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Cosmologics: Key to much of your work is that surveillance is not simply a tool
to maintain security, but is far more productive. Could you expand on this,
and especially on its relevance to the formation of various identities in America?
Jasbir Puar: Much of my work on surveillance has focused on technologies of
surveillance as not only responsive and thus repressive, but also as pre-emptive
and thus productive. And many of these forms of surveillance appear in neoliberal models of security, model-minority racialization, proper modes of
masculine and feminine gender conformity, educational mandates, and
patriotic citizenship. This interest follows from Michel Foucaults basic insight
regarding regimes of security and how they operate in control societies
through an anticipatory temporality: in other words, controlling so that one
does not have to repress. Regimes of security also entail corralling greater
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More recently, Global Entry, TSA Pre, and other pay-as-you-go securitization
programs allow you to pay for your status as a non-security risk or terrorist
threat. Im very interested in these forms of pay-as-you-go surveillance systems
that neutralize you as a security risk. I think they allow for new fissures in the
informational superpanoptic to develop, as people like myself, who have
traveled, for example, to Pakistan, Lebanon, and Palestine, have nonetheless
paid to be certified as non-risky travelers. The data body, composed of
information, of qualitative and quantitative metrics, supersedes the physical
body. The data body does not replace the physical body, but cuts in front of it,
thus allowing a scrambling of class, race, and nation in particular.
Cosmologics: Writers have noted a shift in American surveillance after
September 11th which in part refocused police efforts on religious minorities.
Could you speak a little more to this shift, and perhaps place it within a wider
trajectory of surveillance in America?
Jasbir Puar: Much of the work in Terrorist Assemblages mapped out the
dissolution of public/private divides that have in the past animated feminist
scholarship regarding the state and state intrusion into the private. This
private, as women of color and transnational feminists have pointed out, has
never quite existed given the level of state bureaucratic and administrative
presence in the households of immigrants and people of color. One interest of
mine is connecting the securitization upsurge that occurred after 9/11 with the
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exactly the Lawrence decision protects is: not so much the lesbian or gay or
homosexual or queer subject, but rather one whose private home has no
reason to be suspected and is not suspicious. The construction of intimacy, as
it is anchored in the private, becomes instrumentalized within the calculus of
biopolitics, a measure of ones worth to the state.
Cosmologics: What frameworks have you found the most compelling for
understanding the experience of surveillance in ways more sensitive to lived
reality, especially given the many ways we ourselves participate in surveillance?
Jasbir Puar: I have always been bemused about the debates regarding social
media and privacy. Outrage over the intrusion of privacy practices on Facebook
and Twitter erupt with regularity. But rather than merely expressing discomfort
and nostalgia about a long-gone protected realm of the private, these debates
also obfuscate an uncomfortable truth: that Facebook taps into our innerstalker, taps into the pleasures we revel in by surveilling others and by living out
our own privates in public. There is a kind of affective, technonationalist
embrace of surveillance.
So I think there is a conversation yet to be had about pleasure and surveillance
in relation to governmentality, policing, and biopolitics. This pleasure is both
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Jasbir Puar: One tendency I have also been tracking is the move from
responsive to pre-emptive to prehensive securitization. The prehensive is a
way of thinking about calculations of risk and the functioning of surveillance
that considers more than how surveillance potentially pre-empts unwanted
outcomes through the disciplining of some as a warning to all, and through the
recruitment of the general populace in the task of watching. Rather the
prehensive is about making the present look exactly the way it needs to in
order to guarantee a very specific and singular outcome in the future.
I am most interested in how this works in Gazahow mathematical algorithms
are deployed to fix calorie intake, water supplies, and electric currents, among
other infrastructural elementsto create an asphixatory regime of control, in
which the Palestinians can breathe and not breathe according to the desires of
the Occupier/Israel. This to me seems to be yet another manifestation of
surveillance which is indebted to Foucaults regimes of security, but which also
mutates it. It is not just an attempt to eliminate unwanted entities through a
paternalistic discourse of protectionism, but an actual predictive economy that
is much more deliberate in its targeting. Gaza will be purportedly be
uninhabitable by year 2020according to whose metric, and by which
predictive, prehensive algorithms? How is this inevitability procured? The
prehensive is about putting into place a set of predictive facts-on-the-ground, in
the terms of the language of risk, which extends itself to a projected
apocalypse. This set of constructed facts then lends itself easily to the
representation of Gaza as a natural disaster likely to happen. This kind of
surveillance, in the name not only of securitization but also of controlling the
future, is one, I believe, with which we will increasingly have to grapple.
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