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The Deen Show Host: Bismillah Alhumdolillah Assalamoalikum Peace Be with you greetings of
peace to everybody all around the world who is tuned into the Deen Show. Your friend might
have told you about the Deen Show your family member, your cousin, your neighbor and you
tuned in because you heard that they talk about serious issues, purpose of life, where you come
from, where are you going to when you die ; a crucial question that all of us should be asking
because death is a reality and we dont want to take this life as a joke. This is not a joke. So we
have our next special guest who has been with us before Nouman Ali Khan in the Deen Show to
discuss some very serious issues that are on the minds of all people regarding baseball, football,
clubs, night clubs, dance and all these other things distracting us. Is that the way to go? Is that the
way to have peace and happiness in life or is there more to life? Find out answers to all these
questions and more. We come back here on the Deen Show. We will be right back.
The Deen Show Host: Peace Be on to you Assalamoalikum.
Nouman Ali Khan: Walaikumassalam. Peace Be on to you as well.
The Deen Show Host: Its good to have you back here again on the Deen Show.
Nouman Ali Khan: To be here. You are actually here.
The Deen Show Host: Alhumdolillah the Bayyinah Institute.
Nouman Ali Khan: Alhumdolillah.
The Deen Show Host: We talked about it in our first show about the institute that you have,
teaching people the Arabic language. Are you teaching people how to be an Arab or why are you
teaching them Arabic?
Nouman Ali Khan: Well yeah people should be Arabs all of them. No No No. We are trying to
learn Arabic language as best as we can here to be able to study the Quran and actually even
beyond that studying Islam more in depth.
The Deen Show Host: Okay. Before we get in to that we need to scare some people off because
some people when they hear Islam, they get turned away so we want to start off with some baby
steps .When people hear about Brad Pitt they want to know about his gold fish or what Jalen
Rose is doing. You know facebook, fifty cents.
Nouman Ali Khan: Wait Brad Pitt has a gold fish?
The Deen Show Host: No I am just saying that if it was then they would want to know. What is
the purpose of life? This is a crucial question and we should be asking this question. Why is it
important to ask a question or reflect about the purpose of life and where you are going when
you die? Why is it so important?
Nouman Ali Khan: You know its Most people dont ask themselves that question and I am
very happy at the institute that we have people that have made such a big sacrifice in life , trying
and studying here; leaving careers and having put their studies on hold ,convinced their families
of making this sacrifice which is actually in it and itself a proof that they have a very clear
picture of what their purpose in life is . May Allah accept these kinds of efforts from them and
especially the youth that are here. But you know this question is not something that everybody
cares to ask about because the answer is difficult and the answer requires a lot of change in ones
lifestyle. Right. So its something that really on ones own time if Allah blesses somebody if God
blesses somebody to have the conscious mind to think and to put break on everything else in life
and just stop and think. This question will lead us to some very serious consequences and some
very serious changes in life but as important as this question is it is probably the most ignored
question in most peoples lives.
The Deen Show Host: Why does everything else seems more important than the Creator? What
HE wants us to do? You know these things are just like for some people just fairy tales. You
know their parents told them. You know for some people for many people baseball is more
important you know. Who want the super ball? What that girl is wearing? What that boy is
saying? All these things that really at the end of the day is like a false reality that people have
created that is really a false perception of life. Why are people are more entertained by that
instead of these more important topics that we are talking about?
Nouman Ali Khan: I think to some extent all of us are like that to some extent. And its hard to
avoid things that are happening around us in the world. But basic thing ; you know the basic
matter boils down to what you can see and what you cant . When we talk about God, the
Creator, the Sustainer, the Provider, we talk about the afterlife and we talk about ones purpose in
life and where they are going after they go into the ground and all these sorts of things ; these are
all matters of not the seen but the unseen. People actually do not see the consequences of things
like not praying or things like eating whatever they want or saying whatever they want. They
dont see those consequences right away . And people who even warn them about these things
tell them that the real consequences of these things are coming much later. So if somebody lies
right now their tongue does not get cut off. Somebody does something wrong they do not see the
impact of their action right away unless they are like robbing the bank and the cop shows up or
something you know. So you dont see the consequences of your action in this life immediately.
And that is another reason to procrastinate , to put it off and this is a part of human nature in
some sense. We love to work on things that have immediate rewards and we like to put things off
which have long term rewards. I mean I can give you a simpler example than just religion. You
know you have a workout program you have a diet program and if you stay on this program for
60 days or 90 days or 6 months then you will lose these many pounds then you will feel much
better about yourself etc. You work out the first day, the second day you see the results or no?
You dont .You work for a week you see results? Not really. You go for a month you barely see
any results. What most people will do? The goal is way too far away out there. People have
become so accustomed to get the results right away. Anything that is even a little bit long term
we say its not for me/ give me a short cut /give me something else . The things that you made
reference to ; entertainment , different kinds of partying and all these kinds of stuff. What is this?
This instills gratification. I want something to happen for me and it is happening right away. I
dont want to wait for it to happen and this is at the heart of the problem. You know the human
problem of not having enough patience and wanting to go. Just thinking now live in the moment
and these are actually the advertising taglines on which millions of dollars are spent on Live in
the moment you only live once ; obey your thirst whatever right?. These are the people that
get PhDs in marketing and come up with these small taglines which actually become
philosophies for people to live. I have friends whose probably the whole life you can summarize
as if they obey their thirst. That is all that's there,just a spirit walking around. You know thats
what they are. So what we have to instill in to ourselves, into the company around us and slowly
around our friends and people that we know is this idea that there is more to life than just these
immediate pleasures that you are pursuing that leave you empty anyway.
The Deen Show Host: We are trying to just jump around because time is short and hopefully one
of the things that we discussed will resonate to some people. Some people will be able to relate
to one thing rather than another like the letter that we got that we discussed on the show from a
sister who got caught off guard and got lit away and she was hypnotized by the guy ,remember
that letter? And she was asking for advice what to do. Give her some wonderful advice (and
through her to many others by the Permission of Allah). So lets talk about the sisters a little and
our sisters in humanity who now at times , instead of seeking attention from the Creator of the
Heavens and the Earth are seeking attention from the boys. So instead of wearing more they are
wearing less. And you see one person came out to me and said man I just saw my family
member on facebook and I could not believe it how do I talk about it or do some kind of show. I
consider this video because when I saw her she was like this and everything was off . I knew her
when she was 13 14 and now lets give her name Jazz okay. So Jazz is like this and it appears
like this or the other. And this man is like man I feel so sad in the heart because he knows that
she is going to get by the wolves. Man is out for one thing he is hungry and she is going to be
just a captive enslaved and a prisoner that is out there in this scandalized society.
Nouman Ali Khan: My advice to my sisters is complicated and its difficult for me to talk about
it especially because I am a father and I have four daughters myself and my daughters are getting
bigger and bigger actually ten years old running around here somewhere. And it is something I
think and worry about a lot.
The Deen Show Host: It is scary.
Nouman Ali Khan: Oh yeah it is very scary but we have to one of the things that our religion
anchors us in is to not get caught up in to symptoms and to understand the disease.
The Deen Show Host: Understand the disease.
Nouman Ali Khan: Yeah. And so like the way somebody dresses ,the way somebody talks, his
behavior; these are all symptoms. That is not targeting the disease. So for instance, some of the
viewers may have teenage kids that were brought up religiously and then they hit a certain point
in life and then they just became a different person all of a sudden and now you cant control
how your daughter dresses or where your son goes and things like that and now you try to get the
Imam to give Khutbah about how important hijab is how important good company is and but
those things ; they just fall on deaf ears .why? because you are trying to target a symptom and
you are not addressing the disease. The disease is something that cant be discovered without
conversation especially with Muslim youth. Muslims are kind of off the beaten path in youth.
Cant even sometime tell if they are Muslims or not they way they dress. It is really easy to pass
judgment and its really hard to slow down and sit each of these people down and actually have a
heart to heart conversation and say whats going on. Why do you think this is the good way to go
and you will hear things like I can do whatever I want , I am a free person and you cant tell me
what to do and you will hear all these arguments and we should actually respectfully hear those
arguments and try to address each one of them one at a time. And they should be addressed this
way. One of the biggest phenomenon that atleast I have seen amongst Muslim sisters who have
left a modest lifestyle and have chosen a different way of living One of the most common
things that I have seen is isolation; they have low self esteem; there were people constantly
putting them down. In some cases ,actually recently ,I saw a father telling his daughter that she is
too ugly nobody is going to marry her and this is the father a dauhter; I mean the place where
you are supposed to gain your self esteem is the place your self esteem is being destroyed . Then
there are matters of feeling judged like you know everybody has good days and bad days right.
So she had a bad day and she doesnt wear her hijab and all the sisters around her bounced on her
,what you are doing this is so wrong etc. And she says that these people are so judgmental and
she distances herself from what have been a good company anyway . We dont want to just tell
them that they are doing something wrong ; most of them already know thats wrong. Our
purpose is not to judge but our purpose is to find ways to soften hearts and to bring them back.
We do want to be honest about the message I dont want to water down the conversation but at
the same time we have to first feel for these people and especially their families to not be
impatient and impulsive. Make time for these people and dont cut them off they are already cut
off enough you know.
The Deen Show Host: We still have to love. We got to love. Thats what we are doing. We love
them dont we?
Nouman Ali Khan: Yes of course
The Deen Show Host: Thats why we are sharing because we care.
The Deen Show Host: Tell us now can men and women, can boys and girls can they be friends?
Can the girl like have this confidence that look I am just going to hang out with the guy and you
know the girls are jealous of me. You know he will give me prom. He is nice to me actually he
praises me he is always telling me sweet things he is so nice you know. I am going to do nothing
with him we are just hanging out. Can this happen?
Nouman Ali Khan: It cannot happen its happening thats for sure. It should not happen that is
also for sure.
The Deen Show Host: But they are going to be like we are just friends. They are going to stay
like that. Can boys and girls be just friends?
Nouman Ali Khan: No. Boys know that all too well. They wont admit it but they know it very
well. Sometimes girls dont and thats what I worry about for my sisters, my daughters that
sometimes they dont realize the elaborate scheming of men.
Nouman Ali Khan: Yeah and I said Dude What do you want to do? You want to marry her? Then
talk to her parents. Go. But there is already another proposal and I think she likes the guy or
something and I dont feel like life is worth living anymore. So I was like okay here is the first
thing that you can do go and tell your parents. And he is like 21 or 22 years old and I told him go
and tell your parents. And he was like no I cant!! theyll kill me!!. And I said okay. So u cant
live without her and you are not getting up to tell your parents. No. Why were you spending so
much time with her? I just liked her. She was the real friend. She used to listen to me.. All this
stuff
Look if you go around did you know religiously what you were doing was wrong? Going out
with her, sitting and eating fries with her at McDonalds is wrong. You knew that or not? Yeah.
Well now you know why Allah says dont do it because it hurts you know. There are
consequences of this in the akhira but emotionally people get scarred. People get really messed
up and they dont realize the price they pay emotionally even in this world.
I would argue even its not fair to the people that these kinds of individuals will eventually marry
because they are not emotionally attached purely to the person they marry. Their mind is
somewhere else and they are reminiscing about somebody else and its not fair to another person
so even from an emotional point of view its unfair you know. The other thing is in this culture of
dating and seeing somebody, then leave that one and go date another one; you just learn to
become insensitive to other peoples feelings and at the end of the day you just turn into a
customer looking out for yourself. First time a guy gets dumped he is depressed the next time he
is like I am going to be the one doing dumping you know. So he is just like I better not hurt
myself rather be dishing out and taking So you just become more and more inhumane and that
leaves you incapable of having a family because at the heart of a family is love and compassion
and courtesy and worrying about somebody else .You become bankrupt in those feelings as a
result of these petty and shallow relationships.
The Deen Show Host: Absolutely. Did you get to see a video that not yet some Muslims made
and we say not yet Muslims because everyone has the potential to submit to the one Creator and
not HIS creation and that is what a Muslim is. So they did some video on a college campus and
the topic was can boys and girls be friends. Did you get a chance to see this video?
Nouman Ali Khan: No No I didnt see it.
The Deen Show Host: And they were interviewing and saying hey what do you think that can
you just be to the guys can you just be friends with the girls and just like in the end no and its
very interesting video. So they see its not coming from our perspective but it is obvious truth.
The Deen Show Host: Couple of things that I just want to mention before we close.
Nouman Ali khan: Yeah.
The Deen Show Host: When I asked you about Bayyinah and before that for the because we
really catered to those who know nothing about the purpose of life.
Nouman Ali Khan: Yeah.
The Deen Show Host: Or out there. Some sister might just have came back home and you know
look we keep it real on the Deen Show . So she has come back and our show caught her late at
night and she is coming from the strip club she is the striper. The guy is coming from a night
club he is smoking weed he is drinking bamboos and now they just tuned in. They watch a
couple of shows and they like this idea of just worshiping the Creator and not His Creation. They
begin to fall sick of their lust and desires. They want to change their lives but they dont know
from where to start. What advice do you have in just in short?
Nouman Ali Khan: The I mean the fact that they are making time to watch a show like this is
a very good sign.
The Deen Show Host: Good sign.
Nouman Ali Khan: Yeah its a very good sign that goodness lies in their hearts and the first
starting point would be for any person that immersed in a lifestyle like that, that you should not
look what you have done already in the past and you say that its too late for me. There is no
such thing as too late ; There is way that you yesterday could determine what your tomorrow
was going to be. You should not let it be the case. Also dont let your friends and the people
around you, determine who you are. You are your own man you are your own woman. You just
cant say everybody surround me is a certain way therefore I have to be this way and this is all
what I know of. Thats not what who you are. You are greater than all of those things. You are
created for a higher purpose than all of those things. Making time just for reflection, making
time for pursuing searching more, making time to seek out people that can teach you better is
probably the first big step anybody can take. If you can find, for example, a local mosque to go
and ask some questions, send you questions so you can connect them to people that may be in
that area because that needs to happen. To tap into actually living resources , to ask questions
about the religion and things like that would be the next healthy step. It would be a good step in
the right direction and one thing at a time but really you should not assume that first of all
take the matter seriously as you keep saying its an urgent matter it shouldnt wait so if you are
blessed enough to at least be exposed to something about the message at least give it some more
time and some more resource and find out if it really is the right thing and if it is the right thing
for you. And the second is to give it to dont put this off because you dont know how long
you and I are going to be around so that we can take proactive action.
The Deen Show Host: Okay in the last minute that we have , tell us about your organization, the
Bayyinah Institute.
Nouman Ali Khan: Bayyinah Institute is a complicated organization which Ill simplify it for
you. The point of it is two things the vision of it was to make Arabic easy for Muslims to study
and for Quran to be made easy for Muslims to study. The point the original purpose of it was to
facilitate that education for Muslims in America that was the original goal. Alhumdolillah slowly
it is expanding around the world. As the growth of the organization grew so did some of its goals
so that its not just an introductory education in Arabic and an introductory education in the
Quran but actually now the moment we are sitting in the campus is actually now we are having
pretty advanced program in Arabic and Alhumdolillah it is the only one of its kind in America
where our students are studying for a little over nine months full time and they are studying the
Arabic language and In shaa Allah Taala as best as I and my colleagues can teach it ; so that
they have a very good sound grounded understanding of the language; enough that they can read
the Quran or read Hadith and read the Arabic language or the Islamic text in their original form
without translation and understand them in depth.
The Deen Show Host: ThieBayyinah word is taken from the Quran.
Nouman Ali Khan: The Bayyinah is word of Quran and the way the Prophet (saw) thats the
Hadith right. So that they can have the first hand taste of that because you know something is
always lost in translation and some beauty and some depth is always missing and so the point of
this training is to give students the power to, at least taste some of that depth for themselves and
then the idea actually one of the first expressions that I taught in the program this year I want to
share with you is Ill give you a small example and I will conclude. You are passing by and you
see a well and you are not that thirsty back in the day obviously now a days nobody will look
into a well but back in the day you kept passing by a well. You dont think twice. you go on.
Then somebody else passes by and says that maybe I should have a look so they take a little like
they dip a finger and they taste it a little and they realize this is actually a well and the water in it
is the water from paradise from heaven its incredible it is nothing like they have tasted ever
before. Now if you had a little taste what you want to do?
The Deen Show Host: Want more.
Nouman Ali Khan: You want to get more. The guy who never got the first taste to begin with,
what will he do? Just go on his way he would not even think twice. The point here is you know
to give students a little bit of the taste and if I can do that successfully and my colleagues can do
that well then what they will want to do? They will take the second and the third on their own.
The Deen Show Host: Absolutely.
Nouman Ali Khan: And the people who never embark on this journey wouldnt ever know what
they are missing on. So this the beauty of this language and the beautiful book that Allah has
given us. The more we explore it the more beautiful we find it.
The Deen Show Host: So people can find you at Bayyinah.com ?
Nouman Ali Khan: bayyinah.com
The Deen Show Host: Thank you once again and may the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth
may reward you for being with us.
Nouman Ali Khan: Thank you for coming and we are really happy to have you here
Alhumdolillah and these students are happy to see you and in Shaa Allah we will get time to
interact with you afterwards also.
The Deen Show Host: In shaa Allah. Thank you very much. And thank you sincerely for being
with us here on the Deen Show. Its not too late until death comes. Death is a reality so take this
moment that you have in life the God Almighty has given you and do what the God Almighty
wants from you. Ask him for the guidance. HE sent messengers throughout the mankind to guide
humanity and they came with the guidance. The last and final messenger for mankind the
Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H. Its all there. it has been preserved and saved. Quran the word of
God is a blueprint for mankind but if you dont know then how you are going to live it and if you
dont ask how should I receive so do it right now call on God alone not HIS creation we dont
need 999 from you to send you genie in the bottle to send you some lucky charm. No. we just
need you to ask the Creator simple request God guide me guide me guide me and HE will
facilitate away. Give us a call upon 1800662 Islam if you have few other questions. We will see
you next time if God wills. Until then peace be with you.