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A few very useful exercises...

e-4--3--4---2---4---1---4-----4----4----4----4----4----4----4----|
B-------------------------4-----3----2----1----------------------|
G----------------------------------------------4-----3----2----1-|
D----------------------------------------------------------------|
A----------------------------------------------------------------|
E----------------------------------------------------------------|
e----4----4----4----4----4----4----4----4----4----4----4----4----4|
B-----------------------------------------------------------------|
G-----------------------------------------------------------------|
D-----4-----3----2-----1------------------------------------------|
A---------------------------4----3---2----1-----------------------|
E----------------------------------------------4-----3----2---1---|
Exercise 1
Use downsroke for all "4"s on first string and upstrokes for all remaining notes.
Exercise 2
Use upstroke for all "4"s on first string and downstrokes for remaining notes.
**Be sure to get used to both exercises and not just one of them.
Will post more of them as soon as I tab 'em.
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12-10-2006, 12:34 PM

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e----------------12----------------|
B-12---13---15-------15---13-------|
G----------------------------------|(to be played as a continous loop
D----------------------------------| without pausing)
A----------------------------------|
E----------------------------------|

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e-------------------12------12-----------|
B----12---13---15-------15-----15---13---|
G----------------------------------------|(loop without pausing)
D----------------------------------------|
A----------------------------------------|
E----------------------------------------|
e-------------------12---14---15--14--15---14--12----12----------|
B---12---13---15----------------------------------15----15--13---|
G----------------------------------------------------------------|
D----------------------------------------------------------------|
A----------------------------------------------------------------|
E----------------------------------------------------------------|
(loop without pausing)

The exercise is to begin with a downstroke and continuosly alt it with an


upstroke.
All the exercises are realtively simple,the trickiest thing in all exercises is
to get the "12" on the first string as an upstroke.Be sure to do that right.
Please begin slowly and gradually increase the pace.If you begin at a rapid
pace you may unknowingly hit "12" on the first string as a downstroke.
First try individual exercises and then play all of them together as if it were
one complete song.
Of course in addition to these exercises you must keep practising alternate
picking in all scales and spiders and exercises you play.
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@anshphenomenon...thanx for the reps.


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Hi all,
Here is my contribution to the art of guitar strumming. I must here
congratulate Bandbaaja for the excellent work in helping people
understand strumming better. I firmly urge people to read the threads
below to better understand strumming. I know there could be other
threads too in the forum. However, I haven't gone through all the posts
yet; so for now, check these out:
http://www.indianguitartabs.com/showthread.php?t=6047
http://www.indianguitartabs.com/arch...hp/t-5446.html
http://www.indianguitartabs.com/arch...hp/t-5714.html
The heart of music is time. Be it a single instrument, a singer, group of
singers, or a group of instruments--all are bound by time to start, stop,
fade, or to renter the musical composition based on time. Tabala and
Mridangam are primarily used to keep time in Indian music; while the
drum is generally used to keep time in rock and other forms of western
music. The guitar provides not only the time but also provides the partial
melody along with the time. Thus the sound of the chord gives the
melody part while the strumming provides the timing.
DRUMS
I digress a little bit from the main path to introduce a little bit about
drums, which would help beginners understand the concept better. The
biggest drum is the bass drum, the one which has the pedal and which the
drummer kicks to produce the sound. It is the same drum which is used to
accompany marching. The cymbal makes a sort of clanging noise. It is
the one which is shaped like a plate and towers over the drum set. The
other drum stroke you here is made by the snare drum (not as loud as the
bass drum. This drum in India is also sometimes referred to as the "tomtom."
When I refer to the bass drum I shall call that stroke "kick"; the cymbal
"chick"; and the snare drum as "snare" or "tom."

Measuring time
4/4
This is the easiest time with each stroke falling on a quarter note. Now let
us assume that our whole note has a duration of 2 seconds. So each
quarter note therefore will be half a second. So for each quarter note
count a number. So as you count one number every half second "1-2-3-4"
the drummer might play, kick-chick-tom-chick. This is also called "the
common time Represented with a C.
3/4
This is actually a misnomer. In this rhythm, there are 3 strokes and
actually should be called 3/3. Anyway, the experts have labeled it 3/4 so
we go that way. So as you count one number every half second, 1-2-3, the
drummer plays kick-tom-tom. Duration of each cycle will be one-and-ahalf seconds. Are you lost? So am I!
6/8
In this rhythm as you count 1 number every half second, you will be
counting 1-2-3-4-5-6. Yes, this will be for 3 seconds. The drummer will
be playing kick-chick-chick-tom-chick-chick.
12/8
This timing is not very frequently played. However, it is good to know.
As you count 1 number for each half second, the drummer plays 2 strokes
in the same interval. The counting therefore will be 1-2-3-4-5-6 like the
previous 6/8 rhythm; but the drummer doubles up and plays kick-chickchick-kick-chick-chick-tom-chick-chick-tom-chick-chick.
7/8
This rhythm is also common in Hindi songs. Here, there will be 7
quarters and the duration is, of course, 3 and a half seconds. Counting 1
number for each half second, in this measure you will be counting 1-2-34-5-6-7. The drummer will play, kick-chick-chick-tom-chick-tom-chick.
MY STRUMMING
I am reasonably comfortable in strumming. I can easily replicate any
rhythm with relative ease. From my childhood I have been sort of rhythm
oriented. Doors, table surfaces, cardboard boxes, and any solid surfaces
for that matter were good enough for my fingers to create general
rhythmic patterns. Influenced by listening to maestros like Zakhir
Hussain, I thought I would learn Tabala. Visions of being like Zakhir
were the driving force. Around circa 1993/1994, I joined tabala classes. I

studied it for a couple of years. When it became too hot to handle or


rather when my incompetence was greater than my competence, I called
it quits. But I ended up with a good sense of timing. It has helped my
guitar strumming (plectrum) immensely. Oh, again I have digressed--so
back to the main topic it is!!
MYTHS
Guitar strumming, too, has its own share of myths:
1. Arms have to be moving to and fro. This is not true at all. Many
beginners allow their whole arm to rock while strumming the guitar. All
the movement of the plectrum should come from your wrists. In fact, do
this exercise and see where you stand. Sit on a chair with the arm rest.
Place your elbow on the arm rest and then begin to strum. As you strum,
your elbow should continue to rest on the arm rest. If it moves, you know
you are putting more effort into it than is necessary.
2. The left hand must hold on to the chord till the end of the bar/measure.
This is also false. Many people I have noticed hold on to the chord till the
rhythm for that chord is played. This makes the sound ring/sustain. You
can slacken the grip also to get a muted sound. As you develop this skill,
you will notice your left hand too will have a rhythm of its own. You can
compare this rhythm to the rhythm of "running between the wickets" in
cricket between batsmen.
3. It should always sound perfect. Many beginners fall into this trap.
Many beginners play the first chord fine. When it is time for switching
chords, they pause, get their fingers in place, and then resume strumming.
The focus should be on not stopping strumming even while changing
cords. You might not get the best sound but with practice, this will fall
into place pretty soon.
4. A down stroke should always be followed by an up stroke. This is also
not true. It is generally agreed that the down stroke gives you more power
to be louder. Also you can make it soft too. Ideally, work on all up strokes
and all down strokes too.
ASSUMPTIONS
1. When I talk of strumming, I mean with the plectrum. Finger picking
has extensively been covered by others more eloquently. The player I am
assuming is right-handed holding the chords on his/her left hand. If you
are a leftie, think and act the other way.
2. My basic unit of time is a quarter note, separated from the next quarter
by a 2 spaces for clarity.
3. Letters within the group are to be played together and will be separated
by a dash.
4. When you see "kick" or D, play the stroke with more power (louder)
than the others.

5. "Chick" or X indicates a period of rest.


6. Mute or m tells you to mute the fingers with your fingers on the left
hand.
7. "Tom" or d/u refers to the beats in the normal volume.
8. By default, strokes in a group usually begin with a down stroke, unless
stated otherwise.
THE ROAD MAP
A rhythm can be broken up in to smaller groups. A group could have 1, 2,
3, or even 4 beats. A group could have more than 4 also; but let us not
worry about that now. Now we are ready to play our first set of chords in
rhythm. For a start, select any 4 chords of your choice, say C, Am, F, and
G. For my examples, I will be using G, Em, C, and D.
Example 1:
VERBAL: kick-chick tom-tom tom-tom tom-tom
TABBED: Dx du du du
NUMBER: 1 2 3 4
As you can see there are eight notes above, (2 for each number) but only
7 of them need to be strummed. There is a pause after the first stroke. So
hold G and strum the pattern; and as you reach and prepare to play the
last stroke (tom), play the open string i.e. release the chord grip and
prepare to play Em. So the last will be sort of open sounding. Do the
same with Em. As you come to the last part, release your chord, and
prepare to switch to C. Finally, after doing the same with C, go to D.
After D, prepare to repeat the whole cycle by coming to G chord again.
Practice this till you are comfortable. This sort of a rhythm is very
common and can generally suit any song. Sultans of Swing, for example,
is played in this rhythm.
EXAMPLE 2:
VERBAL: kick tom-tom chick tom
TABBED: D du x d
NUMBER: 1 2 3 4
The first count here has 1 stroke and the third count has a full count of
rest. I have eliminated the Xs here. For the technically oriented it would
look so:
TABBED: Dx du x dx
NUMBER: 1 2 3 4
The additional Xs are not needed as they convey the meaning; but I have
placed it on record for those who need it. Played fast, this rhythm would

suit "papa kehtha hai". Some would say that the third count in that song
should have a stroke. The idea here is, however, to get the beginners to
have a feel of the rhythm they are playing. So that is why I have
eliminated that stroke. Again, the beginners are encouraged to begin the
cycle starting on G chord, shifting to Em, going next to C, switching to
D, and finally returning to G to begin a new cycle.
Hope I have made myself clear to as many newbies as possible. More
examples and exercises in my next post!!!!!

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hey jusmail , nice sum up .... great goin ...


some reps and points comin ur way , cheers and rock on

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Jusmail.........Good stuff dude.

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good stuff dude


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and thanks for the compliment yaar

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just getting inspired by the questions and answers and the


hard work that the people went thru to setp a forum like this
for us poor desi guitarists
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cOOl stuff dude.. nice work and compilation.. some reps


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i would like to warn you guys here that the NOTATION used
for strumming, that is the D U d u x etc are what came into
my mind while i started writing the FIRST post which was in
reply to Smriti's mail. These are not standard notation, please
bear with me on that.
I am really not a complete learnt musician, so I dont know all

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this, I will see if i can find some standard notation


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@ Bandbaaja, till somebody finds out how to write it


correctly, this method has to suffice. In tabala, it was all Dha,
theirakita, etc.

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Bandbaaja
01-27-2005, 05:59 PM
Was actually replying to a query posed by Madhura, and thought this could be a part of a Beginner's
Tutorial.
While learning the guitar and the notes, and chords, some students find it difficult to actually play
the chords of a song in a basic strumming pattern.
Of course some take up strumming very easily and it also sometimes comes naturally.
I had to go thru major patience levels to grasp chord positions, but I got thru with the STRUMMING
barrier quite naturally.
So this post here is not for the naturally gifted strummers, but for people who find problems in the
DOWN UP MOVEMENT of strumming.
FIRSTLY,
While learning strumming, u have to be conscious of your hand movement to match the counts etc.
HERE you will find your hand moving more like a mechanical robot. BUT the art of strumming begins
with having your right hand low down and up in a smooth natural movement.
SECOND:
STRUMMING is an ART based on a simple DOWN-UP movement of your hand. So your hand should
ALWAYS move down and up,
and based on the pattern that you are playing you either choose to HIT or MISS the strings while
going down or HIT or MISS it while coming up.
For example some basic strumming patterns to Practice are as follows:
NOTES BEFORE YOU BEGIN
1) First divide the basic counts into a pattern like this: 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &
2) Move your hand down on ONE and UP on the AND (&) and keep this going on continuously.
3) Wherever in the examples there is an X mark, you DO NOT stop your hand movement, but you
simply DONT play on that X.
Example 1:
Hitting all the counts:
1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& | 1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& |
D--U--D--U--D--U--D--U | D--U--D--U--D--U--D--U |
Example 2:
Hitting on 1-2&3-4&
1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& | 1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& |
D--X--D--U--D--X--D--U | D--X--D--U--D--X--D--U |
Example 3
Hitting on 1-2&-&4&
This pattern if played at a moderate speed can be used for Papa Kehte Hain type of songs:
1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& | 1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& |
D--X--D--U--X--U--D--U | D--X--D--U--X--U--D--U |
Example 4
Hitting on 1&-&-&4&

1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& | 1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& |
D--U--X--U--X--U--D--U | D--U--X--U--X--U--D--U |
ALL THESE STRUMMING PATTERNS are OPEN PATTERNS where you can let EACH OF YOUR BANG to
RING...
APART from these strumming patterns there are quite a few complicated ones, - some which require
you to MUTE the strings after you BANG on it ONCE. - some which require you to HIT the strings
hard with your right hand, but completely MUTED by your LEFT hand.
Like the BOSSANOVA pattern, if you remember George Michael's Faith, or Allah Ke Bandhe the
pattern doesnt let the strings RING
Basically the sound shouldn't be CHANNNNGGGGGG it should rather be CHANK!
THE PROs HERE CAN ADD ON TO THIS............?
nikamma1112
Very useful thread there!

01-27-2005, 08:45 PM

Could never strum properly for the first two 3-odd months that I was learning ... then finally struck
gold with the song Wonderwall, which was the first song I could strum and play perfectly.
Now, I am reasonably comfortable with most strumming patterns, but just cannot get the hang of
Bossa Nova ...
- Raj.
P.S. The rythms I have learnt from my sir not only specify the movement (down/up), but also which
strings have to be played (as in, either the three thin ones or the thicker three ...) Will post some of
them soon ...
Bandbaaja
01-27-2005, 09:16 PM
Yes Raj,
Rhythm Patterns also importantly need u to know which strings you are strumming.
This matters a lot when you are playing the electric guitar, and especially if your distortion pedal is
on, u will really sound like BAD!!!
But for beginners, on the acoustic guitar, this full chord strumming pattern can be quite useful
light_of_erindi

01-27-2005, 10:57 PM
Yes ..quite nice... I didn't know there was so much theory behind strumming....
I learnt it the hard way....by listening to a LOT of songs!!
Hey is there a tutorial for reading sheet music/intervals for guitar on IGT ?... i'm really bad in theory
u know ... just once.... i'd like to flash some techno mumbo-jumbo about scales and notes and stuff
to a newbie!!! ;) :)
Subhro

01-27-2005, 11:44 PM

nice stuff b a n d b a j a a :)
sayanakaharry

01-27-2005, 11:52 PM
the strumming pattern in "allah ke bande" is an interesting one, as u pointed out. that one can be a
good exercise for people who are learning different strumming patterns.
Subhro
01-27-2005, 11:56 PM
wantd 2 giv u some reps.. but it says i shud sprd my reps frst.. whtevr tht means .. :o:

Bandbaaja
hahaha thanks subhro,
your appreciation is enough :)
cheers

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01-28-2005, 03:17 AM

very nice stuff bandbanja....plz post more of ur knowledge. thanx a lot.


maverick8218

02-02-2005, 06:18 PM
Here are a few songs based on the strumming patterns mentioned here:
1. 1-2&-&4& - Last kiss, come as you are, hotel california, country roads, papa kehte hai, chura liya
hai, cats in the cradle, given to fly.
2. 1-2&3-4& - All apologies, dum maro dum, living nextdoor to alice
A li'l word of caution, this may not be exactly how the original songs are played, it's just how i play
them and the chord changes match the length of the strum. Feel free to point out any alternate
strums, you may be using for the songs I mentioned.
jayswami

02-03-2005, 12:51 PM
i just saw this thread. gave it 5 stars. every one else follow suit and give 5 stars to baandbaaja
bob-bobby

02-03-2005, 07:29 PM

good one bandbajja , very nice post !!!


tejas

02-03-2005, 07:54 PM
Very good post. Lot of people ask questions about this, so good job bandbaaja, this should help
them.
Bandbaaja
Thank you all,
will try to keep posting something new.
bob-bobby

02-03-2005, 08:19 PM

02-03-2005, 08:35 PM

ur welcome dude , its always nice and educating reading your posts ..
hope to see more of this kinds from you , cheers :)
SB0712

02-06-2005, 04:54 PM

this was of gr8 help BB. Thanxs a lot


Liquid

02-13-2005, 01:25 AM

man u rock....its really frustrating to see all these ppl who can play *sigh*..
bandbajaa...can u plz give some specific songs with the patterns...like for example...u have pattern
3 to be "papa kehte hain"...can u put songs up for other patterns?...plz plz plz....ur work is really
easy to understand :)

jayswami

02-13-2005, 03:28 AM
cool post BB
i realied i find it impossible to follow the instructons and play in proper timing .. i always get
confused :p: then i said screw it.. let me play my ways.. so i played papa kehte hain.. then reverse
engineered what i was playing and it matched with what u poseted :)
Subhro
02-13-2005, 03:47 AM
i just saw this thread. gave it 5 stars. every one else follow suit and give 5 stars to baandbaaja
yes sir.........
jayswami
02-13-2005, 03:52 AM
also BB gave strumming for quarter and 8th notes. next step would be to play 16ths.. and
syncapations. BB has already given some patterns which have syncapations..
syncapation is playing something off beat..
for example.. say we have a a 4/4 beat with 4 8th notes, and 4 8th note rests or silence denoted by
%
u can hum them as tha - tha - tha - tha
or 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 with & denoting the silence.
|1 % |2 % |3 % |4 % |
|tha % |tha % |tha % |tha % |
|D X | D X |D X |D X |
now syncapation would be to do the thas off beat or
|% tha | % tha |% tha |% tha |
this would sound like
uh-tha uh-tha uh-tha uh-tha
strum would be
|X U |X U |X U |X U |
then u can mix and match on beat and syncapated notes.
tha- tha- uh-tha uh-tha
tha- uh-tha uh-tha thaetc
this was all rhythm in 8th notes.
it gets interestingly better when we go to 16th notes...
here we divide a 4/4 measure into 16 equal divsions
4: |thaaaaaaaa |thaaaaaaaa |thaaaaaaaa |thaaaaaaaa|
DUDU
8: |tha tha |tha tha |tha tha |tha tha |
DUDUDUDU
16:|thaka thaka |thaka thaka |thaka thaka |thaka thaka |
DUDUDUDUDUDUDUDU
then u have the same thing on 16ths too.. on beat and syncapation..

note: it is not a rule that on beat notes are down strokes and off beat up strokes.
this is just lesson 1 :p:
for in metal u could play
16:|thaka thaka |thaka thaka |thaka thaka |thaka thaka |
DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
( jig jig jig jig jig jig jig jig jig jig jig jig jig jig jig jig )
all downstrokes power chords is very common in metal rhythm.
]
Liquid
02-13-2005, 06:46 PM
can someone plz give the distinct patterns for other songs....this post really helps...my guitar
teacher was teaching me the chords currently for papa kehte hain...so i like just found this post at
the right time..:)
samiarshad
hi i wanted to learn how to read guitar tabs

02-15-2005, 12:15 AM

Madni
wat exactly are 1 , 2 and AND ?

02-18-2005, 02:23 PM

Bandbaaja
madni
check my thread called
#1 LEARN TO COUNT, it may be helpful before u see this

02-18-2005, 05:36 PM

Liquid
02-24-2005, 10:13 PM
i posted this on another thread as well....but ill just post it here again....for the strumming pattern
of the paki song ADDAT....the pattern is DUUDUUD...can someone break this down for me?..
like with the beats?...plz...
theguitaristofm

02-25-2005, 02:55 PM

^^hey g8 work by bandbaaja n jayswami.............


theguitaristofm

02-25-2005, 02:58 PM
@samirshad look for teh post in guitar tablature disccusion there r so many tutorials.
Liquid

02-26-2005, 01:54 AM

can someone plz answer my post...?


nik_bokacheley

02-28-2005, 12:02 AM
okay to all. My exams here. So no time to look into details. I'll see it well. Good to all. Bye and
thanks!
Liquid
arey plz...someone do me a big favor and answer my question :S
Bandbaaja

03-01-2005, 02:50 AM

sorry - i dont know too many of the paki songs.

03-01-2005, 05:55 PM

Liquid
well thanks for replyin atleast...:)

03-02-2005, 04:56 AM

can u make an educated guess though?....if not its fine...im sure ill come up with more questions in
the near future :D...lol...
Liquid

03-04-2005, 05:20 PM
hey can someone add more songs with simple strumming patterns plz....this is an amazing way to
practice :D
jyotig
Check the strumming patterns at

04-30-2005, 08:26 AM

http://www.grouptherapy.guernsey.net/strumming.html
There are around 22 patterns but the mp3 links for some are not working. But still a useful site for
beginners like me :p:
fictional_real

05-12-2005, 09:49 PM
Learn most of songs from Mtv unplugged live Nirvana. Strumming pattern will increane in
tremendous fashion. i believe...
somendra_guitar
superb thread ppl
helped me a loy
real thanks!!!

05-14-2005, 06:04 PM

Dee
hI EVERY1

05-31-2005, 09:12 PM

i'm new .... very new and need to guy a guitar do that i can start learning how to play... but what i
don't know is how do i choose a guitar? what do i look for? someone please help me.
Thanks a million
Dee
Dee
Sorry for the very wrongly worded msg just now...

05-31-2005, 09:14 PM

i'm new .... very new and need to buy a guitar so that i can start learning how to play... but what i
don't know is how do i choose a guitar? what do i look for? someone please help me.
Thanks a million
Dee
sharadarya
hey banbaaja........
for newbies like me its great to find stuff like this.....
tks n do post some more stuff on strumming if you can....
varun_nsit

06-17-2005, 08:35 PM

07-16-2005, 01:00 AM
hey ya guys......luk i m new on the block, hv been learnin for l;ik 7 mnths bt m dead stuck at
stumming, i knw there is a lot u people can help me wid so cmon guys helpppppppppp me,
thanx....bandbaaja..........
Muramdamus
07-16-2005, 09:01 AM
im no guitar expert but i started on an acoustic. i feel my strumming is pretty good if i may say so
myself but for the most part, wen i was just begining it was more fun to mess around with the
chord.
mess around and make news way to play certain songs, most of the time it'l sound better. naturally
ul develop the ear for lisening out to the struming pattern. its one of those things which takes time.
Siddi
this helps alot
thank you!
prags1309

07-17-2005, 02:50 AM

08-01-2005, 05:38 PM

hey ..bandbaaja..yur posts are awesum..hats off :rock:


well i wanted to understand - the guy had learnt from had taught me to count like 1-down and 2-up
, the way of strumming ,now mostly i can strum 1121122.. , or 1,12,212..
Keeping this in mind , how do i learn more strumming patterns ??
cheerio
pragz
vishwa_81us

08-01-2005, 06:07 PM
Hey Bandbaaja... Really Nice and a very helpful thread for me... I am really struggling with
strumming esp. for some songs... Duur by Strings is one of them...
Can u help me in that ..?
vishwa :cool:
shantanukr

08-02-2005, 01:29 PM

Superb content. 'Reps' to you for that ..........


Keep Playing ..
Bandbaaja

08-02-2005, 04:17 PM
thank you all for the wonderful response.
hope it really helps
i just browsed thru and there are questions on specific songs that people have asked
can you guys send a Private Message on those?
its pretty difficult to read every thread from the start and see what questions are lined up
slashboyin

08-15-2005, 02:43 AM
heres some more rhythms. posted it elsewhere but no one viewed it. so i put it here.
D = Downstroke
U = Upstroke
X = dont play the stroke
L = Laggato (let ring)

S = Staccatto (mute strings with fretting hand)


1. Play slowly
Timing : 3/4
1 &.2 &.3 &..1 &.2 &.3 &
DX.DX..DU..DU.DX..DU
L..S.L..LS..L
2. Play normally
Timing : 4/4
1 &.2 &..3 &..4 &..1 &..2 &..3 &...4 &
DX...DX...DX...DUDXDX...DX...DU
L..L..S.L..L..L...S..L
3. Play little bit fast
Timing : 5/8
1 &.2 &..3 &..4 &..5 &..1 &..2 &..3 &..4 &..5 &
DXDX..DX..DU..DU..DX..DX...DX..DU..DU
LS.L.L..L..L.S..L..L..L
4. Even faster!
Timing : 6/8
1 &..2 &..3 &..4 &..5 &..6 &.1 &..2 &.3 &..4 &..5 &6 &
DXUX..DX..UX..DXUX.DX..UX..DX.UXDX.. UX
LL.S..L.LLL.L..S.L..L.L
5. FASTEST
Timing : 7/8
1 &...2 &....3 &....4 &.....5 &....6 &....7 &.....1 &....2 &3 &.4 &....5 &6 &.7 &
DXDX....DX..DX....DU..DX..DU...DX...DX..D X.DX...DU.DX.DU
LL.......S..L....L..S....L.L......L ..SL......L.S.L.
knopfler
would be easier to follow with sound clips...

10-25-2005, 03:40 AM

Cool Kish
Hi thats gr8 guys keep it up

10-25-2005, 11:43 AM

Kshitij
11-05-2005, 03:26 PM
hey
thnx alot bro!!!!...
nice stuff u got thr..
cud u show this wiv sum definite songs like allah ke bandhe or mayb even halka halka????? its
easier to understand
devgenes
01-13-2006, 09:33 PM
thanks very much man you have done a great job here.all beginers will find it very useful :nw:
Was actually replying to a query posed by Madhura, and thought this could be a part of a Beginner's
Tutorial.
While learning the guitar and the notes, and chords, some students find it difficult to actually play
the chords of a song in a basic strumming pattern.

Of course some take up strumming very easily and it also sometimes comes naturally.
I had to go thru major patience levels to grasp chord positions, but I got thru with the STRUMMING
barrier quite naturally.
So this post here is not for the naturally gifted strummers, but for people who find problems in the
DOWN UP MOVEMENT of strumming.
FIRSTLY,
While learning strumming, u have to be conscious of your hand movement to match the counts etc.
HERE you will find your hand moving more like a mechanical robot. BUT the art of strumming begins
with having your right hand low down and up in a smooth natural movement.
SECOND:
STRUMMING is an ART based on a simple DOWN-UP movement of your hand. So your hand should
ALWAYS move down and up,
and based on the pattern that you are playing you either choose to HIT or MISS the strings while
going down or HIT or MISS it while coming up.
For example some basic strumming patterns to Practice are as follows:
NOTES BEFORE YOU BEGIN
1) First divide the basic counts into a pattern like this: 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &
2) Move your hand down on ONE and UP on the AND (&) and keep this going on continuously.
3) Wherever in the examples there is an X mark, you DO NOT stop your hand movement, but you
simply DONT play on that X.
Example 1:
Hitting all the counts:
1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& | 1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& |
D--U--D--U--D--U--D--U | D--U--D--U--D--U--D--U |
Example 2:
Hitting on 1-2&3-4&
1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& | 1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& |
D--X--D--U--D--X--D--U | D--X--D--U--D--X--D--U |
Example 3
Hitting on 1-2&-&4&
This pattern if played at a moderate speed can be used for Papa Kehte Hain type of songs:
1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& | 1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& |
D--X--D--U--X--U--D--U | D--X--D--U--X--U--D--U |
Example 4
Hitting on 1&-&-&4&
1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& | 1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& |
D--U--X--U--X--U--D--U | D--U--X--U--X--U--D--U |
ALL THESE STRUMMING PATTERNS are OPEN PATTERNS where you can let EACH OF YOUR BANG to
RING...
APART from these strumming patterns there are quite a few complicated ones, - some which require
you to MUTE the strings after you BANG on it ONCE. - some which require you to HIT the strings
hard with your right hand, but completely MUTED by your LEFT hand.

Like the BOSSANOVA pattern, if you remember George Michael's Faith, or Allah Ke Bandhe the
pattern doesnt let the strings RING
Basically the sound shouldn't be CHANNNNGGGGGG it should rather be CHANK!
THE PROs HERE CAN ADD ON TO THIS............?
f2@hotmail.com

02-11-2006, 12:38 PM

yar what is &.


bjr

02-11-2006, 02:12 PM

yar what is &.


The & refers to the offbeat....it goes: 1 and 2 and 3 and 4
mathai007
02-14-2006, 11:22 PM
Helo ...i am mathai...i need a help from u guys..i have learned guitar during my child hood and then
stopped.(Even today i blame for myself for what i have done).Ok ,so i want to learn this Guitar..I
already knows the basic notes..basic chords and i am able to play by ear ,whatever song i hear.I
have already started with this notations..but i dont feel any advantage from it...and pleze someone
help me in strummin patterns..since whenever i strum it always ends up in the same rythm.But i
want to get out from it...What u say guys?
Cheers Mathai....
bjr

02-15-2006, 09:53 AM
Helo ...i am mathai...i need a help from u guys..i have learned guitar during my child hood and then
stopped.(Even today i blame for myself for what i have done).Ok ,so i want to learn this Guitar..I
already knows the basic notes..basic chords and i am able to play by ear ,whatever song i hear.I
have already started with this notations..but i dont feel any advantage from it...and pleze someone
help me in strummin patterns..since whenever i strum it always ends up in the same rythm.But i
want to get out from it...What u say guys?
Cheers Mathai....
Could you post a small recording of a couple of songs that you usually play? That could help me
figure out if there's something that you should be doing differently.
varad_daniel

03-13-2006, 04:37 PM

dude.. 5 from me too..


I'm Danny, n I've been playing for a little over 2 yrs now.. was taught from a friend a little .. n since
then its all been my effort.. so I have no training ..
there one problem I face n its very bugging..
though strumming comes naturally to me.. but there are songs when I find it very hard to strumm n
sing along..
Allah ke bande being a classic case.. I can play the song.. I can sing it too.. but I find it hard to do
both at the same time..
even 2 steps behind.. I find it hard to play n sing..
so normally I end up making acoustic versions of these songs.. :-)
what should I do.. ?
varad_daniel

03-17-2006, 09:37 AM

I'm Danny, n I've been playing for a little over 2 yrs now.. was taught from a friend a little .. n since
then its all been my effort.. so I have no formal training ..
there one problem I face n its very bugging..
though strumming comes naturally to me.. but there are songs when I find it very hard to strumm n
sing along..
"Allah ke bande" being a classic case.. I can play the song.. I can sing it too.. but I find it hard to do
both at the same time..
even "2 steps behind".. I find it hard to play n sing..
so normally I end up making acoustic versions(plucking ) of these songs.. :-)
what should I do.. ? how to get over this hurdle..
pls advice
cooljoy
04-01-2006, 09:39 PM
hey guys.. i'm knew to dis.. can anyone plz temme wht's strummin?.. n hz it done..?
wud b rlly grateful if u give a pictorial representation..
'thnx
jay
aquries

05-02-2006, 09:24 AM
hi, how r u everybody. i am new guy. i am learning guitar. i had just completed basic and started
learn to play songs.
i will need u r help.
thanks
DJnu
this info is very useful thnx guys

05-15-2006, 12:56 AM

meeaamir
but how to find the strumming patterns of the songs???????????

06-29-2006, 08:04 PM

the strummer
08-26-2006, 10:36 PM
hey dude can u suggest me a way of mastering the bossa-nova strumming pattern since its a bit
complicated to play on the guitar
maxtamboli

09-05-2006, 12:52 PM
good post buddy this help a lot to me for learning a struming pattern as i am a beginner
satnix

11-23-2006, 11:23 AM

dhanyawaad MAALIK !
kufi007

11-24-2006, 09:13 PM
am new with guitar...need to get a jump start...firstly is it possible to learn a song tab by heart
without actually knowin how to play guitar ??
secondly how does this tabs work..i mean when thz guyz give a tabs for some particular song wat
does it mean....do i label my strings on fret as thos alphabets and dots means hitting the strings
number of times the dots are there ?? hope u are understandin wat am askin..quite confusingly
thouhg...

if am right and fret strings need to be labelled with thoz alphabets...what alphabets to use on which
strings...??
waitin for your reply brother....
kashif
south africa
Was actually replying to a query posed by Madhura, and thought this could be a part of a Beginner's
Tutorial.
While learning the guitar and the notes, and chords, some students find it difficult to actually play
the chords of a song in a basic strumming pattern.
Of course some take up strumming very easily and it also sometimes comes naturally.
I had to go thru major patience levels to grasp chord positions, but I got thru with the STRUMMING
barrier quite naturally.
So this post here is not for the naturally gifted strummers, but for people who find problems in the
DOWN UP MOVEMENT of strumming.
FIRSTLY,
While learning strumming, u have to be conscious of your hand movement to match the counts etc.
HERE you will find your hand moving more like a mechanical robot. BUT the art of strumming begins
with having your right hand low down and up in a smooth natural movement.
SECOND:
STRUMMING is an ART based on a simple DOWN-UP movement of your hand. So your hand should
ALWAYS move down and up,
and based on the pattern that you are playing you either choose to HIT or MISS the strings while
going down or HIT or MISS it while coming up.
For example some basic strumming patterns to Practice are as follows:
NOTES BEFORE YOU BEGIN
1) First divide the basic counts into a pattern like this: 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &
2) Move your hand down on ONE and UP on the AND (&) and keep this going on continuously.
3) Wherever in the examples there is an X mark, you DO NOT stop your hand movement, but you
simply DONT play on that X.
Example 1:
Hitting all the counts:
1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& | 1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& |
D--U--D--U--D--U--D--U | D--U--D--U--D--U--D--U |
Example 2:
Hitting on 1-2&3-4&
1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& | 1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& |
D--X--D--U--D--X--D--U | D--X--D--U--D--X--D--U |
Example 3
Hitting on 1-2&-&4&
This pattern if played at a moderate speed can be used for Papa Kehte Hain type of songs:
1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& | 1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& |
D--X--D--U--X--U--D--U | D--X--D--U--X--U--D--U |
Example 4
Hitting on 1&-&-&4&
1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& | 1--&--2--&--3--&--4--& |
D--U--X--U--X--U--D--U | D--U--X--U--X--U--D--U |

ALL THESE STRUMMING PATTERNS are OPEN PATTERNS where you can let EACH OF YOUR BANG to
RING...
APART from these strumming patterns there are quite a few complicated ones, - some which require
you to MUTE the strings after you BANG on it ONCE. - some which require you to HIT the strings
hard with your right hand, but completely MUTED by your LEFT hand.
Like the BOSSANOVA pattern, if you remember George Michael's Faith, or Allah Ke Bandhe the
pattern doesnt let the strings RING
Basically the sound shouldn't be CHANNNNGGGGGG it should rather be CHANK!
THE PROs HERE CAN ADD ON TO THIS............?
mr singh
11-24-2006, 11:22 PM
there is enuf in all of the other begginers threads/ forum to answer all these questions and more
that u may have... e.g. how to read tabs. by reading previous posts u are more likely to get a better
response than trying to get people to give a response to a repeated question (sory if i sound a bit
harsh)
jus search a bit on IGT using the search thingy.
ace_gaurav
12-07-2006, 06:04 PM
excellent excellent excellent thread...m savin this thing...m kinda k..wit d rest of d strummin
patterns...but for allah ke bande..i somehow juzz dont seem to get d hang of it..!!...can some1 plz
help...n @maverick..r u sure..papa kehte hai strummin is different from hotel california n country
roads...
reps comin ur way @bandbaaja.... :beer:
rahul_in_rhythm

12-08-2006, 02:48 PM
thanks its a very good theory.... to be practiced .i am a beginner and that will definitely help
me....have a coll day and keep posting such stuff..
Wan2BPro
01-18-2007, 12:13 PM
I'm new to this site....I have learnt a lot from this site.......I'm facing with a problem...... I cannot
figure out the chords for a song......I know the basic chords like major,minor,seventh
chords............plz help.........
thanks in advance.....
vonguitar

01-18-2007, 06:25 PM

good work baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaajaaaaaaaaa


kevin_s

01-19-2007, 03:26 PM
i have been learng guitar for the last 3 months...past 2 weeks am trying 2learn strumming wid a
pick(previosly i used my fingers) i find the upstroke impossible wid the pick and this is making the
entire learning fruastrating...please help me...
Bandbaaja
I must really push you guys to learn to count first,
Not as in counting money but counting BARS and MEASURES

01-19-2005, 08:21 PM

Please ask any musician friend of yours to explain TIMINGS like 2/4 , 4/4 , 3/4 , 6/8. etc, and try to
understand what is a BAR and to understand BAR COUNTING.

This has to be physically explained i feel, the books cannot explain this in a very effective way.
This becomes very important, and once u know to count, u will not require chord charts with lyrics
asking u to change at a particular syllable in a word.
Meaning:
If you need chords for Papa Kehte Hain
you will not need
.....Papa keh te hain ba da naam ka re ga
..C..............Am...............F............... G
u will only require chord charts that go
Papa Kehte Hain:
Key: C
Time 2/4
Sign: [/ C / Am / F / G /] - (2)
Cross: / C / C / Am / Am / F / F / G / G7 /
--------------------------------------------------------------------SUMMARY
#1: PLEASE LEARN BASIC COUNTING, BEFORE ATTEMPTING SONGS
This becomes very important, so that u understand that a musician has nothing to do with lyrics, he
plays bar to bar.
--------------------------------------------------------------------rizaaj

01-19-2005, 08:26 PM
nice... but cant i learn it online .. . i mean from the internet... or by books.. sounds stupid bcoz u ve
already mentioned...
but can you give some tutorial on counting... will be really helpful...
d_ist_urb_ed
01-19-2005, 08:28 PM
Nice thread bandbaaja, will be better in the Guitar tips, tutorials and lessons forum. Thread moved.
Bandbaaja
01-19-2005, 08:30 PM
oh ok, i thought its a beginner's thing, and not for advanced dudes
sorry again, i seem to be really goofing up in placing my threads out here :shock:
Bandbaaja

01-19-2005, 09:03 PM
riyaaz, will have to find a way
will try to do something, maybe explain it by way of a song, which i feel is a nice way....
gimme some time to think....
subhro....jay......help
madhura
01-19-2005, 09:50 PM
most of the osngs i know ( meaning i can play) are 4/4 or 3/4 ..... do u have an example of 6/8 ....
not on top of my head right now .... :think:
Subhro

01-19-2005, 10:37 PM
riyaaz, will have to find a way
will try to do something, maybe explain it by way of a song, which i feel is a nice way....
gimme some time to think....
subhro....jay......help

i wud like 2 highlight one line or rather one word of urs..


subhro ... Jay... help..
R U OUT OF UR MIND ???????????? :shock: :shock:
in case u dont seem2 know.. let me giv u a valuable piece of info...
I AM NOT IN THE SAME LEAGUE AS U GUYZ (u & Jay & some other pros) ... he he.. and thats not
modesty dude.. thats a fact :)
i'm crazy abt guitar but my knowledge abt guitar is vry close to 0.. no lessons 4m ny1 or nythin
whatsoevr..
i can somewhat figure out the notes of a song & the solo in it.. (and that 2 i mastrd aftr a lot of
practice coz i had no basic knowldge of music evr b4) i just try 2 link the chords somehow but they
r not prfct.. nevr evr figured out a 7th, 9th 13th etc in a song myself.. :o:
just this othr day i was readin some tutorials how 2 figure out the major chord frm a major scale..
1-3-5.. :o:
nywayz.. that was offtopic...
i wud like 2 echo what riyazz said..
if its possible in nyway 2 represent the stuff u just mentioned.. kindly do it.. i know its not easy..
still..
thnx a lot in advnce...
& also thnx 4 that line of urs.. 'subhro...Jay...help' :p: vry flatterin indeed.. :)
mathai
01-20-2005, 01:36 AM
most of the osngs i know ( meaning i can play) are 4/4 or 3/4 ..... do u have an example of 6/8 ....
not on top of my head right now ....
the song Lajjavathiye is in 6/8
if u r a northie,im sorry u wouldnt have heard this one
ananth222
01-20-2005, 02:44 AM
To get you started, the "time signature" represents two numbers x/y which can be deciphered like
this: The upper number (x) represents the number of beats in one bar. The lower number tells you
how many beats constitute one wholenote duration. Thus 4/4 means there are four notes per bar
(count 1 (loudly) 2 3 4 1(loudly) 2 3 4) and 4 such beats form one wholenote (i.e. each beat is
1/4th the duration of a whole note). The duration of a whole note is decided by the tempo at which
you play.
Disclaimer: Based on my limited knowledge, hope this is correct.
jayswami
the song Lajjavathiye is in 6/8
if u r a northie,im sorry u wouldnt have heard this one
thats a horrible horrible song aaargh i hate it
i am playing it on feb 26th anyways i am :offtopic:
jayswami

01-20-2005, 04:53 AM

01-20-2005, 04:58 AM

i never understood all the differences between 3/4 and 6/8 4/4 and 2/4
i think i kinda know.. i just go with the feel when i play.. baandbaaja do u know i dont count.. in fact
i have big arguments with some percussionists who will count till 48 and a half before starting a
song etc..
i agree one should know the various meeters.. i kinda know them intuitively i guess..
like someone told me that allah tero naam has a complex taal.. (forgot name in hinustani)
it goes like 123-1234 i guess that would make it 7/4... but i have never counted anything while

playing that song before...


so i am wrong guy for rhythm.. it is very ironic..
i spend a lot of time thinking and reading abotu melody and harmony.. dont spend half the time
analyzing and reading about rhythms.. maybe i should start doing that.
ananth222
01-20-2005, 05:12 AM
I recently attended a rhythm workshop held by a tabla player. He gave some really nice insights into
rhythm.
He stressed the point that we must forget about counting and have a feel for the time. He insisted
that you must think of rhythm without thinking of numbers, cos numebrs tie you down. He gave
some simple excercises to think of feel for rhythm without getting caught inthe numbers - heres
one:
Count the following: 1 2 3 4 4 3 2 1 2 3 4 4 3 2 1 2 3 4 4 3 2 1 2 ... and so on
and CLAP after every four beats, starting on 1. So you go 1(clap) 2 3 4 4(clap) 3 2 1 2(clap) 3 4 4
3(clap) and so on. Remember to do this without looking at the numbers.. just count in your head
and clap. This will help you keep a four beat cycle without thinking about the numbers. This can be
extended to 5,6, 7 or any beat cycle.
Of course u need to know the time signature of a song before you start playing it, but once you are
into it the rhythm must go by feel rather than counting.
jayswami
01-20-2005, 10:07 AM
thats what i do... also if u r the counting kind.. if someone else screws up.. u will find it impossible
to adjust... such people end up as the "reset" kinds.. the musicians ultimate nightmare.. have u
seen those vocalists who screw up.. then restart from the begining of the cylce in the middle of the
cycle.. i wonder what they think man.. really..
i think they just reset their counter to 0 and start counting again :p:
jayswami
01-20-2005, 10:09 AM
speaking of counting kidns.. there is this girl who sings here .. she has carnatic background.. she
has this wierd way of singing.. she keeps wigling and slaps her ass real hard repeatedly for the
count.. its hilarious
mathai
i never understood all the differences between 3/4 and 6/8 4/4 and 2/4

01-20-2005, 11:00 AM

i had the same question in my mind...i think 6/8 is faster than 3/4(techinically
i know the diff.)somebody can come up with a better explanation i guess....
and jay,about lajjavathiye,it was the national anthem of kerala for the last
year
mathai
Bandbaaja
ok
lots of things to reply to.
Well Jay, that 1231234 is 7/8.

01-20-2005, 03:42 PM

In simple words
4/4 means 4 quarter notes in one bar
3/4 means 3 quarter notes in one bar
6/8 means 6 eighth notes in one bar
7/8 means 7 eighth notes in one bar
now why i said i cant explain it on paper, is because u need to understand this quarter note / eighth
note thing etc. the idea was not to teach you to READ COUNTING, but to get you to count BARS. to
get a basic feel of the song.

Some songs as examples


=========================================
3/4
or popularly called WALTZ
Songs
Jeena Yahaan Marna Yahaan
Main Shayar To Nahi
Kuch Na Kaho (1942..)
Tumse Milke (Parinda)
=========================================
4/4
Basic simple rhythm, where you count / 1 2 3 4 / 1 2 3 4 / .....
Songs
(slow) Jab Koi Baat Bigad Jaaye
(slow) Yeh Shaam Mastani
(slow) Sama Hai Suhana
(slow) Dhoom Macha De
(fast) Ek Hasina Thhi (Karz)
(fast) Koi Kahe Kehta Rahe
=========================================
2/4
-now this beat is generally associated to the marching sound that goes
bom-bap bom-bap bom-bap bom-bap
1.....2....1.....2.....1.....2....1.....2
Also termed as indian rock 'n roll
Songs
Example songs like
Mera Naam Chin Chin Chhoo
Ina Mina Dika
Khambe Jaisi Khadi Hai
Hai Apna Dil To Awara
Main Hoon Jhumroo
=========================================
6/8
This in Hindi Songs is all the GOA kind of songs created by R. D> Burman and Bappi Lahiri, Of
course Shanker Jaikishan and the older dudes also used this beat very often
Songs
Bach Ke Rehna Re Baba (Pukaar)
Jahan Teri Yeh Nazar Hai (Kaalia)
Bombay Se Aaaya Mera Dost (Aap ke Khatir)
old - Ramayya Vasta Vaiiyya
old - Dil Ka Haal Sune Dilwala
old - Govinda Aala Re
Mach Gaya Shor
=========================================
12/8

The basic BLUES rhythm structure


Songs
Pukarta Chala Hoom Mai
Inteha Ho Gayi
Ik Ladki Bheeghi Bhaagi Si
Nasha Yeh Pyar Ka Nasha Hai (Mann - aamir khan)
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7/8
the 7/8 beat in indian classical and in western differs in style.
Indian classical counts 1231234
Westerners count 1234123
Because of which the beat FEEL changes drastically
Indian songs:
Tere Mere Milan Ki Yeh Raina
Teri Bindiya Re
Megha Chhaye Aadhi Raat (the song parts are in 7/8 and music is 4/4)
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5/8
The most complicated among the ones mentioned here
count 12123
Very few songs in Hindi use the 5/8 pattern
Songs
Aansoo Bhare Hain - Old Mukesh Song
Allah Tero Naam
Aankhon Mein Kya
- From Khamoshi with Salman Khan)
- Jatin Lalit have made Kumar Sanu sing a very tough song indeed
The song is in 5/8 and the music in one part changes to WALTZ
Listen to it!!!!!
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Apart from this there are extremely complicated time measures
If you listen to the private album DIL PADOSI HAI
by Asha Bhosle, RD BURMAN, and GULZAR
there is a song called Jhhootthe Tere Nain
its in SAADE TERAH MAATRA
13.5/8 :shock:
YOU JUST WONT BE ABLE TO COUNT!!!
I bet on 25 ATTEMPTS!!!!!
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Bandbaaja
WHEW I HOPE THAT EXPLAINS THINGS A BIT

01-20-2005, 03:57 PM

Bandbaaja
01-20-2005, 04:10 PM
To get you started, the "time signature" represents two numbers x/y which can be deciphered like
this: The upper number (x) represents the number of beats in one bar. The lower number tells you
how many beats constitute one wholenote duration. Thus 4/4 means there are four notes per bar

(count 1 (loudly) 2 3 4 1(loudly) 2 3 4) and 4 such beats form one wholenote (i.e. each beat is
1/4th the duration of a whole note). The duration of a whole note is decided by the tempo at which
you play.
Disclaimer: Based on my limited knowledge, hope this is correct.
YOU ARE RIGHT
but for a beginner, to try to make this thing appear crystal clear takes some time. And you need
SOUND and PICTURE along with text to explain this - I THINK.
SINCE WE ARE NOT PRO TEACHERS HERE
tejas

01-20-2005, 04:51 PM
@mathai - 6/8 is faster than 3/4. 6/8 is 6 eighth notes per measure. While 3/4 is 3 quarter notes
per measure. Its like....in 6/4 u play two notes in the time, u play one note in 3/4. So, its faster. It
is confusing i know, but thats the best i can explain.
mathai

01-20-2005, 05:30 PM

@tejas thanks man ,but still when i hear one song in 6/8 i go like this :think:
@bandbaaja thanks for those song examples man....
and songs in 12/8 and 13.5/8 :shock: :nw:
when will i learn all these :o:
Bandbaaja

01-20-2005, 06:17 PM

12/8 is simple
check the songs, its a basic blues swing groove
the new song by asha bhosle, huzoor -e -aala from the film Page 3
is similar
jusmail
02-10-2005, 08:38 AM
The song that tricks me is Khabi to nazar by Adnam, I think it is. The first chorus is easy. But I am
not able to conclusively count the Stanza i.e. the part after the background music. How to count
that part guys?
Liquid
Sign: [/ C / Am / F / G /] - (2)
Cross: / C / C / Am / Am / F / F / G / G7 /

02-24-2005, 11:43 PM

whats the difference between sign and cross?...what do they really mean?
Bandbaaja

02-25-2005, 04:58 PM

Sign: [/ C / Am / F / G /] - (2)
Cross: / C / C / Am / Am / F / F / G / G7 /
whats the difference between sign and cross?...what do they really mean?
A song can be divided into parts for better understanding.
Here you need to know that all the parts mentioned below might not be applicable to all songs.
For instance a lot of songs first start with an ALAAP or ADLIB, which means the very beginning of a
song which need not be in any fixed time signature, it depends on how the singer wishes to stretch
it.
Papa Kehte Hain does not have an adlib as such (except the speech he gives up front) Typical simple
adlibs are like the La Lala lala la laaaa in Mere Angne Mein sung by amitabh. Example of an adlib is
the way Kishore Kumar stars Neele Neele Amber in a slow manner.

Then there is the Overture or the Intro music piece, Example of an overture is the start on guitar
and drums of Aaja Aaja or Churaliya or Chand Mera Dil.
The MUKHDA or the SIGN means the first section of the song by which the song is identified. In our
case the lines Papa Kehte Hain Bada Naam Karega, Beta Hamara Aisa Kaam Karega is the Sign.
The CROSS (I dunno what this is called in Hindi) is generally part of the Mukhda/Sign but variates
from the tune, and generally its a part that can reappear in the song as a separate part without
being part of the mukhda. In our case the lines Magar Yeh To, Koi Na Jaane, Ke Meri Manzil Hain
Kahan is the CROSS.
Then there is the INTERLUDE (again I dunno what you call this in hindi but we musicians refer to it
as M1 and M2 and M3 in the sequence it appears in the song). The interludes are pieces of music
that appear in between the paragraphs of vocal lines.
The STANZA or ANTRA are the paragraphs that follow the Mukhda after an interlude. In our case the
lines are Baitthe Hai Milke, Sab Yaar Apne, Sabke Dilon Mein, Arman Yeh Hai.........till the sign tune
reappears.
Then there is the UNDERTURE or Exit music if at all
I guess that explains it?
Liquid

02-26-2005, 01:58 AM

wow...that actually is an amazing post....really wonderful...


u explained it greatly man...thanks :D...
man i had posted a question in the guitar strumming post...i would really appreciate it if u could
answer it....its pretty simple and it will only take like 2 mins...u would really appreciate it...thanks
theguitaristofm

03-01-2005, 08:45 PM

wooooooooooow what a post bb


well all who liked it should give him good reps i think..............
Bandbaaja
thank you thank you

03-01-2005, 10:43 PM

Liquid
ur welcome ur welcome :D

03-02-2005, 04:54 AM

nadish
So wats 2/4 and so on... and wat is bar

03-07-2005, 03:12 AM

Liquid
2 beats...each quarter note gets 1 beat..

03-07-2005, 03:26 AM

im not sure how to explain bar...:S...


( im right with the first thing right? )
deathdr_87
05-24-2005, 07:24 PM

1.....2........3........ uh... wat comes next?


@tejas - i dont think its got to do nething with the speed - i tihnk its got more to do with the
splitting of notes in the beat - u cant split up 6/8 to form a 3/4.. hence thweyre different... (i think i might be wrong...)
SHARU129

05-30-2005, 02:00 PM
sirs i dont know much bout guitar but im not understandin anythin i know only a few chords that i
learnt some how can anyoone plzz teach me u from the beginnin
sandra
05-30-2005, 04:23 PM
HI
i have learnt guitar for a period of 8 mnths but after that there have been a gap of 1.5 yrs so i have
forgot the exact tab count like 1,2 3,4 ........so if u can help me out with details of that my practice
will get a boost . thankypu hope you will surely help me out.........
sambitsatpathy

08-15-2005, 10:33 PM
awesome post BB.... you guys here are my music teachers for indian music. i have read about
measures, notations and all stff but in gospel or english music which somehow I can't relate to
much.
Having spent 25 out of my 29 yrs in India, it is hindi music and our heroes with guitars in hand who
fueled this mood to pick up the guitar. :p:
worst part is am unable to find somebody here who can teach about some indian music forms.
scales.
it is for people like you,muktimusic,jay .... i am getting a feeling of indian music for guitar. thank
god IGT exists man.
awful post.
wishing you all (including our paki members here) happy independence day celebrations.
regds
sambit
:rule:
Bandbaaja
awful post BB.... awful post.
regds
sambit

08-17-2005, 12:44 PM

:rule:
uhhh
Awful????
sambitsatpathy
band baaja bhai....

08-18-2005, 02:52 AM

ustad muaaf kar do... awesome likhne ja raha tha...pat nahin sala kya soch raha tha.. aw ko ful kar
diya... maaf kiya ki nahin likhna
:nw:
aap ka homepage dekha...sahi hai...but e-mail id bounce kar raha hai...a good page...created by a
professional...and good content....
next time when i'll be in mumbai will invite you for a beer party....it will be on me....

:beer:
hope we can squeeze out some common time....
Bandbaaja
:) cheers to that

10-27-2005, 12:06 PM

:beer:
darvaish
11-01-2005, 12:40 PM
Just LeAve this topic is there any one who breif me the lang of guitar in 2/3--8-----3
in this mode i really want to know this language help me !!!!!!!!!
prakash_krin

02-16-2006, 03:59 PM

Bandbaaja bhai very nice and informative thread


mr singh

02-16-2006, 09:19 PM
@ Bandbaaja: gr8 post, very helpful 4 the newcomers...
but according to ur statistics arnt 75.34% of ur posts accurate and 75.33% of statistics made up,
does ur intial claim fall under the second category..
also jus wanted to ask wht significance level u hav represented ur results at? is it the 5%
significance level?
neway once agen, well dun on an informative and important post
abhi_23july
If anyone wanna know abt the time signature....then its here..

11-24-2006, 07:18 PM

Timing of rythms can be represented by two numbers x/y which can be enunciated like this: The
upper number (x) represents the number of strokes on any string and the lower number y tells what
is the time interval between consecutive strokes.....
e.g. 4/4 timing means 1 stroke in played in 1 second....in total 4 strokes in 4 seconds.....
similarlly.. 2/4 timing menas 2 strokes played in 1 second...
3/4 timing menas 3 strokes played in 1 second...
just try counting according to the sec needle of ur watch & u can track it easily how it works....
sec...... 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4
stroke...A D A A D A A D A A D A
hope it will help u....
voyager_avi

02-09-2007, 05:44 PM
A song can be divided into parts for better understanding.
Here you need to know that all the parts mentioned below might not be applicable to all songs.
For instance a lot of songs first start with an ALAAP or ADLIB, which means the very beginning of a
song which need not be in any fixed time signature, it depends on how the singer wishes to stretch
it.
Papa Kehte Hain does not have an adlib as such (except the speech he gives up front) Typical simple
adlibs are like the La Lala lala la laaaa in Mere Angne Mein sung by amitabh. Example of an adlib is
the way Kishore Kumar stars Neele Neele Amber in a slow manner.
Then there is the Overture or the Intro music piece, Example of an overture is the start on guitar
and drums of Aaja Aaja or Churaliya or Chand Mera Dil.
The MUKHDA or the SIGN means the first section of the song by which the song is identified. In our

case the lines Papa Kehte Hain Bada Naam Karega, Beta Hamara Aisa Kaam Karega is the Sign.
The CROSS (I dunno what this is called in Hindi) is generally part of the Mukhda/Sign but variates
from the tune, and generally its a part that can reappear in the song as a separate part without
being part of the mukhda. In our case the lines Magar Yeh To, Koi Na Jaane, Ke Meri Manzil Hain
Kahan is the CROSS.
Then there is the INTERLUDE (again I dunno what you call this in hindi but we musicians refer to it
as M1 and M2 and M3 in the sequence it appears in the song). The interludes are pieces of music
that appear in between the paragraphs of vocal lines.
The STANZA or ANTRA are the paragraphs that follow the Mukhda after an interlude. In our case the
lines are Baitthe Hai Milke, Sab Yaar Apne, Sabke Dilon Mein, Arman Yeh Hai.........till the sign tune
reappears.
Then there is the UNDERTURE or Exit music if at all
I guess that explains it?
Reps for u man.. it's awesome