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08/22/2011 9:12 AM
Dear friends,
We tested Tan Delta test on a 6 KV HT Motor. We got the following readings at different
voltages,
Voltage
(kV)
CAPACITANCE (nF)
1.2
3.2
130.82
1.8
3.24
130.82
2.4
3.33
130.98
2.9
3.79
131.73
3.4
4.62
133.17
Motor Details:
KW: 275KW
KV: 6KV
Manuf. Year: 2008
The tested party said that these readings indicate partial discharge. We don't have any
spare motor for this. Kindly suggest these readings really indicate serious Partial
discharge???
If we run the motor it will fail? Or it will take long time to fail??
#2 "Re: Tan Delta Test on 6KV HT Motor" by TonyS on 08/22/2011 9:21 AM (score
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#5 "Re: Tan Delta Test on 6KV HT Motor" by rsbarve on 08/23/2011 1:01 AM (score
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TonyS
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08/22/2011 9:21 AM
If you don't have a spare what choice do you have? You run it and
get a spare sorted quickly. If you can leave it shut down then you've
all the time in the world, until you need it in a hurry!
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08/22/2011 10:59 PM
leveles
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08/22/2011 11:24 PM
rsbarve
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08/23/2011 1:01 AM
Cannot give a specific answer. However , some thoughts below1) Assuming that the voltage was between line and earth, you have
already reached near phase voltage 3468V which is likely to happen
with earthed neutral system. So less problem in analysis and also
with the motor if it is the case.
2) Take heart! Does not appear too bad as various factors are
involved in diagnosis. One of them is the insulation system used.
Older systems have higher tan delta on which IEC allowed
approx.4.5 % at rated voltage. Olehvi & levles are right and you
should have report of condition on new motor for better
understanding.Otherwise, check the system used and results of
same make from same manufacturer.
3) The tip up of current is not bad.They must have stopped further
testing due to limitation on bridge to have more than 150/200 mA
current. If the readings at rated voltage do not shoot up, there is
less probability of catastropic failure.
4)Also tip up of tan delta between 20 % & approx 60 % rated
voltage is not too bad considering that you cannot test a complete
motor with guard rings at the ends of each coil. Most probably, the
manufacturer must have used a stress grading tape at the end of the
coils which increase tip up.
5) Cleaner and dry 0verhang can improve tan delta if the windings
are found contaminated with conducting dust.
pl keep posted if further investigations and actions taken
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08/23/2011 6:15 AM
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ARUN DOGRA
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09/15/2011 5:05 AM
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AS YOU KNOW THE TAN DELTA TEST ALSO CALLED LOSS ANGLE OR
DISSIPATION FACTOR TESTING , IS A DIAGNOSTIC METHOD OF
TESTING MOTOR WINDINGS INSULATION QUALITY. IF THE
INSULATION IS GOOD, FREE FROM DEFECTS LIKE WATER TREE,
ELECTRICAL TREE, MOISTURE AND AIR POCKETS ETC THE WINDING
APPROACHES THE PROPERTY OF A PERFECT CAPACITOR. IF THERE
ARE IMPURITIES IN THE INSULATION, THE RESISTANCE OF
INSULATION DECREASES, RESULTING THE INCREASE IN RESISTIVE
CURRENT THROUGH THE INSULATION. THE CURRENT AND VOLTAGE
WILL NO LONGER BE 90 DEGREE OUT OF PHASE AND THE
DIFFERENCE IN OUT OF PHASE (FROM PEFECT POSITION OF 90
DEGREE) IS THE INDICATIVE LEVEL OF INSULATION
CONTAMINATION/DETEORIATION. THIS IS CALLED TAN DELTA.
ANALYSIS OF READINGS THE READINGS SHALL BE ANALYSED IN
REFERENCE TO THE MANUFACTURER RESULTS/DESIGN RESULTS.
THE INCREASING TREND W.R.T INCREASING TEST VOLTAGE AND BY
AGAING GIVES THE INDICATION OF FUTURE FAILURE. NORMALY
THE VALUE SHOULD BE BELOW .03 RADIAN (3%) HOWEVER THE
INTERPRETATION SHALL BE CONCLUDED ON CHECKING PD,PI,
DELTA C , DC LEAKAGE CURRENT & SURGE TEST ALSO. REGARDS
AKD
mohanlal (Electrical)
(OP)
9 Jan 06 06:18
The generator / motor winding power factor or tan delta test was carried out for the 3.3 KV
equipments. The generator ratings are 8.0 MW & motor ratings are from 175 KW to 1600 KW.
The test referred to as Tip-up test is performed at a number of levels of voltage from 25% to
100% of line to ground voltage to obtain the PF vs voltage chs. PF Tip up value is defined as the
difference between the PF
measured at the line to ground voltage and the PF measurred at teh lowest voltage in the test
range (usually 25% of the line to ground voltage.)
The double system includes online DTA expert condition evaluation software,which evaluates and
rates the dielectric condition of the insulation tested
from the test results by comparison against the limits of PF of reliable winding insulation of
units of identical make, type, and ratings with the unit tetsed as well as against previous test