Documenti di Didattica
Documenti di Professioni
Documenti di Cultura
{Jacopo
Crivelli Visconti}
Eduardo Berliner
{Josu
Mattos}
Efrain Almeida
{Marcelo
Campos}
Elida Tessler
{Marilia
Panitz}
G Orthof
{Marilia Panitz}
Jos Rufino
{Marcelo
Campos}
Leda Catunda
{Jacopo
Crivelli Visconti}
Regina Parra
{Ana Maria
Maia}
Thiago Martins de Melo
{Josu
Mattos}
Jonathas de Andrade
{Ana Maria
Maia}
Binmios
[4] setembro 14
Binmios
Ana Maria Maia, Caetano Dias,
Eduardo Berliner, Efrain Almeida,
Elida Tessler, G Orthof, Jacopo
Crivelli Visconti, Jonathas de
Andrade, Jos Rufino, Josu Mattos,
Leda Catunda, Marcelo Campos,
Marlia Panitz, Regina Parra e
Thiago Martins de Melo.
Organizao: Josu Mattos
4 edio
3C Centro de Criao Contempornea
Florianpolis, 2014
Caetano Dias
{Jacopo Crivelli Visconti}
Jos Rufino
{Marcelo Campos}
Eduardo Berliner
{Josu Mattos}
Leda Catunda
{Jacopo Crivelli Visconti}
Efrain Almeida
{Marcelo Campos}
Regina Parra
{Ana Maria Maia}
Elida Tessler
{Marilia Panitz}
G Orthof
{Marilia Panitz}
Jonathas de Andrade
{Ana Maria Maia}
to e o no pensado se tornam elementos imprevisveis que vm tona e favorecem leituras da mesma natureza, retirando da prtica
artstica certas obviedades que se esforam
em salvaguardar as marcas de registro de
cada gerao de artistas. Caminhar pela via
sinuosa do imprevisvel o que se configura
como o ponto de partida para esses encontros
dialgicos.
Neste sentido, o projeto Binmios se mantm
como um dispositivo para a documentao do
presente. Adota a via do dspar, visto que os
encontros inter-regionais produzem anacronismos, sedimentam outros eixos e desestruturam os processos normativos que insistem,
no sem forar a barra, na escrita da arte
brasileira metropolitana. Do mesmo modo,
ao integrar discursos regionalistas, os binmios intendem perceb-los como um lugar
propcio para a efetiva eliminao de fronteiras, o que favoreceria a remontagem sempre
necessria do universal a partir de pequenos
fragmentos simblicos, territoriais, histricos,
sociais ou geopolticos de cada canto do mundo.Sendoo escopo do projeto discorrer sobre
procedimentos de trabalho dos artistas, tanto quanto sobre especificidades de cenas locais, entraves e embates com a historiografia
da arte, ele permite, tambm, refletir sobre o
modo como cada um deles constri irrupes
em cada categoria artstica, social ou poltica.
Ao longo desse pequeno percurso, o projeto
vem tentando criar intersees com outras
linguagens, o que faz dos debates abertos um
meio legtimo para o pblico se aproximar dos
centros de interesse de cada artista e de um
conjunto significativo da arte contempornea
produzida em diferentes regies do pas.
Josu Mattos
Binmios
expediente
Binmios #04
revista impressa / maio de 2014
Debate aberto realizado nos dias 08, 09 e
10 de abril de 2014, no Museu de Arte de
Ribeiro Preto Pedro Manuel Gismondi
produo
Carol Echeverria
edio e organizao
Josu Mattos
assessoria de imprensa
Verbo Nostro
reviso ortogrfica
Denize Gonzaga
coordenao executiva
MARP
Suzy Arajo
projeto grfico
Ingryd Calazans
produo audiovisual
K2 Imagens
transcrio
Julia Kubrusly
traduo
Marcia Carolina M. de Macedo
capa
Elida Tessler
Voc me d sua palavra?, 1994
A quarta edio da revista Binmios foi
contemplado com o prmio 10 Rede
Nacional Funarte de Artes Visuais.
Distribuio gratuita. Proibida a venda.
Caetano Dias
por Jacopo Crivelli Visconti
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que se d.
JVC Mas voc j o fez em outro lugar,
no?
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Caetano Dias, Cheia II, 2012. Fotografia digital. Dimenses 100 x 360 cm. Fotografia de Caetano Dias
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Caetano Dias, 1978 Cidade Submersa, 2010, vdeo experimental. Direo de Caetano Dias
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Caetano Dias
gua Invertida III, 2009
Fotografia digital, 60 x 60 cm
Fotografia de Caetano Dias
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Caetano Dias, Coleo Cabeas, 2005/14, dimenses variveis, acar preto fundido
Fotografia Caetano Dias
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Caetano Dias,
Cristo de Rapadura, 2005
Instalao/objeto
Acar e madeira
Dimenses variveis
Fotografia Caetano Dias
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Eduardo Berliner
Josu mattos
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Eduardo Berliner
Habitat, 2011
leo sobre tela
250 280 cm
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Eduardo Berliner
Jarro, 2012
leo sobre tela
190 x 190 cm
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Eduardo Berliner
CPR, 2010
leo sobre tela
200 x 200 cm
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Eduardo Berliner, A iminncia das poticas, Vista da 30 Bienal de So Paulo Pavilho da Bienal, So Paulo, 2012
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Como
um
desestabilizao, n?
exerccio
da
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Efrain Almeida
Por Marcelo Campos
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Efrain Almeida, Vista da Exposio na XXIV Bienal de So Paulo So Paulo, SP, 2010. Foto: Eduardo Ortega
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Efrain Almeida
Sem Titulo, 2010
Umburana, leo e mdf
Foto: Eduardo Ortega
Coleo Particular, So Paulo
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Efrain Almeida, Sem Titulo, 2010, umburana, leo e mdf. Foto: Eduardo Ortega. Coleo Particular, So Paulo
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contempornea. Em Efrain, h um
vnculo imantado do trabalho, da matria
com a qual ele trabalha. H, ento, uma
vontade que passa pelo particular, pelo
especfico, e no mais pelo programtico,
como, por exemplo, na Semana de
Arte Moderna de 22. Ou seja, no h
um programa para se desenhar ou se
representar o Brasil. H uma vontade
narrativa; h uma vontade de criar
coisas imantadas, sendo os materiais
os que guardam a memria, sem que o
artista se posicione, necessariamente,
diante de uma histria muito ampliada
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Efrain Almeida
A primeira paisagem, 2014
madeira umburana e leo
7 x 7 x 7 cm
Efrain Almeida
A primeira paisagem, 2014
madeira umburana e leo
7 x 7 x 7 cm
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Efrain Almeida
172 Chagas, 1999
Cedro e veludo
126 x 32 x 12 cm
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Efrain Almeida
Mariposas, 2010, umburana
leo e pirografia, 25 peas
Foto: Eduardo Ortega.
Coleo Particular
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Elida Tessler
Por Marilia Panitz
Elida Tessler, In Transition, Cisneros Fontanals Art Foundation, Coleo CIFO, Miami, EUA, 2010
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Elida Tessler, Meu nome tambm vermelho, 2009. Instalao com 200 porta-retratos, livro impresso
com intervenes grficas e material de caligrafia, 18 x 24 cm (porta-retrato), 24 x 36 cm (livro aberto)
Coleo da artista, trabalho dedicado a Evgen Bavcar (detalhe da instalao)
margem
(2005),
apresentado
na
Fundao
Iber
Camargo, s margens do esturio Guaba
(2013). No posso deixar de mencionar
que Gramtica intuitiva tornou-se ttulo
da exposio individual realizada no ano
passado, com curadoria de Glria
Ferreira,
apresentada
na
mesma
fundao, em Porto Alegre. interessante
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Elida Tessler
Detalhe da enciclopdia IST ORBITA, 2011
8 Bienal do Mercosul, Porto Alegre, RS
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Elida Tessler, detalhe da enciclopdia IST ORBITA, 8 Bienal do Mercosul, Porto Alegre, RS, 2011
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ET A diferena de procedimento
nesses dois trabalhos fundamental. O
mesmo romance gerou dois trabalhos
em sequncia. Meu nome vermelho,
o romance de Orhan Pamuk, aproxima a
escrita caligrfica criao de iluminuras
em um momento histrico no Ocidente,
quando a inveno da perspectiva no
Renascimento trouxe novas formas de
representar o mundo. As interdies de
ordem religiosa e moral no Oriente do
sc. XV so colocadas em evidncia. A
cor vermelha vem aparecendo ao longo
do texto como pigmento usado nos
atelis, na cor de tecidos, nos objetos e
nas pedras preciosas. Mas sobretudo a
cor do sangue este fludo corporal que vai
tingindo o romance do incio ao fim, e que
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Elida Tessler
Horas a fio, 2003
Centro Drago do Mar
Fortaleza, CE
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Elida Tessler, Horas a fio, Centro Drago do Mar, Fortaleza, CE, 2003
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Elida Tessler
Doador, 1999
2 Bienal do Mercosul
Porto Alegre, RS
Elida Tessler
Doador, 1999
2 Bienal do Mercosul
Porto Alegre, RS
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Elida Tessler
Doador, 1999
2 Bienal do Mercosul
Porto Alegre, RS
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Elida Tessler, Vous tes ici, 2010, livro, carimbro e adesivagem, 20,5 x 14 x 6,5 cm, (detalhe)
Coleo da artista. Fotografia: Filipe Conde
Elida Tessler, Vous tes ici, 2010. Livro, carimbro e adesivagem
20,5 x 14 x 6,5 cm, coleo da artista. Fotografia: Fbio Del Re
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Elida Tessler, Vista parcial da obra na exposio individual Gramtica intuitiva na Fundao Iber
Camargo, 2013. Homem sem qualidades caa palavras,134 telas e 4 livros em 2 estojos, 130 x 90 cm
(tela), 37 x 12,5 x 22 cm (estojo), Coleo MAC/USP, doao. Fotografia: Fbio Del Re
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Elida Tessler, Homem sem qualidades caa palavras (registro do processo), 2007
A artista carimba a primeira pgina e rasura todos os adjetivos do livro O homem sem qualidades, de
Robert Musil.
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Elida Tessler, Homem sem qualidades caa palavras (registro do processo), 2007
A artista carimba a primeira pgina e rasura todos os adjetivos do livro O homem sem qualidades, de
Robert Musil.
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G Orthof
Por Marlia Panitz
G Orthof
Exposio individual: coute, 2009, Galeria Ars117, Bruxelas, Blgica.
Foto: G Orthof
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G Orthof, Son(h)adores, Centro Cultural Banco Brasil, Brasilia, DF, 2010 (detalhe)
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G Orthof
Opodemopode,
Espao Marcantonio
Vilaa, Brasilia, DF,
2010 (detalhe)
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G Orthof, Aquarela, 2010, 30x50 cm, esboo conceitual para a instalao Os Son(h)adores.
CCBB Centro Cultural Banco do Brasil Braslia
MP Freud j dizia.
GO , o bom velhinho j sabia muita
coisa; ele era danado de esperto. Acho
que muito recente e foi muito abafado
por muito tempo. Agora comea com
as comisses da verdade, o trabalho
do Rufino, os mapeamentos dele das
cartas, por exemplo, tanto no aspecto
das artes quanto no aspecto do acesso
aos documentos, e voc ter condies de
enfrentar. Eu estou com o meu projeto
de ir l, porque eu sei onde est tudo em
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Jonathas de Andrade
Por Ana Maria Maia
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Jonathas de Andrade, 40 nego bom um real, 2013, serigrafia sobre madeira e textos, dimenso
variveis. 12 Bienal de Lyon, Lyon
Jonathas de Andrade, Cartazes para o Museu do Homem do Nordeste, 2013, fotografia e suportes de
madeira e ferro. Kunsthalle Lissabon, Lisboa
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Jonathas de Andrade, O que sobrou da 1a corrida de carroas do centro do Recife, 2014, fotografias, maquete,
documentos e textos, dimenso variveis. Cruzamentos, Wexner Center for the Arts, Columbus, Ohio.
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Jonathas de Andrade, HoyAyer, 2011. Colagem de papel sobre fotografia. 29 Panorama da Arte Brasileira
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Jonathas de Andrade, Educao para Adultos, 2010, 60 cartazes fotogrficos, 29 Bienal de So Paulo
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Jonathas de Andrade, O clube, 2010, 4 cromos digitalizados, impressos em papel de algodo, 105 x 80 cm (cada)
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Jonathas de Andrade, Sonhei que o mar chegava at o clube; chegava atravessando vrios
quilmetros, e todo o ptio ficava inundado; era maravilhoso flutuar sobre aquelas guas; nadava
e nadava; olhando para o teto daquele lugar salgado, secreto, embebido; sentindo o cheiro da gua,
Srie o clube, 2010. Fotografia, 105 x 70 cm (cada)
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Jonathas de Andrade, Nosso povo e nossa tradio nunca puderam tolerar a grandeza nem a
dissidncia. O clube sempre me fizera pensar que o que nos mantinha salvos da loucura era a
possibilidade de chegar ao mar, entrar na gua e nadar. Uma espcie de conspirao secreta,
tombada pelo esquecimento. Juntos. E tem sido sempre assim, Srie o clube, 2010
Fotografia, 105 x 70 cm (cada)
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No
Recenseamento
moral...
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Jos Rufino
Por Marcelo Campos
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Jos Rufino, Lexicon silentii, 2013, pedras e fragmentos de alvenaria recolhidos nas antigas reas de
conflitos agrrios das Ligas Camponesas da Paraba, pigmentos minerais, cola e mirra, malha ortogonal de
2,88m, exposio: Galeria Nara Roesler, So Paulo, setembro de 2013. Fotografada por : Ding Musa.
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Jos Rufino, Pedras recolhidas nas cidades de Areia e Remgio, no Brejo Paraibano, dispostas sobre mesa
antiga, 1979. 103 x 22,5 x 82 cm. Acervo: Jos Rufino. Foto: Jos Rufino
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Jos Rufino, Faustus, 2010, Site specific. Ossos moldados em gesso e peas de
mobilirio antigo, na montagem esto presentes p, mo, crnio e alguns ossos,
que equivalem ao que seria um homem de 22 metros. Dimenses varives
Acervo do artista. Fotos Marcio Lima
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Eduardo Berliner (na plateia) Pareceme que a forma que est no cho ...
preto?
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Jos Rufino, Quimera, 2009. Montagem na mostra Serto Contemporneo, Caixa Cultural
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Jos Rufino, Intentio animae, 2012, cadeiras de madeira, tubos, conexes metlicas e manmetro
usados, vidros e metais. Foto: Flvio Lamenha
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Leda Catunda
Por Jacopo Crivelli Visconti
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Leda Catunda
Duas rvores, 2009
Acrlica s/ tela, veludo e plstico
274 x 458 cm
Leda Catunda, Campeo II, 2011, acrlica s/ tela e tecido, 140 x 160 cm
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Leda CAtunda, Todo Pessoal, 2006. Acrlica s/ tecido e voile. 247 x 333 cm
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Leda Catunda, Vista da exposio Leda Catunda: 1983-2008, Estaco Pinacoteca, So Paulo, SP, 2009
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Museu Oscar Niemeyer - MON, Curitiba, 2013
Leda Catunda
A Cachoeira, 1985
Acrlica s/ plsticos e tecido
700 x 400 x 600 cm
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Regina Parra
Por Ana Maria Maia
Regina Parra
7.536 passos (por uma geografia da proximidade), 2012
Vdeo, 2012
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Regina Parra,
Atrs das janelas, 2011
Luminoso em neon
75 x 450 cm
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Regina Parra, Distant Shores (El Paso), 2011, leo sobre papel, 38 x 33 cm
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Regina Parra
O rei menos o reino I, 2011
leo sobre papel
27 x 19cm
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Regina Parra
Atrs das janelas, 2011
Luminoso em neon
75 x 450 cm
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Thiago Martins de Melo , O Teto, 2010, leo sobre tela, 200 x 180 cm
(duas telas, cada uma de 100 x 180 cm)
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Thiago Martins de Melo , Kwaku Ananse Revive o Karma do suplcio do Bastardo da Brancura sob as
Botas de Mercadores de Ferro Sujo, 2013
leo sobre tela, 360 x 390 cm (polptico - 6 telas de 180 x 130 cm)
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Thiago Martins de Melo , A Rbis Mestia coroa a escadaria dos mrtires indigentes, 2013
leo sobre tela, 390 x 360 cm
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Thiago Martins de Melo , A Rbis Mestia coroa a escadaria dos mrtires indigentes, 2013
leo sobre tela, 390 x 360 cm
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Thiago Martins de Melo , rvore de sangue - Fogo que consome porcos, 2013
leo sobre tela, 390 x 360 cm (6 telas de 130 x 180 cm cada)
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Thiago Martins de Melo , Psicopompos Manguezal - para Tereza Lgua e Tunga, 2013
leo sobre tela, 360 x 260 cm
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CAETANO DIAS
{JACOPO VISCONTI CRIVELLI}
Jacopo Visconti Crivelli First, I would like to
talk about two previous works, because the
material we have here is mainly comprised
of short excerpts that give an idea on the
works, but iT obviously does not encompass
everything. We could start our talk with two
videos that are, in a way, recordings of actions.
They put forward the first issue I would like
to address, which is to know how did this
transition happen for you, Caetano (if there
was one), of going from a work that focused
on installations to something that is more
related to video making. At least this is what
happened in Rabeca, you first feature film. So,
the first video we are going to watch is called
Zilomag or Mar de dentro . I think it would be
a good idea to watch it and then begin our
conversation.
JVC When I watched Zilomag, it was
presented together with the objective, that
is, they were both part of the exhibition. So,
the relation between what we saw which
obviously goes beyond the object, because
there is the action and the context in which
this action takes place and, later, we see that
the context is repeated; Im not sure if precisely
this place, but this type of neighborhood, this
context and the object was evident. I would
like to know that now that youre working, as
least in the case of Rabeca, more exclusively
with video, you think that something has
been lost, or something has been gained, or if
you will resume your work with installations
in the future.
CD In Zilomag, the object that appears
in the video was made for people to roll
down the ramp and it comes back like a
myth of Sisyphus. It is an object built by the
community, by this community, and that was
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EDUARDO BERLINER
{JOSU MATTOS}
Josu Mattos As well as organizing this
project, I decided to invite artists to also
participate as members of Binmios. I
invited Eduardo Berliner, an artist who
lives in Rio de Janeiro, because of an
experience that encouraged me to continue
the dialogue we began in his studio. And
visiting Eduardos working environment
was a unique experience for me. I say
this because in each corner of the studio
there is a sort of deliberate chaos that,
simultaneously, creates a certain order that
re-constructs reality and that, based on
these mediations, serve as sort of support
for the artists thinking. To start our story,
we thought of some interpretation-keys that
could be immediately evoked to begin this
conversation that, for sure, will encompass
more aspects besides the suggested ones.
One of them is the idea of sewing, and the
other is the expanded notion of risk. We
agreed that there was in this story an entire
idea of a collage that followed him all the
time to create painting. We thought of it as an
essential exercise in his studio, an exercise
of sewing, cutting, and gluing images. I think
about this based on some paintings that
form this set of unlikely situations in which
the individual is always in situations of risk,
in the broad sense of the term. And this
situation of risk made me think whether, to
you, there would be a place in painting that
would correspond to taking risks. Id like to
start with this idea and with the possible
derivation of the work risk, which would
be risking one self and taking risk. In this
sense, it seems that these characters that
inhabit your pictorial universe, in different
situations and instances, translated a little
bit this state of imminent risk.
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EFRAIN ALMEIDA
{MARCELO CAMPOS}
Marcelo Campos We agreed to begin our
conversation showing a video with one of
Efrains works. It is a work he showed in
Portugal, in an exhibition we organized in the
city of Guimares. Before, we could establish
here a possible relation between our works:
I began to conceive a PhD dissertation in
2001, and there was an issue about Brazilian
contemporary art and its possible relations
with Brazilianity. I met Efrain and Z Rufino
at that time, when I had a sort of an issue in
mind that encouraged me to research, which
was how Brazilian contemporary art dealt
with issues notably related to the history of
Brazil: the understanding of acts, feelings,
immaterial situations, such as the idea of
religiousness and other issues. And Efrain
produced this image in his work entitled
Suspenso that actually, connects his work
with some important issues well discuss
here. And the first question is related to a
very specific field: this work and this possible
relation; from where these eyes come.
Efrain Almeida Good afternoon. First of
all, its a pleasure to be here and its my first
time in Ribeiro Preto. Marcelo also likes to
say its an honor to be here. Id like to thank
Josu, the producers and the museum, as
well as say that this is a great opportunity
to talk, and I think that some aspects we
decided to talk about are directly related to
the format. Its because I always think its
a bit boring to talk about the work and say
this work is made... yada yada yada... on the
date, etc. I believe it is more interesting to
talk specifically about some works and about
issues they bring about or Im interested in,
or that interested me when I made them.
This work in the video is actually the end
of the exhibition. It was held in Guimares,
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ELIDA TESSLER
{MARLIA PANITZ}
Marlia Panitz Marcel Proust, James Joyce,
Orhan Pamuk, Donaldo Schler, Robert
Musil, Georges Perec... They have been the
interlocutors-provokers of your works.
These are long-term projects that involve
the establishment of an intimacy with the
authors texts. In this sense, your work is
established less by means of the direct path
of getting into the theme even though it is
somehow present and seems more an issue
of a methodology to address the poetics of
each author. How does this take place in your
creative process?
lida Tessler The authors you mentioned,
among others, are those who wrote novels and
essays that produced important changes in
the way I think about and look at things that
surround me. This is undeniable and
encouraging. These writers helped me to move
in the mental space, to shift in different
historical times, and exchange points of view.
To them, I add with special emphasis on
Manoel Ricardo de Lima, because the contact
with his poems, with his critical essays and his
way of responding to contemporary issues
offered me my first radical experience with
literature in the end of the 1990s. A common
friend, artist Eduardo Frota, introduced us in
Fortaleza. Falas inacabadas objetos e um
poema is the title of our book, which was
published in 2000 by Tomo Editorial, from
Porto Alegre and it resulted from this meeting
and an intense conversation between us. It
was conceived very delicately, with exposed
spine sewing, foldings in the paper and
photographic images together with poems
carefully placed on the pages. This publication
contains the unique intersection of the
languages of both of us. Since then, it seems
that our working processes are always
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G ORTHOF
{MARILIA PANITZ}
Marilia Panitz Good afternoon to you all.
First of all, I would like to thank Josu for
the invitation. Id like to say that, since he
called me with this provocation, the names
of G Orthof and Elida Tessler immediately
came to mind and we are having a lot of fun.
Actually, we even thought about another
project that was not Projeto Binmios; thats
why we are talking about Trinmios. We
began to talk by email and we established a
conversation between the three of us. I have
been following Gs and Elidas work closely
for some years now. We met several times
and made works in partnership since Elida
coordinated with Jailton Moreira the Torreo
space, in Rio Grande do Sul. I dont know how
many of you here got the chance to know
it, but it was a place that was extremely
important in Brazil, because it was one of
the few spaces where art was produced and
where art exhibitions were produced in an
independent way. Torreo was located in
Porto Alegre. And since then we have been in
contact, because I think that both the works
of G and Elida are very similar in many
aspects, besides the close proximity between
these two artists.
Before I start my conversation with G, I
have to say some things Elida asked me to
say, because we met at Congonhas she
was coming from Porto Alegre and G and I
from Brasilia and, since then, we have been
thinking about many things for this talk. The
first one: when Elida and I met at the airport,
she gave me a pretty red notebook whose
cover is made out of fabric and it has an
orange rubber band. Its a beautiful notebook.
And there the questions I had sent her were
written and she had been handwriting the
answers on the notebook. She said she was
doing that so that we could get to work and
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JONATHAS ANDRADE
{ANA MARIA MAIA}
Ana Maria Maia When we tried to talk in
So Paulo, I was telling you how the meeting
with the group from Ribeiro Preto has gone
and all the expectations they had, because I
noticed that many of them knew your work
and, since it would not be possible to replace
the conversation, I took the opportunity
to tell a bit about how we met and became
interlocutors; how my work and yours were
born, mostly as a result of how we provoked
each other and our friends, our colleagues
from college and as part of Portal Dois
Pontos. I remember saying that this bunch
of definitions of curatorship dont have to
me the same meaning that they are usually
given. One of them, which I find pertinent,
is this continuous dialogue kept over
time, I mean, the choice of peers that will
distinguish your work for a while. From this
comment, something came up, which I would
like to use in our first question and ask about
something that is often seen in your projects,
which is the presence of the voices of other
interlocutors, of architects, of artists, as well
as anonymous voices. And they are voices
that you, somehow, you select according to
your intuition and based on the universe of
each project. Id like to ask you to comment
on some of these projects that bring these
voices and these texts that are not yours.
Jonathas Andrade I think this has a lot to
do with the house we live in. The house thats
the house-studio and exists since 2006 with
Cristiano Lenhardt, with Priscila Gonzaga,
who married Silvan Klin, and with Cris,
Cristina Gouva, who also left So Paulo and
moved in with us. And we became a group
of five people who created and thought
together. Around that same period, I began
to understand myself as an artist and began
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JOS RUFINO
{MARCELO CAMPOS}
Marcelo Campos - As we said before during
out talk with Efrain, Jos Rufino is an artist
whom Ive known for at least ten years and
with whom I carried out many projects.
There are many approaches we can adopt to
talk about Rufinos work, like any work of art.
Here, I will summarize my observations. Just
as Efrain, Rufinos production began earlier,
but only in the 1990s, in Brazil, it became
more disseminated. Im talking about the
exhibitions, of course. It is complicated
to use the term generation, such as the
1990s generation, even though there are
some similarities. It is always curious to
observe the plurality, such as in the 1980s,
for example, when many artists painted, but
many others created videos, installations
and objects. And this group in particular,
which became closer to the previous
generation, in Brazil, is a group that to me
has a fundamental unique feature: a plural
feature in the search for and in the material
production of these works. As we saw, Efrain
produces sculptures and watercolors, and
Rufinos production is also largely related to
sculpture, and he creates engravings as well,
among others. I like to think of this group
as a group that is somehow orphan in this
training, because, back in the 1980s, there
was this tyranny of painting: whoever did
not create paintings was excluded from the
groups. They continued to produce, but we
didnt follow. And, in this, case, both artists
looked for their materialities in their own
unique way. So, the question is how this all
started and both Thiago and Efrain answered
it. It is a difficult question, because, actually,
as things are solved according to the aim
of the works, as they appear. Rufino, just as
Efrain, also creates the imbued relation of
these objects, that is, when he works with
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{JACOPO CRIVELLI VISCONTI}
Jacopo Crivelli Visconti To start our
conversation, I would like to talk about
images from smaller works. They were, in
many cases, produced in watercolor, collage,
sketches, and later became larger works. I
would also like to talk about your creative
process.
Leda Catunda Yes, in fact, people often ask
themselves where my works come from, or
why I call them paintings; actually, I also
call them object-paintings. They are built.
So, I dont have a process like arriving at the
studio and do whatever comes to mind. There
is doing whatever, because it is necessary
to prepare the images, create the structure,
and think about the construction. The
construction part is very a complex one.
Well, Ill show you: this one here is the most
recent, and it is an appropriation of plaids. I
found in front of a store, in a street of New
York, a box that contained samples of plaids
produced all over the world. This topic has
always interested me, and it is related to the
idea of appropriation. I like what other people
like. I mean, the issue of taste is basically what
guides me: what people choose to wear or to
put in their homes. I think that even in my
works from the 1980s and 90s, there was the
issue of bad taste. Some people used to say
that my work was kitsch, but I dont think in
terms of bad taste and good taste. I think that
people think emotionally when they are going
to make a choice, and this is often seen in the
case of sports materials. I began to notice that
people were using a lot of sports materials in
general, because in the old days, on Sundays,
I used to see people using nice clothes to go
to church. Sunday was the day to take a nice
shower and dress up; but, then, suddenly, you
go to the bakery on Sundays and everyone
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exhibition that was set up as if it were a restaging, but not exactly, or a tribute to this
exhibition that took place thirty years ago
and now had a re-edition at MAC-USP. How
was the process to resume this project?
LC One or two of the works displayed were
from that time. The idea was the following:
we were FAAP students back then, Regina
Silveiras students, and it was very hard to
find a place to host a show, because there
were very few galleries in So Paulo and
they only wanted established artists. There
was no chance for us to show our works in
institutions, but Aracy Amaral was at MAC
at the time and received us as Reginas
students. She was extremely generous and
offered us a space. Srgio had this idea for us
to resume painting, even though there were
no painting classes at FAAP. We used to paint
in secret. Plus, the idea that painting could
be involved in conceptual issues, as well as
in expressive and narrative issues, did not
exist. So, the exhibition was amazing for
us. We didnt expect to get the attention we
got. When we arrived there, in 1983, it was
August, MAC was crowded and the following
week the show was in Veja magazine, in Isto
magazine. We were kids. I was twenty-two
years old and, sort of simultaneously there
was the 80s generation thing, at Parque Lage,
which was a large show in Rio de Janeiro,
in 1984. And together, at the same time,
a bunch of artists
from different places,
such as Porto Alegre, Belo Horizonte, came
along and there was this movement with a
lot of people painting. There was also Casa
Sete, which was a group comprised of five
painters: Rodrigo Andrade, Nuno Ramos,
Carlito Carvalhosa, Paulo Monteiro and Fabio
Miguez. Now, when Srgio visited the new
MAC, he was in the eighth floor and said to
Tadeu Chiarelli: its the 30th anniversary of
Pintura como Meio. And, since Aracy Amaral
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REGINA PARRA
{ANA MARIA MAIA}
Ana Maria Maia Thank you. Ive already
met some of you yesterday and Im happy
to be here participating in Projeto Binmios,
which I think its extremely interesting in
its intention to create a density. Instead of
watching the work without understanding
what are the contradictions or the thinking
that leads to the creation of the work, we
are verticalizing, we are hearing the same
thought for a long time, and we are making
public a conversation that often happens
more intimately and without the company of
other people. I will start by showing a video
that was made by Regina with the award
given by Fundao Joaquim Nabuco. If I am
not mistaken, it was never shown in So Paulo
Its called 7.536 passos por uma geografia da
proximidade. Regina, who appears in the right
side corner of the video holding a portable
radio, walks five kilometers from S Square,
which is So Paulos marco zero, up to an
open market that takes place in Brs district.
In terms of kilometers, this place is not very
far from the center, but, despite the short
distance, the atmosphere and characters
we see in the destination are different from
those of the center and are not usually seen
as protagonists of narrative about So Paulo.
It is a region in Brs district where there
are many Bolivian immigrants who work in
the textile factories of Bom Retiro. Many of
them live in precarious conditions. I think it
is very symbolic to begin our conversation,
whose aim is to present Reginas artistic
thinking, by locating from where her work
stems to deal with the city, its social layers
and the confrontations that emerge and
shape it. This background image is a good
reference for us to start our talk about an
artist who increasingly dedicates her work
to the understanding of her environment, of
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And this is the key-concept of the Cartesiannag, the attempt to gather things that are,
at least to Western thinking, impossible to be
connected, which is Cartesianism, intuition
and spirituality. So, Im interested in this,
which is actually an experience. I have always
had a relation inside the nag culture, then,
with the Jeje culture. Im not a filho de santo,
but I did an altar for Ogum, so I have a certain
involvement with this world. It is a world by
which I have always been fascinated, since I
was a teenager. The way the syncretic altar
is set up. You have an image of a colonizer,
of a thing that violated several nations, the
whole world that is the image of a cross, of a
bleeding Jesus Christ, something that actually
sodomized various Indigenous and African
nations... And you see this figure next to a
mestia figure, a figure whose sign is mestio.
And there is no opposition to that. You start
a mass in Latin and then changes to a touch
of Caboclo and soon after to the gge Voduns,
which only speak Fon, which is an African
language. So, to me, it is a utopian universe.
And this the most amazing linguistic aspect
of Brazil.
JM We will resume the fictitious and
narrative aspects that exist in your painting.
This come-together of mythical values and
social-historical values, but Id like to talk to
you a little about the spatiality of the work,
not exactly regarding something derived from
a need, but thinking about a structure. You
talked about the 500th anniversary of painting
as a sort of calendar you are interested
in, isnt it? Id like to propose you to think
based on a historical information; that is, the
moment when painting uses monumentality
as an ally of whats ordinary, which occurs in
the dilemmas between Thomas Couture and
Gustave Courbet when one uses the other to
bring back monumentality to talk about whats
ordinary. Monumentality in contemporary
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EFRAIN ALMEIDA
ELIDA TESSLER
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G ORTHOF
G Orthof, Petrpolis, 1959. Ps-Doc,
School of the Museum of Fine Arts,
Tufts University, Boston; Doutorado e
Mestrado em Artes Visuais, Columbia
University. Artista e professor do
Departamento de Artes Visuais do
Instituto de Artes da UnB (graduao e
ps-graduao), onde coordena, junto
com a Profa. Karina Dias, o grupo de
pesquisa Moradas do ntimo. Desde
os anos 80 vem trabalhando com
instalaes, intervenes, performance
e desenho.
Principais Prmios: Selecionado Prmio
PIPA, MAM-RJ (2010). Grande Prmio do
24th International Artist Competition,
Berlim, (2011) e Prmio FUNARTE (2012).
Principais exposies individuais: ]
noturno [ + [ soturno ] (Galeria Alfinete,
Braslia, 2014, A pregnant cosmonaut
forgets to send a crucial message [Nordic
Drawings], (Ava Galleria, Helsinque,
2013; Ambos Mundos, (Galeria da FAV/
UFG, 2013); Centro de Arte Moderno,
Madri; School of the Museum of Fine Arts
Gallery, Boston; MAM, ARS 117, Bruxelas;
Torreo, Porto Alegre; Centro de Arte
Moderno, Buenos Aires ; Paradigmas
Arte Contempornea, Barcelona.
Coletivas: Europalia - Palais des BeauxArts de Bruxelles (2012); Galeria Gentil
Carioca, RJ; MAC So Paulo; CCBB
Braslia; Festival Performance Arte Brasil,
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JONATHAS DE
ANDRADE
JOS RUFINO
JOSU MATTOS
Josu Mattos doutorando em Teoria
da Modernidade pela UFSC e Universit
de Paris-Ouest Nanterre La Dfense.
Graduou-se em Histria da Arte e
Arqueologia pela Universit Paris X
Nanterre, onde obteve o ttulo de Mestre
em Histria da Arte Contempornea.
Em 2009, concluiu mestrado em
Prticas Curatoriais pela Universit de
Paris I Panthon-Sorbonne. Coordena,
desde 2010, o Ateli de Pesquisa em
Poticas Visuais em Ribeiro Preto (SP).
pesquisador e curador do 3C - Centro
de Criao Contempornea e editor da
Revista Binmios. Foi nomeado curador
do 1 FRESTAS Trienal de Artes, Sesc
Sorocaba (2014). Entre as exposies
que realizou a partir de pesquisas em
curadoria, destacam-se: Festival Intercambio (Espace Beaujon, Paris, 2007),
Terres et Cieux Sandra Cinto e Brgida
Baltar (Mairie du VIIIme, Paris 2009),
la limite (co-curadoria), (Galerie Michel
Journiac, Paris, 2009), 12 e 13 Salo
Nacional de Artes de Itaja, (Fundao
Cultural de Itaja, 2010 e 2013), Por aqui,
formas tornaram-se atitudes (Sesc Vila
Mariana, So Paulo, 2010), crdito
ou dbito? (SESC-SP, 2010-2011), Bote
Invaliden, (co-curadoria Paulo Reis, in
memoriam), (Invaliden Gallery, Berlim,
2011), Como o tempo passa quando a
gente se diverte, (Casa Tringulo, So
Paulo, 2011), Eu fui o que tu s e tu sers
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MARCELO CAMPOS
MARLIA PANITZ
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REGINA PARRA
Regina Parra (So Paulo, 1981) mestre
em Teoria e Crtica da Arte pela
Faculdade Santa Marcelina e bacharel
em Artes Plsticas pela Faap. Nos ltimos
anos, realizou exposies individuais no
Centro Cultural So Paulo (SP), Pao das
Artes (SP), Fundao Joaquim Nabuco
(PE), Galeria Leme (SP) e Galeria Effearte
(Milo)2012.
Entre as coletivas, destacam-se Bienal
de Vancouver 2014/2015, curadoria de
Marcello Dantas; Sights and Sounds,
curadoria de Luiza Proena e Jens
Hoffmann, no The Jewish Museum,
Nova York; Ces sem Plumas, curadoria
de Moacir dos Anjos no Museum de
Arte Moderna de Recife; Rumos Artes
Visuais 2011/2013, curadoria de Agnaldo
Farias no Ita Cultural; 17o Festival
Internacional de Arte Contempornea
SESC_Videobrasil, curadoria de Solange
Farkas no SESC Belenzinho;; Suspicious
Minds, curadoria de Cristina Ricupero
na Galeria Vermelho; A Carta da Jamaica,
curadoria de Alfons Hug no Oi Futuro do
Rio de Janeiro, Rice and Beans, curadoria
de Jacopo Visconti no Studio Trendy em
Miami, Sombra do Futuro, curadoria
de Luiza Proena no Instituto Cervantes,
Paralela 2010, curadoria de Paulo Reis e
Grupo 2000e8, curadoria de Paulo Pasta
no SESC Pinheiros.
Em 2012, foi contemplada com o
Prmio de Videoarte da Fundao
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