embargoed
basis some of the nuggets in there it may be of help.
First let me say a couple things about context and the tone. The tone of the report is
deliberately non-alannist. I mean, the Secretary of Defense wanted us to be factual,
descriptive, analytical; so it just lays things out; it doesn't have a lot of alarmist
adjectives. On the other hand, a lot of the stuff in there is, as I'll mention, a lot of it is
worrisome. On the other hand, the point - the report talks about limitations. I mean, there
are a lot of things the Chinese cannot do. They cannot do a full-scale amphibious
invasion - certainly not do it very easily or without gi ving us a lot of strategic warning.
They are not yet able to project power significantly outside, you know, their immediate
periphery. So there is some good discussion of some weaknesses; on the other hand there
are a lot of things in there that are - I think are worrisome.
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Military Analyst Call
Tuesday, July 19, 2005
Briefers: Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs Peter Rodman,
USMC BGen John Allen (principal director, Asian and Pacific Affairs), David Helvey
Hosts: Mr. Bryan Whitman;Mr. Dallas Lawrence
OSD Staff:~ L C D R _
Transcriber: ~
RSVP'd yes:
Lieutenant General Erv Rokke (USAF, Retil'ed)
James Mulvenon (Deputy Oir., Cntr for Intel Research
and Analysis)
John Tkacik (Heritage Foundation)
(tape started in progress)
Mr. Rodman: There are a lot of nuggets in this report, and I think - unfortunately you
don't have it in front of you, but you'll see it on DefenseLink; it'll be posted on the web
sometime this afternoon on DefenseLink. But I think if I can give you on an embargoed
basis some of the nuggets in there it may be o£help.
First let me say a couple things about context and the tone. The tone of the report is
deliberately non-alarmist. I mean, the Secretary of Defense wanted us to be factual,
descriptive, analytical; so it just lays things out; it doesn't have a lot of alarmist
adjectives. On the other hand, a lot of the stuff in there is, as I'll mention, a lot ofit is
worrisome. On the other hand, the point - the report talks about limitations. I mean, there
are a lot of things the Chinese cannot do. They cannot do a full-scale amphibious
invasion - certainly not do it very easily or without giving us a lot of strategic warning.
They are not yet able to project power significantly outside, you know, their immediate
periphery. So there is some good discussion of some weaknesses; on the other hand there
are a lot of things in there that are - I think are worrisome.
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And the context of this - again, the President believes we have a good relationship with
China, a constructive relationship with China in a lot of spheres, and that is the context in
which we write this report. We're not beating the war drum; we're not, you know, saying
China is a threat or not a threat; we're being descriptive. And as I say, that's partly
because that - this is the context of the President's overall policy which we are a part of.
All right, the second aspect of context is interagency clearance. This is a good news story.
This report has been massaged several times in several drafts through the interagency.
The State Department, the NSC staff, the intelligence community have had a good look at
this, various stages. A lot of the rumors out there are wildly off the mark about, you
know, huge brawls in the interagency.
This has been a pretty good process of clearance. The final product - in fact, for several
months or weeks this has been blessed and we've been refining it ourselves for the last
several weeks, and the interagency process has been pretty good. And Secretary Rice
even said this. She was just in China last week and we held the thing for a week so it
wouldn't come out just before or during her trip. But she was totally aware of this. She
even told the press and the Chinese that she endorsed the report. It reflects not only
Pentagon concerns, but the U.S. government's concerns. So this is blessed by the whole
U.8. government, and that's very important. It's an antidote to a lot of these wild stories
of brawls, and it gives even greater weight to the conclusions of the report.
But let me mention a bunch ofthings that I think you'll find interesting, and that 1 find a
little worrisome. One is we've tried to make the point that China's interest - China's
modernization is not just a matter of concern to the United States, it ought to be a concern
to the region. And we say this explicitly. And you might also go back and look at
Secretary Rumsfeld's speech in Singapore, where he talked about this. And in Singapore,
he made a point of say, look this isn't just a U.S. issue, it's not just a U.S.-China matter,
it's, you know, an issue of interest to everybody in the region. The speech that the
Secretary gave on June 4, you can find it on, you know, DefenseLink. But that's a point
we make. So a lot of the report is written, you know, not to say oh, this is U.S.-China
faceoff, but it concerns the region. And there are a couple of maps to show the ranges of
Chinese missiles. And, you know, it shows around the periphery of China and
particularly mobile missiles, which they have an increasing number of, and even the
missiles opposite Taiwan - a lot of them are mobile.
So this is something that we hope the whole region will take note of.
A second point, somewhat related, is it's clear that a lot of Chinese military planning is
geared to Taiwan. But there are also some quotations from Chinese analysts suggesting
that ultimately, their longer-rage objective is beyond Taiwan, and ultimately they do hope
to have a power projection capability beyond just a Taiwan scenario, and a capability that
could down the road affect, you know, the militaries ofother nations.
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So again, this is something we P9int to not exaggerating their present capability but just
noting what they say, and some of the capabilities they're developing to support that and
just giving people a head's up about, you know, their strategy - strategic objectives
beyond Taiwan.
Another point to mention - there's a Deng Xiaoping quote, which we've used in previous
reports; it's called the 24-character maxim. And we've used this in past reports; we report
a little more attention to it this time, and you'll spot it. It's a maxim that goes back to
Dung - the early 90s he used it in a lot of speeches and it is quoted to this day by senior
national security people; it's used in - we thiIik in some of their internal security
documents. I'll read it. It's a maxim that says, "Observe calmly, secure our position, cope
with affairs calmly, hide our capacities and bide our time, be good at maintaining a low
profile, and never claim leadership."
Vou may have heard the phrases in their "hide our capacities and bide our time." We
think this is a pretty good encapsulation of China's long-term strategy. Clearly they try to
downplay the significance of what they're doing now. They act modestly and say, "Oh,
we're not a major power." But they are building up to give themselves options for the
future. And it seems to us a patient, long-term strategy. And that's, as I say, it seems to be
a very apt description of what they're doing. They're building up what they call their
comprehensive national power. There's a cliche out there that they're just building up
their economy; all they care about is their economy. Well, they are building their
economy, but their economy is fueling double-digit increases in their defense budget,
and, which of course funds the modernization that we're describing in detail in the report.
So this is of interest. As I say, it's a public - it's a quotation that they've used a lot and
that we've pointed to, but I think that it deserves some attention.
Their defense budget - just a little nugget - I think the Secretary may have said this in his
Singapore speech. We talk a little bit about the lack of transparency in their defense
budget. We think they're actual defense spending as we measure it is about two or three
times their official figure. We say that in the report. And - yeah, which makes it the
highest in Asia and the third in the world. And even by their own figures they, you know,
they - the double-digit increases every year are in their own figures and we think that
applies.
A couple of other nuggets, at least something that I am struck by. You know, I mentioned
the mobile ICBMs. They have this - the OF-31 is a road mobile, sofid fuel ICBM that we
think is going to come, you know, have an IOC in the next couple years, and that's
discussed in the report. And that's, it seems to me an indicator this is not a Third World
military power. There are some areas in which they are becoming a First World military
power, and this seems to be one example. And the DF-31 is a DF-31 A a longer-range
variant that will come down the pike. But this is a significant system and it, you know,
they have some opposite Taiwan I think and, but, well, I don't know where - I am not
sure where they are but it's a strategic system and they - it's, you know, as I say, it's
going to be deployed in the next few years.
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There's a doctrinal point - they used to use the phrase "local wars under high-tech
conditions," that was their definition of the kind of war they expected tq fight. They've
refined this. They use a new phrase now. It's called "local wars under conditions of
infonnationalization." Local wars under conditions of infonnationalization. It's a kind of
clumsy translation, but they're obviously trying to keep up with the revolution in military
affairs. We don't know too much about what this new phrase means, but that's their
doctrine; that's what they - how they now - that's what they gear their planning to. It's,
you know, one of the new developments we talk about.
There's another point in the report, just mentioned in passing, that a lot of their new
systems are things that we didn't know about. They have a habit recently of rolling out a
new system whose development we were not aware of. This has happened in a few
instances and that's mentioned in the,report. And I think that's worth of note.
And the last thing I'll mention now is - there's a long discussion of European effort to lift
the anns embargo, the EU anns embargo, on China. This has been a big preoccupation of
my office and in fact of the whole U.S. government, trying to fight this and discourage
the Europeans from lifting the arms embargo. And we have achieved at least a temporary
success.
But in this report, we spent some time explaining why this is - why this is of concern and
what we are worried about. You know, we think the Chinese would be able to obtain in
Europe a lot of military or dual-use teclmologies that would be of great qualitative benefit
to them, and you know, again, I think we've mentioned it in the past but this time we
spend a little more time on this, you know, explaining why we object to European sales
of technology.
Lastly there's a point - again, this is another point I don't want to forget - I think we've
said this in previous reports - that the balance of power is shifting in the Taiwan Strait.
That's the trend. I know we've said this before, but we have to say it again. The balance
of power in the Taiwan Strait is shifting in Beijing's favor because ofthis, you know,
modernization, and because of Taiwan's, you know, so f;;rr inability to keep up their
defense spending.
Taiwan's defense spending has been declining while Beijing's has been going up. And
this is not a - I mean the trend is disturbing and we call attention to that. There is, as you
know, a special budget - what is it -- $15 billion or so? Fifteen, sixteen billion that is
before the Taiwan legislature t,hat would purchase some important systems, but there's,
but there's some - as I say, in our report, there's a theme that, you know, if the
Taiwanese don't, you know, take on greater responsibility and show, you know, enough
discipline or commitment on their ovm that it's going to make things harder. And we're
not jumping to conclusions about how a conflict would come out but we're pointing to a
disturbing trend in the Taiwan Strait. And it's important that Taiwan be able - you know,
be difficult to defeat. We all know that, you know, our possible intervention is a factor
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here, maybe decisive. But (we?) think a part of the balance ought to be carried by
Taiwan, and that's a disturbing, and that's a disturbing trend in that respect.
Anyway, let me stop there. These are little nuggets I think you might find of interest.
There's a lot of other stuff in there. A lot of good, useful information I think. And let me
stop there. I am happy to answer some questions.
Mr. McCausland: This is Jeff McCausland. Two quick questions. One, is there any
suggestion of the Chinese being involved (x?) proliferation activities, particularly
Pakistan and their weapons development. And s~cond of all, you mention quite rightfully
that this is a regional threat at least for the moment. Can you give us any insight in
discussions with our Japanese allies, perhaps the Russians, or even the recent discussions
we had with the Indians how they perceive this change in China's military power? And a
big hi to John Allen.
BG Allen: Hey sir; how are you?
Mr. McCausland: Good.
Mr. Rodman: The first point about proliferation. We don't spend a lot of time on it in this
report; there are other I think - other publications we do on Chinese proliferation
activities, and I've done some testimony on this myself. So that's not what this report is
about. Second, on the regional threat, we don't characterize what other governments are
thinking; that's for them to say, I gu.ess on background, well this whole discussion's on
background, but I do know we, we certainly have conversations with a lot of these
countries on this subject. And, you know, the Japanese - you may remember the U.S.
Japanese joint statement of a few months ago; it was a ministerial meeting here and there
was a joint statement in which both sides mentioned the Taiwan issue as a matter of a
common strategic objective or common - I think that was the phrase. There's no - and
the Japanese defense white papers speak quite explicitly about the Chinese missile threat
and so forth. I can teU you it does come up in discussions with the Indians, with the
Vietnamese •• the Vietnamese prime minister was here a few weeks ago - with Southeast
Asian countries. And Secretary Rumsfeld was in Singapore in June for this multi-lateral
conference of defense ministers and he mentioned this in his speech, precisely to make
that point. And they say the feedback he got from just about everybody was -- you know,
they view this with the same concern, and none of us - but the bottom line is, nobody
wants to prejudge what this means, or nobody's saying the conflict is inevitable, and
there's a tendency'in most of the region to, you know, hope for some constructive
evolution, but I think we are - and that's our view, as well. But I think we've done
something constructive here if we've added some realism into the discussion because I
think you have to face this reality.
Mr. McCausland: Thank you.
Mr. Rodman: The Russians, I don't know. You mentioned the Russians. I think we have.
started to put this on the agenda with the Russians. They are overwhelmingly the biggest
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arms supplier and selling the most dangerous sytems. And I know this - and there's a
debate within Russia for years about whether this is smart from the Russian point of
view. But that's something we haven't made a lot of headway. We've made headway
with the ED; we've made headway with the Israelis in, you know, trying to constrain or
shut down some of this trade. But with the Russians, that's a big problem.
Mr. Maginnis: Mr. Rodman, Bob Maginnis. A two-part question. One on the Blue Sea
Navy (?) and whether or not their submarine 'force is not only becoming larger, but far
more sophisticated. And then secondly, Global Security sent out something recently with ,
some pictures of an old Soviet aircraft carrier. Is fact is it going to be a casino as they
suggest perhaps, or is it going to be used?
Mr. Rodman: The Blue Sea, well the submarines - yeah, there's a lot of discussion of
that. I think we know that that's a threat - the Chinese are developing this capability with
not just the kilos (?) from Russia but their own indigenous production. I mean, there are
limitations - there are a lot of capabilities they don't have yet. We think our Navy, you
know, out matches anybody else. But they're - they're developing this and there's a lot
ofdiscussion of that. General Allen wants to
BG Allen: John Allen. We watch the submarines pretty closely; the combination of what
they're doing with their Song class submarines, their type 98 nuclear attack boat - 93,
sorry - that's coming out; the new Youn class submarine which is, by the way, a
submarine that we didn't know existed until it was rolled out. Those are some fairly
sophisticated systems. So obviously we're watching the roughly five concurrent
submarine programs, to include the kilo purchase and a new ballistic missile submarine,
we're watching those very closely. We can't get inside them, but we suspect there is
some fairly significant technological improvement over some of the older class subs that
they have.
Voice (Mr. Rodman?): The carrier, what do we think about the carrier? I don't think ...
BG Allen: We haven't decided yet what's going to happen to the carrier. It would be a
hell of a good casino (laughter) if they developed that capability, but they may be
developing it just to test some future capacity for building a carrier or for naval aviation,
or they could be restoring it, although it's in really in pretty bad shape. So I think the
jury's still out within the intelligence community on where this thing is going to go. But
that's a good question. Because pursuit of a carrier is a very clear indicator of some naval
aspirations and national aspirations simply for - beyond the current configuration; it's
going to be a sea-controlled navy if we start seeing carrier being built.
Mr. Lawrence: Next question?
Mr. Allard: Yeah, Ken Allard. Have you guys seen any indications - and I am fascinated
by the references to informational conditions because I have been an avid fan of their
stuff ever since I read that white paper on unrestricted warfare that came out back in the
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late 90s. Have you seen any indications that that is anything more to them than pure
doctrinal speculation? Although they appear to take that very seriously.
Mr. Rodman: Well, I'll ask General Allen to pitch in. But I think they clearly see this as
the definition of modern warfare. They analyze closely everything we do; everytime
we're involved in a campaign there's a spate of articles analyzing it. Sometimes they put
themselves in the shoes of our opponent; sometimes they try to see what can we emulate
that the Americans have done. You know, they have a long way to go in, you know
C4ISR and integration of things, but I think they are clearly interested in that and see how
- that's the way to go. I don't know what - and we see them doing a lot ofR&D(,?) anti
satellite capabilities - clearly, computer network operations of different kinds; and there's
definitely some discussion of that in this report.
Voice (BG Allen?): If you have a chance to look at it - the 2004 Chinese - the PRC
defense white paper uses this term for the first time -local wars under the conditions of
'inforrnationalization. And as Assistant Secretary Rodman says correctly, we're not
entirely sure what that means. We know they have followed very closely the
improvements and sophistication of our command and control capabilities, the
improvements in our ISR, both in terms of enhancing command and control and
targeting, and in particular, they have followed the augmentation by space of our
command and control - C4ISR capacity in war.
!fyou -- one of the folks that we actually quote in the report is General Jiany Guang-kai
who I would assume is known to some of you. He has written on this issue - I hope I am
not tainting my source immediately by mentioning his name, but I think he is emblematic
of the interest in the revolution of military affairs, the advent of knowledge-based
warfare, the improvement in space-based ISR and command and control support to
operations, and some of the quotes we offer in the report provide indications of how
much the Chinese are interested in this, and the fact that they would employ this as a new
doctrinal term would seem to indicate that they're headed offin this direction.
Mr. McInerney: Tom McInerney for either the general or Peter. What do you say about
the recent pronouncement by the major general about using nuclear weapons and hitting
our cities in the event of a Taiwanese event?
Mr. Rodman: Well, it's not in the report but you're right to ask. You know - a couple of
things can be said. Now, the Chinese government has repudiated his remarks; they've
said that there's no change, that he's speaking for himself, that they stick to their, you
know, previous policy on Taiwan and no first use.
On the other hand, I think we're entitled to draw some conclusions. I mean, it is clear that
some people in the Chinese establishment are not so comfortable with no first use, and
might be advocating some reevaluation of that. It also just highlights the risk of Chinese
miscalculation. There's another theme in the report I think in various places, where
(we're?) at the risk the Chinese might miscalculate (inaudible) in a crisis, or that just any .
crisis involved (involves?) an inherent risk of things happening in ways that the sides
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don't expect. So I think it's something that we have to pay attention to. It shows
reminds us of risks of escalation in a crisis, but I hope the Chinese, you know, are
thinking of the same thing - the risk to them of any use of force. You know they may
have in mind, for example, limited use of force, or coercive steps against Taiwan that,
you know, they may think are, you know, are not all out war, but others who are the
target of them may interpret them differently, So -- it's another element. I mean, the risk
of miscalculation is something serious and it imposes a responsibility on us to deter
unambiguously in my view.
Voice (Mr. McInerney?): Does it, does it suggest that perhaps there are elements in the
Army that even the political apparatus doesn't feel they can control?
Mr. Rodman: No. It may - I think they are a disciplined anny but, you know, and policy,
you know - as far as we know, their policyrnaking apparatus is disciplined. But, I mean,
this fellow is somewhat outside the policymaking chain; he's in an academic setting; he
has a reputation for popping off a lot. So I am not sure how authoritative - I mean, J
wouldn't assume he is speaking authoritatively, but it obviously affects the view of some
people in the military establishment. Dave, my colleague David Helvey who helped in
the report - if you want to add something.
Mr. Helvey: Well, I think as the Assistant Secretary said, there's some discipline; there's
a good degree of discipline in China's, you know, civil military apparatus and decision
making on the use of force. Now (and?) I would draw a clear distinction between this
individual who is a military academic, and somebody that would actually be responsible
for maintaining the chain of command for nuclear weapons use.
BG Allen: But I think you asked a central question. Is this indicative of whether there is
in fact complete control over the military? And to me, the statement, while ludicrous, I
was watching more the Chinese leadership reaction to the statement than I was General
Zhu Chengu's comment in particular. And I frankly wasn't impressed by the Chinese
by the strength of their disavowal of that comment. One of the points we make in the, in
tne report is that this report attempts to identify the capabilities of the Chinese military,
and its modernization, and the potential capacity of those capabilities in the future. What
we say of course, the old intelligence equation which is threat equals capabilities plus
intentions, in the report is we don't know the Chinese intentions and we seek to ferret
those out in so many different ways. When we have a general who is a very senior leader
in the National Defense University talking in those terms and receives only a velvet glove
in return, then that may be an indication of an intention. So we've got to watch this sort
of thing very closely.
Mr. Lawrence: We probably have time for two more questions.
Mr. Allard: Yeah, Ken Allard again. On the cross straits problem. Did you look at all at
asymmetric capabilities that are often left out of the traditional calculus as to how would
they do it if they chose to do it?
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Mr. Rodman: That is something we definitely looked at and there's some discussion here
of different scenarios, you know, not only a full-scale amphibious invasion; there are a lot
of coercive options which we think the Chinese are looking at that are more complicated
from our point of view, precisely because they, you know, have asymmetric elements.
David, do you want - John Allen?
Mr. Helvey: One of the things that we do talk about - you mention the asymmetric
capabilities - we talk about it within the context of anti-access, although I want to preface
that remark that compared to the United States military just about anything would be
asymmetric. But when we talk about anti-access, we look at some of the programs and
systems that China is trying to develop, many of which fall under this tenn of assassins
mace types weapons systems, which in the Chinese context are programs and capabilities
designed to generate turning points in battle. So we look at some of the new submarines,
anti-ship cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, as well as - for example, some longer-range
ballistic missiles that China might be looking at for an anti-access mission. So we do, we
do address asymmetry quite a bit in this report.
Voice: Do you think you've got a (inaudible).
Voice: Yes, sir?
Voice: Yeah, those of use who are going to be queried by the media are going to
undoubtedly be asked, well, how does one account if one possible can for the alleged
delay in the report, and I'm not necessarily convinced there was any big delay, but that
story is out there. How would one address something like that?
Mr. Rodman: Well, I would say ...
Voice: ...words put in my mouth,
Mr. Rodman: No, no, no. I appreciate your...
Voice: But this is something that people won't get off of.
Mr. Rodman.: Well, I appreciate your asking, because obviously this will be asked. The
report is a little bit late. A lot of it is just the clearance process. It takes time; we have the
State Department, the NSC, the intelligence community. We did a draft; it went through
this process, then Secretary Rumsfeld saw it and he had his own contributions to it - I
mean, it's his report, so he was entitled make suggestions of different kinds, so we had to,
you know, go back again. The last few weeks part of it was, as I mentioned, Secretary
Rice was in China and we o~selves had the wit to mention this to her and to say, look,
we don't want this to corne out just before you're there or while you're there, we'll wait
til your back, and she agreed with that completely.
Voice: That's very helpful, thank you. It certainly comports with what my instincts were
on what's going on. Thank you.
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Mr. Rodman: 'I mean, you aU know how the bureaucracy works ...
Voice: Absolutely.
Mr. Rodman: And this was just, you know, bureaucratic stuff and nothing melodramatic.
Mr. Nash: One last thing, if I could. This is Chuck Nash. When you brought up that there
were several systems that you did not know existed, that sort of, you know, runs back to
the words intelligence failure, or whatever, when you hear those kind of things, so you
might want to think about how you describe that when you put that out.
Mr. Rodman: Well, you're right. I m~an, it's one sentence in the report, and we're
obviously....
Mr. Nash: I know, but it's a, it's a, yeah.
Mr, Rodman: No, but deliberately, we're not trying to advertise this overly, and give the
Chinese too much satisfaction, and it -- but it's something that's just a fact that we
thought we ought to mention. And it's something we have to consider when we make
assessments. And there's - there is a discussion in there about the lack of transparency; I
mean, this is a theme of the report, they don't - you know, there's not transparency in
their defense budget as I mentioned already, and there's just lack of transparency on a lot
of things and plus, you know, a lot of traditional Chinese state craft keeping things secret,
but there's a little - no, you can read into that sentence what you want and I think you're
correct to see some of the implications of it.
Mr. Nash: Well it also ...
Mr. Rodman: (crosstalk) the uncertainty about what they're up to and what they're
strategy is and maybe we have to be conservative given that - the recent experience of
finding out that they're doing more than we expected.
Mr, Lawrence: Gentlemen, that's all we...
Mr. Nash: It also (inaudible) the question of what were those systems that we didn't
know about? You mentioned the SUbmarine.
Mr. Rodman: Well, the submarine is one of the dramatic examples. I think maybe we
don't want to say too much in a public document about other things, but, the V-on (sp)
submarine is one.
.Voice: One last quick question. Can you review real quick - I assume the testimony is
with what, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee or Senate Anned Services, who
exactly is testifying? Mr. Rodman, are you testifying? Is General Allen testifying?
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Mr. Rodman: Well, it's a briefing. It's Anned Services Committee in both places. It's a
closed briefing doing first the HASC - the House Anned Services Committee in the early
afternoon and then the Senate Anned Services Committee later, and it's staff and
Members, so it's not a public hearing. It might well be - they may try to get us up there
for a public hearing, you know, some later'date. but that's not on today's agenda.
Voice: And you'll be doing the briefing sir?
Mr. Rodman: Probably I think they'll try to invite me; there's nothing scheduled at this
point.
Mr. Lawrence: Gentlemen, thank you very much for calling in today. Just to recap, this is
. on background, anybody quoted should be quoted as a senior Defense Department
official, and returning to Mr. Whitman's comments, this is embargoed until either after
the briefing, or you're hearing it on TV, and as we all know, after the first House
briefing, I am sure it will start to come out (laughter).
Once the report is available, we"-~ill email it to all of you. In addition, we'll get some of
those quotes out to you that were from, that Secretary quoted during his briefing.
Mr. Rodman: My whole, no, I think that, I don't, I'm calling those things to your
attention on a background basis, because I say we're trying to, we're portraying the report
as very balanced. and it has strengths and weaknesses. But [think you guys would
appreciate some of these nuggets, and I think, you know, you should, you know, discover
them for yourself, but I think, you know, I thought you',d welcome, you know, some
pointers to what some of these interesting things are.
Mr. Lawrence: Thank you very much gentlemen.
Voices: Thank you.
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b)(6)
From: . tmmi elV, OASD·PA
Sent: Monday. July 18,20056:07 PM
To: Ruff.. Eric, SES, OASD-PA
SubJect: RE: Gitmo request
no, that was the one with the detail on taking the vietnam pow's .....
From: Ruff. Eric, SES, OASD-PA
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 6:06 PM
To: fU"m crv, OASD- PA
Subject: RE: Gitmo request
oh , i thought there was one with greater detail.
From: ~ crv, OASD-PA
Sent: ~ ~ 18, ~005 6:03 PM
it's at the bottom of this one :)
From: Ruff, Eric; SES, OASD-PA
To: ij5Wa crY, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: Gitmo reQuest
okay, can you please forward it to me, though, before the meeting. thanks
From: M5'M Cry, OASD-PA
found the email. will bring it to our am meeting tomorrow.
thanks
mml
From: Ruff, Eric, 8ES, OASD-PA
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 8:4~ PM
To; fli8fi;::S crv, OASD- PA
Cc: MMIR crv, OSD
Subject: Re: Gitmo request
Let's talk in the am. I think it's worth considering. Thanks.

From: , • crv, OASD-PA ~
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA <Eric.Ruff@~
Sent: Thu Jul.l4 18:52:31 2005
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Subject: Gitmo request
er
passi~g this one along to you. is this something we can work?
thanks
mIt
Hi,mmD
I asked Dallas about OSD/PA support (in the form of permissive travel, permission to stay
at GITMO, permission to interview people there) in order to do a book about the facility,
the detainees, the troops, and the future. Paul Vallely will collaborate with me on it. We
need your office clearance before attempting the project. I know he and you are busy but
if you could let me know if he is at least working the problem it would be helpful.
Thanks.
All the best,

Gordon Cucullu
NY TIMES 7337
(b)(6)
From: JedBabbin~
Sent: Monday, JUlr~ 8, 20054:22 PM
To: MM5 IV, OASD-PA
Subject: Re: USN&WR
T: Thanks. I now have something with Jay Hood, which is even better. mIG]worked that for us. (Didn't know,
but had mentioned to Eric, and he's obviously ahead of the power curve.)
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
NY TIMES 7338
(b)(6)
From: ~CIV, OASD-PA
To: ,JedBabbin@fl5T1ilW
SUbject: RE: USN&WR
jed,
mTmlline i
Wi
-----Qrigina I Message----
sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 3:51 PM
To: 'JedBabbin~
Cc:rOOl5 av, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: USN&WR
i'd work it throughrmmland I t c d r ' - starting with • • has been out on vacation but
is back now. thanks, eric -
From: JedBabbln@fU"mW [mallto:JedBabbin~
sent: Monday Jul 18,20051:28 PM

To: Eric.Rufti • •
ce.••
Subject: Re: USN&WR
Eric: Thanks. I'm doing as much as possible. Hope you liked the TAS column today. Don't have.
rBmset yet, but will soon. Would still like to ge Shall I follow up with his office? Best,
Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
NY TIMES 7339
(b)(6)

SUbject: FW: JTF GTMO - Radio Interview Request with Jed Babbin on KOGO (San Diego) -...
FYI
From: JedBabbin<OOMli\W [mailto:JedBabbin~
Sent: Monday, July 18, 20053:13 PM
To:fjMM
Cc: • • ; Bryan.Whltman@timmt (b)(6) (b)(6)
Subject: Re: JTF GTMO - Radio Interview Request with Jed Babbin on KOGO (San Diego) ....
Flex: I'll make it happen; pIs let me know wherelhow to call, or 1can get you the call-in stuff. Many, many
thanks to all. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
NY TIMES 7340
(b)(6)
From: . Whitman, Bryan, 5ES. OASD-PA

Sent: Monday, July 18. 2005 1:46 PM
To: Ruff, Eric, 5E5. OA5D-PA
SUbject: FW: JTF GTMO • Radio Interview Request with Jed Babbin on KOGO (5 an Diego) - July 22
FYI -- Hood is on with Bobbin
"."\' From:, • COL (L) [mailtog,rc;]

•• • • • • • • • • • •
Sent: Mon~ly
18, 2005 1:21 PM
To: r'5f~ LtCdr, OASD-PA';. • COL (L)
CC:fImM
OASD-PA; • •
• LTC
• HQDA DCSMaj, OASD-PA; rmtl5 , Lt Col, OA~D~-~PA~;~fj~ft~ttidi]j;'iia~'
G-3/5/7; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PAi fUtiM
PT
CAi '
COL (L)j
NMlri LCDR (L); • • LTC (L); • • Lt Col (L); NftTlij i (L);
• (L); L);. MAJ (L); IfFGTMO-PAO
Subject: RE: IfF GTMO - Radio Interview Request with Jed Babbin on KOGO (5 an Diego) - July 22
BG Hood is available Friday and willing to do a radio phone interview. He would prefer to do the interview 1300-1330
timeframe. His calendar is full that afternoon with events that cannot be changed.
Pis confirm if the time change will still meet your needs. Thanks.
COL Bmd K Blacbner

DIrector 01 Public AHalrs
Joint TOlk FDrce tiuantonamo
OuanftlnamD Bay, Cuba
blacbnerb~rnm~lliLdill• • • • •
(b)(2)
----·Orlginal Message----
From: . LtCdr, OASD-PA [maHto: (b)(6)
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 8:12 AM
To: fUtim
Cc: fJi!!WM d 2) 2 £I;. • Maj, OASD-PA; • • Lt Col, OASD-PA~;~fj~5~h~a!~~~ CAPT,
OASD-PA; N5fM LTC HQDA DCS G-3/5/7; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; COL fli]fuj ; LCDR
fi51Ri ,LTcrl3fld LTC • • ;N5fMWIJ5h_ Maj.""; PAO
SUbject: JTF GTMO - Radio Interview Request with Jed Babbin on KOGO (San 0 iego) - July 22
Colonel rimtB
Could you please check BGEN Hood's availabilitylwillingness to do a radio phone interview Friday, July 22 for
approximately 20 minutes sometime between 3-6 ET? . .
As you may know, Mr. Babbin is one of our military analysts and would be willing to discuss just about any aspect of
the JTF that BGEN Hood would like.
NY TIMES 7341
KOGO-radio reaches a large Navy and Marine Corps audience, so any information/update BGEN Hood could provide
on how the Navy guards are doing would be well-received, along with a reminder, perhaps, that Marines are the ones
who initially built the first detention facilities with only days notice.
Very respectfully,
tmfl5
Lieutenant Commander, U.S. Navy
Western Hemisphere Press Officer
Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense (Public Affairs)
Tel: • Fax: ~.Mfn •••
k8lE-mail: ria\lkC or ~
www.dod.mil
····-original Message·-···
sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 6:42 AM
To: fj5Wd Maj, OASD·PA;fI"'ldlR'ltl-(q!:l_- LtCdr, OASD-PA
ee: rJKtld i CIV,OSD·POLIcy;fj5lM CAPT, OASD-PA; ~ CIV, OASD-PA; tll'l![d!l'lirl!liJ--- CIV, OASD·PA;
-'COL(L)'
Subject: Jed Babbin Interview Request
Jed Babbin is substituting for Mark Larson on KOGO, San Diego, next Friday, 22 July. The show airs 3-6
EDT.
He is asking if BG Jay Hood or • • might be available for an interview. As you probably know
Jed is very friendly and supportive.
_ancDftTlilplease take for action and keep me updated.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
NY TIMES 7342
(b)(6)
From: JedBabbin@ti5tlail
To: RU1\EriC; SES, OASD-PA
Cc: riM. ; : CIV, OASD-PA
SUbject: Re: USN&WR
Eric: Thanks. I'm doing as much as possible. ~ liked the TAS column today. Don't have" set
yet, but will soon. Would still like to get M a t _ Shall I follow up with his office? Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
NY TIMES 7343
From:' , • •
------
CIV OASD-PA
To: rmtlii CIV OASD-PA
Subject: Babbin
This weeks Spectator (Jed Babbin)
(b)(6)
Researcher
GSD Writers Groll Room •
Telephone: •
Fax: •
NY TIMES 7344
(b)(6)
From: . JedBabbin~
Sent: Monday, JUa 2005 7:29 AM
To: tmcinerney ~ ~e @.1.blL6.J nashct@ilmm= Glenstrae77
@U\fS_BURM41516 • • ; b 6 I CIV, OASD-PA; WSSlnter@{ti·dlWlt~'="b·;
roberttiscales@fJ!ttki
SUbject: Today's Spectator
At Gitmo last week, I saw some of our best dealing with some of the world's worst.
.• : .• I •
(home fax)
(mobile)
NY TIMES 7345
(b)(6)
From: JedBabbin@U,thi_
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 200512:33 PM
Ce: MMlri CIV. OASD-PA
SUbject: USN&WR
This is Monday's Washington Whispers column.
USNews.com: Washington Whispers (7/25/05)
He got one thing wrong: I told him we were told about the medical care, not that we saw anyone getting care.
We didn/t
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
NY TIMES 7346
b)(6)
From: .
JedBabbin@U\tmW
Sent:
Friday, July 15, 20054:51 PM
To:
Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
SUbject:
Re: Mark Larson· KOGO,
Will do; thanks.
Jed Babbin
.(home fax)
(mobile)
NY TIMES 7347
(b)(6)

Sent: Friday, July 15,20054:50 PM
SUbject: Re:Mark Larson - KOGO,
We can work it, but I hope you are getting a cut of Babbins action as his agent.
From: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA <Eric.Ruff@M~n;
To: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA <Bryan.Whitman@~OI
Sent: Fri Jul 15 16:43:34 2005
Subject: FW: Mark Larson - KOGO,
hey, beach boy, i have replied that waxman will be easier to get. do you want to forward
to rR\TliI or riMa thanks, eric - - - - -original Message- - - -
From: JedBabbin@Mfifni [mailto:JedBabbin~
Sent: Friday, July IS, 2005 4:34 PM
To: eric.ruff@ij5mhi
cc: a •
Subject: Mark Larson - KOGO,
NEWSRADIO 600 KOGO
Eric: I'm going to sub for Mark Larson on KOGO, San Diego, next Friday, 22 July. The
show airs 3-6 EDT.
Is there a way I can get Gen. Jay Hood or (b)(6) ? Please let me know. Have a great
weekend. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
10
NY TIMES 7348
-=-------------
From: JedBabbin@flA"'tim_
Sent: Friday, July 15, 20054:34 PM
Cc: MmGi elV, OASD·PA
SUbJect: Mark Larson - KOGO,
NEWSRADIO 600 KOGO
Eric: I'm going to sub for Mark Larson on KOGO, San Diego, next Friday, 22 July·. The show airs 3-6 EDT.
Is there a way I can get Gen. Jay Hood or (b)(6) ? Please let me know. Have a great weekend. Best,
Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
11
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From: [liM
==-----------
::IV, OASD-PA
Sent:
To: rr:'j' JU1X,1,SIIj'

SJ 32.o.o5.9.:4.7.AIIIM
• •", '''mrrm• • • • • • • •
til
Cc: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD·PA
Subject: FW: follow up on gitmo trip
gentlemen,
please see the request below from one of the military analysts who was on the tuesday trip. would
you please forward me what you have?
thanks
mJ
From: [mailto: (b)(6)
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 8:39 PM
To ••
Subject: Re: Affiliations
HellommD- Right now I'm working on a major piece for Human Events but expect to writing about
the tour elsewhere and on several radio talk shows. I'll keep you posted. But, I need some follow-up
materials I requested in Gitmo and was told the PAO could furnish. First, a complete list of all who
have toured the facilities/when. 11m primarily interested in press/media. Also, if available, clips of
those stories/reports. Thanks. ~
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From:
Sent:
• •
------------
IV, OASD·PA
Thursday, July 14, 20056:53 PM
SUbject: Gitmo request
er
passing this one along to you. is this something we can work?
thanks
EZ
-----Original Message·---
From: Gordon Cucullu [mallto:colonelgordon~
setmli~rsdal'
To:. •
JU'1 14'I 2005 6:04 PM
Subject: RE: Affiliations
Hi,mmJ
I asked Dallas about OSD/PA support (in the form of permissive travel, permission to stay at GITMO,
permission to interview people there) in order to do a book about the facility, the detainees, the
troops, and the future. Paul Vallely will collaborate with me on it. We need your office clearance
before attempting the project. I know he and you are busy but if you could let me know if he is at least
working the problem it would be helpful. Thanks.
All the best,
Gordon Cucullu
13
NY TIMES 7351
(b)(6)
From: JedBabbin@l!OiAW
Sent: ThU~ 14, 2005 ·1 :38 PM
To: tlIifl
Cc: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; M5TGi elV, OASD-PA
SubJect: Re: interview with the female ph.d.
Many thanks. Standing by. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
14
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(b)(6)
From: • • COL (L) (b)(6)
Sent: !hursday! JU~, 20,05 1:19 PM
To: JedBabbln~; • •
COL (l)
Cc: Ruff, Eric. SES, OASD·PA; rlMGi CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: interview with the female ph.d.
Mr. Babbin,
I am in the process of coordinating an interview for you. I have emailed your request and are
awaiting for reply on how we can best accommodate you. I will let you know as soon as I hear.
Thanks!
COL Brad K Blacllner

Director of Public ANal"
Joint Talb FONe Guanftmamo
Guantanamo Bay, Cuba
blacbnerbb (b)(6)
OtlJU\wJ
From: JedBabbin@i5W_ [mailto:JedBabbin~
Sent: Thur.SdaY:--'JUI
14·20051:20 PM
To: blacknerbk • •
Cc: eric.ruff@fj5tMt • •
Subject: Interview with the female ph.d.
Dear Col. Blackner: At Eric Ruffs suggestion, I'm contacting you directly to request a phone interview asap
(lasting no more than 15-20 mins) with the lady in question. I met her while at Gitmo Tuesday, and was
enormously impressed. I understand, and agree, to not use her name or voice in any way.
By way ofintroduction, I enclose my bio. I make this request in my status as a contributing editor of The
American Spectator magazine. You can read my weekly colwnns there at www.spectator.org.
I want "mom" to talk about some of the things we discussed while there: how detainees react differently to
different people, the need for patience in the interviews, how dedicated to terrorism and violence these
people are, that many have said that when released they will go back to terrorism, that they believe we will
release them and they can wait us out, and so forth. And anything else she thinks should be understood by
the public.
I will, from this interview, write a feature article for The American Spectator Magazine that will appear in
September. My deadline (as nuts as it is) is 17 July. Please let me know as soon as you can if and when we
can do this. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
i1mlftn~B~• • • (home office)
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(b)(2) (home fax)
(mobile)
16
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(b)(6)
From: . tjmGii ; CIV, OASD-PA
SUbJect: FW: Affiliations
don't feel comfortable giving it to him unless you say it's ok. if not, j'll have jed email you and col.
blackner the thank you note to pass along to gen. hood. but, if you say it's ok, i'll give it to him.
•
thanks
From: JedBabbin@fb1tleil [mailto:JedBabbin@flbfl5W
Sen~20051:20 PM
To:~
Subject: Re: Affiliations
BTW, may I get Gen. Hood's e-mail? I'll be good, just want to send him a thank you note.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
17
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(b)(6)
From: JedBabbin@l5flAW
Sent: Thursday, ~ 14, 20051:20 PM
To: blacknerbk i1)(E))
Cc: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD·PA; ~:mri elV, OASD·PA
Subject: interview with the female ph.d.
Attachments: jlbjournres.doc
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Jlbjournres.doc (21
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Dear Col. Blackner: At Eric Ruffs suggestion, I'm contacting you directly to request a phone
interview asap (lasting no more than 15-20 mins) with the lady in question. I met her while at Gitmo Tuesday,
and was enormously impressed. I understand, and agree, to not use her name or voice in any way.
By way of introduction, I enclose my bio, I make this request in my status as a contributing editor of The
American Spectator magazine. You can read my weekly columns there at www.spectator.org.
I want "mom" to talk about some of the things we discussed while there: how detainees react differently to
different people, the need for patience in the interviews, how dedicated to terrorism and violence these people
are, that many have said that when released they will go back to terrorism, that they believe we will release them
and they can wait us out, and so forth. And anything else she thinks should be understood by the public.
I will, from this interview, write a feature article for The American Spectator Magazine that will appear in
September. My deadline (as nuts as it is) is 17 July. Please let me know as soon as you can if and when we can
do this. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
18
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(b)(6)
From: . • • OASD-PA
To: Di Rita, Lar~, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES 0ASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES,
9
=-PA~;~SD-PA;I~L~~:=~PA;.-fIV, ?AS~:~~~=PA:
(dfm CIV, OASD-PA:rlntiil CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: Craddock military analyst transcript attached
Attachments: 07-13-05 Craddock, Schmidt, Furlow GTMO FBl.doc
Attached is the transcript from the military analyst call yesterday with Craddock, Schmidt and Furlow.
)7-13-05 Craddock,
Schmidt, Fu...
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(b)(6)
From: . JedBabbin@'j5fld
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 20057:57 AM
Cc: MMGi CIV, OASD-PA
SUbject: Feedback
There will be a good item in next week's US News & World Report (Washington Whispers column) about
Gitmo and the detainees' food.
Did 7 radio hits on Gitmo yesterday, more coming today.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
20
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Jed L. Babbin
Europe are Worse than You Think" (Regnery 2004). He is a fonner Air Force officer
who served as a deputy undersecretary in the first Bush administration (1990-1991).
Mr. Babbin writes regularly for National Review Online and for the American Spectator
Magazine. His weekly column, "Loose Canons", appears in The American Spectator
Online. Mr. Babbin's expertise is in national security and foreign affairs. However, he
also writes about legal matters and for The American Spectator's "Saloon" series on
subjects such as single barrel bourbon and fine cigars. He also wrote the military
adventure novel, Legacy a/Valor. (Pentland Press, 2000).
Mr. Babbin is a military analyst and appears frequently on the Fox News Channel and
MSNBC, on shows such as "The O'Reilly Factor", "Hardball with Chris Matthews",
For about four years, Babbin served as designated guest host of Oliver North's "Common
Sense Radio" when Col. North was unavailable. During the Iraq military campaign in
subbed for Laura Ingraham and Greg Garrison, and now often serves as guest host on
several shows for WMET AM 1160 Talk Radio in Washington, DC.
Mr. Babbin is a graduate of Stevens Institute of Technology (B.E. 1970), Cumberland

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Military Analysts Conference Call

Wednesday, July 13,2005, Room 2E572 The Pentagon
Briefers: Gen. Bantz John Craddock, Lt. Gen. Randall Mark Schmidt, BG Gen. John T.
Furlow
Subject: FBI allegations of abuse at GTMO
ON BACKGROUND
Ms.' Barber: Hi, it's Allison Barber, Department of Defense. Thank you for joining us
today for the call. We're going to open it up with General Craddock who will make some
opening remarks, and then General Schmidt will give us a briefing on the findings. And
then we'll turn it back over to General Craddock to talk about the results of that and our
actions and then we'll open it up for questions.
Just as a reminder, this is on background. We're also joined by General Furlow. We'll be
,happy to take your calls after we go through the opening remarks. So with that, General
Craddock, thank you for joining us today.
Craddock: Thank you Allison. I appreciate it. I am going to give you a truncated version
of what we used this morning in the SASC (Senate Anned Services Committee) hearing,
with a little background, and I'll tum it over to Mark Schmidt, and he'll talk about his
findings. recommendations, and I'll close with my decision on those recommendations.
The allegations in the FBI emails came to light as a result of a FOIA request last year,
late in the year. After review of the emails, following their release - I believe it was in
December - I detennined that the allegations merited a detailed examination in order to
establish the truth, and ascertain what, ifany, actions needed to be taken.
So I ordered a 15-6, Army Regulation 15-6 investigation, and appointed Brigadier

General John Furlow, who is the deputy commander for U.S. Anny South, my
component command for the Anny, as the investigating officer. I told John to address
eight allegations that were drawn from the FBI emails. J will not articulate each of them.
Jfthere's questions later on, J can do that.
Subsequent to that initial appointment of Furlow, I directed John to investigate two

additional allegations that came up and were brought to light. One concerned a female
military interrogator allegedly performing a lap dance on a detainee. Second was the use
of red ink as fake menstrual blood during an interrogation.
Now those allegations came from a separate document. In my instructions to John

Furlow, I did not limit him to just those allegations. J gave him the flexibility to bring
into his investigation any additional allegations of detainee abuse that he might discover
during the course of his work.
Now on 28 February, 2Q05, after two months of investigation, John advised me that he
needed to interview officers who were senior in rank to him. As a result of that, I
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appointed Lieutenant General Mark Schmidt, who is the commander of my Air Force
component command, AFSouth, and 12 Air Force, as the senior investigating officer.
Then, Generals Schmidt and Furlow conducted their investigation. They are here with me
today. They are going to brief you as soon as I finish with this opening. Their report
reflects the combined findings and conclusions of the initial effort that Furlow did, and
the combined investigative efforts that they both did.
General Schmidt submitted his initial report to me on the first of April this year. After a
review, I directed on the 5th of May the investigation be reopened to consider two memos
from the December 2004 time frame that had been recently discovered. And they were
with regard to a special interrogation plan on a detainee.
While the team was completing that additional task, I further directed on the 2nd of June
that General Schmidt address a second set of new allegations made by a detainee that also
concerned a special interrogation plan. General Schmidt completed his investigation on
the 9th of June, and my staffjudge advocate began a legal review of the report. I have
completed my review, taken my actions with regard to the findings and
recommendations. I will inform you of those actions after Mark Schmidt and John
Furlow brief you on their investigations and findings. So I'll turn it over to Mark.
Schmidt: Thank you, sir. Lieutenant General Mark Schmidt. I am going to go through the
scope of this review and try to give, as General Craddock did, a truncated version of the
briefing.
The investigation was directed and accomplished under the informal procedures
provisions of that regulation, AR 15-6. And the AR 15-6 investigation centered on FBI
alleged abuses occurring during interrogation operations. The team found incidents of
abuse during detention operations, all of which were appropriately addressed by the
command.
The team conducted a comprehensive review of thousands of documents and statements I

pertaining to any allegations of abuse occurring at Guantanamo, to include the complete
medical records of the subjects of what we call the first and second special interrogation
plans.
The team interviewed 30 FBI agents, conducted interviews of over 100 personnel, had
access to hundreds of interviews conducted by several recent investigations. These
interviews included personnel assigned to Guantanamo, U.S. Southern Command, Office
of the Secretary of Defense, all during the tenure of JTFs 160, 170 and currently
Guantanamo. It included 76 000 personnel, to include every general officer who
commanded the Joint Task Force 160, 170 and Guantanamo. Additionally, we considered
abuse allegations made by two high-value detainees themselves.
The investigation team attempted to determine if these allegations in fact occurred, those
allegations made by the FBI. During the course of a follow-up investigation, the AR 15-6
also considered allegations raised specifically by the detainees who were the subject of
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appointed Lieutenant General Mark Schmidt, who is the commander of my Air Force
component command, AFSouth, and 12 Air Force, as the senior investigating officer.
Then, Generals Schmidt and Furlow conducted their investigation. They are here with me
today. They are going to brief you as soon as I finish with this opening. Their report
reflects the combined findings and conclusions of the initial effort that Furlow did, and
the combined investigative efforts that they both did.
General Schmidt submitted his initial report to me on the first of April this year. After a
review, I directed on the 5th of May the investigation be reopened to consider two memos
from the Decemb~r 2004 time frame that had been recently discovered. And they were
with regard to a special interrogation plan on a detainee.
While the team was completing that additional task, I further directed on the 2nd of June
that General Schmidt address a second set of new allegations made by a detainee that also
concerned a special interrogation plan. General Schmidt completed his investigation on
the 9th of June, and my staff judge advocate began a legal review of the report. I have
completed my review, taken my actions with regard to the findings and
recommendations. I will infonn you ofthose actions after Mark Schmidt and John
Furlow brief you on their investigations and findings. So I'll turn it over to Mark.
Schmidt: Thank you, sir. Lieutenant General Mark Schmidt. I am going to go through the
scope of this review and try to give, as General Craddock did, a truncated version of the
briefing.
The investigation was directed and accomplished under the infonnal procedures
provisions of that regulation, AR 15-6. And the AR 15-6 investigation centered on FBI
alleged abuses occurring during interrogation operations. The team found incidents of
abuse during detention operations, all of which were appropriately addressed by the
command.
The team conducted a comprehensive review of thousands of documents and statements!

pertaining to any allegations of abuse occurring at Guantanamo, to include the complete
medical records of the subjects of what we call the first and second special interrogation
plans.
The team interviewed 30 FBI agents, conducted interviews of over 100 personnel, had
access to hundreds of interviews conducted by several recent investigations. These
interviews included personnel assigned to Guantanamo, U.S. Southern Command, Office
of the Secretary of Defense, all during the tenure of JTFs 160, 170 and currently
Guantanamo. It included 76 DoD personnel, to include every general officer who
commanded the Joint Task Force 160, 170 and Guantanamo. Additionally, we considered
abuse allegations made by two high-value detainees themselves.
The investigation team attempted to detennine if these allegations in fact occurred, those
allegations made by the FBI. During the course of a follow-up investigation, the AR 15-6
also considered allegations raised specifically by the detainees who were the subject of
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those two special interrogation plans. The investigating team applied a preponderance
standard of proof consistent with the guidance contained in the Army Regulation 15-6.
Much of the testimony was obtained from witnesses who had served as.much as three
years earlier, and sometimes for 45 days or less. Civilian witnesses were not required to
cooperate, nor under subpoena to answer questions.
The team also applied guidance contained in that regulation, Commander U.S.
SOUTHCOM and Secretary of Defense memorandums authorizing special interrogation
techniques if deciding if a particular interrogation approach fell properly within an
authorized technique.
In those cases in which the team concluded that the allegation had in fact occurred, the
team then considered whether the incident was in compliance with interrogation
techniques that were approved either at the time of the incident or subsequent to the
incident.
In those cases where it was detennined that the allegation occurred to not have been an
authorized technique, the team then reviewed whether disciplinary action had already
been taken and the propriety ofthat action.
On the 28th of March, General Craddock asked me to determine accountability for those
substantiated violations that had no command action taken.
We did not review the legal validity ofthe various interrogation techniques outlined in
Anny Fi.eld Manual 34-52, or those approved by the Secretary of Defense.
I'd like to cover the summary of findings.
There were nine FBI allegations. Two were unsubstantiated. Two were never authorized,
and corrective action was taken on those. And there were five that were authorized.
The detention and interrogation operations at JTF-Guantanamo cover a three-year period

and over 24,000 interrogations. This investigation found only three interrogation acts to
be conducted in violation of interrogation techniques authorized by the Field Manual 34
52 and DoD guidance. And I will cover those three.
The first one - on at least two occasions between February 2002 and February 2003 two
detainees were short shackled to the eye bolt on the floor of the interrogation room. And
that was an FBI allegation.
Secondly, some time in October 2002, duct tape was used to quiet a detainee. Also an
FBI allegation.
Three - military interrogators threatened the subject ofthe second special interrogation
and his family, and that was discovered; that was not part of an FBI allegation.
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The inspection team also found that the commander of JTF-Guantanamo failed to
monitor the interrogation of one high-value detainee, that is ISN-063. The team found
that the individual interrogation techniques, while authorized, resulted in the persistent,
cumulative effect of being degrading and abusive treatment.
Finally, the investigation found that the communication of a threat to the second high
value detainee was in violation of SecDef guidance and the UCMJ.
The team found no evidence of torture or inhumane treatment at JTF Guantanamo.
Again, the investigation focused on FBI allegations on aggressive interrogation tactics.

That was our focus.
General Craddock?
Craddock: Thanks, Mark. Under Anny Regulation 15-6, as the appointing authority for
the investigation, my responsibility was to review the report and take action on the
findings and recommendations. In taking my action, I accepted or approved all the
numbered findings and recommendations included in the written report which was
provided to the Committee this morning both in, I believe, unclass and classified fonnat,
except for two recommendations that I did not approve.
First, I disapproved recommendation No. 16 which was that Major General (Geoffrey)
Miller be held accountable for failing to supervise the interrogation ofISN-063 and that
he be admonished for that failure.
Now, in accordance with current procedures and regulations, I forwarded this report to
the Department of the Army Inspector General for review and action as he deems
appropriate. Even though I disapproved it, under Anny regulations any allegation of
wrongdoing must be forwarded to the Anny IG for infonnation and action as he deems
appropriate. And as a Combatant Commander, I could not admonish someone not under
my command at this time anyway.
Secondly, I modified recommendation No. 22 to request that the Naval Criminal

Investigative Service conduct further investigation into the threat communicated by an
interrogator to a particular high-value detainee before forwarding the matter to the current
commander of that interrogator for action.
The interrogator admitted communicating a threat, but in his statement he said he

believed he had authority to do so because he had asked his servicing staffjudge
advocate and his supervisor. The interviews with those two individuals were inconclusive
with regards to that statement; therefore, rather than sending to the commander that
interrogator, I have directed a criminal investigative -- investigation be done, then results
of that provided to the Navy commander.
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I will now explain the rational for my decisions. My reason for disapproving
recommendation ,16 to hold General Miller accountable is that the interrogation of ISN
063 did not result in any violation of any U.S. law or policy and that the degree of
supervision provided by General Miller does not warrant admonishment under the
circumstances.
As the commander, even in the early days of his assignment, General Miller was
responsible for the conduct of his subordinates. However, as all commanders must do to
an extent that THEY detennine appropriate, General Miller relied on the judgment and
experience of his people to carry out their duties in a manner that was both professional
and authorized. The evidence shows that he was not misguided in this trust, since there
was no finding that U.S. law or policy was violated.
General Miller did supervise the interrogation in that he was aware of the most serious
aspects of ISN-063' s interrogation -- the length of interrogation sessions, the number of
days over which it was conducted, and the length of segregation from other detainees.
The evidence does show that General Miller was NOT aware of certain other aspects of
the interrogation. However, since there was no finding that U.S. law or policy was
violated, there is nothing for which to hold him accountable concerning the interrogation
of 063. Therefore, under the circumstances, I do not believe that those aspects of which
he was not aware warrant disciplinary actions.
Again, of particular importance to my decision is the fact that there was no finding that
the interrogation of 063, albeit characterized as creative, aggressive and persistent,
violated U.S. law or policy.
With regard to the rationale for No. 22, again, I believe that furt,her investigation by the
Naval Criminal Investigative Service may discover evidence in mitigation and
extenuation that should be considered in determining whether disciplinary action is
appropriate for the interrogator.
Finally, of the recommendations I approved, recommendations 23 through 27 are not

within my authority to implement. Therefore, I forwarded those to the Deputy Assistant
Secretary of Defense for detainee affairs for review and action as he deems appropriate.
If you are not aware or infonned of all these findings and recommendations as they are
listed numerically, we can provide that. Dave, you've got that and we can get that out to .
you. And that concludes my statement.
Ms. Barber: And with that, we'll take your questions.
Mr. Maginnis: General Craddock, Bob Maginnis. You are running a great program down
at Guantanamo, and I was down there with the group that went down on the 24th, so I
can't say anything bad about what I saw; I thought it was great.
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Question with regard to the female allegation of a lap dance and red ink fake menstrual
blood. Can you respond to that?
Craddock: Let me turn that over to Mark or John because they've got the details on that
in their report.
Schmidt: The substantiated - ab, first of alI the lap dance was not substantiated. We could
find no evidence, through any witness, that there was ever a lap dance. There was,
however, multiple instances of gender coercion where a female would invade the
personal space ofthe detainee, to include touching him, straddling him without putting
weight on him, running her fingers through his hair, touching his ann with perfume, and
that sort of thing. But no lap dance.
The incident concerning the fake menstrual blood. That incident was not authorized. The
occurrence happened while the female interrogator was interrogating this high-value
detainee. He spit in her face. She left the room - she was fairly distressed. While she was
out of the room she took a marking pen, marked it on her hand - red - went back in the
room, approached the detainee, touched his face, or, shoulders, told him that that was
menstrual blood and that she was menstruating, and that 'What do you think of that?' and
of course he went nuts. Then she left the room. That was an act of revenge; she lost
control, lost control of the environment. She was admonished. She was taken off of
interrogation duty, retrained, and eventually returned after about 30 days. So that was
corrected when it happened. But it was an incident that was reported.
Mr. Sheppard: General Schmidt, Don Sheppard.
Schmidt: Hey Don.
Mr. Sheppard: Much has been made in the media about confusion over changing rules,
what's to be done, et cetera, between Afghanistan, Iraq, Guantanamo. Did you find that
to be the case? Or were the people clear on what they could do at all times?
Schmidt: I will tell you, Don - first of all, Guantanamo Bay is a separate, closedMloop
detention interrogation operation. The connection between any other operation really
begins to open up a basket ofwonns and it does not pertain.
At Guantanamo the rules changed when they had these resistance trained - particularly
one high-value - ISN-063 - high-value detainee-- that was resistance trained and they
were getting nowhere with him. And they thought, and later proved to be fairly accurate,
that he had valuable information on the Global War on Terror.
The Joint Task Force requested additional interrogation techniques from a higher
authority, and they went up through the Office of the Secretary of Defense. They did
receive that authority on the 2nd of December 03 (sic, 2002, see below with Craddock) to
open up the envelope a little bit with more aggressive techniques.
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Now the techniques at that level look fairly benign. The proble~ that I encountered was
they get down to the application of those techniques, the supervision and the supervisory
chain of how you translate a futility technique down to what happens in the interrogation
room is where the issues we had sort of resided. And I did find that there was abusive and
degrading techniques applied. So that was the problem. However, the authorities to open
up interrogation techniques in response to Guantanamo, and it did not mean it went
anywhere else, Guantanamo under the closed crucible of the controls they have down
there were approved on the 2nd of December. They were rescinded on the 15th of
Jan~ary. A new set came out on the 16th of January through 16 April, and on the 16th of
April another set came down that sort of resolved it all and for the 16th of April, that's
what's in place right now. And the Field Manual 34-52 is kind of provided as a guide for
interrogators. So it changed, but it was not an out-of-control process, and it wasn't a wild
bunch of ideas coming from OSD or anything either. So it was fairly controlled.
Craddock: This is John Craddock. Let me just amplify, Don. I think. Mark said approved
December 2,2003. It's important. It's actually December 2,2002.
Schmidt: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Two thousand two.
Craddock: But it's important from the perspective of 14 months after 9-11. Look, they
found out about end of summer, August - July, August, fingerprint matched up, Khatani,
who he really was, 20th hijacker. And there was a lot of angst. And they said this guy has
resisted interrogation techniques from the FBI for eight months; we think he's got
information on al Qaeda. If he's the 20th hijacker he's in the know; we have go to find
out what he knows. I think the angst, the tension, the anxiety that another attack was
going to happen - and we still believe it is, it's a matter of when - was greater then. And
the notion was, we have to do something to get inside his head to find out what it is.
That's the genesis of these interrogation techniques.
Part two. The techniques still approved on 2 December are largely derived from 34-52.
Ego down, futility. Those techniques are a broad banner. And as Mark said, in the
application developed by the JTF-GTMO interrogation teams becomes where they
actually then determine what they are going to do in that interrogation booth.
(Sheppard?) Follow up here. One of the obvious questions we're going to be asked is,
OK, so things changed and aggressive - can you characterize a little for us or could you
give us something that we can use to characterize what changed, without revealing
specific techniques?
Craddock: Well I think probably techniques are in the open press now. Go ahead Mark.
Schmidt: Yeah, they are. Let me try to give you an example. I put two examples when we
did our testimony. The first one was, for instance, the field manual has - 34-52·- has an
example offutility.
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What that means at that level- that broad topic - the interrogator convinces the source
that resistance to questioning is futile. Then that goes down through a process. If that
technique is chosen by the JTF to be used against a particular detainee, then there's an
interrogator, typically an NCO, constructs a written interrogation plan. That plan now is
vetted through a team chief or intelligence control element supervisor - that means it's
either an 0-5 or a DIA GG 14 level·· then that's approved or not - adjusted - then an
interrogation is conducted with a translator with this NCO, and possibly with another
analyst.
What that meant down in the application at Guantanamo - remember, the application is
futility, convince the source that resistance to questioning is futile -•• that translates into
tell the detainee about how al Qaeda's falling apart; everyone's been killed or captured,
and we know a lot about this individual.
But it also translates to gender coercion via some domination. It's futile. I'm a female;
I'm in your face; you can do nothing about it. Start talking to us.
He was straddled, massaged, touched, that sort of thing. It could be as non-injurious type
of touching.
Another example is ego down. And this is the one where we start seeing a different sort
of thing, and it gets into possible sexual humiliation. Ego down, that's an approach based
on attacking the source's sense of personal worth. Goes through the same process. That
NCO, written plan, vets it through the 0-5 1eve!' GG14 level, and then conducts the
interrogation with translator.
In GTMO, that ego down translated down to telling the detainee that his mother and sister
were whores, he was forced to wear women's lingerie, multiple allegations of his
homosexuality, he was forced to dance with a male interrogator, he was strip searched for
control measures, and he was forced to perform dog tricks on a leash.
Now, the basic line there _. you say that sounds, you know, like I did - that sounds like
degrading. Well, we said yes, it could be. The basic line though in the charter for those
interrogators was humane treatment. And humane treatment is spelled out by the
President. It's a safe, secure environment that provides medical care, food, water, and the
basics of that person's security. Not this. Was this person injured, harmed? No. Were
they denied any medical care, anything? No. So there was a line there with don't cross
the line between inhumane, and that's where it went, Don.
So, those are some processes we kind of had to wrestle with.
Mr. Babbin: Jed Babbin for General Craddock. General, we see General Miller's name
having popped up before, and I know exactly what's going to be in the New York Times
tomorrow, or CBS News tonight. You.lrnow, they reprimanded Janice Karpinski, even
though Miller had been at some point at Abu Ghraib and had helped developed
interrogation techniques, now again, at GTMO. I understand your good answer about the
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fact that, you know, what happened at GTMO didn't violate law or policy. But we are
going to be bombarded tomorrow about why Miller wasn't admonished.
Second question. I was at GTMO yesterday and I saw a really very good operation, and I
have no reason to think that anything like this would ever happen at that point down there
now, and I would like to have your view on that.
But first, Karpinski versus Miller, please.
Craddock: I can't make a comparison with Karpinski and Miller. I only dealt with this
situation, with Miller, at GTMO. And I am not read into the situation with Karpinski. The
fact is that this special interrogation plan was developed in advance of Geoff Miller
showing up. He walked in to GTMO early November. It was approved and went into
place the end of that month. He did not develop it. It was in staffing; it left, I believe it
left GTMO the 11 th of October, got up to SOUTHCOM, SOUTHCOM forwarded it, then
later on it was, you know, worked over and staffed in the Pentagon. So he walked in and
what he had to do was one, understand what's going on down there.
He was told 'take these two task forces,' one JTF-] 60 and the other JTF-170; one dealing
with detainee operations, the other with intelligence collection, put them into one, meld
them into a common operating environment that is compatible, and that they are
integrated and fully functioning together.
That kind of translated, based on some of the folks that my investigators talked to, is
bring order out of chaos. Secondly, while you're there, coordinate the inter-agency. Let's
get all of the inter-agency folks represented down there on board and let's pull together,
instead of pulling apart. Third, take a look at the facilities for the detainees and let's see
what needs to be done and enhance those. And also, last but not least, we want you to
enhance and improve the quality of life for our servicemembers down there,
commensurate with what they would expect to have back at their bases, camps, posts and
installations in the States. So he had a lot of things he had to do.
My point to you is a difference between the investigators and myself on the degree of
supervision required. He did know certain things that I felt that were important that he
knew about that investigation, but he did not know everything about what was going on.
If a commander is required to know everything about what is going on in a unit where

there is no violation of law, policy or regulation, I am afraid that he is unable to
command. So that's the point - and the other thing, keep in mind only one SIP ever
implemented, this one, he walked into it essentially in progress.
Babbin: Good. And I appreciate that. And I suspect that what I am going to answer, at the
risk of belaboring the point, is you know, your point about the fact that law and policy
was not violated I think is the most compelling one and that, you know, that's the
difference between Abu Ghraib and here. Second point though, sir, what assurance would
you say, what would you give us in terms of what we saw yesterday? We saw a lot of
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things including all of the camps, including some of the ongoing interrogations, we had a
chance to observe briefly. Do you have confidence that what's going on down there right
now is all in accordance with law and policy as well as it should be?
Craddock. Absolutely. Look, we're a learning organization - the military is. We learn.
There were extraordinary requirements and needs on that SIP based up on the notion, the
belief that the 20th hijacker had some infonnation we needed to get. We had him a long
time. What was cooking we needed to know.
. Now, what we have done is we've got new guidelines, the 16 April memo, they're in
place. We understand, we know, that over time building reproachment and rapport with
these detainees and then getting information from them is a better way to go. And
generally speaking, with this population that's what we've done. We've gotten some
successes with that, as you were down there, I am sure you heard. And I am confident in
the professionalism of all of JTF-OTMO. I mean that is a very, very well run
organization.
Mr. Babbin: Excellent, thank you.
Mr. Vallely: Paul Vallely. One last question. You know with all of the things that have
come about in the (inaudible) down there, do we really provide enough flexibility now on
interrogation techniques that we can really get the information from all of these people
which is so vital?
Craddock: Good question. I would tell you that based upon the procedures in place, there
are four techniques that if we feel like we need to use have to be advance notification to
the SecDef. There is also guidance that if any of those, or alJ of those, we believe
competent authority - and that's the joint interrogation group chief, and the JTF-GTMO
would request it of me -- if we believe that we have a situation that we have someone
that is nonresponsive to the current techniques over time that there are processes whereby
they can request specialized techniques.
So I think the safeguards in place are adequate. I think that the interrogation techniques
are working. But I also know that if a peculiar situation arises, we have avenues to
address that.
Mr. Vallely: Great. Thank you.
Mr. McCausland: Sir, this is Jeff McCausland. First of all, I'd like to say I'm delighted
that Jed knows what CBS is going to do, because I work for them and hell, I don't know
what they're going to do (laughter).
But having said that, sir, first of all I would like to say I was also down in Guantanamo
yesterday and as an old soldier, I've got to say that's one of the most professional, well
disciplined, highly motivated, well-led units I have had the pleasure to visit, and they
should be commended. Jay Hood and his sergeant major and his guys are just doing a
bang-up job under pretty tough conditions.
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I do have two questions for you, and I think it's kind ofa follow-up from Jed's and that
is, the question of accountability and will be one we're going to be beat up on. And
you've answered that with respect to General Miller quite adequately. But in terms of any
other accountability action taken against any other soldier or for that matter any other FBI
or any other civilian involved in interrogation, from what I've heard, the only person I've
heard who any action was taken against was the one female interrogator who you
rightfully described as having lost control, and therefore was removed, retrained for her
actions. And that's perfectly appropriate. But, were there any other, based on what was
discovered, any other actions of accountability, ~ it admonishment, be it reprimand, be it
Article 15, UeMJ, any other action taken as part and parcel of this investigation?
And second of all, I'd just like your reaction as the regional component commander down
there, about this idea now that having done all this is what we really need is a national
commission to continue these types of investigations?
Craddock: Let me tum it over to John Furlow to address the first question about
accountability.
Furlow: Let me first start off with the duct tape. The duct tape was an incident that's
contained in the report where it got out of control and they ended up duct taping up a
detainee's head. And, obviously, went beyond the limits of what we expected. And the
interrogator was brought up and given an oral reprimand. And we're in the process of
sending a form on to his current supervisor to make that a little bit more official.
On the interrogation side, whenever an incident would come up, it was addressed by the
chain of command, it was documented and they moved on with, business. On the
detention side, same type of deal. If an individual was detennined to exhibit misconduct,
he would receive the punishment that was due to fit the crime, and they moved on. As in
any type of military ,organization there is, you know, dealings that the supervision and the
leadership has to deal with. But those are the main things~ there's accountability there. As
you mentioned, you talked to the sergeant major, the command sergeant major and Staff
Sergeant Major Mendez who runs the detention center runs and leads and supervises a
very active NCO chain and keeps the soldiers informed and accountable for their actions
on a daily basis, despite the fact that they are in a very arduous task and the fact that they
are often insulted on a daily basis. They are cussed at; they are threatened; they have
feces and urine thrown on them; I mean they are doing a great job down there. And so for
the accountability, the leadership there, especially at the middle management, is
obviously commendable. And I think you folks saw that.
Craddock: John Craddock. Let me amplify that real quick. On the recommendations from
the investigators, one was the duct tape issue. The recommendation is that the individual
who told the guard to do that was admonished, but that's not adequate. I agreed. I have
sent that recommendation to the director of the Joint Staff to forward to the director of the
Defense Intelligence Agency because that individual worked for him for reprimand.
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Secondly. I think there was another one there concerning the death threat that was issued
to a detainee. What I understood of the situation there was that the interrogator thought he
had top cover; he said he did; the two individuals he thought he got it from, when - when
we interviewed initially and then went back a second time they refused to talk. I am not
convinced, I am skeptical that he acted on his own, so I said let's refer that, and I've sent
it to Naval Criminal Investigative Service for a criminal investigation to compel those
individuals to talk to the criminal investigators since they wouldn't talk to my informal
investigators under 15-6.
Second part. The commission issue. The national commission. Some of the
recommendations were we need to clarify procedures, how we coordinate with the
interagency, at what point do the combined effects of interrogation applications cross the
line into abusive or degrading treatment? I agreed with those, and I approved those. I
don't know how to go about that. I sent those recommendations that I approved to the
Assistant Secretary of Defense for Detainee Affairs, Matt Waxman, and said, 'here they
are, I recommend approval, I've approved them, I recommend that you initiate them.'
Then Matt, ASD Detainee Affairs, will deal with it through the Policy OSD channel.
I am skeptical, concerned that a national commission -look, I don't know that that's the
right way; I don't know that it's the wrong way. But whatever we do ought to be sooner
rather than later, if we're going to do it, and it ought to be focused on the future, not the
past. We ought not to go back and headhunt, and try to hold people accountable when all
these investigations have done that, and folks, to a great extent, it ain't there in my
judgment. What we need is we need guidance for the future that commanders can use
either specifically or generally so that without guidance they use their best military
judgment and then later on are held accountable or questioned for it because it's not in
agreement with someone's perception of what's right and wrong.
Now, I'm off my soapbox.
Ms. Barber: And with that, General Craddock's got a busy schedule today, so we're
going to wrap it up. We do have a briefing that we can send to you, that Tara (Jones) will
email to you.
Craddock: And a paper that shows you all the findings, recommendations, and the
numbering system.
Mr. Babbin: Allison, is there any way that we can get the unclass version of the report
itself?
Ms. Barber: Yes, we're going to send that to you Jed.
Voice: What were the dates of the alleged abuses that they covered? Can you give that
real quick? The time period.
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Furlow: This is John Furlow here. Primarily the window of the 'FBI emails and such
started somewhere around August, September 02 and ran to about the end first calendar
quarter 2003. Now I say that kind of tentatively because when we started off the
investigation we were only able to nail down some of these allegations and events to
months, rather than specific date-time groups. So that was one of the things that we had a
problem with in going back into a - two, three years into the past. What we would do is
visit with an individual that was down there on a 45-day tour. They knew it happened
while they were down there 45 days. And what. sometimes we ended up getting (was) it
was toward the front or toward the back of their 45-day tour.
Craddock: Yeah, this is -let me give you one alibi. John Craddock. The difference
between Miller and Karpinski. Karpinski's situation - the guards maltreated detainees, so
there was a violation of law. Not true with Miller. It was a lawful interrogation. That's
the difference.
Ms. Barber: Thanks so much for the time on the call. If you have additional questions you
can zap those off to Tara; we'll get answers for you, and we'll send you the briefings and
the papers. General Craddock, General Schmidt and General Furlow, thank you for your
time today as well.
Craddock: Thank you, Allison.
Call ends:
Furlow: Now one thing (he?) just told me, the end date was really like August 03.
Craddock: 03, yes.
Voice: It's in the report.
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(b)(6)

Sent: Wednesda~, July 13, 2005 2:51 PM
To: ijM.a:: Cry, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD·PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
Cc: Lawrence, Dallas. OASD.PA;rl5TGi ' Maj, OASD-PA
Subject: Re: craddock call
Great.
sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
From: rUmiii Message-

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To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA <Allison.Barber~5m(;hII>; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
<Eric.Ruff@ijSftiiiiir; Whitman, Bryan, SES, CASD-PA <Bryan.Whitman@ijftU9
CC: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA <Dallas.Lawrence@(j5T19 ; riS,m , Maj, OASD-PA

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Sent: Wed Jul 13 14:50:17 2005
Subject: craddock call
the analysts are ready to go at 3:30. we are waiting for confirmation from craddock's
folks, but unless the analysts hear from me again, they will call in.
here is the list of those planning to be on the call:
Colonel Carl Kenneth Allard (USA, Retired)
Lieutenant General Thomas McInerney (USAF, Retired) - tentative
Lieutenant Colonel Carlton Sherwood (USMC, Retired)
a couple of them are asking for the report. can we send it to them?
thanks.
m1
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(b)(6)
From:' , ~ CIV, OASD-PA

Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:50 PM
To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES. OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
Cc: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; • • Maj, OASD-PA
Subject: craddock call
the analysts are ready to go at 3:30. we are waiting for confinnation from craddock's folks, but unless the analysts hear from me again,
they will call in.
here is the list of those planning to be on the call:

Colonel Carl Kenneth Allard (USA, Retired).
Mr. Jed Babbin, (USAF, JAG)
Colonel (Tim) 1. Eads (USA, Retired)
Lieutenant General Thomas McInerney (USAF, Retired) - tentative
a couple of them are asking for the report. can we send it to them?
thanks.
rim
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(b)(6)
From: JedBabbin@1mmw
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11 :35 AM
To: tmcinerney@El\YU( ; Ruff. Eric~ASD-PA; bill_cowan@mma:
mccauslj@1Mm : mnardotti • • , nashct@ij5TlHW;
ScashenNood~iDiShII
Cc: Mftflri CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: Re: gtmo visit
Let me add my thanks to rmmJ. And mmJ all. Thanks.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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(b)(6)
From: • • CIV OASD-PA
=~ar' JUI~g~S6~g~~
Sent:
To:
Subject:
:
Jed Babbin's Article (London Bombings)
-
Deadly Tolerance
By Jed Babbin
Published 7/11/2005 12:08:43 AM
Two features dominate our thinking about terrorism at home. We ,are, first,
complacent. Nothing has happened since 9-11, and we have begun to believe that
nothing ever will. Grimly tolerant of what passes for security at airports and train
stations, we are -- second -- annoyed at the thought that more and different security
measures may be needed. The London bombings last Thursday, the Brits' reaction to
them, and the revelations of how the problem has been building there are higl"lly ,
instructive. Or will be if we look at the unvarnished facts.
What happened in London last week could happen here today, and will -- in one form
or another -- all too soon. We can, and must, do more to control our borders, but the
sad fact is that -- like Britain -- the people who are intent on conducting, such attacks
are here already, and are allowed too much support from too many quarters in
America, as well as abroad. Just like those who struck London, and apparently are still
at large to strike again.
The Brit reaction was, on one hand, all stiff upper lip and, on the other, unrestrained
irresponsibility. Those whose voices count -- such as Tory MP John Redwood and
historian Paul Johnson -- were adamant in condemning the terrorists and
compassionate in mourning the dead. Johnson, in particular, almost scoffed at the
idea that such small attacks were going to change British policy. Those who have to
call the TV bookers to get attention, such as former Labourite Tony Benn, were
unrestrained in moral equivalence and "give peace a chance" cant. It was too much for
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even his BBC interviewer. Benn went so far as to equate the people killed in London
with those "innocents" we'd killed in Fallujah. Tell it to the Marines, Mr. Benn.
The surprising element in this was Redwood's reflexive hope that there would be no
backlash against the Muslim commlJnity. Redwood, who is one of the best thin~ers on
the Tory side, said it almost in passing. His sentiment is rightly placed. But it masks a
real problem that we and Britain face. No one should want to oppress any minority. No
one -- here or in Britain -- wants to say that all Muslims are responsible for the acts of
the terrorists. Thafs fine, as far as it goes. But we have to go much farther.
It ma'tters not whether the terrorists are Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, or
American Indian snake dancers. It is sufficient that they are an identifiable group
dedicated to the destruction of our freedom. Religion is a factor in this war only to the
extent that it helps us identify and defeat the enemy.
IT'S PROPER TO BE CONCERNED about oppression of minorities, but this concern

has so governed British self-defense over the past decade or more that London is now
the hottest of terrorist hotbeds in Europe. Tolerance is one hallmark of democracy. But
when it is given importance beyond its proper measure, it becomes a recipe for
national suicide.
According to a newly leaked Brit intelligence dossier, al Qaeda's recruitment of

terrorists is well organized and successful on British campuses. The al-Q recruiters are
focused on the affluent Muslims who should be among the best assimilated in British
society. But, according to the report, entitled "Young Muslims and Extremism," up to
1% -- some 16,000 British Muslims -- are actively engaged in terrorist activity in Britain
and abroad. Couple that with the statement of Lord Stevens, the former London police
chief, who said that up to 3,000 British-born or British-based people have passed
through bin Laden's terrorist training camps, and you get some idea of how Britain has
allowed itself -- by lax immigration policies, political sensitivity, and all the rest in the
name of "tolerance" -- to become a terrorist haven.
It's probably not that bad in the United States, but if the al-Q recruiters, the radical
imams in mosques and the other terrorist sympathizers here aren't watched and -
when they break the law arrested and imprisoned -- we will have the same problem
Britain has. Is this a condemnation of Islam? No. It's only a recognition of reality that
should be characteristic of American political speech. Instead, we have the Durbin
Kennedy Deanocrats hammering our soldiers and aiding the enemy.
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the al Qaeda chief in Iraq, sent a thank you note to the Dick
Durbins and Ted Kennedys of Congress in a message to his followers and
sympathizers on July 5. According to an unreleased translation read to me by a
Defense Department source, Zarqawi's message exhorted his terrorists to greater
effort, because, Zarqawi said, it is very clear that America was being defeated in Iraq.
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Zarqawi's proof? His message said that the proof that America is losing is that some
American congressmen are saying just that.
IT IS ESSENTIAL TO THE war that our enemy has no reason to doubt our resolve.
Winston Churchill knew that. His ringing speeches, throughout the war, and especially
in its darkest hours, were literally the fuel that propelled British courage when
everyone, including many of his closest advisers, thought all was lost. When Dick
Durbin compared our people at Gitmo to Nazis, GUlag guards, and Pol Pot's mass
murderers, there was a short burst of outrage, quelled by his phony apology. Senate
Republicans never demanded -- or got -- a clear and unequivocal apology from Durbin.
By their failure to do so they give credence to Zarqawi's message.
Republicans in the Senate and House are failing in one of their key wartime tasks: to
take on the political opposition in the debate. Not to shout people down, but to take
them to task. On the floor, we should be hearing one speech after another critical of
the irresponsible rhetoric of the left. Why don't we? Because they want comity, to pass
laws we don't need, spend money we should save, and give themselves pay raises
without voting for them. What they should be doing, instead, is taking on the tough
problems they were elected to tackle. Like what do we do about the terrorists who are
within our borders, and those who preach violence and hatred to young Muslims here.
They should read carefully the newly leaked dossier on recruitment of terrorists in the
U.K. And they should not allow those who apologize for terrorists scare them out of it.
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b)(6)

Subject: RE: GITMO CONFIRMED LIST
alsotr.m is going to be able to go, we checked and there is room for two on the jump seat, wont be the most comfortable
seat, but she wants to go and id like for her to have the experience and it will be good to have her help with the logistical
on the ground details. hope you have a great trip.
·····Orlglnal Message--••
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; ~rI1a5!t"mn • • Maj, OASD·PA; 'I1r'5~iYill'i'la"j• • • • •; Barber, Allison, CIv, OASD·PA;
IJSf$ ; CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: GITMO CONFIRMED UST
folks, alot of time and energy went into pUlling this one together and i truly appreciate everyone's effort. thank you for
all the due diligence.
···--Original Message··-··
Sent: Monday, July 11, 20059:13 AM
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD·PA;~ Maj, OASD·PA; 'I1r.5Itll'i'l:t• • • • • •; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA;
Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD·PA;~CIV, OASD·PA
Subject: RE: GITMO CONFIRMED UST
please note corrected manifest, MG Vallely is unable to attend
DOD
Eric Ruff
Admiral McGarrah
BG Hemmingway
Analysts
Jed Babbin
Lieutenant Colonel Bill Cowan
Colonel Jeff McCausland
Lieutenant General Thomas McInerney
Major General Michael J. Nardotti, Jr
Captain Chuck Nash (USN)
Lieutenant Colonel Carlton Sherwood
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(b)(6)

thank you for the nice words.
looking ahead, for the 18th, i may have one 3 or 4 analysts that want to go, do you want to open it up to your media list?
sent: Monday, July 11, 20059:19 AM
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA;flrr.hli,~mmnl • • Maj, OASD-PA;rlMi1i1ifi~(~3• • • • •I; Barber, Allison, CN, OASD-PA;
rl!tiki CrY, OASD·PA
folks, alot of time and energy went into pulling this one together and i truly appreciate everyone's effort. thank you for
all the due diligence.
sent: Monday, JulV 11, 20059:13 AM
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA;~ Maj, OASD·PA; (b)(6) ; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD·PA;
Barber, Allison, elV, OASD-PA;~ CN, OASD-PA
please note corrected manifest, MG Vallely is unable to attend
DOD
Eric Ruff
Admiral McGarrah
BG Hemmingway
Analysts
Jed Babbin
Lieutenant Colonel Bill Cowan
ColonelleffMcCausland
Lieutenant General Thomas McInerney
Major General Michael J. Nardotti, Jr
Captain Chuck Nash (USN)
Lieutenant Colonel Carlton Sherwood
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NY TIMES 7381
(b)(6)
From: JedBabbin~
To: tmcinemey@B)JLB ; aulvallely@tlA"if.Gi] : nashct@l51Gi_: Glenstrae77
@jMhtW BURM41516 raMa : i CIV, OASD-PA; WSSlnter@tljllldlW'lfl!':'l'lg
roberthscales I •
SUbject: Today's Spectator: Zarqawi's Love Note to Dick Durbin
The wonn is turning, and not necessarily in the right direction.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
lS
NY TIMES 7382
(b)(6)
From: lawrence, Dallas, OASD·PA

Subject: FW: Idea for your consideration
here is his email to me ...
From: Gordon Cucullu [mailto:colonelgordon~
Hi, Dallas,
I want to run something by you for comment/suggestions, please.
After the GITMO trip and the pieces I wrote and the reaction I'm getting from Americans on
talk radio and TV I am considering writing a quick book about GITMO. I checked and found
nothing positive or even truthful about the facility. Inside the Wire is a kiss and tell,
and there are two others by hard leftists who hate America and President Bush.
I don't want to make the book a history per se, but rather focus strictly on contemporary
issues: value of the camp, need for the camp, who are the detainees, why are they so
dangerous, what we hope to Obtain from them, NO TORTURE, interrogation techniquds, and
morale and welfare of the troops. I don't intend to get too bogged down in the legal
tangles, just hit the highlights. Mostly I want Americans to know what the hell is really
going on there and Why it is important to them.
More a look at GITMO today and tomorrow, some past to put things in context but not an
effort to explain, discuss, condemn, or justify past actions.
Bottom line: we need to get beyond rumor and accusation and look to the future.
I think I can have it done by September (I'd put all other projects on hold). I would need
passive DoD support: permission to travel my mil aircraft to GITMO and stay in facilities,
permission to interview military and civilians at GITMO (with their agreement, of course) ,
contacts at the Pentagon (Matt, maybe the Secretary, Wolfowitz, others you suggest),
interviews and contacts with some who have served previously on the island, and access
given by JTF discretion of non classified detainee interviews.
That sort of thing.
I envision spending one to two weeks back at GITMO, conducting interviews in the DC area
and having a draft manuscript by the end of August or so.
Prior to asking my agent to talk to publishers I want to run the idea past you for your
thoughts.
Thanks, all the best, Gordon
NY TIMES 7383
(b)(6)

Subject: RE: More hits
he had asked to have access to gitmo for several weeks, essentially embed, to write a book
on the process etc. he has received sign off from a publisher, i had thought he discussed
this with you on the plane. my apologies. III get you more details asap.
-----Original Message---~-
Sent: Friday, July 08. 2005 9:43 AM
SUbject: RE: More hits
this is the first i've seen this message, i believe. what does gordon have in mind?
thanks.
Sent: Friday, July OB, 2005 9:41 AM
Subject: FW: More hits
did his request get anywhere?

From: Gordon Cucullu [mailto:colonelgordon@ij~ri
To: Dallas.Lawrence~1Dt;nll
Subject: More hits
Hi, Dallas,
I did two radio shows out of St. Louis this week {Wed and Fril, both
involved war on terror/GITMO material. Today we tied the London attacks to
the value of continued interrogations.
I'm booked tonight on Al Rantel's Show from Los Angeles, same sUbject.
Hope things are well. Any news from my request for support for a GITMO book?
Thanks, be well,
Gordon Cucullu
NY TIMES 7384
-----------------
From:
Sent:
Friday. July 08, 2005 9:22 AM
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD.PA:"'tlI,"ml'r.a!l'l--, elV, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: Military Analyst Visit to Guantanamo
yes sir. j passed those tom she is preparing to send them out today, regardless if we brief on the plane or via conf call.
also, she is going to check to see if there was a more updated detainee brief, the one i have is dated june 14.
···--Origlnal Message-·--
Sent: Friday, July 08,20059:10 AM
To:MMGi av, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD·PA
just so we're thinking ahead, depending upon the type of aircraft we get, we may not be able to brief above a noise
level. we should be thinking about getting unclass materials to the analysts as early as today so they can review it and
be ready for discussion during a conference call that would have to occur on monday. and, if monday is going to be a
travel day for people, it will be important to make sure we get materials out.
dallas. recall that during our lookback with the analysts the one thing they all said was that they would have
appreciated getting the briefing materials used by mcgarrah, hemingway and waxman, ahead of time. thanks, eric
·----Original Message--···
From:". , av, OASD-PA
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASO·PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
Subject: FW: Military Analyst Visit to Guantanamo
fyi.
I'm having him send to me on sipr. and hemingway can brief that part as well.
thanks
rim
·-··-Original Message-····
From: Waxman, Matthew, CIV, OSD-POLICY
sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 3:53 PM
To: fi51$ ; av, OASD·PA
unfortunately they're on SIPRnet. Are you on there?
Tom Hemingway says he feels comfortable giving the briefing .- he'll do it, so no need for pre-brief
-----orrnal Messare---••
Fromli nTld av, OASD-PA
sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 3:36 PM
To: Waxman, Matthew, CIV, OSD-POUCY
hi.
did you get a response to this message?
also, would you please forward your slides to ine so that i can have someone start putting the briefing books
NY TIMES 7385
together?
thanks
ml
---··Original Message----
From: Waxman, Matthew, av, OSO-POUCY
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:22 AM
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Hemingway, Thomas, BG, 000 OGC;
RAOM (OARDEC)'
cc:firiTiiC : CIV,OASO-PA
Does it make sense to send them my slides in advance and to have a phone pre-brief before I leave?
Tom, otherwise, would you feel comfortable giving a brief policy overview. having heard my pitch a few
times now and knowing the law?
----·Original Message----·
From: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASO-PA
sent: Thursday, July 07, 20059:18 AM
To: Waxman, Matthew, CIV, OSD-POUCY; Hemingway, Thomas, BG, DoD OGe;
MOM ~OARDEC~'
ce:rL'Yffi CIV,OASD-PA
good a.m., gentlemen. we have just received confirmation that we will be taking a new round of
military analysts, a very strong group of folks, down to gtmo on tuesday, july 12. matt, since you're out
next week this email is for your s/a. jim, tom, hopefully your schedules will accommodate your
traveling with us again, as your briefings were of great value to the analysts. the same laydown as the
last trip is being planned " out early and back around 8 p.m. thanks. eric
NY TIMES 7386
From: (b)(6)
=-----------
Capt. USMC, OASD~PA
Sent: FridaY, July-..Q§,. 2005 7:52 AM
To: rnma _, elV, OSO-LA
Subject: RE: Jed Babbin Nmt.... cell
Done. Connection made. Babbin still says she needs "wood under her fingernails."
From: firi1151Iifti::19• • • • • , CIV, OSO-LA
To: raMA Capt. USMC, OASD-PA
Subject: Re: Jed Babbin ( )(? cell
She does not need firing up. He needs to call soon- she is wheels down in Memphis around
10:00. Ryan Loskarn is her press guy. ~ . His cell is (b (2)
, CIV, OSD-LA
'(b) 6)
Sent: Fri Jul 08 07:)4:)7 2005
Subject: Jed Babbin (b)(2)
Needs a good number for b (6) for the Laura Ingraham show this a.m. The number
he has isn't good M5~"" Also, he asked that someone speaks to her folks about getting
her a "little fired-up" for the radio show.
His cell
• •
Captain. , USMC
Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs
~~~;~_.~
Fax:~
1400 Defense Pentagon wN5·~~'~~N"'''
Washington, DC 20301-1~OO
NY TIMES 7387
(b)(6)

SUbJect: gtmo trip
hi there
want to make sure we are on the same page forrmTlil envolvement on the gtmo trip.
my expectations are as follows: (pre trip)
1. all of tre coordination and inivitation process

2. paper work and country clearance documentation
3. briefing coordination with principles
4. packets for military analysts
5. agenda
on the trip:
1. host the analysts as needed
2. coordinate follow up for analysts -- questions/briefing material...
3. provide assistance to you as needed
it is important that tara knows exactly what is expected of her. i am not in favor of my staff winging it and i don't want others
to think she is responsible for things that are outside her realm of influence.
please let me know if you have any additional items and i will brief tara on those too.
i am sure it will be a great trip.

ab
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(b)(6)
From: eIV,OSD-LA
Sent: Thursday, JUly 07. 2005 5:25 PM
To: Ruff. Eric. SES, OASD-PA
SUbject: jed babbin
we need to talk when you get down to PA- or call me

(b)(6)
Communications Director
Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Legislative Affairs
The Pentagon
Room~
ijftWJ
ijftWJ (cell)
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(b)(6)
From: rUmri elv, OASD-pA
Sent: Thursday, July 07,20055:03 PM
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD·PA
Subject: FW: Military Analyst Visit to Guantanamo
fyi.
i'm having him send to me on sipr. and hemingway can brief that part as well.
thanks
W
To: tmIm CIV, OASD-PA
unfortunately they're on SIPRnet. Are you on there?
Tom Hemingway says he feels comfortable giving the briefing .- he'll do it, so no need for pre-brief
-----Or;ginal Message---·-
From:tlMlil ; CIV, OASD-PA
Sent: Thursday, July 07,20053:36 PM
hi.
did you get a response to this message?
also, would you please forward your slides to me so that i can have someone start putting the briefing books together?
thanks
rnm
From: Waxman, Matthew, CIV, OSD-POUCY
sent: Thursday, July 07,20059:22 AM
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PAi Hemingway, Thomas, BG, DoD OGC; ,(b)(6) RADM (OARDEC)'
Cc~mJi5 CIV,OASD·PA
Tom, otherwise, would you feel comfortable giVing a brief policy overview, having heard my pitch a few times now
and knowing the law?
-··--Original Message-··-
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 20059:18 AM
To: Waxman, Matthew, CIV, OSD-POUCYi Hemingway, Thomas, BG, 000 OGC; (b)(6) RAOM
(OARDEC)'
Cc:rJSfm: ; CIV,OASD·PA
good a.m., gentlemen. we have just received confirmation that we will be taking a new round of military
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analysts, a very strong group of folks, down to gtmo on tuesday, july 12. matt, since YOU're out next week this
email is for yours/a. jim, tom, hopefully your schedules will accommodate your traveling with us again, as
your briefings were of great value to the analysts. the same laydown as the last trip is being planned -- out
early and back around 8 p.m. thanks, eric
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From: ttmld
----------------
SFC, OASD-PA
Cc: ,nifm j Capt. USMC, OASD-PA;

• •, CIV. OASD-PA
Subject: Phone msg from Jed Babbin
He is on the radio for Laura Ingram tomorrowOwould like to see if he could have a Libig
dogG on? Also, would like to speak w/you reference your GTMO t!ip.
(b)(2)
vir
SFC (b)(6)
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(b)(6)
From: Waxman, Matthew, CIV, OSO-POLICY

Sent: Thursday, July 07,20059:28 AM
To: Hemingway, Thomas, BG, OoDOGC
Cc: Ruff, Eric. SES, OASO-PA:MMlii elV, OSD·POLICY
Great. That would be terrific. Are you in the building today or tomorrow? OTherwise will discuss by phone
----·Original Message----
From: Hemingway, Thomas, BG, 000 OGC
To: Waxman, Matthew, CIV, OSD-POLICY
Cc: RUff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
SUbject: RE: Military Analyst Visit to Guantanamo
Matt,
I'll be happy to give your briefing but would like to meet with you orm before then to make sure I'm in sinc with your
"foot stompers."
Tom
Office rmmiIcommiSSions (000)
Room.
Crystal City
(b)(2)
From: Waxman, Matthew, CIV, OSD-POUCY
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 09:22
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PAi Hemingway, Thomas, BG, DoDOGCi riJ.Mli]• • • • •RADM (OARDEC)'
cc:fl5jj2) I ; eIV, OASD-PA
Tom, otherwise, would you feel comfortable giving a brief policy overview, having heard my pitch a few times now
and knowing the law?
--··-Original Message----
sent: Thursday, July 07,20059:18 AM
To: Waxman, Matthew, CIV, OSD-POUCYi HemIngway, Thomas, BG, DoDOGC; RADM
(OARDEC)'
Cc:OOffi av, OASO-PA
good a.m., gentlemen. we have just received confirmation that we will be taking a new round of military
analysts, a very strong group of folks, down to gtmo on tuesday, july 12. matt, since you're out next week this
email isforyours/a.jim.tom.hopefullyyourseheduleswillaccommodateyourtravelingwithusagain.as
your briefings were of great value to the analysts. the same laydown as the last trip is being planned -- out
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early and back around 8 p.m. thanks, eric
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(b)(6)
From: b)(6)
Sent:
To:
Cc:
Subject:
Attachments: Military Analyst Tour Wrap-Up 7.5.05.doc
Military Analyst
Tour Wrap-Up ... •• • • • •
Coverage of the military analyst VISIt to Guantanamo Included 37 known articles

or interviews across television, print, online and radio outlets. Military analyst Lieutenant
Colonel Gordon Cucullu had the most coverage followed by Major General Shepperd and then
Colonel Jacobs. Please see the attachment for the full report.
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(b)(6)
From: fiMa : elV, OASD-PA
Sent: Wednesday, July 06,200510:50 AM
SUbject: RE: Monday. JUly 11
i believe the hearing is on the 20th, which is why the rush to get all the codels in next
week ... the 14th is tentative b/c of the probability that we'll get bumped by la bringing
down the members who are not yet scheduled. i'll chat with blackner asap and see what we
can do. .
Sent: wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:30 AM
To: raMM CIV, OASD- PA
Subject: Re: Monday, July 11
On the hill. Not back in office until 2ish. We need to get the anlysts down b4 the st.
There is a cong hearing on the 14th that will review detainee issues. Analysts will have
good, fresh persprctive. I don't want thr 14th to be tentative. Can you please apprise
col blackmon of the hearing? Thanks.
From: MMlit CIV, OASD-PA <rlfi~ril't'lnanl~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! • •i
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA <Eric.Ruff~>
Sent: Wed Jul 06 10:14:09 2005
Subject: Fw: Monday, July 11
Fyi. See beloW. I have a list and info from claude, too. Where are you?? Let's
discuss .....
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F:I"om: fiMH R. LTC (L)

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CC:~COL{Ll
Sent: Wed Jul 06 09:55:13 2005
Subject: RE: Monday, July 11
Sorry for the brevity. Thursday, July 14th is very tentative right now. Prefer not to
schedule at this point. We have 3-4 CODELs scheduled fer next week and there is movement
based on OSD-LA's efforts to combine trips. We have an operational blackout on visits.
between 16-20 July. Best dates I can give you right now are July 21, 22, 27, 28, 29.
VIR
MaIlri
LTC, FA
Director, JTF-GTMO Joint Visitors Bureau
DSN: (b)(2)
COMM:
From: Ifi5~Ur:a~...... CIV, OASD~PA [mailte: b) 6)
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 ~:21 AM
To: 'rAMa . COL (L) I
Cc: fJ!!OM LTC (L)
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Great,. Thanks.
r am also checking with our leg affairs folks here in the building to make sure we're ok.
r hope to have this nailed down by mid-day. Doable?
Thanks
mTI
-----Ori~inal Messa~---
From: tb1tlei_ COL (L) [maHto (b)(6)
To: iji\flii CIV, OASD- PA I
Cc: Salveson, Curt R. LTC (L)
0Cbt1il I have forwarded your email to LTC M5I15 lour JVB Director. He will be
able to deconflict a possible visit with our CODEL visits.
COL ~ •
Director of Public Affairs
---
Joint Task Force Guantanamo
From: rAMS; i CIV, OASD-PA [mailto:G.lm.n•••••
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 200'5 6: Z4 PM
fT~O~:::.:.:!::~!:!~~.
Cc: rU.uhi
MSthi
COL (Ll; LCDR
Maj, OASD-PA
(L)'
firlUmlltttiHII• • • • • • COL (L); !rla551f1nan• • • • • • LTC (L);
Would you please check on the feasibility of a July 14th visit and let me know as soon as
possible?
Thanks
rr.n
From; riMa I LCDR (L)
Sent: Tuesday, July OS, 2005 5:28 PM
lTli.n••••••••••
[mail to :rm~
To: ~ OASD-PA
C c : ~ COL (L);lI'
"lJimll••••••
• COL (L); (b)(6) , LTC (L);

flMhi Maj OASD- PA tl5fiH (E-mail)
After checking schedulep, 11 July will not work. There is currently a CODEL
scheduled to visit JTF-GTMO
on 11 July. Both CDR, USSOUTHCOM and CDR, JTF-GTMO support the media analyst visit but do
not wish to
have both the media analyst and CODEL on the same day. We are standing by to work an
alternate day. I do not
have full exposure to the CODEL visit calander at this time but I know there are either
scheduled or tentative CODELS
on 6, 8, 11, 12, 13, 15 and 18 Jul. If you receive this e-mail after hours please try me
on my cell phone.
VIR,
raSffliW
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Plans Officer
U.S. Southern Command Public Affairs
Office~:~==:===-
Cell : fi5f»j rmtld
(b)(6)
-----Original Message--~--
From: IIftTlri crv, OASD- PA [mailto :~ri1lnn~t1Ir:1ri .
Sent: Tuesday, JUly 05, 2005 12:4B PM
To: riMa ' £ LCDR (L)
Subject: Monday, July 11
Hi ri5flriW
Thanks for your help on this. I've attached (and pasted below} the list of those are
currently scheduled to be on the flight. There could be one or two additions, and r will
let you know soonest if that is the case.
Please forward BGen Hood's contact info as soon as you can.
Please also let me know what else you need from me.
Thanks again,
m
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~ublic Affairs Specialist, Community Relations and Public Liaison
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OSD Public Affairs
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(b)(6)
From: tmlffi elV, OASD-PA
i haven't heard back from him yet. i'll follow up with him this morning.
i'm checking with southcom to make sure the 14th is a go and then will get all the details
worked out. onwards and upwards.
mJ
From; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
Sent: Wednesday, July 06. 2005 8:21 AM
To: Mbf~ CIV, OASD-PA
i'm still miffed about this. have you heard from claude? we need to know all of the
doggone dates that codels are scheduled and he should be telling us ~his ... are we
coordinated with la? thanks, ~
----~Original Message----
From; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
To: UMiat , CIV, OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Lawrence,
Dallas, OASD-PA
Subject: Re: Monday, July 11
Have we heard about these from [~~1I -- i.e. Does he know about them? Thanks. Let's
look at the 14th
From: fj5TI& CIV, OASD - PA <rj5TI& >
To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA <Allison.Barber@ij!rifa. . >; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
<Eric.Ruff@ij~ ; Lawrence, Dallas, OASO-PA <Dallas.Lawrence~
Sent: Tue Ju1 05 17:31:02 2005 -~
Subject: FW: Monday, July 11
apparently, there is also a codel on july 12th and 13th as well as the 18th, which was
tentatively when we wanted to schedule the next trip.
apparently, there is no trip scheduled for the 14th. shall i look to reschedule for that
date??
From: ij!rifd 2 LCDR (L) [maHto: (b)(6)
Sent: TUesda~July OS, 2005 5:28 PM
To: Nbfld . . CIV, OASD-PA
Cc: ~ COL (L); I'lrnn1iTi:nr~ri• • • • • • COL (Ll; rrtiftftTlflriri . LTC.(L.) ;
~M~5TM& (E-mail)
SUbject: RE; Monday. JUly 11
NbflM
After checking schedules, 11 July will not work. There is currently a CODEL
scheduled to visit JTF-GTMO
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not wish to
have both the media analyst and CODEL on the Same day. We are ,standing by to work an
alternate day. I do not
have full exposure to the CODEL visit calander at this time but I know there are either
scheduled or tentative CODELs
on 6, 8, II, 12, 13, 15 ·and 18 Jul. If you receive this e-mail after hours please try me
on my cell phone.
~
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LCDR rUmd
Plans Officer
Office: m~II••IIII. Dsn: _
Cell:
From: • CIV, OASD-PA [mailto: fh)(R
To: rJ5Tlit 2 LCDR (L)
Hitl:m:t1l
Thanks for your help on this. I've attached (and pasted below) the list of those are
currently scheduled to be on the flight. There could be one or two additions, and I will
let you ~now soonest if that is the case.
Thanks again,
mIt
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Mr. E~ecial Assistant to the Deputy Secretary of Defense

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E. Vallely (USA, Retired)
Respectfully,
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aso Public Affairs
iS~Jij The Pentagon
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(b)(6)
From: • • CIV OASO-PA

Sent: Wednesday, Jut06, 2005 6:34 AM
To: tli1fGi CIV OASO-PA
Subject: FW: Slippary Clinton (Babbin)

http://www.spectator.org/dsp article.asp?art id=8356\
(b)(6)
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Researcher
OSD Writers Group, Room •
Telephone: •
Fax: •
Jed Babbin
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(b)(6)
From: Barber, Allison, elV, OASD-PA [allison.barber@tGiflil.

Sent: Tuesday, July 05,20055:35 PM
Cc: M5flH ;IV, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
hi eric
your call since these are your trips. i know you are Out...so if we don't hear from you tomorrow, we will push the trip to the
14th.. you will also need to chat with bryan about getting a press officer to go with you.fhifl&W:an't go.
thanks. hope you had a nice fourth.

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From:tmlffi CIV, OASD-PA [mailto
Sent: Tuesday, july as, 2005 5:31 PM
To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
apparently, there is also a codel on jUly 12th and 13th as well as the 18th, which was tentatively when we wanted to
schedule the next trip.
apparently, there is no trip scheduled for the 14th. shall i look to reschedule for that date??
-----Orlginal Message----
From: liMa ; i , LCDR (L) [mailto:t11Mftmfll'lllilil1l• • • • • •
sent: Tuesday, July as, 2005 5:28 PM
To:fjmM; ; :IV,OASD-PA
cc:Mmlii COL (L); COL (L); LTC (L); rjMlriiMaj OASD-PAmmDI(E
mail)
SUbject: RE: Monday, july 11
DDI
After checking schedules, 11 July will not work. There is currently a CODEL scheduled to visit
JTF-GTMO
not wish to
have both the media analyst and CODEL on the same day. We are standing by to work an alternate
day. I do not
have full exposure to the CODEL visit calander at this time but I know there are either scheduled or
tentative CODELs
on 6, 8, 11, 12, 13, 15 and 18 Jul. If you receive this e-mail after hours please try me on my cell
phone.
VIR
rmtn
LCDR_.
Plans lcer
Office~Dsn:mY1
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To:fi5ild ; i ; LCDR (L)
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Thanks for your help on this. I've attached (and pasted below) the list of those are currently scheduled to be on the
flight. There could be one or two additions, and I will let you know soonest if that is the case.
Thanks again,
rmTI
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(b)(6)
From: JedBabbin@rmtm._
Sent: Tuesday, JulY.: 05,20057:14 AM
To: t~@rmtm pau/valle nashct@~Ml5l.; Glenstrae77
@b'lYm. BURM41516@,5Tld CIV, OASD-PA; WSSlnter~l'J'Im"tl!~d-lI;

roberthscales@rj&
SUbject: Today's Spectator: The Confirmation Agenda
The President needs to be on the attack, not the defensive through the coming mess in the Senate.
Jed Babbin
(Home Fax)
(Mobile)
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From:
Sent: rmt¥'
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Waxman, Matthew, CIV, OSD·POLICY
July 01, 2005 7:03 PM
To: I • CIV, OSD·POLlCY; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES,
OASD-PA
Cc: tlftflii CIV, OSD-POLlCY; (b (6 CIV, USA, OSD-POLICY
Subject: Re: JED BABSIN/RADIO INTERVIEWS
Do I understand this to mean he wants to do an interview at 700 a.m, on the 4th of july!?
I do NOT want to discuss the UN special raaporteur issue. That isn't something we have a
lot to say on or to gain from talking about right now
From: tiNM CIV, OSD-POLICY < I •
>
To: Waxman, Matthew, CIV, OSD-POLICY <Matthew. Waxman
CC: I • CIV, OSD-POLICY <fiflli:liliflfll':al1l• • • • • • fh fR , COL, USA, OSD
POLICY >
Sent: Fri Jul 01 18:33:57 2005
Subject: FW: JED BABBIN/RADIO INTERVIEWS
Matt,
FYI - more background and I'll talk to PA as well.
-----Original Message--·-
From: raMUi CAPT, OASD-PA
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 1:11 PM
To:
PA; tCdr, P~;~"~5~n~d~iii~;~C~A~P~T:AA~USN;
OASD-OASD-PA;
, Lt Col, ti5flSi NhTlii
CIV, OSD-POLICY
, Maj, OASD
Cc: Turner, James, CIV, OASD-PA; NhTlri Col, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA;
Ruff, Eric, SES. OASD-PA
Jeb Babbin would like to interview Gen Hemingway, Mathew Waxman, and/or RADM McGarrah on
the Monday radio programs he is guest hosting. Both shows are on WMET-AM, Washington DC.
The morning show is 0700 - 090~, the afternoon show is 1200 - 1400. He would like to have
Waxman on the early show and either BGen Hemingway or RADM McGarrah during the afternoon
show. That said, he is flexible and will accomodate their schedules as long as he could
get at least one of them on each of the two shows that day.
FYI, Babbin was asking questions about the recent statement from the UN Human Rights
group. LtCol Skinner is double-checking to see if the below response to query regarding
the UN is still valid and will inform us as soon as he gets a response in case they are
asked on the show.
Flex, would like you to be overall coordinator for the Babbin Monday shows. Babbin said
he could only handle one interview per show so don't need all three, but would like to
have at least one per show if at all possible. Here is Babbin's contact numbers:
(b)(2)
email: jedbabbin@ij5fl'J
Please make contact with Jed today to let him know you are working this. Thanks.
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(b)(6)
From: tlel1Ld llclv, OASD·PA
Sent: Friday, JUly 01, 2005 8:44 AM
To: Barber, Allison CIV, OASD·PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD·PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA;
MftTm 'i CIV, OASD·PA
Subject: FW: Dillon op-ed on Gitmo in National Review Online
more mileage out of the gitmo trip.
~
·····Orlglnal Message···_·
From:/t."'fihi & [mallton'ft. rm•••••••
To:MM3 : ClV, OASD·PA
Subject: FW: Dillon op-ed on Gitmo in National Review Online
hUp:llwww.nationalreview.com/commentldillon200507010815.asp
July 01, 2005,8:15 a.m.
Model Gitmo
Very far away from anything Amnesty claims.
By Dana Dillon
As long as institutions are created and staffed by human beings, rather than gods, they will be
imperfect. At best. What distinguishes the good institutions from the bad is not whether they make
mistakes, but how they handle mistakes when they occur.
Recently I visited our military's much-maligned detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. I found
the prisoners there were treated humanely and justly, living in conditions that meet - indeed, far
exceed - Geneva Convention standards for prisoner treatment.
It's not prudent to speCUlate on the motives behind the histrionic criticisms of Gitmo recently launched
by Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International. But if these institutions truly wish to advance
human rights, they would do far better to focus on the Defense Department's response to prisoner
abuse scandals· and hold it up as a model for security forces a~ound the world.
Sensational headlines may be a boon for fundraising, but they do not always spur reform. Remember
the tempest over Abu Ghraib? The world was shocked and enraged at the sight of those photos of
prisoner abuse. But well before those photos were pUblished, the U.S. military had recognized the
problems and was moving to correct them - in Abu Ghraib and elsewhere in Iraq and Afghanistan.
How, exactly, has the Pentagon responded? It has moved decisively to hold the actors acco~ritable.
More than 390 criminal investigations are either in progress or completed. So far, there have been 50
referrals to courts-martial, more than 85 non-judicial punishments, and 26 administrative actions. At
Abu Ghraib a'lone, the commanding general was relieved of duty and reduced in rank, the
Intelligence Brigade commander was relieved, there were eight courts-martial, four officers received
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non-judicial punishment, and action is still pending for another 13 soldiers.
The Defense Department's prompt and painstaking response to improper conduct demonstrates its
appreCiation of the importance of detention operations and its commitment to both the humane
treatment of prisoners and accountability. That's something Amnesty International should be
promoting as a model for other nations - even some of our allies in the war on terrorism.
Consider Thailand. An ally of the United States, Thailand is battling a Muslim insurgency in its
southern provinces that may have connections with international terrorists. Unfortunately, the
negligence and lack of accountability of the Thai security forces are making the situation worse. In
October 2004, Thai forces arrested 1,000 protesters. Eighty-four of them died in custody, most from
suffocation while crowded in trucks.
Thai authorities conducted an investigation, but the result was the transfer - not demotion, not court
martial, just the transfer - of three generals. No one was court-martialed, or received any other
punishment. Today, the insurgency in Thailand remains active, with the level of brutality on both
sides increasing, not declining.
Thailand is not alone. The Philippines and Indonesia are also fighting homegrown terrorists, and they
too are experiencing problems in law enforcement and the detention of prisoners. The United States
and responsible international nongovernmental organization~ concerned with human rights should
share the American experience to our allies in the war on terrorism.
Of course, "responsible NGO" means the International Committee of the Red Cross (JCRC), not
Human Rights Watch (HRW) or Amnesty International (AI). One lesson learned by the American
armed forces is that the ICRC is a valuable partner in assuring the humane treatment of prisoners.
while AI and HRW are thinly disguised partisan political organizations.
ICRC has maintained an active presence at Guantanamo Bay since 2002 and has interviewed a/l of
the detainees. But rather than sex up its reports and blare them to the media, ICRC sends their first
hand assessments, in confidence, to the responsible governments. This gives officials the chance to
correct mistakes without public outcry, an important consideration for many developing countries.
Brigadier General Jay Hood. the commander of the detention facilities, says that ICRC suggestions
helped him create a detention facility that meets all the international standards. In addition to the
ICRC, more than 1,000 jOl;lrnalists have visited Gitmo, pl,IJS eleven senators, 77 congressmen, 99
congressional staffers, and, of course, lawyers for the detainees. Despite a plethora of available
eyewitness testimony to the humane conditions in American military detention facilities, AI
denounced Guantanamo as the "gulag of our times," and HRW compared Abu Ghraib to Darfur.
Detention operations playa vital role in the war on terrorism. American military police maintain a
"detention" specialty to operate prisons and handle prisoners. Militaries in developing countries need
similar training. International Military Education and Training (IMET) funds should be made available
to countries like Thailand, the Philippines, a,nd Indonesia to train their soldiers in law-enforcement
and prisoner-detention specialties. That's a much safer alternative than falsely screaming "gulag!"
- Retired Anny Major Dana R. Dillon is senior policy analyst at the Heritage Foundation.
This message (and any associated files) is intended only for the use of b)(6
and may contain informalion that is confidential.
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If you are not , • you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this email.
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of Dana Dillon
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(b)(6)
From: (b)(6) Capt. USMC, OASD-PA

Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 8:15 AM
To: Hemingway, Thomas, BG, DoD OGC
Cc: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA ,
SUbject: FW: Transcripts of Comments by Military Analysts who visited Guantanamo
Attachments: Gitmo Military Analyst Transcripts 062705.doc
Gltmo Military
Analyst Transcr... S.
Ir,
Mr. Ruff asked me to forward these transcripts to you.
capt._
From: (b)(6) AFIS-HQ/PIA [mailto (b)(6)
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 4:21 PM
To: Di Rita, Larry, av, OSD-OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, av, OASD-PA; Ruff, Erlc, CIV, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES,
OASD·PA .
Cc: lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; • • ~ Capt. USMC, OASD-PA; Merritt, Roxie T.
CAPT, OASD-PA;. • AFIS-HQ/CNs;rmtm AFIS-HQjCNS
Subject: Transcripts of COmments by Military Analysts who visited Guantanamo
Transcripts attached.
Thanks to Dallas Lawrence for the air times/info he provided - much

appreciated.
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Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:59 AM
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, elV, OASD-PA
Subject: FW: Greer on Gitmo
Attachments: SJGF Logo.jpg
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SJGF Logo.jpg (3
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From: Steven J. Greer CSM (Ret) [mailto:steven@ (b)(6)
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 6:44 PM
To: Steven Greer
Subject: Greer on Gitmo
Vacancy at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba
Steven J. Greer
26 June 2005
"Club Gitmo?" Perhaps Rush Limbaugh had a crystal ball when he compared the Guantanamo Bay
Detention Facility to luxurious Club Med resorts. Not to be outdone by the conservative radio critic,
Senators Dick Durbin and Robert Byrd gazed into their own crystal balls. What they saw is chilling
torture chambers, gulag tactics, human rights violations! Truth be told, Guantanamo is neither a
resort nor gulag.
"We conduct confinement and interrogation of the worst of the worst terrorist operatives," remarked
Brigadier General Jay Hood, Commander, JTF-Guantanamo Bay. Sound pretty straightforward? Not
hardly. Hood and his professional task force of soldiers, sailors, coastguardsman, and civilians
operate under increased scrutiny of late. They spend an enormous amount of time responding to
international pressures, uninformed criticisms, and irresponsible journalism. "Every crazy story
impacts our mission," said Command Sergeant Major Angel Febles. No doubt! Camp Delta is tied
up 2-3 times a week conducting "dog & pony" shows for VIP's and international media. Nonetheless,
Hood and company remain stoic, focused, and unwavering.
Since September 11, 2001, more than 70,000 enemy combatants have been captured in Afghanistan
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and Iraq. The majority released or confined in facilities abroad. Only a fraction of suspected Taliban
or AI Oaeda associates have "checked-in," reaping the pleasures and comforts associated with
Camp Delta. Perks such as ice cream, air-conditioned cells, prayer rugs, checker board games,
volleyball, and state of the art medical care. Detainees ~ political correctness for extremists who wish
to kill us - eat three squares a day, peruse Martha Stewart Living, and play soccer. Sound like
torture?
So what do reasonable people make of reports of wide spread abuse? One recent delegation of
military analysts learned first hand - abuse is pervasive and indiscriminate! Individuals are being spit
on, head butted, peppered with feces and urine on a weekly basis. Unfortunately for Durbin, and
Byrd, the recipients of such vulgar treatment are not detainees; they are guards - .
American Soldiers and Sailors.
Americans shouldn't be at all surprised. Camp Delta isn't home to alter boys - there are bomb
makers, terrorist facilitators, UBL body~guards, and would-be suicide bombers. Some 800 total
unlawful enemy' combatants have been detained at Guantanamo. All are Taliban or AI Oaeda
associates. Several hundred have been released or transferred pursuant to the Combatant Status
Review Tribunal and Administrative Review Board process. Cumbersome processes akin to working
a rubrics cube blindfolded.
Approximately 520 detainees remain at CarTIP Delta. Of these, 100 are suspected of possessing
high-value intelligence information. These "magnificent" 100 are interrogated routinely. About 35%
are compliant, the balance combative, hostile, and uncooperative. Think we torture these folks? Not
hardly. Peering through single-sided glass one gets a sense of just how cunning, dangerous, and
elusive th.is enemy can be. Yet we don't use torture? "The most effective way to draw credible
information is through rapport building, not force," qUipped a senior female analyst with 3 years at
Guantanamo. One detainee favored hostess donuts...eating a dozen (with his left hand) while his
interrogator patiently asked questions. Another flipped through pages of Divers World magazine
(he's from the coast of Libya and enjoys the water). While another carefully sipped Seattle's Best
Coffee. Incentives ~ a small price to pay to save lives.
Interrogation is a cat and mouse game. "It's a chess match; both interrogator and detainee are
hanging on every word," remarked one senior interrogator. Analysts at Camp Delta continue to
receive information that saves lives and uncovers AI Oaeda networks. Every detainee has a story to
tell and is a potential treasure trove of information. So what makes a detainee want to talk?
"Rapport building...that's the strategy that we employ and it's effective," said General Hood. And
Hood takes this strategy seriously. For example, detainees are free to practice their Muslim faith.
Hood ordered small, black arrows painted on each bunk and in all common areas.. .the arrow points
toward Mecca! He also ordered the playing of the Muslim "call to prayer" overthe camp loudspeaker
5 times per day. Sound like a Gulag?
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The result of such pampered care is undeniable. More then 4,000 reports capture information
provided by detainees, much of it corroborated by other intelligence reporting. This unprecedented
body of knowledge has expanded our understanding of AI Oaeda and other associated networks.
Many detainees have admitted close relationships to senior AI Oaeda leadership - providing valuable
insights into the structure, training, goals, and financial mechanisms. Guantanamo Bay is OUf 'only
strategic interrogation center and is imperative to prosecuting the war on terrorism.
Lessons learned are advancing the operational art of intelligence and development of strategic
interrogations doctrine. Moreover, they speak to the professionalism eXhibited by hundreds of men
and women deployed to Cuba to protect our freedoms. Not qUite a resort and certainly not a gulag,
perhaps Limbaugh, Durbin, and Byrd have time to visit? The sign reads, "Vacancy at Guantanamo
Bay, Cuba," and General Hood and company are gracious hosts.
Author: Steven J, Greer is a Professor at American Military University and fellow with the National Defense Council
Foundation. He recently visited Camp Delta.
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Military Analysts - Gitmo Trip Wrap-Up
(Media Coverage: June 24 - July 5)
Summary
Coverage of the military analyst visit to Guantanamo included 37 known articles or
interviews across television, print, online and radio outlets. Military analyst Lieutenant
Colonel Gordon Cucullu had the most coverage followed by Major General Shepperd and
then Colonel Jacobs. Themes were consistent with last week's topics as follows:
Prisoner/Guard Abuse
)0>Most abuse is either toward U.s. military personnel andlor between prisoners
~ U.S. military guards are regularly threatened by prisoners
~ Some analysts stated there may have been past abuses at Gitmo but not now
Prisoner Interrogations
~ Interrogators are building relationships with prisoners; not torturing them
)0> We are still gaining valuable information from prisoners
)0> Interrogations are very professionally run
Quality ofPrisoner Care

~ Soldiers go out of their way to accommodate Islamic practices by providing
prayer rugs, Korans and directional arrows pointing toward Mecca
~ Dietary needs of prisoners are taken into consideration and medical care is
provided
Closing Gitmo
~ Gitmo exceeds Geneva Convention requirements
We should not close this facility and let dangerous terrorists out
)0>
Analyst Feedback
~ Analysts felt criticism of DoD is unfair and misguided
).> 000 should have been more open about Gitmo sooner
~ Analyst tour is "long overdue" and there is "nothing to be ashamed of'
} Television media has outdated images ofGitmo (i.e. showed a rundown facility)
COVERAGE BY MEDIA OUTLET
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III TV
• Print! Online
Radio
10
Amount of Coverage per Analyst No Known Post-Trip Commentary
Maginnis
) Colonel Tim J. Eads
) Colonel Glenn Lackey
CUCUIIU!!!••~.'.~
Jacobs
) Retired CIA Wayne Simmons
(Quoted within a Gordon Cucullu piece)
Shepperd~;;;d.n
Greer
o 5 10 15 20
SUMMARV OF MEDIA COVERAGE

(*Indicates new media not c,overed in last report)
General Montgomery Meigs
Television
WNBC-NY (NBC) - Today
6/25/20057:08:0'1 AM
~ General discussion of Gitmo structural changes, prisoner treatment and Red Cross
interviews of detainees. Also talked about whether Gitmo should continue to
detain prisoners.
MSNBC News Live

6/25/2005 11 :20: 12 AM
~ Discussed the quality of the facilities, prisoner interrogations and Red Cross
involvement. Also commented on the professionalism of the military personnel at
Gitmo and believes DoD is doing the "right thing" at Gitmo.
MSNBC*
6/27/20053:24:11 PM
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~ Spoke of the numerous changes at Gitmo. For example, building rapport with
prisoners, the high quality of food and facility improvements in comparison to
past conditions.
Command Sergeant Major Steven Greer
(Fox News interview on Saturday, June 25; not available)
Television
Fox News -- Fox and Friends Sunday
6/26/2005 9:45: 13 AM
);> Emphasized that interrogations are built on rapport rather than torture and that the
food quality is good. Also discussed the fact that prisoners attack military guards.
Maior General Donald W. Shepperd

(Radio interviews ABC Radio - New York and CNN Radio this Weekend: not available)
Print/Online:
Visit offers glimpse into Guantanamo
(CNN.com; online CNN article by General Donald Shepperd) - July 1
~ Criticism of 000 is unfair and misjudged. Gitmo replicates military justice
systems (i.e. military tribunals) and is modeled after U.S. prisons. "Certainly no
gulag."
Television:
6/27/20059:14:57 AM
);> Discussed guards' 'professionalism, the quality of facilities and interrogation
techniques (i.e. building relationships with prisoners).
Live from CNN

6/24/05 2:50 PM
);> Gitmo is a modern prison system with dedicated guards and interrogators who
know what they're doing. Stated that analysts had access to multiple parts of the
facility despite the fact that is was a DoD sponsored trip.
CNNEU* • CNN Europe

6/27120054:21:29 PM
~ Military commissions are going on right now. U.S. guards are angry that Gitmo
is being portrayed in a negative fashion in the media. Early abuses have been
"cleaned-up."
Colonel Jack Jacobs
(MSNBC interview - June 26; not available)
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Television
MSNBC
6/26/20059:35:56 AM
»He did not get any sense of abuse taking place. Stated that the DoD needs to be
more proactive about its Gitmo PR efforts. Valuable and actionable intelligence
is still being collected.
MSNBC
6/26/2005 10:38:56 AM
~ DoD has been very accommodating to Islamic practices at the Gitmo facilities
(Le. prayer rugs, ritually slaughtered meat, etc.) and conditions are changing for
the better.
MSNBC
6/26/2005 11 :47:47 AM
»Observed "relationship building" between the detainees and guards and discussed
the high quality of the Gitmo facilities.
MSNBC*
6/29/20053:32:44 PM
»Mentions there may have been abuse in the past but not now. Discussed the high
quality of the facility and the fact that there is still new information being
gathered.
Lieutenant Colonel Gordon Cucullu

(Articles: The Walton Reporter - New York; Democracy Project; The Right Approach
Radio: WABC - New York City, Dennis Prager - Los Angeles, KKLA . Los Angeles,
KABB - Los Angeles, Greg Allen - Tampa, WMET - Washington, D.C. KFI - Los
Angeles, KTFK - St.' Louis, Liberty Broadcasting - Nationally Syndicated, True North
Radio - Waterbury (VT), Greg Allen Show - Tampa - Not Available)
Print/Online
Interrogations at GITMO: Breaking Stere0U'[)es... *
(The One Republic Journal; Gordon Cucullu) - July 5
~ Observed interrogations while visiting Guantanamo and spoke of the importance
of building rapport with the detainees. New information continues to be collected
from detainees. Was impressed by the professionalism of the facility personnel at
the camp.
Abuse at G uantanamo: Reporting on a visit to Gitmo ... *

(The One Republic Journal; Gordon Cucullu) - June 28
» Attacks on American service members from prisoners are common. Inspection of
cells indicated "a far cry from the harshness of American maximum security
prisons." "Combatants are evil and dangerous."
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Mothering Terrorists at Gitmo it
(FrontPageMagazine.com ; Gordon Cucullu) - June 28

> Prisoners receive a 2,600-calorie diet. Facility personnel and guards are regularly
attacked and gaining information continues to be a challenge. He commended
personnel at the Gitmo facility.
What I Saw at Gitmo

(FrontPageMagazine.com; Gordon Cucullu) - June 27
)0> Observed interrogations and commented on the quality of medical care. He also
pointed out that the Korans handed out all have protective cases.
Television
.Fox News - fox and friends First
6/27/20056:23:12 AM
)0> Discussed the morale of prison guards despite public criticism of how the Gitmo
facility is run. Continue to build relationships with prisoners to gain actionable
intelligence. The camp continues to serve its purpose.
Fox News'" • Dayside with Linda Vester

6129/2005 1:42:06 PM
> Dangerous detainees regularly threaten guards and interrogations are necessary in
order to gain continued intelligence.
Major Dana R. ninon
PrintlOnline
Model Gitmo: Very far away from anything Amnesty claims.*
(National Review; Dana Dillon) - July I
)- Detainees are treated humanely and just. The Pentagon is holding U.S. personnel
who have previously mistreated prisoners accountable. The detention operations
at Gitmo playa "vital role" in the war on terror.
Lieutenant Colonel Robert Maginnis
Prin tJOnline
Commentary & News Briefs
(Agape Press; Compiled by lody Brown quoting Robert Maginnis on Gitmo) - June 27
)0> Observed the interrogation process and was impressed with the level of
professionalism at the camp. New intelligence is surfacing all the time.
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(Transcripts: June 25-27,2005)
Note: These are clips found as of 1500 Monday. More may follow.
Highlights:
~ General Montgomery Meigs

o WNBC~NY, 6/25: The 000 is starting to do a better job of telling the
Gitmo story, which is "professionally run."
o MSNBC News Live, 6/25: Compared Oitmo to the DoD Leavenworth
facility. All the right things, including interrogations, are being done
"correctly."
~ Command Sergeant Major Steven Greer
o Fox and Friends - 6/26: What we have done to "consistently ensure
humane treatment" is amazing ... the interrogations are "definitely
working."
~ Major General Donald W. Shepperd
o CNN American Morning, 6/27: Gitmo "bears no resemblance" to how it's
portrayed in the press. The guards are dedicated and doing "an extremely
tough job" with the dangerous detainees.
)- Colonel Jack Jacobs (three different clips)
o MSNBC: 6126: Gitmo is "a very nice facility." BU,t the DoD's invitation
for analysts to tour the facility was "long overdue ... " "There's nothing to
be ashamed of' and "it makes no sense" to close Gitmo.
o MSNBC, 6/26: Conditions at Gitmo have changed for the better over the
years.. , the soldiers "go out of their way" to accommodate Islam at the
prison
o MSNBC, 6/26: Conditions exceeded expectations - the cells are "high
tech." The interrogators are establishing relationships with detainees to
gain information, but "it takes time."
~ Lieutenant Colonel Gordon Cucullu
o Fox and Friends - 6/27/05: Gitmo is a "very smooth-working, operating
procedure that may have had problems in the beginning but is now up and
running." The facility and guards are "impressive."
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Transcripts:

(Found Weekend Today Show clip and MSNBC - this Weekend clip)
WNBC-NY (NBC) - Today

6/2512005 7:08:07 AM
Newscaster: Earlier this week a team of human rights experts at the United Nations
accused the U.S. of unfair treatment of detainees at Guantanamo Bay. And joining us this
morning from Washington, D.C., two NBC news analysts, both fonner generals, Barry
McCaffrey who's returned from a trip to Iraq and Montgomery Meigs, who recently
returned from, I believe, just yesterday, a visit to Guantanamo Bay. Good morning to
both of you...
Newscaster: General Meigs, let me tum to you and Guantanamo Bay. You were just
there at the invitation of the U.S. military. Give us your gen~ral impressions. Meigs:
Well, we went to just about every corner of the place. Escorted by Major General Hood,
the commander down there. There's been over $100 million of new construction. The
place is professionally run. I was impressed. Newscaster: isn't the debate though not so
much about exactly how prisoners are being treated there but more on whether or not
Guantanamo Bay has become a symbol? A symbol to the Muslim world and in particular
-- a recruitment tool for terrorists because of what it represents? Meigs: Well, I think the
problem we have is in terms of the general treatment of prisoners early on in the war. Let
me give you an example. The Red Cross just spent six weeks there interviewing
prisoners, going to every part of the prison. It's not an irretrievable situation. You're
going to have to have something like Guantanamo to hold these 500-odd terrorists who
were very seriously dedicated people. It might as well be Guantanamo as just the
Department of Defense is going to tell the story of what's really going on there. I think
they're starting to do a much better job of that now. Newscaster: General Meigs and
General McCaffrey, thank~ very much to both of you this morning.
MSNBC News Live

6/25/200511:20:12 AM
Newscaster: Meanwhile Guantanamo Bay isjust one of the fronts on the war on terror
causing frustration. Earlier I got a forehand account from two retired generals. They now
serve as analysts.
...General Meigs, thanks for your patience. You returned from a visit to Camp Delta in
Guantanamo Bay, a source of a lot of controversy. What were your perceptions there?
Meigs: The place is very professionally run. There's been $100 million spent in
construction, which has brought the facilities up to a very high standard in terms of
confinement facility. The confinements were sound:similar to what we use in the
Department of Defense facility at Leavenworth. We talked with the senior interrogation
heads, and interrogations were being done correctly - nothing like what you read in the
log in "Time" magazine... Looks to me like they've got that thing up and running
properly. Newscaster: But how much were you actually able to see? There's a lot of
controversy, because of the treatment of detainees during interrogations ... Amnesty and
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The Red Cross are both saying the prisoners may have been abused and that they were
not allowed to see all that was going on. Were you able (confirm?) Meigs: Yes. I know
the commander. He was trying to show us everything because he's got a good story to
tell. The Red Cross had just spent six weeks there interviewing prisoners, getting access
to any part of the facility. And as I understand it, secondhand, their issues concern
individual cells for prisoners, as opposed to two or three prisoners in a cell. That is not
unusual in confinement facilities, in that the prisoners can talk to each other cell-to-cell,
et cetera. So I would say as time goes on, this story is going to abate. They are doing the
right things at Guantanamo. Newscaster: I will have more on their thoughts on whether
the media is giving America the accurate picture of what's really happening in the war on
terror. Meanwhile, a look at your weather...

(Found Sunday Fox News clip; the Saturday clip was not available)
Fox News·· Fox and Friends Sunday

6/26/20059:45: 13 AM
Newscaster: There has been a lot of debate about conditions at Gitmo. Our next guest
said it is not the detainees who are getting abused but the prison guards. In Washington
to explain is command sergeant Steve Greer. He went to the facility and he was there for
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Sergeant, I saw you yesterday on shows and one of
the interesting things the points you made was you ate the food the detainees eat and it is
better than foods that the actual guards eat. It even costs more. Greer: Yes. That's
absolutely right. It is amazing the amount of steps that we have taken and put in place to
ensure there is a consistently humane treatment for all detainees. Some 520 currently
inside Gitmo. They've been there awhile. Newscaster: You sail;! the people being treated
harshly are the guards themselves. What you are also saying, Sergeant is that these
prisoners have not been broken in any way. Greer: Well, what I would tell you is that the
interrogation strategy down there is based on rapport building because that works. You
doo't tOllure detainees to gain infonnation - it's critical infonnation to fight the war on
terror, What they have done is designed a rapport building based on certain activities. If
you are not compliant you get less incentives. I watched a Libyan being'interrogated - he
was eating Hostess donuts and reading a magazine from the coast of Libya. Another
interrogation I watched (included) the detainee watching Martha Stewart Living and
drinking Seattle's Best Coffee. These are incentives given to detainees if they are
compliant if they continue to provide information to their interrogators. Newscaster: we
have had e-mails and discussed this as a talking point early in the show. We have had
people e-mail in to say this is nothing but a dog and pony show and of course conditions
will be good and respectful because you guys will be brought down there and everybody
knows it. What do you say to that? Greer: That's nonsense. That B roll footage you ran
there - that's camp x-ray - that thing has been gone for two years. There have been
millions of dollars of construction and operation costs put into the camps at Camp Delta.
Here's the deal. The International Red Cross has 24/7 access to detainees and they have
met with every single detainee. Not to mention, anybody who thinks that there is
something going on other than humane treatment there never served a day in the military
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because the soldiers and sailors I know would never put up with it. They wouldn't allow
this to go on....
Newscaster: Steve, this is what I want to know. We had interrogations.,. you witnessed
four of them. My question is, if these interrogations are indeed working, are we further
along on the intelligence trail? Are we any closer to cracking AI-Qaeda? Are we closer
to getting Osama bin Laden? Greer: I don't know. Yes, they are definitely working. I
spoke to the senior interrogator - a female who has been there two years, she said every
single week they gain credible information that helps us uncover the structure of a
Canadian and associated networks. Not to mention AI-Qaeda's pursuit of WMD, terrorist
techniques and skill sets the way they recruit, recruiting centers and locations as well as
how terrorist organizations used legitimate financial businesses as fronts to fund
terrorism. Newscaster: The interrogations you viewed - what were they like? Greer: it
was really hair-raising to watch the interrogations and to see an AI-Qaeda operative face
to-face with an American interrogator and interpreter. To see the cat and mouse game
that goes on... There was one individual who was leaning forward in his seat very focused
and attentive, with the detainee watching every word he said, he was there two years and
he was a leader within the camp itself.... Newscaster: thank you for joining us today.
Take care.
Major General Donald W. Shepperd
(Found CNN American Morning News and Friday live clip only; CNN Radio transcripts
not available)

6/27/20059:14:57 AM
Newscaster: On Friday, a group of former military leaders, who are now TV
commentators. also toured the prison. Don Sheppard was there. He's in Washington this
morning for us. Nice to see you, General. You went Friday. How long were you there?
What did you get to see? Shepperd: We were there the whole day. We got to see the
entire detention facility, talk to the guards, see interrogations, observe interrogations, and
talk to interrogators. We had pretty much free run of the place to talk to anyone we
wanted to talk to. Newscaster: What did you come away thinking? Shepperd: I came
away thinking what the congressional delegation said. What we saw in Guantanamo
bears no resemblance to what we are reading in the present press. Most of the people
writing about this, I believe, have never been there. We have impressions of an old
facility camp that was closed three years ago. We have a modem, well-constructed prison
guarded by very, very dedicated people, doing an extremely tough job in the midst of a
very dangerous people. Newscaster: Did you talk to interrogators there as well? What
kind of questions did you have for them? Shepperd: We talked to interrogators and
watched them at work as well. A lot of people have the impression of people at
Guantanamo, people with no rights and being mistreated. This is consistent with what I
heard from the interrogation training in Arizona, mistreatment does not work. You can't
get things out of people by torturing them. All it does is screw things up. You have to
establ ish rapport over a long period of time, keep the interrogations going and eventually
people will give you information that you then coordinate with other pieces of
information to bring you actionable intelligence and that's what's happening now.
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Newscaster: You had free run of the place and that you got to ~atch them at work pretty
much unfettered for a day. Isn't it fair to, well, if there's abuse going on it sure isn't going
to happen while the U.S. Congressional delegation is going through and certainly not
while former people who are now analysts on TV, are hanging out in town? I mean, it
seems to me, obviously you wouldn't see those things, I think that's fair to say, isn't it?
Shepperd: Absolutely. They put their best foot forward. In any prison situation you have
to continually guard against abuses. There have been abuses at Guantanamo in the past. I
think they have been fixed and they're constantly on the alert for them. What we saw was
a bunch of dedicated people that are really mad and feel attacked by the things coming
out in the print press about this. They say, I don't know where these people are getting
information. They haven't been here, and I haven't seen it going on. Newscaster: not only
coming out in the print press, journalists who haven't had a chance to visit, talking about
Amnesty International, they called Guantanamo modem gulag, the IRC said tactics were
tantamount to torture. IRC comes by frequently to check on prisoners. They're there all
the time. The same with Amnesty International, they are people there. These are not
journalists typing on computers in another state and never have left the country.
Shepperd: The International Red Cross has access 24 hours a day 7 days a week at
times and place of their choosing. You've got to realize that people think about
Guantanamo as in previous wars where you captured detainees and hold them until the
end of the war and release them. Guantanamo is detaining people, keeping them off of
the battlefield, releasing ones not guilty and punishing and bringing to military tribunals
ones that are. That's what we saw going on. And I believe that's what's going on now,
after some rough starts. Newscaster: What do the interrogators tell you about
infonnation they're getting from folks who remain detained there? Shepperd: These
people have been here, some, two, three years. Newscaster: Are you still getting
valuable information? Shepperd: Absolutely yes. You get bits and pieces. New people
coming in all of the time, new faces, they reconfirm new things and go into databases line
things up, they say we've gotten a lot of information to prevent attacks in this country and
other countries with the information they're getting from these people and it's still
valuable. Fonner Air Force Major General Don Shepperd joining us CNN military
analyst back from Gitmo. Thanks for talking with us.
Live from CNN

(6/24/05 2:50 p.m.)
NeWSCAster: We have just established a line to Guantanamo Bay to our military
analyst, General Don Shepperd. He arrived there as part of a trip put together by the
Pentagon in the wake of that human rights report that criticized conditions at the prison
for war detainees. General Shepherd is on the phone with us right now. What do you
see? Shepperd: I'm seeing a Jot of rain right now. We're in the middle of a drenching
rainstorm. Every American should have a chance to see what our group saw today. The
impressions you're getting from the media and from pronouncements of people who have
not been here are false. What we're seeing is a modem prison system with dedicated
people, interrogators who know what they're doing. And people are being well treated.
We had a chance to tour the facility, eat what the prisoners eat, we1ve seen people being
interrogated. It's nothing like the impression from the media.
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Newscaster: You said you got to talk to the interrogators and guards. What have they
told you? Shepperd: The interrogators, we have the opinions that people have been
mistreated. Everyone we talked to, and this is consistent with things I have known in the
past, every interrogator will tell you the key is a relationship based on respect.
Eventually, they will begin to talk and you get pieces of information you can fit together
with pieces of information from somewhere else. Pressure doesn't work, disrespect
doesn't work, and torture is counterproductive. That came from everyone, men and
women. who were interrogators down here. Newscaster: This leads me to my next
question. Of course, this was a trip organized by the Pentagon. Do you feel like you're
getting full access? Are you seeing a true picture? Shepperd: That's a good question.
They are proud to have people down here to see what we're seeing. Obviously, they're
going to put their best foot forward, and obviously, there will be abuses or people
disobeying the regulations. J have been in prisons and jails in the United States, and this
is by far the most dedicated force I've ever seen in any correctional institution anywhere.
Newscaster: You mentioned you have spoken with guards. What are they saying?
Shepperd: Very interesting. I had lunch with one of the female guards and then I talked
to a group of male guards as well. I said, do you ever see anything that goes on that
. resembles mistreatment of prisoners or mistreatment by the prisoners of guards. They
say they're on alert at all times. They're not anned when they're around the guards (sic
meant to say "prisoners"). You don't do that because obviously weapons can be taken
and used against you. But basically, they treat the prisoners firmly with respect. They
don't engage in a lot of banter with them. They say the prisoners do things that we've
heard about in the media. They sometimes get riled and will throw feces, they'll throw
urine at the guards. But this entire system is based upon compliance. In other words, if
you comply with the rules, you're gonna be treated well, you'll be given more privileges
just like any detention facility, and if you don't, your life is going to be much more
miserable than those who do. So, all of the guards seem to be very professional. None of
them that I have talked to have observed anything in the way of mistreatment or any
really bad incidents. The biggest thing they say is violence between the prisoners
themselves. A lot of the prisoners don't like each other. They're from different countries.
Newscaster: On the flipside, have you had access to the prisoners themselves and what
are their conditions? Shepperd: We have not had access to the prisoners themselves.
We are told what they are and we have seen all the facilities. We have watched
interrogations. We just watched interrogations of two high-value prisoners who have
been here for a considerable amount of time. The facilities are basic of prisons
anywhere. We have seen the cell said. They're 7 x 8 cells. They're clean. they have a
toilet in the facility. They have a water fountain in the facility. They have a bed. They
are given the Koran. They're given a mattress. They're given clothes, recreational things
such as playing cards, chess, checkers, that type ofthing. We have not had access to talk
to the prisoners and, again, that's one thing you've got to be very careful of. You want to
establish a prisoner relationship with the interrogators and not have that proliferated with
other people. Newscaster: Let's back up for just a moment because you said you
watched an interrogation. Explain to us how that played out and were there any instances
of abuse or possible abuse? Shepperd~ Absolutely not. BasicaIIy, you're able to observe
interrogations. When you say, "we watched them," I want to be very careful about how I
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describe this. I do not want to describe how we watched it. The·y have various ways of
monitoring the interrogations. With the interrogations we watched, there were
interrogators, translators who translated for the detainee, and there were also intelligence
people in there. They're basically asking questions. They ask the same questions over a
long period oftime. They get infonnation about the person's family, where are they from,
who they know, what they do. All of the things you would want in a criminal
investigation. These were cordial, very professional. There was even laughing in two of
them. Newscaster: Laughing in an interrogation? Shepperd: Yes. It's not like the
impression that we have where people bend people's arms and mistreat people. They're
trying to establish a firm professional relationship where they have respect with each
other and can talk to each other. Yes, there was laughing and humor going on in a couple
ofthese things. I'm talking about a remark made where someone will smirk or laugh or
chuckle. Newscaster: We appreciate your time and that look inside Gitmo
with you being there. Thank you for that. We invite you to stay tuned.
Colonel Jack Jacobs

(Found three MSNBC clips and NBC Weekend Nightly News clip)
MSNBC
6/26/2005 9:35:56 AM:
Newscaster: ... possible prisoner abuse in Guantanamo Bay, lawmakers from both sides
of the aisle tour the site this weekend. They say conditions are improving for prisoners.
Military escorts took a house delegation through cellblocks, interrogation rooms, and
troops' barracks. Our own military analyst was also given a tour of Guantanamo Bay
earlier this week; retired army Colonel Jack Jacobs joins us with a little more insight.
First up, before we get to Guantanamo Bay, about that report in the Sunday Times about
U.S. officials meeting with insurgent leaders, tell us a little about what that might mean.
Jacobs: I think we're reaching out to try to find some solution to the problem of
continued violence by this group of people that we call collectively the insurgency, trying
to meet with these guys and figure out ifthere's some way that we can ameliorate the
situation. I can't get any confirmation that it actually took place. But I can tell you this -
unless you meet with every one of these guys, including Al-Zarqawi's mob, you're not
going to get anything.
Newscaster: Well, Secretary Rumsfeld has said it was Iraqis meeting with insurgent
leaders. Was there a difference there? Would they not do it with the U.S. military?
Jacobs: They might do it with the U.S.'s approval, but not with the U.S. or any
combination of those things. And it's possible and plausible that the Iraqis themselves
would meet with the insurgency leaders. But if they're going to do it, they've got to get all
of the insurgency leaders together. The thing is so fragmented, unless they get them all to
agree it's not going to work.
Newscaster: Now to Guantanamo Bay. Tell us about the cells themselves also where the
prisoners are detained. What are they like?
Jacobs: Well, the older cells, of course, are older. But the new cellblocks, which a new
cellblock is patterned directly after a high security prison in Indiana, and it's the state of
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the art facility. The cells are very, very good indeed. The detainees have the capability to
talk to other detainees and inmates. They can do things like play checkers with them and
so on, even in the higher security blocks. It's a very nice facility, to be honest with you. If
you've got to be in prison, it's not a bad place to be.
Newscaster: We're seeing a lot of high-profile visits to Guantanamo Bay is it part of a
PR ploy? We now recognize that we've been watching pictures from three years ago,
since abandoned. Now Camp Delta, an entirely different location in that facility in
Guantanamo Bay. What's going on here?
Jacobs: Well, I think the Defense Department has been way behind the eight .ball. This
story had been building up over a period of time. You said yourself, the x-ray pictures are
three years old and we've still been showing them. The Defense Department has waited;
instead of getting ahead of the story and saying, why don't you come on down and take a
look at this thing. We'll show you what it's really like, but has waited until now to do it.
Long overdue. I think that the story -- the story is one in which we can get a good view of
what's actually taking place. There's nothing necessarily to be ashamed of.. The facilities
there are actually quite good. And the story is an interesting and important one that the
Defense Department should have shown us before. They need to learn from this, that it
doesn't make any sense to wait, get everybody down there, show them the stuff at the
very beginning, and they would be lots better off.
Newscaster: We spoke to two retired Generals yesterday. Alex just spoke to two
lawmakers who said conditions there, and you yourself saw that conditions there are
better or good. Does that mean, however that, the reputation, the image, has not been too
tarnished, that this camp should in fact stay open?
Jacobs: Well, the reputation is tarnished, period. I don't know if you're going to be able
to improve the reputation in the Islamic world, no matter what you do. At the end of the
day, the intelligence value of Guantanamo is so high, and I've seen both unclassified and
classified briefings down there. But I can tell you that the intelligence value is so high
that it makes no sense whatsoever to close it down. And we're still getting infonnation
from detainees who have been there for three years.
MSNBC
6/26/2005 10:38:56 AM
Newscaster: Retired Army Colonel Jack Jacobs, welcome as always.
Jacobs: Good morning.
Newscaster: A report in the "Sunday Times" of London, about meetings between U.S.
officials disputed by Donald Rumsfeld, and Iraqi insurgents. Any way you slice that, it's
still problematic because the insurgency is not a coherent group, could you tell us about
that?
Jacobs: I tried to check to see whether or not it was true and so far, nobody's talking
about it. It's plausible that we will have, that we would have had meetings with these
guys. But one of the points that you mention, that it's difficult, if you can't assemble
everybody who is participating in this very fragmented insurgency, we call it an
insurgency like it's one centrally-organized thing, it's not. ..
Newscaster: Let's go to Guantanamo Bay. The respect or disrespect of Islam. Now we
talked earlier about some of the cells and conditions there. What about Islam itself? Did
you get any sense of how fair it is there?
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Jacobs: Sure. Not only what happened before, and people make mistakes and you're sure
mistakes have been made in the past. The law of large numbers says eventually
something bad may have happened. I can tell you right now that they go really, from my
standpoint, way out of their way to accommodate Islam. Ritually slaughtered meat is
flown in from Florida. The meals that they ate, I can tell you that you can't eat that much
food, to be honest with you. The each, each detainee gets a prayer rug, prayer oil, prayer
beads. He's got a niche in his cell for his Koran, so that it doesn't inadvertently get
desecrated. Every conceivable horizontal surface you can think. of has got an arrow
stenciled on it. Any place that a detainee can be, interrogation room, out in the exercise
yard in the cell, to show which way to tum, whic,h way is Mecca, so he can pray.
Newscaster: Are these changes? Is this an updating in the system? Because the reports,
remember the log story about how the 20th hijacker was treated three years ago or two
years ago.
Jacobs: That was a long time -ago.
Newscaster: Do you have a sense that this is newly implemented?
Jacobs: This is the sense, I think. some of the changes, the large majority of them have
been evolutionary, the kind of conditions we have there now, were not, were not existing
three years ago. They've been changing for the better. And I think. one of the reasons
we've done it is less because ofthe international concern about it. but because you get
more information out of these guys ifyou treat them properly. And they're properly
treated and we're getting lots of information from them. Information we didn't get before.
Newscaster: Better with honey than vinegar.
Jacobs: It works every time.
MSNBC
6/26/200511:47;47 AM
Newscaster: Meanwhile, we'll get insight from our own military analyst, also given a
tour of Guantanamo Bay earlier this week. Retired Army Colonel jack Jacobs, welcome
as always.
Jacobs: Good morning again.
Newscaster: Tell us a Iiule bit •• earlier you talked about the cells and the food. Tell us
about specifically about the interrogations you were able to witness.
Jacobs: We saw a number of interrogations. Some fairly high profile and extremely
dangerous detainees. And they used different techniques. The whole idea is to get closer
to the detainees, so he can feel comfortable with you and therefore give you the
infonnation you require. You're not going to get any good information from somebody
you beat up. He's going to tell you whatever he thinks you want to hear so that you'll
stop. So they've been working hard over the last few years to gain the trust of these
detainees. Some of them are very, very high-level and hard-core people. And it works, it
works. I saw one, one detainee, whenever there's a session, he won't talk unless he gets
his stuff. What's his stuff? A Twix candy bar, you can't make this up. A cup of Seattle's
best coffee and the latest edition of "" Martha Stewart Living."" and then he'll start
talking. '
Newscaster: And is that because Martha Stewart....
Jacobs: I have no idea. Are you establishing real trust with these people, if you 'have an
interrogator and analyst, who over time, develops trust with the detainees.
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Newscaster: Is that a change in a tactics? We had heard before the complaints of the FBI
agents who were sent to various locations who witnessed military interrogations or
perhaps those by the contractors or reservists in Iraq. Who at one point were doing some
of them? Is that a change in tactics?
Jacobs: I think. in some areas it's a change. In many areas, it's not. Because the American
military people recognize that ifyou, if you establish trust you're going to get the
information you require ultimately. But I think overall it's a recognition that it's going to
take time and you have to establish a working relationship with the detainee. There's one
interrogator I saw, who is a very motherly type. And this is the interrogator who finely
got this one detainee to spill everything because he felt some sort of close relationship
with this woman, who over time developed a personal intellectual relationship with him.
Newscaster: Did you see what you expected to see when you took this tour?
Jacobs: No. I'm something ofa skeptic. And a doubter. I've always been, I was very
surprised to see what I saw. I expected the facilities to be very rustic. They are not, they
are in very good shape and they are in new high-tech containment cells. I did not expect
civilians to be interrogating the prisoners. I didn't expect to see the little contact with
military people and detainees.

(Found the Fox News clip only. Radio transcripts for KKLA Frank Pastore, Al Rondel
Show. Greg Allen Show, KTFK Crane & Smash and True North Radio with Laurie
Morrow not available)
Fox News (Fox and Friends First)

6/27/20056:23:12 AM
Newscaster: Because he's just back from Guantanamo Bay. He spent a lot oftime in the
military. Former Green Beret, Colonel, thank you for joining us. What did you see when
you got over to Gitmo? CuculIu: Good morning, Brian. I saw an impressive situation
there. We're talking about a very smooth-working, operating procedure that may have
had problems in the beginning but is now up and running. The facility is quite adequate
for what the mission is. And the troops were extraordinarily impressive from top to
bottom. I had an opportunity to dine with them, to work with them, and it really was
amazing. Brian: First off, do the troops realize the amount of pressure and focus is on
Gitmo? Cucullu: Oh, it's unbelievable. They get -- you know, they get Fox News down
there. They get emails; they talk to their friends and relatives here in the states. And
they're quite aware, not only of the overall situation, but they're extremely aware when
you hear off the wall comments by people like Senators Kennedy and Durbin, that attack
them personally, and the great thing is that rather than hurt their morale, what this really
does is it raises the bar for them. They say we're going to be even better than we were
before, just to prove to these guys how professional we are. Brian: In teoos of what you
observed first-hand, what do you know now that you didn't know before you walked on
to the island? Cucullu: Well, quite a few things, Brian. The first thing I know for sure is
that there's no torture going on down there. And that these people are being kept in a way
that's very humane. probably more so than even your average maximum security prison
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in the United States. The other thing is that Surprised me is the fact that we're stilI getting
what we would call actionable, usable intelligence infonnation interrogations with these
guys, and that I hadn't expected, and so I was very pleased to see that, because what it
shows is that the process is working and that there really is a reason, other than the fact
that these are very evil terrible people, who keep this system working. Brian: The FBI
report that says they used dogs chained to the floor, forced to go to the bathroom on
themselves, everything like that, do you understand that that is proven true, but that was
the old system or is that considered a false report? Cucullu: I don't know what
happened in the past, and it's tough for me to evaluate that particular report, although it
sounds a bit hyperbolic to me. We went through several of the camps, we actually
watched several ongoing interrogations and we had a chance to talk to the troops on a
one-on-one basis over a meal, which was a detainee's meal, it proved to me that there's
absolutely nothing like that going on now. In fact, many of us were a bit shocked at the
leniency that the command is showing toward the prisoners, the detainees, because in
many cases the real abuse going on down there that we don't hear about is that every day
when these guards, our young men and women go into the blocks, they're assaulted by
the detainees throw feces, urine, semen, spit. They're vilified, threatened; their families
are threatened with death. If they go into the cell with these guys, they're personally
attacked. They try to scratch their eyes out, pull their mouths and stuff, and break their
hands. It's very dangerous, and these kids are very brave and professional for putting up
with it and not reacting in a way that maybe you and I would if we put up with the same
threat. Brian: When you talk about interrogations, you say relationships are being built.
Why? Cucullu: Because they feel that you get -- it's like the old .- the old saying, you
get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. These people are working with them
over a long period of time, the interrogators are establishing a relationship with the
prisoners, and what they're finding is that in many cases, it's an ego thing, Brian. These
detainees are proud of what they did, they're proud of the fact that they have tried to kill
Americans, and Westerners and will do so in the future. They brag about it. They openly
boast about it. And they -- we're finding out things about financing, about Al Qaeda
organizations and training, about operations that took place in the past and may happen in
the future, so this is all -- is essential for the security of the United States that we continue
the interrogation process down there. Brian: Last question, there's no way to ever show
you if there was something to hide in Gitmo, the average person watching at home says
(they) never show you what was wrong at Gitmo. What makes you think that you got the
real story? Cucullu: Because we saw hundreds of people, we saw almost every cell and
confinement facility down there. It's simply impossible, Brian, to have a conspiracy on
that level and that magnitude. There were 10 of us along; we were speaking to the troops
over a meal. If somebody had a complaint or a problem, they would have indicated it to
one of us and we would have been able to share that. This business about these vast
conspiracies is really overstated. Plus we do what we're looking for. You know, we're not
rookies at this, and we've inspected military units before. You can tell the pride, the
honesty, and the pride that comes from these troops. Brian: Thanks again for joining us.
Cucullu: Great to be on with you. Brian: In and out' of Cuba,. not an easy thing to do.
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Gitmo, In and Out
It was a quick trip, a long day, down and back, 7 hours in a military jet, plus all day viewing the
detention center - ten of us, media military analysts, defense writers, think tankers, all invited to Guantanamo
Bay, Cuba to hear briefings, view the detention center, visit with guards and interrogators and watch
interrogations. Did we drink the "government Kool-Aid?" - of course, and that was the purpose of the trip
which was put together in response to recent press criticisms that the government and DoD consider grossly
unfair, fallacious and mostly written by people who have not visited the "new" Camp Delta which has replaced
the old Camp X-ray, closed three years ago and often still seen in TV footage used by the networks. Realizing
that a one-day visit does not an expert make, and that the government was obviously going to put its best foot
forward to get out its message, and further that fonner military visitors are more likely to agree with government
views than a more appropriately skeptical press, we launched with gusto into our visit.
One must understand a couple of things about Gitmo - in the middle ofa war, it isn't meant to be a
replication of the U.S civilian justice system, but there is a well-defined process, a Combatant Status Review
Tribunal (CSRT), that in layman's terms acts much like a cross between a civilian arraignment and a grand jury
process - detainees are sent to Guantanamo after the CSRT issues a "reason to believe" they are among Taliban
and AI Qaeda terrorist trainers, bomb makers, VBL bodyguards, recruiters, trainers and financiers, and their ilk.
While incarcerated, each detainee has an Administrative Review Board (ARB - similar to a parole board) at
least once a year that reviews irunate status and makes a recommendation to continue detention, release, or
transfer, usually back to the country of origin.
70,000 detainees have been captured in the Global War on Terror. Most have been released. About 800
have been sent to Gitmo with 235 having been released or transferred and another 61 awaiting release. At least
12 of those released have returned to the battlefield, being captured again, or killed. Guantanamo is about
keeping "the worst of the worst" off the battlefield until the GWOT is over, using interrogations to gain
intelligence that will prevent attacks in the U.S. and elsewhere, and finally, subjecting those suspected of crimes
to military commissions (tribunals). At tribunals, which are essentially military trials, the accused is presumed
innocent and has access to legal representation. Four tribunals are in progress with another dozen likely to begin
soon in a modern courtroom constructed much like you would find in any American courthouse. There will be
more tribunals. The death penalty is a possibility. Predictions are it will be used sparingly, if at all.
The view that detainees are held incommunicado without rights is wrong. One may disagree with the adequacy
of the system, but there is indeed a system designed to protect and guarantee individual rights. One federal court
agrees the system is adequate, one disagrees. This must be worked out before tribunals can proceed apace. There
may be further changes in the system.
Facilities at Guantanarno resemble a modem state, or federal prison with semi-pennanent buildings.
There are detention cells for groups and individuals, and maximum security cells for high risk or non-compliant
prisoners. Showers and exercise areas are also maintained along with medical facilities and facilities for
handicapped. Medical care is likely the best many have see in their lifetime. Some have never had any dental
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care. Interestingly, despite significant health problems and war injuries, no detainee has died at Guantanamo.
Food is good - I ate one meal, a vegetarian meal, composed of garbanzo beans, com, potatoes and pita
bread. It was well-seasoned and tasty. Detainees are served three meals a day.
We observed four interrogations of "high value targets" - really bad guys. We talked at length with
interrogators who told us mistreatment simply does not work and that one must establish rapport with detainees
over many interrogations to get useful information. Almost everyone eventually talks and information gained is
recorded and c.orrelated in data base·s. A classified briefing showed us the information obtained on Al Qaeda
operations worldwide. It was amazing. Even after two-three years ofinternment many detainees are still
providing useful information.
Early allegations of mistreatment at Guantanamo and elsewhere have been investigated and some substantiated,
Those found guilty have been punished. Gitmo has come a long way in training and supervising guards and
interrogators to ensure firm but fair treatment of detainees. Everyone knows the rules and is expected to follow'
them. Infractions by U.S. personnel are taken seriously.
The guards with whom we talked were a mixture of Military Police from all services and other skills that
had been pressed into service with on the j ob training. They looked sharp and seemed well-motivated. Guards,
interrogators and staff all expressed anger at press charges about systematic mistreatment at Gitmo - they all
said, it simply doesn't happen. Guards were for the most part young kids who seemed serious about their jobs
and proud of what they were doing. We saw no evidence of mistreatment, nor would one expect to on a planned
visit, but guards and interrogators repeated - torture and roughing people up simply doesn't work and in fact is
not only illegal, but counter-productive - U.S prison guards will tell you the same thing - I believe them. I don't
think systematic mistreatment could occur at Guantanamo now - it is too tightly run,
We did not talk to detainees, rules prevent it, but the Red Cross does - they have access 24/7 at times
and places of their choosing. All detainees are registered with the ICRC and their home countries and families
have been notified. They can send and receive mail. Had we talked to detainees, I suspect we would have heard
what their training manuals teach - tell people you have been tortured - the Americans are soft, without stamina
or stomach for this fight. Keep your mouth shut, tell them nothing and you will be out in two-three years (good
guess).
I think Guantanamo is a well-run place. I think much has been done to correct earlier shortcomings in a very
difficult environment. Army Brigadier General Jay Hood, the commander of Joint Task Force, Guantanamo is
my kind ofguy - a no-nonsense soldier that is on top of the situation, knows his troops, trains, motivates and
supervises them well and expects them to follow the rules.
I wish very American could visit Guantanamo - I think they would be proud of our troops and comforted
that we are doing our best to treat a group of very dangerous people fairly while keeping them off the battlefield
and gaining intelligence that will keep them from killing others. Until this war is over, I don't know where else
you would do these difficult tasks better. Calls to close Guantanamo are mis-guided. The pall of Abu Gharaib
hangs over our heads. The damage done to the U.S. image by a handful of poorly-trained and supervised jerks
isn't being repeated at Guantanamo - keep it open, keep a close watch and keep those dangerous guys off the
battlefield until this war is over - that's what Guantanmo is about and I think they do it well.
Did we drink too much Kool-Aid? I don't know, but when I am in doubt, I try to fall back and rely on
common sense and experience - after almost 40 y'ears in the military, what I saw made sense - good, sincere,
dedicated people doing about what I would do in a tough situation if I were in their shoes - I am comforted.
Guantanamo isn't a "club-Med" as some have bantered, but is surely isn't a "gulag."
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Vacancy at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba
Steven J. Greer
26 June 2005
"Club Gitmo?" Perhaps Rush Limbaugh had a crystal ball when he compared the Guantanamo Bay
Detention Facility to luxurious Club Med resorts. Not to be outdone by the conservative radio critic,
Senators Dick Durbin and Robert Byrd gazed into their own crystal balls. What they saw is chilling
torture chambers, gulag tactics, human rights violations! Truth be told, Guantanamo is neither a
resort nor gulag.
"We conduct confinement and interrogation of the worst of the worst terrorist operatives," remarked
Brigadier General Jay Hood, Commander, JTF-Guantanamo Bay. Sound pretty straightforward? Not
hardly. Hood and his professional task force of soldiers, sailors, coastguardsman, and civilians
operate under increased scrutiny of late. They spend an enormous amount of time responding to
international pressures, uninformed criticisms, and irresponsible journalism. "Every crazy story
impacts our mission," said Command Sergeant Major Angel Febles. No doubt! Camp Derta is tied
up 2-3 times a week conducting "dog & pony" shows for VIP's and international media. Nonetheless,
Hood and company remain stoic, focused, and unwavering.
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Since,September 11,2001, more than 70,000 enemy combatants have been captured in Afghanistan
and Iraq. The majority released or confined in facilities abroad. Only a fraction of suspected Taliban
or AI Oaeda associates have "checked-in," reaping the pleasures and comforts associated with
Camp Delta. Perks such as ice cream, air-conditioned cells, prayer rugs, checker board games,
volleyball, and state of the art medical care. Detainees - political correctness for extremists who wish
to kill us - eat three squares a day, peruse Martha Stewart Living, and play soccer. Sound like
torture?
So what do reasonable people make of reports of wide spread abuse? One recent delegation of
military analysts learned first hand - abuse is pervasive and indiscriminate! Individuals are being spit
on, head butted, peppered with feces and urine on a weekly basis. Unfortunately for Durbin, and
Byrd, the recipients of such vulgar treatment are not detainees; they are guards
American Soldiers and Sailors.
Americans shouldn't be at all surprised. Camp Delta isn't home to alter boys - there are bomb
makers, terrorist facilitators, UBL body-guards, and would-be suicide bombers. Some 800 total
unlawful enemy combatants have been detained at Guantanamo. All are Taliban or AI Oaeda
associates. Several hundred have been released or transferred pursuant to the Combatant Status
Review Tribunal and Administrative Review Board process. Cumbersome processes akin to working
a rubrics cube blindfolded.
Approximately 520 detainees remain at Camp Delta. Of these, 1DO' are suspected of possessing
high-value intelligence information. These "magnificent" 100 are interrogated routinely. About 35%
are compliant. the balance combative, hostile, and uncooperative. Think we torture' these folks? Not
hardly. Peering through single-sided glass one gets a sense of just how cunning, dangerous, and
elusive this enemy can be. Yet we don't use torture? "The most effective way to draw credible
information is through rapport building, not force," quipped a senior female analyst with 3 years at
Guantanamo. One detainee favored hostess donuts...eating a dozen (With his left hand) while his
interrogator patiently asked questions. Another flipped through pages of Divers World magazine
(he's from the coast of Libya and enjoys the water). While another carefully sipped Seattle's Best
Coffee. Incentives - a small price to pay to save lives.
Interrogation is a cat and mouse game. "It's a chess match; both interrogator and detainee are
hanging on every word," remarked one senior interrogator. Analysts at Camp Delta continue to
receive information that saves lives and uncovers AI Oaeda networks. Every detainee has a story to
tell and is a potential treasure trove of information. So what makes a detainee want to talk?
"Rapport building...that's the strategy that we employ and it's effective," said General Hood. And
Hood takes this strategy seriously. For example, detainees are free to practice their Muslim faith.
Hood ordered small, black arrows painted on each bunk and in all common areas...the arrow points
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toward Meccal He also ordered the playing of the Muslim "ca ll to prayer" over the camp loudspeaker
5 times per day. Sound like a Gulag?
The result of such pampt;!red care is undeniable. More then 4,000 reports capture information
provided by detainees, much of it corroborated by other intelligence reporting. This unprecedented
body of knowledge has expanded our understanding of AI Oaeda and other associated networks.
Many detainees have admitted close relationships to senior AI Oaeda leadership· providing valuable
insights into the structure, training. goals, and financial mechanisms. Guantanamo Bay is our only
strategic interrogation center and is imperative to prosecuting the war on terrorism.
Lessons learned are advancing the operational art of intelligence and development of strategic
interrogations doctrine. Moreover, they speak to the professionalism exhibited by hundreds of men
and women deployed to Cuba to protect our freedoms. Not quite a resort and certainly not a gulag,
perhaps Limbaugh, Durbin, and Byrd have time to visit? The sign reads, "Vacancy at Guantanamo
Bay, Cuba," and General Hood and company are gracious hosts.
Author: Steven J. Greer is a Professor at American Military University and fellow with the National Defense Council
Foundation. He recently visited Camp Delta.
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Participants in this conference call wi II be: Dr. William Winkenwerder, assistant secretary of defense for health
affairs and Cmdr. Cary Ostergaard, detainee hospital commander, JTF GTMO. Your host for this call will be
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I did a Fox & Friends hit at 0620 this moming. Good emphasis on 1) no torture, 2) detainees abuse guards, 3) continuing
source of vital intel.
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By Jed Babbin
Published 2/14/2005 12 :06:15 AM
Legend ~- not history -- tells us that Gen. John "Black Jack" Pershing quelled a Mora uprising in
the Philippines in about 1911 by burying insurrectionists' bodies with slaughtered pigs. The Muslim
insurgents supposedly gave up after a few such incidents, because -- according to religious law -
this would prevent their dead from reaching heaven. In the 1935 flick Lives of a Bengal Lancer, tough
guy Gary Cooper threatens a Muslim prisoner with this treatment, and the man immediately breaks
down, giving Coop the location where the bad guys are holding his colonel's son hostage. The
question now arises: How, if at all, can we use the religious beliefs of a prisoner to break down his
resistance and extract information?
We are in the first stages of another "prisoner abuse" mess. Both the Washington Post and Maureen
Dowd are suffering a severe case of the vapors over revelations that female interrogators at the
Guantanamo Bay, Cuba terrorist detention facility are sexually taunting prisoners, aiming at Muslim
religious beliefs to pressure the hard cases to break. The title of Dowd's January 30 column, "Torture
Chicks Gone Wild," shows you where this argument is going. It is usually sufficient that Dowd is
against something to prove we should be for it but, in this case, we need to parse it out a bit before
we make a decision. .
According to the February 10 Washington Post stOry, "female interrogatots regularly violated Muslim
taboos about sex and contact with women. The women rubbed their bodies against the men, wore
skimpy clothes in front of them, made sexually explicit remarks and touched them provocatively."
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Dowd's column picked up on another point. saying that the U.S. is "allowing its female interrogators
to try to make Muslim men talk in late-night sessions featuring sexual touching, displays of fake
menstrual blood, and parading in miniskirt, tight T-shirt, bra and thong underwear." Which, minus the
fake blood, is not a lot different from what Monica was doing with Lil' Billy in the Oval Office.
There are two issues here. First, is it beyond the pale to use a person's religious beliefs against him
in interrogations? Second, are sexually aggressive interrogation techniques that stop short of sexual
abuse and torture either illegal or immoral?
Start with the motivation of the terrorists. They believe that they are serving their religion by their acts.
There's no use in arguing the point with them. The Koran, as they interpret it, requires holy war
against the American aggressor who comes to the Middle East to destroy their religion. That is their
dogma, their belief that is so deeply felt that they are eager to sacrifice their lives in its service. It is
this belief that strengthens them, and makes them highly resistant to normal interrogation techniques.
We rule out torture. Our laws and the International Convention Against Torture tell us what the limits
are. Nothing says we cannot attack the beliefs that the terrorists hold most dear. No one would
question sending a tough black FBI agent in to question a Ku Klux.Klan member harshly. Putting
someone that the prisoner fears and reviles in control of the interrogation is a very good step toward
shattering the prisoner's mental defenses. It's one of the best ways to succeed in an interrogation.
Mr. Jim Guirard has been fighting valiantly, and so far in vain, to get us to start calling the terrorists
"mufsidoon," the Arabic word for a criminal whose crimes violate the laws of Islam. It's a better label
than "jihadist" -- holy warrior -- which honors the enemy wrongly. Would it be an attack on a
prisoner's religion to force him to wear a jumpsuit that had "mufsidoon" painted on the back in large
letters? Of course not. It's not an attack on the religion of Islam, it's an attack on the prisoner's
motivation to be a terrorist. Putting a scantily clad woman interrogator in charge of the interrogation is
really no different. These aren't Muslim holy men. They're outlaws and we need to show them that we
have no respect for them or their perversion of Islam.
What went on at the Abu Ghraib prison went far beyond sexual provocation. In many cases, it was
sexual abuse. That is why Pvt. Lynndie England and some of her pals will be doing hard time in jail.
But where do we draw the line? And how do we prevent interrogators from crossing it?
Our civilian society has become overly sensitized to sexual harassment. The career of a male boss -
civilian or military -- can be ended quickly by an incautious remark to a female subordinate. We
cannot afford to allow this heightened sensitivity to control the interrogation of terrorist prisoners
whose knowledge we must obtain to save lives.
Should it be forbidden for a female interrogator to rub her breasts against a prisoner and then laugh
at the result? Should she be prohibited from wearing a thong in his presence and taunting his
manhood? I think not. Should we require female interrogators to do these things? Certainly not.
Where the line can be drawn in interrogation of terrorist prisoners is unclear. Sexual abuse: rape,
forced sexual acts of any nature, are abhorrent and must continue to be prohibited. Below that
threshold, we must guard against establishing limits that are false, and can prevent successful
interrogations.
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POST aVANT ANAMO VISIT
(Transcripts: June 25-27, 2005)
Note: These are clips found as of 1500 Monday. More may follow.
Highlights:
~ General Montgomery Meigs

o WNBC-NY, 6/25: The DoD is starting to do a better job ofteHing the
Gitmo story, which is "professionally run."
o MSNBC News Live, 6/25: Compared Gitmo to the DoD Leavenworth
facility. All the right things, including interrogations, are being done
"correct! y."
~ Command Sergeant Major Steven Greer
o Fox and Friends - 6/26: What we have done to "consistently ensure
humane treatment" is amazing... the interrogations are "definitely
working."
>- Major General Donald W. Shepperd
o CNN American Moming, 6/27: Gitmo "bears no resemblance" to how it's
portrayed in the press. The guards are dedicated and doing Ilan extremely
tough job" with the dangerous detainees.
>- Colonel Ja~k Jacobs (three different cUps)
o MSNBC: 6/26: Gitmo is "a very nice facility." But the DoD's invitation
for analysts to tour the facility was "long overdue ..." "There's nothing to
be ashamed of' and "it makes no sense" to close Gitmo.
o MSNBC, 6/26: Conditions at Gitmo have changed for the better over the
years... the soldiers "go out of their way" to accommodate Islam at the
prison
o MSNBC, 6/26: Conditions exceeded expectations - the cells are "high
tech." The interrogators are establishing relationships with detainees to
gain information, but "it takes time."
> Lieutenant Colonel Gordon Cucullu
o Fox and Friends - 6/27/05: Gitmo is a "very smooth-working, operating
procedure that may have had problems in the beginning but is now up and
running." The facility and guards are "impressive."
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Transcripts:

(Found Weekend Today Show clip and MSNBC - this Weekend clip)
WNBC~NV (NBC) - Today

6/25/20057:08:07 AM
Newscaster: Earlier this week a team of human rights experts at the United Nations
accused the U.S. of unfair treatment of detainees' at Guantanamo Bay. And joining us this
morning from Washington, D.C., two NBC news analysts, both fonner generals, Barry
McCaffrey who's returned from a trip to Iraq and Montgomery Meigs, who recently
returned from, I believe, just yesterday, a visit to Guantanarno Bay. Good morning to
both of you...
Newscaster: General Meigs, tet me tum to you and Guantanamo Bay. You were just
there at the invitation of the U.S. military. Give us your general impressions. Meigs:
Well, we went to just about every comer of the place. Escorted by Major General Hood,
the commander down there. There's been over $100 million of new construction. The
place is professionally run. I was impressed. Newscaster: isn't the debate though not so
much about exactly how prisoners are being treated there but more on whether or not
Guantanamo Bay has become a symbol? A symbol to the Muslim world and in particular
-- a recruiunent tool for terrorists because of what it represents? Meigs: Well, I think the
problem we have is in terms of the general treatment of prisoners early on in the war. Let
me give you an example. The Red Cross just spent six weeks there interviewing
prisoners, going to every part of the prison. It's not an irretrievable situation. You're
going to have to have something like Guantanamo to hold these 500-odd terrorists who
were very seriously dedicated people. It might as well be Guantanamo as just the
Department of Defense is going to tell the story of what's really going on there. I think
they're starting to do a much better job of that now. Newscaster: General Meigs and
General McCaffrey, thanks very much to both of you this morning.
MSNBC News Live

6/25/2005 11 :20: 12 AM
Newscaster: Meanwhile Guantanamo Bay is just one of the fronts on the war on terror
causing frustration. Earlier I got a forehand account from two retired generals. They now
serve as analysts.
...General Meigs, thanks for your patience. You returned from a visit to Camp Delta in
Guantanamo Bay, a source of a lot of controversy. What were your perceptions there?
Meigs: The place is very professionally run. There's been $100 million spent in
construction, which has brought the facilities up to a very high standard in tenns of
confinement facility. The confinements were sound, similar to what we use in the
Department of Defense facility at Leavenworth. We talked with the senior interrogation
heads, and interrogations were being done correctly - nothing like what you read in the
log in "Time" magazine... Looks to me like they've got that thing up and running
properly. Newscaster: But how much were you actually able to see? There's a lot of
controversy, because ofthe treatment of detainees during interrogations ... Amnesty and
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The Red Cross are both saying the prisoners may have been abused and that they were
not allowed to see all that was going on. Were you able (confirm?) Meigs: Yes. I know
the commander. He was trying to show us everything because he's got a good story to
tell. The Red Cross had just spent six weeks there interviewing prisoners, getting access
to any part of the facility. And as I understand it, secondhand, their issues concern
individual cells for prisoners, as opposed to two or three prisoners in a cell. That is not
unusual in confinement facilities, in that the prisoners can talk to each otner cell-to-cell,
et cetera. So I would say as time goes on, this story is going to abate. They are doing the
right things at Guantanamo. Newscaster: I will have more on their thoughts on whether
the media is giving America the accurate picture of what's really happening in the war on
terror. Meanwhile, a look at your weather...

(Found Sunday Fox News clip; the Saturday clip was not available)
Fox News .- Fox and Friends Sunday

6/26/20059:45:13 AM
Newscaster: There has been a lot of debate about conditions at Gitmo. Our next guest
said it is not the detainees who are getting abused but the prison guards. In Washington
to explain is command sergeant Steve Greer. He went to the facility and he was there for
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Sergeant, I saw you yesterday on shows and one of
the interesting things the points you made was you ate the food the detainees eat and it is
better than foods that the actual guards eat. It even costs more. Greer: Yes. That's
absolutely right. It is amazing the amount of steps that we have taken and put in place to
ensure there is a consistently humane treatment for all detainees. Some 520 currently
inside Gitmo. They've been there awhile. News£aster: You said the people being treated
harshly are the guards themselves. What you are also saying, Sergeant is that these
prisoners have not been broken in any way. Greer: Well, what I would tell you is that the
interrogation strategy down there is based on rapport building because that works. You
don't torture detainees to gain information - it's critical infonnation to fight the war on
terror. What they have done is designed a rapport building based on certain activities. If
you are not compliant you get less incentives. I watched a Libyan being interrogated ~ he
was eating Hostess donuts and reading a magazine from the coast of Libya. Another
interrogation I watched (included) the detainee watching Martha Stewart Living and
drinking Seattle's Best Coffee. These are incentives given to detainees if they are
compliant ifthey continue to provide information to their interrogators. Newscaster: we
have had e-mails and discussed this as a talking point early in the show. We have had
people e-mail in to say this is nothing but a dog and pony show and of course conditions
will be good and respectful because you guys will be brought down there and everybody
knows it. What do you say to that? Greer: That's nonsense. That B roll footage you ran
there - that's camp x-ray - that thing has been gone for two years. There have been
millions of dollars of construction and operation costs put into the camps at Camp Delta.
Here's the deal. The International Red Cross has 24/7 access to detainees and they have
met with every single detainee. Not to mention, anybody who thinks that there is
something going on other than humane treatment there never served a day in the military
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because the soldiers and sailors I know would never put up with it. They wouldn't allow
this to go on....
Newscaster: Steve, this is what I want to know. We had interrogations - you witnessed
four of them. My question is, if these interrogations are indeed working, are we further
along on the intelligence trail? Are we any closer to cracking Al-Qaeda? Are we closer
to getting Osama bin Laden? Greer: I don't know. Yes, they are definitely working. I
spoke to the senior interrogator - a female who has been there two years, she said every
single week they gain credible information that helps us uncover the structure of a
Canadian and associated networks. Not to mention AI-Qaeda's pursuit of WMD, terrorist
teclmiques and skill sets the way they recruit. recruiting centers and ,locations as well as
how terrorist organizations used legitimate financial businesses as fronts to fund
terrorism. Newscaster: The interrogations you viewed - what were they like? Greer: it
was really hair-raising to watch the interrogations and to see an AI-Qaeda operative face~
to-face with an American interrogator and interpreter. To see the cat and mouse game
that goes on... There was one individual who was leaning forward in his seat very focused
and attentive, with the detainee watching every word he said, he was there two years and
he was a leader within the camp itself.... Newscaster: thank you for joinirg us today.
Take care.
Major General Donald W. Shepperd
(Found CNN American Morning News and Friday live clip only; CNN Radio transcripts
not available)
CNN -- Ameritan Morning

6(27(20059:14:57 AM
Newscaster: On Friday, a group of former military leaders, who are now TV
commentators, also toured the prison. Don Sheppard was there. He's in Washington this
morning for us. Nice to see you, General. You went Friday. How long were you there?
What did you get to see? Shepperd: We were there the whole day. We got to see the
entire detention facility, talk to the guards, see interrogations, observe interrogations, and
talk to interrogators. We had pretty much free run of the place to talk to anyone we
wanted to talk to. Newscaster: What did you come away thinking? Shepperd: I came
away thinking what the congressional delegation said. What we saw in Guantanamo
bears no resemblance to what we are reading in the present press. Most of the people
writing about this, I believe, have never been there. We have impressions of an old
facility camp that was closed three years ago. We have a modem, well-constructed prison
guarded by very, very dedicated people, doing an extremely tough job in the midst of a
very dangerous people. News(aster: Did you talk to interrogators there as well? What
kind of questions did you have for them? Shepperd: We talked to interrogators and
watched them at work as well. A lot ofpeople have the impression of people at
Guantanamo, people with no rights and being mistreated. This is consistent with what [
heard from the interrogation training in Arizona, mistreatment does not work. You can't
get things out of people by torturing them. All it does is screw things up. You have to
establish rapport over a long period of time,' keep the interrogations going and eventually
people will give you infonnation that you then coordinate with other pieces of
information to bring you actionable intelligence and that's what's happening now.
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Newscaster: You had free run of the place and that you got to watch them at work pretty
much unfettered for a day. Isn't it fair to, well, if there's abuse going on it sure isn't going
to happen while the U.S. Congressional delegation is going through and certainly not
while fonner people who are now analysts on TV, are hanging out in town? I mean, it
seems to me, obviously you wouldn't see those things, I think that's fair to say, isn't it?
Shepperd: Absolutely. They put their best foot forward. In any prison situation you have
to continually guard against abuses, There have been abuses at Guantanamo in the past. I
think they have been fixed and they're constantly on the alert for them. What we saw was
a bunch of dedicated people that are really mad and feel attacked by the things coming
out in the print press about this. They say, I donlt know where these people are getting
infonnation. They haven't been here, and I haven't seen it going on. Newscaster: not only
coming out in the print press, journalists who haven't had a chance to visit, talking about
Amnesty International, they called Guantanamo modem gulag, the IRe said tactics were
tantamount to tonure. IRe comes by frequently to check on prisoners. They're there all
the time. The same with Amnesty International, they are people there. These are not
journalists typing on computers in another state and never have left the country.
Shepperd: The International Red Cross has access 24 hours a day 7 days a week at
times and place of their choosing. You've got to realize that people think about
Guantanamo as in previous wars where you captured detainees and hold them until the
end of the war and release them. Guantanamo is detaining people, keeping them off of
the battlefield, releasing ones not guilty and punishing and bringing to military tribunals
ones that are. That's what we saw going on. And I believe that's what's going on now,
after some rough starts. Newscaster: What do the interrogators tell you about
information they're getting from folks who remain detained there? Shepperd: These
people have been here, some, two, three years. Newscaster: Are you still getting
valuable information? Shepperd: Absolutely yes. You get bits and pieces. New people
coming in all of the time, new faces, they reconflfffi new things and go into databases line
things up, they say we've gotten a lot of infonnation to prevent attacks in this country and
other countries with the infonnation they're getting from these people and it's still
valuable. Fonner Air Force Major General Don Shepperd joining us CNN military
analyst back from Gitmo. Thanks for talking with us.
Live from CNN

(6/24/052:50 p.m.)
Newscaster: We have just established a line to Guantanamo Bay to our military
analyst, General Don Shepperd. He arrived there as part ofa trip put together by the
Pentagon in the wake oUhat human rights report that criticized conditions at the prison
for war detainees. General Shepherd is on the phone with us right now. What do you
see? Shepperd: I'm seeing a lot of rain right now. We're in the middle ofa drenching
impressions you're getting from the media and from pronouncements of people who have
not been here are false. What we're seeing is a modem prison system with dedicated
people, interrogators who know what t~ey're doing. And people are being well treated.
We had a chance to tour the facility, eat what the prisoners eat, we've seen people being
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Newscaster: You said you got to talk to the interrogators and guards. What have they
told you? Shepperd: The interrogators, we have the opinions that people have been
mistreated. Everyone we talked to, and this is consistent with things I have known in the
past, every interrogator will tell you the key is a relationship based on respect.
Eventually, they will begin to talk and you get pieces of information you can fit together
with pieces of information from somewhere else. Pressure doesn't work, disrespect
doesn't work, and torture is counterproductive. That came from everyone, men and
women who were interrogators down here. Newscaster: This leads me to my next
question. Ofcourse, this was a trip organized by the Pentagon. Do you feel like you're
getting full access? Are you seeing a true picture? Shepperd: That's a good question.
They are proud to have people down here to see what we're seeing. Obviously, they're
going to put their best foot forward, and obviously, there will be abuses or people
disobeying the regulations. I have been in prisons and jails in the United States, and this
is by far the most dedicated force I've ever seen in any correctional institution anywhere.
Newscaster: You mentioned you have spoken with guards. What are they saying?
Shepperd: Very interesting. I had lunch with one of the female guards and then I talked
to a group of male guards as well. I said, do you ever see anything that goes on that
resembles mistreatment of prisoners or mistreatment by the prisoners of guards. They
say they're on alert at all times. They're not armed when theire around the guards (sic·
meant to say "prisoners"). You don't do that because obviously weapons can be taken
and used against you. But basically, they treat the prisoners firmly with respect. They
you comply with the rules, you're gonna be treated well, you'll be given more privileges
them that I have talked to have observed anything in the way of mistreatment or any
really bad incidents. The biggest thing they say is violence between the prisoners
themselves. A lot ofthe prisoners don't like each other. They're from different countries.
Newscaster: On the flipside, have you had access to the prisoners themselves and what
are their conditions? Shepperd: We have not had access to the prisoners themselves.
We are told what they are and we have seen all the facilities. We have watched
interrogations. We just watched interrogations of two high-value prisoners who have
been here for a considerable amount of time. The facilities are basic of prisons
anywhere. We have seen the cell said. TheY're 7 x 8 cells. They're clean. they have a
toilet in the facility. They have a water fountain in the facility. They have a bed. They
are given the Koran. They're given a mattress. They're given clothes, recreational things
such as playing cards, chess, checkers, that type of thing. We have not had access to talk
to the prisoners and, again, that's one thing you've got to be very careful of. You want to
establish a prisoner relationship with the interrogators and not have that proliferated with
other people. Newscaster: Let's back up for just a moment because you said you
watched an interrogation. Explain to us how that played out and were there any instances
of abuse or possible abuse? Shepperd~ Absolutely not. Basically, you're able to observe
interrogations. When you say, "we watched them," I want to be very careful about how I
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describe this. I do not want to describe how we watched it. They have various ways of
monitoring the interrogations. With the interrogations we watched, there were
interrogators, translators who translated for the detainee, and there were also intelligence
people in there. They're basically asking questions. They ask the same questions over a
long period of time. They get infonnation about the person's family, where are they from,
who they know, what they do. All of the things you would want in a criminal
investigation. These were cordial, very professional. There was even laughing in two of
them. Newscaster: Laughing in an interrogation? Shepperd: Yes. It's not like the
impression that we have where people bend people·'s arms and mistreat people. They're
trying to establish a firm professional relationship where they have respect with each
other and can talk to each other. Yes, there was laughing and humor going on in a couple
of these things. I'm talking about a remark made where someone will smirk or laugh or
chuckle. Newscaster: We appreciate your time and that look inside Gitmo
with you being there. Thank you for that. We invite you to stay tuned.
Colonel Jack Jacobs

(Found three MSN,BC clips and NBC Weekend Nightly News clip)
MSNBC
6/26/2005 9:35 :56 AM:
Newscaster: ... possible prisoner abuse in Guantanamo Bay, lawmakers from both sides
of the aisle tour the site this weekend. They say conditions are improving for prisoners.
Military escorts took a house delegation through cellblocks, interrogation rooms, and
troops' barracks. Our own military analyst was also given a tour of Ouantanamo Bay
earlier this week; retired army Colonel Jack J~cobs joins us with a little more insight.
First up, before we get to Guantanamo Bay, about that report in the Sunqay Times about
U.S. officials meeting with insurgent leaders, tell us a little about what that might mean.
Jacobs: I think we're reaching out to try to find some solution to the problem of
continued violence by this group of people that we call collectively the insurgency, trying
to meet with these guys and figure out if there's some way that we can ameliorate the
situation. I can't get any confinnation that it actually took place. But I can tell you this -
unless you meet with every one of these guys, including AI-Zarqawi's mob, you're not
going to get anything.
Newscaster: Well, Secretary Rumsfeld has said it was Iraqis meeting with insurgent
leaders. Was there a difference there? Would they not do it with the U.S. military?
Jacobs: They might do it with the U.S.'s approval, but not with the U.S. or any
combination of those things. And it's possible and plausible that the Iraqis themselves
would meet with the insurgency leaders. But if they're going to do it, they've got to get all
of the insurgency leaders together. The thing is so fragmented, unless they get them all to
agree it's not going to work.
Newscaster: Now to Guantanamo Bay. Tell us about the cells themselves also where the
prisoners are detained. What are they like?
Jacobs: Well, the older cells, of course, are older. But the new cellblocks, which a new
cellblock is patterned directly after a high security prison in Indiana, and it's the state of
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the art facility. The cells are very, very good indeed. The detainees have the capability to
talk to other detainees and inmates. They can do things like play checkers with them and
so on, even in the higher security blocks. It's a very nice facility, to be honest with you. If
you've got to be in prison, it's not a bad place to be.
, Newscaster: We're seeing a lot of high-profile visits to Guantanamo Bay is it part ofa
PR ploy? We now recognize that we've been watching pictures from three years ago,
since abandoned. Now Camp Delta, an entirely different location in that facility in
Guantanamo Bay. What's going on here?
Jacobs: Well, I think the Defense Department has been way behind the eight ball. This
story had been building up over a period of time. ,You said yourself, the x-ray pictures are
three years old and we've still been showing them. The Defense Department has waited;
instead of getting ahead of the story and saying, why don't you come on dOlMl and take a
look at this thing. We'll show you what it's really like, but has waited until now to do it.
Long overdue. 1think that the story .- the story is one in which we can get a good view of
what's actually taking place. There's nothing necessarily to be ashamed of. The facilities
there are actually quite good. And the story is an interesting and important one that the
Defense Department should have shown us before. They need to learn from this, that it
doesn't make any sense to wait, get everybody down there, show them the stuff at the
very beginning, and they would be lots better off.
Newscaster: We spoke to two retired Generals yesterday. Alex just spoke to two
lawmakers who said conditions there, and you yourself saw that conditions there are
better or good. Does that mean, however that, the reputation, the image, has not been too
tarnished, that this camp should in fact stay open?
Jacobs: Well, the reputation is tarnished, period. I don't know if you're going to be able
to improve the reputation in the Islamic world, no matter what you do. At the end of the
day, the intelligence value of Guantanamo is so high, and I've seen both unclassified and
classified briefings dOlMl there. But I can tell you that the intell~gence value is so high
that it makes no sense whatsoever to close it down. And we're still getting infonnation
from detainees who have been there for three years.
MSNBC
6/26/2005 10:38:56 AM
Newscaster: Retired Army Colonel Jack Jacobs, welcome as always.
Jacobs: Good morning.
Newscaster: A report in the "Sunday Times" of London, about meetings between U.S.
officials disputed by Donald Rumsfeld, and Iraqi insurgents. Any way you slice that, it's
still problematic because the insurgency is not a coherent group, could you tell us about
that?
Jacobs: I tried to check to see whether or not it was true and so far, nobody's talking
about it. It's plausible that we will have, that we would have had meetings with these
guys. But one of the points that you mention, that it's difficult, if you can't assemble
everybody who is participating in this very fragmented insurgency, we call it an
insurgency like it's one centrally-organized thing, it's not. ..
Newscaster: Let's go to Guantanamo Bay; The respect or disrespect oflslam. Now we
talked earlier about some of the cells and conditions there. What about Islam itself? Did
you get any sense of how fair it is there?
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Jacobs: Sure. Not only what happened before, and people make mistakes and you're sure
mistakes have been made in the past. The law of large numbers says eventually
something bad may ha\le happened. I can tell you right now that they go really, from my
standpoint, way out of their way to accommodate Islam. Ritually slaughtered meat is
flown in from Florida. The meals that they ate, I can tell you that you can't eat that much
food, to be honest with you. The each, each detainee gets a prayer rug, prayer oil, prayer
beads. He's got a niche in his cell for his Koran, so that it doesn't inadvertently get
desecrated. Every conceivable horizontal surface you can think of has got an arrow
stenciled on it. Any place that a detainee can be, interrogation room, out in the exercise
yard in the cell, to show which way to turn, which way is Mecca, so he can pray.
Newscaster: Are these changes? Is this an updating in the system? Because the reports,
remember the log story about how the 20th hijacker was treated three years ago or two
years ago.
Jacobs: That was a long time ago.
Newscaster: Do you have a sense that this is newly implemented?
Jacobs: This is the sense, I think some of the changes, the large majority of them have
been evolutionary, the kind of conditions we have there now, were not, were not existing
three years ago. They've been changing for the better. And I think one of the reasons
we've done it is less because of the international concern about it, but because you get
more infonnation out of these guys if you treat them properly. And they're properly
treated and we're getting lots of information from them. Information we didn't get before.
Newscaster: Better with honey than vinegar.
Jacobs: It works every time.
MSNBC
6/26/2005 11 :47:47 AM
Newscaster: Meanwhile, we'll get insight from our own military analyst, also given a
tour of Guantanamo Bay earlier this week. Retired Anny Colonel Jack Jacobs, welcome
as always.
Jacobs: Good morning again.
Newscaster: Tell us a little bit -- earlier you talked about the cells and the food. Tell us
about specifically about the interrogations you were able to witness.
Jacobs: We saw a number of interrogations. Some fairlY high profile and extremely
dangerous detainees. And they used different techniques. The whole idea is to get closer
to the detainees, so he can feel comfortable with you and therefore give you the
information you require. You're not going to get any good infonnation from somebody
you beat up. He's going to tell you whatever he thinks you want to hear so that you'll
stop. So they've been working hard over the last few years to gain the trust of these
detainees. Some of them are very, very high-level and hard-core people. And it works, it
works. I saw one, one detainee, whenever there's a session, he won't talk unless he gets
his stuff. What's his stuff? A Twix candy bar, you can't make this up. A cup of Seattle's
best coffee and the latest edition of"" Martha Stewart Living."" and then he'll start
talking.
Newscaster: And is that because Martha Stewart....
Jacobs: I have no idea. Are you establishing real trust with these people, if you have an
interrogator and analyst, who over time, develops trust with the detainees.
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Newscaster: Is that a change in a tactics? We had heard before 'the complaints of the FBI
agents who were sent to various locations who witnessed military interrogations or
perhaps those by the contractors or reservists in Iraq. Who at one point were doing some
of them? Is that a change in tactics?
Jacobs: I think in some areas it's a change. In many areas, it's not. Because the American
military people recognize that if you, if you establish trust you're going to get the
infonnation you require ultimately. But I think overall it's a recognition that it's going to
take time and you have to establish a working relationship with the detainee. There's one
intetrogator I saw, who is a very motherly type. And this is the interrogator who finely
got this one detainee to spill everything because he felt some sort of close relationship
with this woman, who over time developed a personal intellectual relationship with him.
Newscaster: Did you see what you expected to see when you took this tour?
Jacobs: No. I'm something of a skeptic. And a doubter. I've always been, I was very
surprised to see what I saw. I expected the facilities to be very rustic. They are not, they
are in very good shape and they are in new high-tech containment cells. I did not expect
civilians to be interrogating the prisoners. I didn't expect to see the little contact with
military people and detainees.

(Found the Fox News clip only. Radio transcripts for KKLA Frank Pastore, Al Randel
Show. Greg Allen Show, KTFK Crane & Smash and True North Radio with Laurie
Morrow not available)
Fox News (Fox and Friends First)

6/27/20056:23:12 AM
Newscaster: Because he's just back from Guantanamo Bay. He spent a lot of time in the
military. Fonner Green Beret, Colonel, thank you for joining us. What did you see when
you got over to Gitmo? Cucullu: Good morning, Brian. I saw an impressive situation
there. We're talking about a very smooth-working, operating procedure that may have
had problems in the beginning but is ~ow up and running. The facility is quite adequate
for what the mission is. And the troops were extraordina~ily impressive from top to
bottom. I had an opportunity to dine with them, to work with them, and it really was
amazing. Brian: First off, do the troops realize the amount of pressure and focus is on
Gitmo? Cucullu: Oh, it's unbelievable. They get -- you know, they get Fox News down
there. They get emails; they talk to their friends and relatives here in the states. And
they're quite aware, not only of the overall situation, but they're extremely aware when
you hear off the wall comments by people like Senators Kennedy and Durbin, that attack
them personally, and the great thing is that rather than hurt their morale, what this really
does is it raises the bar for them. They say we're going to be even better than we were
before, just to prove to these guys how professional we are. Brian: In terms of what you
observed first-hand, what do you know now that you didn't know before you walked on
to the island? Cucullu: Well, quite a few things, Brian. The first thing I know for sure is
that there's no torture going on down there. And that these people are being kept in a way'
that's very humane, probably more so than even your average maximum security prison
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in the United States. The other thing is that surprised me is the fact that we're still getting
what we would call actionable, usable intelligence infonnation interrogations with these
guys, and that I hadn't expected, and so I was very pleased to see that, because what it
shows is that the process is working and that there really is a reason, other than the fact
that these are very evil terrible people, who keep this system working. Brian: The FBI
report that says they used dogs chained to the floor. forced to go to the bathroom on
themselves, everything like that, do you understand that that is proven true, but that was
the old system or is that considered a false report? CucuUu: I don't know what
happened in the past, and it's tough for me to evaluate that particular report, although it
sounds a bit hyperbolic to me. We went through several of the camps, we actually
watched several ongoing interrogations and we had a chance to talk to the troops on a
one-on·one basis over a meal, which was a detainee's meal, it proved to me that there's
absolutely nothing like that going on now. In fact, many of us were a bit shocked at the
leniency that the command is showing toward the prisoners, the detainees, because in
many cases the real abuse going on down there that we don't hear about is that every day
when these guards, our young men and women go into the blocks. they're assaulted by
the detainees throw feces, urine, semen, spit. They're vilified, threatened; their families
are threatened with death. Ifthey go into the cell with these guys, they're personally
attacked. They try to scratch their eyes out, pull their mouths and stuff, and break their
hands. It's very dangerous, and these kids are very brave and professional for putting up
with it and not reacting in a way that maybe you and I would if we put up with the same
threat. Brian: When you talk about interrogations, you say relationships are being built.
Why? Cucullu: Because they feel that you get -- it's like the old •• the old saying, you
get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. These people'are working with, them
over a long period of time, the interrogators are establishing a relationship with the
prisoners, and what they're finding is that in many cases, it's an ego thing, Brian. These
detainees are proud of what they did, they're proud of the fact that they have tried to kill
Americans, and Westerners and will do so in the future. They brag about it. They openly
boast about it. And they·· we're finding out things about financing, about Al Qaeda
organizations and training, about operations that took place in the past and may happen in
the future, so this is all -. is essential for the security of the United States that we continue
the interrogation process down there. Brian: Last question, there's no way to ever show
you if there was something to hide in Gitmo, the average person watching at home says
(they) never show you what was wrong at Gitmo. What makes you think that you got the
real story? Cucullu: Because we saw hundreds of people, we saw almost' every cell and
confinement facility down there. It's simply impossible, Brian, to have a conspiracy on
that level and that magnitude. There were 10 of us along; we were speaking to the troops
over a meal. If somebody had a complaint or a problem, they would have indicated it to
one of us and we would have been able to share that. This business about thege vast
conspiracies is really overstated. Plus we do what we're looking for. You know, we're not
rookies at this, and we've inspected military units before. You can tell the pride, the
honesty, and the pride that comes from these troops. Brian: Thanks again for joining us.
Cucullu: Great to be on with you. Brian: In and out of Cuba, not an easy thing to do.
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Mil itary Analysts Call
Gen. George W. Casey Jr.
June 27, 2005
Ms. Barber's office: 2£272 The Pentagon
Transcriber:_
Call: On background.
Gen. Casey: I can't imagine that I could say anything I haven't said in Congress, so I'd
just be happy to take your questions.
Mr. Allard: Hey, George, Ken Allard. After watching you on TV last week more than I
was on, it was surprising to me you could even walk in there this morning.
Gen. Casey: Well, the idea I'm on TV more than Ken Allard is awe-inspiring (laughter).
Mr. Allard: Hey, last week, pal, you were.
Gen. Casey: Go ahead. Who's up?
Mr; Scales: George, it's Bob Scales. How are you doing?
Gen. Casey: Good, Bob. How are you?
Mr. Scales: The president is going to talk tomorrow night at eight o'clock (at Fort Bragg)
and many of us on this phone call are going to be following up his comments or maybe
even preceding his comments. Can you give us a sense of the theme that the president's
going to have and what you would recommend to be some bullets that we could use, to
as the old expression goes - "further explain and elucidate?"
Gen. Casey: Yes. I am sorry -- I left the speech back on my desk there (laughter).
Mr. Scales: I mean a couple of bullets that we could use to, you know, as the old saying
goes, further amplify?
Oen. Casey: I mean, I think that focusing on the complexities and the duration of counter
insurgencies, that these are always protracted struggles; and that our whole strategy here
is to bring the Iraqi Security Forces to a level that they can contain the insurgency while
we continue to (attnt?) and bring the insurgency down and complete the political process.
Mr. Scales: This idea of attrition is important, because several writers have said recently
that in counter-insurgency or irregular warfare the object is to wear the enemy down til
its presence becomes irrelevant, as opposed to achieving some decisive effect, which is
maybe what the American people are looking at.
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Gen. Casey: I think that's right. And I think you're going to - you know, we've said in
some forms here - you're not going to see any more Fallujahs. There are no safe havens
where the insurgents have basically taken over a city or a town. I mean, they're having to
fight for their base, which is a good thing and as you know, successful insurgencies have
always had some type of external or internal support base. They don't have that. They
don't have a positive vision for the future ofIraq. I mean, they're out to get us out of
there; the Sunni insurgency is trying to get itself back in power and the extremists are
basically trying to defeat us and give us a strategic black eye.
Mr. Scales. Yes. That's good.
Mr. Dillon: General, this is Dana Dillon (sp) at the Heritage Foundation. Can you talk a
little bit about the negotiations that are going on?
Gen. Casey: I will tell you, that London Times article - J can't tell you what exactly who
that was or what it was. We're trying to run that down. But that said, the discussions that
we're having with the embassy and with the members of the Iraqi government, with key
Sunni leaders, are all part of enhancing the political process. And, you know, I have low
expectations, certainly low expectations of any kind of major breakthrough or anything
like that, but I do believe that our continued discussions with Sunni leaders between now
and the elections, will also enhance the political process and bring more Sunni out to vote
here both for the referendum and for the elections.
Mr. Babbin: General, Jed Babbin. Following up on that, it seems like the word that we're
getting from the press and I thought - maybe I was mistaken - but I thought Mr.
Rumsfeld said something to this effect - that we were negotiating with someone who
apparently was talking for the insurgents. And what I am trying. to figure out is if we're
talking with someone who is talking for the insurgents, who are they purporting to
represent? I mean, what groups are involved - tribes, cities, whatever?
Gen. Casey: As you know, the Sunni in general and the Sunni insurgency in particular is
a pretty diffuse group. And 1 have no doubt that some of the people that we're talking to
have connections to the insurgents. But I will tell you that what we find is - and so far
now - this is up to now, and this may change here in the next weeks, but up to now, our
experience has been that they have less influence over insurgents than they think do or
that they claim.
Mr. Babbin: So if I could just follow up. What you're basically saying is we're not
talking to insurgent groups regarding any sort of cease fire, we're talking about people
participating in the elections. Or is that wrong?
Gen. Casey: Whenever you talk to these Sunni leaders, you always get into the tit for tat
about you reduce the violence here and then we'll gradually scale back Coalition
presence and aU that. So I don't think it's fair to say that there's no - you know·· we're
not talking to them about stopping the insurgency. I mean, that's the whole basis for the
discussions to begin with.
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Mr. Babbin: Thank you.
Mr. Allard: George, Ken Allard again. Look, we had the discussion there in the Pentagon
last week with SecDef. This whole issue of manpower - it's probably become a cause
celebre here. It's been a long time coming. I thought it was going to come last - about
this time a year ago. But it suddenly reared its head. Are you happy with the number of
forces that you've actually got? Particularly when, you know, we hear the comment that
there are more foreign fighters in the country now than there were six months ago? I hear
something like that and I say, do we have those borders effectively sealed off or not? And
do we have the manpower to do that? Can I invite you to comment on some of that?
Gen. Casey: Yes. I think you know that sealing borders especially in - well in any
environment, but in this environment, is difficult, if not impossible. Now, in general
terms, as you can imagine, the enemy ebbs and flows. We react. We move forces or shift
forces around to basically do what we think it's going to take to unhinge the enemy or to
react to him. And a good example of that is last April we recognized that we weren't
going to slow the insurgency in Mosul until we slowed the flow of foreign fighters in
support across that northwest border. And so we moved the 3rd Armored Cavalry
Regiment up there and about that same time, the Third Iraqi Infantry Division carne on
line; so now you have a border guard brigade, an Iraqi division, and a Coalition brigade
out conducting operations in depth along that border. So, we do have enough forces to
react and adapt. I've said repeatedly if! think I need more forces, I'll ask for them. I
needed them for the elections last year. I asked for 12,000; they sent them. And then we
returned· back to, you know, about 138,000.
The other thing, in this environment - and I think this is important - more is not
necessarily better, because more brings with it bases that have to be guarded, lines of
communication that have to be protected, and more troops out that are potential targets
for the insurgents. And so our strategy is to bring the Iraqi Security Forces to a level
where they can confront the insurgency so that we can actually begin reducing Coalition
presence.
Mr. Scales: Bob Scales again. Could you talk a little bit again about how that's going;
how Petraeus is doing. Specifically -- not just the numbers of troops that you're cranking
out, but the quality of the troops, the leadership, and most specifically, how it's going
with particularly preparing the new Iraqi police forces? Any comments on that?
Gen. Casey: First ofall, Dave Petraeus is in really the organize, train, and equip mode
and he's done a magnificent job. And I think you've heard, you know, going from one
(Iraqi) battalion in the army and a handful of national guard battalions to over one
hundred army and special police battalions now. But those are formed, formed and
equipped and trained to a very basic level, I mean, basic training and some (collective?)
skills.
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We've done two things this year since the elections to capitalize on the momentum of the
elections and to capitalize on the confidence that the Iraqi people expressed in their
security forces and that their security forces expressed in themselves after the elections.
First was to establish partnerships between our units and Iraqi units. And the units are
matched up with each other and basically they are there to provide any type of extra
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training assistance and support that these units need. The second is the transition teams,
where we basically have put IO-person teams with every Iraqi army battalion, special
police battalion, and some of the border battalions. And the intent is to increase their
confidence as rapidly as possible, and to increase their access to Coalition enablers.
Our thought is get them to a level where they can conduct counter-insurgency operations
with our embedded teams and with our enabling support and then gradually reduce the
Coalition presence. If we get nine or 10 Iraqi divisions into the fight here against this
insurgency, which is primarily Iraqis, we believe that Iraqis can defeat them with our
teams and with our enabling support. But that will take, you know, a period of years here.
So - now, what's the output of that? As you can imagine, the units vary with their
leadership. And we have some very good units, and we have some not-so-good units.
And it really has an awful lot to do with the Iraqi leader. But, you know, that these guys
are never going to make it, I don't agree with. But I do tell you straight up that there's a
wide variety of capabilities in these Iraqi units. I think you've heard that we've developed
a unit status report for the Iraqi military and we're doing the same for the Iraqi special
police and - ultimately - local police. And that has given us a fairly good view over their
strengths and weaknesses. And I'll tell you that most of them, the vast majority, are still
at a level where they can either operate with us or they can operate semi-independently
but with a lot of support from us.
So they're a long way from standing on their -- you know -- own two feet and fighting
this thing independently.
On police. Police are about a year behind the military, particularly the local police. And
that has more to do with the eight- to 1O-week training program we've got them on then
anything else. And, so our strategy for this year really is to transition the counter
insurgency lead to the Iraqi military, and then over the course of the next year transition
that lead to the Iraqi police, so you get back to a state of normalcy here in a couple years.
Mr. Scales: OK, thanks.
Mr. Nash: General, Chuck Nash. There have been a couple articles recently that have
reported some "red on red"'activity. Another article opines that perhaps the Sunni part of
the insurgency have lost control of - if they ever had it - of their partners in crime there
with the foreign jihadis Gihadists?). Could you comment that whole thing from what
you're really seeing?
Gen. Casey: Yes. I must say, those reports are primarily coming from the far west,
around al Qaim (sp). We believe that they're true; and we're trying to frankly figure out
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how to leverage that: how to get contact with the tribes and see if there's not something
that we can do to make common cause with them against the foreign fighters.
Now the governor of al Anbar who was kidnapped and ultimately killed was kidnapped
by foreign fighters, and his tribe knows that. Now the fact that he was killed in an attack
that we were making on the building where he was being captured is also cause for
concern for them. But bottom line is we recognize it; we're trying to figure out how to
leverage it, but we haven't had much success yet.
And then on the Sunni insurgency - as I said, it's a diffuse group, and that's part of the
problem is trying to figure out somebody who's really speaking for the insurgency.
Mr. Nash: One follow-up if I could on that. To get in touch with the tribes to see if you
can leverage that. One of the criticisms that I've heard is that our information operations
campaigns seem appear kind of disjointed. Are you comfortable with the 10 campaign
where you are right now, and is that a sufficient enough tool for you to leverage this "red
on red?"
Gen. Casey: I am not comfortable with my information operation, my strategic

communications campaign. You know, we lost a lot in the transition that we just did over
the past few months and we're fighting like hell to get that back where it needs to be.
That said, it's the Iraqis and it's the Iraqi information operations that will bring these
tribes into the process - or give us our best chance of bringing those tribes into the
process.
Mr. Maginnis: General, Bob MagiImis. Two questions - one dealing with Syria and the
way ahead. Have you seen over the last month any appreciable improvement from our
perspective in their behavior. And also, if you could comment on the impact in Iraq of the
election in Iran of the ultra conservative.
Gen. Casey: On the first one - Syria remains a problem. I have seen nothing that they've
done that has appreciably altered the flow of foreign fighters through Syria. All their .
information tells us that Damascus is the hub; the foreign fighters get on web sites; they
get information; they travel to Damascus; they have phone cQntacts that they make;
they're billeted; they're sent off to (Aleppo-phonetic sp?) and then farmed out to other
sites. So, I mean, there's a fairly well-established facilitation at work in Syria that is
moving these foreign fighters through Syria and into Iraq. And that has to be stopped. But
I have seen no appreciable shift in their position and cert~inly no impact on the foreign
fighters coming across.
I lost the second part.
Mr. Maginnis: Iran - the ultra conservatives.
Gen. Casey: Yes. That's happened since I've been out (to Washington) and I really
couldn't comment on that.
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Mr. Lawrence: Any more questions for the General?
Voice: Yes, George, I've got a follow-up, it goes back to Bosnia. One of my unpleasant
discoveries over there about the time you had arrived is our tactical HUMINT had not
kept pace with certain advances we'd seen in other areas. Are you seeing anything like
that? Because we've also heard reports dating back more than a year ago which indicated
that we had not made the same kind of progress there that we had hoped for in other
areas. Have they begun to catch up with that?
Gen. Casey: They've begun to catch up with it, but not, you know, we're certainly
nowhere near where we want to be. Now I'll tell you, the increased interaction with the
Iraqi Security Forces has greatly increased our tactical HUMINT capability. And it's very
interesting; as you can imagine, you go into a hou.se looking for something, and then the
Iraqis know just where to look; they appreciate the significance of what they find, and the
people will talk to them much more readily than they'll talk to us. So at a tactical level,
that's been a big boon.
The other thing we're seeing is tips. And if you look at an insurgency, you know, one of
things you're always trying to get your anns around to gage the strength of the
insurgency is how willing are people to give up infonnation on them? And the tips that
we are getting both through hotlines and in in person have gone up significant(ly) now; I
want to say on all the hotlines that the divisions have and the national hotline, we went
from like 50 in January to over 1,700 in the last month. So the people are getting tired of
it and they are more and more willing to corne forward. So, we'll see where that goes.
Voice: George, one last question. Any success in taking on the suicide bombers: finding
the sources of these factories, of you know, stopping them at the source - being able to
kill these guys before they launch out on their missions.
Gen. Casey: Yes. There are several parts to this network. One is the suicide bomber. And
so the operations that we are doing out west to disrupt their movement across are helping
out. And then there's the facilitators that bring them from the border and get them linked
up with the bomb and we're attacking those pieces ofthe.network. And then there's the
bomb makers, and we've picked up - oh, r want to say about 45 almost 50.
Mr. Maginns: General, Bob Maginnis again. I saw a program considering the new
unifonn.
Gen. Casey: Hey, I'm sorry.
Mr. Lawrence: Hey Bob?
Mr. Maginnis: The unifonn that covers the arms and the legs - significant extension of
the current protection gear that we're using over there. Is that something that is going to
soon be delivered in country ...
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Mr. Lawrence: Bob, Bob, this is Dallas Lawrence. Can you hear me OK?
Mr. Maginnis: Yes.
Mr. Lawrence: I am going to go ahead and let the general finish the question he was
answering before, then he can get to your question if you don't mind.
Gen. Casey: In the last couple of months we picked up about, you know, 48 of these
bomb makers. Bob, but there's ammunition, I mean artillery ammunition buried allover
Iraq. It's almost a bottomless pick. We picked up over 1,300 major caches, tons of
ammunition here in the last six months, and it just doesn't seem to go - you know, to go
away. And these bombs, you know, maybe three rounds of artillery, or three artillery
rounds and some home-made explosives mixed in; I mean, it doesn't take much at all.
Mr. Lawrence: Bob, go ahead with your question.
Mr. Maginnis: I'm sorry, I didn't...
Gen. Casey: I think I heard it. I'm not aware of the delivery schedule, but I am having
lunch with the chief of the staff of the army right after this; but I am not aware ofthe
delivery schedule on that increased protective equipment.
Mr. Maginnis: OK, sir.
Voice: George, I've got one last question if you have time. Is there any level of violence
or any strategic calculus that you can determine behind the current level of violence. Are
they getting ready for some sort of Tet offensive; do you think they're encouraged by the
fact that they can re-opinion polls (read opinion polls?) as well as we can?
Gen. Casey: I do. And it's fascinating. There's a perception that the levels of violence
have spiked. And the reality is they.haven't. Now they're up from the dip that we went
into after the election. But for the last seven weeks, we've been right between 450 and
500 attacks a month. And that's about the same level where we were last year at this
time. And there were weeks last year - around the time of August in Najaf, November in
Fallujah and the elections, where the numbers were up seven, eight hundred, nine
hundred. And my biggest question mark right now for my guys is: Can they still generate
those levels of attacks? And I don't think they can. Now what they've done, obviously, is
they've shifted to high impact, high visibility attacks that are murdering a lot of civilians.
And they killed 700 civilians and Iraqi security forces last month and there are about 500
already this month. I mean, so they are taking this fight to the Iraqi Security Forces and
the Iraqi people. But that's a losing strategy over the long term.
Unfortunately, I think as you suggest, their perceptions are that they're affecting our will
at home. They can't defeat us in Iraq, so they'll break the will of the American people.
And I firmly believe that that's exactly what they're trying to do.
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...
Mr. Babbin: Well, general, Jed Babbin, and at the risk of prolonging this for one more
question, I mean, that's really a big question right now. We're hearing that the troops are
starting to have a negative effect on their morale with all this nonsense back here with
Dick Durbin and Amnesty International and the rest ofthese cretins out there.
Is there some sort of measurable, negative impact on morale at this point?
Gen. Casey: No, the short answer is: not yet. But as I said to somebody on TV today, r
mean, the troops are scratching their heads. I mean they just, they don't, you know, they
see the progress that's happening on the ground, and they don't understand what's going
on back here. And frankly, it's, I'm kind of scratching my own head..
Mr. Lawrence: OK. We have time for one last question. Is there anybody else who has
not asked a question, or time for one last question for the general before he has to leave.
Mr. Allard: Dallas, Ken Allard again. Not a question, but certainly a comment. I would
think those last two comments of General Casey are well worth underlining any way that
you can put it out - hopefully not just on background. I think that the confusion the
troops are feeling on this thing, and also the fact that there appears to be going after the
high-profile targets. Those are two things I have not heard very much on TV and I'd like
to.
Gen. Casey: OK. We just completed our second six-month review here. And this is
basically, you know, the staff works this with the embassy staff, and the conclusion of
that is the campaign remains broadly on track and we are most optimistic about progress
in THE two critical areas: the building the Iraqi Security Forces and the political process.
And I, my firm belief is, we will continue over the next six months to build the
constitution, to have a referendum on that constitution, and get to these elections in
December. Now, they're going to contest it; they're going to fight us the whole way. But
the Iraqi people are focused on their future.
And one aside here - I didn't appreciate this fully until after I'd been there a while - but
if you're, if you haven't lived under Saddam Hussein for 30 years, you don't appreciate
what that's like. And the Iraqis are a hell of a lot more resistance -- resilient, because
they're been exposed to a hell of a lot more tyranny and oppression than, you know, than
we have. So they have a little different view on this. And right now everything we're
seeing points to the completion of this political process. Which will help us in bringing
the insurgency to another level, but as you know, even if they finish this election, there is
still going to be an insurgency next year; there's still going to be a dilapidated
infrastructure that needs a lot of work. But I firmly believe that while there are -- Iraq has
long-tenn political and economic challenges, it does not necessarily require a large, long
tenn U.S. and Coalition presence to get them through this.
Mr. Lawrence: Thank you gentlemen very much for joining us today. Just a quick
reminder - this is on background. And again we appreciate your time this morning.
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Gen. Casey; Thanks guys.
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Sent: Saturday, June 25,20057:54 PM
Subject: Re: Many thanks
Ok, but let's get him briefed on khatani so he doesn't go too far on that one.
From: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA <Eric.Ruff@~
To: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA <larry.dirita@~
Sent: Sat Jun 25 19:51:19 2005
Subject: Fw: Many thanks
Fyi. I'll folo up. I plan to call him to suggest an oped. He's a ret'd two star.
Thanks, dude. Sorry you've had to deal withe emergency. See you monday. Eric
From: shepdonald@M5fi& <shepdonald@~
To: eric. rUff~1tm <eric. rufU:fr.nT:\.-
Sent: Sat Jun 25 17:00:24 2005
Subject: Many thanks
Eric - many thanks for your efforts putting together the Guantanamo trip - it was
fascinating and added greatly to my understanding of detainee issues - let me know if I
can help you - Don Shepperd (CNN military analyst)
DONALD W. SHEPPERD
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Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 10:58 PM
To; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
Cc: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASO-PA; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASO-PA
SUbject: Re: Per request, here is the transcript of Don Shepperd's remarks on CNN a little while ago.
Allison, ... could you have the folks do some kind of a rollup of the interviews and other
activity that comes out of this. As much as possible, please just have them provide
transcripts, a la the radio/tv dialog. as opposed to additional analysis. Also. please
have taft on alert for any news articles that fallout from the hunter codel and put them
in monday's bird. Tnx .
From: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA <Eric.Ruff®N5Nni
To: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA <larry.dirita@a5UR
CC: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA ~Bryan.Whitman@ij~G& Barber, Allison, crv, OASD-PA
<Allison.Barber@ijnfiR
Sent: Fri Jun 24 21:42:42 2005
Subject: Fw: Per request, here is the transcript of Don Shepperd'S remarks on CNN a little
while ago.
Greater context on immediate impact from the trip. Btw, dallas did an outstanding job
today. The kid really gets it!
From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA <Dallas.Lawrence~
To: RUff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA <Eric.Ruff@ijdWni
Sent: Fri Jun 24 21:20:57 2005
Subject: Fw: Per request, here is the transcript of Don Shepperd's remarks on CNN a little
while ago.
Soory. meant to add you to forward. Attached is the transcript of sheppards cnn call in
and a blip of some of the media these guys booked the second we landed. Good trip, thanks
for the backing to allow m@ to push this forward.
From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA <Dallas.Lawrence@~5Wilri
To: Barber. Allison, crv, OASD-PA <Allison.Barber@·~~·5.M~n~ . .
Sent: Fri Jun 24 21:18:10 2005
Subject: Fw: Per request, here is the transcript of Don Shepperd's remarks on CNN a little
while ago.
Yes!! ! !!
Mont meigs is doinf today show tomorrow and nightly news, sheppard is on cnn sunday at 4
and 10 and on american morning then cnn live on monday, this saturday at 3 cnn
international and 4 pm cnn national and cnn radio tonight. Bob maginnis did three radio
from gitmo and jack jacobs is doing msnbc tomorriw. Good stuff
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CC: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
<dallas.lawrence
Sent: Fri Jun 24 16:18:53 2005
Subject: Per request, here is the transcript of Don Shepperd's remarks on CNN a little
while ago.
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Betty Nguyen (CNN Anchor): We have just established a line to Guantanamo Bay to our
military analyst, General Don Shepperd. He arrived there as part of a trip put together
by the Pentagon in the wake of that human rights report that criticized conditions at the
prison for war detainees. General Shepherd is on the phone with us right now. What do
you see?
Donald Shepperd: I'm seeing a lot of rain right now. We're in the middle of a drenching
impressions'you're getting from the media and from pronouncements of people who have not
been here are false. What we're seeing is a modern prison system with dedicated people,
interrogators who know what they're doing. And people are being well treated. We had a
chance to tour the facility, eat what the prisoners eat, we've seen people being
Ms. Nguyen: You said you got to talk to the interrogators and guards. What have they
told you?
Don Shepperd: The interrogators, we have the opinions that people have been mistreated.
Everyone we talked to, and this is consistent with things I have known in the past, every
interrogator will tell you the key is a relationship based on respect. Eventually, they
will begin to talk and you get pieces of information you can fit together with pieces of.
information from somewhere else. Pressure doesn't work, disrespect doesn't work, and
torture is counterproductive. That came from everyone, men and women who were
interrogators down here.
Ms. Nguyen: This leads me to my next question. Of course., this was a trip organized by
the Pentagon. Do you feel like you're getting full access? Are you seeing a true picture?
Don Shepperd: That's a good question. They are prOUd to have people down here to see
what we're seeing. Obviously, they're going to put their bes~ foot forward, and
obviously, there will be abuses or people disobeying the regulations. I have been in
prisons and jails in the United States, and this is by far the most dedicated force I've
ever seen in any correctional institution anywhere.
Ms. Nguyen: You mentioned you have spoken with guards. What are they saying?
Don Shepperd: Very interesting. I had lunch with one of the female guards and then I
talked to a group of male guards as well. I said, do you ever see anything that goes on
that resembles mistreatment of prisoners or mistreatment by the prisoners of guards. They
say they're on alert at all times. They're not armed when theY're around the guards (sic
- meant to say "prisoners"). You don't do that because obviously weapons can be taken and
used against you. But basically, they treat the prisoners firmly with respect. They
you comply with the rules, YOU're gonna be treated well, you'll be given more privileges
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them that I have talked to have observed anything in the way of mistreatment or any really
bad incidents. The biggest thing they say is violence between the prisoners themselves.
A lot of the prisoners don't like each other. They're from different countries.
Ms. Nguyen: On the flipside, have you had access to the prisoners themselves and what are
their conditions?
Don Shepperd: We have not had access to the prisoners themselves. We are told what they
are and we have seen all the facilities. We have watched interrogations. We just watched
interrogations of two high-value prisoners who have been here for a considerable amount of
time. The facilities are basic of prisons anywhere. We have seen the cell said. They're
7 x 8 cells. They're clean. they have a toilet in the facility. They have a water
fountain in the facility. They have a bed, They are given the Koran. They're given a
mattress. They're given clothes, recreational things such as playing cards, chess,
checkers, that type of thing. We have not had access to talk to the prisoners and, again,
that's one thing you've got to be very careful of. You want to establish a prisoner
relationship with the interrogators and not have that proliferated with other people.
Ms. Nguyen: Let's back up for just a moment because you said you watched an
interrogation, Explain to us how that played out and were there any instances of abuse or
possible abuse?
Don Shepperd: Absolutely not. Basically, you're able to observe interrogations. When you
say, "we watched them," I want to be very careful about how I describe this. I do not
want to describe how we watched it. They have various ways of monitoring the
interrogations. With the interrogations we watched, there were interrogators, translators
who translated for the detainee, and there were also intelligence people in there. They're
basically asking questions. They ask the same questions over a long period of time. They
get information about the person's family, where are they from, who they know, what they
do. All of the things you would want in a criminal investigation. These were cordial, very
professional. There was even,laughing in two of them.
MS. Ngyuen: Laughing in an interrogation?
Don Shepperd: Yes. It's not like the impression that we have where people bend people's
arms and mistreat people. They're trying to establish a firm professional relationship
where they have respect with each other and can talk to each other. Yes, there was
laughing and humor going on in a couple of these things. I'm talking about a remark made
where someone will smirk or laugh or chuckle.
Ms. Ngyuen: We appreciate your time and that look inside Gitmo with you being there.
Thank you for that. We invite you to stay tuned.
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Subject: Guantanmo Comments by the military analysts with you
This is a synopsis of comments by military analysts who discussed

Guantanamo in June.
o Lieutenant Colonel Gordon CucuJlu - FrontPage Magazine, 6/3
o Amnesty's allegations of a "gulag" are "loathsome" and "offensive"
o Major Dana R. Dillon - Scripps News Service, 6/23
o Comparing Guantanamo to the Cambodian killing fields is "grossly exaggerated" and contributes to
lowered morale at home and for the troops overseas
o Colonel Jack Jacobs - MSNBC, 6/20
o The administration thinks that Guantanamo Bay still serves its purpose.
o Lieutenant Colonel Robert L. Maginnis - Agape Press, 61 I6
o Amnesty "doesn't understand the holocaust or the gulags..." Detainees are "often treated better than the
American soldiers who are guarding them..." In addition, "millions of dollars" are now being spent on an air
conditioned facility,
o Major General Donald Shepperd - CNN, 6/23
o "We would be crazy to close Gimo," because where else would' detainees go? But he wants to see for
himself "what the legal processes are being foHowed there."
o Gitmo was a mistake and is now a "symbol," much like Abu Ghraib. It's a "failure of policy" and the world
deserves "an explanation." (CNN,6/13)
'" Mr. Wayne Simmons -.Fox News, 6/6
o The Pentagon has made "horrible decisions about Gitmo," including allowing those "terrorists" to have the
Koran there... The occurrence of abuses there are rare and "inadvertent."
Note: For the others, we found no Guantanamo-related comments.
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From:
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Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:35 PM
RUff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
Re: Cancel/ed
they arrested the father of one of the subjects. About as significant as Michael Jackson. And you're right: my
angle is evergreen. we'll get our shots.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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Sent: Thursday, June 23. 2005 5:27 PM
ROGER, I WILL HAVE IT WITH ME, HERE IS THE FULL SCHEDULE:
0500 Military Analysts/DoD personnel board shuttle bus for Andrews AFB
Pentagon South Parking, Lane #8, Bus #34 (703-604~0600)
Note: Mr. Ruff, RADM McGarrah, Mr. Waxman, Ms. Miles and BG Hemingway to meet delegation
at Andrews DV terminal
0600 Arrive Andrews AFB DV Terminal

0630 Board C32 757 Flight to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba
Special Air Mission #9040
0645 Wheels Up
Depart Andrews AFB for Guantanamo Bay, Cuba
Coffee and breakfast served in flight
0715 Welcome Briefing

Eric Ruff, Special Assistant to the Deputy Secretary of Defense
0720 Detainee Policy
Matt Waxman, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Detainee Affairs TAB B
0800 Break
0815 Combatant Status Review Tribunal/Administrative Review Board Briefing

RADM James McGarrah
TAB C
0845 Military Commissions Procedures
BG Thomas Hemingway, Legal Adviser to the Appointing Authority Office of Military
Commissions
TAB D
0915 Coffee/Bathroom Break/prepare for Landing
1000 Wheels Down

1005 Met by Joint Task Force Commander, BG Jay Hood
1035 JTF Operational Update
BG Jay Hood
1155 OARDEC/ARB Briefing

Captain Kaniut
1215 Depart for Camp Delta
1235 Arrive Camp Delta

Lunch with troops
1320 Tour Camp Delta
View interrogation, ARB, unoccupied cellblock, detention hospital
1445 Depart for Camp V
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1455 Tour Camp V
1510 Tour Camp X-Ray

1545 Depart Camp X-Ray
1630 Wheels Up
Depart Guantanarno Bay, Cuba for Andrews AFB
Dinner served on plane
1945 Wheels Down
Andrews AFB, VA
2000 Board shuttle for Pentagon
2030 Arrive Pentagon, metro entrance
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From:
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To:
JJia'
Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PA
• •
Junie 23, 2005 1:11 PM
tCdr, OASD-PA; Brenton, Beci CAPT AAUSN; Shavers, Michael, Maj, OASD
PA; Skinner, John A., Lt Col, OASD-PA; Burfeind, Barbara, CIV, OSD-POLlCY
Cc: Turner, James, CIV, OASD·PA; Keck, Gary, Col, OASD·PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD
PA; Ruff, Eric, SES. OASD-PA
Jeb Babbin would like to interview Gen Hemingway, Mathew Waxman, and/or RADM McGarrah on the Monday radio
programs he is guest hosting. Both shows are on WMET-AM, Washington DC. The morning show is 0700·0900, the
afternoon show is 1200 - 1400. He would like to have Waxman on the early show and either BGen Hemingway or RADM
McGarrah during the afternoon show. That said, he is flexible and will accomodate their schedules as long as he could get
at least one of them on each of the two shows that day.
FYI, Babbin was asking questions about fhe recent statement from the UN Human Rights group. LtCol Skinner is double
checking to see if the below response to query regarding the UN is still valid and will inform us as soon as he gets a
response in case they are asked on the show.
Flex, would like you to be overall coordinator for the Babbin Monday shows. Babbin said he could only handle one
interview per show so don't need all three, but would like to have at least one per show if at all possible. Here is Babbin's
contact numbers:
Please make contact with Jed today to let him know you are working this. Thanks.
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To: Wolf, Kendal, CIV, OSO-POUCY; Feinberg, Jared, CIV, OSO-POUCY
Cc: Lambert, Mike, CAPT, 050·00; Fortune, Anthony, COL, USA, OSO·POUCY; Del Monte, Bryan, CIV, 05D-POUCY;
Burfeind, Barbara, CIV, OSD-POUCY; Carpenter, Joe, LCDR OASD-PA; Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASO-PA; Shavers, Michael,
Maj, OASD-PA; Plexico, Alvin LtCdr, OASD-PA
Subject: UN investigators say U.S. stalling on prison visits
Jared
or Kendal
I know Barbara's out todaY... wanted to ensure you saw this article. We will get some requests from media wanting ~
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"reaction" to a statement issued by some UN Human Rights Inspectors. In the past. weVe simply reiterated "this is the
role performed by the ICRC-.·they are the organization with the charter to visit DoD detention facilities, meet with
detainees, and provide reports on conditions. They regularly visit DoD detention fsel/ltles."
Is that stili the "approach" we should take in answering questions? Thanks.~-John
VIR
John A.·Skinner
Lt. Col., U.S. Air Force
Office of the Assistant Secreta
UN investigators say U.S. stalling on prison visits

23 Jun 2005 10:43:17 GMT
Source: Reuters
GENEVA, June 23 (Reuters) - U.N: human rights investigators on Thursday accused the United
States of stalling on their request to visit foreign terror suspects at U.S.-run prisons in Iraq,
Afghanistan and at Guantanamo Bay.
They said they had had no reply to their year-old request to probe "serious allegations of torture",
arbitrary detention and violations of the right to health and due process at Guantanamo.
"We deeply regret that the government of the United States has still not invited us to visit those
persons arrested, detained or tried on grounds of alleged terrorism or other violations in Iraq,
Afghanistan, or the Guantanamo Bay naval base," the four rights investigators said in a statement.
"The lack of a definitive answer despite repeated requests suggests that the United States is not
willing to cooperate with the United Nations human rights machinery on this issue," they added.
Their request to visit followed the scandal sparked by photographs taken in the U.S.-run prison of
Abu Ghraib in Iraq, showing inmates, some in hoods, being sexually humiliated by soldiers and
intimidated with dogs.
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The investigators have global U.N. mandates to probe allegations of torture and arbitrary detention
as well as ensuring that rights to health and judicial independence are upheld.
Activists have expressed alarm that many people arrested since the Sept 11, 2001 attacks on the
United States have been held for more than three years without charges being laid. often
incommunicado, in a legal blackhole facilitating mistreatment.
The Pentagon says it is holding 520 men in Guantanamo, mainly detained in Afghanistan. Only four
have been charged.
LTC Guy Rudisill
Detainee Operations
Multi-National Force Iraq
US Cell (b)(2)
Iraq Cell •
DSN (b)(2)
under FOIA. 000 5400.7R, "DoD Freedom of Information Act Program". 000 Directive 5230.9,
"Clearance of DoD Information for Public Release", and 000 Instruction 5230.29. "Security and
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Sent: Thursday, June 23, 20059:07 AM
SUbject: FW: Mil. Analyst PA trip
Importance: High
sir, this is your calf, but if we are bouncing speech writing to keep the group small, not sure why nir waxman needs staff.
but, i could be wrong (it seems to happen a loti)
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Subject: Mil. Analyst PA trip
Importance: High
Mr. Lawrence,
Mr. Waxman has requested that I travel with him on this trip. Please reach me by phone e-mail or pager (see below) so I
can work the details for him and myself. I would like to try to have the details of this trip closed out for my office by 1300.
VIR,
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OSD/OUSD(P), Detainee Affairs
Pentagon Room fi5fjji
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Colonel Tim J. Eads (USA, Retired)
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Sent: Wednesday, June 22,20058:01 PM
when would that be, and what would be the format? Would this be live, or something we could script out a bit?
sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:54 PM
Subject: jed babbin
matt, have you been contacted about appearing on jed's radio show regarding gtmo/detainee policy? thanks, eric
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Wednesday, June 22, 2005 12:44 PM
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To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASO-PA; Oi Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD
Subject: Jed Babbin
Hemmingway is'will to talk to Jed but is TDY until Friday (which of course is the same day we
want him to got to GTMO)
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Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11 :35 AM
To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD
PA
Cc: _ C a p t . USMC, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bm"' SJiliASD-PA; Merritt, Roxie T.
CAPT, OASD·PA; Thorp, Frank, CAPT, OCJCS/PA; • lUi CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: CONFIRMED list for GITMO this Friday
Folks,
We just sent another email and wrapped a final round of calls letting the analysts know that we are as close to a "go" as
we will be before we get the final word. Again, we provided the caveat that this is not final, we are still pending a plane,
etc. We advised they make appropriate, refundable, arrangements to be in dc Thursday night for an early Friday
departure. I am currently working on having them all meet at the Pentagon at around 5:30 am and have us shuttle over to
Andrews to avoid loosing anyone at Andrews. As of now, we have 10 confirmed analysts.
Mr. Waxman is working to attend and will confirm with me shortly. • • is working the logistics to lock our
plane. We have a conference call with GITMO today to begin locking in the on the ground schedule. Captain Thorp has
reached out to MG Burgess and they are working on getting us an Intel person, possibly the J2. I have a call into General
Hemingway regarding his availability. We have now closed the list and are only taking standby rsvp's from the analysts in
the event a seat drops.
Thanks to everyone for a great team effort on pulling this off so far!
Confirmed List:
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From:
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Barber, Allison, CIY, OASD-PA
Tuesday, June 21, 2005 6:53 PM
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PA
Cc: Chafin, Claude, CIY, OSD-LA; ~ CIY, dASD-PA
Subject: Re: GITMO update
~et's go for friday. Get withijftffH first thing and get the plane put on first.
After confirmation of plane, call the analysts and southcom thanks.
Ab
Allison Barber
Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense
Sent from my BlackBerry Handheld.
From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-FA <Dallas.Lawrence~;njH
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To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-FA <Allison.Barber@wMd
<Eric.Ruff~ftfi9 Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-FA <Rox~
CC: Chafin, Claude, CIV, OSD-LA <Claude.Chafin~6i ~CIV, OASD-PA
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Sent: Tue Jun 21 18:20:46 2005
Subject: GITMO update
Folks,
Based on evolving scenarios regarding codels and gitmo constraints on the size of the
delegation, I have called every analyst that expressed serious interest in a Saturday trip
and posed the following question: "If we had to move to Friday or Monday, could you make
it". Below is the reply. The only major loss for us is Jed Babbin can only do Saturday.
Maybe we could add one to the list of the codel trip? He is hosting a huge number of
radio shows this summer, I have to think he would have every member of congress on to talk
about their trip together - a definite. plus for us looking to expand the echo chamber.
Also, in the event we move to Friday or Monday, we will re-engage with everyone that said
they COUldn't make Saturday and see if they can make the new date.
Long story short, if we do this Friday, everyone told me they need to know by no later
than tomorrow morning to clear their schedule.
Friday
Command Sergeant Major Steven Greer (USA, Retiredl
Lieutenant Colonel Robert L. Maginnis (USA, Retiredl
Mr. Wayne Simmons (CIA, Retired}
Saturday
Colonel Kenneth Allard (USA, Retiredl
Mr. Jed Babbin (USAF, JAGl
Mr. Wayne Simmons (CIA; Retired}
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Monday
Colonel Tim J. Eade (USA, Retired)
Command sergeant Major Steven Greer (USA, Retired)
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From: mtld elV, OASD-PA
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 20052:40 PM
Cc: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD·PA
Subject: gitmo· ASAP
Jack Jacobs wants to know ifhe can bring an nbc cameraman, with the understanding that they'd have to tum off the camera when
asked. wants to know what kind of access they're going to have..... he can't sen it to the network unless they get something out of it.
also, bob maginnis wants to know ifhe can conduct live interviews from there.... they would call him and interview him about what
he's seeing.
gUidance?
thanks
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Respectfully,
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05D Public Affairs
Communil1j Relatio,zs and Public Liaison
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Sent: Tuesday, June 21,20052:02 PM
To: Chafin, Claude. CIV, OSD-LA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA;
Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD·PA
SUbject: current list for gitmo

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Sent: Tuesday, June21, 20051:26 PM
To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD·PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD·PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
Cc: Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD·PA
Subject: fyi, rsvps to date for saturday gitmo

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Lieutenant Colonel Gordon Cucullu (U SA, Retired)
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http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=8325
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Researcher
GSD Wr;ters Group, Room •
Telephone: •
Fax; •

Enemy of the State
By Jed Babbin
Published 6/20/2005 12:07:48 AM
The North Koreans are apparently preparing to detonate a nuclear weapon in a test
that may drift radiation over North America. As a senior Defense Department official
said Thursday, one unmistakable message of the test will be that the world cannot
deny any nation such weapons. The President continues, inexplicably, to allow Syria to
be a sanctuary for insurgents killing Americans in Iraq. The presidential (and, for that
matter, vice-presidential and defense-secretarial) time and energy that should be
spent on those pressing problems is increasingly consumed with the increasingly
hysterical Democrats' attempts to push America through a time warp and back to
1968.
There's a reason for all the calumniating about the war we're in. Last November's
losers, the Oems and the mainstream -media, believe any exercise of American power
is illegitimate, dangerous, imperialistic, and illegal. Before the next presidential
election, they are desperate to create, especially among younger voters, another
Vietnam Generation: disaffected, distrustful of their nation, its morals and its
motivations. All our young folks hear these days is Gitmo this, Abu Ghraib that, and
when are we going to withdraw from Iraq? When was the last time you spoke to
anyone under 20 about the war, and about how it will affect their future? ptease
consider the consequences if you don't. If your teenagers only hear the outrageous
lies coming from the Deanocrats and don't get the facts from parents and family
friends, they could grow up to be senators from Illinois.
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As if to compensate for having sent us Abraham Lincoln and Everett Dirksen, the state
of Illinois has inflicted us with Richard Durbin. When last we viewed this otherwise
insignificant man, he was one of three Democratic senators who were the subject of a
CIA request to the Justice Department for a criminal investigation into their intentional
leaking some of our nation's most closely kept secrets, That request has lain dormant
for more than six months in large part because alleged Senate majority leader, Sen.
Bill Frist, has shown no interest in it. Now Durbin has provided a redundant proof of his
unfitness for office.
Last Tuesday, at the end of a characteristically forgettable speech, Durbin referred to

an FBI memo alleging harsh treatment of one of the terrorists being held at
Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. After reading part of the memo, Durbin said, "If I read this to
you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done
to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been
done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that
had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of
1I
Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.
We might never have heard about Durbin's remarks were it not for my pal Laura
Ingraham and her nearly-omniscient producer, Lee Habeeb, who caught Durbin in the
act and played the audio on Laura's radio show last Wednesday before anyone else
reported it. (Actually, there is a question about who reported it first. A senior Defense
Department official said Thursday that al-Jazeera had it five minutes after Durbin
spoke. I did not attempt to confirm this with Mr. Jihad Bailout, al-Jazeera's press
officer. And no, I'm not making his name up.) Durbin and the rest of the hyperlibs are
making a commonplace of utterly false accusations of crimes against humanity against
brave, dedicated Americans who are defending this nation.
Let's ignore the fact that the FBI memo Durbin read from is comprised of unproven
allegations which are now the subject of an ongoing investigation. Durbin doesn't care
about the truth of the allegations. He wanted to attract attention, and he succeeded to
a degree he never envisioned.
We executed Nazi and Japanese war criminals for murdering millions, and Israel hung
Adolf Eichmann after a long trial and his conviction of participating in the Nazis murder
of millions. Pol Pot's actions in Cambodia planned and murdered between 1.5 and 3
million. Noone knows how many millions were murdered by beating, starvation. and
freeZing in the Gulags, but the best estimates say the Soviets murdered at least 20
million people. How many have died at Guantanamo Bay, Sen. Durbin? The answer is
zero.
IF YOU BELIEVE THE DEANOCRATS and their media pals, we're holding people
incommunicado, in a legal limbo, where innocents are beaten, starved, and tortured.
that America is an international outlaw, that Gitmo is OBL's best recruiting tool, that
we're violating the Geneva Conventions, and that all the Islamic fascisti would join with
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us to sing Kumbaya jf only we closed Gitmo. Enough. You won't get your teens to read
all three volumes of Solzhenitsyn's The GUlag Archipelago. But you may, at least, be
able to get them to read from here to the bottom of this article.
We're holding people there incommunicado? According to 1st Lt. Wade Brown, the
chief mailman at Gitmo, every detainee at Gitmo, regardless of his conduct, is allowed
mail privileges unless he can't be trusted with a pen because he's threatened to harm
himself. Lt. Brown, in a sworn declaration dated March 17, 2005, said that from
September 2004 through February 2005, 14,000 pieces of mail were sent or received
by detainees at Gitmo.
Legal limbo? Some 800 suspected terrorists have, so far, been incarcerated at Gitmo.
All of them have had their cases reviewed by military commissions. About 235 have
been released, 61 are today awaiting release or transfer, and about 520 remain,
haVing been given all the due process to which they are entitled by U.S. and
international law, including the Geneva Conventions. They are enemy combatants. We
are entitled to hold them until the war is over whether it's tomorrow or in 2525.
Are we torturing and starving these people? No. Chaining someone to a wall or a floor
isn't comfortable, but it isn't torture. And it's important to remember what is. Nearly two
years ago, I spoke to three men who were held in a Saudi jail and given the full
Lubyanka treatment. In a 2003 interview, James Lee, Peter Brandon, and Glenn
Ballard each told me of how they were treated. What Brandon described to me was
credible and consistent with what the other two said.
Brandon told me he was "systematically beaten" and sUbjected to what he called the
"rotisserie" treatment. .., was shackled at the feet, you see, and handcuffed," Brandon
told me. "And they sort of thread a broom handle through your arms and your legs.
Then you're hung upside down, and so you've got all the weight on the creases of your
arms, so it's very painful." On the third day, they beat his bare feet with an ax handle
so badly that his feet were bloody. He was screaming so much that they forced a gag
down his throat, and for a moment stopped his breathing. After about five days of
beatings and sleep deprivation, the Saudis threatened to arrest Brandon's wife and
toddler son. He broke down, and confessed to terrorist bombings he says he didn't
commit. I believe Brandon and the others of the crimes they were convicted of
because the Saudis released them instead of executing them or imprisoning them for
life under what passes for law there. What went on in that Saudi jail was torture.
What's going on at Gitmo isn't.
What is going on is the interrogation and extended detention of some of the worst
hard-case terrorists. They are terrorist trainers and financiers, bomb makers, would-be
suicide bombers, terrorist recruiters and facilitators, and some of OBL's bodyguards.
Of the hundreds who were judged not to be terrorists and released, at least a dozen
have been recaptured on the battlefield, having again taken arms to kill Americans.
The intelligence gained at Gitmo is enabling us to prevent terrorist attacks and save
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American lives.
Because of people such as Dick Durbin, America lost its will to fight, and lost the
Vietnam War. That loss didn't deprive Americans of life and liberty. If we lose this war,
we lose America.
If you watch the video of Durbin's remarks, you'll see what I saw: his face morphing
into that of Jane Fonda. Apologize, Mr. Durbin. Or resign.
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(b)(6)
From: Dj Rita. Larry, CIV, OSO·OASD·PA

Sent: Monday, June 20,20056:54 PM
To: room
RUff, Eric, SES. OASD·PA; Capt. USMC, OASO-PA
Cc: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Thorp, Fran&oCJCfPA
Subject: Re: Jed Babbin called re: American Spectator' II••
We really shbuld try to help him. He is consistently solid and helpful. Maybe waxman
this time around?
From: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA <Eric.Ruff~51ilri
To: , , Capt. USMC. OASD- PA /I1,~~.~iiii.i1~ • •~.
CC: Whitman, ~an, SES, OASD-PA <Bryan.Whitman@osd.mi1>i Thorp, Frank, CAPT, OCJCS/PA
<frank.thorp~nTCri Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA <larry.dirita~ij[lij.
Sent: Man Jun 20 17:30:56 2005
Subject: RE: Jed Babbin called re: American Spectator 703 4036069 540 822-3099
thanks for passing this along, david. bryan, frank, any luck with finding potential
guests for babbin's radio shows this week? thanks, eric -----original Message----
From: , • Capt. USMC, OASD- PA
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA (b)(2)
SUbject: Jed Babbin called re: American Spectator
Bill Oreilly read his recent GTMO article and wants Jed on the show Thursday. No need to
call back.
Semper Fidelis,
Captain David T. Romley, USMC
~ssistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs
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Washington DC 20301-1400
« File: , , Capt. USMC, OASD-PA.vcf »
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(b)(6)
From: JedBabbin@ti5flHW
To: tmcinern~@jSTG.t , paulvallel'&JIM~III!!~ nashct@Nbtl5t Glenstrae77
@fi5fliiWBU~RfijMm4~15i11.6i@r.'" u:....._ • • CIV, OASD-PA; wSSrnter@!lmmnfjr.:mm.
roberthscales\g
Subject: Today's Spectator: Durbin's rant
The man disgusts me,
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
7496
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From: . Barber, Allison, elV, OASD-PA [allison.barber@rmtmW
Sent: Monday, June 20, 20056:17 PM
To: Di Rita, Larry, elV, OSD; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; Whitman,
Cc:
rT.atiS SES, OAsg:~A~~~~A;RoXie
i
T. CAPT, g:~~u';~g,ag':~~'~~n, elV, OAS.D-PA
SUbject:
GTMO on Saturday.
we run the risk of not getting all of our main folks but we can turn around and go again next week.
Roxie, please let joint staff know this is our request.
Dallas, please give Col room .

a heads up and deconflict with him then let the analysts know we are going Saturday.
we will have to move fast to make this happen.mm we might need additional help in getting the manifest put
together.
we can do this.
thanks
Cib
from: DI Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA [mailto:larry,dirita@_
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT,
SUbJect: RE: Update on Analyst Trip to GITMO
Pick a date within the next 5 days. 30 days is rrdicuolous.
Also, we should be promoting talk radio down there, more than one or two.
This is still flopping around.
-··-orlginal Message-·--
from: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-I'A
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASO-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Merritt ROlcie T. CAPT, OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, ClV, OASD-PA
ee: OJ Rita, Larry, av, OSD-OASD-PA

SUbject: RE: Update on Analyst Trip to GlTMO
j'm presuming we have to do the manifest so that's fine. let's just ensure that southcom understands it will (and
should) be responsible for setting up whatever happens down there once people get of the aircraft. i .think we all
understand this but i want to reiterate this point, which was made by bryan, and is highly relevant. it is terrific that
the analysts are engaged so Closely with your shop -- it's obViously a reflection of the can-do attitude they have
sensed in their dealings with folks there. we just need to make sure that we are always mindful of taking ourselves
out of the middle and letting the right people -- with our encouragement - run a show. thanks, dallas, and nice
work.
-'---Original Message---·
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To: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASO-PAi Menitt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASO·PA; Barber, Allison, elV, OASO·PA
Cc: Oi RIta, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASO-PA; flrIliftl'it'lian• • • • •

Subject: Update on Analyst Trip to GITMO
Folks,
I just spoke with Col rmYmWIIIdown at Southcom regarding the RSVP's we have received to date from our
analyst email on Friday. To date. 18 analysts (list below) have expressed an interest in attending a day trip
down to Gitmo, "within the next thirty days".
co«DIGDIIIII has expressed that General Craddock is fully engaged with regard to the request. Once a
date has been selected and locked, Southcom wiU likely need cover from OSD PA in requesting the military
air, a.s Southcom does not control air assets and will need to make the request via transcom. I let the Col
know that I would pass that on to the front office so that we will be positioned to provide whatever support is
necessary. Finally, as per direction and with regard to coordination, once we are notified of a date. we will
contact the analysts that have expressed interest to compile a complete manifest and will then hand off to
Southcom for execution.
Standing by,
dl
Dallas B. Lawrence
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Analysts That have RSVP'd an interest in trip:
Mr. Jed Babbin (USAF, JAG) - depending on dates; can't this week
Cmdr. Peter Brookes (USN, Reserve)
Lieutenant Colonel Bill Cowan (USMC, Retired) - after this sunday
Major Dana R. Dillon (USA, Retired) • depending on dates
Brigadier General David L. Grange (USA, Retired)
Colonel Jeff McCausland (USA, Retired) - after this sunday
Major F. Andy Messing Jr. (USAR, Retired) - fyi~ would like to connect with plane in
boca chica NAS, key west (refueling)
Major General Michael J. Nardotti, Jr. (USA, Retired) - after July 18

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To: RUff, Eric, SES, OASD·PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD·PA;
Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD·PA; Barber, Allison, CIY, OASD·PA
Subject: RE: Update on Analyst Trip to GITMO
Pick a date within the next 5 days. 30 days is ridicuolous.
Also, we should be promoting talk radio down there, more than one or twO.
This is still flopping around.
···-Original Message·····
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD·PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA
Cc: Di Rita, Larry, av, OSD-OASD-PA
Subject: RE: Update on Analyst Trip to GITMO
j'm presuming we have to do the manifest so that's fine. let's just ensure that southcom understands it will (and
should) be responsible for setting up Whatever happens down there once people get of the aircraft. i think we all
understand this but i want to reiterate this point, which was made by bryan, and is highly relevant. it is terrific that the
analysts are engaged so closely With your shop -- it's obviously a reflection of the can-do attitude they have sensed in
their dealings with folks there. we just need to make sure that we are always mindful of taking ourselves out of the
middle and letting the right people -- with our encouragement _. run a show. thanks, dallas, and nice work.
····-Original Message-·_·
From: lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
To: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD·PA; Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES,OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, nv, OASD
PA
Cc: Oi Rita, Lany, CIV, OSO·OASO·PA,;fG.Oti.n• • • • • •
Subject: Update on Analyst Trip to GITMO
Folks,
I just spoke with Col M5flri down at Southcom regarding the RSVP's We have received to date from our
analyst email on Friday. To date, 18 analysts (list below) have expressed an interest in attending a day trip down
to Gitmo. "within the next thirty days".
Col NmLd has expressed that General Craddock is fully engaged with regard to the request. Once a date
has been selected and locked, Southcom will likely need cover from OSD PA in requesting the military air, as
Southcom does not control air assets and will need to make the request via transcom. I let the Col know that I
would pass that on to the front office so that we will be positioned to provide whatever support is necessary.
Finally, as per direction and with regard to coordination. once we are notified of a date, we will contact the analysts
that have expressed interest to compile a complete manifest and will then hand off to Southcom for execution.
Standing by,
dl
Dallas 8. Lawrence
Un
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Analysts That have RSVP'd an interest in trip:
Mr. Jed Babbin (USAF, JAG)' - depending on dates; can't this week
Cmdr. Peter Brookes (USN, Reserve)
Lieutenant Colonel Bill Cowan (USMC, Retired) - after this sunday
Major Dana R. Dillon (USA, Retired) - depending on dates
Colonel Tim J, Eads (USA, Retired)
Brigadier General David 1. Grange (USA, Retired)
Colonel Jeff McCausland (USA, Retired) • after this sunday
Major F. Andy Messing Jr. (USAR, Retired) - fyi, would like to connect with plane in
boca chica NAS, key west (refueling)
Major General Michael J. Nardotti, Jr. (USA, Retired) • after July 18
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From: Romley, David Capt. USMC, OASD-PA

SUbject: Jed Babbin called re: American Spectator (b)(2)
Attachments: (b)(6) apt. USMC, OASD-PAvcf
Bill Oreilly read his recent GTMO article and wants Jed on the show Thursday. No need to call back.
sempermFm;dffiel~;s • • •
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From:' . • • Ltc OASD-PA

Cc: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
Subject: Update From Allison Barber Military Analysts to GITMO
Sir: For your information in prep for Gen Craddock

To: Larry, eIV, OSD Di Rita (E-mail)
Cc: (b)(6) Ltc OASD-PA; Eric Ruff (E-mail)
Subject: gtmo
hi there
just as an fyi...our main analyts are unavailable until tuesday of next week..the 28th. we can still do it
the trip this week and maybe again next but our main 4 guys are not around.
tony snow's producer just called dallas and he wants to broadcast live from gtmo asap. just fyi. they
are sending us a request..
thanks
ab
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From:
Sent:
To: ashct@rmfGi Glenstrae77

CIV, OASD~PA; WSSlnter@~
SUbject:
Gents: I'm starting on the next book. Does anyone know Notra Trulock and how I can contact him? He was
the fonner Energy Department security chief thrown out for getting serious about Chinese spying at Los Alamos
and elsewhere. thanks.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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Subject: Re: Analyst Update
Welcome sir. Apologize for my tangent on thr iraq message earlier, just frustrated that
the secdef is so good, we have so many good talkers yet we keep getting bloodied.
Anyhow, hope you have a great weekend.

Sent from my 'BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
From: Ruff. Eric, SES, OASD-PA <Eric.Ruff~
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA <Dallas.Lawrence ,
CC: NmLd CIV, OASD-PA rl,ItIr;:.niI• • • • •
Sent: Fri Jun 17 1~:26:12 2005
Subject: Re: Analyst Update
Good memo, dallas. Thanks.
Fro~Dallas, OASD-PA
CC: ~ CIV, OASD-PA ,
Sent: Fri Jun 17 15:55:58 2005
subject: Analyst Update
Folks,
For those of you that were able to take a few hours out of your busy day yesterday to join
us at the pentagon, I'd like to express my sincere appreciation. I hope you found the
mUltiple briefings and Q&A to be usefull as you go about your work in discussing America's
efforts in the global war on terrorism. For those that missed the day's briefing by the
Deputy Secretary, the Secretary and senior military leaders, we hope to be able to bring
additional briefings to you again later in the year.
Based on the multiple requests and the strong support of the Secretary, we are now moving
forward with planning a trip for military analysts to Guantanamo Bay. Dates have not been
selected yet. however we plan to move as quickly as possible to get you, folks down there
to see first hand the effective policies and practices in place to respect the rights of
the terrorist detainees the Secretary discussed yesterday. What I need from all of you,
rather quickly, is a first cut at who is interested in a trip down to Guantanamo Bay, most
likely within the next thirty days. SouthCom will be lead in planning and executing this
trip once we have built the confirmed guest list.
It is my understanding that Guantanamo Bay is 5 hours away via air, therefore one should
expect to be gone at least a full day. possibly. depending on SouthCom's itinerary, a
little longer.
Please rsvp to raw:.3±d E rnvm I • i f you are seriously interested in

participating in a analysts""cre1'egatl.on to Guantanamo Bay. Once we have an initial cut and
a date locked by SouthCom we will be back in touch with specifics.
Again, thank you for all that you all continue to do to spread the word about the great
deeds and sacrifices 9f our men and women in uniform. I hope you all have a wonderful
weekend.
All the best,
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Dallas B. Lawrence
Director, Office of Community Relations & public Liaison united States Department of
Def
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From: JedBabbin@_
Sent: Friday, June 17, 20059:39 AM
Subject: Interview requests
Eric: Many thanks for your continued help. As usual, I'm writing to ask a favor.
My radio schedule is becoming quite busy. I'll be hosting:
* WMET (1160am, DC) shows on 20-28 June (Mark Bizno, 0700-0900 EDT) and JD Balart (1200-1400 EDT)
30 June - 8 July.
* I'll be guest hosting for Laura Ingraham on alternate Fridays through the summer (TRN, nationally
syndicated, 0900-1200 EDT). I don't know which Friday I'll begin.
* Last, and not least, I'll be hosting the Mark Larson show (KOGO, LA and syndicated) on 25 July (1500-1800
EDT).
I'd like to ask your help in arranging the following:
1. for the Bizno show, at the earliest date next week, I'd like to get either Adm. Albert T. Church, investigator
into the Gitmo interrogations or Gen. Hood, the Koran abuse investigator;
2. for the JD Balart show, I'd like to get either Gen. Pace or Gen. Jim Conway to talk about the facts on the
ground;
3. for the Mark Larson show, I'd like to get Adm. Church again, or Gens. Myers or Pace; and
4. for Laura's show, I'll ask for one of the Big Dogs on the first show to talk about Gitmo and Iraq, and will·let
you know the dates asap.
In addition, and just because I'm obsessive and compulsive, I wanted to get in line to interview the SECDEF on
China. I'm writing a book for Regnery, due this fall, on the whole Chinese threat. Given the SECDEF's
emphasis on this and his coming trip there, I make this request for a 20-minute in-person interview. If I manage
to join the trip, I'd like to do it on the return leg of the trip on the aircraft. If not, any time we can set it up for
his schedule, I'll come a-runnin'.
Profuse thanks. I'll call to follow up. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
~ . . .. (mobile)
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From: Barber, Allison, elV, oASD-PA [allison.barber~

. Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 9:18AM
To: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD·PA
Subject: RE:
great. please also add the following:
1. military analysts call with casey

2. pentagon channel interview with petreaus
3. joint op ed from myers/abazaid/casey (that is random i know.. bvt i would like it for the internal aUdience)
4. letter to the troops from secdef
5. and the worldwide townhall
thanks
ab
-----Original Message----- ~
From: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA [mallto:Bryan.Whltman~
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 9:04 AM
Cc: Barber, Allison, OV, OASD-PA
Subject: RE:
I'm also adding the Townhall
----Original Message---
Sent: Friday, June 17,20059:02 AM
Cc: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
SUbject: FW:
fyi.
Sent: Friday, June 17, 20058:49 AM
SUbject:
Pis redo that sked with the following items. Don't worry yet whether it makes any sense. When you have it, pis get it
up to me. If I'm in the slrg, have them bring it in to me..
Show the following items on the sked. Use the calendar format.
6/20 sd svtc with abizaid/casey
6/22 casey/abizaid arrive in wash.
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6/22 (t) casey/abizaid brief sd
6/23 sasc iraq hearings (vice 6/28)
6/23 (t) ops/intel
6/23 casey/abizaid brief sd/potus
6/24 POrUS/PM Jafaari visiVpress avail
6/24 (t) SO at press club
6/26 Sunday shows
6/27 leave as is
6/28 Potus speech
6/28 (t) opsJintel
6/28 SO LKL
6/29 SO/Casey/petreaus press brief
Leave rest as is.
Tnx
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Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 20054:36 PM
To: Oi Rita, Larry, CIV, OSO-OASO-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
SUbject: outreach
hi there
just wanted to keep you posted that the outreach activities continue to grow. babs is working labor leaders and the
summits, tara is working military analysts and townhall. (important to note that they are not only working america supports
you p'rojects)
since i am not filling the vacancies until hollen is on board, i am going to detail vince ogilvie over to com rei to help out.. he
was a pa officer and an ma so he can help work the issues in the bldg, especially since betsy is gone.
lots to do...
ab
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From: (b)(6
Sent:
To:
Subject:
Attachments: Military Analysts TP FINAL CARDS l.'doc
See Attached. Left on Mr. Di Rita's 3rd Floor chair.
Talking Points - Retked Military Analyst Outreach

6-16-05
FINAL CARDS 1
Milil:i!ry Analysts TP
FINAL CAR•..
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Researcher
OSD..-riters
Grou Roan/II,wJW
Tele{.lhone: •
Fax: •
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From: room CIV, OASD-PA

Sent: wedneSdaYiilme 15, 2005 9:16 AM
To: amm LTC OASD~PA
Cc: Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD·PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD
Subject: mil analyst question
good morning
one of Our military analysts would like more infonnation about the rescue of the austral ian hostage in iraq· who was involved? was
anyone killed during the operation, etc.
any information you can provide would be helpful.
thanks
mIG]
Respect Ill,
• •
OSD Public Affairs
Comrmmity Relations alld Public Liaisoll
M_JjThe Pentagon ,
~ton, IIiC.20301-1400

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From: room CIV, OASD-PA

Sent: Tuesday, June 14. 2005 8:58 AM
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD·PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
SUbject: military analysts roundtable
Attachments: Draft Agenda - Military Analysts.doc: Picture (Metafile)
agenda and rsvp's:
Draft Agenda •
Military Analys...
Lieutenant General Frank (Ted) B. Campbell(USAF, Retired)
Mr. Jed Rabbin (USAF, JAG)
Admiral David E. Jeremiah (USN, Retired)
Colonel Jeff McCausland, (USA, Retired)
Major F. Andy Messing, Jr. (USAR, ,Retired)
Res ecl Ily,
OSD Public Affairs

Commullity Relatiolls mId PUblic Liaisoll
tl3filWrhe PentagOlI
WashinptOlI, D.C. 20301-1400
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From: (b)(2) CIVOASD-PA

Sent: TUes;v' June 14, 2005 6:43 AM
To: ~m. elv OASD-PA
Not Missing: Moved

By Jed Babbi n
Published 6/13/2005 12:07:43 AM
For those of us who are occasional targets of the Soros-funded propaganda machines,
it's encouraging to discover a useful purpose that they can serve. The hyperlib
machinery, and the reactions it commands, are as accurate a gauge as I can find to
measure the import of the key points of the liberal dogma. As demonstrated by the
reaction they manufactured to some comments I made on MSNBC last week, the
volume of hate mail the organized hyperlibs generate is directly proportional to the
importance they assign to an issue and the weakness of their position.
At issue was the so-called "Downing Street memo," a top-secret Brit document
memorializing a meeting in July 2002. The document says that the decision to take
military action against Saddam had already been made two months before we took the
case of Iraq to the U.N. Security CounciL It is as signi'ficant historically as Nick Nolte's
DUI record, and far less accurate. After Ron Reagan pressed me to admit our casus
belli was a tissue of lies, I told him that the fact we haven't found Saddam's WMD
proved precisely nothing. That's so, I said, because while we fiddled and diddled in the
U.N. for six months before military action began, Saddam almost certainly moved all
his WMD and scrubbed away all the evidence of it.
When Reagan pressed me further, contending that none of the commissions

investigating the missing WMD said they had been moved, I cited the report of Charles
Duelfer's Iraq Survey Group, which spent many months searching for WMD in Iraq.
That report, I said, showed the substantial body of evidence that a lot of people,
money, and materials, possibly including WMD, were smuggled out of Iraq in the
months before March 2003. The destination of these cargoes was Syria. I had touched
a nerve: by the time I got home, the "Media Matters for America" blog had accused me
of lying, and dozens of nearly identical e-mails (on the intellectual plane of, "liar, liar,
pants on fire") were pouring in. I qUickly stopped reading them and just hit "delete"
when I saw them.
I hadn't merely touched a hyperlib n'erve. I had challenged the basis for the hyperlibs'
existence: to discredit George Bush and the war at any cost. But the problem, for
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them, is that I had stuck to the facts. Which are very uncomfortable things, if you're
Soros or Howard Dean. Or any of their Michael Mooron drones. Having demonstrated
that I· can drive them into a fit of apoplectic rage with a 30~second comment on
television, the scientific method requires a controUed, repeatable experiment to see
how many can be driven to nervous breakdowns with a more elaborate exposition of
the facts. In the, interest of science, let us proceed.
WHAT I SAID ON MSNBC was, of course, just what the Duelfer's ISG report said, and
what Duelfer has said personally and repeatedly in Congressional testimony. You can
look it up. On November 17,2004, Duelfer told the House International Relations
Committee that a lot was moved by Saddam's people from Iraq into Syria and no one
knows whether or not the WMD were among the shipments to Syria: "I can't confirm
anything one way or the other. What we do know is that a lot .of stuff was crossing the
border before the war. Trucks, but you don't know what was in them. So that's -- you
know, I would like to be able to state definitively one way or the other an answer to
that. I'm not sure I'm going to be able to." On October 6,2004, Duelfer told the Senate
Armed Services Committee, "... But what I can tell you that I believe we know is a lot of
materials left Iraq and went to Syria. There was certainly a lot of traffiC across the
border points. We've got a lot of data to support that, including people discussing it.
But whether in fact in any of these trucks there was WMD-related materials, I cannot
say."
Duelfer's report also said that Saddam's Iraqi Intelligence Service "operated a series of
laboratories in the Baghdad area" (up to five in that area alone) and that one of them,
a clandestine lab in the Baghdad Central Public Health Laboratory, was "emptied of all
equipment and documents in December 2002," and that other labs were also found in
the scrubbed-c1ean-of-evidence condition.
The only reasonable conclusion anyone can draw from the Duelfer report -- even if we
ignore the other mountains of evidence about Saddam's WMD -- is that Saddam had
WMD and in the six months we spent trying to convince Kofi, Dominique, and their
pals to act, Saddam's regime moved the WMD, cleaned out the evidence, and did their
best to conceal what they had done. That they did so with the active participation of
Assad's Syria is also terribly clear.
It is a pity that the embittered hyperlibs can't accept facts or use them to assemble the
logical, and inevitable, conclusions to which they lead. When any of them ~- Soros,
Moore, Dean, Franken, or any of them -- call a conservative a liar, it must create a
rebuttable presumption that it is the lib who is falsifying. Not that they care.
Jed Babbin, a contributing editor of The American Spectator, was a deputy

undersecretary of defense in the first Bush administration, and now often appears as a
talking warhead on MSNBC.
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From: . JedBabbin@r.mmw
To: tmcinerney@rl5t1&
@JstmW, BURM41516@fjft'mhl;
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, CIV, OASD-PA; WSSlnter@'.ll'IftlWtl"'at-.:JI;
I love it when we get the libs enraged. Like I did last week on MessNBC. Saddam's WMD were there, until
they were moved and the places scrubbed clean of evidence. We haven't looked in the right places. Yet.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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As of June 14, 2005

9:00 a.m.
Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld
Meeting with Military Defense Analysts
Thursday, June 16, 2005
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Conference Room~, The Pentagon
AGENDA
11:45 a.m. Welcome and Introduction
• Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs Ms. Allison Barber (scheduled)
11:46 a.m. Update on GWOT/Iraq Operations
• Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary for International Security Affairs Peter Flory
(scheduled)
12:15 p.m. Update on Global Operations
• Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Richard B. Myers (not scheduled)
12:45 p.m. Update on Detainee Operations
• Acting Deputy Secretary of Defense Gordon England (tentatively scheduled)
1:15 p.m. Discussion and Questions with Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld (scheduled)
1:45 p.m. Meeting Concludes
• Ms. Allison Barber
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From: tUum , CIV, OASD·PA

To: mId CIV, OASD·PA
Attachments: Microsoft Photo'Editor 3.0 Picture: Picture (Metafile)
MEMORANDUM
From: Allison Barber

Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Internal Communication
and Public Liaison
Date: June 9, 2005
Re: Meeting with Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld invites you to attend a meeting Thursday, June 16.2005, in his private conference
room at the Pentagon.
The briefing with the Secretary and other senior DoD officials will start promptly at 11:45 a.m. and is expected
to conclude at 1:45 p.m. Invited speakers include Douglas Feith, Under Secretary of Defense for Policy,
Gordon England, Acting Deputy Secretary of Defense; and General Richard B. Myers. Chairman, Joint Chiefs
of Staff.
Consistent with Pentagon security procedures, it will be necessary for you to arrive at the Pentagon by 11: 15
a.m. on June 16th with two fonus ofLD., one with a picture.
Instructions concerning transportation logistics will be provided as soon as we hear back from you regarding
your participation.
Respectflllly,
WStk\
OSD Public Affairs . I
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Communih) Relations and Public Liaiso1l

rr.\lln The Pentagon
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Washington, D,C. 20301-1400
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SUbject: FW: Fox News Sunday
can we offer up ~Mftftlit2t'ilii• • • ?! or wood? or the sgt. majr out in seattle?! let's discuss asap, please: thanks. I
From:~5fiH LtCdr,OASD-PA
To:fU\fl:( : CIV; OASD-PA
Cc: • • CIV,OSD-POLICY
Subject: Fox News Sunday
Can you recommend any military analysts whom we could recommend and provide information to?
God bless,
MMlii
Lieutenant Commander, u.s. Navy
Western Hemisphere Press Officer
Office of the Assistant 5ecretaJy of Defense (Public Affairs)
Tel: Fax: r,:~ft:rliflk~~.IIiI.
~ E-mail: rU\flri or (b)(6)
www.dod.mil
From: Waxman, Matthew, .CIV, OSD-POUCY
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:38 PM
To: rmym CIV, OSD-POLIcy;P'l.U;]!!II~mlijRl_. LtCdr, OASD-PA
Subject: FW: Fox News Sunday Guidance
Can you guys respond? Thanks,

mcw
From: ra5flii : [mailto:ri].lDil
• •••••••
Sent: Thursday, June 09,200511:32 AM
To: Matthew.waxman@fj5thi_
Subject: Fox News Sunday GUidance
Mr. Waxman:
Professor Wedgewood at Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies suggested I contact you
about a segment we're putting together for this weekend's broadcast. I work on Chris Wallace's program -- Fox News
Sunday. Last week we interviewed William SchulZ, the Executive Director of Amnesty International USA. That interviewed
garnered a fair amount of attention towards the weakness of AI's accusations. .
As calls for GTMO's closure continue, we're interested in following up on last week's interview with a fair and balanced
discussion on the U.S·s detainee policies in Guantanamo Bay and other facilities, We're wondering if you could
recommend anyone who works with the Pentagon on detainee issues, or a former member of the military who could
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represent DoD's perspective. .
Any gUidance you could offer would be most appreciated. I can be reached at (b)(2)
Thank you in advance,
Rick DiBella
Fox News Sunday
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; CIV, OASD-PA
Frid~, June 10, 20059:02 AM
To: rmm i TC OASD·PA; _ , LTC, OASD-PA
Cc: tJMm CAPT, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD
SUbject: FW: TAS
good morning.
one of our military analysts will be doing radio media this evening. he is looking for the name of the
100 acre iraqi facility discovered in march '03 - one of the first bunkers discovered dug under the
ground that was stripped of all equipment. (the article he wrote which mentions this is linked below.
he also wants talking points on th~ duelfer report - specifically where duelfer refers to things being
shipped to syria.
any help?
thanks
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From: JedBabbin@rmmD [mailto:JedBabbin~
TO:. •
Subject: TAS
• Here's what I wrote 3-25-03, so the facility would have been discovered the prior week. Profuse thanks
for your help. Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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From; .. • • LTC OASD-PA

To: rimhi i CIV, OASD-PA; tJmb'lIGINIP.:t!'l'l-- LTC, OASD-PA
Cc: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA;
~ Ltc OASD-PA
Subject: '~-oOWfi'iri'Q"'Stmemo
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T oo far our of my lane to even offer a suggestion--most likely belongs to the WH if anyone.
vir
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-----Original Message---
From:fiM:i CIV, OASD-PA
Sent: Mo~June 06, 2005 8:24 AM
To:~ LTC, OASD-PA;rmlm1._ LTC OASD-PA
Cc: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA; (b)(6) Ltc
OASD-PA
Subject: FW: Downing st memo
gentlemen,
is there someone one of our military analysts can speak to this morning ~bout the article pasted
below? he will be on msnbc today and wants the latest. thanks! I
May 01,2005
The secret Downing Street memo
http://images. thetimes.co. uk/images/trans.gif

SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL - UK EYES ONLY
DAVie MANNING
From: Matthew Rycroft
Date: 23 July 2002
S 195/02
cc: Defence Secretary, Foreign Secretary, Attorney-General, Sir Richard Wilson, John Scarlett,
Francis Richards, CDS, C, Jonathan Powell, Sally Morgan, Alastair Campbell .
IRAQ: PRIME MINISTER'S MEETING, 23 JULY
Copy addressees and you met the Prime Minister on 23 JUly to discuss Iraq.
This record is extremely sensitive. No further copies should be made. It should be shown only
to those with a genuine need to know its contents.
John Scarlett summarised the intelligence and latest JIC assessment. Saddam's regime was tough
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and based on extreme fear. The only way to overthrow it was likely to be by massive military action.
Saddam was worried and expected an attack, probably by air and land, but he was not convinced
that it would be immediate or overwhelming. His regime expected their neighbours to line up with the
US. Saddam knew that regular army morale was poor. Real support for Saddam among the public
was probably narrowly based.
C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action
was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the
conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.
The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi
regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.
CDS said that military planners would brief CENTCOM on 1-2 August, Rumsfeld on 3 August and
Bush on 4 August.
The two broad US options were:
(a) Generated Start. A slow build-up of 250,000 US troops, a short (72 hour) air campaign, then a
move up to Baghdad from the south. Lead time of 90 days (30 days preparation plus 60 days
deployment to Kuwait).
(b) Running Start. Use forces already in theatre (3 x 6,000), continuous air campaign, initiated by an
Iraqi casus belli. Total lead time of 60 days with the air campaign beginning even earlier. A
hazardous option.
The US saw the UK (and Kuwait) as essential, with basing in Diego Garcia and Cyprus critical for
either option. Turkey and other Gulf states were also important, but less vital. The three main options
for UK involvement were:
(i) Basing in Diego Garcia and Cyprus, plus three SF squadrons.
·····Original Message··--
From: JedBabbin@fli'ifli\1l [mailto:JedBabbin~
Sent: Friday, June 03, 20054:01 PM
Toti5iiri
Subject: Downing st memo
- The secret Downing Street memo· Sunday Times - Times Online
Who's the resident expert on this? Best, Jed.
Jed Babbin
(home fax)
(mobile)
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Sent: TueS.day, May 31, 2005 9: 15 AM
To: rUlfiii CIV OASD-PA
Subject: Today's Spectator: The EU Follies
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http://W\NW.spectatoLorg/dsp article.asp?art id=8233
Researcher
OSD Writers Grou Room •
Telephone:
Fax: •
--·-·Orlginaf Message-·--
From: JedBabbin@N5flijl
sent: Tuesday, May 31, 20059: 17 AM
Subject: Today's Spectator: The EU Follies
I won't apologize for the fact that my schadenfreude at the misfortunes of France knows no bounds. I love it
when they do to themselves what they usually do to us.
Jed Babbin
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From: Paul Vallely [paulvallely~rr.nalta:eri'j • •,

Sent: Saturday, May 28,20059:20 AM
To: Paul E Vallely
Subject: Egyptian Reforms
Attachments: image001.jpg
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Well worth reading ..
Egyptian Intellectual: We Must Expose the Lies and Incitement Against Israel, the U.S.,
and the West
In an article titled "The Khan AI-Khalili Incident: Causes and Consequences," pUblished in the Egyptian government daily AI-Ahram,
Ahmad Na}i Kamha, a researcher at the AI·Ahram Center for Political and Strategic Studies, analyzes the causes for the April 7,
2005 terrorist attack at Khan AI-Khalili and proposes how to deal with such phenomena.
The writer emphasizes that the fact that the terrorist attack was carried out by a single Egyptian citizen and that this is what
highlights the serious nature of the problem, Kamha explains "the security apparatus does not have enough people to follow every
citizen ... It was surprised (to find) that the perpetrators of the attack at Taba were ordinary [Egyptian] citizens not affiliated with AI
Qa'ida, with the [Egyptian) AI·lama'a AI-Islamiya, or with the [Egyptian) Jihad [organization)."
Kamha criticizes the authorities for not letting the liberal Egyptian organizations to convey a message of openness to the Egyptian
people, and for having aI/owed various factions "who live in the mentality of the past" to spread anti·Western incitement and to call
for Jihad against anything AmerIcan. He calls upon the authorities to permit the activity of liberal organizations because this, in his
View, would be the most effective response to religious and nationalist incitement. The following are excerpts from the article: UL
To Prevent Such Incidents, We Must First Admit That We Failed in Fulfilling Our Duty
".. .If we really want to fight such incidents and to prevent them from occurring In the future, we must admit that we all - as the
state, as intellectuals, and as a people - have failed to fulfill· our duty... let me start with the state, For close to thirty years, Egypt
has decided ... to play an active and primary role In establishing peace in the Middle East as a strategic option and for the benefit of
all its citizens, including the Arab region and the three states in strategic proximity (Iran, Turkey, and Israel). In addition, [Egypt)
has opted for special, distinctive relations with the U.S., taking precedence over the other countrIes... Since then we see that it has
not been able to move society forward, except recently, and to be more precise, since 2002.
"We see tha,t [Egypt] has also failed to bring the substantial change to the awareness of the ordinary citizen. In this, the state has
its justifications. Whenever things calmed down and moved toward real reforms, [the state] was taken by surprise by political acts
of Violence, beginning with the assassination of the late President Muhammad Anwar AI-Sadat, which pushed the state into the
whirlpool of acts of terrorism, which continued until 1997. Consequently, the state took the step of imposing emergency laws and
other laws restricting civil liberties...
"However, the state did not realize that by doing so it was preventing society's non-govemmental liberal organizations from
performing their duties and from transmitting a new message of openness to the citizens... These organizations could have helped
to generate a dynamic of Interaction between the citizen and the stllte, through which a liberal state can confront the political
Violence of Islamic groups Without resorting to emergency laws. This liberal trend was the mainstay of the changes that hllve taken
place from 2002 until now. n
The State Behaves as If it Is Scared to Tell Its Citizens About Its Decision to Have a Strategic Alliance with the U.S.
"[Restricting the actiVities of liberal organizations) is not the state's only mistake. Its greatest mistake lies in the discrepancy
between [the state's) policy and decisions [on the one hand] and what reaches the citizen's [awareness on the other].
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"The consequence of this [discrepancy] is manifest in the way [the state] dealt with peace in the Middle East and with our relations
with the U.S. Despite the strategic choices regarding these two issues that the country has openly adopted for the past thirty years,
there is still a trend in the country that adheres to views of the past.
"This trend controls the [political] orientation of certain publications. It has helped to spread hatred of anything American and to
disseminate the conspiratorial theory that Israel is behind every [violent] incident that occurs In Egypt. Thus, the state has failed to
transmit its message regarding its strategic alliance with the U.S., as if it were afraid to confront the citizens with this truth.
"Yes, we are [the U.S.'s] aUies, and this does not constitute a betrayal of any principle. This is an alliance aimed at reshaping the
entire region on the basis of freedom and equality, and in order to change and awaken societies that deserve a better life. What is
wrong wIth presenting this message loud and clear? Yes, we are [the U.S.'s] allies, and this alliance grows with every crisis in the
region. This alliance is based on principles which permit no-one to interfere with our affairs. It is our policy and our reform alone
that leads us to join the policy lines of our strongest ally - politically, economically, and socially - for the sake of a society that is
free in every sense of the word.
"In addition, we indeed constitute a major factor in the Middle East peace [process]. Peace [in the Middle East] will never be
attained without Egypt playing an active role as mediator and as an actor helping the other actors reach a save haven."
"The State Has Made a Mistake by Letting its Voice Be Weaker TI1an tl1e Publications Inciting... for Jihad Against
Anything American or Western"
"The state has made a mistake by letting its voice be weaker than the voices of the publications inciting ... for Jihad against anything
American or Western, on the basis of attitudes shaped in a [past] era, which the authors of these publications refuse to believe has
gone, never to return.
"It is therefOre now the duty of the liberal forces to enter the ideological fray against the authors of these publications, in order to
clarify the past, present, and future changes in the state, and to explain that the inciting, inflammatory and violent language is the
language of one who is unable to develop and to maintain a dialogue with intellectuals world-wide."
"The lie Behind the Inciting Claims that tl1e U.S. Is the Great Satan Must Be Exposed"
"One must expose the lie behind the inciting claims that the U.S. is the great Satan with eyes for Israeli interests alone, that the
changes and reforms currently taking place are merely the result of external pressures, and that the U.S. is [only) looking for some
opening that would enable it to exert additional pressures on the Egyptian state and to intervene in its political decisions. ExposIng
all these [lies] is the opening shot for the phase of an ideological breakthrough that would enable the Egyptian mind to examine
everything rationally and to reach rational conclusions Instead of being pushed toward a policy of SUicide, sacrificing society and its
citizens, like at the Khan AI-Khalili market."
"The Inciting Writings and Agitation ·Rely upon the Religious and [Pan-Arab] Nationalist Dimensions"
"As for the people: the citizens were collectively swept after the thing closest to their hearts, because the Inciting writings and
agItation rely upon the religious and [pan-Arab) nationalist dimensions. That Is why the time has come for each and every one of us
to relinquish collective thinking and to search, with hIS indiVidual mind, what will lead to the realization of the interests of the
Egyptian state, as well as his [own] interests...
"We are reqUired today to think rationally and to imagine where such [inciting) publications mIght lead us, [and to ask ourselves]
whether we are ready to accept that each of us harbors Within himself a latent terrorist who would destroy the state's and the
citizens' property, one who cannot be trusted not to kill those who rely upon us to protect them [i.e. tourists].
"Or else it is incumbent upon each of us to harbor within himself a modern enlightened citizen, who behaves with openness toward
others, who is interested in acquiring an education and in modernization, and who is not afraid of the West, but who influences and
is Influenced by it.
"From the above, one should not conclude - as some of the satellite news channels have hinted - that the state may be the cause
[of the acts of terrorism), in order to be able to enforce further restrictions upon the citizens, in an effort to restrain and to direct
the process of reform, which was imposed upon it from outside.
"Unfortunately, there have been [some people] who have accepted this [claim].
"We, on the other hand, conclude that the state should complete the steps of Its reform, by way of legislation and enhanced
implementation... [In addition,] the state must rely upon the non-governmental liberal organizations to establish a new elite that
would further develop the official discourse and would better convey the message to the citizens plainly and forcefully. All society's
political organizations must be allowed to express themselves. This way the state would respond most forcefully to the inciters and
would protect tht; minds of others from falling into the clutches of this kind of destructive thinking. Thus, the state would begin to
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confront the most serious obstacles [preventing] communication between it and its citi:zehs, who all oppose criminal actions like
these."
illAI-Ahram (Egypt), April II, 2005.
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BACKGROUND
MO OKs Iran to Begin Membership Talks
U.K. Official: Iran Reassures on Nukes
Iran OKs Two Reformists Candidates
Iran Leader: Include Reformers in Elections
Most Reformists Rejected From Iran Election
TEHRAN, Iran -Iran's hard-line Guardian Council ( search) on Saturday approved a law that puts pressure on the
government to develop nuclear technology that could be used to build atomic weapons, state run radio reported.
Parliament had passed the bill on May 15 and sent it to the Guardian Council for approval. The council must vet all bills
before they become law.
The passing of the law does not force the government to resume uranium enrichment immediately but encourages it to
pursue nuclear goals in spite of international pressure on Tehran over it~ nuclear program.
The law calls on the government to develop a nuclear fuel cycle, which would include resuming the process of enriching
uranium - a prospect that has drawn criticism from the United States and Europe (search) because the technology
could be used in developing atomic weapons.
Iran suspended enrichment last November under international pressure led by the United States. Iran maintains its
program is peaceful and only aimed at generating electricity.
The legislation was viewed as strengthening the government's hand in negotiations with European Union representatives,
allowing it to demonstrate domestic pressure to pursue its nuclear program as talks have deadlocked.
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Iran (!!!!:£.!!) agreed Wednesday to meet with European Union ( search) negotiators for a new round of talks in the
summer.
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France, Britain and Germany. acting on behalf of the 25-nation European Union, want Tehran to abandon its enrichment
activities in exchange for economic aid, technical support and backing for Iran's efforts to join the World Trade
Organization ( search).
The European Union has threatened to take Iran to the U.N. Security Council for possible sanctions if it again starts
uranium reprocessing. Tehran says it won't give up its treaty rights to enrichment but is prepared to offer guarantees that
its nuclear program won't be diverted to buUd weapons
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From:' . bilLcowan [bil'-COwan~

Sent: Friday, May 27,20058:15 PM
To: ti5tht; elv OASD-PA
Subject: RE: Hello
thanks, kiddo.
resp'y,
bill
From: OV OASD-PA [mailto (b)(6) I
sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:10 AM
To: 'bliLcowan'
Subject: RE: Hello
Thanks for writing. Betw you and me, lips sealed please, the SecDef is going to
address the group. It should be a good time. I will be watchin for ya. Be careful on
the bike and have fun. Next time you are in the building, just stop by and say hello.
(b)(6)
From: bilLcowan [mailto:bilLcowan@flMld
Sent: Thursday, May 26,20056:46 PM
To:rmtld elV OASD-PA
Subject: RE: Hello .
was in the Pentagon last week and almost called. then i thought, "naw. she has work to do!"
will do lots of Fox this weekend. got them to buy into a Rolling Thunder piece on Sunday. it"
be down there on my bike, in my leathers and 'stuff', being interviewed by Brian Wilson.
should be REAL fun!
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hope all is well with you too. you are one great gall
resp'y,
bill
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Subject: Hello
Hey Bill:
Just checking in to say hello. Haven't talked with you in a while. I hope this email
finds you well and that everything is going good for you. Keep up the good fight. Love
the commentary on Fox.
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NY TIMES 7534
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Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 12:23 AM
To:MMGi ; OV OASD-PA
SUbject: Today's Spectator (Babbin)
Bedtime for Bashar
By Jed Babbin
Published 5/23/2005 12:07:25 AM
It is the gravest of mistakes to think of Iraq -- or any other nation -- in isolation. And it is willfully ignorant to
ask when Iraqis will be able to defeat the insurgency, when Americans will withdraw, or when the violence in
Iraq will abate. Would you measure the safety of one family's home without examining the neighborhood it's in?
The security of every nation depends on the actions of its neighbors, and Iraq sits in one of the world's worst
neighborhoods. It can't be stable and democratic unless and until its neighbors -- Syria, Saudi Arabia and Iran -
end their interference. Unless we abandon Iraq, Americans will continue to die as a direct result of these
nations' actions until they are compelled to behave.
On that terrible morning of September II, 200 I, there was no way to get out of Washington. Sitting in my office
about two blocks from the White House and seeing nothing more constructive to do such as run through a
subway tunnel, I sat down at my computer and wrote about how we should respond to the most deadly attack on
our soil since Pearl Harbor. The article was published in the Washington Times the following day.
The article made two points. First, that we couldn't allow ourselves to be weakened by empty rhetoric urging a
"proportional response." Our response to the 9-11 attacks had to be decisive, and to be so our counterattack had
to be in proportion to our strength and not the enemy's relative size or weakness. Second, that no matter who the
enemy was, and no matter where he chose to seek refuge, we could allow him no sanctuary. We would have had
to attack the al Qaeda stronghold wherever it was. Had it not been Kabul but Damascus, Tehran, Beijing,
Pyongyang or Moscow our action would have had to be the same. If we had learned anything from Vietnam it
was that to allow sanctuary is to hand the means of victory to the enemy.
President Bush took much this same position in his tough speech to Congress a week later. Nations had to
choose, he said then, to be with us or with the terrorists. Since then something has been lost. Syria has chosen to
be with the terrorists, and we have done nothing decisive about the regime of Bashar Assad. We are paying too
high a price -- in the lives of our soldiers -- for this to continue one moment longer.
Commencing weeks before American forces slashed into Iraq in March 2003, our reconnaissance forces saw a
steady flow of cars and trucks going into Syria along the Baghdad-Damascus highway. About ten days into the
fighting, there was an intense fight near the border city of al-Qaim where our special forces took on a sizeable
Iraqi force moving through al-Qaim into Syria. The fierceness of the fight there -- as intense as any other before
Baghdad fell-- told us that the Iraqis were moving something they thought was of tremendous value. Was it
money, weapons or people the Iraqis moved then? It matters not. What matters is that Syria chose to provide
first a sanctuary for members of Saddam's regime and its assets and then comprehensive support for the Sunni
insurgents who fight only to prevent Iraq from becoming stable and free, and kill as many Americans as they can
in the process.
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NY TIMES 7535
We know that the majority ofthe suicide bombers killing people in Iraq come from Saudi Arabia to Syria where
they are helped to cross into Iraq. We know that money and weapons flow from Syria to the insurgents in Iraq.
We know sufficient details about where the insurgents meet and train in Syria to target those places for attack.
"Operation Matador," the week-long fight along the Syrian border that ended on May 14, disrupted the
insurgents' ability to cross into Iraq. At the cost of at least nine Marine lives, we stopped them but only for a
while.
The President has too much on his mind, and his advisers are divided. The CIA and the State Department point
to the small amount of cooperation we have been getting from Syria, and insist that we can compel them to do
more without taking firm action. The Defense Department is less tolerant. It wants to act, but apparently hasn't
even been allowed to ask the Iraqis for permission to mount an attack into Syria. Our failure to take decisive
action costs too much. The time has come to act.
First, either Vice President Cheney or the President himself needs to knock heads together, because no one else
can. CIA, State, and Defense have to be brought into line and resolved to action. Then State should deliver a
final ultimatum to Assad. If he fails to end his regime's support for terrorism forthwith -- and that means not
only the Iraqi insurgents, but Hezbollah and all the others that have operated from Damascus for decades -- he
must be told we will end it for him. The Iraqi government should be consulted, but its reluctance -- if it has any
-- to a cross-border attack must be dispelled or politely ignored. As soon as it is, special operations forces should
cross into Syria covertly, to lead a combined air and ground attack against the terrorists and whatever Syrian
assets are supporting them, from Qaim to Damascus. Whatever it takes, that is what we must do.
Syria is the immediate problem regarding Iraq. (Iran is no less immediate; but because of its nuclear program,
not its present involvement in Iraq.) Saudi Arabia is a different kind of problem.
The Saudis have, perhaps too late to save themselves, come to realize the dangers of terrorism. But because the
Saudis are Wahabis, and because the Wahabi version ofIslam is insecure, violent, and hostile, they still don't
take sufficient steps to stop the export of terrorists and terrorism. We can't disregard the power Saudi oil gives
them over our economy. But we can't be afraid of it either. Their insecurity is our handiest weapon.
Our cadre of evil geniuses can think of many ways to motivate Saudi behavior, and we should be using them all.
For example, cautious people that we are, the Pentagon should commission a secret study of how we might
intervene to restore order in the former Saudi Arabia after some massive terrorist attack annihilates the Saudi
royals, taking some of the oil infrastructure up with them. When that study is leaked (to Bob Novak, of course,
not the New York Times) how much more uneasy will rest the heads on which the Saudi crowns lie? Enough,
perhaps, to make some greater effort against those Saudis whose business it is to exhort and export terrorism?
The Saudis are crude in their manipulatioh of us. We should compel them to conclude that Machiavelli was a
wimp.
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· The American Spectator
Jed Babbin
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sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 4:23 PM
To: r,mhl av OASD-PA
Subject: Today's Spectator (Babbin)
Bedtime for Bashar

By HYPERUNK mailto :rimI5Nflmlan• • • • •lL!Je~dUB~ab...bin
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Published 5/23/2005 12:07;25 AM
It is the gravest of mistakes to think of Iraq -- or any other nation -- in isolation. And it is willfully
ignorant to ask when Iraqis will be able to defeat the insurgency, when Americans will withdraw, or
when the violence in Iraq will abate. Would you measure the safety of one family's home without
examining the neighborhood it's in? The security of every nation depends on the actions of its
neighbors. and Iraq sits in one of the world's worst neighborhoods. It can't be stable and democratic
unless and until its neighbors -- Syria, SaUdi Arabia and Iran .- end their interference. Unless we
abandon Iraq, Americans will continue to die as a direct result of these nations' actions until they are
compelled to behave. .
On that terrible morning of September 11, 2001, there was no way to get out of Washington. Sitting
in my office about two blocks from the White House and seeing nothing more constructive to do such
as run through a subway tunnel, I sat down at my computer and wrote about how we should respond
to the most deadly attack on our soU since Pearl Harbor. The article was published in the Washington
Times the following day.
The article made two points. First, that we couldn't allow ourselves to be weakened by empty rhetoric
27
NY TIMES 7538
urging a "proportional response." Our response to the 9·11 attacks had to be decisive, and to be so
our counterattack had to be in proportion to our strength and not the enemy's relative size or
weakness. Second, that no matter who the enemy was, and no matter where he chose to seek
refuge, we could allow him no sanctuary. We would have had to attack the al Oaeda stronghold
wherever it was. Had it not been Kabul but Damascus, Tehran, Beijing, Pyongyang or Moscow our
action would have had to be the same. If we had learned anything from Vietnam it was that to allow
sanctuary is to hand the means of victory to the enemy.
President Bush took much this same position in his tough speech to Congress a week later. Nations
had to choose, he said then, to be with us or with the terrorists. Since then something has been lost.
Syria has chosen to ~e with the terrorists, and we have done nothing decisive about the regime of
Bashar Assad. We are paying too high a price·· in the lives of our soldiers -. for this to continue one
moment longer.
Commencing weeks before American forces slashed into Iraq in March 2003, our reconnaissance
forces saw a steady flow of cars and trucks going into Syria along the Baghdad-Damascus highway.
About ten days into the fighting, there was an intense fight near the border city of al-Qaim where our
special forces took on a sizeable Iraqi force moving through al-Qaim into Syria. The fierceness of the
fight there - as intense as any other before Baghdad felt -- told us that the Iraqis were moving
something they thought was of tremendous value. Was it money, weapons or people the Iraqis
moved then? It matters not. What matters is that Syria chose to provide first a sanctuary for members
of Saddam's regime and its assets and then comprehensive support for the Sunni insurgents who
fight only to prevent Iraq from becoming stable and free, and kill as many Americans as they can in
the process.
We know that the majority of the suicide bombers killing people in Iraq come from Saudi Arabia to
Syria where they are helped to cross into Iraq. We know that money and weapons flow from Syria to
the insurgents in Iraq. We· know sufficient details about where the insurgents meet and train in Syria
to target those places for attack. "Operation Matador," the week-long fight along the Syrian border
that ended on May 14, disrupted the insurgents' ability to cross into Iraq. At the cost of at least nine
Marine lives, we stopped them but only for a while.
The President has too much on his mind, and his advisers are divided. The CIA and the State
Department point to the small amount of cooperation we have been getting from Syria, and insist that
we can compel them to do more without taking firm action. The Defense Department is less tolerant.
It wants to act, but apparently hasn't even been allowed to ask the Iraqis for permission to mount an
attack into Syria. Our failure to take decisive action costs too much. The time has come to act.
First, either Vice President Cheney or the President himself needs to knock heads together, because
no one else can. CIA, State, and Defense have to be brought into line and resolved to action. Then
State should deliver a final ultimatum to Assad. If he fails to end his regime's support for terrorism
forthwith -. and that means not only the Iraqi insurgents, but Hezbollah and all the others that have
operated from Damascus for decades -- he must be told we will end it for him. The Iraqi government
shOUld be consulted, but its reluctance -- jf it has any·- to a cross-border attack must be dispelled or
politely ignored. As soon as it is, special operations forces should cross into Syria covertly, to lead a
combined air and ground attack against the terrorists and whatever Syrian assets are supporting
them, from Qaim to Damascus. Whatever it takes, that is what we must do.
Syria is the immediate problem regarding Iraq. (Iran is no less immediate; but because of its nuclear
program, not its present involvement in Iraq.) Saudi Arabia is a different kind of problem.
The Saudis have, perhaps too late to save themselves, come to realize the dangers of terrorism .. But
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NY TIMES 7539
- -- --------
because the Saudis are Wahabis, and because the Wahabi version of Islam ;s insecure, violent, and
hostile, they still don't take sufficient steps to stop the export of terrorists and terrorism. We can't
disregard the power Saudi oil gives them over our economy. But we can't be afraid of it either. Their
insecurity is our handiest weapon.
Our cadre of evil geniuses can think of many ways to motivate Saudi behavior, and we should be
using them all. For example, cautious people that we are, the Pentagon should commission a secret
study of how we might intervene to restore order in the former Saudi Arabia after some massive
terrorist attack annihilates the Saudi royals, taking some of the oil infrastructure up with them. When
that study is leaked (to Bob Novak, of course, not the New York Times) how much more uneasy will
rest the heads on which the Saudi crowns lie? Enough, perhaps, to make some greater effort against
those Saudis .whose business it is to exhort and export terrorism?
The Saudis are crude in their manipulation of us. We shoUld compel them to conclude that
Machiavelli was a wimp.
(b)(6)
Researcher
050 Writers Group, RoomrmD
Telephone: _
Fax:~
HYPERLINK ''http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?artjd==8198"The American Spectator

Jed Babbin
Caveats: NONE
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Sent: Monday, May 23,20054:23 PM
To: CIV OASD·PA
Bedtime for Bashar

By JJ~.~LI;.f.1QRJJ!
Published 5/23/2005 12:07:25 AM
It is the gravest of mistakes to think of Iraq -. or any other nation -- in isolation. And it is willfully
ignorant to ask when Iraqis will be able to defeat the insurgency, when Americans will withdraw, or
when the violence in Iraq will abate. Would you measure the safety of one family's home without
examining the neighborhood it's in? The security of every nation depends on the actions of its
neighbors, and Iraq sits in one of the world's worst neighborhoods. It canIt be stable and democratic
unless and unti) its neighbors -- Syria, Saudi Arabia and Iran _. end their interference. Unless we
abandon Iraq, Americans will continue to die as a direct result of these nations' actions until they are
compelled to behave.
On that terrible morning of September 11, 2001, there was no way to get out of Washington. Sitting
in my office about two blocks from the White House and seeing nothing more constructive to do
such as run through a subway tunnel, I sat down at my computer and wrote about how we should
respond to the most deadly attack on our soil since Pearl Harbor. The article was published in the
Washington Times the following day.
The article made two points. First, that we couldn't allow ourselves to be weakened by empty rhetoric
urging a "proportional response." Our response to the 9-11 attacks had to be decisive, and to be so .
our counterattack had to be in proportion to our strength and not the enemy's relative size or
weakness. Second, that no matter who the enemy was, and no matter where he chose to seek refuge,
we could allow him no sanctuary. We would have had to attack the al Qaeda stronghold wherever it
was. Had it not been Kabul but Damascus, Tehran, Beijing, Pyongyang or Moscow our action would
have had to be the same. If we had learned anything from Vietnam it was that to allow sanctuary is to
hand the means of victory to the enemy.
President Bush took much this same position in his tough speech to Congress a week later. Nations
had to choose, he said then, to be with us or with the terrorists. Since then something has been lost.
Syria has chosen to be with the terrorists, and we have done nothing decisive about the regime of
Bashar Assad. We are paying too high a price -- in the lives of our soldiers -. for this to continue one
moment longer.
Commencing weeks before American forces slashed into Iraq in March 2003, our reconnaissance
forces saw a steady flow of cars and trucks going in,to Syria along the Baghdad-Damascus highway.
About ten days into the fighting, there was an intense fight near the border city of al-Qaim where our
special forces took on a sizeable Iraqi force moving through al-Qaim into Syria. The fierceness of the
fight there -. as intense as any other before Baghdad fell .- told us that the Iraqis were moving
something they thought was of tremendous value. Was it money, weapons or people the Iraqis
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moved then? It matters not. What matters is that Syria chose to provide first a sanctuary for members
cif Saddam's regime and its assets and then comprehensive support for the Sunni insurgents who fight
only to prevent Iraq from becoming stable and free, and kill as many Americans as they can in the
process.
We know that the majority of the suicide bombers killing people in Iraq come from Saudi Arabia to
Syria where they are helped to cross into Iraq. We know that money and weapons flow from Syria to
the insurgents in Iraq. We know sufficient details about where the insurgents meet and train in Syria
to target those places for attack. "Operation Matador," the week-long fight along the Syrian border
that ended on May 14, disrupted the insurgents' ability to cross into Iraq. At the cost of at least nine
Marine lives, we stopped them but only for awhile.
The President has too much on his mind, and his advisers are divided. The CIA and the State
Department point to the small amount of cooperation we have been getting from Syria, and insist that
we can compel them to do more without taking finn action. The Defense Department is less tolerant.
It wants to act, but apparently hasn't even been allowed to ask the Iraqis for pennission to mount an
attack into Syria. Our failure to take decisive action costs too much. The time has come to act.
First, either Vice President Cheney or the President himself needs to knock heads together, because
no one else can. CIA, State, and Defense have to be brought into line and resolved to action. Then
State should deliver a final ultimatum to Assad. Ifhe fails to end his regime's support for terrorism
forthwith -- and that means not only the Iraqi insurgents, but Hezbollah and all the others that have
operated from Damascus for decades -- he must be told we will end it for him. The Iraqi government
should be consulted, but its reluctance -- if it has any -- to a cross-border attack must be dispelled or
politely ignored. As soon as it is, special operations forces should cross into Syria covertly, to lead a
combined air and ground attack against the terrorists and whatever Syrian assets are supporting them,
from Qaim to Damascus. Whatever it takes, that is what we must do.
Syria is the immediate problem regarding Iraq. (Iran is no less immediate; but because of its nuclear
program, not its present involvement in Iraq.) Saudi Arabia is a different kind of problem.
The Saudis have, perhaps too late to save themselves, come to realize the dangers of terrorism. But
because the Saudis are Wahabis, and because the Wahabi version of Islam is insecure, violent, and
hostile, they still don't take sufficient steps to stop the export of terrorists and terrorism. We can't
disregard the power Saudi oil gives them over our economy. But we can't be afraid of it either. Their
insecurity is our handiest weapon.
Our cadre of evil geniuses can think of many ways to motivate Saudi behavior, and we should be
using them all. For example, cautious people that we are, the Pentagon should commission a secret
study of how we might intervene to restore order in the former Saudi Arabia after some massive
terrorist attack annihilates the Saudi royals, taking some of the oil infrastructure up with them. When
that study is leaked (to Bob Novak, of course, not the New York Times) how much more uneasy will
rest the heads on which the Saudi crowns lie? Enough, perhaps, to make some greater effort against
those Saudis whose business it is to exhort and export terrorism?
The Saudis are crude in their manipulation of us. We should compel them to conclude that
Machiavelli was a wimp.
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NY TIMES 7543
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Telephone:
fax: rlI.UiI
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Jed Babbin
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paulvallely~ , nashct@ijmM2ii I, ~Mlri ~
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Subject: Re: Today's Spectator
I'm withE And the Iranians aren't going to do a damned thing. Not until they have nukes, and then the
whole world changes.
Jed Babbin
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SUbject: Re: Today's Spectator
Some one should remind W that in 1986 without much outside help besides the UK we sent
Ghaddafi a "stronger message follows" that caused him to pull in his thugs dramatically. Tom knows
how that was done better than any of us. ) use every opportunity I have on Fox to make the same
case, except now it could be done without anyone's permission. unless we have to ask the minority
wing of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee or the UN for overflight rights to cross the
Mediterranean in a B-2 or Global Predator.
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Syria, not the Senate, should be on our minds today,
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Syria, not the Senate, should be on our minds today.
Jed Babbin
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From: PaUl Vallely [paulvallely
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To: •~1?i;\>;;' Vallely' . .
Subject: FW: U.S. Versus Syria and Iran: Winning the War on Terror ~ Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely - Vol. 4,
No. 23
From Jerusalem
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Subject: U.S. Versus Sy.ria and Iran: Winning the War on Terror - Maj. Gen .
. Paul Vallely - Vol. 4 , No. 23
Jerusalem Issue Brief
Institute for Contemporary Affairs

founded jointly at the Jerusalem Center for public Affairs .
with the Wechsler Family Foundation
Vol. 4, No. 23 - 23 May 2005
The U.S. Versus Syria and Iran: Winning the War on Terror
Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely (ret.)
• Before the World Trade Towers and the Pentagon were attacked, there
were eight countries supporting terrorism. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria,
Libya, and North Korea were involved in shipments of a~s to terrorists. Saudi Arabia
provided sanctuary, training, and funding for terrorist organizations.
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* This list has now been reduced to five countries, and some of these
are in transformation as well, including Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
* If we follow a strategy that takes the nation-states that continue to

support terrorism out of play, the non-state terrorist organizations will fade. For
example. Hizba11ah will fade if its umbilical cord with Iran can be cut.
* In November 2004, Fallujah was by far the most dangerous city in the
world. Now it is the safest city in Iraq. We cannot permit sanctuaries to exist anywhere
in the world that enable terrorist organizations to spread their terror.
* There is only one war today and that is the global war on terror
there are no other wars. The rest are campaigns within the war on terror.
The problem between Israel and the Palestinians will not be solved until we solve the
greater regional problems.
Only a Handful of States Back Terror
In the book End Game: The Blueprint for Victory in the War on Terror, Lt.
Gen. Thomas McInerney, who was vice Chief of Staff of the Air Force, and I offer a
strategy for winning the war on terror.
During the first term of the Bush administration, it was very apparent to us even before
the World Trade Towers and the Pentagon were attacked that there were eight countries
supporting terrorism. They included Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, and
North Korea, which were involved in shipments of a~s to terrorists. The eighth country is
Saudi Arabia, which has provided sanctuary. training, and funding for terrorist
organizations. This list has now been reduced to five countries, and Bome of these are in
transformation as well, inclUding Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. to some degree.
The Muslim Brotherhood moved to Saudi Arabia in 1954, and bin Laden was born there in
1957. The Saudis have spread their ideology of Wahhabism throughout the mosques of the
world, including some 1,500 in the United States primarily funded by Saudi Arabia. Radical
Islamic preachers have created a network of wahhabi schools, so the transformation also
has to occur Within the Muslim community.
The non-state terrorist organizations - Hizballah, Hamas. Islamic Jihad, Abu Sa'if in the
Philippines, Jemaah Islamiah in Southeast Asia and Indonesia - are all interconnected in
terms of funding and support mechanisms.
If we follow a strategy that takestne nation-states that continue to support terrorism

out of play, the non-state terrorist organizations will fade. For example, Hizballah will
fade if its umbilical cord with Iran can be cut.
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Elimi~ate Terrorist Sanctuaries
In November 2004, Fallujah was by far the most dangerous city in the world.
Now it is the safest city in Iraq and its people are moving back. In Fallujah we found an
enormous amount of arms and ammunition. Almost every building contained some type of arms.
We cannot permit sanctuaries to exist anywhere in the world that enable terrorist
organizations to spread their terror. The U.S. had allowed such a sanctuary in Fallujah.
It made the mistake of thinking ~t was possible to negotiate with those whose intention is
to kill and to take back the power that was taken away from them when Saddam fell.
Another mistake the U.S. made in Iraq was in setting up the coalition provisional
authority, which basically was a State Department organization in charge of a war zone. It
was a mistake not to call back the police and the military immediately, and it was a
mistake not to put in an interim government immediately, as the U.S. did in Afghanistan.
Once the United States committed to fight the Germans and the Japanese in world War II,
the war lasted three years and nine months. We are already in this global war on terror
for a longer period. The war has to be decisive, quick, and it has to have finality.
Having a long duration of combat results in more casualties for both the military and the
civilian populations. This war will continue for a long time unless certain things happen,
inclUding cutting off the money from the hation-states that provide a geographical base
for supporting terrorism.
There is only one war today and that is the global war on terror - there are no other
wars. The rest are campaigns within the war on terror. The problem between Israel and the
Palestinians will not be solved until we solve the greater regional problems.
Focus on Syria
It is possible that chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction were moved out of
Iraq between January 15 and March e. 2003. The U.S. has satellite pictures of la-wheel
trailer trucks going to two locations in Syria and one location in the Bekaa Valley.
If any military action is taken in Syria, it may focus on the training areas outside of
Aleppo. The U.S. should not tolerate any terrorist training camps in Syria that support
attacks on,coalition forces in Iraq.
Since Arafat passed away, Hizballah has become the main support for Hamas and Islamic
Jihad with financial support and arms. These terrorist organizations must be dealt with.
We must not be so naive as to think that we can negotiate with them.
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Pealing with Iran
If the U.S. selects a military option in Iran. it would probably not involve ground
forces. The action would inyolve covert operations and would primarily be done by air. The
U.S. has the capability to do what it has to.
If Iran is attacked, Russia will do nothing because it doesn't have the capability to do
much right now. china is not going to do anything either.
The Chinese are more interested in the transfer of technology and have no interest in
leaving their borders to come fight in the Middle East.
I believe that if the operation in Iran is done correctly, the Iranian people will take
care of the rest. The U.S. does not want to occupy that country.
* * *
Maj. Gen. Paul E. vallely (ret.) ,is military analyst for FOX News. He had a distinguished
32-year career in the U.S. Army, retiring in 1991 as deputy commanding general, U.S. Army,
Pacific. Gen. Vallely is chairman of the military committee at the Center for Security
Policy in Washington. D.C .. and is the co-author of End Game: The Blueprint for Victory in
the War on Terror (Regnery. 2004). This Jerusalem Issue Brief is based on his presentation
at the Institute for Contemporary Affairs in Jerusalem on March 9, 2005.
This Jerusalem Issue Brief is available online at:
ht tp: fwww.jcpa.org/brief/brief004-23.htm
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From: Paul vallely [paulvallely

Sent: Saturday. May 21, 2005 10: 5
To: Paul E Vallely
Subject: Iran
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Iran Said to Be Smuggling Nuclear Matter
By GEORGE J AHN, Associated Press Writer 10 minutes ago
'Iran is circumventing international export bans on sensitive dual-use materials by smuggling

graphite and a graphite compound that can be used to make conventional and nuclear weapons,
an Iranian dissident and a senior diplomat said Friday.
Graphite has many peaceful uses, including steel manufacture, but also can be used as a casing
for molten weapons-grade uranium to fit it to nuclear warheads or to shield the cones of
conventional missiles from heat.
With most countries adhering to international agreements banning the sale of such IIdual-use"
materials to Tehran, Iran has been forced to buy it on the black market, Iranian exile Alireza
Jafarzadeh told The Associated Press - allegations confirmed by a senior diplomat familiar
with Iran's covert nuclear activities.
While with the National Coalition of Resistance of Iran, Jafarzadeh disclosed information
about two hidden nuclear sites in Iran in 2002 that helped uncover nearly two decades of
covert Iranian atomic activity - and sparked present fears Tehran wants to build 'the bomb.
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Much of the equipment - including centrifuges for uranium enrichment and other technology
with possible weapons applications - waS acquired on the nucl~ar black market.
Jafarzadeh. whose organization was banned in the United States for alleged terrorist activity
and who now runs the Washington-based Strategic Policy Consulting think tank, said Iran waS
additionally smuggling and trying to manufacture a grophite-based substance called ceramic
matrix composite. The highly heat resistance compound is also used in missile technology.
He said he learned this from sources of information within Iran.
The diplomat, who requested anonymity because. of the sensitivity of his position, said Iran also
may be interested in acquiring specially heat~resistant "nuclear-grade graphitell t~at can. be
used as moderators to slow down the fission process in reactors generating energy.
While Iran does not now have reactors using such moderators. it insists it has the future right
to all aspects of peaceful nuclear technology.
w~ Trust Fox News

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From: Paul Vallely [paulvallely@~11~f:?@;:·%;i$~;' :;;:,\(:;:1:;::1

Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 1:48 PM
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Observations:
Why Islam is Disrespected (

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial opinion/oped/artides/2005/05/19/why. islam is
disrespected/> - Jeff Jacoby (Boston Globe)
... It was front-page news this week when Newsweek retracted Q report claiming that a U.S.
interrogator in Guantanamo had flushed a copy of the Koran down a toilet. Everywhere it was
noted that Newsweek's story had sparked widespread Muslim rioting, in which at least 17
people were killed. But there was no mention of deadly protests triggered in recent years by
comparable acts of desecration. against other religions - because they never occurred.
Christians, Jews, and Buddhists don't lash out in homicidal rage when their religion is insulted.
They don't call for holy war and riot in the streets.
'" The Muslim riots should have been met by outrage and condemnation. From every part of
the civilized world should have come denunciations of those who would react to the supposed
destruction of a book with brutal threats and the slaughter of 17 innocent people. But the
chorus of condemnation was directed not at the killers and the fanatics who incited them, but
at Newsweek.
'" The real desecration of Islam is not what some interrogator in Guantanamo might have
done to the Koran. It is what totalitarian Muslim zealots have been doing to innocent human
beings in the name of Islam. It' is 9/11 and Beslan and Bali and Daniel Pearl and the USS Cole. It
is trains in Madrid and schoolbuses in Israel and an insurgency" in Iraq that slaughters
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Muslims as they pray and vote and line up for work. It is Homos and al-Qaeda and sermons filled
with infidel-hatred and exhortations to "martyrdom. 1I
'" But what disgraces Islam above all is the vast majority of the planet's Muslims saying
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nothing and doing nothing about the jihadist cancer eating away at'their religion. It is Free
Muslims Against Terrorism, a pro-democracy organization, calling on Muslims and Middle
Easterners to " converge on our nation 's capital for a rally against terrorism" - and having only
50 people show up.
We Trust Fox News

Fox News Channel
Poul E Vallely
Military An
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Frorn:
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To: ~j2lli@~~~~ill@~~~~LtCol, OASD-PA
Cc: Te, OASD-PA: Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: Vallely Fox News Analyst
no thanks--busiest part of my day
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2005 9:43 AM
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FW: Vallely Fox News Analyst
~t~~lli0l would you (and anyone else who may be interested, I've cc'd a few here) like to have
coffee with Major General Paul vallely this coming Tuesday around 9 AM? He is a very
popular analyst on Fox News and would love to sit and chat with you guys (and ladies) for
a few minutes. Please let me know.
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To; !~L;;i?i";X:%Sm0@)~Ni:t!0%;::~Wtl;jC lV OASO- PA'
Subject: RE: Ours & Theirs ...
Sounds good. Around 9 or 9:15 Am Tuesday. I'll get lost so can we meet at
ASD O'Connell's office?
Fox News Channel

Paul E vallely
Military Anal
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Sent: Wednesday, May 1B, 2005 8:02 AM
To: 'Paul Vallely'
It would be my pleasure to join you for a cup of coffee. I can certainly
get Dallas to join us and would you like me to invite someone from Press
Ops? would that be something you'd be interested in and/or enjoy?
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Will be arriving in DC Monday afternoon. Scheduled 'to meet witn Tom
O'Connell at B AM Tuesday morning. Can we meet up at his office with you
around '9 and have a cup of coffee, will Dallas be in???? or we can meet with
anyone that you can suggest as well.
Fox News Channel

Paul E Vallely
Military Anal st
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From:' Paul Vallely rpaulvallely@~~OOC/(!ti!!Yi:i! i~/@l
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 9:08 PM
To: 'Thomas Mcinerney': 'Bill Cowan'; 'Chuck Nash'; BURM41516
SUbJect: FW: Operation Matador
Attachments: Fwd: Operation Matador
Fwd: Operation
Matador
Fox News Channel

Paul E Vallely
Military Anal st
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----- You need to read this about Matadorl!!!
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Frqm: . Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD,PA
To: 'Dan Senor'
SubJed: RE: tonight
I'm watching you on t,v. just now and realizing I never got back to you. Oops.
larry,
i've got to go on brit hume tonight regarding the

nyt's 'iraq is going to hell' seory.
any talkers?
also, lots of buzz at FOX about how NO iraqis
participated in the most recent operation along the
syrian border. if true, can you give me examples of
other recent operations where iraqis played an
important role? .
i want to challenge this conventional wisdom that the

iraqi security forces are impotent.
thanks!
-dan
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From: . Lawrence, DaUas, QASD-PA

To: 'Dan Senor
Subject: RE: tonight
jed babbin
From; Dan Senor [mailto:dansenor~~M~0%00m05*28%W
sent; Thursday, May 19, 2005 3:59 PM
To; Lawrence, Dallas,.OASD-PA
subject: RE: tonight
who is going on gibson?

--- "Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA"
<Dallas.Lawrence1~~~s~*~0~J wrote:
:> please let me know if you dont get an answer. i have another guy
> going on gibsons show at 5 to talk about the same thing
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:> To: Di Rita Larr, OSD-OASD-PA
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:> Subject: tonight
:>
:>
:> larry,
:>
:> i've got to go on brit hume tonight regarding the nyt's 'iraq is
:> going to hell' story.
>
:> any talkers?
:>
:> also, lots of buzz at FOX about how NO iraqis participated in the
:> most recent operation along the syrian border. if true, can· you give
:> me examples of other recent operations where iraqisplayed an
:> important role?
:> i want to challenge this conventional wisdom that the iraqi cecurity
:> forces are impotent.
:>
> thanks!
>
> -dan
>
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To: Paul Vallely I I
Sure thing. Do you have that room #? If not, I'll find it out prior to Tues.
Sounds good. Around 9 or 9:15 Am Tuesday. I'll get lost so can we meet at ASD O'connell's
office?
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Paul E Vallely
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Sent: wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:02 AM

To: 'Paul Vallely'
It would be my pleasure to join you for a cup of coffee. I can certainly get Dallas to
join us and would you like me to invite someone from Press Ops? Would that be somethin9
you'd be interested in and/or enjoy?
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will be arriving in DC Monday afternoon. Scheduled to meet with Tom O'Connell at SAM
Tuesday morning. Can we meet up at his office with you around 9 and have a cup of coffee,
Will Dallas be in???? or we can meet with
anyone that you can suggest as well.
Fox News Channel

Paul E Vallely
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paulvallel
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Sent: Wednesday, May lB. 2005 7:10 AM
To: 'Paul Vallely'; ~~1~th'';);Y'r%>)JVallely'
subject: RE: Ours & Theirs ...
This is priceless. ! shall send it to all the universe.
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Subject: FW; Ours & Theirs ...
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Subject: FW: Ours & Theirs ...
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From: ~~l~ID~i'2;;;i::'j~::i@:1@1::~:t:;i\#\tl CIV OASD-PA
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To: ~1J.)(~ti/ijiniZ3i;":i;:\mi;;:ll TC, OASD-PA; latimer, Matthew, OASD-PA
Subject: FW:Tues
If nothing prevents me from this here in the office, ! will be joining Major General
Vallely for coffee next Tues at 9 AM. If either of you are interested in meeting the
General (you'd have to be a big FoX News Fan), you are welcome to stop by.
Researcher
Department of
OSD Writers
Telephone:
Fax:
Will be arriVing in DC Monday afternoon. Scheduled to meet with Tom O'Connell at 8 AM
will Dallas be in???? or we can meet with anyone that you can suggest as well.
FOX News Channel .
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From: [~!1~li;;J!:Wi!E;:W!'!;1CIV. OASD-PA
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:24 AM
Subject: mention to tamsen!!
reo bob mcmanus .... see below. thanks.
Subject: Bob Mcmanus, NY Post
Just got a note from Bob McManus, Editorial Page Editor at the NY Post.
He doesn't grumble "much" for being a former submariner, but he was lamenting to me today
that he's been downgraded twice now by his fleet week contact from a frigate/destroyer to
a one day tiger cruise aboard a carrier.
{He thinks that the small boys are more compelling a story .... J
Bob's seriously pro-Navy, a vet, and as editor of the country's 6th largest paper with
three full op-ed pages (and with the same circulation as the NY Times in NYC), I thinkthis
is an opportunity too good for the Pentagon to pass up.
(The Post also has the country's third most trafficked newspaper web site .... )
Could you guys look into this and make sure Bob's treated well ... 1.
He I s at mcmanus~e:~~kMii'j)'!@\!iml'~1;(;1or
Thanks and
Best,
Pete
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From:
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~~I~~Nare you interested in seeing Paul Vallely before you leave for Florida. If so, you
are welcome to join he and I at coffee next Tuesday here in the Pentagon at 9 AM. Please
let me know.
Will be arriving in DC Monday afternoon. Scheduled to meet with Tom O'Connell at 8 AM

Will Dallas be in???? or we can meet with anyone that you can suggest as well.
Fox News Channel

Paul E Vallely
Mil i tary Ana
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From: OASD~PA
Sent: .... 17,200512:28 PM
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Subject: RE: transcript participant question
If you could put it on your list of things to do, I am quite curious.
. Can wait til next week, certainly.
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Subject: RE: transcript participant question
he's not a military analyst. i'm assuming he's one of the vsos. not sure. i could look, but it wi11t8ke me a while.....
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Sent! 17, 2005 11:14 AM
To: CIV, OASD·PA
Subject: participant Question
Who is Gen. Joe Ross who was listed on Friday's call?
I dor't have him in my database.
Thanks,
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From:
Sent:
To:
Subject:
Thanks! Good to have.
CIV,
Attached is a transcript from Friday's conference call with Mr. Wynne and Mr. Grone with the military analysts and
outreach groups about the BRAe list.
I am the only person who's proofed this. I have the tape.
The call was on background.
Forwarded to those on list In case any of you can use it.
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Conference call with military analysts and outreach groups on BRAC announcement.
. May 13,2005, 1130
Ms. Barber's office
rIe ers: Mr. Mike Wynne, Mr. Phil Grone

Moderator: Mr. Dallas Lawrence, OSD-PA
Transcribed by OSDPA
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1. C/ OSD Public Affairs Staff Pentagon

2. Deidre Holleman Retired Enlisted Association . Alexandria,
VA
3. Erin Harting Enlisted Association of the National Alexandria,
Guard VA
4. Lt Gen Erv Rokke Moravian College Bethlehem, PA

(USAF ret)
5. Col. Jeffrey CBS News Carlisle, PA
McCausland (USA, ret)
6. Michael Lucinski Business Exec. for National Security Washington,
DC
7. Maj. Gen. Paul VallelY Fox News Washington,
(USA, Ret) DC
8. Gen. Joe Ross retired Anchorage,
AK
9. Maj Gen Don Shepperd CNN Washington,
(USAF, ret) DC
10. Col. Ken Allard (USA, MSNBC Mobile, AL

ret)
tl. Margaret Murphy OSD Public Affairs Staff Pentagon
12. John Garrett Patton Boggs Washington,
DC
13. Maj Gen Perry Smith CBS Radio San Diego,CA
(USAF, ret)
14. Kate Bergen Cohen Group Washington,
DC
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15. Jed Babbin American Spectator Magazine Lovettsville,

(AF, fanner JAG) VA
16. Don Peterson Air Force Assoc Washington,
DC
- 17. Jim Noone Washington Group Washington,
DC
18. LTC Tim Eads (USA Fox Washington,
ret) DC
19. Lt Geo Thomas Fox News. Washington,
McInerney (USAF, ret) DC
Mr. Lawrence: Good afternoon folks, this is Dallas Lawrence at the Pentagon. Thank
you for joining us this afternoon for our conference call on the BRAC announcement this
afternoon. We are joined today by Michael Wynne, the undersecretary for acquisition and
technology and logistics, and Mr. Phil Grone, the deputy undersecretary for installations
and environment.
This conference call will be on background, so please if you attribute anything, please
attribute it to senior defense department officials. We're going to go ahead and open the
call with Mr. Wynne who's here with us, who has a brief statement on the overview of
the process, and then we'll be opening it up for questions. With that, Mr. Wynne?
Mr. Wynne: Good morning. My name is Mike Wynne for those of you who have never
met me or don't know me, and I'm the undersecretary of defense for acquisition,
technology and logistics, and I've had the interesting opportunity to not only chair one of
the Joint Cross~Service Groups, but also to chair the Infrastructure Steering Group, and
be the executive secretary on the Infrastructure Executive Council, and I'll try to detail
what those three elements were.
As we organize this base realignment and closure, in a November 2001 memo from the
secretary of defense, he asked that we involve more heavily - in order to drive
transfonnation and jointness - a team called Joint Cross-Service Groups. The Joint
Cross-Service Group that I was particularly a member of was the Industrial Joint Cross~
Service Groups, and the Industrial Joint Cross-Service Groups consisted really of
maintenance, shipbuilding, ship repair and depots - arsenals, arsenals meaning the
production of military munitions.
That having been said, this Joint Cross-Service Group (inaudible) is different from last
time, was actually able to surface their recommendations, not just to the military
departments close to the end of the process, but throughout the process, and their
recommendations then informed the military departments about where joint opportunities
might have been that they did not recognize the previous time.
All ofthe recommendations from the Joint Cross-Service Groups, which were by the way'
also populated by military service representatives, went up to the Infrastructure Steering
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Group. This group was really consisted of all the vice chiefs of staff of all the services,
and the infrastructure and environment senior leadership for the services, as well as the
office of the secretary of defense.
Mr. Lawrence: If J could ask everyone on the phone to please put their phones on mute
that would appreciate that for the background noise. Sorry sir; go ahead.
Mr. Wynne: That's fine. And once, so this Infrastructure Steering Group then began to
apply some integrated military value to this. The first thing we did was we went out to the
field, I mean nationwide, domestically, and asked for capacity data so that we could focus
in on what constituted core requirements and what constituted surge in all of the various
aspects that you might measure it. And it is different, by the way, for each of the
functional areas. For example, a surge in training may take some time, whereas a surge
industrially might be a lot shorter and you might be able to handle it a little easier. A
surge in mobilization could be considered in a different way.
ThatInfrastructure Steering Group then - also I asked that the military departments might
bring their recommendations in order that we could have a similar format and a similar
methodology to the way we presented material to the next level up, which was chaired by
the deputy secretary, the secretaries of the departments, and the chiefs of staff for the
function as well as the chairman of the Joint Staff.
Those what we call draft candidate recommendations were then presented to the
Infrastructure Executive Committee, where they debated 'the merits and footprint as the
force structure might come down, following the process as if all of our thousand or more
scenarios might corne true.
As a result of that, they were really vetted down to about 222 recommendations, many of
them integrated, and when I say integrated, many of them contained one or more of the
scenarios.
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to avoid it as best I can.
Those draft recommendations then were vetted through the Infrastructure Executive
Council and then packaged up.
The secretary's involvement was as follows. The secretary was the architect of the
process; in other words, he was the one who set up this Infrastructure Steering Groups,
the Joint Cross-Service Groups, the interaction of the military departments, and basically
provided the authorities by which we operated.
The next thing he did was he kept asking me about the process discipline. Have we asked
all ofthe field for data? Did the data get vetted through the military departments? Was
the military departments involved in the process? Did we involve the combatant
commanders? All of this in the view of outreach. And then at the very end of the process
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he essentially took possession of the recommendations as they were presented through his
deputy, the deputy secretary, and did a pointed question and answers with each of his
senior military advisors from the chainnan of the Joint Chiefs of Staff through the head
of the services.
As you saw in the press conference if you had the chance to watch, all of them stood tall
behind the secretary essentially supporting his recommendation and the outcome.
The next steps - in fact as 1said in the press conference I just concluded, this really
concludes the Department of Defense's portion of this exercise, with the exception that I
have to go testify to the Commission, as well as does all of the service secretaries, the
chiefs of staff and the secretary himself to the Commission to give them, if you will, a
kickoff and a lead into this vast volume of data. And I mean 25 million bits of data that
were collected and assembled. And we are trying to construct an orderly process that it
might be transmitted and we might train their staff, so that they can do their independent
look.
Once that's concluded of course, theit independent look, they then would forward this to
the president. I believe, Phil, the president has an opportunity to review this. He can make
changes or make suggestions and send it back to the Commission. Once he does that,
then the Commission then forwards the revised package to him, or he can forward the
package as is, where is the Congress then has 45 days on an up-or-down basis to vote a
resolution of disapproval, which is then subject to presidential review.
Now, we are very concerned because this activity that we've been involved in will affect
33 major bases. The definition of major base is a plant replacement value in excess of
$100 million. It will affect 29 major realignments, where a major real ignment is a loss of.
approximately 400 positions or more. And there are approximately -let's see if I can get
this number right, there are approximately 49 bases and across American where over 400
personnel will be gained. And all of those by the way are up on our web site right now,
specifically through the BRAC, if you will, sub portal.
Mr. Lawrence: Which is www.defenseJink/BRAC.
Mr. Wynne: Now, what I would like for Phil Grone to go through, and Phil is the deputy
undersecretary for instal1ations and environment under the secretary of defense's office.
And Secretary Grone and I have worked tirelessly over the course of the last two years to
essentially discipline the process so that the data was clearly certifiable, that we went
through an auditable process, and that we in tact evidenced the right kind of compassion
for the communities that are affected.
Just so you understand what 1 mean by transparency, the General Accountability Office
and the Office of the Inspector General were with us at every step, building of every
model, the vetting of every scenario, so that even the scenarios that were, if you will,
rejected, were subject to their review and consideration, and will be, I think, evident to
the Commission.
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So what I would like for Secretary Grone to go through now is what's in place to support
the affected communities after they've given such terrific service to the our service
people. Phil?
Mr. Grone: Thank you, sir. And at the outset, I just want to mention a couple of things,
comment on one other, and then we can go to questions.
As some of you may know, the president yesterday amended a prior executive order and
reissued and reaffinned policy with regard to the Defense Economic Adjustment
Program, also establishing in the executive order, following on some statutory changes
the Economic Adjustment Committee, which is an interagency committee.
The secretary of defense will chair, with the secretary of labor and the secretary of
commerce, as vice chairs of that committee. Its purpose, and the purpose of the executive
order, and the purpose of our programs are to assist communities as they go through
transition, particularly those communities that lose a major base or that lose direct and
indirect jobs as a result of these closure and realignment actions, to help get them in a
position of viable economic reuses as expeditiously as possible.
We will, and the Office of Economic Adjustment at Defense, will serve in many ways as
a clearinghouse for the broader federal response to defense economic adjustment. We are
going to work very, very closely and have already begun a process working with our
interagency partners to position ourselves well for point in this process where we will get
to key economic reuse decisions. .
Internally, our programs remain very much the way they have been in the past, and our
coIleagues in Personnel and Readiness have been updating those with regard to civilian
assistance and reemployment, our priority placement programs. The homeowners'
assistance program remains in place for those who need assistance or have difficulty
selling a home as a result of a closure, particularly a closure decision.
The Labor Department will also be working with worker retraining programs, and some
of our other sister federal agencies - Commerce among them - will be working with us
on economic development grants so we can provide to local communities. So it will be a
very broad federal response assuming the recommendations do become law. And that's
where we are on that. And I guess at this point we go to questions.
Mr. Wynne: So what we'd like to do is open it up for questions. I guess I don't have a
suggestion, do you?
Mr. Lawrence: No. Just questions for the group if you want to bring them in again,
remembering this is on background.
Mr. McCausland: This is Jeff McCausland with CBS. Thank you for the presentation.
Two quick questions. One is, there's still this question about the so-called legal findings
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in tenns of whether or not we can close National Guard sites absent the concurrence of
the governor. I notice that the Army has like 211 National Guard sites by itself that's
going to be closed. And I understand Mr. Prinicipi has made that inquiry, so has that legal
fmding been made? And second of all, obviously there's very large number of lease
facilities in the DC and northern Virginia closed down. Can we assume that the
realignment across the nation is basically soaking up those activities and those personnel.
or is that going to be a separate thing because of all the office space movement?
Mr, Grone: Well, I think on the, let me take the lastpiece first. On the leasing piece. as
the secretary spoke to, our decisions on leasing d,o have an effect and had an effect on
whether we had excess capacity or not. But J wouldn't look at them in quite the way you
did. I would look at them in ways in which we were looking to improve efficiency.
military effectiveness and improve our cost structure by getting out oflong-term leased
space and moving aboard military installations that had capacity.
There's also a secondary benefit, and a very important benefit, in tenns of the additional
protection for our people and our missions that moving aboard an installation will
provide. That said, we're not entirely abandoning leased space. We do need to manage it
more effectively, and we're going to do that, and BRAC has a very large statement in that
regard, but it is a matter of ongoing emphasis in the department to see how we can most
effectively manage both our resources, our space to provide protection for people and
mission.
And on the question of the Guard. Certainly we have indicated, and Mr. Wynne indicated
we would have (were to?) follow all applicable law with regard to the Air National Guard
and the Army National Guard. We have made these kind of adjustments in previous
rounds ofBRAC; they've not been challenged before. J underst~nd that some folks desire
to challenge those, but we believe that we have taken into account all applicable federal
statute.
And in regard to the Anny National Guard specifically and the state facilities, the way in
which the recommendations were structured, and I think it would be helpful if you had an
opportunity to look at them, what we're trying to do is what General Cody spoke to is
combining these scattered reserve facilities that support the Guard and Reserve into a
unified, joint reserve or readiness center that can accommodate the needs of the joint
force and the needs of the Reserve components.
But importantly with regard to the state-controlled facilities, the recommendations are all
written in a way that the new Air Force - or Armed Forces Reserve Center for example,
and I'm looking at one specifically in the state of Nebraska, shall have the capability to
accommodate Nebraska National Guard units from the Nebraska Army - the Army
National Guard Readiness Center at a given location if the state decides to relocate those
National Guard units. And the point that General Blum made was that we have done this
exercise with the adjutants general. The govemor, at the end of the day, with a state
owned facility, has the choice - to move in there, and to provide for a better-supported
force. We think we're doing the right thing by this. The adjutants general think we're
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doing the right thing by this. And the Guard chiefs in this building - Anny and Air Force
- believe we're doing right by this. So I think we've had a very cooperative process in
that regard, and I expect we're going to get significant force transfonnation as a result.
Mr. Lawrence: Next question please.
Mr. Sheppard: Don Sheppard, CNN. Is it my understanding that the president has until
the 23 rd of September and he has to accept the whole list in its entirety, he cannot make .
adjustments on the list itself, is that correct?
Mr. Wynne: Don as I understand it, the president can - I think it's the - we're going to
get the specific date for you - I had in my mind the 181h , for whatever reason. I think the
president can send the list back, remand it back to the Commission, with suggestions. For
example, he could remand it back with suggestions where his staff has a specific
objection or a suggestion to either our recommendation, by the way. or to the
Commission's recommendation. But then they have an opportunity to revise it or leave it
alone. And once he does that one time, it then goes to the president on an up-or-down
acceptance. So I think you have that part right. And then when it goes to Congress it's
also an up-or-down acceptance. Or excuse me, an up-or-down rejection, because I think
the Congress is a ....
Mr: Grone: Joint resolution.
Mr. Wynne: Joint resolution of disapproval. Do you have the date?
Mr. Lawrence: I'll email the date out to the group.
Mr. Grone: The Commission's process - their deadline is the Slh of September. The
president has until- I believe it's the 23 rd , but I think Dallas is right, we ought to be
specific with regard to the date.
Mr. Lawrence: We will email a timeline out to everyone and I am pretty sure - the
timeline is actually on the BRAC website. Which again, I left the dot mil off. It's
www.defenselink.miIlBRAC. And there is a full BRAC timeline on there.
Mr. Wynne: And I think yes, we gave a presentation yesterday, or the day before - no,
yesterday, which had that timeline in it Don and just for precision we appreciate you
taking a look at that.
Mr. Allard: Ken Allard, MSNBC. Two things. Number one, the web site is seriously
overloaded; you can't get to it. The second is can you describe the impact, if any, that
various considerations related to homeland security, homeland defense may have had on
your deliberations? Did you apply that matrix to your thoughts on what ought to be
closed?
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Mr. Wynne: I would say that it's all part of the criteria. And when our military leadership
took a took at it, it was in, it was - because they were already participating in many
aspects of homeland defense, that was a consideration, particularly when it came to
militaryjudgment or military value. That's the way that we had postured it. There wasn't
- I would add - there wasn't for example an interaction with the Department of
Homeland Security specifically looking at each of the recommendations, but it was
through the military involvement of the combatant commanders like North Command,
and ~hat kind of a thing that we felt we had the implications pretty well covered.
Mr. Allard: So when you do something like recommend the closing of Otis in
Massachusetts (Otis Air National Guard Base) we can assume the fact that you had also
looked at the standpoint of, hey, how do we cover the air space in New England, for
example?
Mr. Wynne: Yes, sir, you can.
Mr. Lawrence: Next question, please.
Ms. Holleman: Deirdre Holleman from TREA? (Retired Enlisted Association). Mr.
.Wynne, except for your testimony before the Commission do you know when they're
planning, or what their plans are for community or public testimony?
Mr. Grone: Do you want me to take it?
Mr. Wynne: Go ahead, please.
Mr. Grone: My - this is Phil Grone. My understanding is, and the Commission, my
understanding is the Commission has only announced the schedule through next week.
Ms. Holleman: That's all I found.
Mr. Grone: And that would include General Taylor's testimony as well. My
understanding from discussion with the Commission staff is largely they were waiting on
the transmission of the list to begin to figure out and plan for their next set of activities. I
would direct you directly to them, but I would expect they would go out into the field and
take hearings and input from folks pretty quickly, so. But they hadn't announced a
schedule because frankly they didn't know where to go.
Mr. Wynne: But I do know that this is really the time, if you will, for the communities to
probably communicate with the staff to make sure that they are -- that they can get their
story told and, if you will, put forward their best arguments. I think the Commission staff
has said they are going to take a very independent look at not only our data, but data that
the individual communities (surface?), and take that all on board. It's something that you
all ought to consider is that we could not, we could not take advantage of community
input in our submissions, other than the community input that had been ongoing for
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many, many years. The Commission, however, can take into account community input
that is not only present but planning.
Ms. Holleman: Thank you.
Mr. Smith: Yes, this is (General) Perry Smith from CBS. r am having a hard time getting
on your website also, so let me just ask a couple quick questions. r live down in Georgia.
Where are the missions from Fort McPherson and Fort Gillem, where are they going to
go?
Mr. Wynne: Let's see if! can find those.
Mr. Lawrence: You know, also, every<me on this list received the BRAC
recommendation was emailed out to all of you folks about an hour and a half ago. But it
wouldn't have had that piece on. Hold on a second, we're looking.
Mr. Wynne: What we're doing is looking specifically at the Army recommendation for
Fort McPherson to try to get you that answer.
Mr. Grone: I got it.
Mr. Lawrence: Mr. Grone has your answer.
Mr. Grone: Let me, let me if you'll bear with me for a second, because the
recommendation is at some length.
Mr. Lawrence: Do you want to ta.ke another question while you read that real quick?
Mr. Grone: No. ]n the case of Fort Gillem, the headquarters First Anny is to relocate to
Rock Island Arsenall11inois, and there are several other mission moves that move
functions to a number of other locations. The second recruiting brigade to Redstone
Arsenal, the 52 nd (EOD?) group to Fort Campbell, the 81 st (ROC?) equipment
concentration site to Fort Benning, the Third Anny moves to - support office moves to
Shaw Air Force Base, headquarters U.S. Force Command VIP explosive ordnance
support to Pope Air Force Base, and a number other moves. So ] just ask you to bear with
this. And within the case of Fort McPherson, ['11 just mention the major piece of course..
Relocating Force Comrn (?) and the headquarters of the U.S. Army Reserve Command
(to?) Pope Air Force Base North Carolina. And the headquarters of the Third Army to
Shaw.
Mr. Wynne: OK, 1 think that's enough. I think if you got the part about Rock Island for
the First and then to Pope Air Force Base for McPherson I think that would probably do
it.
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Mr. Lawrence: Next Question please. Are there any other Questions?
Mr. McCausland: Jeff McCausland, back on the Commission for a second. Am I

understanding that the Commission will really only work with the list in tenns of saying .
a particular base listed for closure should not be closed, or should perhaps be realigned?
They're not going back and looking at those bases that are not affected at all? Is that
correct?
Mr. Grone: No, that's not. ..
Mr. McCausland: Look at the bases that are only being realigned? Or are they going to
focus solely on the bases listed for closure?
Mr. Wynne: No. I would tell you first of all the Commission is fairly independent, so it's
hard for me to bound their mission. But the - historically, they have not only taken bases
that are candidates fDr realignment and closure and, if you will, peered into our analysis
and detennined whether it's right or wrong, they've actually removed bases or they have.
the ability to move the bases.
What has happened this year is different than last time is they have the right to add a
base, or to change a scenario, based on the data that we collected. However, the Congress
has made it hard for them by demanding that seven out of nine (Commissioners) vote to
put a base in contention. They have to visit the base, specifically hear from the
community leadership, and then they have to take a second round vote and again achieve
a seven of nine majority in order for that base to be recommended for closure.
So I would tell you that they have a lot of rights, some of them you might consider to be
restricted, but it is not - they are not just restricted to the bases that are listed here for
either major or minor realignment or closure. They have access to our entire database.
And we collected information on every base throughout America. I mean, the downside
of what we did was frankly that it caused some consterna~ion in areas where there didn't
need to be, but we felt we had to examine -border to border - all of our domestic bases.
Mr. Allard: Ken Allard again. One of the things that stru~k me about this round was the
very significant input that appears to have taken place from the standpoint of doing this
thing from ajoint service perspective. The two aspects of that that seem most significant
were the reserve community and the medical community. Any other aspects that you can
point to in that aspect ofconsideration? .
Mr. Wynne: Yes. There are about 14 centers of excellence that we attempted to construct.
Funny thing - I mean, one of them was because the secretary, in fact. had asked early on
why our drivers were trained differently and asked about how that was to be. And SO we
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fonned a center of excellence essentially for transportation instruction. We also formed

one for culinary. In other words the chefs for the various services had previously been
done in their own are now being done in one location...
Voice: Where? I gotta ask that?
Mr. Wynne: Do you remember where that was?
Mr. Lawrence: We'll get it to you.
Mr. Wynne: We'll get it to you. But there's 14 centers of excellence. The most significant
one I would say in that regard was the Joint Strike Fighter initial pilot training is going to
be at p,glin Air Force Base (Florida) at ajoint location. And the reason this is significant
is those of you who were pilots, and some of you I am sure were, the services were very
possessive of how they train. But they·· and they still will retain advanced pilot training
but in this case they collaborated on a single initial pilot training base and they all, if you
will, consensus arrived at Eglin Air Force base as being that location.
Mr. Grone: As we approach lunch time, I am happy to infonn you that the joint center for
excellence for culinary training will be established at Fort Lee Virginia.
(Laughter)
Voice: Hey, 1 hope you have lunch there.
Mr. Lawrence: Do we have any other questions from the group?
Voice: Thanks very much.
Mr. Wynne: Thank you very much.
Mr. Lawrence: Thank you.
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To: Ruff 'c SES OASD-PA
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Russia's stubborn pro·Saddam stance in the UN Security Council brought Vladimir Putin's
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from the UN Oil for Food Program, according to two detailed reports being released today
by the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations (PSt). Those bribes have fueled
Putin's drive to restore authoritarian government in Russia. It is more than just corruption.
Senate investigators say Saddam's penetration of the Russian political. system was so deep
that it could -- and did -- cause the passage of pro-Iraqi measures in the Russian Duma.
Senators Norm Coleman (R-MN) and Carl Levin (D-MI) sent their investigators to Iraq
where they interviewed 16 former top officials of Saddam's regime. The staffers and their
Senate bosses have been digging through thousands of documents in Iraq and here,
including the corporate records of Texas oil trader BayoU. And they have struck
investigative gold.
From the speed with which the Senate investigators hit paydirt, it's easy to see why the
Volcker team hasn't even attempted to chase the leads that were staring them in the face. If
Volcker's crew had been serious, they could have pursued the big smell emanating from the
Russian side of the oil transactions Saddam had been· making. The Senate investigators
detected the strong odor of rotting fish when they reached the obvious conclusion that
Russia -- an oil exporter -~ had somehow been the recipient of about 30% of the oil
allocations (Le., oil contracts awarded) under the Oil for Food scam without a drop of the
OFF Program oil being delivered to Russia. The Senate investigation to date has concluded
that one of the Russian government's most capable "fixers" -- one Vladimir Zhirinovsky.
was only the most visibly corrupted Russian official. Digging a bit deeper. the PSI folks
found that the Russian Presidential Council, Putin's Unity Party (latterly named, the "United
Russia Party"), the Congress Party and Russia's minister offoreign affairs all received
massive oil allocations from the UN program.
Cut back to the Iraqi side of the ledger. According to the PSI reports, 1he large oil
transactions were doled out to those doing Saddam's bidding and those he wanted to
seduce. Saddam approved many of the transactions personally, while others were
approved by his chief henchmen including his veep, Taha Yasin Ramadan, and Foreign
Minister Tariq Aziz. According to the PSI reports, Ramadan said that the oil allocations-
which could be sold for large commissions _. often resulted in profits for the recipients and
were intended as "compensation for support" in the UN Security Council. (Tariq Azjz told
the PSI that Putin's party received a large number of oil allocations because Russia was
taking positions in the Security Council that favored Iraq. Those positions pressured the
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Security Council to end the sanctions regime without forcing th'e completion of the WMD
inspections.)
When Saddam got a bit greedier the allocations also resulted in "surcharges" paid back to
Saddam's regime. These "surcharges" (in the Bronx, we called them "kickbacks") of up to
30 cents per barrel were paid into special bank accounts that were under the control of
Saddam's regime and were used to fund terrorism, weapons purchases, and pretty much
everything else Saddam was forbidden under the 1991 cease-fire agreements that granted
him a reprieve he didn't deserve. (PSI plans more reports on how the funds were used to
pay for terrorism and arms purchases.)
TO BE FAIR TO PUTIN, it's likely that the oil allocations to ensure his loyalty to Saddam
only began after he began, in the summer of 2000, to pressure the UN for an end to the
sanctions against Saddam. But once Putin and his cronies began receiving this
"compensation for support," they were loath to see it end. And they put their pay to good
use. The Russian Presidential Council the PSI report names is, according to Senate
investigators, the mechanism Putin has used to consolidate power over local governments
in his drive to return Russia to autocracy. (PSI says that the RPC has been referred to by
other names by other sources. It is apparently the Presidentiar State Council established by
Putin about a year after he was elected in 1999.) Funded by Iraqi bribe money, Putin has
used the Council to bring pressure on regional officials to surrender power to the Kremlin.
This is part and parcel of Putin's anti-democracy campaign that saw ballot alterations and
pressure on media in the 2003 Duma election, increased Putin's control of the jUdiciary, and
may yet end the direct election of regional governments.
The RPC apparently began receiving oil allocations at the behest of Aleksandr Stalevitch
Voloshin, who is credited with a large role in Putin's rise to power. Voloshin ran Putin's first
presidential campaign, helped create the "Unity Party" and -- as the PSI report says -- has
been described as tl a guide for those who needed things 'fixed' at the Kremlin." According to
one source PSI quotes, lithe Putin-Voloshin link is the strongest link in the [Russian] political
game," Voloshin, himself a recipient of oil allocations, sent a friend, Sergei Isaakov, to Iraq
to sign many of the oll allocation contracts for the Russian Presidential Council.
According to the PSI report on the Russian Presidential Council, the RPC received oil
allocations amounting to 90 million barrels. These allocations were passed through Russian
government intermediaries (strawman companies appointed and apparently controlled by
the RPC) and sold through the Texas oil trader Bayoll. Bayoll, in turn, paid commissions to
the Russian government middlemen which amounted to millions of dollars. In just the period
of August through October 2000, Bayoil paid $1.9 million to two named strawman
companies, "Haverhill" and "Rusnaftaimpex" on oil allocations to the Russian Presidential
Council. On one allocation contract, PSI estimates the payments to RPC .- asfdefrom what
was paid to the strawmen -~ amounted to about $850,000. MUltiplied over the 90 million
barrels, the profits to Putin's political machine could easily amount to tens of millions of
dollars.
The Senate PSI will hold hearings on these reports tomorrow, and more and more details of
how Saddam's bought Russians served him in the UN will come out. PSI's investigation will
continue and -- because Coleman and Levin won't let this go - will penetrate deeper and .
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deeper into the swamp of Oil for Food. And while they do, the UN' remains adamant in its
coverup of the scandal. It's still business as usual in Turtle Bay. Even on the most important
issue we face today.
WHILE OIL FOR FOOD GRABS the headlines, the Iran nuclear problem festers. The EU-3
are about to be forced to admit the utter demolition of their diplomacy by the Iranian
mullahs. The negotiations ~ave come to naught, and the Iranians are threatening to resume
the enrichment of uranium (which they probably never stopped) if the Eunuchs don't cave
in. Thankfully, Britain is on the brink of agreeing with us to demand that Iran be brought
before the UN Security Council for sanctions. British realism, albeit a little late, is welcome.
But shall we trust the UN with the most urgent threat to our security, knowing theSecurity
Council's members are for sale?
Some say Iran wiJI be able to manufacture nuclear warheads in six months. Others say two
years. In short, we have no damned idea when the mullahs will be armed with nUkes, but
we do know that a nuclear Iran is a risk the civilized world can't take. We know the only
thing the UN will do is debate and delay. It is incapable of decision or action. There will be
demands for inspections, and arguments about how they shall be done. Iran will go back
and forth, cooperating and refusing, standing on its "rights" as a sovereign nation, a UN
member in good standing. The debate will end when Iran announces its nuclear arsenal.
Why should the UN debate further, mon ami? The game, she is over, yes? .
TAS contributing editor Jed Babbin is the author of 11'!~i..d.e._thU_lYJ.y.m"";""Wby..tb.eUN

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More on the UN oil-for-food-for-bribes-for-weapons scam. Dynamite stufffrom Sen. Coleman's PSI.

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The attachment lOcI udes an exammatI0n of media coverage from the top 10 news outlets by
circulation and nationa1 television broadcast stations following the BRAe announcement. Early online
coverage consisted primarily of a reprinted AP story announcing the number of closures and cost savings. Later
updates included more original commentary and reaction from state officials and legislators. National television
had similar coverage and included commentary by military analysts.
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I am proposing that talking points on BRAC be sent out,
Due to the sensitivity of this topic, I understand a lot of people mU$t chop my work and bless the idea. t know this will get
everyone wired up because it's not in the "plan," but I am throwing the idea outfor consideration.
I spoke with Rhynedance. He suggested starting with you, McGraw and Grone. McGraw k.nows who t am but not what I
do. Grone won't have a clue. I need leg affairs in on this as I would nave to ask whether they want the final version sent to
the HilL
What is attached (hard copy with is what I think shouldn't be a problem to send. It's· meant to be an overview.
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day long and it's unfamillar).
Everything in here (s taken from Grone transcripts (interview wilhthe Pentagon Channel t stripped and transcribed, and the
military analyst call yesterday I also transcribed). There are a feN lines from Garamone's stories, and the timeline's off the
BRAe page.
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Nice to see you briefly up at the press secretaries' briefing lasl week with Claude.
said to tell you "hello" back.
I thought you might be interested in the attached transcript of Mr. Grone and MG Hunzeker on BRAe. It's from a
conference call outreach briefing yesterday with our military analysts (guys on TV) and some other groups.
I have forwarded a copy to Grone's and Hunzeker's people and some of our staff down here for internal use.
I am the only person who proofed this· I transcribed it for my talking point purposes. You'll see just a few Instances Where
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FYI for interested parties:
Attached is a transcript of the phone call to the military analysts and service groups this afternoon with Mr. Grone and MG
Hunzeker.
The transcript has only been proofed by me - I am sending it along so you can read what was said. I have the tape.
Note: please do not forward, distribute, etc. The call was on background; listeners were asked to identify the sources as a
senior Defense Department offictal.
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BRAe Base Realignment and Closure 2005
BRAC-POSTPRESSCONFERENCEANNOUNCEMENT
MEDIA REACTION
FRIDAY 13,2005
The following includes an examination of media. coverage from the top 10 news ol,ltlets
by circulation and national television broadcast stations following the BRAC
announcement. Early online coverage consisted primarily of a reprinted AP story
announcing the number of closures and cost savings. Later updates included more
original commentary and reaction from state officials and legislators. National television
had similar coverage and included commentary by military analysts.
ONLINE HIGHLIGHTS
Immediate coverage of the announcement:

~ The NYT, WP, USA Today, NY Daily News and WSJ reprinted an AP story,
without adding original reporting.
~ Denver Post, Houston Chronicle tailored the AP piece for a local slant
~ The L.A. Times, Chicago Tribune and Atlanta Journal-Constitution ran original
stories.
Updated stories included:

}> A WP piece on the proposal to shut down Walter Reed
>- A NYT piece by Eric Schmitt and David Stout on "intense reaction" across the
country to the announcement.
Commentary included:
~ Reprinted AP stories highlighted overall cost savings, a "massive shift of us
forces:' employment numbers in affected communities, and part of a written
statement by the Secretary: "OUf current arrangements, designed for the Cold
War, must give way to the new demands of the war against extremism and other
evolving 21 st Century challenges."
o Also included several quotes from state legislators who were disappointed
in their state's closings. For example, New Jersey's Fort Monmouth was
on the list, to which Democratic Rep. Rush Holt vowed to: "Fight like hell
to change it" and "the Pentagon's error."
.};> "Atlanta was a major loser... " but the rest ofGA fared well and the state will gain
jobs.
~ The news that Illinois will lose jobs due to closures, but such major installations
as Scott Air Force Base will stay open was greeted with "loud applause."
~ That CO has no closures and will gain jobs was called good news for the state by
Wayne Allard, R-Colo.
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> "California has done very well in this round" of closures. Rep. Duncan Hunter (R
Alpine). the chainnan of the House Armed Services Committee said ,today
Messages and quotes:

)0> The aim to "promote jointness" - "The Pentagon also proposed eliminating scores
of Reserve and National Guard bases, part of Rumsfeld's effort to promote
"jointness" between the active-duty and reserve units." (NY Daily News, via an
AP anicle). '
)0> The updated NYT piece on immediate reaction to the closures:
o Quoted Loren Thompson ofthe Lexington Institute: "savings are
generated more by reorganization than closures" ,
o Quoted Gen. Richard Myers: "The degree with which the services
coordinate, integrate and operate together will be increased. and it will
include how we manage some of our bases and posts.~'
o The Secretary "sought to ease fears" about unemployment caused by
closed bases.
TELEVISION HIGHLIGHTS
)0> "Bottom Line.,.. the DoD needs the money. They want to make better use of tax
payers money" - (CNN)
);> People in congress are saying "the battle 'starts today" - (Headline News)
);> "There is life after closure but it is difficult" - Audience interview (Fox News
Dayside with Linda Vester)
)0> We are going to fight this decision and we have plenty of ways to fight it
(MSNBC - Rep. Rob Simmons)
)0> Emphasis on which bases have had job gains (rather than losses)- (Fox: News)
)0> BRAe sets-up a national competition betweencommunities...that is what this
process is about - (Fox News Dayside with Linda Vester)
);> Historically, less than 10% of bases were able to get off the list - (Fox News
Dayside with Linda Vester)
);> Analyst: General Montgomery Meigs comments:
o Efficiency is the core principle of this BRAC closure
o Enhancement of'1oint consolidation" '
o More open minded military culture
o Biggest challenges: communities that lose jobs
o BRAe is probably a combination of the transfonnation initiative and the
wars overseas
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ONLINE EXCERPTS
TIlE ATLANTA JOURNAL CONSTITUTION
ORIGINAL: Four Georgia bases on closure list

Ron Martz, Bob Kemper
9:24 AM
After surviving four previous rounds of base closings unscathed, metro Atlanta took a
major hit on Friday in the latest announcement of facilities the Pentagon wants to shut
down.
The Pentagon announced it plans to close three bases in the Atlanta area - Fort
McPherson in southwest Atlanta. Fort Gillem in Forest Parkand the Naval Air Station in
Marietta. That will mean a loss of neady 6,500 military and civilian jobs and about $560
million in annual payroll.
While Atlanta was a major loser, the rest of Georgia fared well and the state will actually
gain about 7,500 military and civilian positions...
State officials had no immediate word on the list but Gov, Sonny Perdue was holding a
news conference and will visit each of the targeted facilities later today.
"We're disappointed. We think the community action group did a great job.... We're
prepared to challenge the recommendation." said Fred Bryant. deputy director, Georgia
Military Affairs Coordinating Committee. "We don't know yet what were the key factors
in the decision."
THE CHICAGO TRIBUNE
ORIGINAL: Illinois takes job hit but escapes major base closures
Rebecca CarroLL, AP .
8:56AMCDT
Illinois would lose nearly 2,700 military and civilian jobs under base closures
recommended Friday by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, but the state's major'
military installations would remain open.
Scon Air Force Base, located about 20 miles east ofSt. Louis, near Belleville, emerged
as the big winner, gaining 797 military and civilian jobs. Great Lakes Naval Training
Center in North Chicago is slated to Lose 2,022 jobs ...
The announcement that Scott would not close was greeted with loud applause and a
standing ovation at MidAmerica Airport in Mascoutah, Ill., where Illinois U.S. Sen. Dick
Durbin and Reps. Jerry Costello and John Shimkus held a news conference to announce
its fate.
DENVER POST
OIUGINAL: Colorado a Winner in Base Closure Plans

Mike Soraghan, Denver Post Staff Writer and The Associated Press
09:31 :52 AM, updated at 11 :00 AM
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...Not only was Colorado spared any base closures, the state stands to gain nearly 5,000
military jobs ... Members of Colorado's congressional delegation expressed pleasure over
the plan's impact on the state.
"I think it's good news for Colorado and it's great news for the Colorado Springs area,"
said U.S. Sen. Wayne Allard, R-Colo., who served on the Senate Anned Services
Committee until recently.
HOUSTON CHRONICLE
UPDATED: 180 U.S. military bases targeted for closure by Pentagon

AP ~ 10:0SA.M, updated at 10:39
...The 147th Fighter Wing ofthe Air National Guard will remain at Houston's Ellington
Field under the plan. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison said the wing's mission will be shifting
from national defense to homeland security.
·LA TIMES
ORIGINAL: California Largely Spared in Latest Round of Base Closures

Tony Petry. Times SllIlfWriter
'" The Los Angeles Air Force Base, the language facility at Monterey and major Navy
and Marine Corps bases in San Diego were spared in the Pentagon's list of bases
proposed for closure, which was unveiled this morning.
"California has done very well in this round" of closures, Rep. Duncan Hunter (R
Alpine), the chairman of the House Armed Services Committee said today...
California's biggest job loss appears to be the Naval Surface Warfare Center in Corona,
which employs 900 workers and is listed for closure... .
Although the Pentagon's list is meant to be only the beginning of the process, 85% of
bases targeted by the Pentagon in the past have been closed
NEW YORK DAILV NEWS
ORIGINAL: Pentagon Plans to Close 33 Major Bases - AP

Liz Sidoti
12:44 PM EDT
NEW VORK TIMES
ORIGINAL: Pentagon Proposal to Include Shutting 33 Major U.s. Bases - AP

11:01 AM
UPDATED: Pentagon Proposes Shutting 33 Major U.S. Bases and Other Cuts
Eric Schmitt and David Stout - 1: 11 PM '
The bases proposed for closing include some familiar names in military history: the
Navy's submarine base in New London, Corm., Fort McPherson in Georgia, Fort
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Monmouth in New Jersey and the Pascagoula Naval Station in'Mississippi. Scores of
smaller installations would also be closed, and others would be consolidated...
While the list of recommended closings was smaller than expected, the reaction from
those affected waS intense.
Senator Joseph L Lieberman. Democrat of Connecticut, called the recommendation to
close the New London base, which would cost several thousands jobs, "irrational and
irresponsible."
"It insults our history and endangers our future," he told The Associated Press...
"The savings projected by this round seem to be generated more by reorganization than
outright closures," said Loren Thompson, a military analyst with the Lexington Institute,
a consulting firm. "At present, the military is very inefficiently located and organized.
Many facilities are sited in places that made sense a century ago but not now."
After more than two years of exhaustive study, this round of base closings is an integral
part of Mr. Rumsfeld's strategy to revamp the military into a leaner, more agile force.
"The degree with which the services coordinate. integrate and operate together will be
increased, and it will include how we manage some of our bases and posts," Gen. Richard
B. Myers. the chainnan of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said.

Mr. Rumsfeld sought to ease fears in many communities that closings could leave
thousands of local employees out of work. He cit~d examples of closed bases that had
been converted into commercial airports and eco'nomic centers. And he pledged that the
Defense Department would provide retraining for workers and economic aid to help
offset the immediate economic impact in communities where bases close.
USA TODAY
UPDATED - Battle over Bases Begins: Pentagon proposes closing of 33 major bases
£
Updated 12:30 PM
... One major closure Rumsfeld seeks is Ellsworth Air Force Base in South Dakota, home
to 29 B-IB bombers. half the nation's fleet of the aircraft, and tbe state's second largest
employer.
Republican freshman Sen. John Thune on Friday called the Pentagon "flat wrong" about
Ellsworth, and he vowed to help lead the fight in the Senate to delay tbe entire round of
closures. "We will continue to keep Ellsworth open," Thune said...
Rumsfeld also recommended closing the Naval Station in Pascagoula, Miss., which
barely survived previous base closure rounds. The decision was a blow to Sen. Trent
Lott. R.Miss., who had fought the 1995 round of closures. At stake are 844 military jobs
and t 12 civilian jobs...
New England took a major hit. and Connecticut suffered the biggest loss in terms ofjobs
with the proposed closure of the U.S. Naval Submarine Base in Groton, Conn. Shuttering
the installation· would result in the loss of 7,096 military jobs and 952 civilian jobs.
Calling the recommendation "irrational and irresponsible," Sen. Joe Lieberman (0
Conn.) said, "It insults our history and endangers our future." ...
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WALL STREET JOURNAL

ORIGINAL: Pentagon to Propose Closure· AP
UPDATED: Pentagon'Proposes Closure Of About 180 Installations· AP
10:55 a.m.
Later updated with AP piece
WASHINGTON POST
ORIGINAL: Pentagon Proposing to Shut 33 Major Bases - AP

Liz Sidoti
11:01 AM
UPDATED: Pentagon Proposes Shutting Walter Reed

William Branigin and Ann Scott Tyson
12:54 PM
The Pentagon today proposed eliminating about 180 military installations across the
country in a new round of base closures and realignments aimed at saving nearly $49
billion over 20 years. One major proposal calls for essentially moving Walter Reed Army
Medical Center from Washington, D.C., to a new state-of-the-art, jointly staffed facility
in suburban Maryland ...
Housing and some research facilities at the Walter Reed site in Washington would stay
open, but the facility as it exists today would practically be shut down, and it would lose
5,630 military, civilian and contractor jobs...
Among the luckiest states on the list is Maryland, which gains 9,293 jobs .- more than
any other state. The District loses 6,496 jobs under the proposal·· mainly from the loss of
Walter Reed·- while Virginia loses 1,574.
The hardest-hit states include Connecticut, which loses 8,586 jobs; Maine. with a loss of
6,938 jobs; and Alaska, which stands to lose 4,.619. Overseas, a total of 13,503 jobs
would be cut in the closure or realignment of U.S. military installations in Gennany,
South Korea and elsewhere. Many of those jobs would move to the United States.
TELEVISION EXCERPTS
MSNBC
5/13/20052: 19:22 PM
Newscaster: Joining us to talk a little bit more about the strategic implications oftoday's
announcement is MSNBC analyst Montgomery Meigs. Thank you so much for taking the
time today. Meigs: Good to be on the show. Newscaster: It's unusual when you think
about closures and the loss ofjobs as something that might be helpful and might make a
unit or a situation better. But can you explain to us why this realignment will make the
military stronger? Meigs: Sure. There are three things that I see. First of all as general
efficiency, a lot of these face that's are being closed can be consolidated with other
functions. And can you get more things done for the (;quivalent DoD dollar. Efficiency
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that is the first principle. Secondly, there is some joint consolidation going on. So, for
instance, the third Anny headquarters, which is now in Atlanta, is being moved to Shaw
Air Force Base where it will consolidate with the Air Force headquarters that also works
for U.S. central command. So that will make planning easier, coordination, etc. and
enhimcejointness. Finally within the 'Army, Chief of the Staff of the Anny is breaking
down some of the tribal barriers. He's consolidating the infantry and armor schools, a
number of the logistics schools. That way you'll get much more open minded culture in
the office corps of the army. Newscaster: Knowing Secretary Rumsfeld's vision ofa
more compact Anny, do you think this was something that, perhaps, was always in the
planning or is it a result of fighting two wars? Meigs: Well, I think it's a combination.
For instance, foreman waS up for election last time. This time they're going to close it and
move the headquarters a little further north in the state of Virginia. And there ate some
things that have changed as a result of what we've seen in the last 10 years. Now the anny
is going to have more brigades than it has in the past. You have to have a place to put
them. Some of that is deflected in the BRAC numbers. Newscaster: We talk about all
the positive things that will come out of this. What is the difficult thing? What is the
challenging thing? The not so great news today? Meigs: Well, you got to have some
communities that are going to lose jobs. That's a painful transition process.
Fox News Channel

5/13/2005 1:17:35 PM.
Interviews with Tom Markham (Association of Defense Communities) and Jim Saxton
(New Jersey, Congressmen)
Those that are losing will be trying to reverse the signatures of the Pentagon. That's what
this process is about. Linda Vester: Tom, you have been through this. You know what
the fight is like when you try to save your base. How often is it a winning fight? Tom
Markham: Those hit during the first four rounds of closures said less than 10% of the
communities were able to get off the list. We don't know about this round but that was
the case in the last round. Linda: This is democracy in action, but, you know,
communities who are supportive of the military are being forced to compete with each
other to stay alive. Rep. Saxton: That's true. While, less than 10% of the bases may have
gotten off before this is not a mission impossible task to get a base off the list. I would
point out in 1989 and 1991 both those round ofBRAC, Fort Dix was on the list and it got
off. In 1993 McGuire Air Force base was on the list and it got off. So, we've got a good
record of knowing how to do this in New Jersey, we'll spare no effort to try to make our
case. Linda: I want to bring a member of the audience. Tum out this fellow is a retired
Marine. I would have thought you would say not to close the base. But instead, you said
no, close them down. Audience Member: I'm assuming all the work that's being done
there can be done elsewhere. The reason they are closing them is they are obsolete or not
need. If they are not needed they should close. Linda: How well do the communities get
handled after the fact in terms ofretraining and stuff like that? Tom Markham: There is
some retraining that goes on. However, the main challenge after these bases do close is
the economic recovery. As an example, in Denver we have been closed for 10 years. We
lost 700 jobs and $290 million a year spent on the local economy. Today we have 20,000
people living there, new houses, and a $4 billion economic impact. The message is that
there is life after closure but it's difficult..
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Headline News
5/13/2005 11 :31 :50
Newscaster: Tens of thousands of military and civilian personnel could lose their jobs.
Jamie Mcintyre joins us live from the Pentagon with details. Hi, Jaime. Mcintyre: Hi
Kathleen. It started as a major military operation this morning lone capitol hill as several
inch-thick base closure recommendation report was delivered to capitol hill where
lawmakers are very interested to hear whether their particular bases are being closed or
scaled back or in some cases actually gaining, according to this Realignment plan
released by the pentagon. Lets look at some of the major closures. Thirty-three major
bases. Here are some of the top ones around the country. New England would lose the
submarine base at New London and also the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard targeted there.
The naval station in Mississippi is on the targeted list. Cannon air force base in Texas as
well as Ellsworth air force base where they have the b-2 bombers. The Pentagon plans to
keep the planes, just move them to other facilities. In some cases some of the bases are
gaining in some personnel and responsibility. Again, twenty-nine of thirty-three .major
closures, twenty-nine bases where they are going to have m~or reductions. Then another
forty-nine bases will be gaining either in personnel or missions under this Pentagon plan,
which now goes to the base closure commission over the next couple of months. That
begins its work on Monday when the Pentagon will fonnally present this plan and
Defense Secretary Rumsfeld will testify favor of it. One of the arguments they are going
to make is that this plan has been carefully worked out, the pieces are interdependent and
to change one base could affect the whole plan. The commission is going to have to look
at the whole thing in entirety whether it sends recommendation to the president and
ultimately to Capitol Hill. Newscaster: Is there the possibility that the commission
could change its mind about some of these closures or is this really a done deal?
Mcintyre: well, in the past, the base closure commission has made some changes, but the
prospect for any particular base is going to be kind of tough. The pentagon has spent a
long time working up the rationale for each one of these. They say it is based on military
necessity. They say they need the savings that have come from the base closings. The
whole reason, there is an independent commission to do this is that if it were left up to
congress, no base would ever be closed because members ofCongress would simply
stall.
CNN
5/13/2005 I :05:03 PM
Newscaster: There's a lot of people crying foul already Jamie. We've received so many
e-mails and viewers wanting to know, sort of asking the direct question, during a time of
""operation Iraqi freedom"" and other ongoing wars, why base closures? What's the
strategy, militarily for safety here at home, homeland security and, of course, fighting
wars overseas? Jamie Mcintyre: it's a very simple answer is, they need the money. That
savings that I talked about, the Pentagon needs that money for better weapons, better
materials, to better use the forces. Right now they're spending a lot of money on facilities
they don't really need. They haven't been able to close them since 1995 because of the
politics and the very sensitive nature of these kinds ofclosings. Because in particular, in
1995, there were accusations of people playing politics with the list because of the
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presidential election. It made it almost impossible for the Congress to agree to a round.
They want to get as much savings as they can to make better use of the taxpayers' money.
When it comes down to the base in your backyard people don't want to see that go.
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Update: May 11, 2005 - BRAe Overview
Following is some overviewinformation about the forthcoming base realignment and closure
recommendations. The Department has set up a special web page about BRAC.lt can be access
from the main DoD site, www.dod.mir.
~ BRAe (base realignment and closure) Is the process by which the Department of Defense can
comprehensively assess and rationalize Its Infrastructure assets.
• The goal Is to organize to support the warffghter for 21at century missions, rather than be
organized around the infrastructure and architecture of the Cold War legacy systems.
).> The BRAC process will allow the Department of Defense to:
• Support ongoing force transformation. A key part of that Is for 000 to rationalize (or
"match") its infrastructure to its force structure and mission.
• Maximize Joint utilization. This will allow the Services to better share resources and
im prove efficiency. It will also allow them to facilitate joint operations and Joint training.
• Convert wast~ to warlighting. Funds now used for maintaining capabilities that are no
longer needed could be put to better use to support the warfighter.
) Secretary Rumsfeld's recommendations for base closure and realignment are due to the BRAe
commission "notlaterthan"May 16.
• The nine-member independent commission Is chaired by Anthony Prinicipi, former
secretary of the Department of Veterans Affairs.
• The commission will hold public hearings and Visit installations.

• The commission will then forward its report on the recommendations to the President by
~ept. 8, 2005.
• The PresIdent will have until Sept. 23, 2005, to accept or reject the recommendations in
their entirety.
• If accepted, Congress will have 45 legislative days to reject the recommendations in their
entirety or they become bind ing on the department.
(link to tlmeline)
) All bases are under consideration.

• By statute, all military installations are to be treated equally.
• Secretary Rumsfeld and senior leadership have not set a number of bases that should be
closed or realigned. There is no targetfor excess capacity that must be disposed of, or
target for the amount of savings that must be achieved.
• Targets have not been established principally because the secretary and senior leadership
want the military value considerations required by law to drive the development of the
recommendations.
• ABRAC report submitted in March 2004 estimated there Is 24 percent excess capacity In
000. This should not be Interpreted to mean one in four bases Is going to be closed or
realigned. Capacity Is not the same as abase.
).> MllltalY value Is the pl1mary consideration for BRAC recommendations.

• lhe Defense Base Closure and Realignment Act of 1990 (Public law 101-501), as
amended by the National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal year 2002, requires that
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closure and realignment recommendations be based on published criteria that make

military value the prime consideration.
• The department published draft selection criterIa In the Dec. 23, 2003, Federal Register
for public comment.
• AJanuary 2005 memorandum outlines military value and other considerations fot
BRAC. (link to memo)
• An October 2004 memorandum outlines military value principles. (link to memo)
• Another key pillar Is the 20-yearforce-strueture plan, Which was ptovlded to Congress
earlier this year.
} Aprimary objective of BRAe 200515 to examine and Implement opport!lnltles for greater
Jolntness.· .
• The Joint Cross SelVice Groups established have greater breadth than in previous rounds.
• Industrial activities, medical functions, headquarters and support, education and training,
Intelligence, supply and storage, technical, and medical functions are all being assessed
from a Joint perspective.
• The decision process in this BRAC is joint from top to bottom.
} The Commission can change the secretary's proposed list.

• The Commission can only change the secretary's recommendation if they find that the
secretary deviated substantially from eitherthe selection criteria orthe force-structure plan
In developing his recommendations.
• If an installation is not on the Jnlt/allist, the BRAC commission can stili recommend it for
closure or realignment. The BRAC statute allows the Commission three different options:
additions to the recommendations, expansions of the recommendations, and removal froin
the recommendations.
• Historically, the BRAC commissions have accepted 85 percent of the department's
recom mendations.
» . There have been four prior base realignment and closure rounds.
• The prior rounds were in 1988, 1991, 1993 and 1995.
• The results have been 97 major closings, 55 major realignments and 235 "mlnor actions."
• The net savings through fisca/2001 was approximately $18 billion. The yearly savings
since 2001 Is $7.3 billion.
• The fiscal year2002 National Defense Authorization Act authorlzed the Department of
Defense to pursue one BRAe round in 2005.
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Date: Tuesday, May 10,2005 2:30 PM Eastern
E-Mail Address: On file
Company Name: OSD
Host'l\ Name: Dallas Lawrence
Conference Name: OSD/PA Liaison 97 (2:30P) Analyst
Conference Title: Military Analyst .
Participant Information
I. d~lIE;;V!%d~!iJl& Mr. Lawrence •••••

2. MllTVin Harris Military Officers Association Alexandria, VA
3. Lt. Gen. Ted Stroup AUSA Arlington, VA
4. leffMcCausland Military Officers Washington. DC
5. Kenneth Beaks Business Executives for National Security Washington, DC
6. Adrian Addizatto DAY Washington, DC
7. Robert McGinnis BCP International Woodbridge, VA
8. Buck Kernan CBS Alexandria, VA
9. David Rozig Veterans' Forum Denver, CO
10. Margaret Murphy DOD Staff Arlington, VA
II. Gordon Cucullu Fox News New York, NY
12. Steve Greer Fox News Gainesville. VA
13. Paula Kougeas National Guide Washington, D.C.
14. Diedre Holleman Retired Enlisted Association Alexandria, VA
15. Susan Naill Blue Star Mothers of America Sarasota, FL
16. Martin Faga MITRE McLean, VA
17. Taite Bergan Cohen Group Washington, DC
18. Gen. Wilhelm' Battle Memorial Institute Arlington, VA
19. Paul Vallely Fox News Big Fort, MT
20. Lucia Silvaggi Heritage Foundation Washington, DC
21. Erin Haning National Guard Alexandria, VA
22. Kenneth Goss Air Force Assoc. Arlington, VA
23. Don Shepperd DOD Washington, DC
24. Susan Molinari The Washington Group Washington, DC
. 25. Ron Fogelman Defense policy Board Durango, CO
26. John Garrett Patton Boggs Washington, DC
27. Gen. Tom MacInemey Fox News Washington, DC
28. Jed Babbin American Spectator Magazine Leesburg, V A
29. Chuck: Nash Fox News Alexandria, VA
30. Admiral Turner retired areal Falls, VA
31. Herb Rosenblathe Jewish War Veterans of USA Washington, DC
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Miltary analysts, et al, call

10 May 2005
1430 11)(0 ,. .
Room~;;.Hd~Wii!;iMi,koSD Public Affairs)
BRAC: Mr. Phil Grone, MG Ken Hunzeker
BACKGROUND - NOT FOR DISTRIBUTION
Mr. Lawrence: (in progress) The undersecretary of defense for installations and
environment, Mr, Phil Grone, and MG Hunzeker, the vice director of the J.g on the Joint
Staff. For those not familiar with the Pentagon alphabet soup that's force stnlcture,
resources and assessment.
For our purposes here on the call, this infonnation is on backgroWld. Any information to
be quoted or referenced outside of this call should be referenced coming from a senior
defense department official. Again, the call is on backgroWld.
I am going to go ahead and tum it over to Mr. Grone, who's going to open up with kind
of a brief overview. Again, this discussion is on the base realignment and closure process.
As the invitation stressed, there will be no specifics as to the recommendations discussed
at this meeting, This will lay out the process that's brought us to where we are today,
leading to the impending release of the recommendations in the coming weeks.
So, Mr. Grone?
Mr. Grone: Thank you, Dallas. Good afternoon everybody, how are you today? I just
wanted to emphasize a couple of key points on both background and process. Many of
you are probably aware of some of it, and I know General Hunzeker will wish to make a
couple Mpoints, and then frankly we'll leave as much time for questions as we can,
because that's certainly always the most valuable point of these exercises.
As you all are very much aware, the secretary will shortly present his recommendations
to the Independent Commission on Base Closure and Realignment, chaired by Secretary
Principi. And the secretary (Rurnsfeld) take this process, and the senior leadership take
this process quite seriously. It's a matter of great importance to the department.
As you know, we've had four prior base realignment and closure rounds, and the result of
that has been the closure of 97 major installations in the United, States; 55 major
realignments; and another 235 or so minor actions of one kind or another.
Ba~ed on the budget justification documents that (we?) provide to Congress, our net
savings for all of those actions through the implementation period - basically through
fiscal year 2001' - was about $18 billion, and annually recurring savings that accrue to the
department every year after that of about $7 billion.
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One ofthe key points about this round certainly, although savings are important and we'll
talk a little bit more about this later on, is that military value was as a matterof policy in
prior rounds and was mandated by statute for this round to be the highest consideration
for the secretary's judgment in terms of what to recommend to the independent
commission.
But as we've approached this process pretty consistently over the last two and a half
years, we've had a handful of key imperatives that we've tried to guide ourselves by in
this process. One, of course, is to further transformation, and a key part of that to
rationalize our infrastructure to our force structure and our mission (sets? Sense?) to
ensure have our footprint, our physical footprint where we can maximize capability and
military efficiency and effectiveness.
A second key imperative for the department has been to find ways to maximize joint
utilization of our assets. And really what we're trying to do here in many ways is look at
these assets -- these key military installations, not simply as the asset that belonged to the
Army, the Navy, the Air Force or the Marine Corps, but they are key national assets and
how can we best position them to support the mission and to support the joint warfighter?
Certainly a third element in this will speak to some degree of savings is certainly we're
very much interested in - as we are in all of our programs - in converting waste to
warfighting. That's a bumper sticker, but really what we mean here is to the extent that
we have frankly resources that we are expending either in teIll1S of dollars or in tenns of
people from a force protection, for example, perspective; addressing or taking care of or
supporting assets that we no longer require - those are assets that are not being put on the
pointy end of the spear to support the warfighter. So that is an important part of
rationalizing our infrastructure.
The basic process is from a - after the 16lh of May remains very much the same it was in
the past. It's an independent commission. The president ultimately will approve or
disapprove the work of that commission in whole, but not in part. Congress has an
opportunity to reject those recommendations in whole, but not in part. The commission
can make some changes. The bar's a little bit higher this time.
The commission has to find not only that the secretary deviated substantially from either
the force structure plan that we provided to Congress earlier this year, or our selection
criteria. But they can only add an installation as a closure candidate and then actually
vote to close it if seven of the nine commissioners agree and at least two of them have
visited the instaIlation.
But as we sort of have approached this process, you know, we have the joint process
we've established - the Service unique functions, and I'll largely call them the
operational functions, have been handled by the military Services and analyzed by them
separately in reporting those into the leadership. And then our common business oriented
support functions have been handled by these Joint Cros~ Service Groups that we
~stablished .
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And I think that this is really quite a key point. A fundamental lesson that we learned
from prior rounds of base closure and realignment was that the joint process - the joint
cross service group process to be specific - in (19)95 didn't yield much. So what the
secretary and the leadership detennined was that we would have Joint Cross Service
Groups this time, but rather than have them narrowly constructed - in (19)95 we had a
group on depot maintenance, so instead of having a group on depot maintenance, we had
, a 'group looking at the entire industrial activities of the department. Similarly for the
medical world - instead of looking merely at medical- military medical treatment
facilities, we're looking at the entirety of the medical asset base, rather than just looking
at laboratories, looking at technical, as a business mission area, as well as adding things
we have never done before, frankly, on a joint basis. Headquarters and support, our
supply and storage activities, our education and training, to look at them in a
comprehensive way.
And those groups had real authority to make real recommendations to the leadership, and
as a result of that. we ended up with a process that resulted in not guaranteeing that every
answer would be joint, but in guaranteeing for the cornman support structure of the
department to support the warfighter, that these functions would get a joint look
throughout the process.
Mr. Lawrence: IfJ could just ask whoever has their phone - if you could just set your
phones on mute, we're hearing that you can't quite here Mr. Grone on the line. So if you
could all put your phones on mute, while he continues. And whoever's outside, if you
could please put your phone on mute, that'd be great.
Mr. Grone: And so that's the entirety of the list. (Laughter.) No, just kidding. But I hope
you can all capture that, because again, the real sort of point here was on the joint process
is that we have tried to put an enonnous emphasis on the joint and the joint process in this
round. I know General Hunzeker has a couple points he'd like to make in that regard.
MG Hunzeker: Well, clearly, and I know you missed some of what Mr. Grone said so I'll
reinforce a little bit of it, but as we looked across all the recommendations and the
process that we embarked on this year, military value was really the primary
consideration in assessing all the military bases.
And if you look at military value, I look at there basically being four pillars that I use to
describe that support this process. Mr. Grone talked through those. But as we saw it from
the Joint Cross Service Groups, and, you know, I worked with the vice chairman and the
members of the infrastructure steering group, which is the ISO, included the service vice
chiefs. So basically the same guys that are sitting at the (J-rock?) came over worked the
ISG, so they were very familiar with what the requirements going into for the future force
needed to be, so it really became a great sounding board for a lot of decisions that were
being made.
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But the four pil1ars, really - enabling transformation, which is critical. And we really
looked at doing that by accommodating the redeploying forces both for IDPBS (?) and
what's taking place with OIF and OEF, for anticipating and resourcing surge capabilities,
because surge is a big issue coming up, and looking at that across operations training and
logistics.
The second pillar is really enhancing combat effectiveness. And this is really examining
and implementing opportunities for greater joint activity. In many cases this is
accomplished by collocating and combining things like training, technology, depot
maintenance, and things along those lines.
The third pillar we looked at was clearly cost. It's a huge issue. We looked at recurring
annual savings, and convened, and how they could be converted to warfighters' resource
savings in the out years, or evenin the near years.
And then finally, I think what was really great about this process, is that we tried to work
hard to ensure impartiality. It's a balance between what I talked about as far as military
value, transformation, jointness, and how you maximize combat effectiveness.
I will tell you that the BRAe DoD organization, and Mr. Grone talked about this earlier,
was key to success. They established - it was established early. It was clearly a unity of
effort and a common focus. And from the meetings I was at and we supported and
worked through, there was clearly an energy and a willingness to look at different ways
of doing things. And the Joint Cross Service Groups I think were the real basis for
success here. They allowed the Services to think out of the box, and take solutions that
they might not have derived on their own.
And finally, from the joint perspective, we represent the combatant commanders
involvement in this process; we went out and saw them on the road; we worked a reading
room where they were familiar with every scenario that was being worked. And they
were paramount to recommending - to making sure that we maximize combat
effectiveness while preserving surge capability allowed us to continue to help protect the
homeland.
I think I am ready for any questions you may have, and I think Mr. Grone is, as well.
Mr. Lawrence: If folks when they ask their questions if they could state their name and
who they're representing on the call, that'd be great. With that, we'll open it up to
questions.
Question: This is (Col) Jeff McCausland working with CBS News. Great overview.
Quick question and (one other? Longer?) question. Quick question is I saw where Mr.
Principi had commented about whether or not the governors have to be involved if you
decide to close, let's say a National Guard's by like an airfield adjacent to a major airpon,
where there's a lot of you, we got fighter wings and all that kind of stuff. "A," can you
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talk about that, and the longer question, can you talk about the coordination of this effort
with the global restationing plan?
Mr. Grone: To the first question, I'll just reiterate what Mr. Wynne said in his letter to a
number of members of Congress is that this department will follow all applicable statutes
in developing options and recommendations to the leadership and ultimately for the
secretary to consider for forwarding to the independent commission, and I wouldn't want
to characterize it beyond that.
Your second question - I want to be precise in the answer. Could you repeat for me,
please?
Col. McCausland: Yes, could you talk about this process, and how it was coordinated
with the global restationing plan, we (balance? Bounce?) out that effort with this effort.
Mr. Grone: Yes. We'll there are a number ofmisperceptions that have been out there
with regard to some of the suggestions that h~ve been made or characterization of the
Overseas Basing Commission's work. And J know a lot offolks have had both before and
subsequent to the release of their report questions about this.
One of the things bear mentioning is that the roots of the global posture review, the
integrated global presence and basing strategy that General Hunzeker referred to both
ways, has its roots in QDR one. And so we've been at this for some time. And subsequent
to QDR one, the secretary provided directions to the combatant commanders to begin to
develop options for the repo~itioning, resetting the force globally. And we began to work
on that process in earnest.
Frankly, that process as it evolved, came together in a way and the decisions were
rendered in a way that made them available to infonn the BRAe process. And that's
important, because to the extent that we were contemplating the return of forces from
abroad to the United States, the BRAC process gives us a key opportunity to look at all of
our installations and realign our mission sets in order to accommodate retuming forces.
Yes, that's true, but it gives us an opportunity to ask and answer the question where can
returning forces best be positioned? As opposed to the question we'd have to ask and
answer without BRAC which is largely where could we fit them?
And the timing of this, the length oftime of consideration, the full involvement of the
combatant commanders, the State Department, our interagency partners, our
consultations with the Congress over the course of some period of time resulted in a
fairly comprehensive report to the Congress last year -last September, ] believe - that
laid out our broad strategy for and decisions for how we would reposition the force
globally.
Now certainly a lot of that will - on the things that are overseas related will continue to
take the form of negotiations with interested parties and host governments, but those
pieces that involve the return of forces to the United States, particularly from Europe, are
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strongly supported by the combatant commander, General Jones, and certainly in many
ways he initiated a good deal of that. And we believe we're well positioned to implement
this effectively.
MG Hunzeker: And Jeff, just to pile on, two points that Mr. Grone made that are critical
here is that we had to build a program this fall that really supported what we wanted to do
from a positioning our forces from overseas, and so we had to basically set the table for
where BRAC could go. And in line with that, we worked with the Services to make sure
that they'd build a force structure - put a force structure plan that we've already delivered
to Congress that laid out exactly what we thought force structure would look like in the
program review that we build simultaneously with the (? POM?)
Question: This is Ken Beaks from BENS (Business Executives for National Secwity).
Mr. Grone: Ken, how are you?
Mr. Beaks: Great, thanks. When we look at the list on Friday, because I know you don't
want to say anything now about which ones are on there obviously, but when we look at
the imperatives of furthering transfonnation and maximizing jointness, should we be
looking for a significant number of active, operational joint bases or joint training bases?
Is that something that we should expect? And as a second part of that, the secretary's
backed off on the 20 to 25 percent excess capacity number to a number that's more like
10 to 121 think he said the otber day. But, we all know that some of the categories had a
lot more than that going in. So, should we expect to see more significant cuts in things
like depots and some of the labs and P&E facilities? Thanks.
.Mr. Grone: Ken, to the first part of your question, 1 really wouldn't want to characterize
what would be in the secretary's recommendations before the secretary makes his
recommendations. And I don't think that would be prudent thing to do, even on
background.
But once he comes to a final determination and makes his recommendations to the
commission, we can talk about that and fully explain it in more detail.
I do want to spend a moment on this 20 to 25 percent excess capacity number because it

has its roots in two studies that Congress requested be done over the course of a six-year
period, first in 1998 and then in - for 2004, the latter part being part of the secretary's
justification for additional round of - proceeding I should say with an additional round of
base closure.
Those were perimetric (sp) estimates, based on base-loading constructs, and they were
sort of comparative, relational ways of looking at number of people to a certain way of
looking at an asset in a very linear, almost arithmetic way. It was NOT a BRAC analysis;
it was not a military value analysis; it was simply a force~loading construct that if you
had so many people at one point in time to so many acres, and those numbers changed
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over time, what's the difference between the two? And assuming that you were optimally
organized in the first instance, do you have excess capacity or under capacity?
All those studies were able to show us was that a gross order of magnititude that we had
excess capacity throughout the department, in some cases over, in some cases under
capacity, but in a lot of cases we had some excess capacity, and that only a true military
value oriented analysis would show us how to rationalize that infrastructure in a way that
made sense.
The secretary in his recent comments has commented on a couple of things in relation to
the effect on the analysis of returning forces from abroad, as well as the requirement
which would have been, again, a matter of policy but Congress included in the statute
that we have to accommodate for reasonable expectation of surge. And so, when we sort
of do all of that, I mean it was his judgment in looking at it that it wouldn't be 20 to 25
percent. And certainly one of the things about that number over time that got
misinterpreted was that that somehow got translated into that that means the secretary
believes that one in four bases should close. Capacity is not the same as a base. And so,
through this process we will have, I hope - pending the secretary's decision, a robust,
transformational BRAe, that we will do some things that are very, very important for the
future of the armed forces and for the future of the department and for the future of the
country.
But I wouldn't want to sort of characterize numbers or try to give weights, or try to
characterize what you should more look for in the report. I think that would be a more
fruitful discussion frankly on Friday.
MG Hunzeker: And as you look at the combat effectiveness across all the different
Services, I think the answer to your question also Ken is the collocation Mr. Grone's
talking about, and the combining of training, technology, laboratories, depot
maintenance, supply chain management operation, things along those lines, that's where
the Joint Cross Service Groups really came in and made their impact. So basically. they
were empowered to go and look at different ways of doing it, either from a business
practice or what made sense basically for example, how you might want to do something
in education and training. So they were able to look, you know, not only across the
department, but at each Service to see what made sense there. And I think when what
comes out on Friday that you'll basically see - that will be the fruits orthat product.
Question: David Rodriquez, the national commander of the American (OJ?) Forum (?).
Basically what you're saying, we're setting up the military to be a brigade-sized unit, or
first strike, and limit our division size, so this way we can kind of down-size the Service,
and still be able to do the same kind ofjob. Is that what you're saying?
MG Hunzeker: I think what you're alluding to is basically where the Army is going with
modularization. And there are some discussions and decisions that take place not only in
the force structure for what the Anny's putting in that will impact what could be
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submitted in a BRAe submission. But that is germane to where we're headed but that's
not really one of the things we're looking at as far as the BRA.C process.
Question: Don Sheppard, CNN: What provisions have you made in this list for the
homeland security mission?
Mr. Grone: Well the homeland defense mission of the department is covered - is
governed by the selection criteria and if I can pull the selection criteria up here it's
specifically mentioned here in criterion two, where we have to consider the availability
and condition of land facilities and associated air space inclUding, you know, the
(?inaudible) number of missions, but to also include the homeland defense missions of
the anned forces. So we have to take homeland defense into account, and we have.
Mr. Lawrence: Next question please. Are there any additional questions for the group?
Thank you very much. Just to reiterate, this was on background, any quotes to be used
should be quoted as senior defense department officials. And we look forward to talking
to you folks, in the near future.
(end)
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From: OASD·PA
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 1:05 PM
To: Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD·PA;
Cc: Ruff, Eric, SES. OASD-PA
Subject: Possible points for Grone to address
Attachments: BRAC questions.doc
CAPT Merritt:
Per my Quick ~nversation with you in the hall (and with[~J~);M;'1:X;;iijat his desk) attached is my memo about possible points
that I think Mr. Grone shOUld consider addressing when he makes the military analyst, et al call this afternoon at 1430.
Theyr'e my very "street person's" suggestions of lingering questions/misconceptions I think are out there about BRAe
Thank YOu'~~:!~~~i\!if;0~W~rJ;Mi\1
BRAe
uestlons.doc: (31 KI!
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Suggested topics/questions for military analyst/think tank, etc. call 1430 on 10 May
Myths v. Facts
I. There's a popular misconception that base cuts are being fueled in large part
because of budget concerl,ls. What part does saving money play in BRAe? Is it
more or less important than structuring forces to fight future wars?
Example from. yesterday' s Early Bird from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. "BRAe
is a recurring effort by the Pentagon to cut costs by closing some of its excess
military facilities. Later this week, for the first time in a decade, the military will
offer a list of bases it wants to close or realign."
2. Some people are under the impression that there are a certain number of bases
slated to be cut (generally they cite one in four). Is there in fact a specific target
number for cuts or realignments?
Example (from today's Early Bird, a 09 May Colorado Springs Gazette article).
"Colorado Springs' four Air Force installations and one Anny post appear safe,
because of development in the past decade and their missions. In fact, the local
facilities could grow because of cutbacks elsewhere. The Pentagon had hoped to
trim 24 percent of its domestic base square footage - about 100 of the nation's
425 bases."
3. Review timeline for release. Will anyone "important" see the list ahead of time?
(Committee chairman, base commanders, etc.)
4. Review accumcy of claims by various governors (Illinois) that a National Guard

facility cannot be closed without the governor's consent.
Worth Repeatioe
1. The BRAC Commission is independent. (Discuss role of DoD support to
Commission if commissioners/staffrequest help.)
2. Bases can be taken off the initial list, and bases can be added. (Explain
procedure.)
3. Repeat how many overseas troops are expected to return home and touch on
timeline if possible. The number 70,000 troops has been thrown around a Jot, as
100,000 family members. (Note, sometimes people say 100,000 family members;
sometimes they say 100,000 family numbers AND civilians. Which is it?)
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Lingerine Questions
I. Explain how base closings and realignments will be affected by forces returning
from Korea and Europe. Include an answer to the question of how can we
recommend domestic bases be closed when we haven't announced yet which
overseas forces wiH be returning?
2. Talkin layman's tenns about the difference between the words "capacity" and
"infrastructure." People are taking the "24 percent capacity" figure and translating
it to mean one out of four bases will be closed or realigned.
3. Revisit the secretary's comments from his presser two weeks ago (and also
apparently from his conference call with reporters last week) that there will be
fewer bases closed/realigned than previously thought (half the 24 percent number
being thrown around).
4. What role does the base's contribution to the local economy play?
Here's a quotation from an article in today's Early Bird from the St. Louis Post
Dispatch (talking about affect of Scott Air Force Base across the river in lIlinois).
"The Defense Department and the Base Realignment and Closure commission
consider only a base's military value, not its impact on the local economy, when
deciding which installations to close. For that reason, arguments about a potential
"brain drain" from the Metro East area, where most ofthe Air Force veterans live, are
not likely to influence the process."
But in the 05 January 2005 memorandum from Mr. Wynne (posted on web site) on
BRAC selection criteria, "other considerations" (apart from military value) are listed,
including this as No.6, "The economic impact on existing communities in the
vicinity of military installations."
5. Discuss the relationship between QDR and BRAe (and explain QDR).
6. Discuss the importance of "jointness" and give a layman's description what

jointness is.
Press Misconceptions - Fueled by Local Reporters
1. Dispel the urban myth that having a commission member from your home state
(or branch of service) or a high-ranking mcrmber of Congress in leadership or on a
relevant committee gives a base an "inside edge" against being closed. (e.g.,
Senator Sam Nunn saved bases in Georgia during the last rounds; bases in Texas
are safe because that's the President's home state; they'll never close Selfridge
Air National Guard Base in suburban Detroit because Carl Levin's the ranking
member).
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Example from 08 May Atlanta Joumal~Constitution article. "Although BRAC is

supposed to be politically neutral, the influence of Sen. Sam Nunn (D·Ga.), who chaired
the Senate Armed Services Committee until his retirement in the mid-1990s, could not be
disCounted. Chambliss is a member of the committee. now chaired by Virginia
RepubLican John Warner. With Nunn gone, some have speculated that BRAe could be
gunning for Georgia."
2. Any truth to the rumor that because a base ·"survived" being cut in past rounds, its
luck is rUMing out this time and it's the end of the road? Or did all bases start
with a clean slate?
3. Clarify what role geography plays. Is it given consideration? Some reporters are
writing that a base is "safer" because it's in middle America; others write that
because the base is on a coast, it's better suited for defense.
Miscellaneous
1. The word "surge" was added to criterion three for the BRAe criteria. Define surge and
explain its importance.
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From: Ruff, Eric. SES, OASD-PA

Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 20059:43 AM
yes, plan to attend the meeting. also, can i get the read-ahead? thanks.
From: Lawrence. Dallas, OASD-PA
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: Tomorrow's conference call
Eric, I certainly hope so. As I mentioned to the cdr last night I thought he was up to
speed. But to make sure everyone if comfortable we will do a read ahead for the conf call
for grones folks. He will have it by 930. Should I be at the 11 I'm not currently on the
invite for those. seems like something I might want to stand in the back for in the event
this comes up.
From: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA <Eric.Ruff
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASO-PA <Dallas.Lawrenc
Sent: Tue May 10 08:24:10 2005
dallas, how does this stand? there is an 11 a.m. brac meeting, the usual meeting led by
ldr, and we'll need to know what has been discussed to that point. is phil going to be up
to speed? thanks.
~~~1~~~%};~i,SifA!f;:·8h(~l g~R. ~ ~~~ -i~~ ~ ~~i~;'i'0iBti!'mjXJ,"i';Nil CIV, OASD- PA

Cc: Barber, Allison. CIV, OASD-PA; Whitman. Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Ruff.
Eric, SES. OASD-PA
Subject: Re: Tomorrow's conference call
Cdr,
Apologies, I'm a bit confused. I was aSked to open this call to military analysts (folks
usually in our camp) formers, think tankers (this group is a mixed batch) and vso and
msos. The'format is as we discussed and as I discussed personally with mr grone last
week, brief opening remarks that sketch out the process to date (as referenced in the
email invite that was cleared by all parties on friday) and an update on where we are in
the process. We can have this on background if that makes everyone more comfortable.
Happy to do. whatever folks are comfortable with.
Dallas ,OASD- PA
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~~~;:§~;~~~~!;:~~:-i~l~~l~~~~n~~~~~]~~ifi'i~ ~ryan, SES, QASD·PA
Subject: RE: TomOrrow's conference call
~(j~@Wj;;MI 'Dallas,
What exactly is the plan/venue for t~is conference call? Is this going to be a pu rely a
Q&A session or do you expect Mr. Grone to open with remarks or something else? We should
not be shooting from the hip at this point. I need to kno~ so that I can pass to Mr.
Wynne's staff to see if he will participate. Without the plan/venue Mr. Grone may not do
it ...
Looking at the line-up we have a couple of lobbyists and several on the record hostile
experts. I believe Mr. Grone will take issue with that with DiRita.
F;~~~-Origi)~~{~I~B*~lli0~-;~V, OASD-PA
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 6:21 PM
To: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; CDR, OSD-ATL;
Grone, Philip, Mr, OSD-~TL; Thorp, Frank, CAPT, OCJCS/PA
Cc: Barber, Allison, CIV. OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
Subject: Tomorrow's conference call
all .
here is the list of those who have rsvp'd to call in tomorrow. i expect there will be more
added as the time gets closer. as always, this list is close hold. thanks. tj
Mr. .Jed Babbin (USAF, JAG)
Colonel Gordon Cucullu (USA, Retired)
'Command Sergeant Major Steven Greer (USA, Retired)
Captain Chuck Nash <USN, Retired)
General Charley Wilhelm (USMC Retired)
Ken Beaks (Bus. Execs. for National Security)
Taite Bergen (The Cohen Group)
Jim Noone (The Washington Group)
Susan Naill, Past National President (Blue Star Mothers of America, Inc. )
Rick Weidman (Vietnam Veterans of America)
Brigadier General (Ret.) Stephen Koper (President, NGAUS)
Colonel (Ret) Paula Kougeas (Legislative director, NGAUS)
Deirdre Parke Hplleman, Esq. (National Legislative Dir., Retired Enlisted
Assoc)
Don Peterson (AFA Executive Director]
Dan Marrs (AFA Deputy Executive Editor)
Napoleon Byars (AFA Director of policy and Communication)
Ken Goss (AFA Director of Government Relationsl
Bob oudney (AFA Editor in Chief for Air Force Magazine)
and public Liaison
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Sent: TuesdaY,May 10,20059:21 AM

To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA;
Cc: AFPS
SUbject: MHitary Analyst Conf Calls
Dallas
As a followup to last week's discussions, what military analyst

conference calls on BRAe are scheduled for this 'week??
I've had reporters in covering these regularly, so I want to get our

BRAe expert pointed in the right direction at the right time during
this BRAe-busy week.
Thanx.
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Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 11;11 PM
To: ~~X!imWi?hX'i;1,ij%j1CIV, OASD·PA
SUbject: Re: (FOUO)
I'm confused then. What did you mean by your email. Frank thorp was confirming 230 to
330, yet your email said "whose idea was it to change the time H • What r u talking about?
My brain is a very fragile instrument, don't confuse it with all this mumbo jumbo.
-----ori~inal Message----
From:~¥ID010%00000t0 CIV, OASD-PA
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA <Dallas.Lawrenc
Sent: Mon May 09 21:08:29 2005
Subject: Re: (FOUO)
Yep.
From:. LawJ:'ence\ Dallas, OASD- P
To: r~~~~f:i?:i!AM"/i~ti;;;;"dd CIV , OASD - PA
Sent: Man May 09 20:53:11 2005'
SUbject: Re: (FOUO)
Hasn't it alwasy been 230 to 3307
--'--1~iq;n01 M8sillage----
From: ;~~~(Ui;',j[;t0;~\:j)!;®Xii!} CIV, OASD- PA
To: Lawrence,- Dallas. OASD-PA <Da
Sent: Men May 09 19:30:21 2005
Subject: Fw: (FOUO)
Whose idea was it to change the time and how come we're just hearing about it now? Any
ideare?
LCDR, JCS O~JCS\PA
2005
The military person will be Major General Hunzeker, deputy J8. Please let us know ASAP if
the time changes from 1430 to 1530.
Frank
Frank Thorp
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Captain, USN
o the of the Joint Chiefs of staff
From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASP·PA
Sent: Monday, May 09, 200S 9:5~1~AM~~~~~~m
To' Ruff Eric SES OASD-PA· rl1J{~t+;i,iN:ij'ii ,;;:{;;", ':r:)/Cii!;iif:j CIV, OSD
Cc; ~~~WlfM)I:;;/ih:nw:::3i;;l CIV, OASD-PA;'"Th~;~': Frank, CAPT, OCJCS!PA
Subject: RE: (FOUO)
we will stand by. Captain, we are currently planning to have the call in allison's
office.
From: Ruff, Eric, BES, OASe-PA
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 9:50~AM~~~~~~~
To: Lawrence~ Dallas, OASD-PA;~m~@~;,f0$0)}0@3CUCIV, OSD
ee: ~#W08~B02000¥~ CIV, OASP-PA; Thorp, Frank, CAPT, OCJCS/PA
Subject: RE: (FOUO)
all, be aware that capt. looking into whether there is a military person on the
joint staff who will join tuesday. thanks.
---·-Original Message----
Sen 2005 9:39 AM
TO:~ CIV, OSD; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
Cc: V, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: (FOUO)
roger that, just wanted to make sure as everyone is working from this document this week
that we had it listed correctly, as one conference callan. this Tuesday. Mr. Grone will
be the dod rep on the call and we can either set it up from his office or from allison
barber's office. Thanks and sorry for any confus·ion.
dl
~~~~;ij~t&01~*f~ii*011i~~-;~~, OSD
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 9:34 AM
Subject: RE: (FOUO)
FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY

It's on there are items 42, 43 and 44--originally scheduled for last week.
Sen' , 2005 9:27 AM
T o : ' CIV, OSD
SUbJect:
Noticed our conference call for tomorrow is not on the matriX. Invited participants:
Military Analysts, Formers, VSO, MSO and Think Tankers. Conference call is with Mr. Grone
from 2:30 - 3:30. Can you please add me to the distribution list? thanks.
dl
Dallas B. Lawrence
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Director, Office of community Relations & Public Liaison united States Department of
;;~~:~%~@~0Eill0ffi00~rg~;~-;~SD-PA
Sent: Monday, May 09. 2005 9:23 AM
Subject: Fw: (FOUO)
Sent: Mon May 09 09:21:4~ 2005

Subject: (FOUO)
Enclosed is the updated matrix as of 0900 today. The Steering Group is meeting daily this
week and the Matrix is our gUiding document. Please review it before today's meeting and
bring or email updates from your service.
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From: ' CIV, OASO·PA

Sent: Monday. May 09,20059:07 AM
To: ~W1Iu::W!;jtjj;it;E:i'e:;:!';ii::\\,;@;",:jc IV OASD-PA
Subjec:t: RE:: laday's Spectator (Babbin)
Tracking: Recipient Reed

.~et~~t:,ii;i)1~0jl;%i :M;;[iY,flV OASO·PA Read: 5/9/20059:12 AM
Good article!
Thanks
Office of the As~i~tant SC'cretar:' of Defense

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sent: Monday, Mav 09,20059:02 AM
To: ~~1~ID}!!';i;;('if&g\X,,;;:;i1mCIVOASD·PA
Rese~rcher
OSD Wnters Groll Room 2DSS4
Telephone:
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Jed Babbib
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From: JedBabbin@el~~~;%:Wf)(;(~;\Ml;!iJ
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BURM41516 roberthscales
I'm Volckering along nicely, thank you. How's by you?
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From: . Oi Rita, Larry, elY, OSD·OASD-PA
Sent: Sunday. May 06, 2005 2:20 PM
To: Henry. Ryan, HON, OSD-POLlCY
SUbject: Re: Reponse to the aBC Report
Tnx. By friday, it'll be all brae but there may be some cleanup au abc.
We have a regular b+ac rollout steering group that met and discussed this subkect friday.
We'll be ~egroupingsometime monday if you can b~ there. Tnx
Sent from my BlackBerry wireless Handheld
·----Original Message----- ••
From: Henry, Ryan, HON, OSD-POLICY <Ryan. Henry ',\.j;<:(,
To: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA <larry.ciirita
Sent: Sun May 08 14:16:59 2005
SUbject: Re: Reponse to the OBC Report
Larry
All week, except Friday. But if there's something critical to do I'll change my Friday
speaking engagement on in LA.
Regards -- Ryan
(from my Blackberry gizmo)
sent from my BlackBer~y Wireless Handheld
;~~~~O~~g;~~;,M~:~~~~'~~~~OSD-OASD-PA ~larry.dirital~~~~00llifu01Wt~
To: Henry, Ryan HON 0 D-POLICY· cRyan.Henry@osd.mil~;

Whitman
<Bryan.Whitma . . . Ruff Eric; SE5.
OASD·PA <Eric.Ruff CIV,
OSP-POLICY ~8Rm8<N%
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SUbject: Re: Reponse to the aBC Report
Ryan--we're at the point where we probably will need dod officials, on the record. We're
considering next steps. Are y~u in this week?
From: Henry, Ryan, HON, eSD-POLICY <Ryan.Henry
To: .Whitman,~:r:~~~L.SESJ ?ASD-PA <:Bryan.Whitma

, Ruf f, Eric , SBS, OASD- PA
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Sent: Sun May 08 2005
SUbject: Reponse DBC Report:
Bryan
If you're interested we're ready to oupport a backgrounder to military analyst / talking
heads <egarding OBC Report - BRAe nexus. You ~Afolks know best, but 1 ' m concerned about
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Sent: Frida. Ma 06, 20054:42 PM
To: IV,OASD-PA
Max Boot
Council on Foreign Relations
1779 Massachusetts Avenue, NW, 7th Floor
Telephone:
Fax:
Email:
Ellen Bork
Project for New American Century
1150 171h Street, NW, Suite 510
Telephone:
Fax:
Email:
Peter Brookes
Heritage Foundation
Washington. D.C. 20002
Telephone:
Fax:
Email:
lames lay Carafano

Heritage Foundation
Telephone:
Fax:
Assistant:
Email:
Dale Helle
Heritage Foundation
214 Massachusetts Avenue, N.E.
Telephone:
Fax:
Email:
maiho:dale.helle
Thomas Donnelly
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J 150 17u, Street, NW, Suite 1100
Telephone:
Fax:
Email: mailto:tdonnell ,
David Frwn
1150 17lh Street, NW, Suite 1100
Telephone:
Fax:
Assistant:
Email:
Reuel Marc Gerecht

1150 171h Street, NW, Suite 510
Telephone:
Fax:
Assistant:
Email:
Dr. Daniel Gaure

Lexington Institute
1600 Wilson Boulevard, Suite 900
Arlington, Virginia 22209
Telephone:
Fax:
Email:
Robert Kagan
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
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Telephone:
Fax:
Email:
Phyllis Kaminsky
Kaminsky Associates
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Fax:
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Clifford May
Found,ation for the Defense of Democracy
, 114619th Street. NW. Suite 300
Telephone:
Fax:
Email:
Susan Molinari
The Washington Group
1401 K Street. NW, 10th Floor
Telephone:
Fax:
Assistant:
Email:
Joshua Muravchik
1ISO 17th Street, NW, Suite 1100
Telephone:
Fax:
Email:
Richard Perle
1150 17th Street, NW, Suite 1100
Telephone:
Fax:
Assistant:
Email:
Phillip James
Heritage Foundation
Telephone:
Fax:
Email:
Danielle P1etka
r 150 17th Street, NW, Suite 1100
Washington, D.C. 2003.6
Telephone:
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Fax:
Assistant:
Email:.
Claudia Rosett
Foundation for the Defense ofDemocracy
Telephone:
Fax:
Email: <mailto:Claudia (
Michael Rubin
Telephone:
Fax:
Email: mailto:mrubin ii..'
Gary Schmitt
1150 17tb Street, NW, Suite 510
Washington, D.C. 20036 .
Telephone:
Fax:
Email:
Fred Thompson
Former US Senator
P.O. Box 143
Hermitage, Tennessee
Telephone:
Fax:
Assistant:
Email:
Larry Wortzel
Heritage Foundation
Telephone: ~i i~Jf~ID<,X~i~rif~i" "'0¥(" "E~;" "iM;" ')m" '; ;j; ' ' ' : %~=;~' ;0)
Fax:
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To: Thorp, Frank. CAPT, OCJCSfPA
Subject:· Re: jed babbinflaura ingrahm
No problem,
-----ori9inal Message----
From: Thorp, Frank, CAPT, OCJCS/PA <frank. thor
CIV, OSD
:~~a~~;~~~~~p:~1;~'1:t"~'~~i;iHO~~~;~AE;~~:a~B:~i;::D- PA ~I'w~"'i~~f
CC: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA <larry.dirita~~p2@§40ij~
Sent: Thu May 05 20:03:51 2005 . ".","" ... ".".
SUbject: RE: jed babbin/laura ingrahm
I'd prefer not to do this, purely from a time problem ...
Frank
Frank. Thorp
Captain, USN
special Assistant for Public Affairs
of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
From: whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
Sent: WeQnesday, May 04, 2005 5:29 PM
To: ~#~0%S01f0$0800s%8 CIV, OSD; RUff, Eric, SES, OASD·PA
Cc: Belmick, Frank, BG, OSO; Oi Rita, Larry, CIV, DSD-OASO-PA; Thorp, Frank, CAPT.
OCJCS/PA
Subject: RE: jed babbin/laura ingrahm
I just got off the phone with him and gave him what I coulQ on Abu Faraj Al-Libi, He
mentioned that he would like to have Pace or Myers in the Friday show, so I will pass that
request off to Frank Thorp.
From: t~~~~l,{;:%!;;\~iNT1::;fiiW\~\ii)\iUi;:;'ii;\)j CIV, OSO

Sent: WednesQay, May 04, 2005 5:16 PM
Ce: Helmick, Frank, BG, OSD; Whitmari, Bryan. SES, OASO~PA; Di Rita, La~ry, CIV. 05D
OASD-PA
Subject: RE: jed babbin!laura ingrahm
Eric, I just spoke. with Jed and told him that PW would not be able to QO the interview.
He completely understood anQ said he would be in touch in the future. -~ Charley
~~~t: ~;i¥0D0~0~jY0~g~0f4CI~~O~S~~:~;1~~Ck,
Fran~. BG, OSD
Ce: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASO-PA; Oi Rita, Larry, CIV, OSO-OASD-PA
Subject: jed babbin!laura ingrahm
jed is guest hosting on laura's nationally syndicated radio program tomorrow and friday.
can the dsd could do a live interview with jed for 15 minutes tomOrrow (he's out of town
friday, right? l. we can select any time between 10 and noon. subj ect is up to us 0'- a
conversation about the war, a look-back.on the dad's experience here, etc. wide open to
us. charley, jed's contact info iS~%~0K0Mt0@00M%%~ can you please take this on and be in
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touch with jed, yea or nay. thank.s.
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From: Lawrence, Dallas. OASD·PA

Sent: Wednesday, May 04,20053:33 PM
To: Whitman. Bryan, SES, OASD·PA
Subject: RE:
Telephone:
Cellular:
Fax:
Email:
Cc: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Keck, Gary, Col, OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: RE:
Dallas, What's Bobbin's number -- I'll call him on the Arrest of Abu Faraj AI-Ubi
From: Ruff, EriC, SES, OASD·PA

Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 3:30 PM
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD·PA; Kecle, Gary, Col, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, CIV,
OASD-PA
Subject: RE:
no clue.. i think he sl1ou~d go outside to a former of some type.
To: Keck, Gary, Col, QASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD·PA; Barber, Allison, CIV,
OASD-PA .
Subject:
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urgent: wHO IS AN EXPERT ON CHEMICAL INTERROGATIONS? I'M SUBBING FOR
LAURA INGRAHAM TOMORROW AND FRIDAY. I NEED A GUEST TO TALK ABOUT HOW
WE CAN SHOOT THIS BUTHEAD SO FULL OF VERSED THAT HE THINKS HE'S TALKING
TO ALLAH. LEMME KNOW ASAP, PLEASE. I'M ON THE AIR 12-2 TODAY;
LAURA'S SHOW IS 0900-1200.
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From: Helmick, Frank, aG, OSD
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:45 P'M.. . .....
To: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASO-PA; ~~!WtW7G;:/:\mj)'T'i,WH CIV, OSD
Cc: Whitman, Bryan. SES, OASD-PA; 01 Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA;.
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Subject: RE: jed babbinl/aura ingrahm
Thoughts?
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FRANK HELMICK
BGUSA
SENIOR MILITARY ASSISTANT TO THE
DEPUTY SECRETARY OF DEFENSE
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Cc: Whitman, Bryan, SCS, OASD·PA; Oi Rita, Larry, av, OSD·OASD-PA
Subject: jed babbin/lawa Ingrahm
jed is guest hosting on laura's nationally syndicated radio program tomorrow and friday. can the dsd could do a live
interview with jed for 15 minutes tomorrow (he's out of town friday, right?). we can select any time between 10 and
noon. subject is up to us _. a co . t the war, a look-back on the dsd's experience here, etc. wide open to
us. charley, jed's contact info is . . can you please take this on and be in touch with jed, yea or nay.
thanks.
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From: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASO·PA
Sent: Wednesday. May 04, 2005 12:55 PM
Cc: Oi Rita, Larry, elV, OSD·OASO-PA
SUbje.ct: RE: jed babbin
We are gathering info now.
from: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD·PA

Sent: Wednesday, Mav 04, 2005 12:25 PM
To: Whitman, Bryan, 55, OAS[)-PA
ee: Oi Rita, Larry, elY, OSD-OASD-PA
Subject: jed babbin
as you may infer from my earlier email, jed has called. he'd like to talk w/someone about the capture of the #3 guy in al
queda on friday·· what it means, etc. -- while he is guest hosting the laura ingrahm show. jed says he'll talk with the
person anytime between 9 and noon. can your shop please work this? please have Whomever you tag cc me so i know
what the status of this is. i'm out of the middle but want to be kept apprised. which I'm sure you can appreciate. thanks,
eric
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Sent: . Wednesday, May 04,200510:16 AM
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Subject: RE: Call in number
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sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:16 AM
To: 'Lawrence, Dallas, OASD·PA'
Subject; Call in number
Dallas: r lost the call in number for today's conference call. Can someone send to me?
Thanks. When is our next trip????????? .
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SubjOQt: Jed Babbln (American Spectator)
Pooty-Poot's Middle East
By Jed Babbin
Published 5/2/2005 12:08:45 AM
In what will certainly be her last masterwork, the 2002 Statecraft, Margaret Thatcher
insists the West can help Russia become "a real free-enterprise economy based on
sound money. low taxes, limited government and above all a rule of law." Thatcher
says that, "above all, perhaps, we have to be patient." Which is good counsel
.regarding Russian internal change. But -- in its external affairs -- Vladimir Putin's
Russia is in a hurry. It is working fast and hard.to undermine everything we are trying
to do to reshape ,the Middle East. We can have no patience with Putin's efforts to
thwart what we must do.
The most painful moment in the President's news conference last Thursday night
wasn't when the networks cut him off to chase the May ratings sweeps. It came much
earlier when he was describing his relationship with Putin. The President said, Itl had a
long talk with Vladimir there in Slovakia about democracy and about the importance of
democracy. And as you remember at the press conference: .. he stood up and said he
strongly supports democracy. I take him for his word." For a'man who supports
democracy, far less strongly, the former KGB capo has a funny way of demonstrating
". .
One night about two years ago an Israeli alarm clock -- in the form of a pair of F~16s
that snapped a sonic boom over his house at about 0300 -- woke Syrian President
Bashar Assad with sufficient suddenness to justify a change in bed linens. That wak.e
up call threw enough fear into him to slow his terrorist surrogates' operations against
Israel for a short whire. Since then, Assad has come to feel protected. First, by
President Bush who -- decfining to take action against Syrian support for the Iraq
insurgency -- has effectively granted the insurgents a sanctuary in Syria. Second, by
Putin who is helping Assad help the terrorists.
Having placated the U.N. by withdrawing about 14,000 Syrian troops from Lebanon,
and leaving their intelligence structure behind to continue supporting Hezbollah and
their ilk, Putin is selling Syria Igla-8 shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles to deter Israeli
or American air attacks. Mr. Bush's reaction was all too tepid. We're protesting the sale'
of the vehicle-mounted 191a5, not the man-portable ones. The man-portable version is
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less capable, but not much. And these missiles are a danger to us as well as the
Israelis.
The Pentagon knows where at least some of the terrorist camps in Syria are, 'from
which the insurgents in Iraq are operating. The new Iraqi government hasn't yet given
us permission to operate from Iraq against these camps. As tolerant as we are of the
Iraqis' struggle to organize their new govemment, we can no longer allow their
indecision to protect the Syrian sanctuary the terrorists now enjoy. If we can't launch
our special ops people against these camps from Iraq, we can hit them from the air
with cruise missiles and manned aircraft. The Russian sale of the 191a-8 to Syria puts
American lives at risk. This missile, relatively new, is capable of penetrating most of
the defenses our aircraft have against heat-seeking missiles such as these. There is
no other way to put it: Russian sale of these missiles to Syria is meant to deter
American and Israeli air strikes. ..
At the same time Putin is defending democracy by arming Syria, he is also doing
everything he can to support Iran's nuclear program. Russia. of course, was the
primary builder of the Iranian nuclear program and continues to be its principal
supplier. While the EU-3(Britain, France and Germany) were trying to negotiate Iran
out of its uranium enrichment program again last week, Putin offered to supply Iran
with nuclear fuel for its reactor and then collect the spenl fuel so that Iran couldn't
further enrich it into weapons-grade uranium. Mr. Bush said he appreciated Putin's
gesture, and that Putin understands the dangers of an Iran with a nuclear weapon. He
does, indeed. And we would be absurdly naive to trust Put;n to prevent the Iranians
from making fissionable material. .
CAN ANYONE BELIEVE IT a coincidence that while Putin is allying Russia with both
Iran and Syria, those two nations are more or less formalizing the Axis of Evil? Last
February, Iranian veep Mohammad Reza Aref said Iran and Syria were forming a
"common front." He said, "We are ready to help Syria on all grounds to confront
threats." Syria's principal threats are Israel and America, and so they will remain as
long as Syria is a state sponsor at-terrorism. That the two terrorist states are allying
more formally, with Russia playing the third-party co-conspirator, should send chills up
every spine in western Europe. The last time this happened, Stalin was signing up to
play second violin to Hitler.
While this is going on. Putinis also offering to train "security services" among the
Palestinians and selling them helicopters and communications equipment.
Unmentioned in Putin's trip to Israel last week were the armored personnel carriers he
was also offering the Palestinians. It seems Mr. Bush's pal is eagerly seeking to
restore Russian influence in the Middle East, but not in the interests of countering
terrorism: only countering America.
In Statecraft, Lady Thatcher also wrote that. "The worst error, as always in dealing with
Russia. is naivete." We need to be engaged with Russia, not to it. And whatever
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passes between Iran and Syria, Russia must not aid or abet. Uncle Joe, as FOR and
Churchill called Stalin, was taught an expensive lesson when Hitler invaded Russia in
1941. Putin would do well to remember that when the Germans retreated, millions of
Russians already lay dead. And that as easy as it would be for terrorists to smuggle a
nuclear weapon into the United States. it would be just as easy -- and far less a .
distance -- for them to smuggle one into Russia.
and Old Europe Are Worse Than You Think (Regnery, 2004)
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From: f~~!Wh(?>\fii;t/C(!iij elY, OASD·PA
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 1:20 PM I

Cc: Barber, Allison, CIV. OASD-PA
SUbject: military analyst calls
eric,
here's a list of the calls we've done this year so far. let me know if you want to go back further. thanks. tj
200S Military Analyst Briefings
January 4: Update on PACOM with Admiral Fargo
January 25: Update on Supplemental Budget Request with Comptroller Jonas and Vice Admiral Willard
March 9: Update on DoD Detention Operations with Vice Admiral Church
March 18: Update and information on NDS and NMS Vtith Undersecretary Feith and Rear Admiral Sullivan
March 30: Update and information on operations in Iraq with Lieutenant General Smith
Apri16: Update on the contract for the Future Combat Systems program being fielded from 2004-2005 with
Brigadier General Charles Cartwright.
Apri122: Update and infonnation on operations in Iraq and on VCJCS being named Chainnan with Brigadier
General Carter Ham and Larry Di Rita .
GSD Public Affairs

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Sent: ril 29, 2005 8:37 AM
To: elV, OASD-PA
Cc: .'. elV, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES. OASD-PA
SUbJect: RE: Feith Radio interview
Ok, we go Jive at 1336 hrs with USDP Feith and Jed Babbin on wmet, pari of the lOF national network, The Producer,
Seth Unger, is at~~!~)}:iii;;;(&lXi!i\j:igl Bob, could you can him? It's taken me two days to get this guy on the phone and I don't
get the impression they're overly organized. He said he'd touch base with you but I'd feel better if you called him. Really
appreciate it! See you about 1320 to get set up,
Jed Babbin numbers:m~W~@:@::i~:;;':1)W;j}\;'(Pi::f~1(home office)

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Cc: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Keck, Gary, Col, OASD·PA :HE-mail); Bryan Whitman (E-mail); Roxie T.
Merritt (E-mail)
. Subjed: RE: Feith Radio interview
We do have [SON and can reserve the Small Studio for you. Have the producer and technical person call
. to coordinate the ISDN.
All the best,
----Ori
From: LTC, OASD-PA
Se . ri128, 2005 3:18 PM
To: , elV, OASD· PA
Cc: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Keck, Gary, Col, OASD·PA
Subject: Feith Radio interview
Hey, Mr Ruff set up live radio interview tomorrow with Jed Babbin and feith. If the small studio is free can we setit
up for 1315-1350. Their producer asked if we had an "ISDN."
Producer's number:
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Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 5:38 PM
To: OL, OSD-POLlCY
Cc: ,LTC,OASD-PA
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Subject: Feith radio
Jed is sitting in for the talk show host on wmet, part of the idf national network. Doug is willing provided there are no
questions from the radio listeners. there are not.
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Subject: RE: Feith Radio interview
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Sent: Thursday, April 28, 20053:44 PM
Cc: Keck, Gary, Col, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD·PA; Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASO-PA
Subject: RE: Feith Radio Interview
yes and yes--will be at both; Maggie say we're calling 5:15-5:45.

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SUbJect: RE: Feith Radio interview
for the pre·call tonight with babbin and feith, are you thinking about either monitoring or sitting in? j'm presuming
you're doing the show with doug in the small studio so it might be helpful for you to hear ltIe conversation tonight,
either via a conference call or in person. thanks.
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sen : T r d rll 28, 2005 3:27 PM
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Cc: u, nc, , OASD-PA; Ked, Gary, Col, OASD·PA; Bob Whitmer (E-mail); Bryan Whitman (E-mail); Roxie
T, Merritt (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Feith Radio Interview
We do have ISDN and can reServe the Small Studio for you. Have the producer and technical
person call Bob Whitmer at ~jt'~~~,1.~!;~%W:i!!&M!.;J;j:~;t~to coordinate the ISO N.
All the best.
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sent: 28, 2005 3:18 PM
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TO:m%~J:iiU;i~;/i0t:i):i:EiJnd av, OASD·PA

Cc: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Keck, Gary, Col, OASD·PA
Subject: Feith RadiO Interview
Hey, Mr Ruff set up live radio interview tomorrow with Jed Babbin and Feith. If the small studio is free can
we set it up fOT 1315-1350.. Their producer asked if We had an "ISDN." "
Producer's number:
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From: RUff, Eric, SES. OASD-PA
sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 5:38 PM
To: COL, OSD-POUCY
Cc: LTC,OASD-PA
Subject: Feith radio
Jed is sitting in for the talk show host on wmet, part of the idE national network. Doug is willing provided there
are no questions from the radio listeners. there are not.
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Sent: urs ay. pril2B. 2005 3:27 PM
Subject: . called. He will not be hosting for LatJr2 Ingraham; does not need DSD £B1mMH
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Sent: Thursday. April 28, 2005 3:00 PM
Subject: FW: Per Request Yesterday on IG Report
we briefed the military analysts on the church report. i believe. is that the most recent relative to this issue of punishment.
etc.? thanks.
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Subject: Per Request Yesterday on epa
Per your request yesterday on coverage of the IG report, here is an article that came out this morning. It is starting to get
picked up by several online outlets.
We thought it was ofparticular interest because it's penned by former White House reporter Helen Thomas. and because
she now has a syndicated column at Hearst.
Pentagon Report 00 Abuse Has To B' Joke

Top Brass Exonerated; GIs Blamed
Helen Thomas, Hearst White House columnist
POSTED: 10:14 am EDT April 28, 2005
The Pentagon has got to be kidding.
It turns out that only those rogue enlisted men and women, and one woman general, are to blame for the horrifying
treatment of prisoners and detainees of the Iraqi war, according to Lt. Gen. Stanley Green, the Army Inspector General.
He cleared four senior Army officers of any responsibility for the abuse of prisoners at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison after
reviewing the results of 10 separate inquiries into the prison abuse, some Of WhiCh the world was able to view though
photos.
In effect, his report is the final word unless there are some brave members of Congress who are willing to investigate the
role of the military higher-ups who gave the green jight for the Severe interrogation of prisoners in U.S. custody.
The responsibility ultimately lies with President George W. Bush, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Attorney
General Alberto Gonzales - then White House counsel- who decided that the Geneva Conventions on Humanitarian
Treatment of PrIsoners of War didn't apply in the "war on terrorism."
Among the military hierarchy, only Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, an Army reserve officer Who commanded the military police
unit at Abu Gharib, has paid a price. Karpinski, who was reheved of her command and given a written reprimand, claims
she is a scapegoat and plans to fight the charge.
The military has targeted 125 indiViduals with e.ither criminal or administrative charges in connection with 350 cases of
abu8e in Iraq and Afghanistan. Six low-ranking servicemen have been convicted or pleaded guilty to abuse-related
charges.
• In a recent interview with the San Francisco Chronicle, Karpinski pointed to the role of Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller, who had
been sent from his duty at the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba prison - known as "Gitmo" - to Iraq where his orders were to
"Gitmoize" Abu Ghraib. Miller told officers there "to treat the prisoners like dogs."
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Green exonerated Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez, who headed the command In Iraq tram June 2003 to July 2004. Green
said charges against Sanchez and three of his senior deputies were "unsubstantiated."
So, once again, Ifs those GI renegades whose imaginative abuse of prisoners ran to nakedness, stacking nude men in a
pyramid and using leashed dogs to intimidate during questioning.
Bush has piously stated that he was opposed to torture. Fine. But the proof of the pudding is for him to issue an executive
order against torture and to announce that the U.S. will once again abide bythe Geneva Conventions.
Civil rights groups, including Human Rights WatCh, Amnesty International and the American Civil Liberties Union are
appalled at the Green report.
Human Rights WatCh called on Gonzales to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the roles of aU U.S. officials "who
participated in, ordered, or had command responsibility for war crimes or torture."
The human rights group also called for a bipartisan probe - similar to the 9/11 commission investigation - to look into the
roles of Bush, Rumsfeld and former CIA director George Tenet.
"We believe that if the U.S. is gOing to wipe away the stain of Abu Ghraib, it needs to investigate those at the top who
ordered or condoned abuse, and to come clean on what the president has authorized and repudiate once and for all the
mistreatment of detainees in the war on terror," said Reed Brody, Human Rights Watch special counsel.
" ,
He said the fact that the same kinds of abuses were going on in three different theaters (Iraq, Afghanistan and
Guantanamo) suggests that the responsibility is higher up.
The civil rights groups saId the mlllta,ry appears to be incapable of investigating itself.
,The hmy inspector general's report follows the report in March by Vice Adm. Albert Church, the Navy Inspector General,
who said he found no pressure from the chain of command that led to the prison abuses. Most of the Church report was
classified but he found "no single, overarching explanation of the abuses."
Church said U.S, servicemen "at times may have permitted the enemy's treacherous disregard for the rules of war (to)
erode their own standards of condUCt."
Brody called it another "whitewash."
Anthony D. Romero, the ACLU executive director, denounced the latest Army inqUiry giVing the topside of the Pentagon a
clean bill of health.
"The government cannot ignore the systemic nature of the torture that implicates the military chain of command to the very
top," he said. '
Oh. yes. it can. It already has done so.
(Helen Thomas can be reached at the e·m2lil address hthomas@hearstdc.com).
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Cc: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD·PA
Subject: RE: Jed Babbin Bio
yes it is .
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Sent: Thursday: April 28/ 2005 9:23 AM
.To: fP~.~~'lk;:;f,;4{;i;ii)j:;n COL, OSO-POUCY; ''''''[mm;;t~=h;;=''/=/;;;"""'/,=,;\=3):"""'.{i.=/N CIV, OSD·POllCY
Cc: Ruff, EriC, SES, OASO-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD·PA
Subject: Jed Babbln 8io
. see bio. It's the same guy. vir
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From: . Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
Sent: A ri127, 20055:21 PM
To: ':' ':' ::.''.' :<'' LTC. QASD-PA
Subject: Re: Feith radio
~%WWs01 feith would like to talkw/jed before the interview, preferrably the day before. I
meant to tell you this first thing today. Meantime I'll call jed. Has doug been
scheduled? Thanks.
From: LTC, OASD-PA
Sent: Tue Apr 26 15:30:09 2005
Subject: RE: Feith radio
What is Jed's email or phone? Since Feith can't talk China but will talk his normal GWOT
strategy, want to make sure this is good with Jed
Sent: 25, 2005 5:3B PM
To: OL, OSD-POLICY
Cc : , LTC, OASD- PA
Subject: feith radio
~M*~0Mi spoke to doug on friday about doing a live interview with jed babbin while jed is
sitting in for the talk show host on wmet. part of the idf national network. doug is
willing provided there are no questions from the radio listeners. there are not. i belive
tracy has contacted you on this. jed only has three days left, wed, thur and frid, from
noon to 2 p.m., so time is a little tight -- which is why i'm weighing in. thanks.
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Jed 1. Babbin
Europe are Worse than You Think" (Regnery 2004). He is a fonner Air Force officer
who served as a deputy undersecretary in the first Bush administration (1990·1991).
Mr. Babbin writes regularly for National Review Online and for the American Spectator
Magazine. His weekly column, "Loose Canons", appears in The Americrm Spectaror
Online . .Mr. Babbin's expertise is in national security and foreign affairs. However, he
also writes about legal matters and for The American SpeclOlOr 's "Saloon" series on
subjects such as single barTel bourbon and fine cigars. He also \\oTote the military
adventure novel, Legacy a/Valor. (Pentland Press, 2000).
Mr. Babbin is a military analyst and appears frequently on the Fox News Channel and
MSNBC, on shows such as "The O'Reilly Factor", "Hardball with Chris Matthews",
For about four years, Babbin served as designated guest host of Oliver North's "Common
Sense Radio" when Col. North was unavailable. During the Iraq military campaign in .
subbed for Laura Ingraham and Greg Garrison.
Mr. Babbin is a graduate of Stevens Institute of Technology-(B.E. 1970), Cumberland

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Sent:
To: K;i~J:,j;~mi~ij t~g ~A~g~~;:54 AM
Subject: FW: jed babbin/l.g. findings on sanchez, et al
Can you check with Army and see if they are interest,ed.
$ent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:52 AM
To: Whitman, Bryan, 5ES, OASD-PA
Subject RE: jeCJ babbinfi.g. findings on sanchez, et al
agree on both assessments. can someone call alexander and liaise with him and babbin? thanks.
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Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:51 AM
To: RUff, Eric, SES, OASD·PA
Suj,jeet: RE; jed babbin/i.g. findings on sanchez, et al
Unfortunately Church ;s never going to happen -- maybe Alexander?
From: Ruff, Eric, 51:5. OASD-PA
sent: Wednesday. AprH 27. 20059:17 AM
To: Whitman, BrYan, 51:5, OASD·PA
Subject: jed babbln/i.g. IIndlngs on sanchez, et (II
jed really wants to take on the post's editorial from yesterday and is looking for a guest on his program this week. he
specifically mentioned adm church. any thoughts? thanks.
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Sent: Tues ay, pn , 2005 9:45 AM
To: 01 Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric. SES, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SES,
o -PA MerrItt, ROl<ie T. CAPT, OASD-PA; Keel<, Gary, Col OASO·PA
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Subject: FYI-transcript of SG Ham, Mr. Di'Rita'~;r';~~ly~t c a l l ' ,
Attachments: 04·22·05 BG Ham, Di Rita Iraq.doc
Attached is a transcript of the call with the mititary analysts last Friday. 000 principals were BG Carter Ham and Mr. Di
Rita. Topic was Iraq.
NOTE: Call was ON BACKGROUND. Transcript provided for your information to read what was said. Transcript was not
provided to military analysts,
Both AFIS story (Garamone) and Talking Points (partial) were written off the transcript.
04-22-05 BG Ham,
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From: . Oi Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-QASD·PA
Sent: Tuesday, April 26. 2005 8:28 AM
.Subject: Re: felth radio
Not sure what you mean.
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To: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA <larry.dirita
Sent: Tue Apr 26 08:22:39 2005
Subject: FW: feith radio
here is where we run into problems.
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I have been told very specifically that Jed is not to .ask and Mr Feith is to steer away
from all China issues. Given tha.t, I assume we will be prepping Mr Feith on QDR issues-
yes? Any other topics?
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this. jed only has three days left, wed, ~hur and frid, from
noon to 2 p.m., so time is a little tight -- which is why i'm weighing in. thanks.
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Sent: 'I 5, 2005 5:42 PM
To: ". LTe, OASD-PA
Yea, but tell Jed, we don't do China
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that's some good stUff. is this part of that master plan that mcgraw has pulled together with pIa'S lead?
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Thanks.. .fyi. Grone is SCheduled to do CBS Radio ( Bob Fuss) re BRAC tomorrow at 3:30,.
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just exchanged emails with jed. he's not too keen on brae but is on china and qdr. feith is willing to do this
provided there are no q.uestions from callers, which is the case with jed -. he's the only questioner. thanks.
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Subject:
jed babbin
jed is filling in for wmet radio (idt national radio network) next week and called about possible guests. he
has availabilities from noon 102 p,m., every day next week EXCEPT tuesday. i think we should consider
doug feith (qdr" china) and phil wone (brae) as potentials, bryan/~~~if.M~:;i'li'd Iik.e u's to work this with feith's
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Subject: American Spectator (Babbin)
AMERICAN SPECTATOR
Gilligan's Ghost
By Jed Babbin
Published 4/25/200512:06:02 AM
No, our Little Buddy is, at last reports, still in good health. But the other Gilligan -
Andrew, formerly of the BBC, the taxpayer-funded Brit network _. is being honored in
practice if not in name. His bias and fabulism have been the foundation upon which
the lads and ladies of the Beeb have built their newest and most direct participation in
politics.
You remember Andrew. It was he who broadcast Baghdad Bob's line that American
troops hadn't been able to capture "Saddam International" whilst the airport bar was
being inventoried enthusiastically by our guys. Gilligan later made up the charge that
Tony Blair "sexed up" the intel on Iraq, and was eventually allowed to resign. Now, '
campaigning against Tory Leader Michael Howard, the Gilligan-minded Beeb has
managed to outdo CBS. .
Gunga Dan and his crew of miscreants used forged documents to campaign against
Dubya, but didn't go so far as to plant hecklers at campaign stops. That they left to
Michael Moore. About a week ago, concerned that the campaign wasn't going badly
enough for the Conservatives, the BBC crew covering a Tory event gave wireless
microphones to hecklers in the audience who obliged by shouting, "Michael Howard is
a liar," "You can't trust the Tories," and such while the Beeb crew recorded it aU for
later broadcast. Everyone in the UK who owns a television pays the BBC tax. CBS and
the New York Times are horrifically biased, but at least we aren't forced to pay for their
upkeep.
Freedom cannot be said to exist where people are forced to pay to support media that
are engaged in partisan politics. (You can make the same case against NPR, but not
to the degree of clarity that now pertains to the BBC.) If the BBC isn't forced to fire the
reporters and producers involved in this episode, their conduct will encourage more
political activism at the Beeb, and widen the cracks in British democracy. Why the
Tories don't put an end to the BBC tax on their agenda is quite a mystery. Our
democracy is in better shape, but not by much. Just ask John Bolton.
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I RETRACT THE APOLOGY I made to Sen. Chuck Hagel last week. Hagel turned coat
so fast last week it left Dick Lugar's head spinning. Hagel's cover was blown when
. Sen. -George Voinovich (RINO-Ohio) blindsided Foreign Relations Committee
chairman Lugar and the White House by saying during last Tuesday's committee
meeting on the nomination that he couldn't vote for Bolton. As soon as Voinovich
headed to the tall grass, Hagel quickly joined him, as did hopelessly liberal Lincoln
Chafee, and later the previously invisIble Usa Murkowski (Daddy's daughter·- Alaska).
Neither Hagel nor Chafee had the cojones to be the lone - or first -- Repub to go
southon Bolton, but once Voinovich broke the ice, both were eager to jump in the
hole. May it politically re-freeze over both their heads.
Bolton's nomination is in real trouble, enough that it may die in committee or be

withdrawn. In this crisis, former Secretary of State Colin Powell is joining in the
whispering campaign to sink him. Powell is reportedly "responding" to questions from
the Republican defectors, fueling the fires of Bolton's unreasonableness and harsh
treatment of staffers. You have to wonder: if Bolton was such a prob~em when he
worked for Powell, why didn't Powell fire him? Maybe because those who were more
on board with their president's agenda -- such as former Secretary of State Lawrence
Eagleburger, who spent ten years working with Bolton -- have a much less skewed
view of the man,
Eagleburger made two important points in the Sunday Washington Post. First, that in
many years working with Bolton he'd never seen or heard of Bolton abusing staff, and
second that Bolton's blunt manner of speaking is just what we need now at the UN,
Powell's involvement in the whispering campaign against Bolton is beneath hIm, or
was. lid thought better of him. I was wrong. But the Prez is right about a couple of
other appointments he made last week. .
It was more than just a little smart to appoint the first Marine Chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff. In the Friday ceremony announcing the appointment of Gen. Peter
Pace, the Prez said that all we needed to know about Pace is that he's a Marine. Yes,
but we should take the trouble to know more. Like the fact that Pace is a combat vet. a
real tougl, guy with a very large brain, and well respected in all the services. After
announcing the Pace appointment, Dubya tried and failed twice to say the name of the
man who is to be Pace's deputy. The prez (lnt~ntionally?) misunderestimated the
difficulty he'd have in pronouncing Adm. Edmund Giambastiani's name, but he had no
problem telling the world that the new team wouldn1t stray from the path he and Donald
Rumsfeld have set for fighting the war and transforming the sometimes-recalcitrant
Pentagon. (That, by the way, is an unnoticed but huge vote of confidence in
Rumsfeld.) Henceforth, by presidential order, the newly nominated deputy chairman of
the Joint Chiefs will be known as IlAdmiral G."
BUT BACK TO EUROPE FOR more bad news. The EU-3 -- Germany, France, and
Britain -- are readying themselves for another session of negotiations with Iran, slated
for later this week. They continue to delude themselves, and anyone else who will
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. listen, that Iran can be talked out of its desire to build nuclear weapons. The EUnuchs I
want Iran to give up its uranium enrichment program (which the lranians supposedly I
put on hold while the talks go on -~yeah, sure). Iran, in a message designed to turn the
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heat up on the EU-3, said that if there wasn't progress on the last "compromise" Iran
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·offered -- which, natch, lets them continue enriching some uranium for II peaceful"
purposes .- they'd call the talks off. France wants to accept the Iranian promise, while I
. the Brits are holding out for a tougher stance. Not that it means anything other than I
delaying the covert and overt actions we are going to have to take to force cessation of I
the Iranian program. It's either act or accept the fact of a nuclear-armed Iran. France, I
meanwhile, is more concerned witl, the EU constitution than the prospect of being
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left to Nicholas Sarkozy, Mr. Bean look-alike and contender for the French presidency, I
to give the best reason to vote for the EU constitution. He said, "I am 50 years old, and I
it is the first time in French history that a person my age has not been asked togo to I
I' war for his country. That is for one simple reason: Europe." It had nothing to do with
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Here's something you might want to send to Chuck Nash. Might help him a little. Not exactly armor" but....
Below is reference:
Chuck Nash: General. Chuck Nash. Fox News. Got a question about, you mentioned the forces going over, and
making sure they're the right forces, The issue comes down to what we see a lot in the media which is, a recent article
that we've lost. either total loss or bad enough that we had to snip them back to the States, 80 main battle tanks.
We've got Strykers running around up north; the Army \5 looking at a fairly sizable investment in thing called FCS
(Future Combat Systems) we're told will be a family of 18 lightly armored vehicles. And we're stUI getting people
Whacked on the road to the airport.
Would you just give me your thoughts on where this all goes, and are the lessons that we're learning about armor in
Iraq real WOrld? Are those lessons getting picked up and used In the Pentagon? Or are we stUl sort or keeping the
power point slides that we're in the process still moving?
BG Ham: Well, I think irs clearly the case that the joint Services. and certainly all the individual Services are adaptive
and learning organiZations. There's been considerable effort trying to learn everything that we Can from the ongoing
operations. It's also fair to say that the enemy is learnin9 and adapting. And clearly they're tactics, techniques and
procedures a~ well, So this remains a very dangerous area,
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My personal experience in the north is that J think we have done a pretty good job of learning from the past two years
of operations insiae Iraq, and are taking the necessary precautions. I think the Services are making the good material
development decisions to counter this threat. But it is a very, very difficult environment, and remains a dangerous
environment. So, I guess I would just leave it at that, to say we are learning. I am pretty confident that we are moving
ahead and taking the lessons learned both from a material side and from a tactical employment side to do the best
that we can.
Again, none of that will ever eliminate the risk entirely; it remains a dangerous place
ChUCk Nash: Thank you.
DoD Joint Task Force Making Progress Against lED Threat By Sgt. 1st Class Doug Sample, USA
American Forces Press Service
WASHfNGTON, April 18, 2005 - Crudely assembled and easy to make, improvised explosive devices are
the biggest threat to servicemembers in Afghanistan and Iraq, according to the head of a new Pentagon task
force looking into ways to better protect troops. "It is the method the enemy uses that accounts for most of
the killed and wounded in action," Army Brig. Gen. Joseph Votel said. "It is the primary way the enemy
makes contact with us. That's why it's so important that our soldiers pay attention to the training that they are
getting." In an April 15 interview with the Pentagon Channel and American Forces Press Service, Votel
explained that training servicemembers how to be aware oflED threats has become a main focus of the new
Joint Improvised Explosive Device Defeat Task Force. In the summer of 2004, Deputy Defense Secretary
Paul Wolfowitz created the task force to come up with solutions to mitigate the effect of IEDs on
servi<:emembers in Iraq. The Army created its ov,rn lED Task Force in 2003. Such training, the general said,
has led to better odds for servicemembers to survive lED attacks, While the incident mtc of lED attacks has
gone up, the casualty rates are actually declining, he said. In 2003, a servicemember had a 50·50 chance of
dying in an lED attack, Votel said. That number has since decreased to about 18 percent, he said. "We've
done a pretty good job of trying to reduce the casualty ratio, and we've been able to reduce that by about 40
percent over the last year," he said. Votel said that one key area of training has been in situational
awareness. "We've always been aware of unexploded ordnance hazards, and we've always sort of preached
that from a safety standpoint, ... but making our servicemembers aware of this is a key piece," he said. Other
efforts that have led to a decline in the number of casualties have come from experience gained in theater.
The services have added more upannored equipment and applied new technology, such as the use of
"jammers" against "radio-controlled initiation devices," which Votel said· have also proven to be effective.
He said jamming technology is "no silver bullet," but it is "one tool in our tool kit that can be applied."
VoLe} insisted the best weapon for servicemembers against the lED threat is "to be alert and to watch their
surroundings." "The very best sensor we have out there is our servicemembers," he said. "We can't replicate
their brains or their eyes, so we've got to tniin them what to look for." Still, he pointed out that the ultimate'
goal of the Task Force is to stop the "bombers and bombmakers" befort: they strike." His organization is
also focusing on technology, training and operations that will allow the military to go after those responsible
for lED attacks in the first place, he said. "A lot of our efforts can be focused on protecting ourselves
against the blast," he said. "But ultimately, to defeat this threat, you have to go after the people that are
actually doing this, .. , to kill or capture them, so we prevent the lEDs from even being emplaced."
Related Site:
Loint Improvised Explosive Device Defeat Task Force < http://www.wood.Anl1v.mil!cehc!iedindex.htm>
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Subject: FW: jed babbin
any more details on this request we can provide phil grane? will this be via phone from his office/our studio? will there. be
call ins? how long on air? etc...
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OSD Public Affairs - Military Analyst call
With BG Carter Ham, Mr. Oi Rita I
Friday, Apr1122, 2005, 1030 •. The Pentagon) I
Topic: Iraq
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I Jed Babbin (AF, former JAG)- American spectator Magazine
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Maj. Gen. Bill Nash - Council on Foreign Relations
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Col. Ken Allard - MSNBC I
I Col. Gordon Cucullu - Fox News
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CSM Steve Greer - Fox News
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CAPT Chuck Nash - Fox News I
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Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely- Fox News
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I Ms. Allison Barber: (in progress) Reminder this is on background and we also have Larry Di.Rita
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with us this morning so he'll open up, and then we'll turn it over to General Ham. Thanks for
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Mr. Oi Rita: Good morning. I wanted - the reason I wanted to join you - we're very grateful that
I General Ham is able to give us an update on kind of current 0ps in Iraq. General Ham just
I returned from the theater. He was commanding a task force up in Mosul and is now on the Joint
Staff, and so he's got some very good Insights, and fairly fresh insights, as to what's going on
I over there.
But J wanted to spend just a minute or tlNO with you -I don't know if anybody had the opportunity
I to see the announcement that the .president just made regarding the selection of the next
I chairman and vice chairman. I wanted to just see if there were any questions, but also to the
extent that some of you might be out and get asked about it, the president's comments kind of
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speak for themselves.
These are two - first of General Myers has dorie a terrific job. and he's a -I was kind of struck by
I the president's description of him having held four tours as a four star, but he is without Question
I one of the most seasoned and experienced general officers anybody has ever come across just
in tGrms of th~ Jobs he's had.
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I He's done a terrific Job and we're going to miss him greatly, but Pace and Giambastiani are two
very well-qualified officers and have had a - my observation of them Is that they may be the most
- these may be the poster children of the Goldwater-Nichols Act. In other words, When the
Goldwater-Nichols Act was - I mean, we all resisted il. I did; I wrote articles about It and probably
I most qf you did, and it was - but it turned to be - have a lot of wisdom in it. And one of the things
I that it forced was a joint perception about everything we do. And these two guys bring more joint
insight into everything going on then perhaps any other four star officers that we have - you
I know, maybe putting aside Tommy Franks or John Abizaid who are out there on a joint
I warfighting environment as a four star.
I They are highly transformational. They have both worked within the Joint Staff transformation
I enVironment, so they understand all the hardware things that people like to get excited aboUt, but
more importantly, all the process reforms and all the contingency planning reforms and all the
I ways that we're trying to fix. and improve proce3ses to make the place 8 lot more capable at the
I (pointy?) end on the Joint level.
I So. it's two terrific choices. They're very independent-minded guys, both of them. Ttley're able to
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to come by - in other words, it's a military environment and you have to expres$ independence in
a very careful way and they're very good about it Both of those guys are extremely good at it.
They're very good at kind of calibrating thinking around here so that when an idea pops up they
can put it tnto the proper context and get it on the right track. I have seen them both very closely
particularly Ed (Giambastiani) whom I've worked with now four years very closely. but General
Pace as well. And they're two terrific officers who I think are going to be just wonderful selections.
If there's any specific questions - I don't know how much - this kind of leached out a little over the
last two or three days - it's kind of out there, but the president's announcement today may
generate a little more press interest. If any of you are out and have any insights that you'd Iik.e
to...
Ken Allard: Hey L.arry, Ken Allard.
Mr. Di Rita: Hey Ken.
Ken Allard: I was on the other side at that time. I remember your articles, and yes, I am glad you
were wrong.
Mr. 01 Rita:] was. And it was - you know, my favorite was 'I went joint but I didn't inhale,' But now
I'm breathing deeply, so ...
But these are two terrific officers who will be forceful in their views. You know, Ed In particular has
done an impressive amount of work about the lessons learned from Iraq and Afghanistan down at
the Joint Forces Command, and has become Just prodigiously knowledgeable about what
worked, what didn't - everything from battlefield intelligence up to C31 at the command level. He's
done a terrific job. And the Joint Staff and the Services are gleaning a lot of knowledge out of
that. He 'IS one smart cracker. And Pace of course is just a great leader and a great general. It's a
wonderful team and everybody's pretty excited about it.
If there's no - any thoughts or questions about the selection and Ihe announcement, I'd like to
ask General Ham if he wants to get into Iraq a little bit and talk about what's going on over there.
BG Ham: Well, thanks Mr Di Rita. , appreciate the opportunity this morning to discuss this with
you. Just a little bit of background. I'm Carter Ham. I've been on the Joint Staff now a little bit less
than a month, but this is not my first JoInt assIgnment. I had the great experience of serving at the
Central Command headquarters for a couple of years, and certainly appreciate that. I've replaced
General Dave Rodriguez, who's now In Mosul. I spent just a little bit more than a year in Mosul,
returning in late February.
I think as we swapped out that General Rodriguez got the better end of this deal. But I do
appreciate you taking lime this moming. Some of you I've met before, and others I took forward to
what I hope will be a productive and usefUl partnership.
For today's teleconference, I'd like to give you just a few comments about operations in Iraq, then
welcom~ your questions. I think we have about 30 minutes, so I'd rather talk about what you want
to talk about rather than me giving you a laundry list of things. And I suspect there's some things
you'" ask me that J don't know the answers to, and in those cases we'/I get you an answer later
today.
'A few points on Iraq. This week, we went below 1-40,000 U.S. in Iraq. The major deployment and
redeployment operations, that really began in earnest in December for this current rotation are
now nearly complete, both 99 percent complete - over 99 percent complete on both deployments
and redeployments. And in Kuwait, because this transitional period is now nearly complete. U.S.
personnel in Kuwait are also down now 10 about 14,000.
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Having said that, we'll soon start to see the beginning of the next cycle of units into and out of
Iraq. And of course, during these transitional periods, the numbers of troops increases in both
Kuwait and in Iraq while incoming/outgoing units are both on the ground conducting relief-in-place
operations.
MUlti-National Forces-Iraq now reports over 155,000 trained and equipped Iraqi Security Forces.
Certainly the capability varies from unit to unit. Sui the trend is clearly positive in the development
of the Iraqi Security Forces.
Insurgent activity, as I think most of you know, has increased somewhat over the past few weeks.
And that's not partiCUlarly significant in and of itself, as the weekly numbers of attacks tend to
fluctuate somewhat. And we don't believe this is yet indicative of What some are reporting as
increased levels of planning, coordination and sophistication of attack.
The general trend of the number of attacks has been decreasing since the January elections..
There ;s one exception I would like to mention, and that concerns vehicle-borne IEOs. This - so
far, this month of April, about 50 percent of the VBIEOs have 'been suicide attacks. That's a fairly
significant change. Most normally we have seen the number of suicide attacks less than 30
percent. HaVing said that, don't know yet what that means. but that is a particular note that we're
watching with great interest.
There'S certainly indications of increased ethnic strife. I think you are alt aware of the Zarqawl
letter of last year that indicates creating ethnic strife as certainly one of his goals, and I certainly
the bodies discovered in Haditha earlier this weeK (soccer stadium), the attack this morning in
Baghdad against a Shiite mosque, and other sites attacked this week bear out the interest in the
insurgents creating ethnic strife - Shiite versus Sunni, Arab versus Kurd and (unintelligible). This
is clearly going to be a challenge for the Iraqi Transitional Government and clearly for tne Iraqi
Security Forces in the weeks and months to come.
And finally, yesterday's loss of the 11 persons aboard the Skylink Mi-8 (helicopter) is very
regrettable. Many of you have been Iraq, and you know there's a gOOd relationship between most
of the private security firms operating there and U.S. and other Coalition forces.
We've all seen the video that's now on the web. Frankly, we're not certain of the veracity of that
clip. Was it the same incident - you know, was that the helicopter that was shot down? Wes that
man who was apparently shot - was that in that particular incident? We're just frankly not certain
of that yet. There is an investigation underway to Qetermine those facts and I think when those
are known, those will be made available. And with that, I'd welcome your questions. Or none.
Jed Babbin: General, Jed Babbin, American Spectator. Quick question. I know you said you didn't
know anything yet about the significance of the increase in VBIEDs being suiCiders. Just as an
educated guess, does that show you a change in sort of the ethnic makeup or source of the
suiciders themselves? Are we seeing more, you know, something out of Muqtada al Sadr, or
something from the other side - the Sunnis. I mean these guys apparently haye some sort of
doctrinal {nocturnal?) change. What do you attribute that to?
BG Ham: Well, It is very difficult to discern. Of course, in a suicide V81ED attack., in most cases,
there's not much left of the attacker to - so the forensic business of trying to determine, you
know, who was the actual attacker is pretty diffiCUlt. And unless you know that then it's difficult to
come to some of the conclusions that you're asking for.
I guess I would just .,.. Jed, just leave it at the way I said it - we don't yet know what to make of it.
It is of concem, because it is a fairly significant deviation from what we've seen in the past. And I
think that's aU we can say. We're trying to fIgure it out; we just don't have the answers yet.
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Jed Babbln: Thank you.
Ken Allard: General, Ken Allard. You may have seen a piece in yesterday's New York. Times by a
Marine colonel talking about the need for patience in fighting an insurgency. And he was
apparently trying to warn both against. you know, people who were too pessimistic as well as
peoplQ who Were overly optimistic.
Can you basically tell us a little bit about whether or not we are continuing to dig in for the long
haul here, or are we simply trying to see how quickly we can cut and run?
BG Ham: Well nobody's interested in cutting and running. The nature of the insurgencies,
particUlarly 20 tl. century Insurgencies, are such that they are long-term affairs. I think it's also
generally understood that the military is ene. but not THE, way to defeat an insurgency, So this is
a very, so this has to be a multi-faceled approach.
I thinK clearly from the U.S. military, the focus Is Increasingly on helping the Iraqis defeat this
insurgency themselves. And that is becoming increasingly Ihe focus of our efforts. And continua lIy
the commanders on the scene, General Casey and certainly General Abizaid from a theater
perspective, are constantly evaluating the forces that are present, the operational concepts, the
tactics that are employed to defeat the insvrgency. .
Sol. I think there Is - clearly, everybody wants to defeat the insurgency as qUickly as can
possibly be done. But there is a reality: Defeating an insurgency can be a long-term affair..
There's no timeline. It's help the Iraqis defeat the insurgents.
Ken Allard: Where the rubber hits the road is When we have to rotate troops in of course. Now is
the percentage of Reservists to Active troops about the same in this next rotation as it has been
in the current one - about 40 percent or 507
BG Hllm: It actually is done a little bit. In the cyclical nature of things, this past rotation - this
current rotation is fairly high in Reserve component participation. The next rotation, while not all
the decisions have been made, is likely to be a little bit Jess, but not so much less that it will be
overwhelmingly noticeable. .'. / .
The key, again, is not so much IS it Active. is

it Reserve, but is it right? And isit the right mix of
forces to meet the commanders' requirements in theater? .
Mr. Di Rita: And Ken, it's Larry. You k.now, one of things the commanders are trying to balance,
as well, is the understandable sense that they have· or that, you k.now. that the Iraqis have I
should say that, you know, the insurgents don't have many - they have increasing - they have
fewer and fewer claims that anybody in Iraq sees as credible, because there's now a government
there and people feel - generally speaking - supportive of the government and supportive of the
process.
But the only place where the insurgents can claim any solidarity with general public perception is
on the desire - entirely understandable - that Coalition forces leave Iraq. And so the balancing
act that our guys -- that our commanders have is to not have so many Coalition forces to have too
high a presence, but keep it at a sufficient level to be able to help make sure these Iraqi Security
Forces can actually succeed.
So there's _. I would say there's built-in downward pressure on the siZe of U.S. forces there,
recognizing that it's still going to be a task to( some period of time to probably provide most of
the, you know, real heavy lifting until the security forces themselves can wor!< more freely around .
the country in large formation type activity.
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So, It's a tough balancing act. But it's something very much on the commanders' mind is that ••
we don't - they're not asking for more fOrces on that basis, because it's in part they know that
there's very little credibility that this insurgency has other than the widespread feel that it would be
nice at some point for Coalition forces to leave that country.
Chuck Nash; General. Chuck Nash, Fox News. Got a question about·· you mentioned the forces
going over. and making sure they're the right forces. The issue comes down to what we see a lot
in the media which is, a recent article that said that we've lost, either total loss or bad enough that
we had to ship them back to the States, 80 main battle tanks. We've got Strykers running around
up north; the Army is looking at a fairly sizable investment in a th ing called FCS (Future Combat
Systems) we're told a family of 1a lightly armored vehicles. And we're still getting people whacked
on the road to the airport,
Would you just give me your thoughts on where this a1l goes, and are the lessons that we're
learning about armor in Iraq real world? Are those lessons getting picked up and used in the
Pentagon? Or are we still sort of keeping the power point slides that we're (were?) in the process
still moving?
BG Ham: Wen, I think it's clearly the case that the joint Services, end certaInly all the individual
Services are adaptive and learning organization5. There's been considerable effort trying to learn
everything that we can from the ongoing operations. It's also fair to say that the enemy Is learning
and adapting. And clearly they adapt their tactics, techniques and ~rocedures as well. So this
remains a very, very dangerous, a dangerous area,
My personal experience in the north is that I think we have done a pretty good job of Iearn;ng
from the past two years of operations inside Iraq, and are taking the necessary precautions. [ .
think the Services are making the good material development decisions to counter this threat. But
it is a very, very difficult environment, and remains a dangerous environment. So, I mean 1guess
I would just leave it at that, to say we are learning. I am pretty confident that we are moving
ahead and taKing the lessons learned both from a material (materiel?) side and from a tactk:al
employment s"de to do the best that we can.
Again, none Of that will ever eliminate the risk entirely; it remains a dangerous place.
Chuck Nash: Thank you.
Col. Gordon Cucullu: General, this is Gordon Cucullu: Back to the 155.000 Iraqis that you
mentioned. It seems like that in the past few months we've seen deliberately - that the insurgents
have deliberately targeted the recruiting process. Are we still seeing decent people coming out In
proper numbers to fill the security slots, both the paramilitary and the active duty military on the
Iraqi side?
BG: Recruiting does remain strong for both the police forces within the Iraqi Ministry of Interior
and for the army within the Ministry of Defense. And I think that's a very positive sign. I think
you've seen in recent weeks a specifIC outreach to the Sunni Arab popUlation of Iraq by th'e Iraqi
Transitional Government as it's starting to form, and I think that's a great, a great indicator as
well.
It is an interesting phenomena, to watch the - as Iraqi Security Forces have been attacked in the
past •• again I'll speak from my personal experience having seen that, was very worried about the
potential negative effect that would have, and it never materialized. Amazing, initially amazingly to
me after one of those att~cks, the next day there would be, again. many more young Iraqis show
up at the recruiting stations ihan there were positions to accommodate them. So I think that
bodes well for the country and bodes wen for the security forces,
Gordon x: Yes, Ithinkthat's good news. Thank you.
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BG Ham: OK, 'guess Mr. Oi Rita. I'll turn it back to you, sir.
Mr. Di Rita: I don't have anything mOre. I appreciate you guys carving out a little time for us.
Ms. Barber: Thanks for your time, and we'll be in touch.
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you're a doll! thanks so much. sorry 10 do that to you...
yes, send away... could you add ruff to the distro? thanks.
will send the participant's Jist as soon as i get it. i think you mean colonel gordon cucullu?
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To: (PlttirW/;iX?;H CIV, OASo-PA
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1. I have the tape a.nd have transcribed It.
2. Do you mind if I send copies to CD~m?t.~!;Hi!i\;0~;i;;;!jj>1 LTes;. and Mr. Whitman?
3. Can yOl,J shoot me the participants? I missed Gordon's name.
4. I'll clean up Allison's office for you. I know you're swamped.
Thanks much.
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To: 'CDR,OCJCS/PA
Cc: Barber, Allison, elV, OASD-PA; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD·PA: OJ Rita. Larry, CIV, 050
OASD-PA; Rhynedance, George, COL, OASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Whitman,
Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
Subject: military analysts call today
good morning,
here is the mosl updated list (as of9:40 a,m,) of those who will be on the call this morning. there is still the possibility that more will
join who have not rsvp'd. thanks~~%~)'k'i'i'l
Mr. Jed Babbin (USAF, JAG) (American Spectator)
'Dr. James Jay Carafano (LTC, USA, Retired)
Colonel Gordon Cucullu (USA, Retired)
Lieutenant Colonel Rick Francona (USAF, Retired) (MSNBC)
Colonel John Garrett (tentative) (USMC, Retired)
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Gentlemen,
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We invite you to participate in a conference call, TOMORROW, Apri/22, 200S/rom 10:30-11:00.
Participants in this conference call will be the Deputy Director, Regional Operations, J-3 Brigadier General
Ham. His biography is attached for your review. Topics to be discussed are current operations in Iraq. His
comments will be on background only.
Your hostforthis call will be Dallas Lawrence.
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slim pickins....
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here are the rsvp's tor tomorrow's call as of this evening:
Mr. Jed Babbin (USAF, JAG) (American Spectator)
Dr. James Jay Carafano . (LTC, USA, Retired)
Lieutenant Colonel Rick Francona (USAF, Retired) (MSNBC)
. Colonel John Garrett (tentative) (USMC, Retired)
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SUbject: military analysts
hi there
~m~~t:1 mentioned that general hamm would like to see our invitation list.. how about if
we give you the list of folks who
have rsvp'd by cob tomorrow. to include their previous military background... that will give you an indication of who will
be on the call.
one of the agreements we have with these folks is that we don't send out the list ...
work for you?
thanks
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United States Army
Brigadier General CARTER F. HAM
Deputy Director, Regional Operations, J-3
The Joint Staff
3000 Joint Staff Pentagon, Room: BD966
since March 2005
SOURCE Of COMMISSIONED SERVICE ROTC
MILITARY SCHOOLS ATTENDED

Infantry Officer Basic Course
Armor Officer Advanced Course
United States Naval Command and Staff College
Air War College
EDUCATIONAL DEGREES
John Carroll University - BA - Political Science
Naval War College - MA - National Security and Strategic Studie:;
FOREIGN LANGUAGE(S} None recorded
PROMOTIONS DATES OF APPOINTMENT
2LT 2 Jun 76
ILT 2 Jun 78
CPT I Aug 80
MAJ I Jun 87
LTC , Sep 92
COL 1 Apr 98
BG I Oct 03
MAJOR DUTY ASSIGNMENTS
FROM TO ASSIGNMENT
Jun 76 Aug 76 Training Officer, II Reserve Officer Training Corps Region, with duty at
4th Basic Combat Training Brigade, Fort Knox, Kentucky
May 77 Jan 78 Redeye Section Leader, Combat Support Company, Ist Battalion, 509th
Infantry (Airborne Combat Team), United States Army Europe. Italy
Jan 78 Dec 79 Rifle Plntoon Leader, later Executive Officer, A Company, later S-3 (Air).
later S·I (Personnel), 2d Battalion, 22d Infantry, 4th Infantry Division, V
Corps, United States Army Europe, Gennany
Dec 79 Jun 81 Commander, C Company, later S-3 (Operations), 2d Battalion, 22d
Infantry, 8th Infantry Division, United States Anny Europe, Germany
Jul81 Feb 82 Student, Armor Officer Advanced Course, Fort Knox, Kentucky _
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Brigadier General CARTER F. HAM
Feb 82 Feb 84 Lima Area Commander, Columbus District Recruiting Command,

Columbus, Ohio
Mar84 Sep 84 Detachment Commander, Forward Military Support Element, 1984
Summer Olympics, Los Angeles, California
Sep84 Aug 86 Assistant Inspector General, National Training Center, Fort Irwin,
California
Aug 86 Feb 87 S-3 (Air), 6th Battalion (Mechanized),31 st Infantry, National Training
Center, Fort Irwin, Califomia
Feb 87 May 89 S-3 (Operations), later Ex.ecutive Officer, I st Battalion (Mechanized), 52d
Infantry, National Training Center, Fort Irwin, California
Aug 89 Jun 90 Student, Naval Command and Staff College, Newport, Rhode Island
Jun 90 May 93 Light Infantry Branch Chief, later Chief. Doctrine Division, later Brigade
Senior Advisor to Saudi Arabian National Guard and OPERATION
DESERT STORM, Saudi Arabia, later Executive Officer, United States
Army Infantry School, Fort Benning, Georgia
Commander, 15t Battalion, 6th Infantry, 3d Infantry Division, United
States Army Europe and Seventh Army, Germany and OPERAnON
ABLE SENTRY, Macedonia
Senior Task Force Observer/Controller, Operations Group, Combat
Maneuver Training Center, United States Army Europe and Seventh
Army, Germany
Student, United States Air War College, Maxwell Air Force Base,
Alabama
Assistant Chief of Staff, G-3 (Operations), later Chief of Staff, I st Infantry
Division, United States Army Europe and Seventh Army, Germany
Commander, Infantry Training Support Brigade (29th Infantry Regiment).
United States Army Infantry School, Fort Benning, Georgia
Deputy Director, J~8, United States Central Command, MacDiJI Air Force
Base, Florida
Deputy Commanding General for Training and Readiness, I Corps and
Fort Lewis, Fort Lewis, Washington to include duty as Commander, Multi
National Brigade Northwest, OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM, [raq
Deputy Director for Regional Operations, Operations Directorate, Joint
Staff, Pentagon, Washington. D.C
SUMMARY OF JOYNT ASSIGNMENTS Dates Grade

Deputy Director, J-8, United States Central Command, Jul 01 - Aug 03 Colonel
MacDill Air Force Base, Florida
Deputy Director, Regional Operations, J·3. The Joint· Mar 05 - Present Brigadier General
Staff, Washington, DC
US DECORATIQNS AND BADGES

Defense Superior Service Medal (with Oak Leaf Cluster)
Legion of Merit (with Oak Leaf Cluster)
Bronze Star Medal
Meritorious Service Medal (with 5 Oak Leaf Clusters)
Joint Service Commendation Medal
Army Commendation Medal (with 2 Oak Leaf Clusters)
Army Achievement Medal (with 2 Oak Leaf Clusters)
Expert Infantryman Badge
Parachutist Badge
Ranger Tab As of 11 April 2008
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Tongsun Redux
By Jed Babbin
Published 4/18/2005 12:07: 13 AM
For news junkies, this will be a hectic week. By its end, Catholics may 11ave a new
pope, we may have a new UN ambassador, and both Kofi and his bestest buddy
Jacques may suffer nervous breakdowns. Things are looking up because, while
Volcker fiddles, the FBI and the U.S. Attorney for the SOIJthern District of New York
are burning bad guys. Now allwe need to find out are the names of Cooperating
Witnesses One and Two, and the high-ranking UN officials whom they bribed for
Saddam.
CW1 and CW2 may be the first people who have earned the Presidential Medal of
Freedom as a result of plea bargains keeping them out of jail. (CW1 has already
pled guilty to being an unregistered agent of the Saddam government and is
cooperating with U,S. investigators.) They are unindicted co-conspirators -- credited
with helping Saddam bribe the UN into setting up the Oil-for-Food-for-Bribes-for
Weapons scam -- in the indictment of one of our all-time faves, Tongsun Park of
Koreagate infamy. .
For those joining us since 1976, Mr. Park was indicted back then on 36 counts of
bribery, influence peddling, and other usual business on Capitol HilL The charges
were eventually dropped after he testHied in Congressional hearings about his
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involvement with dozens of Congressmen, only three of whom were later

reprimanded by the House. (Think of this the next time you hear the caterwauling
about Tom Delay.)
Just because Saddam is evil doesn't mean he's·a dummy. He did what any good
manager woul~ do if he wanted to pay bribes: he hired an expert. According to the
March 21 indictment of Mr. Park unsealed last week, and the affidavit stating it
signed by FBI special agent Nicholas Panagakos, Saddam paid bribes to and
through Park to Cooperating Witnesses One and Two and to at least two high
ranking UN officials in order to get the UN to.create the Oil-far-Food program by
Security Council in 1996. Just who were they? Not Benon Sevan, who wasn't yet
chosen to run the Oil-for-Food scam. There would have been no reason to bribe
him before he was chosen to run the scam. Was Annan himself bribed? How about
Iqbal Riza, his chief of staff who later ordered the shredding of UN documents for
the 1996-1999 period, when the program was first created and run? Someday soon,
we should know.
The bribes apparently continued until 2003 (when Tommy Franks had something to
say about Saddam's future plans) to make sure that the program was extended
beyond its original expiration date. The indictment says that Park "invested in a
company owned by an immediate family member of a high-ranking UN official
money paid to him from the Government of Iraq in connection" with the bribe
agreement. Park, having agreed to bribe the UN officials for Saddam, got at least
$2 million for himself and distributed millions in bribes, both in cash and in oil
vouchers entitling the UN officials to collect more millions from the sale of the
vouchers. So how does Kof; respond to the new revelations? By trying to pass the
blame to President Bush and Prime Minister Blair, of course.
Last week the sagging Annan said, "The bulk of the money that Saddam made
came out of smuggling outside the oil-for-food program, and it was on the American
and British watch." Annan added, "Possibly they were the ones who knew exactly
what was going on, and that the countries themselves decided to close their eyes to
smuggling to Turkey and Jordan because they were allies." Of course, nothing the
UN did was wrong.
If Kofi's week weren't sour enough, Secretary of State Condi Rice added to his
agony by saying, tilt is no secret to anyone that the United Nations cannot survive
as a vital force in international politics if it doesn't reform." Note to Kofi: reform or
die. It's a great disappointment that we didn't see the appropriate headline in the
New York Daily News, in 64-point type, saying: "Condi to UN: Drop Dead."
Something to look forward to. Almost as much as the Bolton confirmation, which
may come later this week..
THE lEFTIES HAVE MANAGED to delay, but not stop, the nomination of John
Bolton to the UN ambassador's post. Thankfully, and my apologies to Sen. Hagel,
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even he and Sen. Lincoln Chafee seem to be standing with Bolton. If the Dems
canrt get either of them to vote against Bolton, or at least abstain, Bolton's
nomination should be reported out of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee early
this week. On the floor, it will pass easily. For Kofi and the rest of the Turtle Bay,
crime family, it will be as much fun as passing a kidney stone. Meanwhile back at Ie
domaine, Jacques [s apparently sinking in the congenital contrariness of his own
countrymen.
Ah, how Ie ver turns. ..lust a year ago, it was a sure bet that France -- one of the
chief proponents of the European Union ~- would easily pass a referendum on the
EU constitution. Now, as the May 29 referendum approaches, polls show the
French ready to reject it. That led President Chirac to the most desperate measure.
Calculating correctly that the worst thing a Frenchman could think to do was to help
Uncle Sam, Chirac said that a "no" vote would weaken the EU and benefit the
United States. Chirac, in a carefully scripted lItown hall" session with young French
voters, issued that dire warning last Thursday, with little or no effect. The French
may be content with the status quo which, as the Gipper once said, is Latin for "the
mess we're in."
Whether the French vote the EU constitution down remains to be seen. Ifs unlikely
that they will reject it because without the EU agriculture subsidy, much of French
farming will end. As John Hulsman of the Heritag,e Foundation once told me, the EU
agricultural subsidy is "really a sop from Germany to pay French farmers to sit
around, play boule, and do nothing." The French may just be revolting against ten
years of Chiracism or just emoting for the press. Once they get enough attention
from the rest of Europe, they may pass the EU constitu,tion to keep their subsidies.
You see, that's what it's all about. Like Oil-far-Food, the EU is an economic scam.
The French have too much to lose if they reject it.' And money is what theire all
about. Not everyone in the world is concerned solely with money. From U.S.
European Command and the Joint Staff comes word of new strides in building the
Iraq Coalition.
From a kinda sorta reliable Navy source comes this bulletin from the Joint Staff
quoting one of its lieutenant colonels: "Things are looking up for us here. Papua
New Guinea is thinking of offering two platoons: one of infantry (headhunters) and
one of engineers (hut builders). They want to eat any bad Iraqis they kill. We've got·
no issues with that, but State is being anal about it." Dr. Rice reportedly wants to
transform the State Departmentas Mr. Rumsfeld is doing with the Pentagon. She
apparently has a long, hard road ahead.
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roger --Already requested ...
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Let's make sure we tape it. Thanks
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Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 '1:50 PM
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Subject: Newshour Pr09ram DADT
Subject: Newshour Program DADT
Sir: Just wanted to advise that the News hour may run a DADT piece this evening .... we
declined their invitation of an on camera earlier as you know we provided our military analyst
Bob McGinnis .....background information and most recent data ----he will unofficially represent
DoD's perspective and carry our message LTe Richard
LTC Joe RiChard, USA
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Personnel and ~eaeln~$j Desk
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SUbject: Another Good Article (Babbin)
Hello All: In Case You Missed this....
Jed has it right!!!
EXCLUSIVE: Women in Combat?

Date: Saturday, March 19 @21:17:46 CST
Topic: FSM FEATURE
.By Jed Babbin
Did you know that women in our armed forces are increasingly being pushed into a combat role? Find out why
and how this will affect our troops - in this EXCLUSIVE piece from FSM contributing editor Jed Babbin!
Women in Combat?
Jed Babbin
Everyone has opinions about the war, and no one seems shy about expressing them. Whether it's about Iraq, al
Queda, the military budget or anything else, we all have something to say. And that's a good thing, because
American democracy doesn't function without open and honest debate. Social security used to be the "third rail"
of American politics. No one dared to touch it because to do so was to commit political suicide. Now, the same
can be said of the question of women in combat.
Because politicians and too many military leaders are afraid to talk about it, the question is being decided by
default in the incrementalism of the bureaucracy. Anny bureaucrats are deciding the issue in small chunks,
moving women into combat units by making small changes in obscure policies. These bureaucratic actions must'
be subjected to the light and heat of politics.
The President has said, "No women in combat," US law, Defense Department policy and everything else the
Army is supposed to obey says that women should not serve in infantry units, in special operations, and in the
other ground combat forces whose business is killing people and breaking things. Small, slow changes have
for years - allowed women to fly Air Force and Navy combat aircraft, fly Army helos in combat, and serve on
most Navy combat ships. Every Annyunit - infantry, armor, support, reconnaissance, etc. - has a "gender code"
number. The gender codes are supposed to separate those non-combatant units that women can be assigned to
from the combat anns. Now, the Anny is changing its operating doctrine to include women in more combat
units by manipulating the gender codes.
According to the Center for Military Readiness, and confirmed by a Defense Department source, the Army is
juggling unit gender codes to allow women to serve in combat arms such as multiple-launch rocket systems,
reconnaissance, and Stryker Brigade Combat Teams. The Annyapparently plans to assign women to these units
to raise the unit manning numbers to the requisite levels, but plans to withdraw the women if the units are
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engaging in combat. There are only two results that can obtain, and neither is good for the fighting strength of
the army.
First, if this is merely the accounting game it appears, the Anny is more in step with the UN than the President.
It's trying to increase the number of troops it needs by including troops that won't be there to fight. It's a fraud
on the rest of the soldiers who will have to fight short-handed when the women leave. Second, if the Anny is
violating the ban onWomen in combat arms, it's more than just an accounting scam. It's a knowing reduction in
the Army's combat capability. .
Feminists argue that it's discrimination against women to keep them out of combat units because they aren't as
likely to be promoted without combat experience. The feminists' argument is premised on fact: there is
favoritism in the military promotion system toward those who have served in combat. And there must be
because the "glass ceiling" they complain about is smeared with blood. Lessons learned on the battlefield are
paid for with soldiers' lives, and as many millennia of war have taught us, those lessons are best applied by
military commanders who have learned them first-hand. .
The commanders' job is to apply those lessons to win the war inthe shortest amount of time by inflicting the
greatest damage on the enemy in the shortest period of time. Their principal tool is the people who serve in
combat arms. To win battles, the combat arms must be peopled only by those who can perfonn as well as every
other under the stresses of combat. And very few women can qualify under the standards for combat.
For those who still doubt that, the 2002 British Ministry of Defence study, "Women in the Armed Forces,"
should settle the matter. It begins with a foundational truth: "Combat effectiveness is the ability of a unit... to
carry out its mission ... The cohesion of a unit is a vital factor in its combat effectiveness." The study finds that
only 1% of women can meet the physical standards men do, that they are less aggressive and more prone to
inj ury than men, and that - in the only example where the combat effectiveness of women is measurable, the
Israeli army in 1947-48 -- "Israeli morale suffered disproportionately when a female soldier was killed or
wounded." ]n short, unit cohesion is reduced significantly by including women in combat anns because the vast
majority can't meet the standards men do, and because of the effect on the unit when a woman becomes a
casualty. Just what will the effect of the Army'S bureaucratic maneuvering be?
A very wise man, the late Capt. H.H. Babbin, USMCR, had words of wisdom for me as my commissioning date
approached more than three decades ago. He said that I'd soon be a well-educated and highly-trained junior
officer. Which, he said, meant I'd be essentially useless. His advice was to find someone with a lot of stripes on
his sleeve and do what he said if I wanted to do my job well live to tell about it. What was good advice for me
then is good advice for the Army now. Retired Marine Corps Gunnery Sergeant Jessie Duff was one of those
bestriped persons. Having served more than 20 years in the Marines, Duff has some strong opinions about
women in combat.
Duff told me that it's not a question of physical fitness. That women have to meet different physical fitness tests
in the military is, to Duff, of no relevance to their fitness for combat service. Combat fitness is about the other
tests and standards (which include physical capabilities) that have to be met to qualify for combat duty.
I asked Duff about the Brit findings that 1% or so of women who can meet the standards for ground combat.
Duff said it's too few, and imposing such a small minority of women will create a lot of internal friction..
Women comprise about 6% of the Marines and, according to Duff, even that number can cause a lot of internal
friction. Being a woman - a very attractive one at that - Duff is a pretty good judge of it.
Duff said that if she were talking with the President privately, she'd urge him to stay the course and not allow
women - even those who can meet the standards for ground combat - into combat units. "For the women who
can meet the standards, I'm not going to say' go for it' because ... it's going to be such a small
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number ... [because it's] going to cause disruption and morale and cohesion issues. We're naIve if we think
otherwise."
. To Gunny Duff, the standards set for combat service are inviolable. If the Anny is allowing women who can't
meet those standards to serve in combat units, the Anny is degrading its combat capabilities. Unless enough
women could qualify to comprise at least 15-'20% of a unit's strength, she believes it would be highly disruptive
to unit cohesion and morale. Duff told me, "If the Anny's going to do this and allow people to go in[to combat
units Jjust to have this equality, they're forgetting what their mission is. Their mission is to win a stinking
war... "
We know - from history, from the Brit study, and from GUmlY Duff's advice - that women shouldn't be in
combat anns. Why, then, is the Anny playing games with unit gender codes and thereby threatening unit
cohesion? Is it more important to win battles orto give women a greater chance at promotion? All it's about,
like Gunny Duff said, is winning the stinking war.
Family Security Matters contributing editor Jed Bobbin is also a contributing editorfor The American
Spectator magazine and the author of Inside the Asylum: Why the UN and Old Europe are Worse than You
Think.
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Thanks for your assistance in supporting LtGen Smith on this recent visit.
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hi folks. here is the most recent list of the military analysts calling in this morning for our conference call. thanks.

Colonel Carl Kenneth Allard (USA, Re1ired)
.Lieutenant Colonel Robert l. Maginnis (USA, Retired)
Colonel Jeff McCausland, (USA. Retired)
Major General Paul E. Vallely, (USA, Retired)
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Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 10:23 AM
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Subject: wolfowilz
Ray, I had an idea ... (1 get one of those once in a while). You say
that Wol,fie is a nice guy and that those who know' him, like him.
would you be in a position to arrange an interview for me? and i
promise i would approach it with an open and honest mind. 1 will not
bad mouth him or show him in a negative light, try and portray what
you said, that if you get to know him, you see a different image of
the man. it would be his chance to show his "other" face to the
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Subject: DoD Update - Iraq Update
Attachments: TP 03-30-05 Iraq Update. doc
Allison:
I wrote some talking points off LI Gen Smith's call with the military analysts.
I gave them to LTC~R,JW:Ft1Ji<;lto proof. Usually he's real speedy but he'was crashing on something I think and said he
couldn't get to them until tomorrow. I said fine,
Here they are unedited - I know you're on the road tomorrow.
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Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 20055:15 PM
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To: Oi Rita, Larry, CIV, OSO-OASD-PA
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Got it .- I'll put something together for you to review.
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Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:49 AM
To: Whitman, Bryan, SES, QASD-PA
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Bryan-
Below is the guts of a snowflake seedef sent out to Cambone and the heads of defense intelligence agencies (nro, dia,
nsa, etc.)
Let's uSe it as the basis for a draft release that we could put out tomorrow after the silberman report is received by poluS
from the commissioners.
Pull something together and let me see a draft. I'd like to have a draft that I have already reviev.oed for the seeders 3:00
prep today. Tnx..
Please coordinate your responses through Steve Cambone.
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Call went well -- the only news maybe that he hinted that they are seeing more foreign
fighters than before.
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hi folks. here is the most recent list of the military analysts calling in this morning for our conference call. thanks. tj

OSD PlIblic Affairs

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Subject: AmerIcan Spectator (Babbin)
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Subject: RE: Military analyst on O'Reilly factor
sir,
dallas wanted me to make ~hanges to the original doc hIe of something seedef expressly wanted... then give to allison so she ean!:ee
what we're offering before we offer it. but allison has asked me for something else a little more pressing. i will get the new outreach
plan to ab by cob today. good enough? :)
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where is the info i requested, ma'am?
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Subject: Military analyst on O'Reilly factor
Jed Babbin will be on fox newS tonight around 8:30 talking about detainee deaths. Fyi. thanks~0~~!1';i}'j
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What about Bill O'Reilly?
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From: Barber, Allison, elV, OASD-PA [allison. barber
Sent: Wednesday, March 16,20057:27 PM
To: Whitman, Bryan. SES, OASD-PA; Barber, Allison, elV, OASD-PA; Dj Rita, Larry, elV, 08D
OASD-PA
Subject: RE: secdef 10 min
yikes 0 friday .. that is a busy schedule .. maybe we can check in the morning to see if we
can squeeze a few minutes on the schedule or try and build it in on the back side of the
town hall friday. thanks ab
From: Whitman, Bryan, SES. OASD-PA [mailto:Bryan.Whitrna
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 5:26 PM
To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Di Rita, Larry, Cry. OSD-OASD-PA
Subject: RE: secdef 10 min
I think it would be great; however this is how the hour is currently filled.
That with S minutes to walk to and from the studio.
3:20 - 3:30 NBC News, Jim Miklaszewski

3:35 - 3:45 WSMV - Nashville (NBC affiliate)
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Sent: wednesday, March 16. 2005 3:36 PM
To: Whitman, Bryan, crv, OASD-PA
Co: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
Subject: FW: secdef 10 min
hi there
do you think we could squeeze 10 min for secdef to answer a few questions from military
analysts? i know we are trying to get a lot out of the block of time .. what do you think?
thanks
ab
From: ni Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD~01\SD-PA [mailto:larry.dirit
Sent: Wednesday, March 16. 2005 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: seedef 10 min
Probably. Work with bryam so that our hour is used up smartly

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From: Barber, Allison, elV,
OASD-PA <allison.b
To: Di Rita Larry (E-mail) <larry.dirita
Sent: Wed Mar 16 15:34:30 2005
Subject: seedef 10 min
hi there
any chance we can get secdef to do a 10 min call with military analysts tomorrow after his
interViews? just a few questions on the 2 year anniversary? it is another crazy idea but i
think it would be powerful since they will all be on tv this weekend.
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From: Di Rita, Larry, elV, OSD-OASD-PA
To: Whitman. Bryan, SES, OASD-PA: 'Dan Senor'
Subject: RE:
Good add1c1ons.
Senor, if this doesn't make you a star we're going to stop trying!!
To: 'Dan Senor"
Cc: Di Rita, Larry, crv, OSD-OASD-PA
Subject: RE:
With Italy's announcement to withdraw troops starting in December, I would also offer the
following:
--Ne appreciate Italy's demonstrated support for the coalition and the Iraqi people.
--Italy has been and continues to be a steadfast ally in the Global War Against Terror and
we value all their contributions in support democracy and liberty
The coali tion
--Coalition support is more than having troops in Iraq

--More than 30 countries are key members of the coalition team providing troops, political
backing to the coalition, training opportunities, supplies and financial support to help
rebuild the country
--The coalition is supporting all Iraqi efforts to establish the rule of law, promote
justice and improve quality of life
~-27 countries with forces in Iraq (in addition to US)

From: Oi Rita, Larry, Cry, OSD-OASD-PA
Sent: Wednesday,
TO: 'Dan senor'; Di Rica, Larry, crY, OSD-OASD-PA; Whicman. Bryan,
SES, OASD-PA
Subject: RE:
1. some allies have said repeatedly that they will assess as the Iraqi security forces
get more capable. The U.S. is doing the same thing.
2. Once the U.S. recedes back to its pre-election level of about 138,000 (17 brigades)
Iraqi security forces themselves constitute the largest single component of che coalition,
and that is goo.
2. Even so, there are upwards of two dozen countries wich troop commitments in Iraq.
2. Every country in NATO has recently pledged to make some kind of commitment -- money,
trainers, off-shore training, etc .- co the NATO training mission in Iraq.
3. General Casey, General Abizaid, on up regularly consult with other countries that are
looking for ways they may be helpful.
4. the coalition will continue to shift, but that is expected as individual countries
make their own decisions.
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Hey there,
Going on Fox & Friends tomorrow morn at B:20 ... will definitely get questions about troop
withdrawal from coalition allies.
Any talkers on it beyond what Scott said below? If not, I can get by. Otherwise, please
shoot me anything you've got.
Thanks!
-Dan
Q Scott, what is your understanding of Italy'S position on withdrawing troops from Iraq?
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, actually, last week prime Minister Berlusconi spoke to, I believe,
the Italian Senat.e and addressed this issue. He said that, as Iraqis are able to assume
more responsibility, we will work in agreement with our allies and start to withdraw some
of our forces. And that was something he said, I believe it was just about a week ago -
last Wednesday, I think.
Q But has this corne to a head. then, today?
MR. McCLELLAN: I saw the comments he made today and I think they were very similar to the
comments he made last week.
o What does this do to our overall troop strength there? And is it hurting our effort, in
general, in
MR. McCLELLAN: I don't think so, because if you look at what he said last week and what he
said again today, this will be based on the ability and capability of Iraqi forces and the
Iraqi government to be able to assume more responsibility, and that he will work in
agreement with allies in the region before taking those steps. And we certainly appreciate
the contributions of the Italians. They have eerved and sacrificed alongside Iraqis and
alongside other coalition forces.
Our focus remains on making sure that the Iraqi forces are fUlly trained and equipped and
ready to assume mo.e responsibility for their future, and that's where our focus will
remain. so that eventually our troops will be able to return nome with honor.
Q How much of this reflects the tension between the United States and Italy over the
shooting incident?
MR. McCLELLAN: I'm not mure that I'd make a connection there. I don't view it the same
way.
Q Is there any connection?
MR. McCLELLAN: Not that I'm aware of.

Q So no connection at all?
MR. McCLELLAN; Not that I ~- I haven't heard any comment to that effect from Italian
officials.
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Sent: M~ndaY ~ar~b ~f' 200511:10 PM
To: ~~l~iiC;iC{%;0i!X)D;rM( CIV, OASD-PA
SUb;ect: FW: Africa Center Speaking Invitation
Please make contact with him -- make no promises (I agreed to find someone from the
office) not necessarily me.
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African Military Leaders" course. Thank you for your willingness to be a part of the 17
May roundtable on US defense policy in Africa.
If you would please provide me with your contact information, inclUding phone and fax
number, as well as mailing address I will have a tormal invitation sent out to you.
Additional information on the topic and roundtable format will also follow as we get
closer to the start ot the course.
Thank you again for your support of this course.
Regards,
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Sent: Monday, March 14,200512:41 PM
To: Barber, Allison, elV, OASD·PA
Subject: Feith wants two speeches sent to list
Attachments: Harvard Speech Final.pdf; CFR Speech Final.pdf
Allison:
Doug Feith wants two of his recent speeches sent out to some of our lists.
Both of these are posted on our speech web site on defenselink.

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.~•.- : I shared wlth Ll COl [~/~~Xt;;(k(lthe various types of lists we have. He wants it sent to tM mlHtary analysts, the "formers" type
list [this is the herny krssingers, etc), and the defense experts (think tankers).
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The Harvard speech Is THiCK (quotes John Stuart Mill and Edmund Burke). The CFR speech is more readable, The
people on these lists might actual!y read these (too much for Main Street).
Is thls ok with you to send to these lists?
He's requested this once before, Last summer I think he wanted an article sent out in which the secretary defended him,
etc, We did it.
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SubJect: feith Speeches
Hi again, thesl" are thl" two speeches Mr Feith would like to be sent out under DiRita's signature to your three databases
(defense leaders, military analysts, and defense experts). Appreciatl" it! Pleas let me know final outcome so [can feed the
info back to Mr Feith--thanks! .
Words for DiRita, "....one of the most important elements of the President's and SecDef's foreign policy/strategy is the
promotion of democratic institutions around the world. USD(P) Doug Feith just gave two speeches that deal with this
issue, among others, and [ commend them to your attention...."
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From: Rhynedance, George, COL, OASD-PA
To: Barber, Allison, Cry, OASD-PA
SUbject: Fw: Babbin (New York Post)
Can you make this happen on Monday?

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Sent: Fri Mar 11 07:28:58 2005
Subject: Fw: Babbin (New York Post)
George, can you please make sure the bird staff runs this in MONDAY'S ebird? Thanks.
From:
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Sent: Fr~ Mar 11 07:06:53
Subject: Babbin (New York
TORTURE TRUTHS
By JED BABBIN
JUST how far were U.S. interrogators told they could go in questioning detainees in Iraq,
Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay? A new report by Vice Adm. Albert T. Church III, the former
navy inspector general. answers some questions pointedly, but raises many more.
The Defense Department has now done 11 investigations growing out of the Abu Ghraib
prisoner-abuse scandal, which hroke a year ago. Church testified to the Senate Armed
Services committee on the latest report Thursday. His task was to trace any connection
between the interrogation methods sanctioned by Defense to any abuses in Iraq, Afghanistan
and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
At the outset of the war, the president determined, entirely correctly, that suspected
terrorists and their ilk - such as the Taliban and later the so-called "Saddam Fedayeen"
weren't prisoners of war entitled to the protections afforded under the Geneva
Conventions. Since we attacked Afghanistan in October 2001, the left has been working
night and day to force a reversal of that decision. Its principal tool has become the
abuses at the Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad.
Critics focused the confirmation hearings for Alberto Gonzales as attorney general on
Justice Department and White House memos debating the definitions of torture. Ever since
the Abu Ghraib scandal broke, others have blamed Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and the
senior military leadership for creating an atmosphere in which prisoner abuse was, if not
specifically permitted, at least inevitable. .
The Church report proves those assertions wrong. It says, "We found, without exception,
that the DoD and senior military commanders responsible for the formulation of
interrogation policy evidenced the intent to treat detainees humanely, wbich is
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fundamentally inconsistent with the notion that such oi'ficials or commanders ever accepted
that detainee abuse would be permissible " [and] it is clear that none of the pictured
abuses at Abu Ghraib bear any resemblance to approved policies at any level. in any
theater .•
B~t what ~bout Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay? weren't the interrogators just turned
loose? In fact, no. Church wrote. "We found no link between approved interrogation
techniques and detainee abuse."
Church found that most of the abuse cases didn't even come out of interrogations. "Of the
70 cases of . . . substantiated abuse, only 20 of these cases, or less than one-third,
could be considered 'interrogation-related.' " The rest occurred in situations such as at
the "point of capture" - where soldiers who've captured people they believed had caused
the deaths or wounding of their pals got emotionally carried away.
According to Church, the incidence of abuse is not unique to any of the services, to
active vs. reserve soldiers or other factors. (Thus, he apparently disagrees with the
earlier Taguba report on Abu Ghraib, which found the reservist military police
inadequately trained for detainee operations in the environment they encountered.)
Every true interrogator's goal is to get actionable intelligence· reliable information
that's translatable into offensive or defensive action. To get it, we must both abjure
torture and reject the tide of political correctness that threatens to drown our
interrogators. .
Interrogation-related abuse is quite rare, the report notes: "At [Guantanamo Bay), where
there have been over 24,000 interrogation sessions . . . there are only three cases of .
. substantiated abuse. all consisting of minor assaults in which [military intelligence]
interrogators exceeded the bounds of approved interrogation policy."
But those bounds, as Church's report explains, remain blurry because "no universally
accepted definitions of 'torture' or 'abuse' exist." All there is - in the Geneva
Conventions, U.S. and international law - is the concept that detainees must be treated
"humanely. "
As the Church report shows, the terrorists are trained in our interrogation methods and
how to resist them. When we use more aggressive techniques - as we did in the case of two
"high-value" detainees at Guantanamo who resisted standard interrogation for months - the
new techniques "successfully neutralized the two detainees' resistance training and
yielded valuable intelligence.
church said in a conference call Wednesday that our interrogators are now "clamped up"
declining to push interrogations as hard as they legally and morally can and should for
fear of the next investigation that will come along.
We are punishing innovative interrogators, such as the two women at Guantanamo Bay, "who,
on their own initiative, touched and spoke to detainees in a sexually-suggestive manner in
order to incur stress based on the detainees' religious beliefs." Why should we punish
those women? Why should we respect terrorists' religious beliefs when we - and a growing
number of their co-religionists - say they are perverting their religion by their
terrorism?
The most impor~ant finding Church makes is a negative one.: that there is no universal
definition of. torture or abuse. American and allied interrogators shouldn't have to work
in fear of prosecution under vague laws and treaties. So long as they do, they will remain
"clamped up" - less effective than they must be if we are to get the actionable
intelligence we need to save lives.
We have a clear definition of "torture" in U.S. law. Congress should - as clearly as
possible, without trying to specify every possible circumstance - act quickly to specify
what "abuse" means.
Jed Babbin is a former deputy undersecretary of defense, a contributing editor with
familysecuritymatters.com and author of "Inside the Asylum: Why the U.N. and Old Europe
Are Worse Than You Think."
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From: Whttman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
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To:
Subject:
Follow Up Flag: Follow up

Flag Status: Red
Thanks for the update-always happy to hear from you.
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To: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA <Bryan.Whitma
Sent: Sun Mar 13 10:04:04 2005
Subject: RE: Dan Senor on life in sovereign Iraq
Bryan, sir ... some of the passages did sound familiar. Pumped it out to senior (senor
perhaps) leadership here to very good reviews. Thank you for helping us out over here.
We haven't had a lot of bounce on the injured detainee release ... which is what we had
hoped for. However, as things go, it could be wrapped into a broader story as we near
completion of the investigation into the Sgrena incident. Bulgarian story has also played
pretty heavily over here ... I've been told when the Bulgarian official came to visit with
MNC-I officials, he was provided a copy of a preliminary report ... and as we all
know ... once you hand paper out expect ink on it to follow. The Iraqi gov't (three
ministries) have denied the existence of the 39 headless bodies and say the resulting
stories in the Western press were successful attempts by someone to specifically
"misinform" (I read this as deceive) the Western press. The story didn't play heavily in
the Iraqi media which leads me to believe Iraqi and other pan~Arabic newspaper/television
edit.ors "smelled" something foul in t.he reports. Int.eresting that this came from a non
verifiable source, but that so many were willing to pic~ the story up. We're now
preparing for the seating of the Transitional National Assembly and lots of work being
done on security. I'll be at the Convention Center throughout the day as the senior
STRATCOM rep. They don't want a lot of •uniforms " around during this event ... Which is
very understandable. That's about it for now. Anything you 'need, just drop me a line.
Will minimize my email to you so I don't fill up your already burgeoning email box ... only
the stuff I believe you should know in short order. Keep smiling my friend. More to .
come.
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Deputy Director for Public Affairs
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SUbject: Re: Dan Senor on life in sovereign Iraq
Recognize any of the passages? You may not realize it but you coordinate on aspecta of
this last· week: -). Nice job!
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Senor on life in sovereign Iraq
Ladies & Gentlemen: Not a bad story from Dan Senor for your SA~
Colonel. USAF
Deputy Director for Public Affairs

Deputy Chief of staff. Strategic communications
Multi-National Force-Iraq
The Weekly standard
Meanwhile, Back in Baghdad

From the March 21, 2005 issue: Life in sovereign Iraq.
by Dan Senor
03/21/2005, Volume 010, Issue 25
Baghdad
THE RECENT SUICIDE BOMBING in the southern Iraqi city of Al Hilla was, sadly, nothing new.
Watching the news here with Iraqi friends, I thought I knew what would happen nex~, since
it had happened often enough before I left Iraq eight months ago. when the United states
handed over sovereignty to an Iraqi interim government. Then, the Iraqis standing around
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the bank of televisions in our offices would have turned to. me, the representative
American, asking why we could not get security under control.
This time, however, the same Iraqi friends ignored me and instead participated in a
protest: the first Iraqi-organized mass public protest, some 2,000 strong, in the 23
months since the fall of Saddam' 5 regime. "The Americans" were no longer an address for
frustration or salvation. Welcome to postelection Iraq.
And there are many more barometers of a new Iraqi mood, even as tens of thousands of
foreign troops remain in the country and the brutal violence continues.
* Checkpoints and security--Last summer, most military checkpoints in Baghdad were manned
by American soldiers. Iraqis were the first to deplore this "humiliation." But every
checkpoint I've been through on this trip has been staffed by Iraqi soldiers.
Now American troops are increasinsly behind the scenes, there to help if things get dicey.
For most Iraqis. the cheCkpoint experience has become one of interface with their fellow
citizens in uniform--an enormous psychological and symbolic change. A senior Defense
Department official here discussed taking this process to the next step by employing
Iraqi-only military patrols in the major cities.
Last year, Iraq'S prime minister, deputy prime minister, and president were guarded by
U.S. Special Forces. When these politicians appeared on local television, a ring of
plainclothes Americans was often in the camera shot.
At that time, Prime Minister Allawi visited the scenes of suicide bombings to project a
strong "large and in charge" image. This effort was hampered by visuals of the tight
circle of Americans who were keeping him alive. Now Iraqis have been trained to do the
job--another important change.
As for the Iraqi security services, when I passed a recruiting facility in Baghdad, the
line went on as far as the eye could see. It looked like a suicide bombing waiting to
happen. But Iraqis have not been deterred. As the CENTCOM commander, General Abizaid, put
it, "Each time an Iraqi soldier is killed, another steps up to take his place. And since
the handover of sovereignty, more Iraqis have died in the line of duty in Iraq than
Americans. "
When I repeated this story to a Western reporter, he cynically responded:
"well that just shows you how desperate they are for jobs." Perhaps. But then how does one
explain more than a million Iraqis who risked their lives, not for a job, but to vote?
As for Iraqi security performance, I asked U.S. troops in Baghdad for feedback. Some was
glowing, some restrained, but none disparaging. At a minimum, there was real respect qn
the part our troops for Iraqis risking their lives for their own country. And while
everyone agrees that Iraqi forces still have a way to go, their elite teamS-alike SWAT,
emergency response, and counterinsurgency--are performing exceptionally well. They have
been fully participating and are often taking the lead in complex and dangerouG
operations.
w The Iraqi press-~Iraqi politicians are being scrutinized by a free press.
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This has been going on for some time: Recall that the Oil-for:Food scandal was first
exposed by a post-Saddam Iraqi newspaper. When I stopped by the International Press
Center, Iraqi journalists--men and women~-were busy filing stories about the horse-trading
between the political parties. When the election results were officially announced, Iraqis
crowded around television sets in cafes allover Baghdad, watching the news.
The Arab satellite channels themselves are going through a transformation.
Wh:i,le Iraqis claim that Al Ja:zeera continues to be "the mouthpiece ot the insurgency," its
chief competitor, Al Arabiyah, has gotten serious about reporting news beyond the
violence, notwithstanding some sensationalism from time to time.
On Election Day, Al Arabiyah had correspondents go live at polling places in six cities,
north to south. When fence-sitting Iraqis tuned in that morning to decide whether to take
the risk to vote, Al Arabiyah reported voter momentum rather than terrorist attacks.
Momentum begets momentum.
Interestingly, Al Jazeera does not hold the dominant position in Iraq that it maintains in
other Arab markets. It did launch about eight years ahead of Al Arabiyah, which emerged
just before the Iraq war. But because saddam had outlawed satellite dishes, both ch~nnels
arrived at the same time in the homes ot most Iraqis .
.. Women--One of the Iraqi interim constitution's mandates resulted in every fourth
position on each political party list being held by a woman. This produced female
representation in the National Assembly at a higher rate than 'in the u.s. Congress.
Such newfound political rights are not as easily reversible as Western skeptics claim. A
political constituency is being created, which was exactly the intent of the Iraqi
Governing Council and the Coalition when they made this constitutional stipulation. Once
women get comtortable with political power, it's not easy for Islamists to take it away
without risk of revolt.
The example being set by Iraqis on women's rights goes beyond politics to myriad new
women's rights organizations and to women's v.isibility in the press corps. Indeed, there
is nothing more revolutionary than an Islamist politician being grilled by an abayah-clad
female Iraqi reporter under the bright lights of pan-Arab television cameras broadcasting
to the entire region .
.. Arab nationalism--"What this election told us is that Arab nationalism is dead in

Iraq," one Iraqi leader proudly proclaimed to me. If there's any doubt, watch Iraqis
select a Kurd as their next president--the first time a member of a non-Arab minority will
become the ceremonial head of an Arab country, in a part of, the world not known for its
respect for ethnic minority rights.
Even Iraqis' lack of interest in the "Zionist entity" is telling. This is not to say that
Iraqis are supportive of Israel or unsympathetic to the Palestinians. It's just that they
don't Qhare the obsession with Israel that consumes some others in the region. The Iraqi
political parties that ran on a Nasserite pan-Arab agenda performed dismally.
At Baghdad International Airport, the Iraqi employee of Royal Jordanian Airlines asked me
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if my final destination from Baghdad was Amman. "No," I replied, "it's Tel Aviv." He
didn't flinch, let alone launch into an anti-Israel tirade or deny me service. His only
concern was how to tag my luggage so it could go all the way through. I told a Sunni Iraqi
minister at the airport the same thing. He didn't miss a beat~ either. Free Iraqis seem to
be able to reconcile being agnostic about Israel with being sympathetic to the
Palestinians. And, besides, Iraqis are preoccupied with jobs, electricity, and security.
none of which they connect to the old pan-Arab scapegoat. Their outlet now is their own
political process.
* Iraqi pride--When I was working in Iraq, I was struck by how proud Iraqis were of their
country--surprising given that the modern state of Iraq has existed for only 85 years.
Iraqis were quick to note that, until the Iran-Iraq War, they were always the first in the
region, Whether it was joining the U.N. or acquiring television sets. Saddam's tyranny
destroyed much of that pride, and what was left was dealt a blow by the realization that'
it had taken a foreign power to liberate them.
Now, in the postelection euphoria, one begins to hear the word "first"
again. Iraqis recognize the significance of the election not only for themselves, but for
the region, which has renewed their sense of pride. As the spokesman for the Independent
Electoral Commission of Iraq put it when announcing the official results of the election:
"Today Iraq is taking a new step toward . . . democracy. II It was the first • true
democratic experience"
for Arab countries "and a model for the people of the area. . . Today is the birth of a
free Iraq . . . based on civilized democratic values. 1\
On the day that Rafik Hariri, former prime minister of Lebanon, was assassinated, an Iraqi
leade~ predicted to me that the response from the Lebanese people would be dramatically
different because of the example set by the Iraqi election.
Even in Iraq'S Sunni-majority areas, many people already resent the Association of Islamic
Scholars for urging a boycott of the election, and so forcing them off the democratic
train just a6 it was leaving the station.
There is little doubt Chat Sunnis will participate at much higher rates in the two
elections scheduled for later this year.
Even after Saddam's capture, many Iraqis seemed unable to fully believe that their country
would not revert to tyranny, the only political reality most had ever known. Now, since
the elections, Iraqis seem for the first time to be taking ownership of their country.
They are proud, and determined not to let it go.
Dan Senor was chief spokesman and senior adviser for the Coalition Provisional Authority
in Baghdad from April 2003 through June 2004. He recently returned to Iraq for the first
time since the handover of sovereignty.
c Copyright 200S,News Corporation, Weekly standard, All Rights Reserved.
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From: Dj Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA
Sent; Saturday,
PM
To: 'dansenor
Subject: Re:
Tnx. We'll 6urvivel

-----original Message---
From: Dan Senor <:dansenor"
To: larry.dirita~~~'fU!f'~;::':@;g<: arry. <ldirita
Sent: Sat Mar 12 1 :0: 2005
subject:
Lar,
My apologies. I told the Standard copy editor to change "Navy Seals" to "Americans" in
both places ... she did in one, but in the other replaced with "Special Forces". Not
helpful. I've seen Navy Seals elsewhere in print before. But, still, sorry about that.
I think you'll like the rest of the piece. Put in the bird if you think it would be
helpful.
Here's the link to the piece ...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/
Thanks!
-Dan
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From: f;~1~ffl%M!i';(Ws;f:'i:!'J:i:i:'i!i1mllT e, OASD·PA
Sent: Friday, March 11,20054:29 PM
Cc: Rhynedance. George, COL, OASD·PA
SUbJect: Feith Speeches
Attachments: Harvard Speech Final.pdf; CFR Speech Final.pdf
Hi, Mr Feith asked if I could forward these two speeches to you and ask if you would send to David Ignatius (he thought
you had a rapport with him). Mr Feith has also asked Mr DiRita to send it to his three databases (defense leaders,
military analysts, and defense experts) so I've sent them to Murphy to work. Please let me know final outcome so I can
feed the info back to Mr Feith (or just let him know at Monday's meeting)--thanksl
Words for emaillntro ......one of the most important elements of the President's and SeeDef's foreign policy/strategy is the
promotion of democratic institutions around the world. USD(P) Doug Feith just gave two speeches that deal with this
issue, among others, and 1 commend them to your attention......
thanks{~*1~isii;,i!;;ii!:1
Harvard Speech
Final.pdf (210 ...
CFR Speech
Final. pdf (164 KB)
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Civil Liberties, Civil Society and Civility
by
Douglas J. Feith
Under Secretary of Defense for Policy
John F. Kennedy School of Government * Harvard University
Cambridge, Massachusetts
March 3, 2005
Good evening. It's good to be back at Harvard. As you've heard, I
went to school here, at the College. I want to reassure the students in the
audience: a Harvard degree does not have to be a liability. In conservative
political circles, I've found, it may require some explaining, but many
conservatives are open-minded and others are forgiving. As an example of
this generosity of spirit, I'll tell you a true story:
Nearly thirty years ago, I had a piece of foreign policy juvenalia
published in the joumal of a conservative think tank. The biographical squib
mentioned my recent college degree. A reader sent me a fan letter, asserting
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as a compliment that I must have slept through my political science courses
at Harvard to have written so sensible an article.
So much for right-wing humor.
Actually, I stayed rather attentive in my government classes in college
- without much ill effect. As it happens, some of what I read in a "gov"
course on political philosophy has had some bearing on work I've done at
the Pentagon, some of which I'll discuss this evening.
Two concepts I studied here are particUlarly relevant to the US
strategy for the war on terrorism.
The first is civil liberties, and how to think about the balance between
individual freedom and the powers of government. The second is the local
character of governmental institutions, and whether they measure up to
principles that are said to be universal.
As much civil liberty as possible
In the United States, national security refers to more than protecting
territory or people. The United States is not just a country; it's a country
that lives in a certain way. The word "American" proclaims not an ethnic
identity, but an association with a community regulated by our Constitution.
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That's why, though one cannot instantly change one's ethnicity, millions of
people have, by taking an oath, become not just American citizens, but
Americans.
All ofthis is to say that civil liberties are not just a feature of life here,
they are what defines us as a nation. The civil liberties of the American
people therefore are what we aim to secure when we work on national
security policy.
Part of my education here at Harvard·was reading John Stuart Mill,
who championed the ethical and practical benefits ofliberal principles,
principles that respect the worth of individuals and their equality under the
law. In his writings, including his 1859 essay On Liberty, Mill argued that
humane and sensible societies allow their people as much individual
freedom as is consistent with "self-protection" or public safety.!
Much of what makes Americans happy - their political freedom,
economic prosperity, domestic tranquility and opportunity to better
themselves - derives from the liberal and democratic nature of our society
and the degree of mutual trust - sometimes referred to as social capital - that
I The PhlfosophyojJ. S. Mill. ed., Marshall Cohen (New York: Modem Library, 1961), p. 197.
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such a society engenders. It's hard to overstate the moral and material
benefits that are rooted in that social capital, in that trust, in our freedom.
9/11 and the War
This, we should all appreciate, is what's at stake in the war on
terrorism. Beyond the cost in lives and property, the 9/11 attack - or rather
our reaction to it - exposed a far-reaching element of the threat posed by
terrorism: To protect ourselves physically, we might feel compelled to
change fundamentally the way we live, sacrificing our society's openness for
hoped-for safety.
Because of our historical good fortune, we Americans enjoyed for a
long time a high degree of public safety and so became accustomed to
thinking that the liberal openness of our way of life is not only sacred but
immutable. But a community's freedom depends on circumstances.
Societies inevitably adjust to allow the state to fulfill its most basic duty:
providing security. As noted, even such uncompromising champions of
liberty as Mill bow to the exigencies of public safety. Our Constitution and
the judges that interpret it often seem to be saying that our freedoms are
absolute, but wh~n danger becomes oppressive, people are wont to recall the
quip that the Constitution is not a suicide pact.
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In the immediate aftermath of9/11, concerned that another attack may
be in the works, our government took actions to eliminate vulnerabilities that
the hijackers had turned to their advantage.
• We shut down air travel throughout the U.S. When it resumed, we
intensified airport security measures and folks now have to remember
to wear duly mended socks when they plan to fly.
• At the same time, the government restricted the issuance of visas, thus
affecting not only the freedom of foreigners to travel, but the freedom
of Americans to host them.
• And new legislation allowed intelligence and law ·enforcement
agencies. to share information more readily.
These were steps deemed prudent, indeed necessary, in the light of
what we knew - and what we didn't know - at the time. My interest here is
not to defend particular measures. Rather, it's to stress that, beyond the
human and material costs it imposes, terrorism takes advantage of and
thereby endangers the openness and trust that allow us to enjoy freedom and
prosperity.
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If another 9111 happened, especially an attack involving the use of
nuclear or biological weapons, who could doubt that our society would
respond by increasing further the powers of govenunent, affecting our
freedoms? As has happened over and over again for the last 35 years or so,
since the era of airplane hijacking got into full swing, security measures that
once seemed outrageous could over time become routine.
Such thoughts weighed on President Bush and his advisers as they
considered, in the period immediately after 9/11, how to prevent the next
attack against the United States. If the strategy for preventing that next
attack were to be solely or even primarily defensive, it would require a·
wholesale clamping down, not just at our borders but throughout the
country.
President Bush early on recognized that 9/11 was an act of war, not
merely a law enforcement matter and that the enemy is not a single group,
but a network of extremists and their state and non-state supporters. The
President declared that our war aim is to defeat terrorism as a threat to our
way ofHfe as a free and open society. We could not achieve that aim - for
we could not maintain a free and open society - with a solely defensive
strategy. To preserve civil liberties, the President had to adopt a strat~gy of
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disrupting terrorist networks abroad, where they do much of their planning,
recruiting and training. He had to adopt a strategy of initiative and offense.
I put it this way: The President decided that, in dealing with the terrorists,
he either had to change the way we live, or change the way they live.
Taking the war to the enemy has been necessary, but not sufficient.
Many months ago, in one of his famous "snowflake" memoranda (which
leaked to a newspaper), Secretary Rumsfeld asked: Are we capturing or
killing terrorists faster than our enemies can recruit new terrorists? Now, the
Secretary knows that attacking enemy networks keeps the terrorists off
balance and can deprive them of what they need to operate. What the
Secretary wanted to highlight ~as that such action cannot produce victory in
. the war so long as those networks can regenerate themselves.
Countering Ideological Support for Terrorism
To defeat our enemies in this war, we'll have to do more than disrupt
and attack; we'll have to counter their ideology. It's the attractiveness of
extremist ideology to certain segments ofthe Muslim world that motiva~es
people to join or help the terrorist groups. As the 9/11 Commission noted,
the US aim, in addition to attacking the terrorist groups, should be to
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"prevail[ ...] in the longer tenn over the ideology that gives rise to lslamist
terrorism. ,,2
The first part of this "hattIe of ideas" is the effort to de-legitimate
terrorism. The purposeful targeting of orqinary people going about their
lives in offices, markets and such places is not a political method that
deserves credit or pardon from decent people. This is what President Bush
is driving at when he says that US policy aims to make terrorism like the
slave trade, piracy! or genocide - activities that nobody who aspires to
respectability can condone! much less support. It's an ambitious goal to
change the way millions of people think.
But it can be done. History yields examples of successful ideological
campaigns. Particularly noteworthy, in my view, is Britain's effort in the

th
19 century to suppress the international slave trade. It was a protracted!
multifaceted, far~fl.ung enterprise. The British Navy had a leading role, as
did the Church. Journalists, diplomats and university figures all worked for
the cause. The effort took more than fifty years, succeeding ultimately not
only in suppressing to a large extent that sad commerce, but in de
legitimating it. At the end of the 19th century, the civilized world didn't
justify or excuse the slave trade, as had commonly been done when the
29/11 Commission Report, p. 363.
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century began. The British effort changed the way millions of people
thought, talked and acted.
Britain's fight against the slave trade involved - in today' s phrase-
all instruments of national power. It used "hard" (that is, military) power
and "soft." It tapped the energies of the government and of society at large.
Similarly, non-governmental institutions today - universities, think
tanks, other NGGs - have a role to play in the ideological struggle against
terrorism. Such institutions can in various ways wage the battle of ideas in
the war on terrorism more effectively than can our government.
Government policy makers have the task of finding proper and effective
means to encourage that effort.
De-legitimating terrorism is but one component ofthe strategy to
counter ideological support for our extremist enemies. President Bush, in
recent speeches has been emphasizing another: promotion of civil society,
political freedom and self-government. As he said in his Second Inaugural
address:
The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the

success of liberty in other lands. The best hope for peace in our
world is the expansion of freedom in all the world.
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America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one.
This has produced controversy. I'll deal here with two lines of
criticism that I find particularly interesting. One is that the President is too
ambitious, in that he should not expect to be able to implant democracy in
what is said to be unfertile soil. The other is that the President is not
ambitious enough in pressing certain countries to implement principles of
liberal democracy.
The Burkean Critique
The first Hne of criticism - that he is too sanguine about promoting
democracy - might be labeled "Burkean," as in Edmund Burke, one of the
philosophers to whom I was introduced here at Harvard. In college and
since, I read and re-read his works with admiration and profit. Burke
teaches that successful political institutions are Tooted in local soil. They
grow organically, as it were, out of the culture, situation and historical
experience of particular people. Burke warns of the catastrophes that can
result from arrogant rationalists using philosophical abstractions for the
revolutionary remaking of societies.
Burke's arguments have power not only because they are elegantly
articulated, but because they were vindicated so bloodily in the French
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Revolution, in the course of which he wrot'e some of his greatest work, and
then vindicated again repeatedly over the next two centuries in the Bolshevik
Revolution and in other murderous projects of grand social engineering. If
the test of a theory is that it predicts, then Burke's writings deserve high
grades and careful consideration.
I see President Bush's promotion of human freedom not as arrogance
or naive and rampant Wilsonianism. The President starts, I believe, from the
well-grounded observation that societies with free political institutions
provide their people with greater personal liberty and prosperity than do
societies without such institutions. He observes that the rejection of tyranny
and the aspiration for freedom are not peculiar to our particular culture. As
he said in his Second Inaugural: "America will not pretend that jailed
dissidents prefer their chains, or that women welcome humiliation and
servitude, or that any human being aspires to live at the mercy of bullies."
At the same time, the President has made a point of not urging, let
alone imposing, American-style political institutions on other countries.
He doesn't believe that there's a single model of democratic
governance that can function everywhere. ActuaIJy, he has said the
opposite: "As we watch and encourage refonns in the [Middle East], we are.
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mindful that modernization is not the same as Westernization.
Representative governments in the Middle East will reflect their own
cultures. They will not, and should not, look like us. n3 The President, I
submit, is here voicing the modest prudence of Burkean restraint.
Democracies on a Spectrum ofLiberality
So we come to the second line of criticism - not that the
Administration is trying to impose our ideas of democracy on unwilling or
unready Afghans or Iraqis, but rather the opposite: that the Administration
is tolerating political institutions in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere that
don't count as democratic because they don't measure up to American
standards.
The critics here commonly focus on the new Afghan Constitution and
Iraq's interim constitution, known as the Transitional Administrative Law.
Both refer to Islam as the state religion.
Neither document, to be sure, would pass muster by US constitutional
law standards. But are these freshly produced constitutions therefore
undemocratic?
J Remarks Al The 20th Anniversary OrThe National Endowment For Democracy, November 6, 2003.
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Both documents state protections for rights of non-Muslims. The
Afghan Constitution says that "Followers of other religions [other than
Islam] are free to perform their religious rites within the limits of the
provisions of law" and that the Afghan "state shall abide by ... the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights.,,4
The Iraqi interim constitution painstakingly balances Islam's official
status with the rights of non-Muslims:
Islam is the official religion of the State and is to be considered

a source of legislation. No law [may] contradict[ ... ] the
universally agreed tenets of fslam, the principles of democracy,
or the [individual] rights cited in [the interim constitution] ...
[The interim constitution] guarantees the full religious ri~hts of
all individuals to freedom of religious belief and practice.
Among the individual rights referred to here are those in the following
provision:
Each Iraqi has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, and

religious belief and practice. Coercion in such matters shall be
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prohibited. .
Are such provisions incompatible with a decent political order, with
human freedom or with democracy?
~ Articles 2 and 7.
s Article 7(A).
6 Article 13(F).
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Before we answer, we should consider the rather wide spectrum of
liberality across which are ranged the world's democratic countries. The
more individualist democracies, generally the countries of "new settlement,"
are on the liberal side of the spectrum. On the other are those democracies,
generally countries with national histories that reach back into antiquity, that
are cOI1.1fortable giving legal recognition to religious or ethnic groups.
In some countries, democracy might not be workable ifit were not
possible to take into account the interests of these groups as groups,
however un-American that concept is. As illiberal as it is to give groups as
groups legal rights and privileges, it has been deemed necessary in some
democratic countries, where historical experience has made it impossible for
members of various groups to relate to each other simply as fellow-citizens.
Now, on this spectrum of democracies, the United States is ensconced
at the liberal end. We pride ourselves on laws that respect the liberty and
political equality of individual citizens. Our political institutions (the US
Senate and the Electoral College being notable anomalies) stand on the
principle of one man, one vote. We have no king and no established church
and our Constitution (since the Civil War, in principle, and since the civil
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rights movement, in fact) disallows invidious recognition of race, religion or
ethnic identity.
But, as I've noted, fundamental as these features are to the American
political system, they are by no means universal among the world's
democracies.
• The heads of state of such venerable democratic countries as Norway,
,Sweden and the United Kingdom are hereditary monarchs.
• The UK and Denmark have established churches.
• In a number of democracies, such as France and Germany, the state
pays clerics.
• Many democracies have religious symbols on their flags - for
example, Switzerland and Norway each have a cross; on the UK flag
there are two crosses.
• Even in liberal and tolerant Canada, there are laws concerning the font
sizes in which store-front signs must announce their wares in French
and in other languages.
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And democracies differ from one another also regarding other matters
of civil liberties:
• British libel laws are much stricter than those in the United States.
Germany and France make the uttering of certain opinions (for
example, denial of the Holocaust) a criminal offense. Such laws
would be regarded in the United States as violations of freedom of
speech.
• Finally, police search powers differ widely among democratic states.
Many European states give their police powers that would, in the
United States, be regarded as unreasonable infringements on privacy.
Given the variety of political institutions even among the advanced
industrial democracies of the West, no one should be surprised if and when
new democracies in other parts of the world emerge looking quite different
from our own. As more and more societies achieve self-government, they
will evolve institutions and practices that fit their own cultures and
circumstances.
Conclusion: Democracy and Debate
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One of the impressive things about the Afghan and Iraqi constitutions
I've been discussing is that they were created through democratic debate, not
dictatorial fiat. Indeed, orderly, reasoned and respectful debate of
controversial subjects is crucial for the functioning of democratic
government. It may even have a place at American universities.
As you've heard, I'm a fan of Edmund Burke. At the end of his
"Reflections on the Revolution in France," he claims that he is someone "in
whose breast no anger durable or vehement has ever been kindled, but by
what he considered as tyranny.'" This strikes me as a kind of gold standard
for those who would enter the public debate in a democracy.
In a similar vein, J. S. Mill, though hardly an ally of Burke on most
issues, notes with respect to democratic debate: "The worst offence ...
which can be committed by a polemic, is to stigmatize those Who hold the
contrary opinion as bad and immoral men."s
Indeed, as Mill points out:
In the case of any person whose judgment is really deserving of

confidence. how has it become so? Because he has kept his
mind open to criticism of his opinions and conduct. Because it
has been his practice to listen to all that could be said against
? Burke, Reflections 011 the Revolution in France, (Penguin Books, 1968), p. 376.
I The Philosophy ofJ. S. Mill, ed .• Marshall Cohen (New York.: Modem Library, (961), p. 247.
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him; to profit by as much as was just and expound to himself,
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and upon occasion to others, the fallacy of what was fallacious.
In both Afghanistan and Iraq democratic debate is in its infancy. We
hope that tolerance and compromise will become habitual there and make
possible - though the process will likely be long and tumultuous - the
creation of prosperous democratic societies. We may even be seeing early
signs that political progress in those countries is having benign influence on
others in the region, including the Palestinians and the Lebanese.
This has been an exciting time to be in government and to witness,
encourage and perhaps help enable the blossoming of humane ideas of
liberty and self·government, the exposition of which one had the good
fortune not to sleep through many years earlier in a Harvard classroom.
Thank you.
9 The PhiJosophyo!J. S. Mill. ed., Marshall Cohen (New York: Modem Library, 1961), pp. 208·09.
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Froml Rhynedance, George, COL, OASD~PA
To: DiRita, Larry, elV, OSD-OASD-PA
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Done
COL George H. Rhynedance
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Subject: Fw: Jeb Babbin editorial -- need to keep this dog fed
For monday'8 early bird, pIs. Tnx

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TORTURE TRUTIIS
By JED BABBIN
JUST how far were U.S. interrogators told they could go in questioning detainees in Iraq,
Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay? A new report by Vice Adm. Albert T. Church III, the former
navy inspector general, answers some questions pointedly, but raises many more.
The Defense Department has now done 11 investigations growing out of the Abu Ghraib
prisoner-abuse scandal, which broke a year ago. Church test~£ied to the Senate Armed
Services committee on the latest report Thursday. His task was to trace any connection
bet~een the interrogation methods sanctioned by Defense to any abuses in Iraq, Afghanistan
and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
At the outset of the war, the president determined, entirely correctly, that eUApected
terrorists and their ill<; - such .... the ·T...:U.1>..n aclOl J.ater t;he so-c;;..11eO "S ..ddam Fedayeel'l"
weren't prisoners of war entitled to the protections afforded under the Geneva
canventions. Since we attacked Afghanistan in October 2001, the left has been working
night and day to force a reversal of th~t decision, rts principal tool has become the
abuses at the Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad.
Critics focused the confirmation hearings tor Alberto GOnzales as attorney general on
Justice Department and White ~ouse memos debating the definitions of torture. Ever since
the Abu Ghraib scandal broke, others have blamed Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld And the
senior military leadership for creating an atmosphere in which prisoner abuse was, i f not
specifically permitced, at least inevitable.
The Church report proves those assertions wrong. It says, "We found, without exceptiOn,
that the DoD and senior military commanders responsible for the formulation of
interrogation policy evi~ence~ the intent to treat detainees humanely, which is
fundamentally inconsistent with the notion that such officials or commanders ever accepted
tha.t detainee abuse would be permissible ; . . [and] it is clear that none of the pictured
abuBes at Abu Ghraib bear any resemblance to approved policies at any level, in any
theater. "
But what about Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay? Weren't the interrogators just turned
loose? In fact, no. Church wrote, "We found no link between approved interrogation
techniques and detainee abuse."
Church found that most of the abuse case8 didn't even come out of interrogations. "Of the
70 cases of . , . substantiated abuse, only 20 of these cases, or less than one-third,
could be considered 'interrogation-related.' " The rest occurred in situations such as at
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the "point of capture" - where 50ld1ers who've captured people they believed had caused
the deaths or wounding of their pals got emotionally carried away.
According to Church. the incidenc~ of abuse is not unique to any of the services, to
activ~ VB. reserve soldiers or other factors. (Thus, he apparently disagrees with the
earlier Taguba report on Abu Ghraib, which found the reservist military police
inadequately trained for detainee operations in the environment they encountered.) Every
true interrogator's goal.is to get actionable intelligence - reliable information that's
translatable into offensive or defensive action. To get it, we must both abjure torture
ana reject the tide of pOlitical correctness that threatens to drown our interrogators.
Interrogation-related abuse is quite rare, the report notes: "At {Guantanamo Bay}, where
there have been over 24.000 interrogation sessions . . . there are only three cases of .
. substantiated abuse, all consisting of minor assaults in which [military intelligence]
interrogators exceeded the bounds of approved interrogation policy."
But those bo~nds, as Church's report e~plains, remain blurry because "no universally
accepted definitions of 'torture' or 'abuse' e~ist." All there is- in the Geneva
Conventions, O.S. and international law - is the concept that detainees must be treated
"humanely."
As the Church report shows, the terrorists are trained in our interrogation methods and
how to resist them. When we use more aggressive techniques - as we did in the case of two
"high-value" detainees at Guantanamo who resisted standard interrogation for months - the
new techniques "successfully neutralized th~ two detainees' resistance training and
yielded valuable intelligence."
Church said in a conference call Wednesday that our interrogators are now "clamped up"
declining to push interrogations as hard as they legally and morally can and should for
fear of the next investigation that will come along.
We are punishing innovative interrogators, such as the two \/Iomen at Guantanamo Bay, "who.
on their own initiativ~, touched and 5po~e to detainees in a sexually-suggestive m~nner in
order to incur stress b!!lsed on the detainees' religious beliefs." Why should we punish
those women? Why should we respect terrorists' religious beliefs when we - and a growing
number of their co-religionists - say they are perverting their religion by their
terrorism?
The most important finding Church makes is a negative one; that there is no universal
definition of torture or abuse. American and allied interrogators shouldn't have to work
in fear of prosecution under vague laws and treaties. So long as they do, they will remain
"clamped uP" - less effective than they must be if we are to get the actionable
intelligence we need to save lives.
We have a clear definition of ,. torture" in U. S. law. Congress should - as clearly as
possible, without trying to specify every possible circumstance - act quickly to specify
what "abuse" means.
Jed Babbin is a former deputy undersecretary of defense, a contributing editor with
familysecuritymatters.com and author of "Inside the Asylum: Why the U.N. and Old Europe
Are worse Than You Think."
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it will appear in next week's issue and will be on
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could put it in the monday bird, that would be great.
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> When will it appear? We can throw it in the bird ...
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> pride), and i show how in each area the trendlines
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> > > <Bryan.Whitman~~~mt20t(%N
> > > To: Oi Rita, Larr , CIV, OSD-OASD-PA
> > > <larry.dirita4~@~@V0UJ0q B
> > > Sent: Thu Mar 10 16:22:31 2005
> > > Subject: RE:
> > >
> > > It's good -- 1 concur with your concerns.
> > > Additionally I wonder with the,
> > > recent checkpoint shooting, if the point about
> > > Iraqis managing all the
> > > checkpoints might be a bit overstated and leave
> > the
> > > reader to challenge
> > > other aspects.
> >
>
> > -----Original Message----
>
> > From: Oi Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA
>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:45 PM
>
> > To: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
>
> > Subject: Fw:
>
> >
>
> > > PIs take a look at this email string and let me
> > know
> > > what you think. Tnx
> > > -------------------------
> > >. Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> > >
> > >
: : : ;~~~ ~O~;~i~:~o~e:~:~:;~~~t~R~~J::);:Wj(@ij!n% ii;'; ':;;I

: : : ;~~r~~.~i~~ta~n~SWS0i~w'
> > >
OSD-DASD-PA
Sent: Thu Mar 10 15:40:01 2005
> > > SUbject: Re:
> > >
> > > okay, glad i checked. are the allawi graphs fine
;:. ;:J. so
> > > long as i don't specifiy
> > > beyond "americans"?
: : : :~~r;~~ d~;~~~i~#;)B'0'm;kc)01~~o~;~-OASD-PA"
> > > > Good for you for doing this, dan ... r think the
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> > two

> > > grafa on allawi
> > > > security go too far. CertainlY the second one
> > > does by identifying
> > > > specific unit.
> > > >
> > > > You might be able to tell the same story by
> just
> > > saying that
> > > > "americans"
> > > > were providing personal security (leave it
> open
> > to
> > > whether it was civ
> > > > or
> > > > mil) and that now it increasingly is iraqis,
> or
> > > whatever the case is.
> > ;:. ::
> > > > One point worth considering is the general
> point
> > > that, across the
> > > > board, iraqi security forces must get much
> more
> > > capable, but at the
> > > > high end (swat teams, emergency response,
> > > counterinsurgency teams,
> > > > etc.) They are getting
> > > > really quite good. They are getting more
> > involved
> > > in sensitive, comex
> > > > ops, etc.
> >
> ;:.
> > > > Anyway, glad you are doing it.
> > > >
> > > > Enjoyed our brief visit last week ... cheers
> > > > ----------------~---------

> > > > Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----~ . ~,....~~~~~
> > > > From: Dan Senor <dansenori~~~~hi!i;it;;:;r';, tf,:'m
> > > > To: Di Rita CIV OSD
> > > > <la
> > ldirita
> > > <ldirl
> > > > Sent: Thu Mar 10 14:03:31 2005
> > > > Subject:
> > > >
> > > > Larry,
> > ;:. >
> > > > Good to see you last week.
> '> > >
> > > > I'm publishing an article in the Standard next
> > > week that points to all
> > > > the positive developments I observed on my
> > recent .
> > > trip to Iraq.
:> > > :>
> > > > One section relates to Iraqi security forces,
> > and

> > > I just want to make
> > > > sure it's okay by you ... that it doesn't
> violate
> > or
> > > expose anything
> > > > that you'd be uncomfortable with.
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> > > >

,> > > > The relevant text is below (I'm particluarly
> > > concerned with the
> > > > reference to the Navy Seals and the senior DoD
> > > official) ;
> > > >
> > > > Checkpoints and security ...
> > > >
> > > > Last summer, every military checkpoint was
> > manned
> > > by American
> > > > soldiers. Iraqis were the first to cite this
> > > "humiliation". But
> > > > every checkpoint I've been through now is
> > staffed
> > > by Iraqi soldiers.
> > > >
> > > > Now American troops are increasingly
> > > > behind-the-scenes, only there to help if
> things
> > > get dicey. For most
> > > > Iraqis, the checkpoint experience has become
> one
> > > of interface with
> > > > their fellow citizens in uniform an
> enormous
> > > psychological and
> > > > symbolic change.
> > > >
> > > > A senior Defense Department official here
> > > discussed taking this .
> > > > process to the next step by employing
> Iraqi-only
> > > military patrols in
> > > > the major cities.
> ;10 ;10 >
> > > > Last year, Iraq's Prime Minster, Deputy Prime
>
message truncated ===
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Fromt Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD·PA
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 20054:32 PM
Subject: RE:
Will do
...... -----Original Message----

"
From: Oi Rita, Larry, CIV, OSO-OASD-PA
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 4:31 PM
Subject: Re:
Maybe mnti? I am personally comfortable with it based on the briefings/demos we got in

iraq. Not sure if I got the names of the indiidual forces yet ...
.
From: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA <Bryan. Whitman
Sent; Thu Mar 10 16:26:19 2005
Subject: RE:
I'll try to wash it around -- but it really is in the eye of the beholder. Again I think
it maybe unnecessarily overstated. Anyone in particular you might me to run it by?
Sent: Thursday, March 10. 2005 4:07 PM
Subject: Fw: '
Can you have someone do a basic sanity check on the followi~g graf dan has in a
forthcoming article. Part of the same article I sent you some text from earlier ... tnx
-----Original Message---- ~~~~~~
From: Dan Senor <danBenorm%~?10»lB)J000j
Sent: Thu Mar 10 15;59:46 2005
Subject: Re:
Lar, I integrated your most recent suggestion into another graph from another part of the
article. Let me know if the facts are correct ... thanks!
---As for Iraqi security force performance, I asked US troops in Baghdad for feedback.
Some glowing, some restrained, but none disparaging. At a minimum, there was a real
respect on the part our troops for Iraqis risking their lives for their own country. And
while everyone agrees that Iraqi forces still have a way to go, their elite teams
-- like SWAT, emergency response, and
counterinsurgency -- are performing exceptionally well. They have been fully
participating and are often taking the lead in complex and dangerous operations.
:;:~r~~d~;I~~~gji;;:!x;~I~~o~~~-OASD-PA"
> Good for you for doing this, dan ... r think the two grafs on allawi
> security go too far. Certainly the second one does by identifying
> specific unit.
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;>
;>You might be able to tell the same story by just saying that
;> "americans"
> were providing personal security (leave it open to whether it was civ
;> or
> mil) and that now it increasingly is iraqis, or whatever the case is.
;>
> One point worth considering is the general po{nt that, across the
;> board, iraqi security forces must get much more capable, but at the
> high end (swat teams, emergency response, counterinsurgency teams,
> 'etc.) They are getting
> really quite good. They are getting more involved in sensitive, comex
;> ops, etc.
>
> Anyway, glad you are doing it.
;>
> Bnjoyed our brief visit last week ... cheers
;> ----------------------~---
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
;>
> -----Original Message----~~ .. ~~~,m.,,~,~~~~

> From; Dan Senor <: dansenor¢B?hl.:x 0Py/·g;;\;I;,!t1
: ;~ ~r~~ . ~t;~ t~i~{jw"nt:4.~<0;>0'i!>(:",\i)'<U :J ld i r i taf~%~!M;;!~:!;fi;;\f!'lJ <: I di r i ta~~t1m):i!~i;;·;~::;\w:jW,;1

> Sent: Thu Mar 10 14:03:31 2005
> SUbject:
;>
> Larry,
>
> Good to see you last week.
;> I'm publishing an article in the Standard next week that points to all
> the positive developments I observed on my recent trip to Iraq.
;> One section relates to Iraqi security forces, and I just want to make
;> sure it's okay by you ... that it doesn't violate or expose anything
> that you'd be uncomfortable with.
> The relevant text is below (I'm particluarly concerned with the
;> reference to the Navy Seals and the senior DoD official) :
;>
> Checkpoints and security ...

;>
> Last summer, every military checkpoint was manned by American

> soldiers. Iraqis were the first t.o cite this "humiliat.ion". But
> every checkpoint I' ve been through now is staffed by Iraqi ~Ioldiers.
>
> Now American troops are increasingly
> behind-the-scenes, only there to help if things get dicey. For most
> Iraqis, the checkpoint experience has become one of interface with
> their fellow citizens in uniform -- an enormous psychologiccll and
> symbolic change.
>
> A senior Defense Department official here discussed taking l~his
> process to the next step by employing Iraqi-only military patrols in
;> the major cities.
>
> Last year, Iraq's Prime Minster, Deputy Prime Minster. and President
> were guarded by US special forces.
> When
> these politicians appeared on local television, a ring of
> plain-clothed Americans was often in the camera shot.
>
> At that time, Prime Minister Allawi visited the scenes of s1Jicide
> bombings to project a strong 'large and in-charge' image. This effort
> was greatly hampered by visuals of the tigbt circle of Navy seals wno
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:> were keeping him alive. Now Iraqis have been trained to do the job
> another important change.
>
> As for the Iraqi security services, when I passed a recruiting
> facility in Baghdad, the line went on as far as the eye could see. It
> looked like a suicide bombing waiting to happen, as events this week
> in aI-Hilla reminded us. But Iraqis have not been
> deterred. As the Centcom Commander, General
> Abiz:aid,
> put it, "each time an Iraqi soldier is killed, another step~; up to
> take his place. And since the handover of sovereignty, mort! Iraqis
:> have died in the line of duty in Iraq than Americans."
>
> When I repeated this story to a western reporter, he cynically
> responded: "well that just shows you how desperate they are for
:> jobs." Perhaps. But then how does one explain 8.8 million Iraqis who
> risked their lives, not for a job. but to Yote?
>
>
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From: ~~*%rH//:iYi!t;;'Nt;'i/ilclv OASD-PA

Sent: Monday, March 07 2005 8:49 AM
To: [~#~X;i;X:'X'):"iY>X:ii(j('ib IV OASD-PA
Subject: Today's Spectator (Jed Babbin)
March SGO
By Jed Babbin
Published 3/7/2005 12:07:44 AM
. Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy, creating a new job market for hit men under the age of
18, opined that American law -- and that dusty old Constitution that sits in increasing irrelevance
behind a plate of glass down Capitol Hill from Kennedy's perch -- was out of step with the rest of the
world. That would be enough SGO for any month, but it's certainly the clearest written excogitation of
this month's theme. (For those just joining us, "SGO" is the immortal acronym that sprang from the
overly-active mind of my pal and former SEAL AI Clark for the phrase, "s$%t goin' on.")
We are, thankfully, so out of step with Europe that even when we appear to be in step -- as in telling
Syrian dictator Bashar ai-Assad to get out of Lebanon -- no one, including Assad. takes it seriously.
Franee has joined us in telling the Syrians to end their occupation of Lebanon forthwith, If we can
count on the French for anything, it's only that they are likely whispering to Assad what they told his
Baathist pal Saddam three March's ago: that they won't really do anything, and can tie us up in the
U.N. so that we won't either. Assad is dancing the Saddam waltz. playing for time with meaningless
promises to withdraw Syrian forces from Lebanon gradually, meaning not at all. The latest -
announced yesterday -- is a withdrawal beginning today, to move Syrian troops back to the Syrian
Lebanese border, but still in Lebanon. That which is moved today can be moved back tomorrow, with
equal eaSe.
We have both underestimated and overestimated Assad. He's not the dummy we have thought. but
his personal power is limited. His generals and advisers -- most leftovers from his father's reign - are
his power base, and they'd trade him for a short beer if they saw the need. Hezbollah, the Iranian
backed terrorist organization, controls much of southern Lebanon and has been used by Assad to'
. threaten Israel. Hezbollah is not under Assad's control. It will do what the mullahs in Tehran tell it to
do, and they're not about to tell them to withdraw,
Syria will have to be solved militarily and the longer we wait to do it the easier it will be for the
terrorists to escape, to move weapons, money, and people to another sanctuary. Dubya is setting
himself up for another tong bout of quagmire diplomacy in the U.N. It won't work any better than it did
on Iraq. Better to act and ask forgiveness than to wait for permission. Especially when Bad VIad Putin
is on the prowl.
THE MOST DANGEROUS HEADLINE of the week is the one leading the story of Russia's imminent
launch of two Iranian spy satellites. Planned for launch some time between April and June, the
"Mesbah" and "Sinah-1" satellites -- Iran's first -- will be a major strategic increase of Iran's military
and terrorist capabilities. There is no reason to think that the satellites -- which must have been built
by the Russians for Iran -- will do any less. Moreover, these satellites almost certainly have secure
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communication capabilities, which will make Iran's terrorist operations - through Hezbollah, al
Oaeda, and other groups it is allied with - much more effective and less vulnerable to attack. Our
anti-satellite weapons capability {which is still aborning).should be put high on the agenda for
development and implementation. And the Iranian satellites should bE! taken out at the first
opportunity.
Russia's alliance with Iran makes impossible any effective U.N. or European diplomatic action to
defuse the Iranian nuclear weapons program. President Bush is making a major mistake in creating
an easy political environment for Put;n to push Russia's centuries-old ambitions in the Caucasus by
helping Iran achieve its nuclear ambitions. By joining in the European effort to negotiate Iran's
nuclear program away, the President is emboldening -Russia and Iran both, and further muddying our
incoherent policy toward the mullahs. By doing so, he will neither lead the Europeans to divorce
themselves from feckless diplomacy nor isolate Iran. Europe will always appease, even when .
appeasement means the rise of another nuclear pow'er that will threaten it directly, as Iran will. We
need to sort out what we will do about Iran, and get on with it. Peace "- here and in the Middle East -
cannot be achieved until we do. There will be no progress this week, beca'use the world's attention
will again be on allegations of American prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay.
LAST WEEK, THE BBC called to ask what I knew of the allegations made by a Libyan detainee
(who, until captured in Pakistan, was a resident of the UK) that Libyans had interrogated him at the
Baghram air base in Afghanistan, having been flown there secretly by a CIA aircraft. One Ornar
Deghayes claims he was threatened with removal to Libya, where he would be treated ungently by
Oaddafi's secret police. When I checked with an intelligence source, it denied knowledge of any
Libyan involvement (which means close to nothing). When I asked a Defense Department source, he
laughed uproariously but said not a word. Which means, methinks, that a couple of Middle Eastern
looking guys on our payroll (dressed up in Libyan uniforms) visited Mr. Deghayes to interrogate him
and succeeded in scaring the hell out of him. (Were I in charge, it could also mean that the whole
incident was concocted simply to see how long it would take for the rumor of Libyan involvement to
be picked up in the Brit media.) But regardless of the mind games we are playing with Mr. Deghayes
and the Beeb. this will be a very rough week on the prisoner abuse issue.
On Thursday VAdm. Albert T. Church III -- former Navy inspector general, and now director of Navy
staff -- will report in Senate testimony the results of the DoD inquiry into detainee interrogation
methods. Senators will dredge up every abuse at Abu Ghraib, every allegation of abuse coming out·
of the International Committee of the Red Cross, and every other horrible thing they can, seeking yet
again to score a soundbite on the CBS Evening News. (Gunga Dan Rather gives up the anchor chair
on Wednesday. Pity. It'd be worth putting up with him for one more night to see how he slanted this
story.) Despite the Senate theatrics, there may be some light shed on what's going on.
Church will probably say, as the Schlesinger panel said before him, that there is no policy permitting
torture, that our interrogators are well supervised, and that our interrogators aren't permitted to
mistreat or degrade detainees. What won't be asked will be more important than what will be. Are we
imposing false limits on interrogation methods that are hampering our ability to get information we
may need desperately? Are we limiting techniques such as degradation, body clock manipulation and
such, more than we legally and morally must? Seems to me that our people should be able to do
more than say, "Your momma wears combat boots."
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Telephone;
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From:
Sent:
To:
Subject: CHURCH REPOR.T INTERVIEW
for your p~annjng: As of COB today, the latest word we have is that VADM Church has declined to do the
internal interviews LtCol,~g%~t:;Mi;i'W:M requested on our behalf. However, we have a very TENTATIVE interview
instead with MG Donald Ryder, Provost Marshal General of the Army. on Tuesday, 8 Mar. Time TBD. This
interview would also be embargoed until VADM Church's SAse testimony Thursday. Everything subject to
e n t week, of course. .
F~iginal Messllt~~rli[i)jf;( f;;f'irkl Lt Cot, OASD-PA
Sent: , 2005 8:38 AM
10: . .i . :. . . : . ,; IV, OASD-PA
Subject: FW: Church Report CommunIcation Strategy
~glf~M,;,f:i{;
Tell me if I screwed anything up....just worried about them delaying so Ion on making decisions that we miss the
opportunities or make them more painful by last minute coordination.
----Original Mess
Fl"OlTl: , Lt Col, OASD-PA'
Sent: 0'\, 2005 8:35 AM
10:
cc: ~~, OSD'CIO;[~~t~Mi:' 1+:1& :X;~T
Subject: epa Communication Strategy
~~!f~l;;';;:;X'eEI
As we discussed yesterday. part of the communication strategy involves "internal/military" coverage and engagement with
retired military analysts. Both of these are very low threat and offer a bjg pavback. 'The key is to schedule them now so
that we don't miss this opportunity. Recommend the following:
Pentagon Channellnterview/American Forces Press Service Interview: Mondlly, 7 March. 1230. 30 Minutes
(Location In Building, studio TBD)
-Admiral to discuss his charter, general findings, and any thoughts he wishes to share... "ie,comprehensive review,
hundreds of interviews In multiple locations with all types of experts, etc."
-In order to maximize the Admiral's time, the print journalist takes notes during the video interview...and then is offered 10
mins to ask follow-up questions once the 15 min video interview ends.
-NONE of the information will be released in any wayJshapelform until after Congressional testimony
-Idea is for "our folks" to capture these inteTViews right away with Admiral Church so they have a couple of days to produce
their stories.
-Another benefit is this would allow a review of the video script and the print story(s) prior to use--but review must be done
ra~~ .
-Will also arrange for appropriate OSDJArmy leader for a different story on Detention Ops reforms
Retired Military Analyst Conference Call: Wednesday. 9 Mar, 1500.45 Minutes. .
-Admiral Church and OSD/Army Rep to conduct the call. There are about 50 retired military analysts that are part of this
group...these are the folks that end up on FOX, CNN, etc interpreting miljtary happenings. .
-These calls are conducted frequently and offer HUGE payback...these end up being the people carrying the mail on talk
shows (@50 analysts, but not all of them will join the call due to their schedules. Many are retired flag officers.)
-Everything discussed will be embargoed until the start of testimony on Thursday---these folks will honor the embargo
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· Please let me know if we can lock into these times/activities. Thanks.·~e.~~p·~;~*i'l .

~~?;t::<>Fn>4/'i>;;}ii;:i?;1
Lt. Col., U.S. Air Force
Office of the Assistant Secreta
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.,
From: Whitman, Bryan, SES. OASO·PA
Sent: T rsda 03, 2005 5:51 PM
To: H1(~)':(>Y;}li'/(X Lt Col, OASD-PA
Cc: Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT. OASD-PA; Keck, Gary, Col, OASD-PA; Carpenter, Joe, LCDR OASD
PA
Subject: RE: Church Update
I talked to LD and he is going to respond back to Church on that :€ mail.
From: ':' It Col, OASD·PA

sent: 03, 2005 5:27 PM
Te: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
cc: Merritt, Roxie T, CAPT, OASD-PA; Keck, Gary, Col, OASD-PA; Carpenter, Joe, lCDR OASD-PA
Sullject: Qwrch Update
MrWhitman
Sir, with your permission, I'd like to try & block the following on the Admiral's calendar (can change if they end up
conflicting w/Schlesinger meeting):
-Pentagon ChannelfAFPS Interviews (Monday, 7 March, noon, Air Force studio, 30 Minutes) -Embargoed until
conclusion of Friday testimony
-On·the-Record Military Analyst Conference Call (Wednesday, 9 Mar, 3 p.m., Ms Barber's office, 30 Minutes)
"Embargoed until beginnlng of Friday testimony
Regarding Heather Mac Donald (spoke w/her today) and Jed Babbin, don't think we need either to physically come in to
the Pentagon to meet with Admiral Church-can do something on the phone with him and others if need be. Mr Babbin, for
example, will be on the analyst call anyway. Key is to get them some printed material (they will honor embargo) as early
next week as possible.
Heard plenty of rumors today, but few facts: maybe MG Ryder instead of LTG Alexclnder; maybe Mr Waxman instead of
MrHenry. .
Also spoke with CDR Chun at CHINFO, Seems like one of the Admiral's concerns was Ihat doing a press brief following
testimony would mean reporters would grill him over responses he gave 10 commjtl~!e members. However, I sensed ~hat
the Admiral understands Why this brief may be necessary.--V/R John
AttaChed is the email I sent Captain Lambert re: Church Testimony Prep dates/times.
« Message: Testimony & Media Prep Sessions - Church Report »
"i?fP~fense (PUblic Affairs)
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From:
Sent:
To:
Cc: COL, OASO-PA: Whitman, Bryan,
SUbJect:
Attachments: Spec\aIOpsClips.2.25.doc
SpecialOpsClips.2.2
S.doc (401<'"
Pursuant to your request, we found:
• Two U.S. papers (KC Star and Lexington Herald Leader) that put
(moBt) of "pentagon seeking Leeway OVerseas" in their print editions;
t Two Canadian papers that printed "original" articles citing the
Post s work;
• Twelve Newspaper ....ebsites and one TV news website that republished
the Tyson/Priest article online;
* Six news websites that pUblished "original" articles citing the
Post's work (all were foreign):
• Military analyst David Grange characterized the initiative as aiming
to "improve flexibility" in discussing the article on eNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight program
(transcript and videoclip included); and
* A number of blog comments (representative samples included). Those
comments varied only in the degree of their criticism of having the DoD take on the
alleged new role.
Please 5ee attachment for full details.
F~~~~-~~i~i~:~ ~:~~~~e;~~~ -OSD-OASD-PA (mailto: larry. dirita8Wi @':M0i;Wi,1;~'i;,;1

~~~1~%~m~~~4&0%«mS~£#0fYA;~S-~~~~Ii:56PM '
Cc: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA: Rhynedance, George, COL, OASD-PA; ~~itman, aryan, SES,
OASD-PA
Subject:
Please get me a tally of the places where the following story or related story
ran around the country. The wash post articles frequently get: carried elsewhere around
the country/world. Tnx.
http://ebird.af1s.osd:mil/ebfiles/e20050224353807.html
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From:
Sent:
To:
Subject:
True
Barber, Allison,
Lawrence, Dallas,
25 11:07:43 2005
my team - overview of comments this week by retired military personnel
analysts - FYI
Ken Allard:
• American citizen conspiring to assassinate President Bush (MSNBC)
• Discussed the topic of potentially having the U.S. take more aggressive measures
toward the insurgents (MSNBC)
Bill COwan:
• Increased insurgent attacks during the Shiite hOliday - February 19th (Fox
News}
William Nash:
• Change in insurgent attacks. They are now going for infrastructure such as oil
refineries and electric plants around Baghdad (Fox News}
Paul Vallely:
• Syria will have to be dealt with (Fox News)
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From: Barber, Allison, elV, OASD·PA
Sent:
To: IV,OASD.PA
Subject:
Great. Let's try and get the pdf posted with a story about the accompishments. Or some
way to highlight the book. Let's wait to this on monday. Just have lindas team get it
rea.dy---
Thx
Allison Barber
Deputy Assistant Secretary of Oefense
From'
To,
<A1IJ.son.Bar er
Sent: Thu Feb 24 10:30:09 2005
SUbject: RE: book
The printer returned the disks when they dropped off the books. I gave them to Linda so
she could start working to post to the web. As you know. I am no ~omputer/graphics person
but I believe that her team can work off that.
~m!~0001is out sick with bronchitis until at least Monday (per doctor's orders) butI can
blackberry her and ask her where the disks are and whether someone on her team can make
some initial checks on the feasibility/ease of posting this.
As far as distribution, we got the cover letter back from Mr. Di Rita yesterday and I
typed labels and stuffed most of the day. The books to senior leadership in the building
went out with this morning's inside mail. It's about 75 people.
Dave Evans now has the electrons so his batch (about 55 mili.tary analysts and the cabinet
secretaries) is going out today.
Claude is still waiting for his letter to the members of Congress (535).
By my calculations we've earmarked about 690 to give away.
That gives us 300 left.
Allison I think it's your call on whether you want a second run.
;~~~~1~~N~~~~2~@~~01~~;~-~ASD-PA
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005
To: Barber, Allison, Cry, OASD-PA; OASD-PA
SUbject: RE: book
The pDF file was the disc we took to the printer. He was still working on it when we
left, so it is with him. we also made some additional corrections on it, so that is the
one we want.
OASD-PA / American Forces Press Service

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Pentagon
From: Barber, Allison, ClV, OASD-PA
;~~\~#~~~~0G;0SJG0j~~~~r~A;~:F~~~lM~t%illi01i00tGmS0I OASD-FA
Subject: Re: book
Good idea.
Do we have the pdf file for posting on the website when we are ready?
I doubt we have extras for ~%~~0M~out of this batch. Let'S see.

Thanks
Ab
Allison Barber
Deputy Assistant SecretarY of Defense
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Sent: Thu Feb 24 09:34:02 2005
Subject: book
Have you talked to Graphics and nAPS about saving the copy and artwork for the book in
case we want to order more? I don't know what their policY is, but 1 think it might be a
good idea to ask to be on the safe side. What do you think?
Also, [~~~§):kL:ii! tg;IX)/W;;;r1- - the State Dept. liaison here in ComRel - - asked me again about
copies. He said he could easily use about 500. I said I'd pass it along.
Thanks.
Press Service
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From: Oi Rita. Larry, CIV, OSO-OASO-PA
To: 'Dan Senor'
SUbject: RE:FW:
It felt to me like you and Tiki had something going there. Good chemistry. (-:
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> Watching you on FoX. Terrific as always. FYI, here is what m#IDW0)0J0tN
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> The United States speaks to a range of Iraqis. including some people
> who may have contact through intermed1ar1es with the insurgents (but
> not Zarqawi's group). But it is the Iraqi government that will decide
> to negotiate with the~ or not. The United States supports the Iraqi
> government in its efforts to persuade the insurgents to give up
> violence and to join the peaceful political process now underway in
> this country. An example of this is the Iraqi government'S successful
> efforts to end the Moqtada al-Sadr armed uprising of last summer and
> fall. We encourage all armed insurgents in Iraq to end their violence
> and join the democratic process.
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~#m8d let's discuss. Thanks, eric
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Sent: Thu Feb 10 17:28:45 2005
Subject: Images for SECDEF
Mr. Ruff please find attached picture video montage that USN Retired Captain Chuck Nash,
who participated in our brieifing wanted the SECDEF to look at. He sent two but only the
SECOND one works-- ··You have to copy and paste the link and it will take you to the
site.
The first one is not a working site-- but it may work on your computer. The second one
does work.
See below:
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PLease see the email below that I forwarded to a friend and neighbor. I would
appreciate it if you would forward· it to the Secretary. The videos are powerful as they
spell out clearly the sacrifice and the reward that makes that sacrifice so very noble.
See you at 09:45.
All the best,
Chuck
-------- Original Message -------

Subject: Mary; MUST see
Date: Wed, 02 Peb

2005 21:11:30 -0500
From: Chuck Nash cnashc
To: Mary Matalin cmmatali
Mary,
Two videos that the President and our national leadership MUST see. They are brief
but powerful .... look at them and you will surely agree. Both - in their own right - tell
the story of sacrifice and of courage.
http://206.152.229.l3/bobbyw4rns/Bobhy.wmv
last image - woman with face covered - only eyes exposed with a tear coming down - showing
her purple finger .... representing MILLIONS now and MILLIONS to come.
http://adamkeiper.blogs.com/comparevideo/files/Ira~Election.wmv
All the best,

Chuck
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Pursuant to your request, we found:

• Two U.S. papers (KC 8tm and Lexington Herald Leader) put (most) of "Pentagon
Seeking Leeway Overseas" in their print editions;
• Two Canadian papers that printed "original" articles citing the Post's work;
• Twelve Newspaper websites and one TV news website that republished the TysonIPriest
,·ol,
article online;
• Six news websites that published "original" articles citing the Post's work (all were
foreign);
• Military analyst David Grange characterized the initiative as aiming to "improve
flexibility" in discussing the article on CNN.'s Lou Dobbs Tonight program (transcript
and videocliyincluded); and
• A number ofblog comments (representative samples included). Those comments varied
only in the degree oftheir criticism of having the DoD take on the alleged new role.
.P RlNf CLIPS
Reprints:
Kansas City Star, p. A2 - Counterterror plan draws opposition - PARTIAL REPRINT
Lexington Herald Leader, p. A7 - Pentagon seeks new anti-terror operation; U.S.
FORCES COULD ACT WITHOUT EMBASSY OK - PARTIAL REPRlNT
Original:
Ottawa Citizen, Pg. A 11- Pentagon seeks to curb ambassadorial vetoes: Generals. not
diplomats. would decide whether to deeloy s.pecial forces
Press Trust oflndia - Pentagon eromoting forei2n operation plans without clearance
The Frontrunner· Peptagon Seeks Leeway Overseas For Special Ops Forces
Windsor Star (Ontario) - Rice opposes plan
Q,NLINE CLIPS:
Reprints:
Contra Costa Times - Pentagon seeks special leeway overseas
Fort Wayne Journal GaZette - Plan eases global-operations eath
Fort Worth Star Telegram - Plan would weaken ambassadors' authority
Houston Chronicle - Pentagon seeks leeway on overseas operations
Kansas City Star - Counterterror plan draws opposition
Kentucky.com - Pentagon seeks new anti-terror operation
Lexington Herald Leader - Pentagon seeks new anti-terror operation
MSNBC - More freedom sought for special forces
Omaha World Herald - Pentagon seeks to weaken envoys' power to decide on troops'
entry
Star Tribune Online - Pentagon seeks out more power overseas
The Standard, Hong Kong· Pentagon pushes for covert foreign raids
The Union Leader, NH - COVERT QPS: Pentagon see.ks leeway on overseaS
operatiom
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Troy Daily News, OH - Pentagon seeks leeway on overseas operations
Original:
ISN, Switzerland ~ Pentagon seeks more leeway in special ops

New Kerala, India· Pentagon promoting foreign olleration plans without clearance
Times oflndia, India ., The Pentagon wants to freelance
urukneUnfo, Italy - Covert Ops in Your Neighborhood
Xinhua, China - Pentagon seeks greater powers to cornbat terrorisrn
Presna Latina (Latin American news wire service) - Pentagon Seeks to Onerate without
Ambassadors" Knowledx;e
BROADCAST CLIPS
CNN - Lou Dobbs Tonight

February 24, 6:00 PM EST
Well, coming up, how special operations forces are taking on a larger role in U.S. Military
operations around it is globe. "Grange on Point" is next.
PILGRIM: In "GrWlge on Point" tonight, the increasing role of American special operations
troops in the global war on terror, the "The Washington Post" today reported, the Pentagon wants
to give special operations troops new flexibility to hunt down terrorists in foreign countries. The
Pentagon is also building up its human intelligence capabilities. Well, joining me from Chicago
to talk about that is General David Grange. Thanks for being with us, sir.
BRlG. GEN.. DAVID GRANGE (RET.), CNN MILITARY ANALYST: Thank you.
PILGRIM: What do you make of this report, it is a "The Washington Post" article. The Pentagon
is disputing certain points of it, but what do you think, in theory, of this plan?
GRANGE: Well, I think what is true, is that the U.S. special operating torces are trying to
improve the flexibility of their organizations. Any adaptability ofits personnel to actually
conduct operations around the world as it is today or into the future, not like it was.
PILGRIM: What sort of missions could you envision them doing?
GRANGE: Well, special operating forces, and they change from Green Beret Special forces to
Navy SEALS, to rangers, to counterterrorism forces. There's this ". every service has some type
of special operating force to add to quite an extensive capability of our country. The type of stuff
they would is, for instance, mainly reconnaissance. Reconnaissance of specific areas or areas in
general that future operations may take place.
And what they call this reconnaissance or other tactics is to shape an environment for future
operations. Special operating forces are an enabling for general purpose forces. They are a -
they can conduct operations unilaterally, but they also enable general purpose forces to
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accomplish their missions more successfully.
PILGRIM: Now the CIA, also, has paramilitary forces. How might you see this compete or work
with?
GRANGE: Well, hopefully not compete. Sometimes some of that goes on in the interagencies
our a government. The idea here is that they -- it would enhance the Department of Defense only,
not take the place of agency operations.
The agency has more of a covert, other words, hide the sponsor type of requirement. Where
military special operating forces have a more clandestine. In other words. they j ust hide the act.
like, they're sneaking into a place. They're parachuting in. They're swimming. whatever the case
may be. And so they're not going to compete. But it's very important that all of the governmental
agencies have a robust capability. And the type of enemies this country faces today, it's
essentially to our success.
PILGRIM: We're talking about counterinsurgency operations basically. One fine point on this,
and you just touched on this point, there's a discussion over whether there should be, what they
call, explicit concurrence of the U.S. ambassadors in those countries, that they know that they're
going in. Do you think that is quite an important point. isn't it?
GRANGE: Well, it is an important point. And the ambassador of a particular country is the
honcho. they're in charge. Now. what is probably happening is that the Department of Defense
and the Department of State is doing pre-approval of certain types of operations to streamline the
process. Because in today's environment, today's world, as fast as things happen, the military in
particular has to be able to do things quickly. And you can't wait weeks for an approval process
to take place. So they're front-ending, I would imagine. a Jot of these types of requests. And
they're giving a stamp of approval through the Department of State and those ambassadors in
those specific countries to OK those type of missions for special operating forces.
PILGRIM: General grange. do you think they're front-ending anything at this point? Anything
being planned that you could...
GRANGE: Oh, I think so, yes. And I would hope so. because it's prudent to stay ahead of the
enemy. And when you're dealing with places like, let's take Syria. I mean, they're training
terrorists right now in Syria to go into Iraq. And I would hope that we're doing something to
counter that. And one of the best tools that we have at our disposal is special operating forces.
PILGRIM: Thank you so much, General David Grange.
A Sampling of Blog comments about "Pentagon Seeking Leeway Overseas"
"Steve Gillard's News" blog:
But as Rummy builds his empire, and Bush and Rice remain mute, just envision this:
July. 2005: as a second day of riots engulfed Central Baghdad, the trial of the US commandos'
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caught inside Iran enters it second week. After being spotted by local farmers, the six man team
was tracked and caught in the suburbs of Tehran in April.
The more operations you run, the risk of embarrassment increases exponentially. Yellowfruit
comes to mind, Dick Marchinko also comes up. Both involved scandals with the US's most elite
units, Delta and SEAL Team Six (Dev Group), where money went missing. Well, you allow
these units off the leash, then you expect State and the CIA to clean up and keep the peace.
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"Another Day In Europe" blog:
Disregarding the squabble between the Pentagon and the State Department, consider what this.
means: Special Operations forces are covertly entering countries and conducting "military
operations," that is to say killing people the Pentagon doesn't like. Iran, Syria, Cuba, North
Korea, and other countries listed as "rogue regimes" come to mind.
In all fairness and the rhetoric of "terrorism" aside, if Special Operations forces started killing off
the Iranian mullahs and their supporters and Iranian covert agents entered the United States and
revenged these killings by assassinating U.S. officials, would there really be any room to
criticize the Iranians? Fair is fair, after all.
Problem here is, since these operations will be "covert," that is to say we will not know about
them since the Pentagon will have no accountability to Congress or the American people, any
revenge operations will be considered prima facie terrorism and serve as an excuse to attack Iran
or whatever country reacts in kind. Only knowing half the story-they attacked us unprovoked-the
American people will sign off on larger and more deadly military action.
"Minority Report" blog:
As if their ineptitude hadn't already reached epic proportions, the Pentagon is pushing hard not to
be held accountable by anyone, especially the State Department or the CIA.
"Just a Bump in the Beltway" blog:
We'll go where we wanna go, kill who we wanna kill, and f*$#@ you, host nation. we're the only
hyperpower in the world. Eat our dust. We are the champions of the world. Bow down and
acknowlege us or be crushed.
"Just World News" blog
The check and balance system with the ambassador does not work when he is an evil person like
Negroponte, but it is still better than giving military special ops carte blanche. Good grief, they
are mad. I used to be in the US foreign service and I hope to hell that Foggy Bottom pulls out all
the stops in getting this insane idea rejected
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Sent: Thursday, February 10. 2005 11:56 AM
To: Ruff, Eric, SES. OASD·PA: Whkman, Bryan. SES, OASD-PA
SUbject: FYI
Hannlty and Calmes Is having Jed Babbln on today to talk about North Korea, not sure If this Is a trend you folkS are
seeIng but Just wanted to give you a heads up, We are getting Jed a one pager on the status of forces in the Korean
Peninsula (the message being, we stili have a massive deterrent there for NK). We will also put him into touch with State
for talking points on the 6 party talks.
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To: Stavridis, James, VADM, OSD
,Cc: Rhynedance, George, COL, OASD·PA

Subject: Re: [Fwd: Mary: MUST see)
Much simpler. will do. Thanks. Eric
-----original Mesaage----
From: Stavridis, James, VADM, OSD <Jim.Stavridis
Sent: Thu Feb 03 14:35:01 2005
Subject: RE: [FWd: Mary: MUST see]
Just send up a video with both of them on there ...
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 1;42 PM
To: Stavridis, James, VADM, OSO
Cc: Pi Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA; CIV, OSP
Subject: FW; [Fwd: Mary: MUST see]
Importance: High
jim, at the analysts briefing today capt. nash mentioned these two videos to the secdef,
who said he wanted to see them. thanks, eric
Eric,
For the Secretary. The first is about a Marine causality and emotionally shows the
personal burden of sacrifice WITH HONOR .... the second is the uplifting video that shows
the RESULTS of that sacrifice. They are a compelling view. That 1000 of this nation'S
best have sacrificed their lives and tens of millions NOW are free and millions more will
certainly follow, just makes their sacrifice and that of their loved ones more noble.
All the best,
Chuck
http://206.152.229.13/bobbywarns/Bobby.wmv
last image - woman with face covered - only eyes exposed with a tear coming down - showing
ner purple finger .... representing MILLIONS now and MILLIONS to come.
http://adamkeiper.blogs.com/comparevideo/files/Ira~Election.wmv
All the best.

ChUck
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Subject: chuck Nash (accept) Ri....er Entrance Spotl/guard
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Subject:
Attachments: Military Analyst Coverage -Iraq 020105.doc
Military Analyst
Coverage - Ir...
TV Broadcast Summary:
Analysts Tommy Franks. Jed Babbin, Don Shepperd, Montgomery Meigs and Jack Jacobs were all teatured on
national news stations (Fox News. CNN and MSNBC). Generally speaking, all agreed that the election was not
as violent as expected and that the Iraqi security forces and American troops did a very good job. Several
analysts alluded to the fact that there will be more danger ahead. The analyst mood was positive as Iraqi events
unfolded.
Print/Online/Radio Summary:
Military analysts' discussion of Sunday's election in print, online and radio outlets was minimal, limited
to accounts quoting William Nash and Bob Scales. General Nash was featured on NPR before and
during the election process (January 30 th ) while Bob Scales was quoted in The Baltimore Sun .
(reprinted by The South Florida Sun Sentinel) on keeping troops safe in Iraq. In addition, a
Washington Times reader wrote a letter to the paper commenting on Scales' Op-Ed piece from
earlier in the week on the need to raise troop levels.
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The attached memo provides information on what each analyst said and how often they appeared on
television.
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From: 01 Rita, Larry, CIV, OSO-OASD-PA
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11 :45 AM
To: Rhynedance, George, COL,OASD-PA
Subject: RE: 1sense we are disconnected....
.Separate out members of congress from pundits.
You're missing a lot or members of congress. Get the list of people thEiI helped out just before xmas from matt latimer.
Domenici, sessions, cornyn, kyl, etc.
I don'l know who babbib is Probably jed babbin.
TaKe off scooter libbey, colin powell, and george tenet.
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Sent: Tuesday, February 01,2005 11:38 AM
To: Df Rita, Larry, crv, OSD-OAStrPA
Subject: RE: I sense we are disconnected•...
The list I cobbled together based on recent snowflake traffic includes:
Saunders
Blankley
Fowler
Greener
Laird
Podhoretz
Gingricn
Novak
Fuelner
Gaffney
. Kyl
Edward Rozek
RysKind
Victor Davis Hanson
Clarke
MacKinnion
Schneider
Chris Williams
Members of the:
DPB
DSB
DBB
Babbib
Colin Powell
Tenet
Scooter Libby
I have only sent articles that the SecDef wanted out, as communicated in snowflakes. You've seen all of them,
news articles. very supportive. Copies here at my desk. Have been sending regularly to Laird as directed, but he
gets a little more... talking points and SUCh.
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Rhynedance, George, COL, OASD-'PA
RoE: 1 sense we ilre disconnecteo....
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I don't know how to slice and dice it, but there has been a group of stalwarts that should be getting more than I
a fax across their transom everyday.
Even if we put together a package now and then and accompanied it by a letler from me or Dan Stanley to
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give it a little higher profile.
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Let me see that list again, and try to give me a sense of what we have sent them recently.
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Thanks.
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from: Rhynedance, George, COL, OASD-PA
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To: Di Rita, Larry, av, OSD-OASD-PA
Subject: I sense we are disconnected....
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...on the SDs "list of supportive folks." We have taken a bunch - maybe a dozen - snowflakes recently
instructing us to add this person or that person and to send things to "the group... I have sent you a list I
that describes who I think those folks are· about 19. Your sense of it waS that the list was about right.
In response to other, more recent snowflakes, J have added a few others since. Now as more I
snowflakes come down, r hear thaI LA Is using a list to send these specific items to a much more
extensive list of members of Congress thinking they are being responsive to the desires of the SD. I
Recall, the list I described above included MOCs, reporters, members of DSB,DBB, OPS, formers,
etc. I want to make sure we clearly communicate what list things should go to and make sure that you
understand what "list" thing are going to. I don't think every positive article we come across or feel the I
need to promulgate a little. needs to go to all the Republican members of Congress. or all the SASe
members, etc. f think we need a discreet and exclusive list in which to send discreet and exclusive I
correspondence. What say you?
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From:
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Thought you might be interested in this article.
Iraq's Election Day

By Jed Babbtn <MaIlTo;editor@spect~tor,org>
Published 1/31/200512:09:34 AM
Yesterday, for the first time in their history, Iraqis went to the polls to exercise one of the most
basic rights of a free people. They voted despite the U.N.'s failure to help, despite liberals' predictions
of disaster, and -- most importantly -- despite the terrorist declaration that democracy cannot exist in
an Islamic society. The leader of al Oaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab aJ-Zarqawi. declared that those who
vote in democratic elections are "apostates," the Islamic term for those who violate Islam's laws and
advocate competing religions. Zarqawi's meaning was clear: that Islam requires its believers to
accept religious dictators as their only legitimate leaders. When the Iraqis went to the polls in droves
-- many losing their lives to do it - they rejected Zarqawi's message and opened a gaping wound in
the jihadist ideology.
The Iraqi election is a milestone in the war against terrorism, but whether it is a major victory won't be
known for years to come. Yesterday's election was only to select a provisional national assembly
(and leadership) that will, over the next year, draft a permanent constitution for Iraq that will be
presented to the voters. Whether the assembly succeeds, or whether the insurgents prevent it, are
still open questions. But the turnout among Iraqi voters -- something over 70% -- shows that the
insurgents do not have the popular support that's necessary for them to win.
No matter how many times Ted Kennedy, Barbara Boxer, and John Kerry insist otherwise, Iraq looks
more like 1945 Germany than 1972 Vietnam. One of the reasons we've had so little success in .
establishing effective Iraqi security forces has been the fact that before soldiers and policemen will
risk their lives, there must be a somethjng for them to swear loyalty to. Until yesterday, there was
nothing in Iraq for them to swear allegiance to other than the tribal, ethnic, and religious groups that
have comprised Iraq from its bIrth, or the American-appointed Allaw; government. Now, even though
the national assembly js temporary, it is Iraqi: chosen by Iraqi voters themselvesand not appointed
by an outside power or imposed by a home-grown despot. It is such things that soldiers and
policemen can claim to be their own and willingly risk their lives to defend. Difficulties remain, but one
of the biggest obstacles to creating a serf·sustaining and self-protecting Iraq has just been overcome.
IT WOULD BE AN ENORMOUS mistake for us to withdraw from Iraq, or even establish a date to do
so. On Sunday evening I had the bizarre pleasure of debating this point on MSNBC with Rep. lynn
Woolsey (D-Calif. Need you even ask?) who said that we need to take our soldiers out of Iraq now
and let Iraq's neighbors come in to help. This member of the Democrats' Von Braun Caucus
apparently thinks that Syria, Iran. and Saudi Arabia are chafing at the bit to help Iraqi democracy rise
above the Halliburton-driven U.S. occupation. She thinks the terrorists won't be mad at us anymore if
we replace our troops with peacekeepers and humanitarian aid workers. Fortunately, no one outside
of northern California knows or cares who Ms. Woolsey is, far less what she thinks.
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The insurgents -- now unable to escape the label"enemy of the Iraqi people" -- are still supported by
Syria, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. Those despotisms realize that their days are numbered jf Iraqi
democracy succeeds. They will become increasingly desperate to make the Iraqi democracy fail, and
we will have to be in Iraq to protect it from them for the foreseeable future. President Bush is correct
in saying that the election creates momentum behind the Iraqi democracy experiment. But
momentum can be lost if we quit too soon. That is one of the central points we will hear on
Wednesday when Mr. Bush delivers his State of the Union address, And it is one that the Democrats
and their holy of holies - the U.N. -- can't bring themselves to answer.
President Bush will call for more nations to come to the aid of the fledgling Iraqi democracy. He will
praise the sacrifices of our real allies, challenge the U.N. and all its members to support freedom with
economic aid, with engineers. construction crews, and all those things needed to put Iraq on its feet.
They will smile politely, applaud feebly, and again ignore his call to action.
Yesterday, on Meet the Press, John Kerry said over and over again that the road to success in Iraq
depends on our obtaining the support of the "international community," by which he means the U.N.
and Old Europe. President Bush realizes .- as the American people did In choosing to reelect him -
that we cannot depend on the EUnuchs and the despots and dictators who make up three-quarters
of the U.N.'s membership to do anything to fight terrorists and the nations that back them. 'To take
any risk to support democracy in Iraq would be too much for Kofi Annan, because he doesn't want
President Bush to succeed in what Annan called an "illegal war," The U.N. and Old Europe are too
busy to help. The first thing On their agenda is still constraining the United States in this war.
Convincing them -- or the democrats -- to do otherwise is simply impossible.
THE PRESIDENT WILL SOON ASK Congress for a supplemental appropriation of $80 billion for
Iraq. (Five billion of it is for the State Department's efforts there which are, to be charitable, hard to
discern.) The Democrats will fight against the appropriation, seeking to leverage some plan for
withdrawal of our forces before the job is done. They have obviously missed the lesson the election
taught former senator Tom Daschle: obstructionism is not a policy. But they will obstruct as best they
can, on the funding for the war and on everything else the President seeks to do.
George Bush can't win the global war against terrorism by the time he leaves office in 2009. But he
can -- as the Iraqi election proves -- make enormous progress toward victory. In his State of the
Union speech, the president should issue a call to all Islamic nations to follow the example of Iraq.
The sooner those nations are rid of jihad ism and religious dictatorships -- by us or by their own
peoples -- the sooner the war against terrorists and their ideology will be won. There is every reason
to be skeptical that the Islamic nations can reform themselves. But as more of their people see what
freedom looks like, the momentum the President sees in Iraq will grow, and -- so long as we stand
ready to help -- grow fastest in places where it is least welcome.
TAS contributing editor jed Babbin is the author of Inside the Asylum: Why the UN and Old
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MILITARY ANALYST COVERAGE
IRAQI ELECTIONS
Print/Online/Radio Summary:
Military analysts' discussion of Sunday's election in print, online and radio outlets was
minimal, limited to accounts quoting William Nash and Bob Scales. General Nash was
featured on NPR before and during the election process (January 30th ) while Bob Scales
was quoted in The Baltimore Sun (reprinted by The South Florida Sun Sentinel) on
keeping troops safe in Iraq. In addition, a Washington Times reader wrote a letter to the
paper commenting on Scales' Op~Ed piece from' earlier in the week on the need to raise
troop levels.
William Nash (NPR)

• Iraqi troops "doing their duty" and enforcing security well
• Statements made about U.S. troops pulling out within 18 months "may be
ambitious, but it's a good start."
• Nash emphasized the importance ofthe U.S. supporting, not leading efforts for
the new Iraq, and avoiding being asked to leave Iraq.
Bob Scales (Baltimore SWl - print/online)

• The Sun piece described the Pentagon's plans to take U.S. soldiers from their own
units and add them to Iraqi units.
• Scales: "It (embedding with Iraqi units) would put our troops' safety at risk, as
they'd be more vulnerable to insurgent attacks."
• The key here is to quickly solidify the Iraqi troops as a standalone force from U.S.
troops.
TV Broadcast Summary:
Analysts Tommy Franks, Jed Babbin, Don Shepperd, Montgomery Meigs and Jack
Jacobs were all featured on national news stations (Fox News, CNN and MSNBC).
Generally speaking, all agreed that the election was not as violent as expected and that
the Iraqi security forces and American troops did a very good job. Several analysts
alluded to the fact that there will he more danger ahead. The analyst mood was positive
as Iraqi events unfolded.
Representative remarks per analyst are as follows:
Tommy Franks (Fox News - Hannity & Colmes / Fox & Friends)
• Troops feel great about what they've done in relation to the elections
• Any election in the Arab world is a "big deal"
• This is the first practical example of democracy in the Arab world
• Does not agree with comments made by Senator Kerry and Senator Kennedy
• He is proud of the work troops have done
• Last thing you want to do is announce your "timetable" for withdrawal
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Jed Babbio (MSNBC Live Coverage - Iraqi Elections)

• Withdrawal from Iraq is "Simply the worst thing we could do" .
• Withdrawal would strengthen the terrorists and weaken the Iraq people
• .We have to look at the bigger picture, we have to deal with all the Jihadist nations
that are influencing Iraq
DOD Shepperd (CNN Live From....)

• What we did in the run up to the election made a big difference (Le. controlling
.traffic flow around polling areas)
• There were extensive offensive operations to stop terrorist before voting took
place especially in relation to foreign insurgents
• This weekend was very stressful for coalition forces
• It was very important for the Iraqis to pull this off
Montgomery Meigs (MSNBC Live Coverage - Iraqi Elections)

• Events in Iraq have gone surprisingly well
• It is a very tough process in inventing a new government
• We will see more Iraqi forces come on board with fewer American troops
• We will have to watch how Sunnis are brought into the process
• Doesn't think the coalition will change after the vote
• Need to continue to watch insurgents from Syria and Iran
Jack Jacobs (MSNBCLive Coverage - Iraqi Elections)

• Highlighted "hot spots" in Iraq in real-time during the polling process
• Jacobs, during the polling, predicted high voter turnout
• Security expectations were "managed well"
• Provided an overview of how insurgents might inflict violence during the vote
• Said the training of Iraqi forces by the U.S. military was key
• Questioned whether "two Iraqs" would arise until the next ejection in October
(religious and cultural divides a potential after Sunday's election)
WHERE THE ANALYSTS APPEARED
III TomlDY Franks
• Montgomery Meigs
DJed Bobbin
DJack Jacobs
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To the editor:
Your story "A Grim March of Missteps" is scurrilous nonsense. It is flat wrong to say
that General Abizaid was rebuffed in a request for more U.S. forces for Iraq, and your
inability to get even a background quote on the matter suggests it is rumor dressed up as
fact.
The troop levels in Iraq have fluctuated up or down based upon the military assessments
of commanders and after review by the Chainnan of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the
Secretary of Defense. Your poorly sourced, poorly researched, poorly supported article
does a disservice to the commanders and to the Secretary of Defense.
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From: [~?f~r;"N(i't; !;// )E'fl

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Sent: Monday. January 31, 20052:32 PM
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~~%~1;:"1 allison says we have a time for the military analysts/think tankers on thursday. yes?
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I need to know if we have anyone that we have invited or plan to invite for Wed 2 Feb lunch w/SecDef? Pis let me
know - thanks,
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From: DI Rita, Larry, CIV. OSD-OASD-PA

Sent: Monday, January 31. 2005 6:45 AM
To: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA.
Cc: Rhynedance, George, COL, OASD-PA
SUbject: FW: Response to IG Report
Attachments: CPA lG REPORT.doc
CPA IG
~EPORT.doc (31 KB:
Dan pulled these together. I note cnn is starting to run some stories on it,
so we ought to get these points into the mix.
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Sent: sunda I Januar 30, 2005 9:07 PM
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smccor wilkinsonj i
Subject: Response to IG Report
Attached is a detailed set of points responding to the CPA IG Report.
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From: 2;,; AFIS-HQ/PIA £~f~lj;i,'~~9%f;;Xij1fMi;;:F;i:~,,',," :;;:'j}tl
Sent: urs ay=,J'f"a=nu":'a'ry 27, 2005 5:22 PM
To: Ruff, Eric. CIV. OASD·PA; Barber, Allison, CIV. OASD·PA; Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PA;
Kec Ga Col OASD·PA; Whit S. OASD·PA
Cc: 'fIiLtCol, OASD-PA; .i:'§i:i!: FIS-HQfCNS; AFIS-
Subject: Topics discussed by military analysts since the budget-related ca 1/ earlier this week
Attachments: Analyst Broadcast Coverage - Jan. 25-27.doc
Analyst Broadcast
Coverage - J••,
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Sent: Th r anua 27, 2005 1ii:a""9,;,,p,;;;M~==
To:
Cc:
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Subject: RE: Analysts at news conferences
good question the process usually works like this .. our comptroller Or sUbject matter expert is asked by me to conduct a
conf call. we would then call the analysts and invite them to be on the call. If heidi would like to send us a list of folks we
might consider, we can run those names by folks here to make sure it is the appropriate group.
we already have a list of analysts compiled but we can look at tier list and see if there are additions we should make.
at that time, we will email and call folks to invite them on the call.
does that help?
thanks
ab
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Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 ~1:'m0iVc6±P~M~==
To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; fB~~~'l:iW~!! ii;;:::i; S!;1 LtCol, OASD-PA
Cc: ~m~i§'Xt,,):/:;Yi<'n CN, OASD-PA
So, should ~~%?oM;H;}W;}:' W~all you to set up something where they can ask questions afterward?
Thanks.
hi folks
just fyi, it might be helpful for folks to know that when we do a briefing in the press studio, we carfY the enitre thing
in real time at www.pentagonchannel.mil that is a great way for folks in nyc to hear the briefing in total.
in addition, if dod folks want to cjo a call with analysts, we are happy to facilitate that which is another great way for
folks to ask questions from our subject matter experts. those calls are usually done on background so they are not
done for reporting purposes -- although it doesn't seem like that is what you are expecting.
i think for the immediate Issue, folks might check their computer systems to make sure you can stream the
pentagon channel -- so you cOIn see the briefings.
hope ttl is helps
ab
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From: OSD-ATL
sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 12:57 PM
To:Wi&JlY;::'Y,'\)'/iLtcol,OASD-PA
Cc: Barber, Allison, elV, OASD-PA
Su bject: RE: Analysts at news conferences
Sorry, but I'm a little confused.
First, let me clarify that I would never ask you to do anything illegal or even untenable I \ think you know that,
but wanted to clarify, just so there is not miscommunication. It is my understanding -- as a former journalist.
former press secretary on Capitol Hill and from earning my MBA and working in banking .- that once'
information is released to the media for publication/broadcast It is no longer "insider information," that is when
it becomes "public information."
And if it is being broadcast live, then can't the Wall Street analysts just watch it on
www.pentagonchannel.com? Can we sign them up for the emaHs to be alerted to the time? I think the only
thing missing there is that they would like to ask someone questions. However, being able to view live is better
than nothing.
I'm also not sure what you are calling a "military analyst. II The Wall Street analysts call themselves military
analysts. because that is their specialty. Are you talking about a specialty subgroup of reporters? I should
know the terminology here for the future.
Lastly, are you asking that I put Ms. Wood in touch with Ms. Barber, or that Ms. Barber will be calling Ms.
Wood (her information is at the bottom of this email)? I'm happy to do either, but just wasn't clear on what, if
anything, I need to do next to keep this moving.
Thanks, again, for all of your help, and for your quick response I
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From: $t)fti:1S@)jzlli;JLtCol, OASD-PA
To~~{~!W{;;i:i;f>U;FfUi;{iHI OSD-ATL
Cc: Barber, Allison, elV, OASD-PA
Hi mf~~Mtl
Please know that there Is talk about briefing military analysts ahead of time, but that has not been
solidified. The government, as well as DOD, cannot give out insider information to companies like Morgan
Stanley ....we will be joining Martha Stewart, if that is the case,
The on-the-record press conference is 7 Feb. It is for media only, It is likely to be broadcast live, because
there is so much interest. The transcript of the broadcast will also be posted that evening on
www.defenselink.mil
Ms. Alison Barber is the point of contact for special interest groups like this. I have copied her in this e·
mail.
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LtCo(,
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of([)efensefor (£Ju6ftc .:Affairs
Fonowing up to our earlier phone discussion, several Wall Street analysts met with Mr. Wynne a
couple of weeks ago and asked jf they could attend news conferences along with the media
particularly the big ones like the Feb. 8 budget roll out. They want to have Ihe same information at the
same time as the media, and not have to walt until the next day, getting only the information and spin
the media choose to report.
You said that you thought the media room mighi be filled by reporters for the budget roll-out. however,
a second room might be opened for analysts and a pre-brief made available. If so, this group that met
with Mr. Wynne has a "leader" of sorts, Heidi Wood of Morgan stanley in NYC, who would like to
attend, preferably with 5-10 others, but she is prepared to attend alone and send back the info to her
group.
However, she said another option is a conference call. She said her group of about 20 analysts who
each have been covering aerospace and defense for 10-30 years would just as soon be on a
conference call for the pre-brief, as well as hear the news conference, then be given an opportunity to
ask questions at some point. This would probably be better logistically for both DoD and the analysts
who are based in NYC and are dealing with earnings statements now through the date of the DoD
budget conference.
Is that a possibility?
Would you, or the person deciding what to do regarding analysts like to speak directly to Heidi? If so,
I attached her contact information below. If you prefer I be the one 10 contact her, that's fine, too.
Please keep me posted on what is decided •• both for the bUdget news conference, as well as future
news conferences. .
your help on this,
Heidi Wood
Morgan Stanley
1585 Broadway
New York. NY 10036
is
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From:· f~{~~0:t:{;0i7tfY')<;ffi)1 Capt. USMC, OASD-PA

Sent: Thursday, January 27,200512:30 PM
Subject: FW: FY 06 bUQget roll out
Sir, the sort of strateglzing thoughts In your email below are very helpful for me to understand and learn. When It Is
appropriate and you are comfortable and willing to share this type of dialogue with me, I would very much appreciate a
BCC. Thanks for your consideration sir.
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Sent:
To: ~~::naJ: ~~~~~ s~c~~S~~t§~0,j';:;;"J SAF/M;f~l~~1i:W~$!W\,:jbv
SAF/US
Cc: 01 Rita, Larry, ClV, OSO·OASD-PA; Jonas, Tina, MS, OSO-COMPT; Rhynedance, George, all, OASD-?A
Subject: FY 06 budget rol\ out
Gentlemen, as part of this year's budet roll out it would be terrific if you could participate in a
background briefing for the military analysts -- the group that provides newspaper and television
commentary. The budget will be announced by the President and sent to Congress on Monday, Feb.
7. OSD practice is to provide embargoed (hold until introduced by the President) briefings to the
Pentagon press corps and to the military analysts, and we anticipate doing so again this year.
Ideally, you and the service chief or vice chief could brief the analysts this time around because we
are hoping to provide real context about the nature of this budget. It is a document that we hope to
frame as much more than the usual programmatic funding levels document. Understanding that
people will always look at funding numbers, we hope to persuade the analysts and media to see this
budget from another perspective, that of a meaningfUl stab at shifting the military in a historically new
philosphical direction, a direction that is required by the realities of the world today_
In briefing the analsyts, a discussion about your services' respective transformational needs and how
those needs are addressed in this in budget would be beneficial to create a fuller understanding of
this FY 06 submission. We are holding open Wednesday, Feb. 2. or Thursday, Feb. 3 for the
briefing, but obviously will do it at your convenience. In the ideal situation, we will conduct back-to
back-to-back briefings over one time slot, here in the building. We are hoping to brief the military
analysts ahead of the media because we expect reporters Will go to the analysts for additional
thoughts about the DOD budget.
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From: Rhynedance, George, COL,OASD-PA
Sent: Thursday, January 27,200511:44 AM
Subject: RE: FY 06 bUdget roll out
Just a remionder that ADM Myers would like to speak to you on this
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Prvm: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
Sent: 'Thursday, January 27,20058:48 AM
To: Rhynedance, George, COL, OASQ·PA
Subjed:: RE: FY 06 budget roll out
I'm happy to call. t and i discussed this yesterday. j think we talk with t first and i will do that. either he or i will talk to
adm myers. thanks.
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Prvm: Rhynedance, George, COL., OASD-PA
Sent: Thursdav, January 27, 2005 8:23 AM
To: Ruff, Eric, 5ES, OASD-PA
Subjed:: RE:FY 06 bUdget roll out
Took a call from Adm Myers at SecNav office ~~I(~iki;n>;;<N They don't understand the value of this effort, nor whal
your expectation is, and they are a bit reticent to agree. He would like to discuss in more detail. He also asked If
you were In touch with the CHINFO (RADM McCreary).
GR
From: Ruff, EriC, SES, OASD-PA
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To:
Tuesday, JilnLIiIrY 25, 2005 5:1.2 P M " r U
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England, Gordon SECNAV FO;r~).(~)'i'»)Y;ii;inn SN/AA;';·i.;):k';'snnw Iv SAF/US
ee: DI Rita, Larry, CIV, OSO-OASD-PA; Jonas.1'If1a, Ms, OSO-CDMF'T; Rhynedance, George, COL, OASD·PA
SUbjed:: FY 06 bUdget roll out
Gentlemen, as part of this year's budet roll out it would be terrific if you could participate in
a background briefing for the military analysts -- the group that provides newspaper and
television commentary. The budget will be announced by the President and sent to
Congress on Monday, Feb. 7. OSD practice is to proVide embargoed (hold until
introduced by the President) briefings to the Pentagon press corps and to the military
analysts, and we anticipate doing so again this year.
Ideally, you and the service chief or vice cbief could brief the analysts this time around
because we are hoping to provide real context about the nature of this bUdget. It is a
document that we hope to frame as much more than the usual programmatic funding levels
document. Understanding that people will always look at funding numbers, we hope to
persuade the analysts and media to see this budget from another perspective, that of a
meaningful stab at shifting the military in a historically new philosphicaldirection. a
direction that is required by the realities of the world today.
In briefing the analsyts, a discussion about your services' respective transformational

needs and how those needs are addressed in this in budget wOLIId be beneficial to create a
fuller understanding of this FY 06 submission. We are holding open Wednesday, Feb. 2,
or Thursday, Feb. 3 for the briefing, but obviously will do it at your convenience. In the
ideal situation, we will conduct back-to-back-to-back briefings over one time slot, here in
the building. We are hoping to brief the military analysts ahead of the media because we
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expect reporters will go to the analysts for additional thoughts about the DOD budget.
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"'This analysis is as of Ipm on January 2ih• As of this time, we were not able to locate
media clips for McCausland, Vallely, Garrett, Meigs, W. Nash, and C. Nash. Here are
the themes (and hyperlinks) discussed by the other analysts since their participation in the
call earlier this week. Note: Mr. Babbin's are the only comments we found regarding the
DoD budget.
BOB SCALES
Fox News ~- Special Report

01125/0518:21:44
• Discussion of Americans going out in special units with Iraqi forces
• Shifting of power to Iraqis so that they can fight on their own
• Discussed General Luck's findings
• U.S. troops are going from a security mission to a training mission
• Our military being "stretched thin"
• Equipment is beginning to wear out and soldiers are going into their third
rotations, we will have to shift power soon
• Discussion of spy units within Pentagon
Fox News
On the Record With Greta Van Susteren
01126/05 22: 12:45
• Discussion of helicopter crash
• Iraqi guards going from 46 to 60, therefore, more ofan' Iraqi military presence
• Starting to see foreign insurgents go down
• We will be in Iraq for a very long time
JEDBABBIN
Fox News -- The O'Reilly Factor

01/26/0504:03:42
• "I don't think you can put an artificial time or an artificial amount on it, bill. If
you're going to say let's cut the $80 billion in half, what are you going to cut?"
• We can't impose artificial deadlines
• Congress should look at the war on an installment plan rather than cutting it
arbi trari ly
• Need to focus on people trained and get armor where we need it, etc.
• Cannot say that we are going too pull out at a particular time...don't want to give
enemy a timeline .
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• Once election process happens then you will see training speed up because then
you will have an Iraqi government and structure
DON SHEPPERD
Headline News
01/~6/05 14:02:16
• Discussed insurgent strategy to prevent Iraqis from attending polling stations
• US military is restricting traffic flow around polling areas; this is a "smart move"
CNN
Live From ...
01126/0514:14:17
• Troops going to be spread thin
• Doing offensive against insurgents by identifying and confronting them
• The U.S. has to count on Iraqi forces, however, there is no way to "quickly" turn
out effectively trained Iraqis
• "There will be a large turn out for the election"
• Sunnis will think the election is a farce but the rest of the country will see it as
valid
CNN
Live From...
OV26/0515:14:11
• "I would tell my family to go vote 'as a matter of courage' but I would also tell
them it will be dangerous"
• Two different types of training:
o Helping Iraqi forces identify insurgents, IEDs, mortar attacks, etc.
o Providing Iraqi forces with quick response teams
• Insurgents will try to have mass casualties with bombers in voting lines
• North and South will be safe but Sunni area will be dangerous
Headline News
01/26/0518:47:19
• Iraqis will need courage to vote especially because of insurgent intimidation
• The U.S. is trying to assure voters that they will be safe
• U.S. troops' goal is to keep insurgents from polling places to begin with
• Will be an imperfect election but Iraq must get through it
• U.S. troops will do the best they can to keep the elections safe
• Would like to see the U.S. train Iraqi troops as quickly as possible
• Referenced the 2 nd election which will set-up Iraqi constitution and how the
violence will continue at least until then
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Headline News
01127/05 06:47:54
• Speculated on the cause of the helicopter crash

• Unlikely that the helicopter crash is insurgent related
• Probabl y won't be 100% safe to vote across the entire country
• Will be enough troops to help some security issues
• Insurgents are making threats to Iraqi civilians
• Will have morl;' violence in post-elections, especially since this is just the first
vote for a transition government
• Believes some troops will be withdrawn next year
• Important that the Iraqis take over the security role
CNN
Live From...
01127/05 14:32:31
• Discussion of voting and the ethnic breakdown in Iraq (referring to a map of Iraq)
• Points out Sunni area that will be the primary threat area with low polling
numbers and Shi'ite area that will have high voting numbers
STEVE GREER
. Fox News
01/27/0510:34:43
• Discussion of helicopter crash and the effects of sandstorms in Iraq on operations
• Upcoming elections and key polling stations (showed image ofIraq with the main
polling/election cities)
• Quick reaction forces will try and cover most of the polling stations
• Curfew system is in place and there will be a limitation on vehicle movement
• 1breat will primarily be suicide bombers and random gun fire
• The Shi'ites are beginning to realize that this is their chance to take power and
they will help troops with security to make it successful.
• In general, Iraqis will more than likely also ignore incidents in order to get their
votes counted
JACK JACOBS
MSNBC -- MSNBC News Live
01126/05 13:36:00
• Discussion of the helicopter crash and whether or not the group killed were
special forces
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• "A large proportion of our view of the security situation in Iraq is going to be
governed by what happens this Sunday"
• We will have our hands full keeping Iraq secure during the elections
MSNBC -- MSNBC News Live

01/26/0515:15:29
• Discussion of troop morale in relation to the helicopter crash
• Al Qaeda may have some effect in the Swmi triangle
• Farther away from the triangle you get the less effect insurgent activity will have
on polling activities
• The President is probably setting the stage for pulling our troops back but, at the
same time, setting expectation that we will have some troops in Iraq for quite
some time "
• The Anny's primary focus after the first election will be to train the Iraqi forces
MSNBC -- Lester Holt Live

01/26/05 17:46:49
+Multiple airings on MSNBC on the helicopter crash
• Helicopter crash was more than likely weather related
• Discussion of the recovery effort and the type of terrain
• Helicopter was probably on an "administrative run"
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From~ "#E~~"f:':"5i\"",,)~iX;JltCOI,OASD-PA
Sent: ry 27,200510:40 AM
To: AFIS-HQ/PIA
Cc: RUff. E,ic, SES, OASD-PA
SUbject: RE: Military Analysts
Thank you, Sir.
Mr. Ruff is looking for any updates you might have.
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Subject; RE: Military Analysts
We are working this - we haven't seen anything ye~ but will have a clearer picture in the
morning. We are also looking at how much coverage has come out of the Feith/Defense
Writers Group session.
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Analysts
Actually, is the person you need to talk to (cc'd). He is tracking that.
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Sen January 26, 2005 2:36 PM
To: . ........•...:'.': .•~\".":J CIV, OASD - PA
Subject: Military Analysts
Hi [~'~WM1:1;r~1
This is a stab in the dark ...
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Mr. Ruff is asking if any of the analysts went out with what they learned
yesterday.
I do oot know if we track that type of information ... any thoughts?
Ltcol [~%wt(';"HX' ;'}/X:';:;; %/1 r;,t'W'I~:J USMC

Office of the Assist~nt secretary of Defense for Public Affairs
Phone
Fax:
~~~~#~S0~S~BS0s880N~~~o~~'o~~~~pi1:59 AM
Subject: RE; Service Topline Input: S: 1330 TODAY· 21 JAN 05
(UNCLASSIFIED)
Importance; High
see below.

Colonel John Garrett (USMC. Retired)
Colonel Jeff McCausland, (uSA, Retired)
General Montgomery Meigs (USA. Retired)
General William L. Nash (USA, Ret ired)
Major General Robert H. scales, Jr. (USA, Retired)
Major General Perry Smith (USAF, Retired)
Tentative ~ Awaiting Confirmation
Admiral Dennis C. Blair (USN, Retired)
Commander Peter Brookes (USN, Reserve)
Lieutenant General Buster Glosson (USAF, Retired)
Brigadier General David L.Grange (USA, Retired)
General William 1". "BUCk." Kernan (USA, Retired)
Admiral Thomas Joseph Lopez (USN, Retired)
General Glen K. otis (USA, Retired) - not avail.
a.t 1600
Mr. Wayne Simmons (USN, Retired)
General Charles E. wilhelm
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From: LtCol, OASD-PA

Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 11:56 AM
To: Ruff. Eric, SES, DASD-PA
Subject: Re: Service Topline Input: S: 1330 TODAY - 21 JAN 05
(UNCLASSIFIED)
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From:
Sent:
To:
Subject:
Hl guys gen lute wants to do the military analysts call at ~oam. Please pulse our telks to
see if they are interested in talking to him. He is the deputy director of operations at
centcem and will talk about security and Our troops mission.
Thanks
Ab
Allison Barber
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From: Barber. Allison. C1V, OASD-PA

Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 20054:55 PM
To: Ruff. Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan. SES, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: PAU LA ZAHN/PUN DITS
tappan is fine with it pam stevens Is worrIed that the story will only be the helo crash .. which i said was fine it actually
happened! she was okay with it...
anyway, we are ready to execute inthe morning .. if we decide to do the call.
thanks
ab
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sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 1:03 PM
To: Barber, Allison, ClV, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan, SE5, OASD-PA
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Subject: RE: PAULA ZAHN/PUNDITS
j'd be inclined to do it but we need to maKe sure rob tappan is aware we are considering it. i can't imagine they would
have a problem but we need to touch the bases. thanks, eric
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do we want to do this???
thanks
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Subject: FW: PAUlA ZAHN/PUNDITS
~~aJ~~Wii:"};lcame in this morning asking if we coUld set up a conference call with the military analysts lomorro.w
for BG Lute who will be in the Pentagon. Subject wUl probably be security for Iraqi elections. Deta~s are sketchy as
of right now, but I wanted to run It by you soonest. LeI me know your thots. Thanks.~~%~ttMjl
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Here's the time frame we are working with on BG Lutes opportunity tomorrow. I'll ask CENTCOM for a bit more
details on th~~ffl.i91'~TIt! am sure it Will be on security conditions during the elections in Iraq. Once I get a time
frame from~~)(00)?;kidn; on these events, I'll get back to you. But this gives you a start point. There were no
briefings today, so don't know if Ms. Barber knows of this or not.
Lieutenant Colonel, USA

Office of the Assistant Secreta (Public Affairs)
Offic
Fax:
Things don't change much:
"A lie can travel halfway around the world
while the truth is putting on its shoes."
Mark Twain 1835 - 1910
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Subject: PAULA ZAHN/PUNDITS
Following is the contact informatlon for the CNN Producer handling all the election stories this week. I told her
she may be receiving a call from OASD PA to conduct coordination for the Paula Zahn interview.
Editor, CNN Network Booking

office
cell
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Subject: military analyst conference briefing dave/ruff/whitman
Start: Tue 1/25/20054:00 PM

End: Tue 1/25/20054:30 PM
Recurrence: (none)
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From: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD·PA

Sent: WednesdaY,January 26,20057:34 AM
To: [~1~~)XjY1;iiXiiii!B'tMf.F IS·HQtPIA
Subject: RE; Today's Front Pages - What they printed across America on January 25th
hi there
will you guys see if any of our military analysts were out last night on the bUdget? i saw
jed babbin, .not sure about others.
0will have the list of folks who called in.
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Subject: Today'g Front Pages - What they printed aCross America on January 25th
* Of the 223 images of U.S. newspaper front pages available from the
newseum.org, ranging from strictly the local to national circulation papers,
~3' included DoD-related articles. only a do~en pap~rs had more than one DoD-related item
on today's front page.
w The capture of the al-Zarqawi lieutenant(s) garnered the most
headlines: 61.
* 41 papers headlined the $80 billion supplemental request for the war
on terrorism.
• 12 papers headlined some aspect of the January 30 elections in Iraq.

Seven headlines focused on allegations of U.S. abuse of detainees
in Iraq or Guantanamo.
w Five headlines centered on "thin" or "stretched" Reserve forces in
Iraq.
• Two headlines stated U.S. troop levels will stay high in Iraq.
* Two headlines focused on BRAe issues.
• There were seven other headlines, primarily about home town
casualties.
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From:
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TO be more clear -- my current thinking is to not do the Press event but to do tne
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worthwhile to do the analyst. I am leaning against no doing a press event.
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Ms Jonas is conce'rned that she will have nothing to give them. They will want details and
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Colonel John Garrett (USMC ,Retired)

Command Sergeant Major Steven Greer (USA" Retired)
Colonel Jack JacQbs (USA, Retired)
CoLonel Jeff McCausland, (USA, Retired)
Lieutenant General Thomas McInerney (USAF. Retired)
General william L. Nash (USA, Retired)
Major General Donald W. Shepperd (USAF, Recired)
Major General perry Smith (USAF, Retired)
Tentative - Awaiting Confirmation
Admiral Dennis C. Blair (USN, Retiredl
Commander Peter Brookes (USN. Reserve)
Lieutenant colonel Bill Cowan (USMC, Retired)
General William F. "Buc]c" Kernan {USA, Retired}
Admirai 'Thomas Joseph Lopez (USN, Retired)
General Glen K. Otis (USA, Retired) - not avail. at 1600
Mr. Wayne Simmons (USN, Retired)
General Charles E. Wilhelm
From: LtCol, OASD-PA
To: Ruff, Exic, SES, OASD-PA
Subject: Re: Service Topline Input: S: 1330 TODAY - 21 JAN 05
(UNCLASSIFIED)
Hello Sir
Can you send it back to me so I have it on my blackberry and can forward it from here.
Thank you
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Subject: RE: Service Topline Input: S: 1330 TODAY' 21 JAN 05 (UNCLASSIFIED)
f'~'~~!1~] do you think you should send him the navy's submission so he can see an e.g.?
From: "LtCol, OASD-PA

Sent· , 25, 2005 11:44 AM
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Subjec e: erv~ce'Topline Input: s: 1330 TODAY - 21 JAN 05
(UNCLASSIFIED)
They just want three positive things Army is saying about Transformation along with three
topline messages regarding the Army's budget.
I've, sent you all the input I have.
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Sent: Tue Jan 25 11:39:36 2005
Subject: RE: Service Topline Input: S: 1330 TODAY - 21 JAN 05 (UNCLASSIFIED)
Cavea ts: FOUO
! will revisit, but injtial indications are negative., PIs provide some examples which may
help me break something loose from the Army Budget office. Than~s.
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Hi r~~WJe)PNfi;'1
Did you ever get a final Topline input?
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Sent: T~m~d~m' J~~uary 25,20057:34 AM
To: '~?$}Ji@f},m!;;:)7!0;.blv. OASD-PA
Subject: RE: analyst call
we won't have a mIg this morning because i have to go to the pa conference... i will be around until 945.
i might need help with a lour guide to escort susan davis in around 11:00. more to follow.
thanks
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sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:32 AM.
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SUbject: RE: analyst call
We'll start calling this morning to gauge interest. I'll try to have the responses collected in time for the IC/PL moming
meeting.
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sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:07 AM
To: {~)k~):i!)N!lPXPV, OASO.pA
Subject: analyst ell
hi there
the military analysts call looks like it will go at 1600 today. please pulse our folks to see if they would be available
for a call to dIscuss the supplemental budget. there will be senior level people on the call.
justtor you into...woltowitz will be on the call.... we will need to do this in his office.
please let me know the response you get.
thanks
ab
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Thought you would be interested in this.
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A little dose of reality on the prisoner abuse/interrogation issue, with thanks to Wayne Simmons.
Jed L. Babbin
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From: "2'77""'~="";",,,:i\(:?,:R~CIV OASD-PA

Sent: .200511:14 AM
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SUbject: FW: today's Spectator (Jed Babbin)
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Jed L. Babbin
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To: RUff, Eric, SES, OASD·PA
Subject: FW: draft message to service secy's
---··Original Message-'--
Frvm: Ruff, EriC, SES, OASD-PA
Sent: Wednesday, Janua/y 19, 2005 6:0] PM
To: Oi Rfta, I.iIrry, CIV, OSO-OASD·PA
Subject: draft message to 5ervlce secy's
larry, appreciate you input from a tone perspective as well as content.
Gentlemen, as part of this year's budet roll out we would like each of you to participate in a
background briefing for the military analysts ~ the group that provides newspaper and television
commentary. The bUdget will be announced by the President and sent to Congress on Monday, Feb.
7. aso
usually provides an embargoed (hold until introduced by the President) briefing to the
Pentagon press corps and to the military ana'ysts, and we anticipate doing so again this year.
We are asking that you and the service chielor vice chief brief the analysts this time around because
we are hoping to provide real context about the nature of this budget. It is a document that we hope
to frame as much more than the usual programmatic funding levels document. Understanding that
people will always look at funding numbers, we hope to persuade. the analysts and media to see this
budget from another perspective, that of a meaningful stab at shifting the military in a historically new
philosphical direction, a direction that is required by the realities of the world today.
In briefing the analsyts, we would ask that each of you to talk about your services' respective
transformational needs of today and how those needs are addressed in this in budget. We would
like your briefing to be done in one session on Wednesday, Feb. 2, or Thursday, Feb. 3. We are
timing your briefing ahead of the media's because we expect reporters will go to military analysts for
additional thoughts about the DOD budget.
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Sent: 19,20053:11 PM
To:
Cc;
Sublect:
Just read the text of)'our rebuttal. As you may have seen on MSNBC. I attributed a lot of what he said to
disgruntled CIA empoyees who simply should be taken out and shot. Going thru his article, I was also
impressed at the extremely thin sourcing - mostly just two guys: ua fonner high ranking itelligence official and
IIa government consultant." Had he written the same thing for my GU course· as opposed to the New Yorker
ne woulda flunked!
Ken Allard
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From:
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Subject:
Attacnments: MllitaryAnalysts.1,19.dOC; MllitarvAnalystsExcerpts.1.19.doc
Ml\ltaryAnalysts.l.1 MmtaryAlllllystsExc
9.doc (134... erpts.U9....
Media coverage of the seven military analysts' visits to Iraq was contained to: Paul Vallely,
8111 Cowan, Steven Greer and Ken Allard. Vallely, Cowan and Greer appeared only On Fox News shows from January
13th - 17th, discussing their recent trips to Iraq in primarily positive terms. Allard was quoted in a Washington Times piece
.on the need for a larger U.S. military force in Iraq, which waS reprinted by a handful of foreign news outlets.
Among issues highlighted by the analysts in television cOl/erage:
• The Marines are a key force in maintaining security and stability In Iraq, and "finding the bad guys"
• The extensive security measures being implemented for the upcoming elections
• The "outstanding" training of Iraqi armies - we are "aggressively moving fOlWard"
• The expected high voter turnout for the elections - could reach up to 80% of residents
• Fallujah is now the safest cily in Iraq
• And. to a lesser extent, Iraq as a potential training ground for terrorists
Two documents are attached. On the left are the highlights; on the right are the excerpts + links.
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From: Ruff, Eric, SES. OASD·PA
Sent: Tues Janua 18.20056:53 PM
To:
"{!:F/m;t\!iTi OASD-PA; Rhynedance. George. COL.OASD·PA
Cc: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD·PA: Barber, Allison. elV, OASD·PA
Subject: RE: comment for Mr. Di Rita re Hersh statement
have we suggested ~o bill that he write new yorker or that he send his thoughts to a
blo9'ger?
From: OASD- PA
To: Rhynedance. George, COL,OASD-PA
Cc: RUff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Whitman. Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Barbe~, Allison. CIV, OASD-PA;
..".' LTC OABD- PA;
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Subject: comment for Mr. oi Rita re Hersh statement
Following please find some comments from one of the military analysts on the 17 January
statement by Di Rita on Hersh article (sent·as today's talking points per Mr. Di Rita).
Mr. Cowan as you know is an analyst for Fox (wears the black turtleneCKS and has the whi~e
hair and beard). Re~irea LTC for Marines.
Col. Rhynedance - for you to forward as you see fit to Mr. Di Rita.
CC fo~ others.
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From: bill cowan [mailto:bill cowani~~~{80j0sStSl
Sent: Tuesday. January lB, 2005 6:11 PM
To: [lJjUr):>'..'.. ;y;::·.:··,·./.. :i·:·••.·:· ·.•:.yi·.::t.•/e(.. ./.:.. : . ,.".:""•. ,..,.,.,.. . . :.,c.-....,...,....:,..••, . • j
Subject: RE: 000 Update - I~an
please pass to Larry OaRita and others as further support to hersch's crap.
i wag the OpeO at ~s~ during the period hersch talks about. Yellow Fruit
wasn't about ISA, as he alleges. it was about the Army's OOSO. his 'BASIC
premise of 'run-amuck' commandos is wrong from the outset. Yellow Fruit
happened quickly and folks from OOSO went to jail. the Pentagon policed its
own.
ISA wasn't involved in supporting the Contras and had no Central Ame~ican
ops that went awry. MORBOVER, i waS a senior staffer on the Iran/Contra
hearings shortly thereafter, in which ISA was NEVER mentioned.
go after the BASIC premise. specops guys, and lSA in pa.rticula~, have done
a GREAT job of supporting the Pentagon and the nation.
thanks.
resp'y,
bill cowan
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From: Mili tar:r-JU1alrstsLi~t [ma i l to: MILITA!<.Y -l\N,U,ySTS ·L@DTIC.MILl On

·Behalf Of ~!l~~~j,. ;" ":,; "jiiiYi'!J OASD-PA
Sent: Tuesday, January l~, 2005 5:59 PM
To: MILITARY-ANALYSTS-L@DTIC;MIL
Subject: DoD Update - Iran
Attached please find the latest update from the Department of Defense.
«TP 01·18-05 Iran.doc»
Statement from Pentagon Spokesman Lawrence DiRita on Latest Seymour Hersh
Article
The Ira~ian regime's apparent nuclear ambitions and its
demonstrated support for terrorist organizations is a global challenge that
deserves much more serious treatment than Seymour Hersh provides in the New
Yorker article titled "The Coming, Wars."
.£t: Mr. Hersh's article is so riddled with errors of fundamental
;:~3 fact that the credibility of his entire piece is destroyed.
Mr. Hersh's source(s) feed him with rumor, innuendo, and
assertions about meetings that never happened, programs that do not exist,
and statements by officials that were never ~ade.
A sampling from this article alone includes:

~ The post-election meeting he describes between the Secretary
of Defense and the Joint Chiefs of Staff did not happen.
~ The only civilians in the chain-of-command are the President
and the Secretary of Defense, despite Mr. Hersh'S confident assertion that
the chain of command now includes two Depart~ent policy officials. His
assertion is outrageous, and constitutionally specious.
~ Arrangements Mr. Hersh alleges between Onder Secr~tary
Douglas Feith and Israel. government or non-government, do not exist. Here,
Mr, Hersh is building on links created by the soft bigotry of some
conspiracy theorists. This Ieflects poorly Dn Mr. Hersh and the New Yorker.
~ Mr. Hersh cannot even keep track of' his own wanderings. At
one point in his article, he makes the outlandish assertion that the
military operations he describes are so secret that the operations are being
kept secret even from u.s. military Combatant Commanders. Mr. Hersh later
ata~es, though, that the locus of this super-secret activity is at the u.s.
Central Command headquarters, evidently without the knowledge of the
commander if Mr. Hersh is to be believed.
By his own admission, Mr. Hersh evidently is working on an "alternative
history" novel. He is well along in that work. given the high quality of
"alternative present" that he has developed in several recent articles.
Mr. Hersh's preference for single, anonymous, unofficial sources
for his most fantastic claims makes it difficult to parse his discussion of
Defense Department operations.
Finally, the views and policies Mr. Hersh ascribes to Secretary

Rumsfeld.Deputy secretary Wolfowitz, Onder Secretary Feith, and other
Department of Defense officials do not reflect.their public or private
comments or administration policy.
<link to the Jan. 17, 2005 release
<http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2005/nr200S0117-1987.html»
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From: ~~11'~g):ti;;;,%?;~\i11MH\i;J1';:ILtcol, OASD·PA
Sent: Tuesday, January 18,20059:47 AM
To: Ruff I:ric SES OASD-PA
Cc: V. OASD·PA: Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASO-PA; Keck. Gary.
CIV, oASD·PA
SUbject:
Attachments: FY06 Budget Strategic PA Plan (White)-rev ~8 Jan.xls
Good Morning Sir,
This calendar should refl~ct the changes you suggested over the weekend.
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FY06 Budget
Strategic PA Plan ...
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From: Rul'f, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
Sent: Saturday, January IS, 20054:20 PM
To: 'ldirita@ftl)(ilkh,kd);-'jOi Rita. l.2lrly, CIV. OSo.OASD.PA; Whitman, Bryan, 56, OASD-PA; Bartler, Allison, elV, OASD·PA;
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Subject: framing the 06 budget
as we move forward with budget rollout preparations i'd like us 10 consider some non-secdef tactics that will help frame
the discussion for the 06 transformational bUdget.
1) i'd like to recommend that we switch up the order for the briefings just a bit, specifically in the case of the military
analysts and the dod briefin9 team. the current plan calls for the bUdget to be briefed on background to the media on
friday, 4, followed by a feb 5 (saturday) briefing of the analysts by tina jonas and mr. roth.
e rec'ommend we brief the anlaysts before the 4th. and that we provide the service chiefs (or the vices) plus their
unifromed comptrOller reps. for this briefing. we would folo the same ground rUles as the media briefin9 and the
analysts' briefing could be done over say four hours, here in the buIldIng. featuring one hour for each service. whether
tina jonas participates is o p t i o n a l . ' .
the 06 budget marks much more than the usual programmatic funding level type of document. it iays the groundWOrk
for a meaningfUl stab at moving the military In a historically new philosphical direction, a direction that is required by
the realities of the world today - realities brough' on by the terrorism threat but also by the changing posture of our
military basing.
this angle for the analysts' briefing allows each of the services to talk about their respective transformational needs of
today and how those needs are addressed in this bUdget.
2) related to the service chiefs, j'd also propose that before the congressional hearings on feb, 16 and 17, the chiefs'
paa's get op-eds placed in the newspapers With circulations near large military installations of their respective services:
e.g., general schoomaker op-ed gets placed in papers circulating around fort campbell, fort sill, etc. (recall that we
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are drafting an op-ed for the seedef for feb 8 placenient in the wall street jourl:\BI.} it would be great if the chiefs could
do radio around these .bases or stations, as well.
thanks.
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Subject: FW: MSNBC Request: Iraq Election Talking Points (GEN{R) Montgomery Meigs)
(UNCLASSIFIED)
FYI
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From: Boyce, Paul Mr OCPA fmailto:Paul.Boyce .
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Subject: MSNBC Request: Iraq Election Talking Points (GEN(RI Montgomery
Meigs) (UNCLASSIFIED)
Caveats: NONE
Gentlemen, please forward to me
all potential talking point on the military's involvement
on the Iraq elections to me today -- to respond to below request. GEN(R) Meigs desires
immediate assistance for his request: for commentary information this upcoming Saturday
and Sunday on MSNBC, I
note to suspect
he also has contacted the State Department, but his below
us at Army requires our quickest attention here and ac DOD public affairs.
Thank you for your unwavering cooperation with this retired general officer request,
Very respectfully,
-- Paul
John P. Boyce, Jr.
Army Publ.icAffa~r$r M~dio\ Relations Divisi
pbone, ~~~~;S%%~0n0~J~A E-mail; paul.boyce
From: Montgomery Meigs [mailto:mcmeigS~mmw0~®i*¥ijBJ%~~B8M~

To: Brooks, vincent K BG OCPA
Subject: RE: Eye On Iraq - Iraqi Special Operations Forces (UNCLASSIFIED)
MSNBC will do a day long coverage of the election in Iraq, this Sat/sun. Can you give me
anything to help with making sense of that to viewers?
HeM
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BACKGROUND:
One of the most interesting things coming from this trip to Iraq with the media \
analysts was learning how their jobs have been undergoing a metamorphosis. There are
several reasons behind the morpho .. with an all voluntary military, no one in the media
has current military background. Additionally, we have been doing a good job of keeping
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these guys informed 50 that ~hey have the ready answers when the network comes calling.
CURRENT ISSUES:
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on the television media network coverage of military issues. They have now become the ge I
I to guys not only on breaking storys. but they influence the view5 on issues. Th~y also
h.ave a huge amount of influence on what stories the network decides to cover proactively I
I with regards to military.
In media ops, I have been using them more frequently to get our side of the story out I
I with media sensitive departments such as USD!, which is typically hard to penetrate with
traditionally media, but that we have found to be receptive to talking to the analysts I
I such as ~en Robinson.
RECOMMENDATION:
I recommend we develop a core group from within our media analysts list of those
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that we can count on to carry our water. They become part of a "hot list" that we
immediately make calls to or put on an email distro before we contact or respond to media
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on what stories to focus on and give them heads up on upcoming issues as they are I
I developing. By providing them with current and valuable information, they become the key
go to guys for the networks and it begins to weed out the less reliably friendly analysts I
I by the networks themselves.
2.) We need to continue with Dalla's initiative to do regional trips for the analysts I
I on a routine basis. Even though some of these guys on this trip had been to Iraq last
llumm9r, the l:lndacapCl had changed 100 dramatically th-.t they were "wowed" at the changee in I
I such a short amount of time. would like to arrange a trip to Afghanistan next.
3.} Media ops and outreach can work on a plan to maximize use of the analysts and
figure out a eystem by which we keep our most reliably friendly analysts plugged in on
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they know the more valuable they are to the networks.

t.) I am also going forward on working regional media trips and looking at trips for
publishers, columnists and. specialty media, including radio.
5.) As evidenced by this analyst trip to Iraq, the synergy of outreach shop and media
ops working t09~ther on these type of projects is enormous and effective. will continue
to exam ways to improve processes.
Roxie T. Merritt
Captain, U.S. Navy
Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs Pentagon. Room
Washin ton DC 2030 -1400
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Subject: .Military analyst coverage - Iraq trip
Below is a summary of the most recent military analyst media items that appeared as a
result of the trip to Iraq. We will distribute another report early next week on
forthcoming items.
Attached please find the related media excerpts and links.
HIGHLIGHTS,
Paul Vallely appeared on ~ox on January 13th. on oayside with Linda Vester (talk show),
discussing his recent: trip to Iraq. He was extremely upbeat and spoke about the upcoming
elections in Iraq in positive terms, saying they will absolutely happen as scheduled. He
said he's very comfortable with the election situation, and that voter turnout will most
likely be better than expected. A possible issue could be voter registration in certain
provinces, due to security ~hreats from insurgents.
He also noted that:
... 'l'he Marines are "doing a great job" in Iraq

* FallUjah is probably now the safest city in Iraq right now, as are coming citizens
back into neighborhoods, getting ID cards, supplies, etc.
* Iraqis are now very active in helping their people, and finally taking the
initiative, which they haven't been able to do up until this point
Paul Vallely appeared on FOX News Live on January 14th, in which he noted: the positive
morale of the military in Iraq. the Marines as a key force in Iraq. and extremely tight,
organized security measures for the upcoming elections. A 5ummaxy of this appearance was
available on a Fox News-focused blog, but the Fox transcript is not yet available.
In military analyst broadcast appearances focusing on subjects other than Iraq:
... Paul vallely appeared on Fox'S Hannity & Colmes on January 13th. disc~ssin9 the
situation in Indonesia, and tension about U.S. foreign aid
... John Garrett appeared on Fox on January 12th to discuss U.S. military death benefits
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and life insurance policies
* Analysis from Sill Cowan was included in a Fox News report from January 14th about
Friday's CIA report on new terrorist threats ("Mapping the Global Future II)
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MILITARY ANALYSTS - IRAQ TRIP
AS OF 1/19/05
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HIGHLIGHTS
Paul Vallely
Paul Vallely appeared on Fox's DaySide with Linda Vester (talk show) on January 13 th ,
discussing his recent trip to Iraq. He was extremely upbeat and spoke about the
upcoming elections in Iraq in positive terms, saying they will absolutely happen as
scheduled. He said he's very comfortable with the ejection situation, and that voter
turnout will most likely be better than expected. A possible issue could be voter
registration in certain provinces, due to security threats from insurgents.
Also appearing on Fox News Live on January 14th , he noted: the positive morale of the
military in Iraq, the Marines as a key force in Iraq, and extremely tight, organized
security measures for the upcoming elections. A summary ofthis appearance was
available on a Fox News-focused blog, but the Fox transcript is not yet available.
Fox featured Paul Vallely again on "Fox and Friends" Saturday on January 15 th where he
repeated the same upbeat description of the voting situation in Iraq. He also mentioned
that 13 million lraqis have registered to vote and that the elections need to go forward as
scheduled.
Fox News Channel:

• The Marines are "doing a great job" in Iraq
• FaUujah is probably now the safest city in Iraq right now, as citi7.ens are coming
back into neighborhoods, getting 10 cards, supplies, etc.
• Iraqis are very active in helping their people, and finally taking the initiative,
which they haven't been able to do up until this point
• Syria & Iran are causing a great deal of problems in the region by providing
support to the insurgents
• Images of a Humvee retro-fitting plant in Iraq
Bill Cowan
Bill Cowan is also featured on the Fox News Channel on January 141h, 16th and 17 th on
shows such as "Heartland with John Kasich" and "Fox and Friends." Like Paul Vallely,
his take on the Iraq situation was also upbeat His one overriding statement was that if
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the U.S. pulls out ofIraq now, then it would look like Afghanistan before we invaded
(i.e. insurgent training camps). He also said he felt that the U.S. would be down to
50,000 troops by the end of the year.
Key points of discussion highlighted by Colonel Cowan:

• The U.S. is being aggressive in training an Iraqi police force
• It has trained "quick response" teams to respond to insurgents threatening Iraqi
police forces
• There is increased communication between the Iraqi and U.S. soldiers
• He is upbeat about the number ofSunnis, Kurds and Shiites that will participate in
the election process
Ken Allard
A stol)' originally written by The Washington Times on news that C' .S. military officials
are seeking.more troops in Iraq included commentary by Ken Allard. The piece was
reprinted by several publications, including New Kerala (India), Big News Network
(Australia), Assyrian International News Agency (Switzerland) and the World Peace
Herald. Specifically, Allard said the current troop numbers are not sufficient to sustain
fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. or to deter aggression in Europe and South Korea.
Steven Greer
Steven Greer, also on the Fox News Channel, addressed the primary issue of whether Iraq
is just turning into another training ground for insurgents. This became a common theme
across many of the military analysts interviewed and was previously a big story in The
Washington Post (Le. National Intelligence Council Report).
Sergeant Major Greer had the following to say:

• He focused on the fact that the U.S and Iraq need to work closely together to beat
down and contain current terrorist activities in Iraq
• Said Iraq is not a "breeding ground" for terrorists but may possibly be providing
"on the job training" to terrorists from other countries who have joined the fight in
Iraq .
Note: The following military analysts did not appear in media coverage:
• Robert Maginnis
• John Garrett
• Jeff McCausland
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MILITARY ANALYSTS - IRAQ TRIP
EXCERPTS
AS OF 1119/05
... Indicates excerpt was distributed as part ofFriday's analyst update.
ONLINE COVERAGE
KENNETH ALLARD
U.S. officers in Iraq seek more troops: report

Pakistan Dawn - January 17
'" Originally produced by The Washington Times; reprints by New Kerala (India), Big
News Network (Australia), Assyrian Intemational News Agency (Switzerland) and The
World Peace Herald (global online source)
Ken Allard, a retired colonel and author of four books on national security, told the
(Washington Times) newspaper that America needed to expand itsmilitary if it wanted to
continue to shoulder its responsibilities abroad.
According to him, the current strength of 500,OOO~troopactive force was not enough to
fight wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and to deter aggression in Europe and South Korea.
til would start adding forces until it is demonstratively too much," Mr. Allard said. "What
happens if somewhere something else goes wrong ... We are eating seed corn. In an 18
division requirement, we have a lO-division force, II he said.
STEVEN GREER
Fox News Channel

1114/20055:05:24 PM
Steve Greer is a retired U.S. Army command Sergeant Major and a senior fellow at the
National Defense Council Foundation. The big question today, is Iraq a breeding ground
for the next generation of terrorists? Greer: Hi, John, no, I dontt think so, not yet,
anyway. It certainly has the potential to become so. What you see here is Iraq is a training
base. An area where your opportunistic terrorist _. can do on the job training. There are
other breeding grounds in the Muslim world. Syria, Lebanon. Those are breeding grounds
where the govemmentand the military structure really lets these terrorist operations work
unfettered. It was blown into a big story. Apparently sort of waving this at President
Bush. You said it was going to be a free, fair democracy in Iraq that was safe from
terrorists and now we have terrorists there. John: Why is it - why wouldn't one conclude
that Iraq is a terrorist training ground when they have so much opportunity to train killing
Americans? Greer: Well, J certainly think that Iraq is a training ground but it is not a
breeding ground for terrorists. The breeding ground comes from when the young
. terrorists or young individual and they teach them the ideology of hate. I think part of the
issue -- the issue is that inside ofIraq the difference is that you have terrorists flooding in
from other nation states. The reason why you have that is the nation states like Syria are
reluctant to do anything. They're not happy that lraq may tum into a democracy. TIle
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. monarchies are not happy that you may have an elected government next to them in their
border region.
PAUL VALLELY
Fox News Channel 111312005 1:33:28 PM·

DaySide with Linda Vester
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Vallely: We had great meetings with the first cavalry division and the Marines up in
Fallujah. They're doing so many things, but it's security, it's finding the bad guys. We're
finding there's more foreigners now than we thought that have come across the borders,
so they're working it and doing a great job but what they're doing for the people we can
talk about. Just wonderful what we're doing for the people of Fallujah right now... .In 60
days, it's the safest city they say in Iraq right now. The marines control it. Now the
citizens are starting to come back into the neighborhoods, they're being given .
. identification cards, which they really like, by the way. It gives them some status... ! can't
say enough about the marines up there doing a great job, the men and women. It's just
fantastic.
Fox News Channel 1113/2005 I :35:38 PM '"

DaySide with Linda Vester
Linda: We have a question from a viewer by email. He says what more can be done to get
more Iraqis to come forward to help the U.S. soldiers deliver a pinpoint and decisive
blow to the insurgency? Valley: Great question. Two things happening here. We're
training more battalions each month. I saw many Iraqi soldiers out there, National Guard.
They're doing the security work for the convoys over there. I saw them in downtown
Fallujah, we're trying to put the best lraqi face out there, and that's what we need to do, so
the Iraqis are very active, they're very active in the polling stations. in getting those set up
throughout the country for the election. So they're taking the initiative finally...Linda: but
bottom line, you were comfortable with the vote going off January 30? Valley: Very
comfortable. I think it may be better than we think but there will be problems up in that
area only because of registration.
FOl News (FOLand Friends Saturdav)

01115/05 08:23:06
Vallely: There are 13 million people registered to vote... up to 80 percent could vote...
The people in Iraq have done a wonderful job of mapping out security for the polling
stations ... The elections need to go forward, the people there need to get involved in the
process of democracy. The Iraqis have taken a lot of initiative, doing positive things in
the midst ofa lot of terrorism... but security.will be the key. In Faltujah - the most
marvelous, inspiring trip, to see what the Marines have done lip there - it's now the most
secure city...
BILL COWAN
Fox News Channell/14/200510:17:23,AM it
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Well, joinins us now with some insight, Lieutenant Colonel Bill Cowan who actually just
retwncd from Iraq last week and live in Iraq '4Newsweek" magazine's Baghdad bureau
chief. Gentlemen, welcome both of you. Colonel Cowan, give us yourtake on this news
that Iraq may be the new terrorist training ground. Cowan: Any fundamentalist out there
who wants to be part of their future needs to be in Iraq to start honing up his skills to find
out how to fight western, U.S. or coalition forces.
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Fox News -- H£artland With .John Kasich
01/16/0504:35:49
John: Colonel, I know there is a sense that if we can continue to train them, you have
been there you are more optimistic about the train, 1 look at Bosnia, it took us ten years to
train the Bosnian Anny. I mean you are not advocating we stay ten )'ears. What's lhe
responsible exit strategy here? Cowan: John, we have seen good results with the training
we have done. In speaking to our American forces over there, those Iraqi battalions that·
not alongside us in Najaf, Samarra and Fallujah did an oulstandingjob. No complaints.
One key part is we had American advisors alongside the guys and that's what we have
now. A program to get American advisors with all of these Iraqi units that are coming out
we can take Iraqi units have that combat experience now, well trained, we are finding
good lead merits there. Our primary goal now in Iraq besides reconstruction, employment
and all other things has to be to build an effective fighting force with the Iraqi Anny.
John: Colonel, would you send your family there now? Cowan: My son has been in Iraq.
I had a son who went there. He was in Afghanistan also. Like any parent whose children
are worried over there I was worried the whole time. But it is interesting. I met with
young troops, young troops in the reserves over there who had nothing bad to day. Good,
highly motivated kids doing a mission and they felt strongly about it.
FOl News •• Fox and Friends

01117/0507:26:27
Joining us now to discuss that from his first-hand account is Fox news military analyst,
Lieutenant Colonel Bill Cowan back from Iraq. Nice to be with you. Brian: the big
difference between the last time you were there and this time. Cowan: Well. seeing
what's happening to the Iraqi security forces, how we're really moving forward
aggressively, Lieutenant General Petraeus to get qualified Iraqis out there, one putting
advisors alongside the Iraqi forces, it bolsters their offense, capabilities and confidence,
putting together quick reaction forces, so when they run into trouble, they have folks to
help them out. Better communications, better equipment, getting things ready for the
Iraqis to take over more responsibilities.
BLOG COVERAGE
PAUL VALLELY
"Hl4J!p'y [rag" Turns Out 10 Be Not That Happy •
NewsHounds.us - blog - January 14
On FNL today (1114), one interview stood out among the usual crop of likely suspects:
Ri"k Folbaum (who substitutes for David Asman on Fridays) interviewed Paul Vallely,
Fox News military analyst, who had recently returned from a trip Lo Iraq. The topic was
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"Happy Iraq" -- & to listen to Vallely, you'd think the US military had learned nothing in
Vietnam.
...The interview was long on hyperbole, short on actual facts. Vallely claimed there's
"more successes than failures" & offered as an example of ,'success" that the "Marines
have mnde Fallujah the safest city in Iraq" because "we took out the bad guys ..." He
added "We're defeating the enemy every time we can find them ... " Folbaum acted
enthusiastic about how "We are so proud" of what the US military is doing in Iraq &
asked Vallely what he thought we should be most proud of. Vallely said he is "most·
proud of their morale" & of their "very, very positive attitude" in the face of "isolated
incidents l.ike the attacks today." Folbaum asked if there were any surprises while Vallely
was there. Vallely replied that he was sUrprised by "how well organized they are for this
election." Vallely added that there will be "extraordinary security" for the upcoming
election & he expects everything to go pretty smoothly "except up in Anbar province."
He also admitted that the "amount of foreigners [is] greater than we thought. .. "
Vallely has been mentioned often on this we'bsite because of his frequent appeal"'dnCeS on
FNC, where he is always very gung-ho & rah-Tab. T()day was no exception.
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"Happy Irag" Turns Out To Be Not That Happy

NewsHounds.us - blog - January 14
On FNL today (1/14). one interview stood out among the usual crop of likely suspects:
Rick Folbaum (who substitutes for David Asman on Fridays) inlerviewed Paul Vallely,
Fox News military analyst, who had recently returned from a trip to Iraq. The topic was
"Happy Iraq" -- & to listen to Vallely, you'd think the ~S military had learned nothing in
Vietnam.
.. .The interview was long on hyperbole, short on actual facts. Vallely claimed there's
"more successes than failures" & offered as an example of "success" -that the "Marines
have made Fallujah the safest city in Iraq" because "we took out the bad guys..." He
added "We're defeating the enemy every time we can find them ..." Folbaum acted
enthusiastic about how "We are so proud" of what the US military is doing in Iraq &
asked Vallely what he thought we should be most proud of. Vallely said he is "most
proud of their morale" & of their "very, very positive attitude" in the face of"isolated
incidents like the attacks today." Folbaum asked if there were any surprises while Vallely
was there. Vallely replied that he was surprised by "how we!! organized they are for this
election." Vallely added that there will be "extraordinary security" for the upcoming
election & he expects everything to go pretty smoothly "except up in Anbar province."
He also admitted that the "amount of foreigners [is] greater than we thought... "
Vallely has been mentioned often on this website because of his frequent appearances on
FNC, where he is always very gung-ho & rah-rah. Today was no exception.
Fox News Channel 1/14/2005 10: 17:23 AM

Well, joining us now with some insight, Lieutenant Colonel Bill Cowan who actually just.
returned from Iraq last week and live in Iraq "Newsweek" magazine's Baghdad bureau
chief. Gentlemen, welcome both of you. Colonel Cowan, give us your take on this news
that Iraq may be the new terrorist training ground. Any fundamentalist out there who
wants to be part of their future needs to be in Iraq to start honing up his skills to find out
how to fight western, U.S. or coalition forces.
Fox NcwlI Chaonell/13/2005 1:35:38 PM

We have a question from a viewer by email. He says what more can be done to get more
Iraqis to come forward to help the U.S. soldiers deliver a pinpoint and decisive blow to
the insurgency? Great question. Two things happening here. We're training more
battalions each month. I saw many Iraqi soldiers out there, National Guard. They're doing
the security work for the convoys over there. I saw them in downtown Fallujah, we're
trying to put the best Iraqi face out there, and that's what we need to do; so the Iraqis are
very active, they're very active in tlle polling stations, in getting those set up throughout
the country for the election. So they're taking the initiative finally. And they haven't been
able to do that. They didn't know what taking the initiative was under Saddam Hussein.
Now they're finding out as we work with them, they're taking the initiative for projects
and helping their own people and this is jusl wonderful news. Linda: from the troops you
were able to talk to, when you're out and about the -- Syria, Iran, a bigger problem and
what we hear Baathists in Syria still func,iing the insurgency, some of the fighters right
after they kill them -- I mean, they were being killed, they were found with cash on them.
That's right. As they found the insurgents in Fallujah, many of them had $200 to $300 in
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American money, cash, which means they nad just got paid, so this is all being .. Linda:
didn't get paid by Joe's construction company. That's exactly right. Didn't get work .
paid from work in Fa(Jujah, from outside sources paying tnem, so the situation with Syria
is very bad, and we need to really take some action over there in some ways because
they're fueling the fires there. Linda: but bottom line, you were comfortable with the vote
going off January 30? Very comfortable. I think it may be better than we think but there
will be problems up in that area only because of registration. Linda: wow, thank you for
coming here on zero sleep and welcome back home.
Fox News Channell/13/2005 1:33:28 PM

That's half, so the numbers are looking good and this was done by an independent poll.
. Linda: this is even though the Al Anbar province is the real challenge up there because
they haven't been able to go out and register them because of the threats of the insurgents
that are out there to terrorize them. Linda: What do you do about it? Well, to continue
what we're doing. We had great meetings with the first cavalry division and the Marines
up in FalJujah. They're doing so many things, but it's security, it's finding the bad guys.
We're finding there's more foreigners now than we thought that have come across the
borders, so they're working it and doing a great job but what they're doing for the people
we can talk about. Just wonderful what we're doing for the people of FaUujah right now.
Linda: yeah, I was surprised that you saw in Fallujah that it's so safe. I mean, that was
always considered the worst. We know what happened to American contractors when
they rolled in there and its now really that safe? In 60 days, it's the safest city they say in
Iraq right now. The ~arines control it. Now the citizens are starting to come back into the
neighborhoods, they're being given identification cards, which they reaJly like, by the
way. It gives them some status. Linda: really? Yeah. They come through, get identified,
they come to the next tent, they get a big box offood, water, and some other staples, and
then they move out and they're open from 8:00 to 5 every day so more and more are
coming back in, and it's just •• I can't say enough about the marines up there doing a great
job, the men and women. It's just fantastic. [Applause] Linda: I'm going to tell you, it's
by pure accident we happen to have two marines in our audience and I just want you to
know, he wasn't pitching that for you, That's what he really saw. Those are pictures of
General Vallely during the trip. We have a question from a viewer by email. He says
what more can be done to get more Iraqis to come forward to help the u.s. soldiers deliver
a pinpoint and decisive blow to the insurgency? ..
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peX"fect. this is exactly what i am looking fo~ in feedback. thanks.

thanks for doing this trip. be safe.
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Hi Allison. Just a quick note on the progress so far. The alalyst portion of the trip was
outstan1i~~'1 The access and discussions were incredible.
Dallas,R)(',;0! and crew did a great job. Jeff MacCausland , Bill Cowan and John Garrett told
me that the insights they received -- especially from MG Chiarelli and LTG Metz -- were
very helpful. The Marines just opened everything for us in Fallujah. It's one thing to see
stuff on TV, but something else to experience it.
America Supports You is not well known. I have spoken to about 30 soldiers and Marines and
only one knew anything about it and that was because he had just seen a PSA on AFN. The
other folks do not have access to TV. Radio seems to be the prime media here.
Speaking of radio, r know you believe TV is the only way to go, but I think we're missing
the boat by not producing a five-minute (or two·minute or
one-minute) daily radio show. Radios are on all day long and soldiers and Marines listen.
Radio is a very valuable command information tool. I think it is something you should
consider.
The soldiers in Baghdad are happy with Stars and Stripes. They receive it daily, and there
are few problems. Marines in Fallujah get it, but only at the headquarters.
I'm off to the ePIC today. Hope all is well in the Pentagon.
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<del1ordj~ Ryan, HON,
aSD-POLICY <Ryan.Henr
Sent: Sun Jan 09 11:09:32 2005
Subject: Heather Mac Donald's Article/Manhattan Institute
This article is very good. but very large (6000 words). As you know we put her together
with a number of people -- thanks to the continued persistence of Pete Geren who predicted
how helpful she could be. We ought to tbink about ways to get this out and around
ebird is one way, military analyst another, but I'm sure others have ideas too.
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From: Barber, Allison, C'V, OASD·PA

Sent: Tuesday, January 04. 20054:00 PM
To: Lawrence, Dallas, QASD·PA
Subject: Re: Military Analyst Heads up
Who shoul~ ! have larry wri~e to make sure we get the flight for you
would but he wants someone lower than abazaid and higher than the ltc
Is it lessel??
Allison Barber
Deputy Assistant Secretary oE Defense
From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA cDallas.Lawrence
To: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD·PA cAllison.Barber
Sent: Tue Jan 04 15:31:32 2005
Subject: FW: Military Analyst Heads up
as you see appropriate.
Analyst Heads up
Dallas - Can you please pass this along to Larry Di Rita?
It's no longer my function to advise DOD leaders, but may I make three informal
suggestions about your communications strategy in the current tsunami crisis?
1. It is not obvious to general audiences or the media how a CVN or an LHA can contribute
to the remediation of a natural disaster. For example: virtually every capability that
Kofi Anan called for over the weekend is typically represented by such battle groups.
Those points need to be communicated using jargon-free, non-programmtatic language
(otherwise known as dumb-dumD speakl. And the flag officers chosen to communicate that
message fail in their mission if they cannot explain those functions conVincingly to third
gradeJ:s.
2. Same point needs to be made about mil-to-mil conta.cts in which PACOM excels. All those
otherwise incomprehensible combined exercises, FTXs and educational exchanges can now be
seen as critical investments that today are making" a difference - just when they are
needed most. The fact that most of those things occur well below the media "noise level"
should not blind us to their importance.
3. Defenselink is not a helpful source"of information when you're wqorking a time-critical
story: too much information, buried way too deep with far too much DOD-speak. Same
assessment can be offered about PAO apparatus in DOD as well as the services. In a useful
contrast today, I received some very helpful information this morning from an action
officer who was far more concerned with helping me tell an accurate story rather than
worrying ahout a fully coordinated "official position."
I respected that and never ratted out his "name on TV. suspect I'm speaking for most of the
military analysts in suggesting that we couldn't care less about official positions and
authoritative statements from on high: but we do try and get it right under some fairly
severe time constraints. Anything helping us do that is incredibly valuable and likely
helps DOD as well: but anything that's too late or too self-serving is worse than useless.
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Bottom line: say a few things well!
And thanks again!
Colonel Ken Allard
MSNBC
26
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To: Di Rita. Larry, Cry, OSD-QASD-PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
Subject: Fw. Military Ana'yst Heads up
Interesting feedbacK trom an analyst.
Allison Barber
Deputy A~sistant Secretary of Defense
Sent from my BlackBerry Handneld.
From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA <Dallas.Lawrenc
To: Barber, Allison. CIV, OASD-PA <Allison.Barber
Sent: Tue Jan 04 15:31;32 2005 .
Subject: FW: Military Analyst Heads up
id rather forward this to you and then you to di rita as you see appropriate.
From: AllardckQI [mailto:Allardck
Sent: Tuesday, 005 3;28 PM
To: ~~~~!H
Cc: ,~,>:)?i
Subject: Heads up
Dallas - Can you please pass this along to Larry Di Rita?
It's no longer my function to advise DOD leaoers, but may I make three informal
suggestions about your communications strategy in the current tsunami crisis?
1. It is not obvious to general audiences or the media how a CVN or an LHA can contribute
to the remediation of a natural disaster. For example: vlrtuallyevery capability that
Kofi Anan called for over the weekend is typically represented by such battle groups.
Those points need to be communicated using jargon-free. non-programmtatic language
(otherwise known as dumb-dumb Speak). And the flag officers chosen to communicate that
message fail in their mission if they cannot explain those functions conVincingly to third
graders. .
2. Same point needs to be made about mil-to-mil contacts in which PACOM excels. All those
otherwise incomprehensible combined exercises, FTXs and educational exchanges can now be
seen as critical investments that today are making a difference - just when they are
needed most. The fact that most of those things occur well below the media "noise level"
should not blind us to their importance.
3, Defenselink is not a helpful source of information when you're wqorking a time-critical

story: too much information, buried way too deep with far too much DOD-speak. Same
assessment can be offered about PAO apparatus in DOD as well as the services. In a useful
contrast today, I received some very helpfUl information this morning from an action
officer who was far more concerned with helping me tell an accurate story rather than
worrying about a fully coordinated "official position."
I respected that and never ratted out his name on TV. Suspect I'm speaking for most of the
military analysts in suggesting that we couldn't care less about official positions and
authoritative statements from on high: but we do try and get it right under some 'fairly
severe time constraints. Anything helping us do that is incredibly valuable and likely
helps DOD as well: but anything that's too late or too self-serving is worse than useless.
Bottom line; say a few things weIll
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·And thanks againl

Colonel Ken Allard
MSN13C
2B
NY TIMES 7831
Sent: T January 04, 2005 1:28 PM
To: .. IV,OASD-PA
Subject: ad for Conf. Call @1400
Please send to
Allison Barber
Deputy Assistant Secret~ry of Defense
age----
From: CIV, OASD- PA
To: Barber, Allison, CIV. OASD-PA <Allison. Barber m,g;;~++""COl,OASD-PA
~~~~Yo~~~~*~;~~~7~.~:~~:~~iB0%tvilij&j'OASD-PA
; navis, Archie,
Sent: Tue Jan 04 13:25:31 2005
Subject: confirmed for Conf. Call @1400
Latest list, ..
Confirmed Retired Military An~lysts:
Colonel John Garrett (USMC, Retir~d)
Lieutenant colonel Robert L. Maginnis (USA, Retired)
~(0g;k;';M;i?j
OSD Public Affairs
~X~1;0j The pentagon
Wash in eon D.C. ·20301-1400
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Sent: Tuesday, January 04,2005 12:52 PM
SUbject: RE: REQUEST
thank you boss. you will be missed In the sandbox. safe travels ot bahrain.
sent: Tuesday, January 04,2005 11:27 AM
To: L.awrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
Cc: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD·PA
Subject: RE: REQUEST
dallas, i just saw this so presumably we are obe. also, because i'llebeen asked to go to a centcOITl pa meeting later
this month in bahrain, i won't be going on the trip with the analysts next week. that being said, let me say you have
done some very good work on the trip and trom my lIantage point you have demonstrated some good initiative and
follow through. thank you for the effort. eric
-----Or/glnal Message----
From: LBwrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
To: Ruff, Erlc, SES, OASD-PA
Subject: REQUEST
Importance: HJgh
DO YOU WANT TO TALK WITH HIM?
From: Robert H Scales [mailto:RobertHScales
To; Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: Military Analyst Heads up
Dallas:
Thanks.
I'm going on prime time soon to talk about how the Army and Marines are organizing to support the elections.
Other than the usual platitu~es I know nothing specific. The media wants to know a bit more in depth. So you have
anyone who can talk about htis off the record?
Bob Scales
Hello folks,
There will be a conference call tomorrow, Tuesday, January 4, 2005 with
Admiral Thomas Fargo, Commander, U.S. Pacific Command (bio:
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http://ww.v.pacom.millleadership/jO/jObio.shtml). The conference call is
tentativel~ set for 1400 est -1430 est.
~~wt),<{iAF<i:Ykcopied in the.cc column) in our office will be emalling you all
. tomorrow morning with call·in informa~ng with con mad times.

Please email all quarries and rsvp's to~irect\y at ,;/i;,F;i:iiNX ?;;:::i
Thank you for your continued great work on the airwaves. " , ; "
dl '
. Dallas B. Lawrence
Un Ie States a of 0 n
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From: Oi Rita, Larry, CIV. OSO-OASo.PA

Sent: Tue~day. January 04, 2005 12:33 PM
SUbject: RE: HELP!!!!!
I was thinking someone in between him and abizaid. For instance, is gen Lessel in his
world?
To: Oi Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA
Subject: RE: HELP! 1 11 1
he is the deputy PAO and has been one of many people working on
this trip. they don't have
a dedicated flight for us out of kuwait to iraq -- so they are going to do their best to
help us. these things usually work out but actually, if you could zip a note to gen
abazaid, that would really clear things up.
the request:
we are sending military analysts over and this is a high priority for the department. we
need full support to include airlift from kuwait to iraq.
is that possible?
From: Di Rita, Larry. CIV, OSD-OASD-PA

To: Barber, Allison, cIV, OASD-PA
SUbject; RE; HELPl!!!I,
Who is he? Who does he work for?
Fro11l: Barber, Allison, crv, OASD-PA
Sent; Tuesday, January 04, 2005 12~08 PM
To: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSO~OASn-PA
SUbject: HELP I I! I!
could use some ASD muscle please. will you please zip an email to ~%~08~s8~S08\0B~lettin9
him know the iraq trip is a high priority for dod?
thanks ... if you ever need mUScle support from me -- you are in troublel
NY TIMES 7835
MAJ CFLCC/3A-FWD-PAO;
MNF-I STRATCOM DEP Dr
MNF-I CG PAO;
Trip
Caveats: NONE
Sh.
We are continuing to work the issue of dedicated aircraft or'
priority seating on available aircraft. Although the commanders support
this media facilitation they have not necessarily signed up to prioritize
air aSSets for this purpose over other resources in support of operations in
theater - It would be very helpful to have a SECDEF endorsement to encourage
priority or dedicated aircraft.
My counterpart in Kuwait, LTC Pete Pearse is attempting to
cODrdinate for dedicated Sherpa support.
Dan,
It would help if LTG Metz/MNC-I requested through official message
traffic for CFLCC to provide dedicated Sherpa support fOr this mission.
VR
LTC f~{·j~rMxgDi%i!>Hi!i;:K{d
Deputy PAO
Third Army/ARCENT/CFLCC
Atlanta
RE: Iraq
Dan,
Hearing that there might be an issue getting a dedicated flight into Iraq
from Kuwait. I know this is not in your lane, but wanted to get your
guidance. My understanding was this would be taken care of from Kuwait's
end once our TCR was approved (which it has),
Also, FYI, ASDPA has added Captain Roxie Merritt, director of press ops. to
our trip, she will be on hand to manage the 2 bureau chiefs along for the
trip and Fred Barnes if he does indeed confirm his attendance today.
From: : :LTC ARMY/Ill Corps MNC- I PAD

[mllilto:agg1o@iraq.centcom.mill
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005
To: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA'
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RE: Iraq
Dallas.
Happy New Year!
We'll see what we can do - I'm not going to promise. One of the challenges
is that MNF-I have declared a moratorium on visits into theater, because of
the resources (like aircraft) being dedicated to the election security
mission' and the inc,reased troop flow into theater. etc. We have received a
waiver for your group to visit. The challenges will be air transportation
for such a large group (it would take two helicopters - that's Why When I
signed up to do this from MNC-I, it was under the assumption that we would
try to organize events in the Greater Camp Victory/BIAP Complex Area of
Operations). Travel to places like Falluja will be difficult to do.
At this point we have planned on scheduling LTG Metz to talk to the group
and MG Chiarelli and/or BG Hammond from the 1st Cav. Also, last night I
talked to COL Holbert from I MEF and sne is going to talk to her leadership
about sending somebody to talk to the group.
AS far as site visits are concerned - this will be hard in such a limited
time. ;~,~,~,li<~~~mgle for the group to stay another day? I've been talking
to LTC ~),(irl{':>:0i,:'i':'::i>;::':":hi:'J from 1st Cav - there' could possibly be a visit to see
construction and the security situation in Thawra (Sadr
City) - but to make it worthwhile we need to dedicate a day to this.
Also, one of the questions folks have asked me for clarification, is:
What kind of products do we expect to get out of this? I would hate to
organize all the security and logistics for that size group to go to ThaWra
or Falluja, etc. for only a lim~ted r~turnon investment. Let me know your
thoughts.
I will talk to cOLfRlf~)ir;;:niwF;ilat I MEl' to see i f it is worthwhile and assets
are available to visit Falluja or maybe Najaf or Ramadi. I w1ll also
consult with our C- 9 (CMO) . COL m1@h,,:,}:J';/FiiYl about the best venues for
reconstruction that fit out constraints.
~~ ~h~oqi;mw;Bi~~i~:.Ji;i~o~O~~:~~~fit~'~~ ~~n~11~:~.back up to STRATCOM to
As soon as we can get more granularity on your itinerary - if we can get it

on SIPR - it will be helpfUl. It is hard to book specific times for GOs in
particular without specific times.
As far as the issues in Kuwait are concerned. I've copied LTC ~~~M80~jand MAJ
~~J~WF:m;:Wlin Kuwait as well as LTqe?!Hik;HiWnlin Atlanta. I defer to them.
Thanks. ~~@Itj;r:ij
P.S. Reminder all of these guys need to bring their own Body Armor &
Helmets.
~~lmN;:;i!;;;!i~%;::Xl\i!:;';ji:NiV;!jJ:;lH,:;a:i;)i;:1
L~eutenant Colonel, U.S. Army
Chief of Public Affairs
·Multi-National corps - Iraq
Camp' Vic 0
PSN ,~):;;}{'
MCr Cell
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From: Lawrence, Dallas, :OASD-PA [mailto:Dallas.Lawrence
sent~:~M2o~n~dilla8' Januar 03 2005 9:59 PM
TO:G
Media
WlI\J'; TC MNF-I Cl Tr~p anner
SubJect: Iraq Trip
Importance: High
Gentleman,
I wanted to bring everyone into the loop now that we finally have country
clearance approval for Our OSDPA Military Analyst trip into Iraq. For
obvious security reasonS (and my lack of siprJ I will avoid using specific
dates, however I think you are all keyed into the dates we are traveling
into the theater.
Right now, in addition to the 9 or so military analyst.s on the trip, we will
be bringing two bureau chiefs.
Desired outcomes;
1) Provide our television military analysts with 1st person knowledge of the
successes in Iraq, both militarily and in rebuilding the infrastructure and
democratic institutions.
2) provide 1st person knowledge on the progress being made towards elections
on 30 January and the Iraqi's desire for a free and democratic country
Our three day trip will be comprised as follows:

Day 1: Our group will arrive into Kuwait ano be picked up and taken to the
Kuwait base. opportunity to eat with troops, and attend any late afternoon
briefings the folks in Kuwait want to put together (this is at the request
of the folks in Kuwait).
Day 2, early am departure for Iraq
Day 3, evening departure for Kuwait
"Dream" Schedule, these are the ·things we would like to fit into the 38
hours or so we will be in the country:
1} Briefings by MNFI on military status in Iraq. Note, this is not a
1-1
interview, but a group unclassified on the record briefing. 1-2 hours
2) trip to fallujah (again, dream scenario) to allow the group to meet with
the Marine commanders to help our folks understand the huge successes
achieved in Fallujah and their positive ripple effects throughout Iraq.
-This message has not resonated in the States. SecDef has reinforced it time
and time again during· briefings as has CJCOS.
3) Briefing on status of elections from election team officials on the
ground
4) Meeting with senior Iraqi leaders - ideally 15-20 minutes with PM Allawi
or President Ghazi
5) Visit to a US reconstruction project to Show signs of progress.
6) Lots of eating with troops, lunch, dinner etc
I am open to any and all changes that you folks would recommend that would
better al10w us to meet the objectives of this trip while meeting your trip
goals as well.
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NY TIMES 7838
~~~0Ggit will be great to see you again, please let me know if there is
anything I can bring you or your guys from the states and III pack the extra
~:I~ a~~Cw~i'I0W~Nt;~~e~1n~c~~~~~~~~yW~~~hb~s~dvanCingthe Kuwait leg of our
Please advise on the following: Does an up to date DOD CAC card still
provide'access into Kuwait without a Visa, and 2) for our non CAe card
folks, I have been told that folks arriving into Kuwait can process their
Visa at the airport as long as they have an up-to-date passport. Is this
correct, and is the office open 24/7 (we have a few late arrivals coming in
in the evening of the 1st day)
Beat,
dl
DallaS B. Lawrence
Director, Office of Community Relations & Public Liaison United States
Classification:' UNCLASSIFIED
CaveatS: NONE
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From: Barber. Allison. elY. OASD-PA

Sent: Tue!Sday, January 04, 2005 10:39 AM
To: Lawrence, DaHas, OASD-PA
SUbject: R~ .
plus j gave you that guy dillon yesterday.. he is with heritage too .. i think.
-----Original Message--···
From: lawrenCE, Dallas, OASD-PA
sent: Tuesday, January 04, ZOOS 10:39 AM
To: Barber, Allison, aV,OAS[).PA
SUbJect: RE:
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~~1~),~~t~;;%J ~~eh~f ~~~~b~J~Stth~~~~~~h~t~~~i~'~W~;~~it:~:~dli~:~idj~~~~~~~e:u~~e~~~I~~i~:;:~C~I~:.t~b~,?'~~~'
and enn. Ifi dont hear back in 30 minutes. im just going to call each of them below and see if they got an
invite (play dumb, im so good at it) and then extend one
Commander Peter Brookes (USN. Reserve)
Senior Fellow for National Security
Senior Fellow
The Kathryn and Shelby Cullom Davis Institute for International Studies
Heritage Foundation
.General William L. Nash (USA, Retired)
Senior Fellow and Director, Center for Preventive Action
Lieutenant General Bernard Trainor (USMC, Retired)
Senior Fellow
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City .Journ~1
. How to Interrogate Terrorists
C I TY
i.'.' w_
Heather Mac Donald
Winter2005 .
It didn't take long for interrogators in the war on terror to realize that their part
was not going according to script. Pentagon doctrine, honed over decades of
cold-war planning, held that 95 percent of-prisoners would break upon
straightforward questioning. Interrogators in Afghanistan, and later in Cuba and
Iraq, found just the opposite: virtually none of the terror detainees was giving up
information-not in response to direct questioning, and not in response to army
approved psychological gambits for prisoners of war.
Debate erupted in detention centers across the globe about how to get detainees
to talk. Were "stress techniQues"-such as isolation or sleep deprivation to
decrease a detainee's resistance to questioning-acceptable? Before the
discussion conduded, however, the photos of prisoner abuse in Iraq's Abu
Ghraib prison appeared. Though they showed the sadism of a prison out of
control, they showed nothing about interrogation.
Nevertheless, Bush-administration critics seized on the scandal as proof that

prisoner lItorture" had become routine. A master narrative-call it the "torture
narrative"-sprang up: the government's 2002 decision to deny Geneva
convention status to al-Qaida fighters, it held, "led directly to the abuse of
detainees in Afghanistan and Iraq," to quote the Washington Post. In particular,
torturous interrogation methods, developed at Guantanamo Bay and Afghanistan
in illegal disregard of Geneva protections, migrated to Abu Ghraib and were
manifest in the abuse photos.
This story's success depends on the reader's remaining ignorant of the actual
interrogation techniques promulgated in the war on terror. Not only were they
light years from real torture and hedged around with bureaucratic safeguards, but
NY TIMES 7841
they had nothing to do with the Abu Ghraib anarchy. Moreover, the decision on
the Geneva conventions was irrelevant to interrogation practices in'lraq.
No matter, The Pentagon's reaction to the scandal was swift and sweeping. It
stripped interrogators not just of stress options but of traditional techniques long
regarded as uncontroversial as well. Red tape now entangles the interrogation
process, and detainees know that their adversaries' hands are tied.
The need for rethinking interrogation doctrine in the war on terror will not go
away, however. The Islamist enemy is unlike any the military has encountered in
the past. If current wisdom on the rules of war prohibits making any distinction
between a terrorist and a lawful combatant, then that orthodoxy needs to change.
The interrogation debate first broke out on the frigid plains of Afghanistan.
Marines and other special forces would dump planeloads of al-Qaida and Taliban
prisoners into a ramshackle detention facility outside the Kandahar airport;
waiting interrogators were then supposed to extract information to be fed
immediately back into the battlefield-whether a particular mountain pass was
booby-trapped, say, or where an arms cache lay. That "tactical" debriefing
accomplished, the Kandahar interrogation crew would determine which prisoners
were significant enough to be shipped on to the Guantimamo naval base in Cuba
for high-level interrogation.
Army doctrine gives interrogators 16 "approaches" to induce prisoners of war to

divulge critical information. Sporting names like "Pride and Ego Down" and "Fear
Up Harsh," these approaches aim to exploit a detainee's self-love, allegiance to
or resentment of comrades, or sense of futility. Applied in the right combination,
they wi'll work on nearly everyone, the intelligence soldiers had learned in their
training.
But the Kandahar prisoners were not playing by the army rule book. They
divulged nothing. "Prisoners overcame the [traditional] model almost effortlessly,1I
NY TIMES 7842
writes Chris Mackey in The Interrogators, his gripping account of his interrogation
service in Afghanistan. The prisoners confounded their captors "not with clever
cover stories but with simple refusal to cooperate. They offered lame stories,
pretended not to remember even lhe most basic of details, and then waited for
consequences that never really came."
Some of the al-Qaide fighters had received resistance training, which taught that
Americans were strictly limited in how they could question prisoners. Failure to·
cooperate, the al-Qaida manuals revealed, carried no penalti'es and certainly no
risk of torture-a sign, gloated the manuals, of American weakness.
Even if a prisoner had not previously studied American detention policies before
arriving at Kandahar, he soon figured them OIJt. "It became very clear very early
on to the detainees that the Americans were just going to have them sit there,"
recalls interrogator Joe Martin (a pseudonym). "They realized: 'The Americans
will give us our Holy Book, they'll draw lines on the floor showing us where to
pray. we'll get three meals a day with fresh frUIt, do Jazzercise with the guards, ..
. we can wait them out.' II
Even more challenging was that these detainees bore little resemblance to
traditional prisoners of war. The army's interrogation manual presumed
adversaries who were essentially the mirror image of their captors, motivated by
emotions that all soldiers share. A senior intelligence official who debriefed
prisoners in the 1989 U.S, operation in Panama contrasts the battlefield then and
now: "There were no martyrs down there, believe me," he chuckles. 'ihe
Panamanian forces were more understandable people for us. Interrogation was
pretty straightforward: 'Love of Family' [an army-manual approach, promising,
say, contact with wife or children in exchange for cooperation) or, 'Here's how
you get out of here as fast as you can.' "
"Love of family" often had little purc~ase among the terrorists. however-as did
love of life. "The jihadists would tell you; 'J've divorced this life, I don't care about
NY TIMES 7843
my family,'" recalls an interrogator at Guantcrmamo. "You couldn't shame them."

The fierce hatred that the captives bore their captors heightened their resistance.
The U.S. ambassador to Pakistan reported in January 2002 that prisoners in
Kandahar would "shout epithets at theIr captors, including threats against the
female relatives of the soldiers guarding them, knee marines in the groin, and
say that they will escape and kill 'more Americans and Jews.''' Such animosity
continued in Guantanamo.
Battlefield commanders in Afghanistan and intelligence officials in Washington

kept pressing for information, however. The frustrated interrogators constantly
discussed how to get it. The best hope. they agreed, was to re-create the "shock
of capture"-that vulnerable mental state when a prisoner;s most frightened, most
uncertain, and most likely to respond to questioning. Uncertainty Is an
interrogator's most powerful ally; exploited wisely, it can lead the detainee to
believe that the interrogator is in total control and holds the key to his future. The
Kandahar detainees, however, learned almost immediately what their future held,
no matter how egregious their behavior: nothing untoward.
Many of the interrogators argued for a calibrated use of "stress techniques"-Iong

interrogations that would cut into the detainees' sleep schedules, for example, or
making a prisoner kneel or stand. or aggressive questioning that would put a
detainee on edge.
Joe Martin-a crack interrogator who discovered that a top al-Qaida leader, whom
Pakistan claimed to have in custody, was still at large and directing the Afghani·
resistance·explains the psychological effect of stress: "Let's say a detainee
comes into the interrogation booth and he's had resistance training. He knows
that I'm completely handcuffed and that I can't do anything to him. If I throw a
temper tantrum, lift him onto his knees, and walk out, you can feel his uncertainty
level rise dramatically. He's been told: 'They won't physicallY touch you,' and now
you have. The point is not to beat him up but to introduce the reality into his mind
NY TIMES 7844
that he doesn't know where your limit is." Grabbing someone by the top of the
collar has had a more profound effect on the outcome of questioning than any
actual torture could have, Martin maintains. liThe guy knows: You just broke your
own rules, and that's scary. He might demand to talk to my supervisor. t'll
respond: 'There are no supervisors here,' and give him a maniacal smile."
The question was: Was such treatment consistent with the Geneva conventions?
President Bush had declared in February 2002 that al-Qaida members feU wholly
outside the conventions and that TaUban prisoners would notreceive prisoner-of
war status-without which they, too, would not be covered by the Geneva rules.
Bush ordered, however, that detainees be treated humanely and in accordance
with Geneva principles, to the extent consistent with military necessity. This
second pronouncement sl;Ink in: all of the war on terror's detention facilities
chose to operate under Geneva rules. Contrary to the fulminations of rights
advocates and the press. writes Chris Mackey, "Every signal we interrogators got
from above from the colonelsat [the Combined Forces Land Component
Command] in Kuwait to the officers at Central Command back in Tampa-had
been ... to observe the Conventions,respect prisonerS' rights. and never cut
. corners."
What emerged was a hybrid and fluid set of detention practices. As interrogators
tried to overcome the prisoners' resistance, their reference point remained
Geneva and other humanitarian treaties. But the interrogators pushed into the
outer limits of what they thought the law allowed, undoubtedly recognizing that
the prisoners in their control violated everything the pacts stood for.
The Geneva conventions embody the idea that even in as brutal an actiVity as
war, civilized nations could obey humanitarian rules: no attacking civilians and no
retaliation against enemy soldiers once they fall into your hands. Destruction
would be limited as much as.possible to professional soldiers on the battlefield.
NY TIMES 7845
That rule required, unconditionally, that soldiers distinguish themselves from

civilia~s by wearing uniforms and carrying arms openly.
Obedience to Geneva rules rests on anofher bedrobk moral principle: reciprocity.

Nations will treat an enemy's soldiers humanely because they want and expect
their adversaries to do the same. Terrorists flout every civilized norm animating
the conventions. Their whole purpose is to kill noncombatants. to blend into
civilian populations. and to conceal their weapons. They pay no heed whatever to
the golden rule; anyone who falls into their hands will most certainly not enjoy
commissary prIvileges and wages. per the Geneva mandates. He-or she-may
even lose his head.
Even so, terror interrogators tried to follow the spirit of the Geneva code for
conventional, uniformed prisoners of war. That meant, as the code puts it, that
the detainees could not be tortured or subjected to "any form of coercion" in
order to secure information. They were to be "humanely" treated, protected
against "unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind," and wera entitled
to "respect for their persons and their honour,"
The Kandahar interrogators reached the following rule of thumb, reports Mackey:
if a type of behavior toward a prisoner was no worse than the way the army
treated its own members, it could not be·consldered torture or a violation of the
conventions, Thus, questioning a detainee past his bedtime was lawful as long
as his interrogator stayed up with him. If the interrogator was missing exactly the
same amount of sleep as the detainee-and no tag-teaming of interrogators would
be allowed, the soldiers decided-then sleepdeprivation could not be deemed
torture. In fact, interrogators were routinely sleep-deprived, catnapping maybe
one or two hours a night, even as the detainees were getting long beauty sleeps.
Likewise, if a boot-camp drill sergeant can make a recruit kneel with his arms
stretched out in front without violating the Convention Against Torture, an
Interrogator can use that tool against a recalcitrant terror suspect.
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Did the stress techniques work? Yes. "The harsher methods we used ... tl1e
better information we got and the sooner we got It," writes Mackey, who
emphasizes that the methods never contravened the conventions or crossed
over into torture.
Stress broke a young bomb maker, for instance. Six months Into the war, special
forces brought a young Afghan to the Kandahar facility, the likely accomplice of a
Taliban explosives expert who had been blowing up aid workers. Joe Martin got
the assignment.
''Who's your friend the Americans are looking for?" the interrogation began.
"I don't know,"
"You think this is a joke? What do you think I'll do?"
"Torture me."
So now I understand his fear, Martin recollects,
The interrogation continued: "You'l[ stand here until you tell me your friend,"
"No, sir, he's not my friend,"
Martin picked up a book and started reading. Several hours later, the young
Taliban was losing his balance and was clearly terrified. Moreover, he's got two
"big hillbilly guards staring at him who want to kill him," the interrogator recalls.
''You think THIS is bad?!" the questioning starts up again.
"No. sir."
The prisoner starts to fall: the guards stand him back up, \If he falls again, and
can't get back up, Martin can do nothing further. "I have no rack," he says matter-
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of~factly. The interrogator's power is an illusion; if a detainee refuses to obey a

stress order, an American interrogator has no recourse.
Martin risks a final display of his imaginary authority. "t get in his face, 'What do
you think I will do next?'" he barks. In the captive's mind, days have pass~d, and
he has no idea what awaits him. He discloses where he planted bombs on a road
and where to find his associate. "The price?" Martin asks. "I made a man stand
up. Is this unlawful coercion?"
Under a strict reading of the Geneva protections for prisoners of war, probably:
the army forbids interrogators from even touching lawful combatants. But there is
a huge gray area between the gold standard of POW treatment reserved for
honorable opponents and torture, which consists of the intentional infliction of
severe physical and mental pain. None of the stress techniques that the military
has used in the waron terror comes remotely close to torture, despite the
hysterical charges of administration critics. (The CIA's behavior remains a black
box.) To declare non~torturous stress off~limits for an enemy who plays by no
rules and accords no respect to Western prisoners is folly.
The soldiers used stress techniques to reinforce the traditional psychological

approaches. Jeff {a pseudonym}, an interrogator in Afghanistan. had been
assigned a cocky English Muslim, who justified the 9/11 attacks because women
had been working in the World Trade Center. The British citizen de'fleeted all
further Questioning. Jeff questioned him for a day and a half. without letting hi m
sleep and playing on his religiolJs loyalties. "I broke him on his belief in Islam,"
Jeff recounts. "He realized he had messed up, because his Muslim brothers and
sisters were also in the building." The Brit broke down and cried, then disclosed
the mission that a\~Qaida had put hjm on before captur~. But once the prisoner
was allowed to sleep for six hours, he again "clammed up,"
Halfway across the globe, an Identical debate had broken out, among
interrogators who were encounlering the same obstacles as the Afghanistan
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intelligence team. The U.S. base at Guantanamo was supposed to be getting the
Afghanistan war's worst of the worst: the al-Qaida Arabs and their high Taliban
allies.
Usama bin Ladin's driver and bodyguard were there, along with explosives
experts, al-Qaida financiers and recruiters, would·be suicide recruits, and the
architects of numerous attacks on civilian targets. They knew about al-Qaida's
leadership structure. its communication methods, and its plans to attack the U.S.
And they weren't talking. "They'd laugh at you; 'You've asked me this before,'
they'd say contemptuously," reports Major General Michael Dunlavey, a former
Guantanamo commanding officer. ''Their resistance was tenacious. They'd
already had 90 days In Afghanistan to get their cover stories together and to plan
with their compatriots."
Even more than Afghanistan, Guantanamo dissipated any uncertainty the

detainees might have had about the consequences of noncooperation.
Consistent with the president's calt for humane treatment, prisoners received
expert medical care, three culturally appropriate meals each day, and daily
opportunities for prayer, showers, and exercise. They h~d mail privileges and
reading materials. ,Their biggest annoyance was boredom, recalls one
interrogator. Many prisoners disliked the move from Camp X-Ray, the first facility
used at the base, to the more commodious Camp Delta. because it curtailed their
opportunities for homosexLJal sex, says an intelligence analyst. The captives
protested every perceived infringement of their rights but, as in Afghanistan,
ignored any reciprocal obligation. They hurled excrement and urine at guards,
used their blankets as garrotes, and created additional weapons out of anything
they could get their hands on-including a sink wrenched off a wall. Guards who
responded to the attacks-with pepper spray or a water hose, say-got punished
and, in one case, court-martialed.
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Gitmo personnel disagreed sharply over what toots interrogators could legally
use. The FBI took the most conservative position. When a bureau agent
questioning Mohamedou QuId Siahi-a Mauritanian al-Qaida operative who had
recruited two of the 9/11 pilots-was getting nothing of value, an army interrogator
suggested. "Why don't you mention to him that conspiracy is a capita~ offense?"
"That would be a violation of the Convention Against Torture," shot back the
agent-on the theory that any covert threat innicts "severe mental pain." Never
mind that district attorneys and police detectives routinely invoke the possibility of
harsh criminal penalties to get criminalsto confess. Federal prosecutors in New
York have even been known to remind suspects that they are more likely to keep
their teeth and not end up as sex slaves by pleading to a federal offense, thus
avoiding New York City's Rikers I.sland jail. Using such a method against an al
Qaida jihadist, by contrast. would be branded a serious humanitarian breach.
Top military commanders often matched the FBI's restraint, however. "It was
ridiculous the things we couldn't do," recalls an army interrogator. "One guy said
he would talk if he could see the ocean. It wasn't approved, because it would be
a change of scenery"-a privilege that discriminated in favor of a cooperating
detainee, as opposed to being available to all, regardless of their behavior.
Frustration with prisoner stonewalling reached a head with Mohamed al-Kahtani,

a Saudi Who had been fighting with Usama bin Ladin's bodyguards in
Afghanistan in December 2001. By July 2002, analysts had figured out that
Kahlani was the missing 20th hijacker. He had flown into Orlando International
Airport from Dubal on August 4, 2001, but a Sharp-eyed customs agent had
denied him entry. Waiting for him at the other side of the gate was Mohamed
Atta.
Kahtani's resistance strategies were flawless. Around the first anniversary 01

9/11, urgency to get information on al-Qaida grew. Finally, army officials at
Guantanamo prepared a legal analysis of their interrogation options and
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requested permission from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to use various

stress techniques on Kahtani. Their memo, s~nt up the bureaucratic chain on
October 11, 2002, triggered a fierce six-month struggle In Washington amOng
military lawyers, administration officials, and Pentagon chiefs about interrogation
in the war on terror.
To read the teclmiques requested is to understand how restrained the military

has been in its approach to terror detainees-and how utterly false the torture
narrative has been. Here's what the interrogators assumed they could not do
without clearance from the secretary of defense: yell at detainees (though never
in their ears), use deception (such as posing as Saudi intelligence agents), and
put detainees on MREs (meals ready to eat-vacuum-sealed food pouches eaten
by millions of soldiers. as well as vacationing backpackers) instead of hot rations.
The interrogators promised that this dangerous dietary measure would be used
only in extremis. pending local approval and special training.
The most controversial technique approved was "mild, non-injurious physical

contact such as grabbing, poking in the chest with the finger, and light pushing,"
to be reserved only for a "very small percentage of the most uncooperativ~
detainees" believed to possess critical intelligence. A detainee could be poked
only after review by Gitmo's commanding general of intelligence and the
commander of the U.S. Southern Command in Miami, and only pursuant to
"careful coordination" and monitoring.
None of this remotely approaches torture or cruel or degrading treatment.

Nevertheless, fanatically cautious Pentagon lawyers revolted, claIming that the
methods approved for Kahtani violated international law. Uncharacteristically
irresolute, Rumsfeld rescinded the Guantanamo techniques in January 2003.
Kahtani's interrogation hung fire for three months, while a Washington

committee, with represent~tives from the undersecretary of defense. the Defense
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Intelligence Agency, the air force, army, navy, and marine corps, and attorneys
from every branch of the mHitary, considered how to approach the 20th hijacker.
The outcome of this massive deliberation was more restrictive than the Geneva
, conventions themselves, even though they were to apply only to unlawful
combatants, not conventional prisoners of war, and only to those held at
Guantanamo Bay. It is worth scrutinizing the final 24 techniques Rumsfeld
approved for terrorists at Gitmo in April 2003. since these are the techniques that
the media presents as the source of "torture" at Abu Ghraib. The torture narrative
holds that illegal methods used at Guantanamo migrated to Iraq and resUlted in
the abuse of prisoners there.
So what were these cruel and degrading practices? For one, providing a
detainee an incentive for cooperation~such as a cigarette or, especially favored in
Cuba, a McDonald's Filet~O-Fish sandwich or a Twinkie unless specifically
approved by the secretary of defense. In other words, if an interrogator had
learned that Usama bin Ladin's accountant loved Cadbury chocolate, and
intended to enter the interrogation booth armed with a Dairy Milk Wafer to extract
the name of a Saudi financier, he needed to "specifically determine that military
necessity requires" the use of the Dairy Milk Wafer and send an alert to
Secretary Rumsfeld that chocolate was to be deployed .a9a;nst an al~Qaida
operative.
Similar restrictions-a specific finding of military necessity and notice to Rumsfeld

applied to other tried-and-true army psychological techniques. These Included
"Pride and Ego Down"-attacking a detainee's pride to goad him into revealing
critlcallnformation~as well as "Mutt and Jeff,"the classic good cop-bad cop
routine of countless police shows. IsolatIng a detainee from other prisoners to
prevent collaboration and to increase his need to talk required not just notice and
a finding of military necessity but "detailed implementation instructions [and)
medical and psychological review."
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The only non-conventional "stress" techniques on the final Guantanamo list are
such innocuous interventions as adjusting the temperature or introducing an
unpleasant smell into the interrogation room, but only if the interrogator is present .
at all times: reversing a detainee's sleep cycles from night to day (call this the
"Flying to Hong Kong" approach); and convincing a detainee that his interrogator
is not from the U.S.
Note that none of the treatments shown in the Abu Ghraib photos, such as nUdity
or the use of dogs, was included in the techniques certified for the unlawful
combatants held in Cuba.,And those mild techniques that were certified could
only be used wi1h extensive bureaucratic oversight and medical monitoring to
w
ensure "humane," "safe," and "lawful application.
After Rumsfeld cleared the 24 methods, i~terrogators approached Kahtani once

again. They relied almost exclusively on isolation and lengthy interrogations.
They also used some. "psy-ops" (psychological operations). Ten or so·
interrogators would gather and sing the Rolling Stones' "Time Is on My Side"
outside Kahtani's cell. Sometimes they would playa recording of "Enter
Sandman" by the heavy-metal group MetalJica, which brought Kahtani to tears,
because he thought (not implausibly) he was hearing the sound of Satan.
Finally, at 4 am-after an 18-hour, occasionally loud. interrogation. during which

Kahtan! head-butted his interrogators-he started giving up information, convinced
that he was being sold out by his buddies. The entire process had been
conducted under the watchful eyes of a medic, a psychiatrist. and lawyers, to
make sure that no harm was done. Kahtan; provided detailed information on his
meetings with Usama bin Ladin, on Jose Padilla and Richard Reid, and on
Adnan Et Shukrijumah. one of the FBI's most wanted terrorists, believed to be
wandering between South and North America.'
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Since then, according to Pentagon officrals, none of the non-traditional

techniques approved for Kahtani has been used on anyone else at Guantanamo
Bay,
The final strand in the "torture narrative~ is the least grounded in actual practice,
.. ,
but it has had the most distorting effect on the public'debate. In the summer of
2002. the CIAsDught legal advice about permissible interrogation techniques for
the recently apprehended Abu Zubaydah, Usama bin Ladin's chief recruiter in the
1990s. The Palestinian Zubaydah had already been sentenced to death in
absentia in Jordan for an abortive plot to bomb hotels there during the millennium
celebration; he had arranged to obliterate the Los Angeles airport oli the same
night. The CIA wanted to use techniques on Zubaydah that the military uses on
marines and other elite fighters in Survive, Evade, Resist, Escape (SERE)
school, which teaches how to withstand torture and other pressures to
collaborate. The techniques are classified. but none allegedly involves physical
contact. (Later, the CIA is said to have used "water-boarding"-temporarily
SUbmerging a detainee in water to induce the sensation of drowning-on Khalid
Sheik Mohammad, the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks. Water-boarding is the
most extreme method the CIA has applied, according to a former Justice
Oepal1ment attorney, and arguably it crosses the line into torture.)
In response to the CIA's request. Assistant Attorney General Jay S. Bybee

produced a hair-raising memo that understandably caused Widespread alarm.
Bybee argued that a U.S. law ratifying the 1984 Convention Against Torture
covering all persons, whether lawful combatants or not-forbade only physical
pain equivalent to that "accompanying serious physical injUry, such as organ
failure, impairment of bodily function, or even death," or mental pain that resulted
in "significant psychological harm of significant duration, e.g., lasting for months
or even years." More troubling still, Bybee concluded that the torture statute and
international humanitarian treaties did not bind the executive branch in wartime.
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This infamous August "torture memo" represents the rligh (or low) point of the
Bush administration's theory of untrammeled presidential war-making power. But
note: it had nothing to do with the interrogation debates and experiments
unfolding among Pentagon lnterrogators in Afghanistan and Cuba. These
soldiers struggling wIth al-Qaida resistance were perfectly ignorant about
executive-branch deliberations on the outer boundaries of pain and executive
power (which, in any case, were prepared for and seen only by the CIA). "We
had no idea what went On in Washington," said Chris Mackey in an interview. A
Guantanamo lawyer involved in the Kahtani interrogafion echoes Mackey: "We .
w~re not aware of the [Justice Department and White House] debates."
Interrogators in Iraq were equally unaware of the Bybee memo.
Nevertheless, when the Bybee analysis was released in June 2004, it became
the capstone on the torture narrative, the most damning link between the
president's decision that the Geneva conventions didn't apply to terrorists and the
sadistic behavior of the military guards at Abu Ghraib. Seymour Hersh, the left
wing journalist who broke the Abu Ghraib story. claims that the Bybee torture
memo was the "most suggestive document, in terms of what was really going on
inside military prisons and detention centers."
But not only is the Bybee memo irrelevant to what happened in Abu Ghraib; so,
too, are the previous Interrogation debates in Afghanistan and Cuba. The abuse
at Abu Ghraib resulted from the Pentagon's failure to plan for any outcome of the
Iraq invasion except the most rosy scenario, its failure to respond to the
insurgency once it broke out, and its failure to keep military discipline from
collapsing in the understaffed Abu Ghraib facility. Interrogation rules were beside
the point.
As the avalanche of prisoners taken in the street fighting overwhelmed the

inadequate contingent of guards and officers at Abu Ghraib, order within the
. ranks broke down as thoroughly as order In the operation of the prison Itself.
NY TIMES 7855
Soldiers talked back to their superiors, refused to wear uniforms, operated

prostitution and bootlegging rings, engaged in rampant and public sexual
misbehavior, covered the facilities with graffiti, and indulged in drinking binges
while on duty. No one knew who was in command. The guards' sadistic and
sexualized treatment of prisoners was just an extension of the chaos they were.
already wallowing in with no restraint from above. Meanwhile. prisoners regularly
rioted; insurgents shelled the compound almost dally; the army sent only rotten.
bug-infested rations; and the Iraqi guards sold favors to the highest bidders
among the insurgents.
The idea that the abuse of the Iraqi detainees resulted from the president's
decision on the applicability of the Geneva conventions to al-Qaida and Taliban
detainees is absurd on several grounds. Everyone in the military chain of
command emphasized repeatedly that the Iraq conflict would be governed by the
conventions in their entirety. The interrogation rules that local officers developed
for Iraq explicitly stated that they were promulgated under Geneva authority, and
that the conventions applied. Moreover, almost all the behavior shown in the
photographs occurred in the dead of night among military police, wholly separate
from interrogations. Most abuse victims were not even scheduled to be
interrogated. because they were of no intelligence value. Finally, except for the
presence of dogs. none of the behavior shown in the photos was included in the
interrogation rules promulgated in Iraq. Mandated masturbation, dog leashes,
assault, and stacking naked prisoners in pyramids-none of these depredations
was an approved (or even contemplated) interrogation practice, and no
interrogator ordered the military guards 10 engage in them.
It is the case that intelligence officers in Iraq and Afghanistan were making use of
nUdity and phobias about dogs at the time. NUdity was not officIally sanctioned,
and the official rule about dogs only allowed their "presence" in the Interrogation
booth, not their being sicced on naked detainees. The argument that such
techniques contributed to a dehumanization of the detainees, which in turn led to
NY TIMES 7856
their abuse. is not wholly implausible. Whether or not those two particular
stressors are worth defending (and many interrogators say they are not), their
abuse should not discredit the validity of other stress techniques that the military
was cautiously experimenting with in the months before Abu Ghraib.
That experiment is over. Reeling under the PR disaster of Abu Ghraib. the
Pentagon shut down every stress technique but one-isolation-and that can be
used only after extensive review. An interrogator who so much as requests
permission to question a detainee into the night could be putting his career in
jeopardy. Even the traditional army psychological approaches have fallen under
a deep cloud of suspicion: deflating a detainee's ego, aggressive but non
physical histrionics, and good cop-bad cop have been banished along with sleep
deprivation.
Timidity among officers prevents the energetic application of those techniques

that remain. Interrogation plans have to be triple-checked all the way up through
the Pentagon by officers who have never conducted an interrogation in their
lives.
In losing these techniques, interrogators have lost the ability to create the
uncertainty vital to getting terrorist information. Since the Abu Ghraib scandal
broke, the military has made public nearly every record of its internal
interrogation debates, providing al·Qaida analysts with an encyclopedia of U.S.
methods and constraints. Those constraints make perfectly clear that the
interrogator is not in control. "'n reassuring the world about our limits, we have
destroyed our biggest asset: detainee doubt," a senior Pentagon intelligence
official laments.
Soldiers on the ground are noticing the consequences. "The Iraqis atready know
the game. They know how to play us," a marine chief warrant officer told the Wall
Street Joumal in August. "Unless you catch the Iraqis in the act, It Is very hard to
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pin anything on anyone .... We can't even use basic police interrogation
tactics,"
And now the rights advocates, energized by the Abu Ghraib debacle. are making
o'ne final push to halt interrogation altogether. In the New York Timess words,
a".•
the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) ;s now condemning the
thoroughly emasculated interrogation process at Guantimamo Bay as a "system
devised to break the will of the prisoners [and} make them wholly dependent on
their interrogators." In otherwords. the ICRe opposes traditional interrogation
itself, since all interrogation is designed to "break the will of prisoners" and make
them feel "dependent on their interrogators." But according to an leRe report
leaked to the Times, "the construction of such a system, whose stated purpose is
the production of intelligence. cannot be considered other than an intentional
system of cruel, unusual and degrading treatment and a form of torture."
But contrary to the fantasies of the international-law and human rights lobbies, a
world in which all interrogation is illegal and rights are indiscriminately doled out
is not a safer or more just world. Were the United States to announce that
terrorists would be protected under the Geneva conventions. it would destroy any
incentive our ruthless enemies have to comply with the laws of war. The
. Washington Postand the New York Times understood that truth In 1987, when
they supported President Ronald Reagan's rejection of an amendment to the
Geneva conventions that would have granted lawful·combatant status to
terrorists, Today, however, those same opinion makers have done an about-face,
though the most striking feature of their denunciations of the Bush
administration's Geneva decisions is their failure to offer any explanation for how
al·Qaida could possibly be covered under the plain meaning of the text.
The Pentagon is revising the rules for interrogation. If we hope to succeed in the
war on terror, the final product must allow Interrogators to use stress techniques
against unlawful combatants. Chrts Mackey testIfies to how "Ineffective
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schoolhouse methods were in getting prisoners to talk." He warns that his team
"failed to break prisoners who I have no doubt knew of terrorist plots or at least
terrorist cells that may one day do us harm. Perhaps they would have talked if
faced with harsher methods. It
The stresp techniques that the military has used to date are not torture; the
advocates can only be posturing in calling them such. On its website, Human
Rights Watch lists the effects of real torture: "from pain and swelling to broken
bones, irreparable neurological damage, and chronic painful musculoskeletal
problems ... [to] long-term depression, post-traumatic stress disorder, marked
sleep disturbances and alterations in self-perceptions, not to mention feelings of
powerlessness. of fear, guilt and shame." Though none of the techniques that
Pentagon interrogators have employed against al-Qaida comes anywhere close
to risking such effects, Human Rights Watch nevertheless follows up its list with
an accusation of torture against the Bush administration.
The pressure on the Pentagon to outlaw stress techniques won't abate, as the
American Civil Liberties Union continues to release formerly classified
government docuf!lentsobtained in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit
concerning detention and interrogation. As of late December, the memos have
merely confirmed that the FBI opposes stress methods. though the press
breathlessly portrays them as confirming "torture."
Human Rights Watch, the JCRC, Amnesty International, and the other self
professed guardians of humanitarianism need to come back to earth-to the real
world in which torture means what the Nazis and the Japanese did in their
concentration and POW camps in World War II; the world in which evil regimes,
like those we fought in Afghanistan and Iraq, don't follow the Miranda rules or the
Convention Against Torture but instead gas children, bury people alive, set wild
animals on soccer players who lose, and hang adulterous women by truckloads
before stadiums full of spectators; the world in which barbarous death cults
NY TIMES 7859
behead female aid workers, bomb crowded railway stations, and fly planes filled
with hundreds of innocent passengers into buildings filled with thousands of
innocent and' unsuspecting civilians. By definition, our terrorist enemies and their
state supporters have declared themselves enemies of the civilized order and its
humanitarIan rules. In fighting them, we must of course hold ourselves to our own
high moral standards without. however, su~umbing to the utopian illusion that
we can prevail while immaculately observing every precept of the Sermon on the
Mount. It is the necessity of this fallen world that we must oppose evil with force:
and we must use all the lawful means necessary to ensure that good, rather than
evil, triumphs.
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From: Merritt. Roxie T. CAPT, OASD·PA

Sent: Thursday. December 30,20047:28 PM
SUbject: FW: Good News
FYI. Been worKing on this one with Ken Robinson at CNN since this past summer. We are finally getting some traction on
it.
From: Pittman, CAPT Harold E. (USN) [mailto:pittmahe
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 11:34 AM
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Cc:
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Subject: RE: Good News
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CNN who also happens to be a retired Army SOF guy... Ken is also the brains behind the CNN Presents GWOT program
we are working with Aaron Brown as the host.
ThiS is an opportunity to get some good news co...erage from Iraq on CNN - You essentially provide some tactoids to Ken
that can be used on the program and line up an interview from In country (using DVIDs) that could (I am assuming) be
taped or could air live...
ThoughtS?
Thanks, vr/Hal
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From: Robinson, Ken [ma\lto:Ken.RobinSon@l;~$Mt~:~0!1.i;)H!!:;}}mf;1
Sent: Thursday, December 30,2004 7:24 PM
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To: 'pittmahe
Cc: 'fanow
.Subject: Good News
If I had some guidance, facto ids, and a bit of access, I could envision a story about the REMARKABLE works that have been
accomplished, under the most HOSTILE conditions imagined...as we lead in to the elections... ~
.,-,<.•..
Things such as roads, schoold, hospitals, shelters, jobs, training, ALL done, on almost a daily basis, while under fire....
A counter to the IF IT BLEEDS IT LEADS story +
We could call it ~the rest of the story, drowned out by the sound of a gun or bomb... the born!> sound dies out, the schools, educated
children, the infrastructure makes life better for the next generation.
I'd grab a big guest from Capt Roxie Merritt....so tape from the region, and some q and e, and place it in primetirne, Sunday slot, 6PM.
I would start this on Jan 9th, 18:00p, then roll it Into Jan 10th, '13:00 to 15:30.
Then put all the factoids into a web article on CNN.Com.
This would be to balance the bloody shirt ofthe day reponing, ALL Networks are gui Ity of..
Any takers?
VR,
Ken
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From:·' Merritt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PA

Sent: Wednesday, December 29. 2004 7:31 PM
To: Ruff. Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Whitman. Bryan. SES, OASD-PA
SUbject: FW: Summary of Mr. O'Connel"s interview on the Tony Snow Show
FYI.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 5:14 PM
To: Merritt, Roxie- T. CAPT, OASD-PA
Cc: Swiergosz. Paul, Maj. OASD-~A
Subject: Summary of Mr. O'Connell's interview on the Tony Snow Show
Ma'am,
AS discussed, the interview went very well. It lasted 30 minutes. They took no
calls. Instead they stuck to the enclosed format that Col (ret.) Bill Cowan had sent (see
email below). Cowan was the stand-in for Snow. Mr . O'Connell making the' following key
points:
The Goldwater-Nichols and Cohen-Nunn acts significantly changed SF for the better and
changed it from being a strp child to an integral part of the military. Both acts ensure
close civilian supervision. increased coordination and increased capabiiity. The bottom
line is that Congress acted wisely with Goldwater-Nichols and Cohen-Nunn.
Reviewed Enduring Special operations Truths:
Hum~ns are more important than hardware.
Quality is better than quantity.
SOF cannot be mass produced.
SOP cannot be created after emergenci~s arise.
Noted SF troops are due to increase from 49k to 52k next fiscal yea.
Replied to the question about women in SF by noting that while some units are closed to
them (e.g. Green Berets, Seals, etc.) that women are at the HQ elements and with PSYOP and
civil affair'S. Also said ... "they're part of the team. We're proUd of them."
Noted current accomplishments of SF
- Seals seizure of Oil Platforms in OlF prevented an ecological disaster and saved SlOB in
damages.
- lOth SF in Northern Iraq got in prior to OlP and helped pin down 13 Iraqi divisions.
- 7th SF in Colombia have been instrumental in transforming the Colombian military and
containing the FARQ.
Noted the future of SF depends on POTUS and SecDef but regardless of their future plans SP
will have a role in helping deal with ungovernable areas o~ the world.
R/
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To; Swiergasz, Paul, Maj. OASD~PA
Cc: ~mXm},%:!!~;;t:h!m:\!'>;A'(>;;'fn;@i'iimm:;j ,
Subject: RE: O'Connell interview on 12/29
paul
for wednesday's show, i basically wane to do the following:
introduce the Secretary pr~perly by noting his distinguished background and

the fact that he's uniquely qualified for the job.
,> talking briefly about how SpecOps has changed since the legislation of '87.
that is, how it looked before and how it looks now.
mention what roles/missions each of the services play in the specOpa
community. including some of the training they go through.
talk about the role of women in ~he SpecOps community.
talk about what SpecOps is doing in Iraq and Afghanistan.
talk about the role of SpecOps in the future.
under no circumstances will i ask or push for information which is

classified or even close to it, nor will i talk politics inside or outside
the beltway. this should be an enjoyable session. we've got LOTS of
listeneraaround the country, Borne catching it on delayed broadcast. so
we'll avoid talking about 'morning'.
questions/concerns? call me at
could i get a copy of his resume?
thanks much.
reap'y,
bill
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Sent: Tuesday. 7 2004 10:43 AM
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Mr. O'Connell forwarded your request for interview on the 29th. My pleasure
to arrange.
Feel free to givl!' me a call and we can set it up.
Y/r,
MAJ Paul Swiergosz
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From: Oi Rita, Larry, CIV, OSO·OASD·PA

1'0: Rut!. Eric, SES. OASD-PA
Subject; Re: Let the Big Dog Run (Babbin)
Busy enough for you? tlell done all around ... with I.lchmitt. you should turn it. intD a
virtue and acknowledge directly tha~ the senior leaders of the department, including
service second's, depaec, and seedef, have reached out to key·m~mbers and they have been
appreciative for the consultation and understand·all we are trying to do ... you might
suggest that if staff and others are unaware, it is understandable that they may be
anxious but that since everything is pre-decisional we are trying to focus the info at the
member level only ... no specifics as to who has .been called, but the fact that there has
been outreach and consultation so the members would be able to put disconnected and out of
context stories {such as loren thompson'al into perspective., . assume schmitt has loren's
piece and suggest that there may be outcries by people out of the loop or wedded to the
past, but that the members seemed to understand and know that transformation reqUires
tough choices ... a thought ... great work today ...
From: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD·PA <Eric.RUff~~110(0100!~~~~
To: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA <larry.dirita~~M~0N000B~
Sent: Tue Dec 2e 19: 01: 03 2004 .
Subject: RE: Let the Big Dog Run (Babbin)
yes. i spoke with him and he has waived of! the story for now. gave him erv's assessments
of hmx involvement and held back erv's specific statement. he said if it wasn't hmx then
it had to be pe~. i said that would be one that was under consideration and reminoed that
the investigation is ongoing. i told him he is the only reporter to work this angle and
that i would be int touch with him if i got any indications that something had changed.
he was very sangu ine about the whole thing. i ve. informedf.red j ones at nsc.
I
meantime, i 've learned from ~~~:~~)l1!@i);@);ii't));;;l@f~i;)jthat ~ll explosi'l(es have a "tag it'·, which is a
chemical that is mixed in that will not be destroyed in an explosion. this "tag it" is
meant to be a. fingerprint that allows investigators to trace the munition back to its
manufacturer. i've asked barry to go ask the army if the tag its for the hmx in ai qaqaa
were ever known. told him to press hard.
also spoke to eric schmitt. he has the story on the f22. i would not confirm the number
of aircraft to be produced and he said he had the info (around 150 total) from dod. admin
and hill sources. he asked if we had been talking to the hill and i confirmed that. i
worked· from the talking points and started up front on the bullets pertaining to the
budget we are developing -- acclerate army transition to more powerful and deploybable
force, transformation, etc. then worked in the gdr talking point and others in th~ f22
talkers.
i'rn fairly certain hiD original source on this was capitol hill. he also had spoken to
omb public affairs.
regarding tsUnami, the president will be making a statement tomorrow. l've asked marine
bg. john allen, head of asian-pacific affairs in rodman's shop, to put together a gaggle
for our reporters afterward. we need to knit together all that is being done.
thanks, eric
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Subject: Re: Let the Big Dog Run (Babbin)
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Read it ... it is pretty rough, even if well intended ... p.s. Saw your note about the talk
radio progress ... terrific!! ... any more about sanger?
Fran: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA eErie.Ruff,
To; Di Rita, Larry. Cry.

OSD-OASD-PA elarry.dirita
Sent: 'rue Dec 2B lB:29~:3~ 2004
,,"' Subj ect: FW: Let the Big Dog Run (Eabbin)
hopefUlly you can read this version. lemme know if you think i should reconsider whether
to send. i think we should go by my initial thought, btw. thanks, eric
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subject: Let the Big Dog Run (Babbin)
Great Article by Jed Babbin
Let the Big Dog Run

By Jed Babbin <MailTo:editor@spectator.org~
Published 12/28/2004 12:08:57 AM
'\'
Dan Rather grimaces whenever pronouncing the man's name. Mo Dowd, the New York
TimeB'3 anti-testosterone columnist. is so crazed by him that she writes lousy poetry
attacking him. John McCain says he has no confidence in him. and the most prominent
members of the Ankle-Biter Caucus -- Trent Lott, Chuck Hagel and Susan Collins -- all line
up to take their shots at Big Dog Donald Rums{eld. the man they love ~o hate. Even Wade
Sanders -- one of the Swift Boa.t vets who ca.mpaigned for Kerry -- is in on the ~ct.
Sanders sounds a lot like Lott, Hagel. and Collins. Or is it the. other way around?
The harpies of the left •• and the opportunists of the right ~- realize that because the
path to victory or defeat in any war is strewn with setbacks'and mistakes, Rumsfeld i6
much more exposed to their flak than newly reelected President Bush. Rumsfeld stands for
everything they despise about President Bush: decisiveness, directn~ss and -- most
unforgivably -- impatience with those who most richly deserve it. Like the CIA. the State
Department. and the U.N., just for starterO. Mr. Rumsfeld 'actually had the audacity to
call Old Europe by its proper name and, according to Ken Timmerman's book, The French
Betrayal of America, was fond of quoting your humble servant I 5 words. "Going to war
without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. You just leave a lot of
noisy, useless' ba9"9"age behind." Oh, the horror.
THE LATEST KERFUFFLE resulted from a session Mr. Rumsfeld had with soldiers in Iraq on
December 8. where he answered a soldier's question about the scarcity of armor for light
vehicles in Iraq. If you listen to MoDo. CBS and John McCain, you would believe Rumsfeld
told the soldier, ~that's a stupid question, and we don't worry about it because we don't
give a damn·aboutyour lite or safety." But that'~ not even close to what he said.
The "question" -- really a short speech 'written by a. reporter ~- said. "Our soldiers have
been fighting in Iraq for coming up on three years. A. lot of us are getting ready to move
north relatively soon. Our vehicles are not armored. we're digging pieces of rusted scrap
metal and compromised ballistic glass that's already been shot up, dropped, busted,
piCKing the best our. of this Elcrap t.o pu,; on our vehicles to take into combat. l"e do not
have proper armament vehicles to carry with us north."
Mr. Rumsfeld responded honestly and at le~gth. He said he talked to the commanding general
on the way out to meet the soldiers about the pace at Which the vehicles are being
armor~d. He said, the vehicles "have been brought from allover the world, wherever
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theY're not needed, to a place here where they are needed. I'm told that they are being -
the Army is -- I think it'a something like 400 a month are being done. And it's
eoaentiallya matter of phY9~cs. It isn't a matter of money. It isn't a matter on the part
of the Army of desire. It's a matter of production and capability of doing it.
"As you know, you go to war with the·Army you have. They're not the Army you might want or
wish to have at a later time. Since the. Irag conflict began, the Army has been pressing
ahead to produce the armor necessary at a rate that they believe -- it's a greatly
expanded rate from what existed preViously, but a rate that they believe is the rate that
is all that can be accomplished at this moment." In short, an honest answer from a
concerned leader. (You can read the transcript of the whole session here
<http://www.defenselink.mil/tr~n5criptS/2004/tr2004120a-secdefl761.html~.) And,
though
yOU'll never learn this from the ankle-biters, Rumsfeld received a standing ovation from
the troops when the session ended.
EVER SINCE THE FALL of Baghdad, Mr. Rumsfeld has suffered one media feeding frenzy after
another. When the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal broke, he and Joint Chiefs chairman
Gen. Dick Myers were subjected to a six-hour marathon of con9ressional hearings in which
they were SUbjected to little speeches by little men aimed mOre at scoring a sound bite on
the evening news than at getting answers. He has been accused of spending too much on the
war, and too little. His faults a~e found in every failure on the battlefield and in the
nation-building process we are pursuing in Iraq. Few know, and fewer still care, about the
facts of the latter.
In the planning for the Iraq campaign, Mr. Rumsfeld proposed a plan· in which a provisional
government would have been formed before the invasion. and would have taken over
immediately, reducing the need for American presence, and making our presence that of one
ally helping another. A competing plan, advanced by Colin Powell and George Tenet, chose
an extended occupation with Iraq ruled by a MacArthur-like consul, and gradual turnover of
Iraq to an interim government chosen by the major representatives of the Iraqi population.
The President chose the latter, the wrong plan, and then stuck Rumsfeld with the job of
implementing a plan Rumsfeld knew was not likely to succeed. In the past twenty months,
the interim government wasn't formed as predicted, because some of the major Iraqi leaders
-- most notably leading Shia cleric Ali al-Sistani -- refused to play L. Paul Bremer's
diplomatic games. Worse still, the President hasn't yet decided to deal with the
insurgency at its sources. Without the support of Syria and Iran, the insurgency wouldn't
be able to continue under the constant pressure of Coalition military action.
NOW, with the Iraqi election scheduled in about five weeks, Rumsfeld is still struggling
to push the lraqis into democracy, and with mixed results. Predictably, the U.N. -- whose
function it is to assist new democracies in running elections -- has refused to help bail
~merica out of a situation that the U.N. opposed. In Iraq, a nation of about 24 million,
tens of thousands of election assistance representatives shou~d be on the ground. Instead,
che UN h~s -- so far -- provided fewer than fifty. And, somehow, to those who oppose the
PreSident and the war we are fighting, that's all Rumsfeld's fault. Nonsense.
FORTUNATELY FOR MR. RUMSFELD, and for UB. the President has spoken forcefully in support
of Rumsfeld and the job he is doing. And for every CBS there is a Mitch McConnell. For
every New York Times or CNN, there is a Pete Domenici, a Bill Prist, a Kay Bailey
Hutchison and a Jim Inhofe. And a Jeff Sessions. All of those senators have spoken out in
Mr. Rumsfeld's defense, and quieted the media feeding frenzy. For a while.
~labama RepUblican Jeff Sessions is one of Rumsfeld's most respected and outspoken
supporters. He took time from his Christmas Eve shopping trip to talk to me about the
current attacks on the Big Dog. Sessions said Rumsfeld is a "remarkable man. He'B been the
point man in the war on terror·£rom the beginning." Rumsfeld "understands the military and
its need to transform."
I asked Sen. Sessions what motiva~es Rumsfeld's critics. He said there were three reasons.
First. he said, "the Democrat.s are determined to find fault" in the war and how it is
being run. Sessions sees that in any war, the enemy evolves and so must we. He sa,id·,
"Rumsfeld, the president and all of their team have to be on top of this and able to
change tactics at a moment' s notice." He t 5 confident they are, and are getting the job
done.·
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The second reason, Sessions said, is that "people who have bE;!en supportive of the war,
including some editors, are now more difficult." Many of t.hose who advocated the Iraq
campaign most veh~mently are now afraid that they'll be blamed for its failures and the
sacritices our troops are called upon to make it succeed. Though sessions didn't say it.
it's clear that some of those vehement advocates of invading Iraq -- including one notable
neoconnagazine -- are political cowards. Sessions said, "The second-guessers enjoy coming
out and shooting the [pol! tically] wounded." It I S not hard to figure out who he meant.
The third reason is that there is always ".some temptation to pl'ay ~or the media." If
you're a Republican senator, the best way to buy a place on Meet the Press is to crit.i,cize
the President. B~cause the President ~s in eo strong a position. it's not possible to
damage him -- yet. -- by carping about the daily problems in Iraq. That leaves the people
who are running the show as the only practical target, and that means Mr. Rumsfeld.
MR. RUMSFELD SUFFERS from one of the faults his boas often displays: loyalty to thOse who
are not loyal to hi.m, and those who don't do their jobs well. It's unheard of to he ~hree
yearo into a war and never ~o have fired a general. The military leadership Mr. Rums:~~d
works with is not of his creation. Those generals rose to prominence under the Clintont.
and many are more politically minded t.han warrior~like. Nei~her Rumsfeld nor the President
has fired a single one, despite some bad decisions and -- in the case of former Army Chief
of Sta:=f Eric Shinseki -- not only bad judgment but political campaigning against thE!
President's plans and objectives. Shinseki should have been fired, bu~ wasn't. Too many of
the Clinton-chosen bureaucrat-generals remain on duty today, though warriors should long
ago have taken their place. Military trans:=ormation means t)."ansforming the generals. not
just the hardware.
aut Jeff Sessions has it right. As another Southern gentleman of my acquaintance often
says. "If you can't run with the big dogs, you'd better go sit on the porch." That
admonition should be taken to heart-by all the ankle biters in congress and the press who
are calling for the beheading of Big Dog Don Rumsfeld. Their criticisms -- especially
those coming from congressional Republicans -. are the'worst sort of cowardice and
political opportunism.
TAS Contributing Editor Jed Babbin is the author of Inside the Asylum: Why the UN and Old
Europe Are Worse Than You Think (Regnery Publishing).
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From: Merrllt, Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PA

Sent: Tuesday, December 28,2004 3:18 PM
To: Ruff,' Eric, SES, OASD-PA
SUbject: FW: Brief Summary of fG Body Army Report
C~ptain, U.S. Navy

peralions
In summary (as per our in-person conversation of 1:02 p.m.. loo): the Army IG report looked from December 2003 to April
2004 into three items: (1) how fast bOdy armor was oblained, (2) how fast it was sent to Iraq, and (3) how fast it was
distributed once in Iraq to our Soldiers. .
The fG findings actually are pretty positive: lhe recommendations found we couldn't get It to the troops within the
normal 14-day DOD standard because in some places the body armor had to be delivered by vehicle to the Soldiers
(taking 31 days from start to finish). Secondly, the lG report cleared up an accounting mix up of 30,000 sets of body armor
-- those items merely were In transit or improperly accounted for between the two locatIons.
We can provide you shortly with a copy of the actually redacted version of the Army lG report going to Mr. Mike Moss at
the New York Times ... once the redactions of names, vUlnerabilitIes. etc. are complete.
As you know, lastly ... every Soldier going Into Iraq now hiS body armor -- we achieved the desired goal
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Cc: Rhynedance, George COL DASD-PA; CPA; rtr~*j~Fhi'i,:)i;;We<)WloCPA; Keek, Gary Col O,ASD·PA
SUbject: RE: Military Analvst Phone CaU: Armor, otection Year-end RevIew (12:45 p.m., 30 Dec. 2004)
Please provide additional information on the findings of the IG report.
Captain, U.S. Navy

erations
Mr. Lawrence, may I please solicit your assistance for a desIred phone conference call this "rhursday with the
military analysts who advise the cable news networks? The topic would be a brlef year.end review of efforts to
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equip Soldiers with body armor and to upannor our vehicles - as part of force protection efforts The ptlone
conference call would start, ideally, at 12:45 p.m. on Thursday, and last for 20 minutes with officials from Army
logistics and operations. .
CAPT Merrill, Ma'am, we would then follow the pianned phone conference call with a small roundtable of no
more than five prtnt media ~·Ijkely the Washington Post. New York Times, Associated Press, Army Times anI;!
Newhouse News Service -- to address several pending, similar queries that we've received: to include Mr. Tom
Ricks of the Washington Post inquiring about additional uparrnorlng for the M-113s that the 3ro Infantry Division
would use during their upcoming Iraq deployment and a request from Mr. Mike Moss of the New York Times for
the April 2004 Army Inspector General report on body armor. That redacted report addressed how fest we
procured needed body armor, how fast we got it to country and then distributed tl) the deployed troops. Since
we've had similar media queries from others, it makes sense to brief a small group on these topics and ensure
that the analysts also are aware since one of these already-working stories might be planned for as early as this
weekend.
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NY TIMES 7871
From: Barber. Allison, CIV, OASD·PA

Subject: Re: Military Analyst Phone Call: Armor, Force Protection Year-end Review (12:45 p.rn" 30
Dec. 2004)
I know. r am here to helpl!!! Ha.
Allison Barber
Deputy .Assis~ant Secretary of Defense
Sent from·my BlackBerry Handheld.
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From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASri-PA <Dallas.Lawrenc
To: Barber, Allison, CIV. OASD-PA <Allison.Barber
Sent: Tue Dec 2B 14:13:~S 2004
Subject: Re: Military Analyst Phone Call: Armor, Force Protection Year-end Review (12:45
p.m:, 30 Dec. 2004)
~ric? Have an opinion? I'm shocked, shocked I sayL

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From: BaJ:'ber. Allison. CIV, OASD-PA <Allison.Barber
To: Lawrence. Dallas, OASD-PA <Dallas.Lawrence
Sent, Tue Dec 2B 14,09,19 2004
Subject: Re: Military AnalyBt Phone Call: Armor, Force Protection Year-end Review (12:45
p.m., 30 Dec. 2004)
We do set up calls for the services but it is rare that the army is forward leaning!!
Let's go ahead and do it.
Let eric know we are doing it --he will probably have an opinion. Also let him know chat l'
approved it.
Th:X
Allison Barber
Sent fTom my ElackBerry Handheld.
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From; Lawrence, Da.llas. OASD- PA <Dallas. Lawrencei;;;;;''ltwgi::f:L;\;P;:'')i';Wi.\
~~~t~a~:rDe~l;~S~~;5~~~~ ~~~.PA <Allison.Barber ;~~d0001i0%0illill
Subject: Fw: Military Analys~ Phone Call: Armor, Force ?rotect1on Year-end Review (12:45
p.m., 30 Dec. 2004)
Is this something we usually do at the request of a service branch or does larry et al
need to approve?
Did u have a nice xmas?

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Gary
2004
Phone Call; Armor, Force Protection Year-end Review 0.2:45
Mr. Lawrence, may I please solicit your &Dsistance for a desired phone conference call
this Thursday with the military analys~a who advise the cable news networks? The topic
would be a brief year~end review Of efforts to equip noldiers with body armor and to
uparmor our vehicles -- as part of force protection efforts.· The phone conference call
would Btart. ideally, at 12:45 p.m. on Thursday, and last for 20 minutes with offiCials
from Army logistics and operations.
CAPT Merritt, Ma'am, we would then follow the planned ohone confe~ence call with a small'
roundtable Of no more than five print media -- likely the Washington Post, New York Times.
Associated Press, Army Times and Newhouse News Service -- to address several pending,
similar queries that we've received: to include Mr. Tom Ricks of the Washington Post
inquiring about additional uparmoring for the M-113s that the 3rd Infantry Division would
use during their upcoming Iraq deployment and a request from Mr. Mike Moss of the New York
Times for the April 2004 Army Inspector General report on body armor. That redacted
report addressed how fast we procured needed body armor. how fast we got it to country and
then distributed to the deployed troops. Since we've had similar media queries from
others, it makes sense to brief a small group on these topics and ensure that the analysta
also are aware since one of these already-working stories might be planned for as early as
this weekend.
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Margare,ll wanted to share the transcript of Cohen's regular CNN Interview yesterday regrading DOD support for the
Tsunami countries, Jean Meserve filled in for Wolf Blitzer .
MESERVE: Absolutely. I want to tum the comer to the tsunami and the U.S. response to this. You, of course,
the former secretary of defense, at this point, the U.S. response has been large in terms of money, $15 million,
and a few reconnaissance planes sent, but what sort of effort eventually might we see the U.S. military make to
this?
COHEN: Well, we tend to look at the military in terms of its warrior status, but they're great humanitarians.
They provide relief under these kind of extraordinary circwnstances. They can help with search and rescue.
They can help with refugee resettlement. They can help at delivering medical supplies. They can set up field
hospitals, all of which we've done in Turkey in 1999, and frankly, we've also offered this assistance to China
when China suffered a major earthquake, and I myself delivered that message to Jiang Zemin, the president of
China during their very tragic times.
In a time of crisis" a helping hand can be just as powerful if not more powerful than a fist of iron, and that's a
lesson out here. We should be rushing with whatever resources we can to help those in need in a time of crisis.
It will certainly be a humanitarian thing to do, but also in our national interest, to help under these
cir<:umstances.
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Got it. Thank you, Here's the link to the rotation announcements.
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From: Merritt. Roxie T. CAPT, OASD-PA

To: r~~~~k:Hi!!!f\:D:';/(}i{i;;1:nOCPA; Lawrence. Dallas
Cc: Rhynedance. George, COL. OASD·PA; P' ~~T' :~~~~~Tii1.:j~lil~'i;iii{1
OCPA; Keck Col, OASD-PA; Whit , ry , ES, OASD·PA; Ruff, Eric, SES., O/o,SO
PA; LTC OASD·PA
Subject: RE: M itary Analyst Phone Call: Armor, Force Protection Year-enc! Review (12:45 p.m.. 30
Dec. 2004)
[$1~t:i%;;!(J
Concur with your plan so far. As soon as possible I need you to send us the package with the talking points, who's doing
the briefing. the executive summary of the IG report and general summary of the information you intend to brief. If you
have any of the details on the congressional notification ppreciate that also. Since this will be a roundtable. will
you be conducting it in Army spaces? Please keep LTC '. }' on the cc line. Thanks.
Sent: Tuesday, Oecember 28, 2004 11:12 AM

To: Lawrence, Dallas OASO·PI\.; MerrItt, Roxie i, CAPT OASO-PA
Cc: Rhynedance, George COL OASO·PA; ~~~:;;;M~;;"J:i<ii%",y,,;;':>mki;"''i!;:'';7ii';;{;;;:;?g'">;';';}:i''''''Xf''''''H''''''i\;''''Y''';;):""i?""'y,,""'C"'" "':"'''''''",''''-IKed<, Gary Col OASD-PA
subject: Mlhtary Analyst Phone call: Armor, Force Protection Year-end ReI/jew (12:45 p.m., 30 Dec. 2004)
. .
Mr. Lawrence. may I please solicit your assistance for a desIred phone conference call this Thursday with the military
analysts who advise the cable news networks? The topic would be a brief year-end review of efforts to eQuip Soldiers
with body armor and to uparmor our vehlctes - as part of force protection efforts. The phone conference call would
start, Ideally, at 12:45 p.m. on Thursday. and last for 20 minutes with officials from Army logistics and operations.
CAPT Merritt, Ma'am. we would then follow the planned phooe con1erence call With a small roundtable of no more
than five print media --likely the Washington Post, New York Times, Associated Press, Army Times and Newhouse
New~ Service •• to address several pending, similar queries that we've received: to include Mr. Tom Ricks of the
Washington F'ost inquiring about additional uparmoring for the M·113s that the 3rd Infantry Division would use during
their upcoming Iraq deployment and a request from Mr. Mike MOGS of the New York Times for the April 2004 Army
Inspector General report on body armor. That redacted report addressed how fast we procured needed body armor,
how fast we got It to country and then distributed to the deployed troops. Since we've had similar media queries from
others, it makes sense to brief a small group on these topics and ensure that the analysts also are aware since one of
these already-working stories might be planned for as early as this weekend.
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Subject: FW: Military Analyst Phone Call: Armor, Force Protection Year-end Review (12:45 p.m., 30
Dec. 2004)
Do you have any problems with them doing both the outreach caJi and the media gaggle?
Captain, U.S. Navy .
Dir s Operations
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sent: U~~, AM
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ee: Rhynedanee, George COL OASD·pAi'!!1,(#FFc;:i!!!'/!'(;0:tj'i'iilld,ygi/;i;:X@,\(f!;);i);{ii'><i1 Keck, Gary QJJ OAStHA
SUbje~: Military Analyst PMne Call: Armor, Force Protection Year-end R.eview (12:45 p.m., 30 Dec. 20()4)
Mr. lawrence, may J please solidt your assistance for a desired phone conference call this Thursday with the military
analysts who advise the cable news networks? The topic would be a brief year-end review of efforts to equip Soldiers
with body armor and to uparmor our vehicles - 8S part of force protection efforts. The phone conference call would
slart, Ideally, at 12:45 p.m. on Thursday, and last for 20 minutes with officials from Army logistics and operations.
CAPT Merritt. Ma'am, we wouid then follow the planned phone conference call with a small roundtable of no more than
five print media --likely the Washington Post, New York Times, Associated Press. Army Times and Newhouse News
Service --to address several pending, similar queries that we've received: to include Mr. Tom Ricks of the Washington
Post inquiring about addition~1 uparmoring for the M-113s that the 3rd Infantry Division \/lIould use during their upcoming
Iraq deployment and a request from Mr. Mike Moss of the New York Times for the April 2004 Army Inspector General
report on body armor. Thai redacted report addressed how fasl we procured needed body armor, how fast we got it to
country and then distributed to the deployed troops. Since we've had similar media queries from others, it makes sense to
brief a small group on these topics and ensure that the analysts also are aware since one of these atready-working stories
might be planned for as eany as this weekend.
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From: Oi Rita, Larry, elV, OSD·OASD·PA

Sent: Tuesday. December 28. 2004 9:44 AM
10: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD·PA
SUbJect: Fw: Spectator.org
I car.'t open this piece r got from bill luti but you may want to look at it and send it to
the boss if you think appropriate ..• bill says it is too harsh for the ·bird
-----Original Mea
Fro~l wl <prowler
To: larry.dirita2
Sent 1 Tue Dec 28 09:37:56
SUbject: Spectat9r.org
The following article from Spectator.org was sent to you by wI.

Let the Big' Dog Run
By Jed Babbin
The neocon-Dem chorus bashing Don Rumsfeld is way off base. Sen. Jeff sessions concurs.
Message from Sender: Larry. r.ot for Early Bird (hits generals). but SecDef might like to
read it. Bill
You can read this story in its entirety on the web at:
http://www.spectator.org!dsp_article.aSp?art_id-7S56
The article is protected by copyright and should not be printed or distributed for
anything except personal use.
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From: , Barber, Allison, elV, OASD·PA

Sent: Monday, December 27,2004 6:23 PM
To: r~)kjl)i.'r\:}i;>;>i':('rbASO-PA
Subject: Re: Tony Snow ShOw
Great, ThanXs.
AlIi son Barber
Deputy Assistant Secretary of De~ense
From:
To: Bar er.
Sent: Mon Dec
SUbject: Tony
Tony Snow Show (With Bill Cowan)
Date: Wednesday. December 29
Segment Time: 11:00 a.m. (for about 3D minutes)
Show Time: 9:00 a.rn.-12:00 p.m. EST Live
Contact: Shana Pearlman. Schedulerl producer, 202-715-2293, Shana.Pearlman@FOXNEWS.COM
SUbject: Provide an overview of America Supports You (with program example--she will
choose either A Million Thanks oroperacion Gratitude) .
Notes: I have spoken to Carolyn and Mike Fleming. Shauan and carolyn are available and
will coordinate directly with Shana.
~b)~~l ',""'" !};;;;;'/CiiJ

Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs U.S. Department of Defense
1400 Defe e P a on Room 2C546 Washington, DC 20301-1400
.!. ••
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Subjeet:
Blil Cowan on Tony Snow Show
. Due Date:
Monday, December 27. 2004
Priority:
High
Status:
Completed
Percent Complete:
100%
Dal& Completed:
Tuesday, F=ebruary 01,2005
Total Work: o hours

~,'; .
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From: . elv,oAsD-PA
Sent: Frid~y, ecember 24,200412:23 PM
SUbject: Re: thank you
Happy to help, I forwarded this to he is in on monday.
I am back on tuesday..
Merry .christmasl tl!
;~~;~o~~ii~a~r7~~s~~~~-;~~D~PA~Eric.Ruff~~~~~j*J00~
To: ~~(\i\I\T!i'?/C'"rH'T~it<XW;i<":X;;iiF;in'r;:i'nl C IV , OASD - PA "j~!~~?~1~[¥M:§'!i~m§S'iX§.!i!kn;"":;\""';i';"':'(""m""r\!"'!ii;;"'11
i,"":W"',"';t""j';:""'t"':;;:=;;'fl
Sent: Thu Dec 23 17:58:21 2004
Subject: thank you
~@~g0j~*~thanks for your help today,· it was really great to get your. support. below is the
memo i sent to sd. merry christmas. eric
DECEMBER 23, 2004 MEMO FOR THE SECDEF from RUFF

CC: DIRITA
SUBJECT: Talk Radio Interviews
COngressman Jim Marshall, D-GA, will be interviewed today by Roger Hedgecock, KOGO, San
Diego.
Senator Sessions ·will talk with Dom Giordano, WPHT, Philadelphia, today.
As we make contact with radio hosts or their producers, We are suggesting interviews with
Marshall, Sessions, Domenici, Mica and Saxton. We also mention Hunter, Kyl, cornyn,
McConnell and Inhofe. We are providing press statements and other material to the
programs ..
Looking a.head to next week and beyond, Michael Smerconish. WPTH, Philadelphia, is tilling
in for Bill O'Reilly'S radio program. He is interested in talking with some of the
members and we are to coordinate with him on Monday ..
scott Hennon, WDAY, Fargo, is filling in for Sean Hannity.on DeC. 29. He is interested
and we will coordinate that on Monday.
Military analyst, LTC Bill Cowan, is filling in for Tony Snow on Dec. 29. He is
interested in talking with Congressman Marshall. He is thinking about other guests we
have suggested.
Jed Babbin will be filling in for Greg Garrison, WIBC. Indianapolis, the first week in
January. He is interested in interviewing members of Congress and we have put him in touch
with Senator Sessions' press secretary.
Talk show host Lars Larson, KXL, Portland, is on vacation until the first week of January
but has committed to' talking with one or more members. We have lett messages for several
other hosts with whom we have had good interviews. Like Lars Larson, they are on vacation
until the first week in January. We will pursue.
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From:' [ll)f~)" \/:9bv, OASD·PA

Subject: RE: Contact info
.,' ~':"
, ·····Original Message-····
From: Ruff, Eric, SES,OASD·PA
Sent:Th~~~,~y.~~mber 23, 20049:51 AM
10: ~P1®;t;;;&41 av, OASD-PA
Subject: RE: Contact info
can you also send me the work number for jed babbin? ' thanks, eric
···-Original Messa ••••
From:,. aV,OASD·PA
Sent: ' , urs ay, ecember 23, 2004 9:20 AM
S",bjeet: Contact info
Per your request:
Lieutenant Colonel Bi,lI Cowan (USMC, Retired)
CEO, WVC'3 Group, Inc.
1800 Alexander Bell Drive, Suite 101
Reston, Virginia 20191

Telephone:
Cellular:
Fax:
Email:
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From: . O'Connell, Thomas. HON, OSD-POLICY
SUbJ9ct: RE: q for you
, .~:.
ThanKs.
From; Ruff, Eric, S85, OASO-PA
;~~t~~MW0~1~0~0E0<~0r~~e7ro~~:p;~~~Y~:~~C~~nell mas, HON, OSO·POLICY; 'dfrum.

Cc: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA; CIV, OSD; SwiergoBz, Paul, Maj. OASD
PA
Subject: RE: q for you
;~~~:I~~~~{g2%~0Mq0~~i@~r~~~~ DSD-POLICY
sent: wednesday, December 22, 2004

4:25
To: O'Connell, Thomas, HON, OSD-POLICY'
Ce: Di Rita, Larry,

CIV, OSD-OASD-PA;
Eric, SES. OASD-PA; Swiergo5z, Paul, Maj. OASD-PA
Subject: RE: q for you
Wayne will gladly speak to David Frum. His cell phone # is:
~~){~}" ',-:' , . ,;;"i :;::(;':1:;:1j;1
~:t~l;;c~~jiSor, OASD (.SO/LIC)
2500 Defense Pentagon
C 20301
(Cell)
From: O'connell, Thom~5, HON, OSD-POLICY
Sent: Mo ecember 20, 2004 2:08 PM
To: CTV, aSD
Ce: CIV, OSD-POLICY; CIV, aSD-POLICY
Subj eet: you
We can ... ! better ask first. OC
;;~~~1wiB~%8~~j~0\~~ilije~~;~-osD
To: O'connell, Thomas,
HON, OSO-POLICY; oi Rita,
Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA
SUbject: FW: q for you
Can you help with contact information?
;;~~~o~~~~~~r~:s~:i~~~~~~frumJ~MW18¥Bm8®~cl
Sen 2004 11:43 AM
To:
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Subject: q for you
Jim. I'm organizing some articles to speak up for hte secretary. question: do you know
wayne Downing? woudl he do it? if so, where do I find him? d
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From~ Barber, Allison, elV, OASD-PA
Sent: WednesdaY,December 22,2004 5:44 PM
hi there
here is the scoop on the trip. hal said it will come up on the Sam call tomorrow. please let me know if you need me on the
call.
we really have been working on this since august... let's hope it happens.
thanks
ab
·--··Qrlginal Message·····
From: Lawre,nce, oallas, OASD-PA
Se"t: wednesd/lY. December 22, 20045:41 PM
To: Barber, AlliSon, eIV, OASD-PA
SUbject: Iraq Trip
Background
Several Months ago comrel initiated plans to lead a delegation of our senior retired military analysts (folks that actually
get air time) to Iraq. The original goal was to be in country the first week of December. In late AugusH~!A?K"N'};\n'CXJ'{iJ
began communication traffic with LTC . fofTheater Clearances at CENTCOM. After weeks of no
reply, they finally connected. In late October LTC informed ~~{~~M;i:!')}\;;!N:\Jthat MNF·[ had not responded to any of
her queries regarding our trip. According to . aptain Hal Pittman was cc'd on some of the message traffic
between the LTC and himself. In early December, LIe [B1f%!W;':?!suggested it might be worthwhile for DoD to prep
and send an official Theater Clearance message in order to prompt a response from MNF-I who, three months
later, had not responded to the LTC.
In late November LTd~:t1t~i~1;::W0ijspoke wit.h LT~[~%~PtJ!~;i\t;~{¥MW:tW;;i'l C-lat MNF-I (head of J?V VisitS)t~ei~~~!~I,,~ur
request. He responded to that conversatIon via e·rnall, whIch was forwarded to our office. LTC,;,,$WB.;''''L'8{Yl
assessment of the infonnal request is that the number of participants should not exceed 20 due to lack of
aviation suThport available to move the ~rou~ and any planned trip should take place in early December or earl~
2005. ~~!Mt~®:Tei~i}'i::F~ then called LTd~lk:;Y'(:i·Wland spoke with him personally about the trip. L TCi~{m1Mi;~0:!~:W:(;))i(\0
stated that he would inform the MNF-I PAD of the request' and would await the Theater Clearance
message (with a complete itinerary and stating a specific ptirpose for the trip).
Having worked on dozens of such trips during my time in Iraq, I wanted to place a call directly to the DV folks
in Iraq to talk with them about our proposed trip, now scheduled for early January. I spoke with LTCf,~;lifNU'(;:HJin
Baghdad for more than thirty minutes, discussed our trip, asked for his suggestions and made it clear we would
be as low maintenance as possible.
This afternoon, more than four months after beginning the official process, we dispatched the country clearance
message, and just as predicted, finally got a reply from MNF·J.
Action Items
1) Country Clearance needs to be approved for our group

.Note: we submitted more names than we have seatsfor. once we have the date locked, we will prioritize and
will only bring the maximum of 15 on the trip.
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I
2) Per Captain Pittman, this needs to be managed as a media trip not a DV visit, therefore MNF·I Strategic
Communications and General Casey must approve. Per Pittman this should be brought up during the 8:00 am I
conference call tomorrow.
3) Time: We are rapidly running out of time as we need to book flights into Kuwait and there are limited seats
I
remaining - we also have to give our guests as much heads up notice as possible. Our goal is to be able to
confinn the trip and departure date by next Wednesday, the actual schedule once on the ground can be flexible I
until the first week of January. Our current itinerary isas follows:
Sunday, January 9, 2005

I
All delegation members arrive in Kuwait
Monday, January 10, 2005

I
Early am flighlin Baghdad, military briefings, lunch or dinner with troops, site visit, (ideally fallujah with
briefing in fallujah from commanders on the ground on the huge success). Overnight in Baghdad, tents/cots I
appropriate for overnight. No high level DV's on trip. Highest ranking retired officer is a MG.
Tuesday, January 11,2005

I
Meetings with Iraqi leaders, ideally Allawi, update on election process, outlook on the future of Iraq. Possible
. briefing on status of reconstruction projects, possible site visit to one of the projects, likely in the Green Zone. I
Depart Iraq Tuesday afternoon for Kuwait.
Hope this helps,
dl
Dlllla~ B. Lawrenee
I Director, Office of Community Relations & Public Liaison
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From: . Whitman. Bryan, SES, OASD-PA.
Sent: Wednesday, December 22,2004 10:42 AM
To: Barber, Allison, C/V. OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryan. SES. OASD-PA; Ruff. Eric, SES, OASD-PA;
Thorp, Frank, CAPT, OCJCS/PA; W~M#;l:<~'nim\i'3;iF:W'Xji:1 CIV, OSD

SUbject: RE: radio-- Garrison show
Thanks, we are going to talk to him about what ne will be discussing so we can try to fit the
right guest to the topics he is interested in too.
----Origlna I Message----
sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 10:37 AM
To: Bryan Whitman (E-mail); Eric Ruff (E-mail); Frank Thorp (E-mail); ~~(tmli!:i%!i!f!ft\r'jlii{fii)i(iij!lov, OSD
Subject: radlo-- GarrIson show .
here is the info for the radio opportunity...
-----Orlglnal Mess;e----
. \1·C·······.,········· .
From: JedBabbin A$i;:;U?JiICmallto:JedBabbln
sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 10: 12 AM
To: allison .barber@i~~1~~?t:t:)i:}M;{'~1
Subject: Garrison show
Allison: This is the show "II be subbing on both 4 and 5 Jan. Please note that the hours are 10 am
to 1 pm Eastern, not 9-12 as I said on the phone. Many thanks for the help. Best, Jed.
:: wibc.com ::
.Jed Babbin
(Home Office)
(Home Fax)
, (Mobile)
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From:
Sent:
To:
Subject:
Attachments: Shields Po&1 Response DRAFT 1.0.doc
Shields Post
:esponse DRAfT l .. t~~~ri):\:\Bi!;';!tl
Please find the slightly revised letter, attached.
CIV OASD-PA
ecember 22, 2004 8:00 AM
OA;~~:A; 1~Nt'~;:~~i~i:;~!;'(~J]fi;J;;i~'i~;: 'i~:~;: F~~~I~~it;;N~ilB00)~;:~\t;'W::~t~\~M~~~' o~~~;i~; t~~~!/'{l

CIV, OJ\.SD-PA
Subject; TRANSCRIPT.doc
General Pete Pace has a conference call recently with the Retired Military Analysts and
some of the comments he made in this call regarding humvees and armor are useful.
TRANSCRIPT.doc
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Subjeet: Lunch with Chuck Nash
Location: He will pick me up at 11 :45 at River
Start: Wed 12/22/2004 12:00 PM

End: Wed 12/22/2004 12:00 PM
Recurrence: (none)
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Subject: dan senOr phone call
Start: Tue 12/21120044:30 PM

End: Tue 1212112004 5:00 PM
Recurrence: (none)
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I
From; Lawrence, Dal/as, OASO-PA
S.nt: Tuesday, December 21,2004 1:09PM I
To: Ruff. Eric, SES, OASD·PA
Subject: another request from military analyst I
Jed Babbin, on Scarborough tonIght and Fox &. FriendS tomorrow morning
Topic: Defending SeeDef/lntel Bill/Iraq Elections
I
Needed Info: "How wifl·intel bfllimprove quality of intelligence gathering? Why is today's NYT definitely wrong with the
attack against SecDef for his positions. Are there any UN election workers in Iraq today."
I
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from: [~?~~\:?/;g!i/i)W;{!%3i!l TC. OASD·PA

Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 7:50AM
To: . Matthew,OASD·PA . ri:."""""== ====
Cc: ........ ASD·PA: ~9n~t;ii(;if:i:3}i$A)11 CIV, OASD-PA;~$%~f;~0U'"Bf i' :1"f;:;j:~;';!:. :,IOASD
P A ; , C I V OASD·PA
Subject: ltGen Newbold criticism of SecDef & CJCS
Matt,
A lot of people are probably going to initially miss this particular critlcllilm this morning, because it was only in the Radio
TV section ofToday's Early Bird ( http://ebird.afis.osd.millebfiles/r20041221rtv.html).
ltG en Greg Newbold, USMC, was the Director of Operations for the Joint Staff when I first got there, a job that'
traditionally destines the recipients for 4-stars. He retired instead, supposedly as a bitter man who did not get along well .
with SecDef.
He also infers Gen Myers is to blame for not confronting the Secretary on inadequate troop levels.
NEWS HOUR WITH JIM LEHRER PBS TV
6:00 PM DECEMBER 20, 2004 .
Rumsfeld under Fire
GWEN IFILL: Donald Rumsfeld may be the Bush administration's most consistent lightning rod. Is that a good or a bad
thing? For an analysis of the secretary's wartime performance, we get mo views. Retired Marine Lieutenant General
Gregory Newbold had a 30-year career in the military; his last assignment was as director of operations of the Joint Chiefs
of Staff. And James Schlesinger was director of the CIA and then secretary of defense during the Nixon and Ford
administrations. He now serves on the Defense Policy Board, which advises Secretary Rumsfeld.
Secretary Schlesinger, how much of this dispute about Donald Rumsfeld is about personality and how much of it is about
performance?
JAMES SCHLESINGER: Well, it's mostly about personality. There are a lot of people out there that do not like Donald
Rumsfeld. You're getting a recycling of complaints that have gone back to the beginning of the administration.
A lot of the press that talked about quagmire back In the days of the Afghanistan run-up and then in the early days of the
war finally have... may have found a quagmire that they've been predicting or maybe they hope that they've got a
quagmire.
GWEN IFILL: So, in your opinion, Secretary Rumsfeld's doing a good job?
JAMES SCHLESINGER: Secretary Rumsfeld has done a good job. He gets an A for Afghanistan and an A for the
invasion. For the post-Invasion period, he probably gets a C·plus. All in all he's done a very good job.
GWEN IFILL: Gen. Newbold, personality or performance?
LT. GEN. GREGORY NEWBOLD (Ret.): I'm not sure you can separate the two completely. Unfortunately his
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personality has Influenced the performance because in my view you need an open exchange of ideas where
notions are maybe contrary to your own are solicited.
And I don't think he's fostered an environment that does that. If there is poor advice offered, and therefore, poor decisions
. made, sometimes you end up where we are right now.
GWEN IFILL: You worked in the Pentagon under Secretary Rumsfeld or with Secretary Rumsfeld, give us an example of
what you mean when you say the personality and the performance got mixed up with one another.
LT. GEN. GREGORY NEWBOLD (Ret.): Well. the climate Is very important. I think an environment that fosters
contrary opinions or that seeks to determine Where advice may be different than your own Is very important.
Even When that advice isn't taken, the understanding that it may be offered- whether it's from the Congress, from allies,
from the media, from ....
GWEN IFILL: From generals,
LT. GEN. GREGORY NEWBOLD (Ret.): Maybe even from generals. But from your commanders is very important.
And certainly that didn't exist on many occasions.
GWEN IFILL: Mr. Secretary....
JAMES SCHLESINGER: On many occasions it certainly did exist. Tommy Franks gave him... the secretary his advice. It
reshaped the invasion, General Abizaid gives him advice. Certainly Gen. Myers feels that way. There is a great deal of
Interaction between the secretary and his senior officers.
He sometimes has a challenging style, but general officers should not be dismayed by his challenging style..
GWEN IFILL: Did we see his challenging style on view last week with his answer to the questions about armored vehicles?
What did you make of that?
JAMES SCHLESINGER: Well, I think that that is basically a press frenzy. If you look at his answer in the beginning of the
answer, What he did was to encourElge the troops and say, "I talked to the general officers about when we could get more
armored vehicles.
"We are moving these armored vehicles from every part of the world in which they're not needed. We are increasing
production of those armored vehicles."
Then he moved into the point that you quoted. And I think that it's a misrepresentation of his views.
GWEN IFILL: Assuming you've seen the entire representation of what he said that day, What's your sense about that,
General? .
LT. GEN. GREGORY NEWBOLD (Ret.): I agree to some degree.
That Is. I think holding Secretary Rumsfeld accountable for the armor issue Is a little bit akin to convicting AI Capone for
tax evasion. There are many issues of much greater importance than that Which the secretary I think should be held
accountable. And the armor issue, that's primarily a service Issue.
GWEN IFILl: When we talk about -- we'll move on the big ones.
But I'm also curious about another issue which kind of bubbled up over the weekend, Which is the signing using auto pen
to sign letters of condolences to fallen soldiers' families.
When you were secretary did you sign those letters by yourself? Did you have to sign any of them?
JAMES SCHLESINGER: There was no combat while I was secretary.
GWEN IFILL: Do you think It was a good Idea?
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JAMES SCHLESINGER: I don', think that is a good idea. I think that the fact that the secretary is now signing those letters
personally indicates that he did not think it was a good idea in retrospect. ..
GWEN IFILL: Is that something that is emblematic of anything to you?
LT. GEN. GREGORY NEWBOLD (Ret.): I'm not surprised by It The same secretary, when asked if casualties
bothered him said, "Well, sure they bother me but remember they're volunteers." That's kind of a troubling
approach to this. It he ought to show more sensitivity.
GWEN IFILL: What did you make of the criticisms coming from Capitol Hill last week specifically and most kind of
noticeably from Republicans. Senators Hagel and McCain and Lott and Sen. Collins all saying in varying degrees that their
sense of confidence in Secretary Rumsfeld has been shaken?
JAMES SCHLESINGER: The real question is whether the president has confidence in Secretary Rumsfeld. And he
answered that today.
He serves at the pleasure of the president, and I think that you've got the answer. He will continue to serve as secretary of
defense,
GWEN IFILL: Isn't it better to get along with people on the Hill?
JAMES SCHLESINGER: It is better to get along with people on the Hill, but he's getting along with most of them. You saw
the quote from John Warner. or the four people on television yesterday, the ranking Democrats and the two chairmen...
none of them called for his resignation.
GWEN IFILL: General. when you hear people talking about IQst confidence whether on the Hill or other places perhaps
Within the Pentagon itself, do you find that significant?
LT. GEN. GREG,ORY NEWBOLD (Ret.): I hear a lot of those comments. I think the Issue probably Is as Secretary
Schlesinger's articulated. The president clearly has great confidence In the secretary. I think he'll weather this
storm. He'll certainly maintain his position through the Iraqi elections.
How many more missteps he can take I'm not certain. He's at the pleasure of the president.
GWEN IFILL: Do you have confidence in the secretary?
LT. GEN. GREGORY NEWBOLD (Ret.): Confidence? I have felt for years that we didn't have the secretary of·
defenSe who was the right one to develOp the plans to conduct our operations the way we needed to.
And my opinion hasn't changed.
GWEN IFILL: Let me flip this a liltle bit because you are supportive of thE! secretary and you are not. So, let me ask you,
Secretary Schlesinger, what would you consider to be the secretary's weak points?
JAMES SCHLESINGER: Well, I think that as I indicated earlier the run-up, planning for the post-war period was not
complete. And the reaction when the insurgency started was somewhat sloW. But the secretary, as soon as those IED's
started going off, he established a committee to look into technology that would deal with those lED's.
He has been quite responsive.
GWEN IFILL: The lED's being the...
JAMES SCH LESINGER: Explo$ive devices that are along the roads. It's interesting that now that we're past Ramadan that
the number of incidents is down to pre-Ramadan levels and that as Gen. Casey said yesterday 3t the Pentagon, that of the
18 provinces, 14 of them are quite calm.
GWEN IFILL: Gen. Newbold, what would you say Secretary Rumsfeld's strong points are?
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LT. GEN. GREGORY NEWBOLD (Ret.l: He had a great vision when he came into the Pentagon. I think his ideas on
c'hanging the character of the way operations were conducted and the way that the Pentagon processes were
conducted were right on target.
If you listed the ten top priorities -for Secretary Rumsfeld. I v.ould have agreed with all ten of them. It's not what he wished
to accomplish. It's probably how,
GWEN IFILL: When you talk about one of his priorities, one of them is the transformation of the military which is a grand
term which means in some ways making it kind of a leaner, lighter, more efficient military.
Is that something which can co-exist in your opinion, General, with conducting a multi-front open-ended war?
LT. GEN. GREGORY NEWBOLD (Ret.): I think transformation was probably not fully articulated. It's a desirable
goal but there was not a lot behind It. It tended to be platform·centrlc rather than what I think...
GWEN IFILL: What does that mean?
LT. GEN. GREGORY NEWBOLD (Ret.): Aircraft, submarines, ships. I think a more complete transformation has
changed the culture of an institution, to add to its mental agility not just Its speed of movement but speed of
thinking.
GWEN IFILL: Can it work now, while we're at war?
LT. GEN. GREGORY NEWBOLD (Ret.): Absolutely. It needs to work while we're at war as much as any other time.
GWEN IFI LL: Secretary Schlesinger?
JAMES SCHLESINGER: Well, I think that Gen. Shoemaker is making some of those changes in the army. The army has
been a slow institution to adjust But he is moving away from divisions towards brigades'lhat can be moved independently.
Indeed for the Navy and the Air Force, this has been a platform centric adjustment but the Navy and the Air Force are
about platforms, whereas the Marines and the Army are about organization and peo\:lle.
GWEN IFILL: Has Secretary Rumsfeld managed this insurgency well, the idea of troop levels? Is the American military, as
it is positioned right now in Iraq. where it ought to be? Is it being managed correctly?
JAMES SCHLESINGER: I think that he has had as much in the way of force in Iraq as the limits of the bUdget permit.
People must remember that there's been a 40 percent increase in the budget and that there are those over In the
executive office who limit the funds for the Department of Defense.
Manpower still Is the most expensive part of our military establishment as opposed to other military establishments.
GWEN IFI LL: Gen. NeWbold, when it comes to managing t~ insurgency and the appropriate troop levels, do you think
that Secretary Rumsfeld has done all he can or has he been hamstrung by finances?
LT. GEN. GREGORY NEWBOLD (Rel.): I think the war should probably dictate our troop levels. I think we need to
prOVide what's required for the fight. I think they've been a bit shocked·and·awed by what's happened in the post
Baghdad situation.
And a\though some people I respect deeply have said we have sufficient force over there, my personal opinion is
the facts belie that.
GWEN IFILL: And so you think there should be more troops and do you hold Secretary Rumsfeld responsible for that?
LT. GEN. GREGORY NEW60LD (ReL): I hOld two people responSible. The environment was created by Secretary
Rumsfeld but senior military leaders are not gagged. They need to be able to speak out forcefully and If that's not
sufficient, then to take other....
GWEN IFILL: Are senior military leaders intimidated?

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LT. GEN. GREGORY NEWBOLD (Ret.): They certainly have been.
GWEN IFILL: One final question to both of you quickly whietl is whether... you're right. Secretary Rumsfeld comes under
attack periodically..
This isn't the first time we've had some version of this discussion.
Would a change at the top if he were to be replaced make a difference in your opinion in terms of U.S. Administration
policy, military policy?
JAMES SCHLESINGER: I don't think so. The policies come from· the president. I think that the removal of secretary
Rumsfeld would be a boon to all of our enemies around the world.
They would rejoice in the caves in which al·Qaida leaders hide; that our enemies in the Middle East would rejoice. He has
become a symbol of American steadfastness, and I think that that would be tragedy if he were to be removed.
GWEN IFILL: General?
LT. GEN. GREGORY NEWBOLD (Ret.): I would not make a change until after the Iraqi elections. And It would
depend on who became the new secretary of defense and the forcefulness with wl1ich they articulated the
Importance of sticking with a policy of strength.
I think that is absolutely critical. So It depends on who would replace him,
GWEN IFILL: Gen, Newbold and Secretary Schlesinger, thank you both very much.
LT. GEN. GREGORY NEWBOLD (Ret.): Thank you.
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Subject: RE: Military Analyst Meetings
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Subject: RE: Military Analyst Meetings
No problem - look forward to next call.
Anything new on pending Iraq trip in January?

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Subject: Military Analyst Meetings
Folks,
I just wanted to update you all and to let you know that there will not be a meeting at
DoD today for analysts. I know Col Davis has already emailed out
a correction stating there will not be a conference call today.
Also, just to be clear in the future, and I apologize for any confusion that may have
exist~d on our end with the email from Col Davis on the conference call and the email from
~~l(§f):?<'J with regard to a potential meeting, from time to time we nere in ComRel may try and
pitch the idea of a conference call or a meeting with senior level defense officials and
may want to gauge interest from amongst you all before moving the suggestion through staff
level discussions. We need to assume that such conversations will remain confidential
amongst the group as we work to try and offer you all the greatest access to information
possible. It would be my hope that requests for info on availability from the group for
potential meetings would remain a close hold and not be share~ publicly - allowing us the
greatest
flexibility to serve as a resource for your outreach efforts.
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Again, my apologies if our request for schedUling availability threw folks off today, and
I look forward to working together in the weeks and months ahead.
Best,
Dallas B. Lawrence
community Relations & Public Liaison
United states Department of Defense
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Sent: Monday. December 20,20041:18 PM
Subject: SecDef Outreach
Allison asked me ~o check with you on the following:
Allison had asked me early this morning to gauge interest from our analysts in a potential
meeting with the secdef this afternoon. We had 9 folks reply they would be available and
interested in coming in should the meeting come together. It was expressed in very, very
tentative terms, and it was made clear that we were just checking as a formality in the
event folks in the front office decided to move forward and hold a meeting. Anyhow, long
story short, with the decision not to do a conference call, should! let these guys know
that there will not be an in person meeting today? The rsvp list is enclosed below.
Dana Dillon
Jed Babbin
Robert L. Maginnis
Larry Welch
Wayne simmons
LTG Thomas G. McInerney
Bill Cowan
Steven Greeg
Robert Scales
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From: Oi Rita, Larry, CIV, QSO·OASD-PA
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 1~:36 PM
To: 'Dan Senor'
Subject: RE:
here's what he said about the letter tlap. in general, though, you might mention that he
has made many many trips to walter reed, bethesda, and other military hospitals, met with
hundreds of wounded troops and their families, spends time with grieving widows when he
makes troop visits in the u.s.. he does not seek publicity for these things and would
certainly be chagrined if any surviving familiy member did not understand how much he
values and honors their sacrifice and service.
"It is a solemn privilege of the many of us in the Department to meet with U.S. forces and
families who have experienced injury or death in the defense of our country.
"During visits with wounded forces and their families at Walter Reed Arnty Hospital or at
the Bethesda Naval Medical center, I have drawn inspiration from the dignity and resolve
of these wonderful young Americans and their loved ones.
"Over the past years, my wife, Joyce. and I have met with several hundred wounded troops
and their families during visits to intensive care units, therapy facilities, and their
rooms in military hospitals in the united States and abroad.
"During visits to military installations, I have met with still others during their visits
to the Pentagon.
"Joyce and I also have met together and individually with spouses and children of those
killed in action.
"At the earliest moment in the global war on terror, 1 determined that it is important
that military families who have lost loved ones in hostile actions receive a letter from
me directly.
"1 wrote and approved the now lIIore than 1000 letters sent to family members and next of
kin of each of the servicemen and women killed in military action. While I have not
individually signed each one, in the interest of ensuring expeditious contact with
grieving family members, I have directed that; in the future I sign each letter.
"1 am deeply grateful for the many letters 1 have received from the families of those who
have been killed in. the service of our country, and I recognize and honor their personal
loas. "
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Sent: Monday, De . 2004 11:37 AM
To: larry.dirita
Subject:
Lar,
I'm on Linda Vester (FOX) at IPM, defending secdef.
Let me know if thare are any new points to hit (other than the ones we discussed on Fril .
Thanks!
-Dan
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Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 7:07 AM
To: Davis. Archie, Col, OASD-PA; Lawrence. Dallas, OASD-PA
Cc: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Whitman, Bryar), SES, OASD-PA
Subject: Outreach
What are the chances we could get our military analysts in the bldg today or tomorrow?
If not in the bldg, let's set up a call.
Possible guest secdef. More details soon Thx Ab Allison Barber Deputy Assistant Secretary
of Defense
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Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 5:03 PM
Cc: Evans. Dave. CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: Per your request.. ,
Hey boss, here is the info you requested.
Dave, is this guy on our list of military analysts? have we seen him before or was this his first time In primetime?
BG Nick Halley
Big Story with John Gibbons, December 10, 2004
Transcript, via Fox News: http://WvYW.foxnews.com/story/O.2933.141340.OO.html
Is Iraq Armor Shortage a Problem?

This is a partial transcript of II The Big Story With John Gibson," Dec. 10, 2004, that has been edited for clarity.
JOlIN GIBSON, HOST: We all want the troops to have everything they need, including armored Humvees,
but sometimes the army has to prioritize. Is the armor shortage in Iraq a legitimate major problem?
Let's ask retired Brigadier General Nick Halley (search <http://search,tbxnews.com/info.foxnws/redirsall.htm?

pmarg=wbsdogpile&gcat=web&qkw=Nick%20Hallev». He was in charge of the 82nd Airborne Corps
(search <http://search.tbxnews.com/info.foxnws/redirsall.htm?pgtarg=wbsdogpile&gcat=web&qkw=82nd%
20Airbome%20Corps» during the first Gulf War. So, General, should the American people be steamed that
American troops in Iraq don't have these annored Humvees even as we speak?
BRIG. GEN. NICK HALLEY, U.S. ARMY (RET.): Well , r think they should be somewhat upset because, of
course, it's been a year since we know that we've needed those. And they've worked very. very hard and
upgraded most of them, as you saw from the previous graphic.
But I don't think there's any need for any soldier in Iraq not to have the full complement of armor protection.
GIBSON: Well, I think I heard Bret say - J thought the figure yesterday that was given was that two-thirds of
the Humvees are annored, but [ think. I heard Bret say it's up to 78 percent. Would you consider that good .
progress for the year?
HALLEY: Well, there's about 8,000 that need to be upgraded, and about 6,000 of them have been upgraded.
And that's very, very good progress, if you consider all the bureaucracy that you have to go through to upgrade
these vehicles.
But still, we needed to have more progress, because there's really no excuse for any soldier in Iraq not to have
the full complement of armor.
GIBSON: OK. You only have to go to Bethesda to see that this has taken a tremendous toll on us. These IEDs
biowing up Humvees as they drive by. What explains the tardiness of the response of the Pentagon?
HALLEY: Well, remember that the Hurnvees and the other thin-skinned vehicles were not designed to have
armor. In fact, all of the vehicles that we had thousands and thousands of them in Desert Storm, none of them
were armored. We did put sandbags on the floor of these vehicles, just to make sure we had some protection
against mines that we might ron over.
But these were not designed to be armored. So it was only about a year ago that we discovered that the enemy
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was going to use the tactic that he did, and so we've really scrambled, the army has, and the Defense Department
in the last year, to get these done. And they've done a great job, except it need~ to be a little bit more.
GIBSON: General, why was it that somebody in the Pentagon in the planning for post-war Iraq, why didn't it
occur to them that the thousands, hundreds of thousands of tons of explosives in Iraq, some of it was going to
get used to set off roadside bombs?
HALLEY; Well, I don't think in this particular case - we have had intelligence failures in Iraq - I don't think
in this particular case It was an intelligence failure, because we had fought in Iraq before with these same type of
vehicles and managed without the armor.
In Monday morning quarterbacking, I think we can see the need for those, but I don't think it was reasonable at
the time of this particular war that we would stop what we were doing, spend billions of dollars and delay the
attack for a year while we put on this armor.
So, I think the deficiency in this case was not a failure of intelligence.
GIBSON: Do you think it's shocking that American troops are evidently going through scrap heaps looking for
pieces of steel to weld on to their vehicles?
HALLEY: I think that's very shocking. And I think aU Americans are rightly upset about that, and we need to
get that fixed very, very fast.
GIBSON: By the way, who decides and how did they decide, who gets the annored vehicles?
HALLEY: Well, that's done, of course, at the Defense Department level, and it's normally l.U1its are prioritized.
And, of course, active duty units are always done first, and the units that are in the worst areas are done first. For
example, the units that are around FaUujah or Baghdad will be higher priority than the ones perhaps that are
down further south.
GIBSON: So do you think this problem is coming to a close, or has this exposed a weakness in the command
structure, in seeming not to pay enough attention to the needs of the soldiers, as you might want?
HALLEY: Well, J think it's coming to a close, but if you look at the statiS;tics we heard today, there's still about
2,000 Humvees that need to be upgraded. They're doing them at the rate of 400 a month; now with this increase
it'll be 500 a month.
That still is another four Or five months where soldiers are going to be in Humvees that aren't armor protected.
So, it's somewhat upsetting. '
.GIBSON: What about these trocks? Only 15 percent of those are armored up to protect the driver.
HALLEY: Right. I haven't seen a time schedule on that, but that must be at least six months or a year out
before that's going to happen. So people are going to be vulnerable for some period oftime, obviously.
GIBSON: General, do you find it so surprising that soldiers would recognize thei'r own vulnerability and say,
"I'm going to do something about tbis myself. J'm going to get some plate steel and weld it on there."?
HALLEY: No, absolutely not. Soldiers are very, very innovative and they are always doing what they call "field
expedience" in many, many different areas to improve the equipment or to improve their way of life. So, this is
very typical of American soldiers to do whatever's necessary to get the job done.
GIBSON: General, do yo,u blame Don Rumsfeld for this problem?
HALLEY: No, J don't really blame anyone particularly for this problem, but somewhere in the defense
establishment there's somebody that knew how many vehicles needed to be changed; the rate that the armor was
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being made; and the date that all this was going to be completed.
And r think there's somebody that should have said the date of completion is not acceptable. So, instead of
having two manufacturers of annor, perhaps we should have had four or five companies doing it. Instead of
having six places that were putting the armor on the vehicles, maybe we needed 12 or 15 or whatever it took.
So, there was some foot dragging there, obviously. .
GIBSON: Brigadier General Nick Halley. General, thanks very much, appreciate you coming on.
HALLEY: Thank you very much, John.
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From: Barber. Allison, CIV, OASD·PA [allison.barber<.qi~~}~N{": :} i1Mi:1
Sent: Tu~sday, December 14,20045:41 PM .
To: Di Rita Larr)' ,(E·mail): Ruff, Eric, CIV, OASD-PA
Subject: the road to iraq - starring hope and crosby
hi there
finally made some forward movement on the military analysts trip to iraq.
looks like we have a window of opportunity the first week of jan. larry, i know you had
mentioned a bureau chief too.
we nave a ,total of 15 slots. my idea is to use 10 slots for our top military analysts and
then have 1 slot for staff (dallas) and then 4 slots for anyone else you want me to
include.
we are going to be able to overnight in iraq, so that is good. but all travel will be done
in blackhawks which is why centcom can only support 15 people.
thanks
ab
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Subject: RE: William Cohen
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Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 8:40 AM
SUbject: Re: media outreach
Eric: r can't read this 9rid, but I hope it does not have the secdef/depsec proposals on
it ... sent you am email.earlier on the point ..
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Sent: Tue Dec 14 08:36:52 2004
Subject: media outreach
erv, hal,
following a discussion with larry, i'm forwarding a grid containing tactical suggestions
for an array of senior dod leadership. some have been or will be implemented. please
note we have some ideas for consideration by generals abizaid and· casey, we should also
send you an internal-use only copy of the trascript from general pace's briefing with
military analysts, which took place at 1745 yesterday. thanks, eric
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To: Larry DiRita (E-mail 2)
Cc: Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA; Rhynedance, George, COL, OASD-PA; Thorp, Frank, CAPT,
OCJCS/PA
Subject: FW: MIL ANALYSTS CONF CALL - FEEDBACK
This event went very well -- you were right Gen Pace really gave it the right context and the
group on the phone asked insightful questions in a very friendly atmosphere. This should pay
off down the road.
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To: Thorp, Frank, CAPT, OCJCS/PA
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Subject: MIL ANALysrs CONF CALL -- FEEDBACK
Capt Thorp,
Late this afternoon, in response to a request from Mr. Di Rita, Gen Pace spoke with 15 retired military analysts on the
subject of Armored vehiclesJforce protection. The session was ON THE RECORD, so you will likely hear some of the·
analysts using his name. Also supporting the event was 5G Jeff Sorenson, from Army G8. Call was from 1715-1745. A
brief recap follows - not sure when OSD will have a transcript ready to post, but thought some of this might be useful
considering the media plan for Gen Myers over the next several days.
Gen Pace opened by discussing the force protection challenge has two parts - equipment, but also the tactics
used. He described a continuum of protection, from most being buttoned up in a tank, to least, being walking the streets
of Baghdad without a flak vest or helmet. The greater the protection. the less the ability to personally interact with the
people and influence the situation.
He recapped the history of the "need" -- that shortly after May 03, the requirement was for about 1/3 of the vehicles to be
armored; 2/3 of the vehicles to be soft-skinned.
But a thinking, adapting enemy quickly learned that he couldn't take us on mllltary-to-mllltary so he changed tactics to
IEOs. .
He described the throe levels of armored vehicles, Indicated much had been done to procure equipment. and much
more'to do. Goal is 28,000 armored vehicles by the end of March. Healthy application of money and industry has already
been applied to this challenge, with more to follow. He also described the two task forces SecArmy has initiated: one on
equipment, and one -- last October -- an lED Task Force to study TIPs, share lessons learned immediately with the field,
analyze results, etc.
He made the point -- several times throughout the call - that this is more than simply a concern about equipmenl..the
need to balance between equipment and tactics. As a form of summary, Gen Pace indicated that we should not be
collectively too defensive on this subject, nor should we put too big a smiley face on It. Americans need to· know
that their sons and daLlghters are Important to us, and the analysts need to keep that In their minds, while we keep
hard at this, working on improving force protection against a thinking/adapting enemy.
Focus of the questions: .
Any constraints (fiscal, industry, etc.) on getting needed armor?
Can you characterize the tactics (on an unclas basis) that 'M)uld help us understand other force protection issues, such as
convoy protection? (Gen Pace said he didn't want to give TrPs, because then the enemy would change to counter them,
but rather he described the changing tactics of the enemy...first 1 lED, then later changed to explode 1 lED, and when
responders come, set off the 2nd one, etc.)
Can we reach the goals/numbers of armored vehicles we want in the time frame we want?
How much of this [responding to need for additional armor) is reaction to last week's dust-up at Town Hall, and how much
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already in the works?

. How would you characterize the level of protection offered by an 'up-armored' Humvee?
How did this issue bubble up? Is It an issue that leadership has ignored previously? . . .
What types of responses are we working on? Substances other than steel being considered? Kevlar? [Analyst asked how
. they might contact the right person if they were approached by industry or others with a possible solution.]
Overall lessons being learned and applied to future budgets/appropriations? How much is this impacting the future
purchases of the military?
Some are suggesting Marines are taking more casualties because they have less armored vehicle support than the Army
•• is that accurate? .
At the end of the call, Army PA indicated that BG Sorenson and MG Speaks will be doing a press briefing at 0800 Eastern,
on Wednesday to discuss Wheeled vehicles -- way ahead.
Analysts who indicated they would be on the call (those in BOLD asked questions):
General William L. Nash (USA. Retired)
Major General Donald W. Shepperd (USAF, Retired) .
I have included COL Joe Curtin's wrap up of the call below.
Provided for your info.
VIR
Katie
....................** .
GEN Pace and BG Sorenson participated in an OSD PA hosted teleconference today with 15 military analysts. Brief
remarks made by each general officer followed by some excellent questions by the military analysts. All on the record.
BUllet summary below:
* GEN PACE KEY COMMENTS:
• .challenge today is to balanoe equipment versus tactics for troops deployed throughout Iraq.
* Requirement changed over time asa thinking enemy founl;! Innovative methods to attack our troops using IEDs
• Provided definition for the three levels of protection provided on vehicles going into Iraq.
* Provided a short summary of the two SECARMY directed task forces underway to look at both the
manufacturing base and the lED threat.
* Provided context on what the Army has done over time to armor vehicles
* Made clear that armor is only part of protecting Marines and Soldiers: training, lessons learned. TIPs, and
technology are also key elements
*BG SORENSON
* Summarized number of vehicles armored to.date: unparalleled accomplishment versus any other coalition
natlon
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• Army is accelerating FMTV armored vehicles into theater
• Emphasized funding is there and we are working closely with industry to meet demand
• Pointed out the incredible testing effort on-going: tested over 1,000 "coupons" of materials
• Added emphasis that armor is only part of the solution to protecting troops - same points as above.
OSD PA officials very pleased with the engagement. Believe this made a big difference to help counter media'
mlsperceptions.
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From: Oi Rita, Larry, elV, OSD-OASD·PA
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 8:37 AM
To: Whitman, Bryan, SES~ OASD-PA; Brooks, Vincent K BG O C P A '
Cc: Rhynedance. George, COL, OASD·PA: Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA; Haddock, Ellen
.,.~
(Katie), Col, OCJCS/PA
we ought to think about a roundtable with military analysts that vcjcs, secarmy. and ltgen blum can do today to put this
Whole armor/ng issue into better perspective.
.......
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From:
Sent:
To:
Subject:
Ypou have been providing great stuff on this armor issue. I am going on CSPAN this
Saturday morning for an hour on this issue. I wonder if you hsave any information on a
couple of questions:
What is the story about Armor Holding Co.? They claim they could build more kits but were
not asked to do so.
What is the status of the Tennessee Guard unit that soldier came from? Why were they
scrounging for armor?
Although most HUMVEES have been uparmored, what about trucks and other support vehicles?
Thanks for any help you can give me.
Dan Goure
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From: Dj Rita, Larry, elV, OSD-OASD-PA
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 20044:55 PM
To: 'Dan Senor'
Subject: RE:
Ye5. will talk. I'll ~4ll you.
;~~~~O~~~i~:~o~e~::r~~~~d~nsenor~~~@m8fu8llitj80$jm
Sent: wednesday, December 08, 2004 4:31 PM
To: Oi Rita Larry crv OSD; Idirita~~~~®lG0DDWj8larry.dirita
Subject:
Larry I
Need your help: A number of people trashing Ker ik on background (shocker I r ! ) ..
NYT is doing a big piece on his service in lraq.
Would you mind talking to them on background to say positive things? I could give you the
paints that I've been hitting with them ..• wauld be good if they were echoed. You'll have
credibility with them, ble your time in Baghdad overlapped with Bernie's.
Let me know.
Thanks!
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From:
Sent:
To:
Subject:
ThanKS for ~he qUick and very helpful response.
Dan Goure
,.5D- PAil
wrote;
,. Sir:
>'
,. Keep an eye On the transcript section of the DoD web site.
,.
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2004/tr20041208-secdef1761.html
,. They have posted the transcript frOm the town hall meeting.
,.
,.,. Also here is a story on our web ~ite.
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Dec2004/n12082004_2004120806.html
,. This afternoon Mr. Di Rita and BG Rodriguez held a press conference
,. (operational update). That transcript isn't posted yet because the
,. presser was at 1300, but should be later. The press asked some
,. questions about this and Mr. Di Rita answered.
,. -----original Message----
,. From: Daniel Goure [mailto :dgoure2001iift~~WX(W';·;,,;<>{i:%Wj)j
,. Sen' " 2004 3:41 PM
,. To:
,. subject: DoD position on Rumsfeld Visit to Kuwait
,.
,.
,. ~=~I~-5J,:i~=ti::;;=it:;;=~M=V;';=(1:gl
,.
,. I an golng to be on WTOP radio tomorrow morning to talk about the
,. testy exchange between the Secretary and the soldier in Kuwait. They
,. want to also talk about what has been done to provide the troops in
,. Iraq with the gear chey need. Could you give me some information on
,. the following questions?
,.
,. What is DOD's position on the interchange? What about the soldier's
,. complaints?
,.
,. What is the status of the effort to provide armor kits and uparmored
,. vehicles to Iraq? What percentage of the vehicles are armored?
,.
,. Thanks.
,.
,. Dan Goure
,.
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From: Paul Vallely IpaulvalleIY@~:~,"=,JA"",W}""":;!i'~"""",,::,,ri;,,,!,';\i;~Fd

Sent: Wednesday, Decem AM
To: Thomas G Mclnern \i)YCIV OASD-PA~; scan 'ChuCk
Nash'; bria 'Cutler, Grace'; WSSlnter
t o n y . s n o w , ohn Loftus; Joh Batchelor
SUbject: Iran
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As we have stated many times before, Iran is the center of terror now and must be dealt with.
There must be consequences for their bad deeds!
When will the US come out with a strongly stated policy on Syria and Iran. Time is of the
essence,
Iraq, Jordon see threat to election from Iran
"The leaders of Iraq and Jordon warned yesterday that Iran is trying to influence the Iraqi.
elections scheduled for Jan. 30 to create on Islamic government that would dramatically shift
the geopolitical balance between Shiite and Sunni Muslims in the Middle East. Iraqi President
Ghazi Yawar charged that Iran is coaching candidates and political parties sympathetic to
Tehran and pouring 'huge amounts of money' into the campaign to produce a Shiite-dominated
government similar to Iran's."
* Rebels aided by allies in Syria, U.S. says
"u.S. military intelligence officials have concluded that tne Iraqi insurgency is being directed to
a greater degree than previously recognized from Syria, wnere they said former Saddam
Hussein loyalists have found sanctuary and are channeling money and other support to those
fighting the established government. Based on information gathered during tne recent fighting
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in Fallujah, Baghdad and elsewhere in the Sunni Triangle, the officials said that a handful of
senior Iraqi Baathists operating in Syria are: collecting money from· private sources in Saudi
Ara[)ia and Europe and turning it over to the insurgency."
Iran rejects Egypt conspiracy accusations
"Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Asafi rejected Wednesday Egyptian accusations on
Iranian diplomat is involved in conspiracies against·Egypt....Egyptian Public Prosecutor Maher
Abdel Wahed announced Tuesday police arrested an Egyptian agent for the Iranian
Revolutionary Guards recruited by an Iranian diplomat in Cairo to carry out terrorist attacks
against Egypt and Saudi Arabia and to assassinate important Egyptian officials,"
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Paul E Vallely
Military Analyst
tel:
mobile:
NY TIMES 7916
Sent: Wednesday, December 01,20048:17 AM
To: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD·PA; Keck, Gary, Col, OASD·PA: Thorp, Frank, CAPT,
OCJCS/PA; Ruff, Eric, SES, OASD-PA
Cc: f~tm):'Ft?ft}j,}j;x/:<1 SMSgt, OCJCS/PA
Subject: Stray Volts on Fo~ce Rotation
From the meeting last night, I believe we have the followingitems'outstanding this morning in support of the rOil-out of the
force rotation issue:
1. Input due early this morning (0800) so we can adjust the talking points and give the staffed version to LA for Hill
notifications starting at 0900. .
2. Need to set up an outreach call with the military analysts for 1430,
3. Need to set up and announce a press briefing (roundtable-type in Army (7) conference room) for 1500 or 1515.
4. Need to do a courtesy notification to the affected Governors.
5. Need to do a courtesy notification to the government of Japan (31 MEU is out of Okinawa) - I believe we discussed
getting the Policy desk officer or the JS involved.
6, Need to coordinate briefers from Army, USMC, Navy, JS - by name.
I'm sure there are some other things that need to get done and we'll work those as they pop-up. Would appreciate any
other issues that you think may be out there. I'd be happy to help on any and all issues today, Your thoughts?
GR
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From·:
Sent:
To:
SUbJect:
Please forward to roxie at press ops. Thx Allison Barber Deputy Assistant Secretary of
Defense
From:
To: Barber, A OASD-PA <Allison.Barbe Davis, Archie, Col, OASD-PA
<Archie.Davis
Sent: Tue Nov 23 14:36:35 2004
Subject: military analyst request
Any ideas yet on how to help him?
I'm in the process of staffing with Fox a "hero'S minute". The purpose is for me to do a
series of one minute descriptions of close combat Vignettes that highlights recent actions
by soldiers and marines in FAluggia and elsewhere. It's an effort to show individual acts
to offset some of the bad publicity that's been coming out of Fallugia recently. They
Would be last minute trailers during prime time, Would you be willing to support this?
Scales
From: Military-Analysts List on behalf of ~~3~~iijjif'::i~~(:MWf~!J;;i;!:*;;%r!':\0\\;i!l'0ASD.PA

Sent: Fri 11/19/2004 2:40 PM
To: MILITARY-ANALYSTS-L@DTIC,MIL
Subject: 000 Update: CENTCOM Fallujah
Attached please find today's update from the Department of Defense Office of public
Affairs.
«TP 11-19-04 CENTCOM Fallujah update.doc»

USMC Lt. Gen. 'John Sattler, commander of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force in Fallujah,
briefed the Pentagon press yesterday via satellite about Operation Al-Fajr (Dawn).
Following are highlights. (transcript) <
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2004/tr20041118-1606.html>
• The purpose of operation Al-Fajr was to eliminate Fallujah as either
a perceived or an actual safe haven from which terrorists could operate.
• Based on some of the records and ledgers uncovered during the

fighting, commanders believe they have broken the back of the insurgency and eliminated
Fallujah as a safe haven. The fighters have been forced to leave for new areas. When
fighters are in areas they are not familiar with, it is easier to capture or bring them to
justice.
The Coalition is now operating throughout all of Fallujah. In order

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to make the town relatively safe so it can be turned over to Iraqi security forces, both
u.s. troops and Iraqi security forces are now in the search~and-clear phase. going house
to house and building to building. They have found stockpiles of weapons and in one
basement, a room with bloodstained walls and tools for what appears to be some type of
torture chamber.
~ The timeline for opening the town for residents to return will be
event driven, based on conditions, rather than time driven. Coalition military leaders
will make recommendations to Prime Minister Allawi once they feel the area is fairly safe
and secure. The intent now is to phase in the return of the city'S citizens by.sector. The
Iraqi government will make the calls about which sections of town to open when.
~ More than 50 U.S. troops and eight Iraqi troops have died in the
fighting. It is estimated that 1,200 insurgents have been killed. A process is in place to
compensate Iraqis for damage to their residence or business and for restitution for injury
or death to innocent civilians.
• U.S forces will move out as the Iraqi security structure takes hold,
but forCes will stay as close as necessary to ensure the rule of law is maintained. A
curfew is still in place.
* Clean-up operations have begun. The Civil Military Operations Center
has been stood up; it will bring humanitarian assistance and construction in coordination
with the Iraqi government. The water, sewage, electrical grid and basic essential services
are being evaluated. Food and water are being distributed.
.. The Coalition and the Iraqis will continue to follow all leads to
pursue the individuals who got away and the cowards who left early.
Gen. John Abizaid, commander of U.S. central Command, has completed a three-day visit to
Iraq. Following are some highlights of his remarks.
.. Most people in Iraq and the rest of the Arab world do not share the
views of the extremists. They want to live in a world governed by their own laws, not one
dominated by bin Laden or al-Zarqawi.
• Courageous Iraqi patriots are fighting against the extremists' so
their country can be safe and secure, governed by elections and a constitution.
• Both Iraqis and Americans must have patience and willpower during
the time it will take to train the security forces and find brave individuals willing to
lead them.
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From: Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD~OASD~PA
To: 'Dan Sell or'
Subject: RE:
Thanks.
~~~~~o~~~i~~~o~e~::I~~~:~~n5enor~*~m80)*0J0J0*~
Sent: Monday, November 22, 200~ 1:29 PM
Subject: RE:
Perfect. Great. Watch at SPM ... I promise to stick to script ... Thanks!
:i~~~~d~~~~~~i~0iYJ~~~%SS~~~M~A:~~~:~
> 1. elections in Iraq ... good thing, it will be tough between now and
;. then, lots of pressure to change date from u.n. and elsewhere,
> transition to sovereignty was hard, too. etc.
>
> 2. force levels: a matter for the commanders.
> They have gotten what they
> have sought. Abizaid and metz have the job of balancing the requests
;. from individual division commanders against the cOuntry~wide
> requirements. If abizaid and metz determine more is needed, they are
> going to get what they need.
:>
:> 3. rumsfeld "killed" intel bill: nonsense.
> Testified in public before the
> president even submitted legislation. said we need reform. D~tails
> were left to the committees in congress. white house.
> General Myers was asked
> for his views and he gave them, as he is statutorily required to do.
>
;. 4. Through it all. remember the u.s. forces on thanksgiving.
>
> Tnx ...
>
> -----original Message--···
:>From: Dan Senor [mailto;dansenort~%~S0B;00008BJN
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 12:m14~~PMmmmmmmm=
> To: .Di Rita Larry CIV OSD; Idirita~~~"0t0B!00l~B80W
> SubJect:
>
> Larry,
>
> I'm going on FOX News ("Bl:G STORY WITH JOHN GIBSON") today at SPM.
> Anything new that you want me to push?
> -Dan
>
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From: Di Rita. Larry, elV, OSD·OASD-PA
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:49 AM
To: 'Dan Senor'
SlIbject: RE:
Thanks . . You might dampen a little bit the comments by the 1M!!:!" commander that we "broke
the back" of the insurgency.
These points would help:
--We are on track to make Fallujah unavailable as a safe haven to terrorists and f.r.e.
--The campaign of intimidation against Sunnis was part of the strategy in Fallujah, and
sunni citizens are now coming forward in large numbers to provide better intelligence.
--Fallujah was obviously being used for z~rqawi operations. We have uncovered large
weapons caches, i.e.d. factories, etc.
--Now comes the important work of reconstruction and integration of Fallujah into Iraq as
a whole. The Iraqi government and coalition have a plan to commit hundreds of millions of
dollars to reconstructing the city and helping the residents return.
Thanks.
;;~~~o~;~i~:~0~e~~:I~~~~~nsenor{~~~~00Bt~g80m
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:45 AM
To: ni Rita Larry CIV OSD
Subject:
Larry,
Doing some TV. later on Fallujah. Here are the points I will hit:
-Raid on Baghdad mosque & Mosul hospital demonstrate value. of having Iraqi security forces
on front line of certain operations. Better to have Iraqis engaging Iraqis at politically
or religiously sites, rather than Americans engaging Iraqis.
-Discovery of terror facilities in Fallujah (slaughterhouse, terror training classroom.
SUV, etc) underscore the importance of going into Fallujah, even if many of the terrorists
were able to scatter. We've removed their base of op's. They need these facilities to be
effective. Once they're on the run and wlo access to a safe haven from which to build and
use such facilities, harder for them to operate.
Anything else? Any other nuggets that would bolster the case for Why our strategy is
working?
Thanks!
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Subject: Military Analysts conference call
. ~
Location: 1-800-860·2442
Start: Sat 11/2012004 8:30 AM

End: Sat 11/20/2004 9:00 AM
Recurrence: (none)
dial and ask the operator to connect you to the Military Analysts conference
call.
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From: [~,lf~;1!::i;!i!;H,;:'\ni'::":M!e lv OASD-PA

To: Davis, Archie, Col. OASD-PA
Subject: FW: Bio (Milt CopulOS)
Attachments: MILTON RCOPULOS SIO IV.doc
V1ILTON RCOPULOS
Archie, one of the requests I left on your desk was to switch Mr. Milton
810 IV.doc (29 ...
Copulas 'from the Civilian Defense Experts list to the Retired Military Analyst list.
Attached is his Bio. Would you confirm or deny for me,
Thanks
Program Support Specialist

Pubhc Affairs 'Room
Telephone.'
Fax:
-----Origlnal Message---- =mYm

.. ==""
From: Milton Copulos [mallto:cOPUlos@11t~!, ii;C;;:'!'!,'!'jnIWI
sent: W esda Jul 28,2004 1:54 PM
T o : ' CIV OASD-PA
Cc: n
SUbject: Re: Bic
Attached is the bio you requested.
. milt
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SUbject: Chuck Nash
Start: Tue 11/16/2004 11 :00 AM

End: Tue 11/16/200411:00 AM
Recurrence: (none)
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MILTON R. COPULOS
For more than three decades, Milton R. Copulos has been a prominent figure in national
political circles. He served as a Cabinet·level advisor in the Bush and Reagan
Administrations, working closely with the Secretaries of Defense, Energy, Interior and
Commerce, as well as the Dirl:ctor of Central Intelligence.
While working for the Executive Office of the President in the Reagan White House,
Copulos authored a number of important studies including the National Critical Minerals
Reporrand Advanced Materials Program Plan, the Department of Energy's assessment
of the former Soviet Union's natural resource base as well as a number of classified
documents. He was also a participant in the Defense Industrial Base Initiative and the
principal consultant to the Department of Defense on the Defense Environment Initiative.
More recently, Copulos has authored a number of important studies related to energy and
national security. In October of2003 two ofthese were issued: "America's AChilles Heel,
the Hidden Cost ofImported Oil. A Strategy for Energy Independence" and "Assuring the
Flow, Meeting Military Needs During Oil Import Supply Disruptions," both published by
the National Defense Council Foundation.
He is currently working on an in~depth analysis of the current situation in Saudi Arabia

and how it could affect military access to critical fuel supplies.
As a prominent expert on natural resources, national defense and international politics.

Copulos is frequently called upon to lecture at universities and other academic
institutions around the nation. He has been a visiting lecturer at the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology, the University of Maryland Graduate School of Nuclear
Engineering and the University of Dallas Graduate School of Management.
He was also selected as faculty for the prestigious Salzburg Seminar in American Studies
sponsored by Harvard University in Salzburg, Austria. He is also the only individual to
be asked to deliver the prestigious "Management Classics" lecture at the University of
Dallas.
A prolific author, Copulos has published more than 700 articles, books and monographs.
His writing has appeared in such prominent national news media as The Washington
Post, The Los Angeles Times and The Chicago Tribune. He is also a frequent contributor
to periodicals such as Insight Magazine, VFW Magazine and Regulation Magazine. His
book "Energy Perspectives" was a Washington Post best seller, and for four years he
wrote a nationally syndicated column distributed by the Heritage Features Syndicate.
He also has appeared on nationally broadcast news and information programs including
such programs as FOX News Network's "FOX and Friends", CNN's "Cros~fire". and
"War Room with Wo~rBlitzer" as well as local broadcasts for major network affiliates. He
has also acted as an on-air military analyst for MSNBC.
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Because of his internationally recognized expertise in foreign affairs, Copulos has often
been asked to meet with foreign leaders. Included among them are individuals such as
President Fidel Ramos of the Republic of the Philippines and President RaufDentkash of
the Turkish Republic of Northem Cyprus.
A veteran of two tours of duty in Vietnam, Copulos was awarded the Bronze Star and
Army Commendation Medals, as well as five battle stars. He was retired from the United
States Anny with the rank of Sergeant on February 1, 1970. He is a graduate of The
American University in Washington, D.C. and lives in Crofton, Maryland.
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From: Oi Rita, larry, CIV, OSO-OASD-PA

To: 'Dan Senor'
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: Bagdad medIa reporting]
I'm in my office now.
-----Original Message----- .~
•• ~~
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From: Dan Senor [mail to: dansenor<¥m&~~'i;:[ZiHL}\Y' [Wil

To: Di Rita, Larry. CIV, OSD-OASD-PA
SUbject: Re: Re: Re: (Fwd: Re: Bagdad media reporting]
okay ... thanks ... will call in about a half-hour. where will you be? on ce'll??
--- "Di Rita, Larry, CIV, OSD-OASD-PA"
darry. dirita~$Mme!;<';'i);U3gn'{i;!;i'!;i:}Hil wrote:
,. On cell now ~~~~~};';::f;':HMV Xi::,::};);:):,:::::1

> -----~--------------------
,. Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
,.
,.
: ;~~~: O~;~ i ~:~o~e~ ~~;~ ~~~;J~&~~!,;!:1;;;;':;x, :N??:)I
,. To: Di Rita. -PA
,. <larry.dirit
,. Sent: Sun Nov 07 21:46:14 2004
,. subject: Re: Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: Bagdad media reporting]
,.
,. thanks ... what # can i reach you at in the AM?
,. --- "Di Rita. Larrx( CrVcOSD-OASD-PA"
,. <larry. diri tai~M~ljDi(:;i:j}!;'Wy;i//,!y;'/;;;;;i;)":;1w rote:
,.
> ,. I'll be up., .will send you some talkers in the meantime
> > ---_.~----~---------------
,. ,. Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
:> :>
,. :>
:> ,. -----Original Message-----~~~~~~~
,. ,. From: Dan Senor <dansenor4~.~,W,ly,}:{:'(;,;.,",),;c.:·:'n
~ ~ To, Di Rita, Larr , CIV, OSD-OASD-PA
: : :i~~~ t.:i;t!~ i);,\i'ii '}iXn '.(t:'ii:!! ldirita~~j,Ii(;;!1;t;;i;;twi!·:';;nl

,. ,. Sent: Sun Nov 07 17:46:222004
,. ,. Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: Bagdad media reporting}
,. :>
,. ,. Larry. I'm going on TV tomorrow morning regarding Fallujah. Want
:> :> to make sure I'm on message. Will you be up tomorrow morning at
,. ,. around 5:00 AM to give
:> me
:> ,. the dump? Would be grateful. Thanks!
: :
,. ~
:~~r;~:d~~i~~t~iw,~i0\~~~~lli~lliw~flA~~~~~:
:> > > Call me
~ > ~ -------------------------
,. ,. :> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
,. :> :>
,. ,. ,.
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:> ,. ,. To: Di Rita, Larry, CIV. OSD-OASD-PA
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> > > larry. diri ta~~1Wr?i';;?';':'>f;i);T"';\Y";;>;j:::1

<:
> > > Sent: Tue Oct
26 19:19:36 2004
> > > Subject: RE: Re: Re: {Fwd: Re: Bagd~d media reporting]
:> :> >
> > "Good. About to go on Paula Zahn to duke it out
" on
" > " the
" > ~ explosives issue.
: ; : :i~r;~~d~;i~~~~R~E0~~%0~0m0200$*4~~~~:~
" > "
> > " " Spoke with him. Agree9.
> > " >
: : ; : ;~~~:O~~;i~:~o~ei::I~~~:~~nsenor~~%~f~8~0S0f)rn
> > " > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 4:45 PM
> > > > To: Pi Rita, Larry, Cry, OSD-OASO-PA
> > > > Subject: RE: Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: Bagdad media reporting]
: : : : ~R!f~Fe::'::W/Hk;i;';;;/;)i;{:X;;;1
> > > > --- "Di Rita, LarrX. crv, OSO-OASD-PA"
> > » <larry. diritaf~;TI~l;E';:@!iE,;~1W~!;\i!;M':t:;H:;;:!/i1;i;;';! wrote:
~ > > >
> > " > > Do you have a phone number?
> > > :> >
> > " > > -----Original Message----
" > > " > From: Pan Senor [mailto:dansenor~b!~~~j~U~Y~j~~'···~·'·~<~
: : ~ : ;;~~t~a~~~~~r~it~lj~~S~uSN'l~~~tt~'
" > " " > Subject: Fwd: Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: Bagdad media reporting]
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Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:06 AM
To: Brookes. Peter
Subject: Brookes' Weekly New York Post column: Syria-S Trouble: Damascus Harboring Insurgency
Planners
NEW YORK POST

SYRIA-S TROU.BLE
By PETER BROOKES
October 25, 2004 -- ONE key to stabilizing Iraq isn't even in the country, but next door
in Syria.
It's not just that innumerable Saddam loyalists, al Qaeda terrorists and foreign fighters
have crossed the 370-mile Syrian border into Iraq over the past year. Syria also has
become a safe haven for the Ba'athist Bigs pulling the strings of the attacks in iraq.
These thugs operate with impunity while Damascus turns a blind eye. The situation
has gotten so bad - and so critical to busting the insurgency - that Washington has
sent at least two senior State and Defense Department delegations (along with Iraqi
officials) to Damascus in the last two months.
Their blunt message to President Bashar a! Assad: Address this festering problem with
concrete action - or pay the consequences. .
After months of tough going, Coalition forces are now making a dent in the Iraqi
insurgency by pressing the offensive in places like Fallujah. (The weekend arrest of a
senioral Oaeda aide certainly helps.) The death toll among the bad guys is now as
high as 15,000 since the postwar fighting began, says Central Command's Gen. John
Abizaid. (He estimates that 5,000 still remain.)
But ending the flow of reinforcements, cash and weapons to the insurgents is just as
important as wiping out the active fighters. That's where Syria comes in.
Under the protection of Syrian Ba'athist regime, 201050 former senior Iraqi Ba'ath
security.,.service goons and Saddam aides and relatives are supervising the guerilla
war back home. Some analysts say these leadership cells are more dangerous to
Iraq's long-term stabillty than even al Qaeda's Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.
Assad has promised to cooperate with Coalition and Iraqi requests, especially on
closing the border. But he has yet to produce results. .
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So howdo we eliminate the ability of the Syrian cells to plan, direct, organize and fund
(Saddam stashed at least $1 billion in Syria before the war) the bloody rebellion?
We have much more leverage with Syria than most people think. Damascus is
politically iso'ated (except for its closest ally, Iran). And with unemployment hovering at
20 percent, Syria's economy is faltering.
If Syria fails. to cooperate, Washington could ratchet up the pressure by implementing

sanctions beyond those already taken under the Syria Accountability and Lebanese
Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2003.
Those laws already ban U.S. exports to Syria (less food and medicine). but
Washington could cut off financial dealings with Syrian banks. This would scare off
much-needed foreign investment, further crippling the Syrian economy.
America could also lean on the European Union (EU) to rescind its recently-inked
trade and cooperation pact with Syria. To take effect, the agreement still needs the
unanimous approval in the EU parliament. London and America's "New Europe" allies
should be open to reason.
And, working with Paris (yes, Paris!), we could further squeeze Damascus by acting on
the regime's intransjgence over U.N. Security Council Resolution 1559. The recently
passed resolution called for Syria to withdraw all 15,000-20,000 of its troops from
Lebanon. (Syrian troops have been in Lebanon since the 1976 Lebanese civil war, and
the government in Beirut is essentially a Syrian puppet.)
A second Franco-American resolution on Lebanon is already in the works. Security.

Council punitive action, such as multilateral economic sanctions for non-compliance, is
certainly possible.
Damascus also risks:
... Creating a sworn enemy in the new lraq.
... Losing U.S. help in reviving the stalled Syrian-Israeli peace talks (Damascus
desperately wants the Golan Heights back).
* Drawing U.S. military strikes against insurgent targets in Syria - always an option.
President Bush has called Syria "an unusual.and extraordinary threat." He's right.
Syria's a dictatorship, has weapons of mass destruction and supports terrorism in
Israel through the likes of Hezbollah and Hamas.
If Syria doesn't couple words with deeds soon, Damascus should suffer appropriate
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consequences. We've played nicely long enough. Assad has a fateful choice to make:
Take advantage of a window of opportunity for better relations with the United States
and.its permanent - and increasingly angry - neighbor Iraq. Or follow the likes of
Saddam Hussein and the Taliban directly into the dustbin of history.
Peter Brookes is B Heritage Foundation senior fellow.
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From: PaLlI Vallely (paulvaJ(ely~~11~!}'ii";j!?YX~::,j@; : :;1
Sent: Thursday. October 21.2004 5:35 PM
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Outside View: Winning in Afghanistan

By Thomas Mclnerney and Paul Vallely
Outside View Commentators
Published 10/2212004 2:02 AM
WASHINGTON, Oct. 22 (UP I) - While it's no surprise that Democrats John F. Kerry and John B.
Edwards harshly criticize President Bush's Iraq policy, their new claim about the war on Islamist
telTorism -- the campaign in Afghanistan, Operation Enduring Freedom, was a failure because it
failed to kill or capture of Osama bin Laden - is baffling.
Calling the Afghan campaign a failure is puzzling because, by every meaningful measure, it was a
resounding success. A cornbined force of anti-Taliban Afghans, U.S. special operations forces,
carrier~ and land-based U.S. airpower, and more conventional Army and Marine units qUickly
liberated Afghanistan. On Oct. 7, 2001 when U.S. air strikes began, the TaUban and its ally al-Qaida
controlled 90 percent of Afghanistan.
Two months later, they had been driven out of every major cIty and were fleeing for the Afghanistan
Pakistan border, relentlessly pursued by U.S. airpower, U.S. Marines, and U.S.-assisted mujahedin.
Most of the credit rightly belongs to the men and women of the U.S. armed forces and the brave
Afghan fighters who took the fight to the Taliban and al·Qaida. A good measure of it, however,
belongs to Bush. The initial ptan for the Afghan campaign called for a months-long build-up of a ·force
of three Army divis;onsand then a conventional offensive in the spring of 2002. Determined to take
immediate action, the president demanded a different course of action. The result was a campaign
that produced a swift and decisive victory and refuted predictIons of a quagmire in Afghanistan.
To be sure. Operation Enduring Freedom had its problems. The air campaign's initial pace was
desultory and its initial direction was against fixed targets rather than enemy forces in the field.
Central Command often refused to delegate decisions about using airpower, disrupting the Air
Force's "time~c,itical targeting" and leading to some missed opportunities, including a couple to kill
. the Taliban's leader, Mullah Ornar. By exercising command from his stateside headquarters, Gen.
Tommy Franks denied himself the "feel" for events on the ground that is a necessary element of
successful command. But that said,. it worked.
As vexing as they were, these problems were not of Bush's making.
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The air campaign's initially slow pace stemmed in large part trom the fact that the United States had I
(and has) too few aerial refueling aircraft. Most of the campaign's other shortcomings can be put I
down to the drastic shift from peace to war that occurred in September 2001 -- a shift even more
sudden and profound than that which occurred in December 1941 - and one of war's irrefutable I
Jaws: nothing goes exactly as planned. I
Kerry correctly states that, in Tora Bora, Central Command did not use U.S. conventional forces to
"close the ba~ door" on the remnants of the Taliban and al-Qaida - that might have included
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Osama bin Laden - trying to get into Pakistan. He is, however, quite wrong to claim that the fighting I
was "outsourced" to Afghan warlords. . I
Quite simply and quite understandably, General Franks applied the formula that had been successful
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during the previous eight weeks: Afghan fighters backed by U.S. special operations forces and
supported by U.S. airpower. Despite the fact that bin Laden and other "big fish" were not netted, I
hundreds of Taliban and al-Qaida fighters were killed.
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The battles in Tara Bora did not mark the end of the military campaign against the Taliban and al I
Qaida. Launched in March 2002, Operation Anaconda was a bold winter offensive against enemy
enclaves, conducted by coalition units that included the 10th Mountain Division and the 101st I
Airborne Division. I
Operation Enduring Freedom smashed the Taliban, routed al-Qaida, and put their leaders on the run.
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It strengthened the hand of Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf whose domestic campaign I
against al-Qaida has killed or captured many of its leaders -- including the mastermind of the 9/11 I
attacks, Khalid Sheik Mohammed. It put other lslamist terrorists on notiCe about U.S. strength and
resolve and the American military's enormo.us power and global reach. Finally, it taught the U.S. I
military many lessons -- lessons that. to his great credit, Franks applied with stunning results to the I
I planning and execution of the Iraq campaign.
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was three years ago ~- and that freedom can put down roots anywhere in the world. Those who
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Must be ni~e Co ha~e a friendly newspaper publi~h your press releases. Good wor~.
From: Hill-press List [mailto:HILL-PRESS-L@OTIC.MIL!On Behalf Of OASD-PA
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Subject: DoD TPs 10-20-04 Wash Times Iraq article
Attached please find an article from the Washington Times by Jed Babbin, who interviewed
U.S. troops who have served in Iraq.
<cTP 10-20-04 Wash Times Babbin article.doc»
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From: Brookes, Peter IPeter.Brookes~~IW~W;; '!l'tiS,'H';11'FI

Sent: Monday, October 18,2004 7:26AM
To: Brookes, Peter
Subject: Brookes' Weekly NY Post Column: "Iraq Looking Up"
NEW YORK POST
IRAQ LOOKING UP
By PETER BROOKES
October 18, 2004 -- YOU wouldn't know it from most of the pun dits or the evening news
broadcasts, but things are looking up in Iraq. The high-staKes decision to go on the
offensive militarily - and politically - over the last couple of weeks has made a big
diEference. .
The airstrikes, ground assaults, local negotiations and international diplomacy will pay
substantial dividends in establishing security in the run-up to next J~nu~ry's Iraqi
national elections.
Some discouraging days are undoubtedly still ahead (like attacks in the Green Zone). But a
number of disparate, but related, events indicate that the political and military momentum
is shifting to the Coalition and Iraqi side.
Skeptical? Consider the following developments:
NATO forces: In a significant diplomatic victory last Wednesday, the NATO defense
ministe~s, meeting in Romania, asreed to increase the group's military training contingent
in Iraq from 40 Co 300 by 'year's end. The new military advisers (most likely initially
f~om Denmark apd Norway) will be deployed to a center outside Baghdad to train Iraqi
military officers.
The NATO trainers will help boost the number of Iraqi forces from the current 100,000 to a
projected 145,000 by next January. (The NATO forces will serve under American Gen. David
Petraeus.) EqUipping these forces is also another challenge. and NATO may playa role
there as well.
Though France and Germany are still playing hard to get, there are some SUbtle hints that
even they may kick in some assistance later on. Moreover, Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld'a
NATO agreement is an important step in helpin9 mend the trans-Atlantic rift over Iraq.
Fallujah: The cent~al-Iraq town of 300,000 has been a snake pit since the Marines ended
their siege in Apri!. But in recent weeks, precision U.S. airstrikes have killed at least
six senior members of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's terror network. And the pencagon claims to
have eliminated half the foreign fighter leadership in the last month.
The airstrikes have had the added benefit of creating fault lines among Fallujah's bad
guys. The pounding nas inspired local insurgents to turn against the foreign fighters and
al Qaeda. Fallujan vigilante justice resulted in the killing of at least five foreign Arab
fighters in recent weeks, including a senior Zarqawi aide.
On the political side. while Iraqis negotiated for return of the city's control to local
forces. interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawiput some political spine into the situation by
demanding that Fallujah'g citi~ens hand over zarqawi - or face attack.
"If they do not turll in al Zarqawi and his group, we will c~rry out operations in
Flll1ujah," he recently told the lOO-member interim Iraqi ~ational Council. Gentle
reminders of the successful, joint Iraqi-U.s. assault on Samarra earlier this month may
give locals the needed incentive to fork over the terrorists.
Sadr City: Stubborn supporters of rebel cleric Muqtada al-Sadr have agreed to turn in
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their weapons in exchange for cold cash in the Baghdad slum,of Sadr City ($1.000 for a
,heavy machine gun; $250 'for a mortar; $170 for a grenade launcher; and even 25 cents for a I
bullet l '
Early bUY7back results are promising. but jt's not clear to what extent Sadr's Mahdi Army I
will really disarm. Cooperation, relative calm and a fragile cease-fire prevail for now.
If the peace deal holds, aid to rebuild this dilapidated section of Baghdad is waiting in
the wings.
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The point: The situation in Iraq is hetter than you'd think from the "if it bleeds, it
leads" news reports. I
The seemingly intractable chal~enges in Fallujah, Najaf, Samarra, Baghdad and Ramadi I
shouldn't he underestimated by any means. sut these problems - confined predominantly to
the Sunni Triangle's major urban areas - should be contrasted with the rest of the
country, which haa been pacified and is under military control. (Remember: Iraq is
California's size.)
Iraqis need to take control of the security situation as soon as possible. Mi~itary
victories, which should include Iraqi forces for confidence-bolstering purposes, must be
quicklY followed up by economic aid to the conte~ted area. I
We'll surely continue to see v~olence through the U.S. elections next month and the Iraqi I
elections next January. But if we (in collaboration with Iraqi ~ounterpartsl keep pressing
the political and military offensive as we have of late, stability and security is in I
sight.
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Bribes-for-Weapons program. Sharples: those wonderfully-handy felt-tipped pens with permanent ink that
my wife continues to swipe from my desk. The Afghan election -- an otherwise wonderful and historic
event .- Is now In dispute because the U.N. didn't have Sharples handy,
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Laugh if you must, but the humor of this can only be appreciated by the overpaid bureaucrats of Turtle
Bay. The U.N. was supposed to be monitoring and assuring the validity of the Afghan election in which
Hamid Karzal and about seventeen others were vying for the presidency of this war-ravaged nation. The
U.N. failed. Not because of violence in the polling places, though there surely was some. Not because
hundreds of thousands of Afghanis quailed at the terrorists' threats of murder if they tried to vote, because
they didn't. The U.N. failed because Its Infallible, Impartial, lind professional election monitors planned to
mark the cuticle of one thumb of each voter with ink to show they'd voted and thus prevent them from
voting again, and couldn't manage to get even that right. You'd think they'd have arranged for pens with
Ink that wouldn't wash off Immediately, rendering the result In doubt of massive Chicago-like vote fraud.
But they didn't. It's as If the U.N. election monitors had been trained by former Louisiana gov Edwin
Edwards. In truth, that would probably have been an Improvement.
In the fall of 2001, Afghanistan sat under the oppression of the TaUban, UBL and the Pakistani Intelligence
Service that kept it in the sorry condition it had been since the Soviets Withdrew In defeat. After
September 11, the reign of the Taliban was brought to an abrupt end, 81 Qaeda was almost destroyed, and
OBL was on the lam. In just three years, Afghanistan went from a nation that had never in its history
allowed its people self·determination, to one in which -- despite the strictness of Islamic law that stili
dominates much of its people -- millions voted. The picture on the front page of Sunday's Washington Post
said It all: a woman, garbed head to toe in a burqa, only her hands visible, pushing her paper ballot Into a
ballot box. According to one report, pollsters weren't able to get good exit polls because the Afghanis were
reveling in their ability to keep their votes secret.
That the U.N. couldn't manage even this simple thing leaves me wondering just what role it can pOSSibly
play in the January elections in Iraq. Let's help. Every American (and everyone else interested in seeing
democracy take root In Iraq) should send a Sharpie to Secretary Kofi Annan (Hizzoner Kofi Annan,
Secretary General, U.N. Headquarters, First Avenue at 46th Street, New York, NY 10017). Maybe by this
little act of charity we can help prevent in Iraq the same buffoonery that just occurred In Afghanistan.
Don't send nasty letters. Just a little note saying we're trying to help the U.N. do what it obviously can't do
on its own.
THANK HEAVEN THAT the U.N. played no role in the Australian election last week. Prime Minister John
Howard, who braved enormous political opposition to do It, joined Mr. Bush's Coalition of the Willing, and
sent Aussie troops to Afghanistan and Iraq. His survival was long in d9ubt but the Aussles reelected him
with a substantial margin of victory. Now, maybe President Bush can mention his name again with
prominence in the final debate against Vichy John Kerry. Aussie liberals are shocked by their loss. Maybe
they should think about it more. Their message didn't fail with the voters because It wasn't clear enough,
or because they didn't articulate it well or loud enough. It failed becCluse Aussies are practical people. They
don't want terrorism at home, so they're willing to fight it at its SOurce. So must we.
Two out of the four elections that should affect the war on terrorists and the nations that support them
have passed, and but for the U.N. screw-up, both would stand as a powerful message to the enemy. The
effect of the January Iraqi election will depend on what happens here in November. If Mr. Bush wins,
terrorism will remain on the run. If Kerry prevails, we will suffer an enormous setback.
Kerry's "plan" for Iraq is in tatters. He .says -- and John Edwards r.eiterated on Meet the Press on Sunday -
that the Iraq war Is the wrong war, at the wrong time and in the wrong place. Kerry's principle idea, to
bring in those nations that have so far refused to join In the fight, has only meant one thing. In his
awesome egotism, Kerry believes that just because he Is who he is, france and Germany -- and perhaps
even Russia -- will send troops to relieve the burden we have shouldered. It's false, like so much else
Kerry and Edwards say. Chirac and Schroeder have already said that they won't send troops no matter
who the President may be on 21 January 2005. Kerry says that if we do this right, we can begin to
Withdraw our troops In six months, and be out of there in four years.
Mr, Kerry Objects to fighting this war on the terms it must be fought In order to win. We can't fall to build
the bases in Iraq we're now building, but he'd stop the construction. If we lack those bases, tnen any
further action in the ~iddle East -- against Iran and Syria -- will be much harder to accomplish when
Kerry's successor takes office. He wants to stop the program that's developing tactical nuclear penetrating
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bombs that can destroy Iran's buried nuclear weapons program untouchable by conventional weapons. Mr.
. Kerry wants to bring the troops home from this war,just as he did in the Vietnam War. Someone should
remind him that we lost that one thanks to him, Hanoi Jane, and their ilk.
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From: Brookes, Peter [Peter. Brookes@~?&~W@'.: >,L/F" XI

Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 4:50 AM
To: Brookes, Peter
SUbject: Brookes NY Post column; "Afghans' Fateful Vote"
NEW YORK POST

AFGHANS' FATEFUL VOTE
By PETER BROOKES
October 8, 2004 -- IN momentous defiance of their former Taliban masters, war-weary

Afghans will go to the polls tomorrow to participate in their country's first direct
presidential elections. Not too shabby for a nation rocked by a generation of violent
conflict, going back to the wintry Soviet invasion almost 25 years ago.
Coming just three years after the nation was freed from the shackles of al Qaeda and the
Taliban, tomOrrow's voting is arguably one of the most significant events of the post-9/11
world.
Thought it won't be picture perfect, the election is a vital step in establishing

democracy in Afghanistan. And it's happening right in the heart of the Islamic world.
Afghanistan has made tremendous progress toward democracy in very short order. Three years
ago, the fundamentalist Taliban ruled the country with an iron fist and provided safe
haven to al Qaeda.
In contrast, tomorrow, 18 candidates, including one courageous woman, will stand for a
five-year term as Afghan president - backed by a new democratic constitution.
More than 10.6 million Afghans (of 25 million total, children included) have registered to
vote. Remarkably, 42 percent of them are women - an impossibility under the Taliban. And
in all but two (violence-plagued) provinces of the country's 34, voter registration
exceeded 68 percent.
Even refugees will be able to vote. In Pakistan, 650,000 refugees registered, as did
400,000 in Iran. All in all, the vote should represent a broad cross-section of
Afghanistan's diverse ethnic and tribal populations.
It's not all good news though. Security could be election day's biggest nightmare. Two
thousand al Qaeda and Taliban jihadists will try to disrupt the elections, especially near
their strongholds along the rural Pakistan border.
Major cities may be targeted as well. A coordinated Vietnam Tet-style offensive in Kabul
(the capital) and Kandahar (the former Taliban bastion) on election day is certainly a
possibility.
The candidates aren't safe either. Interim President Hamid Karzai, his vice presidential
running mate and one of his deputies have all escaped separate assassination attempts in
the last two months. security concerns (plus a lack of funds, political experience - and
roads) have limited vigorous, western-style campaigning.
Voter intimidation is also a worry. Al Qaeda and Taliban threats will likely depress
turnout in the Pashtun-dominated south and east. Elsewhere, regional warlords or tribal
elders have given many voters "friendly advic"l!!" about to cast their ballot.
The election will be monitored by the watchful eyes of 125,000 Afghan election officials,
including 16,000 domestic observers and 227 international monitors, at 5,000 polling
centers in a country the size of Texas.
In addition, the forces of 41 nations, inclUding the Afghan National Army {lS,OOO men} and
police (25,000), NATO's International Security Assistance Force (8,000). and U.S. forces
(18,000), are deploying to provide security.
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No matter who is elected president, he - or she - will find nO shortage of problems. In

addition to the ongoing insurgency, opium production - the world's largest - must be
controlled. Narco-trafficking funds the insurgency as well as terrorism in and beyond
Afghanistan.
And the government must extend its influence beyond the capital. (Some joke of Karzai as
·President of KabuL") Provincial security must be improved, and the warlords' power must
be further reduced.
Tomorrow's presidential election - and the parliamentary and local races next spring
will help the nation deal with these Critical tasks by conferring real legitimacy on the
new government.
Every election is important. but none more so than the first. (Afghanistan actually last
held elections in 1969 for parliament.) Tomorrow's pOlling will break the ground for
future votes and the broader objectives of peace and stability.
Without question, this is an historic undertaking, the first step ona long journey to
freedom and prosperity. Even if only minimally successful, the election will prove once
again that Islam and democracy are indeed compatible.
But more than that, it will provide a beacon of hope to others in the Muslim world
yearning to be free. There is no doubt that what happens in Afghanistan tomorrow will
reverberate far beyond the country's vast mountains and deserts.
The election will also have a salutary effect on dismantling regional insurgencies. Not to
mention the prospects for promoting democracy in places like Iran, Pakistan, and the
countries of central Asia. But, perhaps, most significantly, the Afghan election will give
hope to the Iraqi people that democratic elections can be theirs as well.
Peter Brookes is a Heritage Foundation senior fellow. E-mail: peterbrookes

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From:' 01 Rita, Larry, elV, OSD-OASO·PA

Suoject: RE: bremer statement
Thanks. our posture has to continue to be that the Secretary relied upon the jUdgment cHId recommendatiOns of military
commanders during the pre-deployment, hostilities, and post-hostilities phases of Operation Iraqi Freedom.
·····Orlginal Message----
sent: Tuesday, October OS, 200"! 8:55 AM
To: Di Rita, LarryiC1V, OSD'OASD-PA
Subject: FIN: bremer statement
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From: Lawrence DI Rita [mallto:ldirita
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 10:31
To: Bryan SES OASD-PA Whitman; eric ruff
Subject: Fwd: bremer statement
apparently the michael gordon story will report that bremer was calling for more troops in iraq and this is his
statement.
spoke with sean mcconnack who said that condi would be speaking with gordon on wednesday late p.m, i told
him i was not sure seedef would be speaking with him but that feith was and we might try to get someone else
to.
i do think we need someone that can speak to this business of 1st cay and the off-ramp. let's press tomorrow.
perhaps i can speak with chainnan and see who he thinks.
Dan Senor <danseno wrote:
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 200418:32:44 .0700 (PDT)

From: Dan Senor
Sub'eet: bremer statement
To
scott_mcclellan
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BoucherRA
Statement by Ambassador L. Paul Bremer In
> > October 4, 2004
> > Contact: Dan Senor,~[?j~!sW\:@';f:;1@M1;;;~'~11j;,r'M
"I have recently delivered addresses in which I

explained that, following September I I, 200 I, the
United States and the West face a new kind of terror
threat. I said that winning the war in Iraq is an
integral part of fighting this war on terror. I made
clear that after spending 14 months in Iraq I was even
nmre
cOnvinced that removing the regime of Saddam Hussein
was the right thing to do and was central to winning
the war on terrorism.
"1 also stated that I agree with the President's
strategy for training Iraqi security forces and his
. overall strategy in Iraq. This is one of the many

reasons, as I explained in my addresses as well, that
I strongly support his fe-election.
"I believe that we currently have sufficient troop
levels in Iraq. The reference to troop levels that I
made referred explicitly to the situation as I found
it on the ground, when I arrived in Baghdad in May
2003, and when I believed we needed either more
Coalition troops or Iraqi security forces to address
the looting. We developed a plan to
address this problem, which has been continued by
Waq's Interim Government."
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To: . IV, OASD-PA; Rhynedance, George. COL. OASD-PA
Cc: Mr. OSD.ATL; Whitman, Bryan, SES. OASD-PA
SUbject: RE: Mr. DiRita -- summer study communications
Here is how it works with arranging outreach opportunities. with the military analysts.
There are a total of 46 on the list.
With a two-week advance notice on an outreach meeting in ~he Pentagon with the Chairman
and the Secretary as participants at the meeting, 15-20 analysts will attend. With 48
hours prior notice on a conference call
·Y"
Archie
.. Colonel Archie Davis

Director
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From: CIV, OASD-PA
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:03 PM
~~: ~~~~:~a~~~hi;~o~~~: ~~~D-~~~i{i)'<iiYii ?1U1DDDtil Mr. OSD-ATL; Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA
Subject: FW: Mr. DiRita -- summer s~udy communications
George -- I will work with COL Davis to arrange for Monday or Tuesday -- could you please
relay to Mr. DiRita -- Thank you -- Cheryl
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From: .
Sent,
To:
Ce:
Subject: RE: Mr, DiRita -- summer study communications
I know many of these fine people and there is no problem meeting with any or
all of them.
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. r OJ., 2004 9:51 AM
a -- summer study communications
Sir -- Here is the list you requested.
From: Davis. Archie. Col. OASD-PA
Sent: Friday October 01, 2004 9:49 AM
To: f~~D0j800000208 CIV, OASD-PA
SubJect: RE: Mr. DiRita -- summer study commnnicati.ons
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AS requested.
Archie
Colonel Archie Davis

Director
Public Liaison
-----0 . e----
From: crv, OASD - PA
Sent: Fr~day, October 01, 2004 8:56 AM
To: Davis, Archie, Col, OASD-PA
Subject: FW: Mr. DiRita -- summer study communications
Archie -- Can you provide a list for me and
~~~~tember )0, 2004 5:29 PM

'CIV, OASD-PA'
Mr, OSD-ATL'
RE: Mr. DiRita -- summer study commllnications
Can you provide a list of "retired military 'talking heads' and .subject
matter experts" who would be included in such a meeting?
I will expect to hear from Brian re next steps, either with the
aforementioned opinion leaders and subject matter experts of with DiRita.
Thank you for your continuing. attention to this topic.
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From:'
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To:
SUbject:
Bill. did you ever get anywhere with General Petreus' (Iraq)?
Program Specialist
Office of the Secretar
Public Affairs (Room
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Fax;
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To:
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Subject: RE: FOX REQUEST - RE: going to Iraq (Cowan)
Hello, sir.
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FOX REQUEST - RE: going to Iraq (Cowan)
Capt
Please see the note below concerning LTC Bill Cowan (USMC, Retired), FOX News who is
planning a trip to Iraq and would like to meet with/cover LTG Petraeus and the work you
are doing with Security Transition.
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,. this request. See below. Please keep me' in the loop as I.' d lik:e to
> know the progress.
>
" LTC Bill Cowan (USMC, Retired)
" Fox News Retired Milit~ry Analyst
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From:' .Rick Francona [francona ~~1~~lj<ij!i;){(1;:;;)1;M;;;;«;ii':;;)}~\!

Sent: , 24, 2004 1:40 PM
To: CIVOASD-PA
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Subject: RE: CONFERENCE CALL Monday 9-27-04
OK on participation.
Very coolon the first air attache thing.
Do you have any hit times for next week. if so, send them. I'll tune in from here.
Program Specialist
Office of the Secretailof Derr7Se
Public Affairs (Room~1if,)NJii:iH:;~
Telephone:''';'
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From: Rick Francona [mallto:francona
Sent: Friday, Seetember 24, 200412:06 PM
To: K~jkWbr;<F;:,<km;:»J av OASD-PA
, Subject: Re: CONFERENCE CALL Monday 9·27·04
I will be at MSNBC that week, and will try to participate. FYI, I was the first air attache in DamClscus
(1992-1995).
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Rick
See invite below. Please let me know if you will participate. Thank you.
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MEMORANDUM
From: Colonel Archie Davis

Director, Community Relations and Public Affairs
Office of the Secreta ry of Defense
Date: 09·24-04
We invite you to participate in a conference call, Monday, September 27,

2004 from 10:00 AM to 10:30 AM est.
Topics to be discussed are: Update on Syria
Participants in this conference call will be Mr. Peter Rodman, Assistant

Secretary of Defense, International Security Affairs. Your host forthis
call will be Colonel Archie Davis.
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How We Won in Afghanistan
By Thomas Mcinerney and Paul Vallely
While it's no surprise that John Kerry and John Edwards harshly
criticize President Bush's Iraq policy, their new claim about the war on
Islamist terrorism-the campaign in Afghanistan, Operation Enduring
Freedom, was a failure because it failed to kill or capture of Osama bin
Laden-is baffling.
Calling the Afghan campaign a failure is puzzling because, by every

meaningful measure, it was a resounding success. A combined force of anti
Taliban Afghans, U.S. special operations forces, carrier- and land-based U.S.
airpower, and more conventional Army and Marine units quickly liberated
Afghanistan. On October 7, 2001 when American air strikes began, the
Taliban and its ally al-Qaeda controlled 90% of Afghanistan. Two months
later, they had been driven out of every major city and were fleeing for the
Afghanistan-Pakistan border, relentlessly pursued by U.S. airpower, U.S.
Marines, and u.S.-assisted mtljahadeen.
Most of the credit rightly belongs to the men and women of the U.S.
armed forces and the brave Afghan fighters who took the fight to the Taliban
and al-Qaeda. A good measure of it, however, belongs to President Bush.
The initial plan for the Afghan campaign called for a months-long build-up
ofa force of three Anny divisions and then a conventional offensive in the
spring of 2002. Determined to take immediate action, President Bush
demanded a different course of action. The result was a campaign that
produced a swift and decisive victory and refuted predictions of a quagmire
in Afghanistan.
To be sure, Operation Enduring Freedom had its problems. The air

campaign's initial pace was desultory and its initial direction was against
fixed targets rather than enemy forces in the field. Central Command often
refused to delegate decisions about using airpower, disrupting the Air
Force's "time-critical targeting" and leading to some missed opportunities,
including a couple to kill the Taliban's leader, Mullah Gmar. By exercising
command from his stateside headquarters, General Tommy Franks denied
himself the "feel" for events on the ground that is a necessary element of
successful command. But that said, it worked.
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As vexing as they were, these problems were not of President Bush's

making. The air campaign '5 initially slow pace stemmed in large part from
the fact that the United States had (and has) too few aerial refueling aircraft.
Most of the campaign's other shortcomings can be put down to the drastic
shift from peace to war that occurred in September 200 I-a shift even more
sudden and profound than that which occurred in December 1941.-and one
of war's irrefutable laws: nothing goes exactly as planned.
Senator Kerry correctly states that, in Tora Bora, Central Command

did not use U.S. conventional forces to "close the back door" on the ,
remnants of the Taliban and al-Qaeda-that might have included Osama bin
Laden-trying to get into Pakistan. But he is wrong to claim that the fighting
was "outsourced" to Afghan warlords. Quite simply and quite
understandably, General Franks applied the formula that had been successful
during the previous eight weeks: Afghan fighters backed by U.S. special
operations forces and supported by u.s. airpower. Despite the fact that
Osama bin Laden and other "big fish" were not netted, hundreds ofTaJiban
and al-Qaeda fighters were killed. Moreover, the battles in Tora Bora did not
mark the end of the military campaign against the Taliban and al-Qaeda.
Launched in March 2002, Operation Anaconda was a bold winter offensive
against enemy enclaves, conducted by coalition units that included the lOIl1
Mountain Division and the 10 l't Airborne Division.
Operation Enduring Freedom smashed the Taliban, routed al-Qaeda,

and put their leaders on the run. It strengthened the hand of Pakistan's
President Musharraf whose domestic campaign against al-Qaeda has killed
or captured many of its leaders-including the mastennind of the 9/11
attacks, Khalid Sheik Mohammed. It put other Islamist terrorists on notice
about American strength and resolve and the American military's enormous
power and global reach. Finally, it taught the U.S. military many lessons
lessons that, to his great credit, General Franks applied with stunning results
to the planning and execution of the Iraq campaign.
This past weekend's presidential election in Afghanistan in which

millions of people, including women, voted demonstrates that, while there is
a lot of work to do, Afghanistan is a much better place now than it was three
years ago-and that freedom can put down roots anywhere in the world.
Those who liberated Afghanistan from despots and terrorists, therefore,
deserve praise-not snide second-guessing almost three years after the fact.
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Lt. Gen. Mclnerney and Maj. Gen. Vallely, retiredjrom the u.s. Air Force
and Army. respectively, are military analysts for Fox News and co-authors
o/Endgame: The Blueprint for Victory in the War on Terror (Regnery,
2004).
4/14/089:28 AM
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Subject: spam: CSIS Highlights Public Opinion in Iraq JAN-JUN 04
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 13:35:0 -
From: Chuck Nash <nashet
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CSIS Highlights Public Opinion in Iraq

Anthony Cordesman (via Paul Berenson)
18 September 2004
The attached report by my colleagues Rick Barton and Sheba Crocker provides a new assessment
of developments in Iraq, and attempts to measure progress in each critical area. It also summarizes
the results of extensive on the scene interviews and some 16 public.QJ?inioo polls. The assessment.
of progress is not reassuring, but the report also notes that Iraqis remain optimistic and that the
situation is anything but hopeless. From a military point of view, two things are striking: Polls showing
that Iraqi security forces have increased in popular confidence and support. in spite of their mixed
performance in the recent righting, and the growing level of broad popular hostility to US and
Coalition forces:
Attitudes Towards Iraqi Security and Pollee Forces
IIACSS: How much confidence do you have in the [new) Iraqi police] to improve the situation in Iraq?
Jan. '04 Apr.-May·04 May '04
Great Deal 44.80% 47.90% 47.30%
Fair Amount 35.00% 29.60% 28.70%
Not Very Much 6.70% 8.60% 5.70%
None at All 11.00%. 11.20% 15.80%
IIACSS. Department of State, CPA, "National Poll of Iraq." Iraqi Perception 34 See Saban Center for Middle East Policy,
Brookings Institution, "Iraq Index: Tracking Reconstruction and Security in Post- Saddam Iraq," August 30,2004; Daniel
Cooney and Omar Sinan, "Morgue Records Show 5,500 Iraqis Killed," Associated Press, May 24,2004. 26 Progress or
Peril? Measuring Iraq's Reconstruction CSIS Post-Conflict Reconstruction Project
Oxford: How much confidence do you have in the [new Iraqi police]?
Oct.-Nov. '03 Feb. '04· Mar.-Apr, '04 Jun. '04
Great Deal 19.70% 2 7.60% 33.00% 35%
Quite a Lot 30.60% 43.30% 39.20% 39%
Not Very Much 33.40% 20.60% 17.60% 20%
None at All 16.30% 8.50% 10.20% 7%
Oxford Research International, 'National Survey of Iraq."
Attidues Towards Iraqi Army Forces
IIACSS: How much confidence do you have in the [new Iraqi army] to improve the situation in Ir~q?
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Jan. '04 Apr.~May '04 . May '04

Great Deal 34.70% 36.50% 32.90%
Fair Amount 28.40% 25.00% 28.50%
Not Very Much 9.70% 9.90% 8.60%
None at All 17.20% '17.80% 20.10%
IIACSS. Department of State. CPA. "National Poll of Iraq.
Oxford: How much confidence do you have in the [new Iraqi army]? '
Oct.-Nov. '03 Feb. '04 Mar.~Apr. '04 Jun. '04
Great Deal 16.00% 19.70% 24.40% 24%
Quite a Lot 30. 10% 42.20% 46.70% 50%
Not Very Much 34.30% 27.50% 17.10% 20%
None at All 19.50% 10.70% 11.80% 6% .
Oxford Research International, "National Survey of Iraq:
Attitudes Towards US and Coalition Forces
Oxford: How much confidence do you have in the [U.S. and UK occupation forces]?
Oct.~Nov. '03 Feb. '04 Mar.-Apr. '04 Jun. '04
Great Deal 7.60% 8.70% 7.00% 6%
Quite a Lot 13.60% 19.00% 18.40% 14%
Not Very Much 22.20% 25.60%22.30% 30%
None at All 56.60% 46.80% 52.30% 51%
Oxford Research International. "National Survey of Iraq."
IIACSS: How much confidence do you have in [Coalition forces] to improve the situation in Iraq?
Jan. '04 Apr.-May '04 May'04
Great Deal 11.60% 2.60% 1.50%
Fair Amount 16.70% 4.40% 8.20%
Not Very Much 13.70% 4.70% 6.10%
None at All 53.30% 83,50% 80.60%
IIACSS. Department of State, CPA, "National Poll of Iraq."
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Sent: Tue13dCly,~~pt~m.ber 14,2004 5:16 PM
To: ~9?~~la:;L:.:/Vj;){i/n;iiX:1 OASD· PA'
Subject: RE: DoD Talking Points· DepSec RAND remarks on terrorism
Thanks some of us just get frustrated with the message coming out of Washington.
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Subject: RE: 000 Talking Points - DepSec RAND remarks on terrorism
Sir:
Thank you for the feedback on the Talking Points. I appreci~te your insight.
I am not sure which of the DepSec's speechwriters penned these remarks. but I will forward
your comments for them to review too.
Thanks again •.
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From: Paul Vallely [mailto:paulvallely~¥~N000Y~BB(0000f0N
Sent· t er 14 2004 2:56 PM
To:
Cc: ' CIV OASD-PA'; 'Thomas McInerney'
subje8f: ~ng Points' - DepSec RAND remarks on terrorism
Reference # 1. We need to atop saying this is going to be a long war ... , ...
We need a Blueprint for Victory for a shorter term effort; We do not need to drag this War
on Terror out. It is not fair to the American people and the world. Let's get aggressive
snd deal with the nation states that continue to support international terrois. See the
book, "Endgame" for answers. Flawed principle!!! War wall be conducted swiftly, decisevely
and with finality.
That is what the Army and DOD need to articulate. I have mentioned this to Sec Wolfowitz
before.; Sends a message of weakness from the only superpower in the world.
# 2 ///Also, forget the "softer ones" regarding the War on Terror". Again, soft reflects
weakness. Who is writing this nOnsense for the Sec Wolfowitz.
Let's get tough and stay tough until we win. Soft sounds like Kerry on a more sensitive
war, .
This talk must be revised to send the right message and a much stronger one.
My thoughts for what they are worth .
From: Military-Analysts List [mailto:MILITARY-ANALYSTS-L@DTIC.MILJ On Behalf Of
OASD-PA
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To: MILITARY-ANALYSTS-L@DTIC.MIL
Subject: DoD Talking Points - DepSec RAND remarks on terrorism
Attached please find today's Talking Points from the Department of Defense Office of
Public Affairs.
c<TP 09-14-04 Depsec RAND Speech. doc»

Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz addressed the RAND Conference on Terrorism in
washingr.on last:: week. The t::opic was "A strategic Approach to t::he Challenge of Terrorism."
Following are highlights of his remarks .(full text).
<http;//www.defenselink.mil/speeches/2004/sp2004090B-depsecdef0721.html>
. Four basic principles must guide the United States in its strategy
to combat terrorist fanaticism:
(1) Recognize the struggle will belong. The United States will
win, but the victory will probably not be marked by an event as dramatic as the signing
aboard the USS Missouri or the collapse of the Berlin wall.
(2) The United States must use all the instruments of national
power, including military force, but not solely or even primarily military force.
Different elements of national power, including the "softer" ones, reinforce each other.
(3) The struggle will be waged in multiple "theaters,'" including
the United States. Americans cannot ignore any of the theaters. Efforts must be sequenced
so energies are focused in the right places at the right times.
(4) The struggle is both physical and ideological. There must be
a vision of life, hope and freedom to counter the terrorists' vision of tyranny, death and
despair.
.. One lesson of September 11th is that the United States can no longer
continue to live with terrorism as an evil but inescapable fact of international life.
.. While every individual terrorist threat cannot be

eliminated, the United States can hope to eliminate global terrorist networks and end
state sponsorship of terrorism.
.. Americans must be patient: A problem that grew up in 20 or
30 years is not going away in two or three.
* The same values that held the Allies together for four
decades of often contentious debates have brought more than so countries into the larger
Coalition in the Global War on Terror.
.. A longing for freedom penetrated the Iron Curtain
and brought about the peaceful end to the Cold War. Today, the same universal desire for
liberty is the strongest weapon to fight fanaticism.
. Combating terroriSm involves many and varied fronts .
.. Efforts must be sequenced in a way that makes sense - what
happens in one theater impacts others. Success in one theater can provide a platform tor
success in others.
.. Success in Afghanistan has deprived al Oaeda of a
sanctuary there, supported President Musharraf's position as a friend of the United
States, and driven al Oaeda terrorists into Pakistan, where it has been possible to
capture them.
.. The capture of terrorist operatives in Pakistan has
led to arre~ts of key associates in places as distant as London and Chicago, and provided
new information about terrorists' plans. .
* The Saudis have killed or captured more than 600 al
Oaeda associates. Their counter-terrorist efforts have benefited from the ability of the
United States to remove the threat of Saddam as well as the burden of supporting a large
military presence on Saudi territory, which was made possible by the liberation of Iraq.
* Afghanistan and Iraq are the two central fronts in the Global War on
Terror for U.S. military forces.
* Fifty million people in A~ghanistan and Iraq have been freed
from brutal tyranny.
* Afghanistan and Iraq are on their way to becoming America's
newest allies in the fight for freedom.
.. Both countries are moving toward self-government.
.. The success of democracy in both countries will represent a .
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major defeat for terrorists, including assoCiates of al Qaeda.
* Victory in the Global War on Terror requires sowing seeds of hope

and the appeal of freedom, particularly in the Middle East.
e~panding
* Winning in Afghanistan and Iraq is imperative, but these
victories are only part of the larger Global War on Terror.
* As democracy grows in the Middle East, it will become easier
for peacemakers to succeed throughout the region.
• As ~resident Bush said in a speech in November marking the
20th anniversary of the National Endowment for Democracy; the United States must work with
its partners in the greater Middle East and around the world to promote tolerance, the
rule of law, political and economic openness and the extension of greater opportunities so
that all people can realize their full potential.
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From:· ~IJ:('i:;i~iMi;i"'rJiiM,:",i;:@p,V OASD-PA
Sent: urs ay, eplember 09,200410:42 AM
To: 'Tim Eads'
SUbject: RE: Follow-up· Meeting with SeeDef of 9-8-04
I have forwarded your questions to one [m%mMDi?'",::,:,:" i?:tf i;i:1 or the Navy. She is responsible tor
this type of thing. I did let them know you had a Sun night appearance on Fox and asked
them to reply to you prior to that.
Let me know if nothing is forthcoming.
If you don't mind, I also asked them to copy me in on the answers. I'd like to share them
with the rest of the participants.
of 9-8-04
I just have a couple of questions.
1: When the tribunal finds that a person is not an enemy combatant what happens to him?
Is he still held in captivity? If so why? Where is he returned to-where he was picked up
or his home country?
2: Would that person be compensated by the USG for the time he was denied his freedom?
3; Does the person have any cause of action against the USG?
4: Does the person have any cause of action against the individuals who captured him and
caused him to be sent him to Gitmo.
5: Is the USG going to formally apologize to the person.
6: When the USG decides that a person has been wrongly imprisoned. what is the internal
process that happens to look and the mistakes that were made in putt{ng the guy in jail.
7: Secretary England said yesterday that in this case there is a possibility that new
information arrived of the 2 1/2 years that proved the person was not an enemy combatant.
How often will each prisoner be given a review? Surely not just once. What happens if new
evidence comes in the day after the prisoner.finishes his review? Does he have to wait
another year for the USGto decide that he was innocent.
8: Finally, (and this is the question I get asked the most often) why does the government
have lawyers looking at these cases and "helping"
the tribunal but the prisoner are not allowed to have a lawyer?
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I hope these are clear enough. Let me know it you need anYmore details.
Right now it looks like I will be on Sunday night at 10 to' discuss but that may change. I
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Thanks
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Blackbird Technologies Inc. I
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Tin - I do appreciate the time you took to write this. I
The Abell briefing was added at the last minute II know why: still don't
to be and had I
squeezed in. Others lost time off their presentation because of I
it. This definitely creates a problem as it relates to Q & A time. I
don't work with the briefers directly thus don't have much input on their presentations I
but I will pass along the comments all written. I
I Please pass along your questions for Secretary England 1n a separate email. l
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I will get them to the right person for you. I
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I very good session toda.y. If I had one criticism in would be Charlie Abell's brief. I am
not sure What he was saying that would be useful for us as we appear on TV. I think all I
I of us assume that DOD (no matter from what administration) does everything humanely I
possible to allow its personnel to vote. From my stand point, I get the most out of these
I sessions where the briefer leaves time for questions at the end.
A couple of the briefers I
I did not do this. I do not know what kind of guidance you give chem before these sessions I
but 1 would recommend that they be told to allow at least 1/3 of the time for questions.
I Of course, it is incumbent on us military analysis to get with our counterparts and make I
I sure we stay on point. 1 will talk to ~ndy Messing ar.d make sure tnat he understands that I
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these are not marketing opportunities.
In reference to Secretary Eng~and'5 presentation, I have a number of questions and was

wondering if there was someone I can contact to get some more details. If you would
prefer, I will give you the questions and you can get back to me. I believe that Fox is
going to try and run something this weekend (assuming that it is becomes a story}.
Thanks
Tim
Timur J. Eads
Blackbird Technologies Inc.
13900 Lincoln Park Dr.
Suite 400
Herndon, Va. 2017

Office:
Cell :
Pale ;
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OASD-PA·
LTC. OASD-PA; Sarber, Allison, CIV. OASD-PA
- Meeting with seeDef of 9-8-04
Gentlemen;
On behalf of Allison Barber, T'd like to thank you for taking time out of your busy
sctedule to attend the meeting tociay with the Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld,
Chairman Myers and .the other briefers.
We are asking that you take a moment to answer the following questions for us so that we
can better plan in the future for our Outreach seosions.
1) Were the briefings informational?
2) Were ~he br!efing5 ~imed properly?
3) How mignt we make the sessions more productive?
Thanks in advance.
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From:· IVOASD-PA
Sent: er 09, 2004 10:41 AM
To: IcerAAUSN
Cc: CAPT SECNAV PA
SUbject: FW: Follow-up - Meeting with SecDef of 9-8-04
,-~~ . "
Hi rm(~:k\X;;'1 your name has been given 1:0 me as the cqntact person for questions such as are
listed below. Secretary England spoke 1:0 che Retired Military Analysts yesterday (Wed
Sept B) at noon, and they indicated they had additional questions for him.
His email
r~et:~~;i~~~W8%i~~~~~~~~~~lliirdS'us Army, Retired His cell phone is
He indicates at end of email that he will be on Fox sunday night to discuss, Would it be
possible to reply before his appearance?
Please copy me on all responses. so I can share them with the other Analysts that attended
the meeting.
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To:
Sub) with SecDef of 9-8-04
I just have a couple of questions.
1: When the tribunal finds that a person is not an enemy combatant what· happens to him?
Is he still held in captivity? If so why? Where is he returned to-where he was picked up
or h~s home country?
2: Would that person be compensated by the USG for the time he was denied his freedom?
3: Does the person have any cause of action against the USG?
4: Does the person have any cause of action against the individuals who captured him and
caused him to be sent him to Gitmo.
5: Is the USG going to :ormally apologize to the person.
6, When the 'USG decides that a person has been wrongly imprisoned, what is che internal
process that happens to look and the mistakes that were made in putting the guy in jail.
7: Secretary England said yesterday that in this case there is a possibility that new
information arrived of the 2 l/Z years that proved the person was not an enemy combatant.
How often will each prisoner be given _ r~view7 Surely not jUG~ once. Wha~ happens if new
evidence comes in the day after the prisoner finishes his review? Does he have to wait
another year for the USG to decide that he was innocen~.
8: Finally, (and this is the question I get asked the most often) why does the government
have lawyers looking at these cases and "helping"
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I
I
the tribunal but the prisoner are not allowed to have a lawyer? I
I
I hope these are clear enough. Let me know if you need anymore details.
Right new it looks like! will be on Sunday night at 10 to discuss but that may change. I
,
Thanks I
Tim I
I
Timur J. Eads I
Blackbird Technologies Inc. I
13900 Lincoin Park Dr. I
Suite 400
Herndon,
Office:
I
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Fax: I
teads
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From, I
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:12 AM I
To: Tim Eads
Subject: RE: Follow-up ~ Meeting with SeeDef of 9-8-04 I
I
Tim - I do appreciate the time you took to write this. I
~he Abell briefing was added at the last minute (I still don't know why) and had to be !
squeeted in. O~hers lost time off their presentation because of
it. This definitely creates a problem as it relates to Q & A time. I
don't work with the briefero directly thus don't have much input on their presentations
but I will pass along the comments as. written.
I Please pass along your questions for Secretary England in a separa~e email.
I will get them to the right person for you.
I
I Have a great day.
I
I
I n%~l:'>:dn::jC<;;:':;.;;:.;.\;••;;.•. . . . i.i} ;1
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SUbject: RE: Follow-up - Meeting with seeDef of 9-8-04
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Very good session today. If I had one criticism in would be Charlie Abell's brief. I am
I not sure what he was saying that would be useful for us as we appear on TV. I think all
I of us a~~ume that DOD (no matter from what administration) doe~ everything humanely
possible to allow its personnel to vote. From my stand point, I get the most out of these
sessions where the briefer leaves time for questions at the end. A couple of the briefers
did not do this. I do not know what kind of guidance you give them before these sessions
but I would recommend ~hat they be told to allow at least 1/3 of the time for questions.
Of course, it is incumbent on us military analysis to get with our counterparts and make
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sure we stay on point. I wi12 talk to Andy Messing and make sure that he understands that
·these are not marketing opportunities.
In re~erence to Secretary England's presentation, I have a number of questions and was

wondering if there was someone I can contact to get some more details. If you would
prefer, I will give you the questions and you can get hack to me. 1 believe that Fox is
going to try and run something this weekend (assuming that it is becomes a story).
Thanks
Tim
~' .~.
Tirnur J. Eads
Suite 400
Herndon, Va. 20171
Office: ~=m~
Cell;
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crv OASD-J;lA
, OASD-PAi Barber, Allison, CIV, OASD-PA
Meeting with SecDef of 9-B-04
Gentlemen:
On behalf of Allison Barber, I'd like to thank you for taking time out of your busy
schedule to attend the meeting today with the Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld,
Chairman Myero and the other briefers.
We are asking that you take a moment to answer the following· questions for us so that we
can better plan in the future for our Outreach sessions.
1) Were the briefings informational?
2) were the briefings timed properly?
3) How might we make the sessions more productive?
Thanks in advance.
Program Specialist
Office of the Secret
Public Affaiz;
Telephone:
Fax:
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From: . Paul Vallely [paUIValleIY<t~lf!i;:j;:';i;;;i~~';l;jl

Sent: TueSda~ Se~tember 07. 42:13.
To: m!.~f(:'b);8)it!,!t;}X{(1CIV OASD~PA
SUbject: RE: Emailing: va/lerypaul
Paul E Vallely
from:
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:44 AM .
To: 'Paul Vallely'
Subject: RE: Emailing: vallelypaul
Yes, THey are my agent for speaking engagements.
Paul, is this a speakers bureau and are you now a nlember of this?
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Paul E. Vallely
The senior military analyst for FOX News Channel and guest on many nationally syndicated radio talk
shows, Paul E. Vallely retired in 1991 from the U.S. Army as Deputy Commanding General, U.S.
Army, and Pacific in Honolulu, Hawaii. He .served a distinguishing career in the Army, serving in m~ny
overseas theaters including Europe and the Pacific Rim Countries as well as two combat tours in
Vietnam. He has served on U.S. security assistance missions on civilian-military relations to Europe,
Japan, Korea, Thailand, Indonesia and Central America with in-country experience in Indonesia,
Columbia, EI Salvador, Panama, Honduras and Guatemala.
Biography
Paul E. Vallely was born in DuBois, Pa. He retired in 1991 from the US Army as Deputy Commanding
General. US Army, Pacific in Honolulu, Hawaii. General Vallely graduated from the US Military
Academy at West Point and was commissioned in the Army in 1961 serving a distinguishing career
of 32 years in the Army. He served in many overseas theaters to include Europe and the Pacific Rim
Countries as well as two combat tours in Vietnam. He has served on us security assistance missions
on civilian-military relations to Europe, Japan. Korea, Thailand, Indonesia and Central America with
in-country experience in Indonesia, Columbia, EI Salvador. Panama, Honduras and Guatemala.
General Vallely is a graduate of the Infantry School, Ranger and Airborne Schools. Jumpmaster
School, the Command and General Staff School, The Industrial College of the Armed Forces and the
Army War College: His combat service in Vietnam included positioflS as infantry company
commander, intelligence officer, operations officer, military advisor and aide-de~camp. He has over
fifteen (15) years experience in Special Operations, Psychological and Civil-Military Operations.
He was ane of the first nominees for Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations under
President Reagan. From 1982-1986, he commanded the 351st Civil Affairs Command that included
aU Special Forces, Psychological Warfare and Civil Military units in the Western United States and
Hawaii. He was the first President of the National Psychological Operations Association. His units
participated in worldwide missions in Europe, Africa, Central America, Japan, Solomon Islands,
.Guam, Belgium, Korea and Thailand. He has served as a consultant to the Commanding General of
the Special Operations Command as well as the DOD Anti-Drug and Counter ~Terrorist Task Forces.
He also designed and developed the Host-Nation Support Program in the Pacific for DOD and the
State Department. Most recently, he has in-country security assistance - experience in EI Salvador,
Columbia and Indonesia in the development of civil-military relations interfacing with senior level
military and civilian leadership. .
General Vallely is a' military analyst for FOX News Channel and is a guest on many nationally
syndicated radio talk shows. He is also a guest lecturer on the War an Terror. He is the Military
Committee Chairman for the Center for Security Policy in Washington, DC. He has just co-authored a
book entitled Endgame - Blueprint for Victory for Winning the War on Terror.
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RECRUITED BY THE CIA IN 1973
RECRUITED BY THE CIA WHILE IN THE U.S. NAVY
WAYNE SIMMONS BECAME PART OF A SPECIAL OPERATIONS GROUP THAT WAS NOT ONLY PREPARED TO
DIE FOR AMERICA, BUT WHILE CONDUCTING INTEL OPS. WERE PREPARED TO BE ARRESTED, GO TO JAIL
AND SIT IN JAIL UNTIL REMOVED BY THEIR CONTROLLERS
FOR 8 OF HIS 27 YEARS IN THE INTELLIGENCE BUSINESS, WAYNE SIMMONS. ATE SLEPT ANDORANK WITH
NARCO·TERRORISTS AND SMUGGLERS WHILE HELPING TO CONDUCT SOME OF HIS NATIONS MOST
IMPORTANT ANTI-DRUG, INTELLIGENCE GATHERING EFFORTS ON BEHALF OF THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE
AGENCY.
SIMMONS HARSHLY CRITICIZES THOSE WHO UNFAIRLY ATIACK THE CIA AND BELIEVES THAT 99.99% OF THE
MEN AND WOMEN EMPLOYEDBYTHE CIA AND ALL OF THE U.S. INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES, ARE THE VERY
r:INEST. MOST MORAL, UPSTANDING, PATRIOTIC PEOPLE ON EARTH. SACRIFICING DAILY TO PROTECT THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE.
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RECRUITED BY THE CIA IN 1973 WHILE IN THE U.S. NAVY, WAYNE SIMMONS BECAME PART OF A SPECIAL
oPERATIONS GROUP THAT WAS NOT ONLY PREPARED TO DI~ FOR AMERICA, BUT WHILE CONDUCTING
INTEL OPS, WERE PREPARED TO BE ARRESTED, GO TO JAIL AND SIT IN JAIL UNTIL REMOVED BY THEIR
CONTROLLERS. THEY WERE PREPARED TO GO ANYWHERE AND DO VIRTUALLY ANYTHING WHEN ORDERED.
HE SPENT HIS CAREER IN THE CARfB6EAN~ EUROPE. THE FAR EAST AND CENTRAL ASIA WORKING AGAINST,
NARCO·TERRORISTS, ARMS SMUGGLERS, COUNTERFEITERS, CYBER·TERRORISTS AND INDUSTRIAL AND
ECONOMIC ESPIONAGE. HE SPEARHEADED DEEP COVER INTEL OPS AGAINST SOME OF THE WORLD'S MOST
DANGEROUS DRUG CARTELS FROM CENTRAL AND SOOTH AMERICA AND THE MIDDLE EAST.
FOR a OF HIS 27 YEARS IN THE INTELLIGENCE BUSINESS, WAYNE SIMMONS, ATE SLEPT AND DRANK WITH
NARCO-TERRORISTS AND SMUGGLERS WHILE HELPING TO CONDUCT SOME OF HIS NATIONS MOST
IMPORTANT ANTI-DRUG, INTELLIGENCE GATHERING EFFORTS ON BEHALF OF THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE
AGENCY. HIS DEEP COVER INTELLIGENCE OPERATIONS HELPED LEAD. TO THE SEIZURES OF MARIJUANA,
COCAINE AND HEROIN WITHA COMBINED VALUE OF OVER $1 BILLION DOLLARS.
SIMMONS IS RIVETING WITH HIS SIMPLE MESSAGE: STOP RESTRICTING THE ABILITY OF THE CIA AND OTHER
U.S. INTELUGENCE AGENCIES TO OPERATE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES, OR FACE THE
CATASTROPHIC CONSEQUENCES OF TERRORISM.
SIMMONS HARSHLY CRITICIZES THOSE WHO UNFAIRLY ATTACK THE CIA AND BELIEVES THAT 99.99% OF THE
MEN AND WOMEN EMPLOYED BY THE CIA AND ALL OF THE U.S. INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES, ARE THE veRY
FINEST, MOST MORAL, UPSTANDING, PATRIOTIC PEOPLE ON EARTH. SACRIFICING OAlLY TO PROTECT THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE
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ThiS Op Ed will be published in the Wall Street Journal on Thursday 912/1/11111 This is an advanced copy for your reading.
By Thomas Mcinerney
And Paul Vallely
As thankful as we are that Moqtada al-Sadr's rebellion did not end in a bloody and destructive battle for the Imam
Ali Grand Mosque in Najaf, our gratitUde is tempered by the realization this rebellion was not an isolated event. Like ai
Sadr himself, the mosque was created by Iran and was only part of Iran's latest effort to destabilize Iraq and achieve
strategic dominance in the Middle East and Central Asia.
The Islamic republic's strategiC ambitions and ils prominence in global terror are nothing new. Almost immediately
after the mUllahs took over Iran, they began exporting their orand of lslamist revolution. In the Levant, they established the
terrorist organization Hezbollah, which now controls southern Lebanon, and, over time. turned Syria and the Palestinian
Authority into clients Iranian-directed suicide bombs killed hundreds of Western peacekeepers in Lebanon in 1963 and the
United States foughl an undeclared naval war against Iran in the late 1980s.
Despite the hopes of many governments, the widespread popUlar unrest and intemal power struggles of Ihe lale
199D8 did not result in a more democratic, less aggressive Iran. Instead, the mullahs have dropped their masks-and taken
off their gloves. In the past year. they purged reformists from the Iranian parliament and intensifIed suppression of intemal
dissent, knocking the wind out orthe domestic opposition. They dropped any pretense Of adhering to the Nuclear Non·
Proliferation Treaty-issuing C1poc:alyptic warnings about the revenge they would exact Should Israel attack Iran's nuclear
facilities-and accelerated their ballistic missile program. Iran is as close as ever to Syria and Palestinian terrorist groups,
such as Hamas. Now, Israeli Intelligence sources tell us, Iran is preparing Its Palestinian proxies to seize power when
Yassir Arafa!'s regime collaps.es,
In Iraq, Iran alms to replicate its successes in Lebanon. Since Iraq's liberation, Iran has provided weapons. money,
and trained personnel to militant Shia groups-including al·Sadr's-with the apparent goal of establishing an Iraqi version of
Hezbollah. that, in time. would establish de facto Iranian conlrol over Shia Iraq. Despite his setback in Najaf, therefore, al·
Sadr almost certainly will continue to do his masters' bidding.
Iran already enjoys-and exploits-an excellent gec-strategic position and immense oil wealth. If in a few years, Iran
possesses nuclear weapons and exerts de facto control over more strategically lmportanl terrilory and ellen more energy
resources, it is likely to flex Its muscles in the Gulf States, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.
It is imperative, therefore, Ihat we immediately and forcefully check Iran, inside and outside of Iraq. The Iraqi
interim government should immediately break relations with Tehran, citing Iran's support of anti-government subversion,
and secure Its borders against Iranian Infiltration. The Iranians cynically use religious pilgrimages to move men, materiel.
and money into Iraq; therefore, until its security situation improves. Iraq must deny entry to Iranian pilgrims. Iraqi security
forces must be strengthened and, if necessary, U.S,. forces within Iraq should be repositioned to support them.
Experience in Iraq shows we cannot rely on the United Nations to end Iran's nuclear ambitions. So, although it
again would bring us into conflict with Russia, Germany, and France, the U.S. must form a global coalition to dO so. After
dedaring a nuclear-armed Iran would pose an intolerable danger to global security and stability, members of this coalition
would take the steps necessary to force Tehran to abandon its purSUit of nuclear weapons-up to and including a complete
and total economic embargo with a strict naval blockade.
Ofcourse, the best way to end the threat posed by Iran is end the mullahs' rule of Iran. To that end, the U.S. and
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other countries also must revive democratic opposition groups in Iran through both. o\lert aid and covert support. We also I
I should create the nucleus of an armed resistance movement by removing the Iranian exile group, the Mujahedeen-e·l<halq ,
from the State Department's list of terrorist organizations. That group is "the most organized, disciplined, and popular
I opposition movement in Iran," according to Iranian expert A!ireza Jafarzadeh. It's time to rearm its 4,000 trained fighters.
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I We understand these suggestions will strike some as too strong. Considering,however, that Iran is poised to make
a play for regional dominance, our countermove must be the strongest we have ever made in our 25-year cold war with I
I Iran. Iraq's success is dependent on it.
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Fox News and co-authors of "Endgame: The Bluepr'lnt for Victory in the War on Terror" (Regnery, 2004). I
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I'm planning a trip to Iraq in late September. One of the things ltd like to do is meet up
with General Patreus and give him some GOOD coverage with Fox.
Could you point me to the right DoD person to facilitate my meeting with him?
Thanks much.
Resp'Yt
Bill
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By Peter Brookes
August i3, 2004 - SUNDAY is a red-letter day for democracy and for the price of oil: Vene
zuelans vote on a referendum on whether to recall President Hugo Chavez.
Long a friend ofthe United States and since 1958 one of Latin America's most stable
democracies, Venezuela stands at a crossroads, headed for either democracy or Cuban-style
socialism.
Elected fair and square in 1998, Chavez took office with sky-high popularity on a refonn
platform. But he has since donned the cloak of political strongman, run the economy into the
ground and helped roil world oil markets. Plus, he's a good buddy of Cuba's Fidel Castro.
"Dictator" isn't used very'often to describe Latin American leaders anymore - beyond Castro,
that is. But Chavez, a cashiered army colonel who was once jailed for his leading role in a 1992
military coup, could make it two.
Though now highly unpopular (30 percent approval), Chavez may well survive the no
confidence vote. Polling is expected to be rife with voter intimidation, fraud and other voting
irregularities.
Certainly, his record to date makes that chicanery seem likely. He has already rewritten the
Constitution to give himself more power, sucked, up power over the state oil company
(PDVSA) and stacked lower and Supreme Court(s).
Hers also made a good start on purging the anned forces, misusing them for partisan political
purposes and social programs. Threats to freedom of the press include physical attacks on
journalists.
The fractious opposition has mostly been peaceful - though a botched, bloodless coup nearly
toppled Chavez two years ago. But his misrule has pushed political and class tensions to such a
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.fever pitch that some fear civil war.
E1 Presidente has also made a shambles of Venezuela's already impoverished economy. Per
capita income has dropped 25 percent since 1998, propelling the economy backward to the
1950s. Inflation is running at a household budget-busting 30 percent, unemployment hovers at
18 percent and 33 percent live in extreme poverty despite massive social programs.
And that's had worldwide repercussions, because Venezuela is a major oil-producing nation
the world's fifth-largest, with one of the biggest energy reserves outside the Middle East. It
provides 15 percent of U.S. oil needs, making it one of our top four oil suppliers (after Canada,
Saudi Arabia and Mexico).
Even now, the possibil ity of another Venezuelan oil strike continues to keep the oil market
skittish, helping keep prices at record $45-a-barrel levels.
Adding insult to injury, Chavez has also encouraged OPEC to raise its prices, too. In one of his
anti-American fits of rhetorical rage, El Presidente has even threatened to cut off oil supplies to
the United States. That would certainly he a blow to the U.S. economy (even with this week's
welcome Saudi announcement of increased oil supply.)
But then, Chavez is a big chum of Cuba's communist Cold War-holdover, Fidel Castro. (He's
also been friendly in the past with Iraq's Saddam Hussein and Libya's Moammar Khaddafy.) In
exchange for getting Caracas oil on favorable tenus, Havana is providing doctors and teachers
and military advisers. Venezuela is also knee-deep in Cuban intelligence (DGI) officers.
There's no telling what Castro's political plans for Venezuela might be. Chavez already has
stated his desire to unite Latin America in a Castro-inspired campaign against U.S. policies.
And U.S. officials have expressed concern that Chavez's government is supporting the
Colombian narcoterrorist FARC rebels.
Democracy is under assault. Chavez is a throwback to the military strongmen who once ruled
Venezuela. What Chavez calls his "Bolivarian Revolution" (after Latin American independence
leader Simon Bolivar) is in fact fashioned in part on Castro's Cuban revolution.
Washington has supported the referendum as a democratic solution to Venezuela's political

tunnoil - one that offers the possibility of peaceful regime change. But with Chavez in charge,
it would be shocking if the voting were free and fair.
Unfettered international election monitoring should be a prerequisite, but it's unlikely. Chavez
has insisted on stringent controls over any poll observers. The (Jimmy) Carter Center and
Organization of American States will field teams, but the European Union declined to
participate under these restrictions. (In a hysterical effort to add lIintemational credibility" to
the referendum, Chavez's election monitor invitee list does include Barbra Streisand and
Michael Moore.)
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the global community should withhold Venezuela's international privileges until the democratic
process is honored.
For instance, the United States should encourage the World Bank to suspend al\ loans to the
Venezuelan government. And the OAS should consider suspending Venezuela's membership in
the group.
Latin America has made great strides in embracing freedom and democracy. Today, 22 of 23
Latin American countries are considered to be democratic. (Cuba is the exception.) But some
states, especially those with leftist-leaning leaders and economic problems (such as Ecuador
and Argentina), might folow Venezuela's path. This would be a significant setback for the
hemisphere and its people. ' ' '
The U.S. and the international community should stand shoulder to shoulder in defense of
Venezuela's proud democratic traditions and aspirations. With other Latin American
democracies leading the way, the United States should help ensure that the term Latin
American dictator is relegated to the dustbin of history once and for all.
Peter Brookes, a Heritage Foundation seniorfellow. served in Latin America while on active
duty in the u.s.
Navy.
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represent those of The Heritage Foundation.
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August 5, 2004 -- THE mother lode of int.elligence recently plucked from .111 Qaeda computers I
I in Pakistan shows that we're not dealing only with lethal terrorists, but highly capable
spooks as well. I
I The quality of al Qaeda'S information on targets in New York City and washington, D.C.,
indicates a covert intelligence-collection capability on par with some of the world's best
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I spy services.
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I The FBI estimates that there are as ma.ny as tleveral hundre'd al Qaeda-associated extremists
in the United States. It could be a deadly mistake not to take recent terrorist threats I
I seriously.
Al Qaeda's casing operations were certainly serious. Its operatives collected more than I
I SOO digital photos, documents and drawings. They detailed building layouts, 'security and
construction and pedestrian and vehicular traffic flow. I
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They noted employee routines and watering holes. And they mapped the location of the first
I responders such as hospitals, police and fire departments - all with an eye to killing as
many people as pos~ible. I
I Bottom line: It's top-notch intelligence work that would make any clandestine service I
stand up and take notice.
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Moreover, the intrusive, coordinated, long-running casings went undetected. Working under
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cover as cDuriers and delivery people, al Qaeda operatives were able to observe and enter
I the buildings without alarming security personnel. Recruited terrorist agents may haVe I
even been employees of the targeted facilities, making it a real inside job. (Some of the
I casing notes were in English.) I
Although the information seems to have been collected a few years ago, it's unlikely it
I went only to the computers seized in Pakistan. The smart money says this intelligence was I
shared with others in Terror Land, too.
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Beware; This surveillance information has likely been updated by other al oaeda cells
I since it was first acquired. And it may be tied into the other streams of intelligence
we're receiVing on threats against U.S. targets this oummer.
I
I In raising the t'errDr level to "high," the Department of Homeland Security was spot-on. It I
would be foolish to assume these plots have been canned.
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But where did al Qaeda learn to conduct such thorough sleuthing? Not surprisingly, it had
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help from the usual suspects.
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Iran: The 9/11 Commission fingers Iran as having trained and supported al Qaeda as far
I back as 1992. The Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps and the Ministry of Intelligence and I
security are thick as thieves with international terrorists, providing intelligence,
training, funding and material support.
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Remember the expulsion of Iranian (faux) diplomats for intelligence-collection activities
I last month in New York City? That was the third set of Iranian spies asked to leave ~he I
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U.S. in the last two years tor casing possible terrorist targets. (See New York Post op
ed, "spooks, Lies and videotape," July 6. 2004.) The Iranians might well be sharing this
intel with al Qaeda. I
Hezbollah; The commission also mentions that al Qaeda received training from the Iranian I
backed terrorist group Hezbollah in the early 19905 in Lebanon's terrorist snake pit, the
Bekaa Valley. "Bin Laden showed particular interest in learning how to use truck bombs
such as the one fused by Hezbollah] tha.t killed 241 Marines in Lebanon in 1983." the I
report notes.
The truck bomb technique was later used against the World Trade Center (1993), the
American barracks at Khobar Towers, Saudi Arabia (1996) and the U.S. embassies in Kenya
and Tanzania 11998). I
Hezbollah's bomb training for al Qaeda doubtless inclUded how to successfully pick and.
case a target to ensure the maximum carnage. (Note: There are also Hezbollah operatives in
the U.S. who might be assisting al Qaeda, too.)
Both new and older (but solid) intelligence about al Oaeda plots indicate a perfect
terrorist storm forming over the homeland this Bummer. unfortunately, al Qaeda has gotten I
- and may be still getting - intelligence help from both Hezbollah and Iran. As we look at
intelligence reform here at home, we must realize that the only way we can prevent another
attack is to ensure that our intelligence is better than al Qaed&'s. I
Peter Brookes, a Heritage Foundation senior fellow, is a CIA veteran. E-mail: I
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Not sure if this is possible, but I am going to forward your request to the Pentagon.
Thank you for your service--one vet to another.
All the Best,
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Subject: A trip at sea
i am and Old (76) veteran of WWII (Army) and have always dreamed of
spending some time on a carrier while at sea.
I know several years ago civilians were invited abroad under special
circumstances and I wonder If this is still possible.
, have "newspaper" credentials. Would that get me aboard.
Whom should I write to?
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BUMPY ROAD TO BETTER SECURITY
By PETER BROOKES
July 23,2004 -- NOW thatthe National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
the 9/11 Commission· has reported its findings and recommendations, the dirty, rOIl-up-your
shirtsleeves work begins.
After 1,200 interviews, visits to 10 countries and almost 20 months of study and deliberation, the
commission has offered us prescriptions for preventing the next terrorist attack.
Bui implementing the needed national-security reforms won't be a walk in the park: Egos, cash and
turf are on the line.
Surprisingly, most of the commission's findings weren't earth-shattering. The nearly 600-page report
(9-11 commlssion.gov) offers a broad criticism of both the executive and legislative branches of
government.
Why didn't the federal government prevent 9/11? The report cites failures of imagination, policy,
management and capabilities.
" We used Cold War mindsets and tactics to deal with a post-Cold War enemy.
" Despite as many as 10 identifiable opportunities, our well-intentioned efforts did little to disrupt the
9/11 plot.
.. The 10 commissioners concluded that neither the Clinton or Bush administrations nor Democratic
and Republican-led Congresses understood the gravity of the threat. As evidence, the last National
Intelligence Estimate on Terrorism was done in 1995 (with a minor update in 1997).
The report is also heavy on recommendations. including the establishment of a Cabinet-level director
of National Intelligence and intelligence reform, more vigorous congressional oversight of the
intelligence community (the intel committees are some of the smallest committees in Congress),
strengthening the FBI's counterterrorism capabilities and boosting homeland security.
Despite this smorgasbord of keen ideas, there are still real challenges to implementing any reform:
Too Many Blueprints: Between various blue·ribbon panels and Congress, we now have at least five
different sets of recommendations for improving our national-security establishment. These include:
The Scowcroft Commission on intelligence reform; the Gilmore Commission on the terrorist WMD
threat; the pending intelligence-reform legislation in the House of Representatives; the Senate
Intelligence Committee's Iraqi WMD report, and now the 9/11 Commission.
And, oh. by the way. not all of these agree on the way forward ...
For instance, the Gilmore Commission called for the establishment of a British-style MI-5 domestic
intelligence agency separate from the FBI, while the 9/11 Commission instead supports improving
the bureau's counterintelligence/terrorism apparatus.
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Turf Battles: Any change to the current national security structure is sure to be filled with lots of
kicking and screaming by the agencies involved. No one wants anyone else messing with his rice
bowl, especially if it means a loss of stature or resources.
For instance, seven cabinet secretaries now have intelligence functions within their departments. And
the Defense Department owns seven of 15 intelligence agencies and a full 80 percent of the
intelligence budget. Don't expect anyone to give in to reform without a real fight. (Some stakeholders,
such as Acting Director of Central Intelligence John McLaughlin. are already pushing back on reform
efforts.)
Timing: The last time we reorganized national security was under the 1947 National Security Act,
which birthed both the CIA ('from the Office of Strategic Services) and Department of Defense (from
the Navy and War Departments). It took place after World War II, while the nation was at peace.
Today, we're at war. We have to make sure that any changes to our national security and intelligence
establishment don't undermine our security in any way INhfle the terrorist threat persists.
This may not be easy to do, but it's possible. We did it with the establishment of the Department of
Homeland Security in 2003, bringing together 180,000 employees from 20 organizations.
It also isn't likely to happen this year. Congress has as few as 18 working days left before the
elections, and it's already way behind on next year's spending bills. Unless both chambers reconvene
after Election Day, they won't get much done this year.
It's clear that we need change in how we do national security. But we don't need change for change's
sake. Moving the lines and boxes on an organizational chart to give us a warm and fuzzy feeling
won't enhance our national security. Reform must be well-considered, substantive and timely.
9/11 caused this nation unspeakable pain. But things that hurt can also instruct. Let's just make sure
we're smart enough to leam the right lessons from this tragedy to ensure it never happens again.
Peter Brookes, a Heritage Foundation senior fellow, was on the taxiway at Dulles Airport on a United
flight to San Francisco on the morning of 9/11.
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~~~0s~ Martin Strong (Ret Military Analyst) send me this email and has asked that I cry to
move this information up as far as possible. There is some really good info in this email
plus ..... an offer to help!
Please let me know how you make out. Marty has attended several of our most recent
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One of my security consultants (retired FED force protection officerlsent me the comments
below. The use of retired military as "drafted talent" in the war on terror make some
sense. There may be PR value in developing a volunteer "think tank" of retired military
that can review problems at a different level than DC thinkers.
Take care --- Marty
Over the weekend, I had occasion to sit down with a number of military retirees at the
local air base.
My friend Wade and I have been teaching self-defense to a group of Army Reserve Combat
Engineers who will be heading to Iraq this summer. The sad thing is that these Combat
Engineers will be tasked with MP duties. (???Go Figure???) Wade who is a DOD police
officer informed me of the situation and he asked me if I would assist him in giving these
guys an edge. Therefore, we have been conducting classes for them for the last couple of
months.
Apparently. these Combat Engineers have been assigned to the Air Base Security Police for
cross training in an effort to prepare them for the future assigned duties.
The president of the local military retiree's attended a couple of the classes as an
observer. After the last class, he invited us to the COM for coffee and a bullshit
session.
While we were there, a number of other retirees came over to the table eventually we had
to start pulling tables together as the group became larger.
The major topic of discussion was the War in Iraq. Many of the individuals involved in
the discussion were emotion~l.
As the day progressed, the group started discussing specifics. I brought up the fact th~t
the vehicles were vulnerable to the threat of having grenades etc. thrown into the
passenger compartment. One of the group members was a former mechanic. He said that
that would work in some instances, however, many times the doors of the Hum-V's have to be
~emoved to facilitate exit from the vehicle. Apparently. the door config~ration is not
conducive to a quick dismount.
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Wade brought up the fact that he has not seen any claymores mounted on the vehicles. He
said that when he was in Vietnam SOP was to mount claymoreS on vehicles in case of an
ambush or in the event, it was suspected there was a possi~ility of an ambush. Wade
indicated that this was an effective method of killing the enemy during an ambush or if an
ambush was suspected. clearing the jungle.
One of the older members who wac a Marine during WWII indicated that he could not
understand why the troops do not have flamethrowers. He swore by the flamethrower. Also.
someone brought up the fact that it appeared that we were not using napalm.
The WWII vet also indicated that during WWII the government, to the best of his knowledge,
drafted personnel up to the age of 55-60. He indicated that if the draftee's were up in
age and. had military experience, i.e., WWI, China, etc. They were utilized to train the
untrained and ~ssisted in homeland security by covering military installations that were
placed in caratakership when the personnel were deployed.
I was amazed at the treasure trove of knowledge and experience that surrounded me as .we
discussed the war in Iraq. The retiree's groups are an untapped resource.
MOst if not all of the group indicated that given the chance they would help in any way
that they could.
Over the weekend, 1 had heard a news cast that indicated that the government was
considering the possibility of bringing back the draft on a limited basis. I really do
not know if this is an option.
I ctarted thinking about the discussions at the COM and the news cast reporting the
possibility of re establishing the draft and came up with an idea.
Even if the draft does not transpire, why not give the vast number of military and
civilian government retirees an opportunity to assist in the current situation.
With the shortage of personnel and apparent lack of continuity of training. the DOD and
OPM should consider giving the retiree community a chance to shine. There are many combat
vets and former law enforcement/intelligence retirees that can make a difference.
I believe that the "Over the Hill gang" is not 50 far over the hill. Just look at
Rumsfeld, the guy is 72.
Do you think this is worthwhile? Please give me your thought3.
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I and tactical. Every month for the last two and a half years I've tried to pick security and defense ,
issues that I feel are being distorted by the media or political filters to the detriment of the truth.
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the horror of the Holocaust if there were no witnesses to Hitler's madness. He then ordered that as I
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represented in treasure and American blood. He instinctively knew that the sacrifice was better I
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justified by stopping the evil that was Naz; Germany vs the sterile concept of achieVing military
, objectives like disarming a militant Germany. I hope our troops in Iraq are made aware (out chop
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of their service away from them. (consider that a recommendation!)
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Front Sight Focus - January 2004
The Case for Preemptive War
With the 2004 presidential election fast approaching, Americans art= being subjected to a cacophony of angry
and confused voices from both ends of the political spectrum. The critical nature of this discussion goes far
beyond the traditional guns vs. butter debate. At this crucial point in American history there is a desperate
need for a logical, reality based analysis of America's foreign policy requirements in the post 9- t 1 world.
This issue of Front Sight Focus addresses the historical context of the current war on terror and explores the
preemptive use of America's power through the unilateral application of military force known as the Bush
Doctrine. It examines the passionate views of Americans and others in the world community vehemently
opposed to unilateralism and the use of American might to resolve conflict.
It is my conclusion that we, as a free and democratic nation, can no longer apply 17th century European
concepts of gentlemen's wars and corporate diplomacy to an enemy that doesn't fly a flag, doesn't defend a
capital and doesn't employ a diplomatic corps. J believe that our great nation cannot stand by and rely on
hope as a defense policy. America can no longer fight, restricted by Marquis of Queensbury rules, while an
enemy anned with devastating weapons of mass death recruits dedicated and fanatical warriors in the back
allies of Cairo and in barren mountains of Afghanistan.
In the aftermath of the first Persian Gulf Wsr, then Undersecretary of Defense for Policy, Paul Wolfowitz,
drafted a an internal set of military guidelines detailing a new approach to national security. His brief
memorandum, Defense Planning Guidance, was a routine strategic musing that received little attention in
the first Bush Administration. It argued for a new military and political strategy. Containment, Wolfowitz
noted, was an obsolete relic of the Cold War. America, he wrote, should use its super power status and
leverage to preempt the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, and if America was, in the final
analysis, the only nation capable of effectively dealing with the issue, so be it. This minor document
represented the genesis of a bold and highly controversial doctrine of unilateral super power preemption now
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known as the Bush Doctrine, a dynamic national security doctrine that not only threatens our enemies, but
may also serve to undennine the very fabric of international relations.
The shock of the terrorist attacks in September of 2001 galvanized the resolve of the American people and
handed the new Bush administration an opportunity to present the strategy of preemptive war as a just and
proper response to the reality of world conflict in the new millennium. In the president's first address to the
nation on that terrible day he began what was to become a series of small steps toward a fully fleshed out
and detailed policy. He announced to the world that the United States would not distinguish between the
terrorists and the nations who harbored them. The American people realized this president wouldn't be
sending cruise missiles as a slap on the wrist, a procedure that had become common practice during the
Clinton administration. On September 13 lh , 2001, in an 'even clearer insight into President Bush's new
robust approach to the terrorist threat, Paul Wolfowitz stated, "I think one has to say it's not just simply a
matter of capturing people and holding them accountable. but removing their sanctuaries, removing their
support systems, ending states who sponsor terrorism."
Many astute observers of foreign policy believe that with weapons of mass destruction spreading beyond the
control of established First World nations it is imperative that the US engage the proliferation issue through
compromise and consensus building. They argue the Cold War was won without global conflagration in just
this manner. In their opinion, strong alliances and diplomatic containment is the path to peace and security.
But what do we do if this approach fails? Terrorist organizations do not operate within the construct of
normal international organizations. They, in fact, operate similar to organized crime and the UN is
ineffective against an enemy that doesn't attend meetings and doesn't recognize the basic moral
underpinnings of diplomacy and foreign policy. Deferring to the good works of an international body when
dealing with terrorism would result in disaster for the United States. The Bush Doctrine seems to be the
only pragmatic answer in the face of this failure and the near instantaneous threat of terrorist attack.
On September 20 1h , 2001, President George W. Bush fonnally addressed ajoint session of Congress while a
shaken nation watched and waited. He made it clear that Paul Wolfowitz had not misspoken dUring his
earlier Pentagon statement. A new American foreign policy was presented: "We will pursue nations that
provide, aid, or give safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make.
Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. from this day forward, any nation that continues to
harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime." With those words the
die was cast. Over the next twelve months the Bush administration continued to add elements to the new
doctrine. In his first State of the Union address in January 2002, President Bush detailed his view of a
dangerous world, listing Iraq, Iran, and North Korea as nations hostile to America. An axis of Evil that
harkened back to the days of World War Two and the infamolls Gennan, Italian, Japanese alliance. In June
2002, during a graduation speech at West Point, President Bush called on all Americans to be resolute and
prepare for preemptive American action when necessary to defend liberty and lives. On September 171h ,
2002, the formal national security strategy of me Bush administration was published. It confirmed the
intentions of the new Bush Doctrine in great detail. America was finally taking off the gloves.
The American public, as might be expected in a nation politically split down the middle, was ambivalent
about the basic premise of the Bush Doctrine. Few Americans arc soft on terrorism and most agreed with
the president's objective to protect the nation. However, since the declaration of war on terror in 2001, some
Americans have vehemently rejected the new doctrine of preemptive war as arrogant and dangerous. Many
Congressional and European leaders went even further in their condemnation. In fact, only six days after the
September 23,2002, publication of the Bush Doctrine in the National Security Strategy of the United States,
former Vice President Al Gore attacked the doctrine during a speech in San Francisco. He predicted dire
consequences for America if US power was abused. "If the Congress approves the Iraq resolution-just
proposed by the administration it is simultaneously creating the precedent for preemptive action anywhere,
anytime, this as any future president so decides," Gore said. As the shock of9-11 wore off, critics of the
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new doctrine began to make themselves heard, carefutly avoiding the appearance of attacking the military
while Americans were fighting in Afghanistan and forward deployed in the Philippines and the Persian Gulf.
However, the Commander-in-Chief was fair game.
In his famous Axis of Evil speech, George W. Bush made his views crystal clear: "We'll be deliberate, yet
time is not on our side. 1 will not wait on events, while dangers gather. I will not stand by, as perils draw
closer and closer. The United States of America will not permit the world's most dangerous regimes to
threaten us with the world's most destructive weapons." The case has been made by' the president's chief
political critic, Democrat Howard Dean. He believed that the time had not come to toss aside the
international community in a headstrong rush to war. In a 2003 online article the aspiring presidential
candidate viscously attacked the Bush Doctrine and the Bush administration's handling of foreign policy:
"The next president wi Il need to undo the work of this band of radicals currently controlling our foreign
policy - who view the Middle East as a laboratory for their experiments in democracy-building." Governor
Dean goes on to add, "...on day one of a Dean Presidency, I will reverse this attitude. I will tear up the Bush
Doctrine, and I will steer us back into the community of nations." Regardless of your political viewpoint
one thing is clear, the 2004 race for the White House will determine if America continues the policy of
preemptive defense or returns to an internationalist approach to fending off impending threats.
There are many arguments for and against the Bush Doctrine of preemptive war. The fierce intensity of
these opposing positions is palatable fully two months before the real political combat of the presidential
race begins. The Bush Doctrine is the national security policy of the United States. In support of that
policy, in speech after speech, the Bush administration hammers home America's inherent right of self
defense. The administration points to Article 51 ofthe United Nations charter as international support of
that right. But while the UN charter does acknowledge a nation's right to self.defense, tbe charter clearly
does not sanction preemptive attacks - even in self·defense. Especially when a nation only thinks it may be
attacked at some undetermined time in the/uture. The conflict in the UN language is difficult to reconcile.
The right of self·defense has historically been triggered by the clear massing of offensive enemy forces on a
border or, as in the attack by Imperial Japan on Pear] Harbor, by an actual attack. The Bush Doctrine argues
that new, unparalleled destructive technology, in the hands of rogue states and terrorists, defies historical
references and definitions of early warning. A policy of allowing a first strike against America in the age of
weapons of mass destruction is out of the question. No American President can accept the consequences of
such a policy as a basis for a US national security doctrine.
Once again the president's detractors and opponents fail to accept the administration's comprehensive logic
of preemptive defense. MadeleineAlbright, fonner Secretary of State in the Clinton administration, has
frequently voiced grave concerns about the potential negative effects of the overly simplistic Bush Doctrine.
In analyzing the war in Iraq and its connection to the war on terror, she contended that the current efforts in
Iraq "...frightens and divides the world. Instead of simply asking others to oppose Al Qaeda, [the president]
now asks them to oppose AI Qaeda, support the imasion of an Arab country, and endorse the doctrine of
preemption. all as part of a single package. Faced with this choice many who staunchly oppose AI Qaeda
have nevertheless decided that they do not want to be "with" the United States." Will the Bush Doctrine tear
apart al1iances and diplomatic relationships, rendering the Middle East a quagmire of war and death? Or
wi11 later generations hail his bold new doctrine as atuming point in world history? Will George W. Bush
be remembered as another Winston Churchill, leading America through the dark times, or be compared to
the worst aggressors of human history?
These academic arguments are important but the reality today is defined by results. The United States is
now actively waging global preemptive war, and asa result terrorists and the rogue nations that play host to
them fear for their very existence. Meanwhile, the world watches intently as the 2004 presidential election
goes into full swing. There is little doubt which outcome our former European allies wish to see. Here at
home in America the battle lines are being draWn. In Washington, D.C., young idealistic political staffers
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bum the midnight oil, feverishly preparing for the epic battle ahead. Presidential hopefuls strive to tear
down the Bush presidency one policy at a time, even as they struggle against their peers to become the one
Democrat who faces George W. Bush in November. The national debate in 2004 over the proper role of US
power and influence will consume expensive airtime and drive the agenda of talk radio. Newspaper editors
of every political persuasion will salivate in anticipation. The upcoming struggle between the two dominant
American political partie!> will not be over the economy, the environment, or taxes. It will not be about
education or about healthcare. Instead, the titanic clash lining up in 2004 will be about one critical issue
national security and the security of Americans at home at abroad. With the economic numbers improving
every day, it is apparent President Bush's political critics and opponents must shift focus to the only issue
left to them.
When Americans tune into the final days of the presidential election they will be mesmerized by the debate
over the Bush Doctrine. They will have to make a choice, but a choice that reflects the reality of threats to
America in this century - not the last. For in 2004, we will not be threatened by nuclear annihilation at the
hands of another super power,but will instead be threatened by an unseen enemy that defies the classic
American defenses of geographic isolation, deterrence, containment, and disarmament. In 2004 the debate
over national security will about your security and the security of your family, not the defeat of an ideology
or a well-defined hostile nation-state. Since the attacks on US soil in 2001, national and homeland security
have been a part of OUT daily lives. The public has become weary of readiness alerts and the never-ending
casualty lists from conflicts they don't truly understand. In the end the Democrats will put forward one
candidate and one platfoIm that will declare the Bush Doctrine counter productive and illegitimate. hi. the
end the American people will decide.
I've come to the logical strategic conclusion that a new paradigm shift in US Defense policy is
occurring because it must occur. In a world where 19 men can bypass deterrent systems and security
devices, and turn our own planes against us, in a world where an open democratic society can Ilurture
and educate those who mean to destroy us, in a world where one man can pour deadly biotoxins from
a vial into a public reservoir and kill thousands, in this world America must stand ready to deliver the
first strike! America cannot defeat bar thugs and street fighters using rules of good conduct and
etiquette. The United States cannot expect a fanatical global enemy armed with weapons capable of
massive and terrible consequences, to operate under the restraint of democratic checks and balances,
public opinion polls, and outdated diplomatic methodology. We must not project our system of
civilized conflict resolution upon an enemy that only seeks a bloody and unholy victory over its
enemies.
Study the Monroe Doctrine to understand that there is a precedent for America acting
preemptively and in clear violation of international constructs. Study the Truman Doctrine to
understand that democraey and the spread of representative government is a just and noble strategic
goal. Study tbe history of human experience and know In your heart that evil will seek advantage and
good can only triumph through vigilance aDd strength.
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Martin L. Strong
www.sealstrike.com
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From: MARTIN STRONG [sealmd
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Marty
Marty, this is such a w.onderfully written article. You are very articulate. Do you mind if I
send this out to "regular folks'l.
Front Sight Focus - January 2004
With the 2004 presidential election fast approaching, Americans are being subjected to a cacophony of angry
and confused voices from both ends of the political spectrum. The critical nature of this discussion goes far
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beyond the traditional guns vs. butter debate. At this crucial point in American history there is a desperate
need. for a logical, reality based analysis ofAmerica's foreign policy requirements in the post 9-11 world.
This issue of Front Sight Focus addresses the historical context of the current war on terror and explores the
preemptive use of America's power through the unilateral application of military force knO\\'Tl as the Bush
Doctrine. It examines the passionate views of Americans and others in the world community vehemently
opposed to unilateralism and the use of American might to resolve conflict.
It is my conclusion that we, as a free and democratic nation, can no longer apply 17U1 century European
concepts of gentlemen's wars and corporate diplomacy to an enemy that doesn't fly a flag, doesn't defend a
capital and doesn't employ a diplomatic corps. 1believe that our great nation cannot stand by and rely on
hope as a defense policy. America can no longer fight, restricted by Marquis of Queensbury rules, while an
enemy anned with devastating weapons of mass death recruits dedicated and fanatical warriors in the back
allies of Cairo and in barren mountains of Afghanistan.
In the aftertnath of the first Persian Gulf War, then Undersecretary of Defense for Policy. Paul Wolfowitz,
drafted a an internal set of military guidelines detailing a new approach to national security. His brief
memorandum. Defense Planning Guidance. was a routine strategic musing that received little attention in
the first Bush Administration. It argued for a new military and political strategy. Containment, Wolfo\\itz
noted, was an obsolete relic of the Cold War. America, he wrote, should use its super power status and
leverage to preempt the proliferation of weapons ofmass destruction, and if America was, in the final
analysis. the only nation capable of effectively dealing with the issue, so be it. This minor document
represented the genesis of a bold and highly controversial doctrine of unilateral super power preemption now
knO\m as the Bush Doctrine. a dynamic national security doctrine that not only threatens our enemies. but
may also serve to undennine the very fabric of international relations.
The shock of the terrorist attacks in September of 200 1 galvanized the resolve of the American people and
handed the new Bush administration an opportunity to present the strategy of preemptive war as a just and
proper response to the reality of world conflict in the new millennium. In the president's first address to the
nation on that terrible day he began what was to hecome a series of small steps toward a fully fleshed out
and detailed policy. He announced to the world that the United States would not distinguish between the
terrorists and the nations who harbored them. The American people realized this president wouldn't be
sending cruise missiles as a slap on the wrist, a procedure that had become common practice during the
Clinton administration. On September 13 th , 200 I, in an even clearer insight into President Bush's new
robust approach to the terrorist threat, Paul Wolfowitz stated, "I think one has to say it's not just simply a
matter of c;:apturing people and holding them accountable, but removing their sanctuaries, removing their
Many astute observers of foreign policy believe that with weapons of mass destruction spreading beyond the
control of established First World nations it is imperative that the US engage the proliferation issue through
compromise and conSensus building. They argue the Cold War was won without global conflagration injust
this manner. In their opinion, strong alliances and diplomatic containment is the path to peace and security.
But what do we do if this approach fails? Terrorist organizations do not operate within the construct of
nonnal international organizations. They, in fact, operate similar to organized crime and the UN is
ineffective against an enemy that doesn't attend meetings and doesn't recognize the basic moral
underpinnings of diplomacy and foreign policy. Deferring to tile good works of an international body when
dealing with terrorism would result in disaster for the United States. The Bush Doctrine seems to be the
only pragmatic answer in the face of this failure and the near instantaneous threat of terrorist attack.
On September 20th , 2001, President George W. Bush formally addressed a joint session of Congress while a
shaken nation watched and waited. He made it clear that Paul Wolfowitz had not misspoken during his
earlier Pentagon statement. A new American foreign policy was presented: "We will pursue nations tbat
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provide, aid, or give safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make.
Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. From this day forward, any nation that continues to
harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime." With those words the
die was cast. Over the next twelve months the Bush administration continued to add elements to the new
doctrine. In his first State of the Union address in January 2002, President Bush detailed his view of a
dangerous world, listing Iraq, Iran, and North Korea as nations hostile to America. An axis of Evil that
harkened back to the days of World War Two and the infamous Gennan. Italian, Japanese alliance. In June
2002, during a graduation speech at West Point, President Bush caIled on all Americans to be resolute and
prepare for preemptive American action when necessary to defend liberty and lives. On September 171h,
2002, the fonnal national security strategy of the Bush administration was published. It confinned the
intentions of the new Bush Doctrine in great detail. America was finaIly taking off the gloves.
The American public, as might be expected in a nation politically split down the middle, was ambivalent
about the basic premise of the Bush Doctrine. Few Americans are soft on terrorism and most agreed with
the president's objecti ve to protect the nation. However, since the declaration of war on terror in 2001, some
Americans have vehemently rejected the new doctrine of preemptive war as arrogant and dangerous. Many
Congressional and European leaders went even further in their condemnation. In fact, only six days after the
September 23,2002, publication ofthe Bush Doctrine in the ~ational Security Strategy of the United States,
fonner Vice President Al Gore attacked the doctrine during a speech in San Francisco. He predicted dire
consequences for America if US power was abused. "If the Congress approves the Iraq resolutionjust
proposed by the administration it is simultaneously creating the precedent for preemptive action anywhere,
anytime, this as any future president so decides," Gore said. As the shock of 9-11 wore off, critics of the
new doctrine began to make themselves heard, carefully avoiding the appearance of attacking the military
while Americans were fighting in Afghanistan and forward deployed in the Philippines and the Persian Gulf.
However, the Commander-in-Chief was fair game.
In his famous Axis of Evil speech, George W. Bush made his views crystal clear: "We'll be deliberate, yet
time is not on our side. I will not wait on events, while dangers gather. I will not stand by, as perils draw
closer and closer. The United States of America will not pennit the world's most dangerous regimes to
threaten us with the world's most destructive weapons." The case has been made by the president's chief
political critic, Democrat Howard Dean. He believed that the time had not come to toss aside the
international community in a headstrong rush to war. In a 2003 online article the aspiring presidential
candidate viscously attacked the Bush Doctrine and the Bush administration's handling of foreign policy:
"The next president wi II need to undo the work of this band of radicals currently controlling our foreign
policy - who view the Middle East as a laboratory for their experiments in democracy-building." Governor
Dean goes on to add, .....on day one of a Dean Presidency, I will reverse this attitude. I will tear up the Bush
Doctrine, and I will steer us back into the community of nations." Regardless of your pol hical viewpoint
one thing is clear, the 2004 race for the White House will detennine if America continues the policy of
preemptive defense or returns to an internationalist approach to fending off impending threats.
There are many arguments for and against the Bush Doctrine of preemptive war. The fierce intensity of
these opposing positions is palatable fully two months before the real political combat of the presidential
race begins. The Bush Doctrine is the national security policy of the United States. In support of that
policy, in speech after speech, the Bush administration hammers home America's inherent right of self
defense. The administration points to Article 51 of the United Nations charter as international support of
that right. But while the UN charter does acknowledge a nation's right to self~efense, the charter clearly
does not sanction preemptive attacks - even in self-defense. Especially when a nation only thinks it may be
attacked at some undetermined time in the future. The conflict in the UN language is difficult to reconcile.
The right of self-defense has historically been triggered by the clear massing of offensive enemy forces on a
border or, as in the attack by Imperial Japan on Pearl Harbor, by an actual attack. The Bush Doctrine argues
that new, unparalleled destructive technology, in the hands of rogue states and terrorists, defies historicai
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references and definitions of early warning. A policy of allowing a first strike against America in the age of
weapons of mass destruction is out of the question. No American President can accept the consequences of
Once again the president's detractors and opponents fail to accept the administration's comprehensive logic
of preemptive defense. Madeleine Albright, fonner Secretary of State in the Clinton administration, has
frequently voiced grave concerns about the potential negative effects ofthe overly simplistic Bush Doctrine.
In analyzing the war in Iraq and its connection to the war on terror, she contended that the current efforts in
Iraq "...frightens and divides the world. Instead of simply asking others to oppose Al Qaeda, [the president}
now asks them to oppose Al Qaeda, support the invasion ofan Arab country, and endorse the doctrine of
preemption - all as part of a single package. Faced with this choice many who staunchly oppose Al Qaeda
have nevertheless decided that they do not want to be "with" the United States." Will the Bush Doctrine tear
apart alliances and diplomatic relationships, rendering the Middle East a quagmire of war and death? Or
will later generations hail his bold new doctrine as a turning point in world history? Will George W. Bush
be remembered as another Winston Churchill, leading America through the dark times, or be compared to
the worst aggressors of human history?
These academic arguments are important but the reality today is defined by results. The United States is
now actively waging global preemptive war, and as a result terrorists and the rogue nations that play host to
them fear for their very existence. Meanwhile, the world watches intently as the 2004 presidential ejection
goes into full swing. There is little doubt whieh outcome our fonner European allies wish to see. Here at
home in America the battle lines are being drawn. In Washington, D.C., young idealistic political staffers
bum the midnight oil, feverishly preparing for the epic battle ahead. Presidential hopefuls strive to tear
down the Bush presidency one policy at a time, even as they struggle against their peers to become the one
Democrat who faces George W. Bush in November. The national debate in 2004 over the proper role of US
power and influence will con~wne expensive airtime and drive the agenda of talk radio. Newspaper editors
of every political persuasion will salivate in anticipation. The upcoming struggle between the two dominant
American political parties will not be over the economy, tbe environment, or taxes. It will not be about
education or about healthcare. Instead, the titanic clash lining up in 2004 will be about one critical issue
national security and the security of Americans at borne at abroad. With the economic numbers improving
every day, it is apparent President Bush's political critics and opponents must shift focus to the only issue
left to them.
When Americans tune into the final days of the presidential election they will be mesmerized by the debate
over the Bush Doctrine. They will have to make a choice, but a choice that rellects the reality of threats to
America in this century - not the last. For in 2004, we will not be threatened by nuclear annihilation at the
hands of another super power, but will instead be threatened by an unseen enemy thal defies the classic
American defenses of geographic isolation, deterrence, containment, and disarmament. In 2004 the debate
over national security will about your security and the security of your family, not the defeat of an ideology
or a well-defined hostile nation-state. Since the attacks on US soil in 200 I, national and homeland security
have been a part of our daily lives. The public has become weary of readiness alerts and the never-ending
casualty lists from conflicts they don't truly understand. In the end the Democrats will put forward one
candidate and one platfonn that will declar.e the Bush Doctrine counter productive and illegitimate. In the
end the American people will decide.
I've come to the Ingieal strategic conclusion that a new paradigm shift in US Defense policy is
occurring because it must occur. In a world where 19 men can bypass deterrent systems and security
devices, and turn our own planes against us, in a world where an open democratic society caD nurture
lind educate those who mean to destroy us, iii a world where one man can pour deadly biotoxins from
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a vial into a public reservoir and kilJ thousands t in thi3 world America must stand ready to deJiver the
first strike! America cannot defeat bar tbugs Hod street fighters using rules of good con dud and
etiquette. The United States cannot expect a fanatical global enemy armed with weapons capable of
massive and terrible consequences, to operate under the restraint of democratic checks and balances,
pUblic opinion polls, and outdated diplomatic metbodolog)'. We must not project our system of
civilized connict resolution upon an enemy that only seeks a bloody and unholy victol')' over its
enemies.
preemptively and in clear violation of international constructs. Study the Truman Doctrine to
understand that democracy and the spread of representative government is a just and noble strategic
goa 1,_ Study the history of human experience and know in your heart that evil will seek advantage and
good can only triumph through vigilance and strength.
Martin L. Strong
www.sealstrike.com
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I have a pentagon badge so if you can give me a room number I will get there myself. I
will probably use the metro or walk over from Pentagon City parking garage (depending on
the weatherl. Thanks
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We strongly recommend using the Metro system to the Pentagon stop. We will provide
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escorts to the meeting from this point.
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guarantee you will find a spot.
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Front Sight Focus - October 2003
The Power of Positive Patriotism

The presidential political season is in full swing, with the Democratic contenders eagerly
lining up to impress their loyal base of support. In speech after speech these political
warriors bark louder and bite deeper, each s1riving to tear down the legitimacy of the
Bush administration in plai n view of an attentive world audience. The American political
experiment is 227 years young but the process of choosing our president isn't any easier
to watch. Democracy is like making sausage - the outcome is delicious but the process
leaves us a bit queasy.
There is no doubt among sages and layman alike that there are several ways to approach
every domestic issue. That is, in fact, why we have such a robust exchange and why we
have organizations of galvanized and like-minded spirits called political parties. I
applaud the process and accept the outcome of our socio-political discourse as do most
Americans, but I have a growing prohlem with the tactics being used when U.S. foreign
policy is at stake.
I've expressed my opinion on national television and in prior editions of this newsletter
as to the titanic nature of the fight against terrorism. I believe we are now witnessing the
clash of diametrically opposed philosophies on a global scale that is equaled in history
only by the fight between fascism and freedom in World War Two. When this war on
terror is over there can only be one philosophy left standing. The war on terror is a war
about truth. justice and freedom. It is a war that must be fought to a successful
conclusion. or we will indeed succumb to the new world vision and greater sense of
purpose of our enemies. Put another way - I don't hear our enemies discussing or
demanding an exit strategy.
So it seems odd that during the present period of global war the current crop of
Democratic hopefuls have felt comfortable as they gleefully attempt to outdo each other,
wildly speaking out in condemnation of the Commander~in-Chief and the other national
leaders of the war on terror. Some of the Democratic contenders have served in the
military and now make known that distinction, as if serving makes them spokespersons
for "those in uniform who know the real truth". The politicians use scary words like
"quagmire" and "body bags" to raise the specter of Vietnam. The Democrats seek power
by creating a false comparison between Iraq and Vietnam in order to scare and intimidate
the American electorate. For if we become worried enough, we just might boot the
Republicans and President Bush out of the White House.
The Democrats of course forget one important flaw in this political strategy. The one
great difference that separates this war from our involvement in Southeast Asia is this·
the Viet Cong did not come to New York City, Northern Virginia and Pennsylvania to
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The Democrats forget that millions upon millions of Americans can claim the distinctio
of having once served in defense of our nation and these fellow veterans may see the I
issues of this war quite differently. In fact, they forget that approximately 4 million ,
Americans arc in uniform right now and by regulation unable to express their views.
Maybe they disagree with weak-kneed disengagement and the clumsy comparisons to
other conflicts. Now the presidential contenders unabashedly trot out fanner military
I
officers and Defense Department appointees who were displaced by this administration to I
present their disgruntled opinions and carefully crafted political talking points as
legitimate fact. Their motivations are transparent. I
I
Why is it acceptable to attack the strategy and the leadership of our Commander-in-Chi f
in plain view of the enemy? Do these political leaders seeking the highest office in the
land truly believe that demanding an "exit strategy" after only five months in Iraq helps
j I
our fighting forces deployed around the wor!d? To attack the purpose of this global wa I I
undermines the moml foundation that sustains the morale of our brave American citizen
,
soldiers. To loudly demand an "exit strategy" and "timelines for U.S. withdrawal"
undermines the sense of determination and resolve our warriors must have to steel . I
themselves against the rigors of combat and wartime deployment.

I
Patriotism can be expressed in many ways, but in today's world of mass media and 24 I
hour news coverage, every negative utterance gives our foe comfort and hope for final
victory over America. In many ways this war was born of our weakness and lack of I
national will. We were watched closely for two decades and assessed by enemies who
I
concluded we were ripe for attack. We've all paid a price for projecting a lack of
national will and resolve. On September 1 t 111,2001,3,000 Americans paid the ultimate I
I price.
I
I There was once an unv.Titten code of conduct in American politics that during time of I
I anned conflict the partisan bickering stopped at the water's edge. This patriotic approa h
served our great nation well over the years. I call for a return to the power of positive I
I patriotism and a return to common sense. I call on Democrats and Republicans,
Independents and all other political parties to temper their rhetoric and keep in mind the I
I
other audiences watching and listening from beyond our shores. I say to our political I
I candidates and elected leaders, "Before you step up to a: microphone, decide if what yo
say can be used by our enemies to raise their morale - steady their resolve."
I \
I
In the final cost-benefit analysis, we must win this war decisively in order to contain an I
deter the future wars. We must make clear to our adversaries that we will not falter and
I we will not quit. These days I hear a different message coming from the Democratic
I
presidential hopefuls. In my opinion, as a citizen, a father of a serviceman and as a
I military analyst, these political power seekers may take us back to the decades of denial I
I and in fact invite further conflict should one of them assume the mantle of Commander I
in-Chief in 2004.
I I
The power of positive patriotism does not ignore either the mechanics of problem solvi g
I
or the process of defining foreign policy. Instead, it demands that the discussion be tak n I
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out of the political gutters and into the institutions of power, where people with differing·
views can formulate answers without giving aid and comfort to our enemies. Every
young Navy SEAL trainee knows you wind up on the rocks if you don't row together.
It's time for America's political leadership to point the bow forward and pull together.
Martin L. Strong
United States Navy SEAL, retired
www.seaRstrlke.com
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NY TIMES 8023
I
,
I
,
I Front Sight Focus - August 2003
I I
The New Cold War
I I
Nearly 24 months has passed since that tragic day in early S@ptember I
I 2001. For many of us the sight of men"women and children dying in one
I' horrific act after another was almost too much to bear, We learned I
during the ensuing weeks that the architects of this cowardly attack
I were hiding in Afghanistan, a nation highjacked from its people by the I
Taliban, We listened, glued to our televisions and we learned that we
I had been targeted for year~ by a group of fanatical murderers known as
\
Algueda.
I I
We learned as the Philippine government provided proof that the missions
I and the targets had been selected five years or more before that sad day I
in New York City. Five years before the plane buried itself into the
I proud Pentagon. Five years before the passengers attacked their enemy I
I in the cockpit of a plane destined for the White House. We've learned
much in the last 24 months, but have we learned the real lesson of 9-111 I
I
The end of WWI saw the demise of single~minded monarchies, ordained by I
I God to rule lesser men. The victory over the German Kaiser and his
I
allies in that war ushered in a new era of fresh political thought - the
I rise of the three great "isms" of the twentieth century; Communism,
Capitalism, and Fascism. However, the peace was short lived. Within I
I twenty years the world was once again plunged into the bloody morass of I
total war. A global war fought to determine which doctrine was fit to
I rule mankind. I
I In the end, out of the smoldering ashes of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, rose I
the two great super powers, The United States and the Soviet Union.
I
Unable and unwilling to directly engage each other in open and I
I catastrophic nuclear war, these two great powers entered instead into a
fifty-year period of "Cold war". Both super powers using surrogate I
I allies to fight each other on the great chessboard of the third world.
I
Korea, the Berlin·Airlift, the Cuban Missile crisis. Vietnam. Nicaragua
I and Afghanistan - were all great battles of the first Cold War. For
fifty years we buckled down and stayed in the fight. When at last we I
I witnessed the destruction and dismantling of the infamous Iron Curtain,
I
America and the world joined in a collective sigh of relief. We all
I looked forward to a bright and peaceful future - a New World Order. I
I But the human race .seems doomed to repeat its folly. The events that I
led to the unprecedented strike on 9-11 appear clear in hindsight, As
I
clear in retrospect as the actions by Japan that led to the attack on I
Pearl Harbor, We have been under attack by a dedicated and well-trained
I
foe since the early 1980's. For far too long we have been the target of I
I a worldwide conspiracy of death. The fight against us has been fought,
not in the light of day, but in the shadows, using the surrogate I
I warriors of impoverished nations. An army of warriors fed a steady diet
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of hatred toward America. On september 11 t h, 2001, after nearly twenty

years of minor victories against the United States, these shadow
warriors rejoiced in 'our deaths- Around the planet, fanatical murders
pointed to the television and said to their young charges - "See! See
how the great Satan falls!~ These killers believe the events of
September 11 th , 2001, marked the beginning of a new age.
America must understand a fundamental truth - they will not stop. They
will not stop when we catch Saddam, They will not stop when we catch
Osama Bin Laden. They will only stop when they have won or when they
have died in the attempt. The brave soldiers, sailors and airmen of the
armed forces are not fighting in Afghahistan and Iraq to liberate the
oppressed. We must not belittle their sacrifice with candy coated,
pol'itically correct rationale. They are fighting and dying to preserve
our liberty in the new Cold War. This war has been declared against us
without asking our approval; It is a war without boundaries, without
enemy formations, without flags to capture and generals to defeat. It
is a war we did not want - but it is a war that we must win/ That is
the lesson of 9-11. Are we ready to commit ourselves to the long years
of vigilance and sacrifice this new Cold War will demand? I for one
believe we are.
Martin L. Strong
www.sealstrike.com
NY TIMES 8025
Front Sight FOCUS-January 2004

With the 2004 presidential election fast approaching, Americans are being subjected to a
cacophony of angry and confused voices from both ends of the pol itical spectrum. The
critical nature of this discussion goes far beyond the traditional guns vs. butter debate. At
this crucial point in American history there is a desperate need for a logical, reality based
analysis of America's foreign policy requirements in the post 9-1 I world. This issue of
Front Sight Focus addresses the historical context of the current war on terror and
explores the preemptive use of America's power through the unilateral application of
military force known as the Bush Doctrine. It examines the passionate views of
Americans and others in the world commW1ity vehemently opposed to unilateral ism and
the use of American might to resolve conflict.
It is my conclusion that we, as a free and democratic nation, can no longer apply 17 th
century European concepts of gentlemen's wars and corporate diplomacy to an enemy
that doesn't fly a flag, doesn't defend a capital and doesn't employ a diplomatic corps.
believe that our great nation cannot stand by and rely on hope as a defense policy.
America can no longer fight, restricted by Marquis of Queensbury rules, while an cncmy
armed with devastating weapons of mass death recruits dedicated and fanatical warriors
in the back allies of Cairo and in barren mountains of Afghanistan.
In the aftermath of the first Persian Gulf War, then Undersecretary of Defense for Policy,
Paul Wolfowitz, drafted a an internal set of military guidelines detailing a new approach
to national security. His briefmernorandum, Defense Planning GUidance, was a routine
strategic musing that received little attention in the first Bush Administration. It argued
for a new military and political strategy. Containment, WoJfowitz noted, was an obsolete
relic of the Cold War. America. he wrote, should use its super power status and leverage
to preempt the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, and if America was, in the
final analysis, the only nation capable of effectively dealing with the issue, so be it. This
minor docwnent represented the genesis of a bold and highly controversial doctrine of
unilateral super power preemption now known as the Bush Doctrine, a dynamic national
security doctrine that not only threatens our enemies, but may also serve to undermine the
very fabric of international relations. .
The shock of the terrorist attacks in September of2001 galvanized the resolve of the
American people and handed the new Bush administration an opportunity to present the
strategy of preemptive war as a just and proper response to the reality of world conflict in
the new millennium. In the president's first address to the nation on that terrible day he
began what was to hecome a series of small steps toward a fully fleshed out and detailed
policy. He announced to the world that the United States would !lot distinguish between
the terrorists and the nations who harbored them. The American people realized this
president wouldn't be sending cruise missiles as a slap on the v,Tist, a procedure that had
become common practice during the Clinton administration. On September 13 1l1 , 2001, in
an even clearer insight into President Bush's new robust approach to the terrorist threat,
NY TIMES 8026
Paul Wolfowitz stated, "I think one has to say it's not just sim'ply a matter of capturing
people and holding them accountable, but removing their sanctuaries, removing their
Many astute observers of foreign policy believe that with weapons of mass destruction
spreading beyond the control of established First World nations it is imperative that the
US engage the proliferation issue through compromise and consensus building. They
argue the Cold War was won without global conflagration in just this manner. In their
opinion, strong alliances and diplomatic containment is the path to peace and security.
But what do we do if this approach fails? Terrorist organizations do not operate within
the constntet ofnonnal international organizations. They, in fact, operate similar to
organized crime and the UN is ineffective against an enemy that doesn't attend meetings
and doesn't recognize the basic moral underpinnings of diplomacy and foreign policy.
Deferring to the good works of an international body when dealing with terrorism would
resull in disaster for the United States. The Bush Doctrine seems to be the only
pragmatic answer in the face of this failure and the near instantaneous threat of terrorist
attack.
th
On September 20 , 2001, President George W. Bush formally addressed ajoint session
of Congress while a shaken nation watched and waited. He made it clear that Paul
Wolfowitz had not misspoken during his earlier Pentagon statement. A new American
foreign policy was presented: "We will pursue nations that provide, aid, or give safe
haven to terrorism. Ever)' nation, in every region, now has a decision 10 make. Either
you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. From this day forward, any nation that
continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile
regime." With those words the die was cast. Over the next twelve months the Bush
administration continued to add elements to the new doctrine. In his first State ofthe
Union address in January 2002, President Bush detailed his view of a dangerous world,
listing Iraq, Iran, and North Korea as nations hostile to America. An axis of Evil that
harkened back to the days of World War Two and the infamous Gennan, Italian,
Japanese alliance: In June 2002, during a graduation speech at West Point, President
Bush called on all Americans to be resolute and prepare for'preemptive American action
when necessary to defend liberty and lives. On September 17'\ 2002, the formal national
security strategy of the Bush administration was published. It confinned the intentions of
the new Bush Doctrine in great detail. America was finally taking offthe gloves.
The American public, as might be expected in a nation politically split down the middle,
was ambivalent about the basic premise of the Bush Doctrine. Few Americans are soft
on terrorism and most agreed with the president's objective to protect the nation.
However, since the declaration of war on terror in 2001, some Americans have
vehemently rejected the new doctrine of preemptive war as arrogant and dangerous.
Many Congressional and European leaders went even further in their condemnation. In
fact, only six days after the September 23,2002, publication of the Bush Doctrine in the
~ational Security Strategy of the United States, former Vice President Al Gore attacked
the doctrine during a speech in San Francisco; He predicted dire consequences for
America if US power was abused. "If the Congress approves the Iraq resolutionjust
NY TIMES 8027
proposed by the administration it is simultaneously creating the precedent for preemptive

action anywhere, anytime, this as any future president so decides," Gore said. As the
shock of 9-11 wore off, critics ofthe new doctrine began to make themselves heard,
carefully avoiding the appearance of attacking the military while Americans were
fighting in Afghanistan and forward deployed in the Philippines and the Persian Gulf.
However, the Commander-in-Chiefwas fair game.
In his famous Axis of Evil speech, George W. Bush made his views crystal clear: "We'll
be deliberate, yet time is not on our side. I will not wait on events, while dangers gather.
] will not stand by, as p~rils draw closer and closer. The United States of America will
not permit the world's most dangerous regimt;:s to threaten us with the world's most
destructive weapons." The case has been made by the president's chief political critic,
Democrat Howard Dean. He believed that the time had not come to toss aside the·
international community in a headstrong rush to war. In a 2003 online article the aspiring
presidential candidate viscously attacked the Bush Doctrine and the Bush
administration's handling of foreign policy: "The next president will need to undo the
work of this band of radicals currently controlling our foreign policy - who view the
Middle East as a laboratory for their experiments in democracy-building." Governor
Dean goes on to add. " ... on day one of a Dean Presidency, I will reverse this attitude. I
will tear up the Bush Doctrine, and 1 will steer us back into the community of nations."
Regardless of your political viewpoint one thing is clear, the 2004 race for the White
House will detennine if America continues the policy of preemptive defense or returns to
an internationalist approach to fending off impending threats.
There are many argument~ for and against the Bush Doctrine ofpreemp1ive war. The
fierce intensity of these opposing positions is palatable fully two montfs before the real
political combat of the presidential race begins. The Bush Doctrine is the national
security policy of the United States. In support of that policy, in speech after speech, the
Bush administration hammers horne America's inherent right of self-defense. The
administration points to Article 51 of the United Nations charter as 'international support
of that right. But while the UN charter does acknowledge a nation's right to self-defense,
the charter clearly does not sanction preemptive attacks - even in self-defense.
Especially when a nation only thinks it may be attacked at some undetennined time in the
future. The conflict in tbe UN language is difficult to reconcile. The right of self-defense
has historically been triggered by the clear massing of offensive enemy forces on a border
or, as in the attack by Imperial Japan on Pearl Harbor, by an actual attack. The Bush
Doctrine argues that new, unparalleled destructive technology, in the hands of rogue
states and terrorists, defies historical references and definitions of early warning. A
policy of allowing a first strike against America in the age of weapons of mass
destruction is out of the question. No American President can accept the consequences of
Once again the president's detractors and opponents fail to accept the administration's
comprehensive logic of preemptive defense. Madeleine Albright, fonner Secretary of
State in the Clinton administration, has frequently voiced grave concerns about the
potential negative effects of the overly simplistic Bush Doctrine. In analyzing the war in
NY TIMES 8028
Iraq and its connection to the war on terror, she contended that the current efforts in Iraq
" ... frightens and divides the world. Instead of simply asking others to oppose AI Qaeda,
[the president) now asks them to oppose AI Qaeda, support the invasion of an Arab
country, and endorse the doctrine of preemption - all as part of a single package. Faced
with this choice many who staunchly oppose Al Qaeda have nevertheless decided that
they do not want to be "with" the United States." Will the Bush Doctrine tear apart
alliances and diplomatic relationships, rendering the Middle East a quagmire of war and
death? Or will later generations hail his bold new doctrine as a turning point in world
hLstory? Will George W. Bush be remembered as another Winston Churchill, leading
America through the dark times, or be compared to the worst aggressors of human
history?
These academic arguments are irnponant but the reality today is defined by results. The
United States is now actively waging global preemptive war, and as a result terrorists and
the rogue nations that play host to them fear for their very existence. Meanwhile, the
world watches intently as the 2004 presidential election goes into full swing. There is
little doubt which outcome our former European allies wish to see. Here at home in
America the battle lines are being drawn. In Washington, D.C., young idealistic political
staffers bum the midnight oil, feverishly preparing for the epic battle ahead. Presidential
hopefuls strive to tear down the Bush presidency one policy at a time, even as they.
struggle against their peers to become the one Democrat who faces George W. Bush in
November. The national debate in 2004 over the proper role of US power and influence
will consume expensive airtime and drive the agenda of talk radio. Newspaper editors of
every political persuasion will salivate in anticipation. The upcoming struggle between
the two dominant American political parties will not be over the economy, the
environment, or taxes. It will not be about education or about healthcare. Instead, the
titanic clash lining up in 2004 will be about one critical issue - national security and the
. security of Americans at home at abroad. With the economic numbers improving every
day, it is apparent President Bush's political critics and opponents must shift focus to the
only issue left to them.
When Americans tune into the final days of the presidential election they will be
mesmerized by the debate over the Bush Doctrine. They will have to make a choice, but
a choice that reflects the reality of threats to America in this century - not the last. For in
2004, we will not be threatened by nuclear annihilation at the hands ofanother super
power, but will instead be threatened by an unseen enemy that defies the classic
American defenses of geographic isolation, deterrence, containment, and disarmament.
In 2004 the debate over national security will about your security and the security of your
family, not the defeat of an ideology or a well-defined hostile nation-state. Since the
attacks on US soil in 2001, national and homeland security have been a part of our daily
lives. The public has become weary of readiness alerts and the never-ending casualty
lists from conflicts they don't truly understand. In the end the Democrats will put
forward one candidate and one platfonn that will declare the Bush Doctrine counter
productive and illegitimate. In the end the American people will decide.
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J've come to the logical strategic conclusion that a new paradigm shift in US Defense
policy is occurring because it must occur. In a world where 19 men can bypass deterrent
systems and security devices, and tum our own planes against us, in a world where an
open democratic society can nurture and educate those who mean to destroy us. in a
world where one man can pour deadly biotoxins from a vial into a public reservoir and
kill thousands, in this world America must sland ready to deliver the first strike! America
cannot defeat bar thugs and street fighters using rules of good conduct and etiquette. The
United States cannot expect a fanatical global enemy armed with weapons capable of
massive and terrible consequences, to operate under the restraint of democratic checks
and balances, public opinion polls. and outdated diplomatic methodology. We must not
project our system of civilized conflict resolution upon an enemy that only seeks a bloody
and unholy victory over its enemies.
preemptively and in clear violation of international constructs. Study the Trwnan
Doctrine to understand that democracy and the spread of representative government is a
just and noble strategic goal. Study the history of human experience and know in your
heart that evil will seek advantage and good can only triumph through vigilance and
strength.
Martin L. Strong
www.sealstrike.com
NY TIMES 8030
From: [~~Hf);;;;N ;:;;':;:// ('C'V OSD LA

. To: Whitman, Bryan. CIV, OASD-PA
Cc: Ballesteros, Mark, LTC, OASD·PA; Vician, Todd M LtCol OSD PA
Subject: FW: Cdrdesman response for PA & LA (FOUO)
Attachments: Cordesman response for PA (2).doc
Cordesman
~sponsefor PA (2)••
Here are talking points on a Tony Cordesman story on the Section 9010 Report
Measuring Stability and Security in Iraq.
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To: Thompson, Jonathan F Mr OSD PA; r~ft~%W~j~0~0~0~;,,~,;~,m0~<~0~lCIV OSD LA
Subject: FW: Cordes man response for PA & LA (FOUO)
mark-Up. I:.lm sending the TP]s to 1\.50 Rodman for his review, but you
use theSe if something comes up over the weekend.
Defense Reconstruction Support Office
From: CIV, OSD-POLICY [mailto

Sen . 08, 2006 5:44 PM
To: ',"'. ...... WSO/DRSO; Thompson, Jonathan F Mr aSD PA
Subject: FW: response for PA & LA (FOUO)
A few suggested changes ... but it is obviously impossible to deal with this thing as a
whole. it is simply too fragmented. ~$m~Bf0m
From: CIV WSO/DRSO

Sent: 08, 2006 4:48 PM
To: CIV, OSD-POLICY; Thompson, Jonathan F Mr OSD PA
NY TIMES 8031
sUbject: Cordesman response for PA & LA
We would appreciate it if you could take a look at these proposed talking points for use
by LA and PA.
Thanks,
Defense Reconstruction Support Office
EXEMPT FROM PUBLIC DISCLOSURE INCIDENT TO A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT (FOrA) REQUEST,
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From:
Sent:
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Subject:
Sir,
Roger -- will keep you posted on status of briefing Dr. Blackwell.
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Sent: 07 2005 6:56 PM
To: (K~!c~~}tV'!\'i',jl '
Cc: . CAPT, OSD-CIO; Whitman, Bryan, CIV, OASD-FA
Subject: RE: Church Report
Just spoke With Mr Whitman. He believes you should set this opportunity up for Mr
Blackwell. BTW. Mr Whitman has been in contact with former SECDEF/Schlesinger Panel
Member Harold Brown. He hopes to contact General Horner, as well. Both are being
provided copies of the EXSUM ... but it appears as if there won't be a briefing of any sort
since they live out of town. So, again. brie ':':;.:.
Mr Blackwell (or Admiral Church speaking
with him on the phone) makes sense. Thanks,
From
Sen
To: LtCol, OSD-PA'
. CCl APT, OSD-CIO
sir,
Affirm on the date/time. What do you envision for location? Can he do it from his
office?
Also - the Admiral mentioned that if desired by OSD FA, he could pre-brief Dr. Jim
Blackwell in lieu of Dr. Schlesinger. (Dr. Blackwell - who is a contractor was the
executive director of Dr. Schlesinger's Independent
Panel.) If ASD PA wants this done. we can make contact with Dr. B directly to set up a
meeting.
Finally, CAPT ~~,%~l:;("@;,;M:r:lalreadY received this. but wanted to make sure you had a copy of
the corrected executlve summary as well (attached).
LtCol, OSO-PA [mailto

07 2005 11 ",:3:rn3~AMm,;,====",
m,!c~t;;;;(!tiF(;H I ; r~}~),;,,·};;:/i;}; /;;IX;1 LtCol, OSD- FA
CAPT, OSD-CIO
Report
NY TIMES 8035
But you should have the Retired Military Analyst conference call down on the Admiral's
schedule for Wednesday, lSOO .. ,.CHINFO said he agreed to do it>
Mr Waxman and a senior Army rep will also participate (they'll discuss reforms). This
call'pays BIG dividends. You got my earlier email via NIPR giving all the background on
it. Thanks.
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To: LtCol, OSD-PA'
'Cc: APT, OSD - CIa
subJect: Report
Roger sir - please let me know if you hear anythingl
Mr Whitman indicated that Dr Schlesinger doesn't appear to have time to get a pre-
brief ... and not sure if the leadership here is pursuing the option of offering a brief to
former secretary Brown and General Horner.
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Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 6:00 PM
To: 'Skinner, John. LtCol, OSD-PAI
SUbject: RE: Church Report
Sir - any update on time/date for VADM Church pre-brief to Dr. Schlesinger?
Thanks,
VR,
~~~~~r~~1~00R{j~j8@0ie~~~~i,OSD-PA [mailto:
Sent: Saturda March 05 2005 1:17 PM
To:
Cc: CAPT, OSD-CIO
Even though the Church Report Unclas Executive Summary will be posted on DefenseLink
following Congressional Testimony, we'll be printing 100-200 copies of it, as well.' Did
you have a special cover for this uncIae EXSUM ... remember seeing the Admiral showing a
prototype of what he anticipated giving the press:
If you send us the cover, we can combine with the PDF file of the EXSUM and get to work on
the print job. These will, be tightly contrOlled in the DoD Detainee Task Force office
prior to distribution. Thanks.
~Jt~~;W;:X//?!!i::n:;X!f:;~ Lt Col, USAF

Defense Pres Officer
OASD-PA
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From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA

Colonel Ken Allard (USA, Retired)

Mr. Jed Babbin (AF, Former JAG)

Commander Peter Brookes (USN, Reserve)

Senior Fellow for National Security

The Heritage Foundation

214 Massachusetts Avenue NE

Major Dana R. Dillon (USA, Retired)

214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE

General Wayne A. Downing (USA, Retired)

Colonel John Garrett (USMC, Retired)

Patton Boggs, LLP

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Colonel Jack Jacobs (USA, Retired)

Lieutenant Colonel Robert L. Maginnis (USA, Retired)

Dr. Jeff McCausland (Colonel, USA, Retired)

Clarke Center, Dickinson College

Carlisle, Pennsylvania 17013

Lieutenant General Thomas Mcinerney (USAF, Retired)

Captain Chuck Nash (USN, Retired)

Director, Office of Community Relations & Public Liaison

United States Department of Defense

Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:07 PM

To: Ruff, Eric, SES. OSD

Subject: Re: The Ideological War

From: Lawrence, Dallas, OASD-PA

im not really sure what to do with this ...

it came in via don sheppard

Director, Office of Community Relations & Public Liaison

United States Department of Defense

From: Phoenix Intelligence [mailta:~.mlr;J

Dear Mr. Lawrence,

RealClearPolitics - Commentary - Fighting the Ideological War by Jed Babbin

From: . Jed Babbin@~i\fG\1I

The American Spectator

From: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA

Yes-agent referals count.

From: Ruff, Eric, SES, OSD

To: Whitman, Bryan, SES, OASD-PA; Smith, Dorrance, HON, OASD-PA

Sent: Tue Feb 28 09:43:20 2006

Subject: FW: Next week

From: JedBabbin@ij5filKili [mailto:JedBabbin@~

Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:25 AM

Subject: Next week

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Sent: Tuesday, February 28,20068:12 AM

To: Scott Belliveau

Subject: True Story of WMDs

Source is close hold for now.

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Sent: Monday, Febru~~ 27, 20067:02 AM

To: tmcinerney@1lFd paulvallely@rUilCi nashct@tOOlii_ Glenstrae77

The American Spectator

From:' ~Capt. USMC, OASD-PA

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Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 2:39 PM

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SUbject: RE: 22 Feb Outreach - time.

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