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PRESENTATION OF THE

DOCTRINE OF TRINITY
By Vladimir Susic

WHO ARE THE BELIEVERS IN THIS


DOCTRINE

Well,of course,the first followers of Christ,his apostles,the disciples of


his apostles and the early Chruch,when we look at Todays
Denominations,we see that over 98% of those who claim to be
Christian believe in this doctrine,I will list some of the most attended
Chruches in the World.
The Catholic Church
The Eastern Orthodox Church(Including the Copts)
Assyrian Church
Most Protestant denominations
(Of course,not all of The Churches are listed here)
In this presentation I will also seek to show why Trinitarian
interpretation of The Scripture is the only valid one.

The Statement of Belief

The Statement of The Belief in The Trinity is found


in The Niceno-Constantinopolean Creed and the
Athanasian Creed.

We can see some the Chruch Fathers stating the


Belief ,like for example Justin The Martyr in 150
A.D. Ignatius too,who is an Apostolic Father,a
disciple of John,in 107 A.D.

It was defended at the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D.


against the Arian heresy,but more on that later.

Short Definition

Since both of the Creeds stated in the previous


slide are way too long to post,I will sum it up in
a very short sentence,then explain each part of
it.

There is one God in whom are three eternal,


distinct, simultaneously existing persons--the
Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy
Spirit. All three are the one God, coeternal,
coequal.

Explanation Part 1

As stated previously,we believe in exactly ONE GOD.(Isaiah


44:6,Deutoronomy 6:4,4:35,James 2:19,1 Corinthians 8:6 etc.)

We believe that This ONE GOD is Tri-Personal,that is,he exists as 3


Persons.(Matthew 28:19,John 20:28,1 Corinthians 8:6,Psalm 139:7 etc.)

To explain this,I will look at us,humans.


We,exists as one person that is,one MIND,one Consciousness,so one
person is one consciousness.

I am conscious as Vladimir,I,the person of Vladimir,control my,HUMAN body.

The same way is in the Trinity,only that there are 3 Persons,3 Minds that
control this -Divine Spiritual Body-(John 4:24),They are The Father,The
Son and The Holy Spirit,3 Persons yet One God.

Explanation Part 2

These 3 persons are Always in perfect Agreement,for


they are indeed One God.
Neighter of these persons is older than another,They
have all existed for eternity,none of Them are mightier
than Another,they are again,the same Almighty God.
However one person might choose to submit itself to
another in perfect agreement so that an Action can be
performed,for example,Jesus came in the world as a
Human and therefore chose,as a perfect human
should,to submit to the Father.

Distinction-Arianism,Semi
Arianism,Sabellianism and why these
doctrines are invalid

The belief in the Trinity must be distincted from Arianism,Semi-Arianism


and Sabellianism,also known as Oneness Pentacostalism.

Arianism is NOT TO BE CONFUSED with Semi-Arianism,the belief that


JWs hold onto.

Arians believe that There are 3 Divine Persons of One God,The Father
The Son and The Holy Spirit,however The Father and The Son,and
perhaps even the Spirit according to some are not Homousias(of the
same nature) but HomouIsias(of similar nature) They Also believe that at
one point in time The Son (and again,The Holy Spirit according to some
Arians) were created and Then God created the Heavens and The
Earth.

Arianism-INVALID

Not only that this doctrine is a plain insult to our Eternal Lord Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit but is also plain and
simple Polytheism.

You cannot claim that there exist one God if that God is not one Divine Spirit (John 4:24) but 3 distinct,similar divine
bodies,simply does not work,Indeed,they can all be divine,however,they are 3 divine bodies,not one.
It was refuted by Athanasius,the champion defender of The Trinity at the Council of Nicea.

Arianism is Also Clearly scripturaly invalid.


They believe that The Father and the Son are both Yahweh,hmm,ok,but What does Yahweh claim?
Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am
the last; and beside me there is no God.

The Lord is eternal,the first and the last. They rightfuly believe that Jesus is The Angel of The Lord of The OT.
Ok,great,but they just signed their death sentence here,what does The Angel say in Exodus 3:14? Exodus 3:14 And
God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent
me unto you.

Hmm,Ego Eimi HO ON,I am that I am,the statement of ETERNALITY,interesting,here are some more devastating
things for Arianism.

Psalms 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even
from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

God exists eternaly,from everlasting to everlasting,Arianism just invalidated itself by claiming that Jesus is Yahweh
yet claiming that he is not eternal. Refutation of Semi Arianism will Also Apply to Arianism.

Semi Arianism-Belief

Semi Arians believe that Father is the only person that is YHWH,they
believe that The HS is not a person but a manifestation of power(The
HSs personhood will be defended later) of The Father and that The
Son is not God but a first created being of God who then created all
things. They are an offshoot of Arianism.

They have gigantic problems in claiming this.


Christ clearly said in John 8:24-I said therefore unto you, that ye shall
die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins.

If they believe not that Christ is indeed the I AM,the everlasting


God,they will die in their sins.

But here I will present a Standard Trinitarian refutation of Semi Arianism


that has haunted them ever since they started spewing their lies,and
will haunt them until they turn to truth.

Semi Arianism-INVALID,Devastating
Refutation

The devastating refutation of Semi Arianism comes from Isaiah 44:24,where it says- Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed
thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Here,in this verse we see that YAHWEH is they one who ALONE created the Heavens and The Earth,NOT that he created someone to create
them.

They can eighter Accept that Christ is GOD or say that he did not create The Heavens and The Earth,which would Require denial of the NT,so
they are cut down by one verse.
Most far any Semi Arian has gotten in trying to refute this argument is Greg Stafford who tried to assert that Isaiah 44:24 is stating that God
created everything alone,that is,without any idols helping him,because of the verse 9,where it says They that make a graven image are all of
them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed.

However he is doomed,because already as stated his interpretation is very weak,but is destroyed once we look at Job 9:8-9 -Which ALONE
spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea. Which doeth great things past finding out; yea, and wonders without
number. -Where without any context of idols the same thing is stated,so our interpretation that God indeed shows his power in that he creates
all things ALONE,he needs no helper,that he is much greater than any idol who cannot create anything,let alone create evertything is valid. So
clearly,in 2 different contexts same thing is stated,Semi Arianism is destroyed,God Alone is The Creator,not God and someone he Created. So
what do we get here when we look at The NT?

Now lets put a final nail in the coffin of Semi Arianism,3 more verses,2 from OT,one from NT.
146:5-6 Happy is he that hath the God of Jacob for his help, whose hope is in the LORD his God: Which made heaven, and earth, the sea,
and all that therein is: which keepeth truth for ever:

Hmm,so it is YAHWEH,who creates the Heavens and The Earth,AND ALL IN THEM,ok,keeping in mind that God did this ALONE,lets see
what Jesus does,according to Paul,what does Jesus Do?
Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or
dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Wait,they dont believe Jesus is Yahweh? HAHAHA-DECIMATED

Sabellianism-INVALID

Sabellianism as known to the Early Chruch Fathers and Oneness Pentacostalism as known to us today
is a belief that 3 Persons of The Trinity,The Father,The Son and The Holy Spirit,are not in fact 3 persons
but The Same person(mind) of One God that only manifests itself in 3 different Forms.

This belief was decimated by The Early Chruch Father Tretullian in his Against Praxeas.

It is refuted plainly in the Bible where we have even Before The Creation,2 persons facing
eachother,remember,Their belief is that ONE PERSON,takes different forms when needed,for humans.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God(kai ho logos EN PROS ton
theon,literally,and the Word was FACE TO FACE with God), and the Word was God. So if creation takes
place in the verse 3,why does God already take a form of Logos and face HIMSELF??? In the verse
one?
In John 8 Jesus reasons with The Jews,he says, John 8:14-18 Jesus answered and said unto them,
Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye
cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go. Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. And yet if I judge,
my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. It is also written in your law,
that the testimony of two men is true. I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me
beareth witness of me.

So here 2 PERSONS bear Testimony,THE FATHER AND THE SON,One person cannot bear witness of 2
persons,in fact Jesuses entire justification is because there is someone else that bears witness of him,his
Judgement is true because of that,one witness can not be 2 witnesses,yet Christ says that HE and HIS
FATHER are 2 witnesses,oneness pentacostalism obliterated. Effectivly here,eighter Christ is a liar and
only bears witness of himself,or they are wrong,well,they are wtong.

Biblical Unitarianism

These people believe that Father is Only Person that is God,that Jesus is just an oridinary human and that HS is an active
force of The Father and not a Person Himself.

Apsolutely blasphemous.
First lets prove that HS is a person.
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Hmm,well we can not grieve an active force,we can only grieve A PERSON,a conscious PERSON and in that they are
done,however,lets demonstrate through interaction of HS that he is not just an active force,but a true person in all its glory.
Romans 8:26-27 In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the
Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of
the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
Woah,woah,woah,Not only do we see the Trinity here,but utter refutation of the position that HS is not A person.
So HS intercedes for us in prayer,To God the Father,well,if he is just an active force,how does he intercede,intercession
here means that The HS PARYS FOR US,how can an active FORCE pray?NO A PERSON CAN PRAY!
But not only that,here we see that HS HAS A MIND,WHAT??? HS HAS A MIND!!!! Well Person=Mind so there goes their
position.
But not only that,here we see 3 Persons,He who searches the hearth(Jesus) The HS and The Father,whos is this will. But
wait,why would Paul even MENTION that Jesus knows The Mind of the Spirit if the Spirit is just an active force that has no
mind. Hehehehe
We wont even discuss the Divinity of Jesus here since it is more than Clear from the previous parts of this Presentation and
from other presentations that I made.

Sum Up

We Believe in One God .(Isaiah 44:6,Deutoronomy


6:4,4:35,James 2:19,1 Corinthians 8:6 etc.)

He is Tripersonal,that Is There are 3 minds and yet only


one Divine Spiritual Body.(Matthew 28:19,John 20:28,1
Corinthians 8:6,Psalm 139:7 etc.)

It is the only Valid Biblical position to take

Any one that does not accept it is bound to go to hell for


They Eighter call Jesus a Liar or Deny his Words and The
Words of His Apostiles

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